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Dwarf Fortress => DF Modding => Topic started by: zilpin on January 09, 2014, 10:24:55 am

Title: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: zilpin on January 09, 2014, 10:24:55 am
1) DFHack is now the primary method to workaround game bugs, even among more casual players.
2) DFHack is a core tool for dedicated players and modders.
3) DFHack has so many parts and pieces that finding them becomes difficult enough that questions often get re-asked in the mega-thread.
4) Though Github could be used instead, it is intended for questions about development of DFHack itself, not for players trying to play the game with it.

Thus a dedicated child board would benefit the community greatly.


(I promise I'll only bring this up once a year)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Warmist on January 09, 2014, 11:17:39 am
I think tools and utilities subforum is enough. Hopefully we are not causing too much noise there.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Flarp on January 12, 2014, 02:39:53 pm
I would support this, if the Forum Lords decide it's not too redundant.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: milo christiansen on January 13, 2014, 01:21:34 pm
I personally find it impossible to find useful DFHack scripts, because they are generally buried somewhere in that massive main thread...
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Meph on January 13, 2014, 04:08:04 pm
I personally find it impossible to find useful DFHack scripts, because they are generally buried somewhere in that massive main thread...
I agree, but it would be easily fixed by a simple thread that collects non-official scripts in one place.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: IndigoFenix on January 14, 2014, 02:35:02 am
Definitely.  I'm just starting to get into writing DFhack scripts and it would be very, very nice if there was some kind of tutorial, or list of variables...SOMETHING besides pulling apart existing scripts and making vague guesses about what everything does.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Roses on January 14, 2014, 10:17:19 am
These are the two pages I use; https://github.com/Putnam3145/df-structures (https://github.com/Putnam3145/df-structures) and https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/Lua%20API.rst (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/Lua%20API.rst).

For the first link the df-units.xml is good place to see most of the flags and values that can be changed in gm-editor (and thus by DFHack)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: milo christiansen on January 15, 2014, 02:04:21 pm
I agree, but it would be easily fixed by a simple thread that collects non-official scripts in one place.

You going to maintain such a thread? I would but I couldn't update it very often...
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2014, 02:46:35 pm
I am maintaining quite a bit already. ;)

I can certainly start one, and Urist McTeellox made a script that allows other people to edit posts. He could start a thread, and anyone who wants can add scripts to it. :)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: milo christiansen on January 15, 2014, 02:52:03 pm
That would be awesome! (so long as everyone used it...)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Meph on January 15, 2014, 04:26:10 pm
I wrote him a PM. :)

The thread for collecting scripts, which can be edited by anyone: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135506.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135506.0)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: milo christiansen on January 15, 2014, 05:17:56 pm
I just added my announce script, looks like that thread will be VERY useful. It's really easy to add stuff, and once everyone lists there stuff there it will make it easy to find scripts.

Too bad I can't change my vote...
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: zilpin on January 15, 2014, 06:18:10 pm
I wrote him a PM. :)
The thread for collecting scripts, which can be edited by anyone: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135506.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135506.0)

Still seems like it would be more useful for each of those to have their own thread, or each member to have their own thread for their contributions.  Megathreads are where useful things die of old age within days.

I'm just saying, if Masterwork can have its own child board, why not DFHack, which is far more intricate.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Putnam on January 16, 2014, 10:46:03 am
These are the two pages I use; https://github.com/Putnam3145/df-structures (https://github.com/Putnam3145/df-structures) and https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/Lua%20API.rst (https://github.com/peterix/dfhack/blob/master/Lua%20API.rst).

For the first link the df-units.xml is good place to see most of the flags and values that can be changed in gm-editor (and thus by DFHack)

you should be using https://github.com/angavrilov/df-structures
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Meph on January 16, 2014, 11:37:22 am
I wrote him a PM. :)
The thread for collecting scripts, which can be edited by anyone: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135506.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=135506.0)

Still seems like it would be more useful for each of those to have their own thread, or each member to have their own thread for their contributions.  Megathreads are where useful things die of old age within days.

I'm just saying, if Masterwork can have its own child board, why not DFHack, which is far more intricate.
I agree. At some point when the board structure was discussed, I suggested one myself. The thread about custom scripts was just that: Someone said that custom scripts go missing, and my response was to that statement: Custom scripts can be collected easily in one thread.

If dfhack had its own board, people could work on more independant projects, write how-to, suggestions, manual, official dfhack, branches, all kinds of stuff. I would mostly say its good because it gives it more prominence and more people will take up coding for it. I have seen quite an increase lately, with Boltgun, Roses, IndigoFenix, all starting on their own scripts.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: zilpin on January 31, 2014, 07:19:58 pm
I agree. At some point when the board structure was discussed, I suggested one myself. The thread about custom scripts was just that: Someone said that custom scripts go missing, and my response was to that statement: Custom scripts can be collected easily in one thread.

If dfhack had its own board, people could work on more independant projects, write how-to, suggestions, manual, official dfhack, branches, all kinds of stuff. I would mostly say its good because it gives it more prominence and more people will take up coding for it. I have seen quite an increase lately, with Boltgun, Roses, IndigoFenix, all starting on their own scripts.

Exactly.

Right now, vote shows 59% for a child board.
Not a landslide, but enough to justify asking the forum gods if they'll do it.
Who do we ask?
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Roses on January 31, 2014, 07:30:06 pm
Maybe you should ask the people who actually made DFHack and such if they want their own sub board before getting their thread moved. I think the current scripts collection thread works just perfectly.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Meph on January 31, 2014, 07:31:20 pm
59% is nice, but its just 16 people. I would say ask Peterix, he just made a big post about dfhack and github http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91166.msg4951315#msg4951315 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=91166.msg4951315#msg4951315)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: zilpin on February 04, 2014, 09:42:06 pm
Good to see Peterix back in action.
This may inspire me to resume support of my long neglected terraforming plugin for DFHack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=68416.0).

PM'ed him.
Anyone who cares, vote now, i'll close it after Peterix gives his verdict.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: peterix on June 20, 2014, 12:46:46 pm
I'm definitely all for this.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Quietust on June 20, 2014, 01:11:57 pm
Would this be a subforum of "DF Modding" or a subforum of "Utilities and 3rd Party Applications" (assuming that SMF allows you to nest forums that deep)? And if it turns out to be the latter, should Masterwork DF become a subforum of "Mod Releases"?
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Putnam on June 20, 2014, 02:11:10 pm
Would this be a subforum of "DF Modding" or a subforum of "Utilities and 3rd Party Applications" (assuming that SMF allows you to nest forums that deep)? And if it turns out to be the latter, should Masterwork DF become a subforum of "Mod Releases"?

Yeah, SMF allows nests that deep; Einsteinian Roulette is a subforum of Roll to Dodge is a subforum of Forum Games and Roleplaying.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Meph on June 20, 2014, 02:35:57 pm
Quote
should Masterwork DF become a subforum of "Mod Releases"?
Only if the sub-subforum for MasterworkDF in  the Mod Releases subforum can have sub-sub-subforums of its own, for Community Forts, Suggestions, General Discussion and Bug Reports. :P

Obligatory we have to go deeper comment. ;)
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: PeridexisErrant on June 21, 2014, 05:30:10 am
Obligatory we have to go deeper comment. ;)

You have found "Bay 12 Games Forum > Dwarf Fortress > DF Modding > Mod Releases > Masterwork DF > Community Forts > Digging Deeper > Adamantine > HFS > Eerie Pits"
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: deepfreeze78 on June 21, 2014, 04:35:10 pm
Definitely support. Don't use DFHack too much, but when I do, I find it near impossible to dig through everything else to find the right DFHack thread/post. Having it all in one place would be really nice, especially for people who probably use it much more than I do.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Nopenope on June 25, 2014, 01:25:08 pm
I definitely support a DFHack subforum. It has become a thing so big that it has become an entity distinct of the rest, with several dedicated people working on it. The rest of the Utilities forum could be dedicated to all the other tools such as PerfectWorld or World Viewer.

And of course, it'll help finding custom scripts.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Antsan on September 06, 2014, 03:27:53 am
Doing some necromancy as I am in favor of this.
Keeping track of when a new version comes out seems to be most easily doable by watching the megathread. This has the downside of being alerted to any small question that anyone ever has about dfhack.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Dirst on September 06, 2014, 02:58:44 pm
Doing some necromancy as I am in favor of this.
Keeping track of when a new version comes out seems to be most easily doable by watching the megathread. This has the downside of being alerted to any small question that anyone ever has about dfhack.

Yeah, sorry about my little questions waking you up in the middle of the night :)

I would also like to see a subforum for DFHack.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Antsan on September 06, 2014, 03:54:00 pm
Doing some necromancy as I am in favor of this.
Keeping track of when a new version comes out seems to be most easily doable by watching the megathread. This has the downside of being alerted to any small question that anyone ever has about dfhack.

Yeah, sorry about my little questions waking you up in the middle of the night :)
:P
It's just a little bit tedious to have to look every day despite there being a new release only every few weeks.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Quarterblue on December 08, 2015, 08:06:06 pm
Necroing this thread to show my support. Right now a third of the threads on any page in the utilities subforum is about dfhack, I feel it would clean up things a lot if these were moved to a separate place. And of course there's the issue of these enormous dfhack threads.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: King_of_Baboons on December 08, 2015, 08:58:41 pm
DFHack totally needs it's own board.There is too much DFHack in the utilities one and I think DFhack is getting to Masterwork levels of bigness.Besides being the most useful thing for making my game faster.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: PeridexisErrant on December 08, 2015, 09:09:00 pm
I also support a DFHack board, directly under "DF Modding" - but not nested any further, there's no need to make navigation more complicated.  It would also be great to have a new DFHack thread for each release, pin the current one and lock the old.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Bearskie on December 08, 2015, 09:56:44 pm
Agreed, at the moment the megathread is an impractical sprawl of comments. Something as important as DFhack should deserve its own board. It would decrease the barrier of using DFhack immensely for newbies as well.
Title: Re: Proposal: Give DFHack its own Child Board / Folder
Post by: Dirst on December 09, 2015, 09:08:50 am
I also support a DFHack board, directly under "DF Modding" - but not nested any further, there's no need to make navigation more complicated.  It would also be great to have a new DFHack thread for each release, pin the current one and lock the old.
Pin the new one, but people will still have questions about the old releases that fit best into the megathreads.  Maybe lock it after it's been dormant for months.