Post by: ToonyMan on April 13, 2013, 02:20:14 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/wVWv7PY.png)
Because 7 is when you're suppose to reboot.In the summer and fall of 2009 I hosted five "Toon Mafia" games and while I could probably call this something else, I've never hosted anything BUT Toon Mafia games I think. Eduren guest hosted Toon Mafia VI in the beginning of 2010 so this'll be the first real one in over three years, woo.
Past games are here:
Toon Mafia I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=38641.0) - The original game, pretty dumb with a mafia win!
Toon Mafia II (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=40018.0) - The sequel, also pretty dumb but a town win.
Toon Mafia III (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=40802.0) - This is where I started getting more ridiculous with roles and town gets the win again.
Toon Mafia IV (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=42239.0) - Probably the most popular and also the dumbest, town get the win but it was a quick game anyway.
Toon Mafia V (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=43713.0) - The dumbening continues as town win again due to modkill.
Toon Mafia VI (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=48870.0) - Guest hosted thanks to Eduren, a pretty long game that ends with, gasp, town victory!
I think you can see the problem:
Scum never win Toon Mafia.
So, to rectify this I've built a new game that has a central theme of love. I think that's all I'm gonna say because the basis of these games usually works as followed:
1. Players only flip alignment and role-name on "death", not role-abilities or any descriptions beyond that. I'll spill all the beans when the game actually ends. That includes role lore, night lore, player lore, game lore, lore lore lore.
2. There's gonna be a central theme you'll want to figure out, usually the anti-town factions will know more than you at the very least as a head-start. That means closed setup.
3. I frown on mass-claiming early on. I'll try to develop a system where mass-claiming D1 won't work but there's nothing I can do to stop players besides frown and maybe penalize them. Don't do it.
4. I know you probably think "bastard game" but I want to try to avoid that title as much as possible. I will withhold information, but there shouldn't be roles that can change alignment, or hidden abilities such as False Sane Cop. That may have been true before (maybe), but this is pretty much a reboot anyway.
5. Have fun!
General mafia rules are what they usually are here:
1. Vote in red and unvote red if you want to be nice.
2. Days are about three days long, night is one (usually two) day long or until everybody has given me their action via PM or quicktopic. Weekends don't count to this time. There are no hammers, deadline only. A tie is a no-lynch. A day can be extended or shortened if at least 50% of players vote for it, either adding or taking away 48 hours.
3. Don't edit your posts, don't PM anybody but the MOD for questions.
4. Don't quote the MOD directly unless it's something I've said in the thread.
5. Don't be too mean with your attacks, personal insults shouldn't go beyond "you're being stupid" or "what are you even saying dummy??".
6. Don't lurk even if you're scum, it's unmannerly. Also don't talk if you're dead or not a player, a "bah" post should be okay, especially if you write good flavor about yourself.
***
Added in during the game:
GAME-SPECIFIC RULES:
1. Game starts at D1 and players can vote who to kick out of school.
2. During Nights players choose which house they want to go to, or if they prefer to stay home for the night. Some characters have abilities or special actions depending on who if anybody is with them.
3. At the start nobody knows whose house is whose except their own (or their groups if they're informed). When visiting a house they selected that player will be able to tell whose house it is now and what gender that player is (as long as something else doesn't screw with them).
4. Players will not know who's with them unless they're by themselves in which case they'll know they're by themselves (baring special cases).
4a. Players will however, see the silhouettes of the players with them in that house. This is excluding special circumstances. In other words they'll have a general perspective and head count. Again, excluding special circumstances. During the first Night everyone will know which one is their silhouette by then.
5. Not every player starts with a house, some may live with others or not have one.
6. A kicked out, harassed/bullied away, dead, or won player's house cannot be entered anymore.
Spoiler: Battle Shounen CG (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
June 21st Silhouette Change:
But wait...one of the silhouettes has also changed!!!Keep an eye out!!!Spoiler: Updated Battle Shounen (click to show/hide)
June 28th Info Induction:
****IMPORTANT SCHOOL ANNOUNCEMENT*Since there's been a lot of mass-claiming (mainly claims of third-party) I'll be putting the town and mafia wincons into the public eye.
Town wincon:
You win when all the mafia are kicked out of school or become otherwise not a problem (dead).
Mafia wincon:
You win when the town can't win anymore.
As for third-party? Who knows.
There
Sign-Up List
- Vector(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (Jim Groovester played Vector for the first week)
- Griffionday(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (Griffinpup played Griffionday for parts)
- Leafsnail(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Captain Ford(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Toaster(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Tiruin(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Dariush(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- zombie urist(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Phantom of the Library(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (replaced by Ottofar Day 2)
- Shinigami_King(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- RangerCado(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Deathsword(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- notquitethere(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Lenglon(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Solifuge(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png)
- Nerjin(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (replaced by
Imperial GuardsmanBirdy51 Day 2)
Replacement Queue
- Gangster78
- Ottofar(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (replaced Phantom of the Library)
- Imperial Guardsman(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (replaced Nerjin very very briefly)
- griffinpup(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (has gotten a chance to replace)
- birdy51(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (replaced Nerjin)
- Webadict?
Witches
- GROOVESTER(http://i.imgur.com/N5kHPKn.png) (has gotten a chance to replace)
\\\\\
Spoiler: Results of the Game (currently in progress) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Griffionday on April 13, 2013, 02:35:23 pm
Post by: Griffionday on April 13, 2013, 02:52:25 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 13, 2013, 03:17:31 pm
Post by: RangerCado on April 13, 2013, 04:39:03 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2013, 05:49:30 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 13, 2013, 07:44:41 pm
Here's hoping for Incest. (I only said that because it rhymes)
Post by: Vector on April 13, 2013, 09:25:29 pm
Quote
5. Don't be too mean with your attacks, personal insults shouldn't go beyond "you're being stupid" or "what are you even saying dummy??".
>_<
Yeah, I'm in!
Post by: Leafsnail on April 13, 2013, 09:26:54 pm
Post by: Vector on April 13, 2013, 09:28:13 pm
I think I'll just find some wildly inappropriate word like "potato" to use instead of "fuck."
Post by: Toaster on April 13, 2013, 09:48:49 pm
Also In, but it'd be cool if other ongoing games could get a bit past D1 first.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 13, 2013, 10:24:04 pm
Does saying dummy too many times constitute an offence? If so, what's the maximum amount of times I can string them together without getting into trouble?Baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka is probably the limit.
Also In, but it'd be cool if other ongoing games could get a bit past D1 first.Definitely, I just wanted to open sign-ups for now.
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2013, 10:35:33 pm
In character too?
Very Interesting.
Just a note, baka in my language means 'cow'. ;PDoes saying dummy too many times constitute an offence? If so, what's the maximum amount of times I can string them together without getting into trouble?Baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka baka is probably the limit.
Post by: Dariush on April 14, 2013, 01:57:28 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 14, 2013, 04:17:47 am
Post by: Toaster on April 14, 2013, 07:21:38 pm
Post by: Vector on April 20, 2013, 06:08:36 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 21, 2013, 10:56:30 am
Post by: Vector on April 21, 2013, 01:29:22 pm
Post by: zombie urist on April 21, 2013, 03:10:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 21, 2013, 03:53:37 pm
I want to be in, but I have finals May 16th to 17th. :(My classes end May 9th which is where my date comes from. I can extend a week if you want.
Post by: zombie urist on April 21, 2013, 05:29:06 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on April 21, 2013, 06:05:10 pm
Post by: Vector on April 21, 2013, 06:07:42 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 21, 2013, 06:42:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 22, 2013, 06:54:40 am
Finals around the end of May too.
Post by: ToonyMan on April 22, 2013, 07:54:51 pm
(except Leafsnail but he's always mafia anyway)
Post by: Shinigami_King on April 23, 2013, 12:51:37 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 01:13:35 pm
In please. (>^ - ^)>~<3Welcome to the bay12 mafia forums!
We like to see new players. But we also have had a lot of people drop off the face of the earth midway through their first games, which can be very disruptive.
I'm pretty sure Toony is going to want to know a few things first, such as:
1. Do you have any experience playing forum mafia?
2. Have you read through any other games here?
3. Are you willing and able to post on a daily basis for a month or longer after the start of the game?
Since there's some time before the game starts, I'd recommend you jump into the replacement list for BM XL (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124597.0) so we can hopefully see what you're made of, first. (Send Scelly9 a PM rather than posting in the thread, please. He ought to shuffle you to the top of the list)
Don't be afraid of us. We're friendly. But don't be surprised if we're a little dubious about having you join right away.
Post by: RangerCado on April 23, 2013, 02:09:35 pm
Hey shinigami showed up... I know him in RL and i don't know if he has played mafia before but he'll post regularly. I'll get him to read a couple games and yeah, you really need to play a Beginners game first. (i didn't and look whats happening in Webs game lol) And friendly may be exagerating it Ford. I think the escaped lunatic tag describes us all quite well ;)In please. (>^ - ^)>~<3Welcome to the bay12 mafia forums!
We like to see new players. But we also have had a lot of people drop off the face of the earth midway through their first games, which can be very disruptive.
I'm pretty sure Toony is going to want to know a few things first, such as:
1. Do you have any experience playing forum mafia?
2. Have you read through any other games here?
3. Are you willing and able to post on a daily basis for a month or longer after the start of the game?
Since there's some time before the game starts, I'd recommend you jump into the replacement list for BM XL (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124597.0) so we can hopefully see what you're made of, first. (Send Scelly9 a PM rather than posting in the thread, please. He ought to shuffle you to the top of the list)
Don't be afraid of us. We're friendly. But don't be surprised if we're a little dubious about having you join right away.
Post by: RangerCado on April 23, 2013, 02:20:22 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on April 23, 2013, 02:33:30 pm
Post by: RangerCado on April 23, 2013, 02:35:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 23, 2013, 02:46:08 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 02:47:25 pm
Shinigami... listening to me... this is a strange development...This isn't foreboding at all.
Nope, not at all...
* * *
In other news, that all sounds fine to me. Seeing you jumping right into BM XL is encouraging. Also coming with Ranger's recommendation, who's been doing quite well since his debut.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 02:50:52 pm
Do I win fastest in into game after registering? It's under 20 minutes here.I could certainly write a program to find out.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 02:52:06 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on April 23, 2013, 02:58:01 pm
Quote
your choice of avatar and flavor text is amusingly compatible with my own...I know the answer to all of the worlds problems. I decided by starting with the added use of dragons, food and getting along with forum members. I'm glad you noticed. (d^-^)d <--thumbs up in case of misunderstanding
Post by: ToonyMan on April 23, 2013, 02:58:04 pm
Post by: Ottofar on April 23, 2013, 03:00:10 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 03:01:53 pm
Shinigami: By that I meant I might try to eat you.Quoteyour choice of avatar and flavor text is amusingly compatible with my own...I know the answer to all of the worlds problems. I decided by starting with the added use of dragons, food and getting along with forum members. I'm glad you noticed. (d^-^)d <--thumbs up in case of misunderstanding
Since you are, you know, a dragon. And I eat dragons. And I've never had an apple-flavored one before.
Post by: Shinigami_King on April 23, 2013, 03:05:31 pm
Quote
By that I meant I might try to eat you.I think the proper words to use now are...
Since you are, you know, a dragon. And I eat dragons. And I've never had an apple-flavored one before.
I'm not for eating!!! (besides, only my flavor text tastes like apples. The dragon portion tastes bad... and it's filled with parasites! As big as my arm!)
Post by: RangerCado on April 23, 2013, 03:23:28 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 03:35:33 pm
I'm not for eating!!! (besides, only my flavor text tastes like apples. The dragon portion tastes bad... and it's filled with parasites! As big as my arm!)Yikes! Maybe you should have that looked at.
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2013, 04:53:17 pm
Post by: Vector on April 23, 2013, 04:56:50 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 05:20:40 pm
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2013, 05:22:55 pm
Well, then maybe you should play with us :II have considered it, but my PR guy says I shouldn't mingle with the... plebeians.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on April 23, 2013, 05:58:29 pm
Please Mr. Webadict, let me handle this. You don't have to mix with this untalented scum.Well, then maybe you should play with us :II have considered it, but my PR guy says I shouldn't mingle with the... plebeians.
...
Alright people listen up! Mr. Webadict is a very busy man and you can't expect him to show up to every dinky little mafia game you host. What with his schedule you're lucky he even bothered to respond to your filth covered posts...
If you really want an appearance we'll talk price with the moderator.
Oh, and no flash photography, Mr. Webadict has very sensitive eyes.
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 06:08:37 pm
Post by: webadict on April 23, 2013, 06:12:29 pm
I MUST HAVE THIS MAN'S UNDERWEAR.Ah! He's touching me! Security!
Post by: Toaster on April 23, 2013, 08:10:07 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 23, 2013, 09:19:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The precious underwear...it's burning! NOOOO!
Post by: Shinigami_King on April 24, 2013, 04:47:17 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 24, 2013, 04:52:22 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on April 24, 2013, 06:56:35 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 24, 2013, 07:23:15 pm
Mr. Leafsnail.This tickled my funnybone.
Post by: Leafsnail on April 24, 2013, 07:28:05 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on April 24, 2013, 07:34:45 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on April 24, 2013, 07:44:36 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on April 24, 2013, 07:52:05 pm
I think Toony might have something to say about that.Yes. No.
Post by: Talented Idiot on May 06, 2013, 03:59:59 pm
Post by: RangerCado on May 06, 2013, 04:02:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 06, 2013, 04:16:15 pm
Post by: RangerCado on May 06, 2013, 05:02:31 pm
Post by: Teneb on May 06, 2013, 05:33:09 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 06, 2013, 06:19:24 pm
EDIT:
I'm going to take a Wuba approach to replacements (mod-kill everything) so be active too. If somebody is in the replacements they'll fill their role quickly, but I don't think I can tolerate somebody missing for a whole cycle.
Post by: Tiruin on May 06, 2013, 08:24:20 pm
...I don't feel good with that notion given that we've got replacements...
Post by: Toaster on May 06, 2013, 08:31:24 pm
Post by: RangerCado on May 07, 2013, 11:29:40 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 07, 2013, 04:34:55 pm
I have no intentions of replacing in even if replacements are needed.
Post by: notquitethere on May 08, 2013, 06:07:30 am
Post by: Gankster78 on May 09, 2013, 11:43:15 pm
Post by: RangerCado on May 09, 2013, 11:51:51 pm
We're all rather friendly and we hope you can join us in these games. We reccomend that you join the next begginners mafia when it begins, (mid to late next week) so that you can better understand how to play on a forum and some of the roles and terminology used by the players.
A couple questions though: Have you played mafia in RL before? and do you think you will get along with everyone?
Hope to see you in the game and good hunting to you! (this game starts in about a week from now)
Post by: Vector on May 09, 2013, 11:52:49 pm
Post by: RangerCado on May 09, 2013, 11:55:02 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 09, 2013, 11:56:28 pm
Actually, it's usually forum mafia you're expected to have experience with. They are... very different beasts.Expect this game to eat up approximate 100 times as much time as a game of RL mafia. A minimum of an hour a day, and optimally at several times throughout the day.
...i was trying to beat ford so i was rushing :( (he still beat me the buggerrrrrr sandwich lol)How did you know I was writing a post?
You know too much. Ranger.
Post by: RangerCado on May 10, 2013, 12:00:06 am
Post by: Captain Ford on May 10, 2013, 12:04:47 am
I've seen new arrivals get scared off many times. But some of them (like you) turned out to be quite strong players right out of the gate, and there's no harm in giving someone a chance.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 10, 2013, 12:07:04 am
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 10, 2013, 11:21:39 am
I thought I was missing RVS on the first day O_o what a scary thought.
Post by: Gankster78 on May 10, 2013, 11:40:35 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
@RangerCado
I have never played in RL not enough friends I suppose. Perhaps I much rather prefer to play on forums as I can but my best game face on.
Based on what Ive read in the most recent magic mafia My aggressive style will most certainly cause me to bump heads with people. Speaking of my style, it has yet to reach maturity due to the fact that ive only played two forum games on mafiascum.
Enough fluff! To answer your second question: I think I can get along with anyone. I am a pisces after all.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 10, 2013, 11:44:11 am
Post by: webadict on May 10, 2013, 11:47:48 am
If I mind asking how did those two Mafiascum games go?You don't mind at all.
Post by: Gankster78 on May 10, 2013, 12:06:24 pm
If I mind asking how did those two Mafiascum games go?
@ToonyMan
The first time I was giving the role of cop. I was lynched on day one. I was omgused for my rvs vote. So naturally I decided to try and pressure him and build a case based off of that one omgus. Others viewed that as a scum tell and the pressure votes began to pile up on me. I panicked theb soft claimed an important towny thinking; surely anyone who would lynch day1 an important towny has to be mafia. They put me at L-1 AND I MADE A HUGE NOOB ERROR. I hammered myself and claimed my role in the same post.
Town lost. I learned from that game that: I should never self hammer. I shouldnt focus on one reaction during RVS. I shiuld remember it however.
The next game I was a regular villager. However this was a blind werewolf game. I used what I learned from my first game to make it into day 2 :). I got nkd after building up a good case against who I thought was the werewolf leader fumbling. it tunred out he was the traitor... lol
It was a no lynch day 2. I got nked the traitor got lynched day 3. Town wasnt playing too well. Seemed obvious that he was the traitor when I got nked. Anywho I reported ti basic training shortly there after. I believe town lost that one.
thats my experience so far.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 10, 2013, 03:32:57 pm
Newbie 1030 is the game you started first, though, and you dropped out in the middle of that game. In fact, after you self-hammered you only managed two more posts and then went AWOL.
Oh hey, this is a nifty quote:
Quote from: Purple Orange
And Hanzo was a pretty unique guy -- losing him will knock a lot of activity and color and argument out of this game
Maybe your memory is a bit fuzzy?
Post by: Tiruin on May 10, 2013, 03:54:22 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2013, 03:59:28 pm
Note that hammers are rarely used in forum Mafia-Bay12 games because of many good reasons.If by "of many good reasons" you mean "we attack anybody who agrees with anybody else as bandwagoning" then yes.
Post by: Tiruin on May 10, 2013, 04:08:49 pm
;P
Must be your memory? Because we didn't have that as a common situation before, it was just used as a generality given the cases of agreement and explanation.
Post by: zombie urist on May 10, 2013, 04:15:24 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103070.0
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2013, 04:17:02 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 10, 2013, 04:28:25 pm
I'd like to point out that the two times I've seen you bring this up in-game you've been scum complaining because people weren't willing to bandwagon on your case against a townie, and both times you successfully used this emotional appeal to drive lynches/boycotts of the people in question.Note that hammers are rarely used in forum Mafia-Bay12 games because of many good reasons.If by "of many good reasons" you mean "we attack anybody who agrees with anybody else as bandwagoning" then yes.
Just saying.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2013, 04:29:08 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 10, 2013, 04:59:01 pm
That's because I'm always mafia.You heard it here first folks!
Post by: Gankster78 on May 10, 2013, 05:21:53 pm
Yeah most of that was from memory. As far as ny absence goes, Uncle Sam came a callin'.
I like your thoroughness.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 10, 2013, 05:33:10 pm
@FordThat's what I figured. I guess you didn't have much warning?
Yeah most of that was from memory. As far as ny absence goes, Uncle Sam came a callin'.
I like your thoroughness.Somebody brought cake to work today. So I haven't been able to focus on work at all... >_>
Post by: webadict on May 10, 2013, 06:54:26 pm
This is only news for anyone that hasn't played a game with him.That's because I'm always mafia.You heard it here first folks!
Post by: Leafsnail on May 10, 2013, 06:56:09 pm
Post by: Teneb on May 10, 2013, 10:18:30 pm
It's not that I can't be good, I'm just so much better at being badYou failed to play as an anti-town player in the last totem mafia and ended up making the town win, though.
Post by: Lenglon on May 11, 2013, 12:16:02 am
There was a sudden invasion of people in the current BM thread telling me to sign up for this, something about not enough people?
right, 15 people is totally too few, you obviously need more.
...
...
...
what on earth am I getting myself into? I have almost no experience and this looks like it'll be one giant mess.
Post by: RangerCado on May 11, 2013, 12:22:23 am
what on earth am I getting myself into? I have almost no experience and this looks like it'll be one giant mess.Exactly!
Post by: Tiruin on May 11, 2013, 06:30:46 am
what on earth am I getting myself into? I have almost no experience and this looks like it'll be one giant mess.Bah. You two'll do fine :I
I know it.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 11, 2013, 07:39:00 am
You failed to play as an anti-town player in the last totem mafia and ended up making the town win, though.It was a straight choice between letting the town win and letting the mafia win
Post by: ToonyMan on May 11, 2013, 11:40:19 am
After the confirm phase you'll have to join replacements though. And it'll likely take a considerable amount of time for me to test-play several games for balance...
Post by: Solifuge on May 16, 2013, 04:31:48 am
I was going to wait until Great Temple wrapped up, but I don't want to miss this. Toon Mafia 6 was probably my worst game ever. I am convinced it was not through any fault of my own, but rather because ToonyMan wasn't running it. I am prepared to test this theory.
Spoiler: Toon Mafia 6: An OOC-Quote Love Story (click to show/hide)
Post by: ToonyMan on May 16, 2013, 11:15:18 am
Confirming starts tomorrow. Hopefully I don't get banned before the game is over.
Post by: Tiruin on May 16, 2013, 11:16:50 am
That was an awesome short story Sol.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 16, 2013, 11:17:34 am
Post by: webadict on May 16, 2013, 03:27:14 pm
dont post in furry threadsToony, you fool!
Post by: Lenglon on May 16, 2013, 05:01:43 pm
i think your player counter is short by one.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 16, 2013, 05:17:58 pm
...Oops.
i think your player counter is short by one.
Maybe I'm subconsciously terrified of running a 17+ player game.
Post by: Toaster on May 16, 2013, 07:06:15 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 16, 2013, 07:13:52 pm
Post by: Toaster on May 16, 2013, 07:17:53 pm
Post by: Vector on May 16, 2013, 07:20:40 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on May 16, 2013, 07:27:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 16, 2013, 07:46:28 pm
Post by: webadict on May 17, 2013, 05:04:34 am
Right, let's get 3 more :IBut 17 is such a nice number.
Also, do I dare join the replacement list? DO I DARE?
Post by: Tiruin on May 17, 2013, 08:50:16 am
Post by: webadict on May 17, 2013, 08:53:08 am
18 looks like a fine number with a webadict tag on it...Can't do that, chief. Everyone knows that 4 out of every 14 players need a replacement in games.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 17, 2013, 11:06:15 am
Really? I did not know anyone had collected statistics on that.18 looks like a fine number with a webadict tag on it...Can't do that, chief. Everyone knows that 4 out of every 14 players need a replacement in games.
That is shockingly high. Why is it that anyone starts games without a well-stocked replacement list?
Post by: webadict on May 17, 2013, 12:10:50 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 17, 2013, 12:34:00 pm
I might actually prefer if some of you are in the replacement list but whatever!
Post by: Vector on May 17, 2013, 12:46:53 pm
Post by: Teneb on May 17, 2013, 12:47:23 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on May 17, 2013, 12:49:46 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on May 17, 2013, 12:52:05 pm
Post by: RangerCado on May 17, 2013, 12:54:05 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 17, 2013, 01:14:55 pm
Post by: notquitethere on May 17, 2013, 01:32:12 pm
Post by: Toaster on May 17, 2013, 02:16:45 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 17, 2013, 02:45:22 pm
Post by: Solifuge on May 17, 2013, 02:52:14 pm
Also haven't changed my mind in the last 24 hours!
Post by: Captain Ford on May 17, 2013, 03:15:41 pm
Post by: Lenglon on May 17, 2013, 03:17:40 pm
Post by: Griffionday on May 17, 2013, 03:54:12 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 17, 2013, 04:00:17 pm
Post by: zombie urist on May 17, 2013, 05:11:41 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 17, 2013, 05:27:37 pm
Nothing against him, but he said he'd do his best to develop a good reputation before this game and Witche's Coven started, and, well ...
Post by: Tiruin on May 17, 2013, 09:14:57 pm
...I'm sure a prod would help.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 18, 2013, 05:53:19 pm
Although he's not a bad player, and I don't have anything against him personally, I am very tired of seeing new players drop in, join a game, play for a few days, and then drop off the face of the earth without warning.
At this point, I believe Gankster will be coming back. I just thought the mod might want to know. I think Gankster could be put on the replacement list without a problem, at least.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 18, 2013, 06:30:35 pm
Also I'm giggling over the fact Dariush has posted in other parts of the Mafia sub-board but hasn't confirmed here yet. So edgy.
EDIT:
Roles 90% done
Rules 86.66% done
Lore 30% done
Art 5% done
0 Practice Games done
EDITX2:
My head is hurting...
EDITX3:
Roles 99.9% done
Rules 90% done
Lore 35% done
Art 20% done
1 Practice Game has been intiated
Post by: Nerjin on May 19, 2013, 06:35:16 pm
I wasn't so sure but I know that with the theme of love... I couldn't stay away. Every single one of you is special to me in your own unique way so this game seems the best possible way to express that.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 19, 2013, 07:37:18 pm
Also Dariush and Ottofar if you don't confirm I will put you in the replacement list.
Post by: Nerjin on May 19, 2013, 07:38:20 pm
You can still join the game until tomorrow. I just need to lock the player count for the final game-making stuff.
Also Dariush and Ottofar if you don't confirm I will put you in the replacement list.
Then I'd love to join. In
Post by: ToonyMan on May 20, 2013, 11:57:36 am
Ottofar! Dariush!
Post by: Dariush on May 20, 2013, 12:57:46 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 20, 2013, 01:30:50 pm
Post by: Dariush on May 21, 2013, 05:30:10 am
Post by: Ottofar on May 21, 2013, 09:15:00 am
Post by: ToonyMan on May 21, 2013, 09:15:00 am
EDIT:
WOAH OTTOFAR
Good god that was within the second.
EDITX2:
Although really I would prefer for Ottofar to make a really convincing case why I should accept somebody who had over half a week to check the thread (he posted in Great Temple Saturday at least!). Yeah if Ottofar says something about really wanting to be in I'll put him in if it's before game start. Otherwise, no.
This is definitely not being influenced by my 16 player setup I predicted. But it's not set in stone yet...well it's supposed to be but.
Plus it's not like I'm rejecting him completely. Unless we somehow have no replacements he'll definitely be able to participate and that just feels safer.
Post by: Tiruin on May 21, 2013, 09:42:05 am
So no, no second passed. XD
Post by: ToonyMan on May 21, 2013, 10:43:38 am
Post by: Dariush on May 21, 2013, 12:39:13 pm
Although really I would prefer for Ottofar to make a really convincing case why I should accept somebody who had over half a week to check the thread (he posted in Great Temple Saturday at least!). Yeah if Ottofar says something about really wanting to be in I'll put him in if it's before game start. Otherwise, no.Confessions of TsunderyMan: "It's not like I like you, I'm just not rejecting you completely. No, really, I don't like you!! Why did you even think I like you. Le blush."
This is definitely not being influenced by my 16 player setup I predicted. But it's not set in stone yet...well it's supposed to be but.
Plus it's not like I'm rejecting him completely. Unless we somehow have no replacements he'll definitely be able to participate and that just feels safer.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 21, 2013, 03:04:11 pm
Post by: Ottofar on May 21, 2013, 03:13:31 pm
But not checking the thread, since I had somehow managed to miss April entirely.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 21, 2013, 03:19:40 pm
I'm cool with being a replacement, if it's easier for you.Yeah I think that would be better anyway (since Gangsta probably won't be a reliable replacement), thank you. If we need a replacement I would PM you of course.
I have exams till Thursday next week. Until then I'll be posting purely in one-liner insults.I delayed it to May 17th because of exams. Extending it to May 30th is like well whatever. I was going to start the game this week since I don't want double confirmation to happen but everybody seems to be good.
So, if I have the game completely set it will be starting as soon as that happens. Otherwise it will definitely be starting by May 30th no matter what. This likely won't happen (it probably won't start on the weekend either), but just in case.
Post by: Diamond Cow of Doom on May 24, 2013, 03:42:00 pm
Moo moo moo.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 24, 2013, 04:16:52 pm
Roles 100% done
Rules 90?% done
Lore 45% done
Art 50% done
1 Practice Game still trying to figure out
...Expect a May 30th start date. Real life has been difficult as well.
Post by: RangerCado on May 24, 2013, 05:09:15 pm
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on May 24, 2013, 09:29:47 pm
Post by: griffinpup on May 24, 2013, 10:14:24 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 25, 2013, 01:25:56 pm
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on May 28, 2013, 03:11:23 pm
Post by: Vector on May 28, 2013, 03:45:59 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 28, 2013, 04:37:54 pm
I cant wait for this next game. I hope its a good one... De Arimasu.....Dude. Where have you been? Why did you disappear for a month in the middle of Roguelike Mafia without telling anyone?
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on May 28, 2013, 05:12:20 pm
Post by: Teneb on May 28, 2013, 06:10:59 pm
PC problemsAlso go back to BM XL and see all the advice and criticism directed to you. It'll be good for no one if you repeat that.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 28, 2013, 10:21:29 pm
I'm going to be gone, starting a week, on the 31st =( After that I will play with great vigor.Oh no! D:
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 12:17:15 pm
PC problemsIn the future, it would be nice if you could use someone else's computer to let us know you can't play anymore.
I also think you owe Toaster and the other players of Roguelike an apology and an explanation for dropping out without warning (it may be late, but I hereby give you permission to go ahead and do so anyway -- better late than never).
Post by: Dariush on May 29, 2013, 12:29:00 pm
De Arimasu.....Unholy concentrations of weabooness detected.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 01:30:41 pm
Dattebayo.De Arimasu.....Unholy concentrations of weabooness detected.
Post by: Lenglon on May 29, 2013, 01:42:21 pm
oh come now, that's not even a real word. stop watching so much Naruto, bakka.Dattebayo.De Arimasu.....Unholy concentrations of weabooness detected.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2013, 01:56:56 pm
Also today is my birthday.
EDIT:
Oh wait what about Vector? Uuuuhhh I can't have a replacement for just a week and then kick them out, and she would be unavailable for the entirety of Day 1.
Post by: Vector on May 29, 2013, 01:57:09 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 02:01:07 pm
...that was the point. *sigh*oh come now, that's not even a real word. stop watching so much Naruto, bakka.Dattebayo.De Arimasu.....Unholy concentrations of weabooness detected.
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2013, 02:06:34 pm
Game starts tomorrow at 11pm EST and will last until June 4th at 11pm EST, unless at least 50% of players vote for an extend or shortening which would add or take 24 hours away. I'm stealing most of my times from Toaster because it works.Why can't you? I mean, it's kinda their point?
Also today is my birthday.
EDIT:
Oh wait what about Vector? Uuuuhhh I can't have a replacement for just a week and then kick them out, and she would be unavailable for the entirety of Day 1.
I'll play for Vector. Except I'll constantly spam that I'm Vector every time someone tries to address me, and then ignore every question that is addressed to Vector by stating "Wait, I'm Vector?"
Overall, Dariush will be lynched because nobody likes him, almost as if to spite him for pointing out my lack of participation.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 29, 2013, 02:08:11 pm
First of all, *baka (bakka means "always" or "persistently"), and second of all, it's the stereotypical "irritating young boy" sentence-ender.Don't worry, ToonyMan is fully fluent in Baka.
I think the record chain is 13
Post by: Dariush on May 29, 2013, 02:14:02 pm
Overall, Dariush will be lynched because nobody likes him, almost as if to spite him for pointing out my lack of participation.You will die alone and unloved and birds will shit on your grave.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2013, 02:14:10 pm
If none of them say anything then Webadict can sure whatever.
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 29, 2013, 02:16:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2013, 02:17:16 pm
I still love the difference of meanings between kawai and kawaii ^__^Kowai.
EDIT:
Also whoever replaces Vector for a week won't be able to replace again unless it's Vector, again.
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 29, 2013, 02:21:25 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 02:30:33 pm
Post by: Vector on May 29, 2013, 02:32:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 29, 2013, 02:36:16 pm
But I might be convinced to do the same.
Post by: Toaster on May 29, 2013, 02:59:33 pm
FOR THE GLORY OF THE NC
Post by: Vector on May 29, 2013, 03:00:47 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 29, 2013, 03:38:20 pm
Sign me up as Vector's first week replacement.
Post by: Griffionday on May 29, 2013, 04:07:46 pm
Also today is my birthday.Happy Birthday Toony!
And yay! the self-described curmudgeonly lamer proves he is neither curmudgeonly nor lame! Awesome!
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2013, 04:18:56 pm
It's true that Groovester is significantly less likely to get me killed >_>Wow. Rude. That cut me deep, Vector.
If I were going to die alone and unloved, that would mean all my friends are dead. However, I must have died after they had all died. This means I lived a long and likely happy life, even if I did lose my friends and family along the way. Also, I would refrain from a burial plot, opting instead for scattered ashes, so I assume birds will indeed poop on my grave.Overall, Dariush will be lynched because nobody likes him, almost as if to spite him for pointing out my lack of participation.You will die alone and unloved and birds will shit on your grave.
So, thanks Dariush. I'd say the same to you, but I'd be afraid of you dying on the spot.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 04:21:39 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 04:37:41 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2013, 04:49:24 pm
Okay, fine.If there are no objections I will prioritize Groovester over Webadict.
Sign me up as Vector's first week replacement.
By the way, I don't get the title. What does "Re:Love" mean in this case?Absolutely nothing.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 29, 2013, 05:35:42 pm
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2013, 05:56:50 pm
Some incorrectly see it as a shortening of "with regards to", but it's actually the ablative of the Latin word res, meaning thing. I guess you could translate it literally to "[this message came about] From the following thing: Love"I see it as not wanting to requite the love of someone else, translated into the modern world, ergo into an email message. Perhaps he doesn't wish to reply to a love email he was sent?
Post by: Captain Ford on May 29, 2013, 06:00:00 pm
I've been staring at it for like a month now, and I always figured it'd eventually fall into place and make sense. I only just now realized that I really had no clue what to make of it and finally thought to ask.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2013, 06:22:31 pm
This is exactly what I was going for.Some incorrectly see it as a shortening of "with regards to", but it's actually the ablative of the Latin word res, meaning thing. I guess you could translate it literally to "[this message came about] From the following thing: Love"I see it as not wanting to requite the love of someone else, translated into the modern world, ergo into an email message. Perhaps he doesn't wish to reply to a love email he was sent?
Post by: Leafsnail on May 29, 2013, 06:51:16 pm
Post by: Tiruin on May 29, 2013, 07:17:08 pm
First of all, *baka (bakka means "always" or "persistently"), and second of all, it's the stereotypical "irritating young boy" sentence-ender.Goodness my language supercedes these meanings >_>
Because everytime you all say baka, I'm thinking 'cow'. Or probably a 'maybe'. Eheh... XD
Also, knowledge! Yay!
...16 people. This is going to be one romantic epic.
Post by: RangerCado on May 29, 2013, 07:25:12 pm
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2013, 09:10:44 pm
Webadict, literary analyst, strikes again!This is exactly what I was going for.Some incorrectly see it as a shortening of "with regards to", but it's actually the ablative of the Latin word res, meaning thing. I guess you could translate it literally to "[this message came about] From the following thing: Love"I see it as not wanting to requite the love of someone else, translated into the modern world, ergo into an email message. Perhaps he doesn't wish to reply to a love email he was sent?
Post by: ToonyMan on May 29, 2013, 09:55:33 pm
...16 people. This is going to be one romantic epic.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.It is going to be a complete mess.
Post by: Tiruin on May 29, 2013, 10:37:07 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 30, 2013, 12:18:37 am
Post by: RangerCado on May 30, 2013, 12:23:57 am
And happy birthday Toonyman! May you live a long, fruitful life.
Post by: Solifuge on May 30, 2013, 02:21:55 am
As above, good luck and have fun and all that stuff to everyone, for now I don my gameface. And depending on the content of the game, possibly lacy leingere as well.
Post by: Tiruin on May 30, 2013, 02:31:17 am
Probably along with a styled mustache :P
Post by: Vector on May 30, 2013, 02:42:48 am
It's like the one conspiracy theory dude from Katawa Shoujo, with a side helping of Victoria's Secret. A pairing made in heaven.
Post by: Dariush on May 30, 2013, 06:38:38 am
If I were going to die alone and unloved, that would mean all my friends are dead. However, I must have died after they had all died. This means I lived a long and likely happy life, even if I did lose my friends and family along the way. Also, I would refrain from a burial plot, opting instead for scattered ashes, so I assume birds will indeed poop on my grave.Actually, it was implied that all your friends and family would abandon you due to some negative event on your part (like going more insane than usual and murdering a bunch of people), you'll be shunned for all your life and when you die you won't have a choice in the way your remains are to be handled.
Some incorrectly see it as a shortening of "with regards to", but it's actually the ablative of the Latin word res, meaning thing. I guess you could translate it literally to "[this message came about] From the following thing: Love"Huh. I always thought it was an abbreviation of 'response', similar to how 'Fw' is 'forwarding'.
Happy Birthday, Toony! May it not be your last (though it actually will).
Post by: ToonyMan on May 30, 2013, 11:51:44 am
Post by: RangerCado on May 30, 2013, 11:55:01 am
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on May 30, 2013, 12:03:24 pm
Post by: Toaster on May 30, 2013, 12:28:46 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 30, 2013, 12:59:58 pm
V/LA: 6/7 through 6/9. I don't know how much PFP I can do in that time frame, if any.Most of that is the weekend which doesn't count for time anyway!
Post by: Toaster on May 30, 2013, 01:20:44 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on May 30, 2013, 10:27:26 pm
Ding dong ding dong ding dong. The bell rings for class to begin.
The homeroom teacher steps into class as everyone settles down.
"There is an important announcement today before we begin homeroom."
Everybody swivels their heads to the news. And then they notice that a student is missing. Where's Comic Relief-kun?
"I am sad to say that Relief-kun will not be coming to school anymore."
An older-looking boy retorts, "Why's that??"
The teacher looks at him intently and then slowly looks down to the floor.
"Bu------"
What? He's mumbling his words.
"B---------"
What is he trying to say?
Everyone stays quiet as they wait for Homeroom-sensei to gather his resolve.
And finally, "BULLIES!!!"
"HE TOLD US HE WAS BEING BULLIED AND LEFT TOWN WITH HIS PARENTS."
His glasses fly off his face.
"BUUUUUUUULLLLLLLIIEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
IN
OUR
SCHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
CAUSSUSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEDDDDDDDDDD THIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS OUTARRRAGGOUSUSOSUSSOUOUDOOUSOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS EVEEENT TO OOOCCCUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
The front desk he is grasping shatters in his hands.
*Five minutes later*
"And so, we will be having the students find the bullies themselves."
Homeroom-sensai waves his hands, "There have never been in bullies at Public High High School so there has been no need for any no bullies policy."
"However, seeing as a student has just left citing bullies as his reasons for departing I can not help but see this through. You all will find the bullies within you."
"We will not be holding classes until this is solved."
The class cheers.
"Also you will have to come to school every day until the evening."
The class jeers.
*After a zero-progress day of extended school*
All of the students are leaving school.
"Man this sucks!! Homeroom-sensei should realize the bullies aren't going to get found. We're going to end up doing nothing for ten hours just like today!"
A brazen young-lad speaks to his classmates.
"B-but Brazen-senpai, you shouldn't say that..."
Timid-san speaks to her upperclassman.
"Just you wait, I'll tell that teacher how wrong he is tomorrow. I'll tell the principal how wrong he is!!"
"Sigh, Brazen-senpai..."
"Hey come on Timid, oh that's right, tomorrow is Valentine's Day isn't it?"
"Y-yeah, it is."
She looks the other way.
"Have anybody you're interested in?? Eh eh?" Brazen-kun beings to tease Timid-san.
"Uuummm, s-senpai."
"What?"
"It-it's you, senpai."
Both of their cheeks BLUSH at the same time. Brazen fumbles his feet surprises as they walk together.
"That's a joke right? Haha..."
"...Yeah, hah..." Timid lies.
In the darkness nearby three figures stand and watch. One grits their teeth, another clenches their hands, the last stomps their feet. These two are their next target.
You see, Comic Relief-kun was starting to get involved with a girl and at that point those three finally couldn't take their mundane happy lives anymore and banded together. They think romance and love is DUMB. DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB.
...And so, the anti-love task force was united...
*The next day*
The principal is in the classroom now.
"What's going on, Principal-dono?" Asks one of the students.
"I am hear to announce grave news indeed. Homeroom-sensei has been MURDERED."
Gasps all across the room.
"Witnesses found him on the side of the road, dead, cause of death unknown but likely related to his heart."
whisper whisper what's happenig around here lately whisper it's not safe whisper whisper
"As the principial of Public High High School, I will not tolerate murderers!"
He shakes his wrinkled fist in the air.
"I will now take attendance and we will being where we left off yesterday. Remain diligent class."
"Arid-san?"
"Here!"
"...Asshole-kun?"
"here"
"Brazen-kun?"
"..."
The principal looks around the room, unfamiliar with it.
"Has anybody seen Brazen-kun?"
............................
"That's absent then--"
At that moment, Timid-san steps into the room wide-eyed.
"S-sorry I'm late." For some reason every student attending Public High go to the same classroom.
"Why are you tardy young missy?"
"W-where's Homeroom-senpai?"
Principal-dono smiles sadly to her question.
"I'm sorry dear, but he was--"
"KYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"
Everybody turns to look at the cause of distress.
Body. Body in the air. Body hanging outside 2nd floor window. Limp. Dead.
"It-it's Brazen-kun!" In his school uniform even Mr. Nameless Generic.
"I'll call the police!" Shouts the principal as he runs to the phone. None of the students take out their cellphones because none of them had cellphones.
*31 years later*
February 14th, 2013
It has been quite some time since the double murder incident of 1982. Nobody knows who killed Homeroom-sensei or Brazen-kun. The principal you read has retired and there is a new principal at Public High High School (it's his son). Timid-san left Public High and never came back again. And those three figures all grew up, not causing trouble ever again.
Until their three children entered Public High. And the urge to bully and disrupt love began anew in...
(http://i.imgur.com/cAY4aT9.png)
Town Map:
(http://i.imgur.com/CQaDHjs.png)
Town Map:
(http://i.imgur.com/CQaDHjs.png)
Day 1 start!
Day ends June 4th at 11pm EST.
(I hope you guys are happy with how much time I've wasted doing this...)
GENERAL RULES:
1. Game starts at D1 and players can vote who to kick out of school.
2. During Nights players choose which house they want to go to, or if they prefer to stay home for the night. Some characters have abilities or special actions depending on who if anybody is with them.
3. At the start nobody knows whose house is whose except their own (or their groups if they're informed). When visiting a house they selected that player will be able to tell whose house it is now and what gender that player is (as long as something else doesn't screw with them).
4. Players will not know who's with them unless they're by themselves in which case they'll know they're by themselves (baring special cases).
5. Not every player starts with a house, some may live with others or not have one.
6. A kicked out, harassed/bullied away, dead, or won player's house cannot be entered anymore.
Post by: ToonyMan on May 30, 2013, 10:30:16 pm
I didn't do the actual full art for players yet, if a player wants to know what silhouette they are they can PM me. You'll get the full art for players who have lost or won at that time.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 30, 2013, 10:38:07 pm
Vector/Groovester: How do you expect taking Vector's place for a week to affect your gameplay?
Griffionday: You were anticipating this game very highly. Now that it has started, has that enthusiasm changed at all?
Leafsnail: As we all know, you are always mafia. So how are you going to win as mafia this game?
Captain Ford: How did you get to be so handsome?
Toaster: Do you think that your ability to warm bread will lend you an advantage in affairs of the heart?
Tiruin: Marraige. Is it a good idea, or isn't it?
Dariush: Who in this game would you most want to marry?
zombie urist: Why?
Phantom of the Library: Should the man pay for dinner?
Shinigami_King: Blondes, brunettes, or redheads?
RangerCado: When you go out on a date, would you hunt the dinner yourself?
Deathsword: Would you rather kill someone, or seduce them?
notquitethere: You're still here. Why?
Lenglon: If you had to ask Ranger out on a date, how would you approach him?
Solifuge: If you married Dariush, how many children would you have?
Nerjin: Would you describe yourself as a bit of a cold fish?
Post by: Solifuge on May 30, 2013, 10:45:48 pm
PPE: DAMN, Ford beat me to first.
First!
...
Solifuge: If you married Dariush, how many children would you have?
What a dumb question, CaptainFord. None, because Dariush is an intolerable, irrational, stupid, offensive fool, and I would Never marry him!
Besides, I don't even like him, or anything.
Post by: Vector on May 30, 2013, 10:47:41 pm
I won't be posting in the game until I get back. Have fun, dudes.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 30, 2013, 10:49:06 pm
Uh, RangerCado-kun, I haven't played a game with you yet and by the reflexive nature of this relation I know that you have also not played a game with me.
What's your reaction to a hypothetical situation where Groovester-sama votes you in the RVS and then never changes his vote? And why does your reaction make you scum?
Captain Ford, who are you going to drown in that heart-shaped lake?
Kawaii kawaii uguu am I doing this right? uguu desu so desu ne~~~
Vector/Groovester: How do you expect taking Vector's place for a week to affect your gameplay?
It won't. As you can see by my profile picture, I am actually Vector, and this missing week thing I was talking about isn't actually happening, so I'll be here to play the game as if there was no absence at all.
I'm going to play like I normally do (because I am Vector), and then when Vector returns (Vector isn't actually leaving though), she'll play her game.
Math n' shit see I'm Vector yap yap groups and rings n' shit.
Post by: Vector on May 30, 2013, 10:51:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 30, 2013, 10:52:53 pm
Math is great.
Post by: Griffionday on May 30, 2013, 10:57:45 pm
Griffionday: You were anticipating this game very highly. Now that it has started, has that enthusiasm changed at all?"Quite pleased actually I've been planning this day for quite some time! Love is in the air this year and as..."
Captain Ford bounces to the next person
"Hey! get back here I wasn't done pontificating."
Captain Ford starts complementing himself
"Well! If there's one thing I learned in my life it's that those who are in love with themselves hardly ever love another!"
I turn my heel and walk on.
I spot two of the cool people off to one side and head over to indroduce myself. One must always get on with ones peers of course.
"Ah, well met Vector-san, I see you are ready for this new year and already going on about math, what are you looking forward to this year?"
"Solfuge-kun, good to see that you made it; do you find any of the new students interesting?
Post by: Captain Ford on May 30, 2013, 11:01:01 pm
Captain Ford, who are you going to drown in that heart-shaped lake?The person who breaks my heart. Possibly myself.
Math n' shit see I'm Vector yap yap groups and rings n' shit.Sounds legit.
I presume you noticed there are 16 players and only 14 horses. Are you rooming with someone? If not, would you room with me?
Captain Ford: How did you get to be so handsome?I stole from rich people and invested in webcomics.
Dariush: How does Solifuge's rejection make you feel?
Griffionday: OMGUS!
Post by: RangerCado on May 30, 2013, 11:12:55 pm
Ford: Who are you in love with of those here?
Vector/Groovester: Do you think switching out after this first week will cause problems for you?
Griffionday: Are you still going to play in character?
Leafsnail: How long do you think you could stand being town?
Ford: Do you think you'll survive to day 2 this game?
Toaster: Who do you want to keep warm and toasty?
Tiruin: Who would you not mind falling in love with this game?
Dariush: Whats the color of love in your opinion?
ZU: Do zombies feel love for people other than as a food source?
Phantom: Whats the best year to get married?
Shinigami: Will all of your lovers be dead?
Death: Whos heart would you most want to break?
NQT: Whats your most attractive feature?
Lenglon: Who would you least like to be stalked by?
Solifuge: On a scale of 1-10, how adorable are kittens?
Nerjin: Are you called revolver because you feel the need to revolve around a relationship rather than committing?
PPE's by the truck load!
CaptainFord-san: I can't track animals. I'm still learning.
Jim-san: I'd probably call you out on it, especially if you haven't done anything with the vote and/or rate me low on your scum list. How that would make me scummy i have no idea.
Now i have to learn what all the end parts in japan mean... TO PERSONA 4!!! (or just wikipedia)
Post by: Griffionday on May 30, 2013, 11:21:26 pm
Griffionday: OMGUS!I... I don't suck... anymore... I'm cooler now right?
...Right?
I presume you noticed there are 16 players and only 14 horses. Are you rooming with someone? If not, would you room with me?"I know you're busy setting yourself up for a punch to the gut Ford-san but I couldn't help but note that you mentioned we have horses...?"
I stop berating Ford-san as Ranger-san taps me on the sholder
Griffionday: Are you still going to play in character?"Have you seen nothing this day?"
"What about you? Are you intending to treat this as one of your cold, unfeeling, robotic experiments you so love? How are you going to be spending your time today?"
Post by: zombie urist on May 30, 2013, 11:22:18 pm
zombie urist: Why?Dunno. These questions went downhill fast. ::)
ZU: Do zombies feel love for people other than as a food source?Despite what a recent movie depicts, no.
Post by: Teneb on May 30, 2013, 11:23:21 pm
Deathsword: Would you rather kill someone, or seduce them?Ok, let me point something out to you.
Deathsword: Would you rather kill someone, or seduce them?
Deathsword:
DeathI hope you find this answer good enough.
Uh, um, uh... What did i get myself into!?!?A rather lovely thing.
Death: Whos heart would you most want to break?Captain Ford's Sandwich-Lizard.
Also, please use either Deathsword or DS. Anything else may result in I not noticing it was directed to myself.
NQT: You are not there. You also claim to not be here. Are you between here and there?
Dariush: Who in this game would you love murdering the most?
Tiruin: As you most clearly not scum, whom (of the players here) would you most fear if they were scum?
Ranger: Why two questions for Ford?
So many ninjas in this pseudo-japanese setup.
Post by: RangerCado on May 30, 2013, 11:31:31 pm
"I can show emotion! ...sometimes... maybe...don't judge me :-[ "
Post by: Captain Ford on May 30, 2013, 11:45:16 pm
Ford: Who are you in love with of those here?No one. At least not yet.
Ford: Do you think you'll survive to day 2 this game?Yes.
Vector/Groovester: Do you think switching out after this first week will cause problems for you?This question has been asked and answered, and as you can see (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284410#msg4284410), Vector has not, in fact, left at all.
Post by: Toaster on May 30, 2013, 11:48:15 pm
Toaster: Do you think that your ability to warm bread will lend you an advantage in affairs of the heart?
Yes. What purpose did this question serve?
Ranger:
Toaster: Who do you want to keep warm and toasty?
Your mother. What purpose did this question serve?
Jim/Vector: How will your dual nature affect future late-game readings of you?
Dariush: Pick two people you'd want to scum with, and then tell me how you'd betray and backstab them.
Post by: Tiruin on May 30, 2013, 11:49:09 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on May 30, 2013, 11:56:58 pm
Ford:Provoking a response. Also, it's love-related. Who knows, you might have jumped because I made a lucky guess.Toaster: Do you think that your ability to warm bread will lend you an advantage in affairs of the heart?Yes. What purpose did this question serve?
Spoiler: OOC (click to show/hide)
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 12:02:12 am
Ford:"uh, that could be said for 50%+ of the questions we both just asked Toaster-san. Everything has meaning and purpose to reach our collective goal. Trying unorthodox methods is part of the intrigue. Why the insult Toaster-san?"Toaster: Do you think that your ability to warm bread will lend you an advantage in affairs of the heart?
Yes. What purpose did this question serve?
Ranger:Toaster: Who do you want to keep warm and toasty?
Your mother. What purpose did this question serve?
(I was under the impression that these kinds of questions were what was supposed to be asked given the theme and Ford posting first) peer-pressure)
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 12:08:17 am
That is so adorable. I could put you in a cage and pet you all day long.Griffionday: OMGUS!I... I don't suck... anymore... I'm cooler now right?
...Right?
How would that make you feel? Loved and appreciated?
"I know you're busy setting yourself up for a punch to the gut Ford-san but I couldn't help but note that you mentioned we have horses...?"
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 12:33:46 am
Now that's real nice. ^_^
And here I thought Vector was talking to herself.
Quote from: ToonyMan
(I hope you guys are happy with how much time I've wasted doing this...)Yes. Yes we are. That was a nice read.
Ford!
First!I have no idea if Marraige is a good idea because it isn't in my vocabulary. If you're talking about marriage, its a good idea here. Seeing as its the act of consumating two people's love together in the eyes of the masses, as well as pointing out their stance on each other, its pretty much a good thing to see...wait, what's the context? IRL or Mafia? If mafia, I've no idea.
Vector/Groovester: How do you expect taking Vector's place for a week to affect your gameplay?
Griffionday: You were anticipating this game very highly. Now that it has started, has that enthusiasm changed at all?
Leafsnail: As we all know, you are always mafia. So how are you going to win as mafia this game?
Captain Ford: How did you get to be so handsome?
Toaster: Do you think that your ability to warm bread will lend you an advantage in affairs of the heart?
Tiruin: Marraige. Is it a good idea, or isn't it?
Looking for some tips from Leafsnail, Ford?
Also, why're you asking Griffy how he feels about the game? And...all those other questions which directly correlate to love?
...What in the world did you even ask ZU?
Griffionday: OMGUS!...This also seems like an OMGUS seeing as you didn't give reasons either.
Jim/Vector: I love that split personality there X3
Anywhoo, given the context of this game--how would you approach newbies and their attitudes? If they make a scummy mistake? Will there be any difference when interacting with 'more experienced' players?
Griffy:
Captain Ford starts complementing himselfThis comes off to me as you putting a subtle power-influence on Ford~
What's up with the blank?
"So why do you want Ford kicked out?! I don't get what you're saying. That's not cool, bro."Griffionday: OMGUS!I... I don't suck... anymore... I'm cooler now right?
...Right?
Ranger
Uh, um, uh... What did i get myself into!?!?What is this. Who is your avatar based on?
Why all the who are you in love questions?! Why are you asking blanks (color of love? >_>) and not adding anything else to the person in question?
Quote
Tiruin: Who would you not mind falling in love with this game?...Uh. Everyone? I don't know anybody here so...I guess everyone?
(I would say Hapah because of how he literally stole my heart but he's not playing...and when I say 'love > Him', I mean platonically. Don't think more on that.)
zombie urist: "You're pretty silent. Why are you pretty silent?"
DS
Tiruin: As you most clearly not scum, whom (of the players here) would you most fear if they were scum?Ok, how do you even know this.
...I would fear Vector. Because she knows how I act and...yeah. Weaving circles of confusion on me. >_>
Also, Jim. Because...well, he's one of the very first persons I've played with (IC and all), and he's quite assertive in a scary (and concealing) way when scum, as well as town.
Then there's Solifuge. I've no clear reason on why, but from my readings of him, its just that I respect his play as such.
Also, all the above does not categorize into your answer as 'fear', but 'being aware of' if scum. Because of how good their play-style is.
PPE: Ford...what's up with you and Griffy?
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 12:42:53 am
I have no idea if Marraige is a good idea because it isn't in my vocabulary. If you're talking about marriage, its a good idea here. Seeing as its the act of consumating two people's love together in the eyes of the masses, as well as pointing out their stance on each other, its pretty much a good thing to see...wait, what's the context? IRL or Mafia? If mafia, I've no idea.The context is whatever you think it is. That was part of the reason I asked the questions.
Looking for some tips from Leafsnail, Ford?Nope. Don't have any use for tips.
Also, why're you asking Griffy how he feels about the game? And...all those other questions which directly correlate to love?Because it will be interesting to see how people respond, and also whether or not they interpret it as in-game.
...What in the world did you even ask ZU?I was poking at the fact that ZU is often very terse.
Actually, I was announcing my own OMGUS.Griffionday: OMGUS!...This also seems like an OMGUS seeing as you didn't give reasons either.
PPE: Ford...what's up with you and Griffy?I don't know. Why do you ask?
What did sandwich-lizard ever do to you? :(Death: Whos heart would you most want to break?Captain Ford's Sandwich-Lizard.
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 12:46:47 am
OOC: (This is technically a semi-B. mod right?)
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 31, 2013, 12:54:16 am
I spot two of the cool people off to one side and head over to indroduce myself.
Oh, you.
"Ah, well met Vector-san, I see you are ready for this new year and already going on about math, what are you looking forward to this year?"
Meeting cute boys and/or girls, getting good grades, and lynching scum.
So, are you just going to spend all day introducing yourself to people and hope they get nosebleeds from the encounter, or are you going to start looking for bullies?
I presume you noticed there are 16 players and only 14 horses. Are you rooming with someone?
What does whether I have a roommate or not have to do with the number of horses in this game?
I have a stable, for fuck's sake, the horses can go in there.
If not, would you room with me?
Ew, no.
Get lost.
Vector/Groovester: Do you think switching out after this first week will cause problems for you?This question has been asked and answered, and as you can see (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284410#msg4284410), Vector has not, in fact, left at all.
Why, thank you for pointing this out on behalf of myself.
But anytime anyone answers a question directed at me, even redundant ones, I snap at them and ask what they were trying to accomplish, and this is no exception.
I'm nearly capable enough of answering questions directed at me, so why are you stepping in and answering them for me?
Jim/Vector: How will your dual nature affect future late-game readings of you?
Replacements favor the slot regardless of the original player's alignment, as any oddities can be dismissed as the previous player being weird.
It's not every day a player gets to choose their own substitute though, so I suspect people will put more stock into their reads on me when Vector returns.
If Vector were gone, which she is not, because I am Vector and I am here right now.
(I was under the impression that these kinds of questions were what was supposed to be asked given the theme and Ford posting first) peer-pressure)
Ah, so you don't like thinking for yourself.
Noted.
Jim/Vector: I love that split personality there X3
Anywhoo, given the context of this game--how would you approach newbies and their attitudes? If they make a scummy mistake? Will there be any difference when interacting with 'more experienced' players?
I've basically forgotten how to play so I'm winging it here.
I'm assuming that the newer players are experienced enough that their newness won't be an anchor around their neck that will get them killed just because they have no idea what they're doing. Which means, all's fair. If I feel like they're scummy, I'm going to press them.
I'll probably refer to my experiences with the more experienced players, which I discovered the last time I played was totally useless.
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 01:01:03 am
*Tiruin points at that equine remark.PPE: Ford...what's up with you and Griffy?I don't know. Why do you ask?
What horses?! 14 horses?
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 01:08:20 am
Why, thank you for pointing this out on behalf of myself.Why, to get you to snap at me, of course. Because that is a thing that Vector does, and that you, being Vector, would be expected to do.
But anytime anyone answers a question directed at me, even redundant ones, I snap at them and ask what they were trying to accomplish, and this is no exception.
I'm nearly capable enough of answering questions directed at me, so why are you stepping in and answering them for me?
Spoiler: OOC (click to show/hide)
Yes, 14 horses, and we have to divide them up among the 16 of us. You see the problem.*Tiruin points at that equine remark.PPE: Ford...what's up with you and Griffy?I don't know. Why do you ask?
What horses?! 14 horses?
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 01:10:37 am
(http://cdn.astroempires.com/images/smilies/neutral.gif)Actually, I was announcing my own OMGUS.Griffionday: OMGUS!...This also seems like an OMGUS seeing as you didn't give reasons either.
So what's yer take on Griffy there?
I don't even. So we're somehow eating 14 horses. You know you won't be able to finish it all off, including on who's doing the cooking (not me.)Yes, 14 horses, and we have to divide them up among the 16 of us. You see the problem.*Tiruin points at that equine remark.PPE: Ford...what's up with you and Griffy?I don't know. Why do you ask?
What horses?! 14 horses?
But really. Horses? Why 14, and why horses? What are you trying to pull?
...You're poking at gender, aren't you?
Tiruin: (I literally searched anime girl and that pic showed up.) "I can't go about this in an unorthodox way Senpai?" (i hope thats the right context for senpai)Technically, its a FUN mod. Because we've quite no idea what's happening (or...just me).
OOC: (This is technically a semi-B. mod right?)
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 01:22:34 am
Lenglon: If you had to ask Ranger out on a date, how would you approach him?"I would buy another copy of Front Mission, tape a note with my address and a date and time to the front of it, and throw it at him from across the room. followed by walking away quickly, without looking back."
Lenglon: Who would you least like to be stalked by?"I'd hate to be stalked by Dariush. If he ever caught me alone..."
Lenglon shudders at the thought.
"Yeesh"
That is so adorable. I could put you in a cage and pet you all day long."Wait! never mind that, I think Captain Ford would be the scariest. Creeper."
How would that make you feel? Loved and appreciated?
"speaking of which, Ford what is that cage comment about anyway? You saying you keep something like that lying around?"
Lenglon quickly evacuates the area around Ford. after all, who knows what that creeper will do when questioned.
"Hey, um, Tiruin how much of the time will you be spending acting, well, normal?"(in-character)
"Hmmm... Ranger! Why shouldn't we simply out you as a bully right now and get it over with?"
"Oh, and, um... oh, I know! Daylight! Why's our local glowball getting so worked up bout Ford being all nosey anyways?"
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 01:26:01 am
I will treasure the look on your face forever.Actually, I was announcing my own OMGUS.(http://cdn.astroempires.com/images/smilies/neutral.gif)
So what's yer take on Griffy there?
Griffy is cute, but I need another response before I can make a judgment on whether he's husband material or not.
Because there are 14 of them. And don't underestimate my appetite.Yes, 14 horses, and we have to divide them up among the 16 of us. You see the problem.I don't even. So we're somehow eating 14 horses. You know you won't be able to finish it all off, including on who's doing the cooking (not me.)
But really. Horses? Why 14, and why horses? What are you trying to pull?
Also, I never said we were going to eat them. Whatever you do with your 7/8 of a horse is up to you.
...You're poking at gender, aren't you?I don't really see how I could avoid that. And no, for what it's worth, that doesn't actually matter to me. Unless it does and I don't know it.
Spoiler: OOC (click to show/hide)
...Toony: Is everyone assumed to be straight? Or is love blind?
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 01:29:42 am
Solifuge: On a scale of 1-10, how adorable are kittens?
(http://i.imgur.com/eqU6bAd.jpg)
"I know you're busy setting yourself up for a punch to the gut Ford-san but I couldn't help but note that you mentioned we have horses...?"Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/b55Hn6c.jpg)
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 01:32:38 am
(By horses he's obviously talking about the houses... now i'm imagining someone eating 14 houses)
"Holy jeebus! don't scare me solifuge-san!"
PPE: Dang it! ninja'd by the tawny kitty!
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 01:35:58 am
"Hey, um, Tiruin how much of the time will you be spending acting, well, normal?"(in-character)"Well, as far as I see fit. Until these bullies are out however, I'm taking these things seriously into my own hands. But I'm not going to use their own methods of harsh assertiveness and generally being a big stupidhead. No. I'm-I...err. I don't like bullies >_>
"And...Normal? I guess I'm as normal as normal is. We all have a few quirks..."
Bluh, forgot that ToonyMan runs this also with IC touches. Unsure how that'd affect gameplay, but I see no downside to it (ability-wise)
That works, Ford. Its not confusing.Because there are 14 of them. And don't underestimate my appetite.Yes, 14 horses, and we have to divide them up among the 16 of us. You see the problem.I don't even. So we're somehow eating 14 horses. You know you won't be able to finish it all off, including on who's doing the cooking (not me.)
But really. Horses? Why 14, and why horses? What are you trying to pull?
Also, I never said we were going to eat them. Whatever you do with your 7/8 of a horse is up to you....You're poking at gender, aren't you?I don't really see how I could avoid that. And no, for what it's worth, that doesn't actually matter to me. Unless it does and I don't know it.Spoiler: OOC (click to show/hide)
Though this is me being suspicious that your role is female, actually. X3
But horses...this should devolve into a conversation topic regarding mafia, and them bullies. I can't get where this is going however.Because there are 14 of them. And don't underestimate my appetite.Yes, 14 horses, and we have to divide them up among the 16 of us. You see the problem.I don't even. So we're somehow eating 14 horses. You know you won't be able to finish it all off, including on who's doing the cooking (not me.)
But really. Horses? Why 14, and why horses? What are you trying to pull?
Also, I never said we were going to eat them. Whatever you do with your 7/8 of a horse is up to you.
Dariush: Hows it feel to be toned down? No swearing? :D
PPE:
O_o
That is the most amazing post I've ever read. "Yes it is."
Solifuge: You're a cute cat, aren't you.
"Anyway, I'd like to ask. How would your way be, if you aren't a bully, in finding bullies, hmm?
"Gonna lie? Gonna be like them? What are you going to do, cat-lover?"
...That came off as mean...
"But, but, but, Lenglon! I haven't even done something stupid to warrent that yet! please don't hit me with boxes :(>_>
(By horses he's obviously talking about the houses... now i'm imagining someone eating 14 houses)
"Holy jeebus! don't scare me solifuge-san!"
PPE: Dang it! ninja'd by the tawny kitty!
"I don't get euphemisms! Or..hidden meanings. That was a euphemism, right? I didn't get houses and horses!"
:I People and English.
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 01:40:40 am
"speaking of which, Ford what is that cage comment about anyway? You saying you keep something like that lying around?"No, not lying around, no. I'd have to buy one special, just for you. :3
And I wouldn't do that to someone unless they wanted it. Why take someone who's unwilling when there's plenty of willing ones to go around?
Lenglon quickly evacuates the area around Ford. after all, who knows what that creeper will do when questioned.Good idea.
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 01:44:19 am
:I People and English.Ey! we bin noice. Suhfaras I kin see we ain't got nuttin and nobody breakin out deh local flavah an suchloke. 's bin fair sahfah. well, till dis aneweh.
>.>
people near where I live speak oddly sometimes.
Post by: zombie urist on May 31, 2013, 01:48:58 am
I'm not gonna do one if everyone else does the other. :P
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 01:55:54 am
It's just that I see people aren't adding the accessory of Mafia to their RP :I
"Focus people. Mean people about..we can't chat our way to get them."
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 02:10:57 am
Solifuge: You're a cute cat, aren't you.
"Anyway, I'd like to ask. How would your way be, if you aren't a bully, in finding bullies, hmm?
"Gonna lie? Gonna be like them? What are you going to do, cat-lover?"
(http://i.imgur.com/2DypKrq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HPTj0w7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KPTLzUt.jpg)
Hold on are we roleplaying or playing mafia?
I'm not gonna do one if everyone else does the other. :P
(http://i.imgur.com/phrePrJ.jpg)
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 02:29:59 am
That is purely amazing. Hm.
NQT: "You're quite the charmer, someone into logic and rationality. Tell me now, with all the houses and whatnot--do you think these play to one side or the other? Bullies or non, if that's the case?"
Post by: Dariush on May 31, 2013, 05:13:36 am
Ford: Vector for a straighteness guarantee. Actually no, wait, fuck Vector, she's a whiny lynchhappy bitch. I'm going to bend the question a little by treating 'this game' as 'Mafia subforum in general' and answer Flandre. Yep, that's my final answer.
Ford: the rejection of someone who knows what a visual novel is supposed to look like, bothers to write his answers in this format and an ungrateful asshole in addition to that automatically makes me feel better than before.
Cado: the colour of a freshly severed neck. Because nothing says 'love' like murdering the fuck out of everyone who dares to look at my Yuki~FUCK the weabooness is overtaking me.
DS: Vector because see above, NQT because nobody will miss him, Nerjin because I promised him.
Lenglon, please don't use this colour, it's unreadable on Darkling.
Solifuge, are you intentionally using the pictures to make it as hard as possible for people to quote you?
Сado, what information did you hope to extract from this wall of questions?
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 05:32:59 am
(http://i.imgur.com/1kUNlsg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/r1IC6nK.jpg)
Spoiler: Lenglon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Griffionday (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: RagnerCado (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Shinigami_King (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Zombie Urist (click to show/hide)
Solifuge, are you intentionally using the pictures to make it as hard as possible for people to quote you?
(http://i.imgur.com/QKdnM9S.jpg)
Post by: notquitethere on May 31, 2013, 06:44:36 am
notquitethere: You're still here. Why?"It's the start of a new school year and I haven't graduated yet. We both started at the same time and you're still here, thus I am still here."
NQT: Whats your most attractive feature?"I have no attractive features as of yet, but I had considered placing magnets in my fingertips. Then my fingertips would be my most attractive feature."
NQT: You are not there. You also claim to not be here. Are you between here and there?"That question is neither here nor there, and so is my answer."
Finally, esteemed colleague Tiruin-sama asks a sensible question.
NQT: "You're quite the charmer, someone into logic and rationality. Tell me now, with all the houses and whatnot--do you think these play to one side or the other? Bullies or non, if that's the case?""I don't think bullies would dare target us at school. I don't know how the bullies could find us at home if they don't know where we live, especially if we have sleep-overs. But who knows what extracurricular skills these bullies have picked up over the summer?"
NQT because nobody will miss him#[NQT] glares at the extremely rude Dariush-yōgisha, who has always been a bully (if not necessarily a murdering one).
Post by: Leafsnail on May 31, 2013, 08:32:03 am
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
Leafsnail: As we all know, you are always mafia. So how are you going to win as mafia this game?Hard work and diligent study. In this world, that is all we need.
Leafsnail: How long do you think you could stand being town?In my heart, I am always mafia.
I have no idea if Marraige is a good idea because it isn't in my vocabulary. If you're talking about marriage, its a good idea here. Seeing as its the act of consumating two people's love together in the eyes of the masses, as well as pointing out their stance on each other, its pretty much a good thing to see...wait, what's the context? IRL or Mafia? If mafia, I've no idea.
Looking for some tips from Leafsnail, Ford?
[/quote]
Well, you should always follow your heart, and not your... huh, I seem to have forgotten the end of this proverb. Ask me again later.
Post by: Shakerag on May 31, 2013, 09:34:45 am
Ranger:d-(^_^)Toaster: Who do you want to keep warm and toasty?
Your mother. What purpose did this question serve?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Toaster on May 31, 2013, 09:56:12 am
First and foremost, I have also gotten into the spirit of things.
Ford: Fair enough, but I shall expect real content out of you, instead of just horsing around.
...Toony: Is everyone assumed to be straight? Or is love blind?
I would assume that love is so blind that it doesn't even care if the target is human, especially since going by the silhouettes, we have a meatwall, a catgirl, and a satellite.
Also Solifuge appears to be a full-on cat.
Speaking of Solifuge: It's a bit disturbing when you factor in your avatar and how much of his* anatomy he's showing off.
*Or her- that appears to be a skirt. Though I'm not sure how you'd get a cat in pants. Mine would try to murder me if I dressed them at all.
Ranger: I realize that could be asked to most questions, but I'm asking it to you. Don't deflect it away.
Also, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
Dariush: I asked you a question.
Leafsnail:
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
Assuming you mean scumtells...
Most valid? Hmm... Inconsistency is probably way up there. Tough call because they're all situational.
Least valid is hypocrisy. I've seen this used in the past and even used it myself, but it really doesn't tell you anything about the alignment of a player- just that they're a derp.
This is an unusual start from you. I don't recall you ever starting up with a question that was vague to the point of uselessness.
Anyway, back to Jimbo Mathlover:
I've basically forgotten how to play so I'm winging it here.
Bullshit. Bull fucking shit.
I've played with you plenty damn enough times to know you're quite capable. You even wrote a book on scummology (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/gDy5hwicixg). Don't you dare come in and drop such a whopping lie. I heard mooing all the way over here from all that bullshit.
I know someone setting themselves up an excuse when I see one.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 31, 2013, 09:58:38 am
Most valid? Hmm... Inconsistency is probably way up there. Tough call because they're all situational.Aren't these basically the same thing?
Least valid is hypocrisy. I've seen this used in the past and even used it myself, but it really doesn't tell you anything about the alignment of a player- just that they're a derp.
Post by: Toaster on May 31, 2013, 10:02:27 am
Hypocrisy means attacking someone over doing something that the attacker is doing as well.
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 10:41:54 am
Lenglon, please don't use this colour, it's unreadable on Darkling."Am I easier to hear now?"
Spoiler: Kitty Question (click to show/hide)
"I don't really know what role I would prefer, I've not had the chance to try them all. I usually enjoy strategy games the most."
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?"Um, the most valid I think would be a direct confession of guilt, right? After that I'd guess lying, although it's sometimes a good idea to lie for a short time to trick bullies or whatever so long as you own up to it right afterwards. right?"
"Neko-San, you spoke to everyone like they were each acting weird just a moment ago."(you FOSed everyone you questioned)
"How are we going to tell when you're serious if you keep doing that?"
"Ranger-Kun, When do you think someone should advertise their talents?"(roleclaim)
"NQT-Sama, do you think we'll be safer at our own houses or if we sleep over at a friend's house until this trouble is over?"
(also, what is with that honorific you gave Dariush? I don't recognize it)
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2013, 10:56:23 am
OOC: (This is technically a semi-B. mod right?)It's a quarter-bastard.
...Toony: Is everyone assumed to be straight? Or is love blind?I shouldn't answer this.
I've been getting some questions because of my lack of
GENERAL RULES:4a. Players will however, see the silhouettes of the players with them in that house. This is excluding special circumstances. In other words they'll have a general perspective and head count. Again, excluding special circumstances. During the first Night everyone will know which one is their silhouette by then.
1. Game starts at D1 and players can vote who to kick out of school.
2. During Nights players choose which house they want to go to, or if they prefer to stay home for the night. Some characters have abilities or special actions depending on who if anybody is with them.
3. At the start nobody knows whose house is whose except their own (or their groups if they're informed). When visiting a house they selected that player will be able to tell whose house it is now and what gender that player is (as long as something else doesn't screw with them).
4. Players will not know who's with them unless they're by themselves in which case they'll know they're by themselves (baring special cases).
5. Not every player starts with a house, some may live with others or not have one.
6. A kicked out, harassed/bullied away, dead, or won player's house cannot be entered anymore.
Post by: notquitethere on May 31, 2013, 11:17:29 am
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?#[NQT] stares down at a book while saying to no one in particular, "Bullies like to fit in: the only truly valid tell is a smoking gun. That said, looking at the past votes of bullies who have been expelled may prove enlightening. I don't think we should put too much stock in the things people say on their first day back at school, but what they actually do has meaning."
"NQT-Sama, do you think we'll be safer at our own houses or if we sleep over at a friend's house until this trouble is over?""Lenglon-kun, a yōgisha is a suspect in a trial and is thus the most appropriate honorific for one without honour. I think we will be most safe if we sleep over each other's houses: if a bully snoops in our house they can go through our drawers, read our diaries and find out who we are: we wouldn't want to be around if they came back for us at home!"
(also, what is with that honorific you gave Dariush? I don't recognize it)
A look of quiet despair casts over the student's face. To have a real sleep-over you have to have friends. Otherwise you're just breaking into someone's house.
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 11:32:36 am
I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?(http://i.imgur.com/H7pxjKy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Znvbes3.jpg)
"Neko-San, you spoke to everyone like they were each acting weird just a moment ago."(you FOSed everyone you questioned)(http://i.imgur.com/TuCM1YT.jpg)
Speaking of Solifuge: It's a bit disturbing when you factor in your avatar and how much of his* anatomy he's showing off.(http://i.imgur.com/qzW9rxI.jpg)
*Or her- that appears to be a skirt. Though I'm not sure how you'd get a cat in pants. Mine would try to murder me if I dressed them at all.
Post by: Toaster on May 31, 2013, 11:42:51 am
(http://i.imgur.com/qzW9rxI.jpg)
Yes, it's very kawaii. Possibly desu as well, though this is unconfirmed. I domo all your arigatos.
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 11:46:35 am
"Just a bit of fun really Dariush-san.
"I hope to be sticking around cute little kitty. My strengths would probably be... Flawed logic. My logic always seems to be flawed but the way people take that flaw, and react to it, can reveal things they wished to remain hidden. Weaknesses though... I'm an idiot who jumps the gun a lot."
"Fair enough kitty-Toaster-san."
"It depends on the situation really Senpai. (Lenglon) If its been 4-6 days and a few of the bullies are gone, that would seem a good idea. If we've had no success in finding the bullies after 2-3 days, It may be prudent then as well."
"I will have some real questions for you all later, i have 2 tests i need to take and i haven't done all the work yet." (I claim green for coloring words!)
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 11:56:27 am
Yes, it's very kawaii. Possibly desu as well, though this is unconfirmed. I domo all your arigatos.
(http://i.imgur.com/R41CqqG.jpg)
Post by: zombie urist on May 31, 2013, 12:43:27 pm
I think its going to make it harder and take more time.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Most helpful: scumhunting. Least helpful: excessive roleplay. (like in KWN:Pandar edition) I expect to lead.Spoiler: Zombie Urist (click to show/hide)
zombie urist: "You're pretty silent. Why are you pretty silent?"Don't know.
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?Most valid: bandwagoning, Least valid: lurking
Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 01:00:52 pm
Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?"Because he's creepy!" (no scumhunting-related reason, just an IC one)
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2013, 01:13:47 pm
I forgot to mention, I'll try to do a vote count every 24 hours.
EDIT:
I also forgot to add to the end of the Day 1 start lore as to why everybody is voting to kick people out again. Basically there's been reports of bullying again and a somewhat milder version (as of yet) version of the past 31 years ago incident is happening.
Post by: Nerjin on May 31, 2013, 01:39:04 pm
I refuse to play with Ford after what he just pulled in The Great Temple.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on May 31, 2013, 02:07:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Shinigami King: Let's say you have a one shot day-kill and it's MYLO, there's one guy that you suspect, but the rest of the town is for killing a different guy who claims that he's lynch-proof. Who, if anyone, do you shoot?
Lenglon: You're a Jailkeeper and there's two people you could target tonight: One of them is confirmed town, the other is confirmed to have an extremely useful ability that may be necessary to the town's victory, but you're less sure of their standing. Who do you target?
Phantom of the Library: Should the man pay for dinner?Only if the woman didn't bring any dear Ford-sama.
Phantom: Whats the best year to get married?Whatever year you happen to be doing so.
Good morning, everyone!Most? Probably inconsistency like Toaster said, but there's really no single tell that stands out that stands out and says: "They're scum" immediately. Least would be bandwagoning, as the current meta stands.
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
How about you?
Post by: Nerjin on May 31, 2013, 02:09:55 pm
I'll have to do my read later unfortunately. I'll share everythng once I'm done with that.
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 02:13:41 pm
So much custom art.
I don't care if D1 isn't over yet, put this game in the Notable Games Archive.This holds true. I can't help but admire how cute Solifuge does his kittykat.
Lenglon, please don't use this colour, it's unreadable on Darkling.Actually, all colors are readable on Darkling. Purple is muchly readable on darkling..must be your eyes. :P
...But mediumorchid works too! Hope you like chocolate.
"Come now, NQT. Surely you can't hate a person just because he is being mean to you? Dariush seems like that mean person with a bad attitude, but I'm betting its not his fault because he's like that.NQT because nobody will miss him#[NQT] glares at the extremely rude Dariush-yōgisha, who has always been a bully (if not necessarily a murdering one).
"Local factors on personality aside, why're you suspecting the guy because he doesn't like you?"
My IC voice is also my player voice. Darn you Toony :P
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
"When people are too assertive that they lack any sort of lead or that they seem to wish to undermine the other on loose facts as well as appealing to the general notion. The latter differs, but you can..err, feel the difference. I dunno how to explain that contextually, but I'm not seeing that much right now."
Ford needs to explain himself as he seems to be waiting on time more than hunting scummies.
"As for least valid, that'd be voting another person out because of the heck of it..of which I'm seeing many people do, for some reason. Now I'm guessing it'd either be the tension or that people are loving the situation we're in. That's dumb, because we still have scummies here and taking advantage of this carefreeness is one thing I'm watching out for.-
"Oh right, least valid. Err, that. It mostly depends on the context for me.."
"Yeah..how?"I think its going to make it harder and take more time.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?*ahem* "I mean, how in this current time is bandwagoning a tell?..Actually, expound on that bandwagoning idea you've got and how it relates to being your #1 tell?"
Nerjin
Request Replacement"B-wuh? I hope its just emotions speaking there and that you'd reconsid-"
I refuse to play with Ford after what he just pulled in The Great Temple.
PPE
"..what was that about?"
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 31, 2013, 02:29:21 pm
Also, your kawaii cat has a very punchable face, but that's neither here nor there.
Ford: Vector for a straighteness guarantee. Actually no, wait, fuck Vector, she's a whiny lynchhappy bitch. I'm going to bend the question a little by treating 'this game' as 'Mafia subforum in general' and answer Flandre. Yep, that's my final answer.
You can't get rid of me that easily.
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
Avoiding calling a player scum despite voting with intent to lynch.
OMGUS.
I know someone setting themselves up an excuse when I see one.
Calling it a lie is a little over the top.
It's a comment on the break I had before getting into this game. It's been a while and I'm rusty, but I'm not expecting anyone to give me slack. It would be ridiculous of me to, as well.
integral
:O :D ^_^ <3 <3 <3 :3 uguu~~~
PFP- Can't sleep. Nightmare.
About how you're betraying everyone and it's eating you up inside because you're scum, right?
more colored text
Fuck no.
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 02:39:14 pm
Lenglon: You're a Jailkeeper and there's two people you could target tonight: One of them is confirmed town, the other is confirmed to have an extremely useful ability that may be necessary to the town's victory, but you're less sure of their standing. Who do you target?"I... I really can't say. In that kind of dilemma I'd usually try to pick a third option, and block someone other than those two. If it's night and only the three of us are left, then I'd have no choice but to block the person I'm unsure of, but I dont think that's the situation you had in mind when you asked the question."
PFP- Can't sleep. Nightmare.Lenglon gently pats Tiruin on the shoulder
"Hey, it's ok. we've all been there too. I hope you get a chance to settle your nerves some and get some rest.
"Jerk, that wasn't even an attempt at looking for bullies, that's just being mean. Stop it."PFP- Can't sleep. Nightmare.
About how you're betraying everyone and it's eating you up inside because you're scum, right?more colored text
Fuck no.
"Nerjin, I'd also like to know what that temper tantrum was about. I mean, Ford's a creep, but that's no reason to quit coming to class."
"Jim could you please explain the theory behind what you're calling your most valid tell? I don't understand why not using the word scum in a lynch case means anything as long as the case is solid."
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 02:41:12 pm
Quote
Shinigami King: Let's say you have a one shot day-kill and it's MYLO, there's one guy that you suspect, but the rest of the town is for killing a different guy who claims that he's lynch-proof. Who, if anyone, do you shoot?I go for the scum on mylo, that or I try to tie things up so we have a no lynch. Solifuge-
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ranger- hello you big bully!
Quote
Shinigami: Will all of your lovers be dead?I may be the king of death bringers but I like flesh not bone if ya know what I mean.
Ford- oh you silly
Quote
Blondes, brunettes, or redheads?Redheads, Brunettes blondes.
Be back when I have a bit of time to read everything.
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 02:46:23 pm
...No, because I don't have any loyalties to any of you..I guess. But really, no.PFP- Can't sleep. Nightmare.
About how you're betraying everyone and it's eating you up inside because you're scum, right?
I could narrate it, but that'd take up lots of time. Also, its scary.
more colored textOk. :/
Ranger- hello you big bully!Bloody reasons, Shinigami. Expound, you.
Post by: Toaster on May 31, 2013, 02:47:46 pm
Jim:
I know someone setting themselves up an excuse when I see one.
Calling it a lie is a little over the top.
It's a comment on the break I had before getting into this game. It's been a while and I'm rusty, but I'm not expecting anyone to give me slack. It would be ridiculous of me to, as well.
Go ahead and blow it off. You're still scum.
Post by: zombie urist on May 31, 2013, 02:52:38 pm
More noise to sift through."Yeah..how?"I think its going to make it harder and take more time.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Its not right now, but in general I've found that scum like to bandwagon on a person with minimal additional reasons or flawed reasons.Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?*ahem* "I mean, how in this current time is bandwagoning a tell?..Actually, expound on that bandwagoning idea you've got and how it relates to being your #1 tell?"
Why aren't you voting for a scumhunting reason then?Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?"Because he's creepy!" (no scumhunting-related reason, just an IC one)
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 02:57:31 pm
"Who do you believe would be our biggest threat if they were a bully Ford-san?"
"Vecooster senpai, who do you believe will cause the most confusion for us? How about the bullies?" (regardless of alignment)
"Griffy-san, who would you least like to have confirmed as a non-bully? How about most want?"
"Will being a bully at heart cause you to help the bullies even if your not one of them Leafsnail-san?"
"Toaster-san, considering how unknown we are to eachothers talents, (role abilities) how many claims do you expect before Day 3 or 4?
"Tiruin senpai, who would be you preferred bully friends if you could pick 3?"
"Dariush-san, what affects do you believe Valentines Day (the theme) will have on everyones ability to find the bullies?"
"If you had the... ability, for a lack of a better word, to kill everyone who visited your house but could also stop anyone from visiting each night, when would it be appropriate to kill all your visitors, Zombie-san?"
"Phantom-san, I haven't seen you around the school before, HI! Who would be the biggest danger to you if you were a bully?"
"Shinigami-san, Your a bully and your the only one left. It would take 3 Days to get rid of enough people to be the only one left. How would you act to hide what you were?"
"Of all of those here Death-san, Who do you believe would vote out one of their bully friends if they were a bully themselves?"
"NQT-san, how likely do you think it is that we will find a bully today?"
"Lenglon-san, how many people do you think are bullies (the ratio), and who would you hate to be a bully with?"
"Kitty senpai(I will continue to refer to Solifuge as kitty until someone tells me to stop because he is a cute kitty!), What would your preferred talent be in this situation?(game)"
"Nerjin-san, if you were a bully, who would you get rid of first?"
(I think we should all consider the possibility of Third-Parties in this game as we have quite a large list of players and the theme just screams that someone probably has lovers or can give lovers)
"I think a bully would most likely be inconsistent somewhere with their line of questioning so thats a big tell, as well as just throwing your vote on someone thats under a lot of suspicion.(band wagon). Something that we all do at one time or another is be a hypocrit, so trying to find a bully on those grounds won't lead to much success."
"Shinigami-san, please ask some questions with your vote when you have some time." (Now to post before even more posts show up)
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 03:04:33 pm
Solifuge, so I'm assuming that with how much effort you're putting into each post, you must be very interested in playing this game.
Also, your kawaii cat has a very punchable face, but that's neither here nor there.
(http://i.imgur.com/DRbL7kF.jpg)
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 03:14:57 pm
Tiruin denied the loyalty but not being scum. Scum #2 there!>_>
You did read the 'no', right?
Though, I seem to be getting a hint in your posts, Toaster. You've been poking at points as if taken out of context, why is that? Like that one poke regarding Jim: I can see the curiosity there, but if he's using that as an excuse it'll be a pretty blatant one. Something I don't see anyone in their right minds would lean on as an alibi.
Anything else you've got on Jim but a passive-aggressive prod?
PPE
...Its a bloody picture (without the blood). How is that noise? It just simulates the flow of a conversation, is all. Pretty easy to read over unless you're that paranoid of every word.More noise to sift through."Yeah..how?"I think its going to make it harder and take more time.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Its not right now, but in general I've found that scum like to bandwagon on a person with minimal additional reasons or flawed reasons.Yeah, scum also like to 'bandwagon' for good reasons. Remember people utilizing other's mistakes and riding on them? Something to look out for.
Also, what's your take on newbies and the game--if they slip up, how will you differentiate town from scum there?
Quote from: @Lenglon
Why aren't you voting for a scumhunting reason then?
Quote from: Her post
"Because he's creepy!" (no scumhunting-related reason, just an IC one)Her post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284634#msg4284634)
I'd like to know what you think of Ford until that post there.
PPE: Ranger
"Tiruin senpai, who would be you preferred bully friends if you could pick 3?"..Bully friends. And 3...err, that means I'd be friending meanies.
That'd be Vector, Toaster and Solifuge. The first and third for [REASONS_STATED (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284580;topicseen#msg4284580)] and that Sol is pretty much good in the art of communication. Toaster for him being a great scum player.
Query:
You seem to be asking everyone comments based more on a bully (or Mafia) viewpoint, why so? Why do you use the word 'talent' instead of anything else when talking to kitty-Soli?
(I think we should all consider the possibility of Third-Parties in this game as we have quite a large list of players and the theme just screams that someone probably has lovers or can give lovers)I'm agreeing with this, but on a broader basis--just because the theme screams love, we can't assume it means lovers directly. Also, I figure the silhouettes mean something as Toony said so in the opening post? Was this based on anything?
Toony/Mod: Do the silhouettes mean anything?
PPE!! Solifuge. That's a nice kitty...I envy (in an appreciative way that I can't find a synonym for) your art. And how you copy paste it to that background. And the textbox.
I've to agree that that doesn't sound like Vector, Jim. Vector doesn't punch cats. :P
Solifuge-chan: What's your take on the current situation of people addressing others? Would you treat a newbie in the same way as you'd treat anyone else--especially when they commit a mistake?
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 03:18:50 pm
"B-Because I dont know who else to vote for! Besides, I'm still asking questions and stuff. I just dont like the creepy guy." (because I could vote randomly, or I could vote for RP. in either case the vote's meaningless anyway.)Why aren't you voting for a scumhunting reason then?Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?"Because he's creepy!" (no scumhunting-related reason, just an IC one)
"Well, last time there were three of them, right? So I'd guess there's three again this time."
"Lenglon-san, how many people do you think are bullies (the ratio), and who would you hate to be a bully with?"
"As for who I'd want as a bullying partner? Um, it's not really my thing, but, um... Tiruin I think. She's fun to work with generally, and is experienced at this so I could learn from her and get help as necessary."(by the way, keeping your color tags functional was tricky because of the way you formatted your post. if you replace the formatting tags at regular intervals then people can crop your quote without making errors. for example each of mine has replacement formatting on each line.)
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 31, 2013, 03:20:20 pm
"Jerk, that wasn't even an attempt at looking for bullies, that's just being mean. Stop it."
I can't tell if this was an RP thing or not, but I'm going to assume it's not.
Why are you defending Tiruin?
"Jim could you please explain the theory behind what you're calling your most valid tell? I don't understand why not using the word scum in a lynch case means anything as long as the case is solid."
New players may not be as comfortable about lying their asses off as others, so when it comes to scum voting for a player they know is town, they may avoid calling that player scum because they know it's not true.
...No, because I don't have any loyalties to any of you..I guess. But really, no.
It's good that you're comfortable enough about being scum that you're not having nightmares about it.
Go ahead and blow it off. You're still scum.
If you're not satisfied with the explanation, then too bad.
"Vecooster senpai, who do you believe will cause the most confusion for us? How about the bullies?" (regardless of alignment)
ToonyMan.
Also ToonyMan.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Good, so you are interested.
Because if you're playing with any sort of interest instead of a sense of obligation then you're probably scum.
Post by: Toaster on May 31, 2013, 03:27:40 pm
"Toaster-san, considering how unknown we are to eachothers talents, (role abilities) how many claims do you expect before Day 3 or 4?
Claiming is actually a very interesting subject that I wanted to bring up.
Let's look at this post by Toony (reordered for clarity):
2. During Nights players choose which house they want to go to, or if they prefer to stay home for the night. Some characters have abilities or special actions depending on who if anybody is with them.
3. At the start nobody knows whose house is whose except their own (or their groups if they're informed). When visiting a house they selected that player will be able to tell whose house it is now and what gender that player is (as long as something else doesn't screw with them).
4. Players will not know who's with them unless they're by themselves in which case they'll know they're by themselves (baring special cases).
4a. Players will however, see the silhouettes of the players with them in that house. This is excluding special circumstances. In other words they'll have a general perspective and head count. Again, excluding special circumstances. During the first Night everyone will know which one is their silhouette by then.
This is going to make fake claims much much harder. Someone could say "N2 I visited House 13. Meatwall and Satellite were there." I expect when claim time comes, it will be informative. I can't say too much on WHEN claims will happen, though- probably a standard time for a mass claim, though a specific player might claim earlier, as in "I was at House 12 and Meatwall and Catgirl were there, now Catgirl is dead, Meatwall must have done it!"
To assist with claims, I made this as a handy reference chart:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So Meatwall is D, Satellite is L, and so on.
Tiruin:
Tiruin denied the loyalty but not being scum. Scum #2 there!>_>
You did read the 'no', right?
Though, I seem to be getting a hint in your posts, Toaster. You've been poking at points as if taken out of context, why is that? Like that one poke regarding Jim: I can see the curiosity there, but if he's using that as an excuse it'll be a pretty blatant one. Something I don't see anyone in their right minds would lean on as an alibi.
Anything else you've got on Jim but a passive-aggressive prod?
I saw a vague and non-specific no.
Have you played D1 in a Mafia game before?
One more thing, but I'll get to it when I get to him. Which is now.
Go Reject Vomit Rovers:
Go ahead and blow it off. You're still scum.
If you're not satisfied with the explanation, then too bad.
That's fine. I wasn't going to unvote you anyway.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Good, so you are interested.
Because if you're playing with any sort of interest instead of a sense of obligation then you're probably scum.
So why aren't you voting him over it?
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 03:37:31 pm
"Kitty senpai(I will continue to refer to Solifuge as kitty until someone tells me to stop because he is a cute kitty!), What would your preferred talent be in this situation?(game)"
Spoiler: RangerCado (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Good, so you are interested.
Because if you're playing with any sort of interest instead of a sense of obligation then you're probably scum.
Spoiler: Jim Groovester / Vector (click to show/hide)
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 03:39:31 pm
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?The most valid tell is a bona fide slip, when someone clearly demonstrates knowledge not known to the players at large, or when they have been caught in a baldfaced lie.
All tells have to be taken in context, and any of them can be invalidated if a person provides good reasoning. The least valid "tell" in my opinion is the OMGUS, but I don't even consider that to be a tell (laziness would be the tell, in most cases), and the term has shifted from "voting someone purely because they voted you" to "voting someone who voted for you first", which is perfectly normal.
Leafsnail: What was the purpose of this question?
Ford: Vector for a straighteness guarantee. Actually no, wait, fuck Vector, she's a whiny lynchhappy bitch. I'm going to bend the question a little by treating 'this game' as 'Mafia subforum in general' and answer Flandre. Yep, that's my final answer.*checks profile* Oh wow. You're only 17. For some reason I thought you were a lot older than that. Probably because I keep imagining you as a grumpy dwarf.
Ranger: Give me an example of a time when you've "jumped the gun".
EDIT:I wondered about that. I read the whole thing and then was like, "wait, why are we voting people? Nothing has happened yet."
I also forgot to add to the end of the Day 1 start lore as to why everybody is voting to kick people out again. Basically there's been reports of bullying again and a somewhat milder version (as of yet) version of the past 31 years ago incident is happening.
Ford needs to explain himself as he seems to be waiting on time more than hunting scummies.Do not expect too much from me when I am up three hours past my bedtime.
"Who do you believe would be our biggest threat if they were a bully Ford-san?"Leafsnail.
Toaster: Thanks for the guide, but for some reason the image doesn't shrink and I can't scroll it.
Note:
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 03:43:19 pm
(I just plain can't figure out a way to explain this in-character, but to put it simply, her timezone backs up her claim. All I saw was harassment.)"Jerk, that wasn't even an attempt at looking for bullies, that's just being mean. Stop it."
I can't tell if this was an RP thing or not, but I'm going to assume it's not.
Why are you defending Tiruin?
Post by: Toaster on May 31, 2013, 03:49:26 pm
Toaster: Thanks for the guide, but for some reason the image doesn't shrink and I can't scroll it.
Assuming Firefox, right click image, hold ctrl, hit view image. Chrome, right click, open image in new tab. Other browser... get a real browser.
Post by: Solifuge on May 31, 2013, 03:53:00 pm
Solifuge-chan: What's your take on the current situation of people addressing others? Would you treat a newbie in the same way as you'd treat anyone else--especially when they commit a mistake?
(http://i.imgur.com/5Hh1VJX.jpg)
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 03:55:07 pm
"Okay Soli-san, I will call you that."
(Ford: ...*Points at latest BM, claimed Cop day 1*)
Post by: Captain Ford on May 31, 2013, 04:00:29 pm
Ranger: I don't see that as jumping the gun. Claiming when you were in danger of being lynched was the smart thing to do.
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 04:03:44 pm
Ranger: I don't see that as jumping the gun. Claiming when you were in danger of being lynched was the smart thing to do.(Theres a whole thread there who disagrees with that statement, but i'm glad someone understands why i did that.)
Post by: ToonyMan on May 31, 2013, 05:41:02 pm
Toony/Mod: Do the silhouettes mean anything?They'll be used to vaguely show what players witness.
Vote Count:
Vecooster - Toaster
Griffionday -
Leafsnail -
Captain Ford -
Toaster -
Tiruin -
Dariush - Notquitethere
Zombie Urist -
Phantom of the Library -
Shinigami_King -
RangerCado - Vecooster, Deathsword, Shinigami_King
Deathsword -
Notquitethere -
Lenglon - Zombie Urist
Solifuge - Dariush
Nerjin -
Not Voting: Griffonday, Leafsnail, Captain Ford, Tiruin, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Nerjin
Day 1 will last until Tuesday, 6/4 at 11 PM EST.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 31, 2013, 05:42:34 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Good, so you are interested.
Because if you're playing with any sort of interest instead of a sense of obligation then you're probably scum.Spoiler: Jim Groovester / Vector (click to show/hide)
I didn't hear a denial of you being scum in there. Saying that you're enjoying yourself and that it's good practice isn't exactly a contradiction.
(I just plain can't figure out a way to explain this in-character, but to put it simply, her timezone backs up her claim. All I saw was harassment.)
I don't care about in character stuff because I am grumpy and hate people having fun in my mafia game.
What was your out of character reason for defending Tiruin? I'm not just going to ignore something because you wrap it in purple text.
So why aren't you voting him over it?
Because I wanted to see his reaction, meta is a shitty reason to vote for someone, and I'm not confident enough in my evaluation of his meta to say for certain it makes him scum.
Vecooster
BaCAW.
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 05:53:34 pm
(you didn't read what you quoted?)(I just plain can't figure out a way to explain this in-character, but to put it simply, her timezone backs up her claim. All I saw was harassment.)
I don't care about in character stuff because I am grumpy and hate people having fun in my mafia game.
What was your out of character reason for defending Tiruin? I'm not just going to ignore something because you wrap it in purple text.
Post by: Leafsnail on May 31, 2013, 06:16:16 pm
Leaf: No. When I say inconsistency, I meant in the sense of someone not sticking to their story. Either explaining an action different ways when asked again, or their actions (voting/night claims) not matching up to their arguments and discussions.Makes sense.
Hypocrisy means attacking someone over doing something that the attacker is doing as well.
"Um, the most valid I think would be a direct confession of guilt, right? After that I'd guess lying, although it's sometimes a good idea to lie for a short time to trick bullies or whatever so long as you own up to it right afterwards. right?"I guess. And which tell do find least valid?
#[NQT] stares down at a book while saying to no one in particular, "Bullies like to fit in: the only truly valid tell is a smoking gun. That said, looking at the past votes of bullies who have been expelled may prove enlightening. I don't think we should put too much stock in the things people say on their first day back at school, but what they actually do has meaning."Seems consistent with your attitude in other games.
Can you not at least name one specific bad tell?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Most valid: bandwagoning, Least valid: lurking?Cool
Most? Probably inconsistency like Toaster said, but there's really no single tell that stands out that stands out and says: "They're scum" immediately. Least would be bandwagoning, as the current meta stands.Makes sense.
"When people are too assertive that they lack any sort of lead or that they seem to wish to undermine the other on loose facts as well as appealing to the general notion. The latter differs, but you can..err, feel the difference. I dunno how to explain that contextually, but I'm not seeing that much right now."I accept your least valid tell, but I don't think attempts to undermine others is a very good one. Aggressive, sometimes to the point of invalid attacks are something I expect more from town if anything (assuming the mafia isn't really desperate for a lynch).
Ford needs to explain himself as he seems to be waiting on time more than hunting scummies.
"As for least valid, that'd be voting another person out because of the heck of it..of which I'm seeing many people do, for some reason. Now I'm guessing it'd either be the tension or that people are loving the situation we're in. That's dumb, because we still have scummies here and taking advantage of this carefreeness is one thing I'm watching out for.-
"Oh right, least valid. Err, that. It mostly depends on the context for me.."
Avoiding calling a player scum despite voting with intent to lynch.Good answers.
OMGUS.
The most valid tell is a bona fide slip, when someone clearly demonstrates knowledge not known to the players at large, or when they have been caught in a baldfaced lie.Fair enough.
All tells have to be taken in context, and any of them can be invalidated if a person provides good reasoning. The least valid "tell" in my opinion is the OMGUS, but I don't even consider that to be a tell (laziness would be the tell, in most cases), and the term has shifted from "voting someone purely because they voted you" to "voting someone who voted for you first", which is perfectly normal.
How about you?Favourite tell: commenting on the validity of a case against someone while specifically avoiding talking about the person themselves.
Least favourite: "flailing", ie getting panicked, angry or illogical when driven into a corner. It is basically never a valid tell (there was a statistical analysis that suggested the person who accuses someone of it is usually mafia though).
Leafsnail: What was the purpose of this question?Two purposes:
1. To lock scum out of using tells they regard as invalid later in the game.
2. To improve the standard of scumhunting in this game, by allowing people to see which tells go to the bottom of everybody's list. Also if someone lists something stupid at the top of the list I can tell them they are wrong.
Ranger: I don't see that as jumping the gun. Claiming when you were in danger of being lynched was the smart thing to do.That's an ongoing game, it shouldn't be talked about outside of its thread.
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 07:18:26 pm
I hope you guys are okay if I group my questions because I have little time and there are a lot of us.
Vecooster, Grifionday, leafsnail and ford.- What in your opinion is the most valuable information received from RVS.
Toaster, Tiruin, Daruish and Zombie Urist- How do you think the roleplaying is going to affect this game? Do you expect people to use it as cover.
PotL, Ranger, DeathSword and NTQ- Who here do you know from meta game? Could you try to describe their play style.
Lenglon, Solifuge and nerjin- Do you use any unique scumhunting techniques? Would you care to say what techniques you use?
Senpai, senpai!
You're so pretty~~~ Can I touch your hair?
You like my hair?
YEAH! Didn't you hear I like redheads~
And then Shinigami_King and Mitsuru Kirijo walked off into the sunset!
Post by: RangerCado on May 31, 2013, 08:05:02 pm
"Shinigami-san, I do not know enough about everyones methods to answer that."
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 08:13:17 pm
"Uh, that's a lot harder. I'm not sure what all the things people would call tells are. I mean, if we're going off that handout the school gave everyone,""Um, the most valid I think would be a direct confession of guilt, right? After that I'd guess lying, although it's sometimes a good idea to lie for a short time to trick bullies or whatever so long as you own up to it right afterwards. right?"I guess. And which tell do find least valid?
Spoiler: A List of Common Scumtells (click to show/hide)
Lenglon, Solifuge and nerjin- Do you use any unique scumhunting techniques? Would you care to say what techniques you use?"I tend to use fairly open and normal tactics most of the time. the only time I'd use something unique would be when we're nearing the endgame, or if I have information that isn't public, and even then it would have to be customized to the situation."
Post by: notquitethere on May 31, 2013, 08:25:19 pm
NTQ- Who here do you know from meta game? Could you try to describe their play style."Shinigami Heika, is it true you are a King? If so, I will forgive you for getting my student identifier number wrong. You do not know me yet but I have been at this school for a term or so. Perhaps I might be so bold as to introduce you to some of the other students? They mostly ignore me but I have observed them a little.
Broadly speaking, we have the moody students that hide their true feelings behind tsunderous clamour. These are Dariush-yōgisha and sometimes even Vector-sama!
Then there are nice and friendly students (but you never know what they might secretly be thinking), like Grifionday-san, Tiruin-sama, and Solifuge-chan.
Then there's the smart students that sometimes snap and storm out of class, like Ford-san and Nerjin-san (they take their grades very seriously though!).
Then there are quiet students like Zombie Urist-san who pretend to be the strong silent type when they don't have anything better to say (or is that Toaster-san I'm thinking of? To be honest, I get the two confused after the failed Revolution).
Then there's super enthusiastic new students like Ranger-kun, and students I don't know very well like Phantom-san and ones I don't know at all like Lenglon-kun.
And as for me? Leafsnail-san (who is always guilty) has the truth of it. I look more at deeds than words."
I don't think we should put too much stock in the things people say on their first day back at school, but what they actually do has meaning."Seems consistent with your attitude in other games.
"NQT-san, how likely do you think it is that we will find a bully today?""Unfortunately, I don't think it very likely Ranger-kun. The odds are against it even before we take into account the bullies rigging the votes. I think though that we have the heart to succeed!"
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 31, 2013, 08:34:06 pm
(you didn't read what you quoted?)
Okay, so your problem is that I was being a jerk to Tiruin by bugging him about his nightmares.
Uh, why? Tiruin isn't a newcomer, he can handle me poking and prodding him about whatever he brings up.
Wow so few questions directed at me. I was worried that I was going to get swarmed with this many people.
Is this something you're happy about?
Vecooster, Grifionday, leafsnail and ford.- What in your opinion is the most valuable information received from RVS.
Ha! This guy.
There's no valuable information in the RVS. This is almost definitional; if somebody slips up and gets crap for it, then that's the moment the RVS ends.
Whatever causes the RVS to end is the most valuable thing that comes from it.
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 10:05:43 pm
"Because being a jerk is being a jerk. it's not that complicated. It would be different if you had a chance of finding something out, but that was just being mean for the sake of being mean. don't do that."(you didn't read what you quoted?)
Okay, so your problem is that I was being a jerk to Tiruin by bugging him about his nightmares.
Uh, why? Tiruin isn't a newcomer, he can handle me poking and prodding him about whatever he brings up.
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 10:26:30 pm
Post by: Griffionday on May 31, 2013, 10:44:24 pm
So, are you just going to spend all day introducing yourself to people and hope they get nosebleeds from the encounter, or are you going to start looking for bullies?
"Bullies? What bullies?"
*15 minutes being filled in later*
"So the bullies have anti-gravity devices?"
*15 more*
"Wait, wait, wait... If they never caused any more trouble how do we know there were three of them? And how do we know that their three kids are the trouble makers? I mean the original three must have loved someone at some point to have kids right?"
"Such an unusual solution to such a horrible problem. As for my intentions: I've only just met most of you and am still working on building my baseline reads."
"Griffy-san, who would you least like to have confirmed as a non-bully? How about most want?""Least like to have confirmed... such an odd question. Anyone who would use the validation as a excuse for not helping our fight for finding the bullies I guess. As for most like to have confirmed? I'd probably like to have Zombie-chan confirmed so I don't wish to lynch him just because I hate his play style."
"Ranger you never addressed my question about how you plan to spend your first day... Obviously hunting for bullies now that we know of them, but how do you intend to do that?"
That is so adorable. I could put you in a cage and pet you all day long.I raise an eyebrow
How would that make you feel? Loved and appreciated?
"Appreciation typically comes with respect, so no I wouldn't feel appriciated. I hardly consider a desire to keep someone as a pet love, Ford-chan."
Captain Ford starts complementing himselfThis comes off to me as you putting a subtle power-influence on Ford~
What's up with the blank?
"Tiruin-san what do you mean by what is up with the blank? I was commenting on the fact that Ford felt the need to include himself in his list of questions which is a wonderfully silly thing to do"
"So why do you want Ford kicked out?! I don't get what you're saying. That's not cool, bro.""Sorry... I'll try to be more clear in the future..."
(http://i.imgur.com/5Sw0hcT.jpg)
"Hmm... an excellent question Solifuge-san. I think I would find it extremely difficult to fake scum hunting, as I'd not actually be looking for scum, but rather scummyness."
"As for your other question: I feel it depends on the person really, you seem to be very agreeable but I wouldn't fault you for it, however if Dariush-chan decided to be overly agreeable I would consider it to be a case of refuge in audacity."
Good morning, everyone!
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
"Leafsnail-san, sorry I'm late with my answer: The most valid way of identifying bullies? I'm still new here so I'm working it out by practice. I've been working on a requested_work to work_put_in ratio that I feel is hopeful though. The basic theory is that people will fake scum hunting by being overly pressy. This means that they'll typically force people to put in more effort than they are putting in."
"The least valid? Them putting pressure on you to see if you're a bully. After all, isn't calling people out on that omgusing?"
Vecooster, Grifionday, leafsnail and ford.- What in your opinion is the most valuable information received from RVS.
"How much I'm going to enjoy the game of course. As town most of the fun comes from interacting with other people, (Yes FUN Vector, not obligation) so RVS let's me know who it will be a pleasure to play with, and who I will spend the entire game banging my head against."
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 10:54:27 pm
"Oh, and, um... oh, I know! Daylight! Why's our local glowball getting so worked up bout Ford being all nosey anyways?""Hey, Shiny! you missed one!
Post by: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 11:05:40 pm
Quote
(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 11:26:46 pm
"...Soli-san's cat is still very nice."
Shinigami
Toaster, Tiruin, Daruish and Zombie Urist- How do you think the roleplaying is going to affect this game? Do you expect people to use it as cover.BAHAHAH, cover. No. That'd be a pretty cheap way, and muchly obvious for people who watch the English language very, very closely.
When I roleplay, its mostly in italics. I may forget at times, but my IC voice is pretty much my voice.
"Cover is only for those who perceive things as it is said to be, and only for those who don't rely on better discernment. Sure, it may be used as cover, and it may not--what depends is on the context of what the person is acting upon. It may be used as a scumhunting tool, as well as a slip-up catch. Its basically down to how you know how to communicate, and for me there's no problem in roleplaying.
"I mean, nobody's blaming ToonyMan for the construction of this really nice setting. Look at all the time he made in making this school!"
Griffy. . .Quote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
"Pretty paranoid there, huh. Where is befriending seen there, my fellow yokai lover?"
Jim- Yes I am happy. I like answering questions I just don't like being swarmed as I'm sure anyone would agree. Also, I feel like other things can be learned from RVS but your point is valid."You seem to be averse to answering questions in multiple forms. Why is that?"
"I believe he likes being called Griffy instead. Griffy-san, if possible, because it's confusing calling him Day." :P"Oh, and, um... oh, I know! Daylight! Why's our local glowball getting so worked up bout Ford being all nosey anyways?""Hey, Shiny! you missed one!
Also, for those who may question my stance on Lenglon? Pretty neutral but leaning town-ish..can't see much in her posts but curiosity. Vague scumhunting at least, but none which pings my scummeter.
"Say, what's your take on those assertive players? Vector's alterego, Dariush, and probably Leafsnail, Lenglon-san? Come to think of it, what if you were a bully--would there be any difference in your playstyle from..not being a bully?"
Post by: Tiruin on May 31, 2013, 11:37:50 pm
"But that's normal of the guy, he usually does that. And you want to kick him out on it? How does that mark him as a meanie bully-boy?Captain Ford starts complementing himselfThis comes off to me as you putting a subtle power-influence on Ford~
What's up with the blank?
"Tiruin-san what do you mean by what is up with the blank? I was commenting on the fact that Ford felt the need to include himself in his list of questions which is a wonderfully silly thing to do"
"I mean, he's asking himself why he's handsome, and all that...n-not that I think he's handsome. I mean, everyone's handsome in some way."
Post by: Nerjin on May 31, 2013, 11:43:32 pm
Nerjin: Would you describe yourself as a bit of a cold fish?
"Well Ford ol' bean I simply find I don't cater towards fish as well as some may expect. Indeed it is amongst my least loved foods. If you're referring to my personality than I find myself a bit of a damper in social situations."
[AKA: What?]
Nerjin: Are you called revolver because you feel the need to revolve around a relationship rather than committing?
"They call me revolver due to the fact that I am nearly obsessed with that particular type of fire-arm. Specifically single action revolvers. My personal favorite is the Single-Action Army which I get... rather excited about even touching. My need to revolve around relationships rather than committing is because when I was younger the woman I was in love with broke my heart in a rather brutal fashion. From that day forward I've had trust issues and relationship worries... But yeah your idea's okay too."
"Nerjin-san, if you were a bully, who would you get rid of first?"[/color]
"Well... as much as I love him, in his own special way, I feel that Dariush require's some time off. He takes long school days of no progress really hard. Plus he looks a little unwell. I hope he feels better soon."
"Nerjin, I'd also like to know what that temper tantrum was about. I mean, Ford's a creep, but that's no reason to quit coming to class."“I regret to inform everyone that myself and Ford had a misunderstanding entirely on my part. He was mimicking other players who are a little more… aggressive in their moods. Coming from Ford however I figured he was simply being disrespectful. He has since cleared that up hence my rejoining of the game.”
“I’d like to apologize for the delay of actual work right now but a friend is over and I have business tomorrow. Hopefully Sunday sees me more capable of playing. For now though I’m curious about you, Zombie Urist, you haven’t spoken much and from what I remember of you when we played the Viva Revolucion! board game the other day you don’t speak much as scum. Do you always remain so quiet?”
Post by: Lenglon on May 31, 2013, 11:49:34 pm
"Say, what's your take on those assertive players? Vector's alterego, Dariush, and probably Leafsnail, Lenglon-san? Come to think of it, what if you were a bully--would there be any difference in your playstyle from..not being a bully?""Assertiveness is usually a good thing. Those bullies are cowards at heart, and aren't going to go out of their way to advertize who they are. We're going to need people with assertive attitudes to force them out of hiding. I just don't want people to think that this gives them a free reign to become bullies themselves in the course of their hunt. Assertive is fine, hurtful is not."
"As for if I were one of the bullies? Well, I'd try to make sure there wasn't any difference. After all, if being a bully changed what I'd do, then that would give away that I was a bully. All the bullies can do right now is hide."
"I mean, he's asking himself why he's handsome, and all that...n-not that I think he's handsome. I mean, everyone's handsome in some way.""OOooooohhhh, Tiruin liiiiiiiiiiiiikes Ford. Are you saying you'd like it if he put you in a cage tonight?" (aka, used a jailkeeper's night action on you?)
Post by: RangerCado on June 01, 2013, 12:11:13 am
"Tiruin-san, I forgot to answer your query about People with their own agenda(third parties). It seems a likely scenario given the amount of people we have as suspects, so its not that out there.(Maybe theres another Tom Cruise Cult) Mostly, I was just trying to cover all the bases."
"NQT-san, you mention something odd here:
What brought this on?" (This makes it seem like your claiming to have a love ability... again.)"NQT-san, how likely do you think it is that we will find a bully today?""Unfortunately, I don't think it very likely Ranger-kun. The odds are against it even before we take into account the bullies rigging the votes. I think though that we have the heart to succeed!"
"I intend to ask, listen, and answer all the questions that are given to me Griffy-san. This is already showing some oddities such as our seemingly unemotional NQT's Heart comment."
"I did not know that Daruish-san was under the weather Nerjin-san. Or are you hinting at something?"
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 12:18:58 am
Quote
Tiruin- Isn't a major point of mafia to be paranoid. If you aren't you wont see people as scum then everyone just becomes your school buddy. In the latest BM that I just left due to time restraints, it seemed like everyone was buddying. I plan to keep an eye out for it from this point forward.QuoteQuote from: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 11:05:40 pm. . .
GriffyQuoteQuoteYou know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)
"Pretty paranoid there, huh. Where is befriending seen there, my fellow yokai lover?"
Quote
"You seem to be averse to answering questions in multiple forms. Why is that?"What do you mean by this? How have I been averse to answering multiple forms of questions?
Post by: zombie urist on June 01, 2013, 12:25:44 am
"If you had the... ability, for a lack of a better word, to kill everyone who visited your house but could also stop anyone from visiting each night, when would it be appropriate to kill all your visitors, Zombie-san?"When all the visitors are scum. What's the point of this question?
PPEThere's a lot more in-char text which is near useless to get reads with. Newbies are more likely to exhibit specific tells such as the OMGUS and reading too much into NKs....Its a bloody picture (without the blood). How is that noise? It just simulates the flow of a conversation, is all. Pretty easy to read over unless you're that paranoid of every word.More noise to sift through."Yeah..how?"I think its going to make it harder and take more time.Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteIts not right now, but in general I've found that scum like to bandwagon on a person with minimal additional reasons or flawed reasons.Yeah, scum also like to 'bandwagon' for good reasons. Remember people utilizing other's mistakes and riding on them? Something to look out for.
Also, what's your take on newbies and the game--if they slip up, how will you differentiate town from scum there?
You're answering a completely different question. Which ones are most/least valid, not favorite.How about you?Favourite tell: commenting on the validity of a case against someone while specifically avoiding talking about the person themselves.
Least favourite: "flailing", ie getting panicked, angry or illogical when driven into a corner. It is basically never a valid tell (there was a statistical analysis that suggested the person who accuses someone of it is usually mafia though).
Toaster, Tiruin, Daruish and Zombie Urist- How do you think the roleplaying is going to affect this game? Do you expect people to use it as cover.I said earlier its gonna make things more annoying. Cover? Possibly. It'll have to be considered. Why are you asking multiple people the same question?
“I’d like to apologize for the delay of actual work right now but a friend is over and I have business tomorrow. Hopefully Sunday sees me more capable of playing. For now though I’m curious about you, Zombie Urist, you haven’t spoken much and from what I remember of you when we played the Viva Revolucion! board game the other day you don’t speak much as scum. Do you always remain so quiet?”Yes. This gets brought up basically every game.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 12:30:46 am
Quote
I said earlier its gonna make things more annoying. Cover? Possibly. It'll have to be considered. Why are you asking multiple people the same question?Because there is a lot of us playing and I don't think I would be able to come up with creative questions for each of us. I though I already stated my reason -___- Also, I'm lazy~
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2013, 01:29:29 am
What's your plan in finding scum, Shinigami?
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2013, 01:42:50 am
"I mean, he's asking himself why he's handsome, and all that...n-not that I think he's handsome. I mean, everyone's handsome in some way.""OOooooohhhh, Tiruin liiiiiiiiiiiiikes Ford. Are you saying you'd like it if he put you in a cage tonight?" (aka, used a jailkeeper's night action on you?)
"He's an acquaintance! :I Also...err, what? I didn't say anything like that, but..ehh, sure? I guess? Is it a nice cage? But I don't like being caged..but this cage is protective? Unsure, I'd like others to be protected as bullies are really mean, but..sure.
"It'd be nice to see more variants than the usual." Like Jailkeepers, never saw them in any game before. "Why do you ask?"
Post by: notquitethere on June 01, 2013, 06:56:43 am
What brought this on?" (This makes it seem like your claiming to have a love ability... again.)..."This is already showing some oddities such as our seemingly unemotional NQT's Heart comment."#[NQT] looks momentarily downcast by Ranger's callous remark but after a deep breath carries on in a calm and measured voice.
"I know about emotions Ranger-kun, I can list at least seven. Just because I'm logical doesn't mean I don't have a heart. But if I wanted to claim something I would just claim it."
Shinigami Heika
"You do know asking a lot of questions, pretending to be interested in people and then not following up on their replies is a classic bully sign?"
Post by: notquitethere on June 01, 2013, 07:17:34 am
Nerjin, just go for that team. We'll only know it was a good one if it succeeds. (Besides, spraypainting isn't that hard, and your team has the smarts, the muscle and the heart to win!)
Post by: Solifuge on June 01, 2013, 08:15:20 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Good, so you are interested.
Because if you're playing with any sort of interest instead of a sense of obligation then you're probably scum.Spoiler: Jim Groovester / Vector (click to show/hide)
I didn't hear a denial of you being scum in there. Saying that you're enjoying yourself and that it's good practice isn't exactly a contradiction.
(http://i.imgur.com/ODuVEiJ.jpg)
Lenglon, Solifuge and nerjin- Do you use any unique scumhunting techniques? Would you care to say what techniques you use?
(http://i.imgur.com/55CvjIB.jpg)
Can you not at least name one specific bad tell?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/Nkbg7oY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/x0SBEMf.jpg)
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?
"Leafsnail-san, sorry I'm late with my answer: The most valid way of identifying bullies? I'm still new here so I'm working it out by practice. I've been working on a requested_work to work_put_in ratio that I feel is hopeful though. The basic theory is that people will fake scum hunting by being overly pressy. This means that they'll typically force people to put in more effort than they are putting in."
(http://i.imgur.com/dPnH72i.jpg)
Post by: Lenglon on June 01, 2013, 08:46:03 am
"It'd be nice to see more variants than the usual." Like Jailkeepers, never saw them in any game before. "Why do you ask?"
That is so adorable. I could put you in a cage and pet you all day long."Mostly because his cage seems like his defining characteristic, at least so far, and to me. I figured if I was going to poke you about the handsome comment I might as well poke you about wanting to be in his cage too."
How would that make you feel? Loved and appreciated?
Post by: Captain Ford on June 01, 2013, 12:23:53 pm
Vecooster, Grifionday, leafsnail and ford.- What in your opinion is the most valuable information received from RVS."RVS provides a pretty good baseline for a person's behavior later in the game. Laziness, bandwagoning, chainsawing and other things can also pop up. Most of the scum I've identified successfully I've identified from their behavior during RVS and immediately after."
"I see. Well, I guess that kind of thing takes time."That is so adorable. I could put you in a cage and pet you all day long.I raise an eyebrow
How would that make you feel? Loved and appreciated?
"Appreciation typically comes with respect, so no I wouldn't feel appriciated. I hardly consider a desire to keep someone as a pet love, Ford-chan."
"Well no, that isn't omgussing. An OMGUS vote is one cast purely to retaliate at someone who voted you. The "you suck" part is kind of important."To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?"Leafsnail-san, sorry I'm late with my answer: The most valid way of identifying bullies? I'm still new here so I'm working it out by practice. I've been working on a requested_work to work_put_in ratio that I feel is hopeful though. The basic theory is that people will fake scum hunting by being overly pressy. This means that they'll typically force people to put in more effort than they are putting in."
"The least valid? Them putting pressure on you to see if you're a bully. After all, isn't calling people out on that omgusing?"
"Why are you apologizing to Leafsnail?"
*shrugs* "I don't actually know what the phrase means either." *pulls out his phone and starts tapping buttons* "So, let's check the dictionary."Nerjin: Would you describe yourself as a bit of a cold fish?
"Well Ford ol' bean I simply find I don't cater towards fish as well as some may expect. Indeed it is amongst my least loved foods. If you're referring to my personality than I find myself a bit of a damper in social situations."
[AKA: What?]
Quote from: Dictionary.com
Cold Fish n. Informal
An aloof person.
*looks up at Nerjin* ... "well, are you?"
"Creepiness aside, I do find Tiruin's shyness to be very cute.""I mean, he's asking himself why he's handsome, and all that...n-not that I think he's handsome. I mean, everyone's handsome in some way.""OOooooohhhh, Tiruin liiiiiiiiiiiiikes Ford. Are you saying you'd like it if he put you in a cage tonight?" (aka, used a jailkeeper's night action on you?)
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 12:37:44 pm
Quote
Shinigami HeikaI haven't been asking that many questions really compared to others so I don't know where you are going with that. I am interested in peoples opinions, I can't really prove that to you unless I try to completely change my play style though. As for not following up on replies, well I feel if I ask a question and they answer with no questionable content there is no reason to just say "Hey ford, I completely agree with your answer to my question! Good job!" That would be dumb and a waist of time and a post. That would be buddying with everyone which I don't like anyway.
"You do know asking a lot of questions, pretending to be interested in people and then not following up on their replies is a classic bully sign?"
Quote
Why're you lazy? Lazy to scumhunt, or formulate original questions? Lazy to communicate?I'm just lazy, lazy in life that is. So putting a tonne of effort into something and blindly rushing into the fray isn't really my style. In the latest BM I got aggressive fast because of Vector's techniques but I have gotten used to the different scumhunting methods used. My plan for finding scum will simply be looking for flaws in gameplay. The things that I pay attention to the most are either answers to my questions or attacks towards me so I tend to "OMGUS". It's not real OMGUSing because I see flaws in a persons gameplay, (meaning I'm not just going to go and say, "hey you vote me so I'll vote you") but I only see those flaws because they drew my attention in the first place.
What's your plan in finding scum, Shinigami?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 01, 2013, 02:36:37 pm
Jim- Yes I am happy. I like answering questions I just don't like being swarmed as I'm sure anyone would agree. Also, I feel like other things can be learned from RVS but your point is valid.
So just enough questions that you get to show how town you are, but not so many that you crack under pressure, I see.
Sounds like you have something to hide.
Because there is a lot of us playing and I don't think I would be able to come up with creative questions for each of us. I though I already stated my reason -___- Also, I'm lazy~
Creative questions are not the goal of the RVS. Asking everyone a question is also not the goal of the RVS.
What were your goals asking those questions?
GriffyQuote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
Why not?
I'm just lazy, lazy in life that is. So putting a tonne of effort into something and blindly rushing into the fray isn't really my style.
Combined with your other answers, this makes it seem like you're just putting in the minimal amount of effort to avoid outing yourself as scum.
Shinigami_King-kun-san-chan.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 03:16:46 pm
Quote
I don't like vectors playstyle because she is very aggressive. I talked about my views probably too much in the BM that I just left. If you want you can go check it out but to summarize; I don't like overwhelming pressure whether it is on me or someone else. I just can't think straight and because of this I defended Lenglon because I felt there was unfair pressure. If I had my way, in a perfect world, the way we would find the scum (or in this case bullies) is just keep things organised like a debate and because everyone would behave normally the ones who stuck out would be the scum. That is a "perfect scumhunt" however so we aren't ever going to get that for mafia due to human interaction. Hope that answered your question.QuoteQuote from: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 11:05:40 pm
Griffy
QuoteQuote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
Why not?
Quote
What were your goals asking those questions?Hopefully, by asking these questions, even though they aren't the most creative things ever I will be able to learn about the players here. II don't know the majority of people playing in this game so the more I learn, the better.
Quote
So just enough questions that you get to show how town you are, but not so many that you crack under pressure, I see.Hopefully you understand what I meant when I addressed pressure earlier on. Also, when I say I'm lazy I kind of mean that I don't like reading large walls of text (thankfully, this hasn't happened much so far.). It just overwhelms me and I go brain dead. I like simple things, so having a bunch of questions from multiple people is about equivalent to a wall of text for me as well. I also tend to miss questions if there a tonne of them flying around so I like to be abl to answer every question asked.
Sounds like you have something to hide.
Go ahead Jim, ask away.
I will ask some questions of my own after I read some more.
Post by: Lenglon on June 01, 2013, 03:50:35 pm
People are having fun and I hate it."Daaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww"
Lenglon pokes her tongue out at Jim-chan
-snip-"You've said pretty clearly what you don't like in a scumhunt Shinigami-kun, could you tell us what you do like in a scumhunt, and how that could realistically work to find scum? you're currently asking for people to not use a whole lot of their scumhunting tools. what would you suggest that they be replaced with?"
Post by: Captain Ford on June 01, 2013, 07:36:43 pm
Leafsnail
"Really? So what if someone changes their mind during the course of the game and realizes there's truth to a tell after all? Sounds more like you're trying to manufacture ammunition for later."Leafsnail: What was the purpose of this question?Two purposes:
1. To lock scum out of using tells they regard as invalid later in the game.
2. To improve the standard of scumhunting in this game, by allowing people to see which tells go to the bottom of everybody's list. Also if someone lists something stupid at the top of the list I can tell them they are wrong."What do you gain out of telling people they are stupid? And how does it help to find scum?"
Post by: Leafsnail on June 01, 2013, 08:43:50 pm
"Really? So what if someone changes their mind during the course of the game and realizes there's truth to a tell after all? Sounds more like you're trying to manufacture ammunition for later."This is literally the stupidest attack I have ever seen. If someone decides that some stupid shit like OMGUS is actually a tell when they need it to be one (even though they previously correctly said it was completely worthless) then great, they are scum and can be lynched.
"What do you gain out of telling people they are stupid? And how does it help to find scum?"It helps to find scum because people aren't using godawful non-tells to help get townies lynched.
Post by: Teneb on June 01, 2013, 08:46:35 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2013, 09:00:44 pm
People are having fun and I hate it."AHA, so you're the grumpy one!"
Shinigami
"Hmm, ok. Disregard OMGUS'ing. How will you differentiate a mistake from a mistake? Secondly, lazy does not correlate to blindly rushing into the fray. While you don't necessarily need plans in weeding out other people, you should know what and when to act. Is when a person wants you out of this school, a bad thing that you consider flawed: restating, when you get voted--do you consider that a flaw on the voter's part? Why?QuoteWhy're you lazy? Lazy to scumhunt, or formulate original questions? Lazy to communicate?I'm just lazy, lazy in life that is. So putting a tonne of effort into something and blindly rushing into the fray isn't really my style. In the latest BM I got aggressive fast because of Vector's techniques but I have gotten used to the different scumhunting methods used. My plan for finding scum will simply be looking for flaws in gameplay. The things that I pay attention to the most are either answers to my questions or attacks towards me so I tend to "OMGUS". It's not real OMGUSing because I see flaws in a persons gameplay, (meaning I'm not just going to go and say, "hey you vote me so I'll vote you") but I only see those flaws because they drew my attention in the first place.
What's your plan in finding scum, Shinigami?
"Tell me, how will you approach flaws if a townie makes a mistake?"
"...You're talking to Vector-well, her alterego in this current day. He's aggressive, snarky and still lovable that way. But wat.QuoteI don't like vectors playstyle because she is very aggressive.QuoteQuote from: Shinigami_King on May 31, 2013, 11:05:40 pm
Griffy
QuoteQuote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
Why not?
You don't like Vector's playstyle because she's aggressive...err. What. Expound please? How is befriending a matter there?"
Ford
"I experimented a bit today and I found this color quite to my liking. I think it goes well with my complexion. Opinions?" *poses, showing off her new outfit*...You've an anthropomorphic lizard avatar instead of a sandwich lizard. I approve, because the art is well done :P
"I don't see a set-up being made there..people's opinions differ and no tell is set in stone (just regarded by the general masses as a tell)..but ammunition? How?""Really? So what if someone changes their mind during the course of the game and realizes there's truth to a tell after all? Sounds more like you're trying to manufacture ammunition for later."Leafsnail: What was the purpose of this question?Two purposes:
1. To lock scum out of using tells they regard as invalid later in the game.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 01, 2013, 09:17:49 pm
Vote Count:
Vecooster - Toaster
Griffionday -
Leafsnail -
Captain Ford -
Toaster -
Tiruin -
Dariush -
Zombie Urist - Nerjin
Phantom of the Library -
Shinigami_King - Tiruin, Notquitethere, Vecooster
RangerCado - Deathsword
Deathsword -
Notquitethere -
Lenglon - Zombie Urist, Leafsnail
Solifuge - Dariush
Nerjin -
Not Voting: Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King
Day 1 will last until Tuesday, 6/4 at 11 PM EST.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 09:54:25 pm
Quote
"You've said pretty clearly what you don't like in a scumhunt Shinigami-kun, could you tell us what you do like in a scumhunt, and how that could realistically work to find scum? you're currently asking for people to not use a whole lot of their scumhunting tools. what would you suggest that they be replaced with?"Hmm, that's a tricky question. In the end, what I prefer the most is not what helps the group the most so I would have to say that everyone should do what floats their boat. So long as everyone feels comfortable with their methods then we will end up being an efficient unit.
I personally wish I could dissect the details of peoples play style but I'm just no good at that. (It comes back to the lazy thing ::) ) I tend to look towards the vibes I get from people then I do an overview of their general performance. To this day, in any of may games, I have yet to have a really strong scum hunt so I am still learning.
If someone was to replace their original techniques I think playing from the perspective of a new player would work. With their regular knowledge of how to play mafia, combined with looking at the other players like a beginner, they may be able to see things they normally wouldn't even consider.
Quote
"Hmm, ok. Disregard OMGUS'ing. How will you differentiate a mistake from a mistake? Secondly, lazy does not correlate to blindly rushing into the fray. While you don't necessarily need plans in weeding out other people, you should know what and when to act. Is when a person wants you out of this school, a bad thing that you consider flawed: restating, when you get voted--do you consider that a flaw on the voter's part? Why?I don''t understand the difference from a mistake and a mistake.I'm guessing you mean a towny making a mistake and an actual scumtell. I guess things just add up. If someone makes a bunch of scumtells then they are more likely scum. You can generally tell dumb town mistakes from scumtells anyway, right?
"Tell me, how will you approach flaws if a townie makes a mistake?"
When I said blindly rushing into the fray, I was referring to the RVS period and how nobody knows anything. You don't know who to trust and it's a little uncomfortable :-\.
When someone votes me I feel like we are both making a mistake. I wish that they would read me better but ultimately it's my fault for not behaving in the expected way. This is assuming that they are voting for me because they think I am scum and it's not just a pressure vote.
Unless you have a cop role or your scum, you don't know who is town. So you keep pressuring them to try to get more out of them.
Quote
"...You're talking to Vector-well, her alterego in this current day. He's aggressive, snarky and still lovable that way. But wat.I was referring to how Griffy knew that I didn't like Vector's playstyle so by saying "fun not obligation" directed at Vector make him look both like he is a guy who wants to have fun playing the game and someone who is aiming to be others freind. Like he was trying to not be scumy.
You don't like Vector's playstyle because she's aggressive...err. What. Expound please? How is befriending a matter there?"
Also, my experience with Vector is that she has an irrationally aggressive playstyle that puts unnecessary pressure on people who have done nothing wrong. That is what upset me about her scumhunting style.
Vecooster - What are the top five largest mistakes made in mafia?
Griffionday - Do you consider being friendly a good thing, or a bad thing in a game of mafia?
Leafsnail - What unique things are you afraid of appearing in this quarter bastard game? What in these games make you the least excited?
Captain Ford - (I don't like your colour, sorry. It hurts my eyes and I have to highlight it to read it properly :() Should we expect you to act like you did in the great temple game? Could you explain your reasons for actions in a quick statement? I'm curious as to how you thought it would make you look any more like town.
Toaster - What are your thought on bandwagons? How about OMGUSing and chainsawing? Which of these is the scummiest?
Tiruin - I've never played a game with you but you have had some say or another in the BM's that I have played so far. What are your opinions of my play based off of what you have seen?
Dariush - What in this game are you excited for the most? The opposite of Leafsnail.
Zombie Urist - You seem to be the silent type. Are you going to keep posting at this frequency? If so, how much content do plan to put into your average post?
Phantom of the Library - Where do you see this game going? What style that is. Aggressive, silly, silent etc.
RangerCado - Who do you think is more important to pay attention to? The active or the non-active players? How do you read their comments differently, if you do?
Deathsword - Don't worry just yet. It's only the beginning of the first day and it's the weekend so I don't think anyone has viewed you as a lurker. But I feel your pain about all this reading. Your question i, after reading through all these pages, who has struck you as the most passive-aggressive person here.
Notquitethere - Are you a robot? According to ranger you are. If you are, then how would you devise a table to summarize playstyles? Nothing in depth. Just what king of categories and points would make it on said table.
Lenglon - You said before that I gave you too much credit for scumhunting. Could you elaborate? How so?
Solifuge - Are these pictures normal for you? Are you trying to use them to add a playful atmosphere to your scum hunts? Are you scum trying to make everyone enjoy your pictures and so they don't think as much of you?
Nerjin - If Ford starts acting like he did in great temple what kind of response will he receive? What if someone other than him behaves in the manor?
I would like to ask everyone how many games have you played? How often were you successful as playing town? Scum? For those who have played a lot, just a estimate is fine of course.
I have played the last half of a game and lost as town and the first half a game, it has not finished yet but I have received a replacement.
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 10:11:51 pm
Quote from: Dictionary.comCold Fish n. Informal
An aloof person.
*looks up at Nerjin* ... "well, are you?" [NN: Referring to if I'm aloof]
"Yeah I'm pretty aloof but... Well check my earlier story as to the reason for that."
People are having fun and I hate it.
"Oh gods... What have I done!? I'm sorry! FORGIVE ME!!! FORGIVE MEEEEEEEE!!!"
Nerjin cries atop a mountain of sorrow and lonliness to attempt to atone for his sins. Deep down he knows he will never be able to.
Jim- Yes I am happy. I like answering questions I just don't like being swarmed as I'm sure anyone would agree. Also, I feel like other things can be learned from RVS but your point is valid.
So just enough questions that you get to show how town you are, but not so many that you crack under pressure, I see.
Sounds like you have something to hide.Because there is a lot of us playing and I don't think I would be able to come up with creative questions for each of us. I though I already stated my reason -___- Also, I'm lazy~
Creative questions are not the goal of the RVS. Asking everyone a question is also not the goal of the RVS.
What were your goals asking those questions?GriffyQuote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
Why not?I'm just lazy, lazy in life that is. So putting a tonne of effort into something and blindly rushing into the fray isn't really my style.
Combined with your other answers, this makes it seem like you're just putting in the minimal amount of effort to avoid outing yourself as scum.
Shinigami_King-kun-san-chan.
"Huh... You make a pretty good point. I think I might change my vote after I get through with the rest of my read."
Quote"You've said pretty clearly what you don't like in a scumhunt Shinigami-kun, could you tell us what you do like in a scumhunt, and how that could realistically work to find scum? you're currently asking for people to not use a whole lot of their scumhunting tools. what would you suggest that they be replaced with?"Hmm, that's a tricky question. In the end, what I prefer the most is not what helps the group the most so I would have to say that everyone should do what floats their boat. So long as everyone feels comfortable with their methods then we will end up being an efficient unit.
"While you're a wonderful person please explain this bolded section before I'm forced into more drastic vernacular."
Quote from: Same post as above
Nerjin - If Ford starts acting like he did in great temple what kind of response will he receive? What if someone other than him behaves in the manor?
I would like to ask everyone how many games have you played? How often were you successful as playing town? Scum? For those who have played a lot, just a estimate is fine of course.
I have played the last half of a game and lost as town and the first half a game, it has not finished yet but I have received a replacement.
"Hopefully everyone will react the way I should have as a rational human being. I over-reacted and I plan to make it up to ford somehow in the future. As for how many games... irrelevent. I am relatively new though."
"Sorry Shinigami_King but you're admitted lazy and you've basically admitted that you plan to put the minimal amount of effort into helping the town so... I'll miss you dearly. I thought you were different but... not like this... not like this."
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2013, 10:17:24 pm
Shinigami
Quote
Unless you have a cop role or your scum, you don't know who is town. So you keep pressuring them to try to get more out of them."My point exactly. When people vote others, this is usually to give the notion of suspicion or examination. Do you believe that when people vote you, there's something wrong with it? I didn't quite get how you saw that."
Quote
Tiruin - I've never played a game with you but you have had some say or another in the BM's that I have played so far. What are your opinions of my play based off of what you have seen?"I'm currently seeing you as that inquisitive new guy to the class and I'm looking at your posts very thoroughly, from all angles. You need a bit of refinement, and rational thinking in regard to who does what and which lies where. Scum are scum, and the innocent are innocent. I'm still curious on your stance on votes."
PPE
Nerjin.
O_oPeople are having fun and I hate it.
"Oh gods... What have I done!? I'm sorry! FORGIVE ME!!! FORGIVE MEEEEEEEE!!!"
Nerjin cries atop a mountain of sorrow and lonliness to attempt to atone for his sins. Deep down he knows he will never be able to.
Wat.
Really, what?! You're addressing something which doesn't even have you in it.-snip-
"Huh... You make a pretty good point. I think I might change my vote after I get through with the rest of my read."
"Sorry Shinigami_King but you're admitted lazy and you've basically admitted that you plan to put the minimal amount of effort into helping the town so... I'll miss you dearly. I thought you were different but... not like this... not like this.""Nerjin~ I would like to know how this makes him a mean meanie bully. Does admitting things work into that context? Or is this some kind of pressure, hmm? Sounds more like a declarative and definitive statement to me."
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 10:24:23 pm
Nerjin.O_oPeople are having fun and I hate it.
"Oh gods... What have I done!? I'm sorry! FORGIVE ME!!! FORGIVE MEEEEEEEE!!!"
Nerjin cries atop a mountain of sorrow and lonliness to attempt to atone for his sins. Deep down he knows he will never be able to.
Wat.
*Cries* "Traumatic memories of my childhood..." Stops crying and starts spinning his glasses around mimicking Revolver Ocelot's Revolver "Either that or I enjoy hammy acting to the extreme."
Quote from: Tiruin again
Really, what?! You're addressing something which doesn't even have you in it.-snip-
"Huh... You make a pretty good point. I think I might change my vote after I get through with the rest of my read."
"My apologies, I was saying that Vector Groovester has a good point on Shinigami that I was going to point out after thinking on the issue but Vector beat me to it."
Quote from: Tiruin
"Sorry Shinigami_King but you're admitted lazy and you've basically admitted that you plan to put the minimal amount of effort into helping the town so... I'll miss you dearly. I thought you were different but... not like this... not like this.""Nerjin~ I would like to know how this makes him a mean meanie bully. Does admitting things work into that context? Or is this some kind of pressure, hmm? Sounds more like a declarative and definitive statement to me."
"Well if you're not with us your against us." Flips his glasses into the air and allows them to shatter as they hit the ground "Simply put we have no use for someone who is simply window dressing." Pulls another set of glasses from his pocket "Unless I find someone more scummy than Mr/Mrs I'm-too-lazy I'll keep my vote there."
Post by: Toaster on June 01, 2013, 10:29:24 pm
So why aren't you voting him over it?
Because I wanted to see his reaction, meta is a shitty reason to vote for someone, and I'm not confident enough in my evaluation of his meta to say for certain it makes him scum.
Ah. Seems like crappy pressure without the vote, especially since you were still sitting on a RVS at that point.
Leafsnail:
Leafsnail: What was the purpose of this question?Two purposes:
1. To lock scum out of using tells they regard as invalid later in the game.
2. To improve the standard of scumhunting in this game, by allowing people to see which tells go to the bottom of everybody's list. Also if someone lists something stupid at the top of the list I can tell them they are wrong.
Ahhh. Clever.
Shini:
Toaster, Tiruin, Daruish and Zombie Urist- How do you think the roleplaying is going to affect this game? Do you expect people to use it as cover.
Actual effect? Very little. Some people might try to use it as something of a smoke screen, but I doubt it'll do anyone any good in that sense.
Toaster - What are your thought on bandwagons? How about OMGUSing and chainsawing? Which of these is the scummiest?
A lazy bandwagon is cause for suspicion, though townies can just be lazy. OMGUS is pretty worthless. Chainsawing... sometimes. I've seen- hell, I've even done it myself- townies go hard defense on someone who later turns out to be scum, but scumbuddies can provide cover.
I would like to ask everyone how many games have you played? How often were you successful as playing town? Scum? For those who have played a lot, just a estimate is fine of course.
I have played the last half of a game and lost as town and the first half a game, it has not finished yet but I have received a replacement.
Um. A lot? I don't think 50+ is an unreasonable guess. I used to be better as scum, mostly because it is near impossible to provoke an emotional outburst out of me, so I have a downright stony poker e-face, and will bus scumbuddies in a heartbeat. Nowadays I tend to not put the effort in either way. Shame on me.
Also, asking everyone questions repeatedly while not even voting for someone tells me you don't have any suspicions and don't know how to manufacture them. Ask Jim in your scumchat how to do it better. He should be telling you already- listen to him, because he knows what he is talking about.
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 01, 2013, 10:48:42 pm
"Phantom-san, I haven't seen you around the school before, HI! Who would be the biggest danger to you if you were a bully?"I've been elsewhere since you started going to school here, although I've been going here for the about the past year and a half, my attendance hasn't been too good though.
The largest threat to the bullies is probably going to be Toony-sensei given his track record at class organization.
Phantom of the Library - Where do you see this game going? What style that is. Aggressive, silly, silent etc.I think I can say without a doubt that this entire affair has been one of utmost gravity and seriousness from day one. I cannot impress upon you the dire importance that we treat this entire affair as if our very lives were on the line. *nods head and leans back against the wall, then loses balance and falls*
I would like to ask everyone how many games have you played? How often were you successful as playing town? Scum? For those who have played a lot, just a estimate is fine of course.About seven I think? I play much better as scum than I do town, as I have a horrible scumdar, but I'm excellent at avoiding getting lynched, and fairly good at making people crack. I wouldn't call myself a skilled player by any means though, I'm pretty sure that a good 60% of it was overextended beginner's luck.
Why are you still asking questions like this at this stage? Surely we've gotten over the trivialities and small talk by now and can start getting down too business? Or are you simply trying to distract us from the matter at hand?
"Sorry Shinigami_King but you're admitted lazy and you've basically admitted that you plan to put the minimal amount of effort into helping the town so... I'll miss you dearly. I thought you were different but... not like this... not like this."You seem a little overeager to put someone in jail just because they're lazy, Nerjin-san. You aren't just looking for and easy lynch by any chance are you~?
PPE:
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?Because I hadn't seen any reason to up until now.
And playing nostalgia-inducing video games make for a wonderful distraction. >_>
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 11:05:42 pm
"Sorry Shinigami_King but you're admitted lazy and you've basically admitted that you plan to put the minimal amount of effort into helping the town so... I'll miss you dearly. I thought you were different but... not like this... not like this."You seem a little overeager to put someone in jail just because they're lazy, Nerjin-san. You aren't just looking for and easy lynch by any chance are you~?
"Perhaps I'm over-eager. I call it more being prepared than anything else. If we allow him to stick around someone'll say 'Boy he sure was being lazy this entire time. Let's expel him!' and that just wastes a day. He's admitted he'll be lazy and that doesn't help us. If we get rid of him now we won't have paranoid thoughts about him later. If he's not a bully then we don't lose anything because he wasn't gonna be helpful anyway. If he was we got rid of a bully. I might be overlooking something but.... To me it seems like the best decision to make at the time."
Post by: zombie urist on June 01, 2013, 11:11:03 pm
*shrugs* "I don't actually know what the phrase means either."Why did you ask this question then?
Zombie Urist - You seem to be the silent type. Are you going to keep posting at this frequency? If so, how much content do plan to put into your average post?Probably. I will put as much content as I deem necessary.
I would like to ask everyone how many games have you played? How often were you successful as playing town? Scum? For those who have played a lot, just a estimate is fine of course.
I have played the last half of a game and lost as town and the first half a game, it has not finished yet but I have received a replacement.
I've played about 10-15? games. I am about equally successful at both roles.
Captain Ford is winning hardest to read text.QFT
Lenglon: Please list your top suspicions and ask them a question.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 11:18:28 pm
Also, due to everyone addressing the fact that I said I was lazy and then voting me for that, I say it's a pretty dumb reason. I'm just telling you how I personally behave so if you vote me for that aren't you just voting me because you don't like my style/ personality. I was told when I did that that it wasn't approved. So what's up nerjin? It seems like you are voting for me only using Jim's case and the fact that I use a disagreeable playstyle.
Also the
Quote
In the end, what I prefer the most is not what helps the group the mostmeans that I want everyone to act like a well polished machine. Everyone likes using their own methods so if I want everyone to act according to my desires, people would be going against what comes naturally to them.
I think that made sense.
PPE:
Directed at your point Nerjin. All lynches are important and you can waste any one of them Just because it's day one it doesn't mean you can say, "I don't care if you're scum or not, I just want you gone". This is scummy, I thought you were experienced at this game but to attack like this? What's up Nerjin? not used to being scum?
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 11:31:16 pm
Also, due to everyone addressing the fact that I said I was lazy and then voting me for that, I say it's a pretty dumb reason. I'm just telling you how I personally behave so if you vote me for that aren't you just voting me because you don't like my style/ personality. I was told when I did that that it wasn't approved. So what's up nerjin? It seems like you are voting for me only using Jim's case and the fact that I use a disagreeable playstyle.
"Correction, I am voting you to save us this sort of vote in the future. In the future everyone will say 'Look at Shinigami! He stated day one he wouldn't help us! He's probably scum and just said that so we'd be complacent." Nerjin pauses for a moment "Well at least something similar to that.
Quote from: Shinigami
QuoteIn the end, what I prefer the most is not what helps the group the mostmeans that I want everyone to act like a well polished machine. Everyone likes using their own methods so if I want everyone to act according to my desires, people would be going against what comes naturally to them.
I think that made sense.
It does. Still it was only a small portion of the reason to vote for you.
Quote from: Shinigami
PPE:
Directed at your point Nerjin. All lynches are important and you can waste any one of them Just because it's day one it doesn't mean you can say, "I don't care if you're scum or not, I just want you gone". This is scummy, I thought you were experienced at this game but to attack like this? What's up Nerjin? not used to being scum?
"I'm not wasting mine. No one else is acting scummy right now and nothing stands out to me so I feel I may as well get rid of future problems. I've seen it happen before. Your lack of contribution may fly for a while but someone will point it out and then everyone'll attack you and you'll have no defense. I want that sort've thing nipped in the bud right away. If you keep up your..." Nerjin pauses once again "Promised lack of effort then my vote will remain until something scummy happens with someone else. For now however it stays on you."
Post by: Toaster on June 01, 2013, 11:37:56 pm
Also, due to everyone addressing the fact that I said I was lazy and then voting me for that, I say it's a pretty dumb reason. I'm just telling you how I personally behave so if you vote me for that aren't you just voting me because you don't like my style/ personality. I was told when I did that that it wasn't approved.
This is an awfully defensive reaction for someone whom I didn't even vote.
Post by: zombie urist on June 01, 2013, 11:38:04 pm
No one else is acting scummy right nowWait seriously? ???
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 11:39:43 pm
No one else is acting scummy right nowWait seriously? ???
"No one I saw at least Mr
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 01, 2013, 11:41:53 pm
F*ck it. Nerjin Go eat your own cheese.
PPE:
Toaster, this was directed at everyone who may have been looking at it in the wrong light. It wasn't directed at you, or anyone, specifically.
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2013, 11:52:14 pm
"...So you only saw our resident yokai lover because of what he said, huh. That must mean you've been reading about.No one else is acting scummy right nowWait seriously? ???
"No one I saw at least Mr. Urist. Do you have something to share with the rest of the class?"
"Expound Nerjin-san."
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 11:54:35 pm
"...So you only saw our resident yokai lover because of what he said, huh. That must mean you've been reading about.No one else is acting scummy right nowWait seriously? ???
"No one I saw at least Mr[ s]. Urist. Do you have something to share with the rest of the class?"
"Expound Nerjin-san."
"Sorry kiddo I'm afriad I don't understand what you mean."
Post by: Tiruin on June 01, 2013, 11:56:22 pm
"Feeling better? You look a bit moody."
Honestly, does it look like I have a lack of communication? When I say I'm lazy, I'm referring to the fact that I can't just sit down and read page after page of text. It doesn't mean that I wont scumhunt and I never said that it meant I wouldn't scumhunt. Your logic has so many holes it's like swiss cheese. Not to mention that you are currently filling those holes with your own BS and forcing me to eat the damn cheese. (This last part was a funny analogy. Not some dick-ish insult or however you may have taken it)"How analogy? Holes?"
F*ck it. Nerjin Go eat your own cheese.
PPE:
Toaster, this was directed at everyone who may have been looking at it in the wrong light. It wasn't directed at you, or anyone, specifically.
Post by: Nerjin on June 01, 2013, 11:58:16 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 02, 2013, 12:21:57 am
So you keep pressuring them to try to get more out of them.
Funny that.
buncha questions
There's not an ounce of scumhunting or even a whiff of who you suspect and what you're trying to do to prove your point contained within these.
I have no intention of answering your questions directed at me for this reason.
"Sorry Shinigami_King but you're admitted lazy and you've basically admitted that you plan to put the minimal amount of effort into helping the town so... I'll miss you dearly. I thought you were different but... not like this... not like this."
This is pretty bandwagony. Particularly with the apology.
"Well if you're not with us your against us." Flips his glasses into the air and allows them to shatter as they hit the ground "Simply put we have no use for someone who is simply window dressing." Pulls another set of glasses from his pocket "Unless I find someone more scummy than Mr/Mrs I'm-too-lazy I'll keep my vote there."
Oh, even better.
"Perhaps I'm over-eager. I call it more being prepared than anything else. If we allow him to stick around someone'll say 'Boy he sure was being lazy this entire time. Let's expel him!' and that just wastes a day. He's admitted he'll be lazy and that doesn't help us. If we get rid of him now we won't have paranoid thoughts about him later. If he's not a bully then we don't lose anything because he wasn't gonna be helpful anyway. If he was we got rid of a bully. I might be overlooking something but.... To me it seems like the best decision to make at the time."
So, if he is a bully and you lynch him, that's good, but if it turns out that he was town, well he wasn't helpful anyway, so that's also good. Man, it's just a win-win lynch here.
This is lazier than what you're accusing Shinigami-King of being.
Ahhh. Clever.
That's great that you think it's clever.
What do you think the chances of it actually being relevant in this game are?
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 12:49:23 am
Lenglon you are active lurking. You are clearly trying to avoid any sort of hostile attention by being meek as hell."I-I-uh-but-I-WHAAAAAAAAT?!? You-but-it-I-but."
Lenglon stops and takes several slow, deep breaths.
"Ok, um, first of all, if I wanted to avoid drawing attention, I'd simply not post. Secondly, you're saying that I've not posted any actual content, which is patently untrue. Thirdly, if you're trying to gauge scumminess by activity level, I'm by no means the person who has posted the least content. I dont think the simple amount of content people are posting is a good sign of who the scum are during this stage of the game, but I'd expect you to at least be consistent in applying your scumhunting system, whatever it may be."
Lenglon - You said before that I gave you too much credit for scumhunting. Could you elaborate? How so?(I dont think I should answer this, you're referencing a different, and currently still active. game. I'll do it anyway because the question back then was refencing a now finished game, and you could replicate it easilly enough. but seriously, you should have asked me there, before you replaced, not in here.)
"Well Shinigami-kun, you seem to have a whole lot of respect for me, but that respect is based on a very small sample of what I could do. The thing is, that sample was taken under pretty much optimal conditions for me. I was a total unknown, which meant I knew exactly what other people thought of me. I only had a few people to have to read the dynamics of. I had several days of backlog to read over, as well as nightkills and such. In that specific circumstance, it was very easy to try for a high-risk gamble, and I had a lot of material to work with that so far nobody else had questioned or analyzed. If you re-read that game, although I had a strong opening set of moves, I ran out of steam very fast. In just about any other circumstance, the play I attempted wouldn't have worked. Even then, under the best conditions available to me, it didn't work. Specfically, I lost perspective. If i'd stuck with the same strong analysis that I'd used for my opening moves that game, and trusted my instincts, we would have won. That mistake still fills me with shame. I dont think i'll ever get a chance to demonstrate my skills and styles as good as that one was, ever, again. I don't know how to make circumstances that give me those kind of optimal conditions either. In short, I'm strongest in the endgame, and even then, I messed up, and I dont think I deserve the high praise and respect you've shown me for that kind of limited skillset and poor display."
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?"I am voting. I'm voting for Ford. It's just a random vote, but I'm not worried about it too much right now because the random voting part of the random voting stage seems pointless to me. I plan on moving it again when I feel that someone deserves it."
Lenglon: Please list your top suspicions and ask them a question."Shinigami-kun, your attitude and statements seem to have reversed from previous games I've played with you. In my past experience you've paid signifigant attention to who is lurking and who is not, and considered lack of activity scummy. It seems odd to me that you would be requesting that people be less active this time, especially since you've experienced firsthand how low activity levels can only help the bullies."
"While i'm still feeling irritated by leafsnail's question, I might as well ask Deathsword-senpai to be more active in general. I don't even really care who you question, I just have fresh memories of you lurking to victory and dont want you doing it again. It seems to be your M. O. as a bully to hide in the background, and I dont want you to get away with that again."
"And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"
Post by: Tiruin on June 02, 2013, 01:06:07 am
"Hey, why is it that we can't (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286236;topicseen#msg4286236) vote (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289025;topicseen#msg4289025) for Ford?"
"I (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284580;topicseen#msg4284580) mean, Griffy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284430#msg4284430) did so. As well as Lenglon-san. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284634#msg4284634) Ford voted back, of course.. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284436#msg4284436) and he didn't change it. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285942#msg4285942)
But for all that, our votes don't count. Ford-yosh-yoshi..Ford to Griffy-san. Lenglon-san and Griffy-san along with me..
Um. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286236#msg4286236)
Post by: zombie urist on June 02, 2013, 01:18:48 am
Post by: zombie urist on June 02, 2013, 01:20:02 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 02, 2013, 03:38:32 am
Goodness...
Post by: Leafsnail on June 02, 2013, 08:43:25 am
Leafsnail - What unique things are you afraid of appearing in this quarter bastard game?Knowing ToonyMan's preferred type of games, the inevitable alien invasion day three.
What in these games make you the least excited?Pigtails. They just don't do it for me.
wait did I misunderstand
pfp Why are you voting Ford again? Whyjave you switchedvotes so many times so recently?PSA: This post is a lot funnier if you read it in a stereotypical ethnic accent.
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 09:16:14 am
Lenglon: deflecting suspicion onto other people is really not a good way to respond to an allegation. It implies you're thinking about your actions in terms of "How can I fit in" rather than "why is what I am doing justified". What I mean is that while you have been posting content, it all gives the impression that you're trying to fill space rather than achieve anything meaningful. Much like a 10 minute lecture on magical circuits, or a lacrosse training arc."So you're upset that I'm talking to people and having fun while I look for the bullies? Well, you can waste your time being upset about that and join Jim-chan's stop having fun train if you really want to. In the meantime I plan on enjoying myself while I'm here. Not everything I say has to be 100% serious you know. As long as I'm still hunting for the bullies, and trying to get stuff done, I don't see a problem."
Post by: Leafsnail on June 02, 2013, 09:27:52 am
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 09:34:49 am
That isn't what I said."Ok, so... what?"
Post by: Leafsnail on June 02, 2013, 09:57:54 am
Quote
Lenglon you are active lurking. You are clearly trying to avoid any sort of hostile attention by being meek as hell.
Deflecting suspicion onto other people is really not a good way to respond to an allegation. It implies you're thinking about your actions in terms of "How can I fit in" rather than "why is what I am doing justified". What I mean is that while you have been posting content, it all gives the impression that you're trying to fill space rather than achieve anything meaningful. Much like a 10 minute lecture on magical circuits, or a lacrosse training arc.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 02, 2013, 10:33:33 am
Quote
Shinigami-kun, your attitude and statements seem to have reversed from previous games I've played with you. In my past experience you've paid significant attention to who is lurking and who is not, and considered lack of activity scummy. It seems odd to me that you would be requesting that people be less active this time, especially since you've experienced firsthand how low activity levels can only help the bulliesI want to make my play consistent after I find a form of play that works. Seeing as this is only my third game (If you could call it that) I'm still trying to adjust my playstyle. I'm also not discouraging people from talk. I just get worried that with this many people I'm going to come back and there will be three pages of text after an hour. I'm really busy right now and I am lucky to be able to put this much content out anyway. So, no I'm not discouraging banter, discussion or whatever, I'm just worried that I'm going to have to read a Butt tonne of posts.
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 10:48:21 am
Post by: Leafsnail on June 02, 2013, 12:33:19 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 01:34:26 pm
Lenglon takes a couple deep breaths, then walks over to Shinigami-kun.
"Shinigami-kun, you knew there would be a lot to listen to when you registered for school. that's kinda how it works. you've never been scared of this before. Why are you scared now? you've been acting differently from how I've seen you act in the past, and it worries me, because in the past you were, or at least I thought you were, not any kind of bully."
Lenglon next goes over to Ranger-kun.
"Hey, Ranger-kun? I, well, to be blunt, I don't like you normally, but you've been a lot more helpful this time. Um, why?"
(I should have something better to post after finishing a re-read. there's just so many people. I'm used to paying more attention to what people dont do than to what they do, and it's hard to keep track right now.)
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 03:46:14 pm
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 02, 2013, 03:51:35 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 02, 2013, 04:03:29 pm
"Shinigami-san, it would all depend on the situation. If most of the students who are active seem like non-bullies, I would go after the less active students. I would also do this if they hadn't said anything for awhile and it was coming close to the end decision. Less active students would be under heavy scrutiny if they gave no reason for not speaking, but active students are always the ones to look out for because they will be the ones who are playing their votes and most likely to slip up. Your vote on Nerjin-san feels like OMGUS as your logic for it makes little sense. Please explain your vote without the confusing analogy about cheese."
"Nerjin-san, your case against Shinigami-san reaks of a band wagon. All you've done is take others opinions and stress them more. So he's lazy, if his points are good and make sense, laziest doesn't become a factor. Although he could do with saying more of his thoughts, he's yet to do anything that would mark him as a bully and you've asked almost no questions to him. Why? And yes, you could be doing a much better job of finding those who look like bullies."
"Lenglon-san, I have to agree with Leafsnail-san here, you aren't saying much that would be useful. Although i see it more that your having trouble with so many people to cover rather than acting bully like, you still could be doing more judging from our previous conversations. As for being more helpful, I guess this could be that i don't like being the mean guy in any situation. (unless you mean doing more useful stuff in game, if thats the case, i've been lynched twice for not being helpful enough so I think trying more would help that, wouldn't you?) And who is the Neko you speak of?"
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 04:19:33 pm
Who the hell is Neko-senpai?(solifuge)
Post by: Captain Ford on June 02, 2013, 05:45:10 pm
Captain Ford is winning hardest to read text.Oh my god, you're right. It looks fine on Darkling, and it looked fine on the default theme on my screen at home, but here at work it's unreadable. I wish I could just specify two different colors for the different themes, (or just force everyone to use Darkling).
PPE: I've spent like three hours just trying to find a color that works works well in both themes, and I've concluded that it's impossible. This is the best I came up with.
The meaning of OMGUS as quoted in the guide that Lenglon posted is completely different from its common use. (The guide's version is essentially a specific form of overreacting to a vote, which is a valid tell) Someone referencing that guide is talking about something completely different than what we were talking about in this thread."Really? So what if someone changes their mind during the course of the game and realizes there's truth to a tell after all? Sounds more like you're trying to manufacture ammunition for later."This is literally the stupidest attack I have ever seen. If someone decides that some stupid shit like OMGUS is actually a tell when they need it to be one (even though they previously correctly said it was completely worthless) then great, they are scum and can be lynched.
tl;dr; I asked this because I found a definition of OMGUS that isn't completely useless, which invalidates your method of attack unless you account for potential miscommunication.
To move on, have you ever gotten to use ammunition like this before, and has it worked?
Captain Ford - (I don't like your colour, sorry. It hurts my eyes and I have to highlight it to read it properly :() Should we expect you to act like you did in the great temple game? Could you explain your reasons for actions in a quick statement? I'm curious as to how you thought it would make you look any more like town.1. No, no you should not. And I will try to be on my best behavior.
2. Reasons: I was frustrated, angry, and yelling back at the people who like to yell incoherently. Also because there is so little actual discussion going on. That game is completely nuts, and I am trying now to get it back on track.
3. Precedent. No less than three other games where I've flipped out when I'm town because of being ignored or misunderstood. I didn't think it would make me look more town, but I was not exactly concerned with that at the time.
Regardless, I am going to try to do better from now on. Getting angry never helps anybody.
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?As you can see, I voted Leafsnail not four posts before. So, evidently, I can't. (I actually forgot about it)
Tiruin plays with a fluffy dust ball until her eyes focus on Captain Ford.I'm actually unlynchable as well as having no vote. I didn't realize that meant I couldn't be voted at all, but I'm glad because that means the lynch won't be wasted on me.
"Hey, why is it that we can't (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286236;topicseen#msg4286236) vote (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289025;topicseen#msg4289025) for Ford?"
(So yeah, Ranger, I'm going to make it to day 2. ;))
... :-XLeafsnail - What unique things are you afraid of appearing in this quarter bastard game?Knowing ToonyMan's preferred type of games, the inevitable alien invasion day three.
"Because I needed a sixteenth question so I could ask everyone a question with the first post!"*shrugs* "I don't actually know what the phrase means either."Why did you ask this question then?
*sly smile* "Also because I'm unlynchable and didn't have anything to be afraid of."
Post by: Teneb on June 02, 2013, 05:47:42 pm
Also, I removed all the silly colours. It makes the letters very hard to read, it is as if they are shaking (blue is a high offender when it comes to this, but Ford's puke-green is also pretty bad).
Unvote, since that vote was left hanging since RVS.
This is old, but I'll answer it anyway:
To start with, I would like to hear from everyone: which tell do you think is most valid? Which tell do you think is least valid?Hypocrisy would be the least, since, while bad, is hardly a proof of scumminess.
Contradicting your own argument, however, is most scummy.
"Of all of those here Death-san, Who do you believe would vote out one of their bully friends if they were a bully themselves?"If by "those here" you mean the players, it'd be Jim/Vector. But I really wouldn't put it past anyone to bus their team-mate. But Jim and Vector seem more manipulative to me.
PotL, Ranger, DeathSword and NTQ- Who here do you know from meta game? Could you try to describe their play style.I usually do not pay attention to meta, since it creates certain expectations about a player, expectations that said player can then subvert.
Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself. In fact, is accusations of being creepy and/or being a jerk your only vote-material? Your scumhunting questions are weak and few. You waste time calling people jerks or creeps and making you posts in pretty colours instead of, you know, finding the scum.
I'll split this into the intresting parts.Lenglon you are active lurking. You are clearly trying to avoid any sort of hostile attention by being meek as hell."Ok, um, first of all, if I wanted to avoid drawing attention, I'd simply not post. Secondly, you're saying that I've not posted any actual content, which is patently untrue. Thirdly, if you're trying to gauge scumminess by activity level, I'm by no means the person who has posted the least content. I dont think the simple amount of content people are posting is a good sign of who the scum are during this stage of the game, but I'd expect you to at least be consistent in applying your scumhunting system, whatever it may be."[/i]
Ok, um, first of all, if I wanted to avoid drawing attention, I'd simply not post.Lurking will actually attract quite a lot of attention. You know what makes you not be noticed? Active-lurking. Posting a lot of fluff with no real meat in it. Like you.
Secondly, you're saying that I've not posted any actual content, which is patently untrueReally? Where is the proof of that then? RP doesn't count as content if it doesn't involve finding scum, by the way, especially since this is not a true bastard.
Thirdly, if you're trying to gauge scumminess by activity level, I'm by no means the person who has posted the least content. I dont think the simple amount of content people are posting is a good sign of who the scum are during this stage of the game, but I'd expect you to at least be consistent in applying your scumhunting system, whatever it may be.Let me repeat myself: you are active-lurking. To active lurk is to say a lot of things that mean absolutely nothing. To RP and buddy and looking busy without actually doing any real work. As Leafsnail said, you are attempting a deflection. Real town simply wouldn't care and instead scumhunt.
So you're upset that I'm talking to people and having fun while I look for the bullies? Well, you can waste your time being upset about that and join Jim-chan's stop having fun train if you really want to. In the meantime I plan on enjoying myself while I'm here. Not everything I say has to be 100% serious you know. As long as I'm still hunting for the bullies, and trying to get stuff done, I don't see a problem.Except you are not looking for the scum. Not really.
I-I-but-uh-but... ok, um, you know what? I-I'll, get back to you on that in a bit. I, um, I need to sit down and think over what people have been saying again if I'm going to have a chance at finding something that has slipped through the cracks. I think you're trying to help me here, I'm just a little, well, really a whole lot, lost right now. I don't think you actually think I'm one of the bullies, but that you think you need to vote for me to make me feel pressured to, well, improve. I mean, if you were actually looking for people who aren't saying anything, you'd be voting for Dariush-senpai or Phantom-san, right? so, um, thanks? could you tell me what's wrong with the questions I have asked? I really think that I'm, well, kind of useless early on like this. I know I need to be questioning people, but last time that I tried to ask people about minor, kind of meaningless, things, everyone got mad at me for it. I'm having trouble finding stuff that isn't minor right now, and I feel inadequate at questioning my seniors in general unless they do something that seems, well, really wrong. Still, if nothing else I should be able to question Shinigami-kun and Ranger-kun, right? I mean, I've talked to them a lot in the past, so I should be able to notice if they're hiding something, right? so, um, I'll see what I can do.Once more you ignore the point: Your "content" is merely fluff. It's just there. There is nothing to it. People got "mad" at you when you asked minor, irrelevant question exactly because of that: THEY DO NOT HELP FINDING SCUM.
[Lenglon takes a couple deep breaths, then walks over to Shinigami-kun
Shinigami-kun, you knew there would be a lot to listen to when you registered for school. that's kinda how it works. you've never been scared of this before. Why are you scared now? you've been acting differently from how I've seen you act in the past, and it worries me, because in the past you were, or at least I thought you were, not any kind of bully.
Lenglon next goes over to Ranger-kun
Hey, Ranger-kun? I, well, to be blunt, I don't like you normally, but you've been a lot more helpful this time. Um, why?
Then, unsurprisingly, more fluff:
(re-read done, and sadly the main things that sticks out to me is low activity from phantom, dariush, deathsword, and griffonday, as well as a lack of pressure from solifuge. i've probably missed a lot >.>)Also, be more clear about who you are talking about/to.
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?
Deathsword - Don't worry just yet. It's only the beginning of the first day and it's the weekend so I don't think anyone has viewed you as a lurker. But I feel your pain about all this reading. Your question i, after reading through all these pages, who has struck you as the most passive-aggressive person here.Could you define what being passive-agressive is? To me either someone is passive or agressive, not both.
Post by: Griffionday on June 02, 2013, 05:49:35 pm
Griffy"Are you even reading the game Shinigami-kun? Vector-chan(Jim) has stated that if you are playing with anything other that a sense of obligation you are obviously scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285884#msg4285884). I completely disagree with that statment, as I've found great fun in being town in my games. It sounds to me like you're trying to manufacture something that isn't there."Quote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
Griffionday - Do you consider being friendly a good thing, or a bad thing in a game of mafia?"I'm neutral on that. While I don't consider being needlessly hostile a good thing, I'm not going to criticize anyone who wants to be friendly, provided they aren't buddying. The difference between the two as I see it is whether you are being positive to them or about their reads/targets. The first is perfectly fine, the second is suspicious."
I would like to ask everyone how many games have you played? How often were you successful as playing town? Scum? For those who have played a lot, just a estimate is fine of course."This is my fourth game, and so far I've been unsucessful in all my completed games."
"Well no, that isn't omgussing. An OMGUS vote is one cast purely to retaliate at someone who voted you. The "you suck" part is kind of important."
"Why are you apologizing to Leafsnail?"
"Right, I'm claiming that saying "You are voting for me, that is a scum tell!" would be OMGUSing."
"I was late, and therefore missing in his post where he surmised all the responses to the question."
"Ford-chan I would also like to know why voting is odd around you."
PPE:"Ah, alright then, that makes sense..."
"But that's normal of the guy, he usually does that. And you want to kick him out on it? How does that mark him as a meanie bully-boy?"I'm afraid I'm not that familiar with him; all I'm implying is that he seems to love himself to much and to dearly to love another."
"I mean, he's asking himself why he's handsome, and all that...n-not that I think he's handsome. I mean, everyone's handsome in some way."
(http://i.imgur.com/dPnH72i.jpg)
"I try. I don't think this would be an universal tell, (it would not work in your case for example) but I suspect it has some merit.
Do let me know how it works out for you, as independant validation is important to the inventing process."
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?"I've not found the time to properly hunt, and so only have general reads. I'm considering requesting a replacement as I'm not sure I'll have enough free time this week to resume proper play."
Post by: Tiruin on June 02, 2013, 07:09:38 pm
Quote
As you can see, I voted Leafsnail not four posts before. So, evidently, I can't. (I actually forgot about it)Didn't see that..but yeah, that adds to the case. I just knew you were voting someone but bluh. Invisible votecounts didn't help. >_>
PPE: I've spent like three hours just trying to find a color that works works well in both themes, and I've concluded that it's impossible. This is the best I came up with.:<
There are a lot of colors which work well on both Core and Darkling themes. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?119520-bbcode-name-for-colors-for-forums)
I'm"I-..."
actually
"unlynchable"
. . .
"Very interesting. So we can't boot you out of here, nor can you boot anyone else out, huh. I believe you've an ulterior motive given that idea, or you're just a bully with a fair disguise." Meaning: Some king of unlynchable bully..though I find it hard to believe (but that annoying case of VECTOR WAS UN-NK-ABLE BUT SCUM in one of the Mafia games now weigh on my suspicions) but I still find it hard to believe. Third-party, perhaps..
"Unvote. Hmm, judging by that side comment to Cado-kun, you're pretty confident, huh. How are you going to use your..immunity as a benefit to finding them bullies? How are you going to act when in school, hmm? Any difference?"
"Also, where'd Cado say such? He's doubting you'd be making it here tomorrow?"
Lenglon
(re-read done, and sadly the main things that sticks out to me is low activity from phantom, dariush, deathsword, and griffonday, as well as a lack of pressure from solifuge. i've probably missed a lot >.>)I actually see the same from Solifuge, he ain't voting. Though, lack of pressure? He's also inquiring around. Or was it the lack of vote?
"Ford-san's case seems really intriguing. As we've got lots of time, I'm wondering if others share the same basis, particularly those who haven't voted yet..I'll just keep a list to be sure."
Quote
Solifuge can be voted. He's not voting yet.
Captain Ford can't be voted. He can't vote too.
PhantomSpeaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?Because I hadn't seen any reason to up until now.
"Wait, missed something. Why only now, Mr. Phantom? Nothing caught your eye earlier?"
Deathsword
Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself. In fact, is accusations of being creepy and/or being a jerk your only vote-material? Your scumhunting questions are weak and few. You waste time calling people jerks or creeps and making you posts in pretty colours instead of, you know, finding the scum.I really didn't read her posts as defensive to me..because I didn't see how they are defensive at all. Quotes please! Thanks.
Can you expound on that matter? If you mean that thing to Jim, where I guess it all started: it was nothing but a side-comment which I didn't consider..err, related at all. Unless you see something with it? How is her Scumhunting questions weak and/or few? I've read her posts (when calling jerks) as that she suspects them. Creeps--only done to Ford, and that was when she was voting for him.
How isn't that scumhunting? Or do you mean her questions? They're not that accurately pointed, I see that, but I can see she's trying (quite much for a newbie, too). Also, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289453#msg4289453) I really don't sense she was doing 'active lurking' from a scum PoV intentionally, or trying to subconsciously judging by the wording there. Girl-speak. People would get defensive or probably insulted, but I can't see that being a rational conclusion that she's under guilt of the cause of 'FLUFF POSTS 4 ACTIVITY AND ELUDE SCUMHUNTING'.
Checking the lurkertracker, I really don't see active lurking there INB4 Leafsnail posted (she's been poking around not in a vague way). She's quite good at sensing intentions though, I'll give her that.
Query:
Quote
Really? Where is the proof of that then? RP doesn't count as content if it doesn't involve finding scum, by the way, especially since this is not a true bastard.Do you not see her inquiries in her posts? Or are you blinded by the RP there?
However, Lenglon: "Why do I see you comparing your activity with the others who..perhaps are daydreaming at the moment? Timezones and all..do you find comparing to be a reasonable explanation? Or is it your only one?
"Why did you think Leafsnail was poking you to 'help', rather than to find information?" As per what you say, here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214)
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 02, 2013, 07:18:39 pm
Ranger- Could you do me a favour and quote the question you are answering? I know what question you were referring to in your last post but for future reference, would you kindly? It helps.
Deathsword-
Quote
stated that if you are playing with anything other that a sense of obligation you are obviously scum. I completely disagree with that statement, as I've found great fun in being town in my games. It sounds to me like you're trying to manufacture something that isn't thereI don't think I understand what you are saying. Could you explain please?
My analogy and it's meaning- My analogy was pretty much stating that I found Nerjins case was not solid and did not hold proper ground. I also thought that it seemed like he was filling any holes with a little bit of BS.
Another analogy- like chicken nuggets. They're made out of things we don't want to think about but after all the non-natural ingredients, many will swallow them without complaining.
Post by: Tiruin on June 02, 2013, 07:20:46 pm
So what do you think of Nerjin's case? And by that I mean the context of it and his intention?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 02, 2013, 07:48:37 pm
Spoiler: Nerjin's case (click to show/hide)
The holes in his attack are when he states that I "Promised to not contribute." I just said that I was lazy and he quickly made it like what I said was that I would quietly sit in a corner not doing anything while I have obviously been active and contributing to the game. The logic was simply not there. Also, his post referring to my lack of contribution was about an hour after my post asking questions to everyone and answering others questions or statements.
To summarize, it didn't make sense.
Post by: Teneb on June 02, 2013, 09:00:44 pm
Deathsword-Quotestated that if you are playing with anything other that a sense of obligation you are obviously scum. I completely disagree with that statement, as I've found great fun in being town in my games. It sounds to me like you're trying to manufacture something that isn't thereI don't think I understand what you are saying. Could you explain please?
That's not my quote. It's not even on my post.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 02, 2013, 09:05:55 pm
Are you even reading the game Shinigami-kun? Vector-chan(Jim) has stated that if you are playing with anything other that a sense of obligation you are obviously scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285884#msg4285884).
Don't take my statement there as a general one; I was specifically talking about Solifuge.
Shinigami-King, do you have any suspects besides the one voting you?
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 09:22:15 pm
-snip-Lenglon turns and stares in silence at Deathsword for five seconds before speaking.
"Is that it? Is that all you've got Deathsword-senpai?"
"That is a hilariously scummy little stunt you just tried there you fool. Let's take this thing apart bit by bit, shall we?"
Lenglon pulls a tape recorder out of her pocket, presses rewind for a couple seconds, staring at the display, and then hits play.
Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself.Lenglon pauses the recording
"This is quite frankly pathetic. The only time I defended Tiruin-sama in any way was when Jim-chan was being hurtful to her and wasn't even trying to scumhunt in the process. I haven't touched a single scumhunting-related accusation. I just plain don't like it when people are abusive jerks to each other. I have no intention of letting people be needlessly hurtful, period. I was quite clear on that at the time, and this entire accusation is quite frankly stupid."
Lenglon then hits the play button
In fact, is accusations of being creepy and/or being a jerk your only vote-material? Your scumhunting questions are weak and few. You waste time calling people jerks or creeps and making you posts in pretty colours instead of, you know, finding the scum.Lenglon re-pauses the recording. "My use of creepy has been reserved for Ford-senpai. And it is purely because he seems to be into bondage. I've explained this several times now, and I've been quite clear about it. Jerk has also been reserved for a specific use. I've only used it to describe persons who would use the situation we're in as an excuse to abuse another person. I've been quite clear on this as well. they are both irrelevant to my questions and my scumhunting techniques. Additionally, as I made perfectly clear earlier, I was reserving my vote for when I thought someone finally deserved it, and my only vote until now was to poke fun at Ford-senpai. this entire paragraph by Deathsword is nothing but regurgitated garbage from earlier discussions, and every single point in is has been answered before, several times in some cases. lets move on to the next part."
Lenglon hits play again.
Spoiler: long (click to show/hide)
"now then, this would be far, far more interesting, if it contained any original thought or sign of you having actually listened to me when I was speaking. However, notice that all you have to say on the matter is that I am active-lurking. You repeat this accusation over and over, without any real relevance to my quotes, as though it is some kind of totem of righteousness. There is nothing real to be heard here that was not said far more productively by Leafsnail earlier."
Once again, Lenglon hits the play button
and yet again, the recording is paused.I-I-but-uh-but... ok, um, you know what? I-I'll, get back to you on that in a bit. I, um, I need to sit down and think over what people have been saying again if I'm going to have a chance at finding something that has slipped through the cracks. I think you're trying to help me here, I'm just a little, well, really a whole lot, lost right now. I don't think you actually think I'm one of the bullies, but that you think you need to vote for me to make me feel pressured to, well, improve. I mean, if you were actually looking for people who aren't saying anything, you'd be voting for Dariush-senpai or Phantom-san, right? so, um, thanks? could you tell me what's wrong with the questions I have asked? I really think that I'm, well, kind of useless early on like this. I know I need to be questioning people, but last time that I tried to ask people about minor, kind of meaningless, things, everyone got mad at me for it. I'm having trouble finding stuff that isn't minor right now, and I feel inadequate at questioning my seniors in general unless they do something that seems, well, really wrong. Still, if nothing else I should be able to question Shinigami-kun and Ranger-kun, right? I mean, I've talked to them a lot in the past, so I should be able to notice if they're hiding something, right? so, um, I'll see what I can do.Once more you ignore the point: Your "content" is merely fluff. It's just there. There is nothing to it. People got "mad" at you when you asked minor, irrelevant question exactly because of that: THEY DO NOT HELP FINDING SCUM.
[Lenglon takes a couple deep breaths, then walks over to Shinigami-kun
Shinigami-kun, you knew there would be a lot to listen to when you registered for school. that's kinda how it works. you've never been scared of this before. Why are you scared now? you've been acting differently from how I've seen you act in the past, and it worries me, because in the past you were, or at least I thought you were, not any kind of bully.
Lenglon next goes over to Ranger-kun
Hey, Ranger-kun? I, well, to be blunt, I don't like you normally, but you've been a lot more helpful this time. Um, why?
"This section here is particularly moronic. That statement was a reference to the beginning of the current BM, I was vague at the time and I refuse to go into detail now for the simple reason of the game is currently ongoing. for this reason, and because he is no longer in it, Shinigami-kun, could you please summarize the events I am referring to here? I would strongly prefer to use a different example, but I don't have many to draw upon I'm afraid."
"However, I've shifted off-topic. the reason this is moronic is I have not been attacked for pressuring people about meaningless things this game at all. The only person who even approched that was Leafsnail-senpai, and Leafsnail-senpai is the person that quote was addressed to. the entire basis of this accusation is fraudulent, and the accusation itself is nothing but another cry of active-lurking. now then, to continue with this joke of a speech."
Lenglon, again, un-puases the recording.
Then, unsurprisingly, more fluff:Lenglon pauses the tape recorder a final time, fiddles with it some, and returns it to her pocket.(re-read done, and sadly the main things that sticks out to me is low activity from phantom, dariush, deathsword, and griffonday, as well as a lack of pressure from solifuge. i've probably missed a lot >.>)Also, be more clear about who you are talking about/to.
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?
"This is, again, a frivolous repeat of statements that have been said earlier, and better, by other people."
"Now that I've covered each part of that speech individually, let me point out what is truely damning about this, and why I believe that you, Deathsword-senpai, are one of the bullies among us. First, that attack had very suspicious timing. So far I am the only person who has voiced any suspicion towards you, and your attack came right after I did so. Sceondly, There was absolutely no individual thought in the entire thing. Every single thing you mentioned had been brought up before by someone else. Thirdly, it was needlessly long. You attempted to make it look more imposing by stretching out the length, and including issues that were very, very weak. Fourth, it was angry, you attempted to be emotionally imposing, and inspire others to join in on your lynch attempt, and terrorize me into falling apart before it. Overall, that post was nothing but an attempt to join in on Leafsnail-senpai's accusations, an attempt to avoid suspicion being drawn towards you, a lazy case, built on the shoulders of other people's work, without any actual work or thought, quite simply, that pathetic failure of an OMGUS bandwagon mislynch attempt is clear evidence of the fact that you are one of the bullies here Deathsword-senpai, and I look forward to your expulsion."
Lenglon turns and storms over to the other side of the room, where she leans against the wall, slightly shivering, and calms down before responding to Tiruin-sama's question.
However, Lenglon: "Why do I see you comparing your activity with the others who..perhaps are daydreaming at the moment? Timezones and all..do you find comparing to be a reasonable explanation? Or is it your only one?"Um, the answers to both of those questions are related, actually. Leafsnail-senpai's accusation of me lurking, whatever kind it may have been, didn't make sense at first for several reasons. First of all, it's the weekend. I could legitimately have simply chosen to not post at all today and yesterday, and nobody would have questioned it. Secondly, even if lurking during the weekend was something that actually was problematic, then it made no sense to be accusing someone who was being active in any form, over someone who wasn't being active at all. Leafsnail-senpai hasn't said anything at all to Dariush-senpai or several others who have been lurking this weekend. This inconsistency, which was left unaddressed even when I pointed it out, meant that something singled me out other than my activity. Additionally, Leafsnail-senpai didn't seem to be building or presenting a case for my expulsion, but was voting for me. This meant that the vote was a pressure vote of some kind. As the only two things that I could think of that singled me out from the people who haven't been active over the weekend was my lack of experience, and the fact that I was actively posting, I came to the conclusion that Leafsnail-senpai saw me attempting to be active, took into account the fact that this is still somewhat early in the day, and decided that I needed a wake-up-call of some kind to make sure that I wasn't so focused on enjoying myself here that I failed to be productive at finding the bullies. A good way to do that would be to tell me what I was doing wrong, and vote for me to make me feel a sense of urgency. That is why I questioned why I was singled out for questioning about activity levels, and why I thought, and still think, that Leafsnail-senpai is simply trying to teach me to improve, and doesn't actually wish me ill."
"Why did you think Leafsnail was poking you to 'help', rather than to find information?" As per what you say, here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214)
Post by: ToonyMan on June 02, 2013, 09:27:53 pm
Pfff that would never happen.Leafsnail - What unique things are you afraid of appearing in this quarter bastard game?Knowing ToonyMan's preferred type of games, the inevitable alien invasion day three.
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffionday -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(4)Shinigami_King - Notquitethere, Vecooster, Nerjin, Griffonday
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(0)Notquitethere -
(3)Lenglon - Zombie Urist, Leafsnail, Deathsword
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(3)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, RangerCado
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, Tiruin
Day 1 will last until Tuesday, 6/4 at 11 PM EST.
Thank you everybody for posting.
Post by: Toaster on June 02, 2013, 09:54:55 pm
I'm actually unlynchable as well as having no vote. I didn't realize that meant I couldn't be voted at all, but I'm glad because that means the lynch won't be wasted on me.
This is probably one of those things you should elaborate on.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 02, 2013, 10:05:12 pm
Lenglon- I think what you are referring to here is in the current BM when you tried to ask questions about gameplay decisions but everyone pretty much shot you down saying they were pretty much irrelevant. You then said something along the lines of "I will change to a new, or should I say old, tactic". Yeah, something like that.
Jim-
Quote
Shinigami-King, do you have any suspects besides the one voting you?I kind of find you suspicious because you don't seem to have a very large attack radius (i.e. you seem to be focusing on me but not really anyone else). this seems kind of noteworthy but meh, besides, you're voting me so I can't say you. Lenglon has been acting odd this entire game compared to what I'm used to. Her defenses are strong but her playstyle just seems off. Especially saying that I am acting different after telling her that I was trying to adjust my scumhunting techniques. Most people haven't posted enough content in my opinion so the scum could easily just be keeping silent because of the weekend. Do you want to hear my oppinion of anyone specifically?
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 10:09:32 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 02, 2013, 11:15:33 pm
You're avoiding the question. Please re-answer the question with a player."Phantom-san, I haven't seen you around the school before, HI! Who would be the biggest danger to you if you were a bully?"The largest threat to the bullies is probably going to be Toony-sensei given his track record at class organization.
What does this part mean?Griffy"Are you even reading the game Shinigami-kun? Vector-chan(Jim) has stated that if you are playing with anything other that a sense of obligation you are obviously scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285884#msg4285884). I completely disagree with that statment, as I've found great fun in being town in my games. It sounds to me like you're trying to manufacture something that isn't there."Quote(Yes FUN Vector, not obligation)You know that I don't like Vector's playstyle. Are you trying to befriend me?
(I actually forgot about it)
I thought you forgot you were unlynchable.Why did you ask this question then?"Because I needed a sixteenth question so I could ask everyone a question with the first post!"
*sly smile* "Also because I'm unlynchable and didn't have anything to be afraid of."
"I hate chicken nuggets. They aren't chicken, but taste like chicken. But they're edible..bluh."I'm pretty sure chicken nuggets are made of chicken. They are also delicious.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 02, 2013, 11:39:06 pm
purple
white
RP
I have lots of free time but I don't like wasting it needlessly. Your post is hard to read and I have elected not to.
I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?
this seems kind of noteworthy but meh, besides, you're voting me so I can't say you.
Bluhwhaaaaa?
Yes, you can, in fact, say that. If you weren't cowardly scum you would.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 02, 2013, 11:49:17 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 02, 2013, 11:52:07 pm
Broaster: You missed one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289425#msg4289425).(Theres actually a point about how it isn't possible to lurk on the weekend in the last part, though I got lynched partially for that reason in BM XLI. I don't think you can lynch someone for regular lurking during the weekend. Active-lurking you can make an arguement for because the player took the time to post a bunch of nonsense.)purple
white
RP
I have lots of free time but I don't like wasting it needlessly. Your post is hard to read and I have elected not to.
I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?
((ZU, watch the movie "SuperSize Me" and you'll understand. Or just look up the process in making them.))
Post by: Lenglon on June 02, 2013, 11:56:15 pm
I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?(also suspicious timing, I had just mentioned that he was being idle, and nobody else had voiced any suspicions against him. also stretching, he brought up a lot of old, clearly resolved, issues, and presented them as his own. in general, he isn't hunting on his own, thinking on his own, or in fact presenting anything new whatsoever. he's just repeating anything he can find that might remotely incriminate me, and not actually researching any of the arguments he's bringing up. he's then presenting this garbage as a lynch case, with no questions in it. that is lazy, unproductive, and he should know far, far better. he is scum attempting to cause a mislynch.)
Post by: Dariush on June 03, 2013, 06:55:56 am
"And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"Because trying to solve a well-made puzzle is way more interesting and fun than digging through colorful RPing vomit of teenage girls with inflated senses of self-opinion like you.
Ford, why did you wait to claim your... independence from votes until you were called out on it?
Solifuge, are you ever going to stop posting in pictures, you stinking fuck?
GD, explain your vote on SK (which is a fourth one on him). All I see is you voting him over Vim's statement you don't even agree with.
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 08:41:55 am
I think Shinigami_King should have the nametag of Shin just so we can shorten it easily.
Dariush
"What do you see in her words, then? Something? Nothing? What?""And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"Because trying to solve a well-made puzzle is way more interesting and fun than digging through colorful RPing vomit of teenage girls with inflated senses of self-opinion like you.
Ranger:
You're talking to the guy that practically was part of the first BMs, ever. What was your point to him here? What's your case on lurking? Do you think Lenglon is lurking, judging by what you worded here and who you quoted?Broaster: You missed one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289425#msg4289425).(Theres actually a point about how it isn't possible to lurk on the weekend in the last part, though I got lynched partially for that reason in BM XLI. I don't think you can lynch someone for regular lurking during the weekend. Active-lurking you can make an arguement for because the player took the time to post a bunch of nonsense.)purple
white
RP
I have lots of free time but I don't like wasting it needlessly. Your post is hard to read and I have elected not to.
I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?
Post by: Toaster on June 03, 2013, 08:54:43 am
Ahhh. Clever.
That's great that you think it's clever.
What do you think the chances of it actually being relevant in this game are?
Fairly low. Decent scum will realize they're cut off from using whatever they said as an attack and not trip over it. Good scum will have said something they don't use anyway, so scum like you won't be found out with it.
Dariush: Do you have an actual case on Solifuge that isn't bilious rage over cat pictures?
Post by: Solifuge on June 03, 2013, 09:00:34 am
Solifuge, are you ever going to stop posting in pictures, you stinking fuck?(http://i.imgur.com/fvBP9QU.jpg)
Spoiler: HELPFUL REMINDER! :3 (click to show/hide)
Solifuge - Are these pictures normal for you? Are you trying to use them to add a playful atmosphere to your scum hunts? Are you scum trying to make everyone enjoy your pictures and so they don't think as much of you?(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)~~RELEVANT LINK~~(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_novel)
(http://i.imgur.com/loa2y9q.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/p4G0yhu.jpg)
(re-read done, and sadly the main things that sticks out to me is low activity from phantom, dariush, deathsword, and griffonday, as well as a lack of pressure from solifuge. i've probably missed a lot >.>)(http://i.imgur.com/uvA2oPt.jpg)
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?
(http://i.imgur.com/OJuWo0x.jpg)
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?(http://i.imgur.com/FnaGHtd.jpg)
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 09:07:50 am
Post by: Toaster on June 03, 2013, 09:09:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 09:15:11 am
O goodness the cats. The marvelous wonderful glorious cats. >_<
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 09:24:19 am
Soli-san!
[...]I was tutoring another student on some important material![...]+[Follow-up]
"I believe this may be a subtle ploy in saying what you're actually doing, right? Tutoring whom? Also..we're all quite new to the class. I'm also interested in that question--what would a 'Yes' entail?
. . .
"Also, you answered something you figure is a waste of time and effort. Theoretically, I'm guessing, is your idea there."
Post by: Solifuge on June 03, 2013, 09:40:44 am
"I believe this may be a subtle ploy in saying what you're actually doing, right? Tutoring whom? Also..we're all quite new to the class. I'm also interested in that question--what would a 'Yes' entail?
. . .
"Also, you answered something you figure is a waste of time and effort. Theoretically, I'm guessing, is your idea there."
(http://i.imgur.com/JLTHWbv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DiTdJ8E.jpg)
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 09:43:43 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 10:07:06 am
My mind didn't comprehend tutor > That other pic.
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?(http://i.imgur.com/FnaGHtd.jpg)
"I'm pretty sure we've got lots of time. But I think I may be addressing the point in a different way: Are you afraid that you might expel the wrong student, or are you afraid to pressure them if at all? Are you being lax with your vote, or is there some psychological detail to it.
"Yes I took Philosophy 101."
'Note to self: Do not post when tired.'
Tiruin nods at the note, then dozes off...
^PFP reason. That, and I'm quite busy.
Post by: Dariush on June 03, 2013, 10:39:58 am
DariushIn her (wait, is Lenglon actually female or are you referring to his female persona? Because if the latter, then my detestation of you just passed borders I previously thought impassable) words I saw shitcolors, shithonorifics and shitroleplaying. I think that is sufficient."What do you see in her words, then? Something? Nothing? What?""And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"Because trying to solve a well-made puzzle is way more interesting and fun than digging through colorful RPing vomit of teenage girls with inflated senses of self-opinion like you.
Solifuge, I honestly don't give a fuck about your reminders. You are making life more difficult for everyone by presenting text in a fashion that is intentionally hard to quote, impossible to read for those with no ability to view images (surprise! Not everyone has unlimited internet) and generally bulky and badly readable. Moreover, by discarding my request to stop doing so and instead pointing out how I dared to offend your shit-eating majesty.
Dariush: Do you have an actual case on Solifuge that isn't bilious rage over cat pictures?Intentionally making scumhunting more difficult and ignoring requests to stop doing so is an entirely valid one.
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 11:02:17 am
In her (wait, is Lenglon actually female or are you referring to his female persona? Because if the latter, then my detestation of you just passed borders I previously thought impassable)(yes, I was considering RPing as a male, but I figured things were confusing enough without adding that into the mix.)
...shit...shit...shit...fuck...shit-eating..."Please, calm down. you're going to get detention if you keep this up."
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 11:16:01 am
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 11:22:50 am
"Pardon me gentlemen and ladies but I appear to have to go do some things and can't help look for bullies as properly as I should right. Now. A day or two extra would be a real help."
[As in: Real life stuffs goin' down so I need a bit more time.]
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 11:30:21 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 12:29:37 pm
Lenglon is female. I asked her personally. If you already detest me, then be straight with it..sheesh. >_>DariushIn her (wait, is Lenglon actually female or are you referring to his female persona? Because if the latter, then my detestation of you just passed borders I previously thought impassable) words I saw shitcolors, shithonorifics and shitroleplaying. I think that is sufficient."What do you see in her words, then? Something? Nothing? What?""And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"Because trying to solve a well-made puzzle is way more interesting and fun than digging through colorful RPing vomit of teenage girls with inflated senses of self-opinion like you.
Extend. And PFP. Because I've hilariously spent the latest unholy hours of the night and morning purging my room of ants. Bloody annoying ants.
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 12:53:21 pm
Hah, no. An excuse is more like what you seem to be doing. That or I can't see how you can't view his images..even with a very very slow net connection here, I can view them easy.Dariush: Do you have an actual case on Solifuge that isn't bilious rage over cat pictures?Intentionally making scumhunting more difficult and ignoring requests to stop doing so is an entirely valid one.
..You think he's evading by doing pictures, then?
Post by: Solifuge on June 03, 2013, 01:46:40 pm
Quick post- Solifuge, everyone's points directed at you so far are fair but what you are questioning from my post is dumb. I figured that everyone would know, even the inexperienced players such as myself, that asking someone if they are scum can actually cause slip ups. Some may say something they don't mean to or overreact to the very simple question. I'm surprised you didn't realize this, or did you?(http://i.imgur.com/6seJbV3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/lt0sqNj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ajst3dG.jpg)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"I'm pretty sure we've got lots of time. But I think I may be addressing the point in a different way: Are you afraid that you might expel the wrong student, or are you afraid to pressure them if at all? Are you being lax with your vote, or is there some psychological detail to it.
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?
"um, Neko-senpai? you didn't answer my question. and I had answered yours before you'd asked it. why'd you bother? to repeat myself, at the time, I hadn't found as many things that seemed suspicious as everyone else had, and felt clueless as a result. I don't feel that way anymore though." Lenglon glares for a second at Deathsword-senpai.(http://i.imgur.com/UBgUUWK.jpg)
Spoiler: Lenglon (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 03, 2013, 02:04:45 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
The fun, it hurts, I can't take it anymore.
Fairly low. Decent scum will realize they're cut off from using whatever they said as an attack and not trip over it. Good scum will have said something they don't use anyway, so scum like you won't be found out with it.
Okay, but what was the likelihood that scum were going to invalidly use shit tells without getting called out on them in the first place?
What was your point to him here?
He's explaining part of Lenglon's post I didn't bother to read.
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If the extension doesn't go through, the day ends tomorrow.
You don't have that much time.
Post by: RangerCado on June 03, 2013, 02:33:30 pm
(I have to agree with Toaster and Tiruin Dariush, the pictures are easily quotable as you can just copy the picture to your desktop and then add it too your post. It seems rather simple to me. Your one of only two people who are finding the pictures annoying, and complaining about them doesn't get you anywhere so just stop and make a case not based around your personal hatred of Cat pictures.)
(My point to Jim, Tiruin, was a very bad way of saying that he should still read what a player says rather than just blow it off thinking he knows exactly whats going to be said in the post. If Jim thinks Lenglon is scum, he should read whats said in the posts to help build his case instead of blowing it off as useless rambling. (even if that really is all it is)
(UNVOTE and vote Lenglon, RPing is nice and all, but your getting ridiculous. Staying in character is fine, but the amount of time you spend making those excuses is staggering. In RL, IC, and in-game sense, you are stuttering and fumbling around like someone whos been backed into a corner with no escape, and has something that they want desperately to hide. Why do you spend a paragraph making an excuse when you could state very clearly your reasons for disagreeing? Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)
(Made all OOC due to not knowing how to phrase this in character.)
Post by: zombie urist on June 03, 2013, 03:07:54 pm
the pictures are easily quotable as you can just copy the picture to your desktop and then add it too your post. It seems rather simple to me.Ironically, this is a very complicated way to do it. The easiest way is to just quote the post as normal and use preview to select and remove necessary ones.
Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)What's so special about six? This seems unusually strong.
Do you have any examples of "old, clearly resolved issues"? Still I notice that these posts [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292110#msg4292110)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292161#msg4292161)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292263#msg4292263) are devoid of scumhunting.I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?(also suspicious timing, I had just mentioned that he was being idle, and nobody else had voiced any suspicions against him. also stretching, he brought up a lot of old, clearly resolved, issues, and presented them as his own. in general, he isn't hunting on his own, thinking on his own, or in fact presenting anything new whatsoever. he's just repeating anything he can find that might remotely incriminate me, and not actually researching any of the arguments he's bringing up. he's then presenting this garbage as a lynch case, with no questions in it. that is lazy, unproductive, and he should know far, far better. he is scum attempting to cause a mislynch.)
((ZU, watch the movie "SuperSize Me" and you'll understand. Or just look up the process in making them.))I have. To the best of my knowledge, chicken nuggets are still made of chicken. Though the meat is ground up and then bleached and then some other stuff. But still chicken.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 03:37:18 pm
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 03:38:08 pm
[3:51 PM] “Oh god I’m not even to the end of my read and keep getting lost. Gotta start over. Just gonna note interesting things.”
[4:04 PM] “Wait a second… Lenglon… have you said anything important yet?”
[4:04 PM] “His first real post says… Nothing of interest (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284634#msg4284634). Just a few fluff notes and a question to Ranger about why we shouldn’t just kill him because Ranger’s a bully… Without stating why Ranger is a bully.”
[4:06 PM] “He just makes a joke. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284654#msg4284654)… What’s he doing?
[4:08 PM] Voted Ford in RVS because of Ford’s RP persona (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285516#msg4285516). What the…?
[4:11 PM] He just votes Ford to have a vote on him it appears. Admits he doesn’t have a real suspect but then he just sorta… rolls with it? WHY!? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285880#msg4285880)
[4:14 PM] Active-lurk, Active-lurk, Active-lurk[/ur] Lenglon is there a reason you say that we need to be assertive yet you usually only come in to say “Stop being mean.” ?
[4:25 PM] Oh I guess you just needed a kick in the ass to get moving guess I’ll unv-… Wait no you go back to active lurking again right after you post a huge paragraph. [url=http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289963#msg4289963]I feel Leaf describes what you’re doing better than I ever could. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286890#msg4286890)
[4:26 PM] Another big post that’s sadly devoid of content. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290552#msg4290552) but that’s fine. I guess you do just need a re-read to find something… Oh wait you Didn’t find anything? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290552#msg4290552) Fair enough. REREAD AGAIN!
[4:30 PM] I’ll admit at first I thought I might be wrong about the active-lurking because of this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4291289#msg4291289) but through-out you simply say “I’m innocent. I’m doing work. You’re the one who is false!” You also accuse him of trying to make his point seem more impressive by stretching out it’s length. You go on to do this exact thing. The fact that he brings up previous players’ points doesn’t make his case weak. It simply states that he agrees with these people. The more I read your posts the more it seems like you’re just trying to do enough to avoid attention. But maybe I’m wrong. I have been before I bet your next post won’t be a single sentence and it’ll have MUCH more detail on why Death is scum.
[4:32 PM] Hm… I was wrong. Maybe the next- Nope… Just repeating what you said earlier. Next post for sure…
[4:35 PM] More Nothing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292110#msg4292110)
[4:36 PM] Conclusion: You’re active lurking and I want to know why. You only seem to come out of the active-lurk when you see a target of ease or when someone calls you on it. Please explain your case on Deathsword better. Simply him “Omgusing” you isn’t enough [because he didn’t do that.]
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 03:43:38 pm
“Alright you magnificent people let’s get this going. I’m not leaving until I have two suspects with a strong case. I shall re-read as many times as necessary to build this case. As of now EVERYONE is scum.” [2:58 PM]
[3:51 PM] “Oh god I’m not even to the end of my read and keep getting lost. Gotta start over. Just gonna note interesting things.”
[4:04 PM] “Wait a second… Lenglon… have you said anything important yet?”
[4:04 PM] “His first real post says… Nothing of interest (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284634#msg4284634). Just a few fluff notes and a question to Ranger about why we shouldn’t just kill him because Ranger’s a bully… Without stating why Ranger is a bully.”
[4:06 PM] “He just makes a joke. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284654#msg4284654)… What’s he doing?
[4:08 PM] Voted Ford in RVS because of Ford’s RP persona (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285516#msg4285516). What the…?
[4:11 PM] He just votes Ford to have a vote on him it appears. Admits he doesn’t have a real suspect but then he just sorta… rolls with it? WHY!? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4285880#msg4285880)
[4:14 PM] Active-lurk, Active-lurk, Active-lurk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286890#msg4286890) Lenglon is there a reason you say that we need to be assertive yet you usually only come in to say “Stop being mean.” ?
[4:25 PM] Oh I guess you just needed a kick in the ass to get moving guess I’ll unv-… Wait no you go back to active lurking again right after you post a huge paragraph. I feel Leaf describes what you’re doing better than I ever could. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289963#msg4289963)
[4:26 PM] Another big post that’s sadly devoid of content. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290552#msg4290552) but that’s fine. I guess you do just need a re-read to find something… Oh wait you Didn’t find anything? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290552#msg4290552) Fair enough. REREAD AGAIN!
[4:30 PM] I’ll admit at first I thought I might be wrong about the active-lurking because of this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4291289#msg4291289) but through-out you simply say “I’m innocent. I’m doing work. You’re the one who is false!” You also accuse him of trying to make his point seem more impressive by stretching out it’s length. You go on to do this exact thing. The fact that he brings up previous players’ points doesn’t make his case weak. It simply states that he agrees with these people. The more I read your posts the more it seems like you’re just trying to do enough to avoid attention. But maybe I’m wrong. I have been before I bet your next post won’t be a single sentence and it’ll have MUCH more detail on why Death is scum.
[4:32 PM] Hm… I was wrong. Maybe the next- Nope… Just repeating what you said earlier. Next post for sure…
[4:35 PM] More Nothing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292110#msg4292110)
[4:36 PM] Conclusion: You’re active lurking and I want to know why. You only seem to come out of the active-lurk when you see a target of ease or when someone calls you on it. Please explain your case on Deathsword better. Simply him “Omgusing” you isn’t enough [because he didn’t do that.]
Post by: Teneb on June 03, 2013, 04:25:54 pm
Probably won't be able to post today (test tomorrow, need to finish studying).
Shinigami: A lot of people, myself included, use Darkling. So it's purple on dark grey, not on white.
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 06:08:15 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/UBgUUWK.jpg)
(UNVOTE and vote Lenglon, RPing is nice and all, but your getting ridiculous. Staying in character is fine, but the amount of time you spend making those excuses is staggering. In RL, IC, and in-game sense, you are stuttering and fumbling around like someone whos been backed into a corner with no escape, and has something that they want desperately to hide. Why do you spend a paragraph making an excuse when you could state very clearly your reasons for disagreeing? Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)(neither of you understand what it means to stay in character apparently. both of your complaints are simply about my portraying my emotional state, which is something I consider important to RPing. and ranger? six+ is stupid, just ask for my reads on everyone and be done with it, i'm not going to bother humoring you for now, maybe later today when I'm less mad.)
Do you have any examples of "old, clearly resolved issues"? Still I notice that these posts [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292110#msg4292110)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292161#msg4292161)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292263#msg4292263) are devoid of scumhunting.(yes.)
Spoiler: example 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: example 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: example 3 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Nerjin's timeline and responses. (click to show/hide)
Post by: RangerCado on June 03, 2013, 06:13:51 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 06:36:49 pm
Vector/Groovester: Null - unreadable
Griffionday: Lean Town - meta
Leafsnail: Town - training attempt
Captain Ford: Town - unlynchable + fairness assumptions
Toaster: Smartass (null) - messing with jim.
Tiruin: Respect (null) - dodged a trap absolutely perfectly, operates at a minimum of Tier 3 in WIFOM
Dariush: Troll (null) - lurking, but I think it's part of his normal meta
zombie urist: respect (lean town) - hunting well.
Phantom of the Library: Coward (lean scum) - activity and question pattern
Shinigami_King: Reckless (lean town) - meta
RangerCado: Hunting well (lean scum) - meta
Deathsword: Scum - you've heard my case
notquitethere: Invisible (null) - he blends into the crowd well.
Lenglon: Me (town) - duh
Solifuge: Lean scum - instincts, unable to explain well. something to do with activity and question pattern.
Nerjin: Reckless (lean town) - his attack on shinigami seemed odd but not scummy.
(names list shamelessly stolen from ford's !first! post)
Post by: RangerCado on June 03, 2013, 06:44:04 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 03, 2013, 07:09:15 pm
"This one respectfully notes that until there is concrete evidence of bullying, we don't have any solid grounds for kicking people out of school. If we are to expel, let us expel the one who is most disruptive and inconsiderate. Dariush-yōgisha rudely insists that Soli-chan is hard to quote, when nothing could be easier. Whether we think Soli-chan is a bully or not, the cat's meow is easy to quote and Dariush-yōgisha is hardly hunting scum with this line of attack."
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 07:38:42 pm
#[NQT] shudders at all the bickering and noise.
"This one respectfully notes that until there is concrete evidence of bullying, we don't have any solid grounds for kicking people out of school. If we are to expel, let us expel the one who is most disruptive and inconsiderate. Dariush-yōgisha rudely insists that Soli-chan is hard to quote, when nothing could be easier. Whether we think Soli-chan is a bully or not, the cat's meow is easy to quote and Dariush-yōgisha is hardly hunting scum with this line of attack."
"That's an interesting line of thought." Nerjin glances lovingly at his profile picture "Damn Ocelot is cool... Anyway my point is this: While Dariush-san-sama-senpei-kun-chan isn't exactly being nice... When is he ever nice? Simply being unkind is not grounds for termination."
Post by: notquitethere on June 03, 2013, 07:50:02 pm
Realising that quietly sitting in the corner is no way to hunt bullies #[NQT] starts down the school corridors looking for people to question.
"Phantom-san, I notice that houses will be closed if the occupant has got what they desire. This hints at the existence of third-parties that are neither normal students nor bullies. Is it in our interest to assist or hinder the goals of benign third-parties?"
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 03, 2013, 08:29:26 pm
(My point to Jim, Tiruin, was a very bad way of saying that he should still read what a player says rather than just blow it off thinking he knows exactly whats going to be said in the post. If Jim thinks Lenglon is scum, he should read whats said in the posts to help build his case instead of blowing it off as useless rambling. (even if that really is all it is)
If it's easier for me to ask somebody to clarify what their point is than to parse through their post and try to figure it out, that's exactly what I'm going to do.
Yeah yeah, everybody should read everybody else's posts, but people need to make their posts readable.
[4:04 PM] “His first real post says… Nothing of interest (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284634#msg4284634). Just a few fluff notes and a question to Ranger about why we shouldn’t just kill him because Ranger’s a bully… Without stating why Ranger is a bully.”
DURRR RVS.
[4:06 PM] “He just makes a joke. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284654#msg4284654)… What’s he doing?
Oh, yes, what uncommon silliness. Nobody else was doing stupid shit like that during Day start.
These are idiotic points to hold against Lenglon.
[4:36 PM] Conclusion: You’re active lurking and I want to know why. You only seem to come out of the active-lurk when you see a target of ease or when someone calls you on it. Please explain your case on Deathsword better. Simply him “Omgusing” you isn’t enough [because he didn’t do that.]
And you're lazy bandwagoning scum.
What part of this argument is unique from Leafsnail's? While you're at it, why don't you tell me what part of your argument against SK was unique from mine (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289425#msg4289425), and tell me how you're not lazy, bandwagoning scum.
#[NQT] shudders at all the bickering and noise.
"This one respectfully notes that until there is concrete evidence of bullying, we don't have any solid grounds for kicking people out of school. If we are to expel, let us expel the one who is most disruptive and inconsiderate. Dariush-yōgisha rudely insists that Soli-chan is hard to quote, when nothing could be easier. Whether we think Soli-chan is a bully or not, the cat's meow is easy to quote and Dariush-yōgisha is hardly hunting scum with this line of attack."
What the hell.
What the fuck is this.
Lynching someone because he's an abrasive jackass and doesn't like something is an utterly fucking unacceptable reason for a vote.
"Ah, Nerjin-san, but this is more than the usual abrasiveness-- it smacks of outright obfuscation and the active nourishing of misunderstandings.
Bullshit.
You better have some expert fucking elaboration on this point, and it better be so goddamned good that it's going to turn my anger right the fuck around and put a bright, shining smile on my face as I nod along in strong agreement, because otherwise, you're lazier goddamn scum than Nerjin.
You know what?
Have a little impetus.
notquitethere.
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 08:37:44 pm
Lenglon takes out her tape recorder again, and gets to work.
Spoiler: Every single one of deathsword's posts, quoted in full (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 08:42:37 pm
Nerjin- Quick point. Ocelot is a bit of a dweeb actually. This is seen in MGS3. I like his character but yeah, he is definitely a dweeb.
Tiruin?-I think you were the one who asked me about my opinion on votes. Sorry for answering now but I forgot about it until now.
I think votes put pressure on people if used properly but if someone can keep a cool head then they mean absolutely nothing. In the end, they can add to your scum hunt but they can't be your scumhunt. It's like adding some spice to your meal.
Deathsword?- Once again, I think this was you.
Passive aggressive- When I used this term I was referring to someone who acts aggressive and attacks people but is really lax and doesn't do to much with pushing. So I'll ask you again, could you list the top passive aggressive players here? Top three in order would be nice.
Lenglon- You keep praising Ranger's scumhunting but I have not noticed anything stand out. What are you seeing? Also why did you list him as lean scum?
Post by: ToonyMan on June 03, 2013, 08:45:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)Nyaaa~~~
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffionday -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Notquitethere
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(1)Shinigami_King - Griffonday
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(1)Notquitethere - Vecooster
(5)Lenglon - Zombie Urist, Leafsnail, Deathsword, RangerCado, Nerjin
(2)Solifuge - Dariush, Tiruin
(2)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge
Day 1 will last until Tuesday, 6/4 at 11 PM EST.
Nerjin, Shinigami_King, Tiruin, and RangerCado have requested an extension. If four more people request an extension it will pass. (8/16 is 50%)
I have noticed that DARIUSH-KUN and VECOOSTER-SANKUN have been using excessive profanity. This is simply unacceptable in the classroom environment! Continued rule violation will deem worthy punishment!
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 08:46:40 pm
Nerjin- Quick point. Ocelot is a bit of a dweeb actually. This is seen in MGS3. I like his character but yeah, he is definitely a dweeb.
Quote
dweeb
/dwēb/
Noun
A boring, studious, or socially inept person.
"You son of a... I WILL FIGHT YOU ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET! I'm not even joking! You and me pal. Put 'em up!"
Post by: ToonyMan on June 03, 2013, 08:49:46 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 08:52:19 pm
(...I'm scummy for hunting well... What!?!?)
Lenglon- You keep praising Ranger's scumhunting but I have not noticed anything stand out. What are you seeing? Also why did you list him as lean scum?"Well, Ranger-kun... look, at least in my past experience, Ranger-kun has been really bad at this. The reason i've been praising his scumhunting isn't that it's particularly good, it's that it's not particularly bad. I was expecting him to, quite frankly, be incompetent. Since he hasn't been, I think there is a decent chance that he is being tutored in secret by one of the bullies. That is also why I started taking notes about people's mannerisms. I've been looking to see if he would start talking like somebody else. So far, I haven't noticed it happen, so I haven't pushed the issue."
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 08:53:35 pm
Maybe socially inept. He kind of gets kicked around a lot.
"Socia-.... WHAT!? Have neither of you seen the masterful way he works behind the scenes!? He's the ONLY enjoyable part of MGS2! He's the best!"
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 03, 2013, 08:55:31 pm
I have noticed that DARIUSH-KUN and VECOOSTER-SANKUN have been using excessive profanity. This is simply unacceptable in the classroom environment! Continued rule violation will deem worthy punishment!
Seriously?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 08:56:10 pm
PPE: I haven't played MGS2 yet sorry. Just going off what I know.
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 08:58:19 pm
Yeah... the socially inept part... His failure with automatic in the middle of his fight with snake, and when he get's his men to shoot in the middle of a "one on one" fight. He get's way more badass at the end but for the first half.. meh. (The main thing I didn't like about MGS3 was the way humor was implemented to be honest. Also the shagohod. I hated that fight.)
PPE: I haven't played MGS2 yet sorry. Just going off what I know.
"I loved the humor in 3. Besides in the first half he was showing off and that's part of why the gun jammed. That's not ineptness that's just him messing up on camera. He also tells his men NOT to interfere in the one on one fight. Ocelot is astounding. I will admit the Shagohod wasn't the best but I loved it none-the-less."
Post by: Leafsnail on June 03, 2013, 08:59:16 pm
Dariush: I think your anger so far has been unproductive and aimed at people annoying you rather than scumhunting. I believe this is indicative of your scumplay. Why are you aiming your anger exclusively at pictures and text rather than suspects and votes?
Solfuge: Why haven't you expressed a solid opinion on anything yet? Specifically, on anybody's alignment.
I feel fairly happy with a Lenglon lynch.
The meaning of OMGUS as quoted in the guide that Lenglon posted is completely different from its common use. (The guide's version is essentially a specific form of overreacting to a vote, which is a valid tell) Someone referencing that guide is talking about something completely different than what we were talking about in this thread.If it's different to the common use then you shouldn't use the acronym "OMGUS" to describe it. Otherwise nobody will understand what you mean.
tl;dr; I asked this because I found a definition of OMGUS that isn't completely useless, which invalidates your method of attack unless you account for potential miscommunication.
To move on, have you ever gotten to use ammunition like this before, and has it worked?This is the first time I have asked a question like this, so no to both I guess.
"Thirdly, it was needlessly long. You attempted to make it look more imposing by stretching out the length, and including issues that were very, very weak."This is a joke right
"Overall, that post was nothing but an attempt to join in on Leafsnail-senpai's accusations, an attempt to avoid suspicion being drawn towards you, a lazy case, built on the shoulders of other people's work, without any actual work or thought, quite simply, that pathetic failure of an OMGUS bandwagon mislynch attempt is clear evidence of the fact that you are one of the bullies here Deathsword-senpai, and I look forward to your expulsion."This isn't a good case. The entire post is basically sucking up to me to the point where it's embarassing and trying to make it seem that Deathsword is somehow scum just because someone else earlier in the thread agreed with what he said. If anything Deathsword's case is a lot more fleshed out and specific than mine rather than a regurgitation.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 03, 2013, 09:03:14 pm
Do you want me to be serious?! Well, I wouldn't prefer it since it's in the rules...I have noticed that DARIUSH-KUN and VECOOSTER-SANKUN have been using excessive profanity. This is simply unacceptable in the classroom environment! Continued rule violation will deem worthy punishment!Seriously?
Post by: RangerCado on June 03, 2013, 09:03:42 pm
"Lenglon-san, from what you've just said, it makes it sound like you think i can't improve my play from previous experiances... well thats incredibly insulting."(...I'm scummy for hunting well... What!?!?)Lenglon- You keep praising Ranger's scumhunting but I have not noticed anything stand out. What are you seeing? Also why did you list him as lean scum?"Well, Ranger-kun... look, at least in my past experience, Ranger-kun has been really bad at this. The reason i've been praising his scumhunting isn't that it's particularly good, it's that it's not particularly bad. I was expecting him to, quite frankly, be incompetent. Since he hasn't been, I think there is a decent chance that he is being tutored in secret by one of the bullies. That is also why I started taking notes about people's mannerisms. I've been looking to see if he would start talking like somebody else. So far, I haven't noticed it happen, so I haven't pushed the issue."
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 09:09:59 pm
Ranger-I would rather someone be insulting and honest instead of kind and all buddy-y. Why do you have a problem with this?
Post by: Toaster on June 03, 2013, 09:25:32 pm
Leafsnail: Town - training attempt
zombie urist: respect (lean town) - hunting well.
RangerCado: Hunting well (lean scum) - meta
There are two things wrong with this list. I've narrowed it down for you to see if you can figure it out.
Give up?
First is Leafsnail read. Him helping you has absolutely nothing to do with his alignment. You have him listed as "Town" - not even "Leaning town" - he is successfully your buddy, if he's scum.
Second is your highly contradictory reads on ZU and Ranger. They're both "hunting well" except they lean opposite directions. You need to explain further.
Jim:
Fairly low. Decent scum will realize they're cut off from using whatever they said as an attack and not trip over it. Good scum will have said something they don't use anyway, so scum like you won't be found out with it.
Okay, but what was the likelihood that scum were going to invalidly use shit tells without getting called out on them in the first place?
Not great, but it's lower now.
Nerjin:
“Alright you magnificent people let’s get this going. I’m not leaving until I have two suspects with a strong case. I shall re-read as many times as necessary to build this case. As of now EVERYONE is scum.” [2:58 PM]
And then you come out with one suspect. Where's the other?
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 09:27:45 pm
"Lenglon-san, from what you've just said, it makes it sound like you think i can't improve my play from previous experiances... well thats incredibly insulting.""I only said it because I was asked. It's nothing personal, and I'd love to be proven wrong."
"I'm really having trouble caring, at all, about what people think at this point. Mostly because I think my case is stronger than it's being given credit for, and all that people voting against me are saying is the words 'active lurking' over and over far beyond when it had meaning. I believe I've found scum, and I'm sticking to my conclusion until given evidence otherwise. I'm rather frustrated that my vote on deathsword is so lonely, but it's a lynch vote, not a pressure vote. I guess I might as well get back to looking for the rest of the scum though.""Thirdly, it was needlessly long. You attempted to make it look more imposing by stretching out the length, and including issues that were very, very weak."This is a joke right"Overall, that post was nothing but an attempt to join in on Leafsnail-senpai's accusations, an attempt to avoid suspicion being drawn towards you, a lazy case, built on the shoulders of other people's work, without any actual work or thought, quite simply, that pathetic failure of an OMGUS bandwagon mislynch attempt is clear evidence of the fact that you are one of the bullies here Deathsword-senpai, and I look forward to your expulsion."This isn't a good case. The entire post is basically sucking up to me to the point where it's embarassing and trying to make it seem that Deathsword is somehow scum just because someone else earlier in the thread agreed with what he said. If anything Deathsword's case is a lot more fleshed out and specific than mine rather than a regurgitation.
"I do suppose I shouldn't have voiced my conclusion regarding you Leafsnail, that did constitute buddying. Oh well, I stand by my conclusion for what you were doing at the time in any case, although your vote has changed from pressure to lynch."
(running out of patience and endurance here, abandoning RP for a bit)
Phantom: get in here and do something already.
Dariush: just highlight the text if it's oh so hard to read, and in the meantime post something.
Nerjin:
you hypocritical little twit. lookit your content-less post. if you think it's such a horrible sin why did you do this?Yeah... the socially inept part... His failure with automatic in the middle of his fight with snake, and when he get's his men to shoot in the middle of a "one on one" fight. He get's way more badass at the end but for the first half.. meh. (The main thing I didn't like about MGS3 was the way humor was implemented to be honest. Also the shagohod. I hated that fight.)
PPE: I haven't played MGS2 yet sorry. Just going off what I know.
"I loved the humor in 3. Besides in the first half he was showing off and that's part of why the gun jammed. That's not ineptness that's just him messing up on camera. He also tells his men NOT to interfere in the one on one fight. Ocelot is astounding. I will admit the Shagohod wasn't the best but I loved it none-the-less."
Shinigami:
Yeah... the socially inept part... His failure with automatic in the middle of his fight with snake, and when he get's his men to shoot in the middle of a "one on one" fight. He get's way more badass at the end but for the first half.. meh. (The main thing I didn't like about MGS3 was the way humor was implemented to be honest. Also the shagohod. I hated that fight.)same question.
PPE: I haven't played MGS2 yet sorry. Just going off what I know.
Ranger: post your reads, at least six of them, right now.
PPE: dont care, will answer later, patience ran out.
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 09:29:17 pm
I'll admit... I wrote that down around 2 hours earlier so I should have erased it but... No dice. My apologies."
@Lenglon
A few content-less posts are fine here and there. I went through and hit around three to five in a row on you.
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 09:39:40 pm
"Still working on that one because y'know... Life gets in the way and I have other things that need done.Nerjin: (show me the longest gap you can find, include the timestamps and the non-content-less posts that bracket it.)
I'll admit... I wrote that down around 2 hours earlier so I should have erased it but... No dice. My apologies."
@Lenglon
A few content-less posts are fine here and there. I went through and hit around three to five in a row on you.
-snip-
(additionally, those are my reads you idiot. I'm not trying to make a case out of them, and I only presented them because Ranger wanted them.)(...I'm scummy for hunting well... What!?!?)Lenglon- You keep praising Ranger's scumhunting but I have not noticed anything stand out. What are you seeing? Also why did you list him as lean scum?"Well, Ranger-kun... look, at least in my past experience, Ranger-kun has been really bad at this. The reason i've been praising his scumhunting isn't that it's particularly good, it's that it's not particularly bad. I was expecting him to, quite frankly, be incompetent. Since he hasn't been, I think there is a decent chance that he is being tutored in secret by one of the bullies. That is also why I started taking notes about people's mannerisms. I've been looking to see if he would start talking like somebody else. So far, I haven't noticed it happen, so I haven't pushed the issue."
Post by: RangerCado on June 03, 2013, 09:52:12 pm
Phantom of the Library-Null read(small lean scum): Is currently lurking and hasn't posted enough previously for a good read. If he doesn't post tomorrow, we're gonna need a prod.
Shinigami-Null read: Really busy with school and other various things. His posts give me no indication of his alignment.
Dariush-Lean scum read: Done almost nothing but complain about Solifuge's pictures, little to no scum-hunting from what i can tell, and has a negative attitude to the whole thing right now.
Lenglon-Scum: Appears to be desperately hiding something behind a wall of explanations that could be easily simplified, conflicting explanations for reads, misquoting... i think it was leafsnail, doing much less than she has from previous examples of her play.
Solifuge-Town: Points are valid, trying to keep reads on people who he thinks hes beginning to ignore, no scummy behaviour that i can find.
Tiruin-Lean town: Sticking to her usual play, nothing scummy so far, points are concise, nothing unusual.
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 09:55:09 pm
Lenglon-Scum: misquoting... i think it was leafsnailRanger: (This is a baldfaced lie, show me the proof you scum.)
Post by: Toaster on June 03, 2013, 10:02:28 pm
Lenglon-Scum: misquoting... i think it was leafsnailRanger: (This is a baldfaced lie, show me the proof you scum.)
You're starting to flail at this point.
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 10:04:28 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 10:10:04 pm
so I should accept lies? what are you smoking and why arn't you sharing?Lenglon-Scum: misquoting... i think it was leafsnailRanger: (This is a baldfaced lie, show me the proof you scum.)
You're starting to flail at this point.
Everyone voting for me: Please tell me how long, in real-life time, between content-containing posts is considered acceptable. and summarize any aspects of your case against me other than the active-lurking joke.
PPE:
Nerjin you coward. back up your statement. I think you're full of it and I intend to prove it. you're just trying to get out of exposing how weak your case really is.
Post by: Toaster on June 03, 2013, 10:33:38 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 03, 2013, 10:41:50 pm
"Ask and ye shall receive Lenglon-san."Lenglon-Scum: misquoting... i think it was leafsnailRanger: (This is a baldfaced lie, show me the proof you scum.)Lenglon: deflecting suspicion onto other people is really not a good way to respond to an allegation. It implies you're thinking about your actions in terms of "How can I fit in" rather than "why is what I am doing justified". What I mean is that while you have been posting content, it all gives the impression that you're trying to fill space rather than achieve anything meaningful. Much like a 10 minute lecture on magical circuits, or a lacrosse training arc."So you're upset that I'm talking to people and having fun while I look for the bullies? Well, you can waste your time being upset about that and join Jim-chan's stop having fun train if you really want to. In the meantime I plan on enjoying myself while I'm here. Not everything I say has to be 100% serious you know. As long as I'm still hunting for the bullies, and trying to get stuff done, I don't see a problem."
(This combined with the 3 posts afterward)
PPE: Not sure why its getting put into a quote...
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 10:44:49 pm
Nerjin, I really need to know what posts you're spending all this time talking about if i'm going to address the issue. by refusing to tell me that, you are constantly changing what it is you're talking about to consistantly portray me in a poor light.
overall this has stopped being fun for me, and i'm debating between sticking this out and hoping things will get better, or just up and replacing already. from my perspective, i'm being attacked for RPing and a RP heavy game, which is quite simply dumb. I have no reason to hang around the subforum in general if all it is is anger and drop-dead seriousness. I play Games to have fun. and if there's no fun to be had...
PPE:
oh, that.
go follow the link in the quote to the original post. all leafsnail was saying there was that my answer was to a different question than he had asked. the quote itself was perfectly fine.
Post by: Tiruin on June 03, 2013, 11:02:56 pm
Tiruin: Respect (null) - dodged a trap absolutely perfectly, operates at a minimum of Tier 3 in WIFOMI'm doing WIFOM? O_o
What trap? There was a trap?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
For all those voting for Lenglon, I'd like to ask on an expounding of their case on her. You all mostly say her RP is like a cover up? I don't sense that..for while it seems to be long winded and all that blah blah stuff, I really don't think people would do such an act this early in time, with that kind of context as a 'cover story.'
tl;dr: Newbie scum? Don't think they'll play like that. I'm leaning on fun and humor, but I see her scumhunting--where was the active lurking? That means she's putting fluff posts. Where are the fluff posts? How do they affect the game?
Post by: Nerjin on June 03, 2013, 11:04:50 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 11:15:29 pm
Not directed at me, but IMO the rule of thumb is once a day.thank you, I now have a standard to work with.
since I dont expect Nerjin to be reasonable, I'm going to go ahead and just collect all my posts, sorted by RL days, up to my case on deathsword.
Spoiler: Hours since game start: 0-24 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hours since game start: 24-48 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 11:18:50 pm
Spoiler: hours since game start: 48-72 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lenglon on June 03, 2013, 11:34:47 pm
PFP - caught up to only the last pages because overslept >_>If the people trying to lynch me were actually doing their research, they would have caught this, because this trap was the actual scummiest thing I've done all game.Tiruin: Respect (null) - dodged a trap absolutely perfectly, operates at a minimum of Tier 3 in WIFOMI'm doing WIFOM? O_o
What trap? There was a trap?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EBWOPthe question I asked you there was borderline rolefishing, and you answered perfectly to a T, you maintained a playful attitude, you gave the answer that doesn't give away information, you asked me why without giving away the problem you'd noticed with the question, and you didn't follow up on my explanation. If I was actually rolefishing, it would have made things look like I had been undetected, so if that was what I was really doing I'd try it again, possibly on someone else, and you'd be able to make a case out of it. as it was, it was too weak to really prove anything."I mean, he's asking himself why he's handsome, and all that...n-not that I think he's handsome. I mean, everyone's handsome in some way.""OOooooohhhh, Tiruin liiiiiiiiiiiiikes Ford. Are you saying you'd like it if he put you in a cage tonight?" (aka, used a jailkeeper's night action on you?)
"He's an acquaintance! :I Also...err, what? I didn't say anything like that, but..ehh, sure? I guess? Is it a nice cage? But I don't like being caged..but this cage is protective? Unsure, I'd like others to be protected as bullies are really mean, but..sure.
"It'd be nice to see more variants than the usual." Like Jailkeepers, never saw them in any game before. "Why do you ask?"
I had to be really careful about who I asked that by the way. I needed to make sure that whoever I asked would be someone experienced enough to not give the wrong answer. what I was wondering was what your follow up would be, and the level of awareness shown in your answer makes me think you operate at a minimum of tier 3 in WIFOM situations. possibly higher. this told me what kinds of possible slips to look for, although in of itself any answer at all to that question is a nulltell. the respect is because tier 3 is a royal pain to catch, let alone anything higher than that. in point of fact how well you answered that question is why I have you as null instead of leaning town. I have too much respect for you to think that your actions really indicate if you're town or not.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 11:42:55 pm
Lenglon,
Quote
you hypocritical little twit. lookit your content-less post. if you think it's such a horrible sin why did you do this?I don't think I ever attacked you for lack of content. :I Just say'n. I thought this slight deviation was worth the fun while it lasted.
-snip-
same question
Spoiler: Lenglon is cool (click to show/hide)
Post by: zombie urist on June 03, 2013, 11:51:02 pm
Unvote
Extend
the question I asked you there was borderline rolefishing, and you answered perfectly to a T...I don't think this qualifies as a trap, but whatever. What's Tier 3 WIFOM?
Reads...Why did you choose those six out of all players? Do you think you were lying?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 03, 2013, 11:55:07 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 12:11:17 am
WIFOM "Wine In Front Of Me" Trying to pick which glass to try to avoid the poison. The one near your enemy or the one near you. Tier three would just mean you are thinking three steps ahead. Teir one would just consist of you thinking that your opponent won't take what you think into consideration. WIFOM get's confusing. Correct me if I'm wrong and you mean something else lenglon.that is exactly what i mean.
Post by: Tiruin on June 04, 2013, 12:34:46 am
Two more extensions needed. I'm quite interested in those voting for Lenglon because it looks more like people're coming up with reasons for an easy lynch more often than not.
And it began with 'active lurking.'
..Shin: How did you get what a T3 WIFOM thing means? I didn't see what she said as some kind of trap, still.
ZU: You're missing out on a lot--I'm guessing its due to activity, what's your idea on the current situation?
Post by: Tiruin on June 04, 2013, 12:52:06 am
Nerjin. Tell me, here, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292866#msg4292866) on the difference between Lenglon's target, and the crux of your idea on her. You're prodding her, mostly, for what seems to be active lurking with a side dish of her argument on Deathsword. The side dish? You didn't focus on.
Your comment on the matter (and not a query, but a definitive) was
Quote
The fact that he brings up previous players’ points doesn’t make his case weak. It simply states that he agrees with these people. The more I read your posts the more it seems like you’re just trying to do enough to avoid attention. But maybe I’m wrong.in regard to DS, who was reflecting active lurking (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290837#msg4290837) from Leafsnail. Something of which also lacked any inquiries while putting the label of fluff on her posts.
Don't get me wrong, I do agree that some of Lenglon's posts have been fluffy--but not totally devoid of content. Just because she may be long winded and practically 'stuttering', it does not give leeway for those to just label that as evasion without looking deeper into said context/content.
Next, if I may pull a conversational tic into the matter; Lenglon reacted with anger in the previous posts in relation to her. What can you make of that?
Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?
To add to Leafsnail, What's wrong with being 'meek as hell', (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289963#msg4289963) huh? How does that even avoid anything?
Second, you didn't even reply to her most pertinent point (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214) to your allegation back there (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4293685#msg4293685). Why didn't you, and what did you make of it, assuming you read over it.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 01:11:47 am
oh, and to head off the oncoming "don't read into the WIFOM" speech. I've heard it already, and know better than to read into the nightkills and such under normal circumstances. I've simply found other uses for the information and think it is useful to know how people think.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 04, 2013, 02:05:48 am
Do you want me to be serious?! Well, I wouldn't prefer it since it's in the rules...I have noticed that DARIUSH-KUN and VECOOSTER-SANKUN have been using excessive profanity. This is simply unacceptable in the classroom environment! Continued rule violation will deem worthy punishment!Seriously?
Well, goshdarnit all to heck.
Not great, but it's lower now.
Why are you praising something as clever that attempts to curb something that is already ineffective?
Jim- I don't disagree with some of your points there but, votes can be used for pressure and this did ot seem like a definitive vote. Why are you attacking someone for putting pressure on others?
If it's pressure, what over? What is telling Dariush he's a big poopoohead so he should be lynched going to reveal about him?
Passive aggressive- When I used this term I was referring to someone who acts aggressive and attacks people but is really lax and doesn't do to much with pushing. So I'll ask you again, could you list the top passive aggressive players here? Top three in order would be nice.
This is not the correct usage of this term.
Quote
Whoa MGS3 is so cool
This is pointless and off topic.
To all of you who participated, why? There's a place for off topic stuff, it's called the rest of the forum.
"Jim You are right. I shouldn't use others suspicions to back my own or even say anything closely related to them. From now on I shall only use ENTIRELY BRAND NEW ideas to attack people. Guess I'm not posting ever again."
Preferably if you're going to agree with somebody you'd take a bit of effort to make the attack your own somehow.
If all you do is agree with people then you're just blending in and not scumhunting. You know, scummy stuff.
"Hm... y'know... This is a relatively RP heavy game... Give me a while to think on this. I think I may have jumped ahead of myself."
Ha, hilarious. Tiruin asks you to expound on your case on Lenglon and you immediately start backtracking.
overall this has stopped being fun for me, and i'm debating between sticking this out and hoping things will get better, or just up and replacing already. from my perspective, i'm being attacked for RPing and a RP heavy game, which is quite simply dumb. I have no reason to hang around the subforum in general if all it is is anger and drop-dead seriousness. I play Games to have fun. and if there's no fun to be had...
If you're in it for the fun I think you're in the wrong game.
I can't say I have fun playing mafia games. I play (played) mafia because arguing and debating and confronting people is thrilling.
Post by: Dariush on June 04, 2013, 03:38:04 am
anyway, as you can see, although I do have content-less posts in there, on a per-day basis i'm one of the most active scumhunters of the people here. I'm just spreading it out over a bunch of little posts instead of one or two giant ones.
Every single one of deathsword's posts, quoted in fullHEY GUYS LOOK AT ME I AM NOT LURKING. THIS GUY HAS LESS POSTS THAN ME SO HE MUST BE SCUM. Scumhunting is measured in results, not in time or number of posts. Just because you spent so much time on a single person since the first real day doesn't net you any townie points. It does the opposite, actually.
I have noticed that DARIUSH-KUN and VECOOSTER-SANKUN have been using excessive profanity. This is simply unacceptable in the classroom environment! Continued rule violation will deem worthy punishment!We are not in a classroom, we are sitting in chairs playing Mafia. Or at least trying to, while
#[NQT] shudders at all the bickering and noise.Roleplaying aside, did you seriously vote me because I asked Solifuge to stop posting in pictures
"This one respectfully notes that until there is concrete evidence of bullying, we don't have any solid grounds for kicking people out of school. If we are to expel, let us expel the one who is most disruptive and inconsiderate. Dariush-yōgisha rudely insists that Soli-chan is hard to quote, when nothing could be easier. Whether we think Soli-chan is a bully or not, the cat's meow is easy to quote and Dariush-yōgisha is hardly hunting scum with this line of attack."
(I have to agree with Toaster and Tiruin Dariush, the pictures are easily quotable as you can just copy the picture to your desktop and then add it too your post. It seems rather simple to me. Your one of only two people who are finding the pictures annoying, and complaining about them doesn't get you anywhere so just stop and make a case not based around your personal hatred of Cat pictures.)
copy the picture to your desktop and then add it too your post(http://www.asianbite.com/photos/jackie-chan/jackie-chan-images_14807.jpg)
(UNVOTE and vote Lenglon, RPing is nice and all, but your getting ridiculous. Staying in character is fine, but the amount of time you spend making those excuses is staggering. In RL, IC, and in-game sense, you are stuttering and fumbling around like someone whos been backed into a corner with no escape, and has something that they want desperately to hide. Why do you spend a paragraph making an excuse when you could state very clearly your reasons for disagreeing? Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)Lol hipocrisy. Posting in pictures is completely okay (even going as far as FoSing the guy asking the poster to stop), but roleplaying is worthy of a vote. A fourth vote.
(Made all OOC due to not knowing how to phrase this in character.)
"Hm... y'know... This is a relatively RP heavy game... Give me a while to think on this. I think I may have jumped ahead of myself."'Jumped ahead of myself'. Really. While presenting your case in the format of a wall of text with carefully linked relevant posts of your target, on whom your vote is fifth. And you still haven't unvoted despite admitting to not thinking this through. And you didn't extend despite the day ending soon. Are you writing a guide 'How not to play as scum' or something?
I already said I do. If, however, it turned out that you're referring to a male player as his female persona, then I would have started detesting you even more.Lenglon is female. I asked her personally. If you already detest me, then be straight with it..sheesh. >_>DariushIn her (wait, is Lenglon actually female or are you referring to his female persona? Because if the latter, then my detestation of you just passed borders I previously thought impassable) words I saw shitcolors, shithonorifics and shitroleplaying. I think that is sufficient."What do you see in her words, then? Something? Nothing? What?""And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"Because trying to solve a well-made puzzle is way more interesting and fun than digging through colorful RPing vomit of teenage girls with inflated senses of self-opinion like you.
Post by: Tiruin on June 04, 2013, 05:19:57 am
Spoiler: Emotions >_> (click to show/hide)
How does it do the opposite? I see it as someone who's trying to push a point..blatant comparison aside, that part is true on scumhunting.anyway, as you can see, although I do have content-less posts in there, on a per-day basis i'm one of the most active scumhunters of the people here. I'm just spreading it out over a bunch of little posts instead of one or two giant ones.Every single one of deathsword's posts, quoted in fullHEY GUYS LOOK AT ME I AM NOT LURKING. THIS GUY HAS LESS POSTS THAN ME SO HE MUST BE SCUM. Scumhunting is measured in results, not in time or number of posts. Just because you spent so much time on a single person since the first real day doesn't net you any townie points. It does the opposite, actually.
However, its in the content that matters.
Lenglon: "What were you trying to achieve by that as said by our resident happy-face, Dariush? To prove via post number, or to put a point down via the content? Or something else perhaps?"
Shinigami:
"Seeing as you've known Lenglon for quite some time, what do you see about her? Read? What about her post-habits? Regardless of roleplaying, do you see anything else there?"
Post by: Dariush on June 04, 2013, 05:39:18 am
How does it do the opposite? I see it as someone who's trying to push a point..blatant comparison aside, that part is true on scumhunting.Because if you're town, you shouldn't just quote everything you ever said and thrust it out for everyone. Lots of posts is a nulltell. Bringing attention to lots of own posts is a scumtell.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 08:28:54 am
anyway, as you can see, although I do have content-less posts in there, on a per-day basis i'm one of the most active scumhunters of the people here. I'm just spreading it out over a bunch of little posts instead of one or two giant ones.Every single one of deathsword's posts, quoted in fullHEY GUYS LOOK AT ME I AM NOT LURKING. THIS GUY HAS LESS POSTS THAN ME SO HE MUST BE SCUM. Scumhunting is measured in results, not in time or number of posts. Just because you spent so much time on a single person since the first real day doesn't net you any townie points. It does the opposite, actually.
Lenglon: "What were you trying to achieve by that as said by our resident happy-face, Dariush? To prove via post number, or to put a point down via the content? Or something else perhaps?""I replayed everything deathsword-senpai had said because he hasn't been trying to find the bullies. the only time he has questioned anyone was the first time he said anything, and was just asking random people random questions."
"I replayed everything I had said because I thought people had lost perspective. I was being accused of inactivity, and of not questioning people. I thought that I needed to remind the people accusing me of the timelines involved, because the questions were there every period, just not every individual time I spoke."
(could someone link me to an explanation of how to use LurkerTracker? I haven't seen phantom in a while.)
Post by: Toaster on June 04, 2013, 08:45:20 am
Not directed at me, but IMO the rule of thumb is once a day.thank you, I now have a standard to work with.
Content is in the eye of the beholder. You can't quote up your own posts and say "See? I have content!"
anyway, as you can see, although I do have content-less posts in there, on a per-day basis i'm one of the most active scumhunters of the people here. I'm just spreading it out over a bunch of little posts instead of one or two giant ones.
This is not a good yardstick for comparison. In fact, trying to measure this won't get you anywhere. Put it this way- if multiple people think your scumhunting is insufficient, it probably is.
Jim:
Not great, but it's lower now.
Why are you praising something as clever that attempts to curb something that is already ineffective?
Because I like the idea.
If you're in it for the fun I think you're in the wrong game.
I can't say I have fun playing mafia games. I play (played) mafia because arguing and debating and confronting people is thrilling.
Sounds like you and Dariush need a hug! You're so cute when you're grumpy.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 08:59:21 am
when he presented his lynch case on me, he brought up several old issues that I had thought were resolved, he said I was active-lurking over and over, quoting statements that were within one or two hours of each other and treating them as though they were days apart, and he didn't address my previous question of him, which admittedly was just a question of why he was being so inactive, so I saw no point in pressing that issue. I already took apart his speech in detail, so I wont do that again, but in summary his lynch case on me was made quite lazilly, it contained nothing original and several old issues that I had already been asked about and answered. I found his choice of target quite convienent for him, since I was the only person who had questioned his activity so far, and in general it matched up with the scum methodology shown by him in BM XL. where he acts in the most directly beneficial way to him and ignores any risk of people picking up on this pattern because he assumes they won't ever try to read into the actions of others. he also never started a lynch case in there, but would quite happily join in on whatever case seemed the most popular at the time, which is exactly what happened here a well. In conclusion, I still think he is one of the bullies."
PPE:
Lenglon:"Uh, Toaster-senpai? why are you telling me over and over to just assume that the people accusing me are right, even when they arn't? you told me to assume ranger was right when he said I misquoted someone, which never happened, and you are telling me to assume the people accusing me of not looking for the bullies are right. Why do you keep telling me to just roll over and let people lie about me?"Not directed at me, but IMO the rule of thumb is once a day.thank you, I now have a standard to work with.
Content is in the eye of the beholder. You can't quote up your own posts and say "See? I have content!"anyway, as you can see, although I do have content-less posts in there, on a per-day basis i'm one of the most active scumhunters of the people here. I'm just spreading it out over a bunch of little posts instead of one or two giant ones.
This is not a good yardstick for comparison. In fact, trying to measure this won't get you anywhere. Put it this way- if multiple people think your scumhunting is insufficient, it probably is.
Post by: Solifuge on June 04, 2013, 09:04:42 am
Overall this has stopped being fun for me, and i'm debating between sticking this out and hoping things will get better, or just up and replacing already. from my perspective, i'm being attacked for RPing and a RP heavy game, which is quite simply dumb. I have no reason to hang around the subforum in general if all it is is anger and drop-dead seriousness. I play Games to have fun. and if there's no fun to be had...(http://i.imgur.com/yW3Nha9.jpg)
Spoiler: Lenglon (click to show/hide)
Solfuge: Why haven't you expressed a solid opinion on anything yet? Specifically, on anybody's alignment.(http://i.imgur.com/3vXZogy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UUfiZQm.jpg)
If you're in it for the fun I think you're in the wrong game.(http://i.imgur.com/10k5Kd8.jpg)
I can't say I have fun playing mafia games. I play (played) mafia because arguing and debating and confronting people is thrilling.
Post by: Tiruin on June 04, 2013, 09:20:29 am
"People are like that sometimes; first sentences catch the person's eye, and they work from thereon.
"Though, I do see how him bringing up old issues stand--he's stating things as if they were defined in stone without laying queries of his own down, or labeling ideas or statements just as they are without contextual or comparative references. Nothing for you to react to unless you take in declarative statements as something."
I'd like Deathsword to address this part as well as my query to him on that.
"Query for you, though. That answer of inactivity seems vastly different from when you were addressing Leafsnail: here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214) Unless I missed someone accusing you of being inactive..somehow."
"I replayed everything deathsword-senpai had said because he hasn't been trying to find the bullies. the only time he has questioned anyone was the first time he said anything, and was just asking random people random questions."
"I replayed everything I had said because I thought people had lost perspective. I was being accused of inactivity, and of not questioning people. I thought that I needed to remind the people accusing me of the timelines involved, because the questions were there every period, just not every individual time I spoke."
(could someone link me to an explanation of how to use LurkerTracker? I haven't seen phantom in a while.)
For brevity: Deathsword's Five posts!
1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284473#msg4284473)
2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4288935#msg4288935)
3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290837#msg4290837) -- Main Case. (#6 @ LurkerTracker)
4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4291224#msg4291224)
5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292971#msg4292971)
Added Query to DS: Why do you leave no questions for Lenglon to answer?
Spoiler: How to use Think's Lurkertracker: A simple guide (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 09:39:00 am
"Query for you, though. That answer of inactivity seems vastly different from when you were addressing Leafsnail: here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214) Unless I missed someone accusing you of being inactive..somehow.""It is different. That is because the answer you linked was addressed to leafsnail, and I was under the impression that he was trying to train me. Since it wasn't an attack, I saw no reason to respond as such. I instead simply took it as a prod to kick things up a notch, and didn't worry about if he was right or not. The reason my response has changed is because the intent surrounding the accusations has changed. These later accusations really were attacks, and I need to treat them as such. To be honest, I think that response is part of why Deathsword targeted me in the first place, since it gave him reason to think that I wouldn't defend myself." Lenglon looks over at Toaster again, but says nothing.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 09:45:50 am
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 10:05:59 am
Post by: Teneb on June 04, 2013, 01:04:50 pm
But let's begin.
This looks a lot like an OMGUS.-snip-Lenglon turns and stares in silence at Deathsword for five seconds before speaking.
Is that it? Is that all you've got Deathsword-senpai?
That is a hilariously scummy little stunt you just tried there you fool. Let's take this thing apart bit by bit, shall we?Nice attempt at emotinally discrediting my argument, but I'd prefer if people were more professional than that.
One could argue that by calling more agressive people jerks and abusive, you are being a jerk yourself. You are being quite harsh in your accusations of me being scum. But being a jerk is hardly scummy, nor is hipocrisy (as I said earlier). The point is that if Tiruin felt bothered by another player's attitute, she could easily handle that herself, instead of having someone look like her friend and defend her.Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself.This is quite frankly pathetic. The only time I defended Tiruin-sama in any way was when Jim-chan was being hurtful to her and wasn't even trying to scumhunt in the process. I haven't touched a single scumhunting-related accusation. I just plain don't like it when people are abusive jerks to each other. I have no intention of letting people be needlessly hurtful, period. I was quite clear on that at the time, and this entire accusation is quite frankly stupid.
I bolded a certain part. Why did you keep a vote only to poke fun at someone? Why not use it to pressure people? It is as if you knew you don't need to scumhunt. As if you already knew who is scum, and as such can play around with your vote instead of doing something useful with it. Regarding the rest of your accusations, agreeing with someone or sharing an opinion is hardly scummy, and if one doesn't feel the points were adressed appropriately, then they have the right to bring them up again.In fact, is accusations of being creepy and/or being a jerk your only vote-material? Your scumhunting questions are weak and few. You waste time calling people jerks or creeps and making you posts in pretty colours instead of, you know, finding the scum.My use of creepy has been reserved for Ford-senpai. And it is purely because he seems to be into bondage. I've explained this several times now, and I've been quite clear about it. Jerk has also been reserved for a specific use. I've only used it to describe persons who would use the situation we're in as an excuse to abuse another person. I've been quite clear on this as well. they are both irrelevant to my questions and my scumhunting techniques. Additionally, as I made perfectly clear earlier, I was reserving my vote for when I thought someone finally deserved it, and my only vote until now was to poke fun at Ford-senpai. this entire paragraph by Deathsword is nothing but regurgitated garbage from earlier discussions, and every single point in is has been answered before, several times in some cases. lets move on to the next part.
Part of this was already adressed above, but, tell me, how showing proof of what I've been accusing your of is bad? For that is what I did.now then, this would be far, far more interesting, if it contained any original thought or sign of you having actually listened to me when I was speaking. However, notice that all you have to say on the matter is that I am active-lurking. You repeat this accusation over and over, without any real relevance to my quotes, as though it is some kind of totem of righteousness. There is nothing real to be heard here that was not said far more productively by Leafsnail earlier.Spoiler: long (click to show/hide)
Once more appeals to emotion and attempts to discredit me. Also, why not just say "I disagree" (as some have said, before you accuse me of "regurgitating") instead of making some great block of text in which you say exactly the same thing in a round-about and emotionally-infused way? It could be a slip. It could be a smokescreen. Either way, it looks wierd and suspicious.This section here is particularly moronic. That statement was a reference to the beginning of the current BM, I was vague at the time and I refuse to go into detail now for the simple reason of the game is currently ongoing. for this reason, and because he is no longer in it, Shinigami-kun, could you please summarize the events I am referring to here? I would strongly prefer to use a different example, but I don't have many to draw upon I'm afraid.I-I-but-uh-but... ok, um, you know what? I-I'll, get back to you on that in a bit. I, um, I need to sit down and think over what people have been saying again if I'm going to have a chance at finding something that has slipped through the cracks. I think you're trying to help me here, I'm just a little, well, really a whole lot, lost right now. I don't think you actually think I'm one of the bullies, but that you think you need to vote for me to make me feel pressured to, well, improve. I mean, if you were actually looking for people who aren't saying anything, you'd be voting for Dariush-senpai or Phantom-san, right? so, um, thanks? could you tell me what's wrong with the questions I have asked? I really think that I'm, well, kind of useless early on like this. I know I need to be questioning people, but last time that I tried to ask people about minor, kind of meaningless, things, everyone got mad at me for it. I'm having trouble finding stuff that isn't minor right now, and I feel inadequate at questioning my seniors in general unless they do something that seems, well, really wrong. Still, if nothing else I should be able to question Shinigami-kun and Ranger-kun, right? I mean, I've talked to them a lot in the past, so I should be able to notice if they're hiding something, right? so, um, I'll see what I can do.Once more you ignore the point: Your "content" is merely fluff. It's just there. There is nothing to it. People got "mad" at you when you asked minor, irrelevant question exactly because of that: THEY DO NOT HELP FINDING SCUM.
[Lenglon takes a couple deep breaths, then walks over to Shinigami-kun
Shinigami-kun, you knew there would be a lot to listen to when you registered for school. that's kinda how it works. you've never been scared of this before. Why are you scared now? you've been acting differently from how I've seen you act in the past, and it worries me, because in the past you were, or at least I thought you were, not any kind of bully.
Lenglon next goes over to Ranger-kun
Hey, Ranger-kun? I, well, to be blunt, I don't like you normally, but you've been a lot more helpful this time. Um, why?
However, I've shifted off-topic. the reason this is moronic is I have not been attacked for pressuring people about meaningless things this game at all. The only person who even approched that was Leafsnail-senpai, and Leafsnail-senpai is the person that quote was addressed to. the entire basis of this accusation is fraudulent, and the accusation itself is nothing but another cry of active-lurking. now then, to continue with this joke of a speech.
Suspcion? All you stated before I posted was that you thought I was lurking. That was it. Just that. No thought to it? Leafsnail himself stated it was far more fleshed out than any of his posts on the topic. Needlesly long? So is your post. Emotionally imposing? It's not. It's extremely objective with a bit of snark thrown in. Your rp-filled orchid wall, however, is quite emotional. Also I love the fact that you claim I OMGUS'd you (how could I even OMGUS you? You weren't voting me. You weren't attacking me!) in the same post you do an OMGUS. I've lost count of how many times people try to paint me as big bad scum. Nearly every game someone tries to pull it off. It didn't work then. It won't work now. You also have yet to see me angry. The tone in any of my posts was neutral at worst.Then, unsurprisingly, more fluff:This is, again, a frivolous repeat of statements that have been said earlier, and better, by other people.(re-read done, and sadly the main things that sticks out to me is low activity from phantom, dariush, deathsword, and griffonday, as well as a lack of pressure from solifuge. i've probably missed a lot >.>)Also, be more clear about who you are talking about/to.
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?
Now that I've covered each part of that speech individually, let me point out what is truely damning about this, and why I believe that you, Deathsword-senpai, are one of the bullies among us. First, that attack had very suspicious timing. So far I am the only person who has voiced any suspicion towards you, and your attack came right after I did so. Sceondly, There was absolutely no individual thought in the entire thing. Every single thing you mentioned had been brought up before by someone else. Thirdly, it was needlessly long. You attempted to make it look more imposing by stretching out the length, and including issues that were very, very weak. Fourth, it was angry, you attempted to be emotionally imposing, and inspire others to join in on your lynch attempt, and terrorize me into falling apart before it. Overall, that post was nothing but an attempt to join in on Leafsnail-senpai's accusations, an attempt to avoid suspicion being drawn towards you, a lazy case, built on the shoulders of other people's work, without any actual work or thought, quite simply, that pathetic failure of an OMGUS bandwagon mislynch attempt is clear evidence of the fact that you are one of the bullies here Deathsword-senpai, and I look forward to your expulsion.
"um, Neko-senpai? you didn't answer my question. and I had answered yours before you'd asked it. why'd you bother? to repeat myself, at the time, I hadn't found as many things that seemed suspicious as everyone else had, and felt clueless as a result. I don't feel that way anymore though." Lenglon glares for a second at Deathsword-senpai.[snark]I am unfazed by your stares[/snark]
Deathsword?- Once again, I think this was you.Lenglon, for active lurking, not actually scumhunting and only really attacking the first person to truly pressure her. NQT is on this as well, altough less active and more lurking. Dariush should stop just insulting people and instead scumhunt while insulting people.
Passive aggressive- When I used this term I was referring to someone who acts aggressive and attacks people but is really lax and doesn't do to much with pushing. So I'll ask you again, could you list the top passive aggressive players here? Top three in order would be nice.
This is... I actually don't even know why this is in a non-BM game. This is basically what scum does when they are cornered and don't know how to work their way out. The fact that you are angry (as is obvious in this quote to anyone with half a brain cell) means that it affected you. On a personal level. That is a slip, a big one actually. You reacted badly to being called scum, which means there is probably something to it. Town wouldn't care about being called scum since they know they are not. Scum would, for they know themselves to be scum.Lenglon-Scum: misquoting... i think it was leafsnailRanger: (This is a baldfaced lie, show me the proof you scum.)
Tiruin, I believe you've asked where Lenglon hasn't scumhunted. Since she loves pointing earlier stuff in the thread as sacred and holy, maybe I can do the same to answer your query:
"Still working on that one because y'know... Life gets in the way and I have other things that need done.
I'll admit... I wrote that down around 2 hours earlier so I should have erased it but... No dice. My apologies."
@Lenglon
A few content-less posts are fine here and there. I went through and hit around three to five in a row on you.
Do you have any examples of "old, clearly resolved issues"? Still I notice that these posts [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292110#msg4292110)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292161#msg4292161)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4292263#msg4292263) are devoid of scumhunting.I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?(also suspicious timing, I had just mentioned that he was being idle, and nobody else had voiced any suspicions against him. also stretching, he brought up a lot of old, clearly resolved, issues, and presented them as his own. in general, he isn't hunting on his own, thinking on his own, or in fact presenting anything new whatsoever. he's just repeating anything he can find that might remotely incriminate me, and not actually researching any of the arguments he's bringing up. he's then presenting this garbage as a lynch case, with no questions in it. that is lazy, unproductive, and he should know far, far better. he is scum attempting to cause a mislynch.)
As for your question regarding the lack of questions in the post that made her flip out, as seen it didn't need any to get a reaction out of her.
Look, Deathsword-senpai has spoken a total of four times since school started. the first time was early on, and while everyone was asking random questions of each other, where he answered some questions and asked a few of his own. the second time was much later, and was simply him saying that he had lost track of the discussion and needed time to catch up. the third time was when he presented his case for why he thought I was a bully. and finally his fourth post was a content-less statement that he wouldn't be active for yet another day.The game has been going on for 7/8 days (not entirely sure and not in the mood to count). I have posted, counting this one, 6 times. One of the 2 times I didn't post was a saturday, thus a weekend. Thus, if you exclude weekends as game-time, I posted exactly one time per day.
Lenglon, in addition to the many accusations in this post, it has been pointed out that you are going "Look at how active I am!" "This is activity!", which again adds to the point that you are scum. I also hope you take into consideration that it took me more than one hour to type this post, and not dismiss it as "overly long"
And thus ends my biggest post ever.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 02:42:29 pm
First, it's fine to go ahead and post a wall of text, as long as there's some actual variation or meaning to it. I just dont like it when you say the same thing over and over and over to various different quotes. if you think a bunch of different quotes all say the same thing, then group them, spoiler them, and then respond to them as that group.
Second, congratulations on your third post all game with any actual content. now then, lets take a looksie. one content-containing post on the weekend, one today, and one at game start, that still leaves three weekdays with no content.
Third, why did you list NQT as a lurker, but not Phantom?
Fourth, why are you nitpicking your quote choices? dont get me wrong, everything you're quoting is correctly quoted, but you're taking quite a bit out of context. for example:
I'll split this into the intresting parts.Lenglon you are active lurking. You are clearly trying to avoid any sort of hostile attention by being meek as hell."Ok, um, first of all, if I wanted to avoid drawing attention, I'd simply not post. Secondly, you're saying that I've not posted any actual content, which is patently untrue. Thirdly, if you're trying to gauge scumminess by activity level, I'm by no means the person who has posted the least content. I dont think the simple amount of content people are posting is a good sign of who the scum are during this stage of the game, but I'd expect you to at least be consistent in applying your scumhunting system, whatever it may be."[/i]Ok, um, first of all, if I wanted to avoid drawing attention, I'd simply not post.Lurking will actually attract quite a lot of attention. You know what makes you not be noticed? Active-lurking. Posting a lot of fluff with no real meat in it. Like you.Secondly, you're saying that I've not posted any actual content, which is patently untrueReally? Where is the proof of that then? RP doesn't count as content if it doesn't involve finding scum, by the way, especially since this is not a true bastard.Thirdly, if you're trying to gauge scumminess by activity level, I'm by no means the person who has posted the least content. I dont think the simple amount of content people are posting is a good sign of who the scum are during this stage of the game, but I'd expect you to at least be consistent in applying your scumhunting system, whatever it may be.Let me repeat myself: you are active-lurking. To active lurk is to say a lot of things that mean absolutely nothing. To RP and buddy and looking busy without actually doing any real work. As Leafsnail said, you are attempting a deflection. Real town simply wouldn't care and instead scumhunt.
This rather large work here is pretty much nothing but calling me an active lurker over and over, yet the post the quote comes from contains answers to questions by shinigami and ford, as well as questions of my own for shinigami and dariush, and an accusation to you of lurking. if you want to call me an active lurker using that quote, you need to show how the entire post isn't productive, not just one small section of it where I'm answering someone else's questions.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 02:47:48 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 02:56:47 pm
Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?You also took until today to even remotely address my lurking accusation to you. Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?
Post by: Teneb on June 04, 2013, 03:21:00 pm
Deathsword, speaking of nitpicking, I noticed that you didn't even address this question from Tiruin:I believe the answer to Tiruin's question is within that wall of text, even if I haven't specifically pointed it out. As for your second accusation, I have been busy. Extremely so. I'm swamped in tests, hard ones. I even had one today. So I simply cannot be posting at all times. If you can (and it seems that way), good for you. I can't.Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?You also took until today to even remotely address my lurking accusation to you. Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 03:23:37 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 04, 2013, 03:27:38 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 04, 2013, 03:34:15 pm
Post by: Solifuge on June 04, 2013, 04:32:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png) Extend (http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
Post by: Captain Ford on June 04, 2013, 04:59:46 pm
PFP - Right now I'm playing catchup. Also been pouring a lot of time into the Great Temple because it's in the endgame stage and ... stuff.
Umm...what do I need to elaborate on? If the lynch was used on someone who is unlynchable, then it does nothing, and the bullies get a free night kill.I'm actually unlynchable as well as having no vote. I didn't realize that meant I couldn't be voted at all, but I'm glad because that means the lynch won't be wasted on me.This is probably one of those things you should elaborate on.
Recent experience has taught me that I can't count on people to not lynch the unlynchable guy (even myself).
Ford, why did you wait to claim your... independence from votes until you were called out on it?Part of it is because of what NQT pulled in Magic Mafia. That was hugely disruptive to scumhunting and I don't want to see it again.
Also the Great Temple has taught me that claiming early and often doesn't gain you any credit whatsoever, so I don't see any reason to give up what little information I have so early on.
I thought you forgot you were unlynchable.I forgot I couldn't vote. I didn't forget I was unlynchable (how could I?)
"Very interesting. So we can't boot you out of here, nor can you boot anyone else out, huh. I believe you've an ulterior motive given that idea, or you're just a bully with a fair disguise." Meaning: Some king of unlynchable bully..though I find it hard to believe (but that annoying case of VECTOR WAS UN-NK-ABLE BUT SCUM in one of the Mafia games now weigh on my suspicions) but I still find it hard to believe. Third-party, perhaps..I really would rather you judge me on my actions than on my claim. I haven't claimed enough for you to make an informed judgment based solely on my claim.
"Unvote. Hmm, judging by that side comment to Cado-kun, you're pretty confident, huh. How are you going to use your..immunity as a benefit to finding them bullies? How are you going to act when in school, hmm? Any difference?"I said that to RangerCado because I found it intensely humorous that he asked me that question when I was 100% guaranteed to not be lynched.
I certainly hope to do a better job than IronyOwl did in Prince's Guard, although I don't have the benefit of being known town like he did, I do have total immunity.
"Also, where'd Cado say such? He's doubting you'd be making it here tomorrow?"Was an RVS question (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4284506#msg4284506).
"Ford-san's case seems really intriguing. As we've got lots of time, I'm wondering if others share the same basis, particularly those who haven't voted yet..I'll just keep a list to be sure."I'm very certain I'm the only one who's like me. If you do find someone else who can't vote or be voted, then it is entirely unrelated to me.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 04, 2013, 05:12:23 pm
Interesting, you nitpicked a single aspect of my nitpicking accusation. I don't if I should be laughing or crying right now.I believe Deathsword completely answered your question. What specifically do you think he missed?
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 05:30:46 pm
I believe Deathsword completely answered your question. What specifically do you think he missed?
My quoted accusation had three parts:
Deathsword, speaking of nitpicking, I noticed that you didn't even address this question from Tiruin:I believe the answer to Tiruin's question is within that wall of text, even if I haven't specifically pointed it out. As for your second accusation, I have been busy. Extremely so. I'm swamped in tests, hard ones. I even had one today. So I simply cannot be posting at all times. If you can (and it seems that way), good for you. I can't.Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?You also took until today to even remotely address my lurking accusation to you. Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?
1)Deathsword didn't address the quoted question from Tiruin. (he did address a question from tiruin, but not the quoted one, the quoted one is not answered in his wall of text, despite his claim. I do agree that he addressed this question, even though his statement was wrong)
2)Deathsword took until today to address my lurking accusation (answered, I don't believe him, specifically I think it's a half-truth, but his answer was a perfectly good one and I don't intend to push him on it further.)
and finally the part he didn't answer:
3)
Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?this was ignored completely.
he also ignored my question about why he listed NQT as lurking and the more drawn-out nitpicking accusation in the large post above my small ones.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 05:42:06 pm
anyways, the reason I said that he nitpicked a single aspect instead of two of them was I wasn't counting his failure to answer tiruin's question as an answer. in retrospect that does technically count because he mentioned it.
Post by: Griffionday on June 04, 2013, 06:35:40 pm
Probably request replacement
I'm sorry guys, this seems like it will be an awesome game (although I find it funny no-ones talked about the night rules yet...) and I REALLY wish I could actually play. But no, finals are upon me; and alas, I don't have enough time to play two games. This game has just begun so a replace here will be less disrupting than one in the BM.
So unless you'd be willing to tolerate my continued lurking until next Thursday I must request a replacement. Sorry to disappoint, and I hope to get to play a game with all of you later.
Good luck.
Post by: Solifuge on June 04, 2013, 07:07:19 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 04, 2013, 07:19:14 pm
"Zombie-san, I picked those people pretty much at random. The only thing not random about who i picked was that i picked 2 for each calcification we have for our reads. And no i don't think i'm lying, why do you ask?" (I'm never gonna be allowed to forget magic mafia will i?)
(We got enough for an extension Solifuge)
Post by: notquitethere on June 04, 2013, 07:30:50 pm
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 07:39:54 pm
Zombie-san,(Shinigami translates better as the Grim Reaper)
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
I dont want to answer this.
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Yes
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
Yes
Post by: RangerCado on June 04, 2013, 07:45:02 pm
Post by: Griffionday on June 04, 2013, 07:53:18 pm
Aww... Night 1 is almost here, and Jim was filling in for a week for Vector. Maybe you could get a temporary replacement too, if you still want to play? :\
If someone would be willing too... Possibly griffinpup and I could both play the same character (simultaneously)? We get confused for each-other enough.
Post by: notquitethere on June 04, 2013, 07:57:25 pm
Possibly griffinpup and I could both play the same character (simultaneously)? We get confused for each-other enough.(You should form a mafia triumvirate with Griffpup and GlyphGriff.)
Post by: ToonyMan on June 04, 2013, 08:10:16 pm
Toony, I know that you do regular vote counts but could you do one now? I think some things have changed and I'm not sure what exactly is going on. I would like to have enough time to look at what is going on before today's lynch seeing as I'm pretty sure we aren't going to go through with the extend at this rate.I've done one every day so far so don't worry.
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffionday -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Notquitethere
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(1)Shinigami_King - Griffonday
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(1)Notquitethere - Vecooster
(4)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, RangerCado, Nerjin
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(3)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, Tiruin
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, Zombie Urist
Nerjin, Shinigami_King, Tiruin, RangerCado, Leafsnail, Lenglon, Zombie Urist, Solifuge, Captain Ford, and Griffionday have requested an extension. 10/16 is over 50%, it has passed.
Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 6/5 at 11 PM EST.
Probably request replacementAnybody willing to hold the mantle for a week? Webadict? Any of the people in The Replacements?
I'm sorry guys, this seems like it will be an awesome game (although I find it funny no-ones talked about the night rules yet...) and I REALLY wish I could actually play. But no, finals are upon me; and alas, I don't have enough time to play two games. This game has just begun so a replace here will be less disrupting than one in the BM.
So unless you'd be willing to tolerate my continued lurking until next Thursday I must request a replacement. Sorry to disappoint, and I hope to get to play a game with all of you later.
Good luck.
Also, I am sending out everybody's silhouettes tonight.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 04, 2013, 08:29:28 pm
LS- If you feel happy with a lenglon lynch, why are you extending? Are you trying to make those who want to extend pleased?I'd like to give everyone to weigh in on his lynch.
overall this has stopped being fun for me, and i'm debating between sticking this out and hoping things will get better, or just up and replacing already. from my perspective, i'm being attacked for RPing and a RP heavy game, which is quite simply dumb. I have no reason to hang around the subforum in general if all it is is anger and drop-dead seriousness. I play Games to have fun. and if there's no fun to be had...You're characterising the attacks on you in this way, but I don't think it's accurate. There are other players like Solifuge who are also roleplaying pretty hard, but who aren't being attacked for it.
To add to Leafsnail, What's wrong with being 'meek as hell', (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289963#msg4289963) huh? How does that even avoid anything?If you state your opinions clearly then you are likely to get into fights and attract attention. If you act meek and passive then you are not. Avoiding attention is something highly desirable for mafia members, and they don't care about the downside to being meek (totally ineffective scumhunting) while town players do.
Second, you didn't even reply to her most pertinent point (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214) to your allegation back there (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4293685#msg4293685). Why didn't you, and what did you make of it, assuming you read over it.Yeah I didn't read it because it was a huge awkward wall of purple text.
It starts with a deflection to lurkers, again missing the point of active lurking as an allegation. The rest of it seems to be an attempt to buddy me, or stuff I feel I have already adequately responded to.
If you're in it for the fun I think you're in the wrong game.It's like debating only ad-hominem attacks are totally valid. What's not to love?
I can't say I have fun playing mafia games. I play (played) mafia because arguing and debating and confronting people is thrilling.
(http://i.imgur.com/3vXZogy.jpg)I think even if you put together a fantastic case it's gonna struggle due to sheer lack of time. Why not try and put something together now?
(http://i.imgur.com/UUfiZQm.jpg)
And you kindof called Lenglon town, but if you lack any real scum suspects that still strikes me as a lack of solid reads.
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?We have no method of enforcing a curfew, so it'd be pointless to restrict our actions like that.
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?Yeah - it'd allow scum to work out which house corresponds to which person and thus target people.
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?I'm pretty sure that's why the mechanic is there.
Post by: RangerCado on June 04, 2013, 08:47:00 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 04, 2013, 08:57:12 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 04, 2013, 08:59:04 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 04, 2013, 09:01:28 pm
...having fun...
You wouldn't.
Shinigami:
"Seeing as you've known Lenglon for quite some time, what do you see about her? Read? What about her post-habits? Regardless of roleplaying, do you see anything else there?"
Wait, are there a bunch of kids from the same
#[NQT] passes questionnaires out to the other students...
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
UR SCUM
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
NO REALY
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
WHEN R U ANWSER MY QUESITONS SCUMFAEC
Did I get a 100%?
Solifuge: May I remind you once again of the deadline:
Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 6/5 at 11 PM EST.
Or, you know, tomorrow.
At some point you're going to have to quit dawdling and actually make a case against somebody.
Post by: RangerCado on June 04, 2013, 09:13:45 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 04, 2013, 09:23:24 pm
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?No, I believe that figuring out who lives in what house is crucial to winning the game. It's worth noting that the rules indicate that you will find out who the house belongs to whether or not they are there at the time. Everyone who isn't doing something more important should visit someone else's house.
...I hope there aren't any traps around. O_o
But I still think the exploration is worth it.
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?Yeah. It would allow bullies to identify you.
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?Yep. Of course, all they have to do is aim for any house that doesn't belong to a bully.
And Ranger beat me to the punch, but here we go:
Now why didja ask these questions, punk?
Post by: notquitethere on June 04, 2013, 09:40:23 pm
What the hell."Hmm... I'm sorry I missed responding to this[(I probably read it late at night and forgot it by the morning)]. Dariush-yōgisha was only being abrasive and not constructive. In contrast to what you're doing right now, which is to be abrasive and constructive at the same time.
What the fuck is this.
Lynching someone because he's an abrasive jackass and doesn't like something is an utterly fucking unacceptable reason for a vote.
You better have some expert fucking elaboration on this point, and it better be so goddamned good that it's going to turn my anger right the fuck around and put a bright, shining smile on my face as I nod along in strong agreement, because otherwise, you're lazier goddamn scum than Nerjin.
You know what?
Have a little impetus.
notquitethere.
"Also, it is worth pointing out that while my vote has weight enough to pressure, it's not yet an evict-from-school vote (like a vote on Nerjin-san or Lenglon-kun would be at this stage).
"I'm saying, with my vote, that I'd like to see more constructive use of the indomitable rage. Is this a problem?
"Will you answer my questionaire properly now please?"
#[NQT] bows respectfully to Ranger and Ford after they hand back their forms.
"I just want to make sure we're on the same page. I never suggested we should say where we live and I don't know why you would mention that.
"Initially, I didn't think it would matter if the bullies knew our shadows: they probably don't care who they bully-- but it's probably best to play it safe and not give away too much.
"Like I have said before, I think we should sleep at other people's houses every night for our own safety and, of course, so we can find out more about our fellow students.
"If you think it helps bullies too much, you can refuse to answer questions like Lenglon-kun has. How does the information help bullies exactly? I can only see benefits to good students if we know broadly what the normal behavior of our fellows is going to look like."
Post by: Captain Ford on June 04, 2013, 09:43:28 pm
I would....having fun...You wouldn't.
From Noon to Midnight baby.
And I never rolled above 10.
Post by: griffinpup on June 04, 2013, 09:48:02 pm
+1 That would be quite fun. :DAww... Night 1 is almost here, and Jim was filling in for a week for Vector. Maybe you could get a temporary replacement too, if you still want to play? :\
If someone would be willing too... Possibly griffinpup and I could both play the same character (simultaneously)? We get confused for each-other enough.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 04, 2013, 09:49:57 pm
I'd gladly sub in for Griffionday for about a week.Okay. You are now Griffion...just Griffion.
Post by: Toaster on June 04, 2013, 09:58:33 pm
Apologies for missing Monday. I was busy having fun with RL friends.
NO FUN ALLOWED
Umm...what do I need to elaborate on? If the lynch was used on someone who is unlynchable, then it does nothing, and the bullies get a free night kill.
Recent experience has taught me that I can't count on people to not lynch the unlynchable guy (even myself).
Permanently? Today only? Conditionally? If you're going to claim unlynchable, you ought to be more specific.
NQT:
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
1. "Should town avoid using their roles while scum do it anyway Y/N" (Hint: No)
2. Probably. More importantly, is there any benefit?
3. I doubt it. Do you expect them to have an "enter house, kill all occupants" power?
Also, allow me to cite the OP:
3. I frown on mass-claiming early on. I'll try to develop a system where mass-claiming D1 won't work but there's nothing I can do to stop players besides frown and maybe penalize them. Don't do it.
Jimmy John (http://www.jimmyjohns.com/): Why is Solifuge suspect for having no vote while ZU and Ford are equally guilty of that?
Post by: zombie urist on June 04, 2013, 10:16:43 pm
"Zombie-san, I picked those people pretty much at random. The only thing not random about who i picked was that i picked 2 for each calcification we have for our reads. And no i don't think i'm lying, why do you ask?" (I'm never gonna be allowed to forget magic mafia will i?)Then you must think Lenglon is lying about misquoting someone. Why aren't you doing anything about it? What about magic mafia?
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?No. Power roles should use their powers.
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
Possibly. Toony said that D1 claims were designed to be useless and frowned upon. (PPE'd by Toaster)
Makes sense flavor-wise.
Why are you referring to yourself with the #[NQT]?
"Also, it is worth pointing out that while my vote has weight enough to pressure, it's not yet an evict-from-school vote (like a vote on Nerjin-san or Lenglon-kun would be at this stage).Yeah. Its wayyy to late in the day for pressure votes.
"I'm saying, with my vote, that I'd like to see more constructive use of the indomitable rage. Is this a problem?
ZU: You're missing out on a lot--I'm guessing its due to activity, what's your idea on the current situation?Sometimes it feels like Lenglon's playing an entirely different game. ???
Leafsnail:
You're answering a completely different question. Which ones are most/least valid, not favorite.How about you?Favourite tell: commenting on the validity of a case against someone while specifically avoiding talking about the person themselves.
Least favourite: "flailing", ie getting panicked, angry or illogical when driven into a corner. It is basically never a valid tell (there was a statistical analysis that suggested the person who accuses someone of it is usually mafia though).
Jimmy John: Why is Solifuge suspect for having no vote while ZU and Ford are equally guilty of that?Seriously? I just unvoted and Ford has no vote.
Also that link almost crashed my browser. :(
Mod: PotL should probably be prodded.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 04, 2013, 10:19:15 pm
Mod: PotL should probably be prodded.Prod being sent.
Post by: Toaster on June 04, 2013, 10:21:10 pm
Jimmy John: Why is Solifuge suspect for having no vote while ZU and Ford are equally guilty of that?Seriously? I just unvoted and Ford has no vote.
Also that link almost crashed my browser. :(
Hurp durp. Can the Ford part then.
Also, no idea on that. It's a sub shop website that should be totally legit.
Ford: If you could vote, who would your vote be on?
Post by: RangerCado on June 04, 2013, 10:29:30 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 04, 2013, 10:35:11 pm
Why are you referring to yourself with the #[NQT]?"This is my gender neutral student number. You are student #26-21, [ZU] after all."
Student #14-17-20 [NQT] slips in almost unnoticed. A few inconsiderate classmates jibe and jeer, but #[NQT] is unphased and answers back in a quiet, calm voice.
Yeah. Its wayyy to late in the day for pressure votes."That you're voting to have me evicted for a linguistic eccentricity (we're too late in the day for pressure votes, so you say) is absurd and incredibly suspicious. My linguistic conceit is not a suspendable offence, but making spurious or hypocritical attacks might just well be, eh Zombie-san?"
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 04, 2013, 10:39:17 pm
"Hmm... I'm sorry I missed responding to this[(I probably read it late at night and forgot it by the morning)]. Dariush-yōgisha was only being abrasive and not constructive. In contrast to what you're doing right now, which is to be abrasive and constructive at the same time.
"Also, it is worth pointing out that while my vote has weight enough to pressure, it's not yet an evict-from-school vote (like a vote on Nerjin-san or Lenglon-kun would be at this stage).
"I'm saying, with my vote, that I'd like to see more constructive use of the indomitable rage. Is this a problem?
This story is not believable.
So you're voting for Dariush, but you wouldn't lynch him for being abrasive and not constructive. At least not yet.
It sounds like you hardly suspect him. Which, naturally, raises the question of who you suspect, since you have yet to form an opinion on a player besides Dariush in a way that convinces me that you're actually interested in finding scum.
"Will you answer my questionaire properly now please?"
#[NQT] passes questionnaires out to the other students...
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?UR SCUM
NO
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?NO REALY
YEH PROBLY BUT NOT AS MUCH AS PEEPHOLE ARE SAYIN
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?WHEN R U ANWSER MY QUESITONS SCUMFAEC
I DUNNO PROBOBABLY NOT
What were the point of these questions? Oh, right. You just explained it, but it looks just as useless and worthless as your pressure vote on Dariush.
You're scum making overtures of productivity.
PPE:
"That you're voting to have me evicted for a linguistic eccentricity (we're too late in the day for pressure votes, so you say) is absurd and incredibly suspicious. My linguistic conceit is not a suspendable offence, but making spurious or hypocritical attacks might just well be, eh Zombie-san?"
Well, no doubt about it now.
Jimmy John (http://www.jimmyjohns.com/): Why is Solifuge suspect for having no vote while ZU and Ford are equally guilty of that?
zombie urist and Captain Ford aren't repeatedly mentioning with their kawaii cats how they need time to make a decision, while time is running out. PPE: Also, what zombie urist said. In particular, zombie urist has voted and formed an opinion on someone while Solifuge has yet to do either.
And it wasn't an accusation... yet. More of a reminder to hurry up and get his butt in gear. I want to see something from him soon, or he's completely full of it.
Do you have an opinion on a player besides me?
What about your reads on notquitethere, Nerjin, and Lenglon?
Post by: zombie urist on June 04, 2013, 11:03:21 pm
Also, no idea on that. It's a sub shop website that should be totally legit.Its working now. Sadly there are no locations within 15 miles of where I live.
I don't know what this means.Yeah. Its wayyy to late in the day for pressure votes."That you're voting to have me evicted for a linguistic eccentricity (we're too late in the day for pressure votes, so you say) is absurd and incredibly suspicious. My linguistic conceit is not a suspendable offence, but making spurious or hypocritical attacks might just well be, eh Zombie-san?"
Post by: Solifuge on June 04, 2013, 11:34:53 pm
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
(http://i.imgur.com/oD8JtIL.jpg)
Jimmy John (http://www.jimmyjohns.com/): Why is Solifuge suspect for having no vote while ZU and Ford are equally guilty of that?
zombie urist and Captain Ford aren't repeatedly mentioning with their kawaii cats how they need time to make a decision, while time is running out. PPE: Also, what zombie urist said. In particular, zombie urist has voted and formed an opinion on someone while Solifuge has yet to do either.
</catmode>
This is fair, so I should explain:
- My personal challenge is to render all my content-having posts as Visual Novel screencaps. It's more effort, but it's too absurd and fun to stop now.
- I'm still finishing up a Mafia that won't die. It's tough for me to mentally switch between games, and most of my focus has been on the other one.
- Month changes are always a busy time for me, between finishing up work projects, running errands, etc. It's leveling out now, though.
Post by: Lenglon on June 04, 2013, 11:47:35 pm
"Zombie-senapi: could you please tell me what you think of Deathsword-senpai, and where I have mistepped in making my case against him? well, beyond the mistake of losing my temper last period. that was shameful."
"I.. I think I have composed myself since that shameful display last period, but I'm worried that my perspective has been comprimised. I'll go ahead and review today's events, and try to have something more productive soon." (soon here means in the next three hours)
Lenglon moves to a corner of the room, takes her tape recorder out of her pocket, and holds it to her ear while taking notes on the back of an old homework assignment.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 12:20:17 am
#[NQT] passes questionnaires out to the other students...
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
Probably not. As it seems a bit unsafe. I assume most people have a role power in this assumption because... I dunno all the sillouettes seem to indicate that we're all "~Special~" in some way. I could be wrong though. SO if that's the case I'm guessing that leaving your own house is the only way to activate your power. Again I don't know for sure.
Quote
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Yes because Toony said in the OP that he'd probably penalize mass-claims early on.
Quote
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?I doubt it. If they need to know where you live they're pretty ineffective... Granted that could be the case I find it more likely they need to get you alone or something. But again I'm not sure.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 12:35:59 am
QuoteIs it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?I doubt it. If they need to know where you live they're pretty ineffective... Granted that could be the case I find it more likely they need to get you alone or something. But again I'm not sure.Quote
(This sounds really creepy if you think about it... I've been hanging around Shinigami too long)
(What is with this thing and hating me trying to quote things!!!
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 02:29:33 am
Toaster: are you seriously just going to vote jim/vector and leave it there all day? I thought it was an amusing joke at first, but the day's nearly over and you still have an RVS vote lying around. If you have an actual case on him, please present it.
Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?
NQT and Solifuge: the day ends tomorrow, and neither of you appear to be building cases right now. Time's running out and if you have any final questions for me I'd like to actually have a chance to answer them.
Jim/Vector: I think i'm going to be lynched tomorrow. what information should I try to post at the last second before all I have left is a bah post? reads, claims, etc?
Leafsnail: I am sorry that I was stupid enough to admit to what I thought you were doing. not much else I can say on the matter.
Ranger: In my re-read, it seemed your main gripe with me was that I was long-winded. Is that still true? Additionally, if there are any posts you would like for me to give you a short summary of, could you please link me to them.
Griff: Could you tell me what your read is of Leafsnail and why?
Post by: Dariush on June 05, 2013, 02:46:06 am
(Anyone else just recieve their silhouette? (man i was way off with my guess)Cado, explain the purpose of this post. Why did you ask this publicly? To paint yourself as town due to receiving a silhouette?
This is fair, so I should explain:HOLY SHIT SOLIFUGE CAN SPEAK LIKE A NORMAL MAN AND NOT LIKE A BRAIN-DAMAGED AUTIST TODDLER. REJOICE, CHRISTENDOM.Important part is, I don't want to do a half-arsed vote when I haven't yet done a real read... and some of these posts (particularly Lenglon's) are huge to the point that they exceed the forum character limit. Which is insane. I will vote before the day's end, though. As it sits, I don't suspect I'll be bringing tons of new material to the table; folks like you (Jim) and Leafsnail have already said things I was going to. We'll see once I've combed things over again.
- My personal challenge is to render all my content-having posts as Visual Novel screencaps. It's more effort, but it's too absurd and fun to stop now.
- I'm still finishing up a Mafia that won't die. It's tough for me to mentally switch between games, and most of my focus has been on the other one.
- Month changes are always a busy time for me, between finishing up work projects, running errands, etc. It's leveling out now, though.
So, you can waste time on roleplaying and VNifyng your posts (including a brand-new image for answering NQT), but you don't have time for a read or scumhunting. You know, the activities that actually make up the bulk of Mafia. Also, and here I'm going to refer to an unfinished game but I don't care, you can post huge WoTs in Great Temple with links to posts you couldn't have gathered without a careful reread of the longest game on this board but here you didn't even drop a vote. Someone is activelurking scum, and this someone is you.
NQT, your questions are bullshit. Other people have elaborated on this, so I won't.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 05, 2013, 03:48:56 am
Jim/Vector: I think i'm going to be lynched tomorrow. what information should I try to post at the last second before all I have left is a bah post? reads, claims, etc?
Yeah, those are all good ideas, if you want.
Your reads will probably be ignored; if they're not making waves now they won't just because you died. Your claim will get a little more attention, but since you haven't done anything with it yet it will likely be irrelevant and it won't save you. Your claims and reads are all you really have, so that's all you can really post.
The best strategy when you're about to get lynched is to keep on fighting, but you might get tired of trying and people might tire of hearing what you have to say. It really depends on how convincing you can be, and how much effort you want to put into it given that you might not be successful.
The difference is only a single vote and the deadline is tomorrow night (if you live in the Americas). It's a tough situation, but not a hopeless one.
Post by: notquitethere on June 05, 2013, 05:31:19 am
I don't know what this means.
#[NQT] occasionally forgets about having the privilege of a large vocabulary from years of extracurricular reading.
"Zombie-san, I'll rephrase what I said in simpler words.
"It seems silly and 'scummy' to vote for me just for how I write my name. Usually, I wouldn't take it too seriously but you just said that it is too late for pressure votes. If it is too late for pressure votes then your vote on me (a second vote on me) is a 'lynch vote'.
"You are saying, with your vote, that you want to lynch me just for how I write my name. This is an even worse reason for voting someone than anything I've been blamed of doing by Vecooster-san.
"That Vecooster-san and Dariush-yōgisha seem to think that this is okay is also very 'scummy'."
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:24:16 am
The best strategy when you're about to get lynched is to keep on fighting, but you might get tired of trying and people might tire of hearing what you have to say. It really depends on how convincing you can be, and how much effort you want to put into it given that you might not be successful."I'm willing to try, I just don't know what to do! I suppose the smart thing to do would include moving my vote from Deathsword-senpai to Nerjin-senpai, but it feels, well, dishonest, to do so. I'm not convinced Nerjin-senpai is one of the bullies, although there is a good chance he is one, and he has been acting suspicious. but I'm certain Deathsword-senpai is one of them. I've been trying to build a stronger case on Deathsword-senpai, but the way he keeps his posts to the bare-bones minimum makes it difficult. The problem is that bare-bones style, and just overall what he has not been doing, is a large part of why I'm so sure he's one of the bullies. He's done this before, and it's his strongest defense as scum. He makes himself a tough target by not speaking out enough, and only barely not being noticed as a lurker. I've said over and over for people to look at his posts, and look for what isn't there. he isn't even answering all the questions he is getting asked! I don't know how to question someone that doesn't even respond. I don't know how to respond to accusations of not trying hard enough when I'm trying my hardest. I'm very, very, unsure of what to do anymore.
The difference is only a single vote and the deadline is tomorrow night (if you live in the Americas). It's a tough situation, but not a hopeless one.
Regarding making a claim to try to save myself, that wouldn't work. I do have a role, but it's not critical to the town. I just wanted to know if I should bother to full claim about one or two hours before the end of the day."
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:25:54 am
Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?
None at all, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever as you know. All I have to give is my assurance that I'm town since you're not really telling me what you're talking about specifically.
Post by: Dariush on June 05, 2013, 10:32:37 am
Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?Your first RPless post and you manage to say what is likely the single scummiest thing this game. You're asking a person there is a bandwagon on and on whom you don't have any case why you shouldn't join on the bandwagon. Simultaneously, you manage to combine extreme laziness, passive agressiveness, OMGUS and baseless voting into one ultra-scummy sentence. That's... I have no words.
Post by: Toaster on June 05, 2013, 10:39:46 am
Do you have an opinion on a player besides me?
What about your reads on notquitethere, Nerjin, and Lenglon?
Nerjin I read as focusing on an easy target (Lenglon). His lack of case on anyone else makes me suspect him. Solifuge is very interested in this game. In the past, Interested Solifuge was Scum Solifuge, but that meta tell is awfully old and I can't put too much faith in it. My opinion on Deathsword is "Deathsword is playing?" Shini... hmm. He got off to a scummy wordy start, and has quieted down quite a bit, IMO. Worth keeping an eye on.
NQT: He's a bit hard to read on D1, so keeping an eye on him. The needle on him is pointing very slightly in the scum direction.
Nerjin: See above.
Lenglon: Confused new player. New tells are wrecking the signal to noise ration, so I'm not too sure where to lean on that case.
Lenglon:
"I dont get it, for some reason, Deathsword-senpai seems to be being considered in the clear by most people. Am I missing something? Why is his refusal to speak being considered more productive than Nerjin-senpai's fickle attitudes?
You're not going to get anywhere with this line of questioning. Also, who says Deathsword is clear? I damn near forgot he was playing, and that's a bad thing.
Toaster: are you seriously just going to vote jim/vector and leave it there all day? I thought it was an amusing joke at first, but the day's nearly over and you still have an RVS vote lying around. If you have an actual case on him, please present it.
RVS? No, it's a lynch vote. He's scum.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:45:46 am
(OOC, just for you.)Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?Your first RPless post and you manage to say what is likely the single scummiest thing this game. You're asking a person there is a bandwagon on and on whom you don't have any case why you shouldn't join on the bandwagon. Simultaneously, you manage to combine extreme laziness, passive agressiveness, OMGUS and baseless voting into one ultra-scummy sentence. That's... I have no words.
bah, that only holds true if I'd actually voted for him.
"Why?"Toaster: are you seriously just going to vote jim/vector and leave it there all day? I thought it was an amusing joke at first, but the day's nearly over and you still have an RVS vote lying around. If you have an actual case on him, please present it.RVS? No, it's a lynch vote. He's scum.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:50:26 am
(OOC, just for you.)Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?Your first RPless post and you manage to say what is likely the single scummiest thing this game. You're asking a person there is a bandwagon on and on whom you don't have any case why you shouldn't join on the bandwagon. Simultaneously, you manage to combine extreme laziness, passive agressiveness, OMGUS and baseless voting into one ultra-scummy sentence. That's... I have no words.
bah, that only holds true if I'd actually voted for him.
Actually it still holds as an OMGUS of sorts. It might not be what you intended but it seems like a lazy accusation. It'd be like if I said "Jim is scum. It's obvious." but then just stopped. It makes everyone think 2 things. 1) That I think Mr. Groovester is scum and 2) That I am lazy scum who just sorta throws around suspicions without committing to anything or even working on my claims.
But then again I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:56:24 am
"Don't worry, if I end up voting for you, there'll be an actual reason attached."
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 11:00:43 am
"Considering that the entire point of that question was to be vague, I really am having trouble caring. and how on earth is that an OMGUS anyway? I think we must be using different versions of the term here. which definition are you working with?"
At this point I'm not sure if you can afford to be vague. I'm no expert, in fact I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever, but it seems to me that subterfuge isn't helping at this point. You don't have time to be wily. What you need to do is be up front and wow us all with your case
As I said earlier you need to be upfront with your case at this point. Being vague near the end-day doesn't help your chances and can in fact hinder them since people might not pick up on your subtlety until it's too late.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 11:02:45 am
"Considering that the entire point of that question was to be vague, I really am having trouble caring. and how on earth is that an OMGUS anyway? I think we must be using different versions of the term here. which definition are you working with?"
At this point I'm not sure if you can afford to be vague. I'm no expert, in fact I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever, but it seems to me that subterfuge isn't helping at this point. You don't have time to be wily. What you need to do is be up front and wow us all with your case[ s ]. I don't see it as an OMGUS per se. It's just that with me voting for you and the fact that it's a really vague attack on me, weak as it may be, it's sorta like an OMGUS and some people are bound to see it that way.
As I said earlier you need to be upfront with your case at this point. Being vague near the end-day doesn't help your chances and can in fact hinder them since people might not pick up on your subtlety until it's too late.
Post by: Dariush on June 05, 2013, 11:12:07 am
bah, that only holds true if I'd actually voted for him.Backtracking already? Why so soon? Why else would you ask him why you shouldn't vote him if you weren't going to vote him?
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 11:15:02 am
Lenglon opens her notepad and flips open to a blank page, writes on it for about a minute, then turns it around and holds it up in the air for everyone to see.
Deathsword is scum.
Deathsword has not asked a single question since his first post of the game, during the very start of the RVS phase.
Deathsword voted on a target of opportunity, using other people's arguments, and none of his own, including old nonsensical ones.
Deathsword is not answering all the questions asked of him.
Deathsword has used borderline lurking behavior in the past to hide when he is scum.
Deathsword is currently using borderline lurking behavior.
Deathsword has posted six times, three of those contain no content, one is an opening RVS post.
Deathsword has taken quotes out of context.
Deathsword set off my instincts on a large scale, and I should trust my instincts.
Deathsword also is a horrible person, because he directly advocated that I stand by when I see someone being abused and do absolutely nothing. but this is not evidence that he is scum, just that I never, ever, want to have him as a neighbor.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 11:18:50 am
(again, OOC, just for you)bah, that only holds true if I'd actually voted for him.Backtracking already? Why so soon? Why else would you ask him why you shouldn't vote him if you weren't going to vote him?
because I wanted to see how he would react to getting yet another vote. He should be under almost as much pressure as I am. If he responded the way I did earlier, by answering all the possible accusations that came to mind, then I'd have gotten a lot of good information about if he is scum or not.
Post by: Dariush on June 05, 2013, 11:30:54 am
because I wanted to see how he would react to getting yet another vote. He should be under almost as much pressure as I am.This quote made my day. I'm literally laughing... out... loud...
Ah shit, you're serious, aren't you. Well, at least you're admitting to trying to conjure a case on him out of thin air (or rather asking him to conjure up some kind of anti-case, so you won't vote him) just to save your ass and tie the vote. That's a good start to not being an embodiment of scummitude, though still rather worse than not doing scummy shit at all.
Also, I am extremely sorry for asking to overexert yourself by writing in plain text and not referring to yourself in third person when addressing me. I completely understand the inherent difficulty of preventing oneself from making everything purdy.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 05, 2013, 11:37:23 am
Quote from: nerjin
None at all, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever as you know. All I have to give is my assurance that I'm town since you're not really telling me what you're talking about specifically.
Quote from: nerjin
-snip-
But then again I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Quote from: nerjin
At this point I'm not sure if you can afford to be vague. I'm no expert, in fact I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever, but it seems to me that subterfuge isn't helping at this pointI've backed off for the week due to my current work load but I'm sticking my head in here. I've already stated that I think Lenglon is town and I still stand by that. What I can't let go is Nerjin. You have finally posted some "content" and what is this? Your said content is completely void of actual weight. There is no strength to your posts and nothing creative or new. Your "I'm the worst player ever" thing has obviously been picked up by everyone but you are much more experienced than many "students" here. God damn it! Post some damn content! Being humble or whatever you would like to call it doesn't give you an excuse to give crappy answers and do terrible scumhunting.
I was going to take my time and arrange a strong attack tomorrow or something but I can't let this go. It was so dumb I wouldn't be surprised if nobody attacked you simply for it being to obvious. I accuse your humble statements of a case of RIA. And I accuse you of being scum! Now, seeing as lenglon just presented a reasonable and straightforward case on Deathsword I would like you to go over every point in her list and address it fully. Just try to defend your scum buddy. If you can't retaliate to her case then I am assuming that you are voting Lenglon for no strong reason either.
I forget who mentioned it here but Ranger and I discussed it at school as well. We don't know if night kills are conducted naturally. Toony, if I ask, would you tell or would you be as silent as a mute panda bear.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 05, 2013, 11:46:47 am
I forget who mentioned it here but Ranger and I discussed it at school as well. We don't know if night kills are conducted naturally. Toony, if I ask, would you tell or would you be as silent as a mute panda bear.I would avoid talking about the game with players outside of the game, but anyway, I am not saying.
@Dariush:
You big stinky face!! >:(
Also Day Ends in roughly 10~ hours
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 11:49:20 am
Griff: Could you tell me what your read is of Leafsnail and why?Meh. Not much of a read. I still have to do another full read-through to solidify my reads of people. I wasn't expecting getting in this game day one, so I have some homerwork to catch up on. (See what I did there? ;D). He buddied you at one point, but I think it was a total accident, seeing as how he immediately backed away from you. (Past experience has also taught me that it's super easy to buddy you. Your emotions play a heavy role in your gameplay.) This makes me lean slight town towards him, but I definetely don't have a strong read there...
But I'm certain Deathsword-senpai is one of them. I've been trying to build a stronger case on Deathsword-senpai, but the way he keeps his posts to the bare-bones minimum makes it difficult.Wait... Weren't you accusing him of artificially inflating his posts to make them longer at one point? Now you're saying the opposite, that he's posting the bare minimum. I request explanation on this point.
Solifuge:
(http://i.imgur.com/UUfiZQm.jpg)Here you promise that you're building a case. In fact, you said that you might not even need the extension to go through to get the case done. Where's this case? Or were you just being cute, hoping that no one would notice if you posted promises without results?
Shini: Why do you think Lenglon is Town? Or did he just mention it at school?
Tiruin: What's your opinion on Lenglon jumping to your defense?
Are there any more questions addressed to me that I haven't answered? I'm not sure if I missed any or not.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 11:50:51 am
Also, I am extremely sorry for asking to overexert yourself by writing in plain text and not referring to yourself in third person when addressing me. I completely understand the inherent difficulty of preventing oneself from making everything purdy."Really?!"
Lenglon begins practically glowing with delight upon hearing Dariush's words.
"Finally! someone understands me! Thank you so much Dariush-oniisan! I'll never forget this!"
Lenglon runs over and tackle-hugs Dariush, and snuggles against his chest.
"Thankyouthankyouthankyoutahnkyouthankyou!"
PPE:
I'll answer in just a moment Griff.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 11:52:16 am
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 05, 2013, 11:58:42 am
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 11:59:27 am
"They're bare-bones on actual content, artificially lengthened to make them look good. he repeats himself over and over to make a long post, but there's very little content in them."But I'm certain Deathsword-senpai is one of them. I've been trying to build a stronger case on Deathsword-senpai, but the way he keeps his posts to the bare-bones minimum makes it difficult.Wait... Weren't you accusing him of artificially inflating his posts to make them longer at one point? Now you're saying the opposite, that he's posting the bare minimum. I request explanation on this point.
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 12:01:55 pm
Spoiler: Useless crap that I write when I'm bored(RP) (click to show/hide)
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 12:08:13 pm
Why do you think Lenglon is town?
Shini: Why do you think Lenglon is Town? Or did he just mention it at school?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 05, 2013, 12:17:49 pm
Quote
Lenglon (other than the RPing) is behaving naturally to how she normally plays.Already summarizes my main thoughts. Tomorrow (in game time) whether she is dead or alive I will state why I think she is town. I should have some time on the weekend to do that as well as make a case on a couple people.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 12:19:58 pm
If you really had given up on the scumteam and tried to help the Town win, that would make you the worst player to have in any Mafia game ever.
Not humility, it's a title I earned. Just want to make sure everyone knows the sort of
I accuse your humble statements of a case of RIA. And I accuse you of being scum! Now, seeing as lenglon just presented a reasonable and straightforward case on Deathsword I would like you to go over every point in her list and address it fully. Just try to defend your scum buddy. If you can't retaliate to her case then I am assuming that you are voting Lenglon for no strong reason either.
1. He's not my scum-buddy. I'm not sure if he's scum or whatever but I know I'm not so just wanting to address that first.
2. Lack of strength regarding her case doesn't make mine weaker. But I will indulge you.
[1]Deathsword is scum.
[2] Deathsword has not asked a single question since his first post of the game, during the very start of the RVS phase.
[3] Deathsword voted on a target of opportunity, using other people's arguments, and none of his own, including old nonsensical ones.
[4] Deathsword is not answering all the questions asked of him.
[5] Deathsword has used borderline lurking behavior in the past to hide when he is scum.
[6] Deathsword is currently using borderline lurking behavior.
[7] Deathsword has posted six times, three of those contain no content, one is an opening RVS post.
[8] Deathsword has taken quotes out of context.
[9] Deathsword set off my instincts on a large scale, and I should trust my instincts.
[A] Deathsword also is a horrible person, because he directly advocated that I stand by when I see someone being abused and do absolutely nothing. but this is not evidence that he is scum, just that I never, ever, want to have him as a neighbor.
1. Deatsword is Scum: I'm not sure, maybe he is. Although I disagree considering that of the "6" posts he's to have done "2" of them are
2. Deathsword has not asked questions: Hm... That's a very good point. I hadn't actually noticed. Maybe he is lurking like crazy. He has asked questions but she mentions this... However that's not good enough on it's own considering that later:
3. Deathsword Voted. . . Old Arguments: Null-tell as using others cases to bolster your own or when you honestly just don't have anything to add isn't scummy to me. Others would disagree but...
4. Deathsword not answering questions: He's answered questions relatively well. He has two large posts where he responds rather well and he mentions how he can't post as often as some other people. 2/6 or 1/3 is a pretty good number even if he is lurking he is up-front about it at the very least.
5. Deathsword Lurks as Scum: Meta-tell that I can't prove one way or the other.
6. Deathsword is lurking: Nothing borderline about it kiddo he's lurking pretty hard. Though as I've said before he mentions this and he has 1/3 good posts. Not sure about YOUR ration though.
7. Deathsword lacks posts and is being lurk-y: Yeah just went through that and it's pretty true. Except that, again, he's relatively good for content/post ratio. I wish he posted more but when he does he's pretty good about it.
8. Deathsword Quotes out of Context: Uh, could you post links to these areas Lenglon? I've looked and I didn't see these instances.
9. Instincts: Don't mean anything to me.
A. This has nothing to do with the game. Please let's not drag that up. A forum game insult and a true insult are differing things.
B. THERE'S the content I'm looking for. Easy to read, easy to respond to, and relatively strong. That being said I don't think that some of your points hold up.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 12:26:02 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 05, 2013, 12:31:02 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 05, 2013, 12:33:36 pm
I'm actually voting you because you are pressure voting Dariush instead of lynch voting him or anyone else.I don't know what this means.#[NQT] occasionally forgets about having the privilege of a large vocabulary from years of extracurricular reading.
"Zombie-san, I'll rephrase what I said in simpler words.
"It seems silly and 'scummy' to vote for me just for how I write my name. Usually, I wouldn't take it too seriously but you just said that it is too late for pressure votes. If it is too late for pressure votes then your vote on me (a second vote on me) is a 'lynch vote'.
"You are saying, with your vote, that you want to lynch me just for how I write my name. This is an even worse reason for voting someone than anything I've been blamed of doing by Vecooster-san.
"That Vecooster-san and Dariush-yōgisha seem to think that this is okay is also very 'scummy'."
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 12:37:18 pm
4. Deathsword not answering questions: He's answered questions relatively well. He has two large posts where he responds rather well and he mentions how he can't post as often as some other people. 2/6 or 1/3 is a pretty good number even if he is lurking he is up-front about it at the very least.The problem I have is that when he does post, he answers only some of the questions, specifically only the ones that he can answer well. if he doesn't have a good answer, he "forgets" to answer them until something else has happened to distract from the question's urgency or he gets pressed on having missed them.
8. Deathsword Quotes out of Context: Uh, could you post links to these areas Lenglon? I've looked and I didn't see these instances.both an example of him quoting out of context and a question he has yet to answer are sitting in this post here:
-snip-the link works, I tested before posting.
Post by: Dariush on June 05, 2013, 12:38:08 pm
"Really?!"I... honestly can't tell whether you've epically missed the sarcasm in my reply or it is me who is missing it in yours.
Lenglon begins practically glowing with delight upon hearing Dariush's words.
"Finally! someone understands me! Thank you so much Dariush-oniisan! I'll never forget this!"
Lenglon runs over and tackle-hugs Dariush, and snuggles against his chest.
"Thankyouthankyouthankyoutahnkyouthankyou!"
and how Daruish speaks as though he continuously has a mouthful of lemon.That might be the first time ever I was mentioned verbally by people I don't know personally. And it's not my mouth that is full of lemons, it's the light that falls onto my eyes that is full of images of people being so stupid that if the universe was fair they would disintegrate from their own stupidity.
@Dariush:You will witness the painful deaths of everyone you love and then you'll suffer a slow and agonizing one yourself. And monkeys will chew on your eyeballs.
You big stinky face!! >:(
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 12:47:47 pm
(you missed mine, and please excuse me for a moment, I think I just broke my chair laughing.)"Really?!"I... honestly can't tell whether you've epically missed the sarcasm in my reply or it is me who is missing it in yours.
Lenglon begins practically glowing with delight upon hearing Dariush's words.
"Finally! someone understands me! Thank you so much Dariush-oniisan! I'll never forget this!"
Lenglon runs over and tackle-hugs Dariush, and snuggles against his chest.
"Thankyouthankyouthankyoutahnkyouthankyou!"
Post by: notquitethere on June 05, 2013, 12:51:21 pm
I'm actually voting you because you are pressure voting Dariush instead of lynch voting him or anyone else."But Zombie-san, if that was your reason for voting me then why did you use your lynch vote to ask me a weak question about how I say my name? You must admit that it looks like you're just parroting what Vecooster had said about me. How do you feel about the use of my vote now that I'm using it as a lynch vote against you for your sloppy argument? Do you have anything stronger to place against me?"
Post by: Toaster on June 05, 2013, 12:57:42 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 05, 2013, 01:06:52 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 01:12:17 pm
3. Deathsword Voted. . . Old Arguments: Null-tell as using others cases to bolster your own or when you honestly just don't have anything to add isn't scummy to me. Others would disagree but...it took me a while to put into words what this is about, the issue here is that it IS a null-tell. if you discard his one and only case he has made on anyone as null, then he has no questions, no cases, and a single bandwagon vote. I look at what people are NOT doing most of the time, and I see nothing here. even phantom has provided more actual content than deathsword has, and phantom is being prodded for lurking.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 05, 2013, 01:23:09 pm
"Toaster-san, I can see Vecooster-san's point that with less than two days to the deadline, a pressure vote was not appropriate (and it's something I'll bear in mind for future), but I for one would never base a lynching case solely on those grounds-- especially when there are far more egregious mistakes being made by others, and some students have failed to make any kind of coherent case."
That's not my case, that's zombie urist's.
I don't have the time to clarify right now, but it has more to do with your non-existent scumhunting and empty contributions. Like the pressure vote on Dariush on unacceptable grounds, and the completely worthless questionnaire whose sole purpose seems to be to fill space.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 01:25:32 pm
" Toaster-senpai! Stop ignoring my qestion! You said Veccovster-Senpai is scum but never said why! Tell me why!"
Post by: notquitethere on June 05, 2013, 01:29:46 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 05, 2013, 01:37:16 pm
Lenglon pouts as she watches Toaster walk around the room and question her classmates.
" Toaster-senpai! Stop ignoring my qestion! You said Veccovster-Senpai is scum but never said why! Tell me why!"
Yes I did.
I've basically forgotten how to play so I'm winging it here.
Bullshit. Bull fucking shit.
I've played with you plenty damn enough times to know you're quite capable. You even wrote a book on scummology (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/gDy5hwicixg). Don't you dare come in and drop such a whopping lie. I heard mooing all the way over here from all that bullshit.
I know someone setting themselves up an excuse when I see one.
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 01:37:59 pm
I'm busy so I'm not going into detail but this-So in the two partial games you have played with her before, she's played like this? In one of those games, she's not even confirmed town, and could easily be scum. This is one of the weakest arguments for someone to be town I've ever read. Is her meta-game the only reason you think she's town? If so, what are you going to elaborate on tomorrow?QuoteLenglon (other than the RPing) is behaving naturally to how she normally plays.Already summarizes my main thoughts. Tomorrow (in game time) whether she is dead or alive I will state why I think she is town. I should have some time on the weekend to do that as well as make a case on a couple people.
Your second statement, about posting why you think she is town after the end of the day, is also highly suspect. The mafia would have a large amount of motivation to do something like this. They'd know whether or not Lenglon is really scum, and assuming she's not, they could make themselves look really good explaining why she shouldn't be lynched after she already had been. They get a town lynched day one, and then get to look squeaky clean when explaining why she shouldn't be lynched. Perfect scum move.
Lenglon:
A fallacious argument. If we discarded your case against Deathsword as null, then you have an OMGUS vote and no cases. Oh ya, and a whole lot of hard-to-look-at RP.3. Deathsword Voted. . . Old Arguments: Null-tell as using others cases to bolster your own or when you honestly just don't have anything to add isn't scummy to me. Others would disagree but...it took me a while to put into words what this is about, the issue here is that it IS a null-tell. if you discard his one and only case he has made on anyone as null, then he has no questions, no cases, and a single bandwagon vote.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 02:19:55 pm
"I do not think Lenglon-san is a bully. My vote on her was a make or break vote, meant to give some final insight on what side she may be on. I gave reasons which were not the easiest to make a lynch vote out of, though they are some what suspicious, so that i could give a final judgement about what i believe she might be. Her answers have been, from what i can see, honest, forthcoming, and not at all bully-like. Although she may have her own agenda,(third-party) for now my suspicions of her being a bully have been quelled."
(My reasons for asking if anyone else received their silhouette was just curiosity as when Toonyman said he would be sending them out tonight, i thought he had meant after the first Day had ended. I'm not sure how that could be thought of as trying to seem townie.)
(Theory: The bullies have 2 ways to try and NK. The first is to enter a house and kill whoevers there. (random if more than one person is inside) The second is that if they want to target a specific player, they must either not be in a house, or the bullies must know which house they are currently in. I believe that the second option holds some merit but without some other evidence, its all guess work.)
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 05, 2013, 02:28:20 pm
Been busy with farmwork and errands running with a little familial aggro on the side, going to try and get a decent post in but ye gods there's a lot of text to read through @_@
Extend if one hasn't been passed already.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 05, 2013, 04:43:28 pm
"Phantom-san, I notice that houses will be closed if the occupant has got what they desire. This hints at the existence of third-parties that are neither normal students nor bullies. Is it in our interest to assist or hinder the goals of benign third-parties?"Depends, if they're goal poses no threat to the town and doesn't interfere with the hunt for bullies I see no reason not to, but if they are going to hinder us in any way or their goal is anti-town then getting rid of them would probably be the better option. It's all contextual.
Testing the waters to see how people will react when they find out your alignment, are we?
Phantom of the Library: CowardDohohohoho!
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
Depends purely on the person and their role.
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Probably, given Toony-sensei's statements.
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
It's a possibility, whatever the bullies are going to use to take us our could be house targeting or person targeting or they could possibly not have any conventional abilities for taking us out at all!
We just don't know enough yet.
Some thoughts:
Lenglon seems more like a flailing newbie than flailing scum to me.
Suuuuuugooooiiiiii~~~!!!~~~ Dariush-chan is so kawaii when she's angry-desudesu.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 05, 2013, 04:44:14 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 04:49:29 pm
OH! I thought you were talking about ... nevermind.Umm...what do I need to elaborate on? If the lynch was used on someone who is unlynchable, then it does nothing, and the bullies get a free night kill.
Recent experience has taught me that I can't count on people to not lynch the unlynchable guy (even myself).
Permanently? Today only? Conditionally? If you're going to claim unlynchable, you ought to be more specific.
It's involuntary and lasts for a predetermined length of time. I would like to wait at least one day before I claim further.
Ford: If you could vote, who would your vote be on?Smart-Ass Answer: My vote would be on Leafsnail, because I have not unvoted or voted anyone else since voting him.
What you're actually asking me is "who do you think is scummy", so I'll try to answer that.
NQT, Deathsword and Nerjin were on my short list, and a reread of their posts revealed nothing.
...and now my boss is shouting in the office and I can't think straight.
ToonyMan: When we visit someone else's house, do we actually stay there for the night? Or do we return to our own house to sleep?
Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 05, 2013, 05:15:37 pm
Suuuuuugooooiiiiii~~~!!!~~~ Dariush-chan is so kawaii when she's angry-desudesu.But she doesn't seem to be contributing much else. (TT_TT)
zombie urist seems a little fishy to me, but I can't quite place my finger on it, very weak feeling though.
Deathsword is giving off a similar feeling.
Nerjin is scum looking for an easy lynch. Half the time he's being friendly towards his target and the other half he's being wishy-washy. It seems pretty clear that he shares my feelings that Lenglon is just a flailing newbie, but's still going for the lynch anyway.
Everyone else is varying shades of gray or I just haven't gotten time to analyze yet.
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 05:22:40 pm
Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?How on earth would you know that the houses can be destroyed?
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 05:53:34 pm
Please tell me he doesn't have a cannon.Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?How on earth would you know that the houses can be destroyed?
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 05:59:48 pm
"um, I dont think Ford-senpai should answer your question Griff-san."Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?How on earth would you know that the houses can be destroyed?
"Speaking of unhealthy questions, NQT-senpai, it seems like your questionaire's first question was a form of rolefishing, the second one seems pointless to claim until we've had a least one night, and the third one would enable the bullies to try to manipulate our perception of who they are and what they can do, especially if we guess wrong. why didn't you wait to pursue this line of questioning until at least day 2, when we would be able to actually get some benefit from it?"
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 06:05:07 pm
I am dissatisfied with both the prospect of a no-lynch and the prospect of me being lynched. I want Deathsword lynched but i don't seem to be making much headway on that objective. I'm hoping more time will change this.
besides, Phantom and Griff haven't been here very long.
Post by: notquitethere on June 05, 2013, 06:30:55 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 06:34:59 pm
"Lenglon-kun, I hear what your saying and your suspicion is healthy, but I must respectfully disagree. I think it's important to know what the norms and expectations of my fellow students are, especially if they're going to say strange things in the future. It was important to establish that, broadly speaking, we all think it's a good idea to visit different places. Some students might have tried to claim that we should all stay at home to prevent anyone from finding out about us without us knowing about it but no one has and I find that quite interesting."well, that plan seems rather obviously flawed to me. in general more information is good for us and bad for the bullies, so taking actions to minimize what information we have seems foolish. I'm quite unsurprised that such a plan as not been mentioned. why did you think it would come up? I don't see what is interesting about it."
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 06:43:44 pm
"Lenglon-kun, I hear what your saying and your suspicion is healthy, but I must respectfully disagree. I think it's important to know what the norms and expectations of my fellow students are, especially if they're going to say strange things in the future. It was important to establish that, broadly speaking, we all think it's a good idea to visit different places. Some students might have tried to claim that we should all stay at home to prevent anyone from finding out about us without us knowing about it but no one has and I find that quite interesting.I actually hadn't considered the information obtainable by staying home. The thing is, that depends on someone visiting you, and you only get their silhouette, not their identity or their home.
One very interesting aspect is that since the homes are anonymous, we won't have to worry about the Webadict Effect.
Griffinpup: That was a very good catch. I don't actually know that houses can be destroyed (I can't destroy them personally), but if people can actually sleep over at other people's houses, then I have reason to believe that attacking their home can still eliminate them from the game.
Actually...
NQT: Why do you think people can sleep over at other people's houses?
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 06:48:40 pm
Would a no-lynch or a lynch be better for town?
Captain Ford: what's the Webadict Effect?
To whoever brought it up:
I don't think that much can be read into Nerjin insulting himself. He's posting that in other threads too.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 06:56:19 pm
Captain Ford: what's the Webadict Effect?Oh hey. I didn't finish what I was writing.
I went hunting for a reference, but couldn't find it.
PPE: Found it:
This is the Webadict Effect. Web got such a strong reputation that he became a night-target magnet. Let me give an example from Bring Your Own Picture 1: There were 18 total players going into N1. Web was inspected, protected, blocked, watched, and killed.
I was going to say something after it but I think I pretty much made my point that nobody can target anyone else. Like I said before, though, that isn't a disadvantage to the scum because they know their own houses and can coordinate their actions, and all they have to do is target anyone who isn't them.
Post by: notquitethere on June 05, 2013, 06:57:10 pm
#[NQT] pauses in thought for a moment.
"You know, Ford-san, I guess I assumed from how Tooney-senpai, worded things we'd be staying at houses we choose at night, but it's possible we only investigate them. Can you clarify Toony-senpai?"
Post by: ToonyMan on June 05, 2013, 06:58:47 pm
ToonyMan: When we visit someone else's house, do we actually stay there for the night? Or do we return to our own house to sleep?You stay for the night. Possibly. Yes.
Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffionday -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(1)Shinigami_King - Griffonday
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
(3)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(3)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, Tiruin
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, RangerCado
Lenglon have requested an extension. Seven more requests are required.
Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 6/5 at 11 PM EST.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 07:00:52 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 05, 2013, 07:01:53 pm
EDIT:
Nights might actually last two days. One day seems too short really. If I don't get everybody's actions in 24 hours I'll extend it another day.
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 07:08:17 pm
Rangercado:
Who do you think is scum?
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 07:08:41 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 07:12:50 pm
So what happens if (when) I vote for you? Would you vote for Nerjin last minute to create a no-lynch scenario?
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 07:15:34 pm
I don't want to have to do that.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 07:42:18 pm
"Nerjin-san, Heres my reasons for voting you. Your searching has been abysmal, your reasons for voting Lenglon-san aren't anywhere near good, (their similar to what i was doing as a test so i know what i'm talking about) and you've yet to show anything that would discourage my lynch vote on you, other than making it seem you want to leave. (Joker style) I thought you might shape up but you haven't at all."
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 08:20:52 pm
I don't think this is one of those situations, though.
Unrelated: Lenglon's behavior so far this game reminds me a heckuva lot of Quadressence. She was attacked for her heavy roleplaying and reacted pretty much the same way. I also don't feel any need to defend her, so I think she's town.
ToonyMan: So wait. Everyone has sleepovers these days with the lights off? Or is this like sneaking into each other's rooms after bedtime and without our parent's approval?
It sounds more like the second. And if so I love the fact that people will let just anyone in through their bedroom window these days.
I've been getting some questions because of my lack ofYou should probably add this change to the rules. And it would be great if these rules were added to the OP, or maybe just to Reply #217 because it's kind of hard to refer to them when they're at the bottom of Reply #216.foresightclarity so I should make an amendment to the rules. (This should be okay because Night hasn't started yet).GENERAL RULES:4a. Players will however, see the silhouettes of the players with them in that house. This is excluding special circumstances. In other words they'll have a general perspective and head count. Again, excluding special circumstances. During the first Night everyone will know which one is their silhouette by then.
1. Game starts at D1 and players can vote who to kick out of school.
2. During Nights players choose which house they want to go to, or if they prefer to stay home for the night. Some characters have abilities or special actions depending on who if anybody is with them.
3. At the start nobody knows whose house is whose except their own (or their groups if they're informed). When visiting a house they selected that player will be able to tell whose house it is now and what gender that player is (as long as something else doesn't screw with them).
4. Players will not know who's with them unless they're by themselves in which case they'll know they're by themselves (baring special cases).
5. Not every player starts with a house, some may live with others or not have one.
6. A kicked out, harassed/bullied away, dead, or won player's house cannot be entered anymore.
zombie urist:
WTF is going on?Why did you unvote Lenglon?
Unvote
Extend
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 08:25:35 pm
yes, because I know I am not scum, and a no-lynch is better than a town-lynch.Wow. That comes off as super scummy to me. Scum has huge motivation to do this, and town has less. If you were scum, you would definitely employ this strategy, at least prolonging your own lynching by a day and wasting one of towns' days to catch the rest of the scum. If you are town, it would have much the same effect. You would probably be able to delay your lynching for at least a day, and make the town waste a day in the process. The result would be a town lynch AND a no-lynch. Either of these are less destructive then both together. What I see in this statement is you saying that you value yourself over the town as a whole. There'd be no reason to do so unless you were scum.
I don't want to have to do that.
I have a hypothetical for you. Let's say you make us no-lynch today because you vote Nerjin, and tie the votes. The next day, you're about to be lynched. Would you attempt to tie up the votes then again? Would you no-lynch your way to a lynch or lose scenario just so you don't get lynched yourself? Your reasoning is destructive and the practice of it and reasoning like it would likely lead to the downfall of this town.
RangerCado: I think that Nerjin-san isn't scum, but merely, as he said, a very bad player. You are right in what you say about him, but do these really come off as scumtells to you? They just look like someone who's lazy regardless of whether they're scum or not. I've played a game with Nerjin, and he acted much the same as he's doing right now.
Captain Ford: I recognize your point about the lynchee not ensuring that they get lynched, but avoiding being lynched by voting someone else that you don't even think is scum is absolutely scummy, in my opinion.
Post by: zombie urist on June 05, 2013, 08:37:55 pm
Why did you unvote Lenglon?I don't think she's scum anymore.
ToonyMan: So wait. Everyone has sleepovers these days with the lights off? Or is this like sneaking into each other's rooms after bedtime and without our parent's approval?Its a game. >_> I for one am totally ok with sneaking into girls houses at night.
It sounds more like the second. And if so I love the fact that people will let just anyone in through their bedroom window these days.
Never use this color. Never ever. Also use darkling.Spoiler: Useless crap that I write when I'm bored(RP) (click to show/hide)
"Zombie-senapi: could you please tell me what you think of Deathsword-senpai, and where I have mistepped in making my case against him? well, beyond the mistake of losing my temper last period. that was shameful."He's on the scummier side of the spectrum, but not by that much. I can believe he's busy. I don't really agree with the other points.
I will vote before the day's endYou're running out of time...
Toaster: Your case on Jim is... kinda hilarious.
Captain Ford: I recognize your point about the lynchee not ensuring that they get lynched, but avoiding being lynched by voting someone else that you don't even think is scum is absolutely scummy, in my opinion.I disagree. I think thats a null tell if anything.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 08:46:15 pm
Let's say you make us no-lynch today because you vote Nerjin, and tie the votes. The next day, you're about to be lynched. Would you attempt to tie up the votes then again? Would you no-lynch your way to a lynch or lose scenario just so you don't get lynched yourself? Your reasoning is destructive and the practice of it and reasoning like it would likely lead to the downfall of this town."I cannot honestly respond to this because the answer is affected by my role."
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 08:49:43 pm
I am currently having net problems at the moment {Concussive force + power supply = x_x } so excuse my absence..Will try to scratch up a post meanwhile, if possible. At a public comshop.
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 08:59:10 pm
I think you missed the humor of my post. I chose something hard to read intentionally. And I do use darkling. Also, you really don't like elaborating, do you zombie urist? In none of your points that actually involve this game did you actually explain your statements.Never use this color. Never ever. Also use darkling.Spoiler: Useless crap that I write when I'm bored(RP) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Your Post (click to show/hide)
You don't address why DS is scummy.
Apparently Toaster's case is hilarous, but who knows why?
And finally, you think it's a scumtell, but don't explain why.
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 09:30:44 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 05, 2013, 09:49:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 09:51:58 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 09:52:59 pm
yes, you tied the vote.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 09:54:50 pm
Extend I haven't had time.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 09:55:52 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 09:56:57 pm
Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 6/5 at 11 PM EST.
4 mins left
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 09:59:44 pm
Extend.
Also, Unvote.
You seem scummier to me, Lenglon. I hope you see my argument for why you shouldn't vote for someone that you don't think is scum. Vote Lenglon
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:00:01 pm
prewritten in case of only literally having seconds to spare, but i'm only voting to tie, not to lynch. I'm just sitting here spamming preview and watching the clock.
Post by: Toaster on June 05, 2013, 10:00:16 pm
Nerjin. He's more likely scum than Lenglon (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297422#msg4297422), who I suspect is newflailing. Nerjin I suspect is more likely digging in on an easy target.
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 10:00:27 pm
Nerjin.
I'm still standing on the notion of Lenglon's non-scummitude based on her playstyle early game.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:00:55 pm
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:01:04 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 10:01:32 pm
That's quite a lot of people.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:03:06 pm
Captain Ford: I recognize your point about the lynchee not ensuring that they get lynched, but avoiding being lynched by voting someone else that you don't even think is scum is absolutely scummy, in my opinion.Look at it this way. I don't assume I'm right. In fact, I always try to consider the possibility I'm wrong.
Even if I'm 99% sure that the other possible lynchee is town, a 1% chance of lynching scum is better than a 0%. (referring to lynching him versus lynching myself, not lynching him versus a no-lynch)
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:03:58 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:04:34 pm
Extend if one hasn't been passed already.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:09:23 pm
Lenglon shakes her head before looking back up.
"I... thank you. you've acted with honor. and I truly believe you arn't one of the bullies."
Unvote
Lenglon
"I... this ties the vote again, right?
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:10:25 pm
Phantom of the Library - #564
Lenglon - #572
Tiruin - #593
Nerjin - #597
Griff - #600
Captain Ford - #604
PPE: ...oh boy...
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:11:18 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:11:34 pm
I had to make a snap decision, and I dont think he's scum.
but...
fine.Captain Ford: I recognize your point about the lynchee not ensuring that they get lynched, but avoiding being lynched by voting someone else that you don't even think is scum is absolutely scummy, in my opinion.Look at it this way. I don't assume I'm right. In fact, I always try to consider the possibility I'm wrong.
Even if I'm 99% sure that the other possible lynchee is town, a 1% chance of lynching scum is better than a 0%. (referring to lynching him versus lynching myself, not lynching him versus a no-lynch)
Unvote
yeah, sorry, snap decision, like i said
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:11:34 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 05, 2013, 10:12:04 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:15:08 pm
current votes:
on me (4): leafsnail, deathsword, griff, nerjin.
on nerjin (5): phantom, shinigami, tiruin, ranger, toaster
I have no vote out right now, i'm trying to stick to what I said earlier. I really dont think nerjin is scum but I'm trying to do the right thing here.
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 10:15:42 pm
So...yay. Still, seeing Nerjin and Lenglon..that's pretty honorable. This would make an epic story, thinking Toony's context.
I'd have to ask why, but I'm presuming it's already down back there on why.
..Still, Lenglon, what reads or feels have you got on Nerjin? Same for Nerjin @ Lenglon.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:16:49 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 10:17:57 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:18:32 pm
with what just happened here, he leans town, strongly, to me, and i'm more than willing to vote myself again to tie the vote if that is the right thing to do.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:19:37 pm
mine on nerjin were mixed, he seemed fickle, but i honestly got a feel of scumhunting from him. I kept switching between null and lean scum, but never got a strong read.
with what just happened here, he leans town, strongly, to me, and i'm more than willing to vote myself again to tie the vote if that is the right thing to do.
Don't. Tieing the vote at day end is SUPER Scummy. If I die so be it. It's town's will. I still suspect you but... it means a lot to me that you'd say that. I like you kid. Don't let that sway you though.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:25:31 pm
I'd rather see a lynch on Phantom of the Mafia than either of you. Both he and Deathsword are lurky, but PotM hit my scumdar hard when he jumped on Nerjin.
Post by: Toaster on June 05, 2013, 10:26:38 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 05, 2013, 10:27:24 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:28:33 pm
Damn, I wouldn't have made a knee-jerk post like that if it weren't so close to day end. >_<
PPE: And day extended. Whew!
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:28:48 pm
oh, and I might as well return my vote to where it belongs.
Deathsword
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 10:32:22 pm
Vote the Shinigami scum.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:33:10 pm
...but if you're not sure, why did you change your vote?
Also, Imaginary Unvote Toaster.
...I may have to start my own imaginary votecount...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on June 05, 2013, 10:34:47 pm
It seems you've both reached an impasse which isn't clarified. Look, if you're both town or something such as those, it's mostly a read on each other, aye? The thing is, a no-lynch is inevitable worse than a town-lynch, despite the reads given on the people..because scum can play a damn well good game.mine on nerjin were mixed, he seemed fickle, but i honestly got a feel of scumhunting from him. I kept switching between null and lean scum, but never got a strong read.
with what just happened here, he leans town, strongly, to me, and i'm more than willing to vote myself again to tie the vote if that is the right thing to do.
Don't. Tieing the vote at day end is SUPER Scummy. If I die so be it. It's town's will. I still suspect you but... it means a lot to me that you'd say that. I like you kid. Don't let that sway you though.
However, at this point..I'm leaning more on that no-lynch, because I can't see the probability of either of you being scum, then appealing that hard to emotion or being as honorable, or in theoretical terms, 'frank' to each other.
Unless you're both scum. Wherein I'd rip the hair out of my head, but that's just horrifying. And nearly impossible in my eyes.
Still, I'm 99% sure that the extension has passed, and that Toony isn't a strict principal. So nyuh. There. Extension.
..Hopefully I'll be back to enjoy said extension because darn does everyone post a lot.
PPE: Ford Ford griffin Ford.
You know you can just red-ify those people instead of saying they're imaginary. We get the gist, unless people forgot that we can't vote you.
Post by: zombie urist on June 05, 2013, 10:35:43 pm
Solifuge has another chance to vote before day end. :P
Also, you really don't like elaborating, do you zombie urist? In none of your points that actually involve this game did you actually explain your statements.Hate elaborating. >:(
You don't think she's scum anymore? Nothing more at all to add? You wouldn't happen to have any reasons on why your opinion changed, would you?
You don't address why DS is scummy.
Apparently Toaster's case is hilarous, but who knows why?
And finally, you think it's a scumtell, but don't explain why.
Its clear that Lenglon is a n00b, esp with the tier 3 wifom and crap.
DS's main post does look like an easy bandwagon, but then again that's not really totally uncharacteristic of him from what I've seen.
No one knows why. I think its just too simple.
I said null tell. I actually don't remember any games where scum tried that, but I do remember RL6 where zrk2 tried that as town.
PPE'd x5 :o
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:37:37 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:38:10 pm
...but if you're not sure, why did you change your vote?because I might as well? either it doesn't matter, and I'm dead, because my vote to tie after pup switched the vote from a tie to lynching me, hit the server one second after ten-o-clock, or i'm not dead, the day is extended, and Deathsword is still scum.
Post by: griffinpup on June 05, 2013, 10:42:58 pm
Wow. I just looked at the time stamps. They're some pretty crazy numbers....but if you're not sure, why did you change your vote?because I might as well? either it doesn't matter, and I'm dead, because my vote to tie after pup switched the vote from a tie to lynching me, hit the server one second after ten-o-clock, or i'm not dead, the day is extended, and Deathsword is still scum.
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 10:47:51 pm
the key part is here:
Unvoteat the time nerjin unvoted here, the vote had just been re-tied, and his vote was on me.
by doing this, he set HIMSELF up to be lynched instead of having there be a no-lynch.
it was followed by other people voting for him, so he shifted his vote back to me, but by doing this, he was making a sacrifice play, at a time that we didn't expect the day to be extended, and it was the single towniest thing i've seen all game. Before this sequence of events, my view of nerjin was null to lean scum, it is now strong town.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 10:48:54 pm
You know you can just red-ify those people instead of saying they're imaginary. We get the gist, unless people forgot that we can't vote you.I know. It just felt silly for me to unvote people when I don't actually have a vote on them, thus "imaginary unvote".
Anyways, to elaborate, the way PotL voted Nerjin and pushed him again reminded me strongly of the way Leafsnail popped in late in RL6 and fingered Zrk2. My gut was telling me not to ignore that. But that's not something he can defend against, so...
Phantom of the Library: I call your attack on Nerjin opportunistic and bandwagony. How do you plead?
Nerjin: Why did you unvote and revote Lenglon back there? Are you going to consider a different target, or do you still think she's scum? Did you ever think she was scum, or just weak town?
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 10:52:07 pm
Either way I unvoted Lenglon so there'd be a lynch.
Then I revoted her because votes on me outnumbered her by 2 so I wanted my thoughts known. I'm starting to consider a different target yes. I'm thinking I haven't been paying this game the attention it deserves. I thought she was scum... Now I'm leaning weak town. I dunno. I'd need to do a re-read which I may not have time to do.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 05, 2013, 11:02:04 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 05, 2013, 11:03:09 pm
...Okay guys. I think that would have been a Lenglon lynch if I was being a tight-ass. But I do agree that a 24 hour extend is far too short and we've had plenty of activity. How would everybody feel if I extended Day 1 to the end of Friday? It would be June 7th at 11pm EST.Please do, thank you.
also, I think I just contradicted myself, i'm confused.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 11:04:25 pm
I actually considered FOSing you instead of voting you. Then decided not to think about it.
That sounds great, Toony. Hopefully that will give PotL and the others time to chip in.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 11:09:14 pm
I'm imaginary voting you. I may have no real votes, but I have an infinite supply of imaginary ones, so I don't see any reason to FOS someone when I can imaginary vote them.
I actually considered FOSing you instead of voting you. Then decided not to think about it.
That sounds great, Toony. Hopefully that will give PotL and the others time to chip in.
Please don't do that again. You nearly gave me a heart attack man. Well not really but I started panicking. It might sound like I'm being weird here but I'm laughing cause it's kinda funny how much I panicked when I saw you did that.
Post by: Solifuge on June 05, 2013, 11:09:57 pm
...Okay guys. I think that would have been a Lenglon lynch if I was being a tight-ass. But I do agree that a 24 hour extend is far too short and we've had plenty of activity. How would everybody feel if I extended Day 1 to the end of Friday? It would be June 7th at 11pm EST.
That would be wonderful.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 11:12:37 pm
...Okay guys. I think that would have been a Lenglon lynch if I was being a tight-ass. But I do agree that a 24 hour extend is far too short and we've had plenty of activity. How would everybody feel if I extended Day 1 to the end of Friday? It would be June 7th at 11pm EST.
Friday extension? Yes please.
Post by: RangerCado on June 05, 2013, 11:16:40 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 05, 2013, 11:21:25 pm
Griffy- I said I would elaborate on my ideas pretty much when I had time. I would have time after this day. Specifically on the weekend but because of what is going on I think I will put out some strong content. Tomorrow maybe? I don't know, I have work and I need to perform at a concert tomorrow. (Ooo. Just looked at Friday afternoon and I have it off other than homework so if there is anything last minute-y I should be able to be a part of it this time.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 05, 2013, 11:22:15 pm
Please don't do that again. You nearly gave me a heart attack man. Well not really but I started panicking. It might sound like I'm being weird here but I'm laughing cause it's kinda funny how much I panicked when I saw you did that.I believe you, actually. A little surprised you'd admit to it, but I can completely understand it -- it directly contradicted what I'd said and came out of left field, and you trusted me, that's why it hit you so hard, I think.
So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.
...and now I am going to bed.
Post by: Nerjin on June 05, 2013, 11:24:34 pm
So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.
I wouldn't do that. I've not devoted as much time as I should have to this game. I've played dreadfully. I plan to rectify that in the morning. I don't think anything's happening so I should have time to really get to the bottom of things this time.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 05, 2013, 11:46:48 pm
Phantom of the Library: I call your attack on Nerjin opportunistic and bandwagony. How do you plead?I plead not guilty yer 'onor. I never set no foot by Henderson's house.
Also bandwagony? There was only one other person voting for him at the time and I didn't even take notice of that post until after I had nearly completed mine! Besides, bandwagoning is a terrible tell. 90% of the time I see it done it's by lazy town and half the people who use it as a reason for lynching are scum.
So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.Are you really that easy to win over with emotional appeals? I should remember that in the future when I'm playing as scum.
I'm dead set against a Lenglon lynch now. Unless she's composed of nothing but guts and brains and has a gambling problem, I can't see any way that she's scum.
Less sure on Nerjin, going to mull it over before moving my vote anywhere else.
Going to do another read tommorow, too tired to properly process right now.
...Okay guys. I think that would have been a Lenglon lynch if I was being a tight-ass. But I do agree that a 24 hour extend is far too short and we've had plenty of activity. How would everybody feel if I extended Day 1 to the end of Friday? It would be June 7th at 11pm EST.This would be highly preferable.
Also, all you youngsters all type too fast... Grumbleageofcell phonesandtwittergrumble, grumbleI'm nowhere near the old enough to get to call you youngsters but I'm doing it anywaygrumble...
Post by: Captain Ford on June 06, 2013, 12:01:29 am
I supremely doubt I'm going to see cracking this spectacular in the entire rest of the game.So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.
I wouldn't do that. I've not devoted as much time as I should have to this game. I've played dreadfully. I plan to rectify that in the morning. I don't think anything's happening so I should have time to really get to the bottom of things this time.
Obviously you should not take this as a license to laze about and be useless. But I don't expect that of you (not the least of which because you still have to prove yourself to everyone else). You are passionate and take things quite seriously when you put your mind to it.
(Of course you also know me well enough to know that I never stop considering every possibility, so it's not like I'm going to just give you a free pass after all)
"Ya'll started a bandwagon, mister. I counts that as grounds fer a proper hangin 'round these parts." *spits and hits the spittoon dead-on*Phantom of the Library: I call your attack on Nerjin opportunistic and bandwagony. How do you plead?I plead not guilty yer 'onor. I never set no foot by Henderson's house.
Also bandwagony? There was only one other person voting for him at the time and I didn't even take notice of that post until after I had nearly completed mine! Besides, bandwagoning is a terrible tell. 90% of the time I see it done it's by lazy town and half the people who use it as a reason for lynching are scum.
Yes, okay, bandwagoning isn't a great charge. Still great for pressing people on, though.
Many people have said this and yet no one has done it yet. In fact, the few times that people successfully discouraged me from relying on my gut, it turned out to be right.So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.Are you really that easy to win over with emotional appeals? I should remember that in the future when I'm playing as scum.
In fact, many of the people who said this were scum. I think I'll go back and count the number of times this came up and then decide on that how much harder I should press my case on you.
Why make this criticism anyway? What was the point of pointing this out?
Post by: Captain Ford on June 06, 2013, 12:23:56 am
Spoiler: Spoilered for Passion (click to show/hide)
Post by: Captain Ford on June 06, 2013, 12:25:44 am
Now I really should go to bed before I do something even more embarassing.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 06, 2013, 12:26:26 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 06, 2013, 01:52:48 am
None at all, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever as you know.
I'm no expert, in fact I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever,
But then again I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever so take what I say with a grain of salt.
That and I'm the worst player to have in any mafia game ever... But onto your points:
Oh, get over yourself.
Now, seeing as lenglon just presented a reasonable and straightforward case on Deathsword I would like you to go over every point in her list and address it fully. Just try to defend your scum buddy. If you can't retaliate to her case then I am assuming that you are voting Lenglon for no strong reason either.
I don't understand the point of asking Nerjin to respond to points made by Lenglon against Deathsword. What does Nerjin have to do with any of that?
(Gonna UNVOTE right now. i don't have the time yet for a full post for a couple hours unfortunately but lets just say Lenglon has passed my test.)
You held your vote for two days, past one original deadline, only to remove it hours before another.
This was some test you were doing.
(Theory: The bullies have 2 ways to try and NK. The first is to enter a house and kill whoevers there. (random if more than one person is inside) The second is that if they want to target a specific player, they must either not be in a house, or the bullies must know which house they are currently in. I believe that the second option holds some merit but without some other evidence, its all guess work.)
You don't even know whether the NK acts any differently than in any other game. Why are you making this speculation?
(Okay, i'm going to be leaving in a minute and will be getting back right at the lynch time so lets see if i can complete this thought process)
"Nerjin-san, Heres my reasons for voting you. Your searching has been abysmal, your reasons for voting Lenglon-san aren't anywhere near good, (their similar to what i was doing as a test so i know what i'm talking about) and you've yet to show anything that would discourage my lynch vote on you, other than making it seem you want to leave. (Joker style) I thought you might shape up but you haven't at all."
Is everything a test with you? Have you no firm opinion about a player in the game? Have you so much confidence in your vote as a tool to make or break people?
Everything being a 'test' seems like a convenient excuse to cast your vote onto targets of most convenience.
Yes I did.
Is this the grand total of your case against me, that one post way back?
Jim, another day.
You can try.
"Totally worthless, Vecooster-san? That's very presumptive to say. I have discovered that players have vastly different expectations of the bully's powers at night, a fact that might be very telling once we find out what really does happen.
Yeah that's great.
Actually it's useless.
Did it help you find scum? No, because you're voting zombie urist for a totally unrelated issue. Hence my comment about it being a useless waste of space, much like yourself.
Have I made that comment yet, in those exact words? Well, I have now.
Also, you voted me before my questionnaire, so please don't try to dress up a weak case by adding things after the fact."
So I'm supposed to ignore everything you do after I cast my vote because that's not part of the original argument I made.
Yeah totally reasonable.
"um, I dont think Ford-senpai should answer your question Griff-san."
Why not?
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother
This band of brothers stuff is a little ridiculous.
If I was in either of your position and I were scum, I would be abusing the heck out of this.
Post by: Lenglon on June 06, 2013, 02:04:32 am
"At the time I thought that he had slipped and hinted at a rolepower.""um, I dont think Ford-senpai should answer your question Griff-san."Why not?
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 09:58:42 am
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 10:47:23 am
Regarding the Griffin Players
Obviously there's an issue that Griffinpup replaced Griffionday however with just 6 posts from the latter this should be a non-issue.
Spoiler: My Notes in Full (click to show/hide)
On the whole I see the Griffin bros. (TM) as pretty solid town. I did notice a few inconsistencies. It's important to note that I used LurkerTracker starting from Toony's game opening post. So 0 = 1 for Griffionday and then I just went up from there. letters mean it's part of the same post. Now to address some issues:
@Griffinpup Why exactly are you voting Shinigami? It seems to me that by your definition that Lenglon has acted FAR more scummy.
Your case on Shinigami seems to boil down to his use of "Meta-Tells" from incomplete games unrelated to this one. However you ALSO say that voting to save yourself at the expense of town is really scummy and Lenglon does that. You actually voted her for this reason during that whole "Super-Vote Time" and then you changed your vote for no stated reason. Understandable as it was late. If you would be so kind as to elaborate on your vote that'd be dandy.
Onwards to my next read!
Post by: RangerCado on June 06, 2013, 11:24:16 am
Page 40: GriffyPup- They do feel like scum tells to me because Nerjin is not as bad a player as he's spouting to be. (Seriously, i'm worse than him) All my points show behaviour that makes it look like Nerjin is being annoying to the point where either we lynch him or ignore him. And terrible hunting from a non-newbie player is always a scum tell unless good reasons are given. (Like exam week)
Page 44: Vecooster (woah)- 1. I knew the Day would be extended atleast once, just didn't see it only adding a single day.
2. Better question is why not? The houses system (With us not knowing who owns which house and some of us don't even have one) gives a pretty big hint that NKs will not be the same. It also opens up a lot more options for role powers.
3. Isn't that what putting pressure on someone is though? A test to see their reaction and whether or not you should continue questioning them? And alone, no. A single vote with this many players won't make or break someone. And if it was for convenience, why didn't i just leave my vote on the player (Lenglon) who was more likely to get majority votes?
Nerjin: Why did you start throwing around the "worst mafia player ever" tag on yourself? You went so far as to put it under your avatar pic. And don't give a stupid answer like every other time. Also, how about giving use a few reads while your at it? (Other than Lenglon)
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 11:27:11 am
Nerjin: Why did you start throwing around the "worst mafia player ever" tag on yourself? You went so far as to put it under your avatar pic. And don't give a stupid answer like every other time. Also, how about giving use a few reads while your at it? (Other than Lenglon)
Because, according to Solifuge, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever. I got bitter. I think I'll keep it there.
Also: Look up.
I'm in the process of analyzing Death. Then I think I'll do Dariush before I take a break. I plan to get a read on everyone and stating any case I may have on them while asking questions.
Post by: Toaster on June 06, 2013, 11:32:22 am
Jim Jim:
Yes I did.
Is this the grand total of your case against me, that one post way back?
It's the foundation on which your throne of lies sits. But since we have more time...
Replacements favor the slot regardless of the original player's alignment, as any oddities can be dismissed as the previous player being weird.
Same post as the centerpiece. It's just a reinforcement on the same theme (If I acted scummy it's because the Jim facet was acting like a goofball. The Vector facet is in charge now and is totally town, yo.)
This post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286241#msg4286241) is a good example of you throwing around gentle poking "attacks" without real substance or follow-through.
There's no valuable information in the RVS. This is almost definitional; if somebody slips up and gets crap for it, then that's the moment the RVS ends.
So when, assuming you think it did, did RVS end?
Combined with your other answers, this makes it seem like you're just putting in the minimal amount of effort to avoid outing yourself as scum.
Ironic because you're doing the same thing. (PS: Being lazy is scummy, not the hypocrisy part, before you throw that back at me.)
Riddle me this- how comparatively scummy are Nerjin, NQT, Ranger, and Solifuge?
Jim, another day.
You can try.
I will.
Tiruin: What's your read of the vote shenanigans of the near-day end? Solifuge, same question.
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 11:38:50 am
Spoiler: My Notes on Death (click to show/hide)
]… and asks her who she’d fear most as scum.He's sorta tunneling Lenglon, which doesn't mean much since I've done it as well. He posts, while infrequent, do have a lot of information in them. HOWEVER he's only a slight town read since he hasn't really said anything on anyone other than Lenglon. So Slight Town
@Deathsword
1. Why didn't you get on Shinigami more about misquoting you?
2. Have your views on Lenglon changed?
3. How do you feel about all the other players and why?
Post by: Dariush on June 06, 2013, 11:48:53 am
WoTDo you get hard-ons from disassembling everything into little snippets and covering them in a layer of commenting so thick that the result becomes completely pointless and unreadable? You've done it in #547, you've done it in #655, you've done it in #659. WTF, srsly.
Because, according to Solifuge, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever. I got bitter. I think I'll keep it there.Hey, no need to get so worked up. You're definitely not the worst player ever. Assuming that we exclude those people who only played BMs, that honour easily goes to Wuba, Zrk2 and Tolyk being runner-ups. You qualify only as fourth worst player, tops. More likely even fifth (how could I forget about NQT...). See, absolutely no problem about that. Relax.
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 11:51:34 am
WoTDo you get hard-ons from disassembling everything into little snippets and covering them in a layer of commenting so thick that the result becomes completely pointless and unreadable? You've done it in #547, you've done it in #655, you've done it in #659. WTF, srsly.
It helps me get everything straight. But if it offends you I can exclude my notes and such for your case.
Quote from: The Same Post
Because, according to Solifuge, I am the worst player to have in any mafia game ever. I got bitter. I think I'll keep it there.Hey, no need to get so worked up. You're definitely not the worst player ever. Assuming that we exclude those people who only played BMs, that honour easily goes to Wuba, Zrk2 and Tolyk being runner-ups. You qualify only as fourth worst player, tops. More likely even fifth (how could I forget about NQT...). See, absolutely no problem about that. Relax.
That... That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me. I'm honestly pretty damn touched.
Post by: Lenglon on June 06, 2013, 11:55:36 am
"Um, please do include your notes. It helps me understand how you go about hunting for scum better. I'm... kinda taking notes on how you take notes."WoTDo you get hard-ons from disassembling everything into little snippets and covering them in a layer of commenting so thick that the result becomes completely pointless and unreadable? You've done it in #547, you've done it in #655, you've done it in #659. WTF, srsly.
It helps me get everything straight. But if it offends you I can exclude my notes and such for your case.
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 11:57:34 am
"Um, please do include your notes. It helps me understand how you go about hunting for scum better. I'm... kinda taking notes on how you take notes."WoTDo you get hard-ons from disassembling everything into little snippets and covering them in a layer of commenting so thick that the result becomes completely pointless and unreadable? You've done it in #547, you've done it in #655, you've done it in #659. WTF, srsly.
It helps me get everything straight. But if it offends you I can exclude my notes and such for your case.
I'm not the best person to look at for Scum-hunting tips. I'm pretty much a newb to the forum. I'd ask Jim. Maybe one of the old-hats. They'll steer you better.
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 12:37:18 pm
He's pretty... Himself... I'm getting a null-tell off him honestly. He spends a lot of time ranting about Pictures and Roleplay. Though he stated early on that he'd devote more time to Great Temple now that it's over I expect activity from him to increase in quality and quanity.
However one thing sticks out to me pretty hard.
He constantly gets on Solifuge about the cat picture. So much so that he has kept a vote on Solifuge for that exact reason. However:
He gets on (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4294360#msg4294360) Lenglon several times (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297411#msg4297411) things that are actual (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297479#msg4297479) Scumtells (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297508#msg4297508)
So I have some questions Dariush
1. Why are you voting Solifuge over Lenglon when you have noted several scum-tells on her that are much more worrisome than a cat picture?
2. What are you reads so far? Who do you think the scum-team is?
3. Now that Great Temple is over with do you plan on devoting more time to this game?
[[Note: As per request I have excluded note on Dariush. Future reads will have notes again unless people really think I should just leave them out.]]
Post by: notquitethere on June 06, 2013, 01:00:42 pm
Hey, no need to get so worked up. You're definitely not the worst player ever. Assuming that we exclude those people who only played BMs, that honour easily goes to Wuba, Zrk2 and Tolyk being runner-ups. You qualify only as fourth worst player, tops. More likely even fifth (how could I forget about NQT...). See, absolutely no problem about that. Relax.(Make that sixth: I was a better player in Mafia and Masons than you Dariush...)
#[NQT] looks a the tired students assembled in the classrooms after hours.
"Dariush-yōgisha, all you have done all day is loudly insult people while other people massage your ego by saying that it's okay, that's just Dari-chan's way of talking, but from what I've seen you've yet to make a coherent case. How about some bully picks?"
Post by: zombie urist on June 06, 2013, 01:30:05 pm
"Toaster-san, I can see Vecooster-san's point that with less than two days to the deadline, a pressure vote was not appropriate (and it's something I'll bear in mind for future), but I for one would never base a lynching case solely on those grounds-- especially when there are far more egregious mistakes being made by others, and some students have failed to make any kind of coherent case."What other egregious mistakes?
Everyone else is varying shades of gray or I just haven't gotten time to analyze yet.Be more specific please.
Unvote
LenglonWhat happened here?
Toony: votecount?
Post by: Dariush on June 06, 2013, 01:40:00 pm
He gets on (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4294360#msg4294360) Lenglon several times (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297411#msg4297411) things that are actual (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297479#msg4297479) Scumtells (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4297508#msg4297508)The first quote wasn't even addressed to Lenglon. Much good your threadcombing did you.
1. Why are you voting Solifuge over Lenglon when you have noted several scum-tells on her that are much more worrisome than a cat picture?Because Lenglon's inexperience negatively affects the clarity of all my alignment-reads on her while Solifuge switched out of 'intentionally making unreadable posts while not saying absolutely anything useful, solid or making a case on anyone' mode and into 'alternately lurking and making shitty excuses' mode, and there's no guarantee he won't switch back.
2. What are you reads so far? Who do you think the scum-team is?I never make assumptions about scumteam this early. My suspects are, roughly in descending order: Solifuge, you, NQT, Lenglon, Ford.
3. Now that Great Temple is over with do you plan on devoting more time to this game?No, I'm planning to lurk my ass off. Why do you ask?
[[Note: As per request I have excluded note on Dariush. Future reads will have notes again unless people really think I should just leave them out.]]Your sacrifice shall not be forgotten.
Ah, whom am I kidding. I already forgot it.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 06, 2013, 01:45:53 pm
Toony: votecount?Okay.
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(1)Shinigami_King - Griffion
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
(3)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(4)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, RangerCado, Tiruin
(2)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge
Day 1 will last until Friday, 6/7 at 11 PM EST.
Post by: Nerjin on June 06, 2013, 01:46:23 pm
1. Fair enough.
2. Also understandable.
3. No reason. Was just wondering if you planned to be helpful right away or if you were gonna wow us later.
4. That's okay, I forget about me too.
Post by: Lenglon on June 06, 2013, 03:56:45 pm
Your sacrifice shall not be forgotten."Dont make me hug you again mister."
Ah, whom am I kidding. I already forgot it.
"Vecoovster-senpai, after reviewing last night's events, I noticed that you took no part in it, but spoke both just before and just after they took place. you did not attempt to extend, you left your vote on NQT-senpai, and yet you were there for that entire sequence of events. Why did you stand on the sidelines and do nothing?"
Post by: griffinpup on June 06, 2013, 05:06:02 pm
@Griffinpup Why exactly are you voting Shinigami? It seems to me that by your definition that Lenglon has acted FAR more scummy.Your first question is easy. I want Shinigami to answer my questions. If he does adequately, I will turn my attention to someone else. If he doesn't, I'll lynch the lazy piece of scum.
Your case on Shinigami seems to boil down to his use of "Meta-Tells" from incomplete games unrelated to this one. However you ALSO say that voting to save yourself at the expense of town is really scummy and Lenglon does that. You actually voted her for this reason during that whole "Super-Vote Time" and then you changed your vote for no stated reason. Understandable as it was late. If you would be so kind as to elaborate on your vote that'd be dandy.
I changed my vote back to Shinigami because he still hasn't answered my questions.
To everyone: Apparently voting to save yourself at the expense of town isn't seen as scummy by everyone. If you haven't expressed an opinion on this subject yet could you do so? Also, express your reasoning behind your conclusion.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 06, 2013, 07:28:11 pm
prewritten in case of only literally having seconds to spare, but i'm only voting to tie, not to lynch. I'm just sitting here spamming preview and watching the clock.Lenglon is mafia and I'm kindof baffled that anyone saw him as more town following this event.
by doing this, he set HIMSELF up to be lynched instead of having there be a no-lynch.This is great. By your own logic, what you did (tried to force a no lynch rather than a lynch on yourself) is not a townie thing to do.
it was followed by other people voting for him, so he shifted his vote back to me, but by doing this, he was making a sacrifice play, at a time that we didn't expect the day to be extended, and it was the single towniest thing i've seen all game. Before this sequence of events, my view of nerjin was null to lean scum, it is now strong town.
Also, allow me to cite the OP:I've been thinking about this, and I've come to the conclusion that there's a good chance of a Death Note (kills someone if you can match their name to their appearance) being in this game (I seem to remember having a conversation about how to stop early massclaims with Toony aaaages ago). So probably not a good idea to silhouette claim.3. I frown on mass-claiming early on. I'll try to develop a system where mass-claiming D1 won't work but there's nothing I can do to stop players besides frown and maybe penalize them. Don't do it.
You're answering a completely different question. Which ones are most/least valid, not favorite.My favourite is my favourite because it is the most valid. My least favourite is my least favourite because it is the least valid.
Leafsnail: I am sorry that I was stupid enough to admit to what I thought you were doing. not much else I can say on the matter.Huh?
(Just a quick thing before i get back to finishing Social Studies. There has to be some underlining meaning to Nerjin's constant stating of "Worse mafia player ever." I detect him Jokering us into annoyance so we vote him out... or last ditch mafia play)I strongly suspect that it's a roleplaying thing.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 06, 2013, 08:06:27 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 06, 2013, 08:14:26 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 06, 2013, 08:46:40 pm
To everyone: Apparently voting to save yourself at the expense of town isn't seen as scummy by everyone. If you haven't expressed an opinion on this subject yet could you do so? Also, express your reasoning behind your conclusion.There's more to this. Your flip lends context to the struggles of day 1 and can help the rest of the team find scum. Saving yourself may lead to you being lynched right away the next day, wasting an entire day for the town. So there really is a lot more to be considered when making your decision.
Also, I really only weighed in on "you vs. them", not "you vs. a no-lynch". That's two totally different things.
Never suicide, though. That is never helpful.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
My imaginary vote goes to Vecooster for sitting by the sidelines last night without voting to extend.
Post by: Toaster on June 06, 2013, 09:43:18 pm
V/LA: 6/7 through 6/9. I don't know how much PFP I can do in that time frame, if any.
I'm totally cool with my vote on Jimvector. Nerjin Scum is pretty plausible too though so I won't be sad if he hangs.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 06, 2013, 09:47:15 pm
Reads on other players
Why are you doing this?
2. Better question is why not? The houses system (With us not knowing who owns which house and some of us don't even have one) gives a pretty big hint that NKs will not be the same. It also opens up a lot more options for role powers.
For all you know the nightkill operates exactly the same as it always does. For all you know it doesn't.
Until you have something more concrete to work with, what good is this speculation?
3. Isn't that what putting pressure on someone is though? A test to see their reaction and whether or not you should continue questioning them? And alone, no. A single vote with this many players won't make or break someone.
Yes, that is what a pressure vote is, but that's not what I'm asking.
Who can you say among your list of suspects that you want to lynch, no pressure required?
And if it was for convenience, why didn't i just leave my vote on the player (Lenglon) who was more likely to get majority votes?
There's more to voting the most convenient target than just the amount of votes that player has. If it hides you better as scum, that's also a convenient target.
In this case it could be both; Nerjin had plenty of votes already, had several people make strong cases against him, and Lenglon begun having a few players here and there defend her. It's easy enough to go with the flow and be 'convinced' by arguments presented by other players regarding both of these players and change your vote.
To everyone: Apparently voting to save yourself at the expense of town isn't seen as scummy by everyone. If you haven't expressed an opinion on this subject yet could you do so? Also, express your reasoning behind your conclusion.
I don't think anybody should do a last minute vote change to save their own skin ever, since all that does is move their lynch from Day 1 to Day 2. They're better off dying proud and defiant than tying the vote and messing the rest of the town up.
But it's only as scummy as how it's done; if they're fighting tooth and nail trying to convince everyone of their case, then tying the vote just barely passes into not okay territory. If they silently wait until the last minute to change their vote, a speedy Day 2 lynch is better than they deserve.
It's the foundation on which your throne of lies sits.
It is a very nice throne.
Oh, excuse me. A very nice throne you accuse me of sitting upon.
Same post as the centerpiece. It's just a reinforcement on the same theme (If I acted scummy it's because the Jim facet was acting like a goofball. The Vector facet is in charge now and is totally town, yo.)
Do you deny that replacements in general favor the slot?
I don't understand the point of you mentioning this, when my answer to that particular RV question would be identical regardless of my alignment.
This post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286241#msg4286241) is a good example of you throwing around gentle poking "attacks" without real substance or follow-through.
This is an unfair example, actually, since that post is in the early game, when most people are making gentle poking "attacks" without real substance or follow-through.
So when, assuming you think it did, did RVS end?
Around when you voted me and when I voted SK.
Ironic because you're doing the same thing. (PS: Being lazy is scummy, not the hypocrisy part, before you throw that back at me.)
I disagree, of course.
I don't know how you can accuse me of being lazy in this game. In terms of productivity and activity I think this is one of my better games, compared to when I last played before this. (Not swimming in a sea of math homework helps.)
Riddle me this- how comparatively scummy are Nerjin, NQT, Ranger, and Solifuge?
NQT >>>>> Nerjin >> RangerCado >> Solifuge.
"Vecoovster-senpai, after reviewing last night's events, I noticed that you took no part in it, but spoke both just before and just after they took place. you did not attempt to extend, you left your vote on NQT-senpai, and yet you were there for that entire sequence of events. Why did you stand on the sidelines and do nothing?"
I most certainly was not there for that entire sequence of events. I made a post before and a post after. This does not mean I was watching what was going on. I was engaged in non-mafia activities, which I occasionally indulge in out of necessity and sometimes for diversion. Things like eating, sleeping, playing a video game or two.
Had I witnessed the silliness that was the game near the deadline, I would have broken the tie. It would have been against Nerjin, for all of you who are rushing to ask me that.
My imaginary vote goes to Vecooster for sitting by the sidelines last night without voting to extend.
Everybody has a goshdarned stiffie over extensions.
I hate extensions. Hating extensions is my thing. This is an old hatred, extending back years. They slow the game down and I am impatient. If I request an extension, it's because I personally do not have enough time to play, I haven't gotten a good enough read on the game to make a solid decision, I want to hear from somebody who's been inactive, or, on occasion, I'm being nice.
This is not the case with this game. I'd rather see people make up their goshdarned minds, especially in the last minute, and get on with the goshdarned game, than extend.
See my response to Lenglon about sitting idly by. If I was around I still wouldn't have extended, by the way. But breaking the tie is something I would have been more than willing to do.
Post by: griffinpup on June 06, 2013, 09:52:43 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lenglon on June 06, 2013, 10:02:49 pm
I don't think anybody should do a last minute vote change to save their own skin ever, since all that does is move their lynch from Day 1 to Day 2. They're better off dying proud and defiant than tying the vote and messing the rest of the town up."Jcoovster-senpai: why didn't you voice an opinion about if I should have tried to tie the vote before the day nearly ended? I was very open about what I was planning to do, and I wanted input from my seniors. the only opinions I got were from Ford-senpai and Griff-san, but you were active and posted at the time. If you thought I was planning to do wrong, why didn't you warn me before I tried it? If you were available at 10 minutes before, you could have made time to interfere. You even acknowledged that the vote was tied at the time you posted, and I had said quite clearly what I planned to do. I cannot believe you were somehow ignorant of the events that were about to occur."
...
But it's only as scummy as how it's done; if they're fighting tooth and nail trying to convince everyone of their case, then tying the vote just barely passes into not okay territory. If they silently wait until the last minute to change their vote, a speedy Day 2 lynch is better than they deserve.
...
Had I witnessed the silliness that was the game near the deadline, I would have broken the tie. It would have been against Nerjin, for all of you who are rushing to ask me that.
...
See my response to Lenglon about sitting idly by. If I was around I still wouldn't have extended, by the way. But breaking the tie is something I would have been more than willing to do.
Post by: Lenglon on June 06, 2013, 10:05:43 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 06, 2013, 10:06:14 pm
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 06, 2013, 10:29:03 pm
I'm dead set against a Lenglon lynch now. Unless she's composed of nothing but guts and brains and has a gambling problem, I can't see any way that she's scum.Huuurrr durrrr, this is lucid Phantom here to tell you that tired Phantom is even more of a moron than normal Phantom and has the additional flaw of being unable to read apparently.
Still reading Lenglon as flailing new-town but I'm less sure now that I'm actually reading what was written. For some reason I thought she was originally tying the vote to prevent Nerjin from being lynched instead of herself.
I'm slightly less sure of Nerjin's scummitude than I was before, but my vote is staying where it is.
Ford:
Because in the space of thirty minutes you went from imaginary voting him, to calling him the towniest of town. Also, this:Many people have said this and yet no one has done it yet. In fact, the few times that people successfully discouraged me from relying on my gut, it turned out to be right.So, Imaginary Unvote Nerjin. I pronounce you Squeaky Clean Townie.Are you really that easy to win over with emotional appeals? I should remember that in the future when I'm playing as scum.
In fact, many of the people who said this were scum. I think I'll go back and count the number of times this came up and then decide on that how much harder I should press my case on you.
Why make this criticism anyway? What was the point of pointing this out?
If I was in either of your position and I were scum, I would be abusing the heck out of this.
Why are you flip-flopping all over the place? First Nerjin's scum then he's suddenly beyond suspicion, then I'm scum, then suddenly Vecooster is scum. I know you're unlynchable and "not afraid" and all that, but at least try to be the tiniest bit consistent?
NQT: I know it was rhetorical, but could you at least acknowledge my earlier question instead of ignoring it?
Post by: zombie urist on June 06, 2013, 11:04:09 pm
NQT: I know it was rhetorical, but could you at least acknowledge my earlier question instead of ignoring it?What's the point of answering a rhetorical question?
Internet was horribly bad today and yesterday. I'll have a post out tomorrow.
Toony, could we please get a prod on deathsword?This was pretty convenient. :P
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 06, 2013, 11:26:24 pm
"Jcoovster-senpai: why didn't you voice an opinion about if I should have tried to tie the vote before the day nearly ended? I was very open about what I was planning to do, and I wanted input from my seniors. the only opinions I got were from Ford-senpai and Griff-san, but you were active and posted at the time. If you thought I was planning to do wrong, why didn't you warn me before I tried it? If you were available at 10 minutes before, you could have made time to interfere. You even acknowledged that the vote was tied at the time you posted, and I had said quite clearly what I planned to do. I cannot believe you were somehow ignorant of the events that were about to occur."
How am I scum for not telling you what not to do?
How does that even make any sense?
Even if I were somehow available enough to give you the advice, which I shall repeat, I was not.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 07, 2013, 12:09:58 am
My read on Lenglon- The body of this can wait until tomorrow for when I get out of school, that will be before the lynch and I will have the entire afternoon off. For now I'll summarize my thoughts.
-I lie meta. I think it's cool to be able to know what to expect before even staring and using those inconsistencies as a method to scum hunt. Lenglon has been acting normally. That entire busyness with the last minute votes... well I'm still confused.
-Lenglon, disregarding her meta, is still a town read to me.
a. Because she seems to actively be looking for scum
b. She seems to do a relatively decent job at scumhunting
c. She hasn't really dropped any major scumtells in my oppinion
More on Lenglon tomorrow~
My read on Nerjin- He has weak cases and seems to jump from person to person. Normally I wouldn't care due to the fact that he could just be pressuring but his cases just don't seem to stick.
-Once again that last minute lynch session thing-a-ma-do-hickey throws me off so I don't know.
-I like what he is doing with all the reads and how he is recording his notes. What I don't like is how there is no pressure to his reads. He simply states things. It feels like he wants to look like good guy Greg.
That's all right now really. I'm really tired. :'(
Post by: Nerjin on June 07, 2013, 12:13:26 am
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 12:17:41 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 07, 2013, 01:08:24 am
"Um, Jecoovster-senpai, your answer to me was incomplete. You said that if you had known the vote was tied, you would have voted to break it. you said ten minutes before the day end that the vote was tied. you did not vote to break the tie. This contradiction screams scum to me."
I pointed out the tie as soon as I saw it, and then I went back to what I was doing, which was not sitting in front of my computer refreshing the thread. I knew the deadline was soon but I had no idea that it was ten minutes away. Had I known I might've broke the tie right then and there, but then we come back to I WAS NOT AROUND VERY MUCH.
Do you have any idea how unrealistic it is to expect that players in a game of forum mafia will be available enough to make time-critical decisions like that?
In other words, get off my junk.
I plan to pressure when I finish my full reads. That being said internet's not being cooperative.
At the rate you're going, we can expect pressure from your reads some time during... Day 3.
What a clever time-wasting strategy!
Post by: Tiruin on June 07, 2013, 01:48:21 am
This post has been made from descending observations from my last post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4294593#msg4294593)
Sorry. Real busy. Wall of text.
Deathsword
What is 'being quite harsh' on her accusations to you mean? Do you feel that she's trying to set you up or something? Seems that you're bothered by Lenglon's strikes at you to point this out without any expounding on the matter.One could argue that by calling more agressive people jerks and abusive, you are being a jerk yourself. You are being quite harsh in your accusations of me being scum. But being a jerk is hardly scummy, nor is hipocrisy (as I said earlier). The point is that if Tiruin felt bothered by another player's attitute, she could easily handle that herself, instead of having someone look like her friend and defend her.Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself.This is quite frankly pathetic. The only time I defended Tiruin-sama in any way was when Jim-chan was being hurtful to her and wasn't even trying to scumhunt in the process. I haven't touched a single scumhunting-related accusation. I just plain don't like it when people are abusive jerks to each other. I have no intention of letting people be needlessly hurtful, period. I was quite clear on that at the time, and this entire accusation is quite frankly stupid.
And no, calling other people jerks because they are aggressive or abusive does not make you a jerk. That's just stupid. >_>
You stated
Quote
Once more appeals to emotion and attempts to discredit me. Also, why not just say "I disagree" (as some have said, before you accuse me of "regurgitating") instead of making some great block of text in which you say exactly the same thing in a round-about and emotionally-infused way? It could be a slip. It could be a smokescreen. Either way, it looks wierd and suspicious.In regard to when you called her out for fluffy posts. You did not quote or link said fluffy posts along with their context and theoretical use. Why didn't you?
Also, that note to me here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4295066#msg4295066) invokes testimonials (or...opinions from other people as the idea I'm aiming for). I don't want that.
While I do get that you seemingly answered me question
I want a straight answer. Not something to be connected or pulled out of context.Deathsword, speaking of nitpicking, I noticed that you didn't even address this question from Tiruin:I believe the answer to Tiruin's question is within that wall of text, even if I haven't specifically pointed it out. As for your second accusation, I have been busy. Extremely so. I'm swamped in tests, hard ones. I even had one today. So I simply cannot be posting at all times. If you can (and it seems that way), good for you. I can't.Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?You also took until today to even remotely address my lurking accusation to you. Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?
Ford
True, yeah..I was judging because of that still traumatic episode of Vector in that one game wherein she was bulletproof and had a recruiting power. That one BYOE. >_<"Very interesting. So we can't boot you out of here, nor can you boot anyone else out, huh. I believe you've an ulterior motive given that idea, or you're just a bully with a fair disguise." Meaning: Some king of unlynchable bully..though I find it hard to believe (but that annoying case of VECTOR WAS UN-NK-ABLE BUT SCUM in one of the Mafia games now weigh on my suspicions) but I still find it hard to believe. Third-party, perhaps..I really would rather you judge me on my actions than on my claim. I haven't claimed enough for you to make an informed judgment based solely on my claim.
"So you seem too much of a goody-two-shoes to be kicked out, I'd like to ask how you're going to use your rapport to your advantage, Ford-san?"
NQT
Tiruin picks up an 8B pencil and begins filing out the paper.
Sleeping Arrangements and Shadows
Everyone- yes you- do you think we should stay in our own houses tonight?
> If you want to stay over at my house, I'm ok with it. If you want to stay at your house..err, I'm ok with that too. I've no idea why you're asking this.
Why are you asking this? How do you think house placement (or people placement) makes or has an effect here? I'm seeing it mostly as flavor.
Is there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
> I believe there is.. given that as we've got something according to who we are, we should safeguard it until a long time later because..err, personal protection? I don't know the correct term for it, but I'm against a mass claim as I'm operating on the factor that we've something new and different from other schools [Mafia games]--it must have importance.
Is it likely that bullies need to know where we live or where we're sleeping to get us?
> I figure this would be something that would happen, but given how the principal acts with the local police force and neighborhood security, once a strike is given (because those bully rumors about the past are scary..), then the house is off limits. So..I'm pretty undecided here, but I'm leaning on 'they'll do it randomly' given how the Principal's Original Rules are.
= "6. A kicked out, harassed/bullied away, dead, or won player's house cannot be entered anymore."
...Why're you asking such specific questions?
Leafsnail
On the first part: That is generalizing, though I do have to agree on that matter of being meek. However, anyone can prod at posts made by a person--it is not the case that someone is meek, that they are aiming for something ulterior. I've to disagree with the bolded part as this is ultimately a downfall or detriment in the long run for scumbags, newbie or not. What I'm seeing are scum wanting to try to be active--waiting until people would slip up-- then riding their faults and gauging other's responses. Easy scum game that way.To add to Leafsnail, What's wrong with being 'meek as hell', (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289963#msg4289963) huh? How does that even avoid anything?If you state your opinions clearly then you are likely to get into fights and attract attention. If you act meek and passive then you are not. Avoiding attention is something highly desirable for mafia members, and they don't care about the downside to being meek (totally ineffective scumhunting) while town players do.Second, you didn't even reply to her most pertinent point (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290214#msg4290214) to your allegation back there (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4293685#msg4293685). Why didn't you, and what did you make of it, assuming you read over it.Yeah I didn't read it because it was a huge awkward wall of purple text.
It starts with a deflection to lurkers, again missing the point of active lurking as an allegation. The rest of it seems to be an attempt to buddy me, or stuff I feel I have already adequately responded to.
To be evasive? Easy spotting.
Second part: No. Really. You state what you see there, but not addressing any part of it to Lenglon, huh. You see an attempt, and you don't remark on that attempt to her?
Jim Vector
They played in the same BMs..so I'm guessing that works.Shinigami:
"Seeing as you've known Lenglon for quite some time, what do you see about her? Read? What about her post-habits? Regardless of roleplaying, do you see anything else there?"
Wait, are there a bunch of kids from the samehighmiddle school playing this game right now?
zombie urist
Really? That's it? That's your whole idea on the current situation at the time of your post there?ZU: You're missing out on a lot--I'm guessing its due to activity, what's your idea on the current situation?Sometimes it feels like Lenglon's playing an entirely different game. ???
As an added question: What game is she playing?
Solifuge
I love your art. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4296601#msg4296601)
What's your take on using your personal vote anyway? Why later, instead of the current time? Will the time being near day end have any effect on any case you're trying to present?
Nerjin
No he didn't.QuoteIs there any danger for non-bullies if we mass claim our silhouettes now?
Yes because Toony said in the OP that he'd probably penalize mass-claims early on.
Quote
3. I frown on mass-claiming early on. I'll try to develop a system where mass-claiming D1 won't work but there's nothing I can do to stop players besides frown and maybe penalize them. Don't do it.He'd frown. Making the principal frown isn't a good thing.
What's your take on that hypothetical mass-claim?
Griffio-griffinpup
Tiruin: What's your opinion on Lenglon jumping to your defense?"Ambivalent. I saw nothing wrong with her remark on Jim being a meanie meanie..nor do I see any relation with that point of her 'defending me' in a Mafia context."
Lenglon
I'm picking a bit of cordiality between you two. Why did you ask him that question in that certain way?(OOC, just for you.)Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?Your first RPless post and you manage to say what is likely the single scummiest thing this game. You're asking a person there is a bandwagon on and on whom you don't have any case why you shouldn't join on the bandwagon. Simultaneously, you manage to combine extreme laziness, passive agressiveness, OMGUS and baseless voting into one ultra-scummy sentence. That's... I have no words.
bah, that only holds true if I'd actually voted for him.
Shinigami_King
"What is your take on Lenglon, and your views on those attacking her? What are you doing in scumhunting her?"
Captain Ford
"I've to ask. What purpose was this prod to our fellow zombie enthusiast? When prod means Vote."
zombie urist:And the purpose of shifting it to ToasteR? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299130#msg4299130)WTF is going on?Why did you unvote Lenglon?
Unvote
Extend
And then this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299171#msg4299171)
Ford
You did not answer my question--third chocolate quote. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4295752#msg4295752) You evaded it.
Quote
How are you going to use your..immunity (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290828#msg4290828) as a benefit to finding them bullies? How are you going to act when in school, hmm? Any difference?"Linked for posterity because I'm really betting I've a lot to catch up later.
Toaster
Tiruin: What's your read of the vote shenanigans of the near-day end? Solifuge, same question."I have no response but confusion. I will try to get a re-read on that part and correlate it with earlier posts later. Sadly, I don't think I'll be able to give my say on our principal's dismissal. So blargh.
"Total. Confusion. The shift from Nerjin//Lenglon was quite the kicker. And then everyone else jumped in because of ties.
"Also, I like your new avatar. So sleek and shiny."
NQT
"Dariush-yōgisha, all you have done all day is loudly insult people while other people massage your ego by saying that it's okay, that's just Dari-chan's way of talking, but from what I've seen you've yet to make a coherent case. How about some bully picks?"Bully picks is all you're asking of him? Is all you've got after noticing all that on him? Uh huh. Why picks?
Why picks, at this time?
"So...with all that done, I'd just like to inform everyone ahead of time that I won't be available in the next hours because of personal stuff. Yep."
Medical Mission from Saturday ~4pm or so, GMT +8
Hopefully my conundrum with our connection would be fixed after then, still.
..Wait, just read up.
...Okay guys. I think that would have been a Lenglon lynch if I was being a tight-ass. But I do agree that a 24 hour extend is far too short and we've had plenty of activity. How would everybody feel if I extended Day 1 to the end of Friday? It would be June 7th at 11pm EST.>_> Well. That still works.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 04:23:59 am
Lenglon"I am not sure whether the him in your question refers to Nerjin-senpai or Dariush-senpai. If you are refering to Dariush-senpai then I dont understand the question. If you are referring to Nerjin-senpai then I think I answered your question already in the following quotes." and out comes the tape recorder again.I'm picking a bit of cordiality between you two. Why did you ask him that question in that certain way?(OOC, just for you.)Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?Your first RPless post and you manage to say what is likely the single scummiest thing this game. You're asking a person there is a bandwagon on and on whom you don't have any case why you shouldn't join on the bandwagon. Simultaneously, you manage to combine extreme laziness, passive agressiveness, OMGUS and baseless voting into one ultra-scummy sentence. That's... I have no words.
bah, that only holds true if I'd actually voted for him.
-snip-
-snip-"In summary, I asked Nerjin-senpai a vague question that implied I was going to vote for him because I wanted to see if he would react by defending against whatever accusations were weighing most heavily on his mind."
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 10:36:51 am
Shinigami_King: I'll wait for your post today to respond to everything you've said, but I have a few more questions that I want you to answer in your next post.
Remember to respond with your opinion about screwing the town over with a no-lynch to save your own skin.
What's your opinion on the "vote-fest" that happened?
When will you have time to actually post?
Since Lenglon is apparently scumhunting well, he must be finding scum, right? Do you think Deathsword, the only person Lenglon has pressured in depth so far, is scum?
Why did you join this game at the same time you left the BM for being too busy? (this question doesn't really relate to this game, but I want to know)
Lenglon:
In my reread, I found this little gem. Kudos for Leafsnail catching this.
You never responded to this that I can see.
Elaborating on Leafsnail's point, you opinion is that Nerjin is now town because he set himself up to be lynched instead of having there be a no-lynch. You did the exact opposite. You bandwagon voted the person with the next most votes to save your own skin, causing a no-lynch scenario. By your own logic, you did the opposite of the "single towniest thing all game" by doing the single scummiest thing I've seen all game. And now I do believe that you're scum. Apparently when there's an imminent threat of being lynched, you resort to makingby doing this, he set HIMSELF up to be lynched instead of having there be a no-lynch.This is great. By your own logic, what you did (tried to force a no lynch rather than a lynch on yourself) is not a townie thing to do.
it was followed by other people voting for him, so he shifted his vote back to me, but by doing this, he was making a sacrifice play, at a time that we didn't expect the day to be extended, and it was the single towniest thing i've seen all game. Before this sequence of events, my view of nerjin was null to lean scum, it is now strong town.
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 11:43:20 am
3. Although Nerjin is currently being more helpful now, his actions previous i still find scummy. Your the least likely to agree with me about anything though so trying to convincing you is a waste of time.
Post by: zombie urist on June 07, 2013, 11:47:15 am
Apparently when there's an imminent threat of being lynched, you resort to makingMaking what?
zombie uristWell that's the bare-bones simplification. Lenglon doesn't seem to grasp the concepts and the vocabulary of the game (active-lurking, wifom, etc)Really? That's it? That's your whole idea on the current situation at the time of your post there?ZU: You're missing out on a lot--I'm guessing its due to activity, what's your idea on the current situation?Sometimes it feels like Lenglon's playing an entirely different game. ???
As an added question: What game is she playing?
Post by: Vector on June 07, 2013, 11:51:49 am
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 11:57:06 am
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 11:58:22 am
Yo. I'll be switching back in for myself at the end of this Day.Can we still say Vecooster?
Post by: Vector on June 07, 2013, 12:02:05 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 12:02:45 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 12:38:52 pm
What motivation other then self-preservation is there to no-lynch a vote at the last minute?
The fact that you were on the top scum pick the first day BEFORE you did this scummy action means that it's highly unlikely that after such an action that you'd be able to convince anyone the following day to not lynch you. This would result in a wasted day for Town, and you still being lynched. If your goal really is for town to win, what logic went through your head that made you think that you had any chance to prove to be less scummy after these actions? After all, if you're not trying to improve your image, which apparently you're not, you'll still look just as scummy as before.
You're right about Nerjin doing a very townish thing. What if someone immediately counteracted Nerjin's attempt to create a lynch. Would you see that as scummy?
Will you try to tie the vote again tonight by voting Nerjin?
Post by: Toaster on June 07, 2013, 12:41:53 pm
Lenglon has caught Jim out on another blatant lie. He said that he is paying attention to the end of the day, and yet he "didn't know when the day ended.". This stream of lies is unconsionable, and he needs to hang like the scum he is.
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 12:48:53 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 12:52:23 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 07, 2013, 01:04:51 pm
It is, even if you do not wish to accept it.I believe Deathsword completely answered your question. What specifically do you think he missed?
My quoted accusation had three parts:Deathsword, speaking of nitpicking, I noticed that you didn't even address this question from Tiruin:I believe the answer to Tiruin's question is within that wall of text, even if I haven't specifically pointed it out. As for your second accusation, I have been busy. Extremely so. I'm swamped in tests, hard ones. I even had one today. So I simply cannot be posting at all times. If you can (and it seems that way), good for you. I can't.Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?You also took until today to even remotely address my lurking accusation to you. Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?
1)Deathsword didn't address the quoted question from Tiruin. (he did address a question from tiruin, but not the quoted one, the quoted one is not answered in his wall of text, despite his claim. I do agree that he addressed this question, even though his statement was wrong)
and finally the part he didn't answer:[/quote]
3)Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?this was ignored completely.
I didn't answer this because it is a stupid question, as I have not nitpicked, despite your claims otherwise.
he also ignored my question about why he listed NQT as lurking and the more drawn-out nitpicking accusation in the large post above my small ones.I actually had forgotten who had asked this question, but here's the answer: I did not list NQT because he was lurking. I was asked to list passive-agressive players. He was one.
In your little list, there is something I'd like to point out:
Deathsword is scum.I bolded one of the lines. You claim my post count is low. It indeed is low. But those posts you haven't mentioned? They have a lot of content. Convenient that you would ignore that, isn't it? And isn't it ironic you accuse me of the very same things you do? As for the lack of questions, I don't require them right now with the ammount of content available.
Deathsword has not asked a single question since his first post of the game, during the very start of the RVS phase.
Deathsword voted on a target of opportunity, using other people's arguments, and none of his own, including old nonsensical ones.
Deathsword is not answering all the questions asked of him.
Deathsword has used borderline lurking behavior in the past to hide when he is scum.
Deathsword is currently using borderline lurking behavior.
Deathsword has posted six times, three of those contain no content, one is an opening RVS post.
Deathsword has taken quotes out of context.
Deathsword set off my instincts on a large scale, and I should trust my instincts.
Dariush pointed this out:
Being Dariush, people mostly ignored it, but indeed it is scummy. Why? It means you do not care about who you are voting for or who gets lynched as long as it is not you. There is even more evidence to support this in the next paragraph.Nerjin: I think I understand why you have multiple people voting for you now, Is there any reason for me not to join in?Your first RPless post and you manage to say what is likely the single scummiest thing this game. You're asking a person there is a bandwagon on and on whom you don't have any case why you shouldn't join on the bandwagon. Simultaneously, you manage to combine extreme laziness, passive agressiveness, OMGUS and baseless voting into one ultra-scummy sentence. That's... I have no words.
Then came that last-minute voting spree. A no-lynch does not benefit town in any setup, with some very (very) few exceptions. This is not one of them. But that is not what made it a scum move. Proposing a no-lynch and voting for one is pretty much null. Trying to make a tie to save your own skin is scummy. A lot. A whole fucking lot. I cannot stress this enough.
@Deathsword
1. Why didn't you get on Shinigami more about misquoting you?
2. Have your views on Lenglon changed?
3. How do you feel about all the other players and why?
1. I believed, and still do, that it was just a mistake
2. Only from "scum" to "100% scum"
3. NQT makes a lot of weak attacks and pops in and out without doing any actual thing. PotL is absent and hasn't increased the quantity of content per post to compensate for that. Solifuge keeps promising to build cases and such but instead is nowhere to be seen.
My read on Lenglon- The body of this can wait until tomorrow for when I get out of school, that will be before the lynch and I will have the entire afternoon off. For now I'll summarize my thoughts.So tying the vote to save your own skin at the town's expense is completely acceptable and you would do it if in a similar position?
-I lie meta. I think it's cool to be able to know what to expect before even staring and using those inconsistencies as a method to scum hunt. Lenglon has been acting normally. That entire busyness with the last minute votes... well I'm still confused.
-Lenglon, disregarding her meta, is still a town read to me.
a. Because she seems to actively be looking for scum
b. She seems to do a relatively decent job at scumhunting
c. She hasn't really dropped any major scumtells in my oppinion
Deathsword"being quite harsh on her accusations" means exactly that. Literally what I typed. I feel she was (and is) taking things extremely personal as if it was an attack on her person and that she had to retaliate.What is 'being quite harsh' on her accusations to you mean? Do you feel that she's trying to set you up or something? Seems that you're bothered by Lenglon's strikes at you to point this out without any expounding on the matter.One could argue that by calling more agressive people jerks and abusive, you are being a jerk yourself. You are being quite harsh in your accusations of me being scum. But being a jerk is hardly scummy, nor is hipocrisy (as I said earlier). The point is that if Tiruin felt bothered by another player's attitute, she could easily handle that herself, instead of having someone look like her friend and defend her.Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself.This is quite frankly pathetic. The only time I defended Tiruin-sama in any way was when Jim-chan was being hurtful to her and wasn't even trying to scumhunt in the process. I haven't touched a single scumhunting-related accusation. I just plain don't like it when people are abusive jerks to each other. I have no intention of letting people be needlessly hurtful, period. I was quite clear on that at the time, and this entire accusation is quite frankly stupid.
You statedI was somewhat more irritated than usual due to real-life events, but the links in one of those posts would have been the same, even if I had provided them outside a quote.QuoteOnce more appeals to emotion and attempts to discredit me. Also, why not just say "I disagree" (as some have said, before you accuse me of "regurgitating") instead of making some great block of text in which you say exactly the same thing in a round-about and emotionally-infused way? It could be a slip. It could be a smokescreen. Either way, it looks wierd and suspicious.In regard to when you called her out for fluffy posts. You did not quote or link said fluffy posts along with their context and theoretical use. Why didn't you?
Also, that note to me here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4295066#msg4295066) invokes testimonials (or...opinions from other people as the idea I'm aiming for). I don't want that.
While I do get that you seemingly answered me questionLenglon is concerned with saving herself. She puts herself before the town and her "hunting" reflects that. She attacks on the tiniest little bullshit reasons such as "nitpicking" (adressed above) and others. The ammount of fluff in her posts has decreased admirably, but the ammount of scumtells has increased as well.I want a straight answer. Not something to be connected or pulled out of context.Deathsword, speaking of nitpicking, I noticed that you didn't even address this question from Tiruin:I believe the answer to Tiruin's question is within that wall of text, even if I haven't specifically pointed it out. As for your second accusation, I have been busy. Extremely so. I'm swamped in tests, hard ones. I even had one today. So I simply cannot be posting at all times. If you can (and it seems that way), good for you. I can't.Deathsword: What do you think of how Lenglon is working on her targets? Is there any scummy motive to her posts in relation to them?You also took until today to even remotely address my lurking accusation to you. Why are you being so careful to nitpick what little details you think will compliment your arguments best, and not answering anything that seems inconvenient at the time?
[/quote]
Also:
That's another deceptive set of questions Griff-san. The reason I thought a day 1 no-lynch would be more beneficial than a day 1 town-lynch was that I think we have a lot of power roles among us. specifically I think that every single person here has a power role of some kind. This large cluster of power roles is something that I think favors a long game for the town. I did not think my choice of actions would make me look more townie, I simply did not care. This is why I did what I did, and why I almost went ahead and tied the vote again, despite Nerjin-senpai's wishes, which he proved himself to be town. Tonight? I have no intention of voting Nerjin-senpai under any circumstances tonight, short of him confessing to being scum. If that choice leads to my demise, so be it. In the meantime, Deathsword-senpai is still scum, there's just no point in questioning someone who isn't there. I'm currently suspicious of Vecooster-senpai, and am waiting for his response to my last question. If his response is unsatisfactory, then I plan to leave my vote on him through the lynch, unless enough votes land on Deathsword-senpai that he could be lynched, in which case I will switch it back.Bolded part: You can ask me as many questions as you like and I will answer them. I have been consistently answering questions, trying to claim otherwise is pure bovine fecal matter.
Post by: notquitethere on June 07, 2013, 01:10:43 pm
Testing the waters to see how people will react when they find out your alignment, are we?"Ah, Phantom-san, I was actually intending to reply to this, thanks for reminding me. We can be pretty certain from how the set up has been explained that there are benign third-parties. I'm not claiming to be of such an alignment, but it had surprised me that no else was talking about the possibility. Sometimes we can focus too much on bullies and ignore other school-relevant factors."
Everybody has a goshdarned stiffie over extensions."Jim-san, this, at least, is something we can agree on. I for one hate school day that last forever. But if you're so opposed then why don't you oppose extension?"
I hate extensions. Hating extensions is my thing. This is an old hatred, extending back years. They slow the game down and I am impatient. If I request an extension, it's because I personally do not have enough time to play, I haven't gotten a good enough read on the game to make a solid decision, I want to hear from somebody who's been inactive, or, on occasion, I'm being nice.
"Vector-san, what do you think to the claims your split-personality has been making?"
Why are you asking this? How do you think house placement (or people placement) makes or has an effect here? I'm seeing it mostly as flavor.
Bully picks is all you're asking of him? Is all you've got after noticing all that on him? Uh huh. Why picks?"Tiruin-sama, if you think house placements are incidental to the bullying at this school, then I think you are willfully ignoring the central place they've occupy in the rules. Do you think Toony-senpai is asking us where we want to sleep at night just for fun? I'm asking Dariush-yōgisha for some content because thus far we have got nothing but whining."
Why picks, at this time?
#[NQT] looks around the class at the tired students assembled.
"Thank you everyone who returned a questionnaire. We now know the following things:
- Tonight most of use are going to sleep around friend's houses.
- Some students appear to be soft-claiming abilities that depend on what house they are in.
- There is a consensus that we shouldn't claim shadows.
- Most people think the houses are important, Tiruin-sama doesn't seem to.
- Some people think the scum will target houses, some people think they can infallible target people, others suspect a Death Note type scenario.
- Some students are dismissive of the questionnaire-- perhaps because they are afraid of us sharing knowledge?
"When we know a little bit more tomorrow, we can compare what people claimed to think would happen with what actually did happen.
"If there's any questions I've missed then please say! Or any new things-- I'll be around until the end of the day!" :D
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 07, 2013, 01:12:57 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 01:15:41 pm
PPE:
Interesting, Lenglon. I don't have much time right now, but I want to know.
Would you support a no-lynch over anyone's lynch?
Also, just because they're deceptive questinos doesn't mean you shouldn't answer them all.
What if someone immediately counteracted Nerjin's attempt to create a lynch. Would you see that as scummy?
Do you think that you had any chance to prove to be less scummy after these actions?
Warning - while you were typing 3 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Well... That sucks. Screw it, I'll read your guys posts when I have more time. I'll just post this for now
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 01:35:21 pm
Please tell me what you think of Vecoovster-senpai's actions, or lack thereof, last night.
Please also tell me what your opinion is Dariush-senpai, Solifuge-senpai, and Tiruin-sama, and why."
Interesting, Lenglon. I don't have much time right now, but I want to know."For the people who weren't there at the near-day-end, please keep the timestamps in mind during your review. many of the posts written there were made simultaneously, and don't take into account all of the posts above them."
Would you support a no-lynch over anyone's lynch? "No, earlier I would have supported a no-lynch over a confirmed-town lynch. tonight I plan on supporting a lynch in general, and if it becomes a tie between me and Nerjin again I will self-vote. I am that convinced he is town, and he seems more adept at scumhunting then me. also, my role is not critical to the town, while his is totally unknown, and might be important. what has changed since last time is I have gotten more input from my seniors, and I have gotten strong evidence that Nerjin is town."
Also, just because they're deceptive questinos doesn't mean you shouldn't answer them all. "They were leading questions, with implied answers, if you have any in mind you really do want me to answer then please repeat them."
What if someone immediately counteracted Nerjin's attempt to create a lynch. Would you see that as scummy? "probably, it depends on context."
Do you think that you had any chance to prove to be less scummy after these actions? "some, but not much. several of the people here have solidified their opinions. another extension would be pointless."
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 01:46:22 pm
Quick post. I would probably tie the vote without thinking about the repercussions. I'm the kind of person who just wants to keep playing. But instead of tying the vote I would try to show how I wasn't scum and how others deserve to be lynched instead.What was this a response to?
Post by: Captain Ford on June 07, 2013, 02:03:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Phantom of the Library:
First off, I never said Nerjin was scum, nor did I ever say he was beyond suspicion. I have in fact said the exact opposite of both those things.Why make this criticism anyway? What was the point of pointing this out?Because in the space of thirty minutes you went from imaginary voting him, to calling him the towniest of town. Also, this:If I was in either of your position and I were scum, I would be abusing the heck out of this.
Why are you flip-flopping all over the place? First Nerjin's scum then he's suddenly beyond suspicion, then I'm scum, then suddenly Vecooster is scum. I know you're unlynchable and "not afraid" and all that, but at least try to be the tiniest bit consistent?
Spoiler: Quotes (click to show/hide)
Why does my inconsistency make you uncomfortable?
Tiruin:
Captain FordFor my prodding, it's because I wanted to hear from them. This goes hand-in-hand with how I've decided to make use of my immunity. I don't have to buckle down and pick a lynch target at the end of the day like most people, since I can't influence the result. So I can continue to pressure people right up to the end of the day.
"I've to ask. What purpose was this prod to our fellow zombie enthusiast? When prod means Vote."zombie urist:And the purpose of shifting it to ToasteR? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299130#msg4299130)WTF is going on?Why did you unvote Lenglon?
Unvote
Extend
And then this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299171#msg4299171)
Ford
You did not answer my question--third chocolate quote. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4295752#msg4295752) You evaded it.QuoteHow are you going to use your..immunity (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4290828#msg4290828) as a benefit to finding them bullies? How are you going to act when in school, hmm? Any difference?"Linked for posterity because I'm really betting I've a lot to catch up later.
You're right that I didn't answer the question before. I remember posting that and realizing that I hadn't finished answering your question -- but I didn't have time to go back and amend it, so I just forgot about it.
Spoiler: Original Answer (click to show/hide)
At the time, my full answer would have been "I'm not sure what I'll do aside from scumhunting like I normally would."
I don't have any deliberate strategy other than the normal "find scum, lynch them." But as mentioned above, there are some things I can do that I couldn't normally, such as voting multiple people at the same time and voting for whoever I want all the way up to the lynch.
I have something else to point out regarding saving yourself from being lynched. I remembered why I've previously said that "it's not the responsibility of the lynchee to ensure their own lynch." And that is because the town should NEVER allow a tie to happen. If a tie happens, then it's the fault of the town for not paying close enough attention to prevent it and/or being unable to agree on a lynch victim.
That said, if you're town, then saving yourself is probably not good for the game as a whole. If you're scum, it's definitely a good idea.
If people think you're scum, then they shouldn't give you an opening to save yourself.
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 02:42:42 pm
THEORY! Ford has been telling ToonyMan not to count his votes yet. On the opposite end of this, Fords vote is never shown to the public unless he wants it to be. (This theory holds some basis as in Magic Mafia, NQT couldn't vote and his name was removed from the not voting area)
GriffyPup: Everyone during that time acted in a panicked frenzy from my perspective, but to give a straight answer, I will not be basing my vote on anything that happened there since both were voting eachother, each was technically trying to save themselves.
Nerjin still feels scummier to me than Lenglon, but i'm still digging so i'm not sure yet. This thing with Ford is troubling though... AND WHY WERE WE ALL SO QUICK TO BELIEVE HIM!?!?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 07, 2013, 02:57:56 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 03:07:54 pm
Quick post. Ranger. I feel that is dumb. He can not be voted. Something that he did hint at a while ago however is that there is a catch, as in, the state he is currently in will be lost after a day or so many posts. In the end, I feel like it is getting way to close to the end of the day to just be speculating on what fords role is. To me you just look like you are role fishing. Now stop doing pointless posts and votes like that and do something productive. What you just did made you suddenly huge jump from confirmed town to neutral.I'm role-fishing because I found something odd with evidence and an example of something similar? And day ends in 7 hours Shinigami, I have time to investigate things. And you just proved one of my points, why did we all believe him so quickly?
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 03:11:08 pm
"We believed him because we, specifically myself and Tiruin-sama, tried to vote him, and it didn't work, repeatedly. Additionally he has voted for others, and his vote has not shifted out of the not voting category."Quick post. Ranger. I feel that is dumb. He can not be voted. Something that he did hint at a while ago however is that there is a catch, as in, the state he is currently in will be lost after a day or so many posts. In the end, I feel like it is getting way to close to the end of the day to just be speculating on what fords role is. To me you just look like you are role fishing. Now stop doing pointless posts and votes like that and do something productive. What you just did made you suddenly huge jump from confirmed town to neutral.I'm role-fishing because I found something odd with evidence and an example of something similar? And day ends in 7 hours Shinigami, I have time to investigate things. And you just proved one of my points, why did we all believe him so quickly?
Toony: votecount please?
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 03:17:35 pm
Which is what i find odd as he has admitted out in the open that he can't vote for people. Why is his name still there then? And why is he still a vote option if votes on him don't work?"We believed him because we, specifically myself and Tiruin-sama, tried to vote him, and it didn't work, repeatedly. Additionally he has voted for others, and his vote has not shifted out of the not voting category."Quick post. Ranger. I feel that is dumb. He can not be voted. Something that he did hint at a while ago however is that there is a catch, as in, the state he is currently in will be lost after a day or so many posts. In the end, I feel like it is getting way to close to the end of the day to just be speculating on what fords role is. To me you just look like you are role fishing. Now stop doing pointless posts and votes like that and do something productive. What you just did made you suddenly huge jump from confirmed town to neutral.I'm role-fishing because I found something odd with evidence and an example of something similar? And day ends in 7 hours Shinigami, I have time to investigate things. And you just proved one of my points, why did we all believe him so quickly?
Post by: Captain Ford on June 07, 2013, 03:22:34 pm
GriffyPup:[/b] Everyone during that time acted in a panicked frenzy from my perspective, but to give a straight answer, I will not be basing my vote on anything that happened there since both were voting eachother, each was technically trying to save themselves.This is untrue. Nerjin attempted to direct the vote towards lynching himself when he had the chance, and towards lynching Lenglon when he had the chance. Nerjin was attempting to avoid a tie, while Lenglon was attempting to create one.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 07, 2013, 03:24:06 pm
Quick post. Ranger. I feel that is dumb. He can not be voted. Something that he did hint at a while ago however is that there is a catch, as in, the state he is currently in will be lost after a day or so many posts. In the end, I feel like it is getting way to close to the end of the day to just be speculating on what fords role is. To me you just look like you are role fishing. Now stop doing pointless posts and votes like that and do something productive. What you just did made you suddenly huge jump from confirmed town to neutral.Why on earth were you regarding Ranger as confirmed town?
Post by: ToonyMan on June 07, 2013, 03:28:42 pm
Toony, could we please get a prod on deathsword?He posted right after.
Toony: votecount please?Okay.
Vote Count:
(2)Vecooster - Toaster, Lenglon
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Tiruin
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
(4)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin, Griffion
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(2)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King
(3)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, RangerCado
Day 1 will last until Friday, 6/7 at 11 PM EST. In other words, about 6.5 hours.
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 03:31:30 pm
...I forgot a pretty important word in that question to deathsword, who hasn't answered by the way, despite:
Please also tell me what your opinion is of Dariush-senpai, Solifuge-senpai, and Tiruin-sama, and why."
...
Bolded part: You can ask me as many questions as you like and I will answer them. I have been consistently answering questions, trying to claim otherwise is pure bovine fecal matter.today is lynch day, and there's only 6 and a half hours left. mind keeping your word scumbag?
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 03:45:38 pm
Lenglon:Why, in your mind, did I fail to vote for Nerjin right after you made that post, or vote for Nerjin when Tiruin unvoted?
So what happens if (when) I vote for you? Would you vote for Nerjin last minute to create a no-lynch scenario?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 07, 2013, 03:49:43 pm
"Jicoovster-senapi If you didn't think the day ended in ten minutes, when did you think it would end? Tiruin-sama's tieing the vote wouldn't have mattered if the day had been scheduled to end in 24 hours, because several people hadn't made up their minds yet, and yet you made a point of warning her of what she had done. From that statement I assume that you knew when the day was going to end."
Hours, but only a few. Enough time for other people to sort out the tie, since I was, as I will repeat again until it finally gets through your goshdarned thick fudging skull, off doing other things.
"Jim-san, this, at least, is something we can agree on. I for one hate school day that last forever. But if you're so opposed then why don't you oppose extension?"
Not liking extensions is one thing, but actively opposing them is another. I'm not going to get in the way of people who want an extension, even though I personally despise them.
Lenglon has caught Jim out on another blatant lie. He said that he is paying attention to the end of the day, and yet he "didn't know when the day ended.". This stream of lies is unconsionable, and he needs to hang like the scum he is.
Amusing hyperbole.
"Jim knew that the day was ending, but did not know the exact time away from the deadline when he posted, two notions that are almost certainly entirely incompatible. Therefore, he liessssssss."
Solifuge: Remember how you were building a case? Here we are at the deadline again and you've disappeared! It's like you were full of hot air this whole time.
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 03:58:27 pm
"Fine."
Unvote
Deathsword
"I still dont like your actions, but your explanation holds up, if only just barely. I don't consider you clear, but Deathsword-senpai is still worse in my opinion."
"Soli-senpai, you've gone missing on us. Please, come out from whereever you are and keep your promises!"
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 07, 2013, 04:11:05 pm
"Jim-san, this, at least, is something we can agree on. I for one hate school day that last forever. But if you're so opposed then why don't you oppose extension?"
Not liking extensions is one thing, but actively opposing them is another. I'm not going to get in the way of people who want an extension, even though I personally despise them.
I just realized this part of my post could be read that I personally despise the people who request extensions. No, that's not the case.
I don't like extensions but I recognize that others need them, and getting in their way is a huge jerkwad move.
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 04:37:26 pm
Griff: there's a logical falicy in your assumption about me. if my goal was pure survival, wouldn't I have been better off voting for Nerjin as soon as you made this post:Actually, I don't think your goal is pure survival. It's very similar though. I think your goal as scum would be to force a no-lynch scenario and survive another day in order to make town waste a day. With this reasoning, it's apparent that you had motive to wait till the last second. If you forced a no-lynch scenario earlier, it might of been resolved before the day end. Thus, it would be better to wait until the last second in order to stop people from rectifying the tied votes. When I asked you what you would do in that situation, you would obviously be truthful about it. At least by warning people what you are willing to do to to stay alive, you'd avoid straight out lying, which would get you lynched immediately.Lenglon:Why, in your mind, did I fail to vote for Nerjin right after you made that post, or vote for Nerjin when Tiruin unvoted?
So what happens if (when) I vote for you? Would you vote for Nerjin last minute to create a no-lynch scenario?
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 04:42:18 pm
Ranger: OMGUS maybe? Why did you immediately FoS Shinigami for disagreeing with your argument? Does that immediately make her scum?
Also, apparently Cap. Ford addressed pretty much everything I was going too.
Everyone, how are we going to solve the problem with Lenglon and Nerjin having tied votes again?
Gotta go.
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 04:58:49 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 05:22:11 pm
Griff: how is what you are insisting would have been the right thing to do different from a self-vote? either one would have been putting effort into making sure of my own death.They would probably of accomplished the same thing in effect. Voting for yourself merely makes it more likely that you'll be lynched. Why'd you ask this question?
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 05:25:02 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 05:46:55 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 07, 2013, 05:49:24 pm
because I was under the impression that you should never self-vote because a no-lynch is better than a confirmed-town-lynch, and you can confirm youself as town.But, if you're town, you couldn't have been certain Nerjin was town, so why didn't you vote for him?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 07, 2013, 05:54:46 pm
-My opinion of the vote-fest is to be said best... disbeliefe. I don't fully understand all of the nuances involved with the whole affair. Everyone is saying Nerjin looks town now but I disagree. Maybe a little bit but posting so rapidly in succession seems odd to me and people do odd things under pressure. They also typed small "reaction" posts instead of normal posts so there was no chance to notice an actual slip up when they were under such pressure.
-I will have time when I will have time. I am very busy right now and I can only put out content when I am capable. I will try my best however.
-When I say Lenglon is scum hunting well (this goes for everyone, not just this one case) I mean she is trying hard and using tactics to try to weed out scum. I do believe deathsword has a large chance of being scum but I have not been focusing on his posts and content so I don't have a solid read.
-I actually signed up for this game way before. Before anything else in fact. I actually joined BM XL to have enough experience to qualify for this game. I got so busy playing one game I hardly had enough time to post and I wanted to play this game so I decided to commit here instead of BM XLI.
-Just a note here. I am a dude for future reference. (insinuated by the title King). I will respond to posts to me as a female but just so ya know. It doesn't really matter anyway seeing as when I play video games or D&D I'm generally a female badass of sorts.
Post by: Nerjin on June 07, 2013, 05:56:43 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 06:01:15 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 07, 2013, 06:28:47 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 06:33:31 pm
I asked for input, and the only input I got was that I was scum for even considering each option.Umm... Nope. It was pretty obvious that you'd made up your mind about what to do. You never said "I don't know" or "I'm not sure but..." Your decision to vote Nerjin if it would cause you to remain alive was made in a definitive statement stating what you'd do, never asking for input. You were scum for deciding that course of action, not because you asked for advice or were considering it. Maybe I"m mistaken though. Please cite the places that you ask for specific input on that decision. Posts where you were considering actions that were as of yet undecided would be helpful too.
Shinigami_King:
You said what you'd do, but you never said whether it was scummy or not. If you could, that'd be great.
How would they posting reaction posts make it hard to spot slip ups? I would think that their first reaction would be more telling then posts that they get to take their times with.
Also, respond to this.
NQT:Quick post. Ranger. I feel that is dumb. He can not be voted. Something that he did hint at a while ago however is that there is a catch, as in, the state he is currently in will be lost after a day or so many posts. In the end, I feel like it is getting way to close to the end of the day to just be speculating on what fords role is. To me you just look like you are role fishing. Now stop doing pointless posts and votes like that and do something productive. What you just did made you suddenly huge jump from confirmed town to neutral.Why on earth were you regarding Ranger as confirmed town?
"But Lenglon-kun, it's not 'scummy' to vote for the other student when you're in a tie-break situation and there's a possibility they could be a bully. Would you act differently knowing what you know now?"But it wasn't really a tie-break situation. It was more of a save-your-own-skin-by-causing-a-no-lynch situation.
Post by: notquitethere on June 07, 2013, 06:45:35 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 06:53:32 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 06:58:59 pm
Umm... Nope. It was pretty obvious that you'd made up your mind about what to do. You never said "I don't know" or "I'm not sure but..." Your decision to vote Nerjin if it would cause you to remain alive was made in a definitive statement stating what you'd do, never asking for input. You were scum for deciding that course of action, not because you asked for advice or were considering it. Maybe I"m mistaken though. Please cite the places that you ask for specific input on that decision. Posts where you were considering actions that were as of yet undecided would be helpful too.
"Well Griff, typically a lynch is better for the town. This might not be true in this case, because I suspect everyone here has some kind of power, and the math of it might make simply buying time the best way to win, but usually lynching is the right call. I have no intention of voting for myself of course, and I'd prefer to not pull last-minute vote shenanigans to force a lynch on Nerjin. I have set a watch alarm for five minutes before day end, and my read on nerjin is weak enough that in this case I'd prefer to no-lynch instead of lynch him. if several of my seniors whose opinion I respect the most condemn this attitude then I'm willing to use my last-minute alarm to force a lynch on Nerjin instead of a no-lynch, but I feel such an action would be underhanded and dishonorable."After being harassed for phrasing things mildly for three days, I cut it down. I was pretty clear about what I wanted in any case.
But it wasn't really a tie-break situation. It was more of a save-your-own-skin-by-causing-a-no-lynch situation.
It was a tie-break that I chose to not break, and asked if I should break, and when I asked, I got called scum for asking, repeatedly, by YOU.ToonyMan: When we visit someone else's house, do we actually stay there for the night? Or do we return to our own house to sleep?You stay for the night. Possibly. Yes.
Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffionday -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(1)Shinigami_King - Griffonday
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
(3)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(3)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, Tiruin
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, RangerCado
Lenglon have requested an extension. Seven more requests are required.
Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 6/5 at 11 PM EST.
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 07:01:37 pm
A few people at one point said that Lenglon looked more like a newbie then scum. Considering that this is only my third forum Mafia game, I can't distinguish that well. I do want to say that Lenglon has stuck to her decisions pretty hard, and never claimed that she messed up because he was new. She did mention his seniors a few times, however.
PPE:
Just a sec, Lenglon
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 07:06:59 pm
Forgot to add something. I would definitely vote for someone that I sincerely thought was scummy, even if it tied the vote. I would not do this right before the deadline. This way, people have time to react and break the tie. I wouldn't change my vote at the last second merely to stop myself from being lynched.that is one gender confused paragraph there.
A few people at one point said that Lenglon looked more like a newbie then scum. Considering that this is only my third forum Mafia game, I can't distinguish that well. I do want to say that Lenglon has stuck to her decisions pretty hard, and never claimed that she messed up because he was new. She did mention his seniors a few times, however.
PPE:
Just a sec, Lenglon
Post by: ToonyMan on June 07, 2013, 07:20:28 pm
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(0)RangerCado -
(2)Deathsword - Tiruin, Lenglon
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
(4)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin, Griffion
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(2)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King
(3)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, RangerCado
Day 1 will last until Friday, 6/7 at 11 PM EST. In other words, about 3 hours.
I would prefer if the day actually ends tonight. I'll have Night 1 last until Monday 6/10 at 11 PM EST.
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 07:52:02 pm
I actually forgot about this post. Thanks for bringing it back to my attention. This situation never actually came up, so I pushed it into the back of my mind. So the only example you have of asking for advice and indecision on your part is this one post? If it is, I have to point out that this situation never actually came up.Umm... Nope. It was pretty obvious that you'd made up your mind about what to do. You never said "I don't know" or "I'm not sure but..." Your decision to vote Nerjin if it would cause you to remain alive was made in a definitive statement stating what you'd do, never asking for input. You were scum for deciding that course of action, not because you asked for advice or were considering it. Maybe I"m mistaken though. Please cite the places that you ask for specific input on that decision. Posts where you were considering actions that were as of yet undecided would be helpful too."Well Griff, typically a lynch is better for the town. This might not be true in this case, because I suspect everyone here has some kind of power, and the math of it might make simply buying time the best way to win, but usually lynching is the right call. I have no intention of voting for myself of course, and I'd prefer to not pull last-minute vote shenanigans to force a lynch on Nerjin. I have set a watch alarm for five minutes before day end, and my read on nerjin is weak enough that in this case I'd prefer to no-lynch instead of lynch him. if several of my seniors whose opinion I respect the most condemn this attitude then I'm willing to use my last-minute alarm to force a lynch on Nerjin instead of a no-lynch, but I feel such an action would be underhanded and dishonorable."After being harassed for phrasing things mildly for three days, I cut it down. I was pretty clear about what I wanted in any case.
First of all, I didn't ever call you scum for asking, ONCE. Now stop lying and start thinking. I called you scum for your answer to MY question, not yours. Your answers right here right here.But it wasn't really a tie-break situation. It was more of a save-your-own-skin-by-causing-a-no-lynch situation.It was a tie-break that I chose to not break, and asked if I should break, and when I asked, I got called scum for asking, repeatedly, by YOU.ToonyMan: When we visit someone else's house, do we actually stay there for the night? Or do we return to our own house to sleep?You stay for the night. Possibly. Yes.
Can we be bullied out of the neighborhood if we visit someone else at night? Are we eliminated from the game if our house is destroyed, regardless of where we were at night?
Vote Count:
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffionday -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(1)Shinigami_King - Griffonday
(0)RangerCado -
(1)Deathsword - Lenglon
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
(3)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(3)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, Tiruin
Not Voting: Captain Ford, Solifuge, RangerCado
Lenglon have requested an extension. Seven more requests are required.
Day 1 will last until Wednesday, 6/5 at 11 PM EST.
Spoiler: Lenglon's post (click to show/hide)
Secondly, I thought you were discussing the point in time AFTER I voted for you. I didn't know that you guys were referring to the specific time-period between where it was a tie-tie situation. Regardless, NQT's question is a good one, you should respond to it. In fact, why didn't you respond to NQT? You answered my request, and a statement of mine that wasn't even directed at you. I'd imagine that you'd have time to answer Nerjin.
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 08:07:58 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 08:16:34 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 07, 2013, 08:20:04 pm
*sigh* i actually thought that my test worked. Jeez Lenglon you've dug your own grave. You've said many times you were trying for a no-lynch, then that you didn't care, and back again. Your actions have deteriorated well after last deadlines fiasco, which you should have improved from not the opposite. Your townie actions are completely destroyed by the amount of scum tells you've dropped. Vote Lenglon.Explain these scumtells.
This is an incredibly vague argument you're making here.
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 08:36:53 pm
"But Lenglon-kun, it's not 'scummy' to vote for the other student when you're in a tie-break situation and there's a possibility they could be a bully. Would you act differently knowing what you know now?"sorry, missed this question. yes I would. I'd have voted for Nerjin several hours before the day ended, with the explanation that I knew I was not scum, and wanted scum lynched. thanks Giff for the reminder.
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 08:39:24 pm
*sigh* i actually thought that my test worked. Jeez Lenglon you've dug your own grave. You've said many times you were trying for a no-lynch, then that you didn't care, and back again. Your actions have deteriorated well after last deadlines fiasco, which you should have improved from not the opposite. Your townie actions are completely destroyed by the amount of scum tells you've dropped. Vote Lenglon.please explain what you're talking about. You haven't listed whatever tells you've noticed, and you never even explained what your "test" was.
Post by: RangerCado on June 07, 2013, 09:15:32 pm
The Test: was to figure out what you would do when nearing your own lynch. The first deadline i knew would be extended, it almost always is, so nothing was found there. Nearing the second deadline though, you did rather well under the pressure. You acted townie in my eyes, no scum tells being dropped, nothing wrong with your posts that i could see, all truly townie. When the deadline was almost upon us however, you panicked. I wasn't going to use that against you, but then you started arguing about what you were or were not trying to do. First it was that you wanted to tie the vote for a no-lynch, then you wanted to vote who you thought was scummy, then you argued that a no-lynch isn't bad for the town which it always to some degree.
Your stating that a no-lynch would benefit the town more in this situation because of the possibility of town lynching a valuable role. Now although this is a general concern in any Role-heavy game, but if a player acts scummy they should be lynched instead of left as a constant worry for everyone. The way you worded that post also makes me feel like you know something the rest of us don't. I just can't shake it anymore that something isn't right here.
Going to post this now as i'm off to spend time with my family. I've probably been more vague here then in the last post but thats all i can have time for.
Post by: Solifuge on June 07, 2013, 09:15:54 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/an1PZsj.png)
Spoiler: Lenglon Votes (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/nH8YR0q.png)
Spoiler: Nerjin Votes (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/azShVya.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xAgNOH1.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png) Nerjin (http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png)
-snip-(http://i.imgur.com/mgGTpwE.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/PgIMw1i.png)
Post by: Lenglon on June 07, 2013, 09:25:03 pm
"Since my silhouette, house, and gender, will all be revealed upon my lynch, I wont claim those, however I might as well claim my role."
"My role would have changed each night, for the first four nights. Each night if I stayed home I would either have gotten no power, a house-destroying nightkill, with a 50% chance of killing everyone in the house, and guaranteed to destroy the house itself, which would force the house's owner away in any case, a beacon that would redirect 20% of all people to my house if they were going anywhere, or a defensive ability that would send back home anyone that tried to visit me, and leave them stunned for the next night as well. I could not save up these abilities to use together, but if I wanted to keep a power, I could visit someone else, without using it, and save it for later. In any case, I would become powerless after night 4."
"My flavor hinted that there is some kind of love-based side objective to this game, but that I do not have a predetermined part in it, although I am not opposed to it. My flavor also characterized me as a mecha fanatic, which is why early in RVS when I was asked how I would ask someone out, I specifically mentioned Front Mission, as a slight hint to my flavor in case it tied in to someone else's role."
"I do not know of anything else regarding my role that could be useful information. I still think Deathsword-senpai is scum. I also think Vecooster-senpai is scum, but not as strongly. I do not consider anything Tirun-sama has done throughout Day 1 as a valid towntell, but have only gotten the mildest of scumtells from her either, so she is null to me. Shinigami-kun leans town to me, Ranger-kun leans buddy to Shinigami-kun to me, Griff-san leans town to me, Nerjin-senpai I am certain is town, Leafsnail-senpai I don't have a read on anymore, Solifuge-senpai leans scum to me, Dariush-senpai leans town to me, Phantom-san I dont have a read on. Zombie-senpai leans town. Toaster-senpai leans town. Ford-senpai leans town. NQT-senpai I keep almost forgetting is in the game for some reason, leans scum as a result."
"I'm glad I got to be here, and I'll miss you all."
Lenglon packs up her stuff, attempts to hug the fleeing Dariush-senpai, does hug Tiruin-sama, and heads to the door, bag in hand, hiding her wet eyes.
"Good luck"
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 09:31:02 pm
PPE:
See ya Lenglon. I hope you understand that my vote won't change just because of your claimed role. It's too late to claim and have it take any effect today.
Post by: Solifuge on June 07, 2013, 09:39:20 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/K3xNJAh.png)
Post by: griffinpup on June 07, 2013, 09:46:14 pm
Is choosing to lynch yourself over a no-lynch scummy behavior?
Also, is your case on Nerjin the climax of your grand case preparation?
Post by: Nerjin on June 07, 2013, 09:54:03 pm
Post by: Nerjin on June 07, 2013, 09:55:36 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 07, 2013, 10:00:15 pm
(1)Vecooster - Toaster
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(0)Dariush -
(1)Zombie Urist - Notquitethere
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(0)RangerCado -
(2)Deathsword - Tiruin, Lenglon
(2)Notquitethere - Vecooster, Zombie Urist
***(5)Lenglon - Leafsnail, Deathsword, Nerjin, Griffion, RangerCado***
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(3)Nerjin - Phantom of the Library, Shinigami_King, Solifuge
(1)Not Voting: Captain Ford
Votes have now been sealed. Ending Day post coming up...
Post by: ToonyMan on June 07, 2013, 10:27:46 pm
A bully candidate has been chosen!! Lenglon-kun sighed nervously, resigning himself to his fate. He knew his odd hobbies would make him the target of people beyond bullies, and now he has been picked out as the first bully, how ironic. How annoying it must be, who could have caused another problem to occur, who??
"Enough dramatic internal thoughts Lenglon." The teacher declares.
"You must be one of those bullies who became a bully after getting bullied, am I right??"
Lenglon lowered his head and stood up from his desk.
"Okay, I'm leaving then. I don't need school anyway!" And he left.
Otakun (town boy) has been expelled! House 10 has been evicted!
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Night 1 will last until Monday 6/10 at 11 PM EST...probably. Send in your actions and ask me a lot of questions!!
EDIT:
I can confirm I have all night-actions. I've also processed about 70% of them. Unfortunately, my new computer I ordered came today and I will be busy transferring files and setting things up to end the night. Night will likely end for real Tuesday or Wednesday.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 11, 2013, 10:13:42 pm
Yandere-san (third-party girl) has been bullied away! House 8 has been closed off!
Vector (basically Jim Groovester) has lost!
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
No long Day Start lore or anything more than 10 minutes spent on Character Art I am tired.
Day 2 will last until Friday 6/14 at 11 PM EST If 50% of players vote for an extend I will add 48 hours from now on.
Post by: RangerCado on June 11, 2013, 10:17:57 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 11, 2013, 10:21:53 pm
And also,
Oohh... Third party...
Less nonsensical stuff coming tomorrow. Needs sleeps now.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 11, 2013, 10:22:38 pm
Post by: Vector on June 11, 2013, 10:23:05 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 11, 2013, 10:25:48 pm
Nerjin, why did you bully Vecooster away?
Post by: Nerjin on June 11, 2013, 10:30:30 pm
Fucking called it.Because double kill that's why. Seriously though I had nothing to do with it.
Nerjin, why did you bully Vecooster away?
Request Replacement I just cannot keep up with this work-load. Sorry guys. Love the flavor, love all of you but... I can't keep up.
Post by: zombie urist on June 11, 2013, 10:36:56 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 11, 2013, 10:37:46 pm
Can Vector replace in for Nerjin?No! I sent a PM to Webadict, Ottofar, and Imperial Guardsman.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 11, 2013, 11:01:10 pm
Post by: Lenglon on June 11, 2013, 11:31:36 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 11, 2013, 11:56:31 pm
Ok, someone visited my house. Who're you, buddy boy? You come to my house, asking for some snacks, and not bringing your own, huh.
..RangerCado: "I recall you mentioning things about third-parties earlier yesterday, care to talk about it more? Where did you get the exact idea from?
"Also, you seem to be familiar with that pic, huh."
Toaster: "I'd like to ask one thing."
[EXPLETIVE REDACTED] called it."Why're you swearing, and secondly: Why're you asking someone if you knew that someone bullied our latest absentee?"
Nerjin, why did you bully Vecooster away?
Tiruin highlights those two statements in that one sentence.
"However I'd also like Nerjin to explain himself for his actions yesterday. Why did you act like such, hopping on cases that were not yours? Secondly, what was your read on Lenglon, and what did you see her acting towards you as--given that she saw you as town?
You were voting for Lenglon here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4298643#msg4298643) Unvoted and revoted her, + explanation... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299108#msg4299108) and then nothing. You left your vote on her and evaded queries as to why, what or how whilst giving notes about what you see on other people and not yer target, including the lack of proceeding queries to your target."
Captain Ford: What's your view on Mr. Squeaky Clean Townie? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299368#msg4299368)
griffinpup "Why're you justifying yourself here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303623#msg4303623) when you talked to Lenglon?"
"sniffle"I loved how you ended it though, brought a tear to my eye. :/
Wait what now? Double kill? Then you had nothing to do with it?Fucking called it.Because double kill that's why. Seriously though I had nothing to do with it.
Nerjin, why did you bully Vecooster away?
Request Replacement I just cannot keep up with this work-load. Sorry guys. Love the flavor, love all of you but... I can't keep up.
..What. I smell tactical retreat.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 12:18:30 am
Hmm... do i claim now or later... Now.
I'm claiming a pro-town third-party role. Didn't think it smart to claim day 1, (look how that ended last time) so i waited. (plus my win-con just got harder, so better to help you guys)
I can also confirm a few things. Abilities can target a house, affecting all the occupants. I believe i know which house Tiruin is in so yes someone was there with her. Theres probably a third-party helper for the bullies.
I also can inspect a house to know how many people were in it during the night. And I can't leave my house. Ever. It bites.
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 12:22:11 am
Tiruin: Not really, but you can't tell me that picture isn't creepy. (the whiskers (i think those are whiskers) sold it for me) And judging from the picture as well, i think Vecooster may have been an SK of some sort.
Quote
Yandere-san (third-party girl)..I think the prefix of 'Yandere' points it out?
Toony: Will specific roles be mentioned, or the 'alignment-gender' when flips are done?
Also..those aren't whiskers >_> Those are..wrinkles. You know? The ones below the eyes after a fatiguing day or lack of sleep. Or too much brooding?
Quote
Hmm... do i claim now or later... Now.
I'm claiming a pro-town third-party role. Didn't think it smart to claim day 1, (look how that ended last time) so i waited. (plus my win-con just got harder, so better to help you guys)Why're you claiming anyway?
Yeah. I just said someone was there with me. How did you know which house I'm in?
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 12:27:04 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 12:30:39 am
Yeah. Still, I (guess) I can tell by the silhouette here that whoever visited me is Town.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 12:32:49 am
I also didn't inspect house 8 so that narrows it down a bit.
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 12:40:16 am
Tiruin wields a blue book. "Back to business anyway."
Tiruin: Because my win-con requires the town alive, it got harder with Lenglon's death, and i'm betting theres some sort of alignment checking role that will find me not town. (seriously, my luck is terrible when i care what the outcome is) And i inspected a house and was told there were two people in it so i may know where you live... dang it creepy sayings."This is weird. You need the innocent alive, and it's harder with the lack of our dear Lenglon"
-1 to Town.
"You're presumably third-party, or some scumbag who has the gall to claim third-party with an inspect-ish thing. And pro-town/third-party. Which makes sense only if said Third-party is town-aligned. Err. What.
"You only mentioned the pros on the Town part, but not expounding on the third-party part. Why mention the latter in the first place?"
creepy saying: I know where you live."This reminds me of that one movie where the killer writes that along the walls and ceiling, and then horror happens. Was this addressed to me, judging by your wording there?"
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 12:48:44 am
I need town-alignment players whos roles are male alive. Lenglon had a male role so that made it harder for my win-condition now that she's dead. Helping the town as a whole works better for this because i have no clue who has a male role.
I must spend a night alone with any town boy to win. And since i can't leave my house, it is very difficult to do this without a lot of luck, and since me dying doesn't hurt the town as much as it would a full town role, i can just buffer a hit from a stray NK.
And yes that was addressed to you.
Post by: zombie urist on June 12, 2013, 12:54:45 am
Its possible Vector had a similar-opposite-ish role, being a yandere.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2013, 01:15:18 am
Toony: Will specific roles be mentioned, or the 'alignment-gender' when flips are done?Role details won't be revealed until the game is over.
Post by: Dariush on June 12, 2013, 01:20:31 am
I can also confirm a few things. Abilities can target a house, affecting all the occupants. I believe i know which house Tiruin is in so yes someone was there with her. Theres probably a third-party helper for the bullies.Uh. You have no abilities relevant to knowing Tiruin's house and yet you somehow know it. Explain.
I also can inspect a house to know how many people were in it during the night. And I can't leave my house. Ever. It bites.
I must spend a night alone with any town boy to win. And since i can't leave my house, it is very difficult to do this without a lot of luck, and since me dying doesn't hurt the town as much as it would a full town role, i can just buffer a hit from a stray NK.So how about you claim your house so that someone will be able to visit? :-/ Also, is your wincon game-ending? Do you leave the game?
Solifuge, are you planning to do anything that isn't contentless shitpictureposts today? Your 'main' post yesterday (#748) was basically defending Lenglon, stealing other people's reasons for voting Nerjin (those reason being stealing other people's reasons for votes) and FOSMGUSing me for... lurking? Seriously? That's the best case you've got after an entire day? (well, not counting your 'case' on Nerjin)
So basically you're lurking, lazy, hypocritical, bandwagoning, shitpictureposting scum. Nerjin is scum too, but less so.
((Also, before D1 flip I desperately hoped that Cado's avatar was based on his in-game portrait. Was I disappointed in the art quality... >_>))
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2013, 01:24:57 am
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 01:27:51 am
Post by: Teneb on June 12, 2013, 09:41:53 am
Solifuge simply restated others' cases on Nerjin the last day, without even expanding on them. Are you going to hunt scum this time, or will you just sit by the sidelines making cat pictures?
Phantom, however, simply vanished from the game apart from around two posts with any kind of game-related content. Lack of time isn't an excuse, as I had (and will still have until tomorrow) very limited time and yet still posted. Who are the two scummiest players to your right now? Why?
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 10:15:13 am
Ranger, someone visited me at night as well. And by visited I mean kicked down my door. The silhouette is very blurry in the picture I recieved, so I can't identify it. Since I am obviously alive I suspect some kind of arsonist.
Tiruin stares at Deathsword with vague intrigue.
"No knock knock, hello there routine? No formal greetings? Your door was kicked down and..then what? Happy Birthday?
"Did that person look like a person?"
Solifuge simply restated others' cases on Nerjin the last day, without even expanding on them. Are you going to hunt scum this time, or will you just sit by the sidelines making cat pictures?"That last part was a bit mean you know..but still, restated others' cases? And I see it's plural--Shini and Phantom's votes were on Nerjin--yet I'm quite sure he did his own case regarding the guy.
"Care to quote?"
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 10:21:22 am
griffinpup "Why're you justifying yourself here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303623#msg4303623) when you talked to Lenglon?"I actually wasn't talking to Lenglon in that post. In that post I attempted to explain my views on the argument that Lenglon was merely inexperienced. I pointed out my incapability to accurately tell whether she was a newbie because it pertained to the discussion. I wasn't attempting to justify myself.
Solifuge should actually attempt to post at some point, but all the arguments for him have already been made, so I'll have to see his reaction.
RangerCado, why did you wait for so late in the day to vote Lenglon? She barely had time to respond to a few times to your vague accusations.
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 10:37:07 am
"So what purpose did your first paragraph fulfill in that link there? You had voted for Lenglon before this post, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303612#msg4303612) which I attached to that statement I had to you in that quote above. Or perhaps I'm missing something?griffinpup "Why're you justifying yourself here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303623#msg4303623) when you talked to Lenglon?"I actually wasn't talking to Lenglon in that post. In that post I attempted to explain my views on the argument that Lenglon was merely inexperienced. I pointed out my incapability to accurately tell whether she was a newbie because it pertained to the discussion. I wasn't attempting to justify myself.
"Anywhoo, did your case here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4302636#msg4302636) back up anything proceeding that event I'm poking at now?"
Quote
Solifuge should actually attempt to post at some point, but all the arguments for him have already been made, so I'll have to see his reaction."And what arguments exist? That he's drawing cat pictures? He's a great artist, no doubt about that. Are you going to poke at a general fact, or at least delve deeper--be specific--rather than issue a soft prod on him?
"What arguments have you? Seems like you're interested in him, but lack to question him in your own way."
NQT "I distinctly remember you giving a questionnaire about houses and silhouettes. What was your case on that again?"
Post by: zombie urist on June 12, 2013, 11:01:01 am
NQT for same reasons yday.
I will be gone most of today.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2013, 12:57:06 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 01:23:41 pm
PFP
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 01:33:31 pm
Deathsword: Well, your also a possibility now.
After some thought, I don't think saying which house had 2 people in it will cause a lot of harm. If Tiruin and Death have a problem with me saying, i'll keep quiet about it unless it can help the Town.
Post by: Toaster on June 12, 2013, 01:58:05 pm
Request Replacement I just cannot keep up with this work-load. Sorry guys. Love the flavor, love all of you but... I can't keep up.
Fair enough. Still scum, but fair enough.
Guardsman, since you're here, what can you tell me of Day 1?
Tiruin:
Toaster: "I'd like to ask one thing."[EXPLETIVE REDACTED] called it."Why're you swearing, and secondly: Why're you asking someone if you knew that someone bullied our latest absentee?"
Nerjin, why did you bully Vecooster away?
Because I feckin' can. And what? I'm asking him why he did it. I know Vecooster was bullied because Toony said it in the D2 opener.
Actually, I have no reason to suspect he did it. I cold-fired that question to scare a reaction out of him. It didn't work, and won't work at all since he replaced out, so there's no harm in saying that now.
Ranger:
I'm claiming a pro-town third-party role. Didn't think it smart to claim day 1, (look how that ended last time) so i waited. (plus my win-con just got harder, so better to help you guys)
I must spend a night alone with any town boy to win. And since i can't leave my house, it is very difficult to do this without a lot of luck, and since me dying doesn't hurt the town as much as it would a full town role, i can just buffer a hit from a stray NK.
How are you pro-town? Pro-town doesn't mean you benefit from town; it means town benefits from you. Also, I disagree about your claim and stated reason for not claiming your house number- you want visits from townies, and assuming your claim is true, scum would be wasting their kill on you.
Tiruin:
We've 14 people, and 12 houses left. So you either hit my house, or someone elses.
I'm pretty sure Toony said some houses could be empty, or that a person might not live in a house.
NQT: Is your vote analysis ready?
Also, I don't recall seeing your own answers to that survey of yours. What are they?
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 02:05:10 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 12, 2013, 02:19:06 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 02:29:29 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 12, 2013, 02:44:31 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 02:49:03 pm
That's some awfully certain knowledge about how scum uses their kill, Ranger.So... my speculation, which is almost always wrong, gets me your vote... with no questions to answer... What purpose does this serve toaster?
Post by: Toaster on June 12, 2013, 02:51:04 pm
Toaster: If they have an easy kill against one of their enemies, why not use it? And/or create a lot of WIFOM
I don't see any speculation here. You state it very clearly.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 02:55:32 pm
Ranger:When has that ever caught a mafia player before?Toaster: If they have an easy kill against one of their enemies, why not use it? And/or create a lot of WIFOM
I don't see any speculation here. You state it very clearly.
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 03:22:02 pm
My first paragraph was answering NQT's question. Again, nothing in that post was actually addressed to Lenglon."So what purpose did your first paragraph fulfill in that link there? You had voted for Lenglon before this post, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303612#msg4303612) which I attached to that statement I had to you in that quote above. Or perhaps I'm missing something?griffinpup "Why're you justifying yourself here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303623#msg4303623) when you talked to Lenglon?"I actually wasn't talking to Lenglon in that post. In that post I attempted to explain my views on the argument that Lenglon was merely inexperienced. I pointed out my incapability to accurately tell whether she was a newbie because it pertained to the discussion. I wasn't attempting to justify myself.
"Anywhoo, did your case here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4302636#msg4302636) back up anything proceeding that event I'm poking at now?"
Quote
I do agree that I should of explained this statement better, but I didn't really have much more to say then this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303845#msg4303845) post and mainly this post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303879#msg4303879)QuoteSolifuge should actually attempt to post at some point, but all the arguments for him have already been made, so I'll have to see his reaction."And what arguments exist? That he's drawing cat pictures? He's a great artist, no doubt about that. Are you going to poke at a general fact, or at least delve deeper--be specific--rather than issue a soft prod on him?
"What arguments have you? Seems like you're interested in him, but lack to question him in your own way."
Considering the fact that he has yet to respond to my most recent questions, I'm going to wait for his response before pursuing him further. One specific issue I have with Solifuge is that he made cat pictures and used them in all his posts, then claimed that since it took longer to do his posts that way, he had less time to produce content. Using this self-made excuse, he put off posting his case until after the second extension. Remarkably, in pictures! Maybe if he'd lay off the pictures he could actually participate.
Solifuge:
Do you consider tunneling less scummy then bandwagon votes?
If we look at your voting history, we find that you've only voted for Nerjin. (according to LurkerTracker). Is your idea of scumhunting putting your vote on one person, then never questioning them ever again until the end of the day?
Will you always take all day to make a case, but never pressure people?
+ the questions in my last post to you. It's quoted here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303879#msg4303879) if you don't have enough time to actually read the thread. Wouldn't want you to take time out of making your next post in pictures, would we?
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 03:24:32 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 12, 2013, 04:04:02 pm
Spoiler: Speculation (click to show/hide)
I'm claiming a pro-town third-party role. Didn't think it smart to claim day 1, (look how that ended last time) so i waited. (plus my win-con just got harder, so better to help you guys)What makes you pro-town rather than self-interested? If you win, you leave the game, which puts us closer to LYLO.
What happens to the man you spend the night alone with? Does he leave the game with you?
Also you should go ahead and claim your house.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 04:06:19 pm
If 2 more people ask for my house number, i'll give.
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 05:52:58 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 12, 2013, 05:55:17 pm
You're anti-town in the sense that town shouldn't try to let you win. You have no more motivation to help town if you're out of the game. You do have motivation to help us. We have no motivation to help you. Therefore, we should do all that's in your power to screw you over, and get one more ally for town.This makes no sense at all.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 05:57:46 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 12, 2013, 06:20:30 pm
Captain Ford: What's your view on Mr. Squeaky Clean Townie? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4299368#msg4299368)I don't like the fact that Nerjin left his vote on Lenglon while he attempted to scumhunt Dariush and Deathsword, and I really don't like that he never renewed or updated his case on Lenglon after the close call.
I don't doubt that he's busy or that he had internet trouble though. Judging by the techniques he was using, he was trying really hard to find someone else to attack, and he failed to accomplish much of anything before day end.
I think he was burned-out and exhausted from the Great Temple. He's dropped a lot of scumtells, but they also read as "I can't think straight, arrgghhh".
...I have him down as null leaning town, I suppose.
Wait what now? Double kill? Then you had nothing to do with it?Fucking called it.Because double kill that's why. Seriously though I had nothing to do with it.
Nerjin, why did you bully Vecooster away?
Request Replacement I just cannot keep up with this work-load. Sorry guys. Love the flavor, love all of you but... I can't keep up.
..What. I smell tactical retreat.
[/quote]
Double Kill = Vector + Jim. It's a joke.
Ranger:
I have no idea what happens to the Boy.You should ask Toony then. Then let us know.
If 2 more people ask for my house number, i'll give.Actually, hang on. I just realized you may have a point about being an easy kill if you reveal your house number. It depends on how exactly the bullies choose their targets.
However, if you get visited by a town male and then you both leave, it hurts town a lot. Claiming your house would prevent that.
Do you realize that scum want you to win? That would take out one (or two, if you take your man with you) of their enemies in addition to their NK.
You're anti-town in the sense that town shouldn't try to let you win. You have no more motivation to help town if you're out of the game. You do have motivation to help us. We have no motivation to help you. Therefore, we should do all that's in your power to screw you over, and get one more ally for town.Okay, most of this makes sense. Ranger winning hurts town. He doesn't actually have anything in the way of useful information to offer us. We really don't have any motivation to help him.
We don't really want to screw him over, though. It's not worth our time.
And I really don't understand the "get one more ally for town" part.
Can we vote Ford today?No you cannot.
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 06:30:04 pm
Ford
♪♫♫♪♫♪♫♫~Can we vote Ford today?No you cannot.
"Sounds like you know a lot more about your own role, huh my Captain?"
Ford: I have to help the town to win. Hurting the town hurts me. I have no idea what happens to the Boy."Well I had a guy visit my house and he's pretty gentlemanly..as far as a quiet conversation goes. You only need boys, am I right? So you don't care about the female members, huh.
If 2 more people ask for my house number, i'll give.
"So tell me. How does that help town? Who would you prioritize? Town, or third-party (whatever). You did say you were also helping third-party? Or my memory is fuzzy..."
Because I'm thinking all on memory now because rushing.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 06:34:28 pm
Tiruin: Only town boys. but i have to way of knowing who has a male role and who doesn't. Better to help the entire town and not alienate anyone with a female role. And no, no other third-party is with me to my knowledge.
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 06:37:26 pm
Yay town boys. Yay grammar messing up my comprehension. >_>
Tiruin: Only town boys. but i have to way of knowing who has a male role and who doesn't. Better to help the entire town and not alienate anyone with a female role. And no, no other third-party is with me to my knowledge.Please restate.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 06:40:09 pm
I have no way of knowing who has a male role and who doesn't.
I'm going to work with the entire town rather than alienate all the female roles.
No third-party is with me to my knowledge.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 12, 2013, 06:53:46 pm
Daruish-What are your thoughts on Ford's role? How about Ranger's? Nerjin just left us and has been replaced by Guardsman, how will you use this to your advantage? Do scummy do you find Guardsman?
Imperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.
Everyone- Not asking for WIFOM, just some insight from the public, does anyone here have an opinion that they would like to share about the night. (Nk's, questionable actions etc.)
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 07:04:55 pm
No third-party is with me to my knowledge.Ok now this came across to me as a 'same house' thing..or aligned with you? ...What.
Everyone- Not asking for WIFOM, just some insight from the public, does anyone here have an opinion that they would like to share about the night. (Nk's, questionable actions etc.)Not WIFOM if it's rational in notion. I'm curious on one part--Toony said there was a theme to the game, and it was like a secondayr objective as said in the OP.
..Questionable actions, though? What're those?
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 07:42:01 pm
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 12, 2013, 08:04:44 pm
Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitright
Imperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 12, 2013, 08:24:43 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(1)Phantom of the Library - Deathsword
(0)Shinigami_King -
(1)RangerCado - Toaster
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(1)Solifuge - Dariush
(1)Imperial Guardsman - Tiruin
(9)Not Voting: Giffion, Leafsnail, Captain Ford, Zombie Urist, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Notquitethere, Solifuge, Imperial Guardsman
Day 2 will last until Friday 6/14 at 11 PM EST
Post by: zombie urist on June 12, 2013, 08:29:20 pm
amidoingitright
« Last Edit: Today at 06:09:18 pm by Imperial Guardsman »Nope.
Also NQT
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 12, 2013, 08:52:01 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 12, 2013, 09:08:59 pm
♪♫♫♪♫♪♫♫~Oh, I know every detail about my role. It was never a mystery to me.
"Sounds like you know a lot more about your own role, huh my Captain?"
Speaking of which, I'm satisfied that claiming now is the right thing to do.
I'm the Satellite(L). I don't have a house. I cannot vote or be voted, and I cannot take any actions at night.
On Night 3, I will fall to earth and smash into someone's house. They will be evicted (or possibly killed) and I will take their place. Thereafter, I will be a vanilla townie.
Other than that I'm a vanilla townie.
...and so, since I can't visit people at night, I need other people to help me figure out my target. (But we can wait to discuss that until Day 3)
Imp:
Reading this post caused me physical harm.Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitright
Imperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.
You just called Nerjin a bully. The person you replaced. Why would you do that?
Spoiler: Off Topic (click to show/hide)
Post by: zombie urist on June 12, 2013, 09:19:09 pm
Speaking of which, I'm satisfied that claiming now is the right thing to do.Based on what?
I'm the Satellite(L). I don't have a house. I cannot vote or be voted, and I cannot take any actions at night.Do they leave the game after eviction? Does it matter if you smash into town/scum/3rd party houses? Can you control which house you smash into?
On Night 3, I will fall to earth and smash into someone's house. They will be evicted (or possibly killed) and I will take their place. Thereafter, I will be a vanilla townie.
Other than that I'm a vanilla townie.
...and so, since I can't visit people at night, I need other people to help me figure out my target. (But we can wait to discuss that until Day 3)
Post by: Leafsnail on June 12, 2013, 09:23:04 pm
@griffinpup: Why did you state that we should get rid of Cado and then not vote him?
@Captain Ford: Will your action be publically visible? Ask ToonyMan if you don't know.
How are you pro-town? Pro-town doesn't mean you benefit from town; it means town benefits from you. Also, I disagree about your claim and stated reason for not claiming your house number- you want visits from townies, and assuming your claim is true, scum would be wasting their kill on you.The role as described is a limited cop - it's vaguely pro-town, as we could use it to test someone's alignment. I believe Cado's claim, and since it's self-eliminating there's no real reason to lynch him.
NQTWhat are you doing, Imperial Guardsman?
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 09:26:51 pm
You're anti-town in the sense that town shouldn't try to let you win. You have no more motivation to help town if you're out of the game. You do have motivation to help us. We have no motivation to help you. Therefore, we should do all that's in your power to screw you over, and get one more ally for town.Apparently some people haven't understood this paragraph of mine.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 12, 2013, 09:28:45 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 09:33:56 pm
Cado's role would be mainly beneficial as a quasi-cop, rather than as a sortof weakened townie that is averse to lynching male playersAll the more motivation to keep Cado around as long as possible.
Leafsnail:
How should we use this quasi-cop to our benefit?
Cado, does it have to be a town boy, or can it be a mafia boy?
Post by: Captain Ford on June 12, 2013, 09:55:02 pm
@Captain Ford: Will your action be publically visible? Ask ToonyMan if you don't know.Asking. My personal guess is that you'll all see me streaking down out of the sky but you won't know exactly what house I hit. (I mean seriously, that would make a lot of noise, there's no way you'd all miss it)
Also:
Spoiler: You didn't miss this, did you? (click to show/hide)
The one interesting thing about Ranger's wincon is that if he spends the night alone with a male bully, he won't win. We could theoretically use this to identify scum.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 12, 2013, 09:56:32 pm
Based on the stuff that's come up so far today.Speaking of which, I'm satisfied that claiming now is the right thing to do.Based on what?
Actually in retrospect I didn't really think it all the way through. There is an argument that it would have been better for me to just play the lottery and smash into a house picked at random. I might still do that.
But hey, this is enough time for people to figure out how to react to it and plan around it. It can't be dodged or evaded, unless there's a player that can steal houses or something.
Do they leave the game after eviction? Does it matter if you smash into town/scum/3rd party houses? Can you control which house you smash into?To be clear, "eviction" is my wording. Toony was very clear that whoever was living in that house is out of the game. And yes, I have total control over which house I crash into. And I can choose not to smash into a house and simply eliminate myself from the game, but I don't see a compelling reason to do that.
Toony also noted that I can be killed on the night I arrive.
Also, Ranger. Your vote on Lenglon SUCKED.
Post by: Captain Ford on June 12, 2013, 09:58:34 pm
I'd been holding onto that for about a week and completely didn't connect those two dots until just now.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 12, 2013, 10:09:54 pm
Wow I just pulled a day randomly out of the air, that's funny.Spoiler: You didn't miss this, did you? (click to show/hide)
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 12, 2013, 10:16:41 pm
NQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!NQTWhat are you doing, Imperial Guardsman?
Post by: zombie urist on June 12, 2013, 10:29:28 pm
Leafsnail:Way to buddy.
How should we use this quasi-cop to our benefit?
Cado, does it have to be a town boy, or can it be a mafia boy?Pay attention.
Only town boys.
We obviously shouldn't lynch Cado, but keeping her alive definitely gives benefits.How did you know this before she claimed? This entire paragraph feels like backtracking.
Post by: RangerCado on June 12, 2013, 10:35:52 pm
IG: Give better reasons then that.
Since i don't think this will cause many problems: Last night there were 2 people in house seven.
PPE: ZU, i posted today before Pup so he did know my claim.
(I feel awkward being reffered to as a she... freaking Roles.)
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2013, 10:59:15 pm
>_<Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Shes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitright
Imperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.
Fix'd.
Also, stop editing. Please.
NQT
Why @ blank votes.amidoingitright« Last Edit: Today at 06:09:18 pm by Imperial Guardsman »Nope.
Also NQT
NQT for same reasons yday.
@Tiruin: Why are you role speculating instead of considering alignments?I'm actually doing both. I believe Ranger's telling the truth due to how frank he is (you'd be able to detect word shifting or their intention in how he worded it..). Second: check the OP--there are auxiliary conditions with roles mentioned. Third: I was confused with what Cado was talking about, and about what he's talking about.
...Meh, part-claiming.
He may know where I'm living, and I'm against him telling it out due to the fact that I need my private space for about a day or two in order to use my power. Granted, it's wholly benevolent as far as I can tell. I have no abilities as of the moment.
Oh wait you're third party never mind. Un-imaginary-vote....Which you didn't read up, huh? What makes Ranger's case believable to you?
I'd been holding onto that for about a week and completely didn't connect those two dots until just now.
"And I wonder how you manage to stay in school with us when you can fly. *sigh*@Captain Ford: Will your action be publically visible? Ask ToonyMan if you don't know.Asking. My personal guess is that you'll all see me streaking down out of the sky but you won't know exactly what house I hit. (I mean seriously, that would make a lot of noise, there's no way you'd all miss it)
"Why would you hit government infrastructure again? Anything keeping you aloft? Yes I know how weird it sounds in context, but I'm doubting this is what you'd call 'innocent' (Town). Maybe a third-party."
Griffin
How does this make sense if he claimed town-ally? He said it himself back in the thread here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4315223#msg4315223) Why the inattentivity?Cado's role would be mainly beneficial as a quasi-cop, rather than as a sortof weakened townie that is averse to lynching male playersAll the more motivation to keep Cado around as long as possible.
Leafsnail:
How should we use this quasi-cop to our benefit?
Cado, does it have to be a town boy, or can it be a mafia boy?
PPE: 3 new replies.
IG
"How? You know in school, we love explaining things, right? Why're you accusing someone without any tangible basis? What is your basis?"NQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!NQTWhat are you doing, Imperial Guardsman?
Post by: griffinpup on June 12, 2013, 11:47:33 pm
Explain to me how this is in any way buddying?Leafsnail:Way to buddy.
How should we use this quasi-cop to our benefit?
Quote
Also to Turiun. Yep. RangerCado already specified. I missed it. It doesn't help that I'm running on a severe lack of sleep too.Cado, does it have to be a town boy, or can it be a mafia boy?Pay attention.Only town boys.
Quote
lololololol...We obviously shouldn't lynch Cado, but keeping her alive definitely gives benefits.How did you know this before she claimed? This entire paragraph feels like backtracking.
That was a joke, right? This paragraph was after Cado claimed. Pay attention.
Your second statement is also entirely false. I was reiterating a point that I attempted, and failed, to make earlier. Go over that paragraph again and find any backtracking from my original post. Try to find where I change my opinion or stance on the issue. You won't.
Zombie: Why such a terse post with no specifics? You make vague statements about scummy things I've done with no connection to the information you cite. I'm buddying Leafsnail? You cite a question I asked him. You give no explanation on how the two thoughts are joined, you merely assume we'll all immediately see what's so apparently obvious to you.
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2013, 01:19:31 am
Toaster: If they have an easy kill against one of their enemies, why not use it? And/or create a lot of WIFOM
That's some awfully certain knowledge about how scum uses their kill, Ranger.Timezone ninjas, ninjaing posts by several hours while the ninjee is sleeping. TIMEZONE NINJAS EVERYWHERE.
If you're telling the truth about being third party, then there is no reason for scum to kill you. Even if you publicly say your house number, the scum will merely know which house they should avoid to not stumble onto the third party. (of course, this only applies if they have a per-house targeting and not per-person and that you're not town fakeclaiming third party, because if you are then why would you even do that) Since it's a pretty safe bet they know the scummates's identity and house numbers, then regardless of their method of targeting they get an 'easy kill' merely by not attacking each other.
Even though my read on you fell through the floor, I'm still going to give you one last chance to redeem yourself. Claim your house.
Daruish-What are your thoughts on Ford's role? How about Ranger's? Nerjin just left us and has been replaced by Guardsman, how will you use this to your advantage? Do scummy do you find Guardsman?RVS questions? On second day? Lazyass is being lazy. Also, this is the last time I'm acknowledging questions containing a typo in my name.
1) It's unlikely that such power would be possessed by scum. This would allow them to sit on the sidelines and let town devour itself. Pretty OP, IMO. 2) See above. 3) To my advantage? I'm not scum, unlike you. 4) I would prefer not to play with him at all. At the time of your post, he hasn't made a single post. Isn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?
Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitright
NQT
NQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!Wow, you're stupid.
Why did we even let him into this game?...
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 01:23:52 am
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 01:26:42 am
I'm requesting 6 total because i doubt there are six bullies. Also, they do have a reason to kill me. One less player trying to find them.
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2013, 01:36:00 am
Ford: I have to help the town to win. Hurting the town hurts me. I have no idea what happens to the Boy.<insert me asking for the number>
If 2 more people ask for my house number, i'll give.
Dariush: lets put this up to the public. you as well as 2 others (i think) have told me to claim my house. If 3 more ask, i'll do it, and i'll blame you if i die tonight.Could you possibly guess why people may start to consider beginning to entertain the idea of moderately distrusting you?
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 01:39:51 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 04:18:13 am
..Ok, let me get this straight. You're a third party, who is town allied only in the notion that you need a Town Boy to be with you, in the same house. That seems to be your wincon. When that happens..err..something. What happens then?
Regardless. That's still third-party, and not distinctly town-allied. Can you explain why you fear bullies so much, both in house and in information?
Post by: notquitethere on June 13, 2013, 05:58:04 am
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2013, 07:32:37 am
Because i shouldn't be up at midnight? I made it bigger for this reason, the way you think i'll just be overlooked by the bullies. That, and better to be safe than sorry.What. How does this shitstain of a post even remotely resemble an explanation about how you demanded two people to ask you your number and immediatly increased that number by two after I became one of those two people? You are back-tracking, cowardly, lying scum. Solifuge can go fuck himself, I want to see you dead. Cado.
Post by: Toaster on June 13, 2013, 09:26:03 am
RangerCado. Until I see your house number, that vote stays.
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 09:37:04 am
First, Extend. I know we're gonna need it.
Second, Toony, i think we need a prod on Phantom, Solifuge, and Deathsword.
Third, fine, house 11.
Tiruin: My house is locked and i leave the game with a win. And i fear bullies in house because thats how i think they target. In information... please explain what you mean by that.
Toaster: When did i say disinterested? I've said clearly i'm going to try and help town. And why are you voting for a second time?
(gotta catch my bus, will be back later)
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 09:43:52 am
"[/colorDariush. I'd like to ask on how your attitude shifted quite..a lot there. You said back
here about your take on Ranger. Did a tiny tidbit about house number really irritate you that much? How does that make him backtracking scum?Daruish-What are your thoughts on Ford's role? How about Ranger's? Nerjin just left us and has been replaced by Guardsman, how will you use this to your advantage? Do scummy do you find Guardsman?RVS questions? On second day? Lazyass is being lazy. Also, this is the last time I'm acknowledging questions containing a typo in my name.
1) It's unlikely that such power would be possessed by scum. This would allow them to sit on the sidelines and let town devour itself. Pretty OP, IMO. 2) See above. 3) To my advantage? I'm not scum, unlike you. 4) I would prefer not to play with him at all. At the time of your post, he hasn't made a single post. Isn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?
"Same goes for Toaster. However here I'd like to see how you see it. How would you think Ranger would play out that kind of style as scum--what is your read on him? Because that vote smells much like what you did to Nerjin. A blank threat with the subtle notion of fishing. At least it lacks expletives.
"What's the relation with disinterested third party and your vote and stance on him?"
PPE Ranger.
"...Ok. Your house is..locked, and you still didn't explain what Dariush and Toaster were asking. I doubt that's how a bully would act, because if that was how bullies would act then it'd be pretty much a deal of bunching up people in one house..then acting onwards such as that. Huh.
"Still, doubtful of that kind of action as compared to 'ambush a person right after school' and stuff."
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2013, 10:13:59 am
"[/colorDariush. I'd like to ask on how your attitude shifted quite..a lot there. You said backWhen I said 'see above', I meant 'literally see the part of my post that is above this one where I adress Cado'. He promised a piece of information in exchange for the fulfillment of certain conditions. The moment those conditions started to become satisfied, he changed them. So, to answer your question, no, it didn't irritate me, it merely showed that Cado is lying scum.here about your take on Ranger. Did a tiny tidbit about house number really irritate you that much? How does that make him backtracking scum?Daruish-What are your thoughts on Ford's role? How about Ranger's? Nerjin just left us and has been replaced by Guardsman, how will you use this to your advantage? Do scummy do you find Guardsman?RVS questions? On second day? Lazyass is being lazy. Also, this is the last time I'm acknowledging questions containing a typo in my name.
1) It's unlikely that such power would be possessed by scum. This would allow them to sit on the sidelines and let town devour itself. Pretty OP, IMO. 2) See above. 3) To my advantage? I'm not scum, unlike you. 4) I would prefer not to play with him at all. At the time of your post, he hasn't made a single post. Isn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 11:25:50 am
Dariush: So i'm still lying scum even though i gave my house no. anyway? Or are you claiming that house 11 is your house?
I just thought of something. Bullies redirect a townie going to someones house to mine, getting me out of the game... But then that relies on that player having a male role... I need to stop speculating.
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 13, 2013, 11:41:54 am
Would you rather have me not do anything, De Arimasu?NQTNQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!Wow, you're stupid.
Why did we even let him into this game?...
Post by: griffinpup on June 13, 2013, 11:45:27 am
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 11:47:51 am
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 13, 2013, 11:49:32 am
Tiruin-san, tie between NQT and Cado, who do you hammer?
Dariush-san, what is your read on ZU?
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 13, 2013, 11:50:35 am
...I wonder if he's doing what the scum hunting guide in the BM's says to do. vote someone random on zero grounds and see what they do.You gave away my plan, BAKA!
Post by: Toaster on June 13, 2013, 12:04:56 pm
Tiruin: My house is locked as in no one can enter it/action it. And the house NK target i speculated day 1 would maybe hit a random player. Ambush right after school doesn't make too much sense to me since where would the roleblocks come in to play? and redirects?
Okay, so let me get this straight.
You win when a town male spends the night in your house.
You didn't want to claim your house because you were afraid you would be NKed.
Your house is locked, which would prevent both of these.
And we're supposed to believe you... why?
Tiruin: My read on Ranger is that he's full of
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2013, 12:06:56 pm
Dariush: So i'm still lying scum even though i gave my house no. anyway? Or are you claiming that house 11 is your house?Yes, you're lying scum because you broke the promise to deliver information and only did so due to pressure from me and Toaster. If you think claiming your house will make you less of a lying scum, you're deeply mistaken.
Would you rather have me not do anything, De Arimasu?I would rather carve you a blood eagle so you would stop being a rotten weaboo you are. Failing that, I'd rather have you play as closely approaching normal as your severely limited mental capacities allow.
You weren't let into WC and I honestly have no idea what caused Toony to do so here. This forum would be better off without you, honestly.
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 12:08:19 pm
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 13, 2013, 12:23:56 pm
Post by: Imperial Guardsman on June 13, 2013, 12:24:19 pm
Forget this, unvote NQT, Darius
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 12:28:11 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 13, 2013, 12:34:21 pm
Forget this, replacement please. You can ALL thank dariush.Thanks dariush. I appreciate it.
Post by: zombie urist on June 13, 2013, 01:22:19 pm
Also, they do have a reason to kill me. One less player trying to find them.That doesn't have anything to do with you specifically. They can kill anyone and have one less player to find them.
Some important words are bolded above. Also the answer to it is pretty obvious: by using him as a quasi-cop, so I don't really see a point to this question.Explain to me how this is in any way buddying?Leafsnail:Way to buddy.
How should we use this quasi-cop to our benefit?
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 01:28:26 pm
Post by: Dariush on June 13, 2013, 01:41:01 pm
ZU: They know my house. Guarunteed kill regardless of if they need to know it or not...You know, you are quickly approaching the state where I am less certain that you are scum and I begin hoping that you are scum. Because if you're not, then what you are doing is astounding in its stupidity.
IF YOU ARE THIRD PARTY THEN SCUM HAS NO REASON TO KILL YOU INSTEAD OF LITERALLY ANYBODY ELSE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY KNOW YOUR HOUSE OR NOT. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOUR STUPID FACE?!
If you are scum, however, then hooray! You are merely a bad player. My faith in humanity has been restored. By about 0.00001%.
You're welcome.Forget this, replacement please. You can ALL thank dariush.Thanks dariush. I appreciate it.
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 01:43:10 pm
...I guess... I don't think the way you do.ZU: They know my house. Guarunteed kill regardless of if they need to know it or not...You know, you are quickly approaching the state where I am less certain that you are scum and I begin hoping that you are scum. Because if you're not, then what you are doing is astounding in its stupidity.
IF YOU ARE THIRD PARTY THEN SCUM HAS NO REASON TO KILL YOU INSTEAD OF LITERALLY ANYBODY ELSE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY KNOW YOUR HOUSE OR NOT. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOUR STUPID FACE?!
Post by: Teneb on June 13, 2013, 03:45:27 pm
DeathswordMore like knock knock door crash sounds routine. Someone invaded my house and I ran for a hideout.Ranger, someone visited me at night as well. And by visited I mean kicked down my door. The silhouette is very blurry in the picture I recieved, so I can't identify it. Since I am obviously alive I suspect some kind of arsonist.
Tiruin stares at Deathsword with vague intrigue.
"No knock knock, hello there routine? No formal greetings? Your door was kicked down and..then what? Happy Birthday?
"Did that person look like a person?"
The only way I can even begin to describe the silhouette is to tell you to look at one of your fingers, it's more or less shaped like that.
Here is Solifuge's one-post case (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4303822#msg4303822)Solifuge simply restated others' cases on Nerjin the last day, without even expanding on them. Are you going to hunt scum this time, or will you just sit by the sidelines making cat pictures?["That last part was a bit mean you know..but still, restated others' cases? And I see it's plural--Shini and Phantom's votes were on Nerjin--yet I'm quite sure he did his own case regarding the guy.
"Care to quote?"
All other Nerjin cases were from before the first extension, during the attempts to tie the lynch. He suddenly shows up right at the day end, not having a case before, and votes Nerjin. That is some massive lurking there. I do not buy into his "pictrues take time to make" excuse since he has mostly reused the same pictures altering only the text.
I fail to see how that was mean.
However, I am changing my vote to RangerCado. Why? First he says he'll claim his house number if Tiruin and I ask him to here:
After some thought, I don't think saying which house had 2 people in it will cause a lot of harm. If Tiruin and Death have a problem with me saying, i'll keep quiet about it unless it can help the Town.Here is he saying that if 2 people ask him where he lives, he'll say it:
Ford: I have to help the town to win. Hurting the town hurts me. I have no idea what happens to the Boy.Then, suddenly, 2 is not enough. Oh no, 3 more are needed!
If 2 more people ask for my house number, i'll give.
Dariush: lets put this up to the public. you as well as 2 others (i think) have told me to claim my house. If 3 more ask, i'll do it, and i'll blame you if i die tonight.Then he finally spits out the house number (if it is truly his house is another matter):
(note to self, don't post in mafia at midnight.)The wording on the part adressed to Tiruin is rather wierd. I took it as what happens when he wins, and not how it is right now. Could be clearer
First, Extend. I know we're gonna need it.
Second, Toony, i think we need a prod on Phantom, Solifuge, and Deathsword.
Third, fine, house 11.
Tiruin: My house is locked and i leave the game with a win. And i fear bullies in house because thats how i think they target. In information... please explain what you mean by that.
Toaster: When did i say disinterested? I've said clearly i'm going to try and help town. And why are you voting for a second time?
(gotta catch my bus, will be back later)
Dariush: So i'm still lying scum even though i gave my house no. anyway? Or are you claiming that house 11 is your house?You are lying scum because you said that if 2 people asked you to say your house you would, and then suddenly 3 more were needed until people started voting you. When that happened the house number appeared quite fast.
He also seems very certain that scum WILL target him this night. Third party are only a primary target for scum if they are arsonits or some kind of SK, and according to his claim he is neither.
ZU: They know my house. Guarunteed kill regardless of if they need to know it or not... Unless someone protects me, unfortuanately the general concensos seems to just let me be as long as I'm not harming the town.Not a guaranteed kill because not only there is the possibility of you having claimed a house not your own, but the possibility scum may target someone else. Or the possibility you are backtracking scum.
Because this game doesn't spin around you. A third-party player is merely someone standing on the sidelines trying to complete their win condition by themselves. Town has absolutely no reason to care about you if your claim is true. Same thing goes for scum. You have no real incentive to hunt scum. All you need is survive long enough for a town boy to walk into your home....I guess... I don't think the way you do.ZU: They know my house. Guarunteed kill regardless of if they need to know it or not...You know, you are quickly approaching the state where I am less certain that you are scum and I begin hoping that you are scum. Because if you're not, then what you are doing is astounding in its stupidity.
IF YOU ARE THIRD PARTY THEN SCUM HAS NO REASON TO KILL YOU INSTEAD OF LITERALLY ANYBODY ELSE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY KNOW YOUR HOUSE OR NOT. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOUR STUPID FACE?!
Unrelated: I believe Ranger asked me to be prodded. Even though I had posted yesterday, and said I'd post today due to more time being available (which it indeed is). Check to see if people are really gone before asking for a prod.
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 04:05:08 pm
I'll admit that constantly trying to justify Bullies going to kill me tonight is digging me a hole so i'll stop, but oh wait, you'll just accuse me leaving off because of being pressured to do so and only that reason. And if i continue, you'll just continue to use it against me. So your all set in your ways to lynch me. Why not vote for an Extension so we can get Solifuge and Phantom back here then? Doesn't hurt if your just gonna lynch me anyway, but I for one am not going to just sit here.
Dariush: Your tunneling me and have abandoned building a case against Solifuge, which is weird considering his lurking is a point to your case against him.
Pup: Given current arguements against me, are you still sure i'm third-party? If so, why? and if not, anything new to contribute to the growing bandwagon?
Dariush, Toaster, Deathsword: You've all staked your cases against me, building onto eachothers and using eachothers, yet you guys aren't scum hunting anyone else. Are you going to do so, or are you(looking at Dariush) going to yell at me some more?
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 05:55:10 pm
"Erm, sad to see you go IG. Tip: Try putting more meat on your posts for others to latch onto, and not just raw fluff, mostly.
"...Also, Dar tends to speak his mind along with what he's feeling when he sees things so..don't take it personal, please."
:(
Ranger
Then what do you think? The matter holds as this: we're using Occam's Razor to explain that case of yers in relation to what you're saying. Third-parties, unless they're SKs (or anything that can hinder scum), will keep the game on even after town has lost their win-con and scum have their win-con. Discarding that idea, the notion of being a third-party means more on neutrality--scum and town can win while you've got your wincon done, too. I'm guessing you're a type of love-survivor? Anyway, expounding on survivors: they can win with any faction. Other third-parties, SKs, mafia and town..anything, as long as one other wincon gets fulfilled along with theirs (being alive.)....I guess... I don't think the way you do.ZU: They know my house. Guarunteed kill regardless of if they need to know it or not...You know, you are quickly approaching the state where I am less certain that you are scum and I begin hoping that you are scum. Because if you're not, then what you are doing is astounding in its stupidity.
IF YOU ARE THIRD PARTY THEN SCUM HAS NO REASON TO KILL YOU INSTEAD OF LITERALLY ANYBODY ELSE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY KNOW YOUR HOUSE OR NOT. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOUR STUPID FACE?!
"Now, you seem to be focusing on your idea of 'They know my house. They'll come to my house.' following a kill. Thinking along the lines of factional kills, you only have one per night. Alright, we get that you need a town boy to win. You don't know how many town boys live, do you? I've a dude in my house and he's pretty cool with being here (and I bet he knows who I am..I guess?) so get over here instead as you've said you've got an inspect. I mean, I did mention I've a guy in my house, something which you didn't question or in the least, act upon.
"But back to the matter at hand. Why do you think they'll waste it on you? Why aren't you poking what people are saying on you, and instead defending yourself? Why did you specifically ask me and Deathsword about that one house number matter? Why all the overthinking? What have you to gain from that?
"I'd like full answers to all those questions, thanks."
Dariush: Your tunneling me and have abandoned building a case against Solifuge, which is weird considering his lurking is a point to your case against him.I could prod this as a weak deflection, but curiosity overcomes labeling this as deflection. >_> What's up with pointing Dariush back onto Solifuge when Soli hasn't posted within the day yet?
Or do you see something he's missing during D1 that you think is better for him to bite on?
Toaster
Tiruin: My read on Ranger is that he's full of poop. Disinterested (as opposed to pro or anti town) third party is my definition of his claim- not that I believe it."And? I can obviously see you're disagreeing with him. But what have you other than a general prod in his direction?"
IG
Alright. griffinpup-san. You are a bully. Who do you bully on the first night?This is one thing I'm poking about. There's nothing else to poke on except a general situation--something which should aim to continue a conversation.
Tiruin-san, tie between NQT and Cado, who do you hammer?
Dariush-san, what is your read on ZU?
I hammer none of the above because there's no context on them, or idea about my role or motive.
My proceeding question would be 'what were you hoping to gain from that,' or a 'what was that for?' thing. Because the aim is to start a conversation and all..
Err, just hope you're ok.
...And IG kicks himself out of the subforum."This is very rude of you and I am disappointed."
Toaster: What do you see in Ranger? His motive, guessing what mud you're seeing on him?
Deathsword: Expound that case on Ranger? I'm seeing a similarity on yours, Dar's and Toasties, but there's something I'm seeing in yours specifically: you're jumping on the notion of lying when he just asked for more people to prod on his house #. Why so?
What lies are to be had there, and what would Cado gain from all that? I'm seeing a flailing [non-scum aligned] judging by how he built up his case, and someone who thinks too much on the notions at hand (and because it would be pretty amusing to see his plan in the scumchat going off like that..).
And that mean thing to Soli was him sitting on the sidelines making cat pictures. Because that's like a real blunt thing to say about him (and to disregard what he said and stuff).
ZU: I see more commentary as opposed to any case in your previous posts here. What'cha think of the recent events?
ToonyMan: Didn't Webadict say he'd like to replace in?
Post by: zombie urist on June 13, 2013, 06:26:41 pm
ZU: I see more commentary as opposed to any case in your previous posts here. What'cha think of the recent events?I'm kinda waiting for NQT to post. I think RangerCado's just being stupid about his claims again.
...I guess... I don't think the way you do.How do you think then?
Also have you figured out if the guy you sleep with leaves the game or not?
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 06:28:40 pm
First, the inspect house thing. I don't leave my house when i use it. (i can't even leave my house) Also, i only get a number, no silhouettes or names. (really not a useful ability)
You've claimed someone is was in your house, and Deathsword claims someone broke his door down as well. You say i never acted on it, yet no one else has either. And unless you or Deathsword are claiming you were in house 7 last night, then i have nothing i can add beyond speculation.
Killing me = 1 less person trying to find them.
I have accused them of just jumping on me, not hunting anyone else, yet what am i supposed to poke them about right now? Can't poke Dariush for just yelling his head off about an issue, thats all he does and is completely normal for him. You just poked Toaster about his blank case. And i already picked apart Death's main problem with me and answered his questions.
You two claimed you had another person in your house. I know a house that had 2 people in it last night. No one else claimed anything else so i asked you two if you were all right with it as it may reveal your house number.
I overthink things, depending on my mood i may overthink a little or a lot. I can't help it most of the time.
Could you explain what your referring to by "gain from all that"?
And yes that comment about IG was mean, i'm sorry about that.
ZU: Already said they don't.
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 06:36:34 pm
You've claimed someone is was in your house, and Deathsword claims someone broke his door down as well. You say i never acted on it, yet no one else has either. And unless you or Deathsword are claiming you were in house 7 last night, then i have nothing i can add beyond speculation.ABANDON SHIP.
"Well thanks for saying it out loud. At least I know that guy isn't Deathsword."
Killing me = 1 less person trying to find them."So is killing anyone else. I still didn't see an answer to all that speculation about people killing you as said by house # (you know, an expounded answer?)
"Also I was asking what you had to gain from overthinking stuff, and why."
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 06:40:14 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 06:48:35 pm
Ford: uh... okay. And only i leave the game with a win, the town boy stays. (yes he has to be town)"I missed this one post ok? Idiot...
IG: Give better reasons then that.
Since i don't think this will cause many problems: Last night there were 2 people in house seven.
PPE: ZU, i posted today before Pup so he did know my claim.
(I feel awkward being reffered to as a she... freaking Roles.)
"Why did you claim house."
Post by: notquitethere on June 13, 2013, 06:56:11 pm
(I really want to give some attention to this but I'll be out the house from tomorrow morning until Sunday afternoon, taking trains to far flung towns, staying up for days and attending a wedding. It's possible I might get a real post in before the deadline but it's unlikely.)
Post by: zombie urist on June 13, 2013, 06:57:39 pm
"Well thanks for saying it out loud. At least I know that guy isn't Deathsword."This isn't necessarily true. Deathsword could have visited you and two different people went to his house.
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 07:03:01 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 07:11:20 pm
ZU: You only know who whos in the house your in.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2013, 07:22:42 pm
We wouldn't need to really claim anything to do this plan, we could effectively anonymize it via house numbers and only claim later if a mafia member chooses to go against the plan (there's no real way to hide your silhouette since someone else would be able to contradict you). The only issue would be mafia members being paired up together, but if we go in threes that would be extremely unlikely.
I wouldn't want to crowd too many people together though in case of an ability that kills everyone in a single house.
Also unvote, RangerCado. His increasing reluctance to give out his house number makes no sense given his claimed role, which would require people to know his house number in order for him to have a meaningful chance of winning or being useful.
All the more motivation to keep Cado around as long as possible.I was thinking "send male players to him to see if they're town or not", but I'm pretty sure Cado must be lying about his role somehow now so nevermind.
Leafsnail:
How should we use this quasi-cop to our benefit?
I'm kinda waiting for NQT to post.There are plenty of players in this game who aren't NQT though??
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 07:35:35 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 13, 2013, 07:41:15 pm
Also unvote, RangerCado. His increasing reluctance to give out his house number makes no sense given his claimed role, which would require people to know his house number in order for him to have a meaningful chance of winning or being useful.Oh god you must be fucking joking.
house 11.
Speaking of which, now that I know that, I'd like to point out that Ranger is playing his role completely wrong. He's legitimately handling this very poorly.
Him leaving the game is not in our best interests, therefore, we should not allow any town males to go to his house, now that we know which one it is. There is no point in lynching him, unless you disbelieve his claim.
PPE: Ranger
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2013, 08:05:11 pm
Him leaving the game is not in our best interests, therefore, we should not allow any town males to go to his house, now that we know which one it is. There is no point in lynching him, unless you disbelieve his claim.I disbelieve his claim. Furthermore, if you did believe his claim then you'd want to send potential town males to his house in order to try and confirm their alignments.
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 08:13:52 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on June 13, 2013, 08:21:36 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 08:25:07 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 13, 2013, 08:31:41 pm
"You aren't a succubus, right?"
Post by: RangerCado on June 13, 2013, 08:38:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 13, 2013, 10:21:23 pm
ToonyMan: Didn't Webadict say he'd like to replace in?I thought I'd give Imperial Guardsman a chance, plus, he responded pretty quickly. I'm sorry Dariush.
MOD: prod Phantom and Solifuge please.Okay.
Vote Count
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(4)RangerCado - Toaster, Dariush, Deathsword, Leafsnail
(0)Deathsword -
(2)Notquitethere - Zombie Urist, Birdy51
(0)Solifuge -
(1)Birdy51 - Tiruin
(6)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Notquitethere, Solifuge
Day 2 will last until Friday 6/14 at 11 PM EST
RangerCado and Notquitethere have request an extension, if five more people request an extend the day will be extended until Monday June 17th 11PM EST.
Birdy51 has replaced Nerjin/Imperial Guardsman. Also I have lost respect for IG...
Post by: zombie urist on June 13, 2013, 10:49:31 pm
There are plenty of players in this game who aren't NQT though??Which is why I'm talking to those other players currently.
Speaking of which, now that I know that, I'd like to point out that Ranger is playing his role completely wrong. He's legitimately handling this very poorly.Actually, despite what he says, scum don't really have an incentive to kill him so if he gets rid of some town girls, his chances of staying with a town boy alone increases. However this doesn't really work anymore since if it looks like he's doing that he'll get lynched immediately. So I guess he is forced to work with town. Or at least pretend to help the town. Hmm....
Him leaving the game is not in our best interests, therefore, we should not allow any town males to go to his house, now that we know which one it is. There is no point in lynching him, unless you disbelieve his claim.
"...How does that make sense?"It made more sense in my head. :P
Post by: Dariush on June 14, 2013, 02:31:07 am
Dariush: Your tunneling me and have abandoned building a case against Solifuge, which is weird considering his lurking is a point to your case against him.RangerCado uses Deflection! It's not very effective...
...
Dariush, Toaster, Deathsword: You've all staked your cases against me, building onto eachothers and using eachothers, yet you guys aren't scum hunting anyone else. Are you going to do so, or are you(looking at Dariush) going to yell at me some more?
ToonyMan: Didn't Webadict say he'd like to replace in?After what he's done in Great Temple? Oh hell no.
Birdy51 has replaced Nerjin/Imperial Guardsman. Also I have lost respect for IG...>implying you had it in the first place
Post by: birdy51 on June 14, 2013, 05:17:38 am
I will post more later when I have some time, as I have to work right now. I will try to work out a proper post later today!
Post by: Tiruin on June 14, 2013, 06:05:09 am
Ranger "I'll ask you a simple question. Why are you flailing around, and pointing at others along with giving a comparison of their posts according to activity, recently?
"Why are you not voting? Your allegations onto those who're voting you seem pretty much along the theoretical line of suspicion, right?
"Lastly, I get the feeling that you're being picky on your answers. Many statements have been issued against you, and you pick and answer those which seemingly stand out as a generalist answer. Why so?"
ZU
"I'd love to know what sense that made.""...How does that make sense?"It made more sense in my head. :P
Birdy51: "Though I cannot hold you for Nerjin's...actions, which most of my idea on him is based on, I'd like to simply ask you what was your own take on his deeds in the previous day, and your viewpoint of what's going on today."
Leafsnail
It's just occured to me: could we meet up in pairs/threes to prevent mafia members from taking any action? IE, randomly pair up houses and get all of the occupants of the selected houses to meet somewhere. Then, if anyone's not where they should be their partner/other people in the trio would know.This...makes a lot of sense when you see it in a protective way, actually. I'm with this strategy.
We wouldn't need to really claim anything to do this plan, we could effectively anonymize it via house numbers and only claim later if a mafia member chooses to go against the plan (there's no real way to hide your silhouette since someone else would be able to contradict you). The only issue would be mafia members being paired up together, but if we go in threes that would be extremely unlikely.
I wouldn't want to crowd too many people together though in case of an ability that kills everyone in a single house.
HOWEVER
How does the bolded portion make sense?
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 11:02:28 am
I'm not voting because i was trying to figure out who of the three seems the scumiest to me. And i have found one, though OMGUS will be called despite any points i make.
And i'm answering questions somewhat generally due to the fact that i'm getting band wagon'd by people for saying what first comes to my mind, so i'm thinking about my answers more, however scummy that sounds.
Toaster: You've made no attempts to figure out my alignment beyond, he's backtracking get him. What is your opinion of me now? Who besides me do you think is a bully? Why haven't you contributed anything to the day besides pokes at me?
Dariush: Your being an idiot. You think i'm scum, fine, but your playing like i'm the only scum player there is. I said to search for others because no one thinks there is just 1 bully, and yet you continue to bluster and yell at me. Your not hunting for anyone else when there is other people around and there is obviously atleast a second bully. Your arguement is based off of 1 self contradiction when i forgot something i had already said at midnight when i was too tired to remember. Since then, you've called me a lying scum, giving almost nothing to argue the point with because you don't care. Your not helping the town, your going for a band wagon lynch.
Solifuge: If drawing pictures is keeping you from posting content stop. and stop lurking.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 14, 2013, 11:05:34 am
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 14, 2013, 11:10:32 am
Post by: ToonyMan on June 14, 2013, 04:05:32 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - RangerCado
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(4)RangerCado - Toaster, Dariush, Deathsword, Leafsnail
(0)Deathsword -
(2)Notquitethere - Zombie Urist, Birdy51
(0)Solifuge -
(1)Birdy51 - Tiruin
(6)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, Notquitethere, Solifuge, Shinigami_King
Day 2 will last until Friday 6/14 at 11 PM EST or in about 6~ hours
RangerCado, Notquitethere, Zombie Urist, and Shinigami_King have request an extension, if three more people request an extend the day will be extended until Monday 6/17 at 11PM EST.
Post by: birdy51 on June 14, 2013, 04:19:09 pm
Birdy51: "Though I cannot hold you for Nerjin's...actions, which most of my idea on him is based on, I'd like to simply ask you what was your own take on his deeds in the previous day, and your viewpoint of what's going on today."
First, UNVOTE NQT.
In a word... I would describe Nerjin-san as a bit erratic.
He just didn't seem to have his heart in the game. His first real post was asking for a replacement, a request that he then pulled a mere thirty minutes later. The RPing was also doing him no favors unfortunately. Luckily, he seemed to pick up on his game a bit later, and started asking questions that seemed to matter. Then, immediately afterwards he would let them fall to the wayside without ever touching those arguments ever again, and proceeded to sink his teeth into Lenglon until she was bullied away. Without any justification or reasoning behind it.
In short, I do not blame you for suspecting Nerjin-san. I can honestly say that I am not quite able to follow his reasoning. I can get into more detail if you would like, but I want to address your second question right now, as the matter is pressing.
RangerCado may be a fool, but he's not scum.
In the last game that I had played with him, I made the unfortunate mistake of tunneling him on the First Day. RangerCado roleflipped as the Town Cop to get me off his back. Needless to say, very few believed him, including myself. We made much more out of the situation than we should have, and we unceremonially lynched him.
Due to having that experience with him though, I have absolutely no reason to believe he is not telling the truth now. As before, he saw perceived benefits from flipping his role early. And once again, RangerCado is on the brink of paying dearly for it.
For now, I shall tender an Extend vote. This lynch is being rushed to the table far too quickly without due consideration.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2013, 05:12:32 pm
I don't think this has been asked so directly before, and I don't have enough time right now to check, so...
What were you trying to gain by role-claiming?
Birdy:
What are your reasons for voting NQT?
Extend
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 05:25:11 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 14, 2013, 05:28:22 pm
Birdy:
What are your reasons for voting NQT?
Extend
Hah! I am an utter failure... I forgot, that you only needed to say Unvote.
I don't know why IG voted for NQT, so I had meant to unvote as I don't hold the same sentiment.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2013, 05:29:35 pm
And thanks birdy, that makes more sense.
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 05:38:47 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2013, 05:45:23 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 06:14:54 pm
You were worried about a cop claiming to tell everyone that you're third party and should be lynched for it? Wouldn't it be better for said cop to wait until they find mafia?When have you ever seen me think logically? and yes, probably.
Post by: Tiruin on June 14, 2013, 07:15:52 pm
Tiruin: ...Okay... I'm flailing because i'm panicking, thats rather simple. Not sure where i'm comparing peoples activity though.Why @ bolded part?
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 07:19:34 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 14, 2013, 07:45:17 pm
My win-con is completely luck based without claiming.This is true only if you randomly visit houses at night instead of trying to identify town guys and try to bait them into visiting you.
More people need to post. :-\
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 07:46:11 pm
...I can't leave my house remember?My win-con is completely luck based without claiming.This is true only if you randomly visit houses at night instead of trying to identify town guys and try to bait them into visiting you.
More people need to post. :-\
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2013, 08:03:50 pm
Considering the fact that you DON"T think logically, and the fact that you're as statistically likely as anyone else to be scum, I think that you'd be an acceptable lynch unless an alternative was raised. Do you have someone that's a better alternative as a lynch then you? Why would they be a better lynch for Town as opposed to you?
Post by: Tiruin on June 14, 2013, 08:06:02 pm
Extend. Something's just not right with that Ranger-deal. Have to re-read. After all the work today. And classes. And other things. And work.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 14, 2013, 08:10:18 pm
The extend has passed with 50% wanting it. Day ends Monday at 11PM EST.
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 08:17:42 pm
Everyone voting me has done no other scum hunting today since my claim despite there more than likely not just 1 bully. Their arguements are weak, with Toaster, death, and leafsnail more or less band wagoning me as they've given no definite questions. Dariush has my vote because he is completely against searching for other mafia members. Its a stupid way too look at things and makes no sense.
Now, Pup. Why are you talking about going for an easy lynch? Your even trusting my claim but are now pulling a 180 and going, "he's just as likely as anyone else." That is stupid and lazy of you.
just under 2 hours left till day end. someone please extend.
PPE: Thank goodness!
Post by: Tiruin on June 14, 2013, 08:26:47 pm
PFPTiruin: ...Okay... I'm flailing because i'm panicking, thats rather simple. Not sure where i'm comparing peoples activity though.Why @ bolded part?
Well, i'm about to be lynched on terrible grounds and unless someone (such as you) gives the last extend vote, i will be.Yeah, this speaks to me that if you're lynched, it's all game over for you. Confirmed third-party, as it seems your wincon needs an exact townie, of an exact gender, to be in the exact house you're in.
I'm still waiting for your answers, you voters.
Post by: griffinpup on June 14, 2013, 08:32:46 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 14, 2013, 08:42:07 pm
For ex. You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed. If your only defense for this garish mistakes is that you don't think logically, of course I want you out of the game. I don't want you muddying up the waters, regardless of what alignment you have. Scum aren't allowed to claim stupid every time they make a mistake.Griffin, I'd like a thorough explanation of the bolded portions. He hesistated, apparently, but he gave out the house #, as well as that other house he inspected. You seem to be undermining his condition by pointing out a previous statement which doesn't relate to the current statements going on. Where was the orange portion, and what did you do about it given your abject stance on the matter?
Explain why and how, along with how the first statement makes him scum.
Post by: RangerCado on June 14, 2013, 09:00:06 pm
You want me lynched, despite believing my claim because it seems nothing bad can come of it? Its wasting a lynch on someone who can't even win without the town! My abilities are harmless, I can't even leave my house, and you want to kill me because no one else looks bad right now? And, like Dariush, you've chosen to forgo hunting to find other scummy players. And i'm the illogical one? By your logic i should be killed just for playing the game.
Post by: zombie urist on June 14, 2013, 09:14:30 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 14, 2013, 11:58:37 pm
Birdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.
Dariush- I realize your a bit of a prickly cactus but you seem to change your votes more based on emotion, gut feeling and anger. Is this true? If so why, if not is there something you particularly find significant about your scumhunting?
Tiruin-You always seem to be nice and you have an acceptable type of play. I have also heard that you are commonly scum. How would I discern scum you from regular you?
Post by: Dariush on June 15, 2013, 04:16:02 am
Birdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/131/319047856_dbf1ef3e92.jpg)
Dariush- I realize your a bit of a prickly cactus but you seem to change your votes more based on emotion, gut feeling and anger. Is this true? If so why, if not is there something you particularly find significant about your scumhunting?
Tiruin-You always seem to be nice and you have an acceptable type of play. I have also heard that you are commonly scum. How would I discern scum you from regular you?
This is the second day. The end of it, to be precise. Even so, all you have to contribute is a bunch of pointless RVS questions. After you've done the same in #809. And I pointed it out. And you failed to follow up on your questions in any way whatsoever. And, most of all, what is the bolded part supposed to mean? You are asking Tiruin to defend himself against his own meta, like some kind of an anti-case. You're activelurking, lazy scum. Go hang.
Post by: birdy51 on June 15, 2013, 09:41:40 am
Birdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.
For Nerjin, he lacked the neccessary resolve to create and follow through with his arguements. He was consistently either softballing and bandwagoning. He simply wasn't in the right mindset. Nerjin often cited stress and being busy as excuses. With a game as big as this one, I imagine that he lost the drive to keep going.
As for IG, I don't fully understand his line of thought. I suppose he was trying to scumhunt, but his methods were utterly innefective. His posts were flawed by being painfully short and the fact that they offered very little to the overall conversation. Then he left. What more can I say?
Post by: Dariush on June 15, 2013, 12:01:07 pm
Yeah, this speaks to me that if you're lynched, it's all game over for you. Confirmed third-party, as it seems your wincon needs an exact townie, of an exact gender, to be in the exact house you're in.Why do you completely discard the extremely likely possibility of him flipping scum, Tiruin?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 15, 2013, 01:37:06 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 15, 2013, 02:07:32 pm
Have you asked ANY meaningful, non 'RVS' questions this day? I can't seem to find any.
Post by: Dariush on June 15, 2013, 02:08:07 pm
Dariush, I can understand why you aren't pleased but my post did have more than just "RVS" questions. I claimed what I thought about the "Ranger" affair and don't mistake my question directed at you as a half assed attempt to do something. Answer the god damn question because right now you're actions are looking as sporadic and irrational as Nerjin's. Also, don't hide behind memes thinking that I wont notice you avoiding the question asked that you had quoted in the same post.Haha. What you're saying is funny because you're desperately trying to put deeper meaning into the already voiced shitRVS questions and engaging in hypocrisy by accusing me of avoiding your shitquestion while avoiding my question about not following up your previous dose of RVS with anything.
And to answer your shitquestion, no, it is not true and the feature about my scumhunting I find the most significant is the fact that it is absolutely perfect.
By the way, you're still lazy activelurking scum. Voicing your opinion on Ranger affair is, despite the TREMENDOUS amount of effort put into copying the opinion of pretty much everyone else (that scum has no reason to kill third party), not really helping your case due to you not doing absolutely anything else. And before you ask, 'pressuring' me to answer your shitquestion doesn't count either.
Post by: zombie urist on June 15, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Griffinpup: Why haven't you voted yet? Why has the majority of your D2 content been about RangerCado's claim. Do you believe or disbelieve his claim? What's your opinion on DS's case?
shinigami:This is basically the exact same thing Dariush said.
Have you asked ANY meaningful, non 'RVS' questions this day? I can't seem to find any.
Dariush: That profanity is going to get you expelled. :-X
Post by: RangerCado on June 15, 2013, 02:16:32 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 15, 2013, 03:35:24 pm
Quote
Daruish-What are your thoughts on Ford's role? How about Ranger's? Nerjin just left us and has been replaced by Guardsman, how will you use this to your advantage? How scummy do you find Guardsman?I found you, and still find you, scummy. This question was not purely random, it was using the current circumstances presented to me to try to see if you were hiding something, and to see if you would reveal any poor cover up strategies with your scumbuddy. Gathering everyone's oppinions of ford's and ranger's roles was important because if people start contradicting themselves something may be up. Currently I see that you are leading a bit of a bandwaggon against ranger.
Quote
Imperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.This question's purpose was to try to use the replacing player to "triangulate" whether Nerjin was scum or not. IG didn't play... as expected, so the question was null and void.
Quote
Everyone- Not asking for WIFOM, just some insight from the public, does anyone here have an opinion that they would like to share about the night. (Nk's, questionable actions etc.)I think it is important to hear everyone's oppinions of what happened and how we should approach the day.
Quote
Birdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.This is once again me attempting to "triangulate" their alignment. I do believe nerjin & accomplices are scum but continued pressure will likely yield greater results.
Quote
Dariush- I realize your a bit of a prickly cactus but you seem to change your votes more based on emotion, gut feeling and anger. Is this true? If so why, if not is there something you particularly find significant about your scumhunting?Your "perfect scumhunting" isn't as perfect as you claim. Don't get full of your self. Your scumhunting day one was practically the opposite of perfect. You cursed people out for colours and pictures and then didn't lead a compelling case for the person you wished to lynch (solifuge) in case you have forgotten already. If you were perfect there would be no reason for us to question you in the first place because your perfect scumhunting would put a flawless case in front of our noses.
Quote
Tiruin-You always seem to be nice and you have an acceptable type of play. I have also heard that you are commonly scum. How would I discern scum you from regular you?This was my most "RVS"-y question. But can you really say that I should not question her skill at being scum. Besides, this blatantly blunt question could cause a slip up. But this is by far my worst question. One thing though is while I don't suspect tiruin I do not want everyone to forget about her all together.
You are back on my radar. Daruish, burn in hell.
Post by: Tiruin on June 15, 2013, 08:16:34 pm
Tiruin-You always seem to be nice and you have an acceptable type of play. I have also heard that you are commonly scum. How would I discern scum you from regular you?"I am nice, and thanks for noting that. I have no idea if I'm commonly scum, because I'm not a bullying type--situational stuff happens anyway, and I guess you're thinking that I was made such because of fate. Blame the gods, or the great moderators in the sky for my past, would you?
"Anywhoo, the discernment would have to come straight from your own observations and hypothesis, Mr. Holmes. I cannot give general characteristics if I'm scum or not due to me playing..as who I am in most areas--I'm easily vulnerable to lying (and wanting to lie so my wording is a bit specific at times), I tend to ensure that the intentions or motives are at least non-vague in people who I'm suspicious of, I poke not to undermine, but to catch my target (as scum) on valid cases inasmuch that I can use that case as a double-edged sword against the person in question...Pretty much a vague line between who I am given the role I have. I'm a philosopher and a pre-medical student, someone who looks at humanity with the unbiased eye of realism and someone who appreciates art and music. I abstain from full out lying, or swearing. I aim for long term goals instead of short term goals, and always leave leeway for unexpected occurrences. Need I tell you more or shall I write my own biography along with every itty-bitty precious and precarious flaw I have along with myself in the area? Because that'll cost you.
"Why're you asking me that, and how will it help you?"
Dariush-san
Tiruin pulls up a white book and opens it to a bookmark.Yeah, this speaks to me that if you're lynched, it's all game over for you. Confirmed third-party, as it seems your wincon needs an exact townie, of an exact gender, to be in the exact house you're in.Why do you completely discard the extremely likely possibility of him flipping scum, Tiruin?
"Guts."
"I don't see how it's extremely likely that some kind of stupid bully, especially one which I bet has some sort of secret channel of communication with his or her buddies, would try to do such an atrocious act of claiming, failing to claim, panic, (along with the notion of 'bussing'), deflect, panic again, claim house numbers, and have a darn inspect (or..have a scumbuddy in the right house, which I see as really tough, however I'm willing to give the silhouette of the guy in my house given that he got the right number.). Oh, and panic more.
"Tell me, why is it extremely likely? Also,"
PFP Query to those voting Ranger: "How would a claimed Third-Party (despite his antics) be seen as scum due to his flippety-jumpyness? He also has an inspect--something of which would be fairly deadly in scum's hands, but if he flips scum (wherein I read flailing non-mafia), then it would prove that bullies attack via houses--Is that mainly the case on Ms. Cado?""You missed something of mine."
Tiruin points at that one other person in the room.
Dariush: That profanity is going to get you expelled. :-X"He has a point."
All that, and the notion that most votes on Ranger stem on the probable house-fishing, as well as reluctance to claim his house number. Where's the scumminess in that? None of you voting for him state how.
Post by: griffinpup on June 15, 2013, 09:59:52 pm
I'll do the bolded portions separately.For ex. You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed. If your only defense for this garish mistakes is that you don't think logically, of course I want you out of the game. I don't want you muddying up the waters, regardless of what alignment you have. Scum aren't allowed to claim stupid every time they make a mistake.Griffin, I'd like a thorough explanation of the bolded portions. He hesistated, apparently, but he gave out the house #, as well as that other house he inspected. You seem to be undermining his condition by pointing out a previous statement which doesn't relate to the current statements going on. Where was the orange portion, and what did you do about it given your abject stance on the matter?
Explain why and how, along with how the first statement makes him scum.
You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed
What I meant in this statement is that Cado never claimed his house number when claiming his role. This is inconsistent with the role he claimed, which requires someone to go to his house in order for him to win. It's hard to go to someone's house if you don't know which house it is. Scum, on the other hand, have motivation to keep their house number secret. There's most likely a cop or vigilante who operates on house numbers, and any scum would be very reluctant to give out their house number.
I don't want you muddying up the waters, regardless of what alignment you have. Scum aren't allowed to claim stupid every time they make a mistake.
These two sentences are separate thoughts. Cado's alignment will always always be in question, and the same issues will probably come up over and over until his win-con, whatever it is, is fulfilled or until he dies. That is what I meant by muddying the waters. The second sentence is me referring to the lack of logic behind Cado's actions.
You were worried about a cop claiming to tell everyone that you're third party and should be lynched for it? Wouldn't it be better for said cop to wait until they find mafia?When have you ever seen me think logically? and yes, probably.
Didn't say it was good logicI don't think that claiming that your logic is flawed discounts or makes up for the actions you have taken. This is what I'll never be able to get a reliable on Cado, because it's apparent that he doesn't think logically.
you don't think logically, of course I want you out of the game
Again, this relates back to me not being able to get any sort of reliable reads on Cado, other then the fact that he makes bad decisions. This is why I'm not voting him, but wouldn't mind seeing him gone.
I'll respond to everyone else soonish. I'm taking it one post at a time. I've not had much time recently.
PPE: Turuin
Post by: ToonyMan on June 15, 2013, 10:11:01 pm
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(2)Dariush - RangerCado, Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(4)RangerCado - Toaster, Dariush, Deathsword, Leafsnail
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Solifuge -
(1)Birdy51 - Tiruin
(6)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, Notquitethere, Solifuge, Birdy51
Day 2 will last until Monday 6/17 at 11 PM EST
Post by: Tiruin on June 15, 2013, 11:54:15 pm
Why @ bolded part?I'll do the bolded portions separately.For ex. You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed. If your only defense for this garish mistakes is that you don't think logically, of course I want you out of the game. I don't want you muddying up the waters, regardless of what alignment you have. Scum aren't allowed to claim stupid every time they make a mistake.Griffin, I'd like a thorough explanation of the bolded portions. He hesistated, apparently, but he gave out the house #, as well as that other house he inspected. You seem to be undermining his condition by pointing out a previous statement which doesn't relate to the current statements going on. Where was the orange portion, and what did you do about it given your abject stance on the matter?
Explain why and how, along with how the first statement makes him scum.
You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed
What I meant in this statement is that Cado never claimed his house number when claiming his role. This is inconsistent with the role he claimed, which requires someone to go to his house in order for him to win. It's hard to go to someone's house if you don't know which house it is. Scum, on the other hand, have motivation to keep their house number secret. There's most likely a cop or vigilante who operates on house numbers, and any scum would be very reluctant to give out their house number.
Post by: notquitethere on June 16, 2013, 12:06:34 am
"Oh, you'll never guess who I saw last night! Student #15, the girl with the cool boots. She wasn't doing any bullying at the time, so I guess that's something we know. Have there been any revelations or are you all just bickering (as usual)?
"Phantom-san, did you learn anything in the night?"
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 12:21:09 am
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 12:27:53 am
(freaking post button and 504 errors!)
Post by: notquitethere on June 16, 2013, 12:44:52 am
Spoiler: excuses (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: meta speculation (click to show/hide)
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 12:49:46 am
Post by: zombie urist on June 16, 2013, 12:55:51 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 16, 2013, 01:15:57 am
Post by: Dariush on June 16, 2013, 04:10:35 am
Dariush: That profanity is going to get you expelled. :-XPrefixing words with italisized 'shit' is not profanity. It's merely an anti-honorific intended to display my disgust at the word being prefixed, similar to how Japanese uses honorifics.
Dariush: Well then, why don't you answer all the questions i gave you? Second post of page 60 if you didn't see it. Or are you going to ignore them under the guise of "Their stupid questions" as your doing right now?There are only 19 pages. Unless you are using the obsolete 15ppp setting, in which case like hell I'm going to go looking for your post if you are too lazy to even quote it.
Shitnigami, I don't see a player named Daruish in this game (or on this forum, for that matter). Are you sure you didn't misspell someone's name, Shitnigami?
If your case consists on this non-existent Daruish of anything more than OMGUS, Shitnigami, be sure to point those reasons out, because I'm not seeing it. What I'm seeing, Shitnigami, is you expanding on the RVS questions, Shitnigami, and, notably, an absence of any case whatsoever for, Shitnigami, voting for this Daruish. Shitnigami. Also, Shitnigami, apparently you have enough time to carefully dissect your shitquestions, Shitnigami, but still continue excusing yourself by school, Shitnigami, and not doing anything productive at all, Shitnigami. So you're lazy, activelurking, OMGUSING scum who promised to vote only when he has a decent case and instead did so because your target dared to question the validity of your shitquestions. Shitnigami, Shitnigami, Shitnigami.
P.S.: I'm sorry if I misspelt your name, it's very hard to spell it correctly. Shitnigami.
Toony, Solifuge and PotL have both been absent for 200+ hours. Dead people have only been absent for 100. And while the latter has been absent from the forum entirely, Solifuge has no qualms about posting (a lot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=16427)) in other threads. Do something with them.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 16, 2013, 07:20:00 am
"I'm not sure I should say yet where I saw Cool Boots-chan in case she lives in that house (it was a girl's house) and the bullies get her. Is that understandable, Ranger-kun? I think the vote to have you evicted is stupid. You obviously want more love in your life and if we could get more houses shut then we increase our chance of catching the bullies in the act, no? Do you disagree, Leafscum-san?"What the fuck are you talking about? Setups have randomized roles you dingus.Spoiler: meta speculation (click to show/hide)
RangerCado's claimed role is just about pro-town, but the fact that he appears to be lying (at best I suspect it doesn't have to be a town boy or that it is a town boy who's removed from the game) and not town means he really isn't worth keeping in the game.
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 07:41:52 am
"Come on, Leafsnail-san, you've had all this time to think about the notion, and you come up with a probability? Explain how that could be a lie, because at best, your case leads to suspicions and not sure footing.
"What's worth keeping in game--something scummy, or something which doesn't directly affect you? Yea, you seem to be working on the principle of begotten knowledge. Aim for whatever threat presents itself because it presents itself. Please answer my query to you earlier. Also, could you reiterate your case on Ranger? It seems like you're spinning around there with conclusions and proceedings.
Tiruin flips a page in the blue pocketbook.
"Also, swearing is a no-no, looks like NQT-sama has gotten you by the tongue, hmm?"
"I'm not sure I should say yet where I saw Cool Boots-chan in case she lives in that house (it was a girl's house) and the bullies get her. Is that understandable, Ranger-kun? I think the vote to have you evicted is stupid. You obviously want more love in your life and if we could get more houses shut then we increase our chance of catching the bullies in the act, no? Do you disagree, Leafscum-san?""NQT. I have a thing with wording and grammar, as well as books and literature, and something irks me on the side of an ability-based-word. Why do you ask Leafsnail if he disagrees in that manner?"
Post by: Leafsnail on June 16, 2013, 08:09:30 am
Finally, he definitely isn't town, so lynching him is lower risk than lynching anyone else.
This...makes a lot of sense when you see it in a protective way, actually. I'm with this strategy.I wrote a response to this earlier and then closed the window without posting it, sorry. Basically I mean that if the mafia is forced to go to specific houses they can't take other actions as they please - as you say it's basically a protective measure.
HOWEVER
How does the bolded portion make sense?
Post by: griffinpup on June 16, 2013, 08:47:13 am
PFPI explained the bolded part.Why @ bolded part?I'll do the bolded portions separately.For ex. You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed. If your only defense for this garish mistakes is that you don't think logically, of course I want you out of the game. I don't want you muddying up the waters, regardless of what alignment you have. Scum aren't allowed to claim stupid every time they make a mistake.Griffin, I'd like a thorough explanation of the bolded portions. He hesistated, apparently, but he gave out the house #, as well as that other house he inspected. You seem to be undermining his condition by pointing out a previous statement which doesn't relate to the current statements going on. Where was the orange portion, and what did you do about it given your abject stance on the matter?
Explain why and how, along with how the first statement makes him scum.
You didn't say what house is yours. You'd have incentive to do this if you were scum. You wouldn't have incentive to do this if you were the role that you claimed
What I meant in this statement is that Cado never claimed his house number when claiming his role. This is inconsistent with the role he claimed, which requires someone to go to his house in order for him to win. It's hard to go to someone's house if you don't know which house it is. Scum, on the other hand, have motivation to keep their house number secret. There's most likely a cop or vigilante who operates on house numbers, and any scum would be very reluctant to give out their house number.
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 08:52:48 am
PFP-writing long post @ Leaf
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 16, 2013, 09:51:55 am
Dariush, or should I keep saying Daruish do to you screwing with my name? Anyway, the lower amount of content coming from me is because of school which will be finished this week (3 days to go!) But to appease the great Daruish gods I shall try to find some time today to make a nice beautiful long and strong (at least to my standards) case on you.... It shouldn't be that hard to be honest seeing as you know... you're bloody scum.
Expect the post with my case in it by 10:30 PM PST today latest.
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 10:01:14 am
RangerCado seems to me to be lying about his role because if he were telling the truth he'd want to instantly reveal his room number, or else there would be literally no point in claiming.
One thing that debunks that case. You're believing his first statement: Ye Claim. Where I see it: you're believing his claim, and then attacking him for an error due to something related to the claim. Said error equals stalling in the form of suspicious actions due to knowledge along the lines of 'I must attain this objective by meeting [SPECIFIC_GENDER].'
His defense: 'Guaranteed kill (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4317296#msg4317296)'. When actually, it could be the chance of them picking him (which I guess is part of your basis). From this statement, I could judge that he believes the mafiakill to be a house visit-thing judging by his speculation on roleblocks/redirects: here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4316897;topicseen#msg4316897). At the first day, we had 16 people and 14 houses, there was bound to be places which had either extras, or homeless people at game start. One area got bully-evicted, the other got...quit-closed. Now? It would be 14 people, 12 houses. Which is what we've got now. We have the case of dual pairing here: me and Deathsword; whoever the other two in our houses are, either won't claim, or (as I think of it), are probably bullies or the original homeless players. (Though..beginning the game with a bully in the same house? Too much theoretical thinking at the moment.)
Anyway: Panic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4319693#msg4319693)..going back to the main point: he's thinking it's a sure kill on the mafia side. I'd agree with you on the lying about role thing, but I can't see in any other way on how that'd be formed as a lie (relying on gender..that's one thing to look out for. Lenglon mentioned some romance point in her PM, something which is also vaguely hinted in mine..somehow). Plus: it would be such a glaring act requiring the gall to claim such (and then flail afterwards) to still be scum after your own plan has been foiled..by yourself.
Which would, in its essence, be a totally horrid waste of time, equaling a very flail-y third-party. While I'm pretty annoyed at his antics, it doesn't match up when you mark him as a mafia member ('Hey guys let's do x and y and do z and a on Day 2 so...') because that would either mark him as a true actor, or someone who has messed up the communication lines.
In addition, his lack of credibility means the one potentially pro-town aspect of his claimed role (the pseudo-cop ability) is totally useless.I say nay, my dear snail. His inspect marks a number. Whether house number or number of people in a house targeted (I blame grammar for claim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4315684;topicseen#msg4315684) reasons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4318150;topicseen#msg4318150), or my own comprehension is dipping low due to time of day here..), I leaned on the latter when I answered him back.
Because he tells the truth. I am in house 7 (in which my ability of today is useless to help with), and I've got some guy with me who stayed the night over, in a cordial peace. Or as far as I could tell anyway.
Finally, he definitely isn't town, so lynching him is lower risk than lynching anyone else.Which would also equal to something that goes between threat, and neutral possibility. He's a third-party, and I've no qualms to disbelieve that (But if he IS mafia, then either his buddies got my location; that dude with me is one of his buddies..which really strikes me weird because of how the silhouette looks or something else, which doesn't really make much sense to me).
RangerCado seems to me to be lying about his role because if he were telling the truth he'd want to instantly reveal his room number, or else there would be literally no point in claiming. He didn't, and stalled, which strongly suggests to me that he was lying because his claim contradicts his actions. If he's lying that means his role is probably worse for town than advertized (up to and including "is actually a mafia member"), and therefore worth lynching. In addition, his lack of credibility means the one potentially pro-town aspect of his claimed role (the pseudo-cop ability) is totally useless.I'll quote Lenglon here to advance my point.
Finally, he definitely isn't town, so lynching him is lower risk than lynching anyone else.This...makes a lot of sense when you see it in a protective way, actually. I'm with this strategy.I wrote a response to this earlier and then closed the window without posting it, sorry. Basically I mean that if the mafia is forced to go to specific houses they can't take other actions as they please - as you say it's basically a protective measure.
HOWEVER
How does the bolded portion make sense?
"My role would have changed each night, for the first four nights. Each night if I stayed home I would either have gotten no power, a house-destroying nightkill, with a 50% chance of killing everyone in the house, and guaranteed to destroy the house itself, which would force the house's owner away in any case, a beacon that would redirect 20% of all people to my house if they were going anywhere, or a defensive ability that would send back home anyone that tried to visit me, and leave them stunned for the next night as well. I could not save up these abilities to use together, but if I wanted to keep a power, I could visit someone else, without using it, and save it for later. In any case, I would become powerless after night 4."If a player is in a house, that is only when an ability can work: Said abilities affect either the house, or the location, or people in transit. I've no ability at the moment which does any of the above but I'm really believing that abilities must act in such a manner:
> The ability user must be stable in a house and not in transit.
I'd like to ask you what you think about the mafia faction and their factional kill given that you've proposed a plan such as that. I'm guessing they've a factional kill--used by one of their members each night--and the others can roam around freely with their abilities and whatnot. They can appear harmless, but then they'd know which silhouettes belong to who and watch the thread for what subtle claims exist (as I'm pretty much singled out now, but in that way I'm backing up Ranger's claim).
PPE: Pup
Note ahead: This post has been a conglomeration of tired thoughts from the day..so I'm speaking my mind here.
PPE: Shini
Dariush, or should I keep saying Daruish do to you screwing with my name? Anyway, the lower amount of content coming from me is because of school which will be finished this week (3 days to go!) But to appease the great Daruish gods I shall try to find some time today to make a nice beautiful long and strong (at least to my standards) case on you.... It shouldn't be that hard to be honest seeing as you know... you're bloody scum.Too tired to check back. What's the difference of him, and the others voting for Ranger as I guess that was your case before? It has similarities to them.
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 10:07:37 am
Dariush: Your being an idiot. You think i'm scum, fine, but your playing like i'm the only scum player there is. I said to search for others because no one thinks there is just 1 bully, and yet you continue to bluster and yell at me. Your not hunting for anyone else when there is other people around and there is obviously atleast a second bully. Your arguement is based off of 1 self contradiction when i forgot something i had already said at midnight when i was too tired to remember. Since then, you've called me a lying scum, giving almost nothing to argue the point with because you don't care. Your not helping the town, your going for a band wagon lynch.
Or if you don't have the patience to understand what i'm asking, Why do you appear to think i'm the only scum? Why aren't you doing any other scum hunting? Why do you not care who is lynched as long as you get your way? Give 3 good reasons, that aren't you having a temper tantrum, why i should b lynched.
Leafsnail: ...You realize how unbalanced that would be right? If anyone visits my house I win as long as they didn't kill me? That is unbalanced to the max. And your being lazy and unhelpful. What you've just said, is "i'm going to go for the easy lynch because he claimed he isn't town." I have the most harmless role in the world, and your gonna kill me for it? And I didn't claim my house number immediately because i don't want to be NKed in anyway shape or form. (Been tossing around the idea of a possible second SK but it seems unlikely)
Your whole case is three points:
-You think i'm lying.
-I'm not town so I should die.
-I didn't want to reveal my house number.
My counter to these:
-Why would i lie when the town is how i win (only the males yes but i don't know who anyone is)
-Why don't you go scum hunting for a bully instead of taking the lazy route like Dariush? Your killing me for not being town, because theres no reason not to? You lose a vote trying to help the town!
-I have no desire to be NKed in anyway, shape, or form. Simple.
Enough ranting for now, Answer my questions Dariush and Leafsnail.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 16, 2013, 10:10:27 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 11:07:44 am
Tiruin- Daruish seems to have dropped more scumtells. I'll go in depth into my case with him by the end of the day.Tiruin plays Lenglon's recorder as a gift from the good friend.
"Seems to."
"Is that all the difference there is? Because Dar..'seems to' have dropped more scumtells? Other than that, what's your take on them then?"
Post by: zombie urist on June 16, 2013, 11:26:58 am
Do you think helping a benign third party is good for the students or the bullies, given our current understanding of the house system?"I don't think helping RC is beneficial to either side right now. Assuming he's telling the truth, he can't leave the house, so he really can't do anything so we can just leave him there.
RangerCado: What is the flavor behind your win-con? Also please learn the difference between "your" and "you're".
Griffinpup
GriffinpupGriffinpup: Why haven't you voted yet? Why has the majority of your D2 content been about RangerCado's claim. Do you believe or disbelieve his claim? What's your opinion on DS's case?shinigami:This is basically the exact same thing Dariush said.
Have you asked ANY meaningful, non 'RVS' questions this day? I can't seem to find any.
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 11:30:46 am
Post by: zombie urist on June 16, 2013, 11:38:04 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 11:41:13 am
ZU: The only flavor i have is that the only reason i'm coming to school is because their kicking people out."...How does this even make sense?!"
Post by: birdy51 on June 16, 2013, 12:17:29 pm
ZU: The only flavor i have is that the only reason i'm coming to school is because their kicking people out."...How does this even make sense?!"
"Perhaps it is because students are being bullied away, so the school is desperate to pick up new students. This would also explain why Ranger-San isn't allowed to visit. He doesn't know who to visit, being new to the school.
Post by: zombie urist on June 16, 2013, 12:35:32 pm
Also why are you answering for RC? Also also, why haven't you done any scumhunting since you replaced in?
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 12:38:22 pm
(http://cdn.astroempires.com/images/smilies/smilie_bleh.gif)ZU: The only flavor i have is that the only reason i'm coming to school is because their kicking people out."...How does this even make sense?!"
"Perhaps it is because students are being bullied away, so the school is desperate to pick up new students. This would also explain why Ranger-San isn't allowed to visit. He doesn't know who to visit, being new to the school.
"That still makes no sense! Who would run a school..to get students..to kick them out sooner or later?! I can-I don-..My mind can't comprehend how the next two sentences make as much sense as that."
Tiruin takes a deep breath.
"What. Are. You. Talking. About."
No one who uses Darkling, which is everyone except you, can read that color.I use darkling. It's a standard forum color.. :<
Also why are you answering for RC? Also also, why haven't you done any scumhunting since you replaced in?
But yeah, much like beige, navy is hard to see. I'm not sure how hard it is to see, because I see it fine both in core and in Darkling. Nobody complains about my color scheme, and it's chocolate!
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 16, 2013, 12:51:17 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 12:54:50 pm
I will just cry now.
Check the colors. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?119520-bbcode-name-for-colors-for-forums)
But first, given that you'll answer things later on: I'd like to see how you see the current cases of today, Shinigami. Because it seems that a disparately large amount of people are focusing on one third-party and the rest are..prodding. With short sticks. Prodding the arguments but not sharpening them into points.
And then lurkers. Anyway, yeah. Answers please? Thanks.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 16, 2013, 12:57:31 pm
Toony, Solifuge and PotL have both been absent for 200+ hours. Dead people have only been absent for 100. And while the latter has been absent from the forum entirely, Solifuge has no qualms about posting (a lot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=16427)) in other threads. Do something with them.Solifuge has acknowledged my prod. Phantom of the Library hasn't responded at all. I could give a tentative replacement request for Phantom until he shows up again.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 16, 2013, 01:21:03 pm
Post by: birdy51 on June 16, 2013, 02:03:04 pm
(http://cdn.astroempires.com/images/smilies/smilie_bleh.gif)ZU: The only flavor i have is that the only reason i'm coming to school is because their kicking people out."...How does this even make sense?!"
"Perhaps it is because students are being bullied away, so the school is desperate to pick up new students. This would also explain why Ranger-San isn't allowed to visit. He doesn't know who to visit, being new to the school.
"That still makes no sense! Who would run a school..to get students..to kick them out sooner or later?! I can-I don-..My mind can't comprehend how the next two sentences make as much sense as that."
Tiruin takes a deep breath.
"What. Are. You. Talking. About."
Think of this way.
The school is losing students due to this bullying problem, yes? If that is the case, they need fresh students in order to keep the school from going under. However, even as they bring in new students the core problem of bullying persists. Desperation rises and the school takes the action of letting the students hunt the bullies, thereby washing their hands of the issue that they have so utterly failed to resolve.
No one who uses Darkling, which is everyone except you, can read that color.
Also why are you answering for RC? Also also, why haven't you done any scumhunting since you replaced in?
Hrmm... I don't know what "Darkling" is. I am going out on a limb and assume that Darkling changes the background, which causes Navy to blend in with the black. My own background is whitish, which Navy stands out rather well in. I'll abandon it if it makes life easier.
As per the second question, I am simply adding my own input. The concept really is not as foreign as Tiruin would make it out to be for the reasons above.
Then, there is the fact is not in my nature to be an aggressive scum hunter. Some people like to be on a constant offensive, picking off targets one by one. I don't. If I am going to pick a fight, I am going damn well certain it's grounded on something solid.
Then, there is also the fact that people seem to think that the only action you can take in this game is to scumhunt until you find the guilty. There is also an equal reward in keeping people alive. This takes wholly different approach in analysis. I personally believe RangerCado is a waste of a lynch. I don't find him particurally suspicious, especially given that his behaviour matches past behaviour in other games. Ranger is doing nothing that he already hasn't done in the past, and yet he's still receiving uneccessary amounts of attention for his various mistakes. Repeated mistakes mind you. Therefore, I think that calls into question the integrity of those who are voting to have him lynched.
Dariush and Leafsnail have already voiced why they continue to vote for them, but it has been a while since Deathsword and Toaster have said anything on the subject. Before I do anything, I want to see whether they are still able to justify their votes on RangerCado.
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 03:22:14 pm
Ask Toonyman after the game, he wrote this stuff.ZU: The only flavor i have is that the only reason i'm coming to school is because their kicking people out."...How does this even make sense?!"
Why do you have to spend a night alone with a town boy? (Don't say its your wincon) Is it because you need to sleep with him? Talk to him about some secrets?I have no idea. Best guess, I'm lonely and anti-social.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 16, 2013, 04:01:25 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
So how about you claim your house so that someone will be able to visit? :-/ Also, is your wincon game-ending? Do you leave the game?When I first saw this I thought it was just a towny being suspicious but scum would have a huge reason to learn what house he lives in and if his ability is game ending. I think it was obvious that you didn’t plan on helping him at all in the first place so how would knowing any of this information help you. To me it looks like you are going for an easy lynch or you are just trying to siphon away some information to help yourself and your scumbuddies.
Moving on.
Quote
Solifuge, are you planning to do anything that isn't contentless shitpictureposts today? Your 'main' post yesterday (#748) was basically defending Lenglon, stealing other people's reasons for voting Nerjin (those reason being stealing other people's reasons for votes) and FOSMGUSing me for... lurking? Seriously? That's the best case you've got after an entire day? (well, not counting your 'case' on Nerjin)What I want to point out here is not really your posturing towards Solifuge but the way you’re FOSing nerjin. “scum but less so”. first, you are scum or you are not. You can’t technically be “less so”. I feel like there is an almost general consensus that Nerjin is likely scum compared to silifuge who while has been playing poorly for sure, has not been giving off major scumtells. This portion of your post looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy”. You FOS and then forget. Seems legit.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Even though my read on you fell through the floor, I'm still going to give you one last chance to redeem yourself. Claim your house.Did you seriously threaten him to just tell you his house number? That thing that you can use to kill him. Well, ranger’s reasons for not saying his house number are dumb due to the fact that we already agreed that scum wouldn’t target him but there are other reasons that I have already stated in posts before this one as to why he wouldn’t want to claim his house. Here you are trying to pull the information out of him, and later as we will see soon, you attack him for claiming due to being hesitant. No matter what he would be guilty. Way to use that good old catch 22 on him there. No matter what, he is one screwed mafia player.
Quote
Isn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?Lazy ass is being lazy. You are avoiding the area of trying to make “assumptions” because he is your scumbudy and you don’t want to put him in everyone’s line of focus. You’re also not posting anything here with significant content.
Quote
“Ahaha, good old Dariush, just being mean to everybody :P He is just acting natural and is a grump, now time for me to go pay attention to someone who isn’t Dar~” Trying to look natural when attacking someone wile presenting no content… seeing as this is the replacement of your scumbuddy of course you would avoid starting a real case on them.Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitrightNQTNQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!Wow, you're stupid.
Why did we even let him into this game?...
Moving on.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 1 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: 2 (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[1]Just simplifying what was already said in my post. You hide behind your bloody meme as you attack me for trying to get people to slip up. How do you know if what I'm doing is strategical relevant or not. Seeing as you are a fellow player you should understand that there are times where you are acting upon what you think is the right choice but at the time may not look hunky dory. Well, you obviously slipped up because your response to my OP was flawed and showed no sign of content from you.
[2]I didn't follow up this very well seeing as I only showed the meaning behind all my questions. I think now is a good time for my rebuttal against your post.
Quote
And to answer your shitquestion, no, it is not true and the feature about my scumhunting I find the most significant is the fact that it is absolutely perfect.so when you finally get around to answering my question, you answer it in the worst way possible. Yeah, great job there mate. Your perfect scumhunting smells like BS. It smells bad and you should feel bad. I need to say that I may not be the only one interested in your answer here. Everyone can use what you say as a way to measure how scummy you are. By refusing to answer and then answering in a comical not at all serious or reliable way you are withholding information from the town. I think I might just feel tempted to say
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
By the way, you're still lazy activelurking scum. Voicing your opinion on Ranger affair is, despite the TREMENDOUS amount of effort put into copying the opinion of pretty much everyone else (that scum has no reason to kill third party), not really helping your case due to you not doing absolutely anything else. And before you ask, 'pressuring' me to answer your shitquestion doesn't count either.while some of the points I made were mentioned already I supposed you missed my unique points that I brought to the table. No? Well take a look at the post again.
Quote
Ima fire'in ma busy~~~~ (So much English homework ) I need to say that I personally believe ranger's claim and I don't think we should lynch him. We just don't send anyone to house 11. We keep someone on town's side fighting for us and they will never win. Scum would be stupid to target him because it would be a waste of an NK. He's just that guy who can sit in the corner giving some info on our enemy. And in the end, we only half listen to what he says because who could lie to trick us into letting him win. I say we attack someone who is actual scum. I'd prefer not to waste a lynch.the bolded parts are relatively original to some extent. The underline just shows that I think that what you are are doing, is wasting a valuable town lynch. If we feel he is telling the truth we should in no way lynch him.
last one
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Prefixing words with italisized 'shit' is not profanity. It's merely an anti-honorific intended to display my disgust at the word being prefixed, similar to how Japanese uses honorifics.Sorry but I just have to say I think this is hilarious. Even though it's directed to me, it's so ridiculous that it works :P
Quote
There are only 19 pages. Unless you are using the obsolete 15ppp setting, in which case like hell I'm going to go looking for your post if you are too lazy to even quote it.Who is the lazy one? You keep on making accusations of people being lazy but as far as doing anything productive, you seem to be the laziest here and you strike me as scum trying to simply hinder town.
Quote
If your case consists on this non-existent Daruish of anything more than OMGUS, Shitnigami, be sure to point those reasons out, because I'm not seeing it. What I'm seeing, Shitnigami, is you expanding on the RVS questions, Shitnigami, and, notably, an absence of any case whatsoever for, Shitnigami, voting for this Daruish. Shitnigami. Also, Shitnigami, apparently you have enough time to carefully dissect your shitquestions, Shitnigami, but still continue excusing yourself by school, Shitnigami, and not doing anything productive at all, Shitnigami. So you're lazy, activelurking, OMGUSING scum who promised to vote only when he has a decent case and instead did so because your target dared to question the validity of your shitquestions. Shitnigami, Shitnigami, Shitnigami.Well, I think this post should settle whatever qualms you had about this whole shindig. Also, what happened to your emotions not controlling you? This seems rather.. "heartfelt".
Sorry Tiruin. Could you answer my question that I asked earlier today. I would like you to confirm how I'm expected to answer your question before I answer it.
Post by: griffinpup on June 16, 2013, 05:45:42 pm
...Because you think house numbers are the key?Because
There's most likely a cop or vigilante who operates on house numbers, and any scum would be very reluctant to give out their house number.An asteroid of death on day three comes to mind.
Just to get this right, you originally voted me for not responding to your questions in my next post? My post that amounted to one question? You then reiterate your vote AFTER reading this?
GriffinpupGriffinpupGriffinpup: Why haven't you voted yet? Why has the majority of your D2 content been about RangerCado's claim. Do you believe or disbelieve his claim? What's your opinion on DS's case?shinigami:This is basically the exact same thing Dariush said.
Have you asked ANY meaningful, non 'RVS' questions this day? I can't seem to find any.
I'll respond to everyone else soonish. I'm taking it one post at a time. I've not had much time recently.Regardless, I'll answer your questions. I've been busy unusually buys in RL, so I haven't been able to put in enough time to justify me placing my vote on someone. I've mostly been focusing on Cado because that's pretty much all that's happened today. I'm not sure about his actual alignment, as his actions are illogical both from a town perspective, a third party perspective, (the third party he claimed. He may be a SK or something that didn't want people to freak out when he was found third party. His lack of elaboration on his flavor seems to agree with this.), and scum perspective. Apart from the obvious mistake in his case, it's fairly accurate, and I agree with most of his points.
Any more questions? From anyone?
Post by: griffinpup on June 16, 2013, 05:57:58 pm
May I comment on your case against Dariush?
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 06:00:14 pm
Shinigami_King:Never ask permission, it makes you look scummy dude. Just say what you want.
May I comment on your case against Dariush?
Post by: griffinpup on June 16, 2013, 06:07:31 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 16, 2013, 06:15:51 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 16, 2013, 06:36:18 pm
Not necessarily scummy, but it gives the impression that you need something instead of utilizing your free will.Shinigami_King:Never ask permission, it makes you look scummy dude. Just say what you want.
May I comment on your case against Dariush?
On another note: Smells like verbal-ability use here on the 'May I comment...' thing.
What's up, Griffin?
...That would make little sense. If someone were to claim house number, how would that affect a hypothetical cop/vigilante's pick? Expound...Because you think house numbers are the key?BecauseThere's most likely a cop or vigilante who operates on house numbers, and any scum would be very reluctant to give out their house number.An asteroid of death on day three comes to mind.
Also, you're mentioning Ford why?
...Who isn't speaking. Somehow.
Let me specify. Do you want to hear Dariush's reply before or after I respond to your case?How does this matter? You're in a position to respond, aren't you?
Post by: griffinpup on June 16, 2013, 08:48:00 pm
PFPI don't really understand your question. I want to say my ceiling, but that's not what you're looking for. What are you looking for?Not necessarily scummy, but it gives the impression that you need something instead of utilizing your free will.Shinigami_King:Never ask permission, it makes you look scummy dude. Just say what you want.
May I comment on your case against Dariush?
On another note: Smells like verbal-ability use here on the 'May I comment...' thing.
What's up, Griffin?
Quote
It makes sense. A there's likely a cop or vigilante power that works on house numbers, not names. A vigilante that destroys a house, but not a person, for example. Sounds familiar? It seems only logical that there's a cop with the same restriction. When a cop with this restriction knows who lives in a house number, they get a confirmed townie or scum or whatever if they inspect it. That means that there's more incentive for them to inspect houses they know the occupant of....That would make little sense. If someone were to claim house number, how would that affect a hypothetical cop/vigilante's pick? Expound...Because you think house numbers are the key?BecauseThere's most likely a cop or vigilante who operates on house numbers, and any scum would be very reluctant to give out their house number.An asteroid of death on day three comes to mind.
Quote
Also, you're mentioning Ford why?Because if his claim it true, he acts as a form of vigilante.
Quote
When I scumhunt, I usually prefer for the person in question to respond to my points first. It allows me to see what they actually think, and doesn't let them piggyback off of other arguments. I was wondering if Shinigami cared. It looks like I won't have time to bring up the things that I wanted soon anyways, so it doesn't really matter.Let me specify. Do you want to hear Dariush's reply before or after I respond to your case?How does this matter? You're in a position to respond, aren't you?
Post by: Leafsnail on June 16, 2013, 09:08:32 pm
One thing that debunks that case. You're believing his first statement: Ye Claim. Where I see it: you're believing his claim, and then attacking him for an error due to something related to the claim. Said error equals stalling in the form of suspicious actions due to knowledge along the lines of 'I must attain this objective by meeting [SPECIFIC_GENDER].'I'm not believing his first statement, I'm saying I don't believe it! I'm really not sure where you got that impression from.
His defense: 'Guaranteed kill (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4317296#msg4317296)'. When actually, it could be the chance of them picking him (which I guess is part of your basis). From this statement, I could judge that he believes the mafiakill to be a house visit-thing judging by his speculation on roleblocks/redirects: here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4316897;topicseen#msg4316897). At the first day, we had 16 people and 14 houses, there was bound to be places which had either extras, or homeless people at game start. One area got bully-evicted, the other got...quit-closed. Now? It would be 14 people, 12 houses. Which is what we've got now. We have the case of dual pairing here: me and Deathsword; whoever the other two in our houses are, either won't claim, or (as I think of it), are probably bullies or the original homeless players. (Though..beginning the game with a bully in the same house? Too much theoretical thinking at the moment.)His defence is bullshit. If he was worried that revealing his number would make him a target for the mafia then what he actually should have done was not claimed at all. If we are to believe his claim then he claimed even though he gained absolutely no benefit by doing so.
Again: let's imagine that Cado's claim is true, and also that there's a town boy out there, and he believes Cado, and he decides he wants to help him. Without Cado's number he can't do shit. Cado still has the same, random chance of meeting a boy in the night as he did before.
Anyway: Panic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4319693#msg4319693)..going back to the main point: he's thinking it's a sure kill on the mafia side. I'd agree with you on the lying about role thing, but I can't see in any other way on how that'd be formed as a lie (relying on gender..that's one thing to look out for. Lenglon mentioned some romance point in her PM, something which is also vaguely hinted in mine..somehow). Plus: it would be such a glaring act requiring the gall to claim such (and then flail afterwards) to still be scum after your own plan has been foiled..by yourself.I agree that Cado probably wouldn't be smart or bold enough to make up a claim like that, but the thing is he doesn't need to be. I'm starting to suspect that one of his partners created the claim for him, and then he hamhanded the execution by adding contradictory details to it and not properly thinking through what someone with his claimed role would actually want to do.
Which would, in its essence, be a totally horrid waste of time, equaling a very flail-y third-party. While I'm pretty annoyed at his antics, it doesn't match up when you mark him as a mafia member ('Hey guys let's do x and y and do z and a on Day 2 so...') because that would either mark him as a true actor, or someone who has messed up the communication lines.
The motive would be to make people trust Cado due to the "I don't think Cado could make up a claim like that" factor.
I say nay, my dear snail. His inspect marks a number. Whether house number or number of people in a house targeted (I blame grammar for claim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4315684;topicseen#msg4315684) reasons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4318150;topicseen#msg4318150), or my own comprehension is dipping low due to time of day here..), I leaned on the latter when I answered him back.When I say "pseudo-cop", I mean the ability of the claimed role to detect whether a male player is town or not. I don't mean the inspection ability he claimed, which is terrible. It's worse than simply visiting a house, in fact - if you visit a house you get a headcount and silhouettes. The only "advantage" is that you don't show up at the scene, which barely counts.
Because he tells the truth. I am in house 7 (in which my ability of today is useless to help with), and I've got some guy with me who stayed the night over, in a cordial peace. Or as far as I could tell anyway.
Which would also equal to something that goes between threat, and neutral possibility. He's a third-party, and I've no qualms to disbelieve that (But if he IS mafia, then either his buddies got my location; that dude with me is one of his buddies..which really strikes me weird because of how the silhouette looks or something else, which doesn't really make much sense to me).You're saying that the silhouette you saw looks town, or something? I really don't think you can tell alignment just from a silhouette.
If a player is in a house, that is only when an ability can work: Said abilities affect either the house, or the location, or people in transit. I've no ability at the moment which does any of the above but I'm really believing that abilities must act in such a manner:I understand your point now. I think there'd still be protective value in the plan, though - I'm pretty sure mafia members would not be able to go to one house and kill somebody in another, because that would make the entire system essentially meaningless. So regardless of how they use their factional kill this would either stop them from using it or make it much easier to identify who is doing it.
> The ability user must be stable in a house and not in transit.
I'd like to ask you what you think about the mafia faction and their factional kill given that you've proposed a plan such as that. I'm guessing they've a factional kill--used by one of their members each night--and the others can roam around freely with their abilities and whatnot. They can appear harmless, but then they'd know which silhouettes belong to who and watch the thread for what subtle claims exist (as I'm pretty much singled out now, but in that way I'm backing up Ranger's claim).
Post by: RangerCado on June 16, 2013, 09:18:11 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 16, 2013, 09:58:43 pm
Just to get this right, you originally voted me for not responding to your questions in my next post? My post that amounted to one question? You then reiterate your vote AFTER reading this?Yeah I did. What are you gonna do about it. ::)
Regardless, I'll answer your questions. I've been busy unusually buys in RL, so I haven't been able to put in enough time to justify me placing my vote on someone. I've mostly been focusing on Cado because that's pretty much all that's happened today. I'm not sure about his actual alignment, as his actions are illogical both from a town perspective, a third party perspective, (the third party he claimed. He may be a SK or something that didn't want people to freak out when he was found third party. His lack of elaboration on his flavor seems to agree with this.), and scum perspective. Apart from the obvious mistake in his case, it's fairly accurate, and I agree with most of his points.Do you believe his claim? What obvious mistake? Also what do you have to say about your post that basically repeated Dariush's post?
Any more questions? From anyone?
Post by: ToonyMan on June 16, 2013, 11:10:45 pm
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(2)Leafsnail - Notquitethere, Tiruin
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(2)Dariush - RangerCado, Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(4)RangerCado - Toaster, Dariush, Deathsword, Leafsnail
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Solifuge -
(0)Birdy51 -
(5)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, Solifuge, Birdy51
Day 2 will last until Monday 6/17 at 11 PM EST
Post by: Dariush on June 17, 2013, 05:51:09 am
Cado, you're fuckdamn stupid. In case you haven't noticed (or rather noticed, but chose to ignore it, because you're fuckdamn stupid), my secondary target aka Solifuge has been lurking his ass off and I drew everyone's attention to it. But you ignored it, because you're fuckdamn stupid, and continued accusing me of tunneling. My tertiary target aka Shitnigami is being ruthlessly ignored by me oh wait no I am actually addressing to him the majority of my posts, but you ignored it, because you're fuckdamn stupid.
Oh, and on the subject of tunneling - the textbook definition is 'relentlessly attacking someone without any or extremely weak reasons'. And yet the only defense you have presented to me is that I am only attacking you. Except I am not, but you ignored it, because you're fuckdamn stupid.
Also, in your relentless pointing out to big bad Dariush and big bad Leafsnail that they are not doing anything except attacking poor little Cado (which isn't true, but you're fuckdamn stupid) you also completely accidentally missed the fact that you aren't doing absolutely anything else. Your best case is 'Y U ONLY ATTACK ME'. Your only 'suspects' are people who are attacking you for completely valid reasons. You don't even attempt to explain your behaviour beyond 'You only attack me (this is untrue, but you ignored it, because you're fuckdamn stupid), therefore I don't have to defend against your accusations'. You are literally of no worth to the town (and this subforum, to be honest) because all you're doing is wasting space and throwing votes randomly, harming the town. Oh, and you're a fuckdamn stupid hypocrite, but you probably already guessed that.
Shitnigami, if you think I am going to read all that crap you threw at me, you're deeply mistaken. You didn't address me a single time during the entire game (or maybe you did, but it was RVS questions, because all your content was RVS questions, so that doesn't really matter), you randomly slung RVS questions at people and the moment someone reacted, you immediatly voted him and revealed deeper meaning beyond the manifestation of your laziness, like some kind of an expressionist 'artist' calling two scribbles art and vomited a completely pointless WoT that probably quoted every single of my posts and explained how every single one shows I am scum, Antichrist and an alien simultaneously without bothering to as much as hiccup in anyone else's direction at any point in those proceedings. Good going, scum.
Post by: Dariush on June 17, 2013, 06:01:43 am
Post by: griffinpup on June 17, 2013, 08:28:08 am
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2013, 09:29:37 am
ToasterTiruin: My read on Ranger is that he's full of poop. Disinterested (as opposed to pro or anti town) third party is my definition of his claim- not that I believe it."And? I can obviously see you're disagreeing with him. But what have you other than a general prod in his direction?"
--
Toaster: What do you see in Ranger? His motive, guessing what mud you're seeing on him?
At best, he's unhelpful third party. At worst, he's a mafia member (if so, you're probably his buddy by how far you're going out of your way to defend him.) His motive is trying to get himself not targeted/lynched. As has been said multiple times, his claim and his actions do not match up.
PFP Query to those voting Ranger: "How would a claimed Third-Party (despite his antics) be seen as scum due to his flippety-jumpyness? He also has an inspect--something of which would be fairly deadly in scum's hands, but if he flips scum (wherein I read flailing non-mafia), then it would prove that bullies attack via houses--Is that mainly the case on Ms. Cado?"
The first sentence simply makes no sense. Why are you so ready to believe his claim? And what? How the hell would his flipping scum prove anything other than he's a lying liar who lies a lot?
Confirmed third-party
I think you need to reasses your definition of the word "confirmed."
All that, and the notion that most votes on Ranger stem on the probable house-fishing, as well as reluctance to claim his house number. Where's the scumminess in that? None of you voting for him state how.
This is chainsaw-defense level of obtuseness. It's been said repeatedly why this makes no sense- he claims he needs someone to VISIT HIM to win, and yet he won't give out his house number, hiding behind the ridiculous notion that scum might want to kill him, a claimed non-town.
"Come on, Leafsnail-san, you've had all this time to think about the notion, and you come up with a probability? Explain how that could be a lie, because at best, your case leads to suspicions and not sure footing.
BZZZZZZZZ FIRE UP THAT CHAINSAW
Ranger:
Toaster: When i win its locked, Just like the empty houses... atleast i don't think we can action those. And yes i'm afraid i would be NKed, i have no protection against it.
Okay, I misunderstood you there.
Toaster: You've made no attempts to figure out my alignment beyond, he's backtracking get him. What is your opinion of me now? Who besides me do you think is a bully? Why haven't you contributed anything to the day besides pokes at me?
Because I'm quite convinced, and everything you (and at this point, Tiruin) post just further confirms it for me. Like I said, the only risk to lynching you is lynching a useless alignment instead of a scum one.
NQT: For now atleast. And letting me win only helps town to a certain extent. Town still loses a vote helping them, but they'll gain a confirmed Townie if a male visits me alone.
And who will confirm that townie? Not you, since you'll be gone. We also have no guarantee that said male will return (your word on it is worth nothing.)
-Why don't you go scum hunting for a bully instead of taking the lazy route like Dariush? Your killing me for not being town, because theres no reason not to? You lose a vote trying to help the town!
"You should be scumhunting someone other than me" is not a valid defense.
Speaking of Birdy, I need to read his material, but let me get this out first.
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2013, 09:32:07 am
Post by: Tiruin on June 17, 2013, 09:35:19 am
That's quite the narrow viewpoint you've got there, as well as the lack of definitives, Toaster. I take it you're not seeing my context on him when you accuse me of 'defending'? Explain how I would go out of my way to defend someone flailing like that, given your take on me.
Post by: Phantom of The Library on June 17, 2013, 09:46:17 am
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2013, 09:53:38 am
PFP
That's quite the narrow viewpoint you've got there, as well as the lack of definitives, Toaster. I take it you're not seeing my context on him when you accuse me of 'defending'? Explain how I would go out of my way to defend someone flailing like that, given your take on me.
Lack of definitives? Here's a definitive for you.
RangerCado is anti-town and needs to be lynched.
My take on you is that you can spin endless wordy arguments when someone is running counter to your arguments, be it a lynch case on you or someone you don't want lynched. If you're putting that effort into Ranger, which is pretty much to the exclusion of everything else at this point, you REALLY don't want him lynched. It's gone beyond "I think he's town and therefore a mislynch" and into "he's my scumbuddy and I want to save him."
PFP Query to those voting Ranger: "How would a claimed Third-Party (despite his antics) be seen as scum due to his flippety-jumpyness? He also has an inspect--something of which would be fairly deadly in scum's hands, but if he flips scum (wherein I read flailing non-mafia), then it would prove that bullies attack via houses--Is that mainly the case on Ms. Cado?"
The first sentence simply makes no sense. Why are you so ready to believe his claim? And what? How the hell would his flipping scum prove anything other than he's a lying liar who lies a lot?
More than anything else from my main post, I want your answer to that last question.
Post by: Tiruin on June 17, 2013, 10:24:16 am
Quote
How the hell would his flipping scum prove anything other than he's a lying liar who lies a lot?I can sense by wording and in judging from his previous posts that he isn't just wasting time in lying lying lying and fluffing the thread with his words as there's quite a fine line between accusing, evading, deflecting and lying. From that line, I find it unrealistic, in any form or way, for someone to just puff out a claim like that out of thin air when nobody currently has stated anything against Ranger (vote or otherwise) and then for him to flip up in his own claim/case on something which is totally related to the claim: house number. How he proceeded onwards at the point puts him in my eye as a newbie, especially since he's being quite frank about everything. The fear of scum targeting him (which, IMO, would hardly be an excuse scum themselves would use when caught in that situation) seems like the simplest idea. He doesn't stand on the notion of post-school/pre-house visits, hence me concluding that.
The hesitation seems to be the defining characteristic of most cases on him. Next is, you advocate a lynch on Ranger yet all I see in your past posts is a facade of aggression, along with the obstinacy of an opinion--something you're not backing up given how you word it. You're quite convinced: Why? What posts led you there?
Quote
If you're putting that effort into Ranger, which is pretty much to the exclusion of everything else at this point, you REALLY don't want him lynched. It's gone beyond "I think he's town and therefore a mislynch" and into "he's my scumbuddy and I want to save him."Mm, the aggression bleeds muchly. You'd not answer my own question on why you're jumpy on the idea of my 'defending' Ranger?
Quote
I think you need to reasses your definition of the word "confirmed."So what's your case on him? What makes him non-third party?
And why are you only posting now?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 17, 2013, 11:20:46 am
I find it quite upsetting that you refuse to respond my case against you. The fact is, of course you wouldn't. The pressure is on and you are on the run. If you try to respond to my points you're going to either slip up or run into a wall when you find that my case on you is solid and you have no means to avoid the inevitable. If you really want me to summarize my case for your lazy ass I'll do just that.
Dariush is scum! Now that I have given you a summary as to what my case on you is I think it's time to defend yourself. If you have any questions feel free to ask and if you are interested in the details you can review the OP.
I would like to note that you complain about my lack of content and my fluff posts but when I show meaning behind my posts you refuse to believe it and when I put out a solid case you refuse to even read it. I would also like to note that I have just received some time, not all of my time and I asure you that when I get all of my time I will address your other scumbuddies. Until then I will drive this strongly built and true case down the freshly paved road of scums annihilation.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 11:32:56 am
Dariush used deflection! Its not very effective. (rant against him over... Now to Toaster)
Toaster: I'm not using the "go hunt others" thing as a defence. Every context i've used it in has been to accuse Dariush of tunnelling me and ignoring everyone else. He's convinced i'm mafia and isn't likely to change his vote, so why doesn't he look for my other Mafia buddies as well if i'm so guilty? Leafsnail did similar things, but he is actually answering questions posed to him, and thinking his posts through. Unlike Dariush who has just jumped at every oportunity to yell profanity at me, and now Shinigami as well.
Why have you been gone so long? (most of that time was weekdays so no using that excuse) Why am i "anti-town" and not mafia? And why, like Dariush and Leafsnail, do you believe lynching me regardless of whether i'm telling the truth or not, will not harm the town? (If i'm telling the truth, town loses another vote working with them)
Post by: notquitethere on June 17, 2013, 01:15:05 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 17, 2013, 01:31:07 pm
You seriously think I'd be going off to defend someone flailing like that, Toaster?..and if he's a lying liar, then why're you pointing over the fact of him being third-party, then accusing of being specifically anti-town? Anyway:
Believe it? I'm watching you do it.
Because he's anti-town, as in his interests are against the town. Even if he's telling 100% truth, his interest in town only lies in a single male townie finding his way to his doorstep- he has no true investment in scum hunting. More likely, he has an actively anti-town alignment, up to and including mafioso.
QuoteHow the hell would his flipping scum prove anything other than he's a lying liar who lies a lot?I can sense by wording and in judging from his previous posts that he isn't just wasting time in lying lying lying and fluffing the thread with his words as there's quite a fine line between accusing, evading, deflecting and lying. From that line, I find it unrealistic, in any form or way, for someone to just puff out a claim like that out of thin air when nobody currently has stated anything against Ranger (vote or otherwise) and then for him to flip up in his own claim/case on something which is totally related to the claim: house number. How he proceeded onwards at the point puts him in my eye as a newbie, especially since he's being quite frank about everything. The fear of scum targeting him (which, IMO, would hardly be an excuse scum themselves would use when caught in that situation) seems like the simplest idea. He doesn't stand on the notion of post-school/pre-house visits, hence me concluding that.
This doesn't answer my question at all. What relevance does this have to attacking house number as opposed to player?
The hesitation seems to be the defining characteristic of most cases on him. Next is, you advocate a lynch on Ranger yet all I see in your past posts is a facade of aggression, along with the obstinacy of an opinion--something you're not backing up given how you word it. You're quite convinced: Why? What posts led you there?
Why do I need to quote something that bloody obvious? Hell, you admit you see it as well? [1]
QuoteIf you're putting that effort into Ranger, which is pretty much to the exclusion of everything else at this point, you REALLY don't want him lynched. It's gone beyond "I think he's town and therefore a mislynch" and into "he's my scumbuddy and I want to save him."Mm, the aggression bleeds muchly. You'd not answer my own question on why you're jumpy on the idea of my 'defending' Ranger?
If I missed a question, can you point it out? I'm not sure what you mean about being jumpy about you defending him.
QuoteI think you need to reasses your definition of the word "confirmed."So what's your case on him? What makes him non-third party?
Oh no, don't you dodge that. I'm not ruling out him being third party, but you have zero grounds to confirm him as non-mafia.
And why are you only posting now?
Because I just now got to it.
[1] Since I know you won't drop it until I quote the obvious for you, here:
I've said many times in many games before that dribbling out a claim rather than putting it all out in one piece is scummy. Ranger executes the dribble claim here:
Spoiler: Spoilered claim- note each quote is a separate post by him (click to show/hide)
Five posts to dribble out a claim, and that's before the house number nonsense. That's way too long to do a claim.
Speaking of house number nonsense...
Spoiler: Spolied again- note these posts are chronological order (click to show/hide)
If that doesn't set your scumdar ablaze, it's time to get it recalibrated. Or replaced. Or it doesn't matter because you're his scumbuddy, one of the above.
NQT:
"I'd much rather Dariush-yōgisha be suspended than Ranger-kun. One thing we can be sure of is that she isn't a bully, so even if she's not very useful, we're wasting our time worrying about her."
How?
Ranger:
Toaster: I'm not using the "go hunt others" thing as a defence.
It sounds like you are.
Why have you been gone so long? (most of that time was weekdays so no using that excuse) Why am i "anti-town" and not mafia? And why, like Dariush and Leafsnail, do you believe lynching me regardless of whether i'm telling the truth or not, will not harm the town? (If i'm telling the truth, town loses another vote working with them)
I missed Friday. Sue me.
I consider it possible that you are some other flavor of third party (SK, some sort of abductor who will run off with a townie) so saying anti-town just encompasses all possibilities. The last question is answered by your own statement- all we have to go on is your word, and I put zero worth in your word right now. Also, see above- even if you're telling 100% truth, you're still inherently self-interested.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 01:42:41 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 02:19:12 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 17, 2013, 02:32:18 pm
In other words. Deathsword- I want your reads, not on players themselves but on how much weight their cases carry. Who in your opinion is weak, bandwaggony, chainsawing or strong. In this case a percentage out of 100 would be nice. (100 being perfect no flaws and 0 being no reasons what so ever). Also, I think it would be interesting to hear an honest opinion of where you would place your case on that scale as well. I think it's important that things are concrete and everyone has a say in our vote so I do encourage others to extend and put in some content.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 17, 2013, 02:35:49 pm
EXTEND. We're still missing solifuge. Ford has disappeared along with Death, and Birdy. And we need a replacement for Phantom. Thats 5 players that should put some input in today. (Note: If solifuge doesn't show up by the time the lynch happens, he should be replaced)There's no need for Solifuge to get replaced since he's playing. I've sent Webadict and Ottofar PMs about Phantom of the Library.
Vote Count
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(1)Leafsnail - Tiruin
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(3)Dariush - RangerCado, Shinigami_King, Notquitethere
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(4)RangerCado - Toaster, Dariush, Deathsword, Leafsnail
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Solifuge -
(0)Birdy51 -
(5)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, Solifuge, Birdy51
Day 2 will last until Monday 6/17 at 11 PM EST
RangerCado and Shinigami_King have requested an extension. If four more people request an extend day will be extended 48 hours. I'll count Phantom as extending because why not.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 02:42:30 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 17, 2013, 02:45:27 pm
Quote from twilight princess :D
Post by: birdy51 on June 17, 2013, 04:06:01 pm
Oh, and on the subject of tunneling - the textbook definition is 'relentlessly attacking someone without any or extremely weak reasons'. And yet the only defense you have presented to me is that I am only attacking you. Except I am not, but you ignored it, because you're fuckdamn stupid.
Wrong answer Dariush. Get your facts straight before you go flying off the handle again.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tunneling
Quote
Confirmation Bias or Tunnel Vision is when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them. It is a form of Logical Fallacy, much like Appeal to Probability but applying to the person who makes the argument, not their audience.
It is not always a false assumption, but it can be blinding to new or better options that come along, because they do not match the player's "pet theory".
Whether or not you might realize or acknowledge it you, Toaster, and Leafsnail have become fixated on the idea that Ranger is scum. Quite frankly, I don't quite see your point in forcing out a dis-involved Third-Party and thereby wasting a lynch in the process. If that makes me look scummy, so be it. I've said my piece about there being two kinds of arguments.
You are so damnedly set on whatever perceived "targets" you may have, that you refuse to even acknowledge the very thought that you might be wrong. Rather, you seem to believe that sitting around and hurling insults until people leave you alone is the correct course of action. If another player isn't doing what you want, then you insult their integrity until they leave. In other words, you have become a manipulative bully in both contexts of this game.
Dariush, I do not trust any notion of yours in the slightest. If anyone is to be lynched, I would prefer it to be you. You are a tunneling, bullying fool and I am tired of your incessant bullshit that has somehow persisted through this entire game.
EXTEND. We're still missing solifuge. Ford has disappeared along with Death, and Birdy. And we need a replacement for Phantom. Thats 5 players that should put some input in today. (Note: If solifuge doesn't show up by the time the lynch happens, he should be replaced)
Calm down. I haven't disappeared anywhere.
Also, I am not going vote to extend this time around. This Day has lingered around long enough.
Post by: zombie urist on June 17, 2013, 04:53:13 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 05:03:43 pm
pfp You tied the vote >_> RangercadoSo i'm scummier than Dariush? And theres 5 hours left still. Reasons please.
Post by: zombie urist on June 17, 2013, 05:25:48 pm
Solifuge is playing???This looks very forced.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 05:45:44 pm
Yeah. Your claim doesn't match up to your actions at all, your reasons for not wanting to claim your house number doesn't make any sense, Dariush is totally not tunneling even though everyone says he is, the argument "you should also scumhunt other people" can apply to anyone, including yourself. Also your flavor-claim feels like total BS.Your post sounds lazy and your previous makes it feel like your only voting me because the vote was tied five hours from the deadline. Your vote is lazy and adds to the band wagon.Solifuge is playing???This looks very forced.
Death: Where are you and what are your continued reasons for voting me, or moving your vote if you decide to? And give a decent post, ie don't do what Zombie just did.
Post by: zombie urist on June 17, 2013, 05:48:17 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 06:09:06 pm
I am voting you only because the vote was tied and because you're much scummier than Dariush....How does this make you not lazy? You haven't even built a case or said what you agree with with those voting me or anything... Dude, these are the laziest reasons i've seen... Ever. If you get away with this, i will post a gif of me smashing my face into a desk.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 17, 2013, 06:19:53 pm
-He has aggressively been attacking others with little to no reasoning.
-He has been asking questions that make him look suspicious
-He is going easy on Nerjin/Birdy who everyone else seems to agree looks rather scummy at this point (I believe he is his scumbuddy)
-Threatened ranger to give away his personal information i.e. his house number.
-Used catch 22 in the way that no matter how he answered, ranger would lose
-Avoided a questions based on his thoughts on his scumbuddy birdy.
-Uses his natural angry way of addressing people as a facade to cover up his scummy actions
-Takes advantage of ranger's claim and leads the bandwaggon
-Hypocritical (not much to go on but it all adds up.)
-His posts contain literal real life bullying and carry no weight or content for a case. His posts are fluff. Spiky painful fluff but still fluff.
-Avoids questions directed at him because... I don't know... he doesn't have to stoup to that level... he is a selfish guy... he is scum.
-Claims he is perfect. (once again not much but really? Also take note he answered a legitimate question with this as his answer.)
-Refuses to acknowledge the fact that questions asked may actually have reasons for being asked *gasp*
-Only weighs in the pure negative aspects and claims that new information mixed with old should be labeled as "all old information"
-Incredibly lazy. (seeing as he is using this in his cases might as well use it in the case against him)
-Refuses to even address the case made against him.
There is obviously more to each of these things and I'm sure I missed some but as you can see, Dariush is incredibly scummy. I just wrote this post in about 3 minutes. If I can gather that many solid scumtells from him in that amount of time then "I think" we can feel fairly certain that he is a perfect candidate for being rotten scum.
Post by: Teneb on June 17, 2013, 07:02:17 pm
Spoiler: spoiler'd for size (click to show/hide)
There is obviously more to each of these things and I'm sure I missed some but as you can see, Dariush is incredibly scummy. I just wrote this post in about 3 minutes. If I can gather that many solid scumtells from him in that amount of time then "I think" we can feel fairly certain that he is a perfect candidate for being rotten scum.In short, most of those are not scumtells.
Post by: zombie urist on June 17, 2013, 07:14:57 pm
Also, I'm lazy~
-Incredibly lazy. (seeing as he is using this in his cases might as well use it in the case against him)
-Hypocritical (not much to go on but it all adds up.)>__>
I already posted my reasons. Dismissing it as "lazy" doesn't make them invalid.I am voting you only because the vote was tied and because you're much scummier than Dariush....How does this make you not lazy? You haven't even built a case or said what you agree with with those voting me or anything... Dude, these are the laziest reasons i've seen... Ever. If you get away with this, i will post a gif of me smashing my face into a desk.
Yeah. Your claim doesn't match up to your actions at all, your reasons for not wanting to claim your house number doesn't make any sense, Dariush is totally not tunneling even though everyone says he is, the argument "you should also scumhunt other people" can apply to anyone, including yourself. Also your flavor-claim feels like total BS.
Post by: Tiruin on June 17, 2013, 07:24:26 pm
Toaster
Your post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4327517#msg4327517) here really comes off as twisting words (or..something along those lines. I'm checking your intention, and there seems to be something wrong in that approach that I can't pinpoint).
Quote
Believe it? I'm watching you do it.> No true investment in scumhunting? Whatever happened to your own principles regarding scumhunting, huh? If there's a threat, then that threat will always be a priority, something I see Ranger is still trying to achieve despite flailing around on his case--which is a defensive reaction in communication, but not altogether categorized under negative communication. Yea, the only objectives I see are him either following up on his claim of Town Boy Must Meet Me, but whether or not he did claim his house number is still up to said TOwn Boy choosing to meet him there. He can't move from his house, as he said, but he can act--which forwards my idea of Ability use being tied with not being in transit and being in your own house.
Because he's anti-town, as in his interests are against the town. Even if he's telling 100% truth, his interest in town only lies in a single male townie finding his way to his doorstep- he has no true investment in scum hunting.
Scum are still a threat to him as they are for his objective, so I'm quite wondering how he has no true investment present.
> He has damned himself given that case. Nobody can choose to go to said house, and he'll be left hanging. The fact that people want to lynch him (which speaks of a WASTED LYNCH) forwards that fact, and you seem to be prodding that notion in a twisted way, going along the lines of setting up a springboard on those who may be defending his case based on what facts are present on ground of 'defending.' Something I'd like to question as you see people (specifically me) as scumbuddies with him. The question which you missed was stated here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4326955#msg4326955)
Quote
I take it you're not seeing my context on him when you accuse me of 'defending'?due to me seeing that with all my posts, it would be rather obvious of what I was trying to say (and that you're the first to state that I'm defending him as compared to the rest on his case and all)
That does answer your question, at all. But perhaps my answer isn't what you were expecting, huh. I answered to the notion of what him flipping scum would prove in a cause-effect basis. If he flips scum, his posts would be something to read over, and that's my checking on his posts beforehand.QuoteHow the hell would his flipping scum prove anything other than he's a lying liar who lies a lot?I can sense by wording and in judging from his previous posts that he isn't just wasting time in lying lying lying and fluffing the thread with his words as there's quite a fine line between accusing, evading, deflecting and lying. From that line, I find it unrealistic, in any form or way, for someone to just puff out a claim like that out of thin air when nobody currently has stated anything against Ranger (vote or otherwise) and then for him to flip up in his own claim/case on something which is totally related to the claim: house number. How he proceeded onwards at the point puts him in my eye as a newbie, especially since he's being quite frank about everything. The fear of scum targeting him (which, IMO, would hardly be an excuse scum themselves would use when caught in that situation) seems like the simplest idea. He doesn't stand on the notion of post-school/pre-house visits, hence me concluding that.
This doesn't answer my question at all. What relevance does this have to attacking house number as opposed to player?
Though, I see my wording must've choked.
Quote
I find it unrealistic, in any form or way, for someone to just puff out a claim like that out of thin airMeans that I'm against him being a lying liar (and thus, disbelieving everything he says) due to how absurd the plan seems to be. Why would scum make up such a claim as that, faff around with the numerical equivalent of 'Where am I' and then...get to that point?
That is also the question that you haven't answered. The hypothetical situation.
I do admit to seeing it, however you need to quote it because I think we've a misunderstanding on the minute aspects of what we're seeing. We've different PoV's, I'd like to remind you, and what you're pointing at with that bloody question is something I'm not specifying. It was a vague question to my general inquisition.The hesitation seems to be the defining characteristic of most cases on him. Next is, you advocate a lynch on Ranger yet all I see in your past posts is a facade of aggression, along with the obstinacy of an opinion--something you're not backing up given how you word it. You're quite convinced: Why? What posts led you there?
Why do I need to quote something that bloody obvious? Hell, you admit you see it as well? [1]
Quote
You're quite convinced: Why? What posts led you there?> No quotes. States it's bloody obvious. Evades with appealing to my PoV, which is quite weird given how you're being so pointed with it.
Tiruin gives a blank stare.QuoteI think you need to reasses your definition of the word "confirmed."So what's your case on him? What makes him non-third party?
Oh no, don't you dodge that. I'm not ruling out him being third party, but you have zero grounds to confirm him as non-mafia.
"That is a statement, not a question."
How am I theoretically dodging anything there? You state that I need to reconfigure my 'confirmation', and yet there are points which you miss in regard to quoting on Ranger which disables my confirmation. I have grounds to confirm him--yet that confirmation is in my own viewpoint--as I've no evidence based on moderator claim or fact. What my confirmation is, is due to what I've been prodding and poking around on Ranger.
Quote
[Last parts]While, yes, I do agree with the hesitation and that weird turn there when Dar asked did strike as suspicious to me, it's in how the essence of his other posts strike me that changes the view of 'Total faffing mafia' to 'Weird flailing non-mafia'.
Extend.
ZU
"I love how you piggyback onto accusations without quoting your own case."
Tiruin brings out a black book and traces your words.
Yeah. Your claim doesn't match up to your actions at all, your reasons for not wanting to claim your house number doesn't make any sense, Dariush is totally not tunneling even though everyone says he is, the argument "you should also scumhunt other people" can apply to anyone, including yourself. Also your flavor-claim feels like total BS."Firstly, the last statement seems like a blank prod on Ranger's own statement. How is that 'very' forced, and how is it forced at all? What does that imply?Solifuge is playing???This looks very forced.
"Nextly, you're stating in declarative. How does it not match up for you? How do his reasons not make sense? Why're you countering his statement on Dar's tunneling when you can't pull up anything or expound on it yourself, and why the outright heel-faced-turn regarding Ranger when you only vote him at that point?
"Because the brevity doesn't speak to me like you're trying to justify a case, rather that you're trying to hammer what part of the majority believes."
Shinigami
Sorry, missed this on you asking me what you missed.
Sorry Tiruin. Could you answer my question that I asked earlier today. I would like you to confirm how I'm expected to answer your question before I answer it.
Tiruin- Daruish seems to have dropped more scumtells. I'll go in depth into my case with him by the end of the day.Tiruin plays Lenglon's recorder as a gift from the good friend.
"Seems to."
"Is that all the difference there is? Because Dar..'seems to' have dropped more scumtells? Other than that, what's your take on them then?"
PPE DS, ZU
Post by: Teneb on June 17, 2013, 07:26:24 pm
Deathsword: Um, the 2 thing was for what house had 2 people in it that i knew of last night. (The quote proves it) So thats wrong. I had 2 people ask for what my house number was and asked for two more, then forgot i asked that when Dariush asked because i was tired. And if i claimed a fake house, why not whoever owns it call me out on it? And if i'm scum claiming a buddies house, my scum buddy just calls me out on it and busses me, making him/her seem a lot more townie as they lead the charge. And if you really think i'm third-party, leave me around doing nothing. I can't exactly harm anyone unless I vote in a way that causes a no-lynch, which doesn't help Town at all.Yet you fail to adress why you, someone that requires people to visit you in order to win, would not claim your house with your role. As for no one counter claiming, if they do and you are scum (even if you are not), then the scum will know where they live. You may be a third party, but you may not be what you claim to be. Those are not mutually exclusive. You are non-town, so town loses nothing by lynching you.
I'll admit that constantly trying to justify Bullies going to kill me tonight is digging me a hole so i'll stop, but oh wait, you'll just accuse me leaving off because of being pressured to do so and only that reason. And if i continue, you'll just continue to use it against me. So your all set in your ways to lynch me. Why not vote for an Extension so we can get Solifuge and Phantom back here then? Doesn't hurt if your just gonna lynch me anyway, but I for one am not going to just sit here.The first part makes absolutely no sense. As of the time of the quoted post, I had questions for both lurkmaster Solifuge and now-up-for-replacement phantom. I'd hardly call that no one.
Dariush, Toaster, Deathsword: You've all staked your cases against me, building onto eachothers and using eachothers, yet you guys aren't scum hunting anyone else. Are you going to do so, or are you(looking at Dariush) going to yell at me some more?
Deathsword: Expound that case on Ranger? I'm seeing a similarity on yours, Dar's and Toasties, but there's something I'm seeing in yours specifically: you're jumping on the notion of lying when he just asked for more people to prod on his house #. Why so?I believe his claim to be utterly fake since as was said multiple times by now, it would be in his best intrests to tell people his house with his claim. Instead he kept delaying and delaying. Does this not seem strange? If his claim is true, scum has absolutely no reason to go after him. As I believed Leafsnail said, he could have simply failed to follow a scum-buddy's plan. As for flailing, scum can flail too. Yes, he is easy to emotionally crack (I did it in one of the private chats of elements 2, Ford has yet to post them in the thread), but that hardly makes him less scummy.
What lies are to be had there, and what would Cado gain from all that? I'm seeing a flailing [non-scum aligned] judging by how he built up his case, and someone who thinks too much on the notions at hand (and because it would be pretty amusing to see his plan in the scumchat going off like that..).
And that mean thing to Soli was him sitting on the sidelines making cat pictures. Because that's like a real blunt thing to say about him (and to disregard what he said and stuff).
As for Solifuge, he is clearly lurking. And if the pictures really take that long (the inital ones maybe, but he can just re-use pictures now) he should just drop it and post in a normal way.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 17, 2013, 07:45:46 pm
Spoiler: deathsword, this is for you (click to show/hide)
A. This has been an interesting game
B. Dariush is being lazy in an entirely different way.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 08:12:40 pm
Tiruin: Day ends in 1 hour 45 minutes from now.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 09:14:02 pm
*sigh* 1 hour left when i'm writing this. My scum picks of the day, Dariush. Second up, Deathsword. Third, ZU. Fourth, Toaster.
My role is exactly as claimed. I'm in house 11, I can't leave house 11, I leave the game when a town boy visits my house alone, They do not. I can inspect a single house every night to figure out how many are there.
There were 2 people in house seven last night. I have no idea who except that Tiruin has claimed owning house 7.
I have no idea what else to say, but my role name flip will show that i'm telling the truth... Atleast it should prove some of it.
Don't let Dariush, ZU, and Toaster get off easy, especially Dariush. Someone keep an eye on Tiruin, she always seems town to me but something just doesn't feel right. If Dariush flips town, I think Tiruin will be mafia. This also goes both ways.
Ford, find out if you can crash into an empty house just incase.
Post by: Tiruin on June 17, 2013, 09:58:38 pm
Tiruin: Day ends in 1 hour 45 minutes from now....Hooray, right in the time where I've enough time to check back. Go speedreading. Curse this.
Someone keep an eye on Tiruin, she always seems town to me but something just doesn't feel right. If Dariush flips town, I think Tiruin will be mafia. This also goes both ways.As always, I get the theoretical backhand. >_< But yeah, please do, because I'd be surprised if someone doesn't.
There were 2 people in house seven last night. I have no idea who except that Tiruin has claimed owning house 7.No, I claimed living in house 7, but not owning it (while I do). How do you know that I own it?
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 10:01:01 pm
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 10:01:39 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on June 17, 2013, 10:17:19 pm
Leafsnail: Okay, yet there is still a big problem with what your doing, regardless of my alignment. Your tunnelling me like Dariush is. Your aren't avoiding peoples questions (from what i can see) and your actually thinking about your case on me. I'm leaning-town on you for this, but if your convinced i'm scum, search for the others too.I guess that's true, although I'm thinking more and more that Dariush is scum too. This is mostly due to the way he's clearly attempting to aggravate Shinigami to the point where he can lynch him.
Post by: RangerCado on June 17, 2013, 10:19:46 pm
He's also used his anger to avoid answering questions. Actually, someone get him to answer all those questions from me and shinigami later.Leafsnail: Okay, yet there is still a big problem with what your doing, regardless of my alignment. Your tunnelling me like Dariush is. Your aren't avoiding peoples questions (from what i can see) and your actually thinking about your case on me. I'm leaning-town on you for this, but if your convinced i'm scum, search for the others too.I guess that's true, although I'm thinking more and more that Dariush is scum too. This is mostly due to the way he's clearly attempting to aggravate Shinigami to the point where he can lynch him.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 17, 2013, 10:21:50 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(4)Dariush - RangerCado, Shinigami_King, Notquitethere, Birdy51
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Phantom of the Library -
(0)Shinigami_King -
***(5)RangerCado - Toaster, Dariush, Deathsword, Leafsnail, Zombie Urist***
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Solifuge -
(0)Birdy51 -
(5)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, Solifuge, Tiruin
Votes have now been sealed. Ending Day post should be up sometime tomorrow since I'm not doing it tonight.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 18, 2013, 03:39:31 pm
"And what do you have to say for yourself, huh?!" A roar of students.
"I CAN'T STAY HERE ANYMORE." She shouted for the first time in her life and then promptly left (not after tripping on her sheet).
Hikikomori-san (third-party girl) has been expelled! House 11 has been evicted!
RangerCado has lost!
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Night 2 will last until Thursday 6/20 at 11 PM EST Send in your actions
*Ottofar has replaced Phantom of the Library*
EDIT:
I don't have everybody's night-actions. I'm PMing the offender(s). Also I didn't plan on Night 2 actually ending last night as I have stuff to do today. Night should end tonight if the offender(s) give me an action. Otherwise, people who don't send their night-action will default to 'none'.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 21, 2013, 04:15:41 pm
Ottofar-san (basically Phantom of the Library) as Princess-sama (third-party group girl) has been bullied away!
Solifuge-san as Maid-san (third-party group girl) follows Princess-sama in her footsteps!
Ottofar-san and Solifuge-san have lost! House 1 has been evicted!
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
But wait...one of the silhouettes has also changed!!!
Spoiler: Updated Battle Shounen (click to show/hide)
Day 3 has begun!
Day 3 will last until Wednesday 6/26 at 11 PM EST
I'M TIRED
Post by: notquitethere on June 21, 2013, 05:33:34 pm
"Phew, those girls weren't really loyal to the school so their absence won't be terribly missed. Tiruin-sama, Griffion-san, why didn't you use you suspension vote yesterday? How are you going to stop bullies with that attitude?"
Post by: Toaster on June 21, 2013, 08:19:17 pm
NQT: Where's that famous vote analysis of yours?
Post by: notquitethere on June 21, 2013, 08:38:58 pm
(Most of my posts including this one are either from work or from my phone, neither of which are conducive environments for compiling and analysing votes. Also the sheer number of 3rd parties in this game probably fuzzy up the normal patterns. Still, if I get time on a working computer...)
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 21, 2013, 09:19:35 pm
Dar, you have yet to properly respond to my case. Get to it.
I'll follow up with a post containing some content soon, until then I have to say, I think the female cat transformed into a guy...
Post by: zombie urist on June 21, 2013, 10:11:32 pm
"Phew, those girls weren't really loyal to the school so their absence won't be terribly missed.Can't tell if making joke about lurking...
Zombie- I said that referring to how I have a hard time maintaining interest and I lose focus when reading a lot of text.
A. This has been an interesting game
B. Dariush is being lazy in an entirely different way.
Huh. I don't see how this refers to how you have a hard time maintaining interest.QuoteI said earlier its gonna make things more annoying. Cover? Possibly. It'll have to be considered. Why are you asking multiple people the same question?Because there is a lot of us playing and I don't think I would be able to come up with creative questions for each of us. I though I already stated my reason -___- Also, I'm lazy~
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 21, 2013, 10:37:52 pm
and thisQuote-snip-I'm just lazy, lazy in life that is. So putting a tonne of effort into something and blindly rushing into the fray isn't really my style. In the latest BM I got aggressive fast because of Vector's techniques but I have gotten used to the different scumhunting methods used. My plan for finding scum will simply be looking for flaws in gameplay. The things that I pay attention to the most are either answers to my questions or attacks towards me so I tend to "OMGUS". It's not real OMGUSing because I see flaws in a persons gameplay, (meaning I'm not just going to go and say, "hey you vote me so I'll vote you") but I only see those flaws because they drew my attention in the first place.
Why're you lazy? Lazy to scumhunt, or formulate original questions? Lazy to communicate?
What's your plan in finding scum, Shinigami?
-snip-QuoteSo just enough questions that you get to show how town you are, but not so many that you crack under pressure, I see.Hopefully you understand what I meant when I addressed pressure earlier on. Also, when I say I'm lazy I kind of mean that I don't like reading large walls of text (thankfully, this hasn't happened much so far.). It just overwhelms me and I go brain dead. I like simple things, so having a bunch of questions from multiple people is about equivalent to a wall of text for me as well. I also tend to miss questions if there a tonne of them flying around so I like to be able to answer every question asked.
Sounds like you have something to hide.
These two quotes should give a bit of insight to day one's debate.
ZU- ::) On day one my laziness was a topic of much debate and I clarify exactly what I meant throughout the day. Since then I'm sure you have gotten to know me a bit better and you may understand even more so what I meant. The fact that you are attacking me on this old topic strikes me as a weak attempt to attack me purely based off of hypocrisy (which is dumb). It also shows me that you either didn't pay much attention early game or you simply don't care who you attack seeing as you are reusing this old argument acting like it's something creative.
If you are going to attack me, at least be creative or use something that actually matters. Unlike me being lazy or my hypocrisy. Both of these are natural human traits that will show from time to time in anyone.
Post by: Solifuge on June 21, 2013, 11:03:30 pm
Ottofar-san and Solifuge-san were nowhere to be found this morning. After calling their parents you realize they've moved to the other side of the world. As far away from here as possible. They have been bullied as well!!
Ottofar-san (basically Phantom of the Library) as Princess-sama (third-party group girl) has been bullied away!
Solifuge-san as Maid-san (third-party group girl) follows Princess-sama in her footsteps!
(http://i.imgur.com/L4EpM7I.png)~~RELEVANT LINK~~(http://i.imgur.com/ldV5qrs.png) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15979669/Game%20Over.html)
Spoiler: X_X (click to show/hide)
Post by: Solifuge on June 23, 2013, 10:47:52 am
((...guys?))
Post by: ToonyMan on June 23, 2013, 11:21:56 am
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(10)Not Voting: Giffion, Leafsnail, Captain Ford, Toaster, Tiruin, Dariush, Zombie Urist, Deathsword, Notquitethere, Birdy51
Day 3 will last until Wednesday 6/26 at 11 PM EST
EDIT:
It's the weekend I guess. I can tell you I've had five times as many PMs than there have been posts.
Post by: birdy51 on June 23, 2013, 11:38:49 am
Captain Ford: Tonight is when you fall grandly from the sky in a blaze of glory. This is the chance for us to turn this game around and kill a scum player. How can we help you with your descent?
Also, I did find that picture entertaining Solifuge. Poor kitty kitty...
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2013, 07:40:33 pm
I apologize for my own tardiness. It's been the weekend of one of our numerous country fairs and I've had some familial issues. Even this post is going to be a bit cut very short by it.This holds true for me, but replace familial issues with tons of workload from university >_<
Also, I did find that picture entertaining Solifuge. Poor kitty kitty...
Ford: Why the utter silence yesterday?
Solifuge: I'd love to wonder why you were silent yesterday...But I still love your art. :I
Toaster for the moment. Reasoning comes tonight. I'd want to prod him and ZU on their basis on voting Cado yesterday.
Anti-town, on Toaster's side. And pretty much an explanation on
*only because*.I am voting you only because the vote was tied and because you're much scummier than Dariush.
Also:I already posted my reasons. Dismissing it as "lazy" doesn't make them invalid.Doesn't match up. HOW.Yeah. Your claim doesn't match up to your actions at all, your reasons for not wanting to claim your house number doesn't make any sense, Dariush is totally not tunneling even though everyone says he is, the argument "you should also scumhunt other people" can apply to anyone, including yourself. Also your flavor-claim feels like total BS.
Reasons not wanting to claim. HOW.
Countering the argument on Dar's tunneling, HOW?
Flavor claim being total BS. HOW?!!?
You're brevity speaks your intent to lynch quickly without giving ANY explanation on HOW.
I will hit you with a shovel when this game ends.NQT arrives first at school and quietly address classmates as they arrive bleary-eyed in the morning."That was the time wherein I was in one of my contemplation activities. See, I'm busy reading, and reading. Reading on other things not related to the situation of bullying at the moment (RL), but then I had a break to sort it all out. I speedread the rest when Cado-san said the timer ticking down. A-
"Phew, those girls weren't really loyal to the school so their absence won't be terribly missed. Tiruin-sama, Griffion-san, why didn't you use you suspension vote yesterday? How are you going to stop bullies with that attitude?"
"Suspension vote means an Extend vote, right? I'm pretty sure I used it. If by that you mean 'Vote Dariush to tie the day', that was part of my contemplation.
"See, while I my read on Cado-san was purely confirmed third-party, I was curious about his antics earlier from two days ago (D1) and how he acted (D2). His pointedness dropped, and his issuance of who his role was was pretty much..intriguing. It wouldn't match the note of a serial killer, as I think that was already Vector-sama. It didn't match a lyncher-type role, as far as he said he 'needs' a town boy to stay with him for a night. Pretty much confused, actually, but the curiosity on the matter would still hold on the basis that we've got three bullies.
Five people voted for him, and I'm quite sure two of them are pretty much misled, or acting on grounds of being stupid. Or have a totally different viewpoint that they can't see the incredulosity of Cado-san's actions. No offense Cado, I know you left your tape recorder around here somewhere.
"And I'm pretty unsure what fact of my attitude you're poking at there, because that only details my attitude at that moment, and doesn't state what attitude it represents, or is characterized by."
Tiruin brings out a yellow book and flips it to the prologue.
"You need to make some basis on what to question by, like this book. See the introduction? It gives sense to the content."
PFP for later because arghgh busy.
...The more I look at Sol's bah post, the more I see how cute his drawing style is. >___<
Post by: Leafsnail on June 23, 2013, 08:47:35 pm
Dariush is still a pretty scummy, for reasons elaborated on yesterday. I really don't see any of his actions as scumhunting so much as trying to get people lynched.
@zombie urist: Do you have any scumreads? Why aren't you stating them?
Post by: Tiruin on June 23, 2013, 08:51:41 pm
Sorry about not posting, I keep putting it off and then not doing it and then putting it off again. Story of my life, really."Any reason why you're coming to class late?"
Post by: Captain Ford on June 23, 2013, 08:52:27 pm
Ford: Why the utter silence yesterday?Burn-out and real life anxieties got the better of me. I'm back now.
Toaster for the moment. Reasoning comes tonight. I'd want to prod him and ZU on their basis on voting Cado yesterday.Why Toaster and not, say, Leafsnail?
Anyways, I have answers to some questions.
- When I crash down, everyone will notice AND they'll all know which house I hit. (I was completely wrong on that point)
- The person who lives in the house will be evicted. No one else will be harmed, even if they are visiting that house at the time.
Captain Ford: Tonight is when you fall grandly from the sky in a blaze of glory. This is the chance for us to turn this game around and kill a scum player. How can we help you with your descent?This is indeed the night, but what makes my one-shot kill any better than the lynch?
As for how to help me, any information that would improve my odds of hitting scum is beneficial.
FIRST of all, if anyone has visited a house belonging to either of the two who were driven out by bullies and witnessed whoever pulled it off, you should speak up now.
SECOND, I would like to know who Leafsnail and Dariush visited (if anyone) and whose silhouettes they saw, as they're the ones I'm most suspicious of at this juncture.
If there's a cop out there who could point to a house and say there's DEFINITELY scum living there, that would, of course, be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT.
PPE: Leafsnail
Post by: griffinpup on June 24, 2013, 12:07:01 am
I’ll address this first shall I? Some small minute things first.If you haven't noticed, Town also has a huge incentive to know if his wincon is game ending. If it was, town would lose too. Knowing his house would theoretically help a mafia member by eliminating a house off of the potential townie house list, but it would also help a townie member to find out who's house is mafia's, and who's house isn't.QuoteSo how about you claim your house so that someone will be able to visit? :-/ Also, is your wincon game-ending? Do you leave the game?
When I first saw this I thought it was just a towny being suspicious but scum would have a huge reason to learn what house he lives in and if his ability is game ending. I think it was obvious that you didn’t plan on helping him at all in the first place so how would knowing any of this information help you. To me it looks like you are going for an easy lynch or you are just trying to siphon away some information to help yourself and your scumbuddies.
Quote
Moving on.Point obviously completely reliant on both Nerjin and Dariush being scum.QuoteSolifuge, are you planning to do anything that isn't contentless shitpictureposts today? Your 'main' post yesterday (#748) was basically defending Lenglon, stealing other people's reasons for voting Nerjin (those reason being stealing other people's reasons for votes) and FOSMGUSing me for... lurking? Seriously? That's the best case you've got after an entire day? (well, not counting your 'case' on Nerjin)What I want to point out here is not really your posturing towards Solifuge but the way you’re FOSing nerjin. “scum but less so”. first, you are scum or you are not. You can’t technically be “less so”. I feel like there is an almost general consensus that Nerjin is likely scum compared to silifuge who while has been playing poorly for sure, has not been giving off major scumtells. This portion of your post looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy”. You FOS and then forget. Seems legit.
Quote
Really? A lot of fluff? You are picking and choosing choice examples of Dariush's posts, while claiming to go through every single one.A lot of fluff so I’ll skip to this part.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
He explains a HUGE logical fallacy in RangerCado's thinking, something that you conveniently forget.
Quote
your reasons for "why he wouldn't want to claim his house" would be more valid if RangerCado ever agreed with them, or commented on them in any positive form whatsoever. He didn't. Therefore we can conclude that your guess of why he did what he did is wrong.QuoteEven though my read on you fell through the floor, I'm still going to give you one last chance to redeem yourself. Claim your house.
Did you seriously threaten him to just tell you his house number? That thing that you can use to kill him. Well, ranger’s reasons for not saying his house number are dumb due to the fact that we already agreed that scum wouldn’t target him but there are other reasons that I have already stated in posts before this one as to why he wouldn’t want to claim his house.
Quote
Here you are trying to pull the information out of him, and later as we will see soon, you attack him for claiming due to being hesitant. No matter what he would be guilty. Way to use that good old catch 22 on him there. No matter what, he is one screwed mafia player.It's my personal opinion that the fact that RangerCado yielded under pressure while not really changing his opinion is what really made him scummy.
Quote
QuoteIsn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?Lazy ass is being lazy. You are avoiding the area of trying to make “assumptions” because he is your scumbudy and you don’t want to put him in everyone’s line of focus. You’re also not posting anything here with significant content.
Of course it's a bit to early to make assumptions. HE HASN'T POSTED YET! He also answered your questions. What more content do you want?
Quote
Do you need a thorough examination of IG's three posts to understand why he was playing bad? I'd assume that was obvious. But again, your whole point is completely reliant on Nwejin AND Dariush being scum.Quote“Ahaha, good old Dariush, just being mean to everybody :P He is just acting natural and is a grump, now time for me to go pay attention to someone who isn't Dar~” Trying to look natural when attacking someone wile presenting no content… seeing as this is the replacement of your scumbuddy of course you would avoid starting a real case on them.Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitrightNQTNQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!Wow, you're stupid.
Why did we even let him into this game?...
Quote
Moving on.Do you disagree with anything specific in this post of his, or are you going to stick with interpreting the meaning posts without actually disagreeing with the content? You accuse him of calling Cado scum. How does this make him scummy? Note that his is the only complaint that you actually have about the CONTENT of this post.Well that escalated quickly. His response was dumb, no question about it, but you just go right in and say that he is scum. PLEASE! what I see is you saying, "hey! Cado looks weak, suspicious and dumb! Time to go pick on him and start an easy bandwagon because no one will ever notice! and when his role flip come and it's seen that he was actually telling the truth, who cares!? He wasn't a good player anyway! Pshaw~" that summarizes my point for this post. Next!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
WTF? If I understand this correctly, you're main complaint about this post of his is that he was irritated and he didn't quote the posts that prove him right. Then you give a rambling explanation of why Cado would raise the bar is if it makes Dariush scum for not automatically assuming that's what happened. Of course, your logic is flawed. If Cado's reasoning for raising the bar was that, he would of said so. He also wouldn't of changed his mind under pressure.He said in an irritated manner with nothing actually backing up what he is saying. Because you are scum, I'm sure you realize that at first it would be easy enough for you and your scumbuddies to say "show us" and Ranger would have to claim if he kept his promise. Instead he raised it so this would be less likely to happen.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Did you disagree with the bolded part? I don't care about a stupid coin. I don't even care if he's just being a jerk. I care about whether his statement is right or not.I feel like I have already gone over this so I think I'm just going say this. You are simply attacking him... not making a case, not even thinking through your entire posts. There are two sides to each coin and between the two sides, heads and tails, your arguments lean heavily to the rear end if you can gather what I'm throwing down here. B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. I think by using words like this you may be able to understand a little, eh, Daruish?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
Is bandwagoning a valid scumtell?
I found you, and still find you, scummy. This question was not purely random, it was using the current circumstances presented to me to try to see if you were hiding something, and to see if you would reveal any poor cover up strategies with your scumbuddy. Gathering everyone's oppinions of ford's and ranger's roles was important because if people start contradicting themselves something may be up. Currently I see that you are leading a bit of a bandwaggon against ranger.
Quote
Does having an inflated opinion of ones scumhunting ability make someone scummy? If not, I don't understand what place this paragraph has in this post.QuoteImperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.This question's purpose was to try to use the replacing player to "triangulate" whether Nerjin was scum or not. IG didn't play... as expected, so the question was null and void.QuoteEveryone- Not asking for WIFOM, just some insight from the public, does anyone here have an opinion that they would like to share about the night. (Nk's, questionable actions etc.)I think it is important to hear everyone's oppinions of what happened and how we should approach the day.QuoteBirdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.This is once again me attempting to "triangulate" their alignment. I do believe nerjin & accomplices are scum but continued pressure will likely yield greater results.QuoteDariush- I realize your a bit of a prickly cactus but you seem to change your votes more based on emotion, gut feeling and anger. Is this true? If so why, if not is there something you particularly find significant about your scumhunting?Your "perfect scumhunting" isn't as perfect as you claim. Don't get full of your self. Your scumhunting day one was practically the opposite of perfect. You cursed people out for colours and pictures and then didn't lead a compelling case for the person you wished to lynch (solifuge) in case you have forgotten already. If you were perfect there would be no reason for us to question you in the first place because your perfect scumhunting would put a flawless case in front of our noses.
OK. posting this tonight. I"m not sure if I missed anything, i'm pretty tired. I'll also probably finish responding to your post tomorrow.
PPE: EVERYONE
Post by: zombie urist on June 24, 2013, 01:19:40 am
Dariush is still a pretty scummy, for reasons elaborated on yesterday. I really don't see any of his actions as scumhunting so much as trying to get people lynched.Well this is incredibly lazy.
@zombie urist: Do you have any scumreads? Why aren't you stating them?Yes, didn't feel like it.
NQT
"Phew, those girls weren't really loyal to the school so their absence won't be terribly missed.Commenting on the night like this is scummy. Its in the same vein as saying something like "good thing the doctor protected the right person last night"
I'll get more posted tomorrow. I'm working on a super-top-secret programming project.
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2013, 01:33:21 am
...Dariush is still a pretty scummy, for reasons elaborated on yesterday. I really don't see any of his actions as scumhunting so much as trying to get people lynched.Well this is incredibly lazy.@zombie urist: Do you have any scumreads? Why aren't you stating them?Yes, didn't feel like it.
NQT"Phew, those girls weren't really loyal to the school so their absence won't be terribly missed.Commenting on the night like this is scummy. Its in the same vein as saying something like "good thing the doctor protected the right person last night"
I'll get more posted tomorrow. I'm working on a super-top-secret programming project.
Tiruin brings up Lenglon's tape recorder.
"Day 3, July. 9:32am. In which I get fully ignored by zombie urist.
"Day 3, wherein his post smells of suspicion. I'll be keeping an out on him."
Tiruin realizes her voice is loud enough for everyone to hear.
"What's so scummy about that comment? It does sound confusing (primarily the last part), but it doesn't ring scummy in any other way other than partial confusion. Or probably relief.
"What's with the comparison there? Also, blank comments. You're just giving your opinion with no follow up. What's up there? Pff..Lazy."
"I'm busy reading up, ma'am. Leafsnail is more..detailed in his posts. WHile he and I don't see eye-to-eye, Toaster's recent activity just screams of 'I want you gone' for reasons more pointed towards malevolent intentions than not. I'll get that info later. Just you wait.Toaster for the moment. Reasoning comes tonight. I'd want to prod him and ZU on their basis on voting Cado yesterday.Why Toaster and not, say, Leafsnail?
"While waiting, try some noodles I got. Also, why are you putting those two as your question there?
"...Why're you going to fall from the sky tonight yet you're with us in class today? Yes this is a serious question."
Post by: Dariush on June 24, 2013, 03:52:46 am
Dariush is still a pretty scummy, for reasons elaborated on yesterday. I really don't see any of his actions as scumhunting so much as trying to get people lynched.Haha seriously. You didn't address me a single time during the game and now you preemptively jump onto the yesterday's bandwagon without even specifying what those reasons are, knowing you'll be joined by fuckasses like shiteatingBirdy, Shitnigami and NQT who sucks so much I don't even need to modify his name in any way to express my disdain.
Birdy, your adopted grandfather Nerjin was one of the (if not the) scummiest people in the game, your adopted father IG was a mentally deficient imbecile and now you did one of the most shameless bandwagon jumps I've ever seen on this board. I can understand one guy being stupid (or even two, if one of them is IG), but three scumasses replacing each other is a bit too unlikely to be independent of alignment.
Post by: zombie urist on June 24, 2013, 11:03:33 am
Tiruin brings up Lenglon's tape recorder.What are you talking about? :-\ I'll respond to the other parts of this post later.
"Day 3, July. 9:32am. In which I get fully ignored by zombie urist.
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2013, 03:49:31 pm
Anyways, I have answers to some questions.
- When I crash down, everyone will notice AND they'll all know which house I hit. (I was completely wrong on that point)
- The person who lives in the house will be evicted. No one else will be harmed, even if they are visiting that house at the time.Captain Ford: Tonight is when you fall grandly from the sky in a blaze of glory. This is the chance for us to turn this game around and kill a scum player. How can we help you with your descent?This is indeed the night, but what makes my one-shot kill any better than the lynch?
As for how to help me, any information that would improve my odds of hitting scum is beneficial.
FIRST of all, if anyone has visited a house belonging to either of the two who were driven out by bullies and witnessed whoever pulled it off, you should speak up now.
SECOND, I would like to know who Leafsnail and Dariush visited (if anyone) and whose silhouettes they saw, as they're the ones I'm most suspicious of at this juncture.
If there's a cop out there who could point to a house and say there's DEFINITELY scum living there, that would, of course, be ABSOLUTELY PERFECT.
PPE: Leafsnail
I think you are undervaluing your ability. You replace who you evict. So, if you evict a bully, team scum has one player down and we gain a confirmed Townie in his place. That is not a bad deal at all. The only problem is steering into the right direction.
As for your other questions, I am afraid I cannot help you too much. I stayed home these last two days. I had a visitor on Night 1, but that was the extent of my excitement.
So many scumasses, so little time.Dariush is still a pretty scummy, for reasons elaborated on yesterday. I really don't see any of his actions as scumhunting so much as trying to get people lynched.Haha seriously. You didn't address me a single time during the game and now you preemptively jump onto the yesterday's bandwagon without even specifying what those reasons are, knowing you'll be joined by fuckasses like shiteatingBirdy, Shitnigami and NQT who sucks so much I don't even need to modify his name in any way to express my disdain.
Birdy, your adopted grandfather Nerjin was one of the (if not the) scummiest people in the game, your adopted father IG was a mentally deficient imbecile and now you did one of the most shameless bandwagon jumps I've ever seen on this board. I can understand one guy being stupid (or even two, if one of them is IG), but three scumasses replacing each other is a bit too unlikely to be independent of alignment.
You hit the nail on the head about the bandwagoning. It was entirely shameless.
As far as I am concerned, I would have been much happier to see you get lynched than RangerCado, so I joined the band. Why? Because I believed that he was telling the truth about being a third-party. I stated that fact and attempted to justify his flailing, only to be ignored.
Then, there was you. A player who has done little to add to the game outside of repeated insults against other players, tunneling, and a blatant disregard to the swearing policy, because "I'm Dariush".
So, that being my situation, what would you have had me do? Sit down, shut up, and look pretty? Hell no. If someone is going to be lynched, it may as well be a player who I consider to be scummy, as opposed to one that is innocent. This is all a simple matter of common sense.
Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
Post by: Teneb on June 24, 2013, 04:31:52 pm
Your comment about the night results (probably a modkill) seems forced. It looks like you are saying: "hey guys, I am totally playing this game, look at me add real things to the game!". So, are you going to play, scum, or will ou just lurk some more?
Post by: Toaster on June 24, 2013, 05:11:49 pm
Deathsword:
(probably a modkill)
And how do you know this, sir?
NQT: You are lurky as hell and totally noncommittal, though. Why don't you give us some suspects?
Birdy:
Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
So who do you trust?
Tiruin: (On missed question)
That's quite the narrow viewpoint you've got there, as well as the lack of definitives, Toaster. I take it you're not seeing my context on him when you accuse me of 'defending'? Explain how I would go out of my way to defend someone flailing like that, given your take on me.
Oh. No wonder I couldn't find it, because I did answer this:
My take on you is that you can spin endless wordy arguments when someone is running counter to your arguments, be it a lynch case on you or someone you don't want lynched. If you're putting that effort into Ranger, which is pretty much to the exclusion of everything else at this point, you REALLY don't want him lynched. It's gone beyond "I think he's town and therefore a mislynch" and into "he's my scumbuddy and I want to save him."
Since Ranger wasn't mafia, I have no idea why you wasted so much time defending him. Yes, it was a waste of time even if he wasn't mafia.
Though, I see my wording must've choked.QuoteI find it unrealistic, in any form or way, for someone to just puff out a claim like that out of thin airMeans that I'm against him being a lying liar (and thus, disbelieving everything he says) due to how absurd the plan seems to be. Why would scum make up such a claim as that, faff around with the numerical equivalent of 'Where am I' and then...get to that point?
I've learned that just because someone does something stupid doesn't mean you can rule them out as scum. Scum are not immune to derpy mistakes, and don't always plan well.
Quote
Confirmation bit
Then don't say he's confirmed if you don't mean it. Confirmed is a strong, meaningful word in this game.
I think that's addressed everything from you, but tell me if you disagree.
Post by: Teneb on June 24, 2013, 05:30:55 pm
Deathsword:They were both lurking for the entire game. Toonyman mentioned some people hadn't sent their actions. It's not hard to see that they were probably modkilled due to extreme inactivity.(probably a modkill)
And how do you know this, sir?
[/quote]
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2013, 06:27:23 pm
Birdy:Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
So who do you trust?
There are two players who I am willing to trust. Everyone else, I have either not had enough time to know their behaviour or I have a negative read on them.
Captain Ford is first player. The fact that he is a satellite that is going to come crashing down from sky, and the fact that he has a silhouette to back his story up feels very genuine to me.
The second player would be Tiruin. I believe her to be one of the town's strongest assets right now. She has a level head on her shoulders that doesn't lend itself well to bull crap. That's the kind of trait that I like to see.
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2013, 06:44:26 pm
birdy
Err, though I see your point there, that's just a claim. You can claim the satellite, and make up anything to come by it. Unless you've seen his silhouette in person.Birdy:Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
So who do you trust?
There are two players who I am willing to trust. Everyone else, I have either not had enough time to know their behaviour or I have a negative read on them.
Captain Ford is first player. The fact that he is a satellite that is going to come crashing down from sky, and the fact that he has a silhouette to back his story up feels very genuine to me.
Quote
The second player would be Tiruin. I believe her to be one of the town's strongest assets right now. She has a level head on her shoulders that doesn't lend itself well to bull crap. That's the kind of trait that I like to see....So you haven't seen the same traits in other players?
"You could've said so..."Tiruin brings up Lenglon's tape recorder.What are you talking about? :-\ I'll respond to the other parts of this post later.
"Day 3, July. 9:32am. In which I get fully ignored by zombie urist.
Post by: Toaster on June 24, 2013, 07:00:21 pm
Err, though I see your point there, that's just a claim. You can claim the satellite, and make up anything to come by it. Unless you've seen his silhouette in person.
If someone claimed your silhouette, would you counterclaim?
Deathsword:
Deathsword:They were both lurking for the entire game. Toonyman mentioned some people hadn't sent their actions. It's not hard to see that they were probably modkilled due to extreme inactivity.(probably a modkill)
And how do you know this, sir?
So? Given the modpost said
Ottofar-san (basically Phantom of the Library) as Princess-sama (third-party group girl) has been bullied away!
and
Solifuge-san as Maid-san (third-party group girl) follows Princess-sama in her footsteps!
...not modkilled, why would you think that?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 24, 2013, 07:24:11 pm
Also, I think it was deathsword, I don't think these were modkills. I'll elaborate later.
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2013, 07:33:35 pm
Tiruin:"That'd be quite a longshot for them, and they'd have to verify what I'm holding. Because when I took my school I.D. I was apparently holding something. Heh.Err, though I see your point there, that's just a claim. You can claim the satellite, and make up anything to come by it. Unless you've seen his silhouette in person.
If someone claimed your silhouette, would you counterclaim?
"Also, I think I've someone else who would back me up on..err, verifying myself. Because that person I can trust as I know my house isn't...how you say, 'compromised.'
"Why are you asking things about identification now?"
PFFFFFFFF-P :'(
"And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.
"Specifically to someone who isn't that notquitethere."
Post by: Leafsnail on June 24, 2013, 07:55:58 pm
SECOND, I would like to know who Leafsnail and Dariush visited (if anyone) and whose silhouettes they saw, as they're the ones I'm most suspicious of at this juncture.Why? This seems like a suspiciously specific and not very useful request.
Well this is incredibly lazy.Yeah, still true though.
Commenting on the night like this is scummy. Its in the same vein as saying something like "good thing the doctor protected the right person last night"Has this scumtell ever actually worked? I've generally found that mafia members are if anything more afraid to say stuff like this because of the tell.
Haha seriously. You didn't address me a single time during the game and now you preemptively jump onto the yesterday's bandwagon without even specifying what those reasons are, knowing you'll be joined by fuckasses like shiteatingBirdy, Shitnigami and NQT who sucks so much I don't even need to modify his name in any way to express my disdain.Yeah, this is exactly what I mean. You're being passive aggressive and criticizing a lot of players, but you aren't really making any relevant points on them. It's like you're just pressing on and talking past each one hoping that one of them will turn out to be a lynchable target, rather than making any serious attempt to discern alignments. Also you're repeatedly acting like being stupid is somehow correlated with being scum and it just isn't (although it's a lot easier to mislynch someone who is dumb).
Post by: zombie urist on June 24, 2013, 07:56:59 pm
"What's so scummy about that comment? It does sound confusing (primarily the last part), but it doesn't ring scummy in any other way other than partial confusion. Or probably relief.Its basically saying "I'm so glad no town died last night" which would only be said to make themselves look more towny. The comparison is there to show the similarity. Dunno what you mean about blank comments. There's not much I can do about follow up ATM since NQT hasn't been posting.
"What's with the comparison there? Also, blank comments. You're just giving your opinion with no follow up. What's up there? Pff..Lazy."
I think you are undervaluing your ability. You replace who you evict. So, if you evict a bully, team scum has one player down and we gain a confirmed Townie in his place.How would that make him confirmed town?
Griffinpup: Since no one's going to read that huge poorly formatted post, can you summarize what its about?
ppe'd Leafsnail.
Post by: Toaster on June 24, 2013, 07:59:20 pm
Tiruin:"That'd be quite a longshot for them, and they'd have to verify what I'm holding. Because when I took my school I.D. I was apparently holding something. Heh.Err, though I see your point there, that's just a claim. You can claim the satellite, and make up anything to come by it. Unless you've seen his silhouette in person.
If someone claimed your silhouette, would you counterclaim?
"Also, I think I've someone else who would back me up on..err, verifying myself. Because that person I can trust as I know my house isn't...how you say, 'compromised.'
"Why are you asking things about identification now?"
The point is there's a semblance of known roles in this game. If anyone tries to claim a silhouette that's not their own, someone else will immediately know.
PFFFFFFFF-P :'(
"And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.
"Specifically to someone who isn't that notquitethere."
Post by: zombie urist on June 24, 2013, 07:59:55 pm
In roguelike 6, Imperial Guardsman said something to the effect of "I don't know who killed LS but I thank you" and he was scum. Not quite the same, but I think its still valid.Commenting on the night like this is scummy. Its in the same vein as saying something like "good thing the doctor protected the right person last night"Has this scumtell ever actually worked? I've generally found that mafia members are if anything more afraid to say stuff like this because of the tell.
Post by: Toaster on June 24, 2013, 08:02:57 pm
Tiruin:
Tiruin:"That'd be quite a longshot for them, and they'd have to verify what I'm holding. Because when I took my school I.D. I was apparently holding something. Heh.Err, though I see your point there, that's just a claim. You can claim the satellite, and make up anything to come by it. Unless you've seen his silhouette in person.
If someone claimed your silhouette, would you counterclaim?
"Also, I think I've someone else who would back me up on..err, verifying myself. Because that person I can trust as I know my house isn't...how you say, 'compromised.'
"Why are you asking things about identification now?"
The point is there's a semblance of known roles in this game. If anyone tries to claim a silhouette that's not their own, someone else will immediately know.
"And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.
If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
Zombie Urist:
"What's so scummy about that comment? It does sound confusing (primarily the last part), but it doesn't ring scummy in any other way other than partial confusion. Or probably relief.Its basically saying "I'm so glad no town died last night" which would only be said to make themselves look more towny. The comparison is there to show the similarity. Dunno what you mean about blank comments. There's not much I can do about follow up ATM since NQT hasn't been posting.
"What's with the comparison there? Also, blank comments. You're just giving your opinion with no follow up. What's up there? Pff..Lazy."
There's plenty of other players to question. For example, what is your read on Shinigami?
Leaf: Who do you suspect besides Dariush?
Post by: Tiruin on June 24, 2013, 08:06:53 pm
"...What?!!?"And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.
If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
"You think there's a cult? Specifically, a cult? Where they do all those dagger-magic ritual thingies? Why so? I have my own explanation why I believe otherwise, but I'd like to know yours."
Pee-eff-pee
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2013, 08:26:13 pm
PFP - work got me yesterday, working now today on that Toaster post as well as pokes.
birdyErr, though I see your point there, that's just a claim. You can claim the satellite, and make up anything to come by it. Unless you've seen his silhouette in person.Birdy:Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
So who do you trust?
There are two players who I am willing to trust. Everyone else, I have either not had enough time to know their behaviour or I have a negative read on them.
Captain Ford is first player. The fact that he is a satellite that is going to come crashing down from sky, and the fact that he has a silhouette to back his story up feels very genuine to me.QuoteThe second player would be Tiruin. I believe her to be one of the town's strongest assets right now. She has a level head on her shoulders that doesn't lend itself well to bull crap. That's the kind of trait that I like to see....So you haven't seen the same traits in other players?
Captain Ford's satellite claim is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. His role will be verified by what happens tonight when someone wakes up to a satellite bursting through their roof.
As for point two, Griffinpup shows some of the same traits, most notably exhibited in his dissection of Shinigami King's argument. Incidentally, he also leans toward town for me as well. The only difference is that he has a tendency to be a bit more straightforward than you are.
I think you are undervaluing your ability. You replace who you evict. So, if you evict a bully, team scum has one player down and we gain a confirmed Townie in his place.How would that make him confirmed town?
Well, let's see here... We have a satellite. It is in space. We cannot lynch it, nor can it submit a vote for a lynch against it. Now, it stands to reason that if Captain Ford cannot even render a lynch vote, then he could not have been the one to bully our classmates. That's what I am basing the confirmed town claim on.
Post by: zombie urist on June 24, 2013, 08:50:38 pm
There's plenty of other players to question. For example, what is your read on Shinigami?Partly stupid, partly scummy.
Post by: birdy51 on June 24, 2013, 09:05:39 pm
He can be third party. He can also be mafia and not have access to the mafia-kill. He might be able to bully from space, despite not having a vote.
You've got me on the possibility of him being a third party. That is one dynamic that hasn't been explored yet. However, I am still not entirely set on the whole "bullies from space" business. That concept feels a bit absurd to me.
Post by: Toaster on June 24, 2013, 09:23:45 pm
"...What?!!?"And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.
If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
"You think there's a cult? Specifically, a cult? Where they do all those dagger-magic ritual thingies? Why so? I have my own explanation why I believe otherwise, but I'd like to know yours."
More specifically, I think there was a cult. PotL was the head, and Solifuge was a recruit. PotL got nightkilled, and Soli died with him. In a traditional cult, all the members die when the head goes. The reasoning comes 100% from that mod post I quoted- plus, the role name was "third party group."
Zombie U:
There's plenty of other players to question. For example, what is your read on Shinigami?Partly stupid, partly scummy.
Again, the terseman terseth.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: griffinpup on June 24, 2013, 10:42:10 pm
Griffinpup: Since no one's going to read that huge poorly formatted post, can you summarize what its about?You could just read it. It's not that big. It just looks that way because there's a lot of quotes. You can just skim those to see what the gist is, and then read my reply. It goes surprisingly fast. In fact, posting this question along with the time it takes me to write a reply and for you to read it is probably more inefficient then you just reading it.
But to summarize, since you asked oh so nicely, I pointed out why Shinigami's post going through every one of Dariush's posts was full of inaccuracy. He led you do believe that he covered every one of Dariush's posts thoroughly, but in fact picked and chose, conveniently forgetting or mislabeling Dariush's good posts while highlighting his bad ones. Some of his complaints about Dariush's posts were also written as if it made him scum just for disagreeing with Shinigami's logic. I see an OMGUS vote then an attempt to make it less OMGUS by pulling all of the things that could be seen scummy into one post while ignoring the good parts of said posts. Shinigami did make some good points however, although these are so strewn with indecipherable analogies that you can't really tell.
Hope this helps!
Post by: Dariush on June 25, 2013, 01:44:25 am
Yeah, this is exactly what I mean. You're being passive aggressive and criticizing a lot of players, but you aren't really making any relevant points on them. It's like you're just pressing on and talking past each one hoping that one of them will turn out to be a lynchable target, rather than making any serious attempt to discern alignments. Also you're repeatedly acting like being stupid is somehow correlated with being scum and it just isn't (although it's a lot easier to mislynch someone who is dumb).Sooo... I take it that admitted bandwagoning on Birdy's part is not a relevant point. The fact that Solifuge disappeared for an entire day after atrociously lurking on D1 isn't either. The same apparently goes for my case on Cado, whom you've voted with me on the same grounds. But a completely groundless case backed with empty unfalsifiable accusations is! And the fact that you didn't even once even hiccup in my direction about your perceived lack of relevant points in my cases doesn't matter!
You hit the nail on the head about the bandwagoning. It was entirely shameless.Oh seriously? SERIOUSLY? Your entire argument is that you voted someone just because they aren't a fucking cretin Cado who is a completely useless third party in the best case and similarly completely useless scum in the worst? And I have done 'little' to add to the game? That is your grounds for considering me scummy? So, not DS, whom I completely forgotten to even be in this game, not Solifuge, who didn't post a single time during D2, not NQT, not Cado himself, who didn't do anything at all except claim in the stupidest way possible and not even attempt to explain his actions, but me.
As far as I am concerned, I would have been much happier to see you get lynched than RangerCado, so I joined the band. Why? Because I believed that he was telling the truth about being a third-party. I stated that fact and attempted to justify his flailing, only to be ignored.
Then, there was you. A player who has done little to add to the game outside of repeated insults against other players, tunneling, and a blatant disregard to the swearing policy, because "I'm Dariush".
So, that being my situation, what would you have had me do? Sit down, shut up, and look pretty? Hell no. If someone is going to be lynched, it may as well be a player who I consider to be scummy, as opposed to one that is innocent. This is all a simple matter of common sense.
Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
Creatures like you just completely break my will to play. -_-
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2013, 06:33:20 am
Student #[NQT] wakes with a start from a sneaky snooze beneath a book.
"Oh! There were some things I wanted to say. POTL-san was Cool Boots-chan (the one I talked about yesterday) and lived in house 1. I was redirected there on night one.
"Miss Leafsnail-san, I went to your house last night and it was FUCKING TERRIFYING. Explanations please."
Post by: Toaster on June 25, 2013, 12:12:04 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2013, 12:46:28 pm
NQT: You are lurky as hell and totally noncommittal, though. Why don't you give us some suspects?"Well, Toaster-san, I think Leafsnail-san is, if not a bully, then a possibly-not-benign third-party, so there's that. More suspicions to follow as I step up my investigatory efforts!"
Commenting on the night like this is scummy. Its in the same vein as saying something like "good thing the doctor protected the right person last night""Duly noted Zombie-san. I might also point out that finding tiny bullshit things to vote people over is also scummy."
NQT, will you do the same thing you did the previous days, which is to add absolutely nothing to the game while people forget about you?"One thousand apologies Deathsword-san, I've been very busy with my homework recently but now I should be able to better attend to the bullying problem at this school. I've said what I've learned in my night time investigations and I think Leafsnail-san owes us some explanations for her very frightening house."
Post by: ToonyMan on June 25, 2013, 01:27:23 pm
(0)Griffion -
(1)Leafsnail - Notquitethere
(0)Captain Ford -
(1)Toaster - Tiruin
(0)Tiruin -
(2)Dariush - Shinigami_King, Leafsnail
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(1)Deathsword - Toaster
(2)Notquitethere - Zombie Urist, Deathsword
(1)Birdy51 - Dariush
(3)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Birdy51
Day 3 will last until Wednesday 6/26 at 11 PM EST
Post by: Captain Ford on June 25, 2013, 03:01:54 pm
Tiruin:
"I'm busy reading up, ma'am. Leafsnail is more..detailed in his posts. WHile he and I don't see eye-to-eye, Toaster's recent activity just screams of 'I want you gone' for reasons more pointed towards malevolent intentions than not. I'll get that info later. Just you wait.That's interesting, because I felt exactly the opposite way after reading through both their posts. Leafsnail's guilty of pretty heavy tunneling on both days so far, aside from potshots he took at Dariush.
"While waiting, try some noodles I got. Also, why are you putting those two as your question there?
"...Why're you going to fall from the sky tonight yet you're with us in class today? Yes this is a serious question."
Leafsnail:
1. Because if anyone saw you, they'd be able to verify your story.SECOND, I would like to know who Leafsnail and Dariush visited (if anyone) and whose silhouettes they saw, as they're the ones I'm most suspicious of at this juncture.Why? This seems like a suspiciously specific and not very useful request.
2. Because if you were at either of the victim's houses (Phantom or Vector), you're a suspect.
3. Because if you say you weren't at either of the victim's houses, someone might be able to contradict that.
4. Because it denies you the chance to come up with a lie later on down the road.
Although now I'm only interested in you and not Dariush.
Your scumhunting this game has been particularly terrible. You may have talked to the people you were voting for a lot, but there was no attempt on your part to push for more information. Once you'd landed your vote on them, you just spent your time explaining why you were voting them and further fortifying your case.
Blaming Lenglon for trying to tie up the vote when she had asked questions trying to figure out whether or not to do so and had not been given advice on the matter is particularly bad, especially since you didn't offer any advice of your own until AFTERWARDS, even though you were available at the time.
What you did to Ranger was worse, though. You basically voted to lynch him because he was confused about whether or not revealing his house number was a good idea or not.
I'm pretty much totally convinced you're scum at this point.
Toaster:
It's not a cult. They were sharing a house."And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
Birdy51/zombie urist/various:
It would be incredibly overpowered for me to be able to bully people from space for two nights with no risk of being lynched. That would essentially allow me to waste three days of the town's time. Even if you caught me on the first night, there's nothing you'd be able to do about it.He can be third party. He can also be mafia and not have access to the mafia-kill. He might be able to bully from space, despite not having a vote.You've got me on the possibility of him being a third party. That is one dynamic that hasn't been explored yet. However, I am still not entirely set on the whole "bullies from space" business. That concept feels a bit absurd to me.
Also, there's the part where if I'm scum, then my D3 ability is a bonus scum kill, and I'd have the scumteam to give me information about where to strike. Really, nothing about my role makes much sense if I'm scum.
I'm not third party, but I almost certainly am (or was) a target for somebody else's wincon.
notquitethere:
Small ClaimsInteresting Note: The fact that you didn't see Solifuge there means he visited someone else's house on Night 1. I wonder if anyone saw him(her).
Student #[NQT] wakes with a start from a sneaky snooze beneath a book.
"Oh! There were some things I wanted to say. POTL-san was Cool Boots-chan (the one I talked about yesterday) and lived in house 1. I was redirected there on night one.
"Miss Leafsnail-san, I went to your house last night and it was FUCKING TERRIFYING. Explanations please."I am now even more convinced that Leafsnail is scum. (I still don't have a vote)
FYI, if he doesn't get lynched or give a satisfactory explanation by the end of the day, give me his house number and I'll take him down tonight.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 25, 2013, 03:52:29 pm
"Miss Leafsnail-san, I went to your house last night and it was FUCKING TERRIFYING. Explanations please."I have no idea at all. I can't see how my role would correlate with having a scary house - I'm a Class Rep. Unless your character regards piles of books and work and stuff as scary, maybe?
1. Because if anyone saw you, they'd be able to verify your story.It would also allow mafia members to better fake their claims and target their kills later, and this outweighs those four points otherwise we'd all be claiming. I'd be prepared to reveal that information if a majority of players wanted me to, but there's really not much of a reason at all to respond to a single person asking for information (when they might want it purely for bad reasons).
2. Because if you were at either of the victim's houses (Phantom or Vector), you're a suspect.
3. Because if you say you weren't at either of the victim's houses, someone might be able to contradict that.
4. Because it denies you the chance to come up with a lie later on down the road.
Your scumhunting this game has been particularly terrible. You may have talked to the people you were voting for a lot, but there was no attempt on your part to push for more information. Once you'd landed your vote on them, you just spent your time explaining why you were voting them and further fortifying your case.I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. I made my reasoning for voting clear and engaged with the people I was voting.
Blaming Lenglon for trying to tie up the vote when she had asked questions trying to figure out whether or not to do so and had not been given advice on the matter is particularly bad, especially since you didn't offer any advice of your own until AFTERWARDS, even though you were available at the time.Can you state exactly what you mean here? Unless you're referring to a different post than what I think you are, I wasn't available to respond to that one. If I was I would have responded to it.
What you did to Ranger was worse, though. You basically voted to lynch him because he was confused about whether or not revealing his house number was a good idea or not.Ranger was non-town and I stand by yesterday's lynch. You should only allow a claimed third party to survive if you a) find their claim believable and b) are sure they are prepared to work with the town. His actions took away both of those, and I still don't really think that either of them were the case.
Sooo... I take it that admitted bandwagoning on Birdy's part is not a relevant point. The fact that Solifuge disappeared for an entire day after atrociously lurking on D1 isn't either. The same apparently goes for my case on Cado, whom you've voted with me on the same grounds. But a completely groundless case backed with empty unfalsifiable accusations is! And the fact that you didn't even once even hiccup in my direction about your perceived lack of relevant points in my cases doesn't matter!I have in the past pointed out I thought your repeated insults and bluster bullshit attempts at mislynches rather than serious attempts to find scum. I guess the Cado thing was different, but I believe that Cado was an anti-town player from another faction to you, so you could make a genuine case on him.
To be fair though, I suppose I may have stated my view poorly. You start from one kindof tenuous point, then instead of developing it you just sortof berate that player constantly in order to try and wind them up in the hope that you'll get them angry enough to say dumb things and be easier to mislynch. The "admitted bandwagoning" from birdy is a much weaker tell than you seem to think it is, considering he seems to be using a different definition to normal.
Post by: Tiruin on June 25, 2013, 04:37:16 pm
Extend.
"...Right, something scary. Something to ponder.""Miss Leafsnail-san, I went to your house last night and it was FUCKING TERRIFYING. Explanations please."I have no idea at all. I can't see how my role would correlate with having a scary house - I'm a Class Rep. Unless your character regards piles of books and work and stuff as scary, maybe?
NQT
Small Claims"Strange. Terrifying for you, enough to swear out loud. I hate swearing.
Student #[NQT] wakes with a start from a sneaky snooze beneath a book.
"Oh! There were some things I wanted to say. POTL-san was Cool Boots-chan (the one I talked about yesterday) and lived in house 1. I was redirected there on night one.
"Miss Leafsnail-san, I went to your house last night and it was FUCKING TERRIFYING. Explanations please."
"Seemingly, compared to what you said at the start of Day 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4338587#msg4338587), something of this sort doesn't classify on 'small' claims, or preferably when someone sees something terrifying, it's a bad thing.
"What's up with that, NQT? What were your initial questions for? Why're you delaying until now to give said 'small claims' when you know as much about Leafsnail and that (she) has a terrifying house?
"Anything else backing up that?"
Back to Toaster.
Continued from this post, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4328410#msg4328410) his notation on Cado seems based purely on the idea that he's scum--explicitly, mafia scum--and now that it flipped non-scum, he's going all clear on that as far as I see. Drop in aggression or assertion, and some strange questions floating about (I've to poke you on that silhouette thing..why're you asking me that one again? Your intention, please.).
Next..that whole ramble on defending and chainsawing. Those grounds were mostly opinionated, and lacking in context quoting. I note that you said and noted something appealing to my observations rather than give your own:
(in which I still can't get the [1], but it's obvious you missed the bolded part quite apparently).The hesitation seems to be the defining characteristic of most cases on him. Next is, you advocate a lynch on Ranger yet all I see in your past posts is a facade of aggression, along with the obstinacy of an opinion--something you're not backing up given how you word it. You're quite convinced: Why? What posts led you there?
Why do I need to quote something that bloody obvious? Hell, you admit you see it as well? [1]
Why were you being so elusive around Cado?
Ford:
FYI, if he doesn't get lynched or give a satisfactory explanation by the end of the day, give me his house number and I'll take him down tonight."...Take him down? Won't you just evict someone? Also, it's pretty amusing on how I imagine you're going to somehow float up in the sky right after class..because that's quite strange, really.
"Next, you're finding that as reasonable grounds for voting Leafy while not asking his pursuer?"
Post by: Tiruin on June 25, 2013, 04:46:30 pm
I feel like I'm missing things on Toaster...ergh.
Tiruin:That could also mean some kind of thing like a follower and a leader. Princess and Maid. It would be pretty ugly if there was a cult, 3 bullies, and an SK (presumed Vector, but I doubt it was an SK judging by the meaning of Yandere). Oh, and third-party others."...What?!!?"And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.
If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
"You think there's a cult? Specifically, a cult? Where they do all those dagger-magic ritual thingies? Why so? I have my own explanation why I believe otherwise, but I'd like to know yours."
More specifically, I think there was a cult. PotL was the head, and Solifuge was a recruit. PotL got nightkilled, and Soli died with him. In a traditional cult, all the members die when the head goes. The reasoning comes 100% from that mod post I quoted- plus, the role name was "third party group."
FYI, if he doesn't get lynched or give a satisfactory explanation by the end of the day, give me his house number and I'll take him down tonight.Adding on Ford:
...You take NQT's claim in face value like that, enough to strike h-..wait, you know where his house is?
My view on this game is shifting, so a reread is required.Shifting how?
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2013, 04:52:52 pm
"Leafsnail-san, I'm willing to admit the possibility that someone else was being scary to your house (though I saw no one there) but it is very odd. Convince me there's a better case on Dariush-yogisha."
Post by: Tiruin on June 25, 2013, 05:01:24 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 25, 2013, 07:33:10 pm
Post by: zombie urist on June 25, 2013, 08:44:58 pm
It would be incredibly overpowered for me to be able to bully people from space for two nights with no risk of being lynched. That would essentially allow me to waste three days of the town's time. Even if you caught me on the first night, there's nothing you'd be able to do about it.Someone's being defensive. 3 scum / 16 players is kinda low. Plus there's already 4 flipped third parties. Explain the bolded part please.
Also, there's the part where if I'm scum, then my D3 ability is a bonus scum kill, and I'd have the scumteam to give me information about where to strike. Really, nothing about my role makes much sense if I'm scum.
I'm not third party, but I almost certainly am (or was) a target for somebody else's wincon.
"Leafsnail-san, I'm willing to admit the possibility that someone else was being scary to your house (though I saw no one there) but it is very odd. Convince me there's a better case on Dariush-yogisha."Why are you setting up a one-or-the-other situation?
The real scumhuntings in the details. Its also a valid tell and your efforts to dismiss it are obvious.Commenting on the night like this is scummy. Its in the same vein as saying something like "good thing the doctor protected the right person last night""Duly noted Zombie-san. I might also point out that finding tiny bullshit things to vote people over is also scummy."
"You want the truth? I heard insane ravings, someone screaming repeatedly that they can't count up to four. I passed out in fear and awoke feeling lucky to be alive. That's how frightening. For all I know it was you!"Why didn't you claim this part earlier? What do you think about LS' counterclaim?
Post by: Toaster on June 25, 2013, 08:49:24 pm
Toaster:It's not a cult. They were sharing a house."And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
What makes you say this? From the flavor, I don't see this conclusion at all.
I'm not third party, but I almost certainly am (or was) a target for somebody else's wincon.
You've already claimed a lot- why not claim enough to define this?
Let me just ask you this bluntly- do you currently have a wincon at all?
NQT: This vote is staying until you actually contribute. This "post" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4348236#msg4348236) doesn't count at all.
Leaf: If you say NQT is lying, why do you not find that voteworthy?
Tiruin:
Why were you being so elusive around Cado?
Don't strawman me. Calling my opinion on Cado elusive is a pile of crap and you know it. He was claimed non-town. I suspected he was mafia. I was incorrect, but I don't regret his lynch at all. Is that straightforward enough for you?
Next..that whole ramble on defending and chainsawing. Those grounds were mostly opinionated, and lacking in context quoting. I note that you said and noted something appealing to my observations rather than give your own:(in which I still can't get the [1], but it's obvious you missed the bolded part quite apparently).The hesitation seems to be the defining characteristic of most cases on him. Next is, you advocate a lynch on Ranger yet all I see in your past posts is a facade of aggression, along with the obstinacy of an opinion--something you're not backing up given how you word it. You're quite convinced: Why? What posts led you there?
Why do I need to quote something that bloody obvious? Hell, you admit you see it as well? [1]
What? Are you even reading my posts? The [1] is a footnote which you appear to have completely missed. Allow me to quote it for you, straight from that same post:
[1] Since I know you won't drop it until I quote the obvious for you, here:
I've said many times in many games before that dribbling out a claim rather than putting it all out in one piece is scummy. Ranger executes the dribble claim here:Spoiler: Spoilered claim- note each quote is a separate post by him (click to show/hide)
Five posts to dribble out a claim, and that's before the house number nonsense. That's way too long to do a claim.
Speaking of house number nonsense...Spoiler: Spolied again- note these posts are chronological order (click to show/hide)
If that doesn't set your scumdar ablaze, it's time to get it recalibrated. Or replaced. Or it doesn't matter because you're his scumbuddy, one of the above.
Do I need to draw you a picture?
My view on this game is shifting, so a reread is required.Shifting how?
I'm shocked he flipped non-mafia. I was fully prepared to hang you next, but without the association with Ranger, you drop from "Obvscum" to "Wasting time defending a non-town pointlessly." That's dumb, but not really scummy.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 25, 2013, 09:08:18 pm
"Leafsnail-san, I'm willing to admit the possibility that someone else was being scary to your house (though I saw no one there) but it is very odd. Convince me there's a better case on Dariush-yogisha."I'm honestly pretty baffled by this whole spooky house thing. I've already stated my reasons for voting Dariush, if you have any specific point of that you'd like to question me on then be my guest.
Leaf: If you say NQT is lying, why do you not find that voteworthy?I don't really see why someone would lie in that way. If he wanted to get me lynched he could claim an actual inspection rather than a vague flavoury thing, and I'm struggling to see why someone would wholly fabricate a claim like that. It seems more likely that he's misinterpreting the flavour in a weird way.
"You want the truth? I heard insane ravings, someone screaming repeatedly that they can't count up to four. I passed out in fear and awoke feeling lucky to be alive. That's how frightening. For all I know it was you!"I wasn't at my house last night, so I'm not really sure what could've been happening there.
Post by: birdy51 on June 25, 2013, 09:17:03 pm
You hit the nail on the head about the bandwagoning. It was entirely shameless.Oh seriously? SERIOUSLY? Your entire argument is that you voted someone just because they aren't a fucking cretin Cado who is a completely useless third party in the best case and similarly completely useless scum in the worst? And I have done 'little' to add to the game? That is your grounds for considering me scummy? So, not DS, whom I completely forgotten to even be in this game, not Solifuge, who didn't post a single time during D2, not NQT, not Cado himself, who didn't do anything at all except claim in the stupidest way possible and not even attempt to explain his actions, but me.
As far as I am concerned, I would have been much happier to see you get lynched than RangerCado, so I joined the band. Why? Because I believed that he was telling the truth about being a third-party. I stated that fact and attempted to justify his flailing, only to be ignored.
Then, there was you. A player who has done little to add to the game outside of repeated insults against other players, tunneling, and a blatant disregard to the swearing policy, because "I'm Dariush".
So, that being my situation, what would you have had me do? Sit down, shut up, and look pretty? Hell no. If someone is going to be lynched, it may as well be a player who I consider to be scummy, as opposed to one that is innocent. This is all a simple matter of common sense.
Keep who trust, lynch who you cannot trust.
Creatures like you just completely break my will to play. -_-
Here are the facts. I don't trust you or your style of play. You were the next available candidate. As opposed to simply lynching a third party, my intention was to lynch you, on the grounds of what I consider to be scummy behavior.
As for everything else, I have already mentioned that I believed Ranger's claim. On the note of Solifuge and Deathsword, I have not yet developed a taste for attacking lurkers. I don't like the idea of accusing a player of being scum when he might not be able to protect himself. Solifuge's absence could be an exception to that rule, as you pointed out he was active in other threads. NQT's behavior is unorthodox. I need to read further in on him.
Anything else you wish to ask?
A final note to everyone.
I will be gone starting on Thursday and I will be returning on Sunday. Feel free to direct questions towards me, even during the break. I shall endeavor to answer them promptly on my return.
What time I do have left between packing and other such things will be sent rereading the thread and compiling reads. I have been dangerously focused on what is in front of my nose, and I need to get some perspective on the bigger picture.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 25, 2013, 10:56:10 pm
I will give some input as to the fact that, though leafsnail has not been my main focus this game, I have not seen her (I think her) as a scummy player when compared to nerjin and dariush. NQT has acted suspicious but I haven't been paying too much attention to him either.
Post by: Teneb on June 26, 2013, 09:45:56 am
NQT: Why were you at Leafsnail's house in the first place? Also, did you see any silhouettes? If so, could you indicate which?
Post by: notquitethere on June 26, 2013, 11:12:16 am
"I'm not setting up a one or the other situation: I was asking Leafsnail-san why I should consider Dariush-yogisha a more likely target. I think Leafsnail-san might be telling the truth, it's quite possible. I gave fuller details when fuller details were asked. Is there a problem with co-operating with my fellow schoolmates?"
Toaster-san
"I'm responding to queries and asking new questions. Now I have a bit more time I'll continue to do so."
Leafsnail-san
"I think your response seems more earnest than if you'd obviously made up a nonsense response about the spooky house. It's possible that someone else arrived at the house but their silhouette was obscured."
Deathsword-san
"I was investigating houses in a methodical manner, using the fullest of my powers to hunt for bullies. Just happened it was Leafnail-san's house I wandered into. I saw no silhouettes, but Toony-senpai has just clarified for me that I actually ran home in a terrified state before passing out, so it's possible that someone came as I left. Are you trying to imply that you stayed at home last night?"
Post by: zombie urist on June 26, 2013, 12:06:37 pm
ZU-sanSo you're asking LS to give you a case on Dariush? As far as I can see, you've never had a good reason for voting Dariush.
"I'm not setting up a one or the other situation: I was asking Leafsnail-san why I should consider Dariush-yogisha a more likely target. I think Leafsnail-san might be telling the truth, it's quite possible. I gave fuller details when fuller details were asked. Is there a problem with co-operating with my fellow schoolmates?"
Post by: notquitethere on June 26, 2013, 12:52:17 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 26, 2013, 02:06:04 pm
(0)Griffion -
(1)Leafsnail - Notquitethere
(0)Captain Ford -
(1)Toaster - Tiruin
(0)Tiruin -
(2)Dariush - Shinigami_King, Leafsnail
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(0)Deathsword -
(3)Notquitethere - Zombie Urist, Deathsword, Toaster
(1)Birdy51 - Dariush
(3)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Birdy51
Tiruin and Shinigami_King have requested an extension. If four more people request an extend then the Day will have 48 hours added.
Day 3 will last until Wednesday 6/26 at 11 PM EST
Post by: Tiruin on June 26, 2013, 04:03:37 pm
(3)Notquitethere - Zombie Urist, Deathsword, Toaster"Those are some very weak cases for a lynch.
NQT: This vote is staying until you actually contribute. This "post" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4348236#msg4348236) doesn't count at all."Actually staying until he 'contributes.' Contributes, what? Have you seen him skirt around the time of our classes doing nothing, or are you just jumping on another man's throat for pretty much a blank reason only to be implied by the state of contribution?"[/color]
Quote
Don't strawman me. Calling my opinion on Cado elusive is a pile of crap and you know it. He was claimed non-town. I suspected he was mafia. I was incorrect, but I don't regret his lynch at all. Is that straightforward enough for you?"Now who's defensive here, huh? My intention was never to strawman, but to give what I saw on it. It's pretty much obvious that when someone says it's 'elusive', that doesn't mean that it takes it wholly as something for being disregarded. You telling me it's something you see, and saying I know it is something to note, because it would be stupid for me to call it out and know it--sadly, that's your PoV, mister.
"You suspected he was mafia, on what basis? I stated it was elusive due to your points on Cado's case. Your points were outlined, and you being defensive really tips me off that they weren't as sincere as I first thought."
Your notes on him being anti-town along with what you accuse him of (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4327517#msg4327517) are evident in the way on how you define him without giving him any say on those points.
I'm unsure if I typed this out before, but the list that you spoilered was purely on him not wanting to claim his house #, and it was clarified by the reason of 'scum will target me.' That makes a lot more sense when you can't leave your house, huh.
And now we're somehow going on NQT, for oblivious reasons again? Those who're hunting him aren't even extending, because I can't see how NQT is scum based on..well, just what he posted during D3. Same on the previous days (but with a minor lacking difference of conversation..).
He saw a terrifying thing, which is vague in a way that really doesn't come off as insensible, or just blankly accusing.
Anyway, back here.
[1] Since I know you won't drop it until I quote the obvious for you, here:
I've said many times in many games before that dribbling out a claim rather than putting it all out in one piece is scummy. Ranger executes the dribble claim here:Spoiler: Spoilered claim- note each quote is a separate post by him (click to show/hide)
Five posts to dribble out a claim, and that's before the house number nonsense. That's way too long to do a claim.
Speaking of house number nonsense...Spoiler: Spolied again- note these posts are chronological order (click to show/hide)
If that doesn't set your scumdar ablaze, it's time to get it recalibrated. Or replaced. Or it doesn't matter because you're his scumbuddy, one of the above.
Do I need to draw you a picture?
[/quote]I believe you really need to. Because I'm not seeing the difference in viewpoints here judging by the reluctance on house # claiming based purely on the simpler case of 'so I can wincon.'
Which was a crucial part of your case, right?
General
Deathsword-sanI've clarified with Toony that movement is the first thing before any actions taken. Then redirects. Then movement interrupting people. Then most other actions.
"I was investigating houses in a methodical manner, using the fullest of my powers to hunt for bullies. Just happened it was Leafnail-san's house I wandered into. I saw no silhouettes, but Toony-senpai has just clarified for me that I actually ran home in a terrified state before passing out, so it's possible that someone came as I left. Are you trying to imply that you stayed at home last night?"
...With commentary that 'probably' is attached to everything else after movement being the first thing, like from 'always movement first' to 'and then probably redirect targeting the movements.'
ZU: "Same applies to you. Your case on Ranger was nothing but 'he's scummier than Dariush' without explaining how. You said that You'd respond to my questions. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4345114#msg4345114) You respond to the another set of questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4346467#msg4346467) Something which wasn't in the SAME post which is intended to be answered, denoted by the 'ignore' part which I see is a subtle way or wording around my questions stated A few bits above it (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4343825#msg4343825).
NQT I stayed in my house last night to work on my ability. You're quite sure you visited Leafsnail's house right? This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4349238#msg4349238) lacks other details, but I'm curious about why you'd only claim at that time and not before. More questions: Why'd you label your claim post as 'small', and what else I say here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4348881#msg4348881)
Argh schoolwork. Hard to even latch onto this thread. I know I'm missing details here. >_>
Also, it's Wednesday here. Ugh. Timezones.
Post by: Tiruin on June 26, 2013, 04:07:45 pm
NQT can you clarify what you meant here? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4327483#msg4327483) 'One thing we can be sure of'?
Also on those Small Claims. Why did you claim only then?
Post by: Tiruin on June 26, 2013, 04:11:08 pm
NQT here, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4348922#msg4348922) you're acknowledging a possibility. But in a very weird way.
Quote
I'm willing to admit the possibility that someone else was being scary to your house (though I saw no one there) but it is very odd. Convince me there's a better case on Dariush-yogisha."...And it seems funny to me in a grammatical way >_<
"Someone else was being scary..to your house. Uh.
"Why're you asking him to convince you, though? Isn't that part of your own job?"
On that note, I'd like honest views from everyone. I'm wondering if most of the female-roles here are third-party compared to males.
Post by: griffinpup on June 26, 2013, 05:26:49 pm
On that note, I'd like honest views from everyone. I'm wondering if most of the female-roles here are third-party compared to males.You want people to both claim their sex and whether they're third party or not?
Post by: Tiruin on June 26, 2013, 05:37:39 pm
Post by: notquitethere on June 26, 2013, 07:08:11 pm
Post by: Captain Ford on June 26, 2013, 07:29:53 pm
Shinigami_King:
extend. Sorry everyone.YOU NEED TO BOLD THIS.
Toaster:
It's not a cult. They were sharing a house.What makes you say this? From the flavor, I don't see this conclusion at all.
Maybe because we are down 5 players but only 4 houses? Or maybe it could be:
Ottofar-san and Solifuge-san have lost! House 1 has been evicted!
If it were a cult, then an additional house would have been closed when Solifuge was recruited, or when he lost. Neither happened, so the obvious conclusion is that they shared that house from the beginning.
I'm talking about cosmetic stuff like my hair color, gender, etc. Something about me definitely sets me apart.I'm not third party, but I almost certainly am (or was) a target for somebody else's wincon.You've already claimed a lot- why not claim enough to define this?
Sue me, but I'm not all that eager to help third parties find their targets.
Let me just ask you this bluntly- do you currently have a wincon at all?Yes. I win when the "mafia" are kicked out of school or no longer a problem.
Post by: notquitethere on June 26, 2013, 08:48:27 pm
"I thought, rightly, that Ranger-kun was telling the truth because a bully would never make such a claim and there was no logical reason anyone else would say something of the sort unless there was some truth in it.
"Also, extend."
Post by: griffinpup on June 26, 2013, 09:13:57 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on June 26, 2013, 09:18:26 pm
Leafsnail-sanI guess. It may also be possible for some people to act without leaving their house, as Cado claimed to be able to do.
"I think your response seems more earnest than if you'd obviously made up a nonsense response about the spooky house. It's possible that someone else arrived at the house but their silhouette was obscured."
Extend - I have not had nearly enough time to devote to this and I have no further time to do so tonight.
Shinigami_King:extend. Sorry everyone.YOU NEED TO BOLD THIS.
Toaster:It's not a cult. They were sharing a house.What makes you say this? From the flavor, I don't see this conclusion at all.
Maybe because we are down 5 players but only 4 houses? Or maybe it could be:I'm talking about cosmetic stuff like my hair color, gender, etc. Something about me definitely sets me apart.That sounds like ToonyMan making a joke about visual genre conventions
Sue me, but I'm not all that eager to help third parties find their targets.
Post by: Teneb on June 26, 2013, 09:51:22 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 26, 2013, 10:21:36 pm
Captain Ford:
Toaster:It's not a cult. They were sharing a house.What makes you say this? From the flavor, I don't see this conclusion at all.
Maybe because we are down 5 players but only 4 houses? Or maybe it could be:Ottofar-san and Solifuge-san have lost! House 1 has been evicted!
If it were a cult, then an additional house would have been closed when Solifuge was recruited, or when he lost. Neither happened, so the obvious conclusion is that they shared that house from the beginning.
Alternately, Solifuge moved in... but why wouldn't Soli's old house have emptied? Hmm.
Toony: Is it possible that there is an empty house that is not closed for whatever reason?
I'm talking about cosmetic stuff like my hair color, gender, etc. Something about me definitely sets me apart.I'm not third party, but I almost certainly am (or was) a target for somebody else's wincon.You've already claimed a lot- why not claim enough to define this?
Sue me, but I'm not all that eager to help third parties find their targets.
???
I don't get it, but fair enough if you don't want to claim further.
Let me just ask you this bluntly- do you currently have a wincon at all?Yes. I win when the "mafia" are kicked out of school or no longer a problem.
Okay.
Tiruin: I simply do not have the patience tonight to deal with you. In the morning.
NQT:
"First things first: Dariush-yogisha, so I don't get instalynched because three people can't spot when people obviously aren't bullies. Tiruin-sama, I'll get to you in a second."
This is one of the worst defenses I've seen. I mean the underlined bit, not the vote.
Post by: Dariush on June 27, 2013, 01:33:38 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2013, 05:47:11 am
"Dariush-yogisha, I think saving a known non-bully is a very good reason to bandwagon, but I can understand your lack of sympathy on this point."
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2013, 05:53:32 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2013, 06:30:20 am
"Ford-san! Just spotted this reading back through class transcripts... I was there in house 1 and I saw only evidence that it was Phantom-san's house. It's possible that Soli-chan was living like a cat out on the street (perhaps gazing lovingly through the window?) or she was just rooming at Phantom-san's house, either way, I don't think they were a cult, more like lovers."It's not a cult. They were sharing a house."And to note on that death thing..it seems like Soli-san is tied to Phantom-san. He followed her, if you'd note the last declaration by our principal...But I'd really like to know how those aren't 'town-aligned'.If that's not a cult, I'll eat my proverbial hat.
Post by: Toaster on June 27, 2013, 01:05:22 pm
Do I need to draw you a picture?
I was fully intending to do so, but came up completely empty on artistic inspiration. Alas.
In any case, I will address your asinine questions. Anything to do with NQT should be covered in my response to him below.
"You suspected he was mafia, on what basis? I stated it was elusive due to your points on Cado's case. Your points were outlined, and you being defensive really tips me off that they weren't as sincere as I first thought."
Your notes on him being anti-town along with what you accuse him of (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4327517#msg4327517) are evident in the way on how you define him without giving him any say on those points.
I get annoyed when I'm asked to repeat myself endlessly.
I'm unsure if I typed this out before, but the list that you spoilered was purely on him not wanting to claim his house #, and it was clarified by the reason of 'scum will target me.' That makes a lot more sense when you can't leave your house, huh.
If he didn't want scum attention, he shouldn't have claimed at all. If he did want to be visited, he should have claimed his house straight away. If he had done either of those things, he would not have attracted my suspicion. His claim was presented in a very scummy manner.
Because I'm not seeing the difference in viewpoints here judging by the reluctance on house # claiming based purely on the simpler case of 'so I can wincon.'
Which was a crucial part of your case, right?
Explain this to me: What benefit did Ranger have in claiming his wincon without claiming his house number? All I can see coming from it is either "Don't lynch me I'm not scum" or "I'm not town so that's why I'm not hunting."
NQT:
"Toaster-san, legitimately what is your case for my expulsion?
You're not hunting scum.
Let's review:
Also, you speak about me not contributing but, for instance, your last message conveyed almost no information: you chatted a bit with Ford-san, asked the senpai a question, said you couldn't deal with Tiruin-sama, and then blustered for a bit about my defense.
Deflection.
Do I look like a bully?
Yes.
Have I been acting like a bully?
Yes.
More so than anyone else?
Yes.
In a word, no.
Somehow you seem to have gotten it in your head that this is up to you to decide. See here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4351880#msg4351880) for another example.
I've been slightly absent from proceedings and to make up I've tried to offer information useful to my schoolmates.
Here's the thing; there's a name for this. It's Information Instead of Analysis, and it's scummy. It's a form of active lurking where you post information (that's either publicly available or unhelpful) and pass that off as contributing. It doesn't help, and it only serves to mask your lack of helpfulness.
And you know that, you're just being lazy (or you yourself are a bully)."
Kiss my ass.
"I voted Dariush-yogisha before because he spent his whole time moaning about Soli-chan's charming pictures rather than actually searching for bullies.
I'm voting you because you're spending your time spinning excuses and loudly proclaiming your townhood rather than actually searching for bullies.
Let's look at your first post of the day:
Small Claims
Student #[NQT] wakes with a start from a sneaky snooze beneath a book.
"Oh! There were some things I wanted to say. POTL-san was Cool Boots-chan (the one I talked about yesterday) and lived in house 1. I was redirected there on night one.
"Miss Leafsnail-san, I went to your house last night and it was FUCKING TERRIFYING. Explanations please."
Okay, great, you've claimed this. Where are you conclusions? How has this helped you find scum? I say you're using this as a shield to hide yourself from actual hunting.
NQT: You are lurky as hell and totally noncommittal, though. Why don't you give us some suspects?"Well, Toaster-san, I think Leafsnail-san is, if not a bully, then a possibly-not-benign third-party, so there's that. More suspicions to follow as I step up my investigatory efforts!"
This is not a conclusion. This is an extremely non-committal hypothesis. You're distancing yourself from saying anyone is scum.
"Deathsword-san, I note that you've been on 100% of the expulsions of non-bullies so far. Why should anyone trust your judgment when the vast majority of the school could tell that, for instance, Ranger-kun was obviously not a bully?"
This one is godawful. First, that's not a scumtell, especially when the sample size is two. People can be wrong. Second, the second sentence is simply stupid. If the "vast majority" didn't think he was scum, why was he lynched? You're simply inventing a case on Deathsword, here.
Dariush: While I agree that NQT is scum, that was quite the bandwagon vote there. What makes NQT more scummy than Birdy to you now?
Birdy: Eagerly awaiting your expanded read.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 27, 2013, 02:38:06 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(1)Toaster - Tiruin
(0)Tiruin -
(3)Dariush - Shinigami_King, Leafsnail, Notquitethere
(0)Zombie Urist -
(0)Shinigami_King -
(0)Deathsword -
(4)Notquitethere - Zombie Urist, Deathsword, Toaster, Dariush
(0)Birdy51 -
(3)Not Voting: Giffion, Captain Ford, Birdy51
Day 3 has been extended to Friday 6/28 at 11 PM EST
Post by: griffinpup on June 27, 2013, 03:36:44 pm
You are scum because you placed your vote on Dariush and then have refused to answer allegations of the validity of your case. You tried to OMGUS someone directly after they accused you of minimum activity and RVS questions. Now you're refusing to comment on the matter even though your pitiful case has been shown to be just that. You blindly tried to rationalize your idiotic vote by appearing to provide a complete list of Dariush's posts leading up to that point. You completely left out valid points that Dariush made by calling them "fluff". You then accuse him of various little things that don't even constitute scumtells and other points that are completely circumstantial and purely based on Nerjin being scum as well.
Why are you so sure Nerjin is scum?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 27, 2013, 06:10:09 pm
I have lost track of this game and revolution due to not being able to devote a good amount of time to the forums as of late. (this should be read as "no time at all") I'll try to get back on the ball. I'm free Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights at minimum so I should be quite active in the near future.
Pup, I will reply shortly.
Dariush, did I miss something? I don't remember seeing you respond to the case directed to you in the slightest!
Post by: zombie urist on June 27, 2013, 06:58:17 pm
How did you reach that conclusion from Tiruin's post?On that note, I'd like honest views from everyone. I'm wondering if most of the female-roles here are third-party compared to males.You want people to both claim their sex and whether they're third party or not?
"Those are some very weak cases for a lynch.It might help if you explain why you think they are weak.
ZU: "Same applies to you. Your case on Ranger was nothing but 'he's scummier than Dariush' without explaining how. You said that You'd respond to my questions. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4345114#msg4345114) You respond to the another set of questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4346467#msg4346467) Something which wasn't in the SAME post which is intended to be answered, denoted by the 'ignore' part which I see is a subtle way or wording around my questions stated A few bits above it (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4343825#msg4343825).I didn't see the questions in that post b/c they were in a quote block. ::)
Doesn't match up. HOW.Because he needs a guy to visit him but doesn't want to claim her house number.
Reasons not wanting to claim. HOW.
Countering the argument on Dar's tunneling, HOW?
Flavor claim being total BS. HOW?!!?
Claims she doesn't want to claim her house number because scum might target her, but this doesn't advance his win-con. Also theres no reason for scum to target her.
Also also continuously delaying her house number claim when asked.
I don't see Dariush tunneling.
Her flavor claim was very empty, as if she was lying about her wincon. Also she said "she was coming to school because it was kicking ppl out" which you even said doesn't make any sense, so it was very likely she was making the entire thing up, which means its very possible she was making everything about her role up.
"I voted Dariush-yogisha before because he spent his whole time moaning about Soli-chan's charming pictures rather than actually searching for bullies.The funny thing about this is that you said you were voting him not because you thought he was a bully, but he was being 'rude and inconsiderate'. 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4293375#msg4293375)
Post by: Leafsnail on June 27, 2013, 07:32:52 pm
Alternately, Solifuge moved in... but why wouldn't Soli's old house have emptied? Hmm.I'd think that they weren't a cult, for a couple of reasons.
1. The aim is explicitly to get rid of bullies. It'd be odd to have another unmentioned scum force (although it wouldn't be strange to have anti-town third parties).
2. A maid is a role that matches up as the servant of a princess. Considering the silhouettes it seems unlikely that Solifuge's role changed midgame.
"Deathsword-san, I note that you've been on 100% of the expulsions of non-bullies so far. Why should anyone trust your judgment when the vast majority of the school could tell that, for instance, Ranger-kun was obviously not a bully?"This is poor logic, especially when yesterday's lynch wasn't actually on a townie. Voting Dariush purely to try and save yourself was pretty terrible too. Do you actually think that Dariush is scum, and why did you want me to try and make an additional case purely to convince you earlier?
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2013, 08:03:52 pm
"Deathsword-san, I note that you've been on 100% of the expulsions of non-bullies so far. Why should anyone trust your judgment when the vast majority of the school could tell that, for instance, Ranger-kun was obviously not a bully?"As was said by both Toaster and Leafsnail, this reeks of desperate scum/third party trying to create a bullshit case. Lenglon acted scummy, and was lynched for it. She was town, but I've yet to see a game where such things do not happen. Ranger was third-party, and also scummy for doing things that went against his claimed wincon. And more importantly, he was third party. Which means not town. Which means town has absolutely nothing to lose, and scum's only gain was not being lynched, with a dead third party. And, as was mentioned, if the majority didn't want Ranger lynched then he wouldn't be dead right now.
NQT, while your post frequency has increased, they are all deflections, attemps to look like town or deflection. You are either scum or third party.
But there is something I want to know: you can clearly go to others' houses, but what were you trying to do there?
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2013, 08:06:33 pm
NQT coughs lightly and addresses the whole class, laying bear secrets under pressure
"Ah to hell with it. I'm a similar third-party alignment as Ranger-kun, and unless I'm very much mistaken I think a lot of you are too (Tiruin-sama for instance).Unlike Ranger-kun, I can move freely about at night. I win if I spend a night alone with a town boy. This is what Ranger-kun meant when they said that they could confirm a town alignment.
"Here's the thing: I can't be bullied away in the night, so you'll all be doing the bullies a massive favour if you suspend me now.
"So you all have to ask yourself one question: will getting rid of me bring you any closer to finding the bullies? I'm an extra pair of eyes in the night. As I can't win by spending a night with a bully boy, it's in my interests to hunt down the bullies (and the easiest way to do that is to catch them in the act). My bully-immunity makes me a great town asset. So are you going to throw that away?"
Post by: Toaster on June 27, 2013, 08:12:40 pm
Why should we believe you? All you've done so far today is wave around your town willy.
Post by: zombie urist on June 27, 2013, 08:27:23 pm
Why do you have to spend a night with a boy? Do you leave the game? Does he leave the game? What makes you think Tiruin is also third party?
Post by: notquitethere on June 27, 2013, 08:48:20 pm
"ZU-san, because I am a very lonely girl, that's why... I leave the game after and the boy is left in school right as rain and so I can in this way confirm the towniness of a single town boy. I merely suspect Tiruin-sama might be because she speculated on the possibility of there being mostly third party girls herself. I could be wrong here."
"Everyone, I'll continue to hunt bullies in the night and share my findings. Now you know where I'm coming from I don't have to waste mine and everyone else's time with pointless lies. This could be the start of a beautiful relationship. Think of it like Batman teaming up with Catwoman in order to take out the Joker: he knows that he'll have to apprehend her eventually, but for now it suits them best to work together."
Post by: Tiruin on June 27, 2013, 09:01:52 pm
"ZU-san, because I am a very lonely girl, that's why... I leave the game after and the boy is left in school right as rain and so I can in this way confirm the towniness of a single town boy. I merely suspect Tiruin-sama might be because she speculated on the possibility of there being mostly third party girls herself. I could be wrong here.""Considering the fact that I'm more in love with books, yes. But I've my duty to do here and I'm to ensure that one of you in the class is protected from harm, thanks. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm against all forms of bullying, and jerks."
Post by: griffinpup on June 27, 2013, 09:10:25 pm
]"Everyone, I'll continue to hunt bullies in the night and share my findings. Now you know where I'm coming from I don't have to waste mine and everyone else's time with pointless lies. This could be the start of a beautiful relationship. Think of it like Batman teaming up with Catwoman in order to take out the Joker: he knows that he'll have to apprehend her eventually, but for now it suits them best to work together."I see it more as the Joker (town) not blowing a six year old's brains out until the kid tells him which way Batman (scum) went. But that's my interpretation.
Post by: Tiruin on June 27, 2013, 09:15:36 pm
Wait
NQT why're you claiming instead of trying to prod those arguments set against you? You do know that, mostly, claims are set with the idea of scrutiny in them and your intentions beforehand are taken into consideration, right? What is your intention with that claim, and why're you announcing the ability of being bulletproof?
Though the fact that you -did- get something..benevolent [ie Leafsnail's horrible house of Class Representatives], I guess, proves something's really up.
Did anyone remark on that one silhouette earlier? It changed from a feminine catform to some kind of guy who looks like he has his hands in his pockets. And sharp hands and feetsies.
Post by: zombie urist on June 27, 2013, 09:25:16 pm
Good metaphor. No one cares. Why don't you do some scumhunting?]"Everyone, I'll continue to hunt bullies in the night and share my findings. Now you know where I'm coming from I don't have to waste mine and everyone else's time with pointless lies. This could be the start of a beautiful relationship. Think of it like Batman teaming up with Catwoman in order to take out the Joker: he knows that he'll have to apprehend her eventually, but for now it suits them best to work together."I see it more as the Joker (town) not blowing a six year old's brains out until the kid tells him which way Batman (scum) went. But that's my interpretation.
PFPSoooo.... your wincon is to protect third party? Protect females?"ZU-san, because I am a very lonely girl, that's why... I leave the game after and the boy is left in school right as rain and so I can in this way confirm the towniness of a single town boy. I merely suspect Tiruin-sama might be because she speculated on the possibility of there being mostly third party girls herself. I could be wrong here.""Considering the fact that I'm more in love with books, yes. But I've my duty to do here and I'm to ensure that one of you in the class is protected from harm, thanks. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm against all forms of bullying, and jerks."
Post by: Teneb on June 27, 2013, 09:54:06 pm
I think town has no female roles, and instead those are third parties.
As for the Ranger lynch, he seemed far too scummy to be what he truly claimed.
Post by: griffinpup on June 27, 2013, 09:57:23 pm
Do you have any specific complaints about my scumhunting, or are you just doing a general prod in my direction?Good metaphor. No one cares. Why don't you do some scumhunting?]"Everyone, I'll continue to hunt bullies in the night and share my findings. Now you know where I'm coming from I don't have to waste mine and everyone else's time with pointless lies. This could be the start of a beautiful relationship. Think of it like Batman teaming up with Catwoman in order to take out the Joker: he knows that he'll have to apprehend her eventually, but for now it suits them best to work together."I see it more as the Joker (town) not blowing a six year old's brains out until the kid tells him which way Batman (scum) went. But that's my interpretation.
Post by: Tiruin on June 27, 2013, 11:08:29 pm
Unvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded....You ALL want town boys?!
I think town has no female roles, and instead those are third parties.
As for the Ranger lynch, he seemed far too scummy to be what he truly claimed.
>_>
Norly.
So we're all a party of third-parties of differing motive, huh. Anyway, too scummy meaning..his intention or something I'm missing from your vote post back there?
"I've this special someone I'd like to see graduate, pass school, perhaps even have a party with. Anything, as long as he isn't emotionally harmed because it would break my heart to see him harmed. And as long as bullying is out of the way or anything that would threaten..err, him, I'm quite happy here. The him is gender neutral here because I am not compromising who he is.PFPSoooo.... your wincon is to protect third party? Protect females?"ZU-san, because I am a very lonely girl, that's why... I leave the game after and the boy is left in school right as rain and so I can in this way confirm the towniness of a single town boy. I merely suspect Tiruin-sama might be because she speculated on the possibility of there being mostly third party girls herself. I could be wrong here.""Considering the fact that I'm more in love with books, yes. But I've my duty to do here and I'm to ensure that one of you in the class is protected from harm, thanks. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm against all forms of bullying, and jerks."
"Though I know that silhouette. Anyway, what was with the questions here?"
Unvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded....I believe it's time for a massclaim at this point in time? We've got nothing but 1 town [boy] down, and multiple third-party females. Opinions people?
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 27, 2013, 11:58:32 pm
1. why would a towny want to narrow down a scums house number. We should scumhunt. Not try to find them in the middle of the night. This method is likely dangerous because you may come in contact with the scum and it does not seem efficient.I’ll address this first shall I? Some small minute things first.If you haven't noticed, Town also has a huge incentive to know if his wincon is game ending. If it was, town would lose too. Knowing his house would theoretically help a mafia member by eliminating a house off of the potential townie house list, but it would also help a townie member to find out who's house is mafia's, and who's house isn't.QuoteSo how about you claim your house so that someone will be able to visit? :-/ Also, is your wincon game-ending? Do you leave the game?
When I first saw this I thought it was just a towny being suspicious but scum would have a huge reason to learn what house he lives in and if his ability is game ending. I think it was obvious that you didn’t plan on helping him at all in the first place so how would knowing any of this information help you. To me it looks like you are going for an easy lynch or you are just trying to siphon away some information to help yourself and your scumbuddies.QuoteMoving on.Point obviously completely reliant on both Nerjin and Dariush being scum.QuoteSolifuge, are you planning to do anything that isn't contentless shitpictureposts today? Your 'main' post yesterday (#748) was basically defending Lenglon, stealing other people's reasons for voting Nerjin (those reason being stealing other people's reasons for votes) and FOSMGUSing me for... lurking? Seriously? That's the best case you've got after an entire day? (well, not counting your 'case' on Nerjin)What I want to point out here is not really your posturing towards Solifuge but the way you’re FOSing nerjin. “scum but less so”. first, you are scum or you are not. You can’t technically be “less so”. I feel like there is an almost general consensus that Nerjin is likely scum compared to silifuge who while has been playing poorly for sure, has not been giving off major scumtells. This portion of your post looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy”. You FOS and then forget. Seems legit.QuoteReally? A lot of fluff? You are picking and choosing choice examples of Dariush's posts, while claiming to go through every single one.A lot of fluff so I’ll skip to this part.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
He explains a HUGE logical fallacy in RangerCado's thinking, something that you conveniently forget.Quoteyour reasons for "why he wouldn't want to claim his house" would be more valid if RangerCado ever agreed with them, or commented on them in any positive form whatsoever. He didn't. Therefore we can conclude that your guess of why he did what he did is wrong.QuoteEven though my read on you fell through the floor, I'm still going to give you one last chance to redeem yourself. Claim your house.
Did you seriously threaten him to just tell you his house number? That thing that you can use to kill him. Well, ranger’s reasons for not saying his house number are dumb due to the fact that we already agreed that scum wouldn’t target him but there are other reasons that I have already stated in posts before this one as to why he wouldn’t want to claim his house.QuoteHere you are trying to pull the information out of him, and later as we will see soon, you attack him for claiming due to being hesitant. No matter what he would be guilty. Way to use that good old catch 22 on him there. No matter what, he is one screwed mafia player.It's my personal opinion that the fact that RangerCado yielded under pressure while not really changing his opinion is what really made him scummy.QuoteQuoteIsn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?Lazy ass is being lazy. You are avoiding the area of trying to make “assumptions” because he is your scumbudy and you don’t want to put him in everyone’s line of focus. You’re also not posting anything here with significant content.
Of course it's a bit to early to make assumptions. HE HASN'T POSTED YET! He also answered your questions. What more content do you want?QuoteDo you need a thorough examination of IG's three posts to understand why he was playing bad? I'd assume that was obvious. But again, your whole point is completely reliant on Nwejin AND Dariush being scum.Quote“Ahaha, good old Dariush, just being mean to everybody :P He is just acting natural and is a grump, now time for me to go pay attention to someone who isn't Dar~” Trying to look natural when attacking someone wile presenting no content… seeing as this is the replacement of your scumbuddy of course you would avoid starting a real case on them.Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitrightNQTNQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!Wow, you're stupid.
Why did we even let him into this game?...QuoteMoving on.Do you disagree with anything specific in this post of his, or are you going to stick with interpreting the meaning posts without actually disagreeing with the content? You accuse him of calling Cado scum. How does this make him scummy? Note that his is the only complaint that you actually have about the CONTENT of this post.Well that escalated quickly. His response was dumb, no question about it, but you just go right in and say that he is scum. PLEASE! what I see is you saying, "hey! Cado looks weak, suspicious and dumb! Time to go pick on him and start an easy bandwagon because no one will ever notice! and when his role flip come and it's seen that he was actually telling the truth, who cares!? He wasn't a good player anyway! Pshaw~" that summarizes my point for this post. Next!Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteWTF? If I understand this correctly, you're main complaint about this post of his is that he was irritated and he didn't quote the posts that prove him right. Then you give a rambling explanation of why Cado would raise the bar is if it makes Dariush scum for not automatically assuming that's what happened. Of course, your logic is flawed. If Cado's reasoning for raising the bar was that, he would of said so. He also wouldn't of changed his mind under pressure.He said in an irritated manner with nothing actually backing up what he is saying. Because you are scum, I'm sure you realize that at first it would be easy enough for you and your scumbuddies to say "show us" and Ranger would have to claim if he kept his promise. Instead he raised it so this would be less likely to happen.Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteDid you disagree with the bolded part? I don't care about a stupid coin. I don't even care if he's just being a jerk. I care about whether his statement is right or not.I feel like I have already gone over this so I think I'm just going say this. You are simply attacking him... not making a case, not even thinking through your entire posts. There are two sides to each coin and between the two sides, heads and tails, your arguments lean heavily to the rear end if you can gather what I'm throwing down here. B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. I think by using words like this you may be able to understand a little, eh, Daruish?Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteIs bandwagoning a valid scumtell?
I found you, and still find you, scummy. This question was not purely random, it was using the current circumstances presented to me to try to see if you were hiding something, and to see if you would reveal any poor cover up strategies with your scumbuddy. Gathering everyone's oppinions of ford's and ranger's roles was important because if people start contradicting themselves something may be up. Currently I see that you are leading a bit of a bandwaggon against ranger.QuoteDoes having an inflated opinion of ones scumhunting ability make someone scummy? If not, I don't understand what place this paragraph has in this post.QuoteImperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.This question's purpose was to try to use the replacing player to "triangulate" whether Nerjin was scum or not. IG didn't play... as expected, so the question was null and void.QuoteEveryone- Not asking for WIFOM, just some insight from the public, does anyone here have an opinion that they would like to share about the night. (Nk's, questionable actions etc.)I think it is important to hear everyone's oppinions of what happened and how we should approach the day.QuoteBirdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.This is once again me attempting to "triangulate" their alignment. I do believe nerjin & accomplices are scum but continued pressure will likely yield greater results.QuoteDariush- I realize your a bit of a prickly cactus but you seem to change your votes more based on emotion, gut feeling and anger. Is this true? If so why, if not is there something you particularly find significant about your scumhunting?Your "perfect scumhunting" isn't as perfect as you claim. Don't get full of your self. Your scumhunting day one was practically the opposite of perfect. You cursed people out for colours and pictures and then didn't lead a compelling case for the person you wished to lynch (solifuge) in case you have forgotten already. If you were perfect there would be no reason for us to question you in the first place because your perfect scumhunting would put a flawless case in front of our noses.
OK. posting this tonight. I"m not sure if I missed anything, i'm pretty tired. I'll also probably finish responding to your post tomorrow.
PPE: EVERYONE
2. Of course it is reliant on them being scum.. well, not exactly. It is boosted if they are both scum. I am sure that at least one of them is scum and finding inconsistencies in the actions taken by the two people I find scummiest is something I would class as a scumtell. My point still can stand on it's own even if nerjin wasn't scum however.
3. The reason I stated "a lot of fluff" was because I figured what he said was obvious and didn't require being said. By saying it, he would apear to be on top of things but he would really just be saying the obvious thing that everyone was already thinking. Why do you think so many people saw ranger as scum? Because of these inconsistencies really.
4.No one said that ranger knows how to take advantage of a situation. It would have been easy for him to use my points. He just didn't because he was turtleing and trying to hide from the swift and painful blows of Dar. What I am trying to say is, my points are still valid and can't be thrown out the window that easily. Dar had to at least take my opinions into account, which he didn't seem to do.
5.Your opinion so I have nothing really to say there.
6.You can make assumptions right off the bat. "Oh, nerjin was scummy so IG will likely try to suck up" or "I'm surprised he hasn't posted yet due to Nerjin's track record, he has a lot to make up for". That's all. Anything. Any insight, but from Dariush, nothing, nada, zip.
7. Once again, it's more inconsistencies that make him scummy. If they were both scum that would strengthen all my theories but they do still stand by themselves.
8.I'm sorry for making a case differently than how you would prefer. I prefer analyzing over direct, "you're wrong 'cause of this". Also, my main complaint with this wasn't that he was calling cado scum but that his entire case felt like he was utilizing catch 22 to make him inevitably right and look good. Also taking the easy route and just plowing on through weak players definitely make him look scummy to me.
9.My main point was that ranger could have raised the bar to prevent scum from finding him out easily. Also, please take into account that these are quotes from the time that it was all happening so while right now we know that ranger wasn't thinking that way at the time we didn't know and Dariush surely saw all the flaws to his attack and the defenses of cado.
10.His statement may or may not be right depending on the conditions of the scum NK's. In this game, even though he wasn't a threat to mafia he might have been an easy target. In other words, scum might have still had intensive to NK him.
11.Yes. Bandwagoning is a scumtell.
12.I don't know what paragraph you are referring to.
I would have put that quote in a spoiler but it wouldn't format properly for me :\
Post by: Leafsnail on June 28, 2013, 08:12:36 am
Unvote. I know Dariush is male and where his house is, so if he stays at home tonight I can effectively inspect him (if I win and leave the game tonight he's town, if not I'll be able to tell that he's not town, and since it seems that girls are 3rd parties that would probably make him scum). How does that sound to everyone?
Post by: Tiruin on June 28, 2013, 08:32:36 am
And..why are you all claiming [I'VE TO BE WITH TOWN BOY] when some of you have even gone against that notion by query'ing Ranger about that before? Too busy to track it down now, but I do remember someone asking that notion.
Leafsnail: What was the main reason in prodding at Cado in your case? Wincon-based, or his antics?
PFP
Unvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded.So..what did you do anyway, if I could ask? It's based on movement, that as far I can tell.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 28, 2013, 08:45:06 am
Post by: Dariush on June 28, 2013, 08:51:38 am
Unvote. I know Dariush is male and where his house is, so if he stays at home tonight I can effectively inspect him (if I win and leave the game tonight he's town, if not I'll be able to tell that he's not town, and since it seems that girls are 3rd parties that would probably make him scum). How does that sound to everyone?Sure why not. How did you learn my sex and house number, by the way?
Dariush: While I agree that NQT is scum, that was quite the bandwagon vote there. What makes NQT more scummy than Birdy to you now?NQT wasn't far behind Birdy on my scummeter. Both are bandwagoning lazy lynchhappy fucks who didn't do absolutely anything useful during the entire game. However, my vote on Birdy wasn't being of much use, so I shifted it. Also, NQT started racking up the scum points by the shovel starting around then, trying to paint himself as town, using even-more-bullshit-than-usual accusations, like the one he did on DS and so on.
SK, are you aware that there are people here other than me and GP? State your reads on NQT, DS and LS.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 28, 2013, 08:53:17 am
Post by: Teneb on June 28, 2013, 10:21:47 am
Could you clarify what this question means if I get it wrong below?Unvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded.So..what did you do anyway, if I could ask? It's based on movement, that as far I can tell.
To use my redirect, I have to say "Redirect from house X to house Y". Last night, X was 7, which you confirmed to be yours after Ranger said his investigation-ability's results. You didn't leave you house, so it didn't work.
As for the Ranger lynch, his actions went against him claim. If he had no way of going to another house or making people go to his, why not claim his house number in the first place? Why demand 2 people to ask him that, and then 3 more? It made no sense and looked like scum trying to fakeclaim. And if he really was telling the truth (which turned out to be the case), he was competition.
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2013, 10:45:20 am
Post by: notquitethere on June 28, 2013, 10:57:06 am
Post by: Leafsnail on June 28, 2013, 10:58:12 am
OK. Just so we are perfectly clear, all you lovely (and not so lovely) ladies have to be alone with a town boy, right? You can't all be with the same person in the same night, right?Yeah.
Also, I'm probably not going to be able to post again before the end of the day since I'm leaving for the weekend.
Post by: notquitethere on June 28, 2013, 10:58:43 am
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 28, 2013, 10:59:10 am
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2013, 10:59:47 am
"Dariush-san, I'll level will you. I'm only voting you to even the vote. I'm not a bully but I'm not 'town' either I'm a third-party girl like Deathsword-san, Tiruin-sama, Leafsnail-san and probably more. Why is you vote still on me rather than on someone that could be a bully?"You really can't grasp the concept of us not automatically taking you at your word, can you?
Post by: Leafsnail on June 28, 2013, 10:59:52 am
Post by: zombie urist on June 28, 2013, 11:02:57 am
In the mean time Griffinpup for active lurking and not scumhunting.
Also now I'm really curious about the catgirl who turned into a catdude.
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2013, 11:05:56 am
Hmm... I will need a brief reread to check on these claims.Ya, just randomly throw your vote around with nothing backing up what you're actually saying. Good one.
In the mean time Griffinpup for active lurking and not scumhunting.
Also now I'm really curious about the catgirl who turned into a catdude.
Post by: notquitethere on June 28, 2013, 11:14:24 am
You really can't grasp the concept of us not automatically taking you at your word, can you?"Only I expect a modicum of intelligence from my fellow classmates, Griff-kun. I claim and then three other people claim the same sort of role immediately afterwards. Are we all bullies? Which is the more reasonable hypothesis? Leafsnail-san is correct, it makes no sense to evict Dariush-yogisha if he's a he. Toaster-san, why are you still voting me?"
Post by: zombie urist on June 28, 2013, 11:19:34 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357008#msg4357008
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4355481#msg4355481
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4352200#msg4352200
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4351627#msg4351627
Ya, just randomly throw your vote around with nothing backing up what you're actually saying. Good one.Here's a bunch of posts with no content.
Post by: Dariush on June 28, 2013, 11:49:35 am
BTW, LS, if you knew that I could help you win all along, why didn't you claim so at the beginning of the day and instead voted me?
Post by: Toaster on June 28, 2013, 12:08:52 pm
You really can't grasp the concept of us not automatically taking you at your word, can you?"Only I expect a modicum of intelligence from my fellow classmates, Griff-kun. I claim and then three other people claim the same sort of role immediately afterwards. Are we all bullies? Which is the more reasonable hypothesis? Leafsnail-san is correct, it makes no sense to evict Dariush-yogisha if he's a he. Toaster-san, why are you still voting me?"
Because you can't pretend to be town for shit.
On the basis of recent events, Unvote. I need to check something.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2013, 12:19:13 pm
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(2)Toaster - Tiruin, Notquitethere
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(1)Shinigami_King - Giffion
(0)Deathsword -
(1)Notquitethere - Dariush
(0)Birdy51 -
(5)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Birdy51, Deathsword, Leafsnail, Toaster
Day 3 will last until Friday 6/28 at 11 PM EST or in about 10~ hours.
EDIT:
I think Birdy and Leafsnail are going to be away this weekend? If the day ends today I'll have to extend the night until they get back, which shouldn be Tuesday at the latest.
Post by: Toaster on June 28, 2013, 02:30:22 pm
I'm the catgirl, who is now a catboy.
Given everything everyone has posted, I think (aside from the bullies*) all the males are town and the females are third party. I *was* a survivor, who was out to find my yarnball which is in one of the houses somewhere. Last night, I got changed into a (cat)boy which also made me town. I don't know who changed me, but it was someone's role effect. I still want to find my yarnball, which now gives me some sort of role power when I do find it.
I'm not sure how I got targeted. I was alone in someone else's house last night when it happened. I can confirm NQT is female, by the way, because I was in his/her house on N1.
*I say this because I have no data to work with on this, so it may be dangerous to extend this assumption to them.
Note- This is also why I tunneled Jim and Ranger so much- I was a survivor trying not to get nightkilled. I still support the Ranger lynch, though.
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2013, 02:43:13 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357057#msg4357057First of all, several of these were applicable to the discussion going on at the time, and in fact quite necessary.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357008#msg4357008
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4355481#msg4355481
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4352200#msg4352200
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4351627#msg4351627Ya, just randomly throw your vote around with nothing backing up what you're actually saying. Good one.Here's a bunch of posts with no content.
But sure, I post small posts with little to no content. But at least once a day I post something with substance. The 26th was an exception to this rule, because I was waiting for Shinigami's reply.
Also, Extend. Our votes are way too spread out. I think we need some more time to work through all the claims before we decide who to lynch. What I want to know , is how much you third party people are going to help scumhunt. Are you just going to sit around and watch, or are you still going to play the game?(http://)
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2013, 03:03:43 pm
*IMPORTANT SCHOOL ANNOUNCEMENT*
Since there's been a lot of mass-claiming (mainly claims of third-party) I'll be putting the town and mafia wincons into the public eye.
Town wincon:
You win when all the mafia are kicked out of school or become otherwise not a problem (dead).
Mafia wincon:
You win when the town can't win anymore.
As for third-party? Who knows.
Post by: notquitethere on June 28, 2013, 03:09:05 pm
Post by: Dariush on June 28, 2013, 03:18:23 pm
Also, I'd like whoever lives in 5th house to claim.
PFP.
Post by: Toaster on June 28, 2013, 03:41:46 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2013, 06:46:19 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2013, 07:50:02 pm
Also, starts twitching from mass-claiming.
Post by: Tiruin on June 28, 2013, 08:12:38 pm
"Alright, now I see the errors in telling our identity. People are hiding behind it, and the surefire way to test things out isn't in massclaiming due to the sheer difference in how people would state who they are. Or the similarity.
"However, most I see are people prodding at wincondition and nothing else."
Extend.
Dariush is a boy don't lynch him you idiots.
Well... Just so you guys know, My role seems to be exactly like Dariush. Sleeping with chicks = good. Preferably more then one at a time.
Dunno about the female wincon, but my female-dependent ability expressly has the effects stack when being with multiple girls (yay threesome), so maybe the reverse works too?..
BTW, LS, if you knew that I could help you win all along, why didn't you claim so at the beginning of the day and instead voted me?
Extend.
I'm the catgirl, who is now a catboy.
Given everything everyone has posted, I think (aside from the bullies*) all the males are town and the females are third party. I *was* a survivor, who was out to find my yarnball which is in one of the houses somewhere. Last night, I got changed into a (cat)boy which also made me town. I don't know who changed me, but it was someone's role effect. I still want to find my yarnball, which now gives me some sort of role power when I do find it.
I'm not sure how I got targeted. I was alone in someone else's house last night when it happened. I can confirm NQT is female, by the way, because I was in his/her house on N1.
*I say this because I have no data to work with on this, so it may be dangerous to extend this assumption to them.
Note- This is also why I tunneled Jim and Ranger so much- I was a survivor trying not to get nightkilled. I still support the Ranger lynch, though.
"Now we're all assuming females are third-party, and all boys are town-ish.
"Hey, we've got three bullies who can coordinate their identities, people. I'd love to see how many cracks and slips they've made..only that I'm still quite busy. Tired. Having body aches. And many other things."
"'When the town can't win, anymore.' Check'it.*IMPORTANT SCHOOL ANNOUNCEMENT*
Since there's been a lot of mass-claiming (mainly claims of third-party) I'll be putting the town and mafia wincons into the public eye.
Town wincon:
You win when all the mafia are kicked out of school or become otherwise not a problem (dead).
Mafia wincon:
You win when the town can't win anymore.
As for third-party? Who knows.
"Small notes at the moment, because I promised this a reread, and It'll get that reread:
> I'm really supporting Leafsnail's plan now of the 'more people to a house' type, but the significance of him having a spooky terrifying house for a class representative is a really bad notion to his rep."
Hmm... I will need a brief reread to check on these claims.
In the mean time Griffinpup for active lurking and not scumhunting.
Also now I'm really curious about the catgirl who turned into a catdude.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357057#msg4357057
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357008#msg4357008
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4355481#msg4355481
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4352200#msg4352200
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4351627#msg4351627Ya, just randomly throw your vote around with nothing backing up what you're actually saying. Good one.Here's a bunch of posts with no content.
"I don't like how zombie urist has been acting with all the brevity thrown around nor can I see how what he said recently qualify under active-lurking.
"Do you have any other reads, ZU? Nothing else but aiming for the tried and still plausible and unproven idea of 'active lurking'?"
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2013, 09:22:21 pm
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(1)Toaster - Tiruin
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(3)Shinigami_King - Giffion, Notquitethere, Dariush
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(5)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Birdy51, Deathsword, Leafsnail, Toaster
Leafsnail, Birdy, Toaster, Griffion, and Tiruin have requested an extension. One more vote is needed to extend the day to Monday 7/1 at 11 PM EST.
Day 3 will last until Friday 6/28 at 11 PM EST or in about 40 minutes.
Post by: zombie urist on June 28, 2013, 09:33:49 pm
"I don't like how zombie urist has been acting with all the brevity thrown around nor can I see how what he said recently qualify under active-lurking.Seriously? Do you see any content in those posts? Because there is very little. Also Griffin has claimed to be waiting for S_K to respond without doing anything in the meantime. My other reads have already more or less been confirmed. (NQT claimed being third party).
"Do you have any other reads, ZU? Nothing else but aiming for the tried and still plausible and unproven idea of 'active lurking'?"
Extend
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 28, 2013, 10:25:18 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 28, 2013, 11:12:43 pm
Quote
"Here's the thing: I can't be bullied away in the night, so you'll all be doing the bullies a massive favour if you suspend me now.This sounds like an excuse. as in "I'm valuable to the team, don't kick me out just yet!" However, claiming this and not hopping onto the claim bandwaggon makes you considerably less likely to be scum.
Deathsword-
Quote
Unvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded.This to me seems like the best time to claim as scum. "If two people have the ability, why not me?" mentality. You also added the fact that your personal ability had no effect so there was no way to prove you wrong in any way.So your claim seems scumiests to me.
Quote
As for the Ranger lynch, he seemed far too scummy to be what he truly claimed.Also, the fact that you didn't believe that someone had this ability... I'm skeptical. If you were worried about revealing your role by defending him you didn't have to. At the same time you didn't have to vote him. Someone claiming the basically the same ability as you is too lucky of a guess on their part. I feel like you are BSing here. If you are not scum I am guessing you are lying about what your role actually is.
Tiruin (the pink is to show that I think she is SUPER TOWN-
Quote
"Considering the fact that I'm more in love with books, yes. But I've my duty to do here and I'm to ensure that one of you in the class is protected from harm, thanks. Though, I'm pretty sure I'm against all forms of bullying, and jerks."
Quote
"I've this special someone I'd like to see graduate, pass school, perhaps even have a party with. Anything, as long as he isn't emotionally harmed because it would break my heart to see him harmed. And as long as bullying is out of the way or anything that would threaten..err, him, I'm quite happy here. The him is gender neutral here because I am not compromising who he is.Tiruin's role claim seems very genuine and unique. Separate from others and overly realistic I have nothing more to add to this claim. She is now on my SUPER TOWN books.
Toaster(Green=tentative SUPER TOWN)-
Quote
I'm the catgirl, who is now a catboy.This all seems genuine and realistic just like I said for Tiruin. The only thing that separates you two is that Tiruin has a batter track record in this game while you have been a point of suspicion multiple times.
Given everything everyone has posted, I think (aside from the bullies*) all the males are town and the females are third party. I *was* a survivor, who was out to find my yarnball which is in one of the houses somewhere. Last night, I got changed into a (cat)boy which also made me town. I don't know who changed me, but it was someone's role effect. I still want to find my yarnball, which now gives me some sort of role power when I do find it.
I'm not sure how I got targeted. I was alone in someone else's house last night when it happened. I can confirm NQT is female, by the way, because I was in his/her house on N1.
Leafsnail-I have to be honest. This entire game I have hardly paid attention to leafsnail. Lot's of people have been attacking him but the limited amount of reading I have done didn't make me see anything overly scummy about him. This is true for multiple people on this forum. I can only give a proper opinion of a few people due to how I have been paying attention only half as much to the majority here. I hope you understand. this is also inflated due to the fact that I have only just started paying attention to the forum again after a week or so. The fact that "I'm lazy" probably reflects most in this trait though I'm sure others do it as well.
Post by: griffinpup on June 28, 2013, 11:14:44 pm
Post by: Teneb on June 29, 2013, 10:27:57 am
Deathsword-I did not defend, and indeed attack Ranger, because he was scummy. He acted in a way not compatible with his claim. But what I find most idiotic in your post is that you conveniently ignore that both Leafsnail and NQT claimed the same wincon as mine and that their actions also cannot be easily confirmed. When referring to NQT you said he claims and at the same time not jumps in to the claim wagon? How does that make sense? He started the claim wagon, not that there is anything scummy about claiming.QuoteUnvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded.This to me seems like the best time to claim as scum. "If two people have the ability, why not me?" mentality. You also added the fact that your personal ability had no effect so there was no way to prove you wrong in any way.So your claim seems scumiests to me.QuoteAs for the Ranger lynch, he seemed far too scummy to be what he truly claimed.Also, the fact that you didn't believe that someone had this ability... I'm skeptical. If you were worried about revealing your role by defending him you didn't have to. At the same time you didn't have to vote him. Someone claiming the basically the same ability as you is too lucky of a guess on their part. I feel like you are BSing here. If you are not scum I am guessing you are lying about what your role actually is.
Not only that but you instantly believe Tiruin's claim despite no evidence other than my own action claim, which you do NOT believe, that she performed no kill last night. You are trying to gain more nights to kill, Shinigami, and I have no problem in seeing pond scum like you hang.
Post by: Tiruin on June 29, 2013, 11:19:14 am
Not only that but you instantly believe Tiruin's claim despite no evidence other than my own action claim, which you do NOT believe, that she performed no kill last night. You are trying to gain more nights to kill, Shinigami, and I have no problem in seeing pond scum like you hang.Could you expound the bolded part? You just said you acted on me, and now delve into specifics?
..And you say he doesn't believe what you're saying..where?
Post by: griffinpup on June 29, 2013, 11:57:54 am
Huh. You're right. The spoiler function is completely obtuse. Ah well, you guys will just have to suffer through it.1. why would a towny want to narrow down a scums house number. We should scumhunt. Not try to find them in the middle of the night. This method is likely dangerous because you may come in contact with the scum and it does not seem efficient.I’ll address this first shall I? Some small minute things first.If you haven't noticed, Town also has a huge incentive to know if his wincon is game ending. If it was, town would lose too. Knowing his house would theoretically help a mafia member by eliminating a house off of the potential townie house list, but it would also help a townie member to find out who's house is mafia's, and who's house isn't.QuoteSo how about you claim your house so that someone will be able to visit? :-/ Also, is your wincon game-ending? Do you leave the game?
When I first saw this I thought it was just a towny being suspicious but scum would have a huge reason to learn what house he lives in and if his ability is game ending. I think it was obvious that you didn’t plan on helping him at all in the first place so how would knowing any of this information help you. To me it looks like you are going for an easy lynch or you are just trying to siphon away some information to help yourself and your scumbuddies.QuoteMoving on.Point obviously completely reliant on both Nerjin and Dariush being scum.QuoteSolifuge, are you planning to do anything that isn't contentless shitpictureposts today? Your 'main' post yesterday (#748) was basically defending Lenglon, stealing other people's reasons for voting Nerjin (those reason being stealing other people's reasons for votes) and FOSMGUSing me for... lurking? Seriously? That's the best case you've got after an entire day? (well, not counting your 'case' on Nerjin)What I want to point out here is not really your posturing towards Solifuge but the way you’re FOSing nerjin. “scum but less so”. first, you are scum or you are not. You can’t technically be “less so”. I feel like there is an almost general consensus that Nerjin is likely scum compared to silifuge who while has been playing poorly for sure, has not been giving off major scumtells. This portion of your post looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy”. You FOS and then forget. Seems legit.QuoteReally? A lot of fluff? You are picking and choosing choice examples of Dariush's posts, while claiming to go through every single one.A lot of fluff so I’ll skip to this part.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
He explains a HUGE logical fallacy in RangerCado's thinking, something that you conveniently forget.Quoteyour reasons for "why he wouldn't want to claim his house" would be more valid if RangerCado ever agreed with them, or commented on them in any positive form whatsoever. He didn't. Therefore we can conclude that your guess of why he did what he did is wrong.QuoteEven though my read on you fell through the floor, I'm still going to give you one last chance to redeem yourself. Claim your house.
Did you seriously threaten him to just tell you his house number? That thing that you can use to kill him. Well, ranger’s reasons for not saying his house number are dumb due to the fact that we already agreed that scum wouldn’t target him but there are other reasons that I have already stated in posts before this one as to why he wouldn’t want to claim his house.QuoteHere you are trying to pull the information out of him, and later as we will see soon, you attack him for claiming due to being hesitant. No matter what he would be guilty. Way to use that good old catch 22 on him there. No matter what, he is one screwed mafia player.It's my personal opinion that the fact that RangerCado yielded under pressure while not really changing his opinion is what really made him scummy.QuoteQuoteIsn't that a bit too early to make assumptions?Lazy ass is being lazy. You are avoiding the area of trying to make “assumptions” because he is your scumbudy and you don’t want to put him in everyone’s line of focus. You’re also not posting anything here with significant content.
Of course it's a bit to early to make assumptions. HE HASN'T POSTED YET! He also answered your questions. What more content do you want?QuoteDo you need a thorough examination of IG's three posts to understand why he was playing bad? I'd assume that was obvious. But again, your whole point is completely reliant on Nwejin AND Dariush being scum.Quote“Ahaha, good old Dariush, just being mean to everybody :P He is just acting natural and is a grump, now time for me to go pay attention to someone who isn't Dar~” Trying to look natural when attacking someone wile presenting no content… seeing as this is the replacement of your scumbuddy of course you would avoid starting a real case on them.Ah, I think Nerjin-san is a big stupid head. Why would he leave us? was he a stupid bully? And i think they are all good people! Except Tiruin-san. Hes a bit on the mean side, De Arimasu! (amidoingitrightNQTNQT-San is obvously a bully! De Arimasu!Wow, you're stupid.
Why did we even let him into this game?...QuoteMoving on.Do you disagree with anything specific in this post of his, or are you going to stick with interpreting the meaning posts without actually disagreeing with the content? You accuse him of calling Cado scum. How does this make him scummy? Note that his is the only complaint that you actually have about the CONTENT of this post.Well that escalated quickly. His response was dumb, no question about it, but you just go right in and say that he is scum. PLEASE! what I see is you saying, "hey! Cado looks weak, suspicious and dumb! Time to go pick on him and start an easy bandwagon because no one will ever notice! and when his role flip come and it's seen that he was actually telling the truth, who cares!? He wasn't a good player anyway! Pshaw~" that summarizes my point for this post. Next!Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteWTF? If I understand this correctly, you're main complaint about this post of his is that he was irritated and he didn't quote the posts that prove him right. Then you give a rambling explanation of why Cado would raise the bar is if it makes Dariush scum for not automatically assuming that's what happened. Of course, your logic is flawed. If Cado's reasoning for raising the bar was that, he would of said so. He also wouldn't of changed his mind under pressure.He said in an irritated manner with nothing actually backing up what he is saying. Because you are scum, I'm sure you realize that at first it would be easy enough for you and your scumbuddies to say "show us" and Ranger would have to claim if he kept his promise. Instead he raised it so this would be less likely to happen.Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteDid you disagree with the bolded part? I don't care about a stupid coin. I don't even care if he's just being a jerk. I care about whether his statement is right or not.I feel like I have already gone over this so I think I'm just going say this. You are simply attacking him... not making a case, not even thinking through your entire posts. There are two sides to each coin and between the two sides, heads and tails, your arguments lean heavily to the rear end if you can gather what I'm throwing down here. B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. I think by using words like this you may be able to understand a little, eh, Daruish?Spoiler (click to show/hide)QuoteIs bandwagoning a valid scumtell?
I found you, and still find you, scummy. This question was not purely random, it was using the current circumstances presented to me to try to see if you were hiding something, and to see if you would reveal any poor cover up strategies with your scumbuddy. Gathering everyone's oppinions of ford's and ranger's roles was important because if people start contradicting themselves something may be up. Currently I see that you are leading a bit of a bandwaggon against ranger.QuoteDoes having an inflated opinion of ones scumhunting ability make someone scummy? If not, I don't understand what place this paragraph has in this post.QuoteImperial Guardsman - Nerjin has left a bad taste in my mouth. How do you taste? What are your views of Nerjin. Specifically, I'm curious as to what you think of vote mania but I'm curious about your general reads. What do you think of PotL, Tiruin and Solifuge.This question's purpose was to try to use the replacing player to "triangulate" whether Nerjin was scum or not. IG didn't play... as expected, so the question was null and void.QuoteEveryone- Not asking for WIFOM, just some insight from the public, does anyone here have an opinion that they would like to share about the night. (Nk's, questionable actions etc.)I think it is important to hear everyone's oppinions of what happened and how we should approach the day.QuoteBirdy- Could you list the major problems with nerjin's and IG's play and try to justify why they played the way they did.This is once again me attempting to "triangulate" their alignment. I do believe nerjin & accomplices are scum but continued pressure will likely yield greater results.QuoteDariush- I realize your a bit of a prickly cactus but you seem to change your votes more based on emotion, gut feeling and anger. Is this true? If so why, if not is there something you particularly find significant about your scumhunting?Your "perfect scumhunting" isn't as perfect as you claim. Don't get full of your self. Your scumhunting day one was practically the opposite of perfect. You cursed people out for colours and pictures and then didn't lead a compelling case for the person you wished to lynch (solifuge) in case you have forgotten already. If you were perfect there would be no reason for us to question you in the first place because your perfect scumhunting would put a flawless case in front of our noses.
OK. posting this tonight. I"m not sure if I missed anything, i'm pretty tired. I'll also probably finish responding to your post tomorrow.
PPE: EVERYONE
2. Of course it is reliant on them being scum.. well, not exactly. It is boosted if they are both scum. I am sure that at least one of them is scum and finding inconsistencies in the actions taken by the two people I find scummiest is something I would class as a scumtell. My point still can stand on it's own even if nerjin wasn't scum however.
3. The reason I stated "a lot of fluff" was because I figured what he said was obvious and didn't require being said. By saying it, he would apear to be on top of things but he would really just be saying the obvious thing that everyone was already thinking. Why do you think so many people saw ranger as scum? Because of these inconsistencies really.
4.No one said that ranger knows how to take advantage of a situation. It would have been easy for him to use my points. He just didn't because he was turtleing and trying to hide from the swift and painful blows of Dar. What I am trying to say is, my points are still valid and can't be thrown out the window that easily. Dar had to at least take my opinions into account, which he didn't seem to do.
5.Your opinion so I have nothing really to say there.
6.You can make assumptions right off the bat. "Oh, nerjin was scummy so IG will likely try to suck up" or "I'm surprised he hasn't posted yet due to Nerjin's track record, he has a lot to make up for". That's all. Anything. Any insight, but from Dariush, nothing, nada, zip.
7. Once again, it's more inconsistencies that make him scummy. If they were both scum that would strengthen all my theories but they do still stand by themselves.
8.I'm sorry for making a case differently than how you would prefer. I prefer analyzing over direct, "you're wrong 'cause of this". Also, my main complaint with this wasn't that he was calling cado scum but that his entire case felt like he was utilizing catch 22 to make him inevitably right and look good. Also taking the easy route and just plowing on through weak players definitely make him look scummy to me.
9.My main point was that ranger could have raised the bar to prevent scum from finding him out easily. Also, please take into account that these are quotes from the time that it was all happening so while right now we know that ranger wasn't thinking that way at the time we didn't know and Dariush surely saw all the flaws to his attack and the defenses of cado.
10.His statement may or may not be right depending on the conditions of the scum NK's. In this game, even though he wasn't a threat to mafia he might have been an easy target. In other words, scum might have still had intensive to NK him.
11.Yes. Bandwagoning is a scumtell.
12.I don't know what paragraph you are referring to.
I would have put that quote in a spoiler but it wouldn't format properly for me :\
1. Ever heard of a vigilante? An asteroid of death comes to mind. How about a cop? Maybe a doctor? All of these roles would theoretically require you to know the house number of your target. You'd either want to find out who to target or learn who's house to avoid. My point is that there are myriad reasons for town to attempt to find out the numbers of other people. Scum also have incentive to do so of course, but in no way is this a scumtell.
2. You literally state (looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy.”) How is this point not reliant on Nerjin being scum?
3. Ranger clearly wasn't getting it. Someone had to point it out to him. I believe this is still a valuable example of when Daruish contributed, and the fact that you completely blew by it without anything to say other then casually labeling it fluff shows complete close-mindedness at best, and downright scumminess at worst. Do you see yourself as having a completely bias attitude towards Dariush?
4. You are and have made up various reasons for why Cado would of done the things he did. The fact is, those weren't his reasons. He explained his reasons, and these weren't it. So no, your excuses for why Cado did things weren't valid. I never once considered your explanations for his actions valid. Does that make me scum?
6. Your question was literally, "How scummy do you find Guardsmen?" You asked this BEFORE Gaurdsmen ever posted. I have a question for you. How scummy did you find Guardsmen before he ever posted?
7. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!! DO YOU NEED A THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF IG'S POSTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS PLAYING BAD?
8. So... It's a scumtell to attack weak players? Also, Do you disagree with anything specific in that post? It looks like a general attack on Dariush, with nothing to do with the actual post. And why did you never mention catch 22 in your first explanation, if that was your "main complaint"?
9. Okay. Explain to me how that makes him scum.
10. What incentive would that be?
11. Agreed. How about "leading a bandwagon"?
Post by: Teneb on June 29, 2013, 01:07:16 pm
PFP (yeah..this looks like a chain of PFPs due to the cursed internet connection here...)My claim. Read it fully.Not only that but you instantly believe Tiruin's claim despite no evidence other than my own action claim, which you do NOT believe, that she performed no kill last night. You are trying to gain more nights to kill, Shinigami, and I have no problem in seeing pond scum like you hang.Could you expound the bolded part? You just said you acted on me, and now delve into specifics?
..And you say he doesn't believe what you're saying..where?
Unvote. I have reasons to believe NQT is telling the truth here. Why? My wincon is the same. The difference with my role is that I cannot leave my home, but can make others come to me (as long as they are leaving their house in the first place). I can confirm that Tiruin did not leave her house in night 2, as my action had no effect. Night 1 I was interrupted as my home was invaded.
I think town has no female roles, and instead those are third parties.
As for the Ranger lynch, he seemed far too scummy to be what he truly claimed.
As for the part where he doesn't believe me, it's in the post you just quoted.
Also, griff, could you please spoiler that? Or just cut all the text and just leave a textless quote to serve as a link?
Post by: Griffionday on June 29, 2013, 01:07:59 pm
Spoiler: tonnes of stuff that probably should be edited down (click to show/hide)
He is just acting natural and is a grump, now time for me to go pay attention to someone who isn't Dar~” Trying to look natural when attacking someone wile presenting no content… seeing as this is the replacement of your scumbuddy of course you would avoid starting a real case on them.1. Ever heard of a vigilante? An asteroid of death comes to mind. How about a cop? Maybe a doctor? All of these roles would theoretically require you to know the house number of your target. You'd either want to find out who to target or learn who's house to avoid. My point is that there are myriad reasons for town to attempt to find out the numbers of other people. Scum also have incentive to do so of course, but in no way is this a scumtell.
2. You literally state (looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy.”) How is this point not reliant on Nerjin being scum?
3. Ranger clearly wasn't getting it. Someone had to point it out to him. I believe this is still a valuable example of when Daruish contributed, and the fact that you completely blew by it without anything to say other then casually labeling it fluff shows complete close-mindedness at best, and downright scumminess at worst. Do you see yourself as having a completely bias attitude towards Dariush?
4. You are and have made up various reasons for why Cado would of done the things he did. The fact is, those weren't his reasons. He explained his reasons, and these weren't it. So no, your excuses for why Cado did things weren't valid. I never once considered your explanations for his actions valid. Does that make me scum?
6. Your question was literally, "How scummy do you find Guardsmen?" You asked this BEFORE Gaurdsmen ever posted. I have a question for you. How scummy did you find Guardsmen before he ever posted?
7. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!! DO YOU NEED A THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF IG'S POSTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS PLAYING BAD?
8. So... It's a scumtell to attack weak players? Also, Do you disagree with anything specific in that post? It looks like a general attack on Dariush, with nothing to do with the actual post. And why did you never mention catch 22 in your first explanation, if that was your "main complaint"?
9. Okay. Explain to me how that makes him scum.
10. What incentive would that be?
11. Agreed. How about "leading a bandwagon"?
Post by: Dariush on June 29, 2013, 01:25:16 pm
Dariush: Why no extend request?I was half-asleep when making that post and forgot about the possibility to do so. -_-
Ford, consider choosing house #5 tonight. Pretty much everyone who isn't a scumass like Birdy has posted without claiming, so it can be reasonably assumed that no town live there.
Wut. Why did you copy GP's post?
Post by: Griffionday on June 29, 2013, 01:31:58 pm
Post by: Dariush on June 29, 2013, 01:46:25 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 29, 2013, 01:46:53 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
1. Ever heard of a vigilante? An asteroid of death comes to mind. How about a cop? Maybe a doctor? All of these roles would theoretically require you to know the house number of your target. You'd either want to find out who to target or learn who's house to avoid. My point is that there are myriad reasons for town to attempt to find out the numbers of other people. Scum also have incentive to do so of course, but in no way is this a scumtell.I wasn't really thinking from this perspective. I was thinking from the perspective of a vanilla town having no reason to want to come across the bullies at night.
Quote
2. You literally state (looks more like you trying to say “nerjin is scum, but I’m not going to really pay any attention to him because he is my scum buddy.”) How is this point not reliant on Nerjin being scum?I am looking at inconsistencies. Like I said, one of the two is definitely scum and watching Dariush brush off nerjin seems scummy. Even if they weren't scumbuddies, he might have seen him as a target that would result in drawing to much attention to himself. (I think that made sense.)
Quote
3. Ranger clearly wasn't getting it. Someone had to point it out to him. I believe this is still a valuable example of when Daruish contributed, and the fact that you completely blew by it without anything to say other then casually labeling it fluff shows complete close-mindedness at best, and downright scumminess at worst. Do you see yourself as having a completely bias attitude towards Dariush?Completely bias? I might be a little bit persuaded by my own arguments but I don't see any real bias. The thing is, I don't see anything making him look any less scummy and the fact that he refuses to respond to the case against him is super scummy. So while I might have "convinced myself" through my own case I do not see anything making him less scummy than what I believe.
Quote
4. You are and have made up various reasons for why Cado would of done the things he did. The fact is, those weren't his reasons. He explained his reasons, and these weren't it. So no, your excuses for why Cado did things weren't valid. I never once considered your explanations for his actions valid. Does that make me scum?I would like to refer to something I said before.
Quote
Also, please take into account that these are quotes from the time that it was all happening so while right now we know that ranger wasn't thinking that way at the time we didn't know and Dariush surely saw all the flaws to his attack and the defenses of cado.I feel this is important to how people think. We have the privilege to see where the future events lead, however, we have to also take into account how events looked at the moment of the post. Also, while I do wish you would at least look at my opinions at face value and try to see where I am coming from, you are not more scummy do to these actions.
Quote
6. Your question was literally, "How scummy do you find Guardsmen?" You asked this BEFORE Gaurdsmen ever posted. I have a question for you. How scummy did you find Guardsmen before he ever posted?I found him very scummy because he was the one taking the place of the very scummy nerjin. Another way this question could have been interpreted would be "how scummy do you find nerjin?" however because he had left us by this time that question was not valid.
Quote
7. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!!! DO YOU NEED A THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF IG'S POSTS TO UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS PLAYING BAD?Sorry, I thought this was rhetoric. No, I do not need you, or anyone else, to tell me why IG was a bad player.
Quote
8. So... It's a scumtell to attack weak players? Also, Do you disagree with anything specific in that post? It looks like a general attack on Dariush, with nothing to do with the actual post. And why did you never mention catch 22 in your first explanation, if that was your "main complaint"?Yes, I believe it is a scumtell to attack weak players. Very much so actually. Mafia tend to go after the weakest link so... yeah, I think you understand what I mean. I mentioned catch 22 in separate posts. I don't know where, but I have discussed it before. Also, people skip things, whether it was because I was thinking of other things or I simply felt like it did not need to be mentioned I did not mention it in the post. It's a natural human thing.
Quote
9. Okay. Explain to me how that makes him scum.I'm stating that ranger would have had reasons to raise the bar. The portion of this that makes him scum is how he complained when personally, I found it quite understandable.
Quote
10. What incentive would that be?If scum need to know a house number to NK then they would be guaranteed to kill ranger who was locked up in his house. I see it as the scum has a guaranteed kill on someone who wished to help the town, that is the incentive.
Quote
11. Agreed. How about "leading a bandwagon"?Half and half. Dar led a bandwaggon on someone who seemed to me, simply a weak player. This is scummy because it gives him an easy case and makes him look "heroic". Meanwhile, if someone leads a bandwaggon on a decent player and everyone else just bandwaggons on (which I think is the more common case) then the one leading it isn't scummy.
Deathsword, I will get to your points later on today. Sorry.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 30, 2013, 12:20:14 pm
BTW, LS, if you knew that I could help you win all along, why didn't you claim so at the beginning of the day and instead voted me?I didn't think that outing myself as a third party role would be good for my survival chances, particularly after RangerCado's claim. Now that there are others claimed it's less of an issue. I voted you because I wanted to look town-ish at that point and you seemed like the best option.
Post by: Shinigami_King on June 30, 2013, 03:48:05 pm
This is a scum claim!
Now then, LS, NQT and deathsword; the "scum party" realizes that you have different win cons and that both you and mafia can both successfully win. We are proposing that you allow us to lynch town to make the number of mafia and townies even. From this point onward we will no lynch until all third party players have won.
If you do not go through with our idea of compromise we will NK you. (Once we know your house number, which we know for each of you, we can NK more than one person) Please keep in mind that you are not town and as long as you win, there is no reason for you to side with town. We are trying to allow you all to win.
Tiruin. "scum party" has a good idea of you must protect and we will NK this person if you do not follow through.
Ford. I would personally recommend destroying house 12. If you do not do this I think there might be a NK waiting for you down here on earth~
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 05:41:19 pm
> Notices that wording is weird and decidedly not in the natural verse.
> Scum party..wat. So you're like their pawn speaker, huh.
"Hey S_K, what're you doing? Why all the blatant and poor threats designed to persuade people into thinking your way? You do know that bullies are three, and that we're dwindling, aye?
"What's up? Has anything gotten to you? Feel sick? I hope you're doing ok."
Post by: griffinpup on June 30, 2013, 05:56:15 pm
This is a scum claim!Cool stuff. Even claiming scum, your logic sucks.
Now then, LS, NQT and deathsword; the "scum party" realizes that you have different win cons and that both you and mafia can both successfully win. We are proposing that you allow us to lynch town to make the number of mafia and townies even. From this point onward we will no lynch until all third party players have won.The brilliant thing is, LS, NQT, and DS get to trust scum. Not only that, but blindly vote whoever they tell them too, which happens to be the people they need to win, and do this with no guarantee of the scum ever holding up their side of the bargain. Brilliant. Of course, the only other option is to all be instantly night killed, because apparently mafia can kill everyone at one time as long as they know their house numbers. Not only that, but apparently mafia know all your house numbers anyways, you better blindly do as they say and start lynching all the town boys.
If you do not go through with our idea of compromise we will NK you. (Once we know your house number, which we know for each of you, we can NK more than one person) Please keep in mind that you are not town and as long as you win, there is no reason for you to side with town. We are trying to allow you all to win.
Maybe Shinigami_King is a Joker, and is trying to get lynched. Otherwise, scum are stupid? IDK
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 06:05:30 pm
"Humor me. Tell me who my target is."
Hmm, now that I think of it.
Shinigami_King. "Either you've something up your sleeve or you're basically taking one for your team--why're you 'claiming' with appeals to notions that only exist as theoretical notions, and general details which adhere to people's approval? When you say 'All to Win', how is that even possible if those girls have to stick with a town boy, huh?
"What's with all the blank-faced threats? You;re doing in quite everyone [LS, NQT, DS, Tir, Ford] except the rest. So scared on calling out your scumbuddies, huh?"
Post by: ToonyMan on June 30, 2013, 07:14:08 pm
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(5)Shinigami_King - Giffion, Notquitethere, Dariush, Deathsword, Tiruin
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(4)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Birdy51, Leafsnail, Toaster
Day 3 will last until Monday 7/1 at 11 PM EST
...Some of you should think for a minute...
Post by: notquitethere on June 30, 2013, 07:14:59 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on June 30, 2013, 07:24:41 pm
In addition, I don't believe your claim about your nightkill at all. Assuming one person was busy with the nightkill on night one, you could've sent out your other two members to find out two house numbers on that night. You could then triple or at least double kill night 2. Yet you didn't. I seriously doubt that Toony would be in a mechanic that effectively gives the mafia as many kills as it has members, and which can be deferred in order to totally bust lylo.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 30, 2013, 07:32:56 pm
Post by: griffinpup on June 30, 2013, 07:35:25 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 07:35:58 pm
...Some of you should think for a minute..."Hm, intuition speaks. Firstly, I was thinking S_K was setting up some kind of ploy though. Like, something bad going off if he gets lynched (but the only way his intention would be for that is him being scummy scum scum or a third party who is really a jerk.)"
Your offer would be possibly acceptable if your team had some kind of redirector ability, but from the fact you haven't said so I'm guessing it doesn't."Leafsnail, under what case would you go along with the obvious scum claim? Why a redirector?"
No comment about a joker?"That would be stupid and dumb. And very irrational. I don't like it."
Post by: birdy51 on June 30, 2013, 07:40:48 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 07:42:05 pm
Although, it also has no context but the threat of the NK.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 30, 2013, 07:46:05 pm
"Leafsnail, under what case would you go along with the obvious scum claim? Why a redirector?"If scum could help me fulfill my win condition by allowing me to meet a town boy (eg, through use of a redirector), then it would be a reasonable offer. However, they almost certainly don't, so I need town co-operation in order to win.
Incidentally, does anyone know Shinigami_King's number?
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 07:51:41 pm
"That'd be simply astounding. First, you'd have to know where they live. Second, you have to know their alignment. Third, you'd have to know who I'm protecting because damned will I be if scum ever touch ye target."Leafsnail, under what case would you go along with the obvious scum claim? Why a redirector?"If scum could help me fulfill my win condition by allowing me to meet a town boy (eg, through use of a redirector), then it would be a reasonable offer. However, they almost certainly don't, so I need town co-operation in order to win.
"Guess what. If scum all get out of here, we'd still be alive. We'd all win together as nothing hinders our wincon."
Post by: Leafsnail on June 30, 2013, 07:55:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 30, 2013, 08:09:18 pm
I'm pretty sure the game would end with the death of all scum.Hypothetically, if the mafia were to all die right now due to some bizarre natural disaster the town would fulfill their wincon and leave the game, and the game would probably end, yes.
Post by: Leafsnail on June 30, 2013, 08:09:59 pm
Post by: Toaster on June 30, 2013, 08:37:35 pm
Captain Ford (In the sky)
Notquitethere (This group called out by S_K)
Leafsnail
Deathsword
Tiruin
Toaster (Is me and town)
Griffion
Dariush [Claimed Town male]
Zombie Urist
Birdy51
***If*** we are willing to believe S_K, that really narrows down our potential scum team to the last four. Am I missing any claims by them?
Also if town could no longer win, the game would likely win under the "Win when they cannot lose" part of their wincon, so trusting him on that part is silly.
Post by: Teneb on June 30, 2013, 08:44:02 pm
Also ninja'd. I was going to make a list like that.
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 08:46:36 pm
Buddy bro there is a discarded and separated notion, huh. How do you know he's in the Sky right Now?
Captain Ford (In the sky)
Right and even if it didn't there'd be no townies so I couldn't win.What. Really now? No townies, huh.
Toony: Did we do something wrong @ you? :/
PPE:
"I wouldn't discard that notion, however as I've something which could..err, poke on that notion that doesn't make it truly false. Also, Lenglon. Still, I believe the best way is to group up in a house (preferably with me because I've got a nice treat) and fortify that place up.
"And you also discard the notion of Ford being scum, huh. Because of what?"
Post by: Toaster on June 30, 2013, 08:54:24 pm
Post by: Tiruin on June 30, 2013, 09:02:32 pm
Tiruin: I am buying Ford's claim due to the evidence of his lack of silhouette counterclaim and obvious exception to the voting process. I am relatively sure that makes him non-scum. Also, I tend to believe he actually has no alignment and takes the alignment of whomever he housebreaks."I really think someone before here said that they lacked a silhouette..was that DS? Nah, he saw an attacking finger-man. Still, quite busy now but saying what's on my memory.
"Query. Where'd he say that though..and why? That really rings my warning signs. Non-vote, he'd be able to cruise along the early days pre-fall easily. Something quite..well, unfair, compared to the rest of us."
Post by: Toaster on June 30, 2013, 09:26:37 pm
Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?As you can see, I voted Leafsnail not four posts before. So, evidently, I can't. (I actually forgot about it)Tiruin plays with a fluffy dust ball until her eyes focus on Captain Ford.I'm actually unlynchable as well as having no vote. I didn't realize that meant I couldn't be voted at all, but I'm glad because that means the lynch won't be wasted on me.
"Hey, why is it that we can't (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286236;topicseen#msg4286236) vote (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289025;topicseen#msg4289025) for Ford?"
This? He answered your question with it- why'd you miss it?
Post by: ToonyMan on June 30, 2013, 10:37:09 pm
Toony: Did we do something wrong @ you? :/No no, I'm just trying to keep the game seemingly balanced.
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2013, 12:41:38 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 01:15:23 am
Wooork >.>
Say what?Err, I was poking at the lack of silhouette. Found it though,Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King: Why aren't you voting?As you can see, I voted Leafsnail not four posts before. So, evidently, I can't. (I actually forgot about it)Tiruin plays with a fluffy dust ball until her eyes focus on Captain Ford.I'm actually unlynchable as well as having no vote. I didn't realize that meant I couldn't be voted at all, but I'm glad because that means the lynch won't be wasted on me.
"Hey, why is it that we can't (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4286236;topicseen#msg4286236) vote (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289025;topicseen#msg4289025) for Ford?"
This? He answered your question with it- why'd you miss it?
Edit: wait. No I didn't :/
I misread
Tiruin: I am buying Ford's claim due to the evidence of his lack of silhouette counterclaim and obvious exception to the voting process. I am relatively sure that makes him non-scum. Also, I tend to believe he actually has no alignment and takes the alignment of whomever he housebreaks.lacking the bolded part.
That was what my question was pointed at. 'Where'd he say that though..and why?' > lack of silhouette.
Ugh.
Making sure my reads are right..tonight.
@Toaster, why I unvoted you? Through comparison between your claim here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357588;topicseen#msg4357588) and past posts before the day. There's a lot off there, but I can't quite put my finger on it (like role effect? What is that supposed to mean?) and the theory of..changing. Why're you using differential pronouns on NQT if you know his (and I speak in prodding the player and not their role if anyone hasn't noticed yet) silhouette?
...Wait, you only know silhouette. How did you know it belonged to NQT? Why does the tunnel-excuse lead to any reasonable idea of NK--both for Jim(Vector)/Ranger?
Post by: Dariush on July 01, 2013, 02:12:07 am
Toony, requesting all the prods on Birdy.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 02:13:13 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 01, 2013, 02:58:26 am
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 07:44:18 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 08:17:41 am
"ZU-san, Tiruin-sama, a self professed bully is about to be voted out of the school and you want to extend the school day! What, are you hoping people will change their minds about Shinigami-Heika? I oppose extension."*ahem*
"I am working on suspension of belief. Either SHinigami is dead crazy for doing such an act, or he's covering up someone. Perhaps one of the votees, or probably because he may have an ability which affects votes or whatnot.
"The added days would really help as people would be talking. More. And it's only 3:00pm, I mean, look at the sunshine outside. Hey, what's you case on him by the way, NQT-san?"
Post by: Toaster on July 01, 2013, 08:53:08 am
I do know NQT's house and gender. I do not know NQT's silhouette, nor do I know anyone's silhouette. (Besides my own and Ford's claim which I buy.)
I know someone else's house and gender, but I see no value right this second in saying whom.
The comment about tunneling is in regard to survivor behavior- hunt, but not well, to avoid both the lynch and the NK. Plus, tunneling is easy.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 01, 2013, 12:32:25 pm
Toony, requesting all the prods on Birdy.He just posted, like, yesterday!
Vote Count
(1)Griffion - Zombie Urist
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Shinigami_King
(0)Zombie Urist -
(7)Shinigami_King - Giffion, Notquitethere, Dariush, Deathsword, Tiruin, Leafsnail, Toaster
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(2)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Birdy51
Zombie Urist, Tiruin, and Leafsnail have voted for an extension. Notquitethere has opposed the extension. Four more votes of approval are required to extend the Day until Wednesday 7/3 11 PM EST.
Day 3 will last until Monday 7/1 at 11 PM EST or in about 10~ hours
Post by: notquitethere on July 01, 2013, 01:06:59 pm
Post by: Toaster on July 01, 2013, 01:38:49 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 03:47:59 pm
Leafsnail is in house 2.
Deathsword is in house 3
NQT is in house 14
Tiruin is in house 7.
I can guarantee that if you follow "scum party's" plan we can no lynch until all third parties have won. I hope you realize that there only needs to be one male town and he can spend his time alone with each of you night after night. Also, one male is the worst case scenario. This means that even in a worst case scenario of this plan, all third party will win.
I would also like to address the fact that towns cooperation is not necessary do to an ability one of the scum team possesses.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 03:50:42 pm
With scum teams help, town's cooperation is not needed and there is no reason to side with town. You do not win if town wins so there is no real reason to rely on them.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 03:51:20 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 04:31:37 pm
I would also like to address the fact that towns cooperation is not necessary do to an ability one of the scum team possesses.Explain fully.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 04:34:12 pm
Post by: griffinpup on July 01, 2013, 04:46:58 pm
'Gasp'I would also like to address the fact that towns cooperation is not necessary do to an ability one of the scum team possesses.Explain fully.
Don't question the mafia! You know that they can insta-kill you all at the same time right? Of course they haven't used this power ever before, but that in no way means that they don't have that ability. Better to blindly trust scum, and believe everything that they say.
Real post coming later tonight.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 04:54:32 pm
Also leafsnail, I will not elaborate on this because there is no benefit for us if you have this information and do not side with us. I'm laying out everything here. And it so happens that everything is comprised of a lot of good options for third party.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 05:17:14 pm
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2013, 05:29:42 pm
We will eliminate town until there are an equal number of scum and town, then we will no lynch. Then the game can not end until all third parties have won, and the scum team will also win.
I recommend Dariush today.
In addition, with one male townie alive the mafia's win condition would almost certainly trigger and end the game.Lynching all the scum will end the game too.
"ZU-san, Tiruin-sama, a self professed bully is about to be voted out of the school and you want to extend the school day! What, are you hoping people will change their minds about Shinigami-Heika? I oppose extension."Yeah. And you should too.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 05:50:09 pm
In addition, with one male townie alive the mafia's win condition would almost certainly trigger and end the game."You're saying this as if it's a fact. That, and you still haven't explained in full on that terrifying house you've got Leafsnail."
Tiruin: We've gotten disconnected somewhere.
I do know NQT's house and gender. I do not know NQT's silhouette, nor do I know anyone's silhouette. (Besides my own and Ford's claim which I buy.)
I know someone else's house and gender, but I see no value right this second in saying whom.
The comment about tunneling is in regard to survivor behavior- hunt, but not well, to avoid both the lynch and the NK. Plus, tunneling is easy.
...Yes we have. I'm confused muchly.
Tiruin brings up Lenglon's tape recorder and stuffs a new batch of tape into it.
Extend.
I'm the catgirl, who is now a catboy.
Given everything everyone has posted, I think (aside from the bullies*) all the males are town and the females are third party. I *was* a survivor, who was out to find my yarnball which is in one of the houses somewhere. Last night, I got changed into a (cat)boy which also made me town. I don't know who changed me, but it was someone's role effect. I still want to find my yarnball, which now gives me some sort of role power when I do find it.
I'm not sure how I got targeted. I was alone in someone else's house last night when it happened. I can confirm NQT is female, by the way, because I was in his/her house on N1.
*I say this because I have no data to work with on this, so it may be dangerous to extend this assumption to them.
Note- This is also why I tunneled Jim and Ranger so much- I was a survivor trying not to get nightkilled. I still support the Ranger lynch, though.
"So how didn't you know NQT's silhouette?"
I live in house 5 and I am a member of the scumteam."Pretty nice given how horrendous your play was. You will not cow us into submission, you stupid meaniehead.
"You want to hurt people? You want to give such a baldfaced lie that people will be persuaded? The gall of it all disgusts me. You think we're lacking in smarts as to follow our wincon and let the innocent perish at your hands, just because you've become a victim to immaturity and outright bullying?
"I cannot see why, or how you would make sense in your plan. Nor why do you think it would work given the sheer obviousness that while you and your allies still draw breath in our school; we're all at harm.
"You are [STUPID]. You want to win by threats? Empty as they are, I am no traitor to my word. Despicable tactics. Ruination.
"Just get out zombie urist. I've been wondering why Shinigami would stoop so low as to claim such, but it is obvious he's allied with you--his antics confirm what I've been suspecting ever since the first day.
"And I believe you're both allied with either Toaster or Leafsnail. Preferably the latter judging by his scary house. The third one is always in hiding. Why did you claim?"
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2013, 06:25:53 pm
Toony, requesting all the prods on Birdy.
Toony, requesting all the prods on Birdy.He just posted, like, yesterday!
It's justified though. I just returned from a conference and was busier than normal today, so I am still trying to wrap my head around all of these developments.
I will also Extend, so I have time to get back into this.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 06:29:35 pm
"Come on people! Don't fall for the obvious trap! They're baiting us. They're using the obvious notion of their combined knowledge against ours! What happened to the good sense of logic here?
"They are three, we are alone. Yet we are combined, right now! Here!
"Either request the principal to extend the time until 7pm or we're doomed at dusk...
"C'mon you guys..don't tell me the class I've used to love has become all self-centered now.."
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2013, 06:32:38 pm
Unless you totally lied about your wincon this should allow you to win too. We'll just avoid killing the dude you need to protect.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 06:38:45 pm
I recommend Dariush today.If Dariush dies then I will not co-operate with you under any circumstance. And again, I need you to explain exactly how you intend to allow third parties to win if they co-operate with you, considering the fact that townies could all clump together in one house and make it impossible to spend a night alone with any of them. Otherwise I'm pretty sure our best option is to just kill off the claimed scum and pair up with townies.
Lynching all the scum will end the game too.The game potentially ending is not really an issue when I have town co-operation. It's much more of an issue if the townies are actively mobilizing to make it impossible for third parties to win. Shinigami_King claims he has a way to avoid this issue, but the fact that neither he nor you have explained what that way is leads me to think that not such way exists, and you intend to use third parties to gain a stranglehold on the vote then leave them high and dry.
"You're saying this as if it's a fact. That, and you still haven't explained in full on that terrifying house you've got Leafsnail."It's a reasonable inference, and I don't think there's any need to "explain" a minor quirk of flavour. In any case, the game has moved on a lot since then and your theories simply do not make sense in light of the recent claims.
Post by: notquitethere on July 01, 2013, 06:43:33 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 06:46:50 pm
"Your 'plan' prods at the seeming majority wincondition which you attribute to being a third-party, or non town--which in this case confers to someone who wants the Mafia out.
"Well, let me tell you one thing. Guess my wincondition. It is similar in theoretical sorts to a townie.
"And even then, despite my role and my identity, what you're doing is dumb. It is despicable; a low form of persuasion that nobody with any good intent in communication would stoop to.
"You rely on the voucher of information to get them to side with you. I rely on my own wits to solve the crime, friend. The world isn't cookies and milk, that far I've known. It is a much harsher reality than that.
"And you will not win it with your lies."
PPE Leafsnail.
"It doesn't make sense in the way that you've made someone who was either visiting your house faint due to how horrifying a Class Representative organizes his work, huh. The only two ways of acknowledging his act was either to note it, or deny it. The latter is what I'm aiming for.""You're saying this as if it's a fact. That, and you still haven't explained in full on that terrifying house you've got Leafsnail."It's a reasonable inference, and I don't think there's any need to "explain" a minor quirk of flavour. In any case, the game has moved on a lot since then and your theories simply do not make sense in light of the recent claims.
PPE NQT.
Gah PPEs :I
"Ooh, if we're being all honest for a moment, was the scumteam responsible for Leafsnail-san's house being so goshdarned scary?""...What do you see in Leafsnail's reply?"
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2013, 07:09:35 pm
We have a redirector who can redirect people entering a house to 3 different houses. NQT experienced this N1. If for example all town try to go to house 2, we can redirect them to 3, 4, 5.I recommend Dariush today.If Dariush dies then I will not co-operate with you under any circumstance. And again, I need you to explain exactly how you intend to allow third parties to win if they co-operate with you, considering the fact that townies could all clump together in one house and make it impossible to spend a night alone with any of them. Otherwise I'm pretty sure our best option is to just kill off the claimed scum and pair up with townies.
"Ooh, if we're being all honest for a moment, was the scumteam responsible for Leafsnail-san's house being so goshdarned scary?"I bullied Solifuge in house 2 last night. On an unrelated note, Solifuge summoned Maid to try to fight me off, but she failed. I'm not too familiar with the media but it the maid thing looked like a touhou thing.
Tiruin I have no idea what you're getting at.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 07:11:55 pm
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2013, 07:16:04 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 07:17:32 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 07:41:19 pm
I would still like people to extend and think things over.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 07:47:03 pm
Then we'll keep no lynching until you all match up.This, zombie urist.
This is what I'm getting at.
You're appealing to us to help you win, because you know you can't while hiding under the guise of ignorance and spurning us with the tail of information.
Extend this already.
"As long as I breathe, I will not see you win. And even then, you will not make a win out of this using cheap tactics.
"I am severely disappointed, zombie urist. Same to you, Shinigami."
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 07:51:19 pm
We have a fixed number of bully actions per night. Also, we can redirect people to the "immobile dude" so that is no problem.No you can't, at least not in a reasonable timeframe.
ToonyMan: Are there any tie-breaker measures in this game? For instance, if nobody died for 5 day/night cycles, would something happen to break the stalemate?
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 07:56:11 pm
Post by: Griffionday on July 01, 2013, 08:19:51 pm
Another gaping hole in you logic Shini: town boys can just stay home; causing your redirect not to work... in other words, you aren't capable of fulfilling your promises.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 01, 2013, 08:21:04 pm
Post by: Toaster on July 01, 2013, 08:24:34 pm
Good, someone else to lynch.
For the record, I can confirm that NQT is female and living in house 14, and ZU is male and living in house 5. Those are the two houses I visited. Neither time was anyone else in there. It was at ZU's house that I was man-ified.
ZU: Did your team bend my gender?
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 08:26:22 pm
Day has been extended! Though I do still encourage extensions just to be on the same side :P
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 08:28:18 pm
Post by: Griffionday on July 01, 2013, 08:46:41 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2013, 08:54:20 pm
First things first. This whole evil third party business smells of bullshit. I simply cannot see the logic behind it.
Second, I think we should keep or eyes forward and focus on the main goal. We win when the scum is gone. All of *this* simply overcomplicates that simple mission. Tonight we should get rid of Shinigami King. Tomorrow, we expel Zombie Urist.
Post by: Toaster on July 01, 2013, 08:57:17 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 01, 2013, 09:13:52 pm
Birdy: Two claimed scum does not excuse you from content.
Forgive me, but I haven't exactly been around long enough to write anything substantial for you. Work and family has cut down my ability to play significantly.
But regardless of what you consider quality, I stated my opinion on what we have to do next.
Worrying about all the other crap is absolutely foolish. Why the hell are we putting so much attention on what scum has said? We cannot verify anything that they are saying to be truthful. At best, it's WIFOM. I have maintained the opinion for a long time that third-parties are not a threat, and I stand by that again now.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 09:16:02 pm
Day, I don't know what a bussing ability is :\
Post by: griffinpup on July 01, 2013, 09:26:26 pm
Their almighty goal... Make town not win.
How do they go about this? By attempting to convince third-party roles to vote as they say. In exchange for making Mafia win, Scum offers to no-lynch when there's equal mafia and town until all of the third-parties complete their wincon. Obviously mafia can just break their word at the end of the game, and kill all the town players, either by lynching them or night-killing them. This turns exceptionally easy if mafia have the power they claim, which is the ability of every mafia member to kill someone. So when the teams are equal, BAM! Kill all the town at night, and instantly win the game. But the only problem with this plan is how to convince third party to trust you. You start with offering the fulfillment of their wincon, as without this they would never help you. But realizing that empty promises probably won't float their boat, you decided to also threaten them into submission by threatening to night kill them. Of course you never would night kill them, seeing as they actually have no effect on your own wincon. It would be inefficient to misuse a night kill on someone other then town.
So my main issues:
Their threats against third-party are completely empty, as it would make no sense to kill anyone BUT town.
The scumteam keeps on claiming abilities as the situation requires, and as they get more desperate. First they claim to be able to kill lots of people at once, and now they're claiming to have redirect abilities.
There is no reason whatsoever for the scum team to hold up their end of the bargain.
Also, Shinigami's posts are starting to reek of desperation.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 10:07:13 pm
I'm really wondering why in the world they're coming up with the plan. And..doing that.
New loophole: They has redirecter. Who're we lynching?
Post by: ToonyMan on July 01, 2013, 10:09:26 pm
ToonyMan: Are there any tie-breaker measures in this game? For instance, if nobody died for 5 day/night cycles, would something happen to break the stalemate?If a situation like that happens I'll probably do something. I doubt that situation will happen.
Vote Count
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(2)Dariush - Shinigami_King, Zombie Urist
(0)Zombie Urist -
(8)Shinigami_King - Giffion, Notquitethere, Dariush, Deathsword, Tiruin, Leafsnail, Toaster, Birdy
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(1)Not Voting: Captain Ford
Day 3 will last until Wednesday 7/3 at 11 PM EST
I have to admit this is a pretty amazing vote count. Also, TWO mafia claims in the same day, what a surprise!!
As a forward announcement I'll be away for a week starting on July 6th. I have no idea what to do at that time if there's no internet access. Letting another MOD substitute sounds impossible so I'll likely have to let the game run an extra week. For that reason I would really prefer if the day ends by Wednesday so I can process the Night as soon as possible. That way Day 4 can be run while I'm away in the worst case.
Post by: zombie urist on July 01, 2013, 10:16:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 01, 2013, 10:17:32 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 10:24:47 pm
As a forward announcement I'll be away for a week starting on July 6th. I have no idea what to do at that time if there's no internet access. Letting another MOD substitute sounds impossible so I'll likely have to let the game run an extra week. For that reason I would really prefer if the day ends by Wednesday so I can process the Night as soon as possible. That way Day 4 can be run while I'm away in the worst case.Yus. :I
Umm... are Griffinpup and Griffionday allowed to both play at once?"No comment on what I'm saying to you, huh?"
PPE Toony!
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 01, 2013, 11:10:20 pm
This is (imo) the most interesting toon mafia played so far.
Toaster, I just took a look at your picture and it is the best thing ever.
Dariush. I can't believe you never responded to the damn case! WTF!
I'll post something with content tomorrow. I'm busy for the rest of the night. Yay Canada day hoot hoot hoot.
Post by: Tiruin on July 01, 2013, 11:17:29 pm
I'm going to take an aside for a moment and just point out a few things way less serious than what is going on....That's way less serious. Yeah.
[...]
Dariush. I can't believe you never responded to the damn case! WTF!
Toaster, I just took a look at your picture and it is the best thing ever.
Spoiler: Toasters are always awesome. (click to show/hide)
"So are you going to answer those questions presented to you, Shinigami-san, or shall I bash your head in with Grimoire Nier? Regardless, why did you claim anyway? Let's be civil with this.
"Ah, I forgot. You said you know who I'm protecting; that I am someone's ward. Who was that again? The tiny tidbit slipped my memory.
"Though if you knew who he is, you would've taken him out already, eh?"
Post by: Dariush on July 02, 2013, 02:47:33 am
New loophole: They has redirecter. Who're we lynching?Lynch redirect? That's something new. And quite overpowered. I mean, turning anyone into a semi-jester for a day? That would just hand scum the LYLO on a platter.
If anyone has a jailkeeper-like ability, right now would be a damn good time to claim. We lynch SK, Ford murdercrashes into ZU and if somehow contrary to all logic expelling bullies will lead to girls looking for sex tragically not find said sex we jail Birdy (who, in case anybody didn't notice, is the only remaining player whose alignment was hitherto unknown) each night until all third parties win.
Also, this is the second game in a row (not counting BMs) where scum have claimed. What the fuck has the meta on this subforum turned into.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 02, 2013, 08:32:48 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 02, 2013, 10:12:41 am
Sounds pretty good. I think it would be in the interests of both town and the third parties to get the third parties to win ASAP (the third parties get to win and the town removes any lingering possibility of betrayals)."By lynching all bullies. I wonder how you're our class representative with that thinking.
"Because if they can't get allies, they'll just hinder us all. What's your angle there with third-party win first before town, huh?"
Post by: Leafsnail on July 02, 2013, 10:23:09 am
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 02, 2013, 11:13:11 am
Also, about lynching third party. We only need one or two of you so we can lynch some traitors due to them being stubborn. The lynch threat isn't empty~ (I think it was leafsnail who assumed this but I need to let you know, we have a predetermined number of lynches. Not one lynch per mafioso.
Tiruin, I think you can understand that we don't want to say who we think you are protecting because we would prefer to have a "half threat" on you rather than make a mistake and immediately have no threat to you. (if that makes sense.) I claimed because it was an idea brought up in scum chat and I though a gamble would be fun. It all makes perfect sense, the only problem is that all the third parties think that they are pro town... which they are not. They just need to use town and we are offering our hand to help you. The difference between town and mafia is town can offer the carrot. Mafia is offering both the carrot and the stick, meaning, if you except either you will be allowed to win, but you only will get punished if you side with town. So tell me. How is siding with town more beneficial to you than siding with mafia?
As for claiming new abilities... we are pretty much fresh out. I do have another ability but it hasn't been used even once this entire game and I don't think it would be of any use now so yeah, I think you know the premise of the scum abilities and you shouldn't hear any new ones added.
This is a post off of memory so if I missed something, go ahead and let me know.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 02, 2013, 11:14:25 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 02, 2013, 11:24:27 am
"Deathsword-san, Leafsnail-san, why don't we tie the vote until the rest of the school meet our demands? If the 'town' or the bullies win get there way first, we lose out."
Post by: Leafsnail on July 02, 2013, 11:34:07 am
And really, I haven't heard any way the mafia can secure my victory, except for a highly unreliable ability that's probably partially made up anyway In all likelihood, I won't be able to find someone to pair up with before a stalemate busting procedure is activated. It would clearly be much better to just pair up with the townies tonight (we need to organize that though).
Post by: Teneb on July 02, 2013, 11:56:34 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 02, 2013, 12:49:06 pm
Post by: zombie urist on July 02, 2013, 01:03:34 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 02, 2013, 01:05:12 pm
Extend, oppose shorten. The mafia's only chance is to end the day before an agreement is reached.
Post by: griffinpup on July 02, 2013, 01:05:49 pm
Hello...
Post by: griffinpup on July 02, 2013, 01:57:38 pm
Also, about lynching third party. We only need one or two of you so we can lynch some traitors due to them being stubborn. The lynch threat isn't empty~ (I think it was leafsnail who assumed this but I need to let you know, we have a predetermined number of lynches. Not one lynch per mafioso.Well well well... Isn't that interesting?
Apparently, they have a predetermined number of lynches. Also, NOT one lynch per mafiaso.
I said multiple. Not all at the same time. At least I think I did. Pretty much equal to the number of scum.But this quote says otherwise. First you claim that you can Night Kill as many players as you have scum still alive. Now you claim to have a predetermined number of lynches. Nothing to do with mafia members, actually. And of course your reasoning for being able to "spare" a few Night Kills to deal with third party people is completely ridiculous. If you had the Night Kill power you claim to have, you wouldn't need any third party assistance. You could merely Night Kill all of town the first night. The fact that there hasn't been more then one night kill a night only serves to prove that you don't have that power and you're completely lying about all your threats.
Come on guys. The scumteam is absolutely flailing right now. Their "stick" doesn't exist, and their "carrot" involves lynching the only people that can fulfill your wincon.
But let's follow what happens if you do what scum say. You lynch a male town today (Dariush), then they NK a male town tonight. (Griffon) What are you left with? Birdy, who might be a male town? Are you willing to take that risk? Oh ya, and don't forget that after you kill off possibly all the town boys, you have to trust the scum to, not only to not kill you, but to NOT FINISH THEIR OWN WINCON. At that point, there'd be nothing stopping them from merely WINNING THE GAME. How many of you do you think you can finish your wincon in one or two nights with almost all of the town boys dead? All four of you? YA RIGHT. If you side with town, there's plenty of male to go around. It'll take at least two days to kill all of the mafia. By then you'll have ample time to pair up and fulfill your wincon.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 02, 2013, 02:41:08 pm
Toony, If there is a tie between town and mafia and there are a bunch of third parties. Would we assume that each night we would "take 20" so as to not hold up the game and just let the third parties win?
Post by: Tiruin on July 02, 2013, 02:57:55 pm
Shinigami_King.
So the question I have is "why are you siding with town?" It honestly doesn't make sense. :\"..."
Also, about lynching third party. We only need one or two of you so we can lynch some traitors due to them being stubborn. The lynch threat isn't empty~ (I think it was leafsnail who assumed this but I need to let you know, we have a predetermined number of lynches. Not one lynch per mafioso.
Tiruin, I think you can understand that we don't want to say who we think you are protecting because we would prefer to have a "half threat" on you rather than make a mistake and immediately have no threat to you. (if that makes sense.) I claimed because it was an idea brought up in scum chat and I though a gamble would be fun. It all makes perfect sense, the only problem is that all the third parties think that they are pro town... which they are not. They just need to use town and we are offering our hand to help you. The difference between town and mafia is town can offer the carrot. Mafia is offering both the carrot and the stick, meaning, if you except either you will be allowed to win, but you only will get punished if you side with town. So tell me. How is siding with town more beneficial to you than siding with mafia?
As for claiming new abilities... we are pretty much fresh out. I do have another ability but it hasn't been used even once this entire game and I don't think it would be of any use now so yeah, I think you know the premise of the scum abilities and you shouldn't hear any new ones added.
This is a post off of memory so if I missed something, go ahead and let me know.
Tiruin stands up and proceeds to the window, carrying a pocketbook with the title of 'Five Great Tragedies by William Shakespeare.'
"I'd prefer to not comment, but I'd also not like to pass up this opportunity."
She flips to a page of Hamlet.
"And Hamlet said onto Rosencrantz, the courtier. 'There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.' when talking about a prison. A state. An allegory of himself that they fail to get because of their intent.
"Now, Rosencrantz is the character of a spy. Hamlet is a prince, and his own father sends courtiers who use their claimed friendship to gain his confidence. They are used as tools, for the father to watch over the nephew, to keep him in check. To note what, and where his deeds are done.
"But they are found out, and Hamlet is dismayed. He finds he has no allies but someone who most would not expect. Not nobility, as Hamlet was, or even one of their guard, but a poor man who has faced more than any nobleman would. And to him, Hamlet goes. Because he knows that with the courtiers' failure, every move is crucial."
She turns around to look at you in the eye.
"I am no noblewoman. I am no knight. I am no princess who has people at her disposal. I am but a student. A scholar. A learning woman. And I know, in the least, when someone is lying to me and trying to broker my intention. That I would resort to your cheap parlor tricks and games of dice and cards to perhaps 'Win the pot', how you say.
"Hah! Your feet have no purchase on my lands. My house is compromised, yet I am now alone. You say we want to look 'pro-innocent', yet you drop your words that they bleed of your intent."
She flips to another page and brings up a bookmark. On it are figures of a cartoon angel and demon, as well as stylish handwriting in cursive font.
"A warrior knows that an angel and a devil dispute the hand that holds the sword. They say: 'you are going to fail. You are going to miss the right moment. You are afraid.' And he is surprised. Both say the same thing.
"Then the devil continues: "let me help you."
And the angel says: "I’ll help you."
That is when the warrior notices the difference. The words are the same, but the allies are different.
"Now let me say why I'm going into elaborate deconstruction of my words onto you."
> You write a threat. A point in which I would abandon my case and principle, for the notion of a 'win'.
> You forget my own intention, as it is contradictory to yours.
> You lack any sense of targeting. My target can be guessed by the lot of you, and you only state a general fact which is in all sense: intangible, unless I acknowledge it.
Tiruin. "scum party" has a good idea of you must protect and we will NK this person if you do not follow through.
Dear me your grammar. "I shalt protect!"
> Vague, spurious threats."See, the context of my quotes are times wherein a decision must be made. On one hand, there is always the notion of listening to the one that would offer help, something which assumes and gives control to the receiver as to not leave room for contempt. Yet there is the other hand which aids without holding back. Something which you, in you folly, have missed time and time again.
"Somehow, you're giving up you and zombie urist's stay in this school to shadow your third accomplice. Someone you know would be able to hide in this chaos. You offer me the carrot and the stick, yet I do not like carrots on sticks. I prefer them boiled, not caught raw. Not something to dangle and to be eaten like a crude implement.
"You say above as if you know I'm protecting a third-party as denoted by the orange marker. Why have I not given up? Because I know there are innocents. Because I have to protect that one man. That beacon of my salvation. Perhaps even be in his house to ensure it, but I don't doubt his capabilities. He is a good man, through and through.
"And obviously, siding with the good guys is always the more fun choice. I know the premise of your threats; you know the premise of my house.
"Why don't you be a darling and face me like a man, hmm?
"I'd love to know why you're using my ally as bait, and not disclosing his name to all who would hear, along with why. You've your bargaining chip. Bargain. Now."
Come on guys. The scumteam is absolutely flailing right now. Their "stick" doesn't exist, and their "carrot" involves lynching the only people that can fulfill your wincon.*cough* obvious allusion is obvious.
We aren't stupid. No thinking third-party or town would just jump and claim like so--that is ascertain, however why they would is still nebulous. It doesn't make any sense on why they would jump the bridge.
I was poking at the voting pattern before. Who was about to be lynched that would cause this utter catastrophe. Perhaps they claimed to draw fire from him?New loophole: They has redirecter. Who're we lynching?Lynch redirect? That's something new. And quite overpowered. I mean, turning anyone into a semi-jester for a day? That would just hand scum the LYLO on a platter.
This is the first claim. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4363011#msg4363011) This is the votecount before that. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357278#msg4357278)
Toaster: What was your purpose of even finding your ball of yarn (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357588#msg4357588)? I'm still reading over your posts, and post-cat claim, it isn't ringing well with my intuition.
You got changed into a boy which "made you TOWN" from a 'survivor'. Why did you assume scum did it?
You still haven't answered my query to knowing NQT.
Toony, If there is a tie between town and mafia and there are a bunch of third parties. Would we assume that each night we would "take 20" so as to not hold up the game and just let the third parties win?Would we assume that you're flailing enough to ask the mod a really specific situation wherein you expect him to answer that?
Post by: Toaster on July 02, 2013, 03:31:30 pm
Toaster: What was your purpose of even finding your ball of yarn (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4357588#msg4357588)? I'm still reading over your posts, and post-cat claim, it isn't ringing well with my intuition.
You got changed into a boy which "made you TOWN" from a 'survivor'. Why did you assume scum did it?
Finding the yarnball was my wincon, instead of lasting to game end. I just needed to be alive to find it. Now it gives me an unspecified role boost, so if anyone happens to know where it is...
I assume no such thing. I just figured I'd ask them, since they were claiming things.
You still haven't answered my query to knowing NQT.
*sigh* Yes I did.
Tiruin: We've gotten disconnected somewhere.
I do know NQT's house and gender. I do not know NQT's silhouette, nor do I know anyone's silhouette. (Besides my own and Ford's claim which I buy.)
I know someone else's house and gender, but I see no value right this second in saying whom.
I know this because
I can confirm NQT is female, by the way, because I was in his/her house on N1.
Post by: Tiruin on July 02, 2013, 03:42:34 pm
Finding the yarnball was my wincon, instead of lasting to game end. I just needed to be alive to find it. Now it gives me an unspecified role boost, so if anyone happens to know where it is..."I doubt we'll be able to know its in our houses. Not in 7, at least...Unless I somehow have a magical yarnball.
"Why can't you just buy one in the store? Yes this is a serious question."
...
"I mean about missing the silhouette. That was my query. It's just there, back a few pages."
Post by: Toaster on July 02, 2013, 03:48:48 pm
Because it's MY yarnball.
I missed it because no one was home. No person there, no silhouette.
Post by: zombie urist on July 02, 2013, 11:48:25 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 02, 2013, 11:59:08 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 12:01:37 am
I will also be gone starting from July 4th all the way until the 6th.Wherein you ignore my latest set of questions.
That's just rude. Have fun though.
Toaster, though you are town, postponing the lynching and doing no-lynches would help you find your yarnball as well. Though I can't say that I have seen it :\Tiruin seethes.
"Lies! Lynch the liar. It won't make any difference."
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 12:21:55 am
"...I'm...it makes sense.
So you know it is NQT's house. And his role gender. But he's not home.
I'm guessing you've an Examine type ability, huh. This backs up NQT's claim of going to other houses 'systematically' and your own claim of searching for the McYarnBall. Oh, and I'll fathom a guess on that other person. He's a boy, isn't he?
Anyway, have you asked for the idea of homes and entry?"
@Shinigami: What, no comment to me anymore? Nothing?
Like answering why you're trying to help 'third-party' people?
Post by: Dariush on July 03, 2013, 03:32:15 am
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 04:33:41 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 04:57:45 am
Goodness what has this class become..
Post by: Dariush on July 03, 2013, 05:05:22 am
So now you're admitting to be an SK, huh Leafsnail.Your stupidity hurts my brain.
Goodness what has this class become..
The actual thing we should be doing is arranging how to get rid of all the third parties tonight.Then do so. My role for the night has been decided - sit home and have sex with any passers-by. Now it's time for the third parties to shine and ensure their own win, but they apparently prefer to waste their time speaking with claimed scum.
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 05:06:01 am
The actual thing we should be doing is arranging how to get rid of all the third parties tonight.Read that again Dar.
Post by: Teneb on July 03, 2013, 09:21:06 am
He meant by causing all third parties to complete their wincon and thus leave the game. If a town boy could leave his house tonight, that would be great.The actual thing we should be doing is arranging how to get rid of all the third parties tonight.Read that again Dar.
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 03, 2013, 10:38:08 am
Post by: Toaster on July 03, 2013, 01:17:31 pm
postponing the lynching
How would that work?
Also, why would I want to find the yarn ball in opposition to lynching scum?
Tiruin:
Oh, and I'll fathom a guess on that other person.
Thank you for confirming you aren't reading my posts.
For the record, I can confirm that NQT is female and living in house 14, and ZU is male and living in house 5. Those are the two houses I visited. Neither time was anyone else in there. It was at ZU's house that I was man-ified.
Leafsnail: If you want to coordinate the nookie tonight, why aren't you doing so? Do we even have a list of people who need visits/to visit? If not, I'll go visit some random house tonight and hope there's a female.
Post by: notquitethere on July 03, 2013, 03:06:19 pm
Post by: Toaster on July 03, 2013, 03:18:05 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 03, 2013, 03:56:06 pm
I am all for planning, but doing so openly might be dangerous. We can arrange meetings, but that doesn't mean that things will magically go according to plan. Therefore, I'd rather Shorten as well and get the night started. I have already made up my mind about what I need to do tonight.
Post by: Teneb on July 03, 2013, 04:33:33 pm
Toaster: Would you be willing to give your house number so I can redirect you to my house (which is 3, by the way)?
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 05:18:28 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 05:19:22 pm
Tiruin:"Thank you too, for that answer.Oh, and I'll fathom a guess on that other person.
Thank you for confirming you aren't reading my posts.For the record, I can confirm that NQT is female and living in house 14, and ZU is male and living in house 5. Those are the two houses I visited. Neither time was anyone else in there. It was at ZU's house that I was man-ified.
"I did read your post, but then was watching if it matched up with what you saw earlier. On ZU. The timing and all that."
Though I liked your quotes Tiruin I felt like there was no nead to try to convince you anymore because you are quite against the idea of teaming up with scum. I thought a better use of my time could be spent on people like LS, NQT and Toaster. However, this claim didn't successfully achieve what we wanted so I'll vote for shorten GG"If you were anything less than devious, you would've pieced that together when I said I had someone to protect. Wouldn't you.
"Because you're using the past tense. You were trying, and of course you say words right, but this tape recorder copies its lettering. Nice try on that conscience of yours to misspell Need.
"Hey, tell me one thing. How're you even going to help Toaster find his yarnball, huh? Pretty obvious attempt, but this also proves one thing.
"People will lose the game if scum lose without fulfilling their 'objectives'. Seems like Leafsnail is also on that notion judging by how he wants to out all third parties."
This differs by saying 'leave his house' as opposed to 'visit town boy's house and achieve wincon!'He meant by causing all third parties to complete their wincon and thus leave the game. If a town boy could leave his house tonight, that would be great.The actual thing we should be doing is arranging how to get rid of all the third parties tonight.Read that again Dar.
Very much. PS: I'm a third party.
I'm not unfriendly to chicks who want to have sex tonight. Preferably two. ;D:o
"Why are you all implying procreation..."
Mod: Could you please prod Ford? Also, what happens if a player is target of two redirects in the same night?"Why do you want Toaster?"
Toaster: Would you be willing to give your house number so I can redirect you to my house (which is 3, by the way)?
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 05:30:55 pm
Quote from: Tiruin link=topic=125058.msg4372509#msg4372509
Because my role and flavor I,plies procreation.I'm not unfriendly to chicks who want to have sex tonight. Preferably two. ;D:o
"Why are you all implying procreation..."
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 05:37:12 pm
"Explicitly?"Quote from: Tiruin link=topic=125058.msg4372509#msg4372509Because my role and flavor I,plies procreation.I'm not unfriendly to chicks who want to have sex tonight. Preferably two. ;D:o
"Why are you all implying procreation..."
Post by: ToonyMan on July 03, 2013, 05:37:44 pm
Mod: Could you please prod Ford? Also, what happens if a player is target of two redirects in the same night?I'll send a prod. If two redirects happen together I'll roll which one gets picked.
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 05:43:10 pm
Implicitly. But what other meaning does spending the night together have?"Explicitly?"Quote from: Tiruin link=topic=125058.msg4372509#msg4372509Because my role and flavor I,plies procreation.I'm not unfriendly to chicks who want to have sex tonight. Preferably two. ;D:o
"Why are you all implying procreation..."
Post by: ToonyMan on July 03, 2013, 05:48:46 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Zombie Urist
(0)Zombie Urist -
(8)Shinigami_King - Giffion, Notquitethere, Dariush, Deathsword, Tiruin, Leafsnail, Toaster, Birdy
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(2)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Shinigami_King
Zombie Urist, Dariush, Shinigami_King, and Birdy have requested for a shorten. Three more requests are needed to uh...keep the deadline for today at 11PM EST since I'm not shortening the day anymore.
Leafsnail has requested for an extension but all it's doing right now is cancelling out a shorten request. Eight more extend requests are required to extend the day to Friday 7/5 at 11PM EST.
You can't oppose and request something at the same time so I'm only going to count requests.
Day 3 will last until Wednesday 7/3 at 11 PM EST
Also, staying together for the night is not sex! It's proactive recreation!
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 05:50:22 pm
:-\Implicitly. But what other meaning does spending the night together have?"Explicitly?"Quote from: Tiruin link=topic=125058.msg4372509#msg4372509Because my role and flavor I,plies procreation.I'm not unfriendly to chicks who want to have sex tonight. Preferably two. ;D:o
"Why are you all implying procreation..."
Well, from what I mean when someone asks me if we could spend the night together it goes along:
Spoiler: This. (click to show/hide)
PPE:
Also, staying together for the night is not sex! It's proactive recreation!"HAH! Word of Principal."
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 05:51:42 pm
Leafsnail: If you want to coordinate the nookie tonight, why aren't you doing so? Do we even have a list of people who need visits/to visit? If not, I'll go visit some random house tonight and hope there's a female.I thought that I'd give them a chance to since it seems to be the best option for everyone, but I assumed it would be best if other people arranged the deal, considering that I don't really have anything to do with it at all and the fact that everyone distrusts a plan made by me nowadays. I'm really not sure why the responsibility for arranging this falls on me, but:
I can go to Dariush's house and meet him (as previously discussed)
You (Toaster) can go to NQT's house and meet him
griffinpup can go to Deathsword's house and meet him
How's that sound? The mafia could spitekill, but they'd doom themselves to a loss if they do. Their only (very slim) chance of victory at this point would be to go after a townie tonight. ZU kindly posted up the relevant house numbers upthread (other than Dariush which I know myself).
The other thing I really want to know is what Captain Ford intends to do, since that's pretty important. I assume he'll hit ZU since otherwise he's obviously working in an anti-town way, but I'd rather at least hear from him again to confirm.
Incidentally, note that both confirmed mafia members, and the third likely mafia member, are all voting shorten. Shorten is not a thing townies want.
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 05:53:14 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 06:03:20 pm
@Tiruin: I don't know what you're talking about. I should be able to prove I'm not an SK by disappearing tonight though!Get rid of all third parties is what I assumed, because I'm a third party. I've no idea how you'll want to get rid of me other than ensuring my target lives.
And Toaster's yarnball.
...I'm still suspicious of your terrifying house, but working only on memory from what I've read because I'm dead busy today :/
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 06:06:42 pm
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 06:10:30 pm
Wait what? You had overnight sleepovers at a guy's house alone while you were in high-school?:-\Implicitly. But what other meaning does spending the night together have?"Explicitly?"Quote from: Tiruin link=topic=125058.msg4372509#msg4372509Because my role and flavor I,plies procreation.I'm not unfriendly to chicks who want to have sex tonight. Preferably two. ;D:o
"Why are you all implying procreation..."
Well, from what I mean when someone asks me if we could spend the night together it goes along:Spoiler: This. (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 06:35:34 pm
I had overnight sleepovers with friends when I was in highschool, even in elementary.
...I'm guessing you find it different?
Save it for after game. :p
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 06:35:45 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 06:39:02 pm
Post by: Toaster on July 03, 2013, 07:14:27 pm
I'd rather go see Deathsword than NQT on the off chance he has my yarn ball. Is NQT's house number public info?
Post by: birdy51 on July 03, 2013, 07:18:23 pm
Like, seriously how could you look at a thing two confirmed mafia members are doing and think "Yes, that's a thing that is in my interests as a townie"
Outlining a plan is a double edged sword for the Town.
While it may help you Third-Parties and confirm players, it fosters a nest for the possibility for Mafia interference. It's dangerous to assume that talking it all out will solve every problem.
On the subject of HS visiting...
I don't quite find the concept of staying overnight for a sleepover either. For instance, my own group of friends lodged at a person's house after our Prom Night and all had breakfast in the morning. At college, I've had two of my female friends stay at my dorm room because they were nice enough to visit and didn't want to drive. They brought cookies!
Earlier than that though, I was always going to a friends house and sleeping over. Mostly, it was an excuse to play video games past two in the morning. :P
Now, on the subject of a lone woman staying at a man's house or vice versa, I might raise an eyebrow but I wouldn't question it. Nor would my mind immediately jump to sex. There are too many different backgrounds to consider. I think people are allowed to be "just friends".
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 07:25:25 pm
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 07:41:49 pm
Now, on the subject of a lone woman staying at a man's house or vice versa, I might raise an eyebrow but I wouldn't question it. Nor would my mind immediately jump to sex. There are too many different backgrounds to consider. I think people are allowed to be "just friends".Totally agreed. But a lone woman staying the night with a man she doesn't even know the name of? Regardless, m flavor seems more one-night-stand then just friends.
Oh, and Turuin, where do you live?
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 08:04:14 pm
While it may help you Third-Parties and confirm players, it fosters a nest for the possibility for Mafia interference. It's dangerous to assume that talking it all out will solve every problem.This is clear from the fact that both claimed mafia members are frantically trying to extend the day and block shorten requests. Oh wait no you're just mafia.
Post by: birdy51 on July 03, 2013, 08:10:35 pm
While it may help you Third-Parties and confirm players, it fosters a nest for the possibility for Mafia interference. It's dangerous to assume that talking it all out will solve every problem.This is clear from the fact that both claimed mafia members are frantically trying to extend the day and block shorten requests. Oh wait no you're just mafia.
It appears like you've made a verbal slip here my good man. The Zombie Urist and Shinigami are trying to shorten the day, not extend it.
Is there something on your mind you would like to share with all of us?
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 08:35:05 pm
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 08:44:02 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 09:09:08 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on July 03, 2013, 09:10:43 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 09:49:16 pm
Philippines.Now, on the subject of a lone woman staying at a man's house or vice versa, I might raise an eyebrow but I wouldn't question it. Nor would my mind immediately jump to sex. There are too many different backgrounds to consider. I think people are allowed to be "just friends".Totally agreed. But a lone woman staying the night with a man she doesn't even know the name of? Regardless, m flavor seems more one-night-stand then just friends.
Oh, and Turuin, where do you live?
Spoiler: Err, this is OOC about the matter. (click to show/hide)
Helpful hint: If I ever say "Oh wait no" in the middle of a post it doesn't mean I've suddenly changed my mind and declined to edit the earlier part of my post to reflect that. It means the preceding sentence was sarcastic.The Ohwaitno came off to me as a cue of emphasis other than sarcasm..
...I don't think I'll be around for day end due to tons of work at this point in time. Thursdays.
Post by: griffinpup on July 03, 2013, 09:55:11 pm
Let me reiterate my point, you useless bag of spit. I GOT THAT YOU WERE BEING SARCASTIC!!! That clear enough for you? What you did do wrong was muddy your point by your idiotic use of sarcasm. You then end your short post by a blatant accusation of Birdy being mafia. You do this with no proof, and no expansion on said point. The part you quoted actually came from a post that brought up a good point about not being able to talk about our plans openly. Of course you wouldn't want to address this in your post, but merely try to draw suspicion onto birdy with no substance backing up your claims.While it may help you Third-Parties and confirm players, it fosters a nest for the possibility for Mafia interference. It's dangerous to assume that talking it all out will solve every problem.This is clear from the fact that both claimed mafia members are frantically trying to extend the day and block shorten requests. Oh wait no you're just mafia.
Post by: Tiruin on July 03, 2013, 10:00:58 pm
My only basis lies on his terrifying house despite being a Class Representative.
Leafsnail: Birdy is scum because..he shortened? His reasoning seems reasonable--Dariush also voiced his notes on Shortening as he saw nothing else but conversation-conversation.
griffinpup I totally confused the posts before this that you and birdy are the same person and I've no idea how that works despite you having an avatar. >.> Still, why're you getting worked up on something pointed at birdy?
...EBWOP > Spoiler.
I still don't understand that weird part about sleepovers in highschool...
Post by: ToonyMan on July 03, 2013, 10:04:38 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Leafsnail -
(0)Captain Ford -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Zombie Urist
(0)Zombie Urist -
***(8)Shinigami_King - Giffion, Notquitethere, Dariush, Deathsword, Tiruin, Leafsnail, Toaster, Birdy***
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(2)Not Voting: Captain Ford, Shinigami_King
Ending day post coming up...
Post by: ToonyMan on July 03, 2013, 10:21:51 pm
"In spite of our constant REASON and LOGIC you fail to see the benefit we possess!" A student in the crowd (a sympathizer clearly) nods in agreement but stays subdued in part because of the atmosphere and in part because double lynches aren't a thing.
"For revenge, we'll win, oh yes, we'll win." Shinigami gleamed.
As she left the room, soon to be the town, she thought to herself, "Damn, I should have wore my lucky goggles."
Tsundere-san (mafia girl) has been expelled! House 13 has been evicted! Because I'm a nice guy I'll say a yarn ball has been dislocated into another house.
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Night 3 will last until Friday 7/5 at 11 PM EST Send in your actions before then.
EDIT:
Captain Ford hasn't been on recently. I'm not sure what to do if the deadline comes up and he's still not around. All of my replacements are filled too hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 05, 2013, 08:21:43 pm
This maybe wouldn't matter as much (I would have Ford none for the night), but this is the one night that yeah, he can't really miss it.
So if I don't have internet for the next week I'll just leave everything as it is right now and see if Ford gives me their action by next week. In case he doesn't I would like if anybody could replace him to at least do this one thing.
If I do have internet then none of this matters. I would probably figure something out for Ford.
People can post in the thread if they want to give suggestions or be a replacement, but nothing ingame-related.
Post by: birdy51 on July 05, 2013, 08:26:37 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 05, 2013, 08:39:23 pm
Try PM'ing Ford or any other person possible to replace back in![/suggestion]
Post by: Shinigami_King on July 05, 2013, 10:24:17 pm
:'(Sniff... all I wanted was to finally get you to notice me :-[... AND NOW LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED YOU STUPID HEAD! >:(...
I didn't want to be a bully :-\... BUT I GUESS THAT DOESN'T MATTER NOW HUH?! >:(
Hmph, "A JOB WELL DONE" indeed...
GRRRMMMMM!!!
Post by: Dariush on July 06, 2013, 11:56:43 am
Post by: ToonyMan on July 13, 2013, 02:40:34 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 15, 2013, 08:18:09 am
In other news, Leafsnail-san has disappeared. Witnesses spotted her house turning into a giant heart and floating away.
Nothing else happened.
Captain Ford as Space Cosmonaut-san (town girl) has been mod-killed!
Leafsnail as Class Rep (third-party girl) has been saved in the power of true love!
Leafsnail-san has won! House 2 has
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Day 4 has begun!
Day 4 will last until Thursday 7/18 at 11 PM EST
Post by: Leafsnail on July 15, 2013, 08:38:18 am
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2013, 08:40:08 am
I went to House 3 last night, but was redirected to House 4. Someone else was there. I'm not sure I see the value right this minute identifying this person, gender, and calling out the silhouette of the other person I saw at this point, though.
Post by: notquitethere on July 15, 2013, 09:01:30 am
"The school knows who the bully is- today is easy. Toaster, can you stay at home tonight so I can leave school like Leafsnail-san?"
Post by: zombie urist on July 15, 2013, 11:48:15 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 15, 2013, 12:44:05 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 15, 2013, 04:26:17 pm
Let's get this scum out.
Now, on an entirely unrelated note, the Town Map has changed...
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Anyone have any idea what that thing on the hill is?
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 04:31:34 pm
Why didn't you vote, NQT? Don't want to lynch your buddy?
Post by: zombie urist on July 15, 2013, 05:00:32 pm
Anyone have any idea what that thing on the hill is?Its your doooooooom!
Zombie UristDariush
Why didn't you vote, NQT? Don't want to lynch your buddy?
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 05:06:07 pm
That was actually to NQT, not you ZU.
Post by: notquitethere on July 15, 2013, 06:02:37 pm
There are 8 active students remaining in class.
Toaster - (Most probably school) Boy
Dariush - Confirmed School Boy
Me - lonely 3rd party girl
Deathsword - lonely 3rd party girl
Tiruin - school-aligned 3rd party girl
Zombie Urist - Bully
Griff - ??
Birdy - ??
Toaster - (Most probably school) Boy
Dariush - Confirmed School Boy
Me - lonely 3rd party girl
Deathsword - lonely 3rd party girl
Tiruin - school-aligned 3rd party girl
Zombie Urist - Bully
Griff - ??
Birdy - ??
"We know there are three bullies. Griff-san or Birdy-san are the prime candidates. Griff's latest ridiculous conjecture makes me think that they're the bully. I was the person that started off the round of third-party claims, the existence of my role was proved tonight with Leafsnail-san's transcendence. Griff-san, I hope they kick you out of school tomorrow.
"Dariush-sama, please stay at home tonight and let me come visit you! I didn't last night as I'd have to be there *alone*."
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 06:29:13 pm
...
WTF???
I prod you for not voting yet today, (which you still haven't done) and you call me scum? Why is Toaster probably a school boy, while I'm not? Have you read the thread recently? I'm town boy, something that Dariush confirmed. Apparently DS and Tiruin's roles are supposedly confirmed. How do you know that they're what they claim?
Post by: Tiruin on July 15, 2013, 06:36:55 pm
This is strange.
"Very strange, in the way that Toaster, our local kitty-kat and somehow a shapeshifter (who I do not believe is a survivor...though vague on what I do believe on) was redirected from her..his..target.
"For what reason? I also find it weird that his gender..err, her..was shifted without due reason which changed his alignment.
"That doesn't make sense at all, and mayhap, be someone putting up to the generality I gave earlier."
"These are my notes everybody!""Notes which you don't bother to explain rather than point at yesterday. I'm forgetful, remind me why all your notes say this, please?"There are 8 active students remaining in class.
Toaster - (Most probably school) Boy
NQT:"Oh the expletives."
...
WTF???
Tiruin pouts.
Zombie Urist
Why didn't you vote, NQT? Don't want to lynch your buddy?
lol."No, really? So why didn't you shift it then?"
That was actually to NQT, not you ZU.
Dariush: "Any reason for not speaking much yesterday?"
Now, on an entirely unrelated note, the Town Map has changed..."...I didn't see that when I came to class this morn (really, first check > saw hearty #2, then went to reply.) however, it looks much like a..donut to me? A donut with a caged center?"Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Anyone have any idea what that thing on the hill is?
Quote
Leafsnail as Class Rep (third-party girl) has been saved in the power of true love!"But this. This is weird too. NQT , what did you fully see anyway? What terrifying generality would scare such a person as you away?"
Post by: Teneb on July 15, 2013, 06:39:31 pm
That said, we should use the rest of this day to figure out who the last scum is.
NQT: could you go into detail one why you think Griff is the bully and why Birdy the absent is a candidate (aside from lurking, that is pretty obvious). Also, since the scum seem to want Dariush dead pretty badly, he should go to your home instead.
Also ninjas.
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 06:47:55 pm
WTF stands for what the front door, or what the freak. What were you thinking?NQT:"Oh the expletives."
...
WTF???
Tiruin pouts.
And elaborate on your other question. I'm not quite sure what that means.
Post by: Tiruin on July 15, 2013, 07:02:54 pm
TiriunWTF stands for what the front door, or what the freak. What were you thinking?NQT:"Oh the expletives."
...
WTF???
Tiruin pouts.
And elaborate on your other question. I'm not quite sure what that means.
lol.I'm really unsure how you didn't get my mode of seeing things there :/ Because this was based on yer wording.
That was actually to NQT, not you ZU.
Zombie Urist
Why didn't you vote, NQT? Don't want to lynch your buddy?
Just had a thought. (can't link, rushin' to work. It's back there though.)
Leafsnail proposed a plan earlier stating details on multiple people within a house or somesuch, being a third-party, his role would be logically aligned with what he said earlier unless he was giving something off for..err, someone else?
Anyway, just saying what hit me because I'm quite sure it had some sense in it given how strength in numbers mean much.
Everyone: Thoughts on rallying at a house tonight?
Still PFP ahghadhggghh
Work.. u_u
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 07:44:57 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 15, 2013, 08:01:02 pm
Just had a thought. (can't link, rushin' to work. It's back there though.)
Leafsnail proposed a plan earlier stating details on multiple people within a house or somesuch, being a third-party, his role would be logically aligned with what he said earlier unless he was giving something off for..err, someone else?
Anyway, just saying what hit me because I'm quite sure it had some sense in it given how strength in numbers mean much.
Everyone: Thoughts on rallying at a house tonight?
Still PFP ahghadhggghh
Work.. u_u
It could be a chance to help Dariush and Griffinpup increase their powers by concentrating the remaining women. I am not be against this idea. Safety in numbers.
Now. It's about time that I role-claimed.
My name is Childhood Friend-san, formerly a Town Girl and as of today a Survivor Third-Party Girl. My role used to have a 50% percent chance of giving people a random buff when they visit me, such as double voting or a resistance to being role blocked.
The second part of my role though, is that I had the possibility of becoming lonely. My Role PM said if I didn't see anyone after two nights, my character will become disheartened. And, since didn't receive any guests and I didn't visit for two consecutive days, this has become true. My character is now depressed, and is waiting for this to all be over.
Finally, the silhouette. I want you all to be able to identify me if you have to, so here it is. My silhouette is the 6th one from the left. The player who visited me Night 1 is still alive, and so he will be able to confirm this.
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 09:09:18 pm
It could be a chance to help Dariush and Griffinpup increase their powers by concentrating the remaining women. I am not be against this idea. Safety in numbers.Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. We don't really play well with others, and we NEVER share our toys. (To my understanding, Dariush and I sharing a house results in each of us having one vote, REGARDLESS of who else is there.)
Also, I can verify the silhouette. Birdy might of just got a really lucky guess, but that's who I saw night one.
Post by: Toaster on July 15, 2013, 09:43:46 pm
It could be a chance to help Dariush and Griffinpup increase their powers by concentrating the remaining women. I am not be against this idea. Safety in numbers.Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. We don't really play well with others, and we NEVER share our toys. (To my understanding, Dariush and I sharing a house results in each of us having one vote, REGARDLESS of who else is there.)
Wait, the two of you share a house? Did you claim this before?
Post by: griffinpup on July 15, 2013, 09:49:30 pm
We don't share a house, I meant "both went to the same house at night"It could be a chance to help Dariush and Griffinpup increase their powers by concentrating the remaining women. I am not be against this idea. Safety in numbers.Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. We don't really play well with others, and we NEVER share our toys. (To my understanding, Dariush and I sharing a house results in each of us having one vote, REGARDLESS of who else is there.)
Wait, the two of you share a house? Did you claim this before?
Post by: Dariush on July 16, 2013, 01:44:13 pm
To my understanding, Dariush and I sharing a house results in each of us having one vote, REGARDLESS of who else is there.I simply don't gain any powers from (and, judging by the flavor, also don't get to sex up, and thus allow to win) the girls if I share the house with both them and a boy. However, I explicitly get more powers if I sleep with several girls simultaneously.
Now, why did only LS get off his ass and, uh, win?
I can confirm Tiruin, since I was the one who visited him/her N1 (I don't even remember if I already claimed this). I can confirm Toaster, since I was the one who genderswapped him in house 5 *le bow with le hat flourish*, and I see no reason for one scum to visit an empty house of another scum, let alone become scum after not being one due to genderswap. There may be a possibility of him getting redirected... thus I want everyone who might have redirected him claim. I know that Griff didn't leave his house during N2, which moderately lessens his chances of being scum (I actually had him pegged as confirmed town in my memory, but I have completely forgotten why after that week-long night). If we take that Griff is town who has no reason to lie about Birdy, the pool of possible scum is reduced to NQT and DS. I suggest that each of three boys (together with the unvisited girl) visits a girl's house tonight. Two of them will win and whoever remains will be lynched tomorrow. Dibs on Tiruin, since I don't want to get PGO'd or anything.
Post by: Tiruin on July 16, 2013, 01:50:47 pm
Oh. Well that clears up most things. And that reread on Toaster.
ZU
...Hows about us all visit an empty house instead? However I'm curious. Dariush: why is DS listed down as probable scum? Only by process of elimination?
...PGO'd? Dibs?
Um. Terms. :-\
Post by: notquitethere on July 16, 2013, 01:53:36 pm
"Griff-kun, where did Dariush rule you out as town before? He's only just saying it now. Still DS-san claimed after me with the 3rd party stuff, so maybe they're making it up. Birdy-san's claim seems legit and there's still so much we don't know about you."
"ZU, are you sad that you failed to bully anyone last night?"
Post by: Tiruin on July 16, 2013, 02:09:06 pm
"Noting on Dariush's plan, we've a redirector who isn't claiming--most likely the third bully, and..on a passing thought, a very deadly one at that.
"Suppose, at the lack of his or her cohorts, he/she will gain the ability to grab another into his/her alignment." (I remember/ That one Vector/ In that game which was solely won alone.) "Just me musing and comparing with what I have at the moment.
"Why can't we just rally at one house in particular? It would, in theory, get someone redirected, but that would still depend on who and how it would work.
"As far as memory serves, the redirect happens to people in motion/transit."
Post by: Toaster on July 16, 2013, 02:14:58 pm
Toaster Claim:
Started as Catgirl Survivor, with wincon of finding yarn ball.
N1: Visited NQT's housed, learned NQT is female. Withholding house number because I can't remember if NQT claimed that. No one else there.
N2: Visited ZU's house (#5), learned ZU is male. Got turned into Catboy Townie, with no role power but gaining unknown power if I find the yarnball. No one else there.
N3: Tried to go to Deathsword's house (#3) but got redirected to house four, which belongs to [REDACTED] who is [REDACTED]. One other person there, who was silhouette [REDACTED].
Waiting on filling out those REDACTEDs to see if that person claims.
Post by: zombie urist on July 16, 2013, 02:46:07 pm
"ZU, are you sad that you failed to bully anyone last night?"No. I'm sad Shinigami_king was lynched. :'(
House 4 is griffinpup.
Post by: Toaster on July 16, 2013, 02:51:52 pm
"ZU, are you sad that you failed to bully anyone last night?"No. I'm sad Shinigami_king was lynched. :'(
House 4 is griffinpup.
This is correct.
Post by: griffinpup on July 16, 2013, 03:15:52 pm
"Griff-kun, where did Dariush rule you out as town before? He's only just saying it now. Still DS-san claimed after me with the 3rd party stuff, so maybe they're making it up. Birdy-san's claim seems legit and there's still so much we don't know about you."
1) I am 97% sure Griffon is town, because I know he is male and didn't leave his house N2;This is where Dariush ruled me out as town before.
[/quote]
"ZU, are you sad that you failed to bully anyone last night?"What possible reason was there to include this in your post? Seems kind of like congratulating the doctor on saving someone.
Also, what has happened to answering questions?
NQT: could you go into detail one why you think Griff is the bully and why Birdy the absent is a candidate (aside from lurking, that is pretty obvious). Also, since the scum seem to want Dariush dead pretty badly, he should go to your home instead.
"Notes which you don't bother to explain rather than point at yesterday. I'm forgetful, remind me why all your notes say this, please?"And you STILL haven't voted yet. WHY?
And I got redirected last night. Back to my own house, actually. I was attempting to visit DS.
And ya, that's my house number. I'm planning on staying home tonight.
Post by: Toaster on July 16, 2013, 03:24:35 pm
Interesting implication, really. That implies that a redirect was done from House 3 to House 4.
Post by: Toaster on July 16, 2013, 03:25:11 pm
...and that therefore, everyone going to the same house is probably a Bad Idea.
Post by: griffinpup on July 16, 2013, 03:31:14 pm
Griff: So I take it that was you I saw last night?Righto.
Post by: birdy51 on July 16, 2013, 04:52:50 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 16, 2013, 07:05:03 pm
Post by: zombie urist on July 17, 2013, 12:59:52 am
Besides, I cannot leave my house.You've claimed this an excessive amount of times...
Post by: Tiruin on July 17, 2013, 01:03:58 am
...Where and why not? @DS. My mind's fuzzy and I can't see that point in your first claim of a hostile finger-person attacking your door back in the day.Besides, I cannot leave my house.You've claimed this an excessive amount of times...
@ZU: What does that mean to you?
NQT: (notice the bolding)"Griff-kun, where did Dariush rule you out as town before? He's only just saying it now. Still DS-san claimed after me with the 3rd party stuff, so maybe they're making it up. Birdy-san's claim seems legit and there's still so much we don't know about you."1) I am 97% sure Griffon is town, because I know he is male and didn't leave his house N2;This is where Dariush ruled me out as town before.
"ZU, are you sad that you failed to bully anyone last night?"What possible reason was there to include this in your post? Seems kind of like congratulating the doctor on saving someone.
Also, what has happened to answering questions?
NQT: could you go into detail one why you think Griff is the bully and why Birdy the absent is a candidate (aside from lurking, that is pretty obvious). Also, since the scum seem to want Dariush dead pretty badly, he should go to your home instead.
"Notes which you don't bother to explain rather than point at yesterday. I'm forgetful, remind me why all your notes say this, please?"And you STILL haven't voted yet. WHY?
And I got redirected last night. Back to my own house, actually. I was attempting to visit DS.
And ya, that's my house number. I'm planning on staying home tonight.
[/quote]"I'll act as if you were speaking on the dot. The wording here came off me the wrong way, so I'll point at your aggression being more akin to Dariush now.
"What is wrong with you, griffinpup? You quoted things right below that one post where you offer blindsided critique."
ZU*cough*
Post by: zombie urist on July 17, 2013, 01:08:19 am
Post by: Teneb on July 17, 2013, 06:12:20 am
I keep repeating that I cannot leave my house (because my power involves staying at home and trying to make others come to me) because people keep suggesting that we all leave our houses. As for why I claimed that house break-in, I thought there was an arsonist at the time due to how nothing happened to me despite the violent entrance....Where and why not? @DS. My mind's fuzzy and I can't see that point in your first claim of a hostile finger-person attacking your door back in the day.Besides, I cannot leave my house.You've claimed this an excessive amount of times...
@ZU: What does that mean to you?
Post by: griffinpup on July 17, 2013, 09:47:06 am
Post by: griffinpup on July 17, 2013, 11:08:01 am
I'll act as if you were speaking on the dot. The wording here came off me the wrong way, so I'll point at your aggression being more akin to Dariush now.First of all, I don't remember swearing excessively and openly insulting people in my post. But past that, I do think I had an overly... disgruntled(?) tone.But look at it from my perspective. I prodded NQT, and he called me scum without backing in a very angry tone of voice. I don't omgus people logically, but I definitely will omgus emotionally, which will be expressed by the tone of my posts. But I'd hardly call my post blindsided critique. For one, it wasn't meant to be a critique.
"What is wrong with you, griffinpup? You quoted things right below that one post where you offer blindsided critique."
Post by: ToonyMan on July 17, 2013, 11:34:48 am
(0)Griffion -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Zombie Urist
(7)Zombie Urist - Toaster, Birdy, Griffion, Deathsword, Dariush, Tiruin, Notquitethere
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(0)Not Voting:
Day 4 will last until Thursday 7/18 at 11 PM EST
Post by: griffinpup on July 17, 2013, 11:56:46 am
Post by: Teneb on July 17, 2013, 12:20:55 pm
Griff: I claimed being able to redirect a long time ago. Not long after NQT's claim.
Post by: notquitethere on July 17, 2013, 12:46:23 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 17, 2013, 06:48:10 pm
And ya. My mistake. NQT has voted, but it did take him a while.You know, its real hard to denote who you were talking to, especially when your quotes are mixed up. I took that to poke at me instead..because it didn't make sense how you missed NQT's vote while quoting him right there.
Ahem. I said aggression, not you being a replica of Dariush's observable attitude.I'll act as if you were speaking on the dot. The wording here came off me the wrong way, so I'll point at your aggression being more akin to Dariush now.First of all, I don't remember swearing excessively and openly insulting people in my post.
"What is wrong with you, griffinpup? You quoted things right below that one post where you offer blindsided critique."
PFP
PFPWhy're you redirecting them and who did you redirect in all nights?
Griff: I claimed being able to redirect a long time ago. Not long after NQT's claim.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 18, 2013, 10:02:35 pm
(0)Griffion -
(0)Toaster -
(0)Tiruin -
(1)Dariush - Zombie Urist
***(7)Zombie Urist - Toaster, Birdy, Griffion, Deathsword, Dariush, Tiruin, Notquitethere***
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(0)Birdy51 -
(0)Not Voting:
A silence followed the homeroom today.
"Grrmmm." Zombie Urist-kun was not amused. Not at all.
Today Zombie Urist-kun was voted to be expelled. This may not be surprising to some, but with such a freakishly large build a few of the staff were worried how he would respond.
He glanced at a note from Shinigami-san, heartbroken. If one were to decipher his thoughts it was possible he was thinking, "Gee, I never had a chance to give Shinigami my love letter."
Zombie Urist turned his head out the window, completely oblivious to his expulsion that happened just now, and stood up.
That was not a good idea.
Within a sixtieth of a second his head broke through the ceiling, by a quarter second he had a birds-eye view of Lovingtun, by a full second he had cleared the troposphere and by the next second he was having trouble breathing.
After six full seconds Zombie Urist passed the ozone layer and realized what he had done.
In a panic he tried to sit back down, but it was too late, the force he unleashed was plenty to pass the escape velocity of the Earth, soon he would pass Captain Ford.
***
During the car trip to her new home, Shinigami-san thought she saw something in the sky.
It was probably her imagination.
Thug-kun (mafia boy) has been expelled! House 5 has been evicted! The yarn ball has been dislocated into another house, again.
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Night 4 will last until Tuesday 7/23 at 11 PM EST or until I receive all night-actions. Send in your actions.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 22, 2013, 06:07:52 pm
Three students were missing. Dariush-kun, Toaster-kun, and Tiruin-san.
Upon an investigation only Tiruin's House gave an answer. It was a massacre. Or at least, it probably was. There were no bodies, only blood stains.
The four remaining students shivered. This was likely going to be the last day, they thought.
Dariush-kun as Main Character-kun (town boy) has been eaten!
Toaster-kun as Cat Boy-kun (third-party boy) has been eaten!
Tiruin-san as Shapeshifting Dinosaur-san (sk girl-dinosaur) was very patient!
Toaster-kun has lost! Tiruin-san has won! House 7, House 9, and House 12 have been evicted!
Spoiler: Character Art (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Town Map (click to show/hide)
Day 5 has begun!
Day 5 will last until Thursday 7/25 at 11 PM EST
Post by: birdy51 on July 22, 2013, 08:36:04 pm
Needless to say, I no longer trust Tiruin.
The big question now is where we go from here.
NQT, Deathsword, what were your actions last night?
Post by: Toaster on July 22, 2013, 08:38:03 pm
Post by: notquitethere on July 23, 2013, 01:14:19 am
"Well this is a pickle. Tiruin-san and Toaster-kun were lying! I am shocked. On the bright side, if you've all been paying attention, we know where everyone lives now. Deathsword-san has claimed 3rd-party but I suspect they may be something malicious like Tiruin-san. I am a happy-go-lucky girl-about-town, but not strictly school aligned. Birdy-kun has also claimed 3rd party, ex-school. Griff-kun hasn't claimed, unless I missed it. I'm inclined to believe there is still a school-aligned student otherwise we'd all have lost or won. What now? No vote until another night's investigations?"
Post by: Dariush on July 23, 2013, 01:58:10 am
And I trusted you, Tiruin! :'(
BAH
Post by: Teneb on July 23, 2013, 06:10:20 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 23, 2013, 07:03:05 am
Post by: griffinpup on July 23, 2013, 09:01:21 am
DS:
Tell me every redirect you did every night.
Claim your silhouette.
NQT:
Claim your silhouette.
Are you still planning to lynch me this day?
Post by: notquitethere on July 23, 2013, 09:19:37 am
Post by: Tiruin on July 23, 2013, 03:05:09 pm
Upon an investigation only Tiruin's House gave an answer. It was a massacre. Or at least, it probably was. There were no bodies, only blood stains.
And a rather messy note!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Teneb on July 23, 2013, 03:27:23 pm
Night two I redirected from 7 (Tiruin's) to 3 (mine). I was hoping to get whomever was there (Dariush) to come to me.
Night three 4 to 3. When Toaster said he went to house 4 I suspected I had misunderstood my power. I asked ToonyMan and he confirmed it. I don't just make whomever is going to house Y go to X, I make anyone going to X go to Y as well.
Last night, Night four, I redirected 7 and 3 again hoping to make Dariush (who said he was going to Tiruin's) come to my house, and also because I had a bad feeling about Toaster's role. He ended up dead confirming his fakeclaim, but I don't know why Dariush wasn't redirected.
There may be another scum, since every time scum was lynched Toaster's yarn ball was displaced to another house (indicating it always was with scum). There may or may not be town, based on wheter or not Griff is telling the truth. What makes me unsure is wheter or not scum win if all town are dead or if they have a majority among all players (so they'd need to kill third-party as well). I am third party and I believe NQT's claim that he is as well, so that leaves Griff (claiming town) and Birdy (NQT says he claimed third-party but I might have missed it). From their behaviour so far, I think Birdy is the most likely scum, as he has been keeping a low profile the entire game.
Post by: notquitethere on July 23, 2013, 04:35:15 pm
Now. It's about time that I role-claimed.
My name is Childhood Friend-san, formerly a Town Girl and as of today a Survivor Third-Party Girl. My role used to have a 50% percent chance of giving people a random buff when they visit me, such as double voting or a resistance to being role blocked.
The second part of my role though, is that I had the possibility of becoming lonely. My Role PM said if I didn't see anyone after two nights, my character will become disheartened. And, since didn't receive any guests and I didn't visit for two consecutive days, this has become true. My character is now depressed, and is waiting for this to all be over.
Finally, the silhouette. I want you all to be able to identify me if you have to, so here it is. My silhouette is the 6th one from the left. The player who visited me Night 1 is still alive, and so he will be able to confirm this.
"Assuming for a moment that you're telling the truth, you might want to think twice about voting today: if either the bully or the loyal student are kicked out of school then I believe we will both lose. Best no-vote and shorten for now and have another night's try."
#NQT paces back and forth, weighing out the options.
"Can you confirm your silhouette, Griff-kun? If you say the right thing I think I can confirm you as a loyal student. In a gesture of good-will, I'm the fifth from the left."
Post by: Teneb on July 23, 2013, 05:35:21 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 23, 2013, 05:37:17 pm
Post by: notquitethere on July 23, 2013, 06:12:13 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 23, 2013, 06:30:57 pm
In case you haven't noticed, the Town faction has only one player left. If this game doesn't end today, there is a strong possibility it will end in the night. We might not have another day.
Now then. NQT. Considering you claimed a "love" character, I find it highly suspicious that you would still consider Griffinpup as a threat, especially given that he is the last man in the game. If you need proof, look no further than the silhouettes. I suck with images and I do not know how to upload them properly, so bear with me.
You have claimed Number 5 and I have claimed the silhouette of that young woman next to you, Number 6. Griffinpup confirmed my own silhouette from Night 1. Since he is the only claimed Town-Boy left, it's safe to assume that he is the silhouette left of RangerCado; the girl crouching on the ground with a blanket. That leaves that last girl in line as Deathsword, assuming I correctly arranged the silhouettes and all the claims are correct.
June 21st Silhouette Change:But wait...one of the silhouettes has also changed!!!Keep an eye out!!!Spoiler: Updated Battle Shounen (click to show/hide)
Now. Your suspicion of Griffinpup is groundless, as you need him to win. Assuming he is scum completely flies in the face of your claim of being a "love" Third-Party. I understand suspicion, but I don't quite fully understand what you are trying prove by withholding information from him.
There may be another scum, since every time scum was lynched Toaster's yarn ball was displaced to another house (indicating it always was with scum). There may or may not be town, based on wheter or not Griff is telling the truth. What makes me unsure is wheter or not scum win if all town are dead or if they have a majority among all players (so they'd need to kill third-party as well). I am third party and I believe NQT's claim that he is as well, so that leaves Griff (claiming town) and Birdy (NQT says he claimed third-party but I might have missed it). From their behaviour so far, I think Birdy is the most likely scum, as he has been keeping a low profile the entire game.
Deathsword: Incorrect. Why would the scum team have to kill the Third Parties, when Toonyman outright stated this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Mafia wins when the Town is unable to take any more actions. The Town wins when the Mafia gets kicked out. If either of those two parties win, the game is over and the remaining "love" Third-Party player, be that you or NQT loses from not having a man to love you. Otherwise, this game would be over and we would have never entered Day 5 like we have.
There is another scum player in this game. It's either you or NQT.
I'll tell you what I know.
We have a Town-Boy. Griffinpup. After having spent two nights with him on Day 1 and most recently on Day 5, I highly doubt that he is scum. He's been confirmed by other players as well, such as Dariush.
Next we have myself. I am a former Town-Girl, who was switched over to being a Survivor Third-Party due to loneliness. I was confirmed by Griffinpup on Night 1, who claimed the Silhouette of the Boy we still have left. Once more, last night gave us a second confirmation, as I was able to stumble upon his house. We're both still here today, so I feel that it is safe to assume that we're both not bullies.
Now, by order of elimination, that leaves only two people left. Deathsword and NQT are our two most likely scum suspects. You two are the only two players who it could possibly be. NQT, you have been particularly odd today. What you have been saying doesn't add up and you've yet to state what you did last night.
Speak up.
Post by: Teneb on July 23, 2013, 08:09:16 pm
Post by: birdy51 on July 23, 2013, 08:49:00 pm
Unvote. Birdy, what you say... makes a lot of sense. You confirm Griff as town and he is not dead after staying one night with you. So... NQT is scum. The only problem with it is that I don't know if I auto-win with town (since a town boy is left alive) or not. Probably not. I can't think of any way to both win and trap NQT in his house with clever redirecting.
Indeed. I see your predicament.
However, I am very wary of allowing this game to be extended. Too much can happen in a single night.
Post by: birdy51 on July 23, 2013, 08:50:39 pm
Unvote. Birdy, what you say... makes a lot of sense. You confirm Griff as town and he is not dead after staying one night with you. So... NQT is scum. The only problem with it is that I don't know if I auto-win with town (since a town boy is left alive) or not. Probably not. I can't think of any way to both win and trap NQT in his house with clever redirecting.
Indeed. I see your predicament.
However, I am very wary of allowing this game to be extended. Too much can happen in a single night.
Post by: notquitethere on July 23, 2013, 11:21:26 pm
"I was naturally cagey at the beginning of the day but then I actually did some analysis and came to conclusions about everyone. Given that Deathsword-san is unvoting now and previously didn't appear to know that the bullies knew my house number, lends credence to their claim of being 3rd-party (though whether they're benign like Ranger-kun or malicious like Tiruin-sama, there's no way of knowing). Thus by process of elimination Birdy-kun is most likely the bully."
Post by: birdy51 on July 24, 2013, 04:48:46 am
"How do I know you're not a bully with a silhouette based power? What would you gain in knowing this: have you seen any unaccounted for silhouettes? If you're a loyal student what's your cutesy name then? I spoke rashly yesterday, for which I'm sorry. Given that I've a 75% chance of losing if anyone is lynched today I don't intend to lynch you."
Right here.
That is what I have been reading. This statement is unnaturally shady given that it is directed towards the very last player who can help you achieve your wincon. You were nervous over a silhouette. In another statement, you "think" you can confirm Griffinpup, when he already has been confirmed!
I have also asked a question that you have been prudently ignoring this entire day so far. Would you mind answering it?
Post by: notquitethere on July 24, 2013, 05:04:44 am
"I went to Dariush-san's house last night. No one was home."
"You're getting your narrative all mixed up here. Let me spell it out just in case you're not deliberately obfuscating:
1. First Griff-kun asks for my silhouette
2. I am reluctant given the legitimate concern that Griff-kun (or indeed some other student here) may have a silhouette-related power.
3. About seven hours later I read back through the thread and work out which silhouettes are actually remaining
4. I realise at this point that Griff-kun is most likely the only boy silhouette remaining (and so town) and I ask if they can tell me their shadow so I can confirm my hunch
5. In a show of good faith, I claim my own silhouette
6. Birdy-yogisha misreads the proceedings (whether wilfully or not, I'm unsure) and claims I am a bully
Do you understand now?"
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2013, 10:32:38 am
(0)Griffion -
(0)Deathsword -
(1)Notquitethere - Birdy51
(0)Birdy51 -
(3)Not Voting: Griffion, Deathsword, Notquitethere
Notquitethere has requested a shorten, two more requests and the game will be shortened to Wednesday 7/24 at 11 PM EST.
Birdy51 has opposed the shorten. (I'll let him do that because he didn't also vote for an extend)
Day 5 will last until Thursday 7/25 at 11 PM EST
Post by: birdy51 on July 24, 2013, 03:09:48 pm
Yet... I find it quite odd that you chose Dariush's house to go to, considering he had already expressed preference for staying with Tiruin. As I understand, you have to be alone with a Town Boy, which defeats the purpose of going to his house.
Then, the whole "scary-house" incident with Leafsnail was never quite fully explained, especially given as her character was a simple "love" Third-Party. What did you hope to gain from declaring Leafsnail's house as frightening?
Post by: notquitethere on July 24, 2013, 06:30:39 pm
"As for the scary house, I was just saying it how it was in case the information was useful to anyone and because at the time it made LS-san seem more suspicious. I suspect one of the players (possibly deceased) had some kind of fear effect. Strikes me it'd be a pretty weird thing to claim for any other reason."
Post by: birdy51 on July 24, 2013, 10:43:44 pm
I have a lot to say, so I am going to throw out a tentative Extend vote. We may need another day or two to discuss, and we can always shorten if we do happen to come to a decision.
There is a wall of text incoming...
I am the final remaining bully, Birdy51, the Vengeful Child-Hood Friend-San. I was our team's redirector. I can supply where and when I redirected people, but I'll talk about that later if there is still time.
There are a few things I need to say.
First, Griffinpup. I fully expect you to vote for me after this claim, and this is merely in anticipation to cancel out your vote. I am certain we'll talk later. Have a good night.
Deathsword I apologize for manipulating you. NQT's behavior bothered me significantly, even as a bully. However, the only way I could have possibly achieved a lynch against him would have been by manipulating both you and Griffinpup to vote for him. I hope there is no ill will there, as you would have still been able to win if I had followed through with my plans.
NQT. To be blunt, you scare me shitless, far more than I fear either Griffinpup or Deathsword. I don't know whether you are telling the truth or not, but your polite candor impressed me. You did not run or start making excuses. Rather you made your answers quite plain.
One of the first lessons I learned playing Mafia, is that simple answers can speak volumes more than a complex one. I'm putting my trust in the fact that you a Love Third Party based on how you reacted to my prodding. My victory depends on it because I cannot perform our factional night kill.
Shinigami King and Zombie Urist both had the ability to bully people. The way that they bullied was different between them both. Shinigami was a seductress archetype, while ZU tended to scream at things until they ran away. This is what Shinigami meant when he said we could kill more than one person at a time.
However, to actually bully someone, they had to be at the right house with the right amount of people in them. Neither of them would stood a chance if the Town suddenly decided to band together and share a house.
That is where I come in.
As I mentioned earlier, I am the scum team redirector. It was my job to deflect threats against them and prevent clumping. However, my redirect does not work like yours does Deathsword. Mine is a bit more random.
I select a house and prepare to stay at home for the night. Anyone attempting to visit that house randomly ends up in three houses of my choosing. In this way, other players are filtered from one another, thus preventing them from protecting themselves in a party situation. But, this role would be much too swingy if I was also able Night Kill. Case in point, Night 1.
Griffinpup stopped in. I wasn't interrupted like you can be Deathsword, but I also was not able to harm him because we already ha two bullies on the loose. Rather, I was treated like any other girl would have been treated. We spent the night together.
Night 4, I decided to be the one to return the favor and paid him a visit in order to maintain a "safe" appearance by helping him gain his powers. I couldn't bully him, so my only option was to gain his trust and hope that I last long enough to not get lynched.
Then suddenly, Dinosaur Rampage.
She's the only reason Team Scum might actually pull off a victory. This is one chance that I didn't want to screw up, which made me edgy. After Tiruin's sudden rampage, I felt compelled to make myself certain that I can trust the players that remain. If one player managed to hide that vicious of a secret, then what else could be lurking?
I thought to thin the field, and ensure that there was no room for error, so I fished around for anything else that might be lurking. You became a prime suspect in that search, NQT. But I believe I can trust you, so I shall give you a chance to love and not such be a bastard about it. I've spent more than enough time being paranoid.
I have a plan to see to it that both you and Deathsword can win the game. It's fool proof for allowing at least one of you to find love.
It's simple.
NQT, go to House 4. This is Griffinpup's house. I know his house number because Shinigami paid a visit on Day 2 and the party got crashed by Dariush.
Deathsword, use your redirect to pull all people going to House 14 to your house at 3.
I shall use my own redirect to move everyone going to my House at 6, go to Houses 3, 14, and 4. This leaves nowhere for Griffinpup to avoid love.
Once we get to Night 6, we can start planning for that as well.
For quick reference, here is what I am all claiming.
I am the last scum and redirector, and I need the Third-Parties out of the game to force Griffinpup into a stalemate.
I admit to trying to get NQT lynched, on grounds of paranoid suspicions.
I cannot kill, which forces me to rely on the Third-Parties wanting to fulfill their wincon to win.
I have a plan, but it requires you both to trust me.
I am confident I managed to miss something… So please ask questions, even ones that might appear to have obvious answers. Hiding anything is the very last thing I want to do.
So please, ask me anything.
Post by: birdy51 on July 24, 2013, 10:59:39 pm
NQT... Deathsword... Will you be my friends?
Post by: griffinpup on July 24, 2013, 11:05:39 pm
Toonyman, what sick type of game is this that has EVERY scum member claiming... :o I'll tell you, NQT and DS, why Birdy's plan is stupid, but I'm tired tonight. So tomorrow then. Night.
Post by: notquitethere on July 24, 2013, 11:28:21 pm
"Griff-kun, I'm eager to hear your objections to this. A stalemate for you two is surely a better option than a loss for either, no?"
"Deathsword-san, what do you think of Birdy-san's plan? Any obvious hole in it?"
Post by: Teneb on July 25, 2013, 10:41:59 am
"Deathsword-san, what do you think of Birdy-san's plan? Any obvious hole in it?"The only hole is that my "revised" ability (also known as what it really does as opposed to what I thought it did) wasn't considered by birdy. If anyone is going to house 3 (where I am), they will go to 14 (NQT), which wil be empty, instead. That means we get a night where nothing happens.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2013, 11:26:50 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2013, 12:03:03 pm
"Does that sound like it would work?"
Post by: birdy51 on July 25, 2013, 03:26:20 pm
"If these redirects last all night then I have a cunning plan: I'll go to 6, and you two stay at home. Deathsword-san can do the switcheroo on 18 and 14. Birdy-san, you do the redirect from 18 to 14, 6 and 3. If Griff-kun stays at home, I'll meet him. If he goes to 14 he'll go to 18. If he goes to 18, he'll end up at either mine or Deathsword-san's house or he'll end up at 14, where he'll be be put back in the loop. Eventually he'll come out with me or Deathsword-san!
"Does that sound like it would work?"
Not if he goes to my house, which is House 6. I'm not sure whether you plan will work, but I need to be certain we're on the same page as well. Here is a refresher on the housing situation.
Deathsword owns House 3
Griffinpup is at House 4
I am at House 6
And you are at House 14
"Deathsword-san, what do you think of Birdy-san's plan? Any obvious hole in it?"The only hole is that my "revised" ability (also known as what it really does as opposed to what I thought it did) wasn't considered by birdy. If anyone is going to house 3 (where I am), they will go to 14 (NQT), which wil be empty, instead. That means we get a night where nothing happens.
Alright, I did get confused by your ability a bit.
If I understand you correctly, your redirect works a bit like this:
House 6 <-> House 3
The two house locations are swapped for the night.
I fear whatever our plan is, it's going to have to rely on a bit WIFOM to succeed. That or there is a solution to this puzzle that I'm not quite seeing.
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2013, 03:53:12 pm
Post by: griffinpup on July 25, 2013, 03:58:55 pm
DS:
If given the choice with no negative consequences for you, would you pick more people to win or less?
Do you have any preference on whether scum or town wins if it doesn't effect you?
And I found it funny that the person that I was attacking claimed scum (Shinigami_King), and then the person that was attacking ME also claimed scum. (ZU) now, when I'm the lone town member in what would normally be lylo, the OTHER scum claims. I'm just kinda sad because I didn't get to scumhunt at all. :(
Post by: griffinpup on July 25, 2013, 03:59:32 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2013, 07:24:22 pm
On the matter of redirects
If, by some chance, two redirects overlap one another, the redirect that succeeds will be decided on a coin flip. I've mentioned this to someone via PM already.
Post by: birdy51 on July 25, 2013, 10:14:36 pm
"Ah, replace 4 with 6 in the plan I outlined. That's what I meant. I go to 4, you stay at 6, Deathsword-san stays at 3. You cast your power on 14, and Deathsword-san casts his power on 6 and 14. Draw a diagram and you'll see how it works."
I see your plan now. It really is quite ingenious!
It significantly lowers our reliance on WIFOM to get the job done as well. The only flaw is in House 14, where he get's a 50-50 chance with scoring another hot and steamy night with me. While I enjoy the prospects of hot and steamy, I would rather not leave it up to pure luck if possible. But, ultimately I will let you both pick your poison. If you two find an idea that works, I will have no problem helping you with it.
Any opinions on the NQT's plan Deathsword?
Post by: griffinpup on July 27, 2013, 07:27:49 pm
here's what's gonna happen. What if NQT wins tonight? How will you win tomorrow? The answer is that you won't.
All I have to do is stay home, and since you can't leave your house, you CAN NEVER WIN. What you get to do is pick who does. Do you want town to win, you vote birdy after tonight. If you want mafia to win, you may as well vote me now.
NQT:
What happens if DS wins tonight? Best case scenario, you get a fifty percent chance of winning the following night. If you fail to win that night, you will immediately lose with me. That's what's so interesting about my role. I gain votes depending who I spend the night with. If I don't spend the night with anyone, I lose the ability to vote the next day. Once this happens, I wouldn't be able to vote against Birdy. This will fulfill his wincon, as he literally can't be voted to be lynched.
To both of you:
Notice how Birdy hasn't once addressed what will happen tomorrow. This mainly means that he's not worried about it. This leads me to believe that he's lying about not having a night kill ability. (SCUM lying? What? :) ) If he does, you both will lose tonight anyways. Pretty much, there's very few ways for both of you to win. I'm not going to lie to you guys. I AM vengeful, and if you choose to work and trust scum, I will make sure you lose. If you guys choose to work with me, I can guarantee one of you to win tonight, and tomorrow the remaining player can help me vote out this lying piece of scum.
Post by: Teneb on July 27, 2013, 07:35:27 pm
But at least I get to choose who wins, and birdy it's not.
Post by: griffinpup on July 27, 2013, 07:41:29 pm
Good, DS, You actually we logic.
Post by: notquitethere on July 28, 2013, 04:23:38 am
"Death-san, why are you giving up your only chance to win? If Birdy-san leaves school we both lose. That is the only certain thing. If no one leave school today then you have a chance of winning tonight. It doesn't have to end in a loss. You have to play to win. Don't give up now at the final hurdle! I've evened up the votes. So long as nothing changes, we should have a stalemate today and tonight we'll go ahead with the plan I outlined. Are you clear on what to do?"
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 08:56:27 am
However, I realize why you are suspicious of me. Afterall, I completely misunderstood your role in a dangerous way.
I was under the incorrect assumption that you have the ability to pull people in, regardless of whether stay home or not. When I considered the last plan, I was going off of your description that you are a "calling" character. As in, you phone that house and they come to yours. Clearly this is not the case, and I even today I only just now realized how horrible my idea of targeting NQT was. On the off-chance that I succeeded, you wouldn't have had the chance at all, and I would have been rightfully lynched for being a complete jerkass.
Now, I want you to ask yourself a question.
Who is making the decision that causes you to lose? Who is manipulating to give up hope of victory?
Deathsword. I may be scum, but damn it, I'm being honest scum. I want you to win. Not for my own sake so I look pretty, but yours as well. Take a stand for yourself. You know why? This game can't last forever. This isn't the Great Temple where the game ends after a certain period of time. I asked Toonyman that just in case because we may be in for the long haul.
You want to talk the future, so let's talk the future. I'm not avoiding that subject.
Let's say that he allows NQT to find love. That leaves me, you and him left where he has the infinite ability to stall. This is a stalemate situation. But that doesn't mean it is a hopeless situation. Eventually, someone is going to have to give. That someone doesn't have to be you. You incorrectly assume that because you have no powers to dislodge him from his house, that you are useless.
No!
You have the most precious power of all. You have time. All the time you need to convince him to give way to love.
Deathsword... You may feel like you are useless right now, and that you have very little control over these proceedings. Please don't believe that.
Alright. Now, back to business.
While your plan may work, it may be safer if we do not allow him a chance to visit my house. He may have the ability to NK, which is no good for me. WIFOM is included in this plan, but as I mentioned we do have time if he guesses correctly or if he stays home to see NQT.
So this is what I suggest for tonight:
NQT, go to Griffinpup's House at Four.
Deathsword, you get the play the WIFOM game, assuming that he leaves his house. Connect Houses 14 and 3 at your leisure.
I'll stay home and do the redirect on my own house, sending everyone elsewhere.
Post by: Teneb on July 28, 2013, 10:31:44 am
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 10:36:34 am
Emotional appeal...
Emotional appeal...
A vague suggestion that you can convince me to willingly lose.
Here's what's gonna happen. You DON'T have all the time in the world. What you do have is two nights until Both of us lose and mafia wins. He's currently lying to you. He's making you all assume that this game can go on forever. It won't. My last post articulated why the game would end after one night of me not sleeping with anyone. I'm not manipulating anyone. I'm telling you the truth. I plan to stay home tonight. I suggest, DS, that if you do have the ability to leave your house, that you go there. I also suggest, assuming that DS really can't leave his house, that NQT goes there. Tomorrow, we can lynch birdy. He has offered no solutions to what will happen tomorrow. The only thing that he talked about concerning after tonight is vaguely stating that you will somehow convince me to willingly spend the night with you. Again, if you choose to work with scum, I won't, and we can all lose.
PPE.
DS:
Agreed.
NQT:
Seriously, lose graciously. Why in the world would you want to reward the scum team for their wonderful play of EVERY SINGLE MEMBER claiming?
Post by: notquitethere on July 28, 2013, 10:47:41 am
"Deathsword-san, you can't know that Griff-kun will stay at home tonight until we reach the night. It is slim but this is your only chance to win, and you've got to take it buddy."
"Griff-kun, while there is a chance of winning to you really expect me to lose graciously? I don't care if bullies or students win. Stay at home tonight if you think you've convinced Deathsword-san to give up."
"Toony-senpai, we're at the stalemate I wanted from this day, we've got a plan settled. We can shorten now."
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 11:06:57 am
"Birdy-san, you speak reasonably and I know what to do tonight."
"Deathsword-san, you can't know that Griff-kun will stay at home tonight until we reach the night. It is slim but this is your only chance to win, and you've got to take it buddy."
"Griff-kun, while there is a chance of winning to you really expect me to lose graciously? I don't care if bullies or students win. Stay at home tonight if you think you've convinced Deathsword-san to give up."
"Toony-senpai, we're at the stalemate I wanted from this day, we've got a plan settled. We can shorten now."
Agreed. I was going to suggest that you stay home tonight and force the stalemate early, but clearly Deathsword has given up.
Go and win this game for yourself my good man. At this point, Griffinpup has no reason not to let you win since he has already has Deathsword in his crotch.
Allow me to summarize Birdy's arguments for you DS.
Emotional appeal...
Emotional appeal...
A vague suggestion that you can convince me to willingly lose.
Here's what's gonna happen. You DON'T have all the time in the world. What you do have is two nights until Both of us lose and mafia wins. He's currently lying to you. He's making you all assume that this game can go on forever. It won't. My last post articulated why the game would end after one night of me not sleeping with anyone. I'm not manipulating anyone. I'm telling you the truth. I plan to stay home tonight. I suggest, DS, that if you do have the ability to leave your house, that you go there. I also suggest, assuming that DS really can't leave his house, that NQT goes there. Tomorrow, we can lynch birdy. He has offered no solutions to what will happen tomorrow. The only thing that he talked about concerning after tonight is vaguely stating that you will somehow convince me to willingly spend the night with you. Again, if you choose to work with scum, I won't, and we can all lose.
PPE.
DS:
Agreed.
NQT:
Seriously, lose graciously. Why in the world would you want to reward the scum team for their wonderful play of EVERY SINGLE MEMBER claiming?
A bold faced lie.
I asked Toonyman directly on the scumchat whether or not this game has a failsafe mechanism to end the game. It doesn't. Get your facts straight before you start deceiving people.
NQT, Birdy: I cannot win. If we go into the night, all griff has to do is stay home. By doing that he denies me the win. And if I don't get to win, I'd rather not have you or birdy win either. I also particularly dislike claiming scum, as what I like most about mafia games is trying to figure out who is scum and who isn't. And don't think I can't stop you from winning either, NQT. I can simply loop you back to your home or mine or birdy's. So vote birdy and lose graciously instead of encouraging scum claiming.
If you want to surrender to apathy, fine by me.
If you don't have the will to fight for yourself on the half-baked excuse of "scummies ar bad, i cant win!" then you may as well get off this forum.
I have no sympathy for those who give up.
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 11:13:13 am
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 11:19:45 am
It is not a lie. Your wincon would be fulfilled, which would end the game. I am telling the truth.
Post by: Teneb on July 28, 2013, 11:32:39 am
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 02:10:27 pm
Birdy:
It is not a lie. Your wincon would be fulfilled, which would end the game. I am telling the truth.
My wincon is fulfilled when you can do nothing. That requires that there are only two players left.
Me and you. Attempting to dissuade otherwise is a blatant lie.
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 02:25:59 pm
It doesn't require only 2 people left for your wincon to be fulfilled. It requires the inability for you to be lynch-voted. This will happen in two nights.Birdy:
It is not a lie. Your wincon would be fulfilled, which would end the game. I am telling the truth.
My wincon is fulfilled when you can do nothing. That requires that there are only two players left.
Me and you. Attempting to dissuade otherwise is a blatant lie.
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 03:37:50 pm
It doesn't require only 2 people left for your wincon to be fulfilled. It requires the inability for you to be lynch-voted. This will happen in two nights.Birdy:
It is not a lie. Your wincon would be fulfilled, which would end the game. I am telling the truth.
My wincon is fulfilled when you can do nothing. That requires that there are only two players left.
Me and you. Attempting to dissuade otherwise is a blatant lie.
And where do you have proof of this?
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 03:56:41 pm
My wincon involves kicking every scum out of school. This is currently you. The reason that you would win if there was only two of us is that I couldn't vote you out. That would make my wincon unfillable, resulting in your wincon being fulfilled. But the same thing will happen in two nights. This is worst case scenario, by the way. I'll spend my night with someone the first night, getting them out of the game and giving me another vote for tomorrow. When I avoid spending my night with someone the following night, I'll be unable to vote in the day two days hence. This will result in my wincon being unfillable, since even if I convinced the third party left in the game to vote you, there wouldn't be enough votes in the game to force a lynch on you.*IMPORTANT SCHOOL ANNOUNCEMENT*
Since there's been a lot of mass-claiming (mainly claims of third-party) I'll be putting the town and mafia wincons into the public eye.
Town wincon:
You win when all the mafia are kicked out of school or become otherwise not a problem (dead).
Mafia wincon:
You win when the town can't win anymore.
As for third-party? Who knows.
oppose shorten for a little while longer. I want to make one more post before this game ends.
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 06:41:54 pm
This is my case for you.
Birdy has not once talked about what will happen two nights hence.
You want to talk the future, so let's talk the future. I'm not avoiding that subject.He pretends to in this post, but he offers on real information or suggestions. He even admits the possibility for me to perpetually stonewall this game, but he offers no way around it. Despite this, he presses along without expressing any doubts about his plan to win. That, of course, is what motivates him. He wants to win, like all of us. To do this, he's claimed that he has to get every single third party role out of the game. But the plan he offered doesn't do that. The plan he offered would of made ONE third party win, and he completely avoided the subject on how the other third party would win. If he really was motivated by the necessity of getting all of third party to win, he wouldn't of so blatantly ignored what was obviously a gaping hole in his plan. His motivation and actions don't line up. He doesn't need all of third party to win, because his actions say he doesn't need it. All he needs is for them to not lynch him today. "But so what?" That's probably what you're thinking right now. "Why do I care? His plan would still let one of us win, and that's better then nothing. I don't see what his motivations have anything to do with it." This is the attitude that he wants you to take. All he needs is for you to be passive today. He's playing you! Don't you see that? I'm sure he has some form of nightkill. That's the only explanation for his actions. He's manipulating you into thinking you can win, all the while planning to night kill me and make ALL of us lose.
Let's say that he allows NQT to find love. That leaves me, you and him left where he has the infinite ability to stall. This is a stalemate situation. But that doesn't mean it is a hopeless situation. Eventually, someone is going to have to give. That someone doesn't have to be you. You incorrectly assume that because you have no powers to dislodge him from his house, that you are useless.
No!
You have the most precious power of all. You have time. All the time you need to convince him to give way to love.
Deathsword... You may feel like you are useless right now, and that you have very little control over these proceedings. Please don't believe that.
That explains why he claimed.
His play obviously wasn't stellar, so if he could convince the third party to go along with his plan, he could completely avoid the possibility of being lynched today.
This explains why he gave no thought for after tonight.
If his plan goes to plan, there WON'T be anything after tonight. Notice how when I prodded the fact that he never thought about the future, he STILL couldn't come up with any actual content. No wonder he didn't contemplate what would happen tomorrow. There won't be one!
He hasn't even expressed one worry about the apparent failure of his plan, the fact that DS and I can perpetually stalemate this game, without you winning.
This might be the biggest tell of them all. When faced with an almost certainty that NO third party will win tonight, and therefore not bring him closer to his goal, what does he do? He certainly doesn't propose an alternative! What he does is Shorten! He has no motivation to do this if his goal is what he says it is. What this does line up with is the motivation that I'm suggesting. He has obvious motivation to start the night as soon as he can while still keeping up appearances. He has avoided being lynched, and has therefor accomplished his goal. All he has to do is make sure this day ends and then he can NK me tonight.
Don't let him, NQT. Even if Birdy is telling the truth, the only way for you to win tonight is if DS lets you, and that's not going to happen. What's more likely is that birdy is lying, and will win the game tonight by manipulating you. Don't let him! Read my case, and think about Birdy's actions. They don't make sense for the role he claims. What they do make sense for, is a mafia, still with a NK, that's attempting to make it through this day alive.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 28, 2013, 06:44:02 pm
(2)Griffion - Birdy51, Notquitethere
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(2)Birdy51 - Deathsword, Griffion
(0)Not Voting:
Notquitethere, Birdy51, and Deathsword have requested a shorten, the game has been shortened to Sunday 7/28 at 11 PM EST.
Griffion has opposed the shorten but it's still over 50% voting it.
Day 5 will last until Sunday 7/28 at 11 PM EST
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 06:52:21 pm
Don't reward terrible scum play in this game. Don't blindly follow their last member until you lose. Change your vote! Or at least unvote me, which would accomplish the same thing. You still have the ability to choose who wins, so don't choose the faction that never played well. They claimed as scum! Don't reward that terrible play. They deserve to lose
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 08:17:18 pm
NQT:
Don't reward terrible scum play in this game. Don't blindly follow their last member until you lose. Change your vote! Or at least unvote me, which would accomplish the same thing. You still have the ability to choose who wins, so don't choose the faction that never played well. They claimed as scum! Don't reward that terrible play. They deserve to lose
I'm confused as to why you are so very, very desperate to have me killed off tonight. My good man, you are flailing all over the place.
I told you, I don't have the ability to Night Kill. Otherwise, I would have been able bully you on Night 4 and this game would be finished.
Right now, you're desperate against someone who isn't even a threat Just let NQT see you tonight and be done with it.
Win with grace.
Now in case I don't have the chance to, I apologize for my rather choice language earlier. I let my emotions get the better of me.
Deathsword, at the end of the day it is your decision I need to respect that fact. Do what you feel is right.
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 08:31:16 pm
You claimed scum. Therefore we can't actually trust anything you say. The only thing that we can do is judge your actions, and see if they line up with the motivations you claim. They don't.
Post by: birdy51 on July 28, 2013, 11:03:50 pm
Birdy:
You claimed scum. Therefore we can't actually trust anything you say. The only thing that we can do is judge your actions, and see if they line up with the motivations you claim. They don't.
Griffin: My manipulation game is done. I don't plan on hurting you, or the Third Parties still left in the game.
I laid the facts out on the table and I will not divert from what I have said that I shall do. That I swear upon my honor as a man. When I promise something, I don't break it. Nor do I feel the need to lie excessively as you have.
At this point you may as well be scum. Your arguments are half-baked, hardly logical, filled with threats, and scream of manipulation. We've traded positions in this game. It's rather comical when you think about it.
Post by: griffinpup on July 28, 2013, 11:23:17 pm
OK dude. I have never lied in this game yet. I find it insulting that you keep saying so. It is my opinion that you have a night kill. This is why i've attempted to convince NQT of the fact. I find it ironic that you're complaining about poor play when you're on a scum team that had every member resort to claiming their scum alignment. You can tell me about poor play when you exhibit play of a higher level. The fact that you're screaming about bad cases while raising no specific issues is also superbly annoying.Birdy:
You claimed scum. Therefore we can't actually trust anything you say. The only thing that we can do is judge your actions, and see if they line up with the motivations you claim. They don't.
Griffin: My manipulation game is done. I don't plan on hurting you, or the Third Parties still left in the game.
I laid the facts out on the table and I will not divert from what I have said that I shall do. That I swear upon my honor as a man. When I promise something, I don't break it. Nor do I feel the need to lie excessively as you have.
At this point you may as well be scum. Your arguments are half-baked, hardly logical, filled with threats, and scream of manipulation. We've traded positions in this game. It's rather comical when you think about it.
Pretty much, lay off until you play well enough for me to have any respect for your ability.
Post by: notquitethere on July 28, 2013, 11:26:47 pm
Post by: griffinpup on July 29, 2013, 12:48:16 am
"Griff-kun, this is my only chance of winning. I have to take it. We can worry about what happens on other days if and when they happen. Stay at home tonight and I'll be out of your hair so you can deal just with DS-san tomorrow "Well... I really hope that I'm wrong about birdy having a NK.
Post by: birdy51 on July 29, 2013, 05:03:51 am
"Griff-kun, this is my only chance of winning. I have to take it. We can worry about what happens on other days if and when they happen. Stay at home tonight and I'll be out of your hair so you can deal just with DS-san tomorrow "Well... I really hope that I'm wrong about birdy having a NK.
You are. >.>
Post by: griffinpup on July 29, 2013, 09:32:44 am
Apparently you can't grasp the concept of us not taking you at your word."Griff-kun, this is my only chance of winning. I have to take it. We can worry about what happens on other days if and when they happen. Stay at home tonight and I'll be out of your hair so you can deal just with DS-san tomorrow "Well... I really hope that I'm wrong about birdy having a NK.
You are. >.>
Post by: griffinpup on July 29, 2013, 09:43:37 am
Post by: notquitethere on July 29, 2013, 10:57:54 am
"'My only chance of winning' is a simple concept that you're wilfully failing to grasp."
Post by: Teneb on July 29, 2013, 11:13:10 am
Rolled eyes and exaggerated huffs at the end of the day.NQT, what you fail to grasp is that I am not letting you win. Not only that but birdy will randomize destinations, so even if I did nothing, he would make your victory even harder.
"'My only chance of winning' is a simple concept that you're wilfully failing to grasp."
Post by: notquitethere on July 29, 2013, 11:21:25 am
Post by: griffinpup on July 29, 2013, 11:26:04 am
Rolled eyes and exaggerated huffs at the end of the day.NQT:
"'My only chance of winning' is a simple concept that you're wilfully failing to grasp."
Decide a possible scenario tonight that would allow you to win. Possible as in DS attempting to thwart you.
Also, what you fail to grasp is that DS literally can't win if I stay in my house.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 29, 2013, 11:38:51 am
(2)Griffion - Birdy51, Notquitethere
(0)Deathsword -
(0)Notquitethere -
(2)Birdy51 - Deathsword, Griffion
(0)Not Voting:
After some bickering during the twilight, the remaining students go home for the night.
No character art and the town map hasn't changed from last time.
Night 5 will last until Tuesday 7/30 at 11 PM EST Send in your actions.
Post by: ToonyMan on July 30, 2013, 08:19:54 pm
An inquisitive teacher asks the four students why they don't just expel the final bully, but matters have become complicated in the desolate classroom.
There is no character art to share and the town map has not changed.
Day 6 has begun!
Day 6 will last until Friday 8/2 at 11 PM EST
Post by: birdy51 on July 30, 2013, 09:10:30 pm
On the lighter note, now my character actually is lonely instead of me just pretending that she was!
Now. Once more, obligatory vote on Griffinpup...
NQT, I'm surprised to see you are still around. I suppose I should be happy, as it means I get to live for another day but... Under the circumstances, I would prefer to see you win, even if it is at my expense. At this point, you're the only player playing his role the way it was meant to be played!
I was scum and am now acting like a Townie trying to defend himself what is a wrongful lynch, Griffinpup was town but is now playing the scum game of preventing other players from winning for his own sake, and Deathsword is attempting to both commit suicide and take me out at the same time. Now that I've had a few days off, the whole situation is so very laughably both terrible and ironic. Logic and reason has been flipped upside down, and what's wrong is suddenly correct and what I saw was the correct move has gone terribly, terribly wrong!
Regardless, if you are still a willing ally, we shall try again tonight. If I achieve but one thing... It will be your victory. This I swear.
Assuming that Deathsword uses his redirect, we have very few options to defend against it. But, I noted one thing that Toonyman said. If we place our redirects on the same house, a coin flip will decide which one wins out.
Now, here is one tidbit I didn't share because I didn't think it was important at the time when I made my claim. I can redirect a house to itself. For instance, we have houses W ,X, Y, Z. I can redirect any visitors to House W to houses X, Y, and W. This creates a hole in Deathswords little stall plan! The only problem is that the probability behind it is rather sketchy.
Even if I redirect you correctly, there is a chance that you'll end up somewhere where Griffinpup isn't. Then, there is also the possibility of him ending up at my unprotected House, which derails the whole entire point of the matter anyways! At this point though, that would be more a nuisance than a problem, considering his claim implies that his role is rather counter productive. He won't be able to hurt me and I won't be able to hurt him. Just like old times...
Anyways, how does this plan look to you?
Post by: Teneb on July 30, 2013, 09:37:34 pm
Could someone claim this silhouette?:
(http://img.ie/4i5t7.jpg)
It looks very boy-ish to me, yet it did not fufill my wincon.
Griff, did you leave your house last night?
Post by: birdy51 on July 30, 2013, 11:12:17 pm
I have a few questions, and I'd really like if someone answered at least the first one:
Could someone claim this silhouette?:
(http://img.ie/4i5t7.jpg)
It looks very boy-ish to me, yet it did not fufill my wincon.
Griff, did you leave your house last night?
Wait, what!?!
You got him to your house? How are you still here?
Regardless, I can verify many times over that what you are looking at is Griffinpup's Silhouette. Shinigami visited his House on Day 2, and I have already stated that we have spent two nights together, once on Night 1 and most recently I spent the night with him on Night 4. The fact that he didn't satisfy your wincon baffles me completely... Was someone else in the House with you?
Post by: notquitethere on July 30, 2013, 11:18:23 pm
Post by: Teneb on July 31, 2013, 06:09:45 am
"Deathsword-san, this is why you shouldn't lie when we're making plans for mutual benefit. I went to house 4 as well and saw the boy and the girl with the puffy skirt, speaking Spanish. What happened to not being able to leave the house? (Oh yeah, you know ages back I claimed to be NK-immune? That's because I'm invisible at night!)"I am the girl. Also I can leave my house. (A third party lying to further his win-con? *gasp*). Also I don't trust birdy. He is scum, and his wincon involves making griff lose. Griff loses, I lose.
You are truly naive, NQT, if you think that birdy is after victory for anyone other than himself. And when I said that I was not letting you win, I meant it.
Post by: notquitethere on July 31, 2013, 06:17:57 am
"Birdy-san, Deathsword-san doesn't appear to be being co-operative. Let's out 'em today so I can win in the night and you win tomorrow. Sound good?"
"Griff-kun, what were you saying yesterday about the number of votes you have?"
"Also, shorten. No need for a long day."
Post by: griffinpup on July 31, 2013, 07:42:33 am
I lose my vote when I don't spend a night with someone.
Post by: griffinpup on July 31, 2013, 07:55:11 am
Post by: Teneb on July 31, 2013, 08:49:44 am
NQT, there can be only one.
Post by: Teneb on July 31, 2013, 08:51:38 am
Oppose shortenEBWOB:
NQT, there can be only one.
Forgot to include that the oppose shorten is until griff gets back or I am sure of my victory.
Post by: birdy51 on July 31, 2013, 02:39:53 pm
"Deathsword-san, of course Birdy-san is after victory: which'll be achieved when we're both out of the game. We have to be alone with the boy-- what did you expect to happen last night?"
"Birdy-san, Deathsword-san doesn't appear to be being co-operative. Let's out 'em today so I can win in the night and you win tomorrow. Sound good?"
"Griff-kun, what were you saying yesterday about the number of votes you have?"
"Also, shorten. No need for a long day."
I can agree to that. Unvote, Deathsword. I'll also be throwing out a Shorten as well.
Post by: griffinpup on August 01, 2013, 10:48:38 am
I'm not going to change my vote from birdy, so if you don't want to get lynched DS, you should probably vote him as well. Or you can be lynched. Whatever. I'm kinda done with this game.
oppose shorten because you want one. This game has been pretty much ruined so far.
Post by: Teneb on August 01, 2013, 11:15:15 am
remove oppose
shorten
Post by: notquitethere on August 01, 2013, 11:28:06 am
Post by: griffinpup on August 01, 2013, 11:51:17 am
shorten
It's not like there's anything for me to do any more. here's to hoping birdy somehow chokes to deathtonight.
Love the rainbow. Taste the rainbow. Choke on the rainbow, birdy :P
Post by: Teneb on August 01, 2013, 11:55:29 am
"Deathsword-san, are you going to go to Griff-kun's house again tonight? Because if we both keep doing that the game will go on forever. If we follow the original plan, we both have an even chance of winning."Not if he stays in his house, as he did last night. Then only you have a chance of winning.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 01, 2013, 12:21:04 pm
(0)Griffion -
(2)Deathsword - Notquitethere, Birdy51
(0)Notquitethere -
(3)Birdy51 - Griffinpup, Deathsword, Griffinpup
(0)Not Voting:
Notquitethere, Deathsword, and Griffinpup have requested a shorten. Day has been shortened by 24 hours.
Day 6 will last until Thursday 8/1 at 11 PM EST or in about 10~ hours.
Post by: notquitethere on August 01, 2013, 01:08:13 pm
Post by: Teneb on August 01, 2013, 01:43:43 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 01, 2013, 02:33:26 pm
MOD: Is the votecount correct?
Of course it's correct.
It's his ability. He spent a night with two girls, so he gets two votes.
Post by: birdy51 on August 01, 2013, 02:48:17 pm
Both of you can still win, but it's just a simple matter of communication. I know you do not trust me on the idea that I don't have a Night Kill Deathsword, but even if I did, none of the scum had the ability to fight couples. When a man and woman get together, Love prevails over bullying.
Let's bury the hatchet and move on to a conclusion that doesn't involve lynching each other. Thus... Unvote, Griffinpup.
Meh. Hatin the world right now. But whatever,
shorten
It's not like there's anything for me to do any more. here's to hoping birdy somehow chokes to deathtonight.
Love the rainbow. Taste the rainbow. Choke on the rainbow, birdy :P
Rainbows! My only weakness!
How did you know?!
Post by: notquitethere on August 01, 2013, 03:27:46 pm
"Deathsword-san, of course it's the right count: this is what Griff-kun claimed and Toony-senpai wouldn't get both the number and the person wrong at the same time."
Post by: birdy51 on August 01, 2013, 10:35:03 pm
It's over. I tried, but alas some things are not to be.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 02, 2013, 02:07:28 pm
(0)Griffion -
(2)Deathsword - Notquitethere, Birdy51
(0)Notquitethere -
(3)Birdy51 - Griffinpup, Deathsword, Griffinpup
(0)Not Voting:
"No, no, no, no!! What the hell are you thinking Deathsword-san??" Screamed a deranged Birdy-san like a bird.
"There could have been winners, like me and you and everybody!"
The recently emptying classroom has grown barren. Teachers are overstaffed and lately were being laid off. Then again, with a school that only had 16 students enrolled there was only need for a couple teachers at most.
A stone statue of an man steps into the classroom at that moment, it was Birdy's Father.
"Birdy, accept your loses, we'll have our chance next time..."
Nerjin nods reluctantly and grabs onto her father's leg, uninterruptedly wings sprout from his back and he jumps onto the roof from Thug-kun's hole.
"Remember what I told you to say at this part!" Ordered her father.
At the same time they boast, "THIS GAME WAS UNBALANCED AND THE MOD IS A HAAAAAAACK" as they begin their journey towards the horizon.
Childhood Friend-san (mafia girl) has been expelled! House 6 has been evicted! The yarn ball was lost in oblivion...
Griffinpup as Bishie Rival-kun (town boy) has fulfilled their victory condition and won!
Deathsword as Moe-tan (third-party girl) can no longer win and therefore has lost!
Notquitethere as Quiet Glasses Reading-san (third-party girl) can no longer win and therefore has lost!
Spoiler: End Game Shot (click to show/hide)
GAME OVER
TOWN WIN
Winners:
Griffinpup
Captain Ford
Dariush
Lenglon
Leafsnail
Tiruin
Losers:
Zombie Urist
Shinigami_King
Birdy51
Vector
Toaster
Phantom of the Library
RangerCado
Deathsword
Notquitethere
Solifuge
Group Chats:
Scum Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/typb7e2LbUf)
Princess-Sama's Fun House (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/fyvxtr28SmTc)
LEEK (Dead) Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6bTcbMuijS2WR)
. On Night3 you will come down from space in a rocket and can choose which house to crash into and occupy yourself. You will take this player's house and they will be eliminated from the game. You will not harm anybody else. Choose wisely. You may still post and scum-hunt during the day. But you have no vote or night-actions and can not be lynched until Day4. You must choose a house to crash into unless you want to eliminate yourself from the game.Spoiler: EVENTS OF THE GAME (warning, large) (click to show/hide)
Uh, so that's that.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 02, 2013, 02:11:53 pm
Post by: Dariush on August 02, 2013, 02:14:53 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 02, 2013, 02:22:29 pm
Make the third-party more pro-town or actually town to shun scum from claiming.
Make third-party wincons more varied.
Have roles that were actually involved around you know, lovers (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lover)...
Post by: Toaster on August 02, 2013, 02:24:57 pm
MEOWMEOWMEOWMEOW WHERE'S THE DOOR still made me laugh.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 02, 2013, 02:29:04 pm
I can see the idea was to have a small town faction and lots of town assistants, but I think the town assistants weren't pro-town enough, particularly in that they could not lynch the last mafia member. If the third parties could endgame win providing a town boy was still alive then I think the game would've been a lot more balanced, and would've still had the "there's a chance of betrayal" element.
Post by: ToonyMan on August 02, 2013, 02:32:23 pm
So wait, was I town-aligned at the end or not?It was a decision I never ended up making. I only had the thought because I was afraid the mafia would win too quickly (which I felt was quite true during like, Day 2) and needed a semblance of balance.
EDIT:
Another idea I had when the game had already started was having every player be a lover tied with someone else. That would mean when somebody died another player would as well, but with 16 players it could still work as a game (basically being 8 players).
The main mechanic I had in mind was the house movement during the night. It's something I've thought of for a while and wanted to use it for a game at some point. It never really became a huge point in this game though.
Post by: griffinpup on August 02, 2013, 02:33:26 pm
But good game everyone, and I'm obviously new and not very good, so any suggestions are definitely welcome.
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2013, 02:46:43 pm
How else would I have flown through the roof like a badass like that. >:D
Post by: Xantalos on August 02, 2013, 02:49:23 pm
Pro-tip for mafia aligned players: Don't claim mafiaSince the games over I'm just going to sig this.
Post by: Leafsnail on August 02, 2013, 02:50:18 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2013, 02:54:27 pm
Then my pride got in the way... And I burned some bridges due to getting a bit hot headed. That's truly what screwed me over in the end, along with Deathsword's unwillingness to trust me. Looking back, I can't really blame him too much.
Post by: Shakerag on August 02, 2013, 03:21:55 pm
Also, from Princess-chat:
Quote from: ToonyMan
If by poorest you mean "least bat-shit insane" then sure.Quote from: Princess of the Library"((Does having played a third of the way through Fate/Stay: Night count as having read a visual novel?))"Kind of. I guess that means just the Fate route? That's the poorest one though!
Post by: Leafsnail on August 02, 2013, 04:39:58 pm
e: her very uninteresting cook.
Post by: notquitethere on August 02, 2013, 05:05:44 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2013, 07:14:36 pm
Deathsword should have been playing closer to his win con... there's no accounting for other players. In general I liked this game. The choice of house each night gave most players the fun of investigation and the pictures added to the feel. I would play another Toony game.
I was a bit miffed as well, but at the end of the day, there is really no set way to play the game. Plus, he didn't believe me when I said I didn't have the Night Kill, which permanently marked me as scummy in his eyes, even if my scum game was relatively dead! :D
I think my voting of him earlier in the day was the final nail in the coffin.
Post by: Teneb on August 02, 2013, 07:16:26 pm
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2013, 07:29:20 pm
Wow, dang. I thought I saw you on and just ignored us for the sake of ignoring us. :P
Tehe... I probably shouldn't have went for that shorten.
EDIT: Oh, and I hope the project goes over well for you!
Post by: Leafsnail on August 02, 2013, 07:36:47 pm
Post by: Teneb on August 02, 2013, 07:40:57 pm
EDIT: Oh, and I hope the project goes over well for you!It's been already delivered, but thanks. I actually logged on at the day's end, and was going to unvote, but I was needed to solve a problem (project-related, of course) and eventually I just forgot.
Post by: birdy51 on August 02, 2013, 07:42:14 pm
As a general rule if you are the last mafia member you should try and avoid being lynched, yes.
I had already shortened earlier in the day, before Griffinpup's vote. Part of me knew that his ability was to double vote, but I wasn't prepared properly for Deathsword's vote on me. Simple bad luck!
Post by: griffinpup on August 02, 2013, 09:20:07 pm
Why did ZU also claim?
And did you really think that they'd go along with your plan of lynching town boys?
Post by: Lenglon on August 03, 2013, 01:15:42 am
...98 percent of my brain matter rotted away and the rest came alive and...So Dariush is a zombie? interesting.
Post by: Dariush on August 03, 2013, 03:16:41 am
No, zombies still have at least part of their brain intact. I instead began randomly interjecting weabooshy terms into my speech. (though you obviously won't notice that, since why would you hear me speak, duh)...98 percent of my brain matter rotted away and the rest came alive and...So Dariush is a zombie? interesting.
Post by: Solifuge on August 03, 2013, 03:39:06 am
The cat-person and satellite-girl were hilarious. Much kudos.
Post by: Toaster on August 03, 2013, 04:51:52 pm
Post by: Tiruin on August 03, 2013, 06:50:04 pm
I suppose I should retire this avatar and bring back the standard. But it's so purdy!Keep the Toon Mafia avatars. :p
The new smiling Toaster seems better. Also, it's chromatic.
Post by: Lenglon on August 04, 2013, 02:11:33 am
+1I suppose I should retire this avatar and bring back the standard. But it's so purdy!Keep the Toon Mafia avatars. :p
The new smiling Toaster seems better. Also, it's chromatic.
Post by: Toaster on August 04, 2013, 09:14:17 pm
Post by: Shinigami_King on August 04, 2013, 09:41:37 pm
Post by: griffinpup on August 04, 2013, 09:52:42 pm
Post by: notquitethere on August 05, 2013, 03:33:03 am
Post by: Dariush on August 05, 2013, 06:47:24 am
The 3rd party players were more town-aligned than not, but on reflection we might have had a better chance if we'd pressed for a draw each day instead of lynching known scum. Hard to co-ordinate though.Yeah, saying 'no lynch' is such an incredibly hard thing to do.
Post by: notquitethere on August 05, 2013, 06:55:40 am
Post by: griffinpup on August 05, 2013, 10:37:22 am
Post by: ToonyMan on August 05, 2013, 11:01:52 am
Post by: Shinigami_King on August 05, 2013, 02:01:25 pm
Post by: Leafsnail on August 05, 2013, 02:23:16 pm
Post by: notquitethere on August 06, 2013, 12:07:38 am
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2013, 04:38:14 am
Post by: Tiruin on August 06, 2013, 04:54:36 am
Problem is the situations in which a No-Lynch is actually handy is very rare. After all, one of the first rules of Mafia is to always lynch.Oh no you don't.
One of the first ideal rules is to always lynch as this gives information to townies. The situation varies on its usefulness and depending on the context, a no-lynch can be favorable.
The 3rd party players were more town-aligned than not, but on reflection we might have had a better chance if we'd pressed for a draw each day instead of lynching known scum. Hard to co-ordinate though.*Hey everyone let's claim scum and sway the audience to our side to lynch town ahahaahha!!*
> Removes fun of Mafia.
> Cheap way to win. :I
> Subterfuge is better.
> My QED.
Post by: Dariush on August 06, 2013, 04:54:45 am
After all, one of the first rules of Mafia is to always lynch.Lolwut. No, this is stupid.
*Hey everyone let's claim scum and sway the audience to our side to lynch town ahahaahha!!*You forgot > Doesn't work when the third party needs the town to be alive to win.
> Removes fun of Mafia.
> Cheap way to win. :I
> Subterfuge is better.
> My QED.
Post by: Dariush on August 06, 2013, 04:57:58 am
Post by: Leafsnail on August 06, 2013, 10:44:01 am
Maybe publicising that fact in future Toon mafia might be a plan...Or you could remember it's a standard rule (it's generally more notable if you can't vote NL).
Post by: birdy51 on August 06, 2013, 02:44:24 pm
After all, one of the first rules of Mafia is to always lynch.Lolwut. No, this is stupid.
Maybe I'm just bloodthirsty then. O.o
Post by: notquitethere on August 12, 2013, 03:16:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 13, 2013, 01:24:43 pm
(also I wanted to be silly)
Also, if you noticed, all of the girls who didn't need a male companion all got them pretty early on. Like Tiruin or Nerjin.
Post by: notquitethere on August 13, 2013, 01:48:19 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on August 13, 2013, 02:32:48 pm