[...] Throwing out 2m arbitrarily as a tile edge, we'd be at 100m^2 for the floor space and 1536 m between villages, which I'm more or less comfortable with [...]
[...]I think for the purposes of the minecarts it turned out to be 2m x 2m x 3m [...]Therefore, if we assume that a tile is two meters across, as he said, then the results are:
Toady has specified how big a tile is? And Im certainly not trying to discredit you, Im just unsure how you had gotten the figures you presented.The link with the quote was broken, sorry. Should be fixed now, though the date is still messed up. I remember him stating it more recently, too, though I couldn't find where... It was in relation to minecarts, and he used 2x2x3 as a tile size. I'm still looking for that quote, and I'll update the OP when I find it. At the place quoted, he did call it an arbitrary measurement, though, which is why I'm looking for the second quote.
The 1/8 of a planet comes from the desire for a diverse set of biomes, and the UK statements come from the tile size of the world (197376x197376). If you throw out a, say, 2 meter side to a tile (no need to start the tile size discussion again...), then you arrive at 155,829 km^2. The island of Great Britain is 209,331-215,595 km^2 according to different parts of wikipedia. The quest for a more representative island can begin at this time. South Island, New Zealand is looking pretty good. We can go all LotR movies there. That assumes the 4m^2 tile size of course, which is arbitrary. My calculations, are, as usual, suspect, so don't hold me to them.This statement of his confirms my mathematics, as 155,829 km^2 = 394.75km x 394.75km, which is what I gave as the max world size.
All sounds good to me, and it feels subjectively correct just wandering around as an adventurer as it tales only a few days to get anywhere.
What seems in question to me is not the dimensions of a tile but the nomenclature; region or world. DF uses both these words to describe the land, and most people use world out of habit from world-gen. But to me it seems like each land clearly is just a region of a larger world, hence the random and single pole, which is a nice way of sidestepping incredibly small maps being rocks housing an atmosphere and life.
Excellent! Thank you.
The first link is incorrect, as Darklord92 included both world tiles and region tiles as separate, while the world map is actually just a zoomed-out region map, making his calculations 16x too far. The rest of the science is impressive, though it's (in my opinion) largely incorrect as well.
The second link is great, and also includes an awesome link to one of Toady's posts:The 1/8 of a planet comes from the desire for a diverse set of biomes, and the UK statements come from the tile size of the world (197376x197376). If you throw out a, say, side to a tile (no need to start the tile size discussion again...), then you arrive at 155,829 km^2. The island of Great Britain is 209,331-215,595 km^2 according to different parts of wikipedia. The quest for a more representative island can begin at this time. South Island, New Zealand is looking pretty good. We can go all LotR movies there. That assumes the 4m^2 tile size of course, which is arbitrary. My calculations, are, as usual, suspect, so don't hold me to them.This statement of his confirms my mathematics, as 155,829 km^2 = 394.75km x 394.75km, which is what I gave as the max world size.
Excellent! Thank you.
The first link is incorrect, as Darklord92 included both world tiles and region tiles as separate, while the world map is actually just a zoomed-out region map, making his calculations 16x too far. The rest of the science is impressive, though it's (in my opinion) largely incorrect as well.
The second link is great, and also includes an awesome link to one of Toady's posts:The 1/8 of a planet comes from the desire for a diverse set of biomes, and the UK statements come from the tile size of the world (197376x197376). If you throw out a, say, 2 meter side to a tile (no need to start the tile size discussion again...), then you arrive at 155,829 km^2. The island of Great Britain is 209,331-215,595 km^2 according to different parts of wikipedia. The quest for a more representative island can begin at this time. South Island, New Zealand is looking pretty good. We can go all LotR movies there. That assumes the 4m^2 tile size of course, which is arbitrary. My calculations, are, as usual, suspect, so don't hold me to them.This statement of his confirms my mathematics, as 155,829 km^2 = 394.75km x 394.75km, which is what I gave as the max world size.
First off, I apologize if I offended you. I wasn't intending what I said as an attack.
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Nevermind, I see what you did now. You took the world size and split it into two parts. However, as the "region" map can shift around, and is essentially a viewscreen, it doesn't need to be included in the calculations. Instead of 48x16x16x16, it should be 48x16x257, as the large world size is actually one tile larger than 256, or 16x16. This means your calculations are only off by 302,579,712, which is only a fraction of your thirty-eight billion (about 1/128, really, so you were less than 1% off).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
However, as Toady has set the tile size as 2x2x3 meters (l,w,h), or approximately 6.56x6.56x9.84 feet, the rest of your calculations are off by a bit (off by about 3.56x3.56x2.84 ft). Your math is flawless, though, it's just your data that's incorrect. But... that wasn't what I was finding issue with. With what I was finding issue with, you were largely right. I made a mistake, and I apologize.
oh bah i'm far from offended. theories are theories they are by definition disprovable, and by that improvable. For instance i was not sure that the world map had 257 tiles instead of 256. hmmm as for the actual size of the tiles it's easy to change the values.
With this data in mind, I'm wondering how tall the average DF mountain is in meters and whether that makes the world have even weirder proportions.