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Title: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 14, 2013, 12:51:05 am
So I'm working hard on my portfolio now.  Going to start updating a thread to try and maintain a high level of motivation.

I'm going to start with my most recent D&D character.  He's a beefy alchemist juicer type guy and an animal-person race based on water buffalo.  I can't find the specific species/pictures that I originally based him off of, but the part I was most interested in were the horns.  Something like this (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Bubalus_arnee_schaedel.JPG), except straight and angled back a bit more.  So big, thick skull and a badass set of v-shaped horns shooting back off his forehead.

I started today by making his tower shield.  It has lots of pouches and a fold-out shelf on the back, so all he has to do is jam that spike into the ground and he can do his alchemy stuff wherever (and sell drugs).  It's about 550 vertices with 1024x1024 diffuse, normal, and specularity maps.  So this would be perfectly suitable for importing into a modern game like Skyrim or something.  The character is supposed to have a sort of shamanistic background, so I wanted to make it rough-looking.  Like it was made with heavy, unrefined materials and primitive tools.  Not sure how I like it, though.  Will probably try to refine it tomorrow, as well as get started on modeling the character himself.

I really should post videos.  Screenshots just don't do this stuff justice.  You can't see how the normal maps make for depth in the wood grain and stuff.

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Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on April 14, 2013, 10:07:14 am
He's a beefy alchemist juicer type guy and an animal-person race based on water buffalo.
ISWYDT.

Nice work.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 14, 2013, 10:12:50 am
He's a beefy alchemist juicer type guy and an animal-person race based on water buffalo.
ISWYDT.

Oh!  Yes... yes you go ahead and believe that was intentional :P
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: Sheb on April 15, 2013, 07:49:59 am
Dang, and me who was hoping to find Occupy-related stuff. :p

Nah, just kidding, nice shield. I always liked complex weapons like that, even if they are in all likelihood less practical, never let your GM argue that! My favourite was the lantern shield. And yes, I dual-wielded those.

Spoiler: Lantern Shield (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 15, 2013, 08:17:05 am
Yeah.  It's fantasy.  Rule of Cool and all :D
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 27, 2013, 05:55:46 am
Bam.  Two week detour.  Just as I'm getting started.  Thanks, life.

I'm getting back to it now.  Trying to tackle the character.  Just started pulling shapes from a dynamesh sphere in zbrush.  Focusing on the bust first.  I haven't tried to do humanoid anatomy in so long.  I'm trying to be more creative about this and actually blend human/animal features instead of just making him a minotaur/bull head stuck on a human body, but oh god this is so hard what am I doing.

(http://i.imgur.com/4wHlqZs.png)

*deep breath*

I'll have this looking like something more than a lumpy space person before the weekend's over. (just keep telling yourself that)  Have I mentioned that lips are the devil?  Noses are evil, too.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: Spaghetti7 on April 27, 2013, 06:07:33 am
Looking nice, can't wait to see how it turns out. It's really detailed already: nice bones visible by the horns.
Have I mentioned that lips are the devil?  Noses are evil, too.
I think you've done a damn fine job of them.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 27, 2013, 09:59:15 am
I'm actually becoming quite happy with this.  Didn't take as long to reach this point as I thought it would.  Still wrestling with the mouth, but I'm definitely getting closer there.  Made major adjustment to the style of lips and shape of the lower jaw to better express the animal aspect.  He's looking less like some kind of weird demon now and much more like the animal-person combination I'm going for.

(http://i.imgur.com/L9JvjnF.png)

And this is it.  I'm calling the head done here.  I'm pretty happy with it.  Time for sleep.  Tomorrow: the rest of the body.

(http://i.imgur.com/FRkmtnb.png)

Saw the interactive 3d model viewing web services someone posted in Euld's modeling thread, and decided to give them a try.  p3d seems to have a better looking renderer, except it can't seem to read normal maps without producing artifacts.  So I threw that shield up on Sketchfab.  Doesn't look great, but then still shots don't do justice to 3d models.

Actually... it's not so bad after some further exploration.  I rather like this thing.  Looking at some other people's uploads, it looks like this thing can be pushed pretty far.

Alchemist's Tower Shield (click to view in 3D (http://skfb.ly/5l4ihg21db))
(http://sketchfab.com/urls/ttno7xCHuZqES7jWmTghX36cS00/thumbnail_448.png?v=1367125560) (http://skfb.ly/5l4ihg21db)
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 28, 2013, 07:18:11 am
Aaaaaargh anatomy is hard!!! *whimper sob*

It's slow, but it's progress.

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Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: wierd on April 28, 2013, 02:05:57 pm
You should consider the skeletal structure underneath, and how the muscles attach.

I sometimes sculpt in clay, and muscles are additive over the skeleton. Zbrush is a LOT like sculpting clay. That's its strong point. 

Here's a female nude I did a LOOOOONG time ago. (photobucket didnt like the front pic! Deleted it from my library! Might have been the boobies. Seriously. Crap like that would delete images of Michelangelo's David. Art isnt porn, and they shouldn't censor it.)
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Note the bone and tendon structure in the hand.

I cheated somewhat when I made this. I created a generalized mirror symmetric humanoid body in another program, then brought it into zbrush with the OBJ import for detail work. The standard "sphere" starting material has a pernicious pair of verticies at the top and bottom that I hate with passion.

While it may draw unwanted attention, the internet is FULL of pictures of naked people of both genders. Dont be afraid of pulling some good samples from this resource for use as artistic models.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 28, 2013, 08:42:49 pm
Thanks for commenting!

In the past when I've done humanoids (only a couple times), I've started from a pre-made human model or blocked out shapes directly on top of photo reference (multiple perfectly aligned views of the same model).  I also have a couple skeleton models I could work directly on top of.

But I'm trying to develop my character modeling skills a step further by just eyeballing it.  I'm using reference, of course, but finding appropriate reference is difficult.  I want him to be fairly large, without being fully obnoxious juggernaut orcish physique.  It's difficult to find stuff that hits that in-between.  I've had the most success with bodybuilders.  The internet wants to feed me the most obnoxious examples of people deformed by steroids, but I've found some more moderate ones.  What really tops off the difficulty there is game characters need to be modeled in a T-Pose for animation purposes, so finding references in a pose that's actually useful is really difficult.  Escorches are useful, too, but not as much as a good well-lit real-life model.

Just need lots of practice is all.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: wierd on April 28, 2013, 09:03:04 pm
hehehehehehh...

You could always do it the way I often am forced to, given the tools I have access to. (rather, the lack thereof...)

Take for instance, building a humanoid head using hand drawn splinar sections, like this...

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Literally, purely eyeballed/imagined curves drawn freeform, at radial intersections, for the purposes of controlling the creation of NURBS surface features.

It's how I made this ugly guy.
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To model in that program (Dassault Systemes CATIA-- its high end industrial CAD.) I have to build generalized sectional contours, and then drive surfaces through those. Think, building a body from CAT scan slices type approach, with some interpolation between slices.  Building in Zbrush is FAR more intuitive/easier! LOL!

What I did for the naked lady was build a generalized head, minus detailed figures, with a head, torso, arms, legs, hands (with fingers) and feet (with toes). It was only a rough approximation, given the limitations of the software. I exported that as an STL, opened that with blender, saved a wavefront OBJ, and pulled that into Zbrush.  Naked woman there is 100% my work. :D

Zbrush sucks hard at creation of the initial humanoid form, as you have no doubt experienced. Turning up the texel level high enough to bud out individual fingers and toes, and still have enough detail level left over to put actual lifelike features on them results in billions of polygons in places they arent needed, and pernicious verticies can ruin your day.  That's why I elected to build the general humanoid body outside of Zbrush, and use Zbrush just for fine detail and tweaking.

This was the very ugly generalized humanoid trunk + arms + primitive head I used, in it's NURBS form:
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It had hands, legs, and feet when it was ready to be made into an OBJ for zbrush.

and this was the primitive hand with individual digits in nurbs form:
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(shiny plasticy texture is default color for nurbs data in catia.)

You can do it however you like, just dont be afraid to do certain things outside of zbrush.

If you practice enough you will get good, regardless. Just keep at it. I note that I am getting better at the splinar intersection build method I often have to resort to myself! I can do some pretty wild stuff now.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 28, 2013, 10:28:53 pm
Zbrush sucks hard at creation of the initial humanoid form, as you have no doubt experienced. Turning up the texel level high enough to bud out individual fingers and toes, and still have enough detail level left over to put actual lifelike features on them results in billions of polygons in places they arent needed, and pernicious verticies can ruin your day.  That's why I elected to build the general humanoid body outside of Zbrush, and use Zbrush just for fine detail and tweaking.

You should check out the Dynamesh feature, if you haven't.  It maintains a perfectly uniform polygon density across the surface, and you can control the density.  Bad vertices aren't a problem at all.  That whole body so far is about 900k polygons, and I don't expect it to get over 1.5 million.  If it gets too high, I can just turn down the density slider.  It's great for the shape-building stage.  Then you re-topologize that into a more production friendly mesh (I use Topogun) and you're ready for the high-detail work and texturing.  This is my basic process for anything made from scratch now, even hard-surface stuff.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: wierd on April 28, 2013, 11:05:52 pm
My foray into zbrush was over 4 years ago. When was this feature added?

(I just model for S&G, with no real intent for a use, so I don't bother with making texture maps, normal maps, and pals. The models I create don't use polygons since they are nurbs. I can generate them with as few or as many as I want on stl generation.)
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 29, 2013, 12:19:10 am
A couple years ago.  It's fairly new.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 29, 2013, 08:39:28 am
It's getting there.  Working on it off and on all weekend.  Not as far as I wanted to be, but I wouldn't say I'm doing badly for only my 2nd serious attempt ever at humanoid anatomy and first attempt at working it freehand.

(http://i.imgur.com/P0tTAKq.png)
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: Ameablable on April 29, 2013, 02:19:49 pm
This is for D&D you say?
so are you gonna make him doing an awesome pose then Use a 3d printer and make a model and paint it? :P
'cause that'd be awesome!
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: wierd on April 29, 2013, 05:56:48 pm
There was a slashdot thread about this very subject not long ago. (3d printing in the consumer space)

There was (imho) a useful post for someone considering sinking cash into a 3d printer for artistic purposes. It suggested buying an Ultimaker, over getting a makerbot, a thingomatic, or a reprap, and linked to a blog demonstrating build quality (http://davedurant.wordpress.com/2011/10/12/ultimaker-faq-but-what-about-the-quality-of-prints/).

That's sufficiently high for a "largish" D&D playpiece, but not for a small one, or at least, not without manual cleanup with teensy tiny tools and a big magnifying lens.

I have actually wanted to get into making minis for people, but don't have any connections, and so haven't invested a lot in equipment or supplies. (Surprisingly, leadfree casting at home is reasonably easy. I made a 99% tin pendant as a test piece. I gave it to a friend of mine. I should ask for pics.)

Sadly, 2000$ (or more) for a decent consumer grade 3D printer is too rich for my blood.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 29, 2013, 06:34:28 pm
A friend of mine recently got a Printrbot (http://printrbot.com/shop/plus/).  He's been improving the build quality of the machine over the last month or so by printing out upgrades for it.  Last I saw, it was capable of some pretty nice detail.  I'll probably have him print out a couple models for me over the summer, and he wants to make a print of my old Cacodemon model for himself.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: wierd on April 29, 2013, 08:09:38 pm
That's cheap enough that I might be able to afford getting one.

What kind of upgrades did he need to print?
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 29, 2013, 08:58:58 pm
Don't know.  I haven't seen the machine myself.  I just know he's talked about how it can be modularly upgraded with parts that it can print out for itself.  I've seen three different things that he's printed out, and the layering is definitely getting smaller and more detailed.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: wierd on April 29, 2013, 09:35:55 pm
It sounds gearing related, specifically with the stepper motors, but I could be wrong.

Meh. I have so may hobbies already.. it's probably spend most of its life turned off in a corner drawing dust.

(Eg, right now: I have a hammock I am making, I have pixel art obligations in another thread, I have started blueprints for that medieval set of looms, and I have my normal job related tasks. I have too many interests, and not enough time.)




Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on April 29, 2013, 10:25:48 pm
I have too many interests, and not enough time.

Right there with you.

One thing I'd love to do, but will probably never have enough time for:  Run an epic community fort and then turn it into a 3d-illustrated comic.
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: Euld on April 29, 2013, 10:29:38 pm
Although organic things aren't my forte, I gotta say you're kicking ass  :o  Very nicely done!
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on May 05, 2013, 01:31:52 pm
My wife just finished up her last week of school.  More interruptions. 

Just finished making this.  Only took a couple hours.  My brother is cosplaying as Zidane from FF9.  This is the dagger that Garnet uses to cut her hair.  Our friend with the 3d printer is going to make this real so he can carry it around as part of his costume.

(http://i.imgur.com/rhZD9Pt.png)
Title: Re: SalmonGod's Portfolio Blitz
Post by: SalmonGod on February 01, 2016, 12:26:14 am
Mucked about with Doom for the first time in a year or so tonight.  Gave Project Brutality my first quick try.  Having issues with special effects causing slowdowns...

The reason I'm bringing it up here is I've been depressed as fuck and lacking motivation to do much of anything with what free time I have.  Been wasting it on stupid shit.  Doom is making me feel like picking up ZBrush again for the first time in 3 years to make some HD sprite sheets for the Doom monsters.  Something that game has deserved, and I've wanted to do for a very long time.