Welcome to King of the Mafia, your chance to win the fabulous crown of this subforum! The rules are below. They were originally written by Dakarian and have been edited by webadict and me (my edits are in italics).You think you've proven yourself, child? "Oh my, I won as town!" Meh, that's easy with a whole army at your back and power roles you can abuse. "But I've beaten the town as Mafia!" PHAH! With friends and a horribly weak town.
But can you do both? Can you take down the mafia with 6 others, then turn around as mafia and BEAT those 6 to a pulp? Can you pick just the perfect role-braving additions caused by an evil mod-that will not only help you as town but also as scum? Can you fight off endless waves of people, including those you've killed?
Well then step on the hill and see if you have what it takes to be King of the Mafia.Spoiler: Basic Rules: READ! (click to show/hide)
Specialized Rules:
Inning is not required to sign up. To sign up read only the first two pages of Xylbot's role list (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12368) and choose ONE role from there (and PM it to me). You will then be assigned with that role, with a possibility of additional features based on balance or tomfoolery(though nothing hidden).Spoiler: Largish rules for choosing a role (click to show/hide)
Once 7 people have signed up, the game begins. A random person will be picked as KING MAFIA and will be given, on top of their role, the Mafiakill. The First Round ONLY will start with a kill-less Night (that is all killing abilities will be disabled).
From there, the game continues. During the game, anyone else can Sign up to be put on a queue. Game will play like a standard mafia game. If you die at any time, you may Sign up again, though others who haven't played that round will have priority.
If King Mafia is killed at any time, the round ends. Those in queue will take the place of those that died to refill the ranks back to 7 (those still alive remain), a new KING MAFIA will be picked, and the game will start on the next phase (Old round ends in Day, new round starts at Night...)
Play continues until KING MAFIA succeeds in being the ONLY one alive. Note that all players being dead does not fulfill the KING MAFIA win condition - in that case a new round would begin with 7 new players.
There is an antilurk system in place. Each RL day, you MUST have either voted (even if its for the same person) or sent in an action. Fail once and you get one prod. Fail twice in the same round and you will be killed, a player in Queue will automatically Sub in for you, and you will not be able to rejoin. Ever.
All may join this game, though be aware of the antilurk system. Please read this line Dariush.
*Toony Edit on No-Lynch policy*
Players may choose to no-lynch two days in a row. Otherwise a lynch must be made. If players force a tie then the lynch target will be randomly decided between the lynch candidates. If there are only two players left the compulsory lynch rule is not enforced, instead a stalemate results in a mafia loss.
You're done with the rules. Now join and claim the mountain!
PTW, and a question: If you realize that RL is coming up and you won't be able to post for the next few days, can you request an early modkill with no penalty to signing up next time?What's an early mod-kill? If it's before the game starts, then that sounds fine. If you can't participate in a round you're suppose to be in, that would give the potential King Mafia an advantage, and I wouldn't like that.
PTW, and a question: If you realize that RL is coming up and you won't be able to post for the next few days, can you request an early modkill with no penalty to signing up next time?What's an early mod-kill? If it's before the game starts, then that sounds fine. If you can't participate in a round you're suppose to be in, that would give the potential King Mafia an advantage, and I wouldn't like that.
In for worst role choice. :DNo early entries! Resubmit again on Monday or think over how a terrible role may not be a good idea.
This looks nice. Can I join when its ready?Maaaaybe. I seem to remember having to replace you in Roguelike Mafia 6.
Do mutate and selfmutate work?Seems okay, if they roll a banned role I could just roll again.
Will role additions be crazy Webadict-like ones(KotM 2) or more subdued Leafsnail-style(KotM 3)?Since this game is more competitive than what I usually host I'd rather be fairer.
Wish I had the time. Maybe if it goes a couple of rounds I can hop in, though!My shovel hand itches.
I don't even know if I qualify for this, but if I do, then I'm joining.There's no experience requirement, you just need to be able to participate.
Sweet!I don't even know if I qualify for this, but if I do, then I'm joining.There's no experience requirement, you just need to be able to participate.
It would be funny if a new player won anyway.
Aw man. Are you never gonna let that go, Shake?Wish I had the time. Maybe if it goes a couple of rounds I can hop in, though!My shovel hand itches.
Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.
Notquitethere: Do you think scumhunting or logical deduction will rule the day here?Logical deduction is a necessary component of scum hunting. Town players with information-giving roles will have more opportunity to use logic, but ultimately in such a rapid fire power mad set up, player behaviour is probably what we'll mostly be looking out for.
First off. We're all out for numero uno in this game but pragmatically it helps if we can kill the Mafia as soon as possible when we're playing as town. As such, if you learned who scum are, you should definitely say.
Who do you think is the biggest threat, Toaster?
Notquitethere: Do you think scumhunting or logical deduction will rule the day here?Logical deduction is a necessary component of scum hunting. Town players with information-giving roles will have more opportunity to use logic, but ultimately in such a rapid fire power mad set up, player behaviour is probably what we'll mostly be looking out for.
Are you worried about being lynched yet Cheese?Not at all, I'm quite comfortable where I'm at.
Tiruin: You won't be queen of the Mafia this round; sorry.Toaster: No u.
Why would you choose a useless role, Tiruin?Why would you ask a useless question, NQT?
TiruinAs confident as I am about being King.
Hello! :D
How confident are you that you'll be queen? How do you feel about the Toasty one's vote on you?
...Err, what's the best description of 'I don't feel...anything quite much either way but its ok to see him voting'?You mean ambivalence?
Hmm...Checkin' through the list? Day-powers for me, because they're usually Mod-time related and unsuspected compared to the majority of night powers in which it seems like a 'level-playing field' for everyone (because everyone has a power-role if and unless someone did Vanilla role)
Tiruin
Which is more powerful, a day power, or a night power? Why?
Which one would be better in the hands of a townie, as opposed to scum? Why?
What's your strategy for winning, Imperial Guardsman?
Use my foolproof ability to assist the town. If I muck it up, I can make it as if nothing happened, or help another. Besides that, Im just an auxillery for the town.Imperial Guardsman
How many people do you plan to kill this game?
One.IG
Welcome to KotM! The hardest game in this subforum!
Honesty or shrewdness: What would you value more as town, or as scum?
Hi, thank you for the welcome, Tiruin, and thank you for being my first kill on the Mafia subforum. For town, I would value protects, revives, and roleblocks. For mafia, roleblocks, doublevoting, post restricting abilities, and the like.
Tiruin, what is your plan to win in KOTM?
Under what circumstances do you think someone who knew the identity of scum would not claim such?In this set-up, they might be worried that they'd be killed that night by the new mafia king. Or do you not think so?
Unless he's changed, I can't read Ottofar at all.Interesting.
Not at all, I'm quite comfortable where I'm at.Nah I'm not worried. I'm not the mafia king today and hopefully enough of the town will have taken investigative style roles and will collectively know this (even if no one individual knows I'm innocent).
What about you? How worried are you about possibly being lynched?
In fact, let's apply some pressure, shall we, Mr. NQT?
NQTI note that this is not an answer to my question. Before the game began you said you'd picked a useless role. Why would you do that?Why would you choose a useless role, Tiruin?Why would you ask a useless question, NQT?
How do you philosophize on these ideals?
This is an interesting response. You do know that in order to win this game you have to win as scum, right? How is being an auxillery for the town going to help with that?What's your strategy for winning, Imperial Guardsman?Use my foolproof ability to assist the town. If I muck it up, I can make it as if nothing happened, or help another. Besides that, Im just an auxillery for the town.
TiruinOH! Now you explain what seemed like a pointless question. But it's based on pre-game banter! ::)NQTI note that this is not an answer to my question. Before the game began you said you'd picked a useless role. Why would you do that?Why would you choose a useless role, Tiruin?Why would you ask a useless question, NQT?
How do you philosophize on these ideals?
Also, do you really know Toaster's role? Is that why you're voting him?
Ottofar: Welcome back! Haven't seen you around in a while. What have you learned in your hiatus?
Ottofar, remember the last King Mafia? Do you foresee a lot of random stuff going on in this game?
OttofarI do recognise you. Hello.
I don't recognize you.
What's your plan for this inevitable chaos?
How should I know your question there was connected to what I said earlier in game?I expected you to have a memory span that was longer than that of a goldfish.
...And what can you infer by what I said as 'useless'?Well that's what I was trying to establish by my question. It wasn't clear whether you were just joking about sending in a useless role and I wanted to see what you had to say about that. I find understanding the motivations and play-style of your fellow players is helpful. So are you going to properly answer my question?
And no, I know Toaster's alignment and am just pressure voting. :vUh huh, and how is pretending to know his alignment supposed to create pressure?
I don't remember Leafsnail's one, but webadict's yes. I'm thinking there won't be too much mod-caused chaos here, what with Toony saying he'll strive for balance in the OP.I meant Random in a more literal sense: in the last one there were a lot of Randomisers. Do yo foresee player related chaos?
Hey Shakerag, what's more important in King Mafia: day game or night game?Always the day game. Although the night game typically promises to be chaotic and eventful in KotM games.
ShakeragA kill. It's like a permanent block with an inspect (roleflip) to boot.
Which is more powerful, a kill or a block? Why?
Shakerag:Scumhunting is a means to an end, massclaiming is a tool.
Scumhunting or Massclaiming? What has a better appeal to you?
OttofarI don't remember Leafsnail's one, but webadict's yes. I'm thinking there won't be too much mod-caused chaos here, what with Toony saying he'll strive for balance in the OP.I meant Random in a more literal sense: in the last one there were a lot of Randomisers. Do yo foresee player related chaos?
(Why am I asking this, you may wonder. I like to have an idea about what game my fellow players think they're playing.)
Ottofar: Any people in particular you're planning on hurting this game?
Tiruin:So which has a better appeal to you? :IShakerag:Scumhunting is a means to an end, massclaiming is a tool.
Scumhunting or Massclaiming? What has a better appeal to you?
P.S. sub/superscript is annoying, and I'm voting you in the face for using it.
... or I would be, if that wouldn't put you at L-1 already.
TiruinI expected you to have an intellect greater than that of a goldfish.How should I know your question there was connected to what I said earlier in game?I expected you to have a memory span that was longer than that of a goldfish.
I know his alignment because I inspected him last night--can you connect the dots when I say that, along with saying 'pressure'? It is trivial that I said pressure, and more pressing that I said 'I inspected him last night'. Reason being no hard reason other than me not wanting to fight Toaster because he's rawry and good at being scum.And no, I know Toaster's alignment and am just pressure voting. :vUh huh, and how is pretending to know his alignment supposed to create pressure?
I'm pretty cool~ *_*Ottofar: Any people in particular you're planning on hurting this game?
Nope, the people down here have been pretty cool. And I don't know anyone well enough.
Always the day game. Although the night game typically promises to be chaotic and eventful in KotM games.I dare say it will.
NQT: If you wanted to get Tiruin to curse like a sailor, how would you go about it?Tiruin doesn't really swear, but if I wanted to upset her I'd just insist that she's scum because of the way she's voted or maybe how much she's posted, rather than anything she's actually said. Yeah, that kind of thing makes her mad.
Why do you feel you have to explain your questions?I'm striving for greater clarity of expression. You're right that bus driver is especially superior to randomise, but that didn't stop a bunch of players picking randomise rolls in the last KotM.
I expected you to have an intellect greater than that of a goldfish.How appropriate, you fight like a cow (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFightLikeACow).
I know his alignment because I inspected him last night--can you connect the dots when I say that, along with saying 'pressure'?You didn't really inspect him last night because otherwise, why aren't you trying to get him lynched? Why do you just make up stuff? Perhaps I'm not picking up on what part of your text I should take as a joke and what part to take seriously. So tell me straight: do you know Toaster's alignment? How was your vote on him supposed to be any kind of pressure? Explain clearly and honestly please.
TiruinWell I learn a lot from my elders, so thank you for teaching me (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TellMeHowYouFight).I expected you to have an intellect greater than that of a goldfish.How appropriate, you fight like a cow (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFightLikeACow).
1. He made one post.I know his alignment because I inspected him last night--can you connect the dots when I say that, along with saying 'pressure'?You didn't really inspect him last night because otherwise, why aren't you trying to get him lynched? Why do you just make up stuff? Perhaps I'm not picking up on what part of your text I should take as a joke and what part to take seriously. So tell me straight: do you know Toaster's alignment? How was your vote on him supposed to be any kind of pressure? Explain clearly and honestly please.
ShakeragMy wording would imply my preference. While I can't write it out in crayon for you to better understand it, I'll try to be clearer. Scumhunting is far more preferable to just massclaiming.Tiruin:So which has a better appeal to you? :IShakerag:Scumhunting is a means to an end, massclaiming is a tool.
Scumhunting or Massclaiming? What has a better appeal to you?
P.S. sub/superscript is annoying, and I'm voting you in the face for using it.
... or I would be, if that wouldn't put you at L-1 already.
P.S: Why don't you, then?
I'm parking my vote on Toaster while poking at everyone else because I inspected him last night and he came up 'town'.
Shakeragಠ_ಠ
Now, are you just going through the RVS motions to get the day underway or did you hope to gain some deep insight from that question?A little of column A, a little of column B. I never really liked the RVS phase. However, it sometimes can produce some insights.
Ladies, ladies, please. You're both pretty, okay? Now stop fighting in the Mafia room.TiruinWell I learn a lot from my elders, so thank you for teaching me (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TellMeHowYouFight).I expected you to have an intellect greater than that of a goldfish.How appropriate, you fight like a cow (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFightLikeACow).
1. He made one post.Yes, but why were you voting him if you knew he was town? It doesn't add up.
One.
2. Make up stuff? Point it out. Everything I say can be made up from your perspective, O' philosopher. Why do you believe certain parts and discard the rest?Apologies, I thought you were joking when you said you'd inspected him. That was the only way I could make it make sense.
3. Yeah I know Toaster's alignment. When I say pressure--I fairly mean (and I now do see your perspective on) the basis of where my vote goes; I do take you remember my memory, yes? Well you do remember that I said a note that the current ideology of voting everyday is against my playstyle, yes? And that I said pressure =/= pressure vote in my last post, yes?But you explicitly said pressure voting:
And no, I know Toaster's alignment and am just pressure voting. :v
Clearly and honestly: I'm parking my vote on Toaster while poking at everyone else because I inspected him last night and he came up 'town'. Discard the idea that I said it was a pressure vote.But you're not parking your vote on him now, you're voting Shakerag. Or did you forget that so soon? Why would you even want to park your vote on a town player? How does that make any kind of sense?
A little of column A, a little of column B. I never really liked the RVS phase. However, it sometimes can produce some insights.Well, I appreciate the honesty.
u_uI'm parking my vote on Toaster while poking at everyone else because I inspected him last night and he came up 'town'.Shakeragಠ_ಠ
Why ... why would you be voting for someone you inspected as town again? I must have missed that somewhere.
CheeseSo focus on the bolded part.TiruinAs confident as I am about being King.
Hello! :D
How confident are you that you'll be queen? How do you feel about the Toasty one's vote on you?
And on Toaster? I figure he's just doing it because hard-bound mechanics shenanigans.
...As in, I didn't like that -must red people everyday- because it goes against my playstyle, but seeing him?
...Err, what's the best description of 'I don't feel...anything quite much either way but its ok to see him voting'?
Tiruin:Orange for emphasis.Shakerag[...]Tiruin:[....]Shakerag:[...]
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P.S. sub/superscript is annoying, and I'm voting you in the face for using it.
... or I would be, if that wouldn't put you at L-1 already.
P.S: Why don't you, then?
As to why I didn't vote you, even if I think you are a terrible person and worthy of high amounts of scorn, that doesn't necessarily make you scum. Yet. Therefore I don't want someone to sneak in with a hammer vote until I'm more certain.
And if you're against voting every day, why did you place a vote that you knew was ill-founded?*points at that thing in the OP wherein Toony will get all I: at you if you don't post everyday with a vote*
But you explicitly said pressure voting*opens mouth...closes it afterwards*
Err, there's either me lying and making a 'gutsy' claim or me not lying. I won't go the middle path in this scenario.2. Make up stuff? Point it out. Everything I say can be made up from your perspective, O' philosopher. Why do you believe certain parts and discard the rest?Apologies, I thought you were joking when you said you'd inspected him. That was the only way I could make it make sense.
Tiruin*points up*1. He made one post.Yes, but why were you voting him if you knew he was town? It doesn't add up.
One.
Please, walk me through what went through your mind when you (allegedly) decided to put a vote down on a player that you knew was town in a game set-up where quick-hammers can arise very quickly.Aye, they can get here very quickly-but they would also shift the game to focus on the hammerers. It's not all a dog-eat-dog perspective for the crown from my PoV.
Toaster
You feckless scum, Toasty one, how many days do you think you'll last before you're ruthlessly killed?
Toaster: No u.
PS: I kno who u r. Nya nya nya nya~
Also why the lack of question?
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And on Toaster? I figure he's just doing it because hard-bound mechanics shenanigans.
...As in, I didn't like that -must red people everyday- because it goes against my playstyle, but seeing him?
...Err, what's the best description of 'I don't feel...anything quite much either way but its ok to see him voting'?
Toaster < I'd like to see people infer more. \o/
Also, D1 stuffs. I'd also include the RVS idea into the mix but I mainly did so because 'hey, free parking.' Also his initial poke at me was fishy. :I
But that's not my point.
ToasterUnder what circumstances do you think someone who knew the identity of scum would not claim such?In this set-up, they might be worried that they'd be killed that night by the new mafia king. Or do you not think so?
Toaster, do you find Tiruin's claim that she investigated you last night remotely plausible?
Ottofar: Welcome back! Haven't seen you around in a while. What have you learned in your hiatus?
Thank you. I've learned to appreciate beauty, and strive for it. I think I've learned assertiveness and flexibility and more importantly when to be one of them. I've learned French and to write maybe-not-so-shitty poetry, but sadly it only works with my native vocabulary. I've learned not to overload myself. I've learned to know people, they don't feel so strange anymore. I've learned to hurt them, and am now working on forgiving.
Now, that's not very mafia-related, I guess. Is promising more and never delivering still your number one?
Toaster: Do you enjoy playing with hammers in effect?
Also what's FSM?Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster)
We're all against ONE DUDE. The hammer would be perfectly an obvious ploy for anyone, and you're...somehow playing it safe? :vAnd someone who isn't scum could go off half-cocked and hammer a townie (accidentally or otherwise), which would result in an inevitable dogpile the next day. 1 hammered townie, 1+ town dead overnight, and 1 essentially guaranteed mislynch the next day. No, I think I'll pass.
Why don't you want someone to sneak in a vote? Wouldn't it be...y'know, a good thing?
*points at that thing in the OP wherein Toony will get all I: at you if you don't post everyday with a vote*And ... you know you could just vote ... and then unvote, right? -_-
I've stopped voting for no reason in RVS. If I'm voting, there's a reason I'm doing it.Reason, huh?
Tiruin: You won't be queen of the Mafia this round; sorry.Right, add that with my inspect of you?
And I don't have to ask a question if I don't want to....Ok.
Infer harder. :IToaster < I'd like to see people infer more. \o/
I'm inferring your alignment!
When i said poke-I didn't say vote. I said what I had to get from your initial poke...in which saying 'Hey Tiruin, here's my vote-no, you don't get to be Queen this round :I' is fishy because I've nothing else to say to that but 'ok? I'll try hard though! Also you aren't asking me a question [answered] and why won't I be Queen?'Also, D1 stuffs. I'd also include the RVS idea into the mix but I mainly did so because 'hey, free parking.' Also his initial poke at me was fishy. :I
But that's not my point.
You realize this is self-contradictory, right? First you say you're voting in deference to the voting rule, and then you're saying me voting you is fishy? Does not compute.
So...who do you guess this might be?We're all against ONE DUDE. The hammer would be perfectly an obvious ploy for anyone, and you're...somehow playing it safe? :vAnd someone who isn't scum could go off half-cocked and hammer a townie (accidentally or otherwise), which would result in an inevitable dogpile the next day. 1 hammered townie, 1+ town dead overnight, and 1 essentially guaranteed mislynch the next day. No, I think I'll pass.
Why don't you want someone to sneak in a vote? Wouldn't it be...y'know, a good thing?
...No. I didn't. o_o*points at that thing in the OP wherein Toony will get all I: at you if you don't post everyday with a vote*And ... you know you could just vote ... and then unvote, right? -_-
Imperial Guardsman: Why am I voting you?Because I am townclaiming too hard, and the one person I want to kill comment.
But this is your only post?Imperial Guardsman: Why am I voting you?Because I am townclaiming too hard, and the one person I want to kill comment.
Care to explain who that person is?Imperial GuardsmanOne.
How many people do you plan to kill this game?
CheeseLawls, no. It actually lets you work together and stuff.Not at all, I'm quite comfortable where I'm at.Nah I'm not worried. I'm not the mafia king today and hopefully enough of the town will have taken investigative style roles and will collectively know this (even if no one individual knows I'm innocent).
What about you? How worried are you about possibly being lynched?
In fact, let's apply some pressure, shall we, Mr. NQT?
Do you think rolefishing is a scum tell in this set-up or not?
No idea where you'd see me from, but whatevs.OttofarI do recognise you. Hello.
I don't recognize you.
What's your plan for this inevitable chaos?
I'll go with playing to win.
Now, mastahcheese, is there any use for pressure votes? Why not go for lynch votes, with the option to change your mind?
mastahcheese:Well thought out answer, bro.ShakeragA kill. It's like a permanent block with an inspect (roleflip) to boot.
Which is more powerful, a kill or a block? Why?
Tiruin: You seem to actually be aware of what the hell is going on, but I'm still watching you.\o/
Toaster: He's a scumbiscuit, kill him.Eh?
I want to see the scum's response.QuoteToaster: He's a scumbiscuit, kill him.Eh?
Care to explain who that person is?Perhaps Toaster? Would you all like him dead now?
No idea where you'd see me from, but whatevs.
Yeah, there's use for them. It's so lazy scumbuckets will get off their asses and answer your damn questions.
I want to see the scum's response.QuoteToaster: He's a scumbiscuit, kill him.Eh?
Care to explain who that person is?Perhaps Toaster? Would you all like him dead now?
But what if I told you that claiming to pressure vote is a scumtell?
...I'm serious here. You could just Toaster. Also, Unvote and not be subject to that rule?
Since I'm not sure if Toony wants fresh votes, I'm still good with my Tiruin vote.Fresh votes are fine either way. Days are pretty short anyway.
Mastahcheese:If you mean that literally, note that your reply is on the first post of the vanilla forum format. So...you're pointing at fresh air.I want to see the scum's response.QuoteToaster: He's a scumbiscuit, kill him.Eh?
It's in the post directly above this one. Heck, you even quoted it.
IG:You seem assertive. Why is it aggressive?Care to explain who that person is?Perhaps Toaster? Would you all like him dead now?
What, you gonna bandwagon me? Why don't you contribute?
So do I get a direct answer to my question or what? >_>Since I'm not sure if Toony wants fresh votes, I'm still good with my Tiruin vote.Fresh votes are fine either way. Days are pretty short anyway.
Yeah, go for it.Care to explain who that person is?Perhaps Toaster? Would you all like him dead now?
Normally, I ask for you to elaborate, but since Toasty scum is already doing that, I'll just point out that you just admitted to lurking, which is, from what I've been able to gather, far more universally accepted to be considered "scummy".
No idea where you'd see me from, but whatevs.
Yeah, there's use for them. It's so lazy scumbuckets will get off their asses and answer your damn questions.
I'vé been lurking.
But what if I told you that claiming to pressure vote is a scumtell?
ToonyMan: Is it possible to vote a person and then unvote them in the same post and have that still count on the antilurk system as a 'vote'?Yes.
IG: What's your say on the ideas going about today?
Tiruin, I reccomend you defend yourself. Unlike mine, your ability is not of use beyond death, but perhaps even then you can assist? I am keeping my DAYKILL unused until the time is right. Even if I die, I still have one last gift to the living.
...Ok?IG: What's your say on the ideas going about today?
Tiruin, I reccomend you defend yourself. Unlike mine, your ability is not of use beyond death, but perhaps even then you can assist? I am keeping my DAYKILL unused until the time is right. Even if I die, I still have one last gift to the living.
Could you, in the future, use the preview button to unfuck your quotes? Thanks.IG: What's your say on the ideas going about today?
Tiruin, I reccomend you defend yourself. Unlike mine, your ability is not of use beyond death, but perhaps even then you can assist? I am keeping my DAYKILL unused until the time is right. Even if I die, I still have one last gift to the living.
That's ... a strangely honest reply to that question. Do you feel like you regret "townclaiming too hard" now?Imperial Guardsman: Why am I voting you?Because I am townclaiming too hard, and the one person I want to kill comment.
Anyone, really. Hence why it would be an accident. For example, are you always carefully checking how many votes someone has on them before voting? Can you guarantee everyone else is doing the same?So...who do you guess this might be?We're all against ONE DUDE. The hammer would be perfectly an obvious ploy for anyone, and you're...somehow playing it safe? :vAnd someone who isn't scum could go off half-cocked and hammer a townie (accidentally or otherwise), which would result in an inevitable dogpile the next day. 1 hammered townie, 1+ town dead overnight, and 1 essentially guaranteed mislynch the next day. No, I think I'll pass.
Why don't you want someone to sneak in a vote? Wouldn't it be...y'know, a good thing?
That sounds more of a happy-go-lucky characteristic than anything else?
Shakerag: How will you differentiate newbie-play from specific tells and their play (ie scum/townplay)? What characteristic do you generally see that adheres to both?I don't think I can give you an exact methodology. I think a lot of it is just gut feeling, adjusted by how experienced I think a particular player is. There is a fair bit of overlap between newtells and scumtells, as evidenced by any read of a BM.
You planning on asking counter-questions or just sit and react?To answer your first question, both.
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Shakerag: You seem to be to reactive and relaxed. I don't like it.
Notquitethere: Your arguments make no sense to me. You're going after someone who's actually offering useful information.Tiruin claims she got an innocent inspect on Toaster and yet Toaster is the person she decides to vote for in a game where it only takes four votes to hammer.
I'vé been lurking.Is this a deliberate strategy?
How can you be the King of Mafia when you can't even get quotes right? So you have a one-shot vengeance kill or what?IG: What's your say on the ideas going about today?
Tiruin, I reccomend you defend yourself. Unlike mine, your ability is not of use beyond death, but perhaps even then you can assist? I am keeping my DAYKILL unused until the time is right. Even if I die, I still have one last gift to the living.
I dislike using voting and throwing it at people-even people I suspect formost because I like talking to them and communicating and getting notes on them using the ol' boldedname and words method. Lack of pressure. Lack of defensive mechanisms. Free speech. Probably lax composure.So you're saying you're a useless town player who doesn't like to lynch scum? Days only last two days in this game and hammers can strike at any time, why did you 'park' your vote on a player that you definitely didn't want to get lynched? I know we have to vote, why don't you at least try to do something useful with yours? Yeah, yeah, I hear that you don't want to make players defensive. Sure. You might as well have parked your vote on yourself.
I'm voting my 'town'Toaster because I'm parking my vote on him. :I
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*points at that thing in the OP wherein Toony will get all I: at you if you don't post everyday with a vote*
. . .In future please read what you've just written before pressing the 'post' button then.
Mhrrh..look, I've a thing with my thoughts that don't equal words. My thoughts aren't words--they're feelings or emotions, rather, and I translate it into the closest word that I can relate at the time (explaining my many word-fails before), and this one? Mistake in writing. I mean pressure, in the sense that I described above. I mean 'Not pressure' to denounce the meaning that I meant pressure in the conventional meaning of pressure.
Also his initial poke at me was fishy. :IHow can it possibly be fishy if you *know* that he's town?
I've stopped voting for no reason in RVS. If I'm voting, there's a reason I'm doing it.So you know Tiruin is scum?
And instead lose when they don't get the current king lynched? Considering you cannot win if you're town, I don't see any benefit to holding back. Interesting that you disagree, though.No, I hear what you're saying, and I still think it's smartest to claim if you have the info, but some players might want to try killing King Mafia subtly or something.
OkamiI'vé been lurking.Is this a deliberate strategy?
OttofarNormally, I ask for you to elaborate, but since Toasty scum is already doing that, I'll just point out that you just admitted to lurking, which is, from what I've been able to gather, far more universally accepted to be considered "scummy".
No idea where you'd see me from, but whatevs.
Yeah, there's use for them. It's so lazy scumbuckets will get off their asses and answer your damn questions.
I'vé been lurking.
But what if I told you that claiming to pressure vote is a scumtell?
PFP
Mastah: you know, the forums and stuff.
Toaster, mastah I think it's a way to activelurk. You get to safely deposit your vote in a nonthreatening manner. Also, there's no real pressure, because nobody is going to pressurehammer anybody.
Ottofar: What kind of question do you want me to ask you?
Normally, I ask for you to elaborate, but since Toasty scum is already doing that, I'll just point out that you just admitted to lurking, which is, from what I've been able to gather, far more universally accepted to be considered "scummy".
Tiruin, same question. (is there any use for pressure votes? Why not go for lynch votes, with the option to change your mind?)
CheeseThat's not much of an argument, NQT. Rather a lacking explanation for your own words.Notquitethere: Your arguments make no sense to me. You're going after someone who's actually offering useful information.Tiruin claims she got an innocent inspect on Toaster and yet Toaster is the person she decides to vote for in a game where it only takes four votes to hammer.
OkamiYou miss Okami No Rei as much as me, huh...I'vé been lurking.Is this a deliberate strategy?
Imperial GuardsmanConcerned much? Or blatantly rolefishing.How can you be the King of Mafia when you can't even get quotes right? So you have a one-shot vengeance kill or what?IG: What's your say on the ideas going about today?
Tiruin, I reccomend you defend yourself. Unlike mine, your ability is not of use beyond death, but perhaps even then you can assist? I am keeping my DAYKILL unused until the time is right. Even if I die, I still have one last gift to the living.
TiruinWhy should I say what your viewpoint is? No, I'm not--how are you explicitly saying 'town' in an assertive way like that along with 'useless'?I dislike using voting and throwing it at people-even people I suspect formost because I like talking to them and communicating and getting notes on them using the ol' boldedname and words method. Lack of pressure. Lack of defensive mechanisms. Free speech. Probably lax composure.So you're saying you're a useless town player who doesn't like to lynch scum? Days only last two days in this game and hammers can strike at any time, why did you 'park' your vote on a player that you definitely didn't want to get lynched? I know we have to vote, why don't you at least try to do something useful with yours? Yeah, yeah, I hear that you don't want to make players defensive. Sure. You might as well have parked your vote on yourself.
I'm voting my 'town'Toaster because I'm parking my vote on him. :I
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*points at that thing in the OP wherein Toony will get all I: at you if you don't post everyday with a vote*
Try reading what content it has. It's basically 0 in a qualitative fashion.Also his initial poke at me was fishy. :IHow can it possibly be fishy if you *know* that he's town?
Also, mastahcheese,Err...how is that deflection?Normally, I ask for you to elaborate, but since Toasty scum is already doing that, I'll just point out that you just admitted to lurking, which is, from what I've been able to gather, far more universally accepted to be considered "scummy".
How is this not deflection, one of my favourite scumtells?
Also, also. TiruinOops, sorry. :xTiruin, same question. (is there any use for pressure votes? Why not go for lynch votes, with the option to change your mind?)
...That was hisThat's ... a strangely honest reply to that question. Do you feel like you regret "townclaiming too hard" now?Imperial Guardsman: Why am I voting you?Because I am townclaiming too hard, and the one person I want to kill comment.
Tiruin:Guarantee? No, not 100%, but I can 99% surely say that scum would always be checking how the votes go, and town to a lesser extent would miss the point regarding the matter...wherein my basis is personal experience.Anyone, really. Hence why it would be an accident. For example, are you always carefully checking how many votes someone has on them before voting? Can you guarantee everyone else is doing the same?So...who do you guess this might be?We're all against ONE DUDE. The hammer would be perfectly an obvious ploy for anyone, and you're...somehow playing it safe? :vAnd someone who isn't scum could go off half-cocked and hammer a townie (accidentally or otherwise), which would result in an inevitable dogpile the next day. 1 hammered townie, 1+ town dead overnight, and 1 essentially guaranteed mislynch the next day. No, I think I'll pass.
Why don't you want someone to sneak in a vote? Wouldn't it be...y'know, a good thing?
That sounds more of a happy-go-lucky characteristic than anything else?
I don't think I can give you an exact methodology. I think a lot of it is just gut feeling, adjusted by how experienced I think a particular player is. There is a fair bit of overlap between newtells and scumtells, as evidenced by any read of a BM.I ask these questions so we can converse. It's like tea and talking with friends--no ulterior motive such as 'I want to study you' and all--that's done every second and only said for emphasis (though it is somewhat a pointy emphasis as far I've seen). We talk and check on each other is all.
Why ask these questions?
It'd be Ottofar, if you don't mind.Yeah sorry, that wasn't deliberate.
That's not much of an argument, NQT. Rather a lacking explanation for your own words.What do you mean 'what about the others'? It's a pretty big deal to put a vote on a player that you know is town. That's why I'm voting you.
So what if I put my vote on the person? What about the others?
Concerned? I'm so laid back here, I'm horizontal. If a player makes a claim, I like to know whether they're being serious or just making stuff up. A newb-scum tactic might be to scare players off lynching him by claiming Paranoid Gun Owner or somesuch.So you have a one-shot vengeance kill or what?Concerned much? Or blatantly rolefishing.
What's the purpose of the last sentence?
Why should I say what your viewpoint is? No, I'm not--how are you explicitly saying 'town' in an assertive way like that along with 'useless'?How? I press one key on the keyboard after another.
Yeah, yeah, I know, it doesn't seem useful to you because of your perception on vote patterns, but you don't seem to be analyzing what the other person is thinking, yeah? Why don't you at least (emphasis on wording back at you) try to do something useful with yours?I can see what you say you were thinking and it doesn't seem particularly pro-town. Are you trying to claim that voting for Toaster was useful? Also, I am doing something useful with my vote: getting rid of scum.
Tiruin...And? *whirls hand in circles*That's not much of an argument, NQT. Rather a lacking explanation for your own words.What do you mean 'what about the others'? It's a pretty big deal to put a vote on a player that you know is town. That's why I'm voting you.
So what if I put my vote on the person? What about the others?
Concerned? I'm so laid back here, I'm horizontal. If a player makes a claim, I like to know whether they're being serious or just making stuff up. A newb-scum tactic might be to scare players off lynching him by claiming Paranoid Gun Owner or somesuch....You seriously think they didn't read the nerf list, huh?
How? I press one key on the keyboard after another.You snarker, you.
I can see what you say you were thinking and it doesn't seem particularly pro-town. Are you trying to claim that voting for Toaster was useful? Also, I am doing something useful with my vote: getting rid of scum.Ahh, yes. The issuance of the generalism 'getting rid of scum' idea: pretty fluff it is.
OttoAlso, mastahcheese,Err...how is that deflection?Normally, I ask for you to elaborate, but since Toasty scum is already doing that, I'll just point out that you just admitted to lurking, which is, from what I've been able to gather, far more universally accepted to be considered "scummy".
How is this not deflection, one of my favourite scumtells?
What do you see in mastahcheese's motive?
There is a use: Seeing people's perception on terms, grammar and how they use such. I could say something is a pressure vote, then I could check the response (and pull it out afterwards without saying when). A vote is a vote, I could say, but given the feeling on what is a 'lynch' vote-that speaks of sure certainty rather than anything else.
Toaster: I assume your vote is sticking? Why?
Toaster: What do you think the odds are that IG has a daykill?
Toaster, mastah I think it's a way to activelurk. You get to safely deposit your vote in a nonthreatening manner. Also, there's no real pressure, because nobody is going to pressurehammer anybody.
ToasterI've stopped voting for no reason in RVS. If I'm voting, there's a reason I'm doing it.So you know Tiruin is scum?And instead lose when they don't get the current king lynched? Considering you cannot win if you're town, I don't see any benefit to holding back. Interesting that you disagree, though.No, I hear what you're saying, and I still think it's smartest to claim if you have the info, but some players might want to try killing King Mafia subtly or something.
Ottofar, You are my top scumpick. Please attempt to prove your innocence.
Ottofar, You are my top scumpick. Please attempt to prove your innocence.Seriously?
[...]you have a slightly higher chance of becoming king mafia in the next round if you are the king mafia.Wah?
Tiruin:I feel like there's an absent verb between 'pointlessly' and 'someone' here.Toaster: I assume your vote is sticking? Why?
Yes. As of this moment, you're my top suspect, chiefly for pointlessly someone you got a town inspect on. I don't buy that you did it just for an antilurk vote, given that there are five other people that you could have targeted.
And instead lose when they don't get the current king lynched? Considering you cannot win if you're town, I don't see any benefit to holding back. Interesting that you disagree, though.No, I hear what you're saying, and I still think it's smartest to claim if you have the info, but some players might want to try killing King Mafia subtly or something.
If they are king mafia this round, and I kill them, they have a higher chance of rolling KM again next round. Also, toaster just seems too agressive to be a townie....While the last statement is something I agree with, is there anything that separates personal behavior from what everyone else did?
is there anything that separates personal behavior from what everyone else did?Hm? What is this uspposed to mean?
Toaster, I have a kill and a revive. You would be perfectly fine if I killed you, and if you ARENT a king mafia, revive you, correct? However, the revive is not perfect. Your role will change completely, and you have a slightly higher chance of becoming king mafia in the next round if you are the king mafia.
Also, toaster just seems too agressive to be a townie.
I feel like there's an absent verb between 'pointlessly' and 'someone' here.
@orange: Did you even read what I posted? >_>
Because I believe you would've constructed something I could totally answer (and totally with details) than this reword of an earlier age here if you did.
Toaster, mastah I think it's a way to activelurk. You get to safely deposit your vote in a nonthreatening manner. Also, there's no real pressure, because nobody is going to pressurehammer anybody.Nice assumption, when you do it, I'm sure we'll kill you first for it.
mastahcheese:Nice to know, bro, if you don't mind me saying.You planning on asking counter-questions or just sit and react?To answer your first question, both.
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Shakerag: You seem to be to reactive and relaxed. I don't like it.
To respond to your second point, I give zero fucks about what you think of my playstyle.
CheeseThe way that you like to pinpoint on one aspect of a person's actions and ignore the rest.Notquitethere: Your arguments make no sense to me. You're going after someone who's actually offering useful information.Tiruin claims she got an innocent inspect on Toaster and yet Toaster is the person she decides to vote for in a game where it only takes four votes to hammer.
Also, mastahcheese,Because the question I'd ask is already supposed to be answered. Unless you want to have to answer the same question twice.Normally, I ask for you to elaborate, but since Toasty scum is already doing that, I'll just point out that you just admitted to lurking, which is, from what I've been able to gather, far more universally accepted to be considered "scummy".
How is this not deflection, one of my favourite scumtells?
Yes. Mastahcheese, perhaps you would like to tell us why you think you are being voted.Because these people are afraid of me.
IG: You're a Shaman-type, aren't you?Bone shaman.
AND THEN THERE WERE THREE.Aye. And now I'm most probably 99% likely utterly sure it is Ottofar.
Sup, Tiruin.
Sup, Ottofar.
One of us is the King mafia.
I don't even know where to begin guessing, what happened?AND THEN THERE WERE THREE.Aye. And now I'm most probably 99% likely utterly sure it is Ottofar.
Sup, Tiruin.
Sup, Ottofar.
One of us is the King mafia.
Unless you aren't a resurrect/chronomancer type, cheese.
Because guess what happened to me last night~ (no, not day end, last night)
Toaster was a Robot (Town).dat sandwich.
Jedi (town, mafia; super-rare; 4+ players): You can disable someone's role. That player will temporarily lose all abilities/characteristics until the next night. Each night you learn the role PM of a random role in the setup, but not who has it. Actions: disable (auto)cheat
Robot (town, survivor; super-rare; 4+ players): Whenever you are targeted by an ability, you gain that ability. It still has its normal effect on you.And I don't even Shakerag. :v
PPE: You targeted me, didn't you, cheese?Last night?
I'd love to ask you why you did such, Cheese, but it's preeeeetty much clear right now who's the last target.Honestly? I really though you were town, and after seeing people dump stupid pressure votes on you and not move them off, I was pretty certain you were someone to keep alive. I wasn't kidding when I said you were actually making sense to me.
...
Also IG's bomb was hilarious. Clever, and hilarious.
I did not expect a suicide bomb ._.
Woo~I'd love to ask you why you did such, Cheese, but it's preeeeetty much clear right now who's the last target.Honestly? I really though you were town, and after seeing people dump stupid pressure votes on you and not move them off, I was pretty certain you were someone to keep alive. I wasn't kidding when I said you were actually making sense to me.
...
Also IG's bomb was hilarious. Clever, and hilarious.
I did not expect a suicide bomb ._.
I'm glad that paid off.
Orange Goo (town, survivor; super-rare; 6+ players): You will steal the vote of anyone who targets you....
Toony/Leafy: There is an action resolution order in effect, right?I'm following the Natural Action Resolution (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution).
Well, you'd have someone who would be grateful for being alive--that someone such as me would then be hunting the next day for and based on the suspects that s/he had. Granted, NQT would've been my bestest best best best target (as well as my hinted suspicion on Toaster because his D1 actions :v) but then the latter was covered by our good ol' Imperial Guardsman, living it up FOR THE EMPEROR and the former...well, I'll just have to say: Why was NQT killed? He was a good alibi, hence why he was my target last night (in which I believe we've an..NAR(?) due to me not having any result, and getting disabled first).Yeah, that's true, I suppose.
Toony/Leafy: There is an action resolution order in effect, right?
*prods Ottofar*
But really, if I hadn't saved you, then after IG murderbombed Toaster, then it would have been just me and ottofar, which would have resulted in KM victory.Yeah...I got that scenario as a counterpoint. While it would've been sweeter both ways (also that appeal to life-saving), the idea would be best to take and check as a clue to whom did what. You and Ottofar? Best case scenario, it'd be YOUR victory. Next case scenario: You've have ME on your side 99% here, and you'd attain victory with my hand helping you.
There's... really no way to make a convincing argument. I mean, from my point of view, any town death is good in the eyes of scum, so I wouldn't have bothered with trying to save one. But that's just my word, against the word of an orange goo.Well, I'd say you played your cards with resurrecting me and I take it in turn as a word of honor.
You're in an interesting situation, here, Tiru.Well, Ottofar could throw whatever things exist to undermine my possibility of existence, but that'd have to be a deep trawl through the mist of who I am and what I can do.
Obviously, I'm going to vote ottofar, because I think he's the KM.
I imagine that ottofar will vote me, as I highly doubt he can come up with any reason to find you guilty.
AND THEN THERE WERE THREE.
On Tiruin, well. First vote in LyLo is often scum.and...?
A stalker would be really easy to fake as the scum, because they know everyone's alignment and have a kill.So that's speaking much!
...Who're you talking to here?AND THEN THERE WERE THREE.
Wait, does this clear mastahcheese? Shakerag's not alive yet, but there is a vote on me, so a quickhammer could've been possible.
I think he's talking to both of us, actually....Who're you talking to here?AND THEN THERE WERE THREE.Wait, does this clear mastahcheese? Shakerag's not alive yet, but there is a vote on me, so a quickhammer could've been possible.
All right, so it's Tiruin then.~o~
Will post a post when home.
Back this up. This seemingly has merit.On Tiruin, well. First vote in LyLo is often scum.and...?
Yellow Goo (town, survivor; super-rare; 4+ players): Whenever someone targets you with an action, they lose the ability to use that action and you gain it. This even affects group actions.
Orange Goo (town, survivor; super-rare; 6+ players): You will steal the vote of anyone who targets you.Two roles which are very muchly different.
Also, pardoning the lynch. If Tiruin hadn't been Pardoned, we'd have entered the day with 4 people. That'd be the best case scenario for the scum. Then, it delves into WIFOM here.Make it 3 people.
Next query: How can you forget your own role, Ottofar?
Back this up. This seemingly has merit.On Tiruin, well. First vote in LyLo is often scum.and...?
Because I see many loopholes there.
So that's what NAR means.
Hm. Well. If Ottofar isn't the KM, then cheese is and I'll be killing him tonight.
Well, this round is set.
Because NQT used the Force on me last night and I didn't do smurf (in which I'm a Cop--yeah, a Cop of the Sane variety: you could rationalize the use as mafia or as town or whatever,
...You'll have to make a better case than that if you're really into the run of being King, Ottofar.
Someone with sincere conviction would've obviously voted either one of us by the start--sans Shakerag because he's a silly shovel.
Somewhere in the world, a nerve is pulled whenever someone says Statistics narrows to a best answer. It's a translation from qualitative or empirical data, to numbers, and back to qualitative data. Something which I see, lacks backing in this case.Back this up. This seemingly has merit.On Tiruin, well. First vote in LyLo is often scum.and...?
Because I see many loopholes there.
Statistics, and aggression. At LyLo you'd be cautious if you weren't rushing to kill one last townie. Scum need to quickly end days, so they have less time to drop tells. I think, at least. That's why extensions were a town tell, until it became a null one.
Firstly: She.So that's what NAR means.
Hm. Well. If Ottofar isn't the KM, then cheese is and I'll be killing him tonight.
Well, this round is set.
Mastacheese, think about this: According to Tiruin's plan he's the only one alive tomorrow, and also the implication behind the statement: he's saying town will win if he's not lynched.
Double with him claiming just a cop, a sane cop first.
Hum...you quote a part, but not relate it to the first paragraph.Also, you do note that Tiruin has been extremely aggressive this day. He instantly jumps on every single thing I say, and doesn't really question much, merely belittles the tells.
Because NQT used the Force on me last night and I didn't do smurf (in which I'm a Cop--yeah, a Cop of the Sane variety: you could rationalize the use as mafia or as town or whatever,
Also, justifying aggression:...You'll have to make a better case than that if you're really into the run of being King, Ottofar.
Someone with sincere conviction would've obviously voted either one of us by the start--sans Shakerag because he's a silly shovel.
No, well, yes, a scum who needs to quickly get the round over, before they can be questioned, before they drop a tell.
Tiruin
(also don't pick Unlynchable)YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
Oh Shakerag, you troll. xDWell, technically I didn't pick out anything but unlynchable, so blame ToonyMan. But I'll take that as a compliment anyway. Also, mastahcheese summed up my role accurately.
You hardcore troll.
On Tiruin, well. First vote in LyLo is often scum.It wasn't LyLo when Tiruin first voted.
However I wonder why I chose to reveal that I had Stalker in the first place rather than reveal that Oh hey Sane Cop!Because it's an excellent alibi if you're KM. You claim an inspect/kill role? If you're scum, you can claim you inspected someone last night (because you'd know everyone else is town) when you actually killed. If someone pegs you as a killer overnight, well, you've got a killing role.
And no, I only know Toaster's alignment.
Re: Statistics. I'm not going to the statistics thing again. We did it in some BYOR, about miller-claiming being a towntell, if I recall correctly. It ate up the whole day one. The original millerclaim was, not surprisingly, town, and when the statistics were brought up Dariush, scum, claimed one himself. He was scum.Statistics ignores the human aspect.
It's somewhat beside the point, I admit, but statistics are correct when they're used on as well-known scumtell as that one.Problem: Viewpoint.
Re: Genders, sorry. My native language is Finnish with gender-neutral pronouns, so I usually default to "he" without thinking about it.Finland! :D
Re: Killclaim, wait where?>Stalker
Re: Disputing the force and things, how exactly. What.> NQT should've acted yesterday.
Re: List of reads. Individual reads don't really matter at this point. because:Yes it does really matter. You're trying not to convince me, but mastahcheese (and Shakerag, but he's a fish.)
Re: Appeal to audience, there's no need to pressure you any further, because Mastahcheese has cleared himself and Shakerag's died already.
Re: Stalkerclaim vs Copclaim. I said, atleast I thought I did that at first you claimed a sane cop and nothing else. Then you revised the claim to contain a kill, to imply that with you living the day town's victory will be inevitable....Yes.
Re: Singling me out, could you explain your train of thought there, again? You were disabled, or what.Yoop!
Re: Dubious part. You're, again, trivializing and belittling my arguments instead of providing a real defense.:O
Mastah's postErr, how?
Re: Believing you. I don't believe you because you pardoned Tiruin. I believe you because you could've ended the day by lynching me but you didn't. That makes you clear, in my eyes. Get it? You could've quickhammered, there was an opening. You didn't take it, because you weren't sure about my alignment. If Tiruin would've been in the same situation she'd have hammered me right away. You didn't. That is why I think you are town.
Please, read the day once more, or twice. Think.
And no, you can't concisely conclude because 'x happened before SO SCUM'Urge to shovel ... rising.
mastahcheese: Which of these two goons, in your opinion, do you think would have killed off NQT?I don't think that Tiruin would have killed NQT, I think she would've went for someone else, knowing her.
Meh, fuck it.I thought you couldn't vote?
Ottofar
YOU THOUGHT WRONGMeh, fuck it.I thought you couldn't vote?
Ottofar
Okay, just reading back on the day I missed. I didn't learn anything last night. Also, my Jedi results were Yellow Goo and Robot, both of whom are now dead. I targeted Shakerag with a disable both nights that I was a Jedi: the first time because I knew nothing and I took him to be the biggest threat as a player, the second time because I knew he wasn't Yellow Goo.So you're the reason I had a vote D1. Cool.
Hmm, so I've read back. Sheep, Powder, Wolf, Cheese, any info for us?I really don't know, man, I've been going by my gut this whole time, and saved Tiru because I just had that feeling that she was town, and I turned out to be right. And now I'm mad because she's dead and there was nothing I could do about it. I can stop a lynch, but not a Night Kill.
Hmm, so I've read back. Sheep, Powder, Wolf, Cheese, any info for us?Hey guys, I found the mafia.
Everyone: Why the lack of RVS?I really just don't know what to ask that could possibly provide information. This isn't like any other game I've been in.
Inspected mastahcheese, got town; but in retrospect that's not a particularly reliable result since I can't know how reliable or unreliable my results are. If someone could provide a crossresult of some sort, that'd be great.You're not claiming a scum result and you say it's not that valuable, so why are you outing yourself as a cop on D1?
What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Everyone: Why the lack of RVS?I really just don't know what to ask that could possibly provide information. This isn't like any other game I've been in.
Sorta ninja'd by Powder.
So when given the choice of using something that can find and kill the mafia and not using it, you choose the latter?I outed myself as a Magistrate. How is this different?
And why would you claim this:Inspected mastahcheese, got town; but in retrospect that's not a particularly reliable result since I can't know how reliable or unreliable my results are. If someone could provide a crossresult of some sort, that'd be great.You're not claiming a scum result and you say it's not that valuable, so why are you outing yourself as a cop on D1?
PPE:I'm not saying scumhunting is ineffective, it's just that I can't honestly think of a question that would be applicable other than some kind of hypothetical question, which half the time still wouldn't be applicable, because we're not dealing with vanilla townies and whatnot, people can be practically anything here, and can just power role their ways past a lot of things that other people would have trouble with.What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Everyone: Why the lack of RVS?I really just don't know what to ask that could possibly provide information. This isn't like any other game I've been in.
Sorta ninja'd by Powder.
You're not claiming a scum result and you say it's not that valuable, so why are you outing yourself as a cop on D1?Every time I've been in a KotM game, it's gone the same way-- sharing of roles and figuring out actions depending on said roles. Considering the setup, I can't really see why not.
Because cops are more of a danger to mafia?So when given the choice of using something that can find and kill the mafia and not using it, you choose the latter?I outed myself as a Magistrate. How is this different?
And why would you claim this:Inspected mastahcheese, got town; but in retrospect that's not a particularly reliable result since I can't know how reliable or unreliable my results are. If someone could provide a crossresult of some sort, that'd be great.You're not claiming a scum result and you say it's not that valuable, so why are you outing yourself as a cop on D1?
How do the possible roles affect RVS? The entire point of it is to get conversation started - role questions are just an easy way to make relevant questions. You're just not making an effort. You can't find anything to pressure so far?PPE:I'm not saying scumhunting is ineffective, it's just that I can't honestly think of a question that would be applicable other than some kind of hypothetical question, which half the time still wouldn't be applicable, because we're not dealing with vanilla townies and whatnot, people can be practically anything here, and can just power role their ways past a lot of things that other people would have trouble with.What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Everyone: Why the lack of RVS?I really just don't know what to ask that could possibly provide information. This isn't like any other game I've been in.
Sorta ninja'd by Powder.
And to ask for stuff like that would be rolefishing.
So you're saying we should mass-claim?You're not claiming a scum result and you say it's not that valuable, so why are you outing yourself as a cop on D1?Every time I've been in a KotM game, it's gone the same way-- sharing of roles and figuring out actions depending on said roles. Considering the setup, I can't really see why not.
Additionally, my result on its own is not terribly useful, but some crosschecking with other people during the day might be useful to determine if I have any modifiers to my "sanity."
Cop isn't as terribly dangerous a role as it might be otherwise, considering that everyone has some sort of role.
So when given the choice of using something that can find and kill the mafia and not using it, you choose the latter?
Inspection-type roles are still probably the biggest threat to the mafia, I'd say.So then, does that mean that Powder is a bigger threat to the KM then I am?
And you didn't reply to this:So when given the choice of using something that can find and kill the mafia and not using it, you choose the latter?
Pfp, TWS, before starting to accuse people in earnest, I like the hear them out.OK, but you usually start the game with RVS. You even did it in the last round, which was exactly like this round, except for the no NK rule.
You say I'm not contributing to the discussion, yet the very post you quote is one in which I inform others of what I learned as a Jedi:That's not actually true - I quoted your post in it's entirety - but whatever, it's not really important.
how is that not contributing?A post that only contains useless claims is not really an acceptable gamestart post. Scumhunting is what I'm talking about.
And was I scum last round when Tiruin said I was role fishing?This is just bad logic. Yes, town can drop scumtells too.
This is a high mortality game and any useful info town has that doesn't harm the player too much should be shared.I already answered this:
If we had useful information we would share it, don't you think?
So then, does that mean that Powder is a bigger threat to the KM then I am?Role-wise, yes. Somebody trying to play WIFOM, redirects, PM being Mafia, etc.
If I died instead, what would be your take on that?
On the massclaim: Do you have any good reason why we shouldn't massclaim?Only the standard one, that it tells the mafia exactly what to do. I don't know why you guys see this as such an extraordinarily role-heavy game. In a standard BYOR each player has more abilities than what I've seen from the role-flips and my own role.
OK, but you usually start the game with RVS. You even did it in the last round, which was exactly like this round, except for the no NK rule.Not exactly the same, as there are still surviving players. You're right though that I should get myself more in the mindset that this is a completely different round: for me though nothing's changed since the last time (I'm still town, I still don't know who the King is) and I think mentally I was already past the random vote stage.
A post that only contains useless claims is not really an acceptable gamestart post. Scumhunting is what I'm talking about.It also contained a question, which is the start for scumhunting. After all, here we are discussing game-relevant things. Further, it behooved me to inform others as to whether I'd learned anything as a Jedi.
This is just bad logic. Yes, town can drop scumtells too.I think we have very different ideas as to what constitutes a good scumhunting. In my book, if town can drop a 'scumtell' then it's not a useful tell.
And you didn't claim your Jedi stuff D1 - why?I wasn't going to claim disabling Shakerag because he might have visited retribution regardless of his alignment, and I didn't want to say about the Orange Goo in case I messed with another town player's strategy. On retrospect, maybe alerting people to the possibility of an Orange Goo might have been the right thing to do. Given the high probability of being murdered at night, if I get any remotely useful information, I'll share it in future.
And why'd you vote me? I don't really see any accusations in that post, just an OMGUS.You voted me for 'role-fishing' when I wanted to find out if anyone had useful information. It's likely I'll change my vote to one of the others if they don't get in and post soon. I have no info at the moment so you're as fine a target as any.
Inspected mastahcheese, got town; but in retrospect that's not a particularly reliable result since I can't know how reliable or unreliable my results are. If someone could provide a crossresult of some sort, that'd be great.If I were KING MAFIA, I'd want to know who had an inspect also. Nice try at being coy.
I really just don't know what to ask that could possibly provide information. This isn't like any other game I've been in.So play like you've never played in any other game.
I don't know why you guys see this as such an extraordinarily role-heavy game. In a standard BYOR each player has more abilities than what I've seen from the role-flips and my own role.It used to be way more role-heavy. Read the earlier KotM thread.
Shakerag— we still can't lynch you, right?You'll never know until you try.
What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Ahh hah hah, burn.
No, you don't get points for making a scumslip that started conversation when I pressed you on it.A post that only contains useless claims is not really an acceptable gamestart post. Scumhunting is what I'm talking about.It also contained a question, which is the start for scumhunting. After all, here we are discussing game-relevant things. Further, it behooved me to inform others as to whether I'd learned anything as a Jedi.
I think we have very different ideas as to what constitutes a good scumhunting. In my book, if town can drop a 'scumtell' then it's not a useful tell.What? Are you saying town makes no mistakes? All the times you've mislynched somebody they were dropping no tells?
I wasn't going to claim disabling Shakerag because he might have visited retribution regardless of his alignment, and I didn't want to say about the Orange Goo in case I messed with another town player's strategy.These are terrible reasons. The first relies on you thinking that Shakerag is highly impulsive and illogical, which you know isn't the case. The second makes no sense, especially since you yourself say that if you get anything remotely useful you'll claim it instantly.
You voted me for 'role-fishing' when I wanted to find out if anyone had useful information. It's likely I'll change my vote to one of the others if they don't get in and post soon. I have no info at the moment so you're as fine a target as any.Oh I see. You'd rather OMGUS than scumhunt with your vote.
Yeah, I have, but it should be obvious by now that it's not going to be like that.I don't know why you guys see this as such an extraordinarily role-heavy game. In a standard BYOR each player has more abilities than what I've seen from the role-flips and my own role.It used to be way more role-heavy. Read the earlier KotM thread.
What?What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Ahh hah hah, burn.
What? Are you saying town makes no mistakes? All the times you've mislynched somebody they were dropping no tells?Town make stupid mistakes all the time. When I mislynch someone, I know full well that I'm only making the best guess in a situation of imperfect information. I tend not to work off of tells anyway, most so-called tells don't amount to a hill of beans. It's people's actions that tend to say more (not that this is infallible either) and last turn I voted a town Tiruin because of her actions rather than her words.
Dispute my reasons if you like, you know I was town then and I didn't claim and I judged it to be reasonable at the time. Now, I've had a rethink and take a slightly more relaxed position to claims in this game, but obviously I still don't think a claim should be made if doing so may jeopardise the town.QuoteI wasn't going to claim disabling Shakerag because he might have visited retribution regardless of his alignment, and I didn't want to say about the Orange Goo in case I messed with another town player's strategy.These are terrible reasons. The first relies on you thinking that Shakerag is highly impulsive and illogical, which you know isn't the case. The second makes no sense, especially since you yourself say that if you get anything remotely useful you'll claim it instantly.
TheWetSheepYes, NQT, my nonexistent kill failed last night. Quit rolefishing.OK, but you usually start the game with RVS. You even did it in the last round, which was exactly like this round, except for the no NK rule.Not exactly the same, as there are still surviving players. You're right though that I should get myself more in the mindset that this is a completely different round: for me though nothing's changed since the last time (I'm still town, I still don't know who the King is) and I think mentally I was already past the random vote stage.A post that only contains useless claims is not really an acceptable gamestart post. Scumhunting is what I'm talking about.It also contained a question, which is the start for scumhunting. After all, here we are discussing game-relevant things. Further, it behooved me to inform others as to whether I'd learned anything as a Jedi.This is just bad logic. Yes, town can drop scumtells too.I think we have very different ideas as to what constitutes a good scumhunting. In my book, if town can drop a 'scumtell' then it's not a useful tell.And you didn't claim your Jedi stuff D1 - why?I wasn't going to claim disabling Shakerag because he might have visited retribution regardless of his alignment, and I didn't want to say about the Orange Goo in case I messed with another town player's strategy. On retrospect, maybe alerting people to the possibility of an Orange Goo might have been the right thing to do. Given the high probability of being murdered at night, if I get any remotely useful information, I'll share it in future.And why'd you vote me? I don't really see any accusations in that post, just an OMGUS.You voted me for 'role-fishing' when I wanted to find out if anyone had useful information. It's likely I'll change my vote to one of the others if they don't get in and post soon. I have no info at the moment so you're as fine a target as any.
Shakerag— we still can't lynch you, right?
Cheese— why did you pardon Tiruin?
Wolf— did your kill fail last night?
Powderminer— so do you think that the final King wins King Mafia in spite of mass claims?
Powder Miner:No, I'm not. I have limited enough time on the forums as is to ask myself questions for someone else's benefit.Inspected mastahcheese, got town; but in retrospect that's not a particularly reliable result since I can't know how reliable or unreliable my results are. If someone could provide a crossresult of some sort, that'd be great.If I were KING MAFIA, I'd want to know who had an inspect also. Nice try at being coy.
mastahcheese:I really just don't know what to ask that could possibly provide information. This isn't like any other game I've been in.So play like you've never played in any other game.
TWS:I don't know why you guys see this as such an extraordinarily role-heavy game. In a standard BYOR each player has more abilities than what I've seen from the role-flips and my own role.It used to be way more role-heavy. Read the earlier KotM thread.
NQT:Shakerag— we still can't lynch you, right?You'll never know until you try.
4maskwolf: Ask yourself a question and answer it for me.What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Ahh hah hah, burn.
Town make stupid mistakes all the time. When I mislynch someone, I know full well that I'm only making the best guess in a situation of imperfect information. I tend not to work off of tells anyway, most so-called tells don't amount to a hill of beans. It's people's actions that tend to say more (not that this is infallible either) and last turn I voted a town Tiruin because of her actions rather than her words.Which actions? There were no provable actions that showed her to be mafia, you lynched her because she was acting funny. In words.
Dispute my reasons if you like, you know I was town then and I didn't claim and I judged it to be reasonable at the time. Now, I've had a rethink and take a slightly more relaxed position to claims in this game, but obviously I still don't think a claim should be made if doing so may jeopardise the town.My point is that I think that the most likely reason for this shift in views is an alignment change.
Your points about my scumhunting lack teeth: unlike you, I've actually now directed a specific question to every other player. Have you not got anything to say to Wolf?Nope. I'm past RVS now.
Votecount (3 votes to hammer):Err, is it 3 votes needed to hammer or 6 votes?
Notquitethere: TheWetSheep (1)
TheWetSheep: Notquitethere (1)
Powder Miner: Shakerag (1)
Not voting: Mastahcheese, 4maskwolf, Powder Miner (3)
Day ends in about 23 hours.
So when given the choice of using something that can find and kill the mafia and not using it, you choose the latter?The entire point I'd been making was that it may not, in fact, be effective in finding and killing mafia-- it's more like when given the choice of wasting time on something that doesn't work in this instance and working on something more productive, I chose the latter.
Powderminer— so do you think that the final King wins King Mafia in spite of mass claims?The Final King wins King Mafia in spite of every single tactic used to try to bring him down, of course it'd be in spite of massclaiming.
Powder Miner:This isn't a normal mafia game where a single inspect role turns the tide of a game by virtue of its rarity-- in KotM, it's probable that there's more than one inspect role, and thus it's more useful to get information out there for review than to sit on a role and not give anything out, ESPECIALLY when the short nature of the game makes it questionable if there'll be a later time to report it. Yet perhaps you don't want that information circulating?Inspected mastahcheese, got town; but in retrospect that's not a particularly reliable result since I can't know how reliable or unreliable my results are. If someone could provide a crossresult of some sort, that'd be great.If I were KING MAFIA, I'd want to know who had an inspect also. Nice try at being coy.
I have no info at the moment so you're as fine a target as any.So, notquitethere, let me get this straight: you go off of actions instead of words, so basically you totally eschew the actual daygame? And then your only action is to vote a guy for voting you because your refusal to play the daygame has left you no info? You're excusing OMGUS by stating that, basically "why not"-- you refuse to deal with the various questioning everyone else is doing. Words are integral here, even when claiming is involved you always need to look at what people are saying.
Which actions? There were no provable actions that showed her to be mafia, you lynched her because she was acting funny. In words.I lynched her because of her voting behavior, which though not infallible is a better guide to scumminess as I have argued many times before elsewhere as you surely must know by now.
My point is that I think that the most likely reason for this shift in views is an alignment change.It's a cute theory but you're wrong.
Nope. I'm past RVS now.I see, so you don't believe you have to interact with every player to find scum. When there are only five players. Right. I don't think this necessarily makes you scum, but I don't think much of your town technique. Still, I guess you're being more engaged than most others.
You only started questioning people when I pressured you. Also, why is your vote parked on somebody you're not pressuring when you could use it to add weight to your RVS?In actual fact the game started while I was at work and K didn't have much time to make a long post for the first few posts- but you'll note that I did ask the same specific question to a bunch of people before you 'pressured' me. And you don't think I'm pressuring you in return? Still, I'll say one thing, at least you have a case.
So, notquitethere, let me get this straight: you go off of actions instead of words, so basically you totally eschew the actual daygame?No. That's a misunderstanding of my long-held position. I take votes to be the most significant action, and I'm more than happy to look at the bullshit cases that accompany votes. I'm all about the day game but in a way that other people aren't. Go see the mafia theory thread if you think I'm just making this up now.
And then your only action is to vote a guy for voting you because your refusal to play the daygame has left you no info? You're excusing OMGUS by stating that, basically "why not"-- you refuse to deal with the various questioning everyone else is doing. Words are integral here, even when claiming is involved you always need to look at what people are saying.Yes, you need to look at what people are saying, but more important, as good scum are great liars, is to look at what people are doing with their votes and night actions. My first act of today was to ascertain the night action part, now I'm continuing to follow up on the voting part. I you think this makes me scum then you've obviously never seen me in any other game I'm in.
PowderNo. That's a misunderstanding of my long-held position. I take votes to be the most significant action, and I'm more than happy to look at the bullshit cases that accompany votes. I'm all about the day game but in a way that other people aren't. Go see the mafia theory thread if you think I'm just making this up now.[/quote]You've had votes today. Why did you not, then, take action based off of it, besides an OMGUS?So, notquitethere, let me get this straight: you go off of actions instead of words, so basically you totally eschew the actual daygame?
Your definition of "following up on the voting part" was voting someone who voted you. What information could you have gleaned form that vote except for "This person is a threat to me"? And, no, I won't leave you alone because I've never played games with you. You can harp over and over to everyone about how your playstyle works, but I simply won't depend on your meta to completely overturn all cases. You need to provide arguments that have to do with the specific situation, not arguments that hinge on how you play across all games.And then your only action is to vote a guy for voting you because your refusal to play the daygame has left you no info? You're excusing OMGUS by stating that, basically "why not"-- you refuse to deal with the various questioning everyone else is doing. Words are integral here, even when claiming is involved you always need to look at what people are saying.Yes, you need to look at what people are saying, but more important, as good scum are great liars, is to look at what people are doing with their votes and night actions. My first act of today was to ascertain the night action part, now I'm continuing to follow up on the voting part. I you think this makes me scum then you've obviously never seen me in any other game I'm in.
You've had votes today. Why did you not, then, take action based off of it, besides an OMGUS?I'd dispute that it was an OMGUS in the full sense of the word, as I know that Sheep's vote on me was based on bogus case, as you'll all see when I flip town. In any case, I'm pleased that Sheep seems to have some kind of case which is more than can be said for some of the others.
Your definition of "following up on the voting part" was voting someone who voted you. What information could you have gleaned form that vote except for "This person is a threat to me"?This is a reasonable question. In truth, if I'd have had more time when I was initially posting I'd have addressed more players in depth and made better use of my vote. Now I've got a little more time I'm trying to make more use of it.
And, no, I won't leave you alone because I've never played games with you. You can harp over and over to everyone about how your playstyle works, but I simply won't depend on your meta to completely overturn all cases. You need to provide arguments that have to do with the specific situation, not arguments that hinge on how you play across all games.I can understand your view here, but when my behaviour flows from my overall perspective on mafia, it makes sense for me to refer to this perspective when you accuse me of acting scummily.
WolfEh?
Watch out, you're enroute to being mod-killed and permabanned.
If he doesn't vote for 48 hours and takes no actions, he'd be modkilled and prevented from re-entering the game. Also, shush you, you're dead.WolfEh?
Watch out, you're enroute to being mod-killed and permabanned.
Don't have time to post more fully right now, but wanted to point out that a person with a town inspect on them is pretty much guaranteed town, since either the person inspecting is town and they're telling the truth or they're scum and the inspected person can't be scum anyway.Is that what happened with Cheese? Okay then, that's confirmed town if so.
Yeah unless Innocent stuff, but that's unlikely.... That's hammer, isn't it...
Unvote
Vote NQT for antilurk
Also, NQT is begging us not to kill him on account of a game breaking strategy. Yet if he is scum, he won't get an inspection result, but he can sure as he'll take one since he knows everyone else is scum. There is NO WAY to trust his word if we follow his strategy. Or any others. Or, for that matter, the word of anyone here. Unless we know they are confirmed town. Which is basically nobody.Just shows that you've not read a damn word I've said. I'm offering the town a way they can create more confirmed town players, whether or not anyone thinks I'm scum. The plan works, you're just sore I'm voting you. Are you going to give me a reason why the plan won't work? I believe I've covered all the possible outcomes.
Oh, and does this copy power give you the inspect result or give the inspector two results?It gives me the inspect result, I'm the one performing the action, the nature of the action depends on what Powder actually does. Do you understand how this plan is a better bet for finding scum than lynching me today?
Cheese You're pretty much confirmed town: what do you think of my Inspection-Chain plan?Pretty elaborate, what happens if you're scum?
Pretty elaborate, what happens if you're scum?The simple version is: I am able to confirm whether Powder is telling the truth or not and best case scenario find out who scum definitely is, by confirming Powder's night action, his role claim, and Shakerag alignment all in one go. But I can't do that if I'm dead.
No, I'm not. I have limited enough time on the forums as is to ask myself questions for someone else's benefit.Then allow me to assist you in freeing up some of that time.
This isn't a normal mafia game where a single inspect role turns the tide of a game by virtue of its rarity-- in KotM, it's probable that there's more than one inspect role, and thus it's more useful to get information out there for review than to sit on a role and not give anything out, ESPECIALLY when the short nature of the game makes it questionable if there'll be a later time to report it. Yet perhaps you don't want that information circulating?Fair enough. As to your question, I couldn't care less at this point. I think I'm almost assuredly going to catch an NK tonight, and given that I've lived to D3 (and got past the first round) in spite of picking unlynchable and the mod's best efforts to screw me over, I've pretty much achieved my own personal victory. Any further survival on my part is just cake.
I am implying that you have delivered on to whomever that was a scathing insult.What?What makes it different? Why is scumhunting ineffective in this game and not others?Ahh hah hah, burn.
Powder MinerWow, oh wow, oh wow. "You know I'm town because Sheep is bogus, which you'll see when I flip town."... "You know I'm town because I'm town."
I'd dispute that it was an OMGUS in the full sense of the word, as I know that Sheep's vote on me was based on bogus case, as you'll all see when I flip town.
In any case, I'm pleased that Sheep seems to have some kind of case which is more than can be said for some of the others.I don't really care. I've got my own case, and I'm going to push it.
I can understand your view here, but when my behaviour flows from my overall perspective on mafia, it makes sense for me to refer to this perspective when you accuse me of acting scummily.Of course. It still won't stop me from thinking you scummy, considering what you've said today.
Everyone, please don't hammer me right this moment as I'm currently formulating a game breaking strategy based on my role and Powder's that could be guaranteed to find scum, or at the very least narrow it down to two people. Some of it depends on whether Wolf gets himself modkilled this round. I'll have it all worked out in three to five hours. Most of you are probably asleep, but I want to make sure I get this worked out before I'm dead.I kind of exposed the hole that ruins this. It won't serve so well to redirect our attention now, scum.
Now, now, I shouldn't let sudden gameplans keep me away from questioning you, NQT.Naturally. Just don't take too long to decide.
I despise this argument. We simply canNOT take your word for this, and in general the argument that "I'll flip town, just you wait!" is used by desperate scum or people who don't know what they're doing.OK, it wasn't meant to be a super-compelling argument or anything. It's just a fact, but I definitely don't want you to take my word on faith. That's why I've since offered a more useful way to assist town: one that confirms your role and doesn't rely on you necessarily believing I'm town.
I know you're not a noob, NQT, so I have to say you're pretty obviously scum. I really, really despise that argument.
A lot.
I kind of exposed the hole that ruins this. It won't serve so well to redirect our attention now, scum.What hole? What will you do when I flip and you've thrown away an opportunity to have your role confirmed? You can inspect me tonight can't you? I'm more useful to town alive.
Powder, have you got any reason to suppose you'd not be a sane cop? You'd only get something like that if your role was majorly nerfed.And the key here is that I don't know if I've been nerfed or not. It's a distinct uncertainty.
Regardless of whether you were nerfed or not, I'd learn whether you did in fact have an inspect ability of any kind. Now's the time to say you were lying if you were in fact lying.I'm not lying, nor have I been. And here's the thing: you try to entice me with claims you'd confirm my inspection role, but I'm not aiming to be confirmed town, I'm aiming to lynch the scum. Your words so far make me almost certain it's you.
You wanted someone to confirm your ability, doesn't this plan do just that?I wanted someone to confirm mastahcheese's alignment, not to confirm my role. You won't entice me that easily.
Naturally. Just don't take too long to decide.Oh, I've already decided. I think you're scum, NQT. It's why my vote's still on you.
OK, it wasn't meant to be a super-compelling argument or anything. It's just a fact, but I definitely don't want you to take my word on faith. That's why I've since offered a more useful way to assist town: one that confirms your roleI want scum to die, not to be confirmed.
and doesn't rely on you necessarily believing I'm town.But it really does. Just because you offered ONE possible dichotomy of actions doesn't mean you can't take any more that would sabotage the entire plan.
What hole? What will you do when I flip and you've thrown away an opportunity to have your role confirmed? You can inspect me tonight can't you? I'm more useful to town alive.The "don't lynch me town wants me" argument was scummy then and it's scummy now.
Cheese You're pretty much confirmed town: what do you think of my Inspection-Chain plan?Violently...
Also Wolf, the only damn thing you've done today is not read anything and violently lash out. Engage your brain and give me a good reason not to be pushing for your lynch. Can you bring anything to the table?
You really do hate me, don't you, NQT. The fact that you are overreacting to a simple vote designed to keep me from being mod killed makes me suspicious. Cheese has no vote reasoning at all, and Shakerqg is voting me to try to get me to play.Aww Wolf, I don't hate you. I think you're one of the strongest recent players in fact. But you're also the person who we have the least information on due to your short number of short posts, and your 'simple vote' put me at L-1, so I don't think I've overreacted in the slightest. Simply put, your play today (whether it was due to outside circumstances or not) has made you the best candidate for a lynch. I'm all for being charitable, but this is King of the Mafia here, it's serious beeswax.
Day 3 is technically over now. 4maskwolf hasn't been online in almost three hours and hasn't come back so I'll assume they're okay with their lynch.BLUH HUH I'M HERE I SAID 7 MY TIME AND I'M ON EARLIER DAMN IT!!!!!!!
shit....
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Days end at 9 PM EST and I can't go back now. Don't say you'll come back after the deadline!
If Powder dies and I get an Inspection result, I'll either know Shakerag is scum or I'll have two confirmed townies versus the remaining scum (either Wolf or Sheep). The remaining town can be sure that Shakerag and Cheese are good and so can decide between lynching me or the remaining town player.
Cheese And another thing... why did you vote then immediately unvote? The day only lasts 48 hours, do you intend to make a case before it closes?
Does this sound like a good plan? More importantly, are you happy to go along with this Powder? Best case scenario, this confirms the roles of four players in one go (you, me, Cheese and Shakerag). Obviously, if you're scum you'll have good reasons for not wanting to go with this plan, so if you have any reservations, make them clear.You point out that you want Powder to go along with you.
Sheep, hang you scumbucket....Have you even thought this out? Or are you just blindly following NQT?
Shakerag: Claim, please. Why can you vote?1. No.
I inspected NQT last night. My result said he was town.Sheep, hang you scumbucket....Have you even thought this out? Or are you just blindly following NQT?
I inspected NQT last night. My result said he was town....
Must be Shakerag.Good luck with that.
Cheese, no I can't really see where you're coming from. You seem to be saying, if Sheep were scum he'd WIFOM, but he isn't so he's not. That's like saying, if Sheep were scum then he'd be playing poorly rightly now. Can you see the problem there?Hmm, I don't think you're quite reading my argument correctly, but I think it's starting to become a moot point.
See it from my side for a moment: I figure out a way to use my power to confirm a bunch of players and present this. I'm eager to get Powder to go along with it, but of course I'm confident he will if he's town (which was by no means certain at that point). Sheep kills Powder because it was absolutely the right move at that point, because he'd be confident of lynching me today and sailing on to a win.
Bone Shaman (town; super-rare; 5+ players): When you die, you can return another dead player to life with a new role and team
Players may choose to no-lynch two days in a row. Otherwise a lynch must be made. If players force a tie, then the lynch target will be randomly decided between the lynch candidates. If there are only two players left the compulsory lynch rule is not enforced, instead a stalemate results in a mafia loss.
Yeah he inspected as Mafia.Oh, right, because you'd totally say "Oh, my bad, he's town, guess you should lynch me."
... wow, NQT, you should at least let the man say his piece before killing him.Eh? Why NQT?
Anyway, a question for Everyone: Is there ever a point in a game of KotM where a roleclaim is in order, in your opinion. If so, when?KotM is like the ironman of any thing. Hardcore logic.
Another question to everyone while I'm still awake: Which player in this game would you be most scared of as King Mafia and why?You should sleep more.
Ok, the new day started. What now?...
4maskwolfHi Tiruin.... wow, NQT, you should at least let the man say his piece before killing him.Eh? Why NQT?Anyway, a question for Everyone: Is there ever a point in a game of KotM where a roleclaim is in order, in your opinion. If so, when?KotM is like the ironman of any thing. Hardcore logic.
A roleclaim is due when things either get desperate, or when things mostly fall into place that it only needs honesty on most players' parts to do such and most likely out the KM.Another question to everyone while I'm still awake: Which player in this game would you be most scared of as King Mafia and why?You should sleep more.
And...eh? I fear nobody :I
Now, admiration and awe? Those are different things. Not afraid of someone as the KM, but I've a scale of liking people being the KM because they're so... vague(?) to separate than if they're town in their playstyle.
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Why do you finger NQT, 4mask?Ok, the new day started. What now?...
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What now? :V
A new round = A new game. You retain whatever role you had before but your alignment is changed (or kept the same).
Like why I was killed before, for example. :I I know I should've just stuck to the role cop claim, but no.
pfpAnd how would a roleclaim help narrow down the suspects, Mastahcheese?
@Roleclaim: I think that if it's down to Mylo or Lylo, and there's really no person in particular that stands out, then it might help to narrow down the suspects.
@Scared of KM: Really, I don't know. Probably someone smart enough to choose a power that could be actually helpful to scum.
Fine, who do you fear and respect most as mafia.You mean if I'm mafia and who I fear and respect most or who I fear and respect most if they're mafia? :P
MFOS?
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Last game?
Err?Fine, who do you fear and respect most as mafia.You mean if I'm mafia and who I fear and respect most or who I fear and respect most if they're mafia? :P
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That is a good question. But it lacks a "?"
Anyways, err. Yeah, I'm serious when I say that. There are tons of people I'd put that in a list. And no. Ordinal ranking does not help either at all.
Why? Due to the idea that everyone has the potential in them...not just because of how they are right now (I mean I'd say Leafsnail but then that'd leave out most other peoples...I'd also say NQT but same premise holds...)
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So I can't actually answer that question.
Tiruin: Why am I voting you?...Because you suspect me and/or are operating under the belief that I'm always scum?
Bzzt. The correct answer is: "because I am a misogynist". Clearly my vote needs to stay on you for now.Tiruin: Why am I voting you?...Because you suspect me and/or are operating under the belief that I'm always scum?
My best guess anyway :v
b]4maskwolf[/b]: Do you feel that there is sexism in Mafia?I'm not sure. I don't distinguish between female and male mafia players.
Wolf, I knew you'd be back. I don't regret lynching you: we found the scum through the plan. And that's when town players should claim: when doing so has the best chance of finding scum. A series of three interlocking claims took out Sheep.Note the use of the word joking.
If you think claiming your role can lynch us the scum, then go right on ahead.
Tiruin, I'm sorry for trying to lynch you back in round 1: I should have realised that you parking your vote on someone you knew to be town was entirely in character. Do you think you'll play much differently this round?;_;
Tiruin:Uncool dude. u_uBzzt. The correct answer is: "because I am a misogynist". Clearly my vote needs to stay on you for now.Tiruin: Why am I voting you?...Because you suspect me and/or are operating under the belief that I'm always scum?
My best guess anyway :v
EBWOP: Why're you announcing you investigated him, btw?BECAUSE I'M PISSED OFF HE DIED.
And how would a roleclaim help narrow down the suspects, Mastahcheese?Add up what people did, see where discrepancies lie, fill in the blanks, that sort of thing. Narrow down who could have done what.
mastahcheese: Do think I should have known better than to inspect Toaster? I mean ... in hindsight he was going to be one of the strongest, if not the strongest, player ... of course he'd get targeted with a kill ... but, damn, I just had to know.I think that the way you're talking, you knew he'd die. I think that you're a lying scumbucket and you killed him, and you're trying to cover for it.
Cheese, do you think Shakerag's playstyle today is pro-town?I think he's scum and should die.
Also just for posterity: Last time we met (ie When I was alive) was when you resurrected right? And...well, I am unsure if I read IG's role right-it changed the role (and probable alignment) of the one targeted, yes?1 - Yes.
Does that mean it changed your role too?
Because seriously. We ALL thought you couldn't vote (and...ToonyMan seemed to be under this too. xD) until that one hammer hit. You role is not what you had before, yes?
Shake, you seem concerned that everyone know that you definitely inspected Toaster. Do you have anything else to contribute? Is there any particular reason to vote Tiruin over anyone else?I'm concerned that you all don't realize how pissed off I am at wasting an inspect. Outside of politically incorrect humour and biting sarcasm, no, I really don't have anything else to contribute.
Shakerag: Why you ask useless questions?
As to your question, I couldn't care less at this point. I think I'm almost assuredly going to catch an NK tonight, and given that I've lived toD3D5 (and got past the first round) in spite of picking unlynchable and the mod's best efforts to screw me over, I've pretty much achieved my own personal victory. Any further survival on my part is just cake.
And you're not the only one...did that thought occur to you? :vTHEN YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND MY PAIN.
I think that the way you're talking, you knew he'd die. I think that you're a lying scumbucket and you killed him, and you're trying to cover for it.Okay. Your opinion and a quarter still won't get you a cup of coffee. Also, see my reply to 4mask.
I've been in a game where I outed myself as an investigative type, and killed someone, and claimed that they were the person I was inspecting, to justify the lack of an explanation on who I investigated, and you seem to be doing the exact same thing, Shakerag.
Why don't you care, Shakerag? Did you get King Mafia when you didn't want it? Why did you target Toaster 2.0 of all people?1 - A silly question, and has been answered
Oh, and unvote to prevent self-hammer.This action does not make sense. If you really think I'm scum, then you would have no problems with me self-hammering.
You think people are stating things in exacts? As in, 100%?Oh, and unvote to prevent self-hammer.This action does not make sense. If you really think I'm scum, then you would have no problems with me self-hammering.
4maskwolf:...Wow. Really?Shakerag: Why you ask useless questions?As to your question, I couldn't care less at this point. I think I'm almost assuredly going to catch an NK tonight, and given that I've lived toD3D5 (and got past the first round) in spite of picking unlynchable and the mod's best efforts to screw me over, I've pretty much achieved my own personal victory. Any further survival on my part is just cake.
Sure, why not?You think people are stating things in exacts? As in, 100%?Oh, and unvote to prevent self-hammer.This action does not make sense. If you really think I'm scum, then you would have no problems with me self-hammering.
If it wasn't for rotten cake, I'd have no cake at all. I cannot possibly fathom how anyone would look at me as a model for anything, outside of what not to do -_-4maskwolf:...Wow. Really?Shakerag: Why you ask useless questions?As to your question, I couldn't care less at this point. I think I'm almost assuredly going to catch an NK tonight, and given that I've lived toD3D5 (and got past the first round) in spite of picking unlynchable and the mod's best efforts to screw me over, I've pretty much achieved my own personal victory. Any further survival on my part is just cake.
That's a rotten cake you eat. To think I looked up to you as a player-model. >_>
Now, if you people keep asking me silly questions, I will hammer myself and end this day prematurely.Don't threaten us. You should know better.
You threaten us, and then when someone responds to it, you attempt to divert attention away from yourself onto them, accusing them of wasting time.Oh, and unvote to prevent self-hammer.This action does not make sense. If you really think I'm scum, then you would have no problems with me self-hammering.
If, on the other hand, you don't think I'm scum, then you're unvoting to prevent me from self-hammering because you know your questions are silly and likely to draw my ire.
If the latter is true, why are you wasting my, your, and everyone elses' time?
I know exactly what I'm doing.Now, if you people keep asking me silly questions, I will hammer myself and end this day prematurely.Don't threaten us. You should know better.
You threaten us, and then when someone responds to it, you attempt to divert attention away from yourself onto them, accusing them of wasting time.Okay. Where are you going with this? Are you convinced I'm scum and are now going to sit on your ass for the rest of the day or what?
I find it ironic saying that his questions are silly and a waste of time, when you're holding a gun to your head threating to end all questions. Because that's totally more productive.
Yeah, I bet you are.I know exactly what I'm doing.Now, if you people keep asking me silly questions, I will hammer myself and end this day prematurely.Don't threaten us. You should know better.
Don't accuse me of "sitting on my ass" because I'm pointing out how little sense you're making.You threaten us, and then when someone responds to it, you attempt to divert attention away from yourself onto them, accusing them of wasting time.Okay. Where are you going with this? Are you convinced I'm scum and are now going to sit on your ass for the rest of the day or what?
I find it ironic saying that his questions are silly and a waste of time, when you're holding a gun to your head threating to end all questions. Because that's totally more productive.
bluh bluh bluhOkay. Are we getting into a pissing contest now, or after the game is over?
TDS, who would you have killed last night if you'd had a kill?
TheDarkStar: Did you kill Toaster? If you killed Toaster, I will smack you upside the head with a shovel.
Also, I have an idea for the reasoning behind Shakerag's actions, but I'm not sure about that quite yet. I'll probably post it later when there's more evidence.You're almost certainly wrong.
Also, I have an idea for the reasoning behind Shakerag's actions, but I'm not sure about that quite yet. I'll probably post it later when there's more evidence.You're almost certainly wrong.
I. Have. Already. Answered. This. Question.Also, I have an idea for the reasoning behind Shakerag's actions, but I'm not sure about that quite yet. I'll probably post it later when there's more evidence.You're almost certainly wrong.
What's the correct explanation then?
I. Have. Already. Answered. This. Question.Also, I have an idea for the reasoning behind Shakerag's actions, but I'm not sure about that quite yet. I'll probably post it later when there's more evidence.You're almost certainly wrong.
What's the correct explanation then?
Enough. Shakerag
Call my bluff or quit pussyfooting around.
Looks like ol' Shaky had a good point here. Care to explain yourself? If you had thought Shakerag could be scum why did you want to prevent him from self-hammering?Oh, and unvote to prevent self-hammer.This action does not make sense. If you really think I'm scum, then you would have no problems with me self-hammering.
If, on the other hand, you don't think I'm scum, then you're unvoting to prevent me from self-hammering because you know your questions are silly and likely to draw my ire.
4maskNQT: the only times I have seen a self-lynch is in the case of a townie getting fed up. I was removing my vote while calling his bluff: had I returned to the game and he had not voted himself it would he proved, in my mind, that he was a scum trying to bluff his way out of a lynch. But given that he had basically nothing to gain from a self-hammer or the threat thereof, I didn't want to have him hammer himself when the actual scum could still be out there. As they are.Looks like ol' Shaky had a good point here. Care to explain yourself? If you had thought Shakerag could be scum why did you want to prevent him from self-hammering?Oh, and unvote to prevent self-hammer.This action does not make sense. If you really think I'm scum, then you would have no problems with me self-hammering.
If, on the other hand, you don't think I'm scum, then you're unvoting to prevent me from self-hammering because you know your questions are silly and likely to draw my ire.
Also, everyone, did anyone target anyone with a block or protect or somesuch that might explain the lack of kill? The night ended early so everyone must have sent in their actions. We know that scum most likely tried to kill, but we don't know why they weren't able to. Potentially, we might be able to set up a chain of mutually confirming townies like last round.
Also, to avoid modkill: Tiruin unvoteOh, you love me don't you. 4mask, unvote
Also, everyone, did anyone target anyone with a block or protect or somesuch that might explain the lack of kill? The night ended early so everyone must have sent in their actions. We know that scum most likely tried to kill, but we don't know why they weren't able to. Potentially, we might be able to set up a chain of mutually confirming townies like last round.Not done nuthin' guv.
Tiruin: I targeted 4maskwolf, but it wasn't a block. Also, I seriously thought that Shakerag was a jester-type role who could shoot people upon death. Unvote.So you're saying that you don't know who blocked your kill, then?
Hmm.Tiruin: I targeted 4maskwolf, but it wasn't a block. Also, I seriously thought that Shakerag was a jester-type role who could shoot people upon death. Unvote.So you're saying that you don't know who blocked your kill, then?
What is everyone's thought on a massclaim at this point in time? I have a quaint feeling that scum have a dual-role (well, not using their kill).A quaint feeling? Or a faint feeling? If you have info that'll help us lynch scum then please share.
4mask, You got blocked? What were you trying to do? UnvoteI'll tell you as soon as TDS gets back in here, I think I may have a way to entrap the scum using our confirmed townie, NQT.
PFPVery funny, Tiruin. Also, as NQT said, please explain lesser stalker.Also, to avoid modkill: Tiruin unvoteOh, you love me don't you. 4mask, unvote
Also, Wolf, you said your power was no good for scum hunting and that you know you were blocked last night: what kind of actions target another player but don't give you info for scum hunting?There are quite a few of them, actually. I don't feel like listing them all right now.
So you killed Toaster when you had zero information, but kindly decided to just investigate me? Hmm. I think I'm beginning to see the possibility of another inspection chain here.Eeeyeah.
Also Tiruin, in what way is a lesser stalker different to a regular stalker?Hmm?
PFPWho confirmed Townie?4mask, You got blocked? What were you trying to do? UnvoteI'll tell you as soon as TDS gets back in here, I think I may have a way to entrap the scum using our confirmed townie, NQT.
Was your action against Wolf successful, TDS?
Tiruin: I targeted 4maskwolf, but it wasn't a block. Also, I seriously thought that Shakerag was a jester-type role who could shoot people upon death. Unvote.So you're saying that you don't know who blocked your kill, then?
DarkStar, and another thing: who did you target on the first night of this round?
Tiruin*checks notebook*
Why the interest in your lesserness? You've made a claim so naturally I want to be sure I know exactly what you are claiming so I'm not working things out with false assumptions.
*checks notebook*Uh... that wasn't an answer to my question. Let's be more specific: are you able to choose between killing and inspecting tonight?
Alright, your turn 4mask.
I guess Toony wanted to discourage the role. This could still be useful. I need to get an answer from DarkStar, and...I started the game as a Super Backup. I couldn't figure out what role to choose, so I chose one that would allow me to pick up the slack if we lost someone. Then I got saddled with eavesdropper. I mean really, what is the point of the role, it is so much worse then just picking cop since the king mafia always shows up to inspects, whereas they don't HAVE to kill in the night. As Tiruin was so kind as to show us.
Wolf, you say you were blocked and also there was no kill last night. This looks a little bit suspicious, no? Do you think you'd rather claim than die again today?
That's definitely a confirmable role. I guess Eavesdropper is also helpful if you role scum as well?NQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?
Looking forward to hearing from DarkStar.
Also, what do you think of all these revations, Cheese?
Toaster, I killed you last last night. :^[bah post]
NQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?I was going to wait until I heard from the Dark Star. But OK:
TDS
Sorry, that was ambiguous. Is it at all possible you were blocked as well? Did you recieve a message from Toony saying your action was a success?
Also, you missed this:DarkStar, and another thing: who did you target on the first night of this round?
WolfNQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?I was going to wait until I heard from the Dark Star. But OK:
I abducted Wolf last night. For those that don't want to look it up, abducting is the exact same as jailing. DarkStar's claim that his action against Wolf was a success makes no sense, as all actions against Wolf would have failed.
Can you explain this, DarkStar?
I can, actually. Toony only tells you if your action failed if you are blocked, but not if your target is blocked. I said that I assumed that it was a success since I didn't have an indication otherwise. Now, I do.
TDS
Sorry, that was ambiguous. Is it at all possible you were blocked as well? Did you recieve a message from Toony saying your action was a success?
Also, you missed this:DarkStar, and another thing: who did you target on the first night of this round?
I did not get anything about my action failing last night. Also, I targeted you night 4, but that was unsuccessful (although Toony admitted later that he wasn't actually supposed to tell me that).WolfNQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?I was going to wait until I heard from the Dark Star. But OK:
I abducted Wolf last night. For those that don't want to look it up, abducting is the exact same as jailing. DarkStar's claim that his action against Wolf was a success makes no sense, as all actions against Wolf would have failed.
Can you explain this, DarkStar?
I can, actually. Toony only tells you if your action failed if you are blocked, but not if your target is blocked. I said that I assumed that it was a success since I didn't have an indication otherwise. Now, I do.
TDS: claim your action.
?I guess Toony wanted to discourage the role. This could still be useful. I need to get an answer from DarkStar, and...I started the game as a Super Backup. I couldn't figure out what role to choose, so I chose one that would allow me to pick up the slack if we lost someone. Then I got saddled with eavesdropper. I mean really, what is the point of the role, it is so much worse then just picking cop since the king mafia always shows up to inspects, whereas they don't HAVE to kill in the night. As Tiruin was so kind as to show us.
Wolf, you say you were blocked and also there was no kill last night. This looks a little bit suspicious, no? Do you think you'd rather claim than die again today?
I mean, really? The scum claiming cop is the oldest trick in the book. Don't kill one night, say that you used an inspect, the town buys it. The fact that you decided to kill Toaster with NO JUSTIFICATION OR REASONING proves to me that you didn't care who you shot, you just wanted to shoot someone. Only scum and serial killers act in that way, and only scum are in this game, and only one of them to boot.
Also, thanks a lot for my godawful role, Tiruin.
WolfOoo, interesting.NQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?I was going to wait until I heard from the Dark Star. But OK:
I abducted Wolf last night. For those that don't want to look it up, abducting is the exact same as jailing. DarkStar's claim that his action against Wolf was a success makes no sense, as all actions against Wolf would have failed.
Can you explain this, DarkStar?
Shakerag, that's seriously creepy.
Hello L-1.TDS: claim your action.
I can do something similar to bussing.
Also, I'm voting Tiruin until she gives a good reason for her kill.
Prove it. You aren't saying anything more than what is given, compared to everyone else present.TDS: claim your action.
I can do something similar to bussing.
Also, I'm voting Tiruin until she gives a good reason for her kill.
Prove it. You aren't saying anything more than what is given, compared to everyone else present.TDS: claim your action.
I can do something similar to bussing.
Also, I'm voting Tiruin until she gives a good reason for her kill.
Only after what everyone is done saying do you say it--why?
WolfSave your point for first night this round.NQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?I was going to wait until I heard from the Dark Star. But OK:
I abducted Wolf last night. For those that don't want to look it up, abducting is the exact same as jailing. DarkStar's claim that his action against Wolf was a success makes no sense, as all actions against Wolf would have failed.
Can you explain this, DarkStar?
::)I did claim. You saddled me with eavesdropper by killing Toaster.
That you 'bussed' people :v
It gives more sense that given your sense of targeting, I can already infer who you did target compared as to who you did not target, however given the ambiguity of it all--you're only giving a smoke trail for every single one of us present (though it does match to what people claimed before)
People: Massclaim.WolfSave your point for first night this round.NQT: Why don't you claim the roleblock you used on me?I was going to wait until I heard from the Dark Star. But OK:
I abducted Wolf last night. For those that don't want to look it up, abducting is the exact same as jailing. DarkStar's claim that his action against Wolf was a success makes no sense, as all actions against Wolf would have failed.
Can you explain this, DarkStar?
stillpfpbleh
Super Backup (town; common; 4+ players): You will take on the role of the first player with a power role to die.
Eavesdropper (town, mafia, mafia-ally; uncommon; 4+ players): You may tap a player's communicaton lines, recieving duplicates of all game messages they recieve that night. Actions: eavesdrop
I guess Toony wanted to discourage the role. This could still be useful. I need to get an answer from DarkStar, and...I started the game as a Super Backup. I couldn't figure out what role to choose, so I chose one that would allow me to pick up the slack if we lost someone. Then I got saddled with eavesdropper. I mean really, what is the point of the role, it is so much worse then just picking cop since the king mafia always shows up to inspects, whereas they don't HAVE to kill in the night. As Tiruin was so kind as to show us.
Wolf, you say you were blocked and also there was no kill last night. This looks a little bit suspicious, no? Do you think you'd rather claim than die again today?
I mean, really? The scum claiming cop is the oldest trick in the book. Don't kill one night, say that you used an inspect, the town buys it. The fact that you decided to kill Toaster with NO JUSTIFICATION OR REASONING proves to me that you didn't care who you shot, you just wanted to shoot someone. Only scum and serial killers act in that way, and only scum are in this game, and only one of them to boot.
Also, thanks a lot for my godawful role, Tiruin.
Also, what do you think of all these revations, Cheese?I think they're pretty swag.
StarDarkThe: So you bus peeps? If the wolf was one target, who was the other?
TDS
Sorry, that was ambiguous. Is it at all possible you were blocked as well? Did you recieve a message from Toony saying your action was a success?
Also, you missed this:DarkStar, and another thing: who did you target on the first night of this round?
I did not get anything about my action failing last night. Also, I targeted you night 4, but that was unsuccessful (although Toony admitted later that he wasn't actually supposed to tell me that).
So...you targeted NQT & 4mask @N5.
@N6 you targeted...4mask and whonow?
Please claim in full :v
LS: You counted this, right?Yeah that seems to be missing.
Huh. So Cheese is scum but didn't choose to kill?No offense, but given that I completely lack any sort of night action, I'd kill if I could.
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I've a vague feeling that that isn't right and/or doesn't add up.
Huh. So Cheese is scum but didn't choose to kill?No offense, but given that I completely lack any sort of night action, I'd kill if I could.
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I've a vague feeling that that isn't right and/or doesn't add up.
I believe NQT on his block, so I think it's either wolf or star at this point.
Could you sum up why this is?Probably.
Could you sum up why this is?Probably.
Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
Because either you attempted to kill 4mask, and NQT prevented that, or 4mask attempted to perform a kill, and NQT prevented that.Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
*Reads your post over again*
*facepalms*
I'll ask it again: Why is it either me or 4mask?
Why are you not explaining, biscuit?Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
wolfmask4: You're saying that you got a shit role. Why did you take a role that would possibly give you a shit role, and then announce it?I assumed everyone else knew how to pick roles (sorry Toaster, not bashing you, I just don't like your role choice).
Because I want to see how long it will take before TDS tries to strangle me.Why are you not explaining, biscuit?Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
Also, Cheese: the attacks against Tiruin were on Day One, where almost nobody has information even in a night 0 game.Still looks scummy to me.
... and you're just taking Tiruin's word for her role? I mean really? The scum cop claim is a fairly old but sometimes effective trick, particularly in a game where a counterclaim is nearly impossible.Because I want to see how long it will take before TDS tries to strangle me.Why are you not explaining, biscuit?Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?Also, Cheese: the attacks against Tiruin were on Day One, where almost nobody has information even in a night 0 game.Still looks scummy to me.
... and you're just taking Tiruin's word for her role? I mean really? The scum cop claim is a fairly old but sometimes effective trick, particularly in a game where a counterclaim is nearly impossible.Are you taking my word for my role?
Because either you attempted to kill 4mask, and NQT prevented that, or 4mask attempted to perform a kill, and NQT prevented that.Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
*Reads your post over again*
*facepalms*
I'll ask it again: Why is it either me or 4mask?
But since you clearly can't get your story striahgt, it's clearly you, DarkStar
I like how your evidence consists of "he accidentally read the wrong name off a post from the previous page when paraphrasing something you said".Yeah, but the fact that I can hold you one vote away from a hammer, and 4mask comes along and doesn't take it, means more that anything you can tell me.
Yes, because you proved to have magistrate powers. But cop claims are easy in this game and kills can be performed by the King Mafia.... and you're just taking Tiruin's word for her role? I mean really? The scum cop claim is a fairly old but sometimes effective trick, particularly in a game where a counterclaim is nearly impossible.Are you taking my word for my role?
This is a somewhat valid point, but you have generally acted scummy during this turn (such as putting Tiruin at L-1 for limited reasons). Also, your role and claimed actions compared with the interlocking actions of others seems to indicate that you are the King Mafia.Because either you attempted to kill 4mask, and NQT prevented that, or 4mask attempted to perform a kill, and NQT prevented that.Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
*Reads your post over again*
*facepalms*
I'll ask it again: Why is it either me or 4mask?
But since you clearly can't get your story striahgt, it's clearly you, DarkStar
I like how your evidence consists of "he accidentally read the wrong name off a post from the previous page when paraphrasing something you said".
So cheese, perhaps I should ask you more blatantly: why do you believe Tiruin's role claim. Particularly when she is claiming a role she had last game too....You can change roles?
Last time she was alive, and answer the question.So cheese, perhaps I should ask you more blatantly: why do you believe Tiruin's role claim. Particularly when she is claiming a role she had last game too....You can change roles?
Ah, ok. I was unaware of this.Last time she was alive, and answer the question.So cheese, perhaps I should ask you more blatantly: why do you believe Tiruin's role claim. Particularly when she is claiming a role she had last game too....You can change roles?
When you die, you can choose a new role for your next incarnation.
... unless you're scum or plan on hammering, you can't do that.Ah, ok. I was unaware of this.Last time she was alive, and answer the question.So cheese, perhaps I should ask you more blatantly: why do you believe Tiruin's role claim. Particularly when she is claiming a role she had last game too....You can change roles?
When you die, you can choose a new role for your next incarnation.
But no, the reason I believe her is that it makes sense, at least from my perspective.
You get both an inspect, and a kill. Which a kill is basically just an inspect for everyone to see. It fits her perfectly.
I see no reason to not believe her. But hey, if you want us to kill her, let's do it.
... unless you're scum or plan on hammering, you can't do that.You think I wouldn't hammer?
And so why do you suspect me? Because I got hit with a roleblock?
I'm waiting on NQT to claim his night 4 action to get a full action picture.
... if you want to hammer, hammer, I guess.... unless you're scum or plan on hammering, you can't do that.You think I wouldn't hammer?
And so why do you suspect me? Because I got hit with a roleblock?
I'm waiting on NQT to claim his night 4 action to get a full action picture.
And yes, that is exactly why I suspect you.
... if you want to hammer, hammer, I guess.So it wouldn't bother you at all, to just kill her, without letting her say anything on this line of discussion?
It would be bothersome, because I believe that everyone should be given a chance to speak to the charges against them, but she is currently my number one scumpick and if what I think is right, killing her will end the game, and if I am wrong there is still and additional day to determine who the last scum is.... if you want to hammer, hammer, I guess.So it wouldn't bother you at all, to just kill her, without letting her say anything on this line of discussion?
Nothing that would be upsetting for you about this idea?
I could hammer her and then pardon her.
Make everyone happy!
It didn't cause a flip the first time, no.I could hammer her and then pardon her.
Make everyone happy!
Does that flip alignment? If not, then you're probably the only one included in "everyone".
And I think that Tiruin would also be included in that "everyone"O_o
I'd rather say that I'm a Stalker with a conscience.We've had more awkward implications before.
...
Oh goodness the implications. >_<
Well, true, given the Magistrate role, but if you're the KM, then you've the factional NK (no, it can't be used alongside role powers unless they don't coincide in the time they're used...or your role power is passive...or free)Huh. So Cheese is scum but didn't choose to kill?No offense, but given that I completely lack any sort of night action, I'd kill if I could.
...
I've a vague feeling that that isn't right and/or doesn't add up.
I believe NQT on his block, so I think it's either wolf or star at this point.
*waves hands*Why are you not explaining, biscuit?Why is it that it's either me or NQT?I didn't say it's either you or NQT, I said it's either you or 4mask.
Why are you twisting my words?
Also, if Tiruin killed night 4 and nobody else did, what the hell was the scum doing then? Does anybody have any roleblocks to claim for that night?
Frankly, Tiruin and TDS are the most likely scum to me, NQT is confirmed town because somebody claimed an inspect on him and the scum cannot hide from inspects in this game. Cheese would be extremely silly not to have used his kill both nights, but isn't off the hook.
TDS needs to get in here. That's my thoughts.I'd rather say that I'm a Stalker with a conscience.We've had more awkward implications before.
...
Oh goodness the implications. >_<
...aaaaaaanyway.
Everyone: Thoughts on situation?
...So that must mean Tiruin is a psychotic murderer, who can't tell a telescope from a sniper rifle.What it actually means is that KotM Tiruin is hallucinating. :P
Seems legit.
KING MAFIA is naturally considered a Mafia. Only roles that change how you appear will override this. Yes, that means Serial Killer (Mafia). All others are naturally Town. However, no role can hide whether or not you were KING MAFIA - eg a KING MAFIA Ninja would flip "townie (town) and KING MAFIA".He could naturally be a Godfather at the moment, and not appear as KM.
I think I read it--he'd only FLIP KM when the KM dies/is lynched/is unable to achieve wincon and loses.No, a ninja would flip mafia ninja on death. At least that's how I think it works. Mod?QuoteKING MAFIA is naturally considered a Mafia. Only roles that change how you appear will override this. Yes, that means Serial Killer (Mafia). All others are naturally Town. However, no role can hide whether or not you were KING MAFIA - eg a KING MAFIA Ninja would flip "townie (town) and KING MAFIA".He could naturally be a Godfather at the moment, and not appear as KM.
I think it specifically is.
See the term: "Flip"
compared to what is seen in that whole quote/OP post.
Mastahcheese stands alone.
I didn't even realize that's a Magic card (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=9773).Mastahcheese stands alone.I see what you did there.
I nominate IG 2.0I need a role!
Everyone:Well, now we don't have a death to debate.
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Toaster, I killed you last last night. :^
...That was mainly because of your first first post in a whole different round. No big reason. >_>
Vote
Unvote
Everyone:
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Couple pre-game things I wanted to address first:Yessir! :<Toaster, I killed you last last night. :^
...That was mainly because of your first first post in a whole different round. No big reason. >_>
Pfffffffffffffffffbt *blows giant raspberry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry)*
Second, if you do this:O_o?QuoteVote
Unvote
You're effectively saying that you have no suspects and don't want to make a stand. This is pansy play. Either really vote, or genuinely have no suspects (IE you are scum.)
Hey guys.Oh you played well :I
Damn, so close...
Okay, anyway, Day start this time.
Everyone:
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
4maskMeh. TDS was gonna be lynched anyway with me following as a night target, there was no way I could get Tiruin lynched at that point. NQT was completely in the clear, or almost so, and Cheese wasn't suspected (and for good reason). NQT was gonna die from my goo ability, so I just went for a blitz and the RNG killed me.Hey guys.Oh you played well :I
Damn, so close...
Okay, anyway, Day start this time.
Everyone:
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Though your follow-up? Not so well.
Toxic goo blehhhhEHHHHHHH! :I
Now this day start? It's like Round ONE all over again wherein OH HELLO EVERYONE.
Only that we totes know Cheese's role, because yeah. He's survived for...3 whole darn rounds, but that's only a factor in considering the lynch AND only that it differs from KM that one can easily inspect him then BOOM. Instant confirmation~
Though the former relies on discernment instead of exact values (such as inspects) and such, I guess the [this?] day start changes the strategy that, oh hey, Cheese is a wildcard!
Though 'tis all back to square one from here, wolfy.
How did you feel about last round? What about this round? Why ask a general question?
Mastahcheese: How do you think your longevity will affect your gameplay? What about how people will approach you?Well, it's interesting in that I'm confirmed to not have a night power, which is pretty nice, I suppose, for when people start trying to calculate where a kill is coming from. As for my gameplay, I don't really know. I guess I'm just trying to play the way I normally do.
Cheese: I'm curious if you know the whole predicament you're in. How do you feel about your standing after a whole 3 rounds of logical infighting and speculation? Being forced to choose between two targets in two rounds at the clincher phase, and all other that stuff?I'm feeling pretty confident, honestly. I really expected to get killed at some point, seeing as how my whole role is keeping people from dying, which I can't even use on myself. As for the choices I've made, so far I haven't majorly messed up, so I'm happy, and having fun!
How do you feel about all that?
Tiruin 3.0: Hey! So you know my ability, and I've even saved you with it. How do you feel about knowing there is a Magistrate around?Like I said, wildcard. You are both boon and bane. You can act at night if the KM, and save at day. If town, you are a plausible manipulate-target for a lynch save.
Mastahcheese: How do you think your longevity will affect your gameplay? What about how people will approach you?Well, it's interesting in that I'm confirmed to not have a night power, which is pretty nice, I suppose, for when people start trying to calculate where a kill is coming from. As for my gameplay, I don't really know. I guess I'm just trying to play the way I normally do.I'm feeling pretty confident, honestly. I really expected to get killed at some point, seeing as how my whole role is keeping people from dying, which I can't even use on myself. As for the choices I've made, so far I haven't majorly messed up, so I'm happy, and having fun!>_>
Overall, this is one of the most fun games I've played.
<_<
I'll be honest, this made me smile. Thanks.
I mean seriously, comparing the notion of possibility on choosing kills? I doubt the KM would pick the Magistrate over the plausible other peoples out there who could be dire threats, if you aren't the KM, and stuff along that tangent of non-aggressive role.Yeah, I'm willing to bet that's why I haven't died, yet.
>_>:D
<_<
I'll be honest, this made me smile. Thanks.
Everyone:This will actually make it harder to find scum today as there's more people to pick from and no night information gained.
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Hai! :))Hallo.
What irks you more in seeing someone as scum in a game? Their meta, playstyle, vote pattern or their wording//essence of their post?Nothing irks me, as I'm above petty annoyances. But in general voting pattern and power claims help me rule players out as scum most often. Sheep was ruled out as scum by logic and clever power role use. I abducted Wolf last round based on how he was voting (and, crucially, his stated reason for voting). But you know all this because we have this conversation in every game we play together (which is quite a lot of games by now).
NQT: How would you treat a person that picked a scum-friendly role?If there was no other information to go, they'd be a reasonable candidate for lynching. Do you disagree?
Notquitethere 3.0: So when you choose to abduct 4mask last round, were you doing so with the intent of blocking scum, or protecting him? Why?I abducted him because the way he unvoted Shakerag screamed potential scum to me at the time. I should have stuck to that instinct.
TWS: Welcome back!Thanks!
Now that you've gotten your first experience of a KotM, could I get your feeling of it, or your reaction on how it goes?
Have you picked another pro-scum role again?Haven't you learned your lesson about rolefishing? :P
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I'm guess you didn't pick Stalker again?
Do you think we should lynch everyday?I'd say lynching strategy is pretty much the same as any other game - do it unless certain circumstances come up: Mylo, role shenanigans, game-breaking strategies, etc.
TheWetSheep 2.0: So who do you plan on killing tonight?Nobody, since I can't kill. What kind of question is this?
Everyone:Massclaim D1 is a worse idea, since we don't have any information yet. Also, assuming normal 1 kill per night, it means we won't be put into Mylo, which is nice.
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Second, if you do this:O_o?QuoteVote
Unvote
You're effectively saying that you have no suspects and don't want to make a stand. This is pansy play. Either really vote, or genuinely have no suspects (IE you are scum.)
Mmm, effective in that viewpoint, yeah I guess.
But that would also signify a mind that is focused more on what exists than what is assumed to exist--not pansy play in my eyes, but a play or take on speculative and empirical evidence.
As in, you'd know in exact when I lay down my vote (if there's no unvote in the same post) and where the level of suspicion rises in that matter.
That's how I'd work it in other games, to note. Just that there's a You must vote everyday or :I rule in.
Though it would correlate with the RVS, for good measure--the point in this case differs due to...err, many factors :/
Good point though, Toaster: How do you consider a person's vote placement as a tell?
...Why is it pre-game?
I asked a general question because I don't have anything to go on. I'm not a day one person, you could say. I come into my own on the subsequent days, particularly in role heavy games.
Toaster 3.0: This puts you at two votes away from a hammer. How do you feel about this?
ToasterNQT: How would you treat a person that picked a scum-friendly role?If there was no other information to go, they'd be a reasonable candidate for lynching. Do you disagree?
Everyone: Please target me with actions tonight.
CheeseBecause I've been ok with the lynch choices that have gone on since then.Notquitethere 3.0: So when you choose to abduct 4mask last round, were you doing so with the intent of blocking scum, or protecting him? Why?I abducted him because the way he unvoted Shakerag screamed potential scum to me at the time. I should have stuck to that instinct.
Why haven't you pardoned anyone since the first round? (or did I miss something?)
Everyone: Please target me with actions tonight.NO YOU
Mastahcheese:A question to be answered, obviously.TheWetSheep 2.0: So who do you plan on killing tonight?Nobody, since I can't kill. What kind of question is this?
You seem pretty invested in this game - invested enough to bother to write out everybody's full title and version. Why?No, I copy-and-pasted from the list of people who rejoined the game.
Mastahcheese:SOUNDS LIKE A SCUM THING TO SAYToaster 3.0: This puts you at two votes away from a hammer. How do you feel about this?
Unconcerned.
Posting later, but cheese for nowI'd love to hear your reasoning for this.
I'm sure you would. Unvote.Posting later, but cheese for nowI'd love to hear your reasoning for this.
4maskwolf 3.0: You frelling scumbucket, you. But anyway, what's your plan for this round?Language, scumbiscuit.
WolfRolefishing, now are you? No answers for you. You should know better than that.Everyone:This will actually make it harder to find scum today as there's more people to pick from and no night information gained.
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Have you picked another pro-scum role again?
Everyone: Please target me with actions tonight.No. You are probably a radiant or something equally silly. No targeting for you.
4mask:Nope. Are you saying I play badly on day 1?Everyone:Massclaim D1 is a worse idea, since we don't have any information yet. Also, assuming normal 1 kill per night, it means we won't be put into Mylo, which is nice.
How will the day start change the strategy of the game?
Do you think that "not being a day 1 person" gives you an excuse to play badly on day 1?
4mask:Dunno. I guess we'll have to see.I asked a general question because I don't have anything to go on. I'm not a day one person, you could say. I come into my own on the subsequent days, particularly in role heavy games.
How does this affect your play in a game that is unlikely to go beyond three days? (In a round, at least)
My plan is to kick ass and chew bubblegum.4maskwolf 3.0: You frelling scumbucket, you. But anyway, what's your plan for this round?Language, scumbiscuit.
My plan is to play the game and get the scum killed by any means necessary.
And yours?
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Master Cheese Maker: Do you consider it an advantage or a disadvantage to have a role with known and limited powers?
Sheep: my 'role fishing' won the game for town the round before last; your vote on me makes no sense.I wouldn't say it won the game, and just because it worked once doesn't mean it isn't scummy. But unvote anyway.
You seem pretty jumpy about a random vote in random vote stage.Posting later, but cheese for nowI'd love to hear your reasoning for this.
What kind of scum role do you have, biscuit?
How do you draw that from what I posted? And from how I answered NQT's question?Mastahcheese:A question to be answered, obviously.TheWetSheep 2.0: So who do you plan on killing tonight?Nobody, since I can't kill. What kind of question is this?
So you don't plan on lynching, either?
Yes. That's what RVS is for.You seem pretty invested in this game - invested enough to bother to write out everybody's full title and version. Why?No, I copy-and-pasted from the list of people who rejoined the game.
If anything, it was lazy.
Why are you looking into this so hard? Trying to find something to incriminate me with?
Nope. Are you saying I play badly on day 1?No, but you are:
I asked a general question because I don't have anything to go on. I'm not a day one person, you could say. I come into my own on the subsequent days, particularly in role heavy games.
Sheep:No. How does that in any way make sense?Everyone: Please target me with actions tonight.
PGO?
I have nothing to fear, for I am fear itself.My plan is to kick ass and chew bubblegum.4maskwolf 3.0: You frelling scumbucket, you. But anyway, what's your plan for this round?Language, scumbiscuit.
My plan is to play the game and get the scum killed by any means necessary.
And yours?
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Master Cheese Maker: Do you consider it an advantage or a disadvantage to have a role with known and limited powers?
I suppose that lynching the scum would accomplish this goal.
I think that having my role known is a good thing, because it gives people one less thing to be paranoid over, so they can focus on finding the scum that would murder us in the facial region.
Also, you unvoted me when I provided the slightest bit of pressure.
A pressure so slight, it's equivalent to a mouse squeaking.
What have you got to fear, other than fear itself, wolf?
lots of questions and answersYou missed my question.
I think we can break this game.Can anyone confirm that you have this power before we all throw things at you?
I am a Network Robot. Any action that hits me will be given to every other player.
Why are you bringing NQT into this, when I never mentioned him? Why are you trying to back up your statement by pulling from irrelevant sources?QuoteHow do you draw that from what I posted? And from how I answered NQT's question?Mastahcheese:A question to be answered, obviously.TheWetSheep 2.0: So who do you plan on killing tonight?Nobody, since I can't kill. What kind of question is this?
So you don't plan on lynching, either?
MastahCheese:Who says it's random?You seem pretty jumpy about a random vote in random vote stage.Posting later, but cheese for nowI'd love to hear your reasoning for this.
And you're rolefishing too.You come out and say "EVERYONE TARGET ME" with no explanation, and you expect people to not question this?What kind of scum role do you have, biscuit?
*relevant point is the stuff about randomness*Did I not explain why I did it. I did.
Why are you bringing NQT into this, when I never mentioned him? Why are you trying to back up your statement by pulling from irrelevant sources?QuoteHow do you draw that from what I posted? And from how I answered NQT's question?Mastahcheese:A question to be answered, obviously.TheWetSheep 2.0: So who do you plan on killing tonight?Nobody, since I can't kill. What kind of question is this?
So you don't plan on lynching, either?
It's not irrelevant, I'm saying that I said something that directly contradicted what you were asking me about. And you didn't answer my question.QuoteDo you think we should lynch everyday?I'd say lynching strategy is pretty much the same as any other game - do it unless certain circumstances come up: Mylo, role shenanigans, game-breaking strategies, etc.
He didn't say "reasoning will follow", and you know about the antilurk policy that forces people to do just that. And it's in random vote stage.MastahCheese:Who says it's random?You seem pretty jumpy about a random vote in random vote stage.Posting later, but cheese for nowI'd love to hear your reasoning for this.
OK. You're right, it's not a good reason to vote you, but it wasn't my main point.And you're rolefishing too.You come out and say "EVERYONE TARGET ME" with no explanation, and you expect people to not question this?What kind of scum role do you have, biscuit?
That has to be the laziest way to try to set someone up I've ever seen, if that's what you're doing.
You mean where you ask if I wanted to claim anything? I thought I answered that by claiming something.lots of questions and answersYou missed my question.
While I'm not entirely surprised, I'm still not targeting you. The last thing we need is to give the scum more power.Fair enough if your ability only helps Mafia and not Town. But remember the Mafia can only take one action per night, so most abilities would be better off in the hands of all townies and the mafia than only one townie.
Low time, but I will say two things:PFP
1) I got the ability
2) Giving everyone day pardon is a hilariously stupid idea.
LOLZ EVERYONE HAVING A DAYKILL WOULD BE AWESOME IN ALL THE WORST WAYS.Low time, but I will say two things:PFP
1) I got the ability
2) Giving everyone day pardon is a hilariously stupid idea.
How is it stupid? o_O
We have 1 foe. The only problem is if people just go WOOOOPARDONFREELY
Which is not a good idea. Which means Town is doing it if they hit scum with it.
...Which would lead to a very nice combination on how people will plea under the lynch--which really helps in scumhunting.
I got the ability too.
...
Seeing the activity rate, I'm real glad nobody has a daykill :^ [speculation]
(I mean, really. Town > Daykill TWS > Everyone dies if/unless KM has Nexus [and even then] and if KM > Daykill...)
Toaster- You didn't really get what I was trying toconvey. In the absense of any other reason, getting rid of the most pro-scum player is sensible. Do you think this belief makes me more likely to be the King?
ToastyMastahcheese:SOUNDS LIKE A SCUM THING TO SAYToaster 3.0: This puts you at two votes away from a hammer. How do you feel about this?
Unconcerned.
WHY AREN'T YOU BOTHERING TO ASK ME ANYTHING BACK?
DO YOU EVEN HUNT, BRO?
I'm sure you would. Unvote.Posting later, but cheese for nowI'd love to hear your reasoning for this.
That was my way of avoiding a modkill and challenging Toaster at the same time.
Toaster:Sheep:No. How does that in any way make sense?Everyone: Please target me with actions tonight.
PGO?
How is it stupid? o_O
We have 1 foe. The only problem is if people just go WOOOOPARDONFREELY
Which is not a good idea. Which means Town is doing it if they hit scum with it.
...Which would lead to a very nice combination on how people will plea under the lynch--which really helps in scumhunting.
Ottofar: How much of a factor is the play of the same person in a prior round in scumhunting this round?
Ottofar: Oh heya! You're back!
How're you going to treat your other players here? Are you going to lie back and be passive or are you going to approach this start aggressively or assertively?
Ottofar 2.0: You're scum, again, aren't you? What are your thoughts on the last round?
You can't bait me.
I killed TheWetSheep, in that I sent in the action and immediately reconsidered. It was too late. But yeah.YOU MOTHER FUCKER.
Huh, ok. I thought it was Tiruin. Her early speculation on the possibility of there being a day killer made me think she might in fact be the day killer. I decided to kill her while I was still able to.You... you... you...
Everyone else, are you going to use your day kill today or not?
Ottofar, what made you reconsider? Why did you decide to kill Sheep in the first place?
Ottofar, what made you reconsider? Why did you decide to kill Sheep in the first place?
Seeing the activity rate, I'm real glad nobody has a daykill :^ [speculation]
(I mean, really. Town > Daykill TWS > Everyone dies if/unless KM has Nexus [and even then] and if KM > Daykill...)
I'm not touching that. :I
Notquitethere 3.0: So when you choose to abduct 4mask last round, were you doing so with the intent of blocking scum, or protecting him? Why?I abducted him because the way he unvoted Shakerag screamed potential scum to me at the time. I should have stuck to that instinct.
I sent the action because I couldn't resist seeing what happens. I reconsidered because now all the survivors of this round have a daykill, and any one of them could be the next king.Uh huh. And who do you think is actually King Mafia this round?
Another shot cries out! (http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=IDma4A6A3Bc)Oh god this game isn't going to last long is it?
Ottofar has been killed!
He was a Daykiller (Town).
Vote count has been reset. Day 7 deadline is still the same, April 29th at 9 PM EST.
With 4 players alive it takes 3 votes to hammer.
Damn damn damn damn damn.Why didn't I shoot you?
Wolf that was you right? Why didn't you shoot me??!
Vote gets reset every time there's a day kill.Thanks for the info, NQT
Why didn't you claim with your post, instead of passively commenting in the ongoings, Wolf?You already voted me, bud.
Toaster, Cheese, we're on a damn knife's edge here. Only one player has a day action left: Toaster. If another town player is day-killed, then we're LYLO.
I'm not a double voter, as you can now see.Do you really think I'm scum? What's your case?
It was only obvious because Cheese and Toaster were offline. It's funny that you think it didn't need an explanation, yet you were the first to ask me for further explanation after I claimed the kill on Tiruin.
Do you really think I'm scum? What's your case?
I want to hear from Cheese and Toaster before I make any final decisions. Just had a thought. Should have realised this sooner. If you were mafia, you'd more likely kill someone who still had their day kill and could conceivable kill you today. That means it's most likely Cheese or Toasty.I had thought of that, I just didn't think it was a particularly strong argument. Regardless, unvote, I would like to hear from the remaining two people.
I've explained why I daykilled Tiruin. You can disagree whether it was ultimately a good idea or not, but hopefully you can see that it wasn't completely unmotivated.
Are you going to daykill me if I put a vote on you, Toaster?
I get back to this? Bah.You and me both, bud, you and me both.
I'm going to be really annoyed if mafia wins this round.
This is going to be a short round.
Are you going to daykill me if I put a vote on you, Toaster?
My suspects were you and Ottofar for being trigger happy, so I killed my primary suspect and have a vote on my secondary suspect. Works for everybody.
Anyway, Cheese, why did you give us all pardons?
You can't bait me.
Toaster [L-1], why did you feel you needed to say this?
(http://i.imgur.com/Vc5RgTy.gif)*grabs popcorn*
Anyway, Cheese, why did you give us all pardons?TO CONFIRM THAT HE WAS A FUCKING ROBOT, GOD DAMN IT WE WENT OVER THIS SHIT
(http://i.imgur.com/Vc5RgTy.gif)/popcorn
Multiple daykills are too much fun. How can i join?
Just got online.Because I have a foolproof plan for town victory. You find me any holes, I'll fix them.
Just read your story.
Give me one reason, a good reason, why I should believe a thing you said. Not your convoluted crap.
I'm ready to kill you, because I'm almost positive that you're the scum.
Because I have a foolproof plan for town victory. You find me any holes, I'll fix them.Fix any holes?
My bad, hammer for players is 2 votes.DARN YOU
Toaster: I need you to shoot cheese with your daykill. Nothing personal, Cheese, but this is for town victory assurance.This is by far the most terrible town victory plan I have ever seen
This is why we can't have nice things.Fuck you cheese.
Ah, but it was a guaranteed scum trap.Toaster: I need you to shoot cheese with your daykill. Nothing personal, Cheese, but this is for town victory assurance.This is by far the most terrible town victory plan I have ever seen
Toaster: I need you to shoot cheese with your daykill. Nothing personal, Cheese, but this is for town victory assurance.This is by far the most terrible town victory plan I have ever seen
IF TOASTER IS MAFIA THEN HE ISN'T GOING TO FOLLOW YOUR PLAN IS HE
Congratulations town in shooting everybody but the King Mafia.Guess what?
To be fair NQT's night seven plan was equally bad. It basically amounted to "have 4maskwolf die if he's not mafia". It's essentially a miracle that Toaster (or any other hypothetical KM) decided not to kill in spite of that plan.I was banking on him not remembering the no-lynch rules.
Basically 4mask's best ability was redirect (since it can make the mafia kill themselves and doesn't hurt townies), any day 7 plan should have involved trying to scare the mafia into not killing with it. Or just having Toaster shoot someone and then lynching, since otherwise there'd be a risk of going into a 3-man lylo with a daykilling mafia.
Then it becomes an almost literal WIFOM game of who shoots versus redirecting.Yeah, but I never revealed it to specifically AVOID being killed.
I was banking on him not remembering the no-lynch rules.Even though ToonyMan posted a reminder on the previous day? I mean I guess that had a very tiny chance of working but it could be broken by Toaster remembering at any point.
I was the last person to die.You saved the first round, dude. Then IG came in and swiped the suspect list. :D
I didn't die a single time until the end.
And I never even got a shot at being the King.
...But I got to save Tiru, so I'm happy as a clam.
Other things that baffle me about round 4:...Seriously 'justified'?
- The kills on both Tiruin and Ottofar. The one on Tiruin was supposed to be due to the fact that she might be the daykiller, and the one on Ottofar was because he was the daykiller. Why is that a scumtell? Why would a KM with a huge advantage (being able to decide 2/3rds of the kills per cycle) want to throw that away entirely, except as a really bizarre act of WIFOM? I also don't see why the Ottofar kill had to be made so hastily, he had already fired his shot.
Other things that baffle me about round 4:I went along with the plan because I couldn't reverse it. There was no way to make people think NQT was scum. I damn nearly took NQT's head off in the night, but then decided to try and see if the scum would play along and try a Toaster kill.
- The kills on both Tiruin and Ottofar. The one on Tiruin was supposed to be due to the fact that she might be the daykiller, and the one on Ottofar was because he was the daykiller. Why is that a scumtell? Why would a KM with a huge advantage (being able to decide 2/3rds of the kills per cycle) want to throw that away entirely, except as a really bizarre act of WIFOM? I also don't see why the Ottofar kill had to be made so hastily, he had already fired his shot.
- Why did 4mask go along with a plan that basically only worked if he was scum, and which was proposed by someone who he thought was scum? A plan that would almost certainly result in his death? And what's more, a plan that would expose his lie to someone else who he thought was town and put him into a 1v1 with another townie if he didn't die?
- Why did no-one even discuss the possibility of using redirect?
- Why did NQT want to no lynch even though he was clearly aware of the dangers of 3-man situations with scum daykillers? What did he think a no lynch would accomplish, particularly on day 8?
I don't think I'd be able to see 4mask as town either.What, exactly, did I do that was scummy?
Why on earth would the scum kill Toaster?If my guard was sent in, they would kill me. If not, they would kill Toaster and have a perfect scapegoat of me to quickhammer the next day.
Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?A fat lot of good that will do us.
Please? I'll pardon you all.
Honestly? I forgot Ghoul had a kill. In my head, with four players starting with a daykill, one misfire and I won. I expected the chances of that happening to be better with four players instead of three; a gamble that still paid off.Normal ghoul doesn't, MY version did. The version I didn't tell you I had.
I think taking the unexpected route got people acting rather than thinking, which is what I wanted.
Also, if we had no-lynched again, I would have just shot Wolf N4.
It just goes to show that giving everyone a daykill is a hilariously terrible idea.
Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?...I love this. :P
Please? I'll pardon you all.
It just goes to show that giving everyone a daykill is a hilariously terrible idea.Nah, no it isn't. It's an incentive!
You're just bitter because I shot you in the face.Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?A fat lot of good that will do us.
Please? I'll pardon you all.
See? Tiru liked it!Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?...I love this. :P
Please? I'll pardon you all.
nah, I had a plan. A plan that involved eliminating my top scum list one by one. And cheese was at the bottom of it.Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?...I love this. :P
Please? I'll pardon you all.
All hail the Toaster King! May be not burn us in his...sockets!
PPEIt just goes to show that giving everyone a daykill is a hilariously terrible idea.Nah, no it isn't. It's an incentive!
What makes it a hilariously terrible idea is what you do with your daykill.
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I seriously didn't see any kind of routine scumhunting when the daykills rolled out.
Did people get tired and wanted it to end? o_O
I've been thinking that if people enjoy this game mode enough, we should have an unofficial version during the "off-season", which would run endlessly.
That is, once the thread starts it would run over and over as players try to get as many King Mafia wins as possible. It would be fun to have a high score list in the OP or something.
And! It would be good practice for when next year's KotM actually happens, whenever Toaster plans on hosting, that is.
not bitter, just plotting my revenge :PYou're just bitter because I shot you in the face.Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?A fat lot of good that will do us.
Please? I'll pardon you all.See? Tiru liked it!Can we please not let this all dissolve into arguments of blame and justification?...I love this. :P
Please? I'll pardon you all.
I've been thinking that if people enjoy this game mode enough, we should have an unofficial version during the "off-season", which would run endlessly.I'm fully up for this >:D
That is, once the thread starts it would run over and over as players try to get as many King Mafia wins as possible. It would be fun to have a high score list in the OP or something.
And! It would be good practice for when next year's KotM actually happens, whenever Toaster plans on hosting, that is.
YES.
PLEASE do off-season games.
IT'S OFFICIAL, SOMEONE SHOULD RUN THIS!!!!!I've been thinking that if people enjoy this game mode enough, we should have an unofficial version during the "off-season", which would run endlessly.I'm fully up for this >:D
That is, once the thread starts it would run over and over as players try to get as many King Mafia wins as possible. It would be fun to have a high score list in the OP or something.
And! It would be good practice for when next year's KotM actually happens, whenever Toaster plans on hosting, that is.
I mean, I've found the fun of holding a kill in your hands, but makeinu's chastizing on how to use kills has really wised me up. :D
not bitter, just plotting my revenge :POh, I know.
I don't actually hold it against you, though.
lolznot bitter, just plotting my revenge :POh, I know.
I don't actually hold it against you, though.
I just expect that in the next game, I'll get to say precisely one thing, and then I'll get day killed with you saying "THAT'S WHAT YOU GET SON"
What, exactly, did I do that was scummy?- Hastily killing Ottofar for basically no reason, even though you had an actual suspect in the form of NQT
If my guard was sent in, they would kill me. If not, they would kill Toaster and have a perfect scapegoat of me to quickhammer the next day.Bodyguards kill the killer in xylbot.
Ah, but I claimed the weak guard. Not normal. Please do a fact check before you say things.What, exactly, did I do that was scummy?- Hastily killing Ottofar for basically no reason, even though you had an actual suspect in the form of NQT
- Agreeing to follow the plan of someone you apparently thought was scum
- Lying about your role
- Quick-killing again at the start of day 8, and coming up with a completely incorrect plan to justify it. Also you had two previous chances to make the same shot but didn't for some reason
I would say that mastahcheese had no reason to rush the kill on you so much, though. You'd already used your shot so you weren't a threat.If my guard was sent in, they would kill me. If not, they would kill Toaster and have a perfect scapegoat of me to quickhammer the next day.Bodyguards kill the killer in xylbot.
The rules would be the same, except that when a King Mafia wins that player would stay, 6 new players would get added, and a new King Mafia would be chosen. That way the player who won could potentially get a "hot streak" if they're lucky and they shouldn't be pushed out of the game for doing well either. This also means the King Mafia's role would not be explicitly revealed if they won.I'll start it, I guess. If I get tired of it, I'll request a new mod and wait until everyone with a known (to me) role is dead before joining.
I'm unsure how hosting would work. I was thinking it would be cool if multiple people could host and keep the game running whenever, but that could cause issues if say a player hosts a game previously, and then enters a later round with information that's still relevant (like somebody's role) to get an edge. There would have to be a bit of regulation there.
You could also just have the OP run every single round but that could get tiresome after a few months and dozens of rounds.
Well I would hold on a bit. It hasn't even been an hour since this game ended.Meh, I'll put it out there and see what bites, it may not start for a couple days though.
Oh, and who said Eavesdropper was a bad role? It's basically an action cop that can also potentially pick up odd happenings in the night (blocks, ability gains, some automatic abilities, etc)I said it was a bad role during standard bullshit as mafia. I was whining about a role I didn't possess.
I guess that would work on a strange KM who thought you were capable of lying about your action but not capable of lying about your role? Whatever.Hey, my bullshit as scum is somewhat solid. As town, less so.
Eavesdropper is pretty good yeah, 4mask had to try and pretend it was a role that wasn't good for scumhunting in order to not die (surprised he got away with that)
Erm... sorry to necro this thread, but could ToonyMan explain what this is?It isn't necessarily ToonyMan that posted that. Anyone could have posted that?
http://pastebin.com/3Jn2askQ (http://pastebin.com/3Jn2askQ)
I found it when searching my username in google.
Edit: I know what it means, I'm just wondering why he put it out on the internet where people could find it.
It was done on April 20 though. So either ToonyMan or any spectator who knew the roles perhaps?Erm... sorry to necro this thread, but could ToonyMan explain what this is?It isn't necessarily ToonyMan that posted that. Anyone could have posted that?
http://pastebin.com/3Jn2askQ (http://pastebin.com/3Jn2askQ)
I found it when searching my username in google.
Edit: I know what it means, I'm just wondering why he put it out on the internet where people could find it.
Erm... sorry to necro this thread, but could someone explain what this is?Oh, I uploaded that for people who wanted spoil-spectate. This looks like the role list for Round 3. I also had ones for the other rounds when they started. I didn't think people could search for it without a title or anything. I guess it's okay since nobody noticed until now. I could have sworn I selected unlisted, I guess it doesn't matter for Google?
http://pastebin.com/3Jn2askQ (http://pastebin.com/3Jn2askQ)
I found it when searching my username in google.
Edit: I know what it means, I'm just wondering why (insert person here) put it out on the internet where people could find it.