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Title: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.5
Post by: Vherid on January 28, 2013, 08:18:51 pm
Red Dawn Korps 0.0.5 (Originally Vherid Death Korps)
Initial modding has started. First downloadable version will be 0.1.0 or greater.

I have been thinking of alternative versions of the game for a while. Commies vs Fascists, Fascists vs AMERICA, Crips vs Bloods, etc. I think maybe I thought of a commie invasion situation a while ago, but either way, you could say http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122749.0 sparked the idea to actually do it. So this is going to be a "Freedom Fighters" type of mod clearly. This still matches up with the 80/90s world in conflict, red alert, etc etc. I think what can easily make this work out nicely too is even for the things like the senate and house, they can stay in place. They will merely be "proxied/puppeted" by the communists and etc to keep the illusion of American consistency. Ill plot more shit out soon.

(http://puu.sh/24Czp)
(http://puu.sh/24CAn)
(http://puu.sh/24CAE)
(http://puu.sh/24CCj)
(http://puu.sh/25DHC)

Spoiler: "The Old Mod" (click to show/hide)

Changelog:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Famma on January 29, 2013, 04:50:05 pm
Will there be any non xml code changes?
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Vherid on January 29, 2013, 10:54:03 pm
Quote from: Famma on January 29, 2013, 04:50:05 pm
Will there be any non xml code changes?

Yeah the previous mod had a few and I had quite a few ideas to make, so yes.
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Jboy2000000 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:29 am
If I may, can I suggest a few weapons?

One weapon I think would be extremely badass is the Fostech Arms ORIGIN-12. It has an 8 round magazine, 30 round drum if want that in the game, its fully automatic, and I just think an automatic shotgun would be an awesome thing to have in the LCS. Theres also the Street Sweeper, but when people google Origin-12 they'll see it and go "DAMN! Thats a badass fucking gun."

Another gun would be the .22 Ruger LCR, I was thinking it would do piss poor damage, but have a good acuracy bonus since its a snub nose.

Theres also an AK Pistol, I can't remember the real name, but its basically a fully automatic pistol that fires ammo like an AK-74U.

I also had the idea for silenced weapons that wouldn't raise the alarm if you killed someone who was alone in one hit.

For melee, I was thinking something like MMA Gloves that does a little more damage than regular fist fighting, but still only counted as assault instead of armed assault.

And brick fists to, they're ghetto brass knuckles with bricks, I was thinking they would do a lot more damage than normal fists, but be suspicious no matter what, because wearing bricks on your fist is, well, supicious.

I also though of more weapons under the throwing skill that did damage to all enemies, like hand grenades or dynamite.

Wow, I had more ideas than I thought, maybe I should be pitching this at Fox instead.
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Vherid on January 31, 2013, 08:50:14 am
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:29 am
If I may, can I suggest a few weapons?

One weapon I think would be extremely badass is the Fostech Arms ORIGIN-12. It has an 8 round magazine, 30 round drum if want that in the game, its fully automatic, and I just think an automatic shotgun would be an awesome thing to have in the LCS. Theres also the Street Sweeper, but when people google Origin-12 they'll see it and go "DAMN! Thats a badass fucking gun."

To me that looks like a Saiga, and I'd rather have a Saiga.

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Another gun would be the .22 Ruger LCR, I was thinking it would do piss poor damage, but have a good acuracy bonus since its a snub nose.

Yeah that was in the previous mod, and will probably be in this one.

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Theres also an AK Pistol, I can't remember the real name, but its basically a fully automatic pistol that fires ammo like an AK-74U.

I unno about that.

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I also had the idea for silenced weapons that wouldn't raise the alarm if you killed someone who was alone in one hit.

Certainly an interesting idea, I unno if I can code something like that yet though. I'll see what I can do when I get to stuff like that, first I'm expanding the items.

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For melee, I was thinking something like MMA Gloves that does a little more damage than regular fist fighting, but still only counted as assault instead of armed assault.

That was actually something I was already going to add too.

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And brick fists to, they're ghetto brass knuckles with bricks, I was thinking they would do a lot more damage than normal fists, but be suspicious no matter what, because wearing bricks on your fist is, well, supicious.

I don't know about that either.

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I also though of more weapons under the throwing skill that did damage to all enemies, like hand grenades or dynamite.

I planned on implementing stuff like this eventually as well.
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: tenmillimaster on January 31, 2013, 11:58:37 am
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I also had the idea for silenced weapons that wouldn't raise the alarm if you killed someone who was alone in one hit.

Suppressors are kind of really loud...
http://www.silencertests.com/tests/5-06-05-5.56mm/556.htm

http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/loudness.html
Most only reduce to about 120-130 decibels, unless you have an exceedingly large can attached, or are making other sacrifices.

Purpose built weapons, such as the welrod and the Delisle carbine, make it all the way down to 73 and 82 db respectively. Still fairly audible.

My point is, suppressors, if implemented, should only make conservatives suspicious.
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Miko19 on January 31, 2013, 04:37:16 pm
The stealthy weapons should be only the melee ones, like cutting off someone's head with a sword etc.
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Hammerstar on January 31, 2013, 06:36:46 pm
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on January 31, 2013, 01:49:29 am

And brick fists to, they're ghetto brass knuckles with bricks, I was thinking they would do a lot more damage than normal fists, but be suspicious no matter what, because wearing bricks on your fist is, well, supicious.
I'll admit, it did make me smile. Actually made me think of playing Timesplitters 3 with Bricks Only turned on.

Funny as hell with four people running around (and possibly ten bots) chucking bricks at each other.
Title: Re: [MOD] Vherid Death Korps 0.0.1
Post by: Bitoru on January 31, 2013, 07:20:51 pm
I approve of this mod.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Vherid on February 14, 2013, 08:16:48 am
This is now Freedom Fighters.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 14, 2013, 08:36:03 am
So, will this is have creature and place name changes, or will it acctually change the game a lot? I was actually looking forward to have new weapons in just LCS.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Vherid on February 14, 2013, 08:39:33 am
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on February 14, 2013, 08:36:03 am
So, will this is have creature and place name changes, or will it acctually change the game a lot? I was actually looking forward to have new weapons in just LCS.

I could have a separate "light" version with just some new weapons and stuff. That stuff is simple enough to manage on it's own.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Fivetime on February 14, 2013, 01:29:47 pm
Sounds quite fun. Atleast I won't have to pretend anymore that the Death Squadrons in Nightmare Mode are really Soviet occupation troops.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: flapjack3 on February 15, 2013, 03:35:53 pm
Wow i actuly started this idea. :D
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Vherid on February 15, 2013, 11:15:14 pm
Quote from: flapjack3 on February 15, 2013, 03:35:53 pm
Wow i actuly started this idea. :D

Its actually a nice idea that will transition smoothly, one that I love, and I wanted to do something more then just add a few things.

(http://i.imgur.com/0hveWbP.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/H62EtTu.png)

Some ideas I wrote out, Ill start typing out shit later, and digging deeper.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: flapjack3 on February 16, 2013, 10:12:33 am
Good.only problem I see is you misspelt NKVD.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Vherid on February 17, 2013, 04:19:39 pm
(http://puu.sh/24bUS)
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Vherid on February 18, 2013, 12:49:02 pm
OP updated with some screens, more progress has been made, and now modding is being made to the code beyond XML.
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: dirkdragonslayer on February 18, 2013, 07:26:40 pm
Quote from: Vherid on February 14, 2013, 08:16:48 am
This is now Freedom Fighters.
Like the old Xbox game where new york is conquered by communists? if so, thank you, thank you so much!
Title: Re: [MOD] Freedom Fighters 0.0.3
Post by: Vherid on February 18, 2013, 07:34:56 pm
Quote from: dirkdragonslayer on February 18, 2013, 07:26:40 pm
Quote from: Vherid on February 14, 2013, 08:16:48 am
This is now Freedom Fighters.
Like the old Xbox game where new york is conquered by communists? if so, thank you, thank you so much!

In a way, yes.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Cheedows on February 18, 2013, 08:48:05 pm
I'm sorry if I'm asking too much, I have no idea how to code.  But is it possible to add in sewer locations as safehouses.  More Freedom Fighters-esque in my opinion.  But  this mod sounds great and I'm looking forward for updates. 
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Vherid on February 18, 2013, 11:28:14 pm
Quote from: Cheedows on February 18, 2013, 08:48:05 pm
I'm sorry if I'm asking too much, I have no idea how to code.  But is it possible to add in sewer locations as safehouses.  More Freedom Fighters-esque in my opinion.  But  this mod sounds great and I'm looking forward for updates.

That's a good idea.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: northborn on February 19, 2013, 01:18:14 am
Out of curiosity will it be possible to play as pro soviet/sympathizer
by the way Love the idea of this mod will be watching
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: SealyStar on February 19, 2013, 09:04:18 am
So what's going on with the issues? Will you be changing them to fit the new dynamic? Because they don't work all that well with "Soviets vs Amurrricans".
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Vherid on February 19, 2013, 12:53:15 pm
Quote from: SealyStar on February 19, 2013, 09:04:18 am
So what's going on with the issues? Will you be changing them to fit the new dynamic? Because they don't work all that well with "Soviets vs Amurrricans".

They're being edited accordingly, so far the ones I've changed work out nicely, there are a few that are kind of oddball like women's rights considering the soviet union actually had pretty decent womens rights in some ways. Others Im sure might be more stalemate but who knows. I think they work pretty well for some of them, its just a matter of making conservative things more soviet, and liberal things more AMERICA
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 19, 2013, 02:00:08 pm
Quote from: Vherid on February 19, 2013, 12:53:15 pm
Quote from: SealyStar on February 19, 2013, 09:04:18 am
So what's going on with the issues? Will you be changing them to fit the new dynamic? Because they don't work all that well with "Soviets vs Amurrricans".

They're being edited accordingly, so far the ones I've changed work out nicely, there are a few that are kind of oddball like women's rights considering the soviet union actually had pretty decent womens rights in some ways. Others Im sure might be more stalemate but who knows. I think they work pretty well for some of them, its just a matter of making conservative things more soviet, and liberal things more AMERICA
Well, maybe you can replace the "Patriot+" options with someone of the Conseritive+ laws, because when I see "patriot" I see "conseritive."
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: KA101 on February 19, 2013, 06:58:08 pm
JBoy2000000's got a point there.  The Conservatives areThe $$ USA Flag Eagle $$ Party after all.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Vherid on February 19, 2013, 09:31:21 pm
Quote from: KA101 on February 19, 2013, 06:58:08 pm
JBoy2000000's got a point there.  The Conservatives areThe $$ USA Flag Eagle $$ Party after all.

So are the Liberals and Libertarians. AMERICA is not a one sided thing.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 19, 2013, 09:48:30 pm
Quote from: Vherid on February 19, 2013, 09:31:21 pm
Quote from: KA101 on February 19, 2013, 06:58:08 pm
JBoy2000000's got a point there.  The Conservatives areThe $$ USA Flag Eagle $$ Party after all.

So are the Liberals and Libertarians. AMERICA is not a one sided thing.
But the way people think of it politically is.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Vherid on February 20, 2013, 12:12:29 am
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on February 19, 2013, 09:48:30 pm
Quote from: Vherid on February 19, 2013, 09:31:21 pm
Quote from: KA101 on February 19, 2013, 06:58:08 pm
JBoy2000000's got a point there.  The Conservatives areThe $$ USA Flag Eagle $$ Party after all.

So are the Liberals and Libertarians. AMERICA is not a one sided thing.
But the way people think of it politically is.

Not necessarily, no.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 20, 2013, 05:33:44 am
Quote from: Vherid on February 20, 2013, 12:12:29 am
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on February 19, 2013, 09:48:30 pm
Quote from: Vherid on February 19, 2013, 09:31:21 pm
Quote from: KA101 on February 19, 2013, 06:58:08 pm
JBoy2000000's got a point there.  The Conservatives areThe $$ USA Flag Eagle $$ Party after all.

So are the Liberals and Libertarians. AMERICA is not a one sided thing.
But the way people think of it politically is.

Not necessarily, no.
But the hardcore people that would be supporting the cause to get America back would probably be the conservatives in the reguler game.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on February 20, 2013, 06:55:28 am
I wouldn't hesitate to just remove issues like Women's Rights if they don't fit. For the rest, just do whatever fits the Patriot/Soviet dynamic, disregarding the whole Liberal/Conservative spectrum. While I agree in principle with Jboy and KA101 that conservatism has much more affinity with the patriot side than liberalism does, you'll get into the weeds if you think too much about that. The core conflict here is Patriots against Soviets. Stick to that and you won't go wrong.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 20, 2013, 07:44:59 am
I just had an idea.

Have any of you ever heard of "Kronolog?"

In the game it is an alternet time line where the Nazis capture the scientist responsable for the Atom Bomb, and in turn win WWII, thus taking control of America. Somewhere down the line, women become no more than things for reproduction. Maybe that could be a Comunist/Patriot option?
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: mainiac on February 20, 2013, 09:19:37 am
I want to see this in 1776.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.4
Post by: Vherid on February 20, 2013, 10:02:23 am
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on February 20, 2013, 05:33:44 am
But the hardcore people that would be supporting the cause to get America back would probably be the conservatives in the reguler game.

I guess, but there are certain things that fit better liberally. Either way I'm not trying to make things either conservative or liberal. Libertarian is actually more true AMERICA. We're not talking about Conservative 'gays and tin foil hats and govt taking my guns and mexicans taking muhjerbs' americans. We're talking about a different type of AMERICA. It's not something I can quite explain or express, it's just something I understand in my head.

Quote from: Jonathan S. Fox on February 20, 2013, 06:55:28 am
I wouldn't hesitate to just remove issues like Women's Rights if they don't fit. For the rest, just do whatever fits the Patriot/Soviet dynamic, disregarding the whole Liberal/Conservative spectrum. While I agree in principle with Jboy and KA101 that conservatism has much more affinity with the patriot side than liberalism does, you'll get into the weeds if you think too much about that. The core conflict here is Patriots against Soviets. Stick to that and you won't go wrong.

Yeah Women's Rights was just too weird in this context, I've now replaced it with Food Rights, IE Buying Food vs. Bread Lines. But yes I'm focusing on Patriot/Soviet dynamic and not really worrying about whether something is Liberal or Conservative at all.

(http://puu.sh/25BwM)

Quote from: Jboy2000000 on February 20, 2013, 07:44:59 am
I just had an idea.

Have any of you ever heard of "Kronolog?"

In the game it is an alternate time line where the Nazis capture the scientist responsible for the Atom Bomb, and in turn win WWII, thus taking control of America. Somewhere down the line, women become no more than things for reproduction. Maybe that could be a Communist/Patriot option?

I'm not looking for weird alternate things like that. That's more a la Red Alert than the whole red dawn / world in conflict idea. With a 80s/90s era soviet union women had a lot of rights that they didn't quite have in other places. They were still discriminated against in terms of they were probably fired first at jobs, and they were deemed to be home makers as well as job holders, but they had pretty big impacts politically considering the time, as well as various other things. America was maybe not quite at that par just yet, it hasn't reached Im going to sue the shit out of everyone time yet, but, both countries hold close enough ideals in the way that women are not useless trash. There's not a big enough spectrum there, "more realistically".

Quote from: mainiac on February 20, 2013, 09:19:37 am
I want to see this in 1776.

That's a pretty funny idea. But that's not something I would do most likely.



EDIT:
(http://puu.sh/25DHC)
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.5
Post by: roushguy on February 20, 2013, 12:12:15 pm
Minor typo help for you, change 'on site' to 'on sight'.
Title: Re: [MOD] Red Dawn Korps 0.0.5
Post by: scrdest on February 20, 2013, 12:42:58 pm
 You know, you could actually make the Women Rights as 'Soviet troops are free to harass American women' on Soviet (sadly, it did happen IRL during the march on Berlin), vs. 'Soviet troops are harshly penalized by their COs for any transgressions against women' on Patriot. It would mirror the Soviet leadership being pressured into making their troops behave to avoid a rebellion.

 Some other things could probably work along those lines.