Post by: Leafsnail on March 11, 2013, 08:39:26 pm
Spoiler: Flavour (click to show/hide)
Welcome to King of the Mafia, your chance to win the fabulous crown of this subforum! The rules are below. They were originally written by Dakarian and have been edited by webadict and me (my edits are in italics).
You think you've proven yourself, child? "Oh my, I won as town!" Meh, that's easy with a whole army at your back and power roles you can abuse. "But I've beaten the town as Mafia!" PHAH! With friends and a horribly weak town.
But can you do both? Can you take down the mafia with 6 others, then turn around as mafia and BEAT those 6 to a pulp? Can you pick just the perfect role-braving additions caused by an evil mod-that will not only help you as town but also as scum? Can you fight off endless waves of people, including those you've killed?
Well then step on the hill and see if you have what it takes to be King of the Mafia.Spoiler: Basic Rules: READ! (click to show/hide)
Specialized Rules:
Inning is not required to sign up. To sign up read only the first two pages of Xylbot's role list (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12368) and choose ONE role from there (and PM it to me). You will then be assigned with that role, with a possibility of additional features based on balance or tomfoolery(though nothing hidden).Spoiler: Largish rules for choosing a role (click to show/hide)
Once 7 people have signed up, the game begins. A random person will be picked as KING MAFIA and will be given, on top of their role, the Mafiakill. The First Round ONLY will start with a kill-less Night (that is all killing abilities will be disabled).
From there, the game continues. During the game, anyone else can Sign up to be put on a queue. Game will play like a standard mafia game. If you die at any time, you may Sign up again, though others who haven't played that round will have priority.
If King Mafia is killed at any time, the round ends. Those in queue will take the place of those that died to refill the ranks back to 7 (those still alive remain), a new KING MAFIA will be picked, and the game will start on the next phase (Old round ends in Day, new round starts at Night...)
Play continues until KING MAFIA succeeds in being the ONLY one alive. Note that all players being dead does not fulfill the KING MAFIA win condition - in that case a new round would begin with 7 new players.
There is an antilurk system in place. Each RL day, you MUST have either voted (even if its for the same person) or sent in an action. Fail once and you get one prod. Fail twice in the same round and you will be killed, a player in Queue will automatically Sub in for you, and you will not be able to rejoin. Ever.
All may join this game, though be aware of the antilurk system. Please read this line Dariush.
You're done with the rules. Now join and claim the mountain!
It is currently round 4.
Sign-up Queue (7):
Freshmaniscoolman
Tiruin
Urist Imiknorris
notquitethere
Okami No Rei
Deathsword
zombie urist
Living players (1):
ToonyMan - Survived Round 4 - Delayer (mafia) and KING MAFIA
Dead players from this round (3):
Okami No Rei - Killed Night 4 - Stalker (town)
Deathsword - Lynched Day 5 - Purple Goo Magistrate (town)
The Soldier - Killed Night 5 - Combat Medic (town)
Captain Ford - Lynched Day 6 - Cannibal (town)
Toaster II - Killed Night 6 - Graverobber Mugger (town)
Hapah II - Killed Night 7 - Astrologer High Priest (town)
Spoiler: Roleflips from previous rounds (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toaster on March 11, 2013, 08:42:33 pm
Post by: Scelly9 on March 11, 2013, 08:45:44 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 11, 2013, 09:50:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2013, 12:40:17 am
Post by: Hapah on March 12, 2013, 12:58:23 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 12, 2013, 05:38:37 am
Oh, what the hell. If Tir and Toaster can do three I can manage two.One of them is exceptionally long ad the standard of how its going on seems to have settled, and the other is too fun to miss!
So yes, you can do it. Go Hapah! ^^
Post by: ToonyMan on March 12, 2013, 11:23:29 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 13, 2013, 12:05:32 am
Make sure to send a Xylbot role Tiruin or you won't be added to sign-ups! Notice how Deathsword sign-upped without even posting.I just sent it - thanks for the note though :)
...NQT PM'd me too XD
Gah, forgetfulness. Looking forward to this one though!
Post by: Leafsnail on March 14, 2013, 07:19:18 pm
1. If the KING MAFIA is left alone with someone they cannot kill they lose and are killed. This is because the KING MAFIA win condition is to be the last alive, and if they cannot kill the last player they cannot achieve that.
2. If there are no deaths for three full days and nights and there are at least 3 votes left in the game the town cannot choose to no lynch on the next day. With only 2 votes remaining in this situation the KING MAFIA would lose as above.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 14, 2013, 07:55:22 pm
2. If there are no deaths for three full days and nights and there are at least 3 votes left in the game the town cannot choose to no lynch on the next day. With only 2 votes remaining in this situation the KING MAFIA would lose as above.So what if no one votes? Or there's a tie?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 14, 2013, 08:00:49 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 14, 2013, 08:28:39 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 14, 2013, 08:29:17 pm
Edit: I totally forgot I could edit.
Post by: Teneb on March 14, 2013, 08:33:53 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 14, 2013, 08:35:01 pm
Or by casting Deathsword, then Unvote.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 14, 2013, 08:59:08 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 14, 2013, 09:15:46 pm
All town players will have the following line at the bottom of their role PM:
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To win you must first become KING MAFIA.It should also be noted that the KING MAFIA was randomly selected after role assignment.
All role PMs are now out - contact me if you have any problems.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 15, 2013, 06:43:22 pm
The Toaster family had a proud history of arson and blackmail. It was rumoured that the Toaster head could have any building on the planet on fire within an hour if he so chose. The current leader had a somewhat worrying habit of fiddling with his lighter when bored.
notquitethere was a relative newcomer to the scene, but had already made a name for himself through through his ability to avoid any kind of detection. Indeed, this was the first time anyone there had even seen the guy - many of them had previously begun to doubt his existence.
Deathsword was the name given to the leader of a loose grouping of assassins. They were famous for big, flashy killings, never being taken alive and dying relatively frequently. The Deathsword standing there looked uncomfortable - probably something to do with his weapon being confiscated.
Protocol required all those taking on the name Hapah to dress well and speak softly, but anyone with experience with the family knew that this was merely a front.. This Hapah was a well-known socialite and businessman by day, and a ruthless mafia kingpin by night. Everyone in that room knew to be weary of him.
The Tiruin family had stood for a long time, and controlled a sizable chunk of the mafia's assets. The current leader was known for two reasons: firstly, her deceptively cheery demeanor, and secondly her ability to never overlook a minor detail.
The rumours surrounding the ToonyMan family were as varied as they were ridiculous. The most persistent one related to the family island and the possibility of giant robot related activity there. The current ToonyMan's dress sense did little to discourage that rumour, but perhaps that was intentional.
Captain Ford was the head of a corrupt junta group. The military might he controlled was terrifying, and he had demonstrated his cunning and ruthlessness by rising to the top of his own organization and overthrowing the local government.
With these players the fight for the crown began.
Deadline is around 96 hours away. Note that the activity rules do not apply over weekends.
With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 07:43:19 pm
Time to get this baby started. *cracks knuckles*
Dariush, you're the ruthless dictator of a small island nation, when ...
Oh wait, he's not here. Hmm...
Toaster: You'll do. You're the ruthless dictator of a small island nation, when the president of the united states flies out to your island and demands a roleclaim, or he'll get you lynched. What is the proper response?
notquitethere: Do you think there is any advantage to being voteless?
Tiruin: If you were bruce wayne, would you try to get your buddy lynched?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 07:47:24 pm
The last KotM tournament started with a discussion about whether or not to roleclaim at the beginning. At that time, the consensus was not to, since it made the tournament drag on. What are your thoughts on it now?
Post by: notquitethere on March 15, 2013, 08:00:39 pm
Hapah- If you're not Kingmafia, what's your plan for becoming King?
Tiruin- I know you like to roleclaim. Will you do it here?
Post by: Hapah on March 15, 2013, 08:12:32 pm
Hapah- If you're not Kingmafia, what's your plan for becoming King?
Spoiler: My Battle Plan (click to show/hide)
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 08:15:26 pm
Ford: the only benefit I can see is maybe not having to declare a vote everyday. Unless no having a vote synergises well with some obscure role?That is a much better answer than the one NativeForeigner gave last time. I'd unvote you, but I didn't vote you in the first place. :/
But another question then: Do you think vote analysis is going to help you this game?
Hapah: So your usual playstyle involves flying under the radar, then?
Post by: Teneb on March 15, 2013, 08:18:49 pm
Hapah: How do you think the usual situation of nobody suspecting you will change with only 6 other players, if at all?
NQT: Shall you try to use statistics to find scum in this game like you did in others?
Post by: notquitethere on March 15, 2013, 08:24:22 pm
But another question then: Do you think vote analysis is going to help you this game?
NQT: Shall you try to use statistics to find scum in this game like you did in others?In a word: no. I think my kewl powerz and a bit of luck are the only things I have going for me here. There's only one scum and so many unknown factors due to all the possible roles. I will continue to try to be logical and not make dodgy inferences.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 08:25:49 pm
Ford: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
NQT: Shall you try to use statistics to find scum in this game like you did in others?Your disdain is very obvious in the way you've worded this question. Trying to paint him as a hopeless newb?
Post by: Hapah on March 15, 2013, 08:26:40 pm
Hapah: So your usual playstyle involves flying under the radar, then?It's not intentional, but it seems to happen. What I meant, though, is that I'm not typically the sort of player that leans on someone until the break. I like to put together all the pieces and see what doesn't quite fit (examples: calling out Tolyk in BYOC, calling out Tolyk on his fakeclaim in a BYOR [the one where he was Meph], pegging Toaster as the Exty a few Paranormal's ago). I'm less confrontational than most, but I'd like to think I still get results.
Hapah: How do you think the usual situation of nobody suspecting you will change with only 6 other players, if at all?I imagine people will be a little more critical. It's a good thing, though.
Post by: Teneb on March 15, 2013, 08:30:51 pm
No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
It was actually a sad attempt at snark. There was no disdain involved. NQT has proved he is no newb in the games he's been in. I was actually curious if he was going to make statistics part of his meta.NQT: Shall you try to use statistics to find scum in this game like you did in others?Your disdain is very obvious in the way you've worded this question. Trying to paint him as a hopeless newb?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 15, 2013, 08:35:51 pm
- Your role changes in any way
- You are blocked (but not if your actions are stopped in any other way)
- You are receiving an inspection result
Otherwise you will not receive a PM.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 08:37:57 pm
I was actually curious if he was going to make statistics part of his meta.I think he already has.
Oh right, a quick note on night action feedback. It's the same as Xylbot but it's occurred to me almost no-one is familiar with Xylbot anymore. Basically you'll receive a PM back from me if:Uhh ... so what about rules clarifications?
- Your role changes in any way
- You are blocked (but not if your actions are stopped in any other way)
- You are receiving an inspection result
Otherwise you will not receive a PM.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 15, 2013, 08:39:12 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 08:42:06 pm
I'm less confrontational than most, but I'd like to think I still get results.Can't argue with you there.
Those apply to night action feedback, you can still receive answers to questions.*phew* Gods, actually having a bot for a mod sounds like it would be awful.
...that said, I might go to #mafia to try it sometime.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 15, 2013, 09:16:37 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 09:18:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 15, 2013, 09:24:09 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 09:27:59 pm
I already know Ford is the KING Mafia, but I need to settle this grudge match first. Admit defeat Hapah and vote yourself or I'm not budging.Haha ... I'm not. So if you've got something to claim, let's hear it.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 15, 2013, 09:29:11 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 09:32:18 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 15, 2013, 10:08:10 pm
Oh right, a quick note on night action feedback. It's the same as Xylbot but it's occurred to me almost no-one is familiar with Xylbot anymore. Basically you'll receive a PM back from me if:
- Your role changes in any way
- You are blocked (but not if your actions are stopped in any other way)
- You are receiving an inspection result
Otherwise you will not receive a PM.
All: It's worth noting that you will NOT be informed if you're redirected. That said, if you submit Anarchist, you're an asshole.
Tiruin: What effect will a no-kill N0 have on RVS?
Ford:
Toaster: You'll do. You're the ruthless dictator of a small island nation, when the president of the united states flies out to your island and demands a roleclaim, or he'll get you lynched. What is the proper response?
I'm not adverse to claiming under pressure. I won't do it right offhand, but if the aggressor is clearly not going to back down, I will claim.
Actually, Toaster, disregard that, I have a better question.
The last KotM tournament started with a discussion about whether or not to roleclaim at the beginning. At that time, the consensus was not to, since it made the tournament drag on. What are your thoughts on it now?
I'll answer it anyway and you'll like it.
D1 roleclaims tend to turn the game away from cerebral day play into prearranged night action logic puzzle. It's two different games, and I think the best plan is to not roleclaim early. The first (13? 18? First thread, anyway) rounds of Web's game dragged because the scum were generally bad at fakeclaiming to break the puzzle (and everyone picking PGO making it boring.) With only seven players, there's more room to get into people's heads.
I already know Ford is the KING Mafia, but I need to settle this grudge match first. Admit defeat Hapah and vote yourself or I'm not budging.Haha ... I'm not. So if you've got something to claim, let's hear it.
Awfully eager to deny it, aren't you?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 15, 2013, 10:16:47 pm
Awfully eager to deny it, aren't you?Hey, "know" is a pretty strong word. If he's got incontrovertible proof, I wanna hear it. Especially since it can only be wrong.
Post by: Tiruin on March 15, 2013, 11:08:04 pm
Ford: You're quite eager and ecstatic this time, why's that? Also, given a choice of an inspect, a roleblock or a redirect, as mafia, what would you use during the first night?
Toaster: If you were mafia and someone landed an inspect on you (having claimed miller earlier), how would you respond?
Hapah: Given the many power roles to pick, do you think picking an inspector role would have an advantage over the rest in finding the KM?
Deathsword:
No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
Toony:
I hate you Hapah for making me lose BYOR11.How does this help find scum? Why do you hate Hapah?
Leafsnail: Love the flavor.
PPE: Toaster
Tiruin- I know you like to roleclaim. Will you do it here?Depends on the situation meaning yes, preferably later on in game.
Tiruin: What effect will a no-kill N0 have on RVS?That there are no kills at all, but people may still act given the night. Meaning added information.
All: It's worth noting that you will NOT be informed if you're redirected. That said, if you submit Anarchist, you're an asshole.How is this the case? So if I'm an Anarchist, that makes me...what? Reading it up, its a 50% on everyone.
Yes. :3Toony, that's Ford for you. He does that. And I'm quite unsure how excitement = scumtell.
Tiruin: If you were bruce wayne, would you try to get your buddy lynched?If I was...wait, why would I get robin lynched?
Oh, the role. No. I'll only gain powers if my buddy dies - not lynched...I think. If lynch = powers, then still no. I don't know what batman does (part of my answer is based on the reward) but if it comes down to killing a player for powers, that's a direct no for me.
Post by: Hapah on March 16, 2013, 12:07:21 am
I hate you Hapah for making me lose BYOR11.I had to play the hand I was dealt, yeah? (Though FYI, I was prepared to off myself if you ALL voted to lynch me. It seemed the only sporting thing to do. I had the pic to post with it and everything, lol)
I am a Miller.Damnit, Toaster. All the roles on that list and you go with a freaking Miller? Why?
Post by: Toaster on March 16, 2013, 12:59:23 am
Toaster: If you were mafia and someone landed an inspect on you (having claimed miller earlier), how would you respond?
"Why'd you inspect me, you dumbass?"
Tiruin: What effect will a no-kill N0 have on RVS?That there are no kills at all, but people may still act given the night. Meaning added information.All: It's worth noting that you will NOT be informed if you're redirected. That said, if you submit Anarchist, you're an asshole.How is this the case? So if I'm an Anarchist, that makes me...what? Reading it up, its a 50% on everyone.
Noted.
Anarchist makes all inspections pretty much useless.
Hapah:
I am a Miller.Damnit, Toaster. All the roles on that list and you go with a freaking Miller? Why?
I didn't pick miller. It got attached.
Post by: notquitethere on March 16, 2013, 05:10:08 am
Tiruin, have you played in similar set-ups before? If so, what role did you pick and why?
Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.
Toony, what are your views on using rhubarb in desserts?
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2013, 07:40:58 am
Tiruin, have you played in similar set-ups before? If so, what role did you pick and why?Yep. In that other KotM "wherein Leafsnail dethroned Webadict and everyone played their worst" -- Bookthras (:P)
I was a delayer. I got daykilled before I could say anything about who I delayed. I picked a delayer because its a dual purpose role if/either KM or town, but its an aid moreso to town because it can fully delay a NK.
What information can you gain from this, NQT? Why are you asking Toaster his dietary needs and not mine? :I
Post by: Teneb on March 16, 2013, 10:51:09 am
Deathsword:You call that question strange as if you have never seen a "are you scum?" question, Tiruin. And I am sure you have seen that question many times. Say, why that question and vote strange?No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 16, 2013, 11:29:19 am
Good answer.I hate you Hapah for making me lose BYOR11.I had to play the hand I was dealt, yeah? (Though FYI, I was prepared to off myself if you ALL voted to lynch me. It seemed the only sporting thing to do. I had the pic to post with it and everything, lol)
Toony:WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED?? You're wasting my time here.I hate you Hapah for making me lose BYOR11.How does this help find scum? Why do you hate Hapah?
Toony, what are your views on using rhubarb in desserts?Screw you!
Yeah totally. Captain Ford.Awfully eager to deny it, aren't you?Hey, "know" is a pretty strong word. If he's got incontrovertible proof, I wanna hear it. Especially since it can only be wrong.
Post by: notquitethere on March 16, 2013, 12:11:23 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 16, 2013, 12:16:00 pm
Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Stop saying things like this
Post by: Hapah on March 16, 2013, 12:20:01 pm
Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?You're pointing that question the wrong way, stranger.
Post by: Toaster on March 16, 2013, 12:35:03 pm
Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?
Tiruin, have you played in similar set-ups before? If so, what role did you pick and why?
Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.
Triple rolefish combo!
(http://Deathsword): because town can't win in this game (it only ends when the King wins), is there any reason for town to co-operate overly?
Wow. NQT, why are you trying to divide the town against itself?
Post by: notquitethere on March 16, 2013, 01:40:50 pm
Duly noted.Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Stop saying things like this
NQT:Bwuhahaha, I thought the rhubarb question would throw you all off but you saw through my dastardly scheme. I'm not trying to divide or divine anything really, just trying to get a feel for how everyone else feels about this mode (that I'm new to).Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?
Tiruin, have you played in similar set-ups before? If so, what role did you pick and why?
Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.
Triple rolefish combo!(http://Deathsword): because town can't win in this game (it only ends when the King wins), is there any reason for town to co-operate overly?
Wow. NQT, why are you trying to divide the town against itself?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 16, 2013, 02:36:14 pm
Ford: You're quite eager and ecstatic this time, why's that? Also, given a choice of an inspect, a roleblock or a redirect, as mafia, what would you use during the first night?1. I was in a playful mood. I wouldn't say I'm ecstatic. I'm actually under a lot of stress, considering I ran out of money last week and I have no idea how I'm going to get out of debt now.
2. I'd kill, of course. But if I could also do one of those other things, I'd redirect. It's as good as a roleblock and has the benefit of possibly incriminating somebody else. What am I going to do with an inspect result as mafia?
notquitethere:
Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.First thing that stood out to me. As the last player to sign up, I was in a bit of a time crunch.
Toaster:
I didn't pick miller. It got attached.So you didn't pick it for investigation immunity?
ToonyMan:
Yeah totally. Captain Ford.Fact: I have the most posts in every game I've played in (per day, for games I didn't play all the way through).
Fact: This is because I have more time to waste than you.
Fact: That is completely independent of my alignment.
Got anything else?
notquitethere:
I'm not trying to divide or divine anything really, just trying to get a feel for how everyone else feels about this mode (that I'm new to).You could totally do that without blatantly rolefishing.
Also, I noticed you directed that last question at Deathsword, but enclosed his name in img tags instead of bold. I'm surprised that Toaster didn't notice that since it was clearly visible in his own post.
Post by: Toaster on March 16, 2013, 03:13:32 pm
Toaster:I didn't pick miller. It got attached.So you didn't pick it for investigation immunity?
Right. A role that is useless 6/7ths of the time? No thanks.
Also, I noticed you directed that last question at Deathsword, but enclosed his name in img tags instead of bold. I'm surprised that Toaster didn't notice that since it was clearly visible in his own post.
I noticed it. I don't see why it was worth mentioning, though. How dare he hit the IMG tag button that is immediately under the bold button?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 16, 2013, 03:23:19 pm
ToonyMan:I don't think I could top the number of facts you got backing you up Mafia King!Yeah totally. Captain Ford.Fact: I have the most posts in every game I've played in (per day, for games I didn't play all the way through).
Fact: This is because I have more time to waste than you.
Fact: That is completely independent of my alignment.
Got anything else?
It's true, NQT didn't fix it again when quoting himself and Toaster, he must be mafia!Also, I noticed you directed that last question at Deathsword, but enclosed his name in img tags instead of bold. I'm surprised that Toaster didn't notice that since it was clearly visible in his own post.I noticed it. I don't see why it was worth mentioning, though. How dare he hit the IMG tag button that is immediately under the bold button?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 16, 2013, 03:39:07 pm
Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution.
This leaves: Deathsword, Hapah, and Captain Ford.
Hapah had a fine first response and Deathsword hasn't struck anything on me right now so the process isn't hard to see here.
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2013, 03:45:33 pm
> Snip to original quote.ToonyMan:I don't think I could top the number of facts you got backing you up Mafia King!Yeah totally. Captain Ford.Fact: I have the most posts in every game I've played in (per day, for games I didn't play all the way through).
Fact: This is because I have more time to waste than you.
Fact: That is completely independent of my alignment.
Got anything else?
@Toony: So at the time you said this, I was under the impression that you 'knew' based on Ford's attitude...being overtly happy. My strange way of analysis, but it comes with what is generally seen @scum/non-cautious town anyway.I already know Ford is the KING Mafia, but I need to settle this grudge match first. Admit defeat Hapah and vote yourself or I'm not budging.Haha ... I'm not. So if you've got something to claim, let's hear it.
Awfully eager to deny it, aren't you?
So...how do you know?
Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution.>.>
Wait...this is based on how I'm posting? I felt that you were tagging me as scum in that game - or vague town. I just can't understand this, your read is based on meta?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 16, 2013, 03:51:07 pm
Toaster:
I noticed it. I don't see why it was worth mentioning, though. How dare he hit the IMG tag button that is immediately under the bold button?I at first thought it would alter the meaning of both his post and yours. But looking back on it, it doesn't really.
Right. A role that is useless 6/7ths of the time? No thanks.One could argue that it's valuable all the time, since when you're town, investigators won't waste their actions on you. And of course that isn't the only thing you can do. You wouldn't have claimed it was attached to something if you didn't have other abilities to prove it.
... which actually, is a remarkably strong argument that you're telling the truth. Hmm. Unvote.
PPE: ToonyMan x2
ToonyMan:
Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution....so you suck at reading people, so instead of trying to get better at it, you hold grudges?
Hapah had a fine first response and Deathsword hasn't struck anything on me right now so the process isn't hard to see here.So you're voting me for ... what, exactly? Not being you?
Post by: Tiruin on March 16, 2013, 03:55:04 pm
Dude. You just wasted a whole RL day with only that question and you're not branching out. I've seen that question asked many times before - I've had that question posed at me many times before (because Tiruin is always scum and all that [was like an in-joke due to the fact that the recent games I was in always in and won popped with me being scum.])Deathsword:You call that question strange as if you have never seen a "are you scum?" question, Tiruin. And I am sure you have seen that question many times. Say, why that question and vote strange?No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
But yeah. What are you even doing to scumhunt DS?
Duly what? Hapah didn't even state he was a miller anywhere. Toaster did.Duly noted.Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Stop saying things like this
NQT, what are you even doing here? Pre-game investigation?
What am I going to do with an inspect result as mafia?Multiple choice type question. Its a list of probable actions you could do - the answer is the one that matters. But yeah, that type of question was mostly due to another game: Roguelike Mafia wherein one role [the Paladin] makes the user pop out as town in inspections regardless of their alignment and they've an item that inspects others. Items = actions here.
Woah there tiger, I'm curious. That was your first post of the day and the proceeding ones didn't help answer that. Well, ok, the latter question was answered (because he made you lose and all) but not the former.Toony:WHY DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED?? You're wasting my time here.I hate you Hapah for making me lose BYOR11.How does this help find scum? Why do you hate Hapah?
PPE Ford
Post by: ToonyMan on March 16, 2013, 05:28:44 pm
ToonyMan:It's safer to assume they're town so I don't go "they're totally acting scummy" and go for easy-lynch. That's a pretty fast way to lose. So no, I don't plan on voting them, today at least. It's hard to even call that a grudge, and more an improvement process.Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution....so you suck at reading people, so instead of trying to get better at it, you hold grudges?
How clever, it's because I'm town and you're the only one left that can't be town, keep up! My first post was a pretty simple scum-catch technique so I really expected a better response, you know?Hapah had a fine first response and Deathsword hasn't struck anything on me right now so the process isn't hard to see here.So you're voting me for ... what, exactly? Not being you?
@every question Tiruin has asked me:
Okay. You're likely town so you don't need to win favors on me.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 16, 2013, 06:13:46 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 16, 2013, 06:27:07 pm
Deathsword: because town can't win in this game (it only ends when the King wins), is there any reason for town to co-operate overly?Fail bolding is fail.
Town should cooperate because none of them is king and, thus, unable to win. By killing the King, a new round starts.
Post by: Teneb on March 16, 2013, 06:32:17 pm
Nice dodge. Tell me, as I asked before, why that question I asked Ford, a question you have seen so many times, is strange.Dude. You just wasted a whole RL day with only that question and you're not branching out. I've seen that question asked many times before - I've had that question posed at me many times before (because Tiruin is always scum and all that [was like an in-joke due to the fact that the recent games I was in always in and won popped with me being scum.])Deathsword:You call that question strange as if you have never seen a "are you scum?" question, Tiruin. And I am sure you have seen that question many times. Say, why that question and vote strange?No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
But yeah. What are you even doing to scumhunt DS?
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Post by: notquitethere on March 16, 2013, 07:41:32 pm
notquitethere:A reasonable and understandably unenlightening response. In case you were wondering, I chose the role that made me grin the most. Think of that what you will.Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.First thing that stood out to me. As the last player to sign up, I was in a bit of a time crunch.
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But you see Ford, if role-fishing is blatant then it can't really be role-fishing as I could neither want nor expect anyone to take the bait. Is any discussion of roles (i.e. any discussion of the nature of this game-mode) automatically suspicious? As for the misbolding: serves me right for trying to play mafia on my phone.I'm not trying to divide or divine anything really, just trying to get a feel for how everyone else feels about this mode (that I'm new to).You could totally do that without blatantly rolefishing.
Also, I noticed you directed that last question at Deathsword, but enclosed his name in img tags instead of bold. I'm surprised that Toaster didn't notice that since it was clearly visible in his own post.
Tiruin
Sorry: a Britishism I expect. 'Duly' means 'in accordance with what is appropriate', and noted 'made a note of', so 'duly noted' in this context means, 'in accordance with what is appropriate, I have made a note of what you just said', and it implies (as is appropriate) that I will take on board the criticism in future. The benefit was, I could say all that in two words instead of 16. I got Hapah and Toaster mixed up: again, it serves me right for trying to play this game on my phone.Duly what? Hapah didn't even state he was a miller anywhere. Toaster did.Stop saying things like thisDuly noted.
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NQT, what are you even doing here? Pre-game investigation?I believe, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, that the best way to try to win this game is to know as much about the game and what people believe about the game. As this information is gathered on this public thread, the results are shared with all, so any pre-game investigation is to everyone's benefit.
Deathsword
Town should cooperate because none of them is king and, thus, unable to win. By killing the King, a new round starts.I believe you have the right of it, and I will try to co-operate with all of you until a round comes when I am king. Sound fair?
Hapah
One thousand apologies.Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?You're pointing that question the wrong way, stranger.
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2013, 12:32:36 am
...Now you're just getting on my nerves.Nice dodge. Tell me, as I asked before, why that question I asked Ford, a question you have seen so many times, is strange.Dude. You just wasted a whole RL day with only that question and you're not branching out. I've seen that question asked many times before - I've had that question posed at me many times before (because Tiruin is always scum and all that [was like an in-joke due to the fact that the recent games I was in always in and won popped with me being scum.])Deathsword:You call that question strange as if you have never seen a "are you scum?" question, Tiruin. And I am sure you have seen that question many times. Say, why that question and vote strange?No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
But yeah. What are you even doing to scumhunt DS?
I mean, what would that question accomplish? In most games - town or mafia would respond with a 'No' when asked "U mafia, bro?" Here, you did such.
The point of my question is, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE BUT THAT. Hello vote -> people for nonsensical questions.
Feels to me like you're just burning time for the night so you can kill, DS. Like I said, what have you done, and why are you falsely accusing me of what you're doing?
Post by: Teneb on March 17, 2013, 10:14:19 am
I am not accusing you of that Tiruin. I am accusing you of finding strange a question that has been used more time than I care to count....Now you're just getting on my nerves.Nice dodge. Tell me, as I asked before, why that question I asked Ford, a question you have seen so many times, is strange.Dude. You just wasted a whole RL day with only that question and you're not branching out. I've seen that question asked many times before - I've had that question posed at me many times before (because Tiruin is always scum and all that [was like an in-joke due to the fact that the recent games I was in always in and won popped with me being scum.])Deathsword:You call that question strange as if you have never seen a "are you scum?" question, Tiruin. And I am sure you have seen that question many times. Say, why that question and vote strange?No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?No. unvoteFord: Are you the mafia king?Nope. Are you?
But yeah. What are you even doing to scumhunt DS?
I mean, what would that question accomplish? In most games - town or mafia would respond with a 'No' when asked "U mafia, bro?" Here, you did such.
The point of my question is, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE BUT THAT. Hello vote -> people for nonsensical questions.
Feels to me like you're just burning time for the night so you can kill, DS. Like I said, what have you done, and why are you falsely accusing me of what you're doing?
And how am I not doing anything else? Am I not pressuring you over your reaction to that question?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 17, 2013, 11:19:53 am
DeathswordWell that's good, it'll be easier to tell if you're mafia.Town should cooperate because none of them is king and, thus, unable to win. By killing the King, a new round starts.I believe you have the right of it, and I will try to co-operate with all of you until a round comes when I am king. Sound fair?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 17, 2013, 02:24:40 pm
Nice dodge. Tell me, as I asked before, why that question I asked Ford, a question you have seen so many times, is strange.Dude, she DID just answer your question. Your question was strange because you hadn't done jack shit besides.
notquitethere:
But you see Ford, if role-fishing is blatant then it can't really be role-fishing as I could neither want nor expect anyone to take the bait. Is any discussion of roles (i.e. any discussion of the nature of this game-mode) automatically suspicious? As for the misbolding: serves me right for trying to play mafia on my phone.Hard Lesson #1: Never assume that people will realize that something shouldn't be taken at face value. This is mafia. Anything you say can and will be used against you.
And the hard truth is that the answers to those questions WOULD hint at what role we chose. Can you actually look at those questions and honestly tell me that the answers wouldn't narrow down the list of possibilities?
Note that I specifically gave an answer that -- while truthful -- revealed nothing.
I believe you have the right of it, and I will try to co-operate with all of you until a round comes when I am king. Sound fair?Hard Lesson #2: Actions speak louder than words. You talk a good show, NQT, but rolefishing isn't a good way to win people over. Everyone here is "in it to win it", and giving up our role gives up an advantage.
Realize that when a round ends, people left alive keep their role and any abilities they have left. If we manage to survive this round and get to the next, we want to keep every advantage we can. You are asking people to disadvantage themselves in the long term for the gain of everyone else in the short term.
And I think that tells you quite a bit about how I (and probably others) view this game.
ToonyMan:
My first post was a pretty simple scum-catch technique so I really expected a better response, you know?No, I don't know.
You didn't vote me, so you clearly weren't serious. So I laughed and called it out as BS.
There was a night zero, so it was possible that you actually had something to share. I invited you to share it because I'm not psychic and I couldn't tell what kind of trap you were trying to catch me in.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 17, 2013, 04:57:40 pm
Note that I specifically gave an answer that -- while truthful -- revealed nothing.Hmm...you did already notice that, actually. I missed that part. One of the hazards of quote pyramids.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 17, 2013, 08:42:01 pm
notquitethere: Tiruin, Toaster
Captain Ford: ToonyMan
Toaster: Hapah
Hapah: notquitethere
Not voting: Captain Ford, Deathsword
Reminder: Activity rules start tomorrow. Remember to vote!
Post by: Captain Ford on March 17, 2013, 10:15:46 pm
(Note: I took a 7-hour break in writing this for D&D)
I am not accusing you of that Tiruin. I am accusing you of finding strange a question that has been used more time than I care to count.This argument is completely nonsensical. Tiruin very clearly said that your VOTE was strange. It's even clearly visible in your enormous quote pyramid:
No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?But even so, what does that accusation even mean? Why are you accusing her of it?
Post by: Hapah on March 17, 2013, 10:18:57 pm
I don't remember ever seeing a mafia claim Miller so Toaster is going to be town in my eyes unless everything else points otherwise.What is all this, Toony? How long do Tir and NQT get a free pass because of something that happened in another game?
Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution.
This leaves: Deathsword, Hapah, and Captain Ford.
Hapah had a fine first response and Deathsword hasn't struck anything on me right now so the process isn't hard to see here.
(Also Dar fakeclaimed Kook in the last Paranormal)
Post by: Tiruin on March 17, 2013, 11:23:10 pm
DS: You've giving trivial reasons over trivial questions - something now blown up into a case against you, and you handwave it. What I'm pointing at is that yo-
Deathsword:This!Nice dodge. Tell me, as I asked before, why that question I asked Ford, a question you have seen so many times, is strange.Dude, she DID just answer your question. Your question was strange because you hadn't done jack shit besides.
You haven't done anything. Saying a weak "And how am I not doing anything else? Am I not pressuring you over your reaction to that question?" is illogical. How are you pressuring me when in that sense, you're diverting and evading every question I asked you. Oh yes, I'm pressured though, but under the pressure of RL exams - just enough to tell you that you're not playing a very good game. Lazy.
Though...given that, if you were mafia, then...well, that has my vote for worst king ever.
What in the world is wrong with you and why aren't you branching out in your queries?
I think you're talking to DS there? O_oNo vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?But even so, what does that accusation even mean? Why are you accusing her of it?
Or...its just me and skimming to make connection in your paragraph there.
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EBWOP2: Somehow I also missed a set of replies between DS and Tiruin. *facepalm* Still, my earlier response stands.
Anyway, Toony: Whether town or scum, that game last time (where I now see the reason why you're putting me and NQT under the town folder) does not qualify us to not be questioned by you. Actually, I believe that game was lost wholly due to me. I knew LS was scum. Later in the day - near final day end, he was attacking NQT and supporting Nerjin. That was his loophole and I missed it.
So in short, I'm also interested in Hapah's question to you there (sorry btw if you still have the same impression about my posts being "confusing" all the time :/)
Post by: Captain Ford on March 17, 2013, 11:37:47 pm
This argument is completely nonsensical. Tiruin very clearly said that your VOTE was strange. It's even clearly visible in your enormous quote pyramid:No vote for anyone else after that...strange RVS vote? Why?
Post by: notquitethere on March 18, 2013, 02:29:41 am
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2013, 12:51:22 pm
ToonyMan:It seems weird to adamantly demand proof how I know you're the KING Mafia. That isn't insignificant at all.My first post was a pretty simple scum-catch technique so I really expected a better response, you know?No, I don't know.
You didn't vote me, so you clearly weren't serious. So I laughed and called it out as BS.
There was a night zero, so it was possible that you actually had something to share. I invited you to share it because I'm not psychic and I couldn't tell what kind of trap you were trying to catch me in.
Skimmed the thread so I have something to think about, and this sticks out like whoa:I already explained this wasn't right, look at my posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4108760#msg4108760) right after where I rectify that.I don't remember ever seeing a mafia claim Miller so Toaster is going to be town in my eyes unless everything else points otherwise.What is all this, Toony? How long do Tir and NQT get a free pass because of something that happened in another game?
Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution.
This leaves: Deathsword, Hapah, and Captain Ford.
Hapah had a fine first response and Deathsword hasn't struck anything on me right now so the process isn't hard to see here.
(Also Dar fakeclaimed Kook in the last Paranormal)
(I wasn't in last Paranormal, read my post you quoted)
This also answers Tiruin's question because she wanted the same thing.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 18, 2013, 02:35:39 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 18, 2013, 03:05:31 pm
Skimmed the thread so I have something to think about, and this sticks out like whoa:
So what did all your thinking amount to?
NQT:
I start my new work today, so in case I don't get to vote later: Hapah, when in a game is it possible to first get reads on people?
Is all you have rolefish and RVS? What's the scummiest thing you've seen so far?
Toony: How do you deal with people who you mistakenly read as scummy? (IE NQT and Tiruin)
Post by: Captain Ford on March 18, 2013, 03:12:17 pm
It seems weird to adamantly demand proof how I know you're the KING Mafia. That isn't insignificant at all."Adamantly demand" != "You're wrong. But if you have something to claim, I'd like to hear it."
And I don't know why it seems weird. It's normal for accusations to come paired with reasoning.
No she didn't. "How does this help you find scum?" - Ring a bell?What is all this, Toony? How long do Tir and NQT get a free pass because of something that happened in another game?I already explained this wasn't right, look at my posts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4108760#msg4108760) right after where I rectify that.
(Also Dar fakeclaimed Kook in the last Paranormal)
(I wasn't in last Paranormal, read my post you quoted)
This also answers Tiruin's question because she wanted the same thing.
ToonyMan. Do you think you could show a little more patience?
Post by: Tiruin on March 18, 2013, 03:35:45 pm
Still on Deathsword
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2013, 03:37:24 pm
Toony: How do you deal with people who you mistakenly read as scummy? (IE NQT and Tiruin)I don't really know yet. I sometimes right about Tiruin (Prince's Guard BUT THAT HURT ME REMEMBER) and sometimes wrong (whenever I'm actually town). I just need to be more careful since I know people who aren't experts in English are going to have a harder time.
PFPWhy does everybody do this?? I know it means posting for prosperity I believe, but there's no reason to state your posts are gonna be half-assed. You too Hapah and Tiruin!
Nah uh, accusations don't need evidence. Evidence != reasoning.It seems weird to adamantly demand proof how I know you're the KING Mafia. That isn't insignificant at all."Adamantly demand" != "You're wrong. But if you have something to claim, I'd like to hear it."
And I don't know why it seems weird. It's normal for accusations to come paired with reasoning.
ToonyMan. Do you think you could show a little more patience?Why? I want to roll for KING Mafia after lynching you.
Post by: Toaster on March 18, 2013, 03:38:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2013, 03:42:04 pm
Post from PHONE. As in it's hard to type a lot.I never thought of that okay, thanks. Suddenly everything makes sense. I think this proves how mobile-less I am.
Post by: Tiruin on March 18, 2013, 03:42:27 pm
Post from PHONE. As in it's hard to type a lot.This or Posting From Profession.
Meaning you're really busy and have to do something else at the moment//Too tired to give a direct post as fatigue may affect your comprehension skills//Busy and strained for time...
That.
To tell you: You are right in guessing my alignment now (but that won't stop speculation anyway...Also sorry back then :/ And possibly now due to that last sentence)...Toony: How do you deal with people who you mistakenly read as scummy? (IE NQT and Tiruin)I don't really know yet. I sometimes right about Tiruin (Prince's Guard BUT THAT HURT ME REMEMBER) and sometimes wrong (whenever I'm actually town). I just need to be more careful since I know people who aren't experts in English are going to have a harder time.
PPE: You
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2013, 03:49:43 pm
What usually gets me is when you make a statement I don't understand and think is completely wrong (thus label you scum). I think Toaster and I can agree that your insistence on there being only one spy in the first failed mission in Revolution didn't mean you knew because you were scum, but that's what you strongly felt. Which totally screwed me up. THAT is what I want to avoid falling prey on.
So in other words, misunderstanding aren't scum-tells (usually). I have to get clear answers.
Post by: Hapah on March 18, 2013, 04:21:06 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 18, 2013, 04:21:43 pm
ToonyMan:
Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution.So your reads at that point on them were based on meta?
notquitethere
Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Was supped to be directed at Toaster. Rolefishing and WIFOM.
Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.Rolefishing, trying to determine what kind of role Ford might have picked.
But you see Ford, if role-fishing is blatant then it can't really be role-fishing as I could neither want nor expect anyone to take the bait. Is any discussion of roles (i.e. any discussion of the nature of this game-mode) automatically suspicious? As for the misbolding: serves me right for trying to play mafia on my phone.[/quote]I'm not trying to divide or divine anything really, just trying to get a feel for how everyone else feels about this mode (that I'm new to).You could totally do that without blatantly rolefishing.
Also, I noticed you directed that last question at Deathsword, but enclosed his name in img tags instead of bold. I'm surprised that Toaster didn't notice that since it was clearly visible in his own post.
Horrible, horrible WIFOM
DeathswordSo you will be helpful to everyone unless you are king, at which point you will stop being helpful. Unless you decide to pretend you are helpful. More wine.Town should cooperate because none of them is king and, thus, unable to win. By killing the King, a new round starts.I believe you have the right of it, and I will try to co-operate with all of you until a round comes when I am king. Sound fair?
Hapah, when in a game is it possible to first get reads on people?Not wine. RVS question outside of RVS (I believe we are already out of it)
Post by: Tiruin on March 18, 2013, 04:25:55 pm
Tiruin: yeah, you're right. My actions have been somewhat lazy and minimal. I tend to let real life get to me a bit too much.TBH, this was the first thing that popped into mind regarding me mulling over your attitude during the game here...
And I was right (:D), still doesn't excuse how you...reasoned though. But for that very purpose right there [Yeah, making a case based on RL? No.] unvote.
Ford
ToonyMan. Do you think you could show a little more patience?What seems wrong with being enthusiastic that I see the Toony is?
Your vote seems like an OMGUS - however you're relating patience to...what now? That seems confusing. What I see it as, is that you're interpreting him wanting to get to day end by the definition of patience.
What's up?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2013, 04:32:55 pm
That post is a bit old, simply put I need to be a bit more understanding with the language barrier. Although NQT's rolefishing this game has been alarming. If I wasn't voting Ford I would be doing NQT.Tiruin and NQT are also town in my mind thanks to Revolution.So your reads at that point on them were based on meta?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 18, 2013, 04:35:50 pm
Tiruin, truth be told, I'm having a really shitty day at work. I had to vote somebody, and didn't have a lot of time to think about it.
Post by: notquitethere on March 18, 2013, 04:38:31 pm
NQT:I've also got my charm and good looks. Today is the first day and there's been a lot of waffle and relatively little banana. I usually prefer to form my reads in light of role-flips and people's votes, and this game mode is especially ripe for taking a softly softly approach as everyone wants to survive until the second night so they can be sure to use their abilities. The scummiest thing I've seen is collectively the Deathsword-Tiruin-Ford dust up. That they're all so invested in it makes me think that one of them could be scum. My money's on DS for now.I start my new work today, so in case I don't get to vote later: Hapah, when in a game is it possible to first get reads on people?Is all you have rolefish and RVS? What's the scummiest thing you've seen so far?
DS
notquitethereNot WIFOM or Rolefishing. More discussion on the nature of the game. It's obvious if Miller was added as a debuff, there must have been a reason to debuff. That doesn't narrow it down by any amount as there's loads of powerful roles. I don't think it's in my interest for anyone to tell their roles as it gives scum too big an advantage.Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Was supped to be directed at Toaster. Rolefishing and WIFOM.
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Again, this game is about roles, not talking about roles in general would be pretty weird.Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.Rolefishing, trying to determine what kind of role Ford might have picked.
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How is discussing my own motivations possibly WIFOM? I know perfectly what I'm thinking.But you see Ford, if role-fishing is blatant then it can't really be role-fishing as I could neither want nor expect anyone to take the bait. Is any discussion of roles (i.e. any discussion of the nature of this game-mode) automatically suspicious? As for the misbolding: serves me right for trying to play mafia on my phone.Horrible, horrible WIFOM
Everyone, I have never played a mafia game where you get to pick your own roles before. Now I have learned too late that discussing roles in any way is a cardinal sin and is only done by fiendish scum, apparently.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 18, 2013, 04:48:30 pm
PFPOkay.
Tiruin, truth be told, I'm having a really shitty day at work. I had to vote somebody, and didn't have a lot of time to think about it.
I've also got my charm and good looks. Today is the first day and there's been a lot of waffle and relatively little banana. I usually prefer to form my reads in light of role-flips and people's votes, and this game mode is especially ripe for taking a softly softly approach as everyone wants to survive until the second night so they can be sure to use their abilities. The scummiest thing I've seen is collectively the Deathsword-Tiruin-Ford dust up. That they're all so invested in it makes me think that one of them could be scum. My money's on DS for now.There's only one mafia so I wouldn't claim the pile-up excuse.
Everyone, I have never played a mafia game where you get to pick your own roles before. Now I have learned too late that discussing roles in any way is a cardinal sin and is only done by fiendish scum, apparently.Yes it is.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 18, 2013, 04:55:35 pm
Expanding on my vote.
I don't find NQT scummy for his WIFOM or rolefishing, nor do I find DS scummy for his tunneling or overreactions. That's par for the course for both of them.
Tiruin and Toaster aren't standing out to me. Hapah is doing fine.
ToonyMan is being hostile and reacting to queries to expand on his earlier answers with shouting. This is not normal for him.
Post by: Teneb on March 18, 2013, 05:22:55 pm
ToasterOh look, an OMGUS.NQT:I've also got my charm and good looks. Today is the first day and there's been a lot of waffle and relatively little banana. I usually prefer to form my reads in light of role-flips and people's votes, and this game mode is especially ripe for taking a softly softly approach as everyone wants to survive until the second night so they can be sure to use their abilities. The scummiest thing I've seen is collectively the Deathsword-Tiruin-Ford dust up. That they're all so invested in it makes me think that one of them could be scum. My money's on DS for now.I start my new work today, so in case I don't get to vote later: Hapah, when in a game is it possible to first get reads on people?Is all you have rolefish and RVS? What's the scummiest thing you've seen so far?
DSYou asked if he had a powerful role. No matter the answer, yes or no, you'd get to know something about his role.notquitethereNot WIFOM or Rolefishing. More discussion on the nature of the game. It's obvious if Miller was added as a debuff, there must have been a reason to debuff. That doesn't narrow it down by any amount as there's loads of powerful roles. I don't think it's in my interest for anyone to tell their roles as it gives scum too big an advantage.Hapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Was supped to be directed at Toaster. Rolefishing and WIFOM.
But trying to make people give you info on their roles is quite scummy.QuoteAgain, this game is about roles, not talking about roles in general would be pretty weird.Ford, I don't know about you, but this was the first game I've been in where I've got to chose my role. The choice was daunting. I won't ask what you picked but I will ask by what metric you made your choice.Rolefishing, trying to determine what kind of role Ford might have picked.
Let me follow the logic in your post:QuoteHow is discussing my own motivations possibly WIFOM? I know perfectly what I'm thinking.But you see Ford, if role-fishing is blatant then it can't really be role-fishing as I could neither want nor expect anyone to take the bait. Is any discussion of roles (i.e. any discussion of the nature of this game-mode) automatically suspicious? As for the misbolding: serves me right for trying to play mafia on my phone.Horrible, horrible WIFOM
If you role fish is blatant it can't be role fishing, since if it ws blatant you wouldn't expect people to take the bait.
Now let's follow this logic some more:
Unless of course you are indeed blatantly rolefishing while expecting people to take the bait, but unwilling to admit your rolefishing is blatant. Or maybe you don't know what you are talking about. Or maybe a wizard did it. WIFOM.
Everyone, I have never played a mafia game where you get to pick your own roles before. Now I have learned too late that discussing roles in any way is a cardinal sin and is only done by fiendish scum, apparently.Please, don't try to paint yourself as a saintly newbie being attacked by the big bad Deathsword. Talking about roles in general once is normal. GOING THE WHOLE GAME ONLY TALKING ABOUT ROLES is scummy.
Ford: I fear your meta on me is based on the (relatively) short period of time we've been playing together, in which I've been quite cranky.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 18, 2013, 07:13:58 pm
notquitethere: Toaster, Deathsword
Captain Ford: ToonyMan, Tiruin
ToonyMan: Captain Ford
Deathsword: notquitethere
Not voting: Hapah
It hasn't quite been 24 hours since the last votecount so Hapah can escape a warning this time. Deadline is in roughly 24 hours time. Make sure you vote again before then!
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?month=03&day=20&hour=00&min=00&sec=00&p0=136&msg=Day+1+deadline
(I'll be using the forums time as the decider as usual, but this should give you a rough idea no matter how confused you are about timezones)
Post by: notquitethere on March 18, 2013, 07:23:18 pm
Ah, I'm just winding you up. Unvote for now.
Post by: Hapah on March 18, 2013, 10:13:02 pm
It hasn't quite been 24 hours since the last votecount so Hapah can escape a warning this time. Deadline is in roughly 24 hours time. Make sure you vote again before then!Thanks boss! Had a good friend of mine get back from his deployment, so I had to take him out for drinks and shoot the breeze with him for a while.
Quote from: Toony Post #76
StuffSorry about that, I just skimmed. I don't normally pay the game much attention on the weekends.
I start my new work today, so in case I don't get to vote later: Hapah, when in a game is it possible to first get reads on people?Varies wildly based on the game and (to a lesser extent) the player. Some people are easier to read than others, and sometimes people slip and give you a good line of questioning when you wouldn't normally have a good angle.
Hapah:The more I think about it, the more I think your Miller claim might be bogus. It's the sort of bold action I might expect from the king, especially when you take into account that there are at least two really nuts-and-bolts type of players in the game.Skimmed the thread so I have something to think about, and this sticks out like whoa:So what did all your thinking amount to?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 18, 2013, 11:47:25 pm
Ford: I fear your meta on me is based on the (relatively) short period of time we've been playing together, in which I've been quite cranky.Yeah, that describes it pretty well.
That post in Mafia and Masons and Hackers where you painted NQT as a saintly townie and me as scum who came to his rescue is still one of the most ... unique things I've read on these forums.
Post by: Hapah on March 18, 2013, 11:55:26 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2013, 09:11:56 am
notquitethereHapah, not that I'm fishing or anything but it would seem you must have a very powerful role for Miller to be added as a debuff. Is this a reasonable assumption?Was supped to be directed at Toaster. Rolefishing and WIFOM.
-snip-
Why do I get the feeling that this whole post is just a big "me too!" vote? Who do you suspect other than NQT and why?
NQT:
Toaster
The scummiest thing I've seen is collectively the Deathsword-Tiruin-Ford dust up. That they're all so invested in it makes me think that one of them could be scum. My money's on DS for now.
Why? Your post does him doesn't exactly accuse him of anything.
Hapah:
Hapah:The more I think about it, the more I think your Miller claim might be bogus. It's the sort of bold action I might expect from the king, especially when you take into account that there are at least two really nuts-and-bolts type of players in the game.Skimmed the thread so I have something to think about, and this sticks out like whoa:So what did all your thinking amount to?
Really? I "might" be lying? That's it? You don't even care about that attack, since you forgot to even vote me over it.
Someone really wants the game to get to night.
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 10:23:44 am
No, I just forgot that my vote doesn't stick unless I refresh it.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 11:18:48 am
ToonyMan is being hostile and reacting to queries to expand on his earlier answers with shouting. This is not normal for him.Not normal?? Although general reads are nice, I like how it's similar to mine, but just different people in the "probably town, no read, probably scum" slots.
So... you're saying you won't tell me your role then, Deathsword?I have to agree with Deathsword here.
Ah, I'm just winding you up. Unvote for now.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 12:13:41 pm
*long sigh* I thought the deadline was yesterday, which would have meant the day would end before I could leave work. I didn't have much time yesterday, but I have more now.
Not normal?? Although general reads are nice, I like how it's similar to mine, but just different people in the "probably town, no read, probably scum" slots.Yeah, alright, you're just ticking me off. That's entirely normal.
Tiruin:
*long, long sigh* Yeah, you're right. I'm the one who's impatient. I'm under a lot of money-stress, and I'm angry because I feel trapped in my current situation. I'm just deflecting my own emotions onto ToonyMan (and in part, onto DS, too).ToonyMan. Do you think you could show a little more patience?What seems wrong with being enthusiastic that I see the Toony is?
Your vote seems like an OMGUS - however you're relating patience to...what now? That seems confusing. What I see it as, is that you're interpreting him wanting to get to day end by the definition of patience.
What's up?
Motherfucker. Let me get my shit together. Unvote.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 12:58:38 pm
@Hapah:
Why do you think Toaster is lying? Even if you took this at a pure probability run there's only a 1/6 chance he's being ballsy mafia.
@NQT:
Who do you think is King Mafia? I'm probably going to vote you if Ford makes a good shit-together recovery.
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2013, 01:21:06 pm
No, I just forgot that my vote doesn't stick unless I refresh it.
Yes, but-
...
Wait, what? I could have sworn that you just had to vote every 24 hours, not that the votes fell off if you didn't. Leafsnail, could you please clarify?
Still, you must not be looking very hard if you're voting me solely on a miller claim.
To be sure, I'm still voting NQT.
Toony:
@Hapah:
Why do you think Toaster is lying? Even if you took this at a pure probability run there's only a 1/6 chance he's being ballsy mafia.
Statistics are still a crappy thing to bring into a Mafia argument.
Post by: Solifuge on March 19, 2013, 01:21:42 pm
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 01:37:18 pm
No, you've got it right Toaster and I got it wrong. My bad.
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2013, 01:39:44 pm
Not voting: Hapah
So I don't know what's going on here. I was going off this on that post, but then didn't see an unvote from you, so I'm confused.
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 01:47:49 pm
Well crap, maybe you are right. Leaf will clear it up, or it might be listed in the rules.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 19, 2013, 02:04:41 pm
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?month=03&day=20&hour=00&min=00&sec=00&p0=136&msg=Day+1+deadline
Votecount (bolded must vote before deadline to avoid a prod):
notquitethere: Toaster, Deathsword
Captain Ford: ToonyMan, Tiruin
ToonyMan:
Deathsword:
Toaster: Hapah
Not voting: notquitethere, Captain Ford
Note that unvoting does not count as voting someone.
(Oh man, it's finally happening! Posting to watch)You can join too!
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 02:06:27 pm
PPE: Never mind.
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 02:11:14 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 02:27:16 pm
Toaster: I often find Toaster hard to read. So my thoughts on him are mostly utilitarian. Probably has a powerful role since miller was added as a balance. Last KotM he had a revive, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a part of his arsenal again.
ToonyMan: He's really getting on my nerves, but he did that in Viva La Revolucion, too. He's justified in giving NQT and Tiruin some leeway -- since I'm doing the same thing. I'm just not used to dealing with his playstyle.
Tiruin: The voice of reason. She often seems to understand me a lot better than I understand her.
Deathsword: Little time => little activity. A little rabid and OMGUSsy.
NQT: WIFOM. Rolefishing. Appeals to emotion. A lot of scumtells, but it correlates pretty well with his behavior in all his previous games. As a townie, his ability to identify scum is actually pretty strong, and he's not afraid of anyone. I feel he's worth keeping around.
Hapah: True to his name, he's the nice guy. He's being the least aggressive by far, but that's normal for him. I want to poke at him a bit more.
...man, I really wish I had more time. I've been swamped the past couple days and now I've got to make a decision I'm probably not going to be satisfied with. Ugh.
Toaster has the largest ping on my scumdar right now.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 02:29:55 pm
...and now I've got to make a decision I know I'm not going to be satisfied with. Ugh.Ugh x2. Used undo one too many times and didn't catch that until after I'd hit the post button.
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2013, 03:00:01 pm
Let's look at what he's done. He started out with his giant ball of rolefishing, then backed off it when everyone told him it was scummy. He then went off to this:
I start my new work today, so in case I don't get to vote later: Hapah, when in a game is it possible to first get reads on people?
A throwaway vote on Hapah that he never follows up on. Notably, he goes off on someone else (#91 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4113145#msg4113145)) and then unvotes Hapah (#96 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4113734#msg4113734)) before Hapah even answers it (#97 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4114153#msg4114153)). If he cared about it, why not go back to Hapah? He never responds to the question, so it's obvious he didn't care about it.
Then, like I said, he votes Deathsword without actually accusing him of anything. He backs off after Deathsword responds (who didn't really even have much to respond to) and hasn't done anything since. Not only does he completely lack suspicions at this point in the game, but one could say he's setting up a mislynch chain:
The scummiest thing I've seen is collectively the Deathsword-Tiruin-Ford dust up. That they're all so invested in it makes me think that one of them could be scum. My money's on DS for now.
It's easy for him to follow up on to the next one once one of them flips town.
Post by: Teneb on March 19, 2013, 04:04:25 pm
I'll try to get another post in in at least 30 minutes.
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 04:14:26 pm
It's easy for him to follow up on to the next one once one of them flips town.Not "if" one of them flips town?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 04:25:19 pm
Toaster:
Responding to your case:
1. NQT voted Hapah so he didn't run afoul of the antilurk system. Abandoning it when he had more time to think makes total sense.
2. He doesn't unvote Hapah in #96. He unvotes Deathsword.
3. The mislynch chain thing is pretty weak.
4. I can't fault him for not having solid suspicions at this point considering I'm in the same boat.
Ford: If you give NQT a free pass on multiple scumtells, what does he have to do to be guilty in your mind?Dunno. He hasn't done it yet.
I'd like to add that NQT getting dogpiled day 1 was pretty much a given. It's largely you that have characterized his actions as scumtells, I might add.
"If he's town he's useful" is not something you should justify not attacking someone on, and that includes myself.True.
PPE: Hapah (Interesting catch)
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 04:52:22 pm
What did strike me though when I had a good mull over the matter is that it was a very bold move to claim Miller, and one guaranteed to develop some WIFOM. Either you're scum making a gambit or a townmember that is impossible to read correctly with powers. Either way, you're too dangerous to live. You're toast, Toaster!
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2013, 05:24:38 pm
Ford: On #2: Oops. Still, my point stands- he never followed up on the question in any way, because he obviously didn't care two licks about it.
NQT: How is it bold? I have been a proponent of claiming miller in your very first game post for years (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=77045.msg1968678#msg1968678) now.
Post by: Toaster on March 19, 2013, 05:27:38 pm
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 05:33:24 pm
Hapah: Yes, one of them. You expect multiple people to flip town in a game with a single mafioso?I'm going to assume you meant scum instead of town, there. It doesn't make sense otherwise, I think.
And of course at least one of the two is town. But your reply makes it seems like you know for certain that the first one to flip will be town. Do you see how I could read it that way?
I don't see anything about Extends in the rules, but sure, Extend.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 05:56:01 pm
Either you're scum making a gambit or a townmember that is impossible to read correctly with powers. Either way, you're too dangerous to live. You're toast, Toaster!Nuh-uh. That's too far.
notquitethere.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:03:40 pm
Oh hey, we've got another hour until the deadline. Not as close as I thought it was.
So NQT, can you bring up a better case on Toaster in an hour?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:05:17 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 06:15:21 pm
I guess though if you do lynch me then town's reads on my play-style will improve and I'll maybe be able to play the next round more safely. If there is a next round.
(Also, I know I'm in the firing line but Oppose All Extensions: this is supposed to be a fast moving game not a snore-fest.)
Post by: Leafsnail on March 19, 2013, 06:22:50 pm
Tiruin still needs to vote.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:23:29 pm
Toaster.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 06:33:25 pm
Largely because of this:
Toony:Toaster NOT buddying me?? His response isn't even fully accurate with my statement.@Hapah:Statistics are still a crappy thing to bring into a Mafia argument.
Why do you think Toaster is lying? Even if you took this at a pure probability run there's only a 1/6 chance he's being ballsy mafia.
But then, Captain Ford is pretty good at defending scum too so that makes me think NQT, besides all of his scumtells.
Also, extend. I'm not getting lynched over people being too lazy to make a case.Somebody doesn't want to die, ehehehe
The day ends very shortly though so right now I'll vote NQT
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:34:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 06:36:28 pm
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 06:39:15 pm
So the vote is tied?
Post by: Teneb on March 19, 2013, 06:40:04 pm
Ford: why the sudden change of opinion on NQT? First you say he went too far, but when he appologizes you go "ok, I forgive you" and everything is suddenly pardoned?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 06:41:01 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 06:41:44 pm
Ppe- yes NQT and Toaster on 3, with Tiruin to vote.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 06:42:46 pm
You do realise that a day lynch is town's main weapon right? Or has accepted theory now swung to thinking no-lyches are hunky dory? Is Tiruin likely to turn up in the next 20 minutes?Dude, I don't want a no lynch either. I'd much rather see you die! Vote yourself or something.
Post by: Teneb on March 19, 2013, 06:43:10 pm
Either a vote needs to be shifted or someone has to unvote
Post by: Hapah on March 19, 2013, 06:43:34 pm
No way Tir will show up in 20, it's the early hours of the morning where she is at, I think.
Goddammit guys. Toaster, you got lucky. NQT.
Post by: Teneb on March 19, 2013, 06:44:02 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 06:45:06 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:45:37 pm
Mod, can we get a votecount?Honesty, mostly. He could have tried a lot of things, but he said something sane. That's a good thing in my book.
Ford: why the sudden change of opinion on NQT? First you say he went too far, but when he appologizes you go "ok, I forgive you" and everything is suddenly pardoned?
And woah. It got talky.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 06:46:19 pm
You'll regret this you monsters!See?? I can never tell if that's him town-yelling or scum-yelling his lose. Argh.
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 06:47:22 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:48:17 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:48:50 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 19, 2013, 06:49:09 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 19, 2013, 06:49:31 pm
More soberly, this might help me in the long run. Now you'll know what I look like when I play town in contrast to the only scum game I've played (in Mason Mafia).It is not a good idea to judge someone just on their meta. A player can exploit his/her meta to fool others.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 19, 2013, 06:51:05 pm
notquitethere: Toaster, Deathsword, ToonyMan, Hapah (4) <----- Hammered
Captain Ford: Tiruin
ToonyMan:
Deathsword:
Toaster: notquitethere, Captain Ford
Not voting: Nobody
Day end flavour coming soon. Note that no further votes will count.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 19, 2013, 06:53:21 pm
For the record, the things NQT was lynched on are things he's been doing as both town and scum. I found him town because I saw critical thought behind his words and actions.More soberly, this might help me in the long run. Now you'll know what I look like when I play town in contrast to the only scum game I've played (in Mason Mafia).It is not a good idea to judge someone just on their meta. A player can exploit his/her meta to fool others.
Post by: notquitethere on March 19, 2013, 06:55:48 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 19, 2013, 07:12:26 pm
"Comon, everyone!" He said, "Can't we just calm down and talk this through rationally? I mean-"
"Stop him!" shouted ToonyMan. Deathsword moved to grab NQT, but it was already too late - his attack was easily blocked, and NQT shifted form before he could strike again. Everyone in the room looked nervous - they knew that trying to fight NQT in this form was like trying to fight mist. A faint smile was visible on NQTs lips for just a moment before he seemed to vanish entirely.
His smile can't have lasted long though. There was a scream, and everyone turned to see a figure by the doorway illuminated in a blinding flash of light. In just a few seconds he was completely vaporized... it seemed like the "no escaping" rule was serious.
notquitethere has been lynched.
He was a Combined Roleblocker Changeling (town).
It is now night 1. Please send me any actions you wish to perform within the next 24 hours.
Notes: 1. There is no deadchat because dead players may rejoin the queue as soon as they die.
2. Killing abilities that were temporarily disabled for night 0 are now active.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 20, 2013, 01:27:28 pm
Lying next to him were some kind of explosive device and a syringe. He seemed to have some kind of elaborate plan to use these as leverage to ensure his victory, but he was callously prevented from even explaining it to the rest of you. And just as well - it seemed that a new round was starting. The King was, once again, dead.
Toaster has been killed.
He was a Dirty Bomber Kevorkian (mafia) and KING MAFIA.
Round 1 is now over.
Two new faces approach.
The Urist Imiknorris had lived underground for centuries. They had carved out a criminal empire the size of a small country, and yet had somehow managed to stay under the radar for so long. This event marked the leader's first public appearance.
Okami No Rei was merely a footsoldier for a minor gang just a few months prior to the competition, but he had risen through the ranks with astonishing speed and united previously squabbling factions. His supporters claimed that he had inherited some kind of "divine right" to lead.
The fight continued.
Urist Imiknorris has joined the game.
Okami No Rei has joined the game.
A new KING MAFIA has been randomly selected.
It is now Round 2, Day 2. With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch. The day will last about 54 hours, with an activity check 30 hours in.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 20, 2013, 01:30:15 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 20, 2013, 01:48:43 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 20, 2013, 02:27:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 20, 2013, 02:30:45 pm
Wake up to see the night.
Then this happens XD
Ok, post in the later morning because I've drawn (pun intended >.>) myself tired. Gah GIMP.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 02:42:51 pm
Sleep well, Tiruin, there's much more work to be done...
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 04:30:02 pm
HahahaWhat's so funny, Toony? Are you the new king?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 20, 2013, 04:46:54 pm
PFPNo, Toaster was #2 lynch pick last day and then he got killed anyway. Notice how no town died, so he must have been blocked AND vigged or something like that.HahahaWhat's so funny, Toony? Are you the new king?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 05:46:35 pm
Unvote. More when I get home.
Post by: Hapah on March 20, 2013, 06:13:56 pm
Toony: It could have been a doctor or reflection as well, yeah?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 20, 2013, 06:39:30 pm
Something like that, all right. I'm sure you had nothing to do with it. *tight-lipped smile*You shouldn't reveal your role so much, it'll be harder to fakeclaim when you're King Mafia.
Toony: It could have been a doctor or reflection as well, yeah?Yes, if reflection is when you get redirected onto yourself then that is also very possible. The "or something" is there for a reason!
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 20, 2013, 07:16:54 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 20, 2013, 07:17:01 pm
ToonyMan - When were you planning on telling us you had two votes?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hapah - You voted Toaster from the beginning, and never let your vote move. Who's our scum this time?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 07:23:09 pm
Mod: Is that votecount accurate?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 20, 2013, 07:36:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 20, 2013, 07:36:05 pm
ToonyMan - When were you planning on telling us you had two votes?I don't have two votes.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Quadressence on March 20, 2013, 08:10:50 pm
Hi. Sorry to barge in, but can I bet on this game? Because I have my money on Toonyman. Toaster, I would bet on you, but you're too townie to win. Your planning works really well with a team, though!
*She looks away from the group, kicking the floor with her hands behind her back.*
Sooooo, yeah. Okay, see ya!
*She bolts behind the wall, returning to her fortified position.*
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 08:14:53 pm
...fuck me. It does look like I revealed something, doesn't it. It sounded completely different to my suger-addled brain (damn my coworkers for being such good bakers).Something like that, all right. I'm sure you had nothing to do with it. *tight-lipped smile*You shouldn't reveal your role so much, it'll be harder to fakeclaim when you're King Mafia.
What I meant by that was, "Good response. I am, of course, curious as to whether or not you had a part in it, but we both know I wouldn't get anywhere by asking."
Nailed it.Totally. *fist bump*
There's a reflection ability? I missed that.Toony: It could have been a doctor or reflection as well, yeah?Yes, if reflection is when you get redirected onto yourself then that is also very possible. The "or something" is there for a reason!
PPE: ...Quadressence?!?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 20, 2013, 08:17:18 pm
Post by: Quadressence on March 20, 2013, 08:20:38 pm
You're not really meant to post in games you aren't playing! Can't stop you from betting thoughEep! I didn't mean to disturb the game! I was just strolling through and figured I'd root for who I think would win. Not that you aren't all good players. Just that I think Toonyman will win.
Soooooooo, yeah. Okay, bye for reals!
Post by: ToonyMan on March 20, 2013, 08:23:08 pm
Spoiler: OOG (click to show/hide)
Deathsword, are you the King Mafia now? Of course you are.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 20, 2013, 08:48:12 pm
What I meant by that was, "Good response. I am, of course, curious as to whether or not you had a part in it, but we both know I wouldn't get anywhere by asking."Didn't y'all just lynch NQT for, among other things, rolefishing? What makes you think it's OK now?
Tsk, tsk. Buddying now, too. It's almost like you want us to think you're scum. Is that what you want, Captain Ford?Nailed it.Totally. *fist bump*
Clearly I need to just go to bed, since I somehow failed to notice that Hapah hammered NQT last round. So, VERY LATE EDIT:
Hapah - You voted Toaster from the beginning, and never let your vote move until the tie forced you to hammer against your better judgement. Who's our scum this time?
Post by: Teneb on March 20, 2013, 08:55:31 pm
No.Spoiler: OOG (click to show/hide)
Deathsword, are you the King Mafia now? Of course you are.
Sometimes a randomization can cause a player to target themselves as well.There's a reflection ability? I missed that.Toony: It could have been a doctor or reflection as well, yeah?Yes, if reflection is when you get redirected onto yourself then that is also very possible. The "or something" is there for a reason!
Okami: if you think Ford is both rolefishing and buddying, why just an FoS?
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 20, 2013, 09:02:54 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 09:49:32 pm
Umm...correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is the opposite of what I said.What I meant by that was, "Good response. I am, of course, curious as to whether or not you had a part in it, but we both know I wouldn't get anywhere by asking."Didn't y'all just lynch NQT for, among other things, rolefishing? What makes you think it's OK now?
For a direct answer: Yes we did, and nothing.
Tsk, tsk. Buddying now, too. It's almost like you want us to think you're scum. Is that what you want, Captain Ford?No.
Yo, Urist: If you entered this game as a miller, would you claim?
Okami No Rei: If you had a mason role, who would you recruit as your buddy today? Why?
Quad:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hapah on March 20, 2013, 10:35:35 pm
Okami: I'm still chargin' mah scum detector beam. I'll have to think on it a bit.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 20, 2013, 10:55:12 pm
Toony: Why do you get a fanclub and I don't?I think it's because he reminds her of her idol, Org.
Post by: Quadressence on March 20, 2013, 11:40:06 pm
Toony: Why do you get a fanclub and I don't?I think it's because he reminds her of her idol, Org.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
))) (Which is good, because defense isn't his specialty. Look at his duel with Webadict, who correctly chose to counter-aggress his target! If the tables had been turned and Webadict been mafia, it would have surely ended in Toonyman's favor!)
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 21, 2013, 06:08:15 am
That makes it subtle rolefishing in the form of reverse psychology.Didn't y'all just lynch NQT for, among other things, rolefishing? What makes you think it's OK now?Umm...correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is the opposite of what I said.
For a direct answer: Yes we did, and nothing.
So why do you want to be on Hapah's good side? Why would you be pushing that sense of camaraderie from the Toaster Takedown?Tsk, tsk. Buddying now, too. It's almost like you want us to think you're scum. Is that what you want, Captain Ford?No.
Okami No Rei: If you had a mason role, who would you recruit as your buddy today? Why?I'd pick Hapah. I am fairly certain that he has an inspect, since he tunneled Toaster in Round 1 and probably only let himself switch because the Miller claim threw doubt on the accuracy of his inspection.
Hapah - This is speculation on my part. Please don't confirm or deny this.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 21, 2013, 06:13:45 am
Urist Imiknorris - If you had to hammer last round, who would you have picked, and why?
I don't have two votes.Of course you don't. Of course that had to be a mod error.
*kicks something*
Off to work now. I'll monitor the thread, but I'll be PFP if I post at all until this evening.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2013, 06:35:31 am
Got fairly busy today...especially given my wake up time...My apologies :/
((Oh sure. Pick ToonyMan :IToony: Why do you get a fanclub and I don't?I think it's because he reminds her of her idol, Org.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Which I do agree, he's quite more amiable nowadays :P))
PS: Love how you viewed everyone before even posting in the board - that's good use of knowledge right there.
Toony: Why do you get a fanclub and I don't?You serious bro? @_@
Tiruin: Are you excited for the new round?..That this is already the new round, yeah. Why?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 21, 2013, 08:44:20 am
Urist Imiknorris - If you had to hammer last round, who would you have picked, and why?NQT for being the only one in hammer range.
Captain Ford:
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Yo, Urist: If you entered this game as a miller, would you claim?Yes. Also I'd be pissed.
Tiruin:
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..That this is already the new round, yeah. Why?Because not being excited would be kind of a town tell.
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Aghhh, must vote. Placeholder - Ford, I believe you're adding third party players in suspect of ToonyMan, eh?Where was he doing this?
Hapah: Why are you whining about not having a fan club?
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2013, 08:57:17 am
Tiruin:@First: Kind of a null tell actually - dependant on the person's personality. For me, tis a new round, new faces, new people, new tentative KotM candidate.Quote..That this is already the new round, yeah. Why?Because not being excited would be kind of a town tell.QuoteAghhh, must vote. Placeholder - Ford, I believe you're adding third party players in suspect of ToonyMan, eh?Where was he doing this?
Hapah: Why are you whining about not having a fan club?
Its not like everyone should be that apathetic and then be likened to town >.>
@Second: Placeholder vote because of technical anti-lurk system. That's me poking at him for getting Quadressence to post.
Because I've re-read all those pages now. The joy of sleeping while everyone else is partying...Hold up while I get my post.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2013, 09:24:04 am
This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4114292#msg4114292) had you vote for apparent technical reasons.
Ford: ((What votecount (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4118985#msg4118985)? The day just started.
Read-edit: Oops, saw it on Okami's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4118970#msg4118970) post. I assumed the day ended via timer...as LS didn't post it down at day end.))
Ok...I dunno what's up with all that.
Quote from: LS' first post of the game
With 7 players alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.
> This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4116098#msg4116098) is right.
So what were you and Okami thinking?
Okami: Boiling a frog?! Also, what'cha doin' with that false votecount, bro?
Spoiler: Deathsword OOC (click to show/hide)
Lastly. Miller =/= town-ish tell (Toaster was scum.). Yay for breaking unwritten code!
Post by: ToonyMan on March 21, 2013, 11:00:09 am
Okay.No.Deathsword, are you the King Mafia now? Of course you are.Spoiler: OOG (click to show/hide)
Toony: Why do you get a fanclub and I don't?Anime avatar.
I'm not sure if Captain Ford's question even matters here, because I'm pretty sure you can't recruit the King Mafia to your little club and with a new round started Hapah (or anyone) can easily be "the one" now.Okami No Rei: If you had a mason role, who would you recruit as your buddy today? Why?I'd pick Hapah. I am fairly certain that he has an inspect, since he tunneled Toaster in Round 1 and probably only let himself switch because the Miller claim threw doubt on the accuracy of his inspection.
Hapah - This is speculation on my part. Please don't confirm or deny this.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 21, 2013, 11:55:47 am
Urist Imiknorris - Not quite what I meant. Hapah had to switch votes in order to hammer NQT, because Tiruin wasn't there to break the tie. Would you have hammered Toaster or NQT had you been in Tiruin's position?Urist Imiknorris - If you had to hammer last round, who would you have picked, and why?NQT for being the only one in hammer range.
So what were you and Okami thinking?Tiruin - To the second, I quoted the votecount before Leafsnail edited it. Toony originally showed two votes on that count. I thought he'd slipped up and revealed part of his role by not unvoting first, but it was just a mod error.
Okami: Boiling a frog?! Also, what'cha doin' with that false votecount, bro?
To the first, do you know how to boil a live frog? Look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog) and see if that answers your question.
I'm not sure if Captain Ford's question even matters here, because I'm pretty sure you can't recruit the King Mafia to your little club and with a new round started Hapah (or anyone) can easily be "the one" now.Recruiting as a mason carries the same risk now as it does any other time. If you miss your guess and try to recruit the King, you die. The only downside is that Mason only confirms town for one round, since afterward any of the masons recruited that round could roll KING MAFIA. I consider that a risk worth taking to get a possible Inspect. Worst that can happen is I die and go to the back of the line.
Relevant rules from the first post:
*snip**snip*Spoiler: Largish rules for choosing a role (click to show/hide)
MOD: Can a Mason Leader who is also KING MAFIA still recruit masons? If so, will the recruited masons be (falsely) informed that the one who recruited them is town?
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2013, 12:09:26 pm
To the first, do you know how to boil a live frog? Look it up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog) and see if that answers your question.Oh I know that process, however you didn't say it was live sir, oh no. You said frog, in general :I
Regardless, I...really don't get how that certain type of allegory (hope I used this right) matches your reason for FoS'ing the Captain here, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4119187#msg4119187) though...it looks like you're trying to make some case over a trivial joke they have. A nice joke, somewhat disconcerting in a way, yeah, but...that's quite deep thinking over a superficial idea. Huh.
You're saying what he'd do if he was asleep? :P Or if he carried the votebreaker? Disregard, I'm just poking at this.Urist Imiknorris - Not quite what I meant. Hapah had to switch votes in order to hammer NQT, because Tiruin wasn't there to break the tie. Would you have hammered Toaster or NQT had you been in Tiruin's position?Urist Imiknorris - If you had to hammer last round, who would you have picked, and why?NQT for being the only one in hammer range.
Because yeah, I was asleep. Long before stuff happened about Toaster and NQT.
To add:
MOD: Can a Mason Leader who is also KING MAFIA still recruit masons? If so, will the recruited masons be (falsely) informed that the one who recruited them is town?What will this type of role show up on investigations?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 21, 2013, 12:55:55 pm
MOD: Can a Mason Leader who is also KING MAFIA still recruit masons? If so, will the recruited masons be (falsely) informed that the one who recruited them is town?Yes, the Mason Leader can recruit regardless of his alignment. Masons are not told anything about each other's alignment, but masons who are recruited are effectively confirmed town for one round.
Post by: Tiruin on March 21, 2013, 01:17:20 pm
Quadressence: please don't post here if you aren't a living player. You're welcome to join if you really want to talk here.I think she stopped as said in her last spoiler :P
Mod
Yes, the Mason Leader can recruit regardless of his alignment. Masons are not told anything about each other's alignment, but masons who are recruited are effectively confirmed town for one round.Do masons know each other upon recruitment and who recruited them here? (excuse me if any of this is mentioned but it seems different given this context).
Also, would a Mason Leader still appear as non-town upon investigation?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 21, 2013, 02:47:15 pm
Aghhh, must vote. Placeholder - Ford, I believe you're adding third party players in suspect of ToonyMan, eh?
@Second: Placeholder vote because of technical anti-lurk system. That's me poking at him for getting Quadressence to post.Uhh...what? Are you somehow holding me responsible for Quad's actions?
There's no way I could have predicted she would do that, or how she would react. And how could interactions with her have any meaning in the context of the game anyway?
Urist Imiknorris:
Yes. Also I'd be pissed.No doubt. Unvote.
Okami No Rei:
That makes it subtle rolefishing in the form of reverse psychology.Of course. My brilliant plan to fish out Toony's role is to not ask him about it.
No, that's stupid.
So why do you want to be on Hapah's good side? Why would you be pushing that sense of camaraderie from the Toaster Takedown?1. Why wouldn't I want to be on his good side? No seriously. This is a dumb question.
2. Because it kicked ass.
I'd pick Hapah. I am fairly certain that he has an inspect, since he tunneled Toaster in Round 1 and probably only let himself switch because the Miller claim threw doubt on the accuracy of his inspection....really. You pick Hapah on the basis of an ability you suspect him to have, and not because he correctly picked out the king?
Sounds to me like you're scum scanning for threats. I can't imagine anyone drawing that conclusion unless they were specifically trying to figure out who had investigative roles. Okami No Rei.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 21, 2013, 03:31:00 pm
That is pretty compelling. I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.I'd pick Hapah. I am fairly certain that he has an inspect, since he tunneled Toaster in Round 1 and probably only let himself switch because the Miller claim threw doubt on the accuracy of his inspection....really. You pick Hapah on the basis of an ability you suspect him to have, and not because he correctly picked out the king?
Sounds to me like you're scum scanning for threats. I can't imagine anyone drawing that conclusion unless they were specifically trying to figure out who had investigative roles. Okami No Rei.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 21, 2013, 03:33:10 pm
That seems like a pretty bad thing!I'm not sure if Captain Ford's question even matters here, because I'm pretty sure you can't recruit the King Mafia to your little club and with a new round started Hapah (or anyone) can easily be "the one" now.Recruiting as a mason carries the same risk now as it does any other time. If you miss your guess and try to recruit the King, you die. The only downside is that Mason only confirms town for one round, since afterward any of the masons recruited that round could roll KING MAFIA. I consider that a risk worth taking to get a possible Inspect. Worst that can happen is I die and go to the back of the line.
Post by: Teneb on March 21, 2013, 03:56:54 pm
I'm boiling the frog.What is this? Because I can assure you it's not an answer to this:
Okami: if you think Ford is both rolefishing and buddying, why just an FoS?Answer it
WIFOMOkami No Rei: If you had a mason role, who would you recruit as your buddy today? Why?I'd pick Hapah. I am fairly certain that he has an inspect, since he tunneled Toaster in Round 1 and probably only let himself switch because the Miller claim threw doubt on the accuracy of his inspection.
Hapah - This is speculation on my part. Please don't confirm or deny this.Why? Afraid he'll expose your WIFOM for what it is?
Were you angry at this point because you could no longer use that to drive a lynch on Toony?I don't have two votes.Of course you don't. Of course that had to be a mod error.
*kicks something*
Are you claiming Mason Leader here?I'm not sure if Captain Ford's question even matters here, because I'm pretty sure you can't recruit the King Mafia to your little club and with a new round started Hapah (or anyone) can easily be "the one" now.Recruiting as a mason carries the same risk now as it does any other time. If you miss your guess and try to recruit the King, you die. The only downside is that Mason only confirms town for one round, since afterward any of the masons recruited that round could roll KING MAFIA. I consider that a risk worth taking to get a possible Inspect. Worst that can happen is I die and go to the back of the line.
Relevant rules from the first post:*snip**snip*Spoiler: Largish rules for choosing a role (click to show/hide)
Ford also makes a very good point
I'd pick Hapah. I am fairly certain that he has an inspect, since he tunneled Toaster in Round 1 and probably only let himself switch because the Miller claim threw doubt on the accuracy of his inspection....really. You pick Hapah on the basis of an ability you suspect him to have, and not because he correctly picked out the king?
Sounds to me like you're scum scanning for threats. I can't imagine anyone drawing that conclusion unless they were specifically trying to figure out who had investigative roles. Okami No Rei.
This was in response to somebody's (can't remember who) question as to wheter you would appear before Day1 ended, since at the time the votes were tied and you were the only one not voting.Spoiler: Deathsword OOC (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 21, 2013, 04:03:24 pm
@First: Kind of a null tell actually - dependant on the person's personality. For me, tis a new round, new faces, new people, new tentative KotM candidate.Well yeah, but townies have the possible factor of "Oh, I'm not King. Damn." to drag down their excitement, whereas I don't believe the King has a similarly enthusiasm-dampening potential outlook.
Basically, being excited is a null tell, but being meh would have been a town tell.
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That's me poking at him for getting Quadressence to post.Oh, that kind of third party. The fourth-wall breaking kind.
Okami No Rei: I'd still have hammered NQT. NQT spent the majority of the day doing some serious rolefishing. Additionally, the votes on Toaster were for claiming miller, for possibly having a powerful role, and a bandwagon by NQT, and I'm against letting people get away with lynching over trivialities.
Speaking of which, Toony, shame on you for putting someone at L-1 because "I think I'll add pressure."
Deathsword: Nice quickhammer bro. Looks like those questions of yours will go unanswered.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 21, 2013, 04:29:55 pm
Urist Imiknorris: Okami No Rei (1)
ToonyMan: Hapah (1)
Hapah: Urist Imiknorris (1)
Okami No Rei: Tiruin, Captain Ford, ToonyMan, Deathsword (4) <----Hammered
Day end flavour coming soon. Note that no further votes count after a hammer.
Do masons know each other upon recruitment and who recruited them here? (excuse me if any of this is mentioned but it seems different given this context).They know who the other recruited masons are, and they would presumably be able to tell from the quicktopic who the recruiter was.
Also, would a Mason Leader still appear as non-town upon investigation?The Recruiting Mason role has no effect on investigations at all.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 21, 2013, 04:39:49 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 21, 2013, 04:40:18 pm
He fell to the ground, his flesh burnt to a crisp. And then he got up again as if nothing was wrong. A deathly hush fell over those gathered there as he once again smiled at them.
Okami No Rei has been lynched.
Okami No Rei has returned to life!
It is now night 2. Please send me any actions you wish to perform within the next 24 hours.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 22, 2013, 07:21:03 pm
Hapah leaders were well-known for having strange hobbies, but this one seemed to take it further than most. The red clothes and sack seemed to make it clear that he had been intent on delivering gifts that night. Furthermore he appeared to have been carrying an empty can of gasoline.
It seemed that he wasn't KING MAFIA, but perhaps the other leaders felt safer with him dead.
Hapah has been killed.
He was an Arsonist Santa (town).
It is now Day 3. With 6 alive it takes 4 votes to lynch.
Activity requirements are not enforced over the weekend. The day will last for 48 hours after the weekend finishes.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 22, 2013, 07:28:34 pm
Speaking of which, Toony, shame on you for putting someone at L-1 because "I think I'll add pressure."Sorry, I thought that would put him at L-2 and didn't think Deathsword would just hammer him 30 minutes later.
Okami's still alive though so it sort of works out.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 22, 2013, 07:49:45 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think we all pretty much forgot about Tiruin's vote on Okami. By the flow of the posting, it's pretty damn obvious that it was a simple blunder.
In any case, Okami, now you can answer those questions from yesterday.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 22, 2013, 08:10:01 pm
Of course. My brilliant plan to fish out Toony's role is to not ask him about it.Yup, stupid.
No, that's stupid.
1. Why wouldn't I want to be on his good side? No seriously. This is a dumb question.Aye, dumb question, and it did kick ass.
2. Because it kicked ass.
This is why I hate RVS (Or pseudo-RVS, in this case). Everybody gets all uptight when you're questioning them over stupid stuff, when there's really nothing else to question anybody over. You only ever pinged maybe a 2/10 on my Scumdar(TM) with those things, which normally wouldn't merit more than passing attention, but when everyone else is sitting at 0/10 or 1/10, the only thing to do is keep conversation going.
...really. You pick Hapah on the basis of an ability you suspect him to have, and not because he correctly picked out the king?You've got your logic turned around there. I picked Hapah because he correctly picked out the king, which means he got lucky, or he knows something. I don't believe in luck, not in this game, so that leaves him knowing something. So, he has an inspection, or he's damn good at finding scum. Both are pluses I'd look for in a potential fellow mason.
Sounds to me like you're scum scanning for threats. I can't imagine anyone drawing that conclusion unless they were specifically trying to figure out who had investigative roles.Sounds to me like I'm evaluating everyone from the perspective of a Recruiting Mason. You know, the premise of the original question that started this line of conversation. The question that you yourself asked me. Of all people, you're the one I shouldn't have to explain this to. So why are you ignoring your own question in order to devise a reason for me to be scum, Captain Ford?
Toony Man
Sorry, I thought that would put him at L-2 and didn't think Deathsword would just hammer him 30 minutes later.Both you and Deathsword were, apparently, not thinking. Or you're scum jumping on an easy lynch. Why shouldn't I believe the latter?
Okami's still alive though so it sort of works out.
That seems like a pretty bad thing!A very bad thing, but I don't believe in playing this game conservatively.
Deathsword
Okami No ReiLet me guess? You didn't even realize you were hammering with that vote?
I don't believe it.
What is this? Because I can assure you it's not an answer to this:Let me spell it out for you.Okami: if you think Ford is both rolefishing and buddying, why just an FoS?Answer it
When I scumhunt, I work with what I have. I didn't think Captain Ford was scum, he just happened to have dropped statements that were, by some stretch of the imagination, interpretable as scummy. So I started a two-pronged attack. On the one hand, I was getting the Captain to talk, which may or may not yield fruit, and on the other hand I was fishing for reactions from others by pushing hard on minimal evidence. This sets the stage for either a Captain Ford bandwagon as scum jump on my investigation with nothing solid of their own, or an Okami No Rei bandwagon as white knight scum seek to defend him against my unjust assault, tripping over themselves in their eagerness to get an easy lynch.
What this looks like, to those who aren't in on the strategy, is a string of progressively more heated, loosely justified attacks on an individual during RVS, a situation analogous to slowly heating a frog. It's my favored method of starting the game, because it tends to end RVS relatively quickly.
WIFOMThis is a game of information, and more information for everybody is invariably good. If you ask me a theoretical question, as Captain Ford did, I will give the question thorough consideration, and answer it fully based on my current understanding of the situation. If the unknown variables in said situation make the whole exercise look like WiFoM to you, then I say that's a problem with my own inability to distinguish WiFoM from gameplay analysis (a distinction I've never cared for, nor indeed pay any attention to).
Why? Afraid he'll expose your WIFOM for what it is?My request for Hapah not to confirm or deny my speculation was there to make it explicitly clear that my speculation was not in any way an invitation or a request for him to reveal any information about his role. While I'm sure he has the necessary judgement to be discreet on the matter, I did not want to take chances on even the slightest misinterpretation of my intent. Thus the ham-handed request.
Were you angry at this point because you could no longer use that to drive a lynch on Toony?I was angry because what I hoped would be an interesting line of conversation was cut short.
Are you claiming Mason Leader here?Nonsense. Captain Ford just asked me to pretend to be a Recruiting Mason as an RVS question, so I did.
Okami No Rei: I'd still have hammered NQT. NQT spent the majority of the day doing some serious rolefishing. Additionally, the votes on Toaster were for claiming miller, for possibly having a powerful role, and a bandwagon by NQT, and I'm against letting people get away with lynching over trivialities.Thank you.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 22, 2013, 08:42:56 pm
ToonyManThat wouldn't make sense, there's only one scum and I can't hope that Deathsword would blunder and quickhammer you. Also scary FoS there. OooOooO Okami Okami OkamiSorry, I thought that would put him at L-2 and didn't think Deathsword would just hammer him 30 minutes later.Both you and Deathsword were, apparently, not thinking. Or you're scum jumping on an easy lynch. Why shouldn't I believe the latter?
Okami's still alive though so it sort of works out.
I think it's just because you had a revive. Were you aware you had a revive?That seems like a pretty bad thing!A very bad thing, but I don't believe in playing this game conservatively.
Post by: Teneb on March 22, 2013, 08:43:57 pm
DeathswordYou don't have to believe it. At the moment I thought it would take 5 to hammer, not 4.Okami No ReiLet me guess? You didn't even realize you were hammering with that vote?
I don't believe it.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 22, 2013, 08:49:31 pm
After the break Toaster's body was found lying dead in the middle of the room. His body seemed to have been burned by the self-immolation kit carried by Toaster leaders.
Lying next to him were some kind of explosive device and a syringe. He seemed to have some kind of elaborate plan to use these as leverage to ensure his victory, but he was callously prevented from even explaining it to the rest of you. And just as well - it seemed that a new round was starting. The King was, once again, dead.
Toaster has been killed.
Nailed it.From here I'm pretty sure that Hapah primed Toaster. It would explain how Toaster died.
Wait...not because you didn't count up the votes right??DeathswordYou don't have to believe it. At the moment I thought it would take 5 to hammer, not 4.Okami No ReiLet me guess? You didn't even realize you were hammering with that vote?
I don't believe it.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 22, 2013, 09:09:47 pm
That wouldn't make sense, there's only one scum and I can't hope that Deathsword would blunder and quickhammer you. Also scary FoS there. OooOooO Okami Okami OkamiSomehow, all three of you forgot that the mason discussion was kicked off by Captain Ford's RVS question. That means at least two of you weren't paying attention, and one of you is probably scum. Captain Ford is just the most culpable since it was his question in the first place.
Anyway, as for you being scum, I'll give you that you can't hope for DS, or anyone else, to blunder and quickhammer, but Captain Ford did put together a rather compelling argument before I came back to pick it apart. I see no reason not to believe that scum wouldn't open me up for hammering on the off chance that somebody in the town would get impatient, decide that they've seen enough, and hammer deliberately.
I think it's just because you had a revive. Were you aware you had a revive?No, I was not aware of it before, and I have not since received any information that would cast light on it.
You don't have to believe it. At the moment I thought it would take 5 to hammer, not 4.And who, pray tell, are the other two people in this suddenly nine-player game?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 22, 2013, 09:11:01 pm
You've got your logic turned around there. I picked Hapah because he correctly picked out the king, which means he got lucky, or he knows something. I don't believe in luck, not in this game, soWhat you said just now is not the same as what you said before. Your original answer focused entirely on him having an inspect. You never mentioned that his effectiveness in hunting scum was a factor.
that leaves him knowing something. So, he has an inspection, or he's damn good at finding scum. Both are pluses I'd look for in a potential fellow mason.
Tell me how I'm not supposed to interpret "I'm fairly certain he has an inspect" as you picking him because you think he has an inspect?
So why are you ignoring your own question in order to devise a reason for me to be scum, Captain Ford?I'm not. There was zero evidence of Hapah having an inspect. He didn't show any suspicion of Toaster until after Toaster claimed miller. He only unvoted with 20 minutes to spare, and he was clearly very reluctant to do so.
On top of that, you don't have to be cop to know what result you would have gotten on Toaster last night. As soon as Toaster claimed miller, any inspect results on him would have been thrown right out the window.
Also, you're objectively wrong, since he's flipped now.
You appeared to be looking for someone with an inspect and molding the evidence to fit your theory, rather than actually trying to draw conclusions from the evidence. It struck me that you might have already drawn that conclusion while looking for threats and simply reused it in this answer. It otherwise doesn't make any sense to me, as I explained above.
Spoiler: Boiling the Frog (click to show/hide)
PPE: Okami
Post by: Captain Ford on March 22, 2013, 09:11:52 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 22, 2013, 09:12:27 pm
No, I was not aware of it before, and I have not since received any private information that would cast light on it.It may have been a gift from our Arsonist Santa.
Post by: Hapah on March 22, 2013, 09:13:28 pm
Spoiler: I'LL BE BACK (click to show/hide)
Post by: Captain Ford on March 22, 2013, 09:21:47 pm
Okami: Had a thought.
I asked you those questions for the purpose of clarification. It was in the early stages of the day. What makes you think I was aiming for a lynch on you and not simply pressuring you?
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 22, 2013, 10:23:31 pm
I picked him because I thought he had an inspect. That was the important bit. You asked for clarification, so I clarified. I don't see the problem here.You've got your logic turned around there. I picked Hapah because he correctly picked out the king, which means he got lucky, or he knows something. I don't believe in luck, not in this game, soWhat you said just now is not the same as what you said before. Your original answer focused entirely on him having an inspect. You never mentioned that his effectiveness in hunting scum was a factor.
that leaves him knowing something. So, he has an inspection, or he's damn good at finding scum. Both are pluses I'd look for in a potential fellow mason.
Tell me how I'm not supposed to interpret "I'm fairly certain he has an inspect" as you picking him because you think he has an inspect?
I disagree with the idea that inspect results on a claimed miller should go right out the window in a role-heavy game. Anyway, where you see "zero evidence", I see a behavior pattern that makes him significantly more probable as the best choice for a Mason Recruit. Just because he's the best option, doesn't mean he's a great one, or even necessarily a good one. Your question was "If you had a mason role, who would you recruit as your buddy today?", not "If you had a mason role, would you recruit anyone as your buddy today?".So why are you ignoring your own question in order to devise a reason for me to be scum, Captain Ford?I'm not. There was zero evidence of Hapah having an inspect. He didn't show any suspicion of Toaster until after Toaster claimed miller. He only unvoted with 20 minutes to spare, and he was clearly very reluctant to do so.
On top of that, you don't have to be cop to know what result you would have gotten on Toaster last night. As soon as Toaster claimed miller, any inspect results on him would have been thrown right out the window.
Also, you're objectively wrong, since he's flipped now.I've been wrong before. I'll be wrong again. New data, new analysis.
I asked you those questions for the purpose of clarification. It was in the early stages of the day. What makes you think I was aiming for a lynch on you and not simply pressuring you?You apparently disregarded your own question, and took my answer out of context. I'm satisfied with explanation for this here:
You appeared to be looking for someone with an inspect and molding the evidence to fit your theory, rather than actually trying to draw conclusions from the evidence. It struck me that you might have already drawn that conclusion while looking for threats and simply reused it in this answer. It otherwise doesn't make any sense to me, as I explained above.Unvote. As a Mason, I have the unique opportunity to confirm someone as town with a successful recruit. That means whatever information they provide is inherently trustworthy. If I were to try to recruit a Vigilante, a Doctor, or a Roleblocker, all they could tell me is who they targeted. They may pay off in the long run, but they may also get lynched or mafiakilled at any time. A Cop, on the other hand (one who hasn't yet claimed), has inspect results available right then and there. That increases their value sufficiently that I feel it would be foolish, as a mason, to try and recruit anyone else. So you see, asking me to evaluate potential buddies from a mason's perspective is effectively the same as asking me who I think is a cop.
No insult was intended. I was more concerned with the process of boiling a frog than with the disposition of the frog itself, which is a variable outside of my control. That said, no metaphor is perfect, and this one had the intended effect of getting reactions from Deathsword.Spoiler: Boiling the Frog (click to show/hide)
Deathsword - Your explanation so far is "I knew it was a 7 player game, and I knew that I was the 4th vote on you, but I failed to put 2 and 2 together." Do I have that right? Why do you think that's a good enough excuse for lynching me?
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 22, 2013, 10:41:54 pm
You apparently disregarded your own question, and took my answer out of context. I'm satisfied with your explanation for this here:
Tiruin - Looks like you missed all the action again.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 23, 2013, 04:06:28 am
Now I've been disabled and swapped with someone who is definitely not a disabler.
Post by: Tiruin on March 23, 2013, 05:23:18 am
EBWOPYeah I did >.>You apparently disregarded your own question, and took my answer out of context. I'm satisfied with your explanation for this here:
Tiruin - Looks like you missed all the action again.
And now I've to catch up with what you all did before...well. That.
UI
Toony: I was the Purple Goo Magistrate who pardoned Okami about a minute before Deathsword hammered, so it really works out.Err...Deathsword was town then. Seeing the new round, you've no question for him other than this? Wait, not a question but a...statement. Ok...
Now I've been disabled and swapped with someone who is definitely not a disabler.
Also, out of all the people voting for Okami, why DS? How does it work out?
...You claimed, why? And why exactly did you pardon Okami?
Also, why mention the last line of your post when Purple Goo translates to "Switch me and you if you touch me!"
Tiruin:I point at the word "placeholder". And yeeesss, I hold you responsible for Quad's actions. Yes indeed.Aghhh, must vote. Placeholder - Ford, I believe you're adding third party players in suspect of ToonyMan, eh?@Second: Placeholder vote because of technical anti-lurk system. That's me poking at him for getting Quadressence to post.Uhh...what? Are you somehow holding me responsible for Quad's actions?
There's no way I could have predicted she would do that, or how she would react. And how could interactions with her have any meaning in the context of the game anyway?
EBWOPBut santas give one-shot actions...So how can this relate to private information? I mean, the only one-shot I can think about that gives such is an investigate.No, I was not aware of it before, and I have not since received any private information that would cast light on it.It may have been a gift from our Arsonist Santa.
And UI says it all.
Deathsword - Your explanation so far is "I knew it was a 7 player game, and I knew that I was the 4th vote on you, but I failed to put 2 and 2 together." Do I have that right? Why do you think that's a good enough excuse for lynching me?Other than personal mistake, I wonder why or how this pertains to how DS behaved...Because personal mistake seems like the most probable answer given what he said.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 23, 2013, 06:33:59 am
So they are. Apparently (Auto)gift is also a night action. So much for that. How it relates to private information? I meant I received no PMs from the mod regarding the revive.EBWOPBut santas give one-shot actions...So how can this relate to private information? I mean, the only one-shot I can think about that gives such is an investigate.No, I was not aware of it before, and I have not since received any private information that would cast light on it.It may have been a gift from our Arsonist Santa.
You can get away with a making mistakes in a Beginner's Mafia.Deathsword - Your explanation so far is "I knew it was a 7 player game, and I knew that I was the 4th vote on you, but I failed to put 2 and 2 together." Do I have that right? Why do you think that's a good enough excuse for lynching me?Other than personal mistake, I wonder why or how this pertains to how DS behaved...Because personal mistake seems like the most probable answer given what he said.
This is King of the Mafia.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 23, 2013, 06:40:35 am
Err...Deathsword was town then. Seeing the new round, you've no question for him other than this? Wait, not a question but a...statement. Ok...How do you know Deathsword is town? And I'm voting him because he hammered Okami basically immediately.
Also, out of all the people voting for Okami, why DS? How does it work out?
...You claimed, why? And why exactly did you pardon Okami?
Also, why mention the last line of your post when Purple Goo translates to "Switch me and you if you touch me!"
I pardoned Okami because of the three votes on him, only Captain Ford's had a case behind it, and it was a case I disagreed with.
I claimed because I want to know who I swapped with.
Post by: Tiruin on March 23, 2013, 07:09:26 am
Meaning: You'd think DS would cover up that hammer with that kind of reason?
I claimed because I want to know who I swapped with.Not me.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 23, 2013, 07:29:01 am
Err...Deathsword was town then.
I want to know how you know this.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 23, 2013, 07:55:38 am
Yeah okay that seems good, your unvote of Ford and Deathsword quickhammering for a reason completely different than I thought possible is more convincing. Unvote Okami, Urist Imik's claim also really explains your confusion and you did not act like a King Mafia about to die in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4121013#msg4121013). I would be more inclined to believe Ford is either being wrong or scum.
Toony: I was the Purple Goo Magistrate who pardoned Okami about a minute before Deathsword hammered, so it really works out.This makes sense. I can also confirm that Urist Imik didn't kill anybody last night so he is very unlikely to be King Mafia this round, although I guess a vig wouldn't claim...
Now I've been disabled and swapped with someone who is definitely not a disabler.
I believe Tiruin is just being confusing here, I'm voting Deathsword.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 23, 2013, 08:04:25 am
Post by: Teneb on March 23, 2013, 09:18:02 am
Deathsword - Your explanation so far is "I knew it was a 7 player game, and I knew that I was the 4th vote on you, but I failed to put 2 and 2 together." Do I have that right? Why do you think that's a good enough excuse for lynching me?Oh, wow, having a hard day and counting something wrong is totally scummy. And I didn't vote you because of my incorrect counting. That makes no sense. I voted you because you were scummy.
Post by: Tiruin on March 23, 2013, 10:43:55 am
[...]counting something wrong is totally scummy.[...]@UI: I...guess I messed up my wording? Now that I see it from how others do, yeah, pretty messed up :/
The quote above explains what I'm talking about. In a high profile game such as this, I believe that if DS was scum - I mean, candidate for KotM - he would pay more attention to the hammer list.
But I guess the misinterpretation was in my punctuation/semantics? Lack of comma before 'then'. As in:
[I was thinking at this post]DeathswordYou don't have to believe it. At the moment I thought it would take 5 to hammer, not 4.Okami No ReiLet me guess? You didn't even realize you were hammering with that vote?
I don't believe it.
[UI's post + vote along "Deathsword hammer"]
"Err...then Deathsword was town, then."
Now answer my questions, please.
Jesus Christ I've made a mafia post Saturday at 9am. What am I doing anymoreYou're posting early in the morning so you can do other things later in the day because no personal schedule is rigid enough to mess it up by one mafia post.
Am I right?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 23, 2013, 11:38:03 am
Okami:
Your question was "If you had a mason role, who would you recruit as your buddy today?", not "If you had a mason role, would you recruit anyone as your buddy today?".Point. I did make that question overly specific. You did a good job explaining why you wouldn't necessarily pick someone today and what criteria you would actually pick them on.
I disagree with the idea that inspect results on a claimed miller should go right out the window in a role-heavy game.Umm...no matter how you look at it, a scum result on a claimed miller is worthless. Sure, the investigator could have been redirected, or fooled by some other ability ... but if you get scum, it doesn't tell you anything about the miller, and if you get town it either means Toaster is a townie and lying or your result was unreliable.
Can you explain this a bit better? Because I'm having trouble seeing how a scum inspect result on a claimed miller tells you anything about the miller.
Aside from that one thing, you've explained yourself very well. Your analysis of the mason mechanic makes a lot of sense, and your original answer makes sense in light of what you've provided. Unvote.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 23, 2013, 10:54:50 pm
1. I'll have limited access for a couple of days, I probably won't be able to do mod updates. I should be back before today's deadline.
2. I've decided to establish a "nerf list" for roles I think are overpowered rather than being vague about it. These are the roles that will basically always get a nerf. PGO isn't overpowered but everyone got really sick of it last time. Note that some other very powerful roles (eg Doublekiller) have actions which do not work due to the rules of this game.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 11:24:47 am
Toony: I was the Purple Goo Magistrate who pardoned Okami about a minute before Deathsword hammered, so it really works out.If you were disabled, wouldn't that prevent your purple goo ability from kicking in?
Now I've been disabled and swapped with someone who is definitely not a disabler.
Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2013, 11:27:43 am
Urist Imiknorris:I think he's talking in the present tense?Toony: I was the Purple Goo Magistrate who pardoned Okami about a minute before Deathsword hammered, so it really works out.If you were disabled, wouldn't that prevent your purple goo ability from kicking in?
Now I've been disabled and swapped with someone who is definitely not a disabler.
But...it's weird that upon role switch - you're disabled. Guess someone disabled him last night.
Unless...I'm misunderstanding what disable is?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 11:40:59 am
They're probably saying "disabled" to be as vague as possible while still getting the point across the same way I'm trying to be as vague as possible in how I'm pretty sure UI is town thanks to something.
My current suspicions right now are Deathsword (greater) and Captain Ford (lesser) still.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 11:42:48 am
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 11:59:46 am
The text of the basic ability is:
Quote from: Xylbot's Role List
You can disable someone's role. That player will temporarily lose all abilities/characteristics until the next night. Actions: disableThere's also a day version that disables until the next day.
They're probably saying "disabled" to be as vague as possible while still getting the point across the same way I'm trying to be as vague as possible in how I'm pretty sure UI is town thanks to something.Who are "they"?
Actually no, I'll put the vote on Captain Ford. I think Deathsword genuinely blundered and your attack on Okami is weird.The fuck are you talking about? Okami gave a good answer and I moved on. My current question to him is just because I'm confused about his logic.
If there's something in particular you're referring to, then please be more specific.
This makes sense. I can also confirm that Urist Imik didn't kill anybody last night so he is very unlikely to be King Mafia this round, although I guess a vig wouldn't claim...Noted: Rolefishing.
I suspect that whoever disabled UI also disabled Toaster. If that's the case, then Toaster wasn't killed by a reflection or PGO. At the very least, the disabler would know there's a vig running around, wouldn't they, Toony?
Smart move for a king. By disabling rather than using your night kill, you can get the vig to out themselves and then lynch UI on the suspicion that your disable prevented a night kill.
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2013, 12:08:44 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 12:12:33 pm
Unvote. Now I'm back to square one.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 12:15:42 pm
This makes sense. I can also confirm that Urist Imik didn't kill anybody last night so he is very unlikely to be King Mafia this round, although I guess a vig wouldn't claim...This still looks like opportunistic rolefishing, Toony.
Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2013, 12:19:25 pm
I did the disable on UI last night (it was a one-shot) and got his role. I didn't start the game with the disable, however. I recieved it on D2.Got it. Unvote.
Ford, would you like to explain how that is rolefishing? I don't see any rolefishing but...probably the last line regarding a vig, which doesn't sound much like anything along the lines of rolefishing. Or anything but an opinion for that matter.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 12:21:49 pm
PPE: Tiruin
Post by: Tiruin on March 24, 2013, 12:23:14 pm
What's up? RL factors? Or did you just put that PPE right there to cover a mistake.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 12:27:38 pm
Urist Imik.They're probably saying "disabled" to be as vague as possible while still getting the point across the same way I'm trying to be as vague as possible in how I'm pretty sure UI is town thanks to something.Who are "they"?
No...on second thought, the rest of that argument still holds.I'd rather not disregard the possibility that someone else who isn't the King Mafia killed Hapah while UI is actually guilty, but that's not what I believe.This makes sense. I can also confirm that Urist Imik didn't kill anybody last night so he is very unlikely to be King Mafia this round, although I guess a vig wouldn't claim...This still looks like opportunistic rolefishing, Toony.
All in all I'm pretty sure Hapah killed Toaster and he's dead now so UI is definitely cleared.
PPE:
...blarg. No, I'm wrong. Unvote. That's only rolefishing if you already had reason to think there was a vig.It's okay to be wrong! Unless you're scum, I need to stop using ellipses...
PPE: Tiruin
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 12:29:28 pm
I did the disable on UI last night (it was a one-shot) and got his role. I didn't start the game with the disable, however. I recieved it on D2.And because I believe UI is town, and this backs up with UI's claim Deathsword looks confirmed to me as well.
That leaves:
Tiruin, Okami, and Captain Ford.
I already explained why Okami is very likely not to be King Mafia so I am not going to vote anybody but Tiruin or Captain Ford.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 12:38:21 pm
Also, yeah, RL does have me pretty anxious these days.
Toony:
I'd rather not disregard the possibility that someone else who isn't the King Mafia killed Hapah while UI is actually guilty, but that's not what I believe.Yes, I see that now. I thought the scenario made the most sense if someone used a one-shot disable, but didn't think they existed. Your posts seemed to strongly hint at you being the disabler, and a number of things clicked with that conclusion:
1. Your statement about a kill+roleblock being used on toaster.
2. How you would know that UI didn't perform the kill. (because if you were the disabler, you could both confirm he was disabled and that you hadn't been redirected)
3. Your suspicion of there being a vig, and what looked like bait for him to claim
With Deathsword's claim that all falls apart.
Anyways, you're wrong about Hapah killing Toaster. His ignite is specifically a day ability.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 24, 2013, 12:50:33 pm
Your reason for that being a town tell isn't very good though - after all, one would also expect a townie to be paying more attention than he did.
Deathsword: I'm curious about your reasons for voting Okami yesterday - specifically, how is his speculation WIFOM? Additionally, who do you suspect? Your only vote was for Okami yesterday.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 24, 2013, 12:52:55 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 01:04:38 pm
Anyways, you're wrong about Hapah killing Toaster. His ignite is specifically a day ability.Yeah that's right. I'm not sure then. Deathsword disabled UI anyway so both me and Deathsword are clearing him.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 01:07:13 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 01:15:30 pm
Toony: If there was an anarchist in the game, would that change your mind about UI?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 01:18:52 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 24, 2013, 01:29:37 pm
Oh, wow, having a hard day and counting something wrong is totally scummy. And I didn't vote you because of my incorrect counting. That makes no sense. I voted you because you were scummy.We've established this. You claim you made a mistake. I want to know why you think you should get a free pass on such a convenient excuse for "accidentally" hammering a bandwagon.
Can you explain this a bit better?You did a pretty good job explaining it yourself.
Sure, the investigator could have been redirected, or fooled by some other ability ... but if you get scum, it doesn't tell you anything about the miller, and if you get town it either means Toaster is a townie and lying or your result was unreliable.That's why I stated it this way:
I disagree with the idea that inspect results on a claimed miller should go right out the window in a role-heavy game.There's absolutely no reason to assume that, in a game such as this, your inspection is going to go through in isolation from the rest of the night's actions.
Spoiler: For example: (click to show/hide)
Because I'm having trouble seeing how a scum inspect result on a claimed miller tells you anything about the miller.Ah, you're more concerned with what it means right there and then, with no more information available. It means you have a scum inspect result. Miller is an unfortunate characteristic for Town to have, but it isn't a free pass from critical examination. Anyone claiming Miller should be carefully and critically observed until proven innocent or killed/lynched.
Damn. I scanned the role list and didn't see any one-shot disables. I sent a PM to LS asking if they were possible, but decided that was unlikely.
Quote
Santa (town, survivor; uncommon; 4+ players): You are the bearer of gifts. Each night, you will give a random player a one-shot action. (You can't choose not to use this ability.) Actions: (auto)giftThat accounts for Hapah's N1 gift.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 01:34:18 pm
That accounts for Hapah's N1 gift.What does? DS said he got it N2.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 24, 2013, 01:35:55 pm
I did the disable on UI last night (it was a one-shot) and got his role. I didn't start the game with the disable, however. I recieved it on D2.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 01:59:23 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2013, 02:03:37 pm
Okami, you seem to be under the impression that all players in a KotM are immune to mistakes and thus anything that may even remotely resemble a mistake must be instead part of a nefarious scum plan.
In other words: your assumption that no KotM players are capable of making mistakes is a pile of feces.
Everyone makes mistakes. To believe yourself incapable of making one is stupid. Not everyone remembers constantly that 7 players = 4 to hammer. Some of us have important things to be worried about.
UI: Did you pardon Okami because you wanted more information from him when I hammered or because you considered him town at the time?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 24, 2013, 02:11:49 pm
Deathsword: It's worth noting that UI pardoned Okami before you hammered.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 24, 2013, 02:30:50 pm
Deathsword: I pardoned Okami because I thought he was town, and that the case (the one case out of three votes) against him was wrong.
Why did you disable me anyway?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 24, 2013, 05:33:59 pm
Toony: If there was an anarchist in the game, would that change your mind about UI?There better not be a fucking anarchist or I'll strangle them!!! That's such an anti-town role it's not even funny. There's still a 50% chance my action did work though and there's a 100% chance that Deathsword disabled and swapped roles with Urist Imik since both can confirm that themselves.
You're my top pick for King Mafia too you know.
If somebody does claim the Hapah kill and they say they're not the King Mafia then that's a whole different story. However, with Deathsword pretty much 100% confirming with UI that he was disabled UI is almost 100% not scum although Deathsword is likely a wash.
And besides all of that, UI pardoning Okami doesn't make any sense if he's scum unless he's trying to get brownie points (@Tiruin: being "too townie") which is really really dumb.
@MOD:
Can KING MAFIA use their mafia-kill along with their normal actions or do they have to just do one or the other? I can't find a specific line for this in the OP, although I'm assuming they can right now.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 24, 2013, 06:12:44 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 24, 2013, 07:09:35 pm
Not a lot of time right now, so I'll have to answer some stuff later.I'm not saying anyone in this game is incapable of mistakes. I'm saying apparent mistakes should be looked at with an eye for nefarious schemes. It seems too easy, to me, to simply write off your actions as a simple blunder.
Okami, you seem to be under the impression that all players in a KotM are immune to mistakes and thus anything that may even remotely resemble a mistake must be instead part of a nefarious scum plan.
In other words: your assumption that no KotM players are capable of making mistakes is a pile of feces.
Everyone makes mistakes. To believe yourself incapable of making one is stupid. Not everyone remembers constantly that 7 players = 4 to hammer. Some of us have important things to be worried about.
The fact of the matter is, that lynch was extraordinarily beneficial if you're KING MAFIA. You get one less townie to worry about (or would have, had UI not pardoned), as well as an extra night to work. You effectively get around half a day of questioning, and you can answer any questions the following morning with "He looked scummy. I voted him. I didn't even realize I was hammering."
So you see, it's not that I believe you incapable of mistakes. Mistakes happen. I can't afford to believe that any action which so clearly benefits scum is just a mistake.
That said, you and UI confirming each other with no counter-claims helps. Unvote.
Now, assuming he did, in fact, blunder:
Tiruin - Reading back over the thread, I notice that your D1 posts were coherent, but your D2 and D3 posts, well, not so much. Did you roll KING MAFIA and then get lazy now that you don't have to hunt scum?
Compare this from D1
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's almost like two different people posting. Your scumhunting is also much more passive today. D1 you were all over Deathsword. Now you're just poking at people.
That leaves:There's one name you left off that list, Toony Man.
Tiruin, Okami, and Captain Ford.
With Captain Ford sorted out and Deathsword more or less cleared by claims, you're my next choice for scum.
You did join the bandwagon on me, after all, with only
That is pretty compelling. I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.for a reason.
If somebody does claim the Hapah kill and they say they're not the King Mafia then that's a whole different story.How does that even make sense? Is there any reason they'd say they are King Mafia?
I believe Tiruin is just being confusing here, I'm voting Deathsword.Could you elaborate on this?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 25, 2013, 09:12:09 am
You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).This means Deathsword is cleared as well, no doubts. That's good.
I'm not going to put myself on a possible scum list because I'm not scum. You're just trying to sound edgy/smart here.That leaves:There's one name you left off that list, Toony Man.
Tiruin, Okami, and Captain Ford.
Other people who voted your "bandwagon": Tiruin, Captain FordWith Captain Ford sorted out and Deathsword more or less cleared by claims, you're my next choice for scum.
You did join the bandwagon on me, after all, with onlyThat is pretty compelling. I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.for a reason.
I understand why you suspect me, but I know I'm town so that's why like I said earlier the only possible scum I can see being left are Captain Ford and Tiruin. It can be either really, Tiruin is hard to read but you seem to notice a difference while Ford voted and unvoted me like three times a bit ago.
Sorry, I like covering possibilities. A vig claim would probably get that person lynched if they can't convince everyone, they would be pulling a gambit as the King Mafia. That's what I meant.If somebody does claim the Hapah kill and they say they're not the King Mafia then that's a whole different story.How does that even make sense? Is there any reason they'd say they are King Mafia?
I'm more sure about Captain Ford being mafia than Tiruin. Tiruin is still definitely possible since you seem to have a read, but I definitely feel more confident in Ford being the mafia. That's why I think Tiruin is just being confusing, since he's town in this case.I believe Tiruin is just being confusing here, I'm voting Deathsword.Could you elaborate on this?
I won't be able to post until late tonight most likely (school started again).
Leaving my vote on Captain Ford.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 25, 2013, 09:51:21 am
You're deflecting attention away from yourself. Tiruin had a reason to vote Okami (or at least she did when she voted), and Captain Ford gave a reason as well. You didn't. You just tossed your vote on like whatever. So how are Tiruin's and Captain Ford's votes relevant to yours in any way?Other people who voted your "bandwagon": Tiruin, Captain FordWith Captain Ford sorted out and Deathsword more or less cleared by claims, you're my next choice for scum.
You did join the bandwagon on me, after all, with onlyThat is pretty compelling. I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.for a reason.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 25, 2013, 01:03:29 pm
Tiruin: I had a rather heavy bout of depression yesterday, ugh. I was expecting guests but remembered that it had been called off since one of the guys was out of town.
I hate winter.
...You seem really undecided currently.I made a mistake, and yeah, I put the PPE there to cover for it because you beat me to the punch. You didn't ninja me, exactly, but I had the thought while I was away from my computer and wasn't expecting your post when I returned.
What's up? RL factors? Or did you just put that PPE right there to cover a mistake.
I was posting too quickly with not enough thought because my SO was pestering me to clean up the house for the guests that we thought were coming over.
The rest of my attitude is due to being riddled with self-loathing and self-doubt for not accomplishing anything productive yesterday.
Oh. Also I was focusing on trying to figure out the puzzle too much.
Toony: Hmm ...
You might be right about UI. Tell me, what makes you suspect me over Tiruin?
UI is coming off scummy to me but it might just be his playstyle. I think every game I've played with him he's been scum (he was even my scum IC), so it might just be that I have no idea what his town game looks like.
I'm pretty sure I was redirected last night. I couldn't think of a reason for someone to redirect me specifically, and for a little while I wondered if UI might have been swapped with a Nexus.
Deathsword: I want to hear the answer to this too:
Why did you disable me anyway?
With the votes the way they are, I'm putting my vote on ToonyMan.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 25, 2013, 02:55:00 pm
WHOA, WAIT A SECOND. Unvote.
Damn it, it took me way too long to realize I'd just put him at L-1.
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 25, 2013, 02:56:39 pm
Why?
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2013, 03:08:22 pm
Deathsword: I'm curious about your reasons for voting Okami yesterday - specifically, how is his speculation WIFOM?I misunderstood what he meant on that one. I believed he was claiming to know what Hapah thought.
Why did you disable me anyway?You seemed to be quite displeased with my hammer on Okami and I thought that would make me a very big target for any non-lethal actions you might have had.
While we are at it, how do you like your new role?
Expect another post today with a vote. And if I missed questions, please point them to me.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 25, 2013, 03:11:46 pm
And I'm at work, so my everything's a bit sloppy.
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2013, 03:30:08 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 25, 2013, 03:42:11 pm
While we are at it, how do you like your new role?I want a refund.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 25, 2013, 04:09:00 pm
Just read up on the end of Totem Mafia, and yeah, I totally need to give UI some more slack. He saved Okami from the lynch, and he's acted decently so far.
It seems like DS and UI are town. Their claims are pretty solid. Okami seems town enough.
I'm split a little bit on Toony. Toony's votes and arguments are well-reasoned, and he's playing well. I don't think he would have claimed to know something about UI unless he was prepared to make a full claim if it came down to it. But there's little things that are making me uneasy.
Process of elimination would bring me to Tiruin, then. She has indeed been very passive today, but she jumped on me the same way she did on DS yesterday. Still, it does strike me as more opportunistic ...
Post by: Leafsnail on March 25, 2013, 05:26:39 pm
ToonyMan: Okami No Rei, Urist Imiknorris (2)
Captain Ford: ToonyMan (1)
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Tiruin, Deathsword (3)
Bolded players should vote to avoid a prod.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 25, 2013, 06:50:09 pm
Toony:My vote on Okami was really bad I know. I was pointing out in your selective quote that my top two suspects were the other voters so it matches very very well. It's also very sad to be suspected by the guy who I confirmed first (which I can't prove 100% like DS unfortunately) and Okami who I'm pretty sure is town as well.You're deflecting attention away from yourself. Tiruin had a reason to vote Okami (or at least she did when she voted), and Captain Ford gave a reason as well. You didn't. You just tossed your vote on like whatever. So how are Tiruin's and Captain Ford's votes relevant to yours in any way?Other people who voted your "bandwagon": Tiruin, Captain FordWith Captain Ford sorted out and Deathsword more or less cleared by claims, you're my next choice for scum.
You did join the bandwagon on me, after all, with onlyThat is pretty compelling. I think I'll add pressure, Okami no Rei.for a reason.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 25, 2013, 06:55:31 pm
Post coming up...finally awake at this unholy hour after a whole day of doing everything else not related to Mafia.You said this over three hours ago, and still nothing. Stalling for time, Tiruin?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 25, 2013, 07:32:05 pm
ToonyMan: Urist Imiknorris (1)
Captain Ford: ToonyMan (1)
Tiruin: Okami No Rei
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Tiruin, Deathsword (3)
Tiruin and Deathsword will be getting prods due to not voting.
Addition to nerf list: Recurring Nightmare.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 25, 2013, 07:35:56 pm
I'm not going to put myself on a possible scum list because I'm not scum. You're just trying to sound edgy/smart here.One.
Other people who voted your "bandwagon": Tiruin, Captain FordAs Urist pointed out, Tiruin's vote was an RVS that he didn't have a chance to remove due to the time zone difference. Captain Ford and Deathsword both had cases to bring against me. Yours is the only vote that had nothing backing it up.
I understand why you suspect me, but I know I'm town so that's why like I said earlier the only possible scum I can see being left are Captain Ford and Tiruin. It can be either really, Tiruin is hard to read but you seem to notice a difference while Ford voted and unvoted me like three times a bit ago.Two.
Sorry, I like covering possibilities. A vig claim would probably get that person lynched if they can't convince everyone, they would be pulling a gambit as the King Mafia. That's what I meant.This is the only sensible thing in either of your last two posts. Thanks for clearing this up. Makes sense now.
I'm more sure about Captain Ford being mafia than Tiruin. Tiruin is still definitely possible since you seem to have a read, but I definitely feel more confident in Ford being the mafia. That's why I think Tiruin is just being confusing, since he's town in this case.Three.
PFPLet's get something very clear, here. There is no one in this game who is confirmed. Not me. Not you. Not Urist Imiknorris. Not Deathsword.You're deflecting attention away from yourself. Tiruin had a reason to vote Okami (or at least she did when she voted), and Captain Ford gave a reason as well. You didn't. You just tossed your vote on like whatever. So how are Tiruin's and Captain Ford's votes relevant to yours in any way?My vote on Okami was really bad I know. I was pointing out in your selective quote that my top two suspects were the other voters so it matches very very well. It's also very sad to be suspected by the guy who I confirmed first (which I can't prove 100% like DS unfortunately) and Okami who I'm pretty sure is town as well.
Urist Imiknorris claimed to pardon me. Confirmed by Deathsword.
He's also claimed purple goo magistrate, and that he was disabled last night and had his role switched.
His night action is still unaccounted for, save for your claim that he didn't kill.
Deathsword has claimed the disable on Urist Imiknorris, and is therefore the subject of the role switch.
No-one has counter-claimed Deathsword, and it is on this basis alone that his actions last night are accounted for.
Neither of those claims say anything about their alignment. We assume Urist is town because his pardoning me was pro-town.
Your continued insistence on repeating that Player A is town, Player B can't be scum, and Captain Ford and Tiruin are the only possible scum remaining sounds to me like a desperate KING MAFIA who knows good and well that he is, in fact, still on the possible scum list. Your buddying every single person who you can even remotely claim to have "confirmed" and repeatedly insisting that you must be town because of your extraordinary efforts to confirm other town.
In short, you, ToonyMan, are this rounds KING MAFIA.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 25, 2013, 07:38:03 pm
You're buddying every single person who you can even remotely claim to have "confirmed" and repeatedly insisting that you must be town because of your extraordinary efforts to confirm other town.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 25, 2013, 07:44:20 pm
Toony: Hmm ...Your high-five with Hapah before he ends up dying, your attack on Okami (though you backed off), and you have un-voted and voted me in quick succession a lot, kind of like you're judging whether it'd be too scummy to vote.
You might be right about UI. Tell me, what makes you suspect me over Tiruin?
UI is coming off scummy to me but it might just be his playstyle. I think every game I've played with him he's been scum (he was even my scum IC), so it might just be that I have no idea what his town game looks like.True enough. I highly doubt UI and Deathsword are scum though.
I'm pretty sure I was redirected last night. I couldn't think of a reason for someone to redirect me specifically, and for a little while I wondered if UI might have been swapped with a Nexus.Redirected onto whom?
In short, you, ToonyMan, are this rounds KING MAFIA.Fine.
I'm a delayer. I delayed Toaster N0 and N1. I delayed UI N2. This is why I'm so sure UI is town. Deathsword disabling him just makes this better.
The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you. I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.
I will also get pissed at UI for pardoning the fucking King Mafia but whatever...
Post by: ToonyMan on March 25, 2013, 07:52:23 pm
You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).Deathsword and Urist Imik (and me) could not have killed anybody last night.
HAPAH DIED
Nobody is claiming the kill. I BET THE KING MAFIA DID IT
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2013, 07:57:05 pm
Saying you are town is pretty null. It looks to me as if you want to drive a bullshit case on him.
So by your logic, if I ask if you are town and you answer "yes" then you are scum. If you answer "no" then you are scum.
Are you town?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 25, 2013, 07:58:55 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 25, 2013, 08:21:37 pm
I'm a delayer. I delayed Toaster N0 and N1. I delayed UI N2. This is why I'm so sure UI is town. Deathsword disabling him just makes this better.
To put this simply:How convenient. There's absolutely no way for you or Urist to confirm your action last night, unless somebody happened to track you.You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).Deathsword and Urist Imik (and me) could not have killed anybody last night.
I bet you killed Hapah.
The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you. I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.So I'm back on the list just for attacking you? And there you go again with this "only possible scum" nonsense.
You're still deflecting, as Urist pointed out. You're trying to distract everyone with your roleclaim, and you've failed to address any specific points I've brought against you.
So, why Urist? Why disable him last night?
Okami, what should ToonyMan do? Say "I'm scum"?It's not just that he's saying he's town. It's the buddying combined with yesterday's bandwagoning.
Saying you are town is pretty null. It looks to me as if you want to drive a bullshit case on him.
Now we can add an as yet unverifiable (suspiciously so?) claim for last nights action to the mix, as well as more of the deflection Urist was calling him out on earlier.
So by your logic, if I ask if you are town and you answer "yes" then you are scum. If you answer "no" then you are scum.If you answer "Yes" and move on, then it's a null-tell. If you answer no, then you're a jester, or you're explaining how you've already won, and nothing can stop you now (much as Pandarsenic did (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63487.msg1555094#msg1555094) in BYOR4).
If you answer answer is "Yes! I'm totally a towny! Look at all these wonderful towny things I'm doing to help the town. And you're a towny too! Look at all this wonderful proof that I've found that you're a towny!", then you're scum.
Are you town?Yes
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 25, 2013, 08:22:28 pm
Day ends in 24 hours time. Everyone should vote before then (Deathsword's vote just now counts towards that though).Refresh Vote: ToonyMan
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 25, 2013, 08:29:46 pm
If your answer is...
Post by: Captain Ford on March 25, 2013, 09:45:09 pm
My impression of Okami & ToonyMan is presently of townies going at each other. Toony's claim is ... interesting.
Mod: If an action is delayed, and the user is killed before the action goes off, will the action still occur during the next night? Secondly, does the start of a new round cancel any such pending actions or reset things like an arsonist dousing people in gasoline?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 25, 2013, 10:00:44 pm
Mod: If an action is delayed, and the user is killed before the action goes off, will the action still occur during the next night?No.
Secondly, does the start of a new round cancel any such pending actions or reset things like an arsonist dousing people in gasoline?No. Also arsonist dousing does not work at all as per the rules.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 25, 2013, 10:08:35 pm
Your high-five with Hapah before he ends up dying, your attack on Okami (though you backed off), and you have un-voted and voted me in quick succession a lot, kind of like you're judging whether it'd be too scummy to vote.Seriously? Truth be told, Hapah's helping me out with some advice via PM. If you're gonna find me scummy for being nice to the nice guy, then you can
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The waffling on my vote only means I'm being indecisive. Showing doubt is a bad thing for scumhunting, but it's the opposite of scummy. We've had this discussion before.
No. Also arsonist dousing does not work at all as per the rules.Say what? So Hapah had a role that didn't work?
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2013, 10:43:31 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 25, 2013, 10:55:58 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 25, 2013, 11:40:45 pm
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Tiruin - Reading back over the thread, I notice that your D1 posts were coherent, but your D2 and D3 posts, well, not so much. Did you roll KING MAFIA and then get lazy now that you don't have to hunt scum?Several reasons (not lazy nor the KotM; here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4130992#msg4130992) is a blatant NO.):
> Firstly, day keeps on ending when I'm away - I nearly have no say on the proceeding posts afterwards - see D1/D2.
> Secondly, King shifted Post-N1, here's me trying to find out through questioning...but then seemingly getting lost along the way.
> In the past 1/2 days, RL has cut in along with personal stuff...apologies for that one.
> Its only me and me alone posting, keep my security on any of my accounts at a high level...Its just my emotional/mental state contributing to what gets down.
Aaaand the fact that I got prodded anyway. Yeah. Breaking this up to address each person.
UI/DS are town btw - claiming ahead of time, my inspect landed on DS...revealing him to be town. N1 - my action landed on the most useless (should've been useful but bleh) pick. And I really feel I've been redirected somehow because I didn't pick DS as my target during that time.
@UI: Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4124708#msg4124708) I felt that they were reasonable answers, but dropped a prod on them just to be sure on it - the pressure at our duel back then was a factor I'd thought that would help in getting an answer with added info.
Also,
Why? You've got a disabling role, and was...ironically disabled by it. While your past role can save others from the hammer of death - the current role can stop a death from occurring.While we are at it, how do you like your new role?I want a refund.
Y'know, just like my ol' role in the last KotM. WHICH YOU SHOT FOR BAD REASONS.[/sourgraping]
Ford: Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4127623#msg4127623), why Anarchist instead of another redirecting role?
unvote
I'm really betting Hapah's helping with personal non-Mafia advice as he helped me before, right? Also, overreaction is noted.Your high-five with Hapah before he ends up dying, your attack on Okami (though you backed off), and you have un-voted and voted me in quick succession a lot, kind of like you're judging whether it'd be too scummy to vote.Seriously? Truth be told, Hapah's helping me out with some advice via PM. If you're gonna find me scummy for being nice to the nice guy, then you canSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Toony
I'm a delayer. I delayed Toaster N0 and N1. I delayed UI N2. This is why I'm so sure UI is town. Deathsword disabling him just makes this better.
The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you. I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.
I will also get pissed at UI for pardoning the fucking King Mafia but whatever...
Lastly...err, abstain from current vote - is this possible? If not then Tiruin because I'm pretty racked up with decisions here.
> Undergoing the reason by elimination, I'm not having that much of a read on the others though somehow Okami strikes me as the KotM...and I've no conclusive proof atm (I mean, day end already. Wow. No time for questioning other than what I said above.)
Deathsword
Urist Imiknorris
Tiruin
ToonyMan
Captain Ford
Okami No Rei
> 6 people, 1 scum, and probably 1 vig/one-shot killer due to how Toaster died. I've outed the first two who I'm pretty much confirmed on and myself because the usual "I'm town but nobody can prove it" cliche leaving the three of you down here.
Now I'm in the belief that Toony's being town in the way that he's...well, his tendency is usually to go unhinged when scum - he doesn't smell, or is acting, like the scum Toony I know. Also, his latest reasons...I strongly don't believe he'd be acting like that
The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you. I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.This would be his defining points: It points out two things.
I will also get pissed at UI for pardoning the fucking King Mafia but whatever...
> If [KotM: YES] = Very bad play//scumhunting.
> If [Town: YES] = seemingly flailing around with weak reasoning.
On Ford, I'm torn over. Yes, he did make mistakes, but they're most assumed to go with what he's been undergoing. On a stress level that high, it doesn't seem likely that he's Mafia IMO.
Okami's just getting a gut feeling. I currently can't find why because at the moment I'm reading up on everything since I last posted.
Also. Update (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4131061#msg4131061)
Quote from: How I guess the votes stack from the link, not putting in any vote-shifting/modding abilities|| 4 votes to lynch.
ToonyMan: Urist Imiknorris, Okami No Rei (2)
Captain Ford: ToonyMan (1)
Tiruin: Captain Ford (1 or 2,)
Okami No Rei: Deathsword (1)
Not Voting: Tiruin (1) - either here, or on myself
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 26, 2013, 06:21:01 am
What the hell?
Also, didn't you read Deathswords claim? The disable was a one-shot from Hapah.
Toony:
My vote on Okami was really bad I know. I was pointing out in your selective quote that my top two suspects were the other voters so it matches very very well. It's also very sad to be suspected by the guy who I confirmed first (which I can't prove 100% like DS unfortunately) and Okami who I'm pretty sure is town as well.And again, they voted because they had cases. You didn't. Stop trying to deflect suspicion. As it turns out, my top two suspects also voted Okami. Mostly because the ones who didn't are either dead, confirmed town, or Okami himself.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 26, 2013, 06:23:23 am
Several reasons (not lazy nor the KotM; here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4130992#msg4130992) is a blatant NO.):So, similar excuses to Captain Ford's.
> Firstly, day keeps on ending when I'm away - I nearly have no say on the proceeding posts afterwards - see D1/D2.
> Secondly, King shifted Post-N1, here's me trying to find out through questioning...but then seemingly getting lost along the way.
> In the past 1/2 days, RL has cut in along with personal stuff...apologies for that one.
> Its only me and me alone posting, keep my security on any of my accounts at a high level...Its just my emotional/mental state contributing to what gets down.
UI/DS are town btw - claiming ahead of time, my inspect landed on DS...revealing him to be town. N1 - my action landed on the most useless (should've been useful but bleh) pick. And I really feel I've been redirected somehow because I didn't pick DS as my target during that time.Why claim now? We've already shifted off of DS and UI as scumpicks, so this serves no purpose other than announcing to the world that you have an Inspect. That' makes you a target for no reason.
Why? You've got a disabling role, and was...ironically disabled by it. While your past role can save others from the hammer of death - the current role can stop a death from occurring.DS claimed one-shot disable. With you claiming a town inspect and UI not counter-claiming the one-shot, that's pretty much certain.
Lastly...err, abstain from current vote - is this possible? If not then Tiruin because I'm pretty racked up with decisions here.Ummm...no? Last I checked, there's no such thing as conditional votes, meaning the vote on yourself stands as the last one appearing in your post. Mod, please confirm.
What makes you think you get to just sit out of the scumhunting and let everyone kill each other around you?
> Undergoing the reason by elimination, I'm not having that much of a read on the others though somehow Okami strikes me as the KotM...and I've no conclusive proof atm (I mean, day end already. Wow. No time for questioning other than what I said above.)No time for questioning? You could have easily asked me several questions. I've got plenty of time to answer them before the end of the day. Even if you do miss day-end, you could analyze and respond to my answers tomorrow if I survived to morning.
> 6 people, 1 scum, and probably 1 vig/one-shot killer due to how Toaster died. I've outed the first two who I'm pretty much confirmed on and myself because the usual "I'm town but nobody can prove it" cliche leaving the three of you down here.That bit of meta-argument doesn't mean a thing.
Now I'm in the belief that Toony's being town in the way that he's...well, his tendency is usually to go unhinged when scum - he doesn't smell, or is acting, like the scum Toony I know. Also, his latest reasons...I strongly don't believe he'd be acting like thatThis post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4131101#msg4131101) doesn't qualify as unhinged?
PPE - Urist
Post by: Leafsnail on March 26, 2013, 08:30:07 am
Post by: Captain Ford on March 26, 2013, 09:40:37 am
UI/DS are town btw - claiming ahead of time, my inspect landed on DS...revealing him to be town. N1 - my action landed on the most useless (should've been useful but bleh) pick. And I really feel I've been redirected somehow because I didn't pick DS as my target during that time.How do you know you landed on DS? Leafsnail specifically said we aren't informed if we're redirected.
Ford: Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4127623#msg4127623), why Anarchist instead of another redirecting role?I said it here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4130033#msg4130033), but I guess I didn't finish the thought. At the time, I didn't see a good reason for someone to redirect me specifically, and since UI seemed scummy to me, it made sense that whatever Toony did to proclaim his innocence may also have been redirected.
If you can explain how you know you were redirected, it seems likely that there's an anarchist among us. I'd suspect Okami since our actions on N0 didn't seem to be affected.
I'm really betting Hapah's helping with personal non-Mafia advice as he helped me before, right? Also, overreaction is noted.Yeah, that's exactly it. This isn't the first time I've been poked about that one-liner at the start of the day. Okami did it earlier (I think it was Okami). Toony ignoring it until late in the day is really, really low of him, and also him not stating it until I ask him about it is a really jerk move.
Basically, he was being a jerk and an idiot and I wanted to smack him for it.
... and actually ... now that I think about it ...
Toony: Explain to me why there's a connection between me being nice to Hapah and him dying.
Post by: Tiruin on March 26, 2013, 10:18:55 am
Tiruin, you don't want to question your suspects beyond rolefishing, so you have no case on anyone. Thus you vote yourself.I did read it...and the vote was because prod-limit thing...I claimed only part of my role, obviously. You'd expect me to fullclaim? No.
What the hell?
Also, didn't you read Deathswords claim? The disable was a one-shot from Hapah.
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What makes you think you get to just sit out of the scumhunting and let everyone kill each other around you?...Not sitting out, just really really mentally tired.
Also, this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4131101#msg4131101) really doesn't. Just someone stating a possibility in a...comedic/assertive manner. Because if Hapah was vig'd, then any/all delayers/protectors/anyother role with that manner may have gotten the right target.
@UI: Rolefishing?
PPE: Leaf: Ok...so I'm now technically voting myself.
Tiruin: (I think you put yourself at L-1 for a moment there. You would have been safer voting DS or UI since they're both confirmed town.)...Good point, but I only have 2 votes on me, we need 4 to hammer.
@Other questions:
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How do you know you landed on DS? Leafsnail specifically said we aren't informed if we're redirected.Well...I picked someone else, not DS.
I...also can't explain how I was redirected. However, I asked Leafsnail concerning redirect-ish types and an investigate, he answered with that I get the name of who I get redirected to and that its for successful inspections only. Obviously, not informed if we're redirected but the path of logic is obvious.
Mine was successful.
Ergo.
Okami: I see you're poking at every tidbit I have, why is that and how does it help clarify your reads? Because it seems your behavior from D1 shifted into overgear in D2 and beyond, what's up?
Ford: You seem...contemplative there, any explanation about that or is there something you're hiding?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 12:00:01 pm
Can you AT LEAST admit that Deathsword and UI are confirmed town?? That's what I was trying so hard to explain to you.I'm a delayer. I delayed Toaster N0 and N1. I delayed UI N2. This is why I'm so sure UI is town. Deathsword disabling him just makes this better.To put this simply:How convenient. There's absolutely no way for you or Urist to confirm your action last night, unless somebody happened to track you.You can only use one night action per night (this doesn't include automatic actions).Deathsword and Urist Imik (and me) could not have killed anybody last night.
Not true, you have always been a possible scum pick. I only doubted that because you didn't sound like the King Mafia about to get lynched Day 2 (remember you didn't know UI was pardoning you).The only possible scum left are Captain Ford, Tiruin, or you. I think it's either Captain Ford or Tiruin but if you're gonna be an idiot then I can accept it being you.So I'm back on the list just for attacking you? And there you go again with this "only possible scum" nonsense.
You're still deflecting, as Urist pointed out. You're trying to distract everyone with your roleclaim, and you've failed to address any specific points I've brought against you.I have not??
So, why Urist? Why disable him last night?1. I delayed him
2. His last post of the day looked like scum picking targets for the next day (I wanted to really make sure he was either scum or town).
Toony:Stop being an idiot!! Why do the confirmed town always become lazy idiots??My vote on Okami was really bad I know. I was pointing out in your selective quote that my top two suspects were the other voters so it matches very very well. It's also very sad to be suspected by the guy who I confirmed first (which I can't prove 100% like DS unfortunately) and Okami who I'm pretty sure is town as well.And again, they voted because they had cases. You didn't. Stop trying to deflect suspicion. As it turns out, my top two suspects also voted Okami. Mostly because the ones who didn't are either dead, confirmed town, or Okami himself.
Toony: Explain to me why there's a connection between me being nice to Hapah and him dying.Distancing. I wouldn't put it highest on the list of suspicious activity as it's not as convincing by itself (as in unless you've been acting scummy that can just be said to be null although I still wouldn't recommend camaraderie when there's mafia around). It also doesn't help you have likely a 50% chance of being scum.
Unvote Captain Ford. I think that's all I can get from them and overall they don't seem too scummy, but not nearly as convincing as Okami. Urist Imik is being an idiot and I think Okami is still town too just DEAD WRONG. I will instead be placing my vote on other top pick Tiruin. Okami can make good points (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4128467#msg4128467) when they aren't being stubborn and Tiruin recently VOTED THEMSELVES and haven't really been too pressured during the game, I'm not sure how to read her otherwise though but she's definitely a top pick for me. This'll likely be my final vote for this day and I'm a prime candidate for being lynched. This is my judgement call. At least the King Mafia is fucking screwed since he can't even kill all the confirmed town tonight. It's either Tiruin, Captain Ford, or Okami.
My general reads are as followed:
Captain Ford - largely because of vote-swapping and they backed off of Okami when Okami backed off which would be wise for scum to stay un-pressured, currently living it easy on the sideline
Tiruin - acting weird and VOTED THEMSELVES, my pick tied with Captain Ford though they're going up...
Okami - Felt genuinely town when they though they were getting lynched, has nuggets of actual good scumhunting when not being an idiot. Still possible scum but I sort of doubt it.
Also the currently exchange with Captain Ford and Tiruin right now has me siding with Captain Ford more and it wouldn't make sense to be voting Captain Ford if Tiruin is just as guilty in my eyes (and likely more at this point, inspect on both Deathsword and Urist Imik? Why say that now?)
Post by: Tiruin on March 26, 2013, 12:30:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 12:39:08 pm
So I get a vote but no summary on why I deserve that vote other than the 'other target'?You voted yourself because you didn't want to get prodded, that means you have ZERO SUSPECTS.
You inspected the two players that are already confirmed (and this was after Deathsword and Urist Imik said they confirmed each other, I was only able to clear UI and this was before they said anything).
This also helps me believe more that Captain Ford is town, because I PM'd Leafsnail this exact same question. I was afraid that maybe my delay on Toaster killed Hapah but that is not the case. At the very least they're thinking the same as me.Mod: If an action is delayed, and the user is killed before the action goes off, will the action still occur during the next night?No.
I...also can't explain how I was redirected. However, I asked Leafsnail concerning redirect-ish types and an investigate, he answered with that I get the name of who I get redirected to and that its for successful inspections only. Obviously, not informed if we're redirected but the path of logic is obvious.That reminds me:
I'm pretty sure I was redirected last night. I couldn't think of a reason for someone to redirect me specifically, and for a little while I wondered if UI might have been swapped with a Nexus.These don't match up. I asked Captain Ford who they got redirected onto earlier but they never answered or I can't find it.
Captain Ford?
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 26, 2013, 01:20:42 pm
Hammer Tiruin.
You did vote yourself, and you're my second pick for scum behind Toony.
Okami: I see you're poking at every tidbit I have, why is that and how does it help clarify your reads? Because it seems your behavior from D1 shifted into overgear in D2 and beyond, what's up?I didn't get a chance to get into gear D1, because I got hammered out of the blue. I'm in overdrive now D2 to make up for lost time scumhunting.
Can you AT LEAST admit that Deathsword and UI are confirmed town?? That's what I was trying so hard to explain to you.DS is confirmed town with Tiruin's claim.
I have not??Until this post, you hadn't addressed any of the accusations in my "You are scum." post.
1. I delayed himSlip of the tongue.
2. His last post of the day looked like scum picking targets for the next day (I wanted to really make sure he was either scum or town).Makes sense. Thank you.
Toony's right. Scum can't get both confirmed town, so let's go to night and see where we are in the morning.
Blood will tell.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 26, 2013, 01:40:19 pm
Tiruin, why the hell did you vote yourself. Seriously.
(Still working on another post, guess I'll have to rush it now)
Post by: Captain Ford on March 26, 2013, 01:48:05 pm
These don't match up. I asked Captain Ford who they got redirected onto earlier but they never answered or I can't find it.Sorry, I'm at work. I only just got the chance to respond to this. I prioritized addressing Tiruin first because of timezones (if I wanted a response from her today, I had to post early).
Captain Ford?
The simple answer is that I'm not going to answer that question. I'm going to be intentionally vague because there's very little to be gained from me making a full claim at this juncture, other than what I've already stated. If someone wants to claim redirecting me specifically, that may change, but as you've already claimed your action, I don't feel I need to answer that, at least not coming from you.
Mod: If we lynch scum, does the next round start in night?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 02:19:53 pm
PFProfession
Hammer Tiruin.
Then why did you hammer him?? He can't inspect unless he's town. You're either being stubborn against me again for some reason or you're scum.Can you AT LEAST admit that Deathsword and UI are confirmed town?? That's what I was trying so hard to explain to you.DS is confirmed town with Tiruin's claim.
Anyway:
If Tiruin is scum we've won this round.
If Tiruin is town I'm going to delay you Captain Ford and if there's still a kill it can only be Okami. So we've pretty much won this now.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 02:22:05 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 02:25:00 pm
If Tiruin is town I'm going to delay you Captain Ford and if there's still a kill it can only be Okami. So we've pretty much won this now.Wait that won't work if the mafia doesn't use their mafiakill. :P
That's okay though, they won't be able to kill Deathsword or UI.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 26, 2013, 02:44:19 pm
Wait that won't work if the mafia doesn't use their mafiakill. :PI was going to say.
Okami, that was just dumb.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 26, 2013, 02:57:13 pm
Mod: If we lynch scum, does the next round start in night?Yes.
Final votecount (4 to lynch):
ToonyMan: Urist Imiknorris (1)
Okami No Rei: Deathsword (1)
Tiruin: Captain Ford, Tiruin, ToonyMan, Okami No Rei (4) <---- Hammer
The day is finished. Day ending flavour will be coming soon.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 02:59:02 pm
The day was going to end in a few hours regardless, and I'm happy as long as it's you or Tiruin.Wait that won't work if the mafia doesn't use their mafiakill. :PI was going to say.
Okami, that was just dumb.
The mafia being unable to kill is also really really good, wouldn't you say?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 26, 2013, 03:15:53 pm
...huh?Toony: Explain to me why there's a connection between me being nice to Hapah and him dying.Distancing.
I don't get it.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 26, 2013, 03:22:17 pm
When people began to come to it at first seemed that Deathsword had been gunned down after the flash. However, on closer inspection it seemed that Deathsword was also still alive and well. Apparently Tiruin had made one last attempt to disguise herself as Deathsword in order to escape the game - it hadn't worked. Nobody can escape a lynch.
Tiruin has been lynched.
She was an Anarchist Spy (town).
It is now night 3. Please send me any night actions you want to perform within the next 24 hours.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 26, 2013, 03:22:33 pm
But this is a fictional game!
Post by: Leafsnail on March 26, 2013, 10:18:24 pm
Searching his pockets the four survivors found various medical supplies and papers relating to healthcare matters. However, those papers were strangely disordered, and among them were all kinds of bizarre proposals to restructure hospitals into a completely disordered system. Everyone felt kindof glad that they would never have to be treated in one of his hospitals, and even gladder when it seemed that a new round would be beginning. For the third time in a single week, the King was dead.
Urist Imiknorris has been killed.
He was an Anarchist Hospital director (mafia) and KING MAFIA.
Round 2 is now over.
New nerf list addition: Anarchist.
Rules modification: Triggered abilities will now be considered as activating at the same time as the abilities that triggered them. Previously I had them ativate before the abilities targeting them due to a pedantic reading of the role text, but this seemed somewhat at odds with the Natural Action Resolution I've been using to resolve conflicts otherwise. This change will have no effect except in a few edge cases.
Three more contestants arrived.
notquitethere II was a direct descendant of the first notquitethere. It was said that his powers were even stronger than those of his father's, but that he had not yet learnt to control them all that well. This may have been why he seemed to rapidly flicker in and out of existence.
Toaster II was the latest member of the Toaster clan. Apparently he had been selected as heir after torching a barn full of animals for fun when he was a child. Age probably had not improved his outlook.
The Soldier had only recently emerged as a power. Originally just a minor member of a mafia gang with no real prospects, he had created a union to help protect the interests of low-ranking members, which was now rapidly growing. That he had managed to do such a thing without being brutally murdered spoke volumes of his skills at negotiation and fighting.
The battle for the mafia crown went on.
notquitethere II has joined the game.
Toaster II has joined the game.
The Soldier has joined the game.
A new KING MAFIA has been randomly selected.
It is now Round 3, Day 4. With 7 players alive it takes 4 to lynch. Vote within the next 24 hours, please.
Post by: Toaster on March 26, 2013, 10:37:01 pm
ToonyMan: What all happened in Round Two that will help you find scum in Round Three?
The Soldier: What's the most important thing you've learned from reading the past two rounds?
Post by: Tiruin on March 27, 2013, 01:39:50 am
Let me reiterate that anyone who sent Anarchist is an asshole.::) Yeah, sure.
Well, at least stress is over. And nerf.
Post by: The Soldier on March 27, 2013, 03:11:46 am
ToonyMan: Is there any situation where you would doubt the accuracy of your night action, and instead believe you were redirected?
Deathsword: How would you characterize your meta?
Okami no Rei: In this gametype, when do you think a massclaim is a good idea, if ever?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 27, 2013, 04:58:02 am
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 27, 2013, 05:56:51 am
Good lord, Deathsword. No wonder UI was unhappy with the swap. That's gotta be the mostWhile we are at it, how do you like your new role?I want a refund.
ToonyMan - I was wrong about you last round. Has that changed?
Toaster II - How many times are you going to have to die for being KING MAFIA?
The Soldier - Would you rather be Ascetic or a Kill-Immune Townie, and why?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
notquitethere II - Who'd the Random Number God pick to be our adversary this time?
Okami no Rei: In this gametype, when do you think a massclaim is a good idea, if ever?Massclaims are not a good idea, unless we're certain they're all that's between us and a successful scum lynch the same day. There's otherwise no reason to give the KING a chance to make one or more informed mafia-kills.
Post by: notquitethere on March 27, 2013, 06:26:17 am
Okami
notquitethere II - Who'd the Random Number God pick to be our adversary this time?Only Leaf and the King know that (unless someone has an infallible day inspect that they're not telling us about). Looking back at the last two King flips, were there signs in those player's posts that they were the King?
Toaster II
Is it too early to rule out the possibility of even more anarchists in this game?
The Soldier
What's a more sure way of rooting out the king: using a power-role or traditional scum hunting?
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2013, 10:06:47 am
The Soldier:
Toaster: The most important thing I realized is that I'll have to be at the top of my game. I was totally surprised by your and UI's flip. Also, that hammers mean keeping track of votes is vital.
What would be the worst part of accidentally hammering someone?
Toaster II - How many times are you going to have to die for being KING MAFIA?
Probably a few times. I had a high death rate in the last one.
Okami no Rei: In this gametype, when do you think a massclaim is a good idea, if ever?Massclaims are not a good idea, unless we're certain they're all that's between us and a successful scum lynch the same day. There's otherwise no reason to give the KING a chance to make one or more informed mafia-kills.
Does this statement take into account the high rate of massclaims in the last game, that contributed to it lasting over 18 rounds?
NQT:
Toaster II
Is it too early to rule out the possibility of even more anarchists in this game?
No. There are always assholes in the world.
How does this question help you find scum?
Deathsword: Does surviving several rounds give you an advantage here?
Post by: webadict on March 27, 2013, 10:22:16 am
Mirror
Kill-Immune Townie
Nexus
Astrologer
Dirty Bomber
These came up far too often when I ran it last time, and I figured they should be added, for sheer unoriginality.
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2013, 10:36:55 am
Post by: Leafsnail on March 27, 2013, 10:44:39 am
Nerf list addition: Mirror (because it's a stealth PGO)
Post by: notquitethere on March 27, 2013, 10:53:52 am
How does [asking about anarchists] help you find scum?If you were to have given me a compelling argument as to why there couldn't be any more anarchists, then we might have got a clearer idea about the night results if we don't manage to get the King today.
Do you think the wisdom or folly of massclaiming has changed in any way when you take into account the fact that survivors quite possibly will have picked up additional powers?
Toonyman, what think you of this?
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2013, 10:59:38 am
Do you think the wisdom or folly of massclaiming has changed in any way when you take into account the fact that survivors quite possibly will have picked up additional powers?
Any massclaim would need to be redone when a new round started. Even during a round, if your role changes in any way after a massclaim, you are obliged to report it- just like you'd report night results on a new day after a massclaim.
As such, the answer to your question is no.
What's your opinion on massclaims?
Post by: notquitethere on March 27, 2013, 11:10:06 am
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2013, 11:12:33 am
Post by: notquitethere on March 27, 2013, 11:27:29 am
Post by: Captain Ford on March 27, 2013, 11:47:18 am
For the record, I shot Hapah N1 R1. If Toony delayed me, no idea where the bullet came from.Only Leafsnail knows what happened N1. I asked him about multiple anarchists, and it turns out their effects stack. Everyone had a 75% chance to be randomized that night.
Actually, the flavor kind of suggests you killed yourself. It clearly described a suicide pack.
ToonyMan:
If the wife is murdered chances are the husband did it. At least, in fiction. :P...Hapah isn't my wife.
But this is a fictional game!
I'd still like to understand what your logic was, exactly, even though it's irrelevant now.
Deathsword: Why hospital director?
Okami: Why did you hammer Tiruin?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on March 27, 2013, 12:20:23 pm
Other than Mirror none of those seem particularly overpowered or annoying. I think I'm prepared to give them a second chance (which will be revoked if too many people submit them).I'd suggest Toxic Goo for the same reason (delayed PGO)
Nerf list addition: Mirror (because it's a stealth PGO)
Post by: Leafsnail on March 27, 2013, 12:38:07 pm
Actually, the flavor kind of suggests you killed yourself. It clearly described a suicide pack.Flavour will never reveal or hint at anything that isn't also said in the summary text.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 27, 2013, 12:48:38 pm
Urist Imiknorris has been killed.I love whoever is killing the King Mafia. It's hilarious, hahahaa.
He was an Anarchist Hospital director (mafia) and KING MAFIA.
Round 2 is now over.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it doesn't matter how wrong I am they always die. Although that means our vig is still out there.
Let me reiterate that anyone who sent Anarchist is an asshole.You should have seen how pissed I was when Tiruin flipped, and THEN Urist Imik flips as an Anarchist too (although I believe that means Deathsword was the one who picked that originally).
So yeah screw you Tiruin and Deathsword. If there's anymore Anarchists I'm going to kill myself.
Captain Ford must have figured out there was at least one anarchist because he mentions it quite a lot Round 2.
ToonyMan: What all happened in Round Two that will help you find scum in Round Three?Fucking Anarchists. Do they stack? I'm curious whether my delay of UI even had a 25% chance of working. Either way, I'll need to be less demanding with my power role. It's still possible that my delay DID work on UI and the Hapah death was from our wonderful vig, but the vig didn't claim (I guess I can't blame them) which made me really confused!
So yeah, I should have saw how fucking lazy UI was being even if it conflicted with my results. Then again, with Anarchist nerfed now I can at least trust them a little more.
Although it sucks that everybody knows my role now, I'm not King Mafia this round either so it's like...Captain Ford, Deathsword, and I are the only original players left and I still haven't had a chance which I guess is still really likely.
(PPE:
Also when I say "vig" it doesn't have to be like, going out and shooting the mafia dead, it's also possibly a reflect or whatever as well.)
ToonyMan - I was wrong about you last round. Has that changed?Not much.
Since I full-claimed last round there's no reason to hide what my actions are I guess. I said I would delay Captain Ford last night, but I actually delayed you Okami just to at least cover the possibility it was you and not Ford (Ford wouldn't mafiakill if he knew I was going to delay him, probably). This doesn't matter too largely because of the shitton of anarchists we have but it's worth admitting.
That also means you likely didn't kill Urist Imik.
For the record, I shot Hapah N1 R1. If Toony delayed me, no idea where the bullet came from.Huh, Leafsnail confirmed that your kill wouldn't work then. So somebody else shot Hapah and it lined up perfectly.
On mass-claiming? If there's any more anarchists they'll probably keep their mouth shut in shame. And I don't think a mass-claim is a good idea either.How does [asking about anarchists] help you find scum?If you were to have given me a compelling argument as to why there couldn't be any more anarchists, then we might have got a clearer idea about the night results if we don't manage to get the King today.
Do you think the wisdom or folly of massclaiming has changed in any way when you take into account the fact that survivors quite possibly will have picked up additional powers?
Toonyman, what think you of this?
They stack?? Hahahaha how am I still alive in this game...so many random chances of dying...For the record, I shot Hapah N1 R1. If Toony delayed me, no idea where the bullet came from.Only Leafsnail knows what happened N1. I asked him about multiple anarchists, and it turns out their effects stack. Everyone had a 75% chance to be randomized that night.
Actually, the flavor kind of suggests you killed yourself. It clearly described a suicide pack.
Wait maybe there isn't a vig at all. Maybe Toaster and Urist Imik BOTH killed themselves. Oh god I'm dying
Fuck anarchists but they are hilarious
ToonyMan:I was being an idiot really. I don't like how you specifically dissected one thing of my list on suspicions on you (it's like saying 10% of my case is wrong so my whole case is wrong). And while it was wrong I thought you were being anal. I should have just wrote it off the list instead of trying desperately to literate a meaning from it. It sort of works, right??If the wife is murdered chances are the husband did it. At least, in fiction. :P...Hapah isn't my wife.
But this is a fictional game!
I'd still like to understand what your logic was, exactly, even though it's irrelevant now.
Deathsword. You're King Mafia now right? I'm so jealous.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 27, 2013, 02:34:33 pm
Reading the mod is fun.
Toony:
Captain Ford must have figured out there was at least one anarchist because he mentions it quite a lot Round 2.In all fairness, I said it once, and most of the rest was answering questions about it.
I was being an idiot really. I don't like how you specifically dissected one thing of my list on suspicions on you (it's like saying 10% of my case is wrong so my whole case is wrong). And while it was wrong I thought you were being anal. I should have just wrote it off the list instead of trying desperately to literate a meaning from it.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I addressed both of your points against me (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4131417#msg4131417). The only other reasons you listed for suspecting me was process of elimination.
You already had plenty of good reasons for not discarding UI as a suspect. You just chose to ignore them and there was nothing I could do about that.
It sort of works, right??Sort of, I guess. If I was worried about it looking like I was buddying with Hapah, killing him off would be the easiest way to get rid of the problem. Except not, because it doesn't actually make the accusations go away.
In any case, I wasn't worried about it. As I've made quite clear, I'm not afraid to be nice to the nice guy. (Or anybody else, if I'm in the mood)
Post by: Teneb on March 27, 2013, 04:32:05 pm
The Soldier:
Deathsword: How would you characterize your meta?Frankly, I have no idea what my meta is. Some people think I am rather cranky.
Toaster
Deathsword: Does surviving several rounds give you an advantage here?I think not, since people know my role (UI's original role)
Ford:
Deathsword: Why hospital director?That was added to my role, I picked just Anarchist.
ToonyMan:
Deathsword. You're King Mafia now right? I'm so jealous.Not yet. Maybe in the next round.
Post by: The Soldier on March 27, 2013, 06:18:21 pm
The Soldier - Would you rather be Ascetic or a Kill-Immune Townie, and why?Spoiler (click to show/hide)Okami no Rei: In this gametype, when do you think a massclaim is a good idea, if ever?Massclaims are not a good idea, unless we're certain they're all that's between us and a successful scum lynch the same day. There's otherwise no reason to give the KING a chance to make one or more informed mafia-kills.
Spoiler: Answer to your question (click to show/hide)
Interesting response. I noticed that in the previous KotM, early massclaims were fairly common. Do you feel that it was a mistake for those players to massclaim?
NQT:
The SoldierTraditional scumhunting. Unless one of the players is Heath Ledger's Joker, everyone does something for a reason, and that reason can be determined. Power roles certainly can help, but they can go wrong easily. And it doesn't matter that you got a guilty inspect if you have such a shitty day game that no one believes you. What do you think?
What's a more sure way of rooting out the king: using a power-role or traditional scum hunting?
Toaster:
The Soldier:Ending the day before any good discussion could happen. Town's gotta make the most of every day and find the KING before he plants a knife in everyone's back.Toaster: The most important thing I realized is that I'll have to be at the top of my game. I was totally surprised by your and UI's flip. Also, that hammers mean keeping track of votes is vital.
What would be the worst part of accidentally hammering someone?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 27, 2013, 07:04:48 pm
In any case, I wasn't worried about it. As I've made quite clear, I'm not afraid to be nice to the nice guy. (Or anybody else, if I'm in the mood)Nice guy is fine as long as you're productive and really you've been playing better than me probably. My night-action targets have been good (Toaster and UI), but it never works in my favor come day-time.
ToonyMan:Same question, same answer.Deathsword. You're King Mafia now right? I'm so jealous.Not yet. Maybe in the next round.
It should also be said that Deathsword and Okami were town last round, the hammerers. I was also the L-1 voter in both cases.
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2013, 08:09:50 pm
Toaster:The Soldier:Ending the day before any good discussion could happen. Town's gotta make the most of every day and find the KING before he plants a knife in everyone's back.Toaster: The most important thing I realized is that I'll have to be at the top of my game. I was totally surprised by your and UI's flip. Also, that hammers mean keeping track of votes is vital.
What would be the worst part of accidentally hammering someone?
Very solid answer. Would you suspect someone who claimed to accidentally hammer a townie?
Toony:
It should also be said that Deathsword and Okami were town last round, the hammerers. I was also the L-1 voter in both cases.
I think this falls under one of Web's town tells- that of scum playing textbook to avoid doing things considered scummy. Do you think that is applicable in this game?
Post by: The Soldier on March 27, 2013, 08:20:47 pm
The Soldier:It would depend on the circumstances. Nobody's perfect after all. I would overall lean towards giving them the benefit of the doubt, but repeat offenses would be taken seriously. I would think that once someone had accidentally hammered once, that they'd keep better track of the votes from then on.
-Quote Pyramid removed-
Very solid answer. Would you suspect someone who claimed to accidentally hammer a townie?
Post by: Toaster on March 27, 2013, 08:21:49 pm
The Soldier:It would depend on the circumstances. Nobody's perfect after all. I would overall lean towards giving them the benefit of the doubt, but repeat offenses would be taken seriously. I would think that once someone had accidentally hammered once, that they'd keep better track of the votes from then on.
-Quote Pyramid removed-
Very solid answer. Would you suspect someone who claimed to accidentally hammer a townie?
Given these are seven player rounds and you're unlikely to see more than two days before MYLO/LYLO, what kind of repeat offense do you need?
Post by: The Soldier on March 27, 2013, 08:33:49 pm
I meant accidentally hammering twice, and was thinking more about mistakes carrying over between rounds, but it now occurs to me that someone's alignment in one round means nothing for their alignment in another. So, bad logic on my end. With this in mind, my answer of overall being willing to believe it was a mistake remains unchanged.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 27, 2013, 09:44:29 pm
Toaster II
Probably a few times. I had a high death rate in the last one.Probably because you're hard to read. I've got my eye on you. Unvote
Does this statement take into account the high rate of massclaims in the last game, that contributed to it lasting over 18 rounds?Negative. I'll add that one to my "To Read" list of games.
notquitethere II
OkamiOther than Toaster's Miller claim, I didn't see a thing.notquitethere II - Who'd the Random Number God pick to be our adversary this time?Only Leaf and the King know that (unless someone has an infallible day inspect that they're not telling us about). Looking back at the last two King flips, were there signs in those player's posts that they were the King?
Do you think the wisdom or folly of massclaiming has changed in any way when you take into account the fact that survivors quite possibly will have picked up additional powers?What do you mean by this?
Captain Ford
Okami: Why did you hammer Tiruin?Because he looked like scum, and I was working late that day. That was my last chance to post before the day ended. I bagged me an Anarchist, so I don't regret it.
ToonyMan
Not much.So, on a scale of One (Town) to Ten (KING MAFIA), how much is not much?
I said I would delay Captain Ford last night, but I actually delayed you Okami just to at least cover the possibility it was you and not Ford (Ford wouldn't mafiakill if he knew I was going to delay him, probably).I figured you might do that.
Deathsword
Frankly, I have no idea what my meta is. Some people think I am rather cranky.Rather? It's clear to all that you've been taking lessons from Dariush.
Who are you going to quick-hammer this round?
The Soldier
Town Perspective:Must be why it's on the nerf list now.
Kill-immune means that you can checkmate the KING MAFIA if it gets down to 2 players, and gives town more time to find him should he try to kill me before then. Ascetic is nice to not get screwed with by anarchists, but Kill-Immune is the winner here.
Mafia Perspective:
In a normal game, I'd lean towards Ascetic to stop pesky inspects and roleblocks. Here in KotM, though, there are bound to be more kills flying around. So, Kill-Immune wins here too.
Interesting response. I noticed that in the previous KotM, early massclaims were fairly common. Do you feel that it was a mistake for those players to massclaim?Hold that thought. Apparently I have to read the previous KotM now. I'll answer in my next post.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 27, 2013, 10:07:21 pm
PWI (Posting While Intoxicated)Ahh...interesting.
A town anarchist.Okami: Why did you hammer Tiruin?Because he looked like scum, and I was working late that day. That was my last chance to post before the day ended. I bagged me an Anarchist, so I don't regret it.
Albeit a lying town anarchist.
...*sigh*. I guess I can't find you scummy for it. Considering you were objectively town. There were only a few hours left in the day, after all. And it being your last chance to vote is a perfectly fair justification. Unvote.
A general heads up: I went in to get my prescription filled today, and it turns out there's a shortage in my area. I might be a bit flaky or more "off-kilter" than usual for a few days as a result of the shenanigans I'm going to have to engage in tomorrow.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 27, 2013, 10:39:14 pm
ToonyMan: Toaster, Okami No Rei (2)
Deathsword: ToonyMan (1)
Toaster: notquitethere (1)
Okami No Rei: The Soldier (1)
Not voting: Captain Ford, Deathsword (2)
Deathsword has been prodded.
Day ends in 24 hours time.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 27, 2013, 10:54:01 pm
Does this statement take into account the high rate of massclaims in the last game, that contributed to it lasting over 18 rounds?Are you talking about the first KotM here? I'm pretty sure the game I just read was only one round. Or is there some other, non-KotM game that consists of multiple rounds?
Interesting response. I noticed that in the previous KotM, early massclaims were fairly common. Do you feel that it was a mistake for those players to massclaim?The massclaims were a mistake, in my opinion. The only one justified in claiming during the first day was Native Foreigner, as he needed to explain the lack of a vote. Everybody was so busy looking at the role logic, and Leaf just waltzed on through with some excellent Town play.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 28, 2013, 07:42:10 am
Refresh Vote: ToonyMan
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2013, 09:25:34 am
I agree with your point about the unreliability of powers, it's very easy to get blocked or re-directed. What happens at night is always going to be somewhat unclear whereas who people vote for and pressure during the day cannot be hidden.What's a more sure way of rooting out the king: using a power-role or traditional scum hunting?Traditional scumhunting. Unless one of the players is Heath Ledger's Joker, everyone does something for a reason, and that reason can be determined. Power roles certainly can help, but they can go wrong easily. And it doesn't matter that you got a guilty inspect if you have such a shitty day game that no one believes you. What do you think?
Deathsword, you going to post, your majesty?
Post by: Teneb on March 28, 2013, 10:36:35 am
ToonyMan, are you just going to let that vote sit on me while doing nothing or are you going to do something with it?ToonyMan:Same question, same answer.Deathsword. You're King Mafia now right? I'm so jealous.Not yet. Maybe in the next round.
Deathsword, you going to post, your majesty?Your imperial highness should go hunt instead of prodding a guy with bad internet
Post by: ToonyMan on March 28, 2013, 10:50:52 am
Toony:Yes. The King Mafia so far have been acting anxious. Toaster wanted to extend the game to avoid dying, UI hardly posted at all.It should also be said that Deathsword and Okami were town last round, the hammerers. I was also the L-1 voter in both cases.I think this falls under one of Web's town tells- that of scum playing textbook to avoid doing things considered scummy. Do you think that is applicable in this game?
Toaster:I agree, accidental hammers are totally possible.
I meant accidentally hammering twice, and was thinking more about mistakes carrying over between rounds, but it now occurs to me that someone's alignment in one round means nothing for their alignment in another. So, bad logic on my end. With this in mind, my answer of overall being willing to believe it was a mistake remains unchanged.
If anything anybody who tries lynching someone for hammering solely because of that (UI on Deathsword and sort of me, Ottofar in one of the older KotM rounds) is being a scumass.
ToonyManI'm still a town Delayer. I didn't even get a PM last night.Not much.So, on a scale of One (Town) to Ten (KING MAFIA), how much is not much?
Why?I said I would delay Captain Ford last night, but I actually delayed you Okami just to at least cover the possibility it was you and not Ford (Ford wouldn't mafiakill if he knew I was going to delay him, probably).I figured you might do that.
Let me get this straight. Your second post of the round doesn't do anything but complain about the guy voting you and that you have bad internet? Deathsword. I think you are the one that needs to stop sitting around doing nothing.ToonyMan, are you just going to let that vote sit on me while doing nothing or are you going to do something with it?ToonyMan:Same question, same answer.Deathsword. You're King Mafia now right? I'm so jealous.Not yet. Maybe in the next round.
Post by: The Soldier on March 28, 2013, 11:25:08 am
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2013, 11:31:46 am
Ford:
Toaster: I presume you're not a miller this time?
Nope. I would have claimed it first post if I was.
Why didn't you follow up when I forgot to answer this question?
In any case, I just read over everyone. There wasn't much.
Deathsword has done nothing but respond to RVS questions, yell at NQT for voting him for doing nothing, and vote Toony for his vote hanging on him.
ToonyMan has asked and answered questions, and kept his vote on Deathsword for doing what I said above.
Ford has RVSed. I found it odd that he attempted to scumhunt Okami based on actions in the previous round (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4136473#msg4136473). Curious.
Okami has RVSed, and is currently voting Toony (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4136431#msg4136431) for unclear reasons. Pressure, maybe?
NQT has RVSed and had an exchange with me, and voted DS for doing nothing. Can't say he's done a lot more, but then again content has been very light today.
The Solider has RVSed and is
Results? I'd keep an eye on Ford and NQT, but I have no problem putting Deathsword at L-1. If his only content is complaining about votes on him, this is not town behavior.
Ford: Why are you scumhunting Okami for what he did last round?
NQT: What is the most suspicious thing you have seen someone do this round? This separate from your case on Deathsword, where you vote him for something he's not doing (IE hunt scum.)
(OOC) Okami: Here's the big thread. Thirteen, eighteen, it was a while ago. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=79995.0)
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2013, 12:16:44 pm
NQT: What is the most suspicious thing you have seen someone do this round? This separate from your case on Deathsword, where you vote him for something he's not doing (IE hunt scum.)Good question. I'd say my eyebrow was raised by Toonyman's assurances in his first substantive post that he definitely wasn't scum for the third time around. But I can see why that could just be a note of exasperation, so maybe I should take that as a null tell.
What do you reckon, Toony, would you be suspicious if, say, Ford went out of his way to assure everyone that he was town again this round as well?
Leafsnail, does a Delayer delayed action still happen in between rounds? What about if the original actor is dead?
Giving Toony the benefit of the doubt regarding his role claim for just a moment, I'm just wondering if we should see dangerous repurcussions in later rounds from delayed early rounds.
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2013, 12:33:41 pm
What repercussion would be dangerous?
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2013, 12:42:35 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2013, 12:47:39 pm
Mod: If an action is delayed, and the user is killed before the action goes off, will the action still occur during the next night?No.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 28, 2013, 12:52:00 pm
I think it's been said in-thread, too, but I don't remember when or where. I think Toony said it a little while ago after you mentioned targeting Hapah.
PPE: Ninjaed
Toaster: Did you know that you are the first person this round to ask me a question?
Why didn't you follow up when I forgot to answer this question?Didn't notice/wasn't important. You would've claimed it first post if you were.
Ford: Why are you scumhunting Okami for what he did last round?Even though he was town then, it seemed like the kind of subject that could make a person nervous. It certainly didn't seem worse than a throwaway RVS question.
Deathsword is currently at L-1. I'm going to take a look into why.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 28, 2013, 01:05:40 pm
I had trouble accessing the site yesterday around the same time, so I don't doubt his story about 504s. He probably doesn't have as much freedom as I do to post at work. Nothing really strikes me as unusual about DS's posts except that there are even less of them than usual.
If I had to pick out the laziest bandwagoner, though, it would have to be NQT.
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2013, 01:17:39 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2013, 01:27:37 pm
Toaster: Did you know that you are the first person this round to ask me a question?
How does that make you feel?
Why didn't you follow up when I forgot to answer this question?Didn't notice/wasn't important. You would've claimed it first post if you were.
I see. Then why ask?
Ford: Why are you scumhunting Okami for what he did last round?Even though he was town then, it seemed like the kind of subject that could make a person nervous. It certainly didn't seem worse than a throwaway RVS question.
I half agree with you. Let's review:
Okami: Why did you hammer Tiruin?
This is a great way to try to provoke a scummy reaction. No problem here.
A town anarchist.Okami: Why did you hammer Tiruin?Because he looked like scum, and I was working late that day. That was my last chance to post before the day ended. I bagged me an Anarchist, so I don't regret it.
Albeit a lying town anarchist.
...*sigh*. I guess I can't find you scummy for it. Considering you were objectively town. There were only a few hours left in the day, after all. And it being your last chance to vote is a perfectly fair justification. Unvote.
This is... what? Regret that you can't scumhunt him for it? I take issue with this response.
Deathsword is currently at L-1. I'm going to take a look into why.
How did you know he was L-1 without even reading my blatant comment that I was doing it?
NQT:
How does being the first person to put a legitimate vote on someone bandwagoning, Ford? Toony RVS'd DS, I later put my second vote on DS for not participating/hunting. If anyone is the bandwagoner, it's Toaster, openly putting DS in L-1.
This is awfully defensive of a weak vote.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 28, 2013, 01:57:27 pm
Toaster:
I was pretty ticked when he did that. I called him dumb, among other things. The *sigh* was me letting go of all the things I wanted to say, but that weren't going to lead anywhere....*sigh*. I guess I can't find you scummy for it. Considering you were objectively town. There were only a few hours left in the day, after all. And it being your last chance to vote is a perfectly fair justification. Unvote.This is... what? Regret that you can't scumhunt him for it? I take issue with this response.
LurkerTracker. And I missed that part of your post the first time through. I'm usually more observant, but I got my meds late today and I'm not all there right now.Deathsword is currently at L-1. I'm going to take a look into why.How did you know he was L-1 without even reading my blatant comment that I was doing it?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 28, 2013, 02:08:25 pm
Ignored. And maybe a little lonely.Toaster: Did you know that you are the first person this round to ask me a question?How does that make you feel?
To see how you answered. To clarify: I forgot about it.I see. Then why ask?Why didn't you follow up when I forgot to answer this question?Didn't notice/wasn't important. You would've claimed it first post if you were.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 28, 2013, 02:10:45 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2013, 02:39:41 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on March 28, 2013, 05:11:06 pm
Leafsnail, does a Delayer delayed action still happen in between rounds? What about if the original actor is dead?Yes, no.
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 28, 2013, 05:38:23 pm
Because you said you were going to Delay Captain Ford. My read of your meta resolved that bit of WIFOM as a Delay on myself.I figured you might do that.Why?
Toaster
Okami has RVSed, and is currently voting Toony (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4136431#msg4136431) for unclear reasons. Pressure, maybe?Got it in one.
I'd keep an eye on Ford and NQT, but I have no problem putting Deathsword at L-1. If his only content is complaining about votes on him, this is not town behavior.Perhaps not Town behavior, but it does seem like Deathsword behavior.
Is that it, Toaster? You want to lynch an active-lurker tonight since no one else is popping on your scumdar?
(OOC) Okami: Here's the big thread. Thirteen, eighteen, it was a while ago. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=79995.0)Many thanks. I thought the round in which Leaf won was both first and last. Didn't realize there was a prequel.
notquitethere II
You missed a question:
Do you think the wisdom or folly of massclaiming has changed in any way when you take into account the fact that survivors quite possibly will have picked up additional powers?What do you mean by this?
I agree.How does being the first person to put a legitimate vote on someone bandwagoning, Ford? Toony RVS'd DS, I later put my second vote on DS for not participating/hunting. If anyone is the bandwagoner, it's Toaster, openly putting DS in L-1.This is awfully defensive of a weak vote.
In addition, not only did you vote Deathsword for not posting, but you didn't remove your vote, or ask him any further questions after he posted, so the pressure from your vote is currently going to waste. In addition, you've posted several times since Toaster put him at L-1, without moving your vote, so you're clearly OK with Deathsword dying tonight. For that reason, I believe the charge of bandwagoning stands.
notquitethere - Why is your presently useless vote still on Deathsword?
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 28, 2013, 05:41:41 pm
Proofread that one too few times.In addition,Not only did you vote Deathsword for not posting, but you didn't remove your vote, or ask him any further questions after he posted, so the pressure from your vote is currently going to waste. In addition, you've posted several times since Toaster put him at L-1, without moving your vote, so you're clearly OK with Deathsword dying tonight. For that reason, I believe the charge of bandwagoning stands.
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2013, 05:59:26 pm
Unvote
Toast, Okami, Ford, my vote was a pressure but I don't want someone to die just because they have a crappy connection. I wanted to wait until DS had posted something more substantial before digging in with some more questions.
Okami- I was referring to the Santa flip and the possibility of similar ability giving or changing roles out there. Not rocket science. You going to answer my question then?
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 28, 2013, 06:16:32 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 28, 2013, 07:53:46 pm
I'd keep an eye on Ford and NQT, but I have no problem putting Deathsword at L-1. If his only content is complaining about votes on him, this is not town behavior.Perhaps not Town behavior, but it does seem like Deathsword behavior.
Is that it, Toaster? You want to lynch an active-lurker tonight since no one else is popping on your scumdar?(OOC) Okami: Here's the big thread. Thirteen, eighteen, it was a while ago. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=79995.0)Many thanks. I thought the round in which Leaf won was both first and last. Didn't realize there was a prequel.
I'm not super familiar with Deathsword behavior.
In any case, did you read my post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4137535#msg4137535)? Ford and NQT were both pinging mine. Ford cleared up my issues with him. Not only did Notquitethere try to deflect on to me (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4137786#msg4137786), but he also backed off a "pressure" vote (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4138489#msg4138489) without the person in question even responding. Such action tied the vote, so I'll be happy to break it in his favor.
Deathsword may be passive to the point of inactive, but NQT is being actively scummy now.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 28, 2013, 09:58:48 pm
I'm not sure. Ford was correct in reading you as town in Revolution even though I couldn't see it. Voicing annoyance against the game itself is hard to call especially when you can manipulate that. I will be mad if Toaster got King Mafia again though.NQT: What is the most suspicious thing you have seen someone do this round? This separate from your case on Deathsword, where you vote him for something he's not doing (IE hunt scum.)Good question. I'd say my eyebrow was raised by Toonyman's assurances in his first substantive post that he definitely wasn't scum for the third time around. But I can see why that could just be a note of exasperation, so maybe I should take that as a null tell.
What do you reckon, Toony, would you be suspicious if, say, Ford went out of his way to assure everyone that he was town again this round as well?
Post by: Leafsnail on March 28, 2013, 10:44:59 pm
ToonyMan: Deathsword (1)
Deathsword: ToonyMan (1)
notquitethere: Captain Ford, Okami No Rei, Toaster (3)
Not voting: The Soldier, notquitethere (2)
Day ending flavour will follow shortly.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 28, 2013, 11:18:28 pm
He tried to push himself past his limits, to find some way, any way out of that building. But it was no use - as he continued phasing in and out of reality he realized his mistake. But he couldn't stop. The implants and augments he had attached to himself were stuck, and kept working harder and harder.
He continued blinking in and out of existence, faster and faster. Then, finally, NQT II was erased entirely. The third provisional mafia king had simply vanished altogether.
notquitethere II has been lynched.
He was a Cyborg (mafia) and KING MAFIA.
Round 3 is now over.
New nerf list addition: Cyborg.
One new man approached to replace the fallen king.
He was Hapah II, a man even more renown for his charm and good grace than his unfortunate uncle. That a mafia don could be found within the pages of any popular gossip magazine struck most of the assembly as ridiculous.
The contest went on.
Hapah II has joined the game.
A new KING MAFIA has been randomly selected.
It is now Round 4, Night 4. Please submit your night actions within the next 24 hours.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 29, 2013, 06:35:06 pm
Going through his belongings was certainly revealing. You find all kinds of weird photos and information regarding everyone he associated with. Birthdays, favourite foods, measurements... it seems that he was able to have such an impact by relentlessly finding out about everybody he knew.
Creepy.
Okami No Rei has been killed.
He was a Stalker (town).
There are no activity checks for weekends. Day will end 48 hours after the weekend finishes.
Post by: notquitethere on March 29, 2013, 07:04:25 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on March 29, 2013, 07:37:48 pm
ToonyMan: Who did you delay last night?
Deathsword: Are you king now?
The Soldier: How blindsided were you by NQT's flip, and what lessons will you take from it?
I think there's like, one other guy, but I forget who ...
Oh, right!
Hapah: Welcome back! I'm curious to know why you chose Arsonist before, and whether or not you knew that it's prime ability didn't work when you chose it.
Post by: The Soldier on March 29, 2013, 07:47:36 pm
Captain Ford: I wasn't too surprised after reading through the thread. Hindsight is 20/20, but he'd been acting very strange. The lesson I'll take from it? Pay attention and post more often; if NQT had been town, I suspect I'd have been seen as highly suspicious in the morning. How does it feel being one of the longest-lived players in the game?
Hapah: Welcome back. Was Arsonist your primary role, or was Santa? Why did you choose them?
ToonyMan:
Out of time for now, be back before too long.
Post by: Hapah on March 29, 2013, 08:49:59 pm
Post by: Toaster on March 29, 2013, 08:53:07 pm
Toaster: If you were roleblocked, would you claim it?
In this game, probably. Not 100% certainly, but probably. Are you looking for a block claim? You sure sound like you are.
Hapah: Is that because you're a ho (ho ho)?
Deathsword: Are you still busy? What do you think will be the consequences of doing nothing last round?
Soldier: Under what circumstances would you fire a vigilante kill the first night of a round that started at night?
Post by: Hapah on March 29, 2013, 09:00:39 pm
Hapah: Is that because you're a ho (ho ho)?Cute. I'ma Strike The Earth the next time you're in my Lib for that!
Post by: Toaster on March 29, 2013, 09:07:43 pm
Spoiler: OOC: PS2 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hapah on March 29, 2013, 09:33:37 pm
Spoiler: OOC:PS2 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toaster on March 29, 2013, 09:34:54 pm
Spoiler: Still OOC (click to show/hide)
Post by: Teneb on March 29, 2013, 09:52:18 pm
Deathsword: Are you king now?No.
Deathsword: Are you still busy? What do you think will be the consequences of doing nothing last round?I wasn't busy, my internet was complete shit. As for you question, I have no idea.
The Soldier: If you were a miller, would you claim? Also, if you were king, would you fakeclaim miller?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 29, 2013, 10:42:29 pm
ToonyMan: Who did you delay last night?Captain Ford. You probably didn't kill Okami at the very least.
It's also possible Okami accidentally killed himself (Stalker can either inspect or kill at night) like the other King Mafia likely did but then we'd have a missing kill and other headaches.
Hapah, would you play purposely worst to avoid being night-killed (obviously not bad enough to get lynched) in a game like this?
Post by: Toaster on March 29, 2013, 10:46:33 pm
It's also possible Okami accidentally killed himself (Stalker can either inspect or kill at night) like the other King Mafia likely did but then we'd have a missing kill and other headaches.
What does the inspect/role have anything to do with that?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 29, 2013, 10:50:28 pm
ToonyMan:Huh? If you mean my parenthesis I was stating the entire role for the uninformed.It's also possible Okami accidentally killed himself (Stalker can either inspect or kill at night) like the other King Mafia likely did but then we'd have a missing kill and other headaches.What does the inspect/role have anything to do with that?
Post by: The Soldier on March 29, 2013, 11:01:16 pm
Deathsword: If I was a miller, I would claim it. Fakeclaiming miller as the king is interesting, and I may have to try that sometime.
Hapah: Good a reason as any, heheheh.
ToonyMan: Any reason for Ford in particular?
Post by: ToonyMan on March 29, 2013, 11:09:50 pm
ToonyMan: Any reason for Ford in particular?I'd already done Toaster and Okami and I'm pretty sure Deathsword is a Purple Goo Magistrate if Urist Imik didn't lie with his claim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4124569#msg4124569). At the very least the purple goo claim would explain why Deathsword and UI swapped roles in the first place (Deathsword targeted him with his one-shot disable given by Santa Hapah).
Post by: Okami No Rei on March 30, 2013, 12:07:34 am
Post by: Teneb on March 30, 2013, 10:42:36 am
Post by: Captain Ford on March 30, 2013, 11:10:03 am
How does it feel being one of the longest-lived players in the game?Pretty good, actually. I also feel like a big target.
Toaster: I would vigkill N0 if there was someone I found dangerously difficult to read in the game.Is there anyone like that in this game?
Toaster:
In this game, probably. Not 100% certainly, but probably. Are you looking for a block claim? You sure sound like you are.Indeed I am. I blocked you last night using a one-shot I got from Hapah Night 0. (I figured there was no point in dying with it, and rolled to pick between you and Hapah)
So to be clear, you're saying you weren't blocked, then? If that's the case, then it looks like Toony was telling the truth about delaying me. Unless there are anarchists or redirects involved, you not being blocked would mean that both he and I are likely town.
PPE: Oooh ... actually, based on an answer I got from Leafsnail a while ago, it looks like you only get a blocked message if you actually took an action. If you didn't take an action, then I guess I can't verify Toony's claim. (A more recent answer had given me the impression that you'd get a message even if you didn't take an action)
ToonyMan: Your thoughts?
Hapah: Have any questions for us?
Deathsword: Do you think having Purple Goo out in the open is giving you a defensive advantage?
Post by: Hapah on March 30, 2013, 11:45:48 am
Hapah, would you play purposely worst to avoid being night-killed (obviously not bad enough to get lynched) in a game like this?Nope. Seems like a lot of extra work.
Quote from: Captain Ford
Hapah: Have any questions for us?Not right now. I don't normally play much on weekends.
Post by: ToonyMan on March 30, 2013, 11:51:04 am
ToonyMan: How do you feel about Ford denying you the oportunity to ask if I am king this time?I'm just happy somebody asked it. I probably would have if I got on sooner. :P
You were town last round so my accusation of you was incorrect. I would still prefer you make content-ful posts though.
Toaster:I wouldn't put these claims too highly. I do feel more confident you're town based on my night-action, but I can't make the same mistake I made with UI two rounds ago. It does help at least in confirming actions (I think with anarchists nerfed now they don't actually work anymore?), but I won't put you off my radar just because I got a town-type of result.In this game, probably. Not 100% certainly, but probably. Are you looking for a block claim? You sure sound like you are.Indeed I am. I blocked you last night using a one-shot I got from Hapah Night 0. (I figured there was no point in dying with it, and rolled to pick between you and Hapah)
So to be clear, you're saying you weren't blocked, then? If that's the case, then it looks like Toony was telling the truth about delaying me. Unless there are anarchists or redirects involved, you not being blocked would mean that both he and I are likely town.
PPE: Oooh ... actually, based on an answer I got from Leafsnail a while ago, it looks like you only get a blocked message if you actually took an action. If you didn't take an action, then I guess I can't verify Toony's claim. (A more recent answer had given me the impression that you'd get a message even if you didn't take an action)
ToonyMan: Your thoughts?
I have some school work to do this weekend (Spring Break is over!!) and since weekends don't count as hours I likely won't have more than an afternoon and evening post at best.
Post by: Toaster on March 30, 2013, 01:04:58 pm
This feels like rolefishing, but I'm not really sure.
The Soldier:
Toaster: I would vigkill N0 if there was someone I found dangerously difficult to read in the game.
So you feel the 1/6 chance to hit scum is a benefit to the town?
Post by: Captain Ford on March 30, 2013, 02:21:00 pm
I'm going to be busy tomorrow afternoon and evening, too. But for now I've got some time.
Hapah: I was more referring to the fact that you hadn't posted any questions since the start of the day. Were I in your shoes, I'd want to put something out there for people to answer over the weekend.
Toony: Point taken. If Toaster can't confirm that he wasn't blocked, then I can't confirm you delayed me.
Toaster: When I originally asked you about claiming, I thought you'd have gotten a message regardless of whether or not you'd taken an action. I actually expected you to simply not specify what you did last night (if anything). It wasn't my intention to ask you to claim anything other than whether you got a PM related to my action.
Had I known then what I know now, I would have simply claimed the action and let it play out. It would have ended the same way, though.
Post by: The Soldier on March 30, 2013, 03:32:43 pm
Captain Ford: Toaster's hard to read. How does surviving longer make you more of a target?
Toaster: My logic is this. Hard to read players have scum games that are nearly identical to their town games. It's often possible to seem like town's greatest asset up until they win. N0, all I know is that I have a kill, who knows if anyone else does. Ideally, killing the hard to read player would mean that candidates for King would be easier to read. I feel that tbis is worth the high chance of hitting town.
Ford should be red up there, but mt phone doesn't like going back.
Post by: Captain Ford on March 31, 2013, 03:14:49 pm
Had I known then what I know now, I would have simply claimed the action and let it play out. It would probably have ended the same way, though.
Soldier, The: I guess it doesn't. The fact that Okami died last night rather than me or Toony is proof enough of that.
But you asked how I feel, and sometimes that isn't rational. When the round started at night, I felt vulnerable because I had no reads and there was nothing I could do to defend myself. That's why I chose to fire off my block -- in the hopes of hitting scum and surviving until day.
Post by: Leafsnail on March 31, 2013, 03:39:41 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on March 31, 2013, 04:45:14 pm
Fair enough.Hapah, would you play purposely worst to avoid being night-killed (obviously not bad enough to get lynched) in a game like this?Nope. Seems like a lot of extra work.
Ford: I'll just have to take your claim at face value, because I took no action last night. I did not receive any night PM.What does that mean? Are they role-fishing or not?
This feels like rolefishing, but I'm not really sure.
But you asked how I feel, and sometimes that isn't rational. When the round started at night, I felt vulnerable because I had no reads and there was nothing I could do to defend myself. That's why I chose to fire off my block -- in the hopes of hitting scum and surviving until day.That makes sense, if my delay did work then Toaster should be unable to action next night.
Currently having a very shitty weekend. I finished my homework though, yay!
Post by: Leafsnail on April 01, 2013, 05:17:22 am
Suddenly, Toaster II was engulfed in flames. Everyone spun around and looked at him in surprise. It would... have to just be an accident, right? A likely ending for someone who played with fire.
Toaster has been killed.
His corpse was burnt beyond recognition.
However, the fire continued to spread. A mere spark from the fire on Toaster II struck Captain Ford, and that was enough for him to instantly go up in flames.
Captain Ford has been killed.
His corpse was burnt beyond recognition.
The Soldier began to panic. No human would catch fire so easily... this would have to be a deliberate act of arson. And, suddenly, Deathsword realized that his clothes felt faintly damp.
He didn't have long to consider the consequences of this fact. Fumes in the air ignited, and quickly spread to him.
The Soldier has been killed.
His corpse was burnt beyond recognition.
"How... how could this happen?" murmered Hapah II, "There are specific rules against using arson in this contest. Even Toaster himself couldn't get around them!"
"I guess you could say I found a loophole, of sorts." A shadowy figure put his left hand on Hapah II's shoulder. At the same time he clicked with his right hand... igniting a match and throwing it at ToonyMan, who was also consumed by the inferno.
ToonyMan has been killed.
His corpse was burnt beyond recognition.
"Simple, really. Gasoline may be disallowed, but what if I mix the gasoline in with an antidote? Seems the game didn't care about that. I spent the entire game "curing" the rest of you... and now I can win!"
"But how did you manage it, Deathsword? Can't you only bring one skill to the event?"
"Sure, Deathsword had no way of doing it. But I did, Hapah. The controller of the game may assign himself any role he likes!"
The figure tossed a lighter down onto Deathsword's prone body.
Deathsword has been killed.
His corpse was burnt beyond recognition.
"Then you... you are..."
"That's right. I am Leafsnail-XVII, the rightful MAFIA KING! My mindbending powers made faking my death easy."
"But why would you do that?"
"Simple - to call all my enemies to one spot, and have them eliminated. You did an excellent job of destroying each other, but you all failed to recognize your true enemy! And that means none of you are fit to be king. So it's farewell, Hapah.
Hapah II has been killed.
His corpse was burnt beyond recognition.
Leafsnail, Combined Poison Doctor Arsonist (mafia2) and TRUE KING MAFIA has won!
Too bad, you all failed. Looks like the mafia crown isn't going anywhere right now.
I understand this may surprise or upset a lot of you, but please at least read the detailed description of the game mechanics before complaining.
Spoiler: The setup (click to show/hide)
Post by: notquitethere on April 01, 2013, 05:57:16 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 01, 2013, 06:24:05 am
Post by: Captain Ford on April 01, 2013, 10:29:23 am
I totally didn't see that coming.
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 11:15:43 am
Blaugh. You got me.
I totally didn't see that coming.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 01, 2013, 11:47:59 am
Hahaha
KotM4 totally needs a TRUE MAFIA KING.
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2013, 12:10:27 pm
Deathsword: How long do you plan to lurk, again?
Hapah: You've also done essentially nothing. Who is scum and why?
The Soldier: Hmm. I see.
Post by: Teneb on April 01, 2013, 01:05:49 pm
How would delaying Toaster one night prevent him from doing an action in another night?But you asked how I feel, and sometimes that isn't rational. When the round started at night, I felt vulnerable because I had no reads and there was nothing I could do to defend myself. That's why I chose to fire off my block -- in the hopes of hitting scum and surviving until day.That makes sense, if my delay did work then Toaster should be unable to action next night.
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2013, 01:20:06 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 01, 2013, 02:33:58 pm
Deathsword: That question shows a real lack of effort on your part. The answer is pretty obvious: I blocked Toaster, and Toony delayed me, so my block should go off tomorrow night.
All of the clues are even present in that quote. What the heck?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 01, 2013, 04:13:13 pm
ToonyManCaptain Ford pretty much answered this.How would delaying Toaster one night prevent him from doing an action in another night?But you asked how I feel, and sometimes that isn't rational. When the round started at night, I felt vulnerable because I had no reads and there was nothing I could do to defend myself. That's why I chose to fire off my block -- in the hopes of hitting scum and surviving until day.That makes sense, if my delay did work then Toaster should be unable to action next night.
Toaster
I do want an answer!Ford: I'll just have to take your claim at face value, because I took no action last night. I did not receive any night PM.What does that mean? Are they role-fishing or not?
This feels like rolefishing, but I'm not really sure.
Hapah: You've also done essentially nothing. Who is scum and why?Also I agree, it's Monday now Hapah, PROD.
Post by: The Soldier on April 01, 2013, 04:14:23 pm
Mod: With 6 players, how many to hammer?
Deathsword: Even with shitty internet, you can still read the thread. This would be a vote, but I don't want to hammer so early in the day, and I'm not sure if it's 3 or 4 to hammer.
Captain Ford: Fair enough. Reasons for choosing Toaster over anyone else?
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 04:15:34 pm
Not sure exactly what you lot expect from me. I'll read the day's events and get a post out when I get off (in about an hour or so?)
Post by: Leafsnail on April 01, 2013, 04:16:32 pm
Post by: The Soldier on April 01, 2013, 04:18:38 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 04:20:00 pm
...so maybe don't put him at L-1, then?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 01, 2013, 04:23:29 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 01, 2013, 04:37:27 pm
I did some rolling, but ultimately I picked Toaster because I thought he was the most likely to target me if he were king. Also gut feeling.
PPE: Holy crap. 5 posts in 10 minutes?
Soldier, do you have anything original to ask DS? Or are you just happy to find a spot on the bandwagon?
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 05:07:34 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 06:28:55 pm
KotM4 totally needs a TRUE MAFIA KING.No way. It'll just get out of hang: KotM9 would have the Lord Sensai Baron Doctor True King Mafia or something.
Getting my new day reread in now.
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 07:00:52 pm
I don't see how you getting delayed says a thing about your alignment. Toony's, maybe. What's your reasoning?In this game, probably. Not 100% certainly, but probably. Are you looking for a block claim? You sure sound like you are.Indeed I am. I blocked you last night using a one-shot I got from Hapah Night 0. (I figured there was no point in dying with it, and rolled to pick between you and Hapah)
So to be clear, you're saying you weren't blocked, then? If that's the case, then it looks like Toony was telling the truth about delaying me. Unless there are anarchists or redirects involved, you not being blocked would mean that both he and I are likely town.
Also, why use the block this particular night, instead of any of the past nights? It smells a little off.
Hapah: You've also done essentially nothing. Who is scum and why?I'll wait for Ford to answer a few questions, if you don't mind.
Post by: The Soldier on April 01, 2013, 07:36:33 pm
No, I really don't have anything original on Deathsword. It was a hasty, poorly-thought out vote. Unvote.
Captain Ford: Was your Deathsword vote pressure or lynch? Also, why did you think Toaster was most likely to target you?
Toaster: Were you bluffing or serious when you said Deathsword could consider your pressure vote a lynch vote?
Deathsword: Do still explain your mistake.
Hapah: Toony claimed his N4 delay here, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4141063#msg4141063) after being asked about it by Ford.
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2013, 08:18:49 pm
ToasterI do want an answer!Ford: I'll just have to take your claim at face value, because I took no action last night. I did not receive any night PM.What does that mean? Are they role-fishing or not?
This feels like rolefishing, but I'm not really sure.
Whoops, missed that one.
I don't know. I guess you could say it looks like a duck but it doesn't quack like a duck, so I'm not sure if it's a duck or not. I suppose it isn't if he legitimately didn't know that I wouldn't know if I was blocked if I had taken no action.
The Soldier: Until he convinces me otherwise (or someone overtakes him like last round), it's a lynch vote. He got away with it last round, but enough is enough.
Why did you back off your Deathsword vote? Please go beyond "hasty, poorly-thought out vote."
Hapah: Fair enough.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 01, 2013, 08:24:44 pm
Deathsword: Toaster (1)
ToonyMan: Deathsword (1)
Toaster: ToonyMan, The Soldier (2)
The Soldier: Captain Ford (1)
Not voting: Hapah (1)
Hapah has been prodded.
Day ends in 24 hours.
Post by: Hapah on April 01, 2013, 08:43:48 pm
Post by: The Soldier on April 01, 2013, 11:03:46 pm
How does something Deathsword did last round affect his alignment this round?
Post by: Toaster on April 01, 2013, 11:36:35 pm
I will gladly answer your question once Deathsword responds to me.
Post by: The Soldier on April 02, 2013, 12:14:07 am
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 12:24:00 am
I don't see how you getting delayed says a thing about your alignment. Toony's, maybe. What's your reasoning?If I was delayed then I didn't kill Okami. I guess I am assuming that Okami was killed by the king, though. He at least wasn't killed by me or Toony (I don't think Toony would lie about that, considering how easily it could have come back to bite him).
Toony himself was pretty adamant that his delay isn't as reliable as he thought before. In all honesty, I can see that if I were the king and I submitted the kill on Okami, then I'd know for a fact that Toony's delay on me must have been redirected or delayed (as he would have been notified if he were blocked or disabled), but I didn't do the redirect myself. All it would take is for someone to claim the redirect or delay on Toony, and I don't see a good reason for a townie not to share that information. I truthfully believe that Toony's action was successful (I don't think there's any anarchists in the game).
But feel free to give your own assessment. Back when Toony used his delay on UI, I spoke up and indicated there may have been redirects going on. So far nobody's done that this round.
Also, why use the block this particular night, instead of any of the past nights? It smells a little off.This is the first time we've started a round at night with kills allowed. I had no clue who might be the king, and it felt like an appropriate time to use it.
I don't see what this has to do with me being scum, though. My claim is unprovable either way (unless Toaster actions the next night).
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 12:38:46 am
It feels like you're fishing for my role.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 01:36:23 am
I guess I am assuming that Okami was killed by the king, though.Mhmm. Just wanted to pick your brain a little.
That is technically true, but it's not the first night where the King could kill. He could kill any night besides the first one, yeah? The difference seems rather trivial to me.Also, why use the block this particular night, instead of any of the past nights? It smells a little off.This is the first time we've started a round at night with kills allowed. I had no clue who might be the king, and it felt like an appropriate time to use it.
I don't see what this has to do with me being scum, though. My claim is unprovable either way (unless Toaster actions the next night).I'm just struggling to piece together why you would use this action on this particular night, of all nights. It feels inconsistent.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 09:28:41 am
...it's not the first night where the King could kill. He could kill any night besides the first one, yeah? The difference seems rather trivial to me.Yes, you're right about that. Obviously the differences were not trivial to me.
Soldier:
Was your Deathsword vote pressure or lynch? Also, why did you think Toaster was most likely to target you?1. Pressure.
2. Gut feeling.
And I'm off to work!
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 09:54:13 am
I don't see what this has to do with me being scum, though. My claim is unprovable either way (unless Toaster actions the next night).I'm just struggling to piece together why you would use this action on this particular night, of all nights. It feels inconsistent.
So you're saying you wouldn't use a block in a "N0" situation? Why wouldn't you? If you have a role, why not use it?
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 10:20:50 am
I'm saying I don't understand why he'd wait until N4, when he could have used it on N1, N2, or N3. Especially given his "I didn't want to die with it" statement. He claims the block was a 1-shot he received from me N0.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 10:53:05 am
Yes, I agree that firing a one-shot action blind is pretty oddball.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 02, 2013, 12:43:44 pm
Toony:Hmmm okay.ToasterWhoops, missed that one.I do want an answer!Ford: I'll just have to take your claim at face value, because I took no action last night. I did not receive any night PM.What does that mean? Are they role-fishing or not?
This feels like rolefishing, but I'm not really sure.
I don't know. I guess you could say it looks like a duck but it doesn't quack like a duck, so I'm not sure if it's a duck or not. I suppose it isn't if he legitimately didn't know that I wouldn't know if I was blocked if I had taken no action.
Day ends in about eight hours so I'll give a read of everyone (from most to least scummy):
Toaster, I don't like his subtle suspicion throwing on Captain Ford, and he had been very quick to try to lynch Deathsword for the exact same reasons as last time.
The Soldier: Until he convinces me otherwise (or someone overtakes him like last round), it's a lynch vote. He got away with it last round, but enough is enough.I do agree that it's possible Deathsword is King Mafia, but aren't you just completely gambling here? You managed to lynch NQT correctly because you had a good "actively-scummy" read on him.
Hapah hasn't been the most active person, and his case on Captain Ford boils down to "why didn't you use your one-shot earlier??" even though them using their one-shot would mean they couldn't kill anybody. Although I find Toaster's agreement more suspicious.
Deathsword hasn't be very helpful at all and I'd reeeaally like if he posted today since his activity has been really bad. This was true last round so it's a painfully nulltell.
The Solider put Deathsword at L-1 pretty quick but I've already stated that is not something you should lynch over, I haven't caught anything bad he's said otherwise.
Captain Ford didn't kill Okami if my night-action worked. He also feels genuine in my gut, but maybe I've been with him too long now. Toaster (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4141965#msg4141965) and Hapah (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4146725#msg4146725) have both thrown suspicion on him, but my biggest scum reads are on Toaster and Hapah.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 12:58:25 pm
In any case, I'm holding judgement on Ford for the case of the above.
Deathsword is basically not playing. The way I see it, if I am blocked tonight, it's either him, Hapah, or Soldier. He's been non-participatory, Hapah is skimming along, and Soldier is the only one of the three trying to do some hunting. If you disagree that Deathsword should hang, I could get behind a Hapah lynch.
Toaster, I don't like his subtle suspicion throwing on Captain Ford, and he had been very quick to try to lynch Deathsword for the exact same reasons as last time.The Soldier: Until he convinces me otherwise (or someone overtakes him like last round), it's a lynch vote. He got away with it last round, but enough is enough.I do agree that it's possible Deathsword is King Mafia, but aren't you just completely gambling here? You managed to lynch NQT correctly because you had a good "actively-scummy" read on him.
How long are you going to let him get away with not playing? Like I said (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4146908#msg4146908), if a better lead comes along, I'll change my vote, but this can't go on forever. Right now there aren't better targets. If he comes along with a solid content post, I would move on to Hapah.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 02, 2013, 01:09:59 pm
Lynching me is pretty stupid, when if I'm blocked tonight (yes I'll be acting tonight) will clear both you and Ford.Okay, that makes sense. I was voting the top person purely on my scumreads, I forgot to incorporate other factors.
That means I'm gonna to vote Hapah for now, if Deathsword doesn't even post today I think I can accept him being lurky scum at that point but it just makes me so mad.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 01:17:51 pm
Ford: Any chance you could let me know who you visited at night in past rounds?
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 01:21:26 pm
Deathsword: Toaster (1)
ToonyMan: Deathsword (1)
Toaster: The Soldier (1)
The Soldier: Captain Ford (1)
Captain Ford: Hapah (1)
Hapah: ToonyMan(1)
Everyone is voting a different person. I don't think I've ever seen that outside a 3-man LYLO before.
I'm willing to break the tie in Hapah's favor. I'll be around for another 2 1/2 hours or so, then I probably won't be on before day end. If I haven't seen anything happen since then, I'll be doing so.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 01:27:27 pm
I was heavily suspicious of Toaster, but on rereading I don't see it anymore. His reasons for voting DS aren't bad. Even so, if my block was delayed (and I believe it was), then he couldn't kill this coming night if he wanted to. (PPE: Toaster beat me to it)
Hapah has my suspicion for doing nothing but picking at my block claim. He hasn't talked to or about anyone else (except to respond to Toaster), and we're very close to the lynch. Definitely feels wrong.
Soldier's reasons for unvoting Deathsword strike me as earnest.
I don't believe Toony would lie about delaying me. His reads are pretty tight, and his activity is good.
Deathsword's not posting is terrible. Toaster is right that we can't let him get away with it forever, but my intuition is telling me he's not the king.
PPE: Toaster, Toony, Hapah, Toaster
Hapah: No.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 01:31:47 pm
I'm picking at your block claim because:
-It doesn't mesh with your "use it or lose it" claim
-Considering I know what your role is, it seems even more unusual.
I'm not taking your role info to the grave with me unless I'm reasonably certain you aren't the King, and I'm not there yet. We can either play nice or I can puke up all the info I have before I get lynched.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 01:56:41 pm
Maybe I need to highlight this for you, since you seem to have missed it:
This is the first time we've started a round at night with kills allowed. I had no clue who might be the king, and it felt like an appropriate time to use it.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 02:03:18 pm
If you had no idea who the King might be, why'd you block at all? Even if you managed to block the King, you wouldn't necessarily know, with all the potential kill roles out there. And more than likely you'd simply block a Towny.
I'm going to assume you used your primary role ability N1 through N3. Are you going to tell me who you targeted?
Post by: Teneb on April 02, 2013, 02:20:49 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 02:30:46 pm
N1: Toaster
N2: Urist Imiknorris
N3: Urist Imiknorris
You may have made a different decision in my shoes. Statistically, you're probably right that firing off my primary ability would have been better. But I wasn't thinking statistically.
Does this help?
PPE: Deathsword. Seriously great timing.
Post by: Teneb on April 02, 2013, 02:39:16 pm
Deathsword: Do you think having Purple Goo out in the open is giving you a defensive advantage?I can't remember if I answered this or note (probably not), so here an answer: I don't think so. I believe my disable worked on UI, so if I am the target of a kill it means I'd day and cause a minor inconvenience for the King.
Soldier, please answer this. It was asked way back, you failed to answer it and it went unnoticed.Toaster: I would vigkill N0 if there was someone I found dangerously difficult to read in the game.Is there anyone like that in this game?
Additionally, how hard do you find reading Okami?
Deathsword: Do still explain your mistake.The post I did not long ago should explain it.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 02:42:38 pm
You may have made a different decision in my shoes. Statistically, you're probably right that firing off my primary ability would have been better. But I wasn't thinking statistically.The statistics don't really worry me at all. But do you see how I might be a tiny bit concerned about a change in behavior patterns as a new King Mafia is crowned?
And I guess your listed targets were the actual end results? (God knows who you intended to target N1 with 2 living Anarchists, lol)
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 02:43:25 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 02:45:09 pm
Ford: Whatever your role is and answer to Hapah's question, can you actually verify who you ended up targeting? Back when Web was hosting it, an inspect, for example, would return "Target is Town/Mafia" instead of "Dakarian is Town/Mafia."
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 02:49:44 pm
He did, actually, but he didn't quote the question. He fingered Toaster as hard to read.Soldier, please answer this. It was asked way back, you failed to answer it and it went unnoticed.Toaster: I would vigkill N0 if there was someone I found dangerously difficult to read in the game.Is there anyone like that in this game?
...what post?Deathsword: Do still explain your mistake.The post I did not long ago should explain it.
Hapah: Nope, those are the people I targeted. My action does not give confirmation messages if successful (most don't).
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 02:52:08 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 02, 2013, 02:53:04 pm
Deathsword:I'll try to find it. I've gone through the thread at least 3 times searching for it before posting.He did, actually, but he didn't quote the question. He fingered Toaster as hard to read.Soldier, please answer this. It was asked way back, you failed to answer it and it went unnoticed.Toaster: I would vigkill N0 if there was someone I found dangerously difficult to read in the game.Is there anyone like that in this game?
This post:...what post?Deathsword: Do still explain your mistake.The post I did not long ago should explain it.
I'll read the thread and post. I shouldn't have abandoned the game like I did. I apologize.
Post by: Teneb on April 02, 2013, 02:55:04 pm
PFP
Captain Ford: Toaster's hard to read. How does surviving longer make you more of a target?
I am blind.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 02:59:25 pm
But you should definitely be able to tell if it was successful. Did it work all nights?Good. You do actually know what my role is. That means you didn't kill Okami last night.
Yes, it worked all nights.
Post by: Toaster on April 02, 2013, 03:08:16 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 03:10:05 pm
Post by: The Soldier on April 02, 2013, 03:30:47 pm
- If we leave Toaster alive, we can confirm Toony and Ford as not having killed Okami. Toony seems most town, and Toaster and Ford are medium town.
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- I'm not going to lynch myself.
- Hapah is tunneling Ford, who can't have killed Okami unless Toony is also lying or got redirected or something. While it's weird to fire a one-shot with no information, Ford has shown he's fine with making decisions based on gut feelings. This is perfectly in-character for him. What is off is Hapah, who hasn't so much as asked a single non-RVS question to anyone but Ford today. This close t Looks like he's trying to drive a mislynch off the fact that Ford made a somewhat-questionable decision on power use.
Deathsword:
I actually did answer that, here:Soldier, please answer this. It was asked way back, you failed to answer it and it went unnoticed.Toaster: I would vigkill N0 if there was someone I found dangerously difficult to read in the game.Is there anyone like that in this game?
Additionally, how hard do you find reading Okami?
PFPSee the underlined. PPE2: Leaving a post sitting while you eat lunch leads to ninjas.
Captain Ford: Toaster's hard to read. How does surviving longer make you more of a target?
Toaster: My logic is this. Hard to read players have scum games that are nearly identical to their town games. It's often possible to seem like town's greatest asset up until they win. N0, all I know is that I have a kill, who knows if anyone else does. Ideally, killing the hard to read player would mean that candidates for King would be easier to read. I feel that tbis is worth the high chance of hitting town.
Ford should be red up there, but my phone doesn't like going back.
PPE3: Wait, what. So if Hapah didn't kill Okami, who did? Toaster or Deathsword? Okami doesn't seem like a particularly good vig target. Unless he is a Cheater:
Quote from: Xylbot role list
Cheater (town, mafia, mafia-ally; uncommon; 4+ players): Each night you learn the role PM of a random role in the setup, but not who has it. Actions: (auto)cheatUgh, I'm so confused. I'd still be up for lynching Hapah, because all he's done today is get Ford to softclaim, and his potential roles wouldn't be too big a loss for town if he isn't the King. Toaster should live to confirm Ford and Toony, and Deathsword is back in action.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 02, 2013, 03:34:34 pm
That makes a LOT more sense.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 03:39:54 pm
Cheater is apparently an actual role, lol. Toaster's point is true enough.
I tried to be a little more subtle this round, and I can't say it has worked out well for me: I spent all my time beating around the bush with Ford and don't have anything on anyone else. Maybe I'll just go back to the blunt approach.
I just don't know what to make of you, Ford. I still have questions, but I don't think I can ask them without explicitly spelling out your role.
How much time do we have left in the day?
PPE:
Ford: Yeah, not a literal cheater, lol. I still think I'll have to put your cards on the table if I'm heading for the gallows, though.
Soldier: How would you know if my roles would be a big loss to the town or not?
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 03:52:19 pm
I think my Ford vote counted for today, but gotta make sure: Captain Ford. Last thing I need is to get modkilled. ~_~
Post by: ToonyMan on April 02, 2013, 04:27:05 pm
You know, I think I will switch to Deathsword since Hapah said he'll reveal everything about Ford if he dies which doesn't sound like something King Mafia would do, at all. And Deathsword hasn't convinced me at all.
If Deathsword is King Mafia the round will end and I'll be happy.
If Deathsword isn't King Mafia I'll be delaying The Soldier tonight. If I'm right in not choosing Hapah that would leave Toaster and Captain Ford, Toaster needs to get blocked and if he is blocked than Ford is telling the truth about his block at least.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 05:31:38 pm
Mod: Can we get a votecount?
I've got to go out in about half an hour, probably won't be back before the day ends.
Post by: The Soldier on April 02, 2013, 05:32:05 pm
Toony: I'm OK with being delayed tonight.
Mod: Would a Cheater receive a random player's alignment along with their role? Also, could we get a votecount?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 02, 2013, 05:45:41 pm
Deathsword: Toaster, Captain Ford, ToonyMan (3)
Captain Ford: Hapah (1)
Hapah: The Soldier (1)
The Soldier: Deathsword (1)
Day ends 24 hours after the previous mod update - that's in about 2 hours and 40 minutes' time.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 02, 2013, 05:48:02 pm
Mod: Would a Cheater receive a random player's alignment along with their role?No - the role PM a cheater sees has the alignment obscured, and they will not see the "mafiakill" ability if it is present.
Post by: Hapah on April 02, 2013, 05:56:59 pm
Hapah: Looking at the role list, I don't see any rolecop-type abilities that also reveal alignment (unless Cheater does; it's a little ambiguous). Rolecopping isn't bad per se, but when literally any role could be King Mafia, it's less useful than other abilities like a standard inspect. And if you aren't a rolecop type role, I don't know how you know Ford's role. If I'm missing something, point it out toI had a rolecop last night, yeah. And my issue with Ford was that I don't know why he'd use the block; the other ability seems significantly better. I really don't know why he'd wait until N4 to use it.
I'm also a little paranoid, as I could see some pretty clever schemes evolving from what little information I have on Ford.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 02, 2013, 08:33:03 pm
Deathsword: Toaster, Captain Ford, ToonyMan (3)
Captain Ford: Hapah (1)
Hapah: The Soldier (1)
The Soldier: Deathsword (1)
Post by: Leafsnail on April 02, 2013, 08:46:36 pm
That's why he was not given a chance to fight back. As soon as the vote was decided Deathsword was obliterated. His body instantly lost its form, and all that was left was a strange, brightly coloured sludge. Fortunately this seemed to be a relatively benign form of goo - it didn't seek to assimilate or spread, only to survive. Nevertheless getting rid of a bizarre shapeshifting phenomenon was probably a good thing.
Fishing through Deathsword's sludge-stained pockets showed that he carried legal documents around with him. Well... it seemed like a fitting day job for an assassin who was never caught.
Deathsword has been lynched.
He was a Purple Goo Magistrate (town).
Please submit night actions within 24 hours.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 03, 2013, 06:16:10 pm
Looking through his pockets it seemed that The Soldier was a man of simple talents - he carried guns and medical equipment. His ability to battle his enemies and protect his friends had no doubt been a major reason why he had survived so long.
The Soldier has been killed.
He was a Combat Medic (town).
Today will last 48 hours. I probably won't be around for the activity check tomorrow.
Post by: The Soldier on April 03, 2013, 06:24:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 03, 2013, 06:35:53 pm
Were you blocked Toaster?
I don't think I should announce who I delay anymore until after I do it.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 06:41:16 pm
Toony: Why? It's not like you have a record of actually delaying the people you say you will.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 03, 2013, 06:51:30 pm
Toony: Why? It's not like you have a record of actually delaying the people you say you will.I'm mad because I did delay The Soldier last night. I should have expected this could happen.
Also this is MYLO. I'm not sure voting for anything but a no-lynch is a good idea.
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2013, 08:24:39 pm
I suppose a no-lynch makes sense at MYLO, but it sure looks like Hapah from where I sit.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 08:56:18 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 03, 2013, 08:59:47 pm
Going to give RL6 the post I owe it, then I'll make one here.
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2013, 09:00:39 pm
...I was actually not expecting that.
What were you expecting? I was expecting the King to nokill to try to incriminate me.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 09:11:58 pm
In any case, a no-lynch doesn't make sense because if we lynch the wrong one of you two, Toony can delay the other one.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 09:36:01 pm
Hapah: Before you ask, yes I did.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 09:47:04 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2013, 09:51:17 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 03, 2013, 09:54:27 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 09:57:22 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 03, 2013, 10:01:49 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 03, 2013, 10:04:50 pm
Hapah: Before you ask, yes I did.*raises eyebrow*
How?
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 10:08:27 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 03, 2013, 10:09:06 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 10:13:20 pm
Leafsnail: I guess that makes sense. But you could say the same if the vote was tied 2v2.
What that means is that no townie should vote no-lynch unless it's been universally agreed on.
Post by: Hapah on April 03, 2013, 10:20:52 pm
Hapah: Primary ability.That's...hrm. Why?
Toony: Where'd you claim your delay at? Or did you ever explicitly claim it?
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2013, 10:22:49 pm
I'm a Graverobber Mugger*. I can defile a dead player to steal an ability- doing so makes them un-autopsy-able and unrevivable. If I kill via a mafia kill** I gain a one shot version of one of the dead player's actions.
*Bold is rolename, underline is actual submission.
**This is how the Mugger ability is worded from the Xylbot role list. I don't actually have a mafiakill what with being town and all.
N4: I did nothing because there weren't any dead people.
N5: I went to defile Okami but was blocked.
Post by: Hapah on April 03, 2013, 10:27:57 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 10:28:12 pm
I don't think a massclaim is necessary, though. I don't know of any ability that can defeat a delay.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 03, 2013, 10:37:17 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 03, 2013, 10:44:02 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 12:19:20 am
How do you figure?I'd like to know this too.
And I don't see any harm in me claiming before Toony. Using Toaster's format, I'm an Astrologer High Priest. I get info each night (it's been roles so far), and a 3-shot 50% revive.
N4: I did nothing, no bodies. Got Ford's role.
N5: Targeted Okami (lol Toaster), got my own role. ~__~
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 10:09:22 am
Gonna put down a Ford vote just in case the activity check comes along before I can get a real post in.
Post by: Toaster on April 04, 2013, 10:58:20 am
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 11:06:56 am
So if N4 Toony delayed Ford and Ford blocked me, N5 I was blocked, and Hapah just confessed to not having an alibi, is there any reason to not lynch Hapah today?I could come up with one. I'd like to know why Ford targeted who he did as well.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 11:24:08 am
Toony: Where'd you claim your delay at? Or did you ever explicitly claim it?I was going to get lynched Round 2, the only reason I think I survived is because Tiruin voted themsleves. So I role-claimed (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4131085#msg4131085) to try to avoid the lynch, it didn't really work and I regret doing it.
Also yes, I'm a Delayer still.
N0: Delay Toaster
N1: Delay Toaster
N2: Delay Urist Imik
N3: Delay Okami no Rei
N4: Delay Captain Ford
N5: Delay The Soldier
So if N4 Toony delayed Ford and Ford blocked me, N5 I was blocked, and Hapah just confessed to not having an alibi, is there any reason to not lynch Hapah today?If we're wrong I will definitely be delaying you though. Even randomly guessing will give us a 50% of victory, but that's worst-case scenario. It still doesn't make any sense if Hapah isn't King Mafia though. I should have delayed him instead ugh.
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 11:25:35 am
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 11:27:48 am
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 11:29:50 am
You just put me at L-1. Unvote until I can post after work, at least, please.Relax it ain't gonna kill you, yet. Only you or Captain Ford can do the hammer and I have no reason to vote anybody else to "avoid being prodded". Ford is the one that needs to post now anyway.
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 11:44:55 am
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 11:51:00 am
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 12:01:25 pm
Okami must have been killed by the king. That or we have an unclaimed PGO on our hands (I'm not). I don't see any good reason for Okami to have used a kill rather than an inspect on N4.
It is possible that someone used a block last night to make my claim look valid. But Hapah, you know it's not me. You know what action I took last night. There is no scenario that makes sense for me being king. Your suspicion of me is ridiculous, and your paranoia only makes sense if you're king.
I really, really want to hammer you, because you're so obviously scum.
PPE: Hapah, Toony
lol
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 12:09:45 pm
We have a big event coming up, so everyone is high-strung in the office today. I have a lot to get done today, and I've got something I'm going to later tonight.
Also, Hapah. I'm confident enough that Toony isn't scum that I don't think he'll hammer.
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 12:10:58 pm
Tell me who you ended up targeting each night (you know damn well who you actually actioned even with the Anarchists arounds) and explain why you visited TheSoldier.
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 12:26:25 pm
Oh my god, it all just clicked. Ford, you crafty son of a bitch. I haven't given you half the credit you deserve.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 01:03:22 pm
PFPIf Ford also targeted The Soldier last night then who killed Okami? Ford went to block Toaster (but was delayed by me), there's no anarchists left as far as I know, and my delay wouldn't have work if the delayed target has already died.
Tell me who you ended up targeting each night (you know damn well who you actually actioned even with the Anarchists arounds) and explain why you visited TheSoldier.
PFPHmm???
Oh my god, it all just clicked. Ford, you crafty son of a bitch. I haven't given you half the credit you deserve.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 01:06:57 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 01:08:00 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 04, 2013, 01:09:00 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 01:11:33 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 01:33:57 pm
For shits and giggles, the md5 hash of my claim's bbcode is 2a99457091a258e9ce8ad7e96bf530a9, and the hash of the plain text is f2b52ae017ec15af5c25acbc65fed08c. (As calculated here (http://md5hashgenerator.com/index.php))
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 01:39:48 pm
PFP
Tell me who you ended up targeting each night (you know damn well who you actually actioned even with the Anarchists arounds) and explain why you visited TheSoldier.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 02:15:53 pm
2. I miscalculated and assumed you were town because I thought you couldn't kill Okami since you actioned me. Based on what you've said, I figured out you weren't a Cheater, but it wasn't until this morning I searched the role list and found Employment Agent. Man was I pissed.
Also, you lied. You claimed a Rolecop ability yesterday, distinctly implying you couldn't have killed Okami. Scum.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 02:37:53 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 04:13:02 pm
It's possible that you're lying and used a block last night to cover for the fact you didn't delay N4. I don't believe that's the case.
I'm really curious to find out how I was able to night kill Okami when I was delayed.
Mod: What kinds of abilities can the graverobber acquire, exactly? Does that apply to other similar roles, like Cyborg?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 04, 2013, 04:54:30 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 04, 2013, 05:14:19 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 05:25:33 pm
Toony: I don't see a good reason for The Soldier to have fired off a blind kill instead of a blind protect on N4.Well:
Toaster: My logic is this. Hard to read players have scum games that are nearly identical to their town games. It's often possible to seem like town's greatest asset up until they win. N0, all I know is that I have a kill, who knows if anyone else does. Ideally, killing the hard to read player would mean that candidates for King would be easier to read. I feel that tbis is worth the high chance of hitting town.This just applies for N0 here but it IS possible.
It's possible that you're lying and used a block last night to cover for the fact you didn't delay N4. I don't believe that's the case.Back at you! Also I wouldn't lie about my full-claim if I was going to get lynched.
Hapah needs to give his great understanding anyway.
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 05:31:14 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 04, 2013, 05:34:31 pm
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 05:52:29 pm
First things first, Ford is a Cannibal. For reference, Cannibal (sk; super-rare; 4+ players): You can kill and eat someone, stealing their power (and one of their role abilities) for yourself. Actions: consume He claimed his targets as follows:
N1: Toaster
N2: Urist Imiknorris
N3: Urist Imiknorris
N4: Toaster
N5 (implicit, posts 470 through 479): TheSoldier
He might've ended up at Toaster N1, I don't really know. Most dangerous thing he could've picked up is Dirty Bomber, so not really that big a deal. He probably didn't end up at UI N2 (I think he killed me? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4152962#msg4152962)), but neither of these are particularly important. I guess if he turns up with a gas can or santa hat we'll know. The fun doesn't really start until N3.
N3, Ford said he targeted UI. Maybe he actually did, I don't know, he was town at the time, doesn't matter. But I am of the opinion that he ended up targeting Okami (probably via Anarchist), and much more importantly, Toony's delay hit Ford N3. This likely happened because there was still an Anarchist alive. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4134121#msg4134121) Stick with me, I know it might not make much sense yet.
Toony claimed his delay ability D3 (thanks for the link, Toony). Ford is still town at this point, but it's irrelevant. D4 comes and the King gets lynched, and we're going into N4 with a new King. I think that Ford is the king, and here's why. Ford knows that his N3 kill is unaccounted for, that there is a delayer, and that there was an anarchist. It's not a stretch for him to figure out that he probably got delayed. If you were the King there, and you had a pretty good idea that a NK was coming down the pipe, and you have a 1-shot block, what would you do?
I figured it out earlier today. You build yourself an airtight alibi.
Think about it. You've got an action that can be almost 100% confirmed by another player, and there's still a NK. So obviously the King did the kill, and obviously it couldn't be you, could it? It's nearly goddamn bulletproof. That's why Ford shot off the block out of the blue (instead of his NK that makes him more powerful), that's why he opens up right out of the gate (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4140757#msg4140757) with trying to get his block confirmed, so he can "confirm" himself as town. I thought the oddball block was a little off, but if you look at it this way it makes absolutely perfect sense. It doesn't require any from-the-hip shooting from Okami or Soldier (who had better moves to do if they had no suspicions), it doesn't require any crazy mental gymnastics (I thought maybe he'd picked up Anarchist from UI or something initially, that's why), and it makes all the actions I thought were a little odd fit.
I've got to get ready to go. All I can ask of you at this point is that you don't hammer me or hammer nolynch until we've had a chance to talk things over. And I would ask you, Toaster and Toony, even if you think I'm full of shit, to please go and read Ford's early D5 with the above in mind. It fits.
Ford: I still wanna know why you ate Soldier last night.
Gotta get ready and hopefully not get ridiculed on my return, lol.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 04, 2013, 06:12:12 pm
Hapah: Toaster
Captain Ford: Hapah
Not voting: ToonyMan, Captain Ford
All players have voted.
Day ends in 24 hours time.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 04, 2013, 09:12:27 pm
Something that doesn't make sense though is that Ford could have hammered you after I voted and put you at L-1, and after that they unvote you.
I've got to get ready to go. All I can ask of you at this point is that you don't hammer me or hammer nolynch until we've had a chance to talk things over. And I would ask you, Toaster and Toony, even if you think I'm full of shit, to please go and read Ford's early D5 with the above in mind. It fits.We can spend the next day talking about it.
Ford: I still wanna know why you ate Soldier last night.Yes me too.
Post by: Toaster on April 04, 2013, 09:46:09 pm
I'm reading over it and considering, but I have a server to reboot in fifteen minutes and my VPN has been temperamental lately. I'll start with a thought: Given Toony has a delay and I don't think there's any scenario that makes sense where he is scum, we could always lynch one, and if we hit town, delay the other to get us to 3 man LYLO.
Post by: Hapah on April 04, 2013, 10:35:39 pm
A blatant quickhammer on me probably would have lost Ford the game: you'd delay him that night, certainly, and you and Toaster could've lynched him next day. A nolynch would probably be the only way, maybe off Toony this night (since decent odds I would have eaten the delay) and make Toaster play kingmaker.
Plus I imagine Toaster might pick up a kill tonight from either Okami or Soldier (they both have one, yeah?)
I think it's your move, Ford.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 12:52:48 am
Mod: To verify, can a cannibal acquire the anarchist ability by eating someone?
There's a number of reasons I ate Soldier, but the primary one is that I made a mistake and believed you to be town due to your claim. I would have eaten you instead (and I really, really should have).
Also, by spending my night action, I could demonstrate that I didn't block Toaster tonight, thus verifying my claim OR requiring someone else to be covering for me and lying on my behalf, which makes no sense.
Hapah.
I'm going to bed.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 12:59:43 am
I'll post the full claim I wrote up tomorrow, but it's at work so that'll have to wait for now.
(...anarchist isn't actually required for that scenario, is it, though? Huh.)
In any case, Hapah, I totally regret going softball on you.
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 01:44:31 am
Also, I just realized Dirty Bomber is a day ability, so a lynch-and-delay strategy wouldn't work if Ford could get the bomb off right before deadline.
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 01:49:20 am
Post by: Toaster on April 05, 2013, 08:43:52 am
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 09:10:24 am
Mod: To verify, can a cannibal acquire the anarchist ability by eating someone?Yes.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 10:18:04 am
(later) ...yeah, I totally got a contradictory answer from Leafsnail. I don't know what's up with that.
Anyway, here's the claim I wrote up, in all it's glory:
Quote from: April 04, 2013, 12:29:02
Yeah, no. Hapah. I'm done with this dance.
I'm a Cannibal.
N0: Did nothing. Got Block from Santa.
N1: Killed Toaster. Gained dirty bomb.
N2: Targeted UI, got bounced to Hapah. Became Santa.
N3: Killed UI, gained Census.
N4: Blocked Toaster.
N5: Killed The Soldier. Gained Protect.
Aside from the dirty bomb, I really don't have anything all that threatening. Hapah either failed to ask the necessary questions, or he's just trying to create paranoia.
I realized after starting the game that if I ever claimed vig, I'd have a tough time later on as king when there weren't two kills anymore, so I wanted to keep the dirty bomb a secret so I could set it off and then have an excuse for not killing.
I can only gain active abilities. I can't gain passive abilities such as kill immunity or an anarchist's randomization.
I don't have the faintest clue what Hapah is on about.
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 10:30:48 am
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 10:42:57 am
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 10:44:52 am
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 10:46:50 am
Yup, it's an auto.
PPE: Who are you asking Toony?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 10:52:35 am
PPE: Who are you asking Toony?Captain Ford really, we still have an unsolved mystery in Ford's claim. Hapah explains it in his accusation post and honestly one thing that Hapah's post has over Ford's is an account of how every kill happened.
I'm leaning on Hapah's side here. He also explains why Ford wouldn't want to hammer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123832.msg4154015#msg4154015) so obviously because I could just delay them!
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 10:56:19 am
Ford: Can you be a little more detailed in your reasoning for killing Soldier? He was getting delayed anyway.
Mod: Would the Dirty Bomber ability extend the day if it was close to deadline?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 10:57:02 am
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 11:00:06 am
Also Ford so the mod does not strike me down.
Post by: Toaster on April 05, 2013, 11:09:57 am
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 11:11:49 am
If I were king, I totally would have killed you last night, Hapah. You can call it WIFOM, but if your accusations are true, I really had no good reason not to.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Well fuck. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fucking fuck fuck fuck.
That's about all I got. I totally fucked up by not killing you last night, Hapah.
I'll say it again, fucker. I killed The Soldier because I assumed you were fucking town, and that was dumb. I didn't understand all the possibilities, so I was too confident in my own roleclaim being believed.
Toony: Hapah's claim doesn't explain Okami's death either. It makes a helluva lot more sense that either Hapah or Toaster is the king and one of them killed Okami.
PPE: Lots of people.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 12:28:30 pm
I'll do my best to explain what was running through my head when I picked the Soldier as my target last night.
- I think Toaster is scum.
- *rereads Toasters posts* Hmm...actually, he's not that scummy.
- Hapah is incredibly scummy.
- But he couldn't have killed Okami, he inspected me last night. Unless he was a cheater.
- *asks Leafsnail about how cheater and rolecop work, and the answers are hugely illuminating* He's not a cheater. (I completely miss other roles that could allow him to both kill and get my role, because I am doing this thinking under a lot of time pressure and don't have time to search the role list).
- Well, if it isn't Hapah, then it's Toaster. (I actually send in a kill on Toaster)
- Wait, if it's NOT Toaster, then I'm going to get lynched tomorrow, because it will look like I did that to cover up a lie. (I send in a decision to no action)
(I don't remember the exact order, but I changed my decision five times, each time I flip-flopped back and forth on what was my biggest concern. I stressed out way too much about this decision)
- In the end, I decided that it was either Toaster or Toony, and I figured out that if I eliminated The Soldier, then we could lynch Toaster if he was actually blocked, and I could kill Toony in the night.
- But then if Toaster was the king, he could simply lie, making Toony (or me) out to be a liar.
- It seems like Toaster is pretty much guaranteed to say he wasn't blocked. (In fact, when Toaster claimed, it really threw me off) (But if I thought that, then why did I leave him alive so he could claim?)
- But then it's possible Toony is the king, and actually hasn't submitted a kill.
- It could be The Soldier, too. I thought his responses were town, but then ... I've never seen him playing as scum. He might be really good at it, and I wouldn't know.
...and I'm a little burnt out right now. People are asking me to do things, so I need to get some more work done.
Post by: Toaster on April 05, 2013, 12:53:14 pm
Toaster: If you were roleblocked, would you claim it?
I didn't like this as soon as I saw it. It being the very first thing you said does reek of a desire to get cleared.
Now let's look at this D5 post of Ford:
I was heavily suspicious of Toaster, but on rereading I don't see it anymore. His reasons for voting DS aren't bad. Even so, if my block was delayed (and I believe it was), then he couldn't kill this coming night if he wanted to. (PPE: Toaster beat me to it)
Hapah has my suspicion for doing nothing but picking at my block claim. He hasn't talked to or about anyone else (except to respond to Toaster), and we're very close to the lynch. Definitely feels wrong.
Soldier's reasons for unvoting Deathsword strike me as earnest.
...compared to his claim...
*sigh* Calming down a bit now.With the eventual claimed kill on Soldier, these posts don't add up. If he reread and didn't suspect me any more, why reread and decide against me again at night?
I'll do my best to explain what was running through my head when I picked the Soldier as my target last night.
- I think Toaster is scum.
- *rereads Toasters posts* Hmm...actually, he's not that scummy.
- Hapah is incredibly scummy.
- But he couldn't have killed Okami, he inspected me last night. Unless he was a cheater.
- *asks Leafsnail about how cheater and rolecop work, and the answers are hugely illuminating* He's not a cheater. (I completely miss other roles that could allow him to both kill and get my role, because I am doing this thinking under a lot of time pressure and don't have time to search the role list).
- Well, if it isn't Hapah, then it's Toaster. (I actually send in a kill on Toaster)
- Wait, if it's NOT Toaster, then I'm going to get lynched tomorrow, because it will look like I did that to cover up a lie. (I send in a decision to no action)
Also, you lied. You claimed a Rolecop ability yesterday, distinctly implying you couldn't have killed Okami. Scum.
This is knee-jerk and overly aggressive. At this point, given his next two posts, Ford looks like he's getting jumpy- like scum that's been cornered.
Yeah, that's accurate. Except I can't acquire passive abilities. I acquired the census ability from UI, not Anarchist.
You didn't need to.
And frankly, Ford's post two up from this one is him cracking scum. His great plan is unravelling and he's caught out.
So!
We lynch Ford today. If he's telling the truth, then it's Hapah. Toony delays him and we lynch him tomorrow. Toony, any issues with that?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 12:55:39 pm
Toony: Hapah's claim doesn't explain Okami's death either. It makes a helluva lot more sense that either Hapah or Toaster is the king and one of them killed Okami.It does explain Okami's death if you're lying! The only death Hapah's claim doesn't account is Urist Imik but he could have killed himself by accident (seeing that at the time there was only one anarchist, himself) or the less likely chance Urist Imik did something else and Okami killed him (or used his kill and random'd onto UI).
Also I was delaying The Soldier, your NK of him didn't really serve a purpose besides putting us at MYLO. In fact, everybody who's died so far can be attributed to you.
At least this enlightens me on Round 2 a whole lot. You probably figured UI was the Mafia King because I delayed UI and only your kill on Hapah (even though you targeted UI originally) went through. I'm not mad at you for not claiming vig (it's understandable), but I think you're this round's Mafia King.
Even if we're somehow wrong I can delay Hapah.
Captain Ford,
PPE:
Toony, any issues with that?No.
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 12:56:23 pm
Ford:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I actually don't think you are an Anarchist, Ford. I thought you might've been when I first learned your role, which is why I was harassing you: an Anarchist can make any ability claims totally fubar. Once everything clicked for me yesterday I knew you probably couldn't even be one.
My accusation post does explain Okami's death. I believe you were the actual target of Toony's delay N3, which means both your (attempted) N3 kill and your N4 block resolved on N4. It also could explain why you popped off your block N4; it gives you a very strong alibi.
It's worth noting that neither me nor Toaster have alibis for N4, so it could have been either of us that pulled off the mafiakill if we are the King.
PPE: How could Toony have possibly been King? You know he delayed you N4, so he couldn't have killed Okami. It also strikes me as odd that the second list of bullets seems to read "I thought Toaster or Toony was scum, so I shot The Soldier".
PPE: You goddamn fools, throwing caution to the wind.
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 12:59:42 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 01:02:36 pm
Captain Ford: Hapah, Toaster, ToonyMan (3)
Hapah: Captain Ford (1)
Flavour post will hopefully follow soon, I'll try to get it done before dinner.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 01:18:42 pm
"Go ahead and try." Captain Ford smirked. "I'll devour you." He leapt forward at ToonyMan. His speed was astonishing - it truly seemed that he had absorbed the power of all those he had consumed while rising through the ranks of the military.
ToonyMan barely managed to dodge Captain Ford's lunge. Captain Ford instead struck the wall, which gave the others just enough of an opening to jump on him. An intense struggle followed, which was only ended when somebody finally managed to shoot Captain Ford dead.
But... who? Nobody left should've been able to do that. Which meant that the King had to still be alive. The three survivors moved to their cubicles with a feeling of apprehension.
Captain Ford has been lynched.
He was a Cannibal (town).
Please submit your night actions within the next 24 hours.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 04:45:06 pm
However, the survivors did not pay much attention to Toaster II's corpse, and instead looked at each other. With only two people left, there was no need for any pretenses. Each needed the other to die.
Toaster has been killed.
He was a Graverobber Mugger (town).
It is now day 7. With 2 alive it takes 2 votes to lynch, 1 vote to no lynch.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 04:47:24 pm
I have so much to say, but it will have to wait.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 04:49:05 pm
Nolynch
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 04:49:22 pm
How?
No Lynch. I guess it is actually down to a coinflip.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 04:50:49 pm
No Lynch: ToonyMan (1)
Not voting: Hapah (1)
Unsurprisingly the two of them could not reach a consensus. They quickly returned to their cubicles for another break.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 05:32:05 pm
"Give up, Hapah II. You can't be saved. You can't kill me. It's all over."
"That's certainly true." Hapah II smiled sadly. He knew his chance to be king was already gone. "However! I can bring Captain Ford back. There's no way you can survive a fight with him. And with you dead, my next of kin can still win the crown!" Hapah II began to mumble a chant, while lifting his hands over Captain Ford's corpse.
"Hahahaha!" ToonyMan grinned, and began to rock back and forth wildly. "This man was condemned to death by you just four hours ago! And now he's your last hope! It's so beautifully ridiculous!"
Hapah II didn't respond. He was concentrating on the spell. Revival of the dead was hard. Even those with a lifetime of training could not hope to perform the miracle reliably. He had already failed twice... surely his third time, his final time would be succes-
He couldn't finish the thought. A gunshot had pierced his brain. Which left only ToonyMan and a corpse. A corpse with a spell still acting on it.
"Most would say my power merely puts things off until tomorrow." ToonyMan smiled. "But my real trick is to make sure that tomorrow never happens." He fired downwards at Captain Ford's head, just moments after his revival was completed. It had only been a tiny delay, but for Hapah II it was the same thing as failure. ToonyMan was the sole survivor.
Hapah II has been killed.
He was an Astrologer High Priest (town)
Game over! ToonyMan, Delayer (mafia) and KING MAFIA has won!
Post by: Hapah on April 05, 2013, 05:35:20 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 05, 2013, 05:36:51 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 05:38:11 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 06:03:14 pm
So did you get a one-shot block or something? I got the feeling you lied about both delays.
I played poorly in the last day. RL just decided to take a shit in my lap this month. Ugh.
By the way, I took down every previous king for you Toony. I hope you at least give me some kind of memorial.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 06:08:52 pm
So did you get a one-shot block or something? I got the feeling you lied about both delays.I never lied about my night-actions, except for delaying Hapah at the end. I did not think you would kill Soldier N5.
By the way, I took down every previous king for you Toony. I hope you at least give me some kind of memorial.I also need to thank you for killing everybody for me until the end. When I got the King Mafia alignment switch I figured the vig was 90% likely to be you and chose not to mafiakill N4 or N5 because the benefits of not doing so was worth it.
I did plan on killing Okami at first, but you did it for me! I should have killed Toaster N5 though. It would have made things easier...
EDIT:
Don't get me wrong, you were definitely the 2nd best player this game Ford. A fitting Prince of Mafia. Or maybe King Slayer? You killed a shitton of Kings.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 06:12:48 pm
P.S. I like your new avatar. What's it from? I almost feel like I should recognize it.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 06:16:50 pm
Ironically, I think that would have made things worse.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 06:17:59 pm
I didn't kill Okami, actually. I really did block Toaster....Who killed Okami?
P.S. I like your new avatar. What's it from? I almost feel like I should recognize it.Shikkoku no Sharnoth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikkoku_no_Sharnoth).
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 06:29:43 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 06:31:24 pm
Motherfucker. Town played really badly this last day. Me included.
Post by: Teneb on April 05, 2013, 06:34:29 pm
Also, I killed Okami with a one-shot. I have no idea where the one-shot came from, however. Ford, did you get the santa power?
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 06:34:33 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 06:40:00 pm
Spoiler: Round 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Round 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Round 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Round 4 (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 06:49:20 pm
*cough* No no, that was clearly my masterful plan being executed before my alignment switch.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 06:55:38 pm
Orange Goo - could potentially acquire enough power to completely control the game
Yellow Goo - can become quite strong, also completely screw over the mafia
Anything with daykill or poison - can kill twice as mafia
Echo - would have been hilarious
Forensics Expert - useful for IDing the King Mafia and also rival killers
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2013, 07:00:23 pm
Oh My God.
Quadressence was right.
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2013, 07:14:31 pm
...Toony: Why do you get a fanclub and I don't?I think it's because he reminds her of her idol, Org.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Can I just call you the Librarian? Of the Mafia?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on April 05, 2013, 07:28:55 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 07:32:19 pm
Also, I'm ROFL when I noticed how close I was to my role being found out on the first night.
Also that Toaster REALLY DID KILL HIMSELF.
...fuck me. I got incredibly lucky this game.
Urist: Nothing. But you were scum.
I have been waiting SO LONG to be able to talk about how crazy awesome I did this game. Even if it was mostly (maybe entirely) luck.
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2013, 07:38:23 pm
Umm...that might be the scariest thing to come out of this, Web.Agreed.
I was just wondering if I was the only one that realized that she was scary accurate.
Post by: Toaster on April 05, 2013, 07:57:07 pm
You are all a bunch of bloodthirsty savages. Deathsword, why the hell didn't you claim that kill? Why did you even do that kill?
Toony, what was your thinking over not killing twice?
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 08:06:02 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 08:06:04 pm
Toony, what was your thinking over not killing twice?So everybody thought I was town. Also with so many vigs I was going to have to be really lucky anyway.
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 05, 2013, 08:13:15 pm
I killed myself!
I thought it was safe to use my kill once the first anarchist was out of the picture. I knew I was going to kill myself the moment I saw Urist's flip. The laws of dramatic irony demanded it!
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 05, 2013, 08:15:57 pm
Post by: Toaster on April 05, 2013, 08:18:03 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 05, 2013, 08:19:43 pm
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2013, 08:28:43 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 05, 2013, 08:33:06 pm
Post by: webadict on April 05, 2013, 08:37:45 pm
Which guess would that be, Web?Quadressence called the winner! WHAT THE FUDGE! She guessed it right based only on what she knew about the player's playstyles...
I'm impressed.
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 05, 2013, 08:41:26 pm
Hi. Sorry to barge in, but can I bet on this game? Because I have my money on Toonyman.
I completely forgot about that interruption. Good call, Quad.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 08:41:46 pm
Why is no one else as impressed about the guess as I am?!?I already conveyed my feelings on that matter.
I blame Deathsword, mostly. He basically gave us a one-day handicap.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 05, 2013, 08:44:06 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 05, 2013, 08:51:23 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 09:13:20 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 05, 2013, 09:17:59 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 09:21:20 pm
Edit: I could have sworn I asked that question...but I can't tell if I did anymore...
Post by: Captain Ford on April 05, 2013, 09:27:04 pm
Fuck. I'm an idiot.Secondly, does the start of a new round cancel any such pending actions or reset things like an arsonist dousing people in gasoline?No. Also arsonist dousing does not work at all as per the rules.
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2013, 12:21:27 am
Still, good game! Well done Toony!
Edit:
Where is Quad...Really miss her :/
Post by: Captain Ford on April 06, 2013, 11:57:38 am
The first night, I targeted you primarily because I got a scum read off of you. I got the sense that your hunt for information wasn't sincere. I suppose I may have targeted you based entirely on your playstyle, and I simply got lucky. But it was also the result of process of elimination.
On the second night, I targeted you because all the evidence pointed to you, but I was the only one who knew it, because only I knew that Hapah's death wasn't a mafiakill. Everyone else was treating you as a blind spot because you were disabled when it happened. I realized that you weren't going to get lynched, so the only way you were going down was if I killed you.
It was you or Okami, and Okami seemed legitimately town to me. So I ate you.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 06, 2013, 01:04:27 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 06, 2013, 01:56:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 06, 2013, 02:28:48 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 07, 2013, 12:41:43 pm
And I did it 3 times. Toaster and Okami both only did it once.
...wow.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 08, 2013, 12:44:26 pm
Or at least tried to.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 08, 2013, 02:28:12 pm
Post by: notquitethere on April 08, 2013, 03:06:35 pm
Post by: webadict on April 08, 2013, 06:27:55 pm
I'm playing the long, long game, lulling you all into a false sense of security so I can blitz to victory in KotM 4...Unlikely. I'm going to wait for the full Quadressence analysis.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 12, 2013, 09:13:32 pm
Post by: Okami No Rei on April 12, 2013, 10:45:31 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 12, 2013, 10:48:16 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 13, 2013, 02:32:36 pm
I was screwing around because I had a crappy day at work. I don't like the effects cryptology has on games either. But in this case I figured it was pretty harmless. (I never actually expected anyone to care)
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2013, 05:39:12 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 13, 2013, 06:12:50 pm
But yeah, it should otherwise be universally banned. I will definitely stomp on it if I see anybody trying it.
...but I don't think it should be a problem. This stuff arises when people start focusing too much on "optimal play", and that really has nothing to do with the reasons people play this game.