Let's get democrazy on those commie bastards. Wildly nationalistic and democratic freedom fighters, we shall be!I can see nationalistic happening, but to be honest a traditional american democracy probably isn't going to happen at this point.
Even after a brief look into HOI, I still have no fucking clue how this thing works, so I'm just ptw and maybe I'll say something useful later.Eh, it's not that complicated. I'm no expert at this game myself, but I'll just basically be asking for your guys opinion when a major decisions comes around, you don't really need knowledge of the game mechanics to know what choice does what.
It is time we prepare for a bright future, I think. A future...where every man's a king.
Well, technically that's one of America First Union's motto's...It is time we prepare for a bright future, I think. A future...where every man's a king.
That isn't the American way you Commie!
Also he right you dirty Commie!It is time we prepare for a bright future, I think. A future...where every man's a king.
That isn't the American way you Commie!
If possible, I'd like to propose a Policy of Full on Weapons research, so as to allow American soldiers to Fight better, Defend Longer, and to Provide an edge against future enemies, or to be used as a bargaining chip, selling the weapons to allies such as Resistance groups in France, or in other Countries subjugated by the Kaiser's forces.Kaiser...but he not a Commie :-\
If possible, I'd like to propose a Policy of Full on Weapons research, so as to allow American soldiers to Fight better, Defend Longer, and to Provide an edge against future enemies, or to be used as a bargaining chip, selling the weapons to allies such as Resistance groups in France, or in other Countries subjugated by the Kaiser's forces.Don't worry, I'm researching as many infantry and armor related research as I can since America is somewhat behind when it comes to a few areas, primarily tank related research. I'll probably put some focus on a few naval techs, although my overall focus throughout the game will be infantry. I might also get another update in tonight, it's not like I have anything better to do.
Hm... wouldn't it be Syndie, not Commie?It is time we prepare for a bright future, I think. A future...where every man's a king.
That isn't the American way you Commie!
There still USSR though or no?Hm... wouldn't it be Syndie, not Commie?It is time we prepare for a bright future, I think. A future...where every man's a king.
That isn't the American way you Commie!
No, Russia is pretty much an Autocratic nation. There is an event chain for a later Russian Revolution, although I've never seen the USSR survive long before being engulfed back into russia. Practically all of eastern european is heavily imperialistic, and it would be very hard for a communist uprising to succeed.There still USSR though or no?Hm... wouldn't it be Syndie, not Commie?It is time we prepare for a bright future, I think. A future...where every man's a king.
That isn't the American way you Commie!
Then become allies with him!If possible, I'd like to propose a Policy of Full on Weapons research, so as to allow American soldiers to Fight better, Defend Longer, and to Provide an edge against future enemies, or to be used as a bargaining chip, selling the weapons to allies such as Resistance groups in France, or in other Countries subjugated by the Kaiser's forces.Kaiser...but he not a Commie :-\
There not nazi ether so I'm ok with that. Since they won there would be no reason for Hitler to rise to power.Then become allies with him!If possible, I'd like to propose a Policy of Full on Weapons research, so as to allow American soldiers to Fight better, Defend Longer, and to Provide an edge against future enemies, or to be used as a bargaining chip, selling the weapons to allies such as Resistance groups in France, or in other Countries subjugated by the Kaiser's forces.Kaiser...but he not a Commie :-\
May I ask, do you have a list of all the possible countries and so forth in this game? I am curious, but I am concerned that it will have a more narrow scope than hearts of iron III or something, a bit like napoleon focussing in on one conflict (in this case a number) rather than a big, sprawling campaign. For instance, can you still play micropowers like Liberia during the second world war?Darkest Hours is basically a large-scale modification of Hearts of Iron 2, vastly improving it. You can play as practically any country in that general time-period, including micro-powers. It pretty much has the same scope as Hearts of Iron III, just a few different mechanics and whatnot.
May I ask, do you have a list of all the possible countries and so forth in this game? I am curious, but I am concerned that it will have a more narrow scope than hearts of iron III or something, a bit like napoleon focussing in on one conflict (in this case a number) rather than a big, sprawling campaign. For instance, can you still play micropowers like Liberia during the second world war?Darkest Hours is basically a large-scale modification of Hearts of Iron 2, vastly improving it. You can play as practically any country in that general time-period, including micro-powers. It pretty much has the same scope as Hearts of Iron III, just a few different mechanics and whatnot.
There not nazi ether so I'm ok with that. Since they won there would be no reason for Hitler to rise to power.Then become allies with him!If possible, I'd like to propose a Policy of Full on Weapons research, so as to allow American soldiers to Fight better, Defend Longer, and to Provide an edge against future enemies, or to be used as a bargaining chip, selling the weapons to allies such as Resistance groups in France, or in other Countries subjugated by the Kaiser's forces.Kaiser...but he not a Commie :-\
Yup, pretty much all of the countries existing during the Great War are playable. Although the mod I'm playing doesn't start at the Great War, but a few years after it. The vanilla game has a Great War scenario starting at 1914 and playable to somewhere in the early 50's I believe.May I ask, do you have a list of all the possible countries and so forth in this game? I am curious, but I am concerned that it will have a more narrow scope than hearts of iron III or something, a bit like napoleon focussing in on one conflict (in this case a number) rather than a big, sprawling campaign. For instance, can you still play micropowers like Liberia during the second world war?Darkest Hours is basically a large-scale modification of Hearts of Iron 2, vastly improving it. You can play as practically any country in that general time-period, including micro-powers. It pretty much has the same scope as Hearts of Iron III, just a few different mechanics and whatnot.
Fantastic. So wait, there are also different countries and micropowers for the great war period?
Yup, pretty much all of the countries existing during the Great War are playable. Although the mod I'm playing doesn't start at the Great War, but a few years after it. The vanilla game has a Great War scenario starting at 1914 and playable to somewhere in the early 50's I believe.May I ask, do you have a list of all the possible countries and so forth in this game? I am curious, but I am concerned that it will have a more narrow scope than hearts of iron III or something, a bit like napoleon focussing in on one conflict (in this case a number) rather than a big, sprawling campaign. For instance, can you still play micropowers like Liberia during the second world war?Darkest Hours is basically a large-scale modification of Hearts of Iron 2, vastly improving it. You can play as practically any country in that general time-period, including micro-powers. It pretty much has the same scope as Hearts of Iron III, just a few different mechanics and whatnot.
Fantastic. So wait, there are also different countries and micropowers for the great war period?
The vanilla game has a Great War scenario starting at 1914 and playable to somewhere in the early 50's I believe.Not with the standard ending date, though. You'll have to manually choose the end date settings.
I'm not entirely sure of all of the countries, as I've just recently forayed into Darkest Hour but I believe Georgia is available. I'm not entirely sure about the Transcausasian Republic, but there are a multitude of other nations. Although admittedly most of them would be rather boring, only having a few events and playing a micronation is basically just setting the game on very fast and tabbing out while doing something else for awhile.Yup, pretty much all of the countries existing during the Great War are playable. Although the mod I'm playing doesn't start at the Great War, but a few years after it. The vanilla game has a Great War scenario starting at 1914 and playable to somewhere in the early 50's I believe.May I ask, do you have a list of all the possible countries and so forth in this game? I am curious, but I am concerned that it will have a more narrow scope than hearts of iron III or something, a bit like napoleon focussing in on one conflict (in this case a number) rather than a big, sprawling campaign. For instance, can you still play micropowers like Liberia during the second world war?Darkest Hours is basically a large-scale modification of Hearts of Iron 2, vastly improving it. You can play as practically any country in that general time-period, including micro-powers. It pretty much has the same scope as Hearts of Iron III, just a few different mechanics and whatnot.
Fantastic. So wait, there are also different countries and micropowers for the great war period?
So does that mean I could go, say, post-WW1 Georgia? Or the Transcausasian Republic and such?
I've just recently forayed into Darkest Hour
I'm not entirely sure of all of the countries, as I've just recently forayed into Darkest Hour but I believe Georgia is available. I'm not entirely sure about the Transcausasian Republic, but there are a multitude of other nations. Although admittedly most of them would be rather boring, only having a few events and playing a micronation is basically just setting the game on very fast and tabbing out while doing something else for awhile.Unless you play Serbia or some other soon-to-be-boned minor.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?535541-Where-to-buy-Darkest-HourI've just recently forayed into Darkest Hour
By the way, where can you get this game?
What is the hardest nation in the game to play, would you say? Including the micronations and so forth.Eh, pretty much any micro-nation in Africa or Asia. But again, it's hard but it's mainly just boring as hell. You won't be able to do much or expand until you're awhile into the game, and most of your time will be spent just waiting.
Would you recommend getting Darkest Hour over Hearts of Iron 3?Depends, Darkest Hour is essentially a very polished version of HOI2. Very few bugs due to the constant community involvement, and plenty of good mods. Hearts of Iron 3 is a bit more complicated, mainly based on military action, and adds a few cool mechanics. It has a hell of a lot less mods though, since when Paradox made the game they practically made it very difficult mod it. Also, just a side note. If you haven't played a grand strategy game, I advise you don't start with either of these. A good starting point for grand strategy is Europa Universalis 3, it'll introduce you to the base mechanics of grand strategy without overwhelming you.
Still overwhelming tbh I like to watch lets play but the games are out of my league like with aurora.Would you recommend getting Darkest Hour over Hearts of Iron 3?Depends, Darkest Hour is essentially a very polished version of HOI2. Very few bugs due to the constant community involvement, and plenty of good mods. Hearts of Iron 3 is a bit more complicated, mainly based on military action, and adds a few cool mechanics. It has a hell of a lot less mods though, since when Paradox made the game they practically made it very difficult mod it. Also, just a side note. If you haven't played a grand strategy game, I advise you don't start with either of these. A good starting point for grand strategy is Europa Universalis 3, it'll introduce you to the base mechanics of grand strategy without overwhelming you.
Man, I was thinking of starting my own Kaiserreich lp after I unknowingly updated and screwed up my save for the France lp (oops)... Perhaps I will after finals are over with.I 2nd this
Ohh, and fuck democracy, go National Populist in the:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm no expert on Kaiserreich, so two questions for some experts:Basically, when the civil war event fires off there will be four nations involved in the war. None of them will be democratic in the traditional sense, and you cannot really retain an original american democracy from the start. Being democratic doesn't really factor into what enemies you have, it'll largely be whether or not you're syndicalist. Basically if you're more authoritarian you'll be more liked by nations with similar ideologies, same with being Syndicalist.
Does the mod compensate if you choose one of the two non-democratic factions by creating a democracy-aligned faction?
Do you get less external enemies if you choose to not be democratic?
Basically, when the civil war event fires off there will be four nations involved in the war. None of them will be democratic in the traditional sense, and you cannot really retain an original american democracy from the start. Being democratic doesn't really factor into what enemies you have, it'll largely be whether or not you're syndicalist. Basically if you're more authoritarian you'll be more liked by nations with similar ideologies, same with being Syndicalist.So, which way leads to the most conflict after the civil war?
Well, I have yet to play all sides but the Combined Syndicates of America has a lot of conflict. Canada will usually secure a good amount of U.S. land (They don't declare war on the rebels, just the U.S.) and will usually grab New England from the U.S. and a good portion of the midwestern U.S. So if you're not careful, Canada will release New England and the United States as a puppet government and you'll be dealing with a three front war against Canada.Basically, when the civil war event fires off there will be four nations involved in the war. None of them will be democratic in the traditional sense, and you cannot really retain an original american democracy from the start. Being democratic doesn't really factor into what enemies you have, it'll largely be whether or not you're syndicalist. Basically if you're more authoritarian you'll be more liked by nations with similar ideologies, same with being Syndicalist.So, which way leads to the most conflict after the civil war?
If you happen to win against Canada & co as the CSA, does anyone else try to kill you afterwards?I haven't gotten that far with the CSA honestly, but basically let's assume you take over Canada as well as the rest of the United States. Chances are Mexico and most of South America will by syndicalist. From there, you can be a very powerful asset to the Commune of France and the Union of Britain in their war against Germany and their allies.
Wouldn't going to war with Canada bring the rest of the Entente in?If you happen to win against Canada & co as the CSA, does anyone else try to kill you afterwards?I haven't gotten that far with the CSA honestly, but basically let's assume you take over Canada as well as the rest of the United States. Chances are Mexico and most of South America will by syndicalist. From there, you can be a very powerful asset to the Commune of France and the Union of Britain in their war against Germany and their allies.
Yes, but most of Canada's allies are former colonial holdings that are either halfway across the world or pretty weak. The most they'd contribute are a few naval ships really, MAYBE a division or two of infantry.Wouldn't going to war with Canada bring the rest of the Entente in?If you happen to win against Canada & co as the CSA, does anyone else try to kill you afterwards?I haven't gotten that far with the CSA honestly, but basically let's assume you take over Canada as well as the rest of the United States. Chances are Mexico and most of South America will by syndicalist. From there, you can be a very powerful asset to the Commune of France and the Union of Britain in their war against Germany and their allies.
So what are the sides?Syndicalist Internationale: Commune of France, Union of Britain, Italian Socialist Republic. Enemies with Mittle Europa.
I've never played as America (ever in a HOI game :o ), but I don't think Canada declares war on the US during the civil (in pretty much all cases I've seen), they just take New England and/or Alaska sometimes. Mexico will occasionally attack the Pacific States and the other rebels (I've seen them take over basically everything of worth west of Louisiana, including Alaska).Canada does usually take New England and Alaska, but occasionally I've seen them try to make a mad dash through the top-center of the U.S. and end up with pretty weird borders.
It's actually an event. The player of the "traditional" United States can either chose to confront Canada about the annexation of New England and Alaska and declare war, or give up New England and Alaska without a fight, in which case Canada tends to be an ally of the United States and war is averted.I've never played as America (ever in a HOI game :o ), but I don't think Canada declares war on the US during the civil (in pretty much all cases I've seen), they just take New England and/or Alaska sometimes. Mexico will occasionally attack the Pacific States and the other rebels (I've seen them take over basically everything of worth west of Louisiana, including Alaska).Canada does usually take New England and Alaska, but occasionally I've seen them try to make a mad dash through the top-center of the U.S. and end up with pretty weird borders.
Funny thing is, when the world goes south, Japan will be the only bastion of democracy in the game if they choose the right events.
In case it wasn't obvious, America First United are the Nazis. So I generally don't play as them. If somebody could explain to me how they aren't the Nazis, I'd be glad to hear it.Well, they aren't exactly Nazis. They're a reactionary group of culturally right-wing populists, which is not exactly akin to the Nazis and their radical ideal of a future world where everyone is a Nazi or dead. Same ballpark, but not the exact same.
Funny thing is, when the world goes south, Japan will be the only bastion of democracy in the game if they choose the right events.
In case it wasn't obvious, America First United are the Nazis. So I generally don't play as them. If somebody could explain to me how they aren't the Nazis, I'd be glad to hear it.Well, they aren't exactly Nazis. They're a reactionary group of culturally right-wing populists, which is not exactly akin to the Nazis and their radical ideal of a future world where everyone is a Nazi or dead. Same ballpark, but not the exact same.
Plus, Huey Long is leading them. I don't know quite enough about Kaiserreich Long, but the historical Long was one of the few people to ever pull off being an enlightened dictator in a democracy. I certainly see the potential for that to be twisted into a Hitler-esq situation, though.
Anyway, at the end of the day nobody ever plays as the American Union State, so that's why I think we should switch to them when the time comes. The only major American faction that gets less playtime is the PSA.
I plan on going more in depth explaining the various alliances in a later update when it becomes relevant to our situation.It would be appropriate right about now, since we can't go picking a side which will be too easy for you in the future.
Garner. Let's get democrazy on those commie bastards, I said!
Anyway, let's go democrats. As in democracy, not as in the party.Pretty sure Bd said that you can't keep democracy no matter what. Correct me if I am wrong.
I vote for either the AUS or the PSA. Or Hawaii. But Hawaii might get beat down by Japan if they go that route.I second this we can't make it easy for him.
what happens when you start to get into Ahistorical people? actually can you get people who never existed?Not really, I don't really get what you mean by "Ahistorical people" do you mean people that are not like they were in history?
Not really, but there are plenty of people who have....very extreme changes due to the timeline. Let's just say that Mongolia is a very interesting game.I like the Princely Federation more.
Syndicalist infiltrator swine!Hey, they won the election. What legitimacy does your candidate have? :P
I support democracy, and it's duly-elected representative. So, that sadly means I support the Syndies.Democracy AND Syndicalism? That's a rather optimistic view you have there.
Well, there was the part where an entire section of the nation decided to follow him once your Marx-lover got in office through thuggery and false promise, only to be ousted by the only member of the military with his head half-way on straight.Syndicalist infiltrator swine!Hey, they won the election. What legitimacy does your candidate have? :P
I support democracy, and it's duly-elected representative. So, that sadly means I support the Syndies.But what about freedom?
True, free elections don't generally involve people assaulting opposing voters. And that's why Cascadia will reign supreme: I heard nothing of voter fraud. Freedom is all you need, right?I support democracy, and it's duly-elected representative. So, that sadly means I support the Syndies.But what about freedom?
Well, we haven't heard much about the rest of the world, but on the other hand there might not be anything going on. If anything interesting does happen in Elsewhere, tell us.Yeah, I'll get on that. I've sort of not been paying a whole lot of attention, since I seem to be assuming for some reason that most of you understand what's going on. I'll see if I can give a general overview of the other alliances in the next update.
I need you to explain "Cascadia" to me before I can make fun of it. :PTrue, free elections don't generally involve people assaulting opposing voters. And that's why Cascadia will reign supreme: I heard nothing of voter fraud. Freedom is all you need, right?I support democracy, and it's duly-elected representative. So, that sadly means I support the Syndies.But what about freedom?
You're doing fine.Cascadia is a somewhat unpopular independence movement which would see to splitting up parts of british columbia, along oregon and washington into its own nation.I need you to explain "Cascadia" to me before I can make fun of it. :PTrue, free elections don't generally involve people assaulting opposing voters. And that's why Cascadia will reign supreme: I heard nothing of voter fraud. Freedom is all you need, right?I support democracy, and it's duly-elected representative. So, that sadly means I support the Syndies.But what about freedom?
While I don't support the minor bullying of the Syndies, the Unionists did the exact same thing, and Macy is launching a military dictatorship.
And in the actual history of the US, a president did in fact take over the steel industry. It was found unconstitutional, but he did it, and remained in office afterwards. So I'm willing to give Reed a chance.
And yes, I'm optimistic. Still, I might join the Pacifica once they form up (I haven't heard their reason for existing yet).
In that case, if the US is going to split up, Canada might as well follow suit. :PYou're doing fine.Cascadia is a somewhat unpopular independence movement which would see to splitting up parts of british columbia, along oregon and washington into its own nation.I need you to explain "Cascadia" to me before I can make fun of it. :PTrue, free elections don't generally involve people assaulting opposing voters. And that's why Cascadia will reign supreme: I heard nothing of voter fraud. Freedom is all you need, right?I support democracy, and it's duly-elected representative. So, that sadly means I support the Syndies.But what about freedom?
While I don't support the minor bullying of the Syndies, the Unionists did the exact same thing, and Macy is launching a military dictatorship.
And in the actual history of the US, a president did in fact take over the steel industry. It was found unconstitutional, but he did it, and remained in office afterwards. So I'm willing to give Reed a chance.
And yes, I'm optimistic. Still, I might join the Pacifica once they form up (I haven't heard their reason for existing yet).
I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.
Unfortunately for them, however, we have the Cascades in the way, and the Rockies if we can claim them in time. So they're gonna have to attack us in the mountains if they want to show their disappointment.I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.
Apart from that ti's pretty cool. Did the pics come from the game, or did you drudge the interweb for them?I look for the pictures, I tend not to get pictures that fit what the paragraph exactly but then again I don't imagine there's a whole lot of pictures of Syndicalist American Militia's.
Unfortunately for them, however, we have the Cascades in the way, and the Rockies if we can claim them in time. So they're gonna have to attack us in the mountains if they want to show their disappointment.I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.
Might only be 46-47 states opposing Cascadia if Texas secedes during all of it.Unfortunately for them, however, we have the Cascades in the way, and the Rockies if we can claim them in time. So they're gonna have to attack us in the mountains if they want to show their disappointment.I've never heard of a Cascadia independence statement that wasn't tongue-in-cheek or a joke, but some have pointed out that Oregon, Washington, California, and parts of B.C. could make a pretty effective and self-sufficient country. (With a pretty big economy, to boot.) Problems coming from the fact that nobody seriously thinks that separating three states from the union is a great idea for anyone involved.As we're about to see, the biggest impediment to such a program is the 47 other states (soon to be 48) that would oppose such a move.
So we would have the strategical advantage. All we need to do is claim them quickly and defend.
I find it a bit horrible that if you join a group of people, they all have to agree to let you go before you can leave it.Being that you complain about the Union at every opportunity, maybe you should watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE).
I've seen the Republic of Texas modded into this scenario, it is a shame it isn't standard.I find it a bit horrible that if you join a group of people, they all have to agree to let you go before you can leave it.Being that you complain about the Union at every opportunity, maybe you should watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S92fTz_-kQE).
Long live the free nations of the world.
Long live the free nations of the world.
To be honest, I'm not even sure what a nation is these days. I hardly view Americans as united around any grand ideas, and certainly not in common heritage. I suppose language is the only real glue. The exact thing that the European Union will never have...