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Title: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 28, 2013, 05:24:22 pm
After the last two Pokemon Leagues run by Akroma went....sourly, I, the God of Shipping, have decided to try my hand at this.

As per usual, we will be hosting this on Pokemon Showdown, on OU tier.

Please note that there will be NO arguments based on personal attack tolerated on this thread. If there is one, both participants will be immediately disqualified from the current tournament and then asked politely to leave the thread. Debate about points, it's fine, but heated personal attacks will not be tolerated.

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/ (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/)
Here is the URL for Pokemon Showdown. Any old competitors are free to join.

Please note that any Uber tier Pokemon are banned, and due to the website filter, will not need be placed in this post unless requested.

Otherwise, have fun!

Rules:
1. NO ARGUING INVOLVING PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL BE TOLERATED ON MY PREMISES. As much as I would not mind 'heated debate', if it starts degrading into personal attacks, the participants will be disqualified from the current tournament and the participants will be politely asked to vacate the thread. Please control yourselves, lest the Toad ban Pokemon on these forums.
2. Unless stated, no Pokemon or Formes of said Pokemon are to be used from the banlist.
3. No Fakemons unless stated.
4. If you would like to join, kindly PM me a request. Any requests via the thread will be summarily and blatantly ignored.
5. Finally, please, treat your opponents nicely. If there is any unsportsmanlike behaviour, I will be forced to immediately disqualify the unsportsmanlike competitor. Again, we don't want Pokemon to be banned on these forums.
6. If you would like to request a simple casual match, feel free to post the request on this thread.

Players:
Scapheap
IamanElfCollaborator (The Venerated GM)
Akroma
Kansa
MaximumMcDreich
Culise
Rolepgeek
ICBM pilot
Person
DaveTheGrave

Tournaments:
Casuals- Any team, any theme. Done.
Shipping- Doubles, love is in the air Ongoing.

Special Events:
None.

Banned Pokemon:
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys
Dialga
Excadrill
Genesect
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Kyurem
Landorus
Lugia
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Reshiram
Thundurus
Tornadus
Zekrom
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 28, 2013, 05:37:53 pm
As I felt the whole 'strict Tournament' feel was putting people off, I've decided to have a little fun.

Our first tournament will be Casuals: Whatever Pokemon, whatever moveset.
Ubers and Fakemons are still banned, but feel free to pick whatever Pokemon you feel like.

Post your teams to me in a spoiler and I'll start writing up brackets soon.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Heron TSG on August 28, 2013, 05:56:11 pm
I'll throw in my signature NU team from like 6 months ago. Not my best work, but a fun one.

Spoiler: The Ninja, The Samurai, and the Giant Robot (AKA Thunder Hawk Tortoise) (click to show/hide)

EDIT: Some changes were made to make the team less NU-specific. For example, I don't think I need to worry about other peoples' offensive screens Gardevoirs getting my Samurott into Torrent range.  :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 28, 2013, 05:57:51 pm
Ahem.
Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator
If you would like to join, please PM me a request.
You're good otherwise.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Furtuka on August 28, 2013, 06:20:51 pm
Ptw
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 28, 2013, 08:01:33 pm
I'd like to ask something.

We will have arguments. Hopefully, none about the OOC stuff, but there will be, at the least, discussions about what to do for the next tourney and such.

Perhaps we should set up a discussion thread? We've already gone through two already, if we set up a discussion thread with rules about debates and discussions(and anyone not following them is, as you say, asked politely to leave), hopefully we can avoid the issue in a more productive manner.

In addition to this, would you be willing to post the brackets for any tournaments the rest of us might run, if we sent you the link? I've been wanting to have a double tourney.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 28, 2013, 09:48:36 pm
rpgeek
it's to hard for some people to keep track of multiple threads, but I think it is a good idea to allow debates.
elfcollaborator
can you link http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/ and maybe clauses in the op?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 12:15:33 am
Quote from: ICBM pilot on August 28, 2013, 09:48:36 pm
rpgeek
it's to hard for some people to keep track of multiple threads, but I think it is a good idea to allow debates.
elfcollaborator
can you link http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/ (http://www.smogon.com/bw/tiers/) and maybe clauses in the op?
Fine. Some degree of argument is permitted. However, if it starts getting to the point that people are angry about it, I am shutting both participants down. I have no intention of getting this game banned. Sorry if I sound draconian, but as the last two games ended because of arguments...

Also, as there may be new players, the Smogon tier lists aren't going to be used, primarily as they may not get what they are. Instead I will post an Ubers list myself.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: DaveTheGrave on August 29, 2013, 01:40:15 am
Lez try this again.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 01:45:10 am
Are you joining?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 04:02:30 am
Quote from: Barbarossa TSG on August 28, 2013, 05:56:11 pm
I'll throw in my signature NU team from like 6 months ago. Not my best work, but a fun one.

Spoiler: The Ninja, The Samurai, and the Giant Robot (AKA Thunder Hawk Tortoise) (click to show/hide)


huh, interesting choices there. running ninjask without baton pass, well, I guess that's NU for you.


But question, why does Samurott have 0 special defence IVs? I mean, classical sword-dance moveset, torrent ability...the only effect I see is that it takes more damage....Is that some NU thing?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Kansa on August 29, 2013, 04:58:17 am
PTW
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Heron TSG on August 29, 2013, 05:40:23 am
Quote from: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 04:02:30 am
huh, interesting choices there. running ninjask without baton pass, well, I guess that's NU for you.


But question, why does Samurott have 0 special defence IVs? I mean, classical sword-dance moveset, torrent ability...the only effect I see is that it takes more damage....Is that some NU thing?
The Ninjask set I'm using is one of my own creation that enjoys very mild popularity for a couple really specific reasons that really only apply to modern NU. Namely, it beat the pants off of Jynx, Scolipede, and Primeape when all three of them dropped to NU in March 2013. (It also does alright against other threats like Gardevoir, Sawk, and Ludicolo, but mostly it beats Jynx.) Baton Pass is really situational and I don't like it for ladder teams (which is what this was) because someone is going to carry Rock Blast to beat up your substitutes. Especially with how common Focus Sash Scolipede is as a lead, almost every Golem has it. Sometimes I run Baton Pass as an escape over U-Turn to evade Pursuits and Sucker Punches, but I like the momentum that U-Turn provides when I can guarantee that my Pokemon is the fastest one in. The EV spread is specific for surviving all types of priority (other than sucker punch) in NU after stealth rock damage. I kinda wrote a book on E-Belt Ninjask, it's my favorite.  :P

As for the 0 SpD IV, that's to get it safely into Torrent range while switching in to or taking on the nose a few common attacks that normally would not. I'll probably change that for these matches because I really doubt many people will be running LO Special Rampardos or Scarf Zebstrika. Though everyone likes Gardevoir, so maybe...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 05:56:48 am
special rampardos?


w..w...why?


it's like using a fully loaded gun to bludgeon someone instead of shooting him. is that really a thing in NU ?



question: how is the policy os changes in the team between battles?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 06:26:12 am
Changing teams is probably fine for casuals, but I doubt that's what you're asking. Anyway, I'm open for casual battles. Team is mostly OU, but I have no idea what I'm doing for the most part anyway so a fair bit of it is copy pasta from smogon. The individual pokemon are for the most part, but a few of the ones I chose only really had one or two good ways do to what I wanted anyway. The team I sorta formed on my own. (No, it isn't weather.) Also, I think I might have too many sweepers if such a thing is possible. I might form a lower tier team eventually once I come up with a decent idea for one. It kinda seems like lower tiers are more diverse, where ou is basically made of all sweepers and the few defensive pokemon who can ignore them.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 06:28:07 am
Quote from: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 05:56:48 am
special rampardos?


w..w...why?


it's like using a fully loaded gun to bludgeon someone instead of shooting him. is that really a thing in NU ?



question: how is the policy os changes in the team between battles?
Permitted. It's casuals. One Pokemon per match, must share a type if you change it.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Furtuka on August 29, 2013, 06:31:50 am
What exactly does NU and OU and all that actually stand for btw?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 06:34:58 am
never used and over used


they are tier-ranks that were based originaly on how often a pokemon is statsiticaly used in competitive. Obviously the overused mons are rather strong, while pokemon that are never used are usualy never used for a reason.




over time, it evolved simply into which mons are strong and which not, etc, the names stuck.






also, no such thing as too many sweepers, hyper-offensive can work really well if you pull it off right. check my mono-bug team for example, that's 3 physical and 2 special sweepers, only one utility mon
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 06:34:58 am
Never Used and Over Used. :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 08:02:10 am
Spoiler: my team (click to show/hide)
Using the Skarmory, make me feel dirty for some reason. Maybe because I fought a similar one.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:06:17 am
Quote from: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 08:02:10 am
Spoiler: my team (click to show/hide)
Using the Skarmory, make me feel dirty for some reason. Maybe because I fought a similar one.
....I will now kiss the ground at your feet sir. I actually get half those references. Although Kyurem is banned.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 08:09:56 am
Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:06:17 am
Quote from: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 08:02:10 am
Spoiler: my team (click to show/hide)
Using the Skarmory, make me feel dirty for some reason. Maybe because I fought a similar one.
....I will now kiss the ground at your feet sir. I actually get half those references. Although Kyurem is banned.

Ah, it having -black made me think miss that. I'll post a replacement soon. Also which references, since I know one is a different one to the one most will think of.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:11:27 am
Blissey, Skarmory and Swampert. Their nicknames.

Also, I just realized what a horrible doubles team that would be. SkarmBliss; Outdated but still FUCKING POWERFUL.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 08:16:58 am
skarmory and blissey only work when you predict the enemy well, as they can only block either special or physical attacks. with the enemy in double-battles being free to choose who to attack, it's easy to work around.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:17:40 am
Quote from: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 08:16:58 am
skarmory and blissey only work when you predict the enemy well, as they can only block either special or physical attacks. with the enemy in double-battles being free to choose who to attack, it's easy to work around.
Two Wobuffets.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 08:18:08 am
Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:11:27 am
Blissey, Skarmory and Swampert. Their nicknames.

Also, I just realized what a horrible doubles team that would be. SkarmBliss; Outdated but still FUCKING POWERFUL.
I'm guessing you think that Skarmory is named after Vash from trigun, right? Unless you noticed my love of red heads(Ash Upton) and work out that it actually named after Vash from misfile.

I do like Swampert's name. Never played the game, but I know enough about the Waterwraith.

Spoiler: replacement (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:19:20 am
Quote from: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 08:18:08 am
Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:11:27 am
Blissey, Skarmory and Swampert. Their nicknames.

Also, I just realized what a horrible doubles team that would be. SkarmBliss; Outdated but still FUCKING POWERFUL.
I'm guessing you think that Skarmory is named after Vash from trigun, right? Unless you noticed my love of red heads(Ash Upton) and work out that it actually named after Vash from misfile.

I do like Swampert's name. Never played the game, but I know enough about the Waterwraith.

Spoiler: replacement (click to show/hide)
I saw that coming, having actually looked up Misfile. :3

Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 29, 2013, 08:21:51 am
there is a reason Kyurem wasn't used much even when it was in uu...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 08:31:17 am
Are there any other participants? I'm prepared just to run a couple of matches if there aren't.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 09:21:40 am
We still using the arts/crafts room to find each other? Also wait are these still actually themed? If so might have to change a few things. And finally, do we have to post our team? I've verified that I have nothing banned in mine. (I'll probably post mine anyway once changes are done if applicable.)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 09:22:56 am
1. Yes.
2. No, not themed, for now. These are just casuals.
3. Yes.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 09:28:30 am
Tryhard mode activate.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 09:30:51 am
Meh. I just threw together whatever Pokemon I could find a nickname for because reasons.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Guess that makes five.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Kansa on August 29, 2013, 09:42:35 am
Here is my team

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 10:08:26 am
Why is Kyurem banned?

Kyurem-white, yes, but just Kyurem?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 10:09:42 am
I don't like complex bans. :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 10:18:00 am
Guys, feel free to meet up on Arts and Crafts when you're ready.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 10:18:44 am
Come to think of it, why is Kyurem-white ban in the meta game and Kyurem-black not?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 10:19:33 am
A mystery only Arceus knows why. :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 10:20:48 am
It said something about lower speed and move pool, or something.

I still like using Kyurem-black, but that's at least half because of my ice team.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 29, 2013, 10:48:16 am
Odd ending to me and person game
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47725826 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47725826)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 10:50:16 am
Not sure what inspired me to include zapdos but I guess it worked out. (Having two dragon types probably helped.)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Heron TSG on August 29, 2013, 10:57:30 am
Kyu-B is okay in OU because, while its Outrage is pretty terrific, its Ice Beam is less so. Ice is a fantastic offensive type and Kyu-W gets base 170 special attack. Not a whole lot resists it, so you can just slap Specs on that thing and faceroll over most OU Pokemon.

Quote from: Akroma on August 29, 2013, 05:56:48 am
special rampardos?

w..w...why?

it's like using a fully loaded gun to bludgeon someone instead of shooting him. is that really a thing in NU ?
It's more like loading and using your gun instead of strapping some dynamite to it and throwing it at someone.  :P It should be a thing in basically any tier you'd want to use Rampardos. That Head Smash is really powerful, but chances are you will get only a single use of it before the opponent kills Rampardos or the recoil does. On the other hand, Rampardos has a ridiculously good special movepool to abuse with Sheer Force. With all the secondary effects from moves like Thunderbolt and Fire Blast, you don't even get Life Orb recoil.

252+ Atk Choice Band Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 400-472 (74.9 - 88.38%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Except not because the recoil from Alomomola's massive health pool will wreck Rampardos)
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Rampardos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Alomomola: 455-538 (85.2 - 100.74%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO

Nuke Rampardos has its uses, but it's really easy to predict and play around.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 11:23:11 am
Guess it's me against someone?
EDIT:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47732838
Close battle and excellent use of switches there by Person, but the day goes to me. Good game.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 11:32:54 am
Quote from: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 10:20:48 am
It said something about lower speed and move pool, or something.

I still like using Kyurem-black, but that's at least half because of my ice team.
170 SPAT STAB 140 BP DM, LOL.
...
I apologize; I can never resist poking fun at alphabet soup.  While they have the same speed, Kyurem-W gets Draco Meteor on its primary stat, while Kyurem-B has to settle for Outrage unless it runs a mixed or opposite set on the more acceptable 120 Special Attack.  Glancing over Smogon's counters, Kyurem-W can apparently knock out any Pokemon in two hits except Chansey, even in Ubers, while Kyurem-B gets tanked by Jirachi or physically-defensive Steel types that can resist that Dragon-type STAB and don't have to worry about Focus Blast or K-W's Fusion Flare.  I don't know why not, though; it seems to me that 120 Special Attack is still nothing to sneeze at for something like Focus Blast. 

I threw together a somewhat hasty team since we seem to be pulling everything together.  Mixed cocktail of Pokemon I loved in the games, Pokemon in the three tournament teams I put together that I didn't get to really use (two of which didn't even get seen), Pokemon from a PbP game that I never got to use, and Pokemon I find cute.  I can already see a couple glaring weaknesses, but...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 11:35:13 am
Also, due to the nature of this 'tourney', there will be no brackets. Just battling until we've all battled each other.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 11:39:52 am
Well, I might need to look up new pokemon types for a bit. Steel/fighting eh? Also might need to look up common speeds as well. Elf won against me. I made quite a few mistakes. Got lucky early in with stone edge accuracy but flinches and crits payed me back. Seems like choice scarf would be a good way to sweep my team since I don't have a poke with it.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 11:41:05 am
Quote from: Person on August 29, 2013, 11:39:52 am
Well, I might need to look up new pokemon types for a bit. Steel/fighting eh? Also might need to look up common speeds as well. Elf won against me. I made quite a few mistakes. Got lucky early in with stone edge accuracy but flinches and crits payed me back. Seems like choice scarf would be a good way to sweep my team since I don't have a poke with it.
To be honest I didn't expect Cobalion to do so much damage. I was expecting Gliscor and Infernape to sweep.

Nice use of switching though. Also, Dragonite.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 11:48:09 am
Quote from: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 11:41:05 am
Quote from: Person on August 29, 2013, 11:39:52 am
Well, I might need to look up new pokemon types for a bit. Steel/fighting eh? Also might need to look up common speeds as well. Elf won against me. I made quite a few mistakes. Got lucky early in with stone edge accuracy but flinches and crits payed me back. Seems like choice scarf would be a good way to sweep my team since I don't have a poke with it.
To be honest I didn't expect Cobalion to do so much damage. I was expecting Gliscor and Infernape to sweep.

Nice use of switching though. Also, Dragonite.
I completely underestimated how fast a Dragon Dance Dragonite gets, too.  Culise v. Person (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47735019).
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 11:49:15 am
Culise, do you want to battle?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 11:51:27 am
Sure.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 11:51:36 am
I did try to get a latios surf in there but by that point it was too late. My explosion team had a way to force switch outs, and this one didn't.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 11:57:43 am
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47736681
Due to my complete derp about Magnezone (and not to forget their skill), the day was won by Culise.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 12:02:17 pm
It was more luck than skill - your early Stone Edge missed, and Cobalion got burned on the switch.  I do think you did quite well, and Gliscor could have caused quite a bit more trouble for me if you had remembered Magnezone's ability, which is a perfectly understandable mistake to make - it looks like it levitates, after all.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 12:03:30 pm
Eeeeehhh. Derpiness where derp is due. :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 12:05:20 pm
I thought volcarona was immune to ground for some reason. Same with magnezone, which might or might not have helped.
Edit: By the way is anyone keeping score. I have so far just in case, even though we can just go through the replays later.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 12:10:16 pm
Elf : 1-2
ICBM Pilot: 1-0
Culise- 2-0
Person: 1-2
Scap: 0-1

Also, due to technical difficulties, I can't seem to find our (ICBM vs. Me) replay. He won via Volcarona sweep.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 12:14:17 pm
Wow, I'm missing a lot of games. I won against scapheap though so uhhh my score would be 1/2. Yeah I think looking through the replays later might be better.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 29, 2013, 12:52:16 pm
Replay: http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-47744979
I was okay with them using blaziken by the way. And on goes the saga of me making horrible decisions. (Seriously, I had two extreme speed users.)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: DaveTheGrave on August 29, 2013, 12:57:39 pm
Wait did you not add me to the list.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 01:03:42 pm
Culise v. ICBM Pilot (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-47746691).  Ah, Speed Boost Blaziken, and now we all remember why you are in Ubers.  I completely underestimated it, and paid the appropriate prices for lack of priority or Stealth Rocks. ^_^
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 29, 2013, 01:07:37 pm
Speed Boost Blaziken is the best setup sweeper counter.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 01:22:53 pm
It definitely does at that.  It even took out Latias in a single hit with an ineffective attack, which I didn't expect.  That definitely was amusing.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 29, 2013, 01:25:41 pm
what evs did it have?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 29, 2013, 01:35:46 pm
Max Speed and Special Attack, but I actually went and found a calculator after the fact and found out that it didn't actually matter.  A Blaziken with one Swords Dance under the sun and holding a Life Orb can OHKO a max-HP or a max-DEF Latias, and scrapes a Latias that's invested all its EVs in both HP and DEF down to the wire.  I knew it ranked among my favourite starters for a reason. ^_^

EDIT: Culise v. scapheap (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47758416).  Entry hazards plus forced switches would have been a dangerous tactic to my SR-weak team if I hadn't gotten lucky with some of those misses and Rapid Spins.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 02:32:47 pm
Oops. Sorry DaveTheGrave. I'll put you in now.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 03:08:53 pm
Wait...
We're banning Kyurem-B but not Blaziken?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 29, 2013, 03:10:01 pm
Quote from: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 03:08:53 pm
Wait...
We're banning Kyurem-B but not Blaziken?
Yes. Unless you would like to put it to a vote to unban Kyurem-B and ban Blaziken, which I'd find somewhat unfair, as without Speed Boost it's a moderately good sweeper.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 03:13:16 pm
I'm not saying it necessarily needs to be completely banned, but obviously one of the players is using it with Speed Boost. Could we at least have ICBM change it to Blaze?

Kyurem-B is just an exams though; it's fine to be banned, I suppose, though it'd be nice if plain old regular Kyurem wasn't, since it has lower overall stats and I can only presume a smaller movepool, as well as a poor ability in comparison.

I probably won't use it, partially because I'm terrible at building teams when there's so many options, but still.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 29, 2013, 07:48:20 pm
So, proposal;

We should tell everyone our various usernames. Or at least some of them. That way, we can contact each other outside of scheduled tournaments for discussion or casual battles.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Heron TSG on August 30, 2013, 01:13:35 am
When I'm just testing teams on Showdown!, I'm generally listed as 'Kindler (something)'. There might be other people that do that, but I haven't run into any.  :P I think my current test accounts are Kindler Jeff and Kindler Bernie.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 30, 2013, 02:18:23 am
scapheap, it always scapheapI use a different one for Hentai factoryDon't judge me.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 02:49:25 am
sorry, was away yesterday.


why am I not listed as a participant in this round, I PMd you my team. Should I post it here?


I am still just using team edible (ampharos replacing unfezant, and breloom replacing amoongus), because it would be a shame to waste a perfectly good team. And with my biggest opponent Barbarossa going with a NU team, I would feel kinda bad if I went full competitive mode against all the beginners. They should not have to worry about my Terrakion.



Spoiler: Team Edible (click to show/hide)
my team. Some ubers, some NUs, a good mix all in all




Will be in arts and crafts for a while, if anyone is here to battle




also, from what I know, Kyurem-Black ended up in OU, because appearantly it's move-pool is not quite up to par. It has GIGANTIC physical attack, however, it has a mostly special movepool. Meanwhile Kyurem white has special attack, and thus can capitalize well on it's movepool, which is identical to kyurem black.


why anyone would think that a pokemon with 170 base attack and 95 speed STAB outrage would be fine in OU, I have no idea. I suspect it might be due to the poor defensive typing, and the abundance of rock, steel and fighting attacks on fast sweepers in OU. Terrakion and Scizor take kyurem-B apart with ease.


edit: why is ICBM using a speedboost blaziken? Judging from the replay vs Culise, Culise was not informed that this was going to be a speedboost one beforehand. If we are going to play OU, then we should stick to OU, and use the non-uber version of blaziken. Ubers should only be allowed if the opponent is strictly agreeing that it's fine, pre battle
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 04:57:34 am
here is Akroma vs Scapheap


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47879908 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47879908)


dinner was served
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on August 30, 2013, 04:59:50 am
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47879908 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47879908)

Shell smash can go burn. it never work for me, but against me...good game other then that.

Going to make anti shell mon now.

Spoiler: I lost every battle so 3/12 team change (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 05:26:16 am
damage calculator tells me after a shellsmash, there is a 81% chance of a OHKO on that heatran still, with razor shell. dealing 96%-115% damage depending on RNG




if you want to counter cloyster, my best bet would be Rotom-W with a choice-scarf (and trick to remove the choice scarf again later)


Another option is jellicent, which can first proceed to burn cloyster making the attack boost moot, and then kill it with gigadrain


Slowbro can easily deal with shellsmash cloyster, and Keldeo has some hope against it too


A defensive Jirachi also counters cloyster really well




Heatran is really not an optimal option, however, still a really good option overall, if cloyster is no problem.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: DaveTheGrave on August 30, 2013, 06:13:41 am
so is there a ladder or? Hows this going down?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 06:18:51 am
Well, I guess it's who wins most battles, and then some tie breakers?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 30, 2013, 06:29:33 am
Quote from: DaveTheGrave on August 30, 2013, 06:13:41 am
so is there a ladder or? Hows this going down?
The one who wins most battles. I haven't fought Scap or Akroma yet, I think.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 07:20:30 am
in arts and crafts, ready
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: DaveTheGrave on August 30, 2013, 07:27:03 am
I havent fought anyone
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 07:35:18 am
Akroma vs DavetheGrave


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47892967 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47892967)


also Akroma vs Elfcollaborater

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47894116





Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 30, 2013, 07:44:26 am
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47894116
Akroma wins.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 07:56:06 am
Akroms vs DavetheGrave's alternative team, I dont know if this one counts towards my wins


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-47894877 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-47894877)




man, this team packs a PUNCH. So much more dangerous than the first one. When salamence started busting out fire-blasts, my heart stopped, thinking GG, I am fucked now. It seems I very much underestimated the bulk of tropius. I was genuinely suprised
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 30, 2013, 07:58:45 am
Quote from: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 07:56:06 am
Akroms vs DavetheGrave's alternative team, I dont know if this one counts towards my wins


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-47894877 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-47894877)




man, this team packs a PUNCH. So much more dangerous than the first one. When salamence started busting out fire-blasts, my heart stopped, thinking GG, I am fucked now. It seems I very much underestimated the bulk of tropius. I was genuinely suprised
Doesn't count towards your wins. BUT OH MAH GAWD
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 08:02:23 am
for an NU, Tropius appears to be an EXCELLENT subseeder. That is my first team using Tropius, thinking oh well, double weak to ice, weak to fire and rock, surely this one will only be able to substall to bring down enemies walls, and then bam, it survives fireblast from salamence.


screw the double weakness to ice, totaly going on my next OU team
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 30, 2013, 08:57:14 am
someone challenge me
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 09:22:07 am
Akroma vs ICBM


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47905338 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47905338)




closest battle yet
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 30, 2013, 09:31:40 am
the main reasons I lost were that I thought I was using special infernape,I didn't know anything about ampharos,and who uses explosion an a special sweeper
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 09:34:18 am
well, I did post my entire team including stats and moves here in the thread. As for special or physical infernape, I prefer playing mine mixed. It its harder when only specialised on one side, but it becomes exceedingly hard to do anything about it

and hey, especialy if you know thaz you won't be able to take another hit, explosion usualy deals more damage than a special attack, even on a special attacker
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 30, 2013, 10:14:36 am
Honestly, If I were to continue I feel like my almost my whole team needs changes in various places. The main one being I don't really think a stealth rock/rapid spin donphan fits too well with this particular team. The others being Zapdos and Scizor for various reasons.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 10:27:20 am
I had a little study session in the OU chat room, and ended up with this.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I've played two battles with it, and it has two weaknesses, though really it's probably just one, since otherwise Ferrothorn would've tanked those Thunders. Swift Swim. Damn you Swift Swim!
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 10:30:19 am
Oh, by the way, the other battle was with a sun team. Jirachi took a Flamethrower from slowpoke in the sun, and survived. Did I mention it was a critical hit? Yeah, ~30% health left.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 10:34:30 am
Quote from: Person on August 30, 2013, 10:14:36 am
Honestly, If I were to continue I feel like my almost my whole team needs changes in various places. The main one being I don't really think a stealth rock/rapid spin donphan fits too well with this particular team. The others being Zapdos and Scizor for various reasons.


I believe you can make some changes to your team, just ask elf for specifics




also, oh my god a full on competitive standard issue smogon rainteam


this will be a TOUGH nut to crack. Will be in arts and crafts to receive my beating later, food time now
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 30, 2013, 10:42:49 am
Kinda odd, but I rematched icbm and elf and won instead of lost those times. Doesn't count for the tournament but ehhh. Might not need to swap things around as much as I thought. Given the chance to change though, I'd probably swap donphan's rapid spin with stone edge or head smash, or something else. Donphan's typical life expectancy in my team is essentially this. Turn 1: Stealth Rock. Get hit for 99% health due to sturdy. Turn 2: Use one attacking move if by some miracle someone either didn't outspeed it or used a setup/defensive move. Faint. Ice shard helps, but only so much.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 10:58:19 am
ready for more battles. rolepgeek, person ?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 11:04:48 am
As per usual now, I have to do chores before I can get on the computer. Sad face. It'll be a couple hours, since one of them is not about getting something done, but about taking a certain amount of time to do it. And I procrastinate. (Hour and a half of weeding, yay!)

It's 9:00 AM for me right now, expect me on around 2:00 or 3:00
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 11:12:45 am
Akroma vs Person


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47921169 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47921169)


oh yeah, 5-0 now


rolepgeek: it's  6pm here now, might stay until midnight, so another 6 hours at max

next on the chopping block, Kansa perhaps?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 30, 2013, 11:21:36 am
I apologize, but just to confirm, who is participating in the round robin?  Is it simply the list in the OP plus Akroma, Kansa, and myself? 
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 11:23:44 am
not even sure Kansa is in, just saw he is online
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Kansa on August 30, 2013, 11:25:21 am
I submitted a team but I assumed I was too late as I didn't get put on the participants list
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 11:26:48 am
I think it just didnt get updated yet

anyway, ready and waiting
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 30, 2013, 11:27:46 am
Derp.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 11:40:27 am
Akroma vs Culise


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47924611 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47924611)


huh, a defensive volcarona, I guess that's another way to play it
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 30, 2013, 11:48:40 am
It does increase my reliance on Quiver Dance, though, since I put no EVs into Special Attack.  I rather wish I had kept Giga Drain; I went with more reliable recovery moves, but it left my entire team vulnerable to Gastrodon.  Still, I was surprised when it barely survived your Explosion.  That was a fun round. ^_^
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Kansa on August 30, 2013, 11:54:47 am
Ah ok then well I will be in arts and crafts if anyone wants to fight me

Edit: I fought Akroma (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47930473)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 12:23:03 pm
Quote from: Culise on August 30, 2013, 11:48:40 am
It does increase my reliance on Quiver Dance, though, since I put no EVs into Special Attack.  I rather wish I had kept Giga Drain; I went with more reliable recovery moves, but it left my entire team vulnerable to Gastrodon.  Still, I was surprised when it barely survived your Explosion.  That was a fun round. ^_^


Every guy here'd love to be you, Gastrodon
Even when taking your lumps
There's no man in town as admired as you
You're ev'ryone's favorite guy
Ev'ryone's awed and inspired by you
And it's not very hard to see why (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3x2DOoJIc)

No one's regening as Gastrodon
No one's scalding as Gastrodon
No one's takes hits as incredibly well as Gastrodon
For there's no man in town half as manly
Perfect, a pure paragon
You can ask any Culise, ICBM or Kansa
And they'll tell you whose team they prefer to be on
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 12:31:41 pm
I'm wondering if I shouldn't have grabbed Gastrodon to tank Electric and water hits. I could have plopped Cursed Body on Jellicent, even.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 12:39:24 pm
you are not alone Rolepgeek. Every Gastrodon-less team will eventually ask itself the question "I wonder if I shouldn't have grabbed Gastrodon to do [task] over [inferior mons like Kyogre or Arceus]

damn, having problems to connect. But damnit, barbarossa is in chat
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Kansa on August 30, 2013, 12:42:19 pm
I also had a quick match against Barbarossa (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47933668) and yeah Gastrodon seems really useful
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 12:43:22 pm
Whelp. Beginning chores now. A lot sooner in the day than usual, too; I usually end up starting around two hours from now. Hopefully that means I'll finish three hours sooner. Don't argue with the math.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Kansa on August 30, 2013, 01:05:22 pm
A fight against ICBM this time (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-47938467)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: DaveTheGrave on August 30, 2013, 02:07:27 pm
if any one wants to battle im hoping on right now.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Heron TSG on August 30, 2013, 02:08:02 pm
Quote from: Kansa on August 30, 2013, 12:42:19 pm
I also had a quick match against Barbarossa (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47933668) and yeah Gastrodon seems really useful
That scarf Chandelure really threw me for a loop! I entirely expected the Specs version.

I forgot to grab the replays, but I beat Elf, beat Kansa, and then lost by a hair to ICBM. Got a low damage roll on Ninjask's Aerial Ace against Blaziken, otherwise victory could have been mine. 2% health left, goodness. I looked at your team and became joyous, since I basically wrote the book on why E-Belt Ninjask picks apart sun teams like that in Tier Shift. (I'm not kidding! It's a few pages, spreadsheets included!) It OHKOs every single Chlorophyll sweeper there is other than the poison/grass versions like Venusaur, but luckily there's a whole team to help with that. I don't often see Blaziken, but I guess it would even beat that with a decent damage roll, so long as Blaziken doesn't have a Speed Boost lead. It's my favorite Pokemon. :3

Again forgot to get the replays, but I got wrecked by Gliscor fighting Culise, but then came back with a win. OU walls are hard to break for NU 'mons, but I got really lucky with the bonus SpA on my Zebstrika.

EDIT: Beat DaveTheGrave in a good game (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47949115)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 02:17:36 pm
But..but what did your tea ever do to him?


Left in the bag too long and it turned out too bitter?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 30, 2013, 02:24:44 pm
And since a replay helps, Barbarossa and I went a third go, where I only just scraped by. Replay (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47950114).  Fun things that happened in the first two battles: me burning Swellow and activating its Guts; and me forgetting my own Magnezone's ability. :D

EDIT: Also, Culise v. DaveTheGrave (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47952688).  Another one where Rapid Spin saves me from a very painful loss. 
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 02:39:12 pm
fought that phazing team too. Didn't have taunt, or spinners or anything, so at first I was a bit concerned, until it became clear that all you have to do is out-damage the phazing


it's a very cool idea though

if he switched shinx for skarmory and put a red card on donphan as well, he surely would have got me


funpart lost in replay: I maxed out with shellsmash to everything *4, ice spear full cannons, ferrothorn survived, it was not even below 50%

DAT BALK
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 30, 2013, 02:43:10 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-47953527 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-47953527)
almost 6-0 my opponent
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on August 30, 2013, 02:54:59 pm
Culise v. Kansa (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47955409).  Moxie sweep, go go.  Quite a bit of fun, I think. ^_^
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 03:30:07 pm
I'm done even sooner than I expected. I should be ready in half an hour to an hour, since weeding is hard work and I want to take a shower and eat lunch first.

And of course, use Wear Pants.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 30, 2013, 03:43:01 pm
I'll be waiting in arts and crafts. I won't be constantly watching the screen though, more like check in every 10 minutes, so be patient
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 04:42:02 pm
:D
I'm there.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 04:52:26 pm
I just realized.

Everyone except ICBM has posted their teams.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 05:04:15 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-47975862

Me and ICBM had a match. My team was more effective than I anticipated. Yay recovery moves, I guess.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 30, 2013, 06:11:48 pm
Can I run an nu tournament?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 06:12:04 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47984636
Me and Elf. Apparently, I'm ridiculously tanky. But...it's stall. That's what we do.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 30, 2013, 06:13:09 pm
Quote from: ICBM pilot on August 30, 2013, 06:11:48 pm
Can I run an nu tournament?
I have a tournament planned after this. But sure, you may after mine.

Quote from: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 06:12:04 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47984636
Me and Elf. Apparently, I'm ridiculously tanky. But...it's stall. That's what we do.
Indeed, tankiness is a pain in my backside.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 06:27:03 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47989730

I lose. D: Stall doesn't work too well once the Scrafty train gets going.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 30, 2013, 07:11:42 pm
Kansa's team is boss. Even on the rematch, thinking things through carefully and trying to figure out exactly what I should do...he outstalled me. The stall team.

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-47992050
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 31, 2013, 03:31:19 am
oh god, the rain team is even rainier than I imagined. Frankly, I have no idea what to do about it. Oh well, if Rolepgeek is still around, I am in arts and crafts
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 31, 2013, 10:57:20 am
Since it's the weekend, I don't have to weed, meaning I should be able to blaze my way through my chores faster than Volcarona with three quiver dances through a hail team who's lost the weather war.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 31, 2013, 11:55:08 am
I am in arts and crafts right now. will be checking every now and then, am GMing a game as we speak
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 31, 2013, 01:45:13 pm
Still haven't actually registered since I want to find a name that doesn't include bay12 in it that I like. Person, Someone, Someotherguy, Thatoneguy, and a bunch of my other common names are all taken. Also I think I might drop out of the tournament until the next one. I think I've lost enough times that I'm basically in last and can't recover from that. Now that I better understand this stuff, my next team will probably be better provided we don't do some silly bizarre ruleset, though I'd probably be fine with that if it happened.  This is basically my first experience with competitive pokemon, even if I have looked into it before.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 31, 2013, 01:51:00 pm
It's not competitive right now, it's casual...there's nothing wrong with losing...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 31, 2013, 01:53:28 pm
how many more battles are left?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 31, 2013, 01:54:56 pm
We battle until everyone wants to start the next tourney or everyone has battled everyone.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on August 31, 2013, 01:57:52 pm
I'm ready for the next tourney but can we use smogon tiers?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on August 31, 2013, 01:58:53 pm
Quote from: ICBM pilot on August 31, 2013, 01:57:52 pm
I'm ready for the next tourney but can we use smogon tiers?
Unless more people want me to, no.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 31, 2013, 02:13:18 pm
aren't we already using smogon tiers?


I mean everyone but ICBM with speedboost blaziken is using OU
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 31, 2013, 02:47:24 pm
Quote from: Rolepgeek on August 31, 2013, 01:51:00 pm
It's not competitive right now, it's casual...there's nothing wrong with losing...
I know. I'll probably still continue. Was just thinking about it. Honestly as long as I take out one non suicidal pokemon in a match I'm having fun. Also yeah I'm pretty sure we're using smogon tiers except for ICBM. I was fine with them doing it in our battle but I'd say that kind of thing would be on a match by match basis if someone doesn't want to face ubers with an ou team. Also it's casuals.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 31, 2013, 03:10:06 pm
Damnit, I missed Akroma again.

And I managed to get on relatively early today, too.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on August 31, 2013, 03:45:33 pm
Rolepgeeks rainteam curbstomped me.


Well, I did kinda expect that. Replay is sadly lost
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on August 31, 2013, 05:44:31 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48176496
Lost to rpg's new baton pass team, and I know why. Was fun though. Not shown: First match full of misclicks on both sides and luck on mine.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on August 31, 2013, 06:50:45 pm
We could play again?

I made a Baton Pass team, by the way; could probably still use some work though.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 01, 2013, 03:22:28 am
haha, it worked out even better than I imagined. We created a monster Rolepgeek.


Akroma baton passes a high-five unto Rolepgeek
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on September 01, 2013, 03:57:24 am
Messed around in team builder for a bit and made a probably terrible sun team. Also I'm used to learning by losing. I play too much Monster Hunter. Also, dwarf fortress forums. As long as I take down 1 enemy pokemon I'm still having fun. The way I type just sounds more pessimistic then what I really mean.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 01, 2013, 11:35:14 am
Quote from: Akroma on September 01, 2013, 03:22:28 am
haha, it worked out even better than I imagined. We created a monster Rolepgeek.


Akroma baton passes a high-five unto Rolepgeek
Rolepgeek uses Wear Pants!
Rolepgeek's Defense sharply rose!
Rolepgeek's Special Defense sharply rose!
Rolepgeek's Speed fell.
Rolepgeek's Special Attack fell.
Rolepgeek uses Baton Pass!

EDIT: In a battle I did to test it where I got in but one shell smash, I managed to OHKO from full health a Heatran. And I think a Cresselia.

I want heal bell though; baton pass doesn't actually transfer status conditions. Also, something to deal with priority and/or skill link. Wish on Espeon would be a good idea if I thought I could get she'll smash reliably. Considering replacing Drifblim with Smeargle for Rapid Spin, Ingrain, and Shell Smash.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on September 01, 2013, 03:16:10 pm
Either I'm really good at random battles, or my luck is ridiculous.

Edit: Pretty sure the only people I haven't fought are davethegrave and barbarossa.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 02, 2013, 04:53:59 am
so ElfCollaborater, where do we stand?


which battles are still needed to finish casuals?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 02, 2013, 05:00:03 am
Quote from: Akroma on September 02, 2013, 04:53:59 am
so ElfCollaborater, where do we stand?


which battles are still needed to finish casuals?
MaximumMcDreich against everyone. He's rejoined the game
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 02, 2013, 08:13:21 am
well, awaiting him in a*c then
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 09:33:06 am
Nyahah! I did say Elf that I'll wait for the next tourney, as I'll not get to everyone by the time you set one up. But I'll get through who I can I guess.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Not my usual style, and not made to win. I just wanted bulky looking pokemon. :P

[EDIT: Name's McDreich. I'm always McDreich as a FYI.]
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 02, 2013, 10:09:00 am
Akroma vs Maxinum McDreich


http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-48503639 (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-48503639)


finaly got my groove back
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 10:09:52 am
:P I felt I did alright, but had I known a couple of things, woulda changed how that battle went. Good game though, pity I couldn't have made it tighter.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 02, 2013, 10:10:27 am
Care to fight? :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 10:12:53 am
nyes!
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 10:28:32 am
Me and Elf fought, and I got through this time! Woo \o/

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48506945

Very good game.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 02, 2013, 10:29:13 am
Quote from: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 10:28:32 am
Me and Elf fought, and I got through this time! Woo \o/

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48506945

Very good game.
Derps on my part. :P
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 02, 2013, 11:41:45 am
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ubers-48519809
how many more people need to battle him
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 11:43:48 am
Twas a battle where I wished I played a little smarter, but overall, salamence sweep deadly. I over worried about facing the Blaziken. Speedboosted blaziken is a uber for a reason, having faced it before, but that salamence got first over mine and that was the end of that.

GG tho. I'm in the room all day, but I may be a little late replying to challenges, since I'm doing other things too.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on September 02, 2013, 01:16:30 pm
I'll poke my head in for a while, too.  I also have a little UU team I wanted to try out against any tier except Ubers; if anyone wants a friendly round, just feel free to ask whenever I'm in there. 
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 02, 2013, 01:30:07 pm
How do you guys make teams so fast? I feel like I take forever to make a team.
I don't have to weed today, hurray! School starts wednesday though, so I doubt I'll be able to play with Akroma; my free time except on weekends will be from 5-8, and unless Akroma's getting up at 5 in the morning...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 02, 2013, 01:32:06 pm
hahahahahahha
hahahahahahahahahhahahha




hahahahhahhaha




no


but maybe you can find time on weakends
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on September 02, 2013, 02:57:42 pm
Went up against rolepgeek for the tourney, squeaked out a win due to some lucky low-damage hits and a crit.  Culise v. Rolepgeek (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48552964).
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 02, 2013, 04:21:02 pm
Culise took me apart in this game:

http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48567126

:)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 03, 2013, 04:11:18 am
Man, Volcarona sure made an impression on the bay12 league. If we had anything like a meta-game, everyone would be carrying somethng or another to deal with a Volcarona


Elf : 2-5
ICBM Pilot: 6-2
Culise- 7-3   - 70%
Person: 1-5
Scap: 0-3
Akroma: 7-2  -77.2%
DaveTheGrave: 0-4
Kansa 3-2
Barbarossa: 2-0
Rolepgeek: 4-2
McDreich: 2-4

counted out all posts. I might have missed battles where replays where lost, as I was mostly looking for links
the only one who fought everyone so far is Culise, the total of your battles should be 10. As Barbarossa refuses to fight me, I am also finished with my 9 battles

Please count your own battles and tell me if I missed any battles without replays
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 03, 2013, 04:12:21 am
2-5.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 03, 2013, 05:49:55 am
Didn't realise Rolepgeek was in this tourney too. In which case:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48554760

A pleasant win over the rain team. VERY tactical match, and Rolepgeek was screwed over with paralysis. :)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 03, 2013, 12:32:17 pm
who else do I have to battle?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 03, 2013, 12:33:13 pm
If all of you are done battling, please post so.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 03, 2013, 12:59:38 pm
I still need to battle Dave, I think scapheap, and Barbarossa. Mearning I've fought seven people. Not six.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on September 03, 2013, 02:01:51 pm
I think I have Dreich, Dave, Kansa, and Barbarossa to fight.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on September 03, 2013, 02:49:54 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48736276
Had the match against Dave. Yep, rapid spin comes in handy I guess.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on September 03, 2013, 03:33:24 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou-48742654

Had the match with kansa. Got a bit lucky with confusion, but that's how it goes. I considered switching out after the second batch of outrages, but decided to take the risk.

Edit: Oh wow I just triple posted without noticing it.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 04, 2013, 03:12:01 am
man, after the dragonite sweep, I wouldn't have thought Kansa would last much longer. Suddenly there comes Scrafty..


anyway, everyone please go over your own records again to see who you fought, and who you still have to fight, my list is very rough and as I said, likely incomplete
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 04, 2013, 03:09:37 pm
I'm done 7-2
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 04, 2013, 03:10:04 pm
2-7. I'm done. :c
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Person on September 04, 2013, 04:15:35 pm
I'm 3-5 and still haven't seen barbarossa and dreich. I guess I'm fine with stopping at this point though.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 05, 2013, 03:28:53 am
From what it looks like, hardly anyone battled Barbarossa so far.


Elf, next tournament soon? If we wait for the last few battles now, it will probably take ages, slowing down to a crawl where we need to constantly bump the thread in the hopes that the remaining opponents remember that they even have to fight.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 03:18:45 am
Bump


Elf?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 09:43:00 am
Barbarossa pulled out of the tourneys and everyone wants to continue...so...

Very well.

It's time for a new tourney.
DOUBLE SHIPPING TIME.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 10:36:56 am
oh god, never did any double-battles before :/


I literaly have no clue whats good and what not in there

maybe I'll make a sunteam? Never really tried my hands at weather teams before. Maybe even mono-fire, go all out for some hyper-offense
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 10:43:25 am
Right.

THE SHIPPING TOURNEY
Rules:
1.It is a double tourney. As such, any and all double stuff applies.
2. Any Pokemon pairs must be either a male and female of the same species, or male and female counterparts of each other, i.e Latias/Latios, Cresselia/Darkrai, Heatran (male)/Heatran (female, Mothim/Wormadam.
3. Unless specifically stated, all other rules are applied.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 11:01:00 am
so ubers? Darkrai is definetly an uber
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: scapheap on September 06, 2013, 11:03:23 am
Only two mons or three sets of two?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 11:16:43 am
Quote from: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 11:01:00 am
so ubers? Darkrai is definetly an uber
No, just giving examples. OU tier as usual.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 01:02:41 pm
does arcanine qualify as a counterpart to ninetails?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 01:06:35 pm
Quote from: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 01:02:41 pm
does arcanine qualify as a counterpart to ninetails?
Kitsune and a Shisa...

If you can justify it with shipping, go ahead. The theme of the tourney is shipping.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 01:32:59 pm
the two version exclusive fire-mons of gen1, ninetails mostly female, arcanine mostly male, both 2-stage evolutions needing a firestone, caught in the same area. totaly counterparts
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 01:34:04 pm
Quote from: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 01:32:59 pm
the two version exclusive fire-mons of gen1, ninetails mostly female, arcanine mostly male, both 2-stage evolutions needing a firestone, caught in the same area. totaly counterparts
....granted.

Same rules apply, you must all post your doubles teams here.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 01:40:30 pm
hmm...the theme is difficult


I'll think of something. But it will include a lot of male/female pairs, as I can't really think of pokemon that are obviously paired apart from legendaries, and those are mostly ubers

here we go, tried to get a bit of a synergy going. never tried my hand at double-battles before, so I have not the faintest clue if this works in any way whatsoever
Mr.Heatran (Heatran) (M) @ Binding Band
Trait: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Magma Storm
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon

Mrs.Heatran (Heatran) (F) @ Air Balloon
Trait: Flash Fire
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Lava Plume
- Stealth Rock
- Substitute
- Roar

Mr.Gastrodon (Gastrodon) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Surf
- Recover
- Toxic
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Mrs.Gastrodon (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 Def
Bold Nature
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Surf

Mr.Lanturn (Lanturn) (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Discharge
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Mrs.Lanturn (Lanturn) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Dragon]
- Signal Beam
- Thunderbolt


yes, heatran is able to make sweet love to another heatran, it's a very sensible act. how dare you question this?


Question regarding switching mid-battle. May pairs be broken up? Or do I need to always switch both mons out to the same pair? If one guy dies, does the other have to stay in until he dies before I can bring in the next team?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 06, 2013, 02:09:59 pm
Nope, pairs may not be broken up unless one is fainted, in which case it must be. However, the forces of shipping frown upon it.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Akroma on September 06, 2013, 02:40:37 pm
a shame sylveon is not released yet, if pixiv is to be believed, it's being heavily shipped with hidreigon
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 06, 2013, 05:29:39 pm
So it sounds like the species clause doesn't apply.

And of course, I can only assume Pokemon such as Plusle and Minun are able to be together.

What out Celebi and Victini? They seem like they're made for each other. Not to the degree of Latias/Latios, but similar to Blissey and Clefable(they're like parents, together, right guys?)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Culise on September 06, 2013, 08:25:45 pm
Hmm, interesting theme.  I do have a handful of questions, if I may.  Can I go with branched evolutions that come in pairs?  Paired Eeveelutions (e.g. Umbreon/Espeon; Glaceon/Leafeon)?  Finally, though I'm not sure if I'll actually use either, would it be OK with you if I used either sea serpents (Gyarados/Milotic) or jellyfish (Tentacruel/Jellicent) as a star-crossed love ("despite their love, forever shall they be divided by their incompatible breeding groups")?  Actually, the whole team is pretty much named for star-crossed love...maybe I should throw in some literal stars (Starmie "Zhi Nu" and Jirachi "Niu Lang") for additional amusement.  I wonder if that's taking it too far, though, and they don't meet the gender requirements...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 06, 2013, 10:02:01 pm
Oh yes, speaking of which, the classic Romeo/Juliet of Seviper and Zangoose.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: ElfCollaborator is your new GM
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 07, 2013, 01:24:29 am
Quote from: Culise on September 06, 2013, 08:25:45 pm
Hmm, interesting theme.  I do have a handful of questions, if I may.  Can I go with branched evolutions that come in pairs?  Paired Eeveelutions (e.g. Umbreon/Espeon; Glaceon/Leafeon)?  Finally, though I'm not sure if I'll actually use either, would it be OK with you if I used either sea serpents (Gyarados/Milotic) or jellyfish (Tentacruel/Jellicent) as a star-crossed love ("despite their love, forever shall they be divided by their incompatible breeding groups")?  Actually, the whole team is pretty much named for star-crossed love...maybe I should throw in some literal stars (Starmie "Zhi Nu" and Jirachi "Niu Lang") for additional amusement.  I wonder if that's taking it too far, though, and they don't meet the gender requirements...
Long as you can justify it with fluff or ships, I'm cool with it.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 07, 2013, 03:45:31 am
ladder or brakets this time?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 07, 2013, 03:46:19 am
Yep. Just need more to sign up.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Maxinum McDreich on September 07, 2013, 09:35:14 am
signing up. Bit busy, will make a team laterz. Also, totally called this well in advance :)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: DaveTheGrave on September 07, 2013, 10:02:20 am
Im in again.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: scapheap on September 07, 2013, 10:04:04 am
I'll sit this one out.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Kansa on September 07, 2013, 10:04:49 am
I'll sign up as well
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 07, 2013, 10:39:55 am
obviously, I am in. a shame scapheap is not joining
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 07, 2013, 10:44:15 am
I can help you with anything you're unsure about, scapheap. Not that I'd be too much better, but I'm willing to try! :D

I'm in for the tourney. Need to work on team. I feel like versatile mons will be pretty common, as well as strange justification attempts.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 07, 2013, 04:42:07 pm
can somebody message me when this tournament is over?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 07, 2013, 10:38:07 pm
ARGH

I'm mostly finished, i just can't decide on/finish the last pair. I wanted a Lolita Yuri type pair, but maybe I should go for a generic Gallade/Gardevoir or the like...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 08, 2013, 03:54:45 am
what's this, hentai in MY pokeymans? :P


I am sure rule34 will give you ideas
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 08, 2013, 10:54:38 am
Elf, since it seems your double-shipping is not very popular, maybe run a side tournament of some random tier?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 08, 2013, 10:55:46 am
Quote from: Akroma on September 08, 2013, 10:54:38 am
Elf, since it seems your double-shipping is not very popular, maybe run a side tournament of some random tier?
Someone can do it if they want. Just set up your brackets.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Person on September 08, 2013, 11:35:25 am
Ehhh not sure I can do double-shipping.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 08, 2013, 12:11:22 pm
interest check, what kinda format would you guys like to play as a side-tournament?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 08, 2013, 01:19:41 pm
...letters. We never did do that tourney.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 08, 2013, 03:52:17 pm
Sorry for Double post, but check out this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=130774.0), for all the pokemon non-battling parts. Or most of them.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 08, 2013, 05:11:04 pm
Oh yes, and to make it triple, I think this is an okay team:

Sweety (Alakazam) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SAtk / 124 Spd / 132 Def
Modest Nature
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Signal Beam
- Substitute

Honey (Gothitelle) (F) @ Light Clay
Trait: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Spd / 212 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Heal Bell
- Reflect
- Grass Knot
- Light Screen

Tsun~ (Nidoqueen) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 232 SAtk / 252 HP / 24 Spd
Modest Nature
- Beat Up
- Earth Power
- Fire Blast
- Sludge Wave

Dere~ (Lucario) (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Justified
EVs: 116 Spd / 252 Atk / 140 HP
Adamant Nature
- ExtremeSpeed
- Drain Punch
- Crunch
- ThunderPunch

Sensei (Suicune) @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 Spd
Bold Nature
- Tailwind
- Shadow Ball
- Snarl
- Rest

Seito (Keldeo) @ Leftovers
Trait: Justified
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Def / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Surf
- Calm Mind

Justifications:

Alakazam and Gothitelle are both the final forms of a three-stage powerful psychic type, with Alakazam being mostly male and Gothitelle being mostly female. They are also Version exclusive in B/W(though not B2/W2).

Lucario and Nidoqueen are more about the true shipping part of things, about the story behind it rather than the pokemon themselves. After all, Nidokings can only breed with Nidoran if they want to have heirs, and Nidoqueens just function as trophy wives. Lucario is a fan of BBW, and Nidoqueen, while in love with him(and in trouble with her family), isn't appreciative of his lecherousness, but her abuse just makes it worse...

Suicune and Keldeo are quite similar in appearance and apparent physiology, and it's not hard to imagine Keldeo evolving into Suicune. This, in addition to both being water-type legendaries, and related to the legendary trio of their games, makes me think it wouldn't be impossible. Unlikely, yes, but that's the point of shipping, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 08, 2013, 06:19:01 pm
Quote from: Akroma on September 08, 2013, 12:11:22 pm
interest check, what kinda format would you guys like to play as a side-tournament?
nu, ru or theme teams
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Culise on September 08, 2013, 07:24:56 pm
Quote from: ICBM pilot on September 08, 2013, 06:19:01 pm
Quote from: Akroma on September 08, 2013, 12:11:22 pm
interest check, what kinda format would you guys like to play as a side-tournament?
nu, ru or theme teams
I'd like lower-tier or theme teams as well.

Oh, and for my own doubles team, I did one additional major criterion in addition to the requested rules.  All of the selected Pokemon pairs must be in different breeding groups or otherwise unable to breed.  It wouldn't really match my chosen theme otherwise, after all. 

Spoiler: Star-Crossed Love (click to show/hide)

Pairs:
Yseult/Drystam (Politoed/Toxicroak): The love of two noble frogs, divided between Water 1 and the Human-Like groups.  Their forbidden love, barred by Yseult's marriage to the Cornish (Slow)King Mark, also falls prey to the love, respect, and honour all three hold for each other - Mark loves Yseult as his wife and Drystam as his adopted son; Drystam considers Mark his mentor and father in substitute but bears his forbidden love for his father's wife Yseult; and Yseult is torn between her love for both her honoured husband and the finest knight in his service.  It is in the juxtaposition of love and hate born in these conflicting feelings that leads to the death of Drystam to treachery and Yseult to her grief.  Err, you didn't expect me to go with the happy ending, did you?

Juliet/Romeo (Tentacruel/Jellicent): The love of two jellyfish families torn by strife, divided between the Water 3 and Amorphous groups.  Meeting in a chance encounter, the love between the two grew even after one was banished, leading to their inevitable tragic fate as their plans to meet once more went horribly awry.  The war between the two families is stopped only by the sacrifice of the two young lovers, forcing them to see the truth in the cost of their pointless and petty feud that has torn the city and their own families asunder. 

Niulang/Zhinu (Jirachi/Starmie): The love of the weaver girl, the daughter of the God of the Heavens, and the common cowherder, divided by the common-born Water 3 group and those Legendaries who consort not with common Pokemon, who met through circumstance and sought together to surpass the will of heavens.  Unfortunately, their time spent together in mutual joy was such that the weaver girl no longer wove and the cowherder no longer herded his cows, and the God of the Heavens, so angered, drew both up into the heavens as the stars Altair and Vega, and divided the two with the great Heavenly River we call today the Milky Way.  Though these two are divided by far more than a gender group, their story is the only one with a happy ending, albeit only after a fashion; in spite of their punishment to be eternally divided, the magpies of the heavens took pity on the tears of the weaver girl and granted their sole wish, and so formed a bridge across the Milky Way on the seventh night of the seventh month, such that the two may meet once more, though only for a single night. 

I also wanted to throw in Deirdre/Naoise (Milotic/Gyarados) originally, but awkwardly, both turned out to share the Dragon egg group even though their other Egg Group is different.  Oopsie.  I may do it regardless if the third pair is thrown out, though.  I am a little worried about my tremendous weakness to Electric types, considering five out of six Pokemon have a Water type, as well as anything that blocks Water moves. 
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Person on September 08, 2013, 08:08:49 pm
I'd kinda like to try lower tier teams as well.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 09, 2013, 04:44:16 am
okay then, as a time filler for those who dislike the double-battles, we shall have a go at NU


current combatants:


Akroma
Person
ICBM pilot
Culise
Kansa

Rolepgeek?
Elf?
Scapheap?

to prevent any counter-picking, all teams will be secret until used

also, because why the hell not, as a reminder to the name tourney, eachmon must have a nickname of the letter you chose back then. I think mine was G
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 09, 2013, 06:00:14 am
teams for both NU and SHipping are done, will be in arts and crafts
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: scapheap on September 09, 2013, 06:49:39 am
name tourney. H.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Kansa on September 09, 2013, 07:22:07 am
Here is my team for the doubles

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ok justifications

Gardevoir and Gallade are two branches of the same evolution, Gallade can only be male while Gardevoir is obviously female in appearance

Nidoking and Nidoqueen both evolve from Nidoran just ones of a different species, Nidoking can only be male while Nidoqueen can only be female

Plusle and Minun are both very similar in appearance and both of their abilities are connected to each other. One plus and the minus and in the end opposites attract.


I would like to join the NU tournament I think my letter was B
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 09, 2013, 07:26:00 am
well, once your team is ready, I am on AnC
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 09, 2013, 08:22:16 am
thats two victories for Kansa, in doubles and in NU


god damn paralysis
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Kansa on September 09, 2013, 08:23:24 am
Yeah I got lucky with status effects in the NU match

Doubles replay (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/doublescustomgame-49794889)

NU replay (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-49795712)
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 09, 2013, 08:25:35 am
well, doubles would have worked better if it wasn't for everything I had being one-shotted


there I am making everything bulky as fuck, relying on their synergy abilities to buff eachother with moves that hit everything - nope, dead before they can do a damn thing. Disapponting, really
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Person on September 09, 2013, 03:10:37 pm
Huh. Looks like I never ended up picking a letter in the old thread. Also, based on what little research I've done, doubles is basically all sweepers and such in tourneys because the ability to focus fire on one pokemon basically makes non weather based setup more or less impossible. Mostly looked at the smogon page for vgc, but a lot of it probably isn't as relevant because we use 6 pokemon instead of 4, no item clause, all ubers are banned in our rules(they're apparently going to allow up to two in the next one, and not all are available still), and they play at level 50, not 100. Now then, time to start making a team.

Edit: Teams Basically done. Just need to do nicknames.
Edit: Done. Lazy nicknames yay.
Edit: Does anyone else think it'd be a good idea for us to request a private chat room for our battles?
4x Edit Combo: Oh yeah, teams for NU in case it wasn't obvious.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Culise on September 09, 2013, 08:11:08 pm
I'd been thinking about it for a while, and I just put in a request to that effect.  We'll see if the reply is favourable; we don't have that many people, after all. 

At any rate, my own NU team is ready.  I think the letter I had chosen was "L", or at least, that's what all my nicknames now are.  With that and my doubles team ready, I think that's about everything, save for the battles themselves.  ^_^
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 09, 2013, 09:59:09 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-49912843

SO MUCH HAX
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Culise on September 09, 2013, 10:28:14 pm
Odds of Snarl missing: 5%
Odds of getting Paralyzed, then Para-locked for three consecutive turns: 7.5%
Odds of both happening in a single battle: 0.4%

"So much hax" pretty much sums it up.  Only reason I really won, I think.  The devil of it is, that isn't even a Hackrachi.  She only has Thunder because of rain support; none of her other moves work with Serene Grace. 

EDIT: Fixed because I can't do maths.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 10, 2013, 05:29:28 am
am in AnC for battles


though I am dreading the doubles, my doubles-team is absolute crap
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 10, 2013, 07:33:08 am
new idea for a braket, for thos interested:


Dualism themes. 3 Pokemon of the team sticking to one theme, and 3 pokemon of the theme sticking to the direct opposite.
The more opposed the mons are, the better.

I'll be tossing in a team Dark and Edgy vs Cute and Fluffy.
Spoiler: team (click to show/hide)

can probably find use both in doubles and in solos

if no one is against it, I'd like to use it also in shipping tourney, as the duality-thing kinda works for that. The mons are already listed in their pairs.


any interested? if Not for a tourney, maybe just for a few battles
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Culise on September 10, 2013, 10:24:26 am
Doubles against Akroma: My win due to complete luck (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-49970513). 
NU against Akroma: Akroma's total win (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-49972254). 
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 10, 2013, 10:49:21 am
I can't find the other thread so can I choose a another letter?
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 10, 2013, 11:01:21 am
sure, last choice was not binding
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Culise on September 10, 2013, 02:55:38 pm
NU against Person: My win (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-50010245).  We went a second round as well, which was much closer (Sunny Solarbeams on a 4x Grass weakness), but being absentminded, I forgot to get the replay before closing out. 
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: IamanElfCollaborator on September 10, 2013, 02:56:38 pm
I'll show up soon. Still thinking of a good doubles team.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 10, 2013, 03:38:58 pm
I'll take N
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 10, 2013, 03:44:30 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-50021549
me vs kansa
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Culise on September 10, 2013, 03:48:10 pm
Versus Kansa, Doubles: My win (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-50019906), though he had terrible luck with Wisp missing constantly.
Versus Kansa, NU: My loss (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-50020700).  I completely underestimated Butterfree, though given how I've used Quiver Dance myself, I really shouldn't have. ^_^
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: ICBM pilot on September 10, 2013, 04:01:26 pm
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/nu-50022572
me vs culise
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Akroma on September 12, 2013, 03:12:22 am
bump
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 12, 2013, 09:20:43 pm
Working on my NU team.
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 15, 2013, 03:56:03 pm
NU team done, please get on so I can battle those of you who live in 9-hour time differential! If you're still awake...
Title: Re: The Bay 12 Pokemon League v2: SHIPPINGTIME
Post by: Rolepgeek on September 15, 2013, 04:39:27 pm
Battled Kansa.
Doubles (http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/smogondoubles-51049895)
NU teams (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-51051178)
NU teams Rematch (http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-nu-51052631)

SIGNAL BEAM EVERYWHERE