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Title: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on April 25, 2014, 02:13:32 pm

Setting up a noob friendly match. The goal is to get the players some good experience, but prevent them from being overwhelmed by more badass players.

GAME NAME: Noobtime
MAP: R.Gen Mk3
ERA: LA
Thrones: Yes
Disciples: No
Time Allowance: TBD (48h w/ 24h at the start?)
HOF: Default
Magic sites: Default
Renaming
Limited artifact forging
Score graphs: Off

PLAYERS:
Moghopper- Marignon

Empty- Patala

Biowraith- Agartha

Mindmaker- Jomon

USEC_OFFICER- Midgard (needs a sub)

Antur- Ulm

Gimhalos- Tien Chi

tompliss- Caelum

Puzzlemaker- Bogarus

Spoiler: Previous rounds (click to show/hide)

 Dom3:
1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=44348.msg849721#msg849721), 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=46012.msg908706#msg908706), 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60235.msg1357467#msg1357467), 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63361.0), 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=65222.0), 6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=72919.msg1797235#msg1797235), 7&7.5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103575.0), 8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=112126.0), 9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=115427.0), 10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=118516.0), 11 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=120941.0), 12 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124958.0), 13 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125655.0), 14 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125670.0), 15 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128797.0)
Dom4:
401 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=133320.msg4768287), 402 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134792.0), 403 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137585.0)

Spoiler: Standard info on Dominions 4 for the uninitiated (click to show/hide)

Dominions 4 is an indy turn-based fantasy war game of epic proportions. Dominions: Priests, Prophets and Pretenders was released in 2002, followed by Dominions II: The Ascension Wars, and Dominions 3: The Awakening in 2006. Gameplay has not fundamentally changed since the first entry, but each new version has noticeably refined the GUI, added greater depth and complexity, markedly improved the game's modability, and generally made the gaming experience significantly better.

The player assumes the role of a pretender god, rising from slumber to take up the recently vacated throne of the Pantokrator (or All-Ruler). This invariably involves climbing there over the dead bodies of other wannabe gods and their countless followers.

The nations of the world each support one of the pretenders as their One and True God that shall no doubt lead them to glory everlasting. They are highly varied and defy the typical fantasy cliches. Instead they had been designed after some of the many myths and fables from the history of mankind. Shambling Atlanteans, undead legions of Ermor, frozen giants of Niefelheim, bloodthirsty demons of Lanka, steelclad armies of Ulm, Sauromatian amazons and their hydras, flying hosts of Caelum - over 60 nations to choose from.

The beings claiming the godly mantle are diverse themselves. Crooked crones and divine giants, sages and mages, liches and vampires, dragons and krakens. Apart from the physical form, the players can design their gods' magical powers, the blessings that they can bestow upon the chosen few, and the qualities that believing in them inspires in the common folk. Would you have your god bring good fortune and bountiful crops to the faithful, but be magically weak? Or would you rather make your god into a killing machine able to take on armies, but inspiring little awe? The pretender design system is excellent, and together with the multitude of nation choices is able to accommodate a wide range of strategies.

The game sports a very robust magic system, with literally hundreds of spells, ranging from in-battle lightning bolts to world altering doom bringers. Only in Dominions can you flaunt your divine destiny by hanging a second sun in the sky, draping the world in perpetual storms, or sending devils to incite enemy soldiers against their commanders.

Every unit in the sometimes hundreds-strong armies has got individual, and evolving stats, including age, battle wounds and experience. They can starve and fall victim to disease. They can be cursed and hunted by trans-dimensional horrors. Lots of things can happen to each individual unit, most of them unpleasant.

From the strategic map, commanders, mages, heroes, priests, magical beasts and pretender gods can be equipped with magical items and sent to do battle in person, assassinate or seduce enemy commanders, spy and instigate unrest, enchant armies in battle or wreak havoc among enemy ranks. Or, they can be kept at home and work on improving magical knowledge, build fortifications, summon magic beings, raise undead, forge items imbued with arcane forces, scour provinces in the search of blood slaves, preach god's glory, patrol provinces for troublemakers, search for magic sites hidden in the wild, and more.

The turns happen simultaneously, so the battles are resolved automatically, according to the preselected orders for troop formations and commanders. Here's a youtube video of a large-ish battle to pique your interest. Courtesy of Lorak.

Should you desire to know more about the game, go and visit the website (http://www.illwinter.com/dom4/index.html) (or go to the publisher's page here (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions)). You'll notice that the price tag is not pintsized (though it's much lower than Dominions 3 was), but as many of us can attest, the game is well worth it.

Spoiler: How does PBEM work? (click to show/hide)

• First of all, you need to download any non-standard map and mod we're using (links will be provided if we decide to use one), and put the files into the map and mod folders of your dom4 installation respectively.
• Then go to the options menu and enable the mod.
• Next use the pretender creation tool in the game tools menu to create a pretender and send the file(to be found in your /dominions4/savedgames/newlords; named <your_nation_era_number.2h>, where number is most likely "0" if it's the only pretender you've created so far for this nation.) to "pretenders [at ] llamaserver [dot ] net" with the game name as the subject.
  Game name will most likely be "Bay12GamesRound401".

You'll be receiving .trn files from llama server, which you should put into a {dom4dir}/savedgames/{whatevernameyouwant}/
After finishing your moves, a new .2h file will appear in that folder, which you should send to the same address from which you've received your .trn file.

Regarding the rules of conduct:

• No exploits please. Examples of exploits are siegeing a fort infinitely with a string of scouts; sending other players crap items to fill their magic item pool and make them waste gems; anything else you can think of that doesn't feel like it was meant to be a feature. If not sure, ask.
• Trade agreements are sacred. Once you decided to exchange some gems/items/gold, you MUST fulfill your side of the agreement.
• No constrains on diplomacy. You can attack anyone you want, with or without warning. It would be, however, in good taste not to rush another player at the very begining of the game. We're all trying to have a good time playing this.
• Use forum PMs for diplomacy. The in-game messaging system is seriously flawed(unacceptably slow, and parts of messages tend to dissapear)
• If you want to boast/moan about your progress(or lack thereof) in game, feel free to use this thread to post your screenshots, stories and whatnot.

Useful links:
Dom4 forums on Desura (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum)
Link to Edi's Dom4 Database (http://www.llamaserver.net/edi/dom4/dom4_db/dom4_db_403.zip)
An archived snapshot of the Dom3 wiki (http://web.archive.org/web/20130118162532/http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page): Yes, it's still relevant, and it hasn't been replaced yet, so... It has loads of useful information, including strategy guides. Keep in mind that while a lot of this information is still very useful and valid, a lot of it is entirely out-of-date.

Llama Server (http://llamaserver.net/): the automatic hosting server for our game.
Llama Server's map and mod browser (http://www.llamaserver.net/createDom4Game.cgi) (Yes, it's not really a browser, but you can browse the maps and mods here)

Shamelessly stolen from Akhier the Dragon hearted who stole it from ScriptWolf who stole if from Il Palazzo :P ( with his say so* ), and scantly updated for Dom4 by the latest OP. And then I stole it...

*referring to the orignator known as Il Palazzo in reference to the original theft by the one known as ScriptWolf, the OP does not claim any legitimacy or sanction for this latest theft until approval is or is not given in the future.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Empty on April 25, 2014, 03:27:21 pm

I've played twoish games of dom3 multiplayer before. Can I join?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 25, 2014, 03:38:07 pm

Posting to watch with obvious interest. If you need more players I'm here, but otherwise I think that I have slightly too much experience to be considered a beginner. Oh well.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 25, 2014, 03:39:42 pm

Quote from: Empty on April 25, 2014, 03:27:21 pm

I've played twoish games of dom3 multiplayer before. Can I join?

Hell yeah.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: MoLAoS on April 25, 2014, 05:58:33 pm

Will you try to set up a play time for the first several turns? Just to burn through them since they often have little or nothing to do?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 25, 2014, 10:02:41 pm

Quote from: MoLAoS on April 25, 2014, 05:58:33 pm

Will you try to set up a play time for the first several turns? Just to burn through them since they often have little or nothing to do?

Of course. No sense dragging things on.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: MoLAoS on April 25, 2014, 10:50:55 pm

Quote from: moghopper on April 25, 2014, 10:02:41 pm

Quote from: MoLAoS on April 25, 2014, 05:58:33 pm

Will you try to set up a play time for the first several turns? Just to burn through them since they often have little or nothing to do?

Of course. No sense dragging things on.

How quickly do you expect the first 25 turns to go? One or two weeks?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Biowraith on April 26, 2014, 01:30:27 am

I'd like to join this.  My multiplayer experience consists of a single dom 3 game, of which all I can remember is the last 2 turns when I lost my final province.  And while I've played a fair bit of single player (mostly dom 3), I haven't generally done much in the way of tactics or nuance.  Badass I am not :p

I'm in the UK with a day job though, so my ability to make specific pre-set play times would somewhat limited.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 26, 2014, 11:01:01 am

It's possible but unlikely that you'll get many turns done in a day. There's one or two oceans between all the players and then you have to consider that some of the players are more invested in their careers or families. It doesn't matter how fast early turns are if you can only spare a few hours to play per day at a very specific time.

I checked my email history and here's little data on previous dom4 games here:
Round 401
Turn 1: 26th November
Turn 20: 19th December, so about 23 days
I seem to recall that we had some player issues which cost us a few days to sort out. Uncommon but realistic delay to the turn-per-day formula.

Round 402
Turn 1: 5th January
Turn 20: 24th January
20 turns in 19 days, which is about what you'd expect from an international turn-per-day PBEM group.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 26, 2014, 12:18:53 pm

I'd be interested as well.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 26, 2014, 08:04:01 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on April 26, 2014, 12:18:53 pm

I'd be interested as well.

I bet you want to play as EA Yomi.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 27, 2014, 04:03:48 am

Nope, already in another game with them.
Has it already been decided that we play EA?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Shadowgandor on April 27, 2014, 04:46:44 am

I'm looking for a LA game, so if you guys are doing LA, please send me a message ^^

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 09:50:38 am

We probably should decide which era we are playing. My vote is for LA

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Empty on April 27, 2014, 11:31:54 am

If it's a late era game I'm interested in the apes and naga nation. Pattala?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 11:44:11 am

Quote from: Empty on April 27, 2014, 11:31:54 am

If it's a late era game I'm interested in the apes and naga nation. Pattala?

Patala.

I never did like the ape nations myself.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Biowraith on April 27, 2014, 12:14:47 pm

Any of the ages is fine with me, I don't have any real preference.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 12:27:11 pm

Still need more players.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: MoLAoS on April 27, 2014, 03:11:20 pm

I really want to play but on the other hand I probably couldn't handle a game that went on for longer than 1-3 months. My action to result time tolerance is apparently incredibly low for people who like tbs/gs games.

Also I suspect my willingness to devote time to video games is much higher than a normal person.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 27, 2014, 03:26:44 pm

Quote from: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 12:27:11 pm

Still need more players.

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 25, 2014, 03:38:07 pm

If you need more players I'm here, but otherwise I think that I have slightly too much experience to be considered a beginner.

If you're that desperate... I've completed... MP three games at most. Two of which were 1v1s that didn't last very long.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 03:28:03 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 27, 2014, 03:26:44 pm

Quote from: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 12:27:11 pm

Still need more players.

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 25, 2014, 03:38:07 pm

If you need more players I'm here, but otherwise I think that I have slightly too much experience to be considered a beginner.

If you're that desperate... I've completed... MP three games at most. Two of which were 1v1s that didn't last very long.

Sure. Got an era you want to play in?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 27, 2014, 03:29:48 pm

F- if I know. Pick an era and I'll find a nation to play. Nothing is jumping out at me right now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 27, 2014, 04:26:04 pm

Wouldn't mind LA, but it's one of the more complex ages, is it not?
At least most of the nations there have three times the unit roster of the other ages and blood magic is also somewhat common.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 27, 2014, 05:44:43 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on April 27, 2014, 04:26:04 pm

Wouldn't mind LA, but it's one of the more complex ages, is it not?
At least most of the nations there have three times the unit roster of the other ages and blood magic is also somewhat common.

Not really more complex, just different. Is everyone cool with this being an LA game?

So lets just go with five people.

We'll be playing in LA

Choose Nations please!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Antur on April 28, 2014, 02:44:50 pm

I'd be interested in playing as well. I kinda left my first dom3 game here due to my crazy schedule back then  but i'd like to try again. (Sorry again for the folks i played with that round. I really didn't think i'd have so much problems.)

PPE : Too slow ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 28, 2014, 02:46:58 pm

Quote from: Antur on April 28, 2014, 02:44:50 pm

I'd be interested in playing as well. I kinda left my first dom3 game here due to my crazy schedule back then  but i'd like to try again. (Sorry again for the folks i played with that round. I really didn't think i'd have so much problems.)

PPE : Too slow ?

You can join if you'd like.

Care to choose a nation?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Empty on April 28, 2014, 03:35:09 pm

Put me down for Patala please :P

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Gimhalos on April 28, 2014, 05:23:41 pm

Is there still room in this game? I'm in one other Dominions game atm, no other experience though.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 28, 2014, 05:30:08 pm

Choose a nation and you're in.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Biowraith on April 28, 2014, 05:34:55 pm

I'd like to have a bash as Agartha, please.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 28, 2014, 05:42:40 pm

Quote from: Biowraith on April 28, 2014, 05:34:55 pm

I'd like to have a bash as Agartha, please.

Shit. I was kinda hoping for Agartha. Love me their alchemists. Uh... I'm still deciding on what nation I want to play right now. Give me some time to think.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Gimhalos on April 28, 2014, 05:59:06 pm

Mmmm I'll take Tien Chi.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 28, 2014, 07:10:48 pm

Is LA R'yleh allowed?
If so I'll be picking them.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 28, 2014, 07:36:20 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on April 28, 2014, 07:10:48 pm

Is LA R'yleh allowed?
If so I'll be picking them.

I was hoping to avoid R'yleh and Ermor.

Neither are noob friendly and they cause havoc everywhere. Could I persuade you to try a less... destructive nation?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 28, 2014, 07:58:02 pm

Then either Jomon or Bogarus.
Not sure which since I haven't played either.

Maybe even Atlantis.
I'll think about it tomorrow.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Biowraith on April 29, 2014, 12:39:45 am

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 28, 2014, 05:42:40 pm

Quote from: Biowraith on April 28, 2014, 05:34:55 pm

I'd like to have a bash as Agartha, please.

Shit. I was kinda hoping for Agartha. Love me their alchemists. Uh... I'm still deciding on what nation I want to play right now. Give me some time to think.

I'll switch if you had your heart set on Agartha - I'm not experienced enough with LA nations (or Dom4 in general) to have a major attachment to any of them.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: tompliss on April 29, 2014, 04:03:56 am

I may want to play as well.
Still have to choose a nation, and don't know for now. maybe Arcoscephale.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Antur on April 29, 2014, 04:35:52 am

I'll try my luck with Ulm if nobody objects.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 09:11:42 am

Quote from: Antur on April 29, 2014, 04:35:52 am

I'll try my luck with Ulm if nobody objects.

Gah. Another nation I was thinking about. What is with you guys and picking all of the nations I like? *shakes fist in a half-joking manner*

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Antur on April 29, 2014, 09:29:34 am

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 09:11:42 am

Quote from: Antur on April 29, 2014, 04:35:52 am

I'll try my luck with Ulm if nobody objects.

Gah. Another nation I was thinking about. What is with you guys and picking all of the nations I like? *shakes fist in a half-joking manner*

I can swap to Utgard if you'd like, i played maybe two sp LA games anyway so it's not like i have any preferred nations.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 09:31:53 am

I'm joking. :P

Besides, Midgard and C'tis have my eye right now. I'll get you guys know what I've decided on soon enough.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 29, 2014, 02:26:36 pm

Jomon it is.
No idea if I can handle all those national summons, but we'll see.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: tompliss on April 29, 2014, 02:34:15 pm

I think I'll play Caelum.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 03:14:53 pm

Quote from: tompliss on April 29, 2014, 02:34:15 pm

I think I'll play Caelum.

Ah... LA Caelum... Have fun with that. It's... interesting to say the least.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game)
Post by: moghopper on April 29, 2014, 03:34:57 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 03:14:53 pm

Quote from: tompliss on April 29, 2014, 02:34:15 pm

I think I'll play Caelum.

Ah... LA Caelum... Have fun with that. It's... interesting to say the least.

Still need a nation for you.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 05:53:26 pm

Ugh... I know. Just nothing is calling out to me, you know?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on April 29, 2014, 06:04:30 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on April 29, 2014, 05:53:26 pm

Ugh... I know. Just nothing is calling out to me, you know?

Nations I would recommend:

Mictlan

Midgard

Gath

Bogarus <---- Have alchemists of their own

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on April 30, 2014, 04:59:19 am

So, let's choose the map.
We have no under-water nation, and 8 players.

Anybody have any idea ?

I really like Pymous' maps, but Biddyn seems nearly small (10 province per player) and Peliwyr too big for 8 players (15 provinces per players). Out of those 2, Biddyn may be the best for us.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on April 30, 2014, 05:41:00 am

Quote from: tompliss on April 30, 2014, 04:59:19 am

We have no under-water nation[...]

Which doesn't mean we shouldn't have any water.
Jomon has some very good underwater troops which it needs to take advantage off.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on April 30, 2014, 07:02:11 am

Not saying that :p
Just saying that the number of UW provinces isn't a primary criteria of choice.
And actually, both the maps I mentionned have UW provinces ;)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on April 30, 2014, 10:12:16 am

I'm actually partial to Valanis.

Though I also like Dawn of Dominions Map. I could modify it If you all want.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on April 30, 2014, 10:30:01 am

They're pretty big :/
132 and 142 land provinces means more than 15 per nation...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on April 30, 2014, 11:35:54 am

Quote from: tompliss on April 30, 2014, 10:30:01 am

They're pretty big :/
132 and 142 land provinces means more than 15 per nation...

True...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 30, 2014, 02:35:29 pm

Quote from: moghopper on April 29, 2014, 06:04:30 pm

Nations I would recommend:

Mictlan

Midgard

Gath

Bogarus <---- Have alchemists of their own

Blah, put me down for Midgard, I guess. Playing an nation with actual air magic shall be fun.

Also, the reason that I like Agathra's alchemists is due to their magic paths, and not their alchemy bonus.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 01, 2014, 12:21:01 pm

Valanis and Pelywyr look nice but out of the two i'd prefer Valanis. And yeah size is a bit of an issue here but there's not many maps to choose from for our number.
Maybe we can try to get one more player ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 01, 2014, 02:11:39 pm

If you want one more player, count me in!  If possible, T'ien Ch'i please!  Horse archers are awesome!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 01, 2014, 02:15:52 pm

TC's already taken. Check the first post for nation picks.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 01, 2014, 02:38:00 pm

Quote from: Delta Foxtrot on May 01, 2014, 02:15:52 pm

TC's already taken. Check the first post for nation picks.

Darn.  Uhh, Bogarus?  Although I have never tried them before...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 01, 2014, 03:06:54 pm

How new are you Puzzlemaker?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 01, 2014, 03:20:14 pm

Quote from: moghopper on May 01, 2014, 03:06:54 pm

How new are you Puzzlemaker?

I played one full game as those undead guys with the dominion that destroys everything (Ermor or Lemuria or whatever, don't remember which one) and I played around with the TC horse archer guys.  Both of those were against AI.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 01, 2014, 05:39:31 pm

I'll sign you up then.


Now, as for maps, I'm good with most any map.

You all find one you like, and I'll set it up.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 01, 2014, 07:51:08 pm

SWEET!  I am excited!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 02, 2014, 01:12:44 am

Nearly all of my (SP) games have been on random maps so - and you may be starting to sense a pattern in my responses here - I don't have any preference (or clue) on which map we use.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 02, 2014, 02:09:12 am

Alright, so with 9 players, we'll probably go for a "big" map.

Anyone against Valanis ?

Other settings ...
Magic sites at default (or just a bit higher) ?
Random event rates : low or normal ? (I'm all for the higher)
Thrones ... A little dozen of level 1 ? maybe put two or three level 2 ? 70% throne points needed to win ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 02, 2014, 02:53:24 am

I prefer default sites/events/indie strength but it's up to you guys. No preference on map.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 02, 2014, 06:51:44 am

On the other settings, I like to raise the magic sites to 45-50, but otherwise I usually leave them all on default.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 02, 2014, 07:03:25 am

I'd prefer leaving events at default and few level two thrones sounds good.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 02, 2014, 08:23:53 am

Thrones :
9 lvl1
3 lvl2
Points needed : 9/15 ?
Even with all the level2 thrones, it still means half the thrones. If we get the lvl2 on different points of the map, it may be hard to get a "sneaky" victory even with those.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 02, 2014, 12:32:24 pm

I'd rather play with thrones off personally.


I could gen a large map if anyone wants me to.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 02, 2014, 04:51:51 pm

Default settings for the most part. Hall of Fame to 15.
Some more sites could be nice.

A no throne game never ends. I like the throne mechanic.
For that player count, I'd like something like a third of max ascension points.

Edit:
I'm personally a fan of Valanis.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 03, 2014, 02:11:33 pm

Okay, I guess we will be doing thrones then.

What else?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 03, 2014, 03:07:00 pm

What else is there that has to be decided?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 03, 2014, 03:27:23 pm

Well, there is the event rate and the throne numbers, as it seems that we'll go for Valanis and that the other options are usually left at default.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 03, 2014, 03:30:21 pm

Event Rate is up to you guys, I don't care either way.
I usually play Valanis with 12 lvl1, 6 lvl2, 3 lvl3 thrones and 22 points needed, but I can imagine that's not for everybody.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 03, 2014, 04:10:04 pm

Well, that's 2.3 thrones per nation, so yeah, that would be a bit too much... :/

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 03, 2014, 07:24:48 pm

How about 6 lvl 1, 4 lvl 2, and 2 lvl 3.

1.3 per nation.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 04, 2014, 11:40:56 am

Go ahead.
You're the most experienced here probably.

I like the randomness and the throne events, but if you are out for a more balanced approach it's probably better to have less.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 04, 2014, 12:52:23 pm

Well then:

Map: Valanis

Thrones: Yes

Do we want to do a disciples game, or a regular game?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 04, 2014, 01:04:26 pm

Considering how everyone's already picked a nation based on the assumption that you won't be playing a disciple game... That sounds like a decision you've already made.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 04, 2014, 04:49:35 pm

Quote from: Delta Foxtrot on May 04, 2014, 01:04:26 pm

Considering how everyone's already picked a nation based on the assumption that you won't be playing a disciple game... That sounds like a decision you've already made.

It doesn't hurt to ask.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 04, 2014, 07:41:36 pm

Okay, here's how things are going to go down.

No disciples. Thrones on.

And score graphs off.

I'll gen some maps tomorrow, post them, and then we can start.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 05, 2014, 11:44:41 am

Okay, we are using the map titled R.Gen Mk3. It's at the bottom of the llamaserver map list.

I'll create the game now. Everyone please get pretenders ready.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 05, 2014, 01:23:09 pm

You even said it yourself yesterday :

Quote from: moghopper on May 04, 2014, 12:52:23 pm

Map: Valanis

:p

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 05, 2014, 04:00:04 pm

Do I have to download the map? And if so how?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 05, 2014, 06:16:36 pm

Quote from: Empty on May 05, 2014, 04:00:04 pm

Do I have to download the map? And if so how?

right... I'll upload the files for everyone.

https://mega.co.nz/#!VQMwFKTT!7i6o39PZNLEHg2gTsbbOLb2F_DA1dxZCifptAEqomXU
https://mega.co.nz/#!wZdDiDaK!Yl0xPk37Je1MMft8vaWgwW61fM5AYAhkzaGGGBtHRA8

The two are all you need. Just dump both in your map folders


Or do you all still want Valanis?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 05, 2014, 08:17:35 pm

Okay, downloaded maps and made a pretender... what's the game name to upload this to?  Also:  I have no idea what I am doing.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 05, 2014, 08:49:57 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 05, 2014, 08:17:35 pm

Okay, downloaded maps and made a pretender... what's the game name to upload this to?  Also:  I have no idea what I am doing.

Noobtime

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 06, 2014, 01:40:10 am

Quote from: moghopper on May 05, 2014, 06:16:36 pm

Or do you all still want Valanis?

Well, I've seen two other players who want it (and I'm not counting you saying you like it) :

Quote from: Antur on May 01, 2014, 12:21:01 pm

Valanis and Pelywyr look nice but out of the two i'd prefer Valanis.

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 02, 2014, 04:51:51 pm

I'm personally a fan of Valanis.

It's well designed, it has an original general pattern, unique landmarks so you always know where you are in the map, a nice cave network that makes sense, and it is beautiful.
I see no reason not to use it, especially if it's to use a randomly generated one map...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on May 06, 2014, 03:49:56 am

The map is beautiful, but it's not all that balanced. The extensive cave network gives any underground (Agartha :P) player a significant advantage, and the start positions (last I saw) aren't extremely helpful. You can start instantly cornered and restricted by 2-3 nations, all of whom also suffer if and when the RNG decides to give them 10% of the map while giving the rest of the players 90% of the map. I'd suggest that you open up the map in the editor, toss some start positions in a sort of balanced way (far enough from any enemies, neighbour to provinces that are sort of equal to what others get) and maybe distribute the throne provinces in a fairish way. That way you can enjoy the most the map can give you with the minimal effort required.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 06, 2014, 08:13:31 am

My pretender is sent in.  I am pretty sure I made some bad decisions, but OH WELL LETS PLAY.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 06, 2014, 09:34:27 am

Warning: The following game of Dominions 4 contains coarse language, graphic violence, the undead, demons, werewolves and vampires.
Viewer discretion is advised.

((AKA: Pretender submitted. Let's get it on!))

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 06, 2014, 10:51:13 am

Hope you guys were creative with pretender names.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 06, 2014, 10:57:51 am

I sorta was? We'll find out eventually when the round starts.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 06, 2014, 11:47:35 am

I wasn't creative... sorry.  But I do believe the name I chose is kind of awesome anyway, so there is that.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 06, 2014, 11:59:30 am

I was thoroughly uncreative.  I care not.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 06, 2014, 12:05:31 pm

Pretender sent. Creative ? I don't know. Maybe ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 06, 2014, 02:12:11 pm

Neither was I really.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 06, 2014, 02:42:51 pm

I just submitted my pretender.

Only Gimhalos's Tien Chi left to begin the game.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 06, 2014, 03:03:04 pm

Am I the only one who uses serious names for their pretender?

And am I going to get ganked for not using a silly name?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 06, 2014, 03:19:42 pm

My pretender's name is not a "silly" name, but it's still part of a "joke".

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 06, 2014, 07:34:05 pm

Oh, we should establish some rules on alliances as such.

Are you all okay with allowing people to share victory?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 06, 2014, 07:35:54 pm

I'm completely fine with it, honestly. Sorta encourages people to stick together instead of ganging up on the leader.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 07, 2014, 12:09:43 am

Quote from: tompliss on May 06, 2014, 02:42:51 pm

I just submitted my pretender.

Only Gimhalos's Tien Chi left to begin the game.

Sorry long work day, just got home. I'll submit within the hour.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 07, 2014, 01:39:30 am

Quote

max 9 players
Players so far: 9

Time to launch the game ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 07, 2014, 08:07:33 am

Launched. Commence clusterfuck,.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 07, 2014, 09:27:44 am

Were start positions random ? Anyway:

Spoiler: Pretenders (click to show/hide)

The Conspiracy of Ulm -
The Pale Lady of Marignon - Hope it's not vampire queen because Ulm has trademark on vampires.
Rock Mobster of Tien'Chi - God of the Rock heh
Jakie Chan of Jomon -
Biowraith of Agartha -
Wrath of Caelum -
3spooky5me of Midgard - Spookiest titles too
Terrorwolf of Bogarus -
Unko of Patala - The only pretender that's not evil abomination judging by titles.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 07, 2014, 10:02:07 am

What's so spooky about being Lord of Fruit Trees? Geez. And 3Spooky5Me doesn't 'eat' eat children. Which is to say they're still alive afterwards... ^{_{Which is honestly still pretty spooky.}}

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 07, 2014, 10:08:43 am

I must admit i read that as Lord of Fruit Flies when i checked the titles.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 07, 2014, 10:10:50 am

Which would be rather silly, actually. Plus what would it signify anyways?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 07, 2014, 11:46:23 am

Not wraparound? Oh boy, this is going to be a mess for people other than myself.
Couldn't ask for a better starting position.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 07, 2014, 05:35:48 pm

Man, I got a lame starting position...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on May 07, 2014, 06:13:28 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 07, 2014, 10:02:07 am

What's so spooky about being Lord of Fruit Trees?

But what fruit do they bear?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 07, 2014, 06:17:51 pm

Quote from: lijacote on May 07, 2014, 06:13:28 pm

But what fruit do they bear?

Fruit of the Loom? I dunno. I'd have to check.

...

...

...

Pumpkins are a fruit, right?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 07, 2014, 07:15:53 pm

Oh, one thing I want to propose. If two nations have an issue which they want to resolve, but don't want war, I hereby suggest this:

Both nations choose a border province

Both nations then summon an army a cave crabs

CRAB BATTLE!

Crab battles solve everything.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 07, 2014, 08:43:22 pm

Crab battles sounds fine by me.  It looks like I was the last person with a turn, sorry about that, I had a long day today.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 08, 2014, 04:53:17 am

I'm really not having any luck with indies in my LA Jomon games.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 08, 2014, 05:31:46 am

Well, my starting position is ... original.
May be easy to defend, but not that easy to expand.
Well, easy to globally  defend, at least, maybe not tactically... :/

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 08, 2014, 03:37:32 pm

I just realized mercenaries exist and that they could have helped with LA Jomons slow expansion.
Damn.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 09, 2014, 12:32:11 pm

Turns out I got really lucky with my starting position. Really lucky. I'll let you all work out why.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 09, 2014, 01:04:39 pm

Quote from: moghopper on May 09, 2014, 12:32:11 pm

Turns out I got really lucky with my starting position. Really lucky. I'll let you all work out why.

Oh boy.

As for me, I believe I have made a few mistakes so far.  Hopefully it all works out though.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 09, 2014, 01:29:24 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 09, 2014, 01:04:39 pm

Quote from: moghopper on May 09, 2014, 12:32:11 pm

Turns out I got really lucky with my starting position. Really lucky. I'll let you all work out why.

Oh boy.

As for me, I believe I have made a few mistakes so far.  Hopefully it all works out though.

Don't worry. I think most of us have made mistakes at the start. I have as well. Battle outcomes are so random anyway :P

Also for those willing to chat about the game. I'm on rizon with the nick Empty usually. Send me a message.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 09, 2014, 04:19:33 pm

Same here, I've wasted 2 turns at this point.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 09, 2014, 04:25:31 pm

You have a nice starting position, Mindmaker. That was surprising you didn't have more provinces, even with what I read about Jomon :/

Well, at least you didn't recruit dozens of short bowmen that won't deal damage agaisnt the common heavy armor of this Late Age...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 09, 2014, 07:04:34 pm

Jomon have a bit of a slow start, which I could have prevented by getting mercenaries turn 1.
I decided to take a trickier, well guarded province (undead) first, which had no connections to other provinces.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 10, 2014, 07:30:27 am

Good luck with mercs, I'll be buying them all up just to speed up my expansion ;D

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 10, 2014, 07:43:51 am

So what happens when your prophet dies again?  You get to choose a new one in how many turns?

Because I just took a risk... hopefully it pays off.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 10, 2014, 08:02:43 am

6 turns before you can have a new prophet.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 10, 2014, 08:31:35 am

Oh, that's not bad.  Hopefully he doesn't die.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 10, 2014, 03:24:43 pm

Will need an extension.
Can take my turn tomorrow night.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 10, 2014, 03:57:10 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 10, 2014, 03:24:43 pm

Will need an extension.
Can take my turn tomorrow night.

Sure

I've set it to 72 hours. I'll turn it back once you send in your turn.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 10, 2014, 04:14:31 pm

Well, there is the "quickhost" feature that runs the turn as soon as everyone send their .2h file, so you don't have to worry about that : the turn will be processed as soon as the server can :)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 10, 2014, 04:22:37 pm

Eh I think I can take my turn either way.
Even if that crappy laptop is nearly exploding.

I'm surrounded by indies of above average strength, and my army was just beaten.
Oh boy off to a good start.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 11, 2014, 01:07:02 am

Sorry for holding up the game every other turn. I work nights so by the time I get home I'm always the last to submit.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 11, 2014, 01:22:16 am

I wouldn't worry about it, everyone having different schedules etc is pretty much the point of playing it pbem.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 11, 2014, 01:49:34 pm

Look like my scouting report didn't tell me about 2 dark vines. RIP army.
And I though it would be the "free province here"-kind of druids.

This is runing into the second worst game I've played till now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 11, 2014, 02:07:16 pm

Quote from: Biowraith on May 11, 2014, 01:22:16 am

I wouldn't worry about it, everyone having different schedules etc is pretty much the point of playing it pbem.

Yeap, don't worry about that, Gimhalos : during weekdays, I can only played between 8:30pm and 11:30pm, french time.
We usually only have 1 turn a day, but that's a good rythm :)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 11, 2014, 03:29:13 pm

I think there needs to be about five units for them to show up in the scout report. It's pretty safe to assume that any druid/woodsman province will have a few of those dark vines wrecking armies up. I don't think anyone's made a list of province/indie types to watch out for. Off the top of my head, elephants like to pair up with slingers. Can't think of other very low number monstrosities that can ruin an expansion for now.

Live and learn.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 11, 2014, 03:55:42 pm

Well there Woodhenge Druids and Bloodhenge Druids. You have to learn the difference, it could save your life.
All that showed up where those Blowpipe guys and I forgot that their evil brothers can show up rarely.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 11, 2014, 06:02:59 pm

It sounds like most of you have been having trouble with indies. I must have gotten lucky.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 11, 2014, 08:16:37 pm

A good boulder usually sends Indies scattering.  *rimshot*

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 11, 2014, 09:01:56 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 11, 2014, 08:16:37 pm

A good boulder usually sends Indies scattering.  *rimshot*

This may be early, but anyone who agrees to a non aggression pact with me gets a free cupcake, baked by the Pale Lady herself!

Edit: Sigh, I really wish this was an EA or MA game. I just don't like any of the nations. MA Marignon had Better Units and I much preferred their mages.

That said, MA Pythium is my all time favorite. I would have double the provinces I have now if I was playing them.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 12, 2014, 01:42:09 pm

I've been doing ok with indies so far - the mercs I hired first turn cleared the adjacent throne province without incident (then wiped on the next mundane province :p), and after a couple turns building up his army my prophet's been making steady progress.  I'm sure expert players would have captured more in that time, but there's not been any disastrous results.

Though from what my scouts are telling me, some people are up against significantly more resistance... ~130 units including vine ogres and earth gnomes lead by an earth mother gathered around one throne.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 12, 2014, 02:58:19 pm

Quote from: Biowraith on May 12, 2014, 01:42:09 pm

I've been doing ok with indies so far - the mercs I hired first turn cleared the adjacent throne province without incident (then wiped on the next mundane province :p), and after a couple turns building up his army my prophet's been making steady progress.  I'm sure expert players would have captured more in that time, but there's not been any disastrous results.

Though from what my scouts are telling me, some people are up against significantly more resistance... ~130 units including vine ogres and earth gnomes lead by an earth mother gathered around one throne.

Dear god...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 12, 2014, 03:24:25 pm

Interesting, some people have told me to give up on this game because I have no water access.
I always saw Ryujin as great addition and not something game deciding. Maybe I'm just too inexperienced to properly judge the situation.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 03:38:41 pm

Well, we're all noob here, so that should not be game-deciding ;)

I mean, I'm trying a type of pretender I've never tried before, with a race I've never tried before and that is known not to be optimized.
Yours is not optimized for early game, but can be very powerful afterwards.

BTW, marignon, I saw your starting position and yes, that appears to be a nice one for your nation :D

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 12, 2014, 03:52:15 pm

Quote from: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 03:38:41 pm

I mean, I'm trying a type of pretender I've never tried before, with a race I've never tried before and that is known not to be optimized.

Not optimized is putting it lightly. I hope that you've been recruiting Caelian Seraphs while you still can. Guaranteed 2A is freaking amazing for LA Caelum, but eventually you'll need to start recruiting all of the Elders you can.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 03:55:08 pm

Not even one c:
I've got a strategy. It may be bad, but I still got one !

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 12, 2014, 04:08:01 pm

Quote from: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 03:55:08 pm

Not even one c:
I've got a strategy. It may be bad, but I still got one !

Yay! Mind telling me what it is? Not right now if you don't want to, but Caelum with all of its flaws is my favourite nation after all...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 04:37:51 pm

... You're playing with us ... :I

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 12, 2014, 04:41:20 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 12, 2014, 04:08:01 pm

Yay! Mind telling me what it is? Not right now if you don't want to, but Caelum with all of its flaws is my favourite nation after all...

AKA: After it crashes and burns. Or Midgard crashes and burns. Which is to say when it no longer matters.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 04:44:31 pm

wow ... I can't even read a simple line and remember it all... Time to go to bed :-°

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 12, 2014, 04:46:42 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 12, 2014, 03:24:25 pm

Interesting, some people have told me to give up on this game because I have no water access.
I always saw Ryujin as great addition and not something game deciding. Maybe I'm just too inexperienced to properly judge the situation.

I know you won't be, but it's definitely no reason to quit a newbie game. There's no substitute for real MP game experience.
But about those Ryujin, I've used them to great effect in 402. W3 alone is ok, with situationally awesome uses. There's a bunch of useful things in conjuration, alteration and evocations in particular. But it's the crosspaths that are really great and set them apart from your other mages. I won't go over them all here, but every Ryujin variant has a good use. some off-, some on-battlefield. And while some of their paths are cheaper and stronger on a lucky master shugenja, the dragons are durable and can fly three provinces a turn. In plain terms, you have very durable battle mages who can fight where and when you want them to fight. And boy can they fight.

They quite simply enable Jomon to do some things better, and some things Jomon just can't do with mere master shugenjas and onmyo-ji's.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 12, 2014, 04:57:35 pm

Quote from: tompliss on May 12, 2014, 03:38:41 pm

BTW, marignon, I saw your starting position and yes, that appears to be a nice one for your nation :D

Oh you and your scouting ;D

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 12, 2014, 07:32:44 pm

Thanks for sharing.
I'm currently pondering, if setting up Jomon for communions was a wise idea, considering their randomness.
Oh well.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 12, 2014, 09:02:43 pm

Quote from: Biowraith on May 12, 2014, 01:42:09 pm

I've been doing ok with indies so far - the mercs I hired first turn cleared the adjacent throne province without incident (then wiped on the next mundane province :p), and after a couple turns building up his army my prophet's been making steady progress.  I'm sure expert players would have captured more in that time, but there's not been any disastrous results.

Though from what my scouts are telling me, some people are up against significantly more resistance... ~130 units including vine ogres and earth gnomes lead by an earth mother gathered around one throne.

No I'm fine don't worry about it. Excellent starting position.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 13, 2014, 02:11:33 pm

Cow-eating fungi,flash floods and goddamned Sorcerer invasions taking back provinces my army just left.
It's almost as i if i had Misfortune scales here. These fortune-tellers are scamming me.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 13, 2014, 07:23:24 pm

Whyyy hello other people, nice to see you too! 

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 13, 2014, 07:32:33 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 13, 2014, 07:23:24 pm

Whyyy hello other people, nice to see you too!

...

That was seriously the worse sneak attack I've ever seen, Bogarus. I mean, seriously, you lost half of your expansion force to PD! Are you willing to call a ceasefire or are we going to duke it out until one of us is dead?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 14, 2014, 12:57:05 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 13, 2014, 07:23:24 pm

Whyyy hello other people, nice to see you too!

Well hello there!

Looks like I've met all my neighbours now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 14, 2014, 02:33:58 am

I have yet to really meet everyone, but at least, I scouted everyone...
I may have 3,5 neighbours.
but hey, I'm Caelum, everyone is my neighbour, even if they don't know it :D

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 14, 2014, 07:05:59 am

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 13, 2014, 07:32:33 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 13, 2014, 07:23:24 pm

Whyyy hello other people, nice to see you too!

...

That was seriously the worse sneak attack I've ever seen, Bogarus. I mean, seriously, you lost half of your expansion force to PD! Are you willing to call a ceasefire or are we going to duke it out until one of us is dead?

Alright alright, I just really wanted that province.  I am lacking in gold-heavy provinces in a big way.  Peace.

And what do you mean worse sneak attack?  If you watch the battle, you only had ONE guy who wasn't routing.  ONE.  I was so close!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 14, 2014, 09:27:16 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 14, 2014, 07:05:59 am

Alright alright, I just really wanted that province.  I am lacking in gold-heavy provinces in a big way.  Peace.

Good, I accept your offer of peace. Mostly because I need to rearm my armies, but still...

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 14, 2014, 07:05:59 am

And what do you mean worse sneak attack?  If you watch the battle, you only had ONE guy who wasn't routing.  ONE.  I was so close!

You lost half of your 60~70 unit large army to PD a third of your size. That's absolutely shameful, you know? And I'm pretty sure that my guys routed at the same time as yours. They just had further to flee.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 14, 2014, 11:13:18 am

wow, I'm the last one playing today too :/
I'll send my turn in 2h30, guys :D

By the way, in Late age, depending on the nation and the province natives, PD can be very strong, or not at all...
(*has a province with blowgunners near the capital... well, it will stay at 1 PD...*)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 14, 2014, 11:49:58 am

It was generic heavy infantry, light infantry and militia. Hardly the stuff of terror, honestly.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 14, 2014, 03:27:21 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 14, 2014, 11:49:58 am

It was generic heavy infantry, light infantry and militia. Hardly the stuff of terror, honestly.

Honestly that's what my force was composed of too.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 14, 2014, 03:33:33 pm

I might have just beat your record of getting own army killed by independents. And I think the indie Sorcerers are out to get me.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 14, 2014, 04:01:35 pm

Some might not know so I'll tell you a trick.

If you script a commander to escape (better use a cheap one for this) and place them at the back.
You can use them to scout out what kind of indies there are if you attack the province. Just make sure that you do not lose the last province adjenctant to the one you attack. Or else you will lose your cheap expandable battle scout.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 15, 2014, 01:18:58 pm

Well that was a slightly discouraging turn.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 15, 2014, 01:31:49 pm

Quote from: Biowraith on May 15, 2014, 01:18:58 pm

Well that was a slightly discouraging turn.

Every turn I play I realize what I could have done better.  It's really annoying.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 15, 2014, 01:35:31 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 15, 2014, 01:31:49 pm

Every turn I play I realize what I could have done better.  It's really annoying.

Like not losing half of your army to PD. :P

_{^{((Seriously though, I was panicking after seeing that turn. My armies were pretty beaten up and I was worried that you'd swoop in and take most of my provinces. I simply didn't have the men to stop you.))}}

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 15, 2014, 01:46:46 pm

In this instance it was more an unexpected turn of bad luck than a bad decision (well, aided by slightly derpy AI which I guess I coulda mitigated by taking a heavier hand in setting up orders).

It also came with the somewhat amusing result of winning a battle despite losing my only commander in the battle.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 15, 2014, 02:23:26 pm

I was kind of lucky during a bad event previous turn.

Got a barbarian horde event. And it triggered before one of my commanders moved from the province to a indie province. Lost some population and some chaff but trounched them.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 15, 2014, 03:13:32 pm

It should even have provided experience to your soldiers :|

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:01:49 pm

Cut of this early in my expansion? Well that sucks.
It's ironic, because im my EA game my Yomi are at war with Caelum, which is the same nation that cut me off now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 15, 2014, 06:04:37 pm

_{CAW CAW}

Wait, shit. I'm not Caelum this game. Uh...

Spoiler: Boo? (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/BajgxDf.jpg)

_{I swear that I had this bit all planned out before I knew about the Eater of Children title. Honestly.}

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Also dibs on 38. Don't cross me.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on May 15, 2014, 06:20:36 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Don't cross me.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.gyazo.com/01c3e56ad5408c4811e57ec59e4741be.gif)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 16, 2014, 12:15:29 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Also dibs on 38. Don't cross me.

found 37 and 39... Where is 38 ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 16, 2014, 01:08:00 am

Quote from: lijacote on May 15, 2014, 06:20:36 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Don't cross me.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.gyazo.com/01c3e56ad5408c4811e57ec59e4741be.gif)

Saved.

Quote from: tompliss on May 16, 2014, 12:15:29 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Also dibs on 38. Don't cross me.

found 37 and 39... Where is 38 ?

Well silly me. I meant 24.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 16, 2014, 01:38:04 am

And now, I'm at work. Where is 24 ? c:

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 16, 2014, 10:56:16 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 16, 2014, 01:08:00 am

Well silly me. I meant 24.

...

Wow, you are really far away from the nearest ocean. _{Also province 38 is a sea province, so...}

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 16, 2014, 11:56:24 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 16, 2014, 01:08:00 am

Quote from: lijacote on May 15, 2014, 06:20:36 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Don't cross me.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.gyazo.com/01c3e56ad5408c4811e57ec59e4741be.gif)

Saved.

Quote from: tompliss on May 16, 2014, 12:15:29 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 15, 2014, 06:06:00 pm

Also dibs on 38. Don't cross me.

found 37 and 39... Where is 38 ?

Well silly me. I meant 24.

Well, I"ll let you two fight for it :D

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 16, 2014, 12:03:41 pm

Sorry for the late turn. I recently started a testing period for a job.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 16, 2014, 12:12:08 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 16, 2014, 10:56:16 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 16, 2014, 01:08:00 am

Well silly me. I meant 24.

...

Wow, you are really far away from the nearest ocean.

I know ;_;
I would have liked to see my Ryujin in action.

Edit:
Mercenaries are fun.

Edit 2:
Do you plan to take (4) Ulm? Wouldn't want to clash with you, since that area is of interest for me too (good borders).

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 18, 2014, 06:43:12 pm

Heyy USEC, those guys are making me a little nervous.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 18, 2014, 06:53:22 pm

Nah, don't worry. They're just moving east to smack around some independents there. Nothing to worry about.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 18, 2014, 07:30:12 pm

Oh goodly.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 18, 2014, 07:42:21 pm

Yeah. That was the quickest way to get to where I wanted, so... Sorry?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 19, 2014, 03:54:53 pm

I'm having an issue here.

Llamaserver won't accept my .2h file.

I'm not getting any reply messages as well.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 19, 2014, 04:01:26 pm

Thats odd. Has your address changed at all?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 19, 2014, 04:15:35 pm

Nevermind.
Seems the server was slowed or something.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 19, 2014, 04:16:18 pm

Well, in the other game, it's accepting my 2h but sending me message as if I corrected it many times (and others have the same messages as well)...
there are bugs, now, and we may have to postpone to turn, to be sure all is well ^^'

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 19, 2014, 04:55:50 pm

Oh wait, I'm the last one to submit a turn.
Better fix that.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 19, 2014, 05:24:01 pm

Uh... 'sup Puzzlemaker? Care to explain all of those armies on my borders? And those Five-Fold Angels in my provinces? Or are we going to have to get physical here?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 19, 2014, 05:31:56 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 19, 2014, 05:24:01 pm

Uh... 'sup Puzzlemaker? Care to explain all of those armies on my borders? And those Five-Fold Angels in my provinces? Or are we going to have to get physical here?

Five fold angels are my scout/spies.  Yes, I was spying on my neighboring province.  My bad for being cautious.

And those border units are moving towards the eastern front.  I thought you were going to attack me, so I had them swing south on their way.  They should be mostly gone next turn.

Quite the cold war we have going on.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 19, 2014, 05:32:28 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 19, 2014, 05:24:01 pm

Uh... 'sup Puzzlemaker? Care to explain all of those armies on my borders? And those Five-Fold Angels in my provinces? Or are we going to have to get physical here?

Those aren't fivefold angels, they're just normal people who were red robes, cut their hands off, and attach their back skin to poles.

Totally different.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 19, 2014, 05:41:17 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 19, 2014, 05:31:56 pm

Five fold angels are my scout/spies.  Yes, I was spying on my neighboring province.  My bad for being cautious.

200 gold scouts/spies. Who are definitely increasing unrest in my province. Honestly you're lucky he had a free province to sneak into.

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 19, 2014, 05:31:56 pm

Quite the cold war we have going on.

Only because you sneak attacked me! And snuck unrest causing enemies into my lands! I haven't attacked you at all! It's not a cold war if the other side has been friendly this entire time! BLASDFASDFASDFASDFADFADA _{((Mostly joking here.))}

Anywho, I'm going to continue to operate on the assumption that you aren't about to sneak attack me. So as long as you don't attack everything will be peachy keen between us.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 19, 2014, 07:49:28 pm

Okay yes fine I may have wanted to try them out since they seem like Bogarus's main strength.   :P

In all seriousness though I think I will move them.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 20, 2014, 01:06:30 am

Well I guess that Bane's not going to be my new prophet.

Related question: if a deathmatch arena champion is killed by a Horror will his arena reward item be lost or will it be picked up by another commander in the same province?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 20, 2014, 01:58:21 am

Did the horror kill him during the match ?
Because the deathmatch arena is "province-less", so nobody is here to get the item...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 20, 2014, 11:41:25 am

Nah, he just got horror marked during the match - no actual horrors yet.

I was contemplating parking him in an otherwise empty province alongside a suitably thuggish commander to inherit the reward item when the inevitable death-by-horror takes place, but no point doing that if the item won't transfer that way (if arena rewards can even transfer at all?).

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 20, 2014, 12:36:05 pm

You should consider bodyguards :)
Horrors count as assassinations : 5 units with the "guard commander" order are selected to protect him.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 20, 2014, 02:24:00 pm

Would horror become the champion if it killed both contestants ? Heh.

Anyway, i really hoped that mercenary army barging in was just a mistake Jomon. Now i need to actually get my army there, what a bother.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 20, 2014, 03:42:41 pm

You didn't respond to my question in this thread and you general presence has been a bit lacking lately.
I thought I'd give you a wake up call and a reason to participate some more. Prepare yourself.

Let's decide the western vs eastern weaponry debate once and for all.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 20, 2014, 03:43:48 pm

Round one, FIGHT !

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 20, 2014, 03:47:43 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 20, 2014, 03:42:41 pm

You didn't respond to my question in this thread and you general presence has been a bit lacking lately.
I thought I'd give you a wake up call and a reason to participate some more. Prepare yourself.

Let's decide the western vs eastern weaponry debate once and for all.

What about a kukri? :P

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 20, 2014, 03:50:21 pm

Has it been folded over a thousand times and made out of grorious nipponese steel?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 20, 2014, 04:33:36 pm

Wait, what question ? Anyway , in depth research* by Ulm University confirm katanas are overrated. Go zweihander or go home! (*statistical significance level of the tests 0.99 )

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 20, 2014, 04:56:35 pm

The one regarding the provinces below that throne.

What researchers? What universities?
All you have is hedge wizards, cultists and monsters.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 20, 2014, 06:15:33 pm

Well I feel surrounded.  It's not a nice feeling.

Edit:  Biowraith, would you kindly move that gigantic army at my borders away it's scaring me.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 21, 2014, 12:35:54 am

Pff, that army's not gigantic, and it's not really an army, more of a health and safety team - the caves of Agartha can be treacherous to surface dwellers, so for their own safety we have a team standing by to advise explorers and travelers that might try to venture inside.

(that province is one of three chokepoints into my territory and it's the only one that borders two other nations; to leave it unguarded would be folly)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 21, 2014, 01:35:37 am

Wait a few months and people will tell you building a fortress here is declaring war ._.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 21, 2014, 03:04:52 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 20, 2014, 06:15:33 pm

Well I feel surrounded.  It's not a nice feeling.

Edit:  Biowraith, would you kindly move that gigantic army at my borders away it's scaring me.

Nah dude it's fine you're totally fine. No escalation going on here. Just heading south for the winter.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 21, 2014, 06:49:46 am

See normally I would understand but you see you can move into my throne from that point.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 21, 2014, 09:33:54 am

Then build a fort in that province if you're so worried. That'll definitely help protect it, and everyone goes home contented.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 21, 2014, 11:47:30 am

But... gold...

Alright fine, I really should.  Bleh.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 21, 2014, 11:51:12 am

I'm employing ALL OF THE MERCENARIES and am building my 4th fortress.
What are those gold issues you are talking about?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 21, 2014, 05:35:50 pm

My territory and my pretender build are rather gold-light sadly.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 22, 2014, 09:35:31 am

Will submit my turn in like 3 hours.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 23, 2014, 02:47:23 pm

Just submitted my turn.  I will be going on a trip this weekend, so I may not be able to get to it for awhile, sorry.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 23, 2014, 04:14:28 pm

Happens.
I'll be visiting my parents myself.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 23, 2014, 04:23:30 pm

Take all the time you need.

Hell, I have some crimes against humanity to commit.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 23, 2014, 07:23:53 pm

Ah, I misunderstood something; it would only be on saturday, so no biggie.  I should be able to do my turn saturday night.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 25, 2014, 02:31:58 pm

Those Iron Blizzards hurt.
I'm also suprised that you managed to get one of my research goals before me.

Is anybody even trying to overbid me on mercs?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 25, 2014, 02:46:02 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 25, 2014, 02:31:58 pm

Is anybody even trying to overbid me on mercs?

Well, you get the "double bid" bonus, so that may not be the smartest move, except if one of the merc group is your primary force...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 25, 2014, 02:56:17 pm

Well I'm going to drop them soon, since I have better uses for my gold and they aren't of much use in a proper war.
Most of them that is. One of them is worth keeping around I guess.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 25, 2014, 03:40:44 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 25, 2014, 02:31:58 pm

Is anybody even trying to overbid me on mercs?

I've been bidding on some when they first appear, but like Puzzlemaker/Bogarus my lands and dominion aren't exactly gold heavy.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 25, 2014, 03:47:25 pm

This turn i realized that my dastardly plan of summoning horrors won't work since they get found one by one not in groups. Duh.

Also i'm not sure that Evo 6 was worth it really.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 25, 2014, 03:54:35 pm

Stellar Cascades can be a pretty good spell if you manage to get a good number of mages to cast it and the enemy relies on heavy infantry.
Or so I've heard.

Damn it, I'm falling behind in research. Once again I took a way too economic approach.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 04:29:21 pm

You guys are ALL DICKS.

Did you co-ordinate this or was it just bad luck on my part?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on May 25, 2014, 04:33:08 pm

Of course we coordinated that c:

... coordinated what, by the way ?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 25, 2014, 04:39:30 pm

I funded the whole thing of course.
Although I'd be interested in what it was as well.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 04:44:24 pm

Agartha (Biowraith) and Midgard (USEC_OFFICER) did a joint attack against me.  I think I would have been able to handle one of them (Maybe) once I moved my troops back from the east, but they both attacked me at the same time, so it's pretty hopeless.

Bleh, I made a ton of mistakes.  Hopefully next time I will do much better.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 25, 2014, 05:05:12 pm

Spoiler: Boo! (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/9H2nyoA.jpg)

Hahahahahaha. Sorry to scare you like that. Oh, wait, no I'm not. The great god 3Spooky5Me, Tamer of Demons, King of Disease, Lord of Fruit Trees and Eater of Children (though they're still alive afterwards) does declare war on your unholy nation in conjunction with the great god Biowrath, King of Ashes, God of this World, Guardian of the Dead. Etc, etc.

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 04:44:24 pm

Agartha (Biowraith) and Midgard (USEC_OFFICER) did a joint attack against me.  I think I would have been able to handle one of them (Maybe) once I moved my troops back from the east, but they both attacked me at the same time, so it's pretty hopeless.

Bleh, I made a ton of mistakes.  Hopefully next time I will do much better.

Very debatable. Though honestly I can't see how you could have done much better. Just the position you're in, you know?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 25, 2014, 05:17:41 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 04:44:24 pm

Agartha (Biowraith) and Midgard (USEC_OFFICER) did a joint attack against me.

I was going to just defend the chokepoints, but then I realised you could attack them from that throne province!

I'll be sure to guard the dead Bogarusians though.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 08:17:04 pm

Wait, did you or didn't you co-ordinate this duel attack?  Or was it just bad luck on my part?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 25, 2014, 08:21:41 pm

...

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 25, 2014, 05:05:12 pm

The great god 3Spooky5Me, -snip- does declare war on your unholy nation in conjunction with the great god Biowrath.

So yeah, it was co-ordinated. We even had a time-table and everything.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on May 26, 2014, 01:14:10 am

Yeah, coordinated.  My army really was just there to defend the border to start with though - the agreement to a joint invasion came afterwards.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 26, 2014, 02:07:54 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 08:17:04 pm

[...]duel[...]

Why is this mistake so popular?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 26, 2014, 06:57:45 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 26, 2014, 02:07:54 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 08:17:04 pm

[...]duel[...]

Why is this mistake so popular?

Shush.

And I re-iterate my previous statement:  You guys are dicks.

However, I have to say, well played.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 26, 2014, 09:48:42 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 26, 2014, 06:57:45 am

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 26, 2014, 02:07:54 am

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 25, 2014, 08:17:04 pm

[...]duel[...]

Why is this mistake so popular?

Shush.

And I re-iterate my previous statement:  You guys are dicks.

However, I have to say, well played.

It's times like these that I wish there were custom pretender titles.

I would have gone for "Spinner of the wheel of dickery"

Its like the wheel of fate, except with phallus rather than fortune.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 26, 2014, 09:56:06 am

But then 3Spooky5Me wouldn't be lord of the fruit trees or eat children (but not in that way).

I will admit that most of the times the titles are just kinda there. Useful for only figuring out what the other player took on their pretender and then ignored for the rest of the game.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 26, 2014, 11:57:06 am

Now i feel the need to play a mod that makes titles give special powers to pretender.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 27, 2014, 03:38:37 pm

God damn my research is slow.
I really fucked up in that regard. I wish I had some way to judge how far I'm behind.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 27, 2014, 03:46:44 pm

...

How far are you research-wise? _{Also LA Ulm is a research power-house, so don't feel too bad.}

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 27, 2014, 04:17:04 pm

133rp per turn. That's pathetic, right?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 27, 2014, 04:46:01 pm

Er... Depends on how many of your mages are fighting I guess.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 27, 2014, 05:04:19 pm

None so far, but the majority of my fortresses is occupied with getting my STR mages.
Guess I'll supercharge my research once I have a decent amount.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 27, 2014, 05:09:58 pm

Ah. Okay then. Yeah, StR mages are pretty much shit for research. Even Bogarus's RP heavy Scarlets are kinda medicore.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 27, 2014, 06:40:48 pm

I am not going down without a hell of a fight!  I know I lost this, I just have to make sure you guys lose this too!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 27, 2014, 07:38:14 pm

Says the guy with his only fort being beseiged...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 27, 2014, 08:58:12 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 27, 2014, 07:38:14 pm

Says the guy with his only fort being beseiged...

SILENCE!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 27, 2014, 09:00:48 pm

Fun fact: I hadn't actually looked at the new turn when I posted that. So if you had managed to break out... :P

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 28, 2014, 04:27:55 pm

Your Iron Blizzard is fucking annoying and I don't know how to deal with it other than drawing my pretender into those battles.
No matter, this isn't going badly yet.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 28, 2014, 04:30:55 pm

It's a shame the map isn't wraparound.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 28, 2014, 04:40:31 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 28, 2014, 04:27:55 pm

Your Iron Blizzard is fucking annoying and I don't know how to deal with it other than drawing my pretender into those battles.
No matter, this isn't going badly yet.

When only tool you have is Iron Blizzard, everything starts to look like uh... magical creature. And i'm starting to suspect my vampire counts were lobotomized before revival.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 28, 2014, 04:42:17 pm

Eh, to be fair each casting of Iron Blizzard is like the fire from an archer squad or two. Probably not the best use of resources, but still rather effective and damaging.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 28, 2014, 05:15:42 pm

Not to mention that all of my research until now has been completely wrong.
~180 hours played and I don't know shit about this game.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 28, 2014, 05:44:51 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 28, 2014, 05:15:42 pm

Not to mention that all of my research until now has been completely wrong.
~180 hours played and I don't know shit about this game.

Yeah I keep changing my mind on what I want to go for. I have like 4 different schools at 4 now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 03:36:57 am

Well I may have a counter for that annoying spell now, sort of.

Also I can't remember what you had in that fortress, I really hope it's not something that will fuck me up and make me lose the game.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: HopFlash on May 29, 2014, 02:55:33 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 03:36:57 am

Also I can't remember what you had in that fortress, I really hope it's not something that will fuck me up and make me lose the game.

you could attack with a scout or something that can retreat fast enough. Then you have a relative good view of what awaits you.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on May 29, 2014, 03:01:02 pm

You're really overestimating my abilities here. If i had something like that i'd probably use it before you broke the walls heh. Also i probably should have started moving my researcher hordes into the fight earlier...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 03:23:09 pm

Quote from: HopFlash on May 29, 2014, 02:55:33 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 03:36:57 am

Also I can't remember what you had in that fortress, I really hope it's not something that will fuck me up and make me lose the game.

you could attack with a scout or something that can retreat fast enough. Then you have a relative good view of what awaits you.

I'm aware, but I didn't want to waste a turn on that.

Quote from: Antur on May 29, 2014, 03:01:02 pm

You're really overestimating my abilities here. If i had something like that i'd probably use it before you broke the walls heh. Also i probably should have started moving my researcher hordes into the fight earlier...

I wasn't sure if you didn't have a ~100 units holed up there. Towers, magic and a chokepoint can beat several times bigger armies.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 29, 2014, 05:54:23 pm

Damn, my best attempt got completely destroyed.  Oh man, I don't know what I am doing.  Oh well, setting myself to be computer controlled, there is no way I can win at this point.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 05:59:37 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 29, 2014, 05:54:23 pm

Damn, my best attempt got completely destroyed.  Oh man, I don't know what I am doing.  Oh well, setting myself to be computer controlled, there is no way I can win at this point.

You can fight to the last. AI sucks.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 06:07:55 pm

Quote from: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 05:59:37 pm

You can fight to the last. AI sucks.

Unless I'm mistaken, he's literally down to a province full of birds and a couple dudes hundling in his capital. Not the best of the best you have to admit.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 06:55:54 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 06:07:55 pm

Quote from: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 05:59:37 pm

You can fight to the last. AI sucks.

Unless I'm mistaken, he's literally down to a province full of birds and a couple dudes hundling in his capital. Not the best of the best you have to admit.

Then here's what he does:

1. Start his turn
2. gather EVERYTHING he has left
3. Play "Don't Stop Believing" in the background
4. Die standing!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 07:03:38 pm

I believe that's what he did last turn. Still working on part 4 though.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on May 29, 2014, 08:03:25 pm

yeah that's exactly what I did.  I got all my troops together and did a glorious charge, then got my ass handed to me.  It was pretty embarrassing.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 08:15:18 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 29, 2014, 08:03:25 pm

yeah that's exactly what I did.  I got all my troops together and did a glorious charge, then got my ass handed to me.  It was pretty embarrassing.

WELL OF COURSE YOU GOT DESTROYED! YOU DIDN'T PLAY THE MUSIC!

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 08:21:41 pm

Quote from: Puzzlemaker on May 29, 2014, 08:03:25 pm

yeah that's exactly what I did.  I got all my troops together and did a glorious charge, then got my ass handed to me.  It was pretty embarrassing.

Eh, don't feel too bad. Out of my 100+ Skinshifters at your gates, only 25~ lack afflictions. Most of them are pretty crippled and horrible mangled, actually.

...

My other armies are perfectly fine though.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on May 29, 2014, 11:54:54 pm

Now to deal with that asshole that just backstabbed your ally.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on May 30, 2014, 04:56:07 am

Oops. Didn't know reverse communions do not work.

Won't try that again :P

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on May 31, 2014, 05:20:10 am

I think I just had the main part of my army set on "Guard Commander" because I've been putting them under my pretender and he had a small squad guarding him.
They've been doing fuck all for the whole battle.

Well I guess that's game over for me, due to such a stupid mistake. Pretender dead, most of my mages dead, most of my armies dead.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 02:16:45 pm

So what am I supposed to do with this game?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on June 02, 2014, 02:25:52 pm

Learn to be a gorilla fighter with very limited resources. Fight to the end, taking as many of the bastards with you as you can. Fill your cap with cheap crap and force your enemies to siege you forever, if you want mutual dismay :P

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 02, 2014, 02:27:37 pm

Alternatively: Work some diplomacy and get some of your neighbours to bail you out.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 02:38:06 pm

I may go with a). It may be a good idea for Caeloum to try to get a piece of my lands as long as there are any left.
I don't deserve b) since it was a stupid fucking mistake and I don't deserve to be bailed out for it. Even if I was bailed out I'd have to play for the rest of the game with a self-inflicted handicap.

My first impulse after seeing that insanity was to just go AI, but that would have been rude. I'll stick around for a while longer and fight back, but I've pretty much given up on this game. Looking at my pretender would just haunt me.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on June 02, 2014, 02:51:43 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 02:38:06 pm

My first impulse after seeing that insanity was to just go AI, but that would have been rude.

I knew you were a good person. A decent person. An amiable person.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.gyazo.com/a85d4290e46949b2fb2fabf910c728bc.png)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 02:59:38 pm

Well I've been dragging the whole thing out a bit, since I had to deal with some personal stuff recently and didn't want to deal with the ingame suicide I did here.
I'll try to take my turns more swiftly now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on June 02, 2014, 03:34:33 pm

Eh, your situation is not that bad. I was barely holding before that guard commander mistake. Also just wasted 40 blood slaves that could have gone into shiny new vampire. Conclusion: Horde from Hell is not worth the cost.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 03:49:18 pm

I know, which makes the whole situation a lot more depressing.
I guess I could survive as a small subject state of somebody, but that isn't my style. It would also take way too long and too many resources to recover from that blunder.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on June 03, 2014, 06:50:06 am

So I am assuming my stuff has been gonedified?  Ah well.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 03, 2014, 06:53:43 am

Technically not yet. My werewolves haven't stormed Bogarus yet. Though they are going to soon.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on June 03, 2014, 11:02:39 am

Yeah, I should have focused more on magic as Bogarus.  They don't have any really good troops, just good fodder.

Their sacreds all have stealth and cause unrest, which is interesting.  Their starets also are pretty good, with a wide range of magic.  Most of their mages have really good research as well.

Some of their sacreds also have blood magic too.  I feel like I should have gone the blood magic route with Bogarus.  Anyone have any suggestions for playing them? 

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 03, 2014, 05:07:08 pm

Jomon, do you want to keep going? Or do you want me to set you to AI?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on June 03, 2014, 05:10:13 pm

Mercs are great for expanding, considering your own troops are terrible. You'll also probably want to get an awake pretender for even more expansion, and to counter any rushes by other SCs/horrifying blessed critters. Eventually you'll need to rely on your own troops - I've had some success with using the grand princes / veliki knyazi (wonder if that's the correct plural form) with some +leadership/inspiration items, it really helps with the terrible morale. Depending on what you need, you'll want to consider carefully what troops you recruit - only the peshtsi spearmen have map movement 2. It's really, really slow to use the peasants or the slower peshtsi.

The real power of Bogarus is in its mages, though, and that power is incredible. It's not completely unjustified to call for people to rush Bogarus before it grows too strong (that's why you have the SC pretender). The power is in massing evocations and having the communion potential to cast pretty much anything outside of nature and water spells, considering all your mages have astral levels (save for the five-fold angels, but they can join your communion anyway if you really need them to). A quick and easy way to get powerful mages is to go for Evocation 4 for Thunder Strike and thaumaturgy for communions - presto, you can now use your astrapelagists for the rest of the game to destroy most things. Other spells include (but not limited to) magma eruption, nether darts, pillar of fire, flame storm, shimmering fields... You can pretty much do anything you dream up, as long as you have enough forts and money to pump out those mages.

Blood is amazing for Bogarus, I think, since it offers both a way to skip sites for magical income (it can get really ugly) and a way to summon all sorts of actually good troops and commanders to thug/cast with. It also makes an already powerful late game into a potentially ridiculous late game. You'll want to hunt in provinces with populations ranging from 5000-8000, since that's where the population is just high enough not to damage your chances to find blood slaves, and not too high that your income would plummet from the quickly rising unrest. You'll probably want to hunt with your cabalists, since the five-fold angels are pretty expensive, and a bit harder to leverage into a force to actually do battle with. Of course, if you've got a good lump of fivefold angels, you can shut down forts with unrest from instilling an uprising and the native unrest increase... but yeah, that's up to you to consider in whatever strategic circumstance you find yourself in.

I'm not a very good guide, sorry.

PS. You should really study the stuff on communions in the manual. If you don't, you'll probably lose a lot of mages to silliness (I know I did), to stuff like mixing slaves with paths X with masters with paths Y - if the master is casting in paths that the slave either doesn't have or isn't good enough in, there's a massive penalty of 4X fatigue, which really goes counter with what communions are supposed to do.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Puzzlemaker on June 03, 2014, 08:53:39 pm

Yeah, I don't fully understand communions though.  But thanks for the guide, that actually helped!  I'll have to play around in singleplayer a bit to get a feel for them.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 04, 2014, 04:55:12 am

Quote from: moghopper on June 03, 2014, 05:07:08 pm

Jomon, do you want to keep going? Or do you want me to set you to AI?

I wouldn't want to dissapoint anyone, but on the other hand I've gives up on winning, which is the only thing you strive for in this game.
We could, if the other players don't mind.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 04, 2014, 12:43:31 pm

Well, either that or we skip your turn.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 04, 2014, 12:57:13 pm

Well I guess you can go ahead them.
I hope the other players don't mind.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 04, 2014, 01:25:44 pm

Quote from: Mindmaker on June 04, 2014, 12:57:13 pm

Well I guess you can go ahead them.
I hope the other players don't mind.

Looks like you have to set it to AI.
Turns out the option to do so on llamaserver does nothing...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: tompliss on June 04, 2014, 02:08:58 pm

yay, let's have armies mass at my border :(

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 04, 2014, 02:15:38 pm

Quote from: tompliss on June 04, 2014, 02:08:58 pm

yay, let's have armies mass at my border :(

What you didn't know is that those troops are FULL OF CANDY!


Also, lessons learned thus far:

1. I failed to use mage power at all for combat, and this has cost me a great deal in the conflict with patala. Next time, communions everywhere.

2. Marignon needs to FOCUS its research. I've been to indecisive with this, and it has bit me in the ass.

3. I still hate monkey nations

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 05, 2014, 07:55:43 pm

Aw yes. Bogarus is finally defeated!

Spoiler: Party Time! (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/QyXmVBG.jpg)

Of course more than half of my forces are horribly maimed and mangled, but... at least I finally beat them?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on June 06, 2014, 12:04:36 am

Looks like it's time for gift of health if you have the research.

In unrelated news who wants to pool astrals for a dispel?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: lijacote on June 06, 2014, 12:07:44 am

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on June 05, 2014, 07:55:43 pm

Aw yes. Bogarus is finally defeated!

Spoiler: Party Time! (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/QyXmVBG.jpg)

Of course more than half of my forces are horribly maimed and mangled, but... at least I finally beat them?

My kin... I will come to liberate you after I am done liberating the people in Peliwyr. Random Generated Map Mark 3, you are next!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/QwD8JBp.jpg)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Biowraith on June 06, 2014, 07:31:08 am

Well, it seems I'm really quite bad at this.
(which I kinda expected)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 06, 2014, 09:16:11 am

Quote from: Gimhalos on June 06, 2014, 12:04:36 am

Looks like it's time for gift of health if you have the research.

I'm Midgard. Even if I had the magic paths I wouldn't have the gems.

Quote from: lijacote on June 06, 2014, 12:07:44 am

My kin... I will come to liberate you after I am done liberating the people in Peliwyr. Random Generated Map Mark 3, you are next!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/QwD8JBp.jpg)

I'm sorry, but when you come to Random Generated Map Mark 3 you'll find that your kin have been turned into spooky, spooky skeletons. I guarantee it.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Gimhalos on June 07, 2014, 04:25:39 am

Wow I really need to be more careful with my communions. I've lost like 4-5 mages so far this game from bumping the 200 fatigue mark and killing them off. This time to PD. Worst part is only 1/4 of my smiths have that needed astral level.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Antur on June 10, 2014, 01:48:39 pm

Anyone wants to trade some shinies around ? Got green and purple for sale, alternatively some magic items. Could use portable bipedal blood containers or earth/fire gems.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 10, 2014, 02:35:41 pm

Patala, what the hell happened to your naga army at my territory? It just... disappeared...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: Empty on June 11, 2014, 11:49:22 am

Quote from: moghopper on June 10, 2014, 02:35:41 pm

Patala, what the hell happened to your naga army at my territory? It just... disappeared...

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 11, 2014, 01:33:05 pm

Quote from: Empty on June 11, 2014, 11:49:22 am

Quote from: moghopper on June 10, 2014, 02:35:41 pm

Patala, what the hell happened to your naga army at my territory? It just... disappeared...

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

Well, thats good to hear. I thought it might have been a bug...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 12, 2014, 06:22:14 am

I'm pretty much can't complete my turn today, so can I get a 24h extension? That would be absolutely wonderful.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: moghopper on June 12, 2014, 12:00:15 pm

Quote from: USEC_OFFICER on June 12, 2014, 06:22:14 am

I'm pretty much can't complete my turn today, so can I get a 24h extension? That would be absolutely wonderful.

Sure

Edit: actually, the turn is do tomorrow night anyways.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 13, 2014, 12:08:56 pm

Spoiler: Oh, T'ien Ch'i (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/wISJ8on.png)

PREPARE YOUR DIDDY-HOLE. Nobody attacks our allies and gets away with it! _{Certain terms and restrictions apply.}

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 (Noob Game) (Full)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 14, 2014, 03:03:51 pm

Yeah, double posts. Anyways, I'm going to be disappearing from the forums for a while, and I have no idea how long. And since I'm also not going to be able to do Doms stuff... I don't know. I have no idea how long I'm going to be gone, so do whatever. Maybe find a temp sub or something, it's up to you. I honestly don't care too much.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 16, 2014, 08:59:38 am

Anyone willing to take over midgard?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: tompliss on June 16, 2014, 01:26:54 pm

Should we rollback to wait for a Sub ?
And as nobody came up here, going to the Desura or the Dom4mods forums for a sub may be a good idea...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 16, 2014, 01:53:34 pm

Quote from: tompliss on June 16, 2014, 01:26:54 pm

Should we rollback to wait for a Sub ?
And as nobody came up here, going to the Desura or the Dom4mods forums for a sub may be a good idea...

Not really sure...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Antur on June 16, 2014, 01:54:47 pm

Hope we get a sub.
Midgard's kinda superpower right now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 16, 2014, 01:56:55 pm

Quote from: Antur on June 16, 2014, 01:54:47 pm

Hope we get a sub.
Midgard's kinda superpower right now.

And the last thing we want is an AI.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Gimhalos on June 16, 2014, 04:33:02 pm

Mmm might be good to take turn limit off for now then. I'll be moving across the country Wednesday so I'll be going a few days without internet. Maybe aim to resume by the end of the week with a sub?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 16, 2014, 04:38:23 pm

Quote from: Gimhalos on June 16, 2014, 04:33:02 pm

Mmm might be good to take turn limit off for now then. I'll be moving across the country Wednesday so I'll be going a few days without internet. Maybe aim to resume by the end of the week with a sub?

The game isn't responding to my password anymore.

Would this have to do with the trouble last week?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 16, 2014, 04:46:13 pm

You can send a mail to the server administrator and explain the situation. He should fix it up when he gets round to it. He's pretty good with support stuff, I had some password issues when we started 402 and he fixed it real quick.
The mailing address should be found at the end of each llamaserver mail you receive.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 16, 2014, 05:36:12 pm

Quote from: Delta Foxtrot on June 16, 2014, 04:46:13 pm

You can send a mail to the server administrator and explain the situation. He should fix it up when he gets round to it. He's pretty good with support stuff, I had some password issues when we started 402 and he fixed it real quick.
The mailing address should be found at the end of each llamaserver mail you receive.

Thanks, I'll do that now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 17, 2014, 09:34:44 am

Welp, he fixed it for me.

I have postponed the hosting date.  Turns are now due in 10000 hours :P August 10th.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Gimhalos on June 17, 2014, 02:58:33 pm

Awesome. Are we rolling back a turn or just going with it? I can probably get a turn in before I leave tomorrow to keep the game going if you find a sub.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 17, 2014, 03:28:43 pm

Quote from: Gimhalos on June 17, 2014, 02:58:33 pm

Awesome. Are we rolling back a turn or just going with it? I can probably get a turn in before I leave tomorrow to keep the game going if you find a sub.

Just rolling with it now.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 21, 2014, 09:07:04 pm

So... I'm kinda back, but my urge to play Dominions is pretty low, actually. So what exactly should we be doing then?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 24, 2014, 06:39:50 pm

Dunno. Is everyone good to start again?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 24, 2014, 06:55:36 pm

I'm not. I would vastly prefer to be subbed out than keep playing, sorry.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 25, 2014, 08:06:46 pm

Maybe we should call it then?

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Biowraith on June 26, 2014, 12:46:04 am

I'll quite happily continue and fight to the bitter end... but I'd not object to calling it either - I'm well on my way to being wiped out at this point, it's just a question of how long til my invader gets around to finishing me off.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 26, 2014, 08:53:59 am

It depends on everyone else. I know that ending the game because I don't want to play is a dick move but... I honestly don't want to play anymore. If we get a sub that would be amazing, but otherwise I guess we can end.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Shadowlord on June 26, 2014, 12:43:20 pm

Or are you ending because the map placed some players in terrible start positions and others in great ones? (I looked back through the thread, because I was wondering why it would be "ending" so fast without an actual victory)

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on June 26, 2014, 02:30:42 pm

Quote from: Shadowlord on June 26, 2014, 12:43:20 pm

Or are you ending because the map placed some players in terrible start positions and others in great ones? (I looked back through the thread, because I was wondering why it would be "ending" so fast without an actual victory)

It was pretty unfair, but I want to hear what others want to do.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Gimhalos on June 26, 2014, 08:44:26 pm

I'm cool with whatever. I'm in a good position so it would be fun to continue but since the whole game for me hinges on my war with Midgard, I could be totally shafted if we get an experienced sub.

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: tompliss on June 27, 2014, 08:44:36 am

I don't mind not continuing.
Made many mistakes, and am now the main target of the already-IA Jomon, which is not really fun to battle against...

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: Antur on June 27, 2014, 09:09:55 am

I suppose we can end this sooner i suppose. I live on midgards good will mostly anyway. And moving alaves is starting to be a pain and it only will get worse ( never gonna go blood nations in mp if i can avoid it again).

Title: Re: Dom 4 Round 4.05 Sub Needed
Post by: moghopper on July 01, 2014, 02:44:46 pm

Since not much is happening, We'll call the game done with.

How about:

No one was victorious, the rampant magic let loose upon the world and changed the land into Equestria, land of ponies and friendship.