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Title: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 11, 2014, 10:25:44 am
Just a few weeks ago my teems speech team season ended and I was doing humerus duets, beside the point.
In the duet we did a mock debate and it was over whether or not donuts need holes to be classified as donuts.
I was just wondering what other people thought of this topic
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: kaijyuu on March 11, 2014, 10:26:38 am
Hell no. Ever seen a jelly filled donut? (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2BCobQwk70/UCwUA1VGmYI/AAAAAAAAAgE/RaIkyAfZNho/s1600/JellyDonutXL.jpg)
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2014, 10:39:52 am
It depends on where you live. Around here the answer would be "Sometimes" and sometimes it would be called a bismark or a long john. On the other hand I've never heard of a round shaped 'doughnut' with no hole and nothing inside of it. (Although long johns with nothing inside are common) If those, the so called missing link between doughnut and jelly doughnut existed, I dunno what that would be. But since they don't I would actually be fine answering this with a no and saying a jelly doughnut is not a doughnut.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 11, 2014, 10:40:15 am
As kaij notes. There's plenty of different sorts of donuts that lack holes. The world of donuts is wide and wonderful.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 11, 2014, 10:47:57 am
On the other hand I've never heard of a round shaped 'doughnut' with no hole and nothing inside of it.
These are... pretty common here, actually.

Especially for mini-donuts (donut holes) which are still totally donuts. Cruller are donuts that are something entirely different as well.

But generally, since donut shops sell all donuts for the same price and people accept holes in their donuts and the ring donuts are actually a bit easier to make, they will tend to stock a lot more of that type and sell them preferentially.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2014, 10:48:57 am
Especially for mini-donuts (donut holes) which are still totally donuts.

Wow. We can't be friends anymore.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Yoink on March 11, 2014, 10:51:06 am
Yes. All those weird jam ones don't count. They're just a foul mash of doughy pastries to me.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Neonivek on March 11, 2014, 10:53:16 am
It depends

But in some areas really the only requirement is that it needs to be fried doh and thus things like Chiros are often included.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 11, 2014, 10:55:24 am
So we have
NO- because there are jelly filled 'donuts'

YES- because jelly filled 'donuts' and other impostors don't actually count as donuts

and lastly

Donuts holes which now do or don't count as donuts (in my personal opinion donut holes don't count)
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 11, 2014, 10:56:49 am
i understand i excluded other information
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 11, 2014, 11:00:34 am
Jelly and jam are different things. Jam donuts are generally better, personally, but jelly donuts are still more common over here. I have both in my fridge right now (not in donuts), and sometimes I prefer one, sometimes the other.

Or are you saying the Brits don't bother to engage in precision with their language and we should endeavour to follow them? Because... that doesn't seem attractive, as an idea?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Criptfeind on March 11, 2014, 11:01:52 am
Can we at least agree that custard doughnuts are terrible though?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 11, 2014, 11:02:22 am
I am about to derail my thread and i honestly don't care

Didn't america change how they speak English specifically so they sound/spell different from the British?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 11, 2014, 11:04:14 am
Actually, the British changed how the language sounded and spelled - American (New England variant) is actually closer to traditional English than modern British is!

Also, custard/creme donuts can be okay.

But they are nothing compared to the pure delicious of lemon-like-gel-substance-filled donuts. Mmmmm....
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 11, 2014, 11:05:53 am
I am going to have to have a long talk with my English teacher then
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: i2amroy on March 11, 2014, 11:13:13 am
Personally I love custard donuts (right after apple fritters, which I don't really consider donuts but always get sold with them).

And IMO donut holes are a very specific relative of donuts, similar to the mini powdered donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 11, 2014, 11:15:20 am
They are a gimmicky donut for sure, but still totally a donut, imo. (donut holes, not fritters)

Fritters... they have donut as an ingredient but I would not call fritters themselves donuts at all.

And on the language thing, note that while New England English is closer to traditional English, many other American dialects are... well, significantly further away than British English is. America is a big place with a lot of variation!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 11, 2014, 11:15:46 am
But they are nothing compared to the pure delicious of lemon-like-gel-substance-filled donuts. Mmmmm....
The best thing I've ever done to a donut was cut a plain glazed one in half (long ways, basically like a bagel.), and then stick each half on top of a slice of pizza and microwave it a few seconds. Donut pizza was glorious. One of these days I'm going to sugar glaze me a pizza.

I do generally prefer non-filled ones, though. Filled ones... it's hard to get one that's, like, well balanced. Most of stuff's centralized in the center of the donut, rather than spread out more equally, which I kinda'... well, dislike isn't the right word, because I will still sit down and eat like a dozen+ if I let myself, but like less. Delicious filling should be spread to all parts of the joynut, so that each bite is one of equal sugary splendor.

Which does remind me I've never actually used a donut like a bagel before. Gonna' have to get my hands on an oversized donut and make a sammich out of it. I... I also have never toasted a donut, now that I think about it. My culinary future suddenly has goals.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Yoink on March 11, 2014, 11:17:12 am
Bah. Next you'll be telling me churros count as donuts... >:(
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 11, 2014, 11:20:42 am
First line of wikipedia:
Quote
A churro, sometimes referred to as a Spanish doughnut

But nah, not really, donuts aren't crunchy or piped and the dough used is totally different. :P
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 11, 2014, 12:44:42 pm
I feel that donuts are a subgroup of pastries, meaning things like fritters, churros, and turnovers are different, primarily because of the end texture of the pastry. As I have just eaten a donut I feel that I have acquired a small amount of temporary expertise on the subject - a thinning in the metaphorical membrane separating man- and donut-kind.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on March 11, 2014, 12:45:56 pm
As I have just eaten a donut I feel that I have acquired a small amount of temporary expertise on the subject - a thinning in the metaphorical membrane separating man- and donut-kind.

Sigged.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Willfor on March 11, 2014, 05:25:27 pm
Professional and personal donut baker here. In answer to the question: No.

My personal favorite is this sour creme-based drop donut that I make on my own time (because obviously I don't make enough of them at work). The temperature of the oil is set closer to on old fashioned, and they aren't shaped before they're dropped into the oil. They seem closer in size and shape to a donut hole than a donut, but everyone still calls them a donut. If they aren't calling them delicious. :3

I really need to experiment with filling them.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Graknorke on March 11, 2014, 05:41:13 pm
Can we at least agree that custard doughnuts are terrible though?
No.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 11, 2014, 05:51:50 pm
A geometric "doughnut" or any "doughnut" in math must have a hole in it.

If we are talking about names in cultures and food, there aren't really many rules. Some countries even call white chocolate a chocolate instead of a candy even though it has no chocolate liquor in it, just cacao butter.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2014, 06:51:28 pm
And on the language thing, note that while New England English is closer to traditional English, many other American dialects are... well, significantly further away than British English is. America is a big place with a lot of variation!
I believe he was referring to the American/British English spelling split (which originated with the publication of the first major dictionaries; modern British English is more or less in line with Johnson's spellings, American English with Webster's).

Though on the subject of dialects, if my memory serves, Appalachian dialects are actually quite similar to Elizabethan-era English. Also, the classic "Southern drawl" is derived from the speech habits of the British nobility a few centuries ago; the proto-middle-class wealthy families that owned those plantations tended to imitate the nobility, as was often the case for the moneyed but untitled in those days, and that happened to stick.

Of course it's also somewhat of a moot point, because there isn't really such a thing as "true" English in the historical sense; once you go back farther than the early-modern stuff (place it at c. 1500 CE, more or less), it's pretty much unrecognizable. Old English is functionally a foreign language, and in some respects is farther from modern English than the modern Romance languages are from each other. Middle English was a radical transformation of the language (paralleling socio-political events of the time), and the transition into what we can consider "modern" English during the English Renaissance is arguably just as significant a change. In functional terms, the English of the days of Henry VIII is scarcely more alien to modern English speakers than the various dialects of the former British Empire. The primary difference is that we confuse poor schoolchildren by forcing them to study it without any explanation of the language or of the historical context or references of what they're reading.

But yes, according to the linguists and scholars who study Elizabethan-era England who I have spoken with, if you want to know what Londoners sounded like, Appalachia isn't a poor starting point. o.0

Now what was this thread about?

Oh, yes. Donuts need holes, and they don't count if they have a nasty filling; those are called "rubbish". Ones with good filling are pretty much just pastries in the generic sense, no need to make them out to be something they aren't.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Yoink on March 11, 2014, 07:07:37 pm
^ This guy knows what's up.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: smirk on March 11, 2014, 07:26:24 pm
A geometric "doughnut" or any "doughnut" in math must have a hole in it.
Are we going the math route? Let's go the math route.

Stereotypical donuts are toroids. You'll notice, however (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus), that a torus with an axis of revolution that approaches zero degenerates into a 2-sphere, which for our purposes is functionally a sphere (second pic on the right). Or in this case, a donut hole. Even better, a torus where the axis of revolution is less than the radius of the circle is a spindle torus (sixth pic on the right), which can be seen to include a space in the middle that could possibly hold filling. Some sort of mathematically-exact custard, perhaps.

So yes, the variations all count. Quod Erat Doughnut.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 11, 2014, 07:34:20 pm
So yes, the variations all count. Quod Erat Doughnut.
Hear hear!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 11, 2014, 07:35:17 pm
Note: originally doughnuts where spiral to aid in even cooking.

The food ones atleast.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: nenjin on March 11, 2014, 07:39:42 pm
I posit this factoid: the spare tire in my trunk is referred to as a donut. It exists in both states, for in its natural form it has a hole in the middle. But in its usable form, that space is filled by the rim.

Ergo, it is a donut that is both holed and hole-less. I dub this observation Schrodinger's Spare.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 11, 2014, 07:46:18 pm
Except that the part filling out the hole isn't part of the donut itself.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 11, 2014, 07:56:11 pm
... what, you've never ate part of a donut, and then stuck the rest through another donut's hole and consumed the lot of it? Thread the doughneedle of conspicuous consumption, Darvi!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 11, 2014, 07:56:59 pm
Nah, I prefer borromean donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2014, 08:01:16 pm
... what, you've never ate part of a donut, and then stuck the rest through another donut's hole and consumed the lot of it? Thread the doughneedle of conspicuous consumption, Darvi!
It would be far too tempting to get all suggestive with it while eating in public.

Of course I haven't had a donut in a long while, so...
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: NAV on March 11, 2014, 08:02:37 pm
Google defines donut as
Quote from: google
a small fried cake of sweetened dough, typically in the shape of a ball or ring.
So, yes. Timbits (donut holes for you non-Canadians) count.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 11, 2014, 08:08:24 pm
What if the dough is in the shape of a knot?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2014, 08:08:46 pm
What if the dough is in the shape of a knot?
Pretzel.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 11, 2014, 08:10:05 pm
A knot that's actually been pulled, I mean.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2014, 08:10:45 pm
Ah. I'm pretty sure those are a thing, but I don't recall a name for them.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 11, 2014, 08:12:37 pm
Yeah me neither, I only know that we have them every year or so and that they don't taste that good even with all the powdered sugar.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 11, 2014, 08:41:43 pm
The things that look like braids?

Doughnuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Flying Dice on March 11, 2014, 09:53:09 pm
Doughknots?

Or, perhaps more appropriately...

 8)

Donots.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 11, 2014, 10:00:08 pm
Bad.

But no, they are donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: AlleeCat on March 11, 2014, 10:12:46 pm
I just waned to say that the title of this thread sounds like a Tumblr post. That is all.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Flying Dice on March 12, 2014, 12:12:09 am
I have too much self-respect to make the "check your hole privilege" joke post directly, but that don't prevent the oblique approach.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Gentlefish on March 12, 2014, 12:25:34 am
Some people just have more than others, Flying Dice. It's a right, not a privilege.  ;D
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 12, 2014, 12:41:19 am
Can we at least agree that custard doughnuts are terrible though?
More for me.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: mastahcheese on March 12, 2014, 12:45:28 am
I still get into debates with my wife over crullers.
She thinks that anything that is torus shaped is a donut, and I insist that the shape is not the important part, it's the actual make-up of what you are eating.

So, to me a cruller is not a donut, it is a cruller.
Doughnut-holes, on the other hand, are sad, delicious posers.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: scriver on March 12, 2014, 01:45:37 am
They're called Monks, not donuts, and everyone who calls them donuts should be hanged and quartered.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Arx on March 12, 2014, 01:53:28 am
There is no such thing as a "donut". There are only doughnuts.

Here, if it's unsweetened and has no hole, it's a vetkoek. Otherwise, doughnut is used liberally.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: NAV on March 12, 2014, 02:02:26 am
I am a believer that donuts are defined by their taste, not their shape. Otherwise bagels would be donuts, and that would be silly.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Gentlefish on March 12, 2014, 02:06:15 am
A donut is always sweet.
This thing is sweet.
Therefore this thing is always donut.

There is no pastry, only donut.

No chocolate, just donut.

No cookie, cake, pie.

Donut.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 12, 2014, 08:18:06 am
i just want to throw the question out there
Would anybody like to know what the name of the duet that this came from was titled?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MarcAFK on March 12, 2014, 08:44:41 am
A doughnought is any dough with a hole in it!
This includes Gugelhupf or your silly american bunt cake.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: SomeStupidGuy on March 12, 2014, 09:28:28 am
'course holeless donuts count as donuts, bro. In this world, anything can be a donut.
Even you. (presumably not, though)

Yeah me neither, I only know that we have them every year or so and that they don't taste that good even with all the powdered sugar.
The bit about the powdered sugar makes me think that you're thinking of some variation off of fried dough. But eh, could be wrong, though.
EDIT: Guantis, mayhaps? (http://www.lindasitaliantable.com/tag/italian-fried-dough/)
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 12, 2014, 12:35:55 pm
... what, you've never ate part of a donut, and then stuck the rest through another donut's hole and consumed the lot of it? Thread the doughneedle of conspicuous consumption, Darvi!
I have stuffed a donut hole into a donut before. I didn't know what I was expecting: for it to magically meld into the donut and take on its properties? No, I ended up with a slightly-squashed donut with a donut nibble in the middle.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Dutchling on March 12, 2014, 12:39:17 pm
@title: Absolutely. If not, even a Berliner would be a doughnut.

Think about, a US president who was actually a doughnut.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 12, 2014, 12:49:11 pm
Ah, again I would like to say that until about 150 years ago (max, probably far less) ALL donuts where braided to facilitate cooking. Donuts with holes are rather new.

If you want to know why try cooking them both ways. Its far easier when its braided.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Dutchling on March 12, 2014, 12:52:22 pm
I'll believe you when you ship me some of those.

Also, Wikipedia says berliners are doughnuts :x
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 12, 2014, 12:53:52 pm
You kidding? Any doughnuts takes about a day to make and I dont have money for packaging.
Or for shipping.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Singularity125 on March 12, 2014, 12:55:55 pm
Can we at least agree that custard doughnuts are terrible though?

Are you telling me you DON'T like the artery-clogging goodness that is the Boston Creme donut?! For shame.  >:(

Really though, if it's tasty enough and claims to be a donut, then it's a donut. Crullers are good too, and I consider those donuts. :P
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 12, 2014, 12:57:14 pm
@title: Absolutely. If not, even a Berliner would be a doughnut.

Think about, a US president who was actually a doughnut.
Good to see I'm not the only one who had that line of thought.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: darkpaladin109 on March 12, 2014, 04:40:59 pm
Of course donuts don't need holes to be donuts. That would just be incredible silly and pretentious.
@title: Absolutely. If not, even a Berliner would be a doughnut.

Think about, a US president who was actually a doughnut.
SHAME ON YOU
I mean have you ever tried a jam filled krof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krofi) or anything like it?
The "american" donut isn't bad, but I naturally have bias for krof since they're the local product.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on March 12, 2014, 06:55:54 pm
Doughnut-holes, on the other hand, are sad, delicious posers.

(http://i2.wp.com/www.bigbrotherarchive.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/timbits2.jpg)

'round here they're called Timbits.

We have the best coffee and doughnut chain.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Dutchling on March 12, 2014, 06:57:24 pm
Of course donuts don't need holes to be donuts. That would just be incredible silly and pretentious.
@title: Absolutely. If not, even a Berliner would be a doughnut.

Think about, a US president who was actually a doughnut.
SHAME ON YOU
I mean have you ever tried a jam filled krof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krofi) or anything like it?
The "american" donut isn't bad, but I naturally have bias for krof since they're the local product.
Those look like berliner to me. Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: i2amroy on March 12, 2014, 07:21:37 pm
Of course donuts don't need holes to be donuts. That would just be incredible silly and pretentious.
@title: Absolutely. If not, even a Berliner would be a doughnut.

Think about, a US president who was actually a doughnut.
SHAME ON YOU
I mean have you ever tried a jam filled krof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krofi) or anything like it?
The "american" donut isn't bad, but I naturally have bias for krof since they're the local product.
Those look like berliner to me. Nothing wrong with that.
Jelly/custard donut == Berliner == Krofi == Sufganiyot, it all just depends what language you are speaking and what country you are in.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 12, 2014, 07:22:32 pm
Yeah it's like as you dig deeper into Chinese food you recognize that it's basically just sweet Mexican food.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Powder Miner on March 12, 2014, 07:36:11 pm
Yeah it's like as you dig deeper into Chinese food you recognize that it's basically just sweet Mexican food.
what chinese food are you eating
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Furtuka on March 12, 2014, 08:00:01 pm
Yeah it's like as you dig deeper into Chinese food you recognize that it's basically just sweet Mexican food.
what chinese food are you eating
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Skyrunner on March 13, 2014, 04:48:34 am
A geometric "doughnut" or any "doughnut" in math must have a hole in it.
Are we going the math route? Let's go the math route.

Stereotypical donuts are toroids. You'll notice, however (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torus), that a torus with an axis of revolution that approaches zero degenerates into a 2-sphere, which for our purposes is functionally a sphere (second pic on the right). Or in this case, a donut hole. Even better, a torus where the axis of revolution is less than the radius of the circle is a spindle torus (sixth pic on the right), which can be seen to include a space in the middle that could possibly hold filling. Some sort of mathematically-exact custard, perhaps.

So yes, the variations all count. Quod Erat Doughnut.

I think you win.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: DJ on March 13, 2014, 05:17:52 am
Berliners are donuts. That is all.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 13, 2014, 05:18:51 am
Berliners are donuts. That is all.
In fact, half of Germany appears to be edible.

And delicious.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Tawa on March 13, 2014, 07:29:21 am
Sorry if I'm derailing the derail, but if no one answered the topic question, then...

Originally, no donuts had holes. Then Captain Hanson Gregory got ahold of his mom's donuts, which were undercooked in the middle. He cut a hole out of the center, lo and behold, modern donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: darkrider2 on March 13, 2014, 07:59:38 am
I'm not sure what to think of this thread apart from A) I'm not surprised at all that it would be derailed, B) I do not visit the local bakery enough, and C) if you're going to link me to the wikipedia page where 4-dimensional torus(es?) are portrayed, I think its time we start talking about 4 dimensional donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on March 13, 2014, 08:20:44 am
C) if you're going to link me to the wikipedia page where 4-dimensional torus(es?) are portrayed, I think its time we start talking about 4 dimensional donuts.

Why stop at 4?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 13, 2014, 08:21:44 am
I cant believe i have only been on bay12 for a few days and one of my threads did ¨this¨
I officially love this website and its community
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 13, 2014, 11:34:35 am
Welcome to Bay 12. Most of us are intelligent nerds. All of us are at least slightly nuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Helgoland on March 13, 2014, 11:56:54 am
Welcome to Bay 12. Most of us are intelligent nerds. All of us are at least slightly nuts.
About a quarter of us are mentally ill. We put that to good use.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Bauglir on March 13, 2014, 11:58:30 am
Welcome to Bay 12. Most of us are intelligent nerds. All of us are at least slightly nuts.
About a quarter of us are mentally ill. We put that to good use.
That's why we're about 1 page a way from beginning to actually hash out the details of a store that sells only non-Euclidean pastries.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Helgoland on March 13, 2014, 12:00:29 pm
Welcome to Bay 12. Most of us are intelligent nerds. All of us are at least slightly nuts.
About a quarter of us are mentally ill. We put that to good use.
That's why we're about 1 page a way from beginning to actually hash out the details of a store that sells only non-Euclidean pastries.
The Klein donut, convergent cookies, non-continuous cake...
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 13, 2014, 01:06:54 pm
Although don't we already exist in 4 dimensions and therefore we already have 4 dimensional donuts?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 13, 2014, 01:12:45 pm
I think they're talking about spatial dimensions. Time as a fourth dimension would work differently. Although if that's what they meant, then yes, but you don't want to see a 4th dimensional donut after it's been digested.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 13, 2014, 01:16:59 pm
And, of course, doughnuts exist in the 5th dimension (probability).
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 13, 2014, 01:18:16 pm
Would a donut that existed in 4 spatial dimensions still have a single hole?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 13, 2014, 01:22:56 pm
And, of course, doughnuts exist in the 5th dimension (probability).
I ... are we still talking about theoretical spatial dimensions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA)?

Why do you think probability is a metadimension and not just a human construct like honor and justice?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: smirk on March 13, 2014, 03:29:09 pm
Welcome to Bay 12. Most of us are intelligent nerds. All of us are at least slightly nuts.
About a quarter of us are mentally ill. We put that to good use.
That's why we're about 1 page a way from beginning to actually hash out the details of a store that sells only non-Euclidean pastries.
The Klein donut, convergent cookies, non-continuous cake...
"The Chef Ouroboros: World's Finest in Non-Euclidean Foods since [TIME IS A NON-ORIENTABLE SURFACE]."
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: scrdest on March 13, 2014, 03:31:23 pm
Welcome to Bay 12. Most of us are intelligent nerds. All of us are at least slightly nuts.
About a quarter of us are mentally ill. We put that to good use.

The remaining three-quarters are considered honorary nutcases.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 13, 2014, 03:37:15 pm
Why do you think probability is a metadimension and not just a human construct like honor and justice?

Not completely sure what you meant by this question and am too lazy to look at the previous page so I will just say what I think.

WARNING: The following is mostly opinion and ideas and as such has no cited sources.

I think that probability is a human construct meant to aid in guessing what will happen. If something is more probable, that means that there is a higher chance of it happening. However, in our universe, only one of the options will ever happen and is the option that would have happened no matter what if the circumstances were the same. If you toss a coin, you might say that there is a 50% chance of it landing on heads or tails. However, (I believe that) if the exact cicrumstance that you tossed the coin in were recreated (forces pulling on coin, angle of toss, etc) then it would always land on the same side. Probability is merely a means of guessing what the result will be.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Powder Miner on March 13, 2014, 09:21:34 pm
Opinion on probability, and not even as well phrased
Humans must always look at the future with some amount of limited knowledge and uncertainty-- with the amount of variables in existence, we can very rarely say with certainty something is going to happen. As such, what might happen is essentially the same thing as what will happen, since the variables of the world will never be very exactly duplicated. As such, we can never tell if something WOULD happen the same way or a different way with the exact same conditions, since the exact same conditions will never exist. One couldn't tell if the world was destined to run the way it is, or if it's made from chance, because the state of conditions being exactly, exactly the same as another instance is not a state that can be reasonably reached, especially since probability tends to deal with variable conditions in and of themselves.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: darkrider2 on March 14, 2014, 12:31:31 am
Welcome to 4D-onut, we probably have donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Sheb on March 14, 2014, 07:26:15 am
Dang, and now I'm going to snack on danuts rather than a cheaper, healthier alternative. Thanks Obama!

BTW, in Belgium we do not only fried dough with sugar, but also boiled donuts, petically called "Swiss' balls".
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Hubris Incalculable on March 15, 2014, 09:00:25 am
boiled donuts
You mean... bagels?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Sheb on March 15, 2014, 09:06:51 am
Nah, they're eaten with powdered sugar.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 15, 2014, 09:09:29 am
... I'm not saying I've ate bagels with powdered sugar, but...

... I've ate bagels with powdered sugar. If that's what a boiled donut tastes like, I don't mind boiled donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Willfor on March 15, 2014, 09:16:00 am
I view powdered sugar as an opportunity cost. If you have powdered sugar then you can make a simple and amazing glaze. If you can make a glaze then you can coat something in said glaze.

:3
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 15, 2014, 12:46:54 pm
... I'm not saying I've ate bagels with powdered sugar, but...

No you aren't saying it. You're typing it.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: miauw62 on March 15, 2014, 01:58:42 pm
remind me again how a thread titled "Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts" manages to reach 7 pages?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Vector on March 15, 2014, 02:16:00 pm
I really like this thread *_*  Math math math

Okay, and on the actual topic of discussion, where the fuck do you guys get reasonable doughnuts?  The ones I've had around here were all from Krispy Kreme or Dunkin' Donuts, and so bad I pretty much decided not to eat them any more because I philosophically am Pro Filled Doughnut but then all the fillings seem to be made out of some sort of soft plastic or something, because that sure as hell is not jelly.

Help?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Bauglir on March 15, 2014, 02:20:41 pm
I've found the local grocery bakery to have good jelly donuts, but on the other hand I have yet to find one I disliked. Though they're often too sweet to be ideal anywhere around here. Jelly donuts are best, but creme-filled can burn forever and ever. Terrible, deceptive things, like a slice of cake masquerading as french toast. Anyway, in conclusion, I'd recommend a bakery that is not exclusively a donutery (which should be a word), or else somewhere that isn't a chain.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 15, 2014, 02:38:31 pm
Personally, I don't like doughnuts that have fillings in them. Doesn't matter if it is jam, cream, or any other sort of filling (except chocolate which I love) I don't like it. In order to prevent myself from getting doughnuts with fillings, I only buy ones that have a hole in the middle.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 15, 2014, 02:41:42 pm
Joke's on you, holey donuts can also have fillings.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 15, 2014, 02:45:42 pm
Joke's on you, holey donuts can also have fillings.
I often find out the hard way after biting into a doughnut that I was sure had no filling.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Octobomb on March 15, 2014, 05:14:36 pm
Donuts with bacon fillings. Do want. That is all.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Darvi on March 15, 2014, 05:31:05 pm
Those are bagels, from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: DeKaFu on March 15, 2014, 05:32:00 pm
We have a local bakery that has really great donuts. The plain old chocolate-dip is the best. They come in regular size and Mega Donut size.

They also sell maple bacon donuts with actual bits of bacon on top. I tried one and it tastes about like you'd expect.

I'm in Canada so there's also Tim Hortons for whenever I want quantity (and selection) over quality.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Haspen on March 15, 2014, 05:38:23 pm
Here in Poland we have 'pączki' which is deep-fried sweet dough ball, fist-sized, with a jam or marmalade filling inside. The most common (and cheapest) ones are with rosehip or strawberry jam.

And we have 'Fat Thursday'. It's a thursday before Ash Wednesday, thusly a week before the Easter Lent starts. During that Thursday, the bakeries make a ton of 'pączki' and sell them cheap. I think the tradition stems from the time when bakeries had to get rid of all the lard and jam before Lent, so they began making these.

If you know what you're doing, you can get up to 10 'pączkis' for less than...

/me grabs a converter...

Approximately 3.5 USD v:
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Octobomb on March 15, 2014, 05:41:41 pm
Those are bagels, from what I've heard.
I know what bagels are. I consume large quantities of them with a variety of fillings. No, I want sweet, sweet donuts with my bacon. I also want bacon with my bagels, but that's a different matter entirely. Bacon and crumpets sounds good, actually...
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 15, 2014, 06:48:07 pm
Here in Poland we have 'pączki' which is deep-fried sweet dough ball, fist-sized, with a jam or marmalade filling inside. The most common (and cheapest) ones are with rosehip or strawberry jam.

And we have 'Fat Thursday'. It's a thursday before Ash Wednesday, thusly a week before the Easter Lent starts. During that Thursday, the bakeries make a ton of 'pączki' and sell them cheap. I think the tradition stems from the time when bakeries had to get rid of all the lard and jam before Lent, so they began making these.

If you know what you're doing, you can get up to 10 'pączkis' for less than...

/me grabs a converter...

Approximately 3.5 USD v:
They...actually do the same thing here, but it's Fat Tuesday, not Thursday. For one week, it's like, "Fucking pączkis everywhere! Four hundred for a dollar!" and then you don't see them again for a year.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Morrigi on March 16, 2014, 05:24:17 am
I really like this thread *_*  Math math math

Okay, and on the actual topic of discussion, where the fuck do you guys get reasonable doughnuts?  The ones I've had around here were all from Krispy Kreme or Dunkin' Donuts, and so bad I pretty much decided not to eat them any more because I philosophically am Pro Filled Doughnut but then all the fillings seem to be made out of some sort of soft plastic or something, because that sure as hell is not jelly.

Help?

Wha...What's wrong with Krispy Kreme? They used to be amazing. Or maybe it's just that I don't like jelly doughnuts, so I don't eat them, and thus don't wind up experiencing their synthetic ooze.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Haspen on March 16, 2014, 05:31:52 am
They...actually do the same thing here, but it's Fat Tuesday, not Thursday. For one week, it's like, "Fucking pączkis everywhere! Four hundred for a dollar!" and then you don't see them again for a year.
[/quote]

:O

/me inscribes MZ as his american cousin of sorts.

/me also hi-fives!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Helgoland on March 16, 2014, 07:19:54 am
-snip-
We have Fettdonnerstag/Altweiber, basically the same thing - but here, the women storm the city hall. It's traditional~
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: scrdest on March 16, 2014, 07:49:46 am
Here in Poland we have 'pączki' which is deep-fried sweet dough ball, fist-sized, with a jam or marmalade filling inside. The most common (and cheapest) ones are with rosehip or strawberry jam.

And we have 'Fat Thursday'. It's a thursday before Ash Wednesday, thusly a week before the Easter Lent starts. During that Thursday, the bakeries make a ton of 'pączki' and sell them cheap. I think the tradition stems from the time when bakeries had to get rid of all the lard and jam before Lent, so they began making these.

If you know what you're doing, you can get up to 10 'pączkis' for less than...

/me grabs a converter...

Approximately 3.5 USD v:

[cynicmode] Also, the quality of those drops by like 50% and people form lines that look like throwbacks to the finest traditions of Soviet sphere of influence >.>
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Jimmy on March 16, 2014, 09:26:56 am
The best donut ever.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GreatJustice on March 16, 2014, 10:04:08 am
Here in Poland we have 'pączki' which is deep-fried sweet dough ball, fist-sized, with a jam or marmalade filling inside. The most common (and cheapest) ones are with rosehip or strawberry jam.

And we have 'Fat Thursday'. It's a thursday before Ash Wednesday, thusly a week before the Easter Lent starts. During that Thursday, the bakeries make a ton of 'pączki' and sell them cheap. I think the tradition stems from the time when bakeries had to get rid of all the lard and jam before Lent, so they began making these.

If you know what you're doing, you can get up to 10 'pączkis' for less than...

/me grabs a converter...

Approximately 3.5 USD v:

Yeah, where I live there's about two weeks where the bakeries and supermarkets all have loads of pączkis for sale at very low prices, and then they're gone as soon as they appeared. It's quite sad actually, though it would be much worse if it only lasted a day.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: SealyStar on March 16, 2014, 01:29:54 pm
I believe that a proper donut must have some sort of cavity, whether filled or not. Beyond this, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 16, 2014, 01:33:56 pm
... even if the cavity was filled with dough?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Aseaheru on March 16, 2014, 01:34:10 pm
I believe that a proper donut must have some sort of cavity, whether filled or not. Beyond this, I'm not sure.
All things have cavities.

Space between atoms.

(hey, its the only way to explain the braided doughnut shape of every doughnut until about 150 years ago)
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: SealyStar on March 16, 2014, 01:39:43 pm
To clarify based on the above criticisms of my definition:

1. The cavity must be filled with a different medium (jelly, air) than the main donut body.
2. Its width make up at least one third (approximate baseline) of the donut's horizontal diameter.

Thus those nasty-ass tiny 'donuts' you get fifty of in a box are still excluded, because the hole in them is too small; however, the space between atoms would suffice for a hypothetical three-atom-wide donut.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: alway on March 16, 2014, 09:25:45 pm
Okay, and on the actual topic of discussion, where the fuck do you guys get reasonable doughnuts?  The ones I've had around here were all from Krispy Kreme or Dunkin' Donuts, and so bad I pretty much decided not to eat them any more because I philosophically am Pro Filled Doughnut but then all the fillings seem to be made out of some sort of soft plastic or something, because that sure as hell is not jelly.

Help?
The trick is to find a good, local place. Around here, I prefer Donut Crown. So far as I can tell, it doesn't seem to be a chain, I only remember having ever seen 1 employee, and it closes by noon. For a local place to succeed in paying their rent while selling only donuts and such, they pretty much have to be good.
Chain donuts tend to be abysmal; KK being the worst, filling one's mouth with a taste that I can't imagine is too different from eating candle wax.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 17, 2014, 04:40:00 am
Krispy Kreme is disgusting. Then again, I'm spoiled when it comes to donuts. We have a Tim Horton's and a Sweetwater's in town.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Dutchling on March 17, 2014, 04:49:26 am
You have donut shops?

That's... outrageous awesome.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Sheb on March 17, 2014, 05:00:30 am
Yeah, some days, I'd feel like trading my universal health care for donuts shops would be a sound decision.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Bauglir on March 17, 2014, 08:55:26 am
Yeah, some days, I'd feel like trading my universal health care for donuts shops would be a sound decision.
Alas, it's very nearly a Catch-22. Universal Health Care is one of those things that donut shops drastically increase the value of.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Willfor on March 17, 2014, 12:52:38 pm
Canada has made universal health care and donut shops work. The big chain has branched out into sandwiches and bagels (and bagel sandwiches) as well.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 18, 2014, 01:29:33 am
Yeah, some days, I'd feel like trading my universal health care for donuts shops would be a sound decision.
I would trade all the donuts ever for universal health care. Seriously.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 18, 2014, 01:43:27 am
I'm awaiting my delivery of infinite doughnuts. Then I shall feast, and grant you universe health care. And it'll need it with all the diabetes I'll be racking up.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Willfor on March 18, 2014, 01:52:53 am
I'm awaiting my delivery of infinite doughnuts. Then I shall feast, and grant you universe health care. And it'll need it with all the diabetes I'll be racking up.
You could say that the size of health care that you would require would be ...

 8)

Universal.

YEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Graknorke on March 18, 2014, 04:33:08 pm
I just have a bakery around the corner.
Pretty good. Though they only do the plainest of doughnuts. Jam and custard only.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 18, 2014, 05:07:25 pm
I just have a bakery around the corner.
Pretty good. Though they only do the plainest of doughnuts. Jam and custard only.
So if you don't like custard, that puts you

( •_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

In a jam.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Zrk2 on March 18, 2014, 08:27:30 pm
Hell no. Ever seen a jelly filled donut? (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2BCobQwk70/UCwUA1VGmYI/AAAAAAAAAgE/RaIkyAfZNho/s1600/JellyDonutXL.jpg)

Why do we need nine pages of discussion, this was literally settled in the first reply. You can't argue with the jelly.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 19, 2014, 03:52:35 am
Hell no. Ever seen a jelly filled donut? (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2BCobQwk70/UCwUA1VGmYI/AAAAAAAAAgE/RaIkyAfZNho/s1600/JellyDonutXL.jpg)

Why do we need nine pages of discussion, this was literally settled in the first reply. You can't argue with the jelly.
From what I've seen of Bay12, I'd be surprised if the discussion didn't take at least 10 pages before it ended, derailing included.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Arx on March 19, 2014, 04:10:46 am
Hell no. Ever seen a jelly filled donut? (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A2BCobQwk70/UCwUA1VGmYI/AAAAAAAAAgE/RaIkyAfZNho/s1600/JellyDonutXL.jpg)

Why do we need nine pages of discussion, this was literally settled in the first reply. You can't argue with the jelly.
From what I've seen of Bay12, I'd be surprised if the discussion didn't take at least 10 pages before it ended, derailing included.
Well, we're only one or two posts away from 10 pages on the default view. I am impressed though; these discussions normally top out between 3 and 7 pages.

Edit: aha, miscounted. 10 pages of meaningless doughnuttery achieved!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 19, 2014, 04:11:52 am
^^^You might want to edit what you said about being "one or two posts away"^^^

No longer relevant
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 19, 2014, 08:29:59 am
Jelly donuts still have holes they are just small and instead of filled with air they are filled with delicious jelly.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Sheb on March 19, 2014, 10:17:00 am
I swea, this post is a tool of the pastry-industrial complex. I've already eaten 6doughnuts today!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Gentlefish on March 19, 2014, 11:35:53 am
Well done, everyone! We talke about the finer points of donuts for oh, 150 posts? The default is 15 posts innit?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Mephansteras on March 19, 2014, 11:41:14 am
You have donut shops?

That's... outrageous awesome.

You don't? That's sad. How do you get fresh donuts?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 19, 2014, 12:50:02 pm
On the other hand, pie shops are better than donut shops, and we do not have pie shops in the states. (Not real ones anyway)

Of course I only saw pie shops when I was in Scotland and New Zealand - no idea which other countries have them, but being able to grab a fresh mac&cheese pie, or a chive&onion, was great.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Mephansteras on March 19, 2014, 12:55:03 pm
Well, we do, but they are few and far between. I have to drive...40 minutes to get to one, I think? And they mostly do fruit pies and the like. I don't think they have any savory ones.

More pie shops would be a good thing.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 19, 2014, 01:09:11 pm
Well, we do, but they are few and far between. I have to drive...40 minutes to get to one, I think? And they mostly do fruit pies and the like. I don't think they have any savory ones.
If they just do fruit pies, they are definitely not the sort of thing I'm talking about. Would be like going to a donut shop and only finding crueler. It's like "Okay... err, this... wasn't really what I was hoping for during my visit to the donut shop..."

We have "pie shops" around here, but when less than 25% of your product is pies, and you have more varieties of pretty much everything else other than pies, I'm going to be crass enough to argue that you probably aren't a "real" pie shop, and the above would probably be good for the American pie shops I've experienced.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Mephansteras on March 19, 2014, 01:14:18 pm
Well, it's not just fruit pies, that's just their main thing. But, yeah, I get what you're saying. We also have a few restaurants around here that specifically sell whole pies and have pretty good selections, which is typically where I go if I want to buy a pie rather than make one myself. Still hard to get good savory pies, though.

I think they're more like going into a donut shop that only has basic glazed, chocolate covered, and sprinkled donuts. You get some variety, and if you want that type you're good, but anything more interesting and you're out of luck.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 19, 2014, 01:21:32 pm
That might be a good analogy I guess.

I wasn't implying there isn't anywhere around here that doesn't sell good whole pies, by the way.

Just that we don't have anything like the awesome pie shops I miss from traveling abroad, where you go there to get a meal of pie, instead of just a desert or something.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 19, 2014, 01:53:43 pm
Jelly donuts still have holes they are just small and instead of filled with air they are filled with delicious jelly.

Why didnt I think about this earlier? The answer is so simple!

All donuts have holes in them, some just have it on the inside, filled with jelly or cream.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 20, 2014, 04:33:20 pm
Still hard to get good savory pies, though.
Savory pies? What madness is this?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Mephansteras on March 20, 2014, 04:43:48 pm
Not madness, delicious!

My favorite was a...Moroccan recipie? It was basically a pie that had a bottom layer of chicken, a thin layer of crushed up pistachios and spices, and a layer of scrambled eggs. All wrapped up in a pie shell. Absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Bauglir on March 20, 2014, 05:16:05 pm
Still hard to get good savory pies, though.
Savory pies? What madness is this?
It's like a pot pie, only not horrifyingly awful. The one described just above sounds awesome. You can also make a good one with chopped beets, carrots, celery, and onion held together with ground beef inside a pie crust.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 20, 2014, 05:17:53 pm
I want to experience a donut that has been inflated with sweet or savory gas which I inhale as soon as I bite into it. The donut would deflate into a pita-like sugary disc which I could break chunks from and dip into many sauces.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 20, 2014, 05:19:42 pm
What about the gas you don't inhale? Seems like wasted gas. I'd just put a straw in it and suck the delicious gasses out before I gorge myself upon the flattened goodness.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 20, 2014, 05:30:18 pm
Oh man I'm already coming up with marketing bullshit for this product.

99% less fat than a regular donut

Contains chemicals necessary for life

This donut will make you happy and attractive

Needs a name.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Frumple on March 20, 2014, 05:35:49 pm
The Grandiose Gas Hole.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 20, 2014, 05:36:37 pm
Don't be an asshole, eat a Gas Hole!

I like it. But geeks are generally bad at naming products.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 20, 2014, 06:55:31 pm
Cue a jerk biting a Helium Gas Hole without using his hands, and it flies away from him throughout the interior of his car, causing him to swerve and place his hand upon the 12V waffle iron. His shrieks of pain pierce the night and several lawyers' heads jerk up from the underbrush, some still slowly chewing greenbacks.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Helgoland on March 20, 2014, 07:06:49 pm
Anything from fapping to typing to sitting on the toilet! (efficiency ho!)
And once you get up, there are plenty more opportunities!
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Steelmagic on March 20, 2014, 07:41:45 pm
I'm just going to throw out there that this all started from whether or not donuts need to have holes, because 2 years ago i wouldn't have believed it was a discussion that could last this long.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 20, 2014, 07:44:40 pm
It's also lasted 9 days, which is something pretty cool. I think maybe donuts are something people secretly have strong opinions about. Like dusting, children, and Aqizzar's green five o'clock shadow.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 21, 2014, 03:50:49 am
It's also lasted 9 days, which is something pretty cool. I think maybe donuts are something people secretly have strong opinions about. Like dusting, children, and Aqizzar's green five o'clock shadow.
But unlike dusting and shadows, you can actually eat donuts.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Gentlefish on March 21, 2014, 11:25:22 am
But churros are not donuts, yet they are a fried pastry and have a hole.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Owlbread on March 21, 2014, 12:02:16 pm
My grandmother taught me as a child that "doughnuts" are actually only "doughnuts" if they do not have a hole. If they have a hole they are called "doughrings". She was very clear about that, I remember.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 21, 2014, 12:23:47 pm
Can we at least agree that Owlbread's grandmother was wrong? ;P

Although I expect of all of us, Owlbread knows his baked goods.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on March 21, 2014, 12:24:56 pm
Suddenly, I had the inspiration to create a doughnut shop suggestion game (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137266.0) based off of what I read here.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on March 21, 2014, 01:13:04 pm
Thanks for making my first discussion thread reach past 100 posts




I honestly expected this to die after 5
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: Erils on March 26, 2014, 11:59:39 am
On the topic of donuts and holes, are there holey donuts?

More serious:
What is your favorite type of doughnut?
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on March 26, 2014, 02:25:43 pm
They are like my children - I love them all! But if I had to play favorites, I would choose the bear claw.
Title: Re: Do donuts need to have holes to be classified as donuts
Post by: MaximumZero on March 26, 2014, 08:50:19 pm
Custard filled long johns.