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Title: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: flapjack3 on February 22, 2013, 03:55:49 pm
i fount a glitch when i was playing when i get a certian amount of money it goes negetive. This glitch makes it hard to be rich. >:(
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 22, 2013, 04:41:35 pm
What? How much money?
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on February 22, 2013, 04:44:43 pm
Quote from: flapjack3 on February 22, 2013, 03:55:49 pm
i fount a glitch when i was playing when i get a certian amount of money it goes negetive. This glitch makes it hard to be rich. >:(

Due to the way numbers are represented internally on computers, almost all games either cap your money or have a bug where it wraps around and goes negative. In LCS, you'd need more than 2 billion dollars to run into this bug.

I know I should be concerned about the fact that this can happen, but I'm honestly more astounded that you reached that point. How did you do that?
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Jboy2000000 on February 22, 2013, 05:06:00 pm
Yeah, you can only make a max amount of 200,000 dollars every month from stealing credit card number. That means you would need to gain the max amont for 10 months, and its hard to do that, plus most would use computers for hacking instead, so I dount you did it that way. Do you have sleeper CEOs stealing money? I believe the give 100,000 every month, so it would be easier,* yet take longer.

*Getting a sleeper CEO is a bitch though.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: flapjack3 on February 22, 2013, 05:50:17 pm
a little bit of ALOT of stuff
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Neonivek on February 22, 2013, 09:59:16 pm
Joke suggestion: Perhaps when you gain the max amount of cash you should win the game where it tells you that you just "Bought" America.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on February 22, 2013, 10:02:42 pm
But the LCS doesn't believe in capitalism!
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Graknorke on February 22, 2013, 10:04:26 pm
Quote from: MetalSlimeHunt on February 22, 2013, 10:02:42 pm
But the LCS doesn't believe in capitalism!
If that's your actual thoughts then I think you might be missing the point of this game.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: mainiac on February 22, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
On <Date> the LCS realized that capitalists may have bought america but liberals could buy it back.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on February 23, 2013, 01:43:21 am
Quote from: Jboy2000000 on February 22, 2013, 05:06:00 pm
Yeah, you can only make a max amount of 200,000 dollars every month from stealing credit card number. That means you would need to gain the max amont for 10 months, and its hard to do that

This bug shouldn't occur at 2 million dollars, but 2 billion. That would be more than 80 years at 200,000 dollars a month. But that could be accelerated by having all sorts of additional fundraising and tons of people working. Still, it's an epic task to reach this bug, assuming it happened in the predictable way.

Quote from: flapjack3 on February 22, 2013, 05:50:17 pm
a little bit of ALOT of stuff

Must have been!
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: roushguy on February 23, 2013, 05:42:06 pm
I totally agree that you should be able to buy America back at that point. Heck, maybe even a special task that spends a million dollars a day in rampantly pro-liberal TV ads and viral marketing.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: SealyStar on February 23, 2013, 08:48:49 pm
Obviously this isn't a bug. When a true liberal gets rich, he taxes himself until he's back down!
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: gimlet on February 23, 2013, 08:50:43 pm
One MILLION dollars.  /drevil   Heh $1 million a day would be good for 1 or 2 minutes of commercial time on one network during primetime.  Proctor and Gamble spends something like $12 million a day on advertising...
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: EuchreJack on February 23, 2013, 10:13:38 pm
Quote from: SealyStar on February 23, 2013, 08:48:49 pm
Obviously this isn't a bug. When a true liberal gets rich, he taxes himself until he's back down!
Agreed.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Graknorke on March 01, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They create a mind-control ray and turn the whole country liberal.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Darvi on March 01, 2013, 06:35:32 pm
Quote from: Graknorke on March 01, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They create a enlightenment ray and turn the whole county liberal.
FTFY.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: MetalSlimeHunt on March 01, 2013, 06:38:57 pm
Quote from: Darvi on March 01, 2013, 06:35:32 pm
Quote from: Graknorke on March 01, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
They create a enlightenment ray and turn the whole universe liberal.
FTFY.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: tahujdt on April 09, 2013, 12:26:10 pm
I like the buying America idea. Seriously, though, that's a lot of money.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: seth-- on April 09, 2013, 12:41:45 pm
Quote from: Darvi on March 01, 2013, 06:35:32 pm
Quote from: Graknorke on March 01, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They create a enlightenment ray and turn the whole county liberal.
FTFY.

An elightenment ray would be interesting as a regular weapon
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: ragnarok97071 on April 09, 2013, 12:54:40 pm
Quote from: Darvi on March 01, 2013, 06:35:32 pm
Quote from: Graknorke on March 01, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They create a enlightenment ray and turn the whole county liberal.
FTFY.
The whole county? So... depending on the state, anywhere from about 1/10th of the whole area of one state... or one city.

O.o
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Graknorke on April 09, 2013, 01:07:09 pm
Quote from: ragnarok97071 on April 09, 2013, 12:54:40 pm
Quote from: Darvi on March 01, 2013, 06:35:32 pm
Quote from: Graknorke on March 01, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They create a enlightenment ray and turn the whole country liberal.
FTFY.
The whole county? So... depending on the state, anywhere from about 1/10th of the whole area of one state... or one city.

O.o
County? What county? I see no county and I am certain that there never was one.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: ragnarok97071 on April 09, 2013, 01:13:25 pm
My bad, then :P
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: flapjack3 on April 16, 2013, 01:58:57 pm
My god what have I started.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: weenog on April 16, 2013, 06:36:01 pm
Quote from: flapjack3 on February 22, 2013, 03:55:49 pm
i fount a glitch when i was playing when i get a certian amount of money it goes negetive. This glitch makes it hard to be rich. >:(

Hah! Reminds me of my first MUD.  Played a thief with a lot of warrior and mage skills bolted on.  Got my backstab damage so high that I would heal things when I hit them.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Equinox on April 20, 2013, 09:19:44 am
Quote from: SealyStar on February 23, 2013, 08:48:49 pm
Obviously this isn't a bug. When a true liberal gets rich, he taxes himself until he's back down!

This is perfect.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on April 23, 2013, 11:09:44 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They build a nuke?
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Reelya on April 23, 2013, 11:39:05 pm
Quote from: My Name is Immaterial on April 23, 2013, 11:09:44 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They build a nuke?

No, since nukes are clearly Conservative. It'd have to be a liberal WMD. Like bombing the populace with leaflets printed on recycled paper, from a plane that runs on coconut oil.

Now, an economic victory could be interesting - we already have a political victory where an arch-liberal government gets elected and passes liberal law reforms. This kind of implies that an economic victory doesn't need the actual LCS running the economy, any more than the LCS runs the country in the political victory.

The economic victory implies that the current status-quo is overhrown for a "liberal" replacement to capitalism. To really model this, we need a system in place which is the economic equivalent of the election-cycle and laws part of LCS. e.g. modelling the top companies, income inequality, number of co-ops and collectives, etc.

This would all be best if it interacted with the existing political system - game corporations are directly modeled, and have named CEO's, just like the president. The economic victory is when all corporations have liberal CEO's, high wages and low income inequality between workers and management (workers paid their true value). corporations would spend money to influence politics to the benefit of their corporation, and be actively involved in backing up the CCS etc.

This way, there would be 2 avenues to liberalize the economy - affecting the political public opinion to get legal changes, and directly protesting / picketing specific companies.

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I think focusing on a specific market sector could be good to bootstrap a system for this: I'd pick the health system first of all. At full conservative the health system is all private providers, expensive to get into a good hospital, no free clinic, very expensive tuition and untrained quacks able to legally practice medicine "free market style". As it becomes more liberal, tuition cost falls, free clinics and improved regulations put the quacks out of business, and eventually the system becomes a full public health system.

The difference in actually modelling this as companies rather than just laws, would be that the HMOs under conservative rule would actively seek to shift the laws, undermine public health and free clinics, whilst jacking up tuition to maintain their monopoly pricing, and undermining regulations so they can provide shittier service - thus opening the doors to the low-price quack doctors.

This would add a few new things to the game - you'd have the Free Clinic, Quack Doctor, Private Hospital, and Public Hospital (plus the Health corporation CEO's mansion) as different locations which appear or disappear depending on the laws.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: My Name is Immaterial on April 24, 2013, 12:18:54 am
Quote from: Reelya on April 23, 2013, 11:39:05 pm
Quote from: My Name is Immaterial on April 23, 2013, 11:09:44 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They build a nuke?
Spoiler: -snip- (click to show/hide)
That is a fabulous idea. My mind is partially blown.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: Jboy2000000 on April 30, 2013, 12:33:34 am
Thats a great idea, I love it. I also like the science idea, maybe make it 12 instead so its not as easy? And maybe have it need 6/12 Emanate Scientists at max science skill? Maybe 6 Emanate Scientists, or 12 normal Scientists. Maybe have text like this?
After the Liberal Crime Squad reaches complete scientific enlightenment they shared their findings, and changes the world forever, in return American leaders agreed as payment to Liberalize the country.
Title: Re: I'm so rich i'm poor
Post by: asro94 on April 30, 2013, 06:05:23 pm
Quote from: My Name is Immaterial on April 24, 2013, 12:18:54 am
Quote from: Reelya on April 23, 2013, 11:39:05 pm
Quote from: My Name is Immaterial on April 23, 2013, 11:09:44 pm
Quote from: Soadreqm on March 01, 2013, 06:14:00 pm
An Economic victory condition would be funny to have, if only as an easter egg. :P Might as well add Conquest too. Kill about three hundred million people, depopulating the US. On <date> the LCS was the last man standing. Not sure what a Technological victory would imply in LCS. Get six guys with maxed out science skill and they can build a spaceship to launch to Alpha Centauri? That doesn't really make sense.
They build a nuke?
Spoiler: -snip- (click to show/hide)
That is a fabulous idea. My mind is partially blown.

I... I can't say how much win is this idea