Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 02:43:16 am
Game name: Bay12GamesRound406 (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound406)
Map: Cradle of Dominion (With Sailors) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byr7Mo6tvwe5WUw2Y0Y3UUVSUTQ/edit?usp=sharing)
Mods: Worthy Heroes v1.21 (http://llamaserver.net/burnsaber/dom4mods/), Sailor Site Mod (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byr7Mo6tvwe5LWYwZk01RzA5ZzQ/edit?usp=sharing)
Era: Early Era
Disciples: No
Time allowance: TBD
Special site frequency: 50
Random event frequency: Common
Score graphs: no
Hall of Fame: 15
Artifact forging limit : limited
Thrones: 12 lvl1, 4 lvl2, 13 points needed
Renaming: allowed
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List of Players (13) :
TomPliss - Niefelheim
HopFlash - Pangaea
Mindmaker - Abysia
Shadowlord - Machaka
moghopper - Mictlan
lijacote - R'lyeh
Antur - Arcoscephale
Biowraith - Helheim
AlStar - Fomoria
LongDongSilver - Yomi
Il Palazzo - Kailasa
Ragnoff - Ulm
RexMundi - Berytos
Spoiler: Pretenders (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Previous rounds (Dom3 & 4) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Standard info on Dominions 4 for the uninitiated (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: How does PBEM work? (click to show/hide)
Useful links:
Dom4 forums on Desura (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum)
Link to Edi's Dom4 Database (http://www.llamaserver.net/edi/dom4/dom4_db/dom4_db_403.zip)
An archived snapshot of the Dom3 wiki (http://web.archive.org/web/20130118162532/http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page): Yes, it's still relevant, and it hasn't been replaced yet, so... It has loads of useful information, including strategy guides. Keep in mind that while a lot of this information is still very useful and valid, a lot of it is entirely out-of-date.
Llama Server (http://llamaserver.net/): the automatic hosting server for our game.
Llama Server's map and mod browser (http://www.llamaserver.net/createDom4Game.cgi) (Yes, it's not really a browser, but you can browse the maps and mods here)
Text stolen from Delta Foxtrot who stole it from E. Albright who stole it from Akhier the Dragon hearted who stole it from ScriptWolf who stole if from Il Palazzo :P ( with his say so ), and scantly updated for Dom4 by the
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Ok guys, all beginners/intermediate are welcome, and all the players from 4.03 are expected to come back here for a revenge on me :D
Post by: HopFlash on May 29, 2014, 02:49:22 am
my settings suggestions:
Renaming: on
Hall of Fame: 15
Mods: only Worthy Heroes
Special sites: standard
random events: standard
for all other things I open
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 03:19:14 am
Map: I would prefer a non-random map, even if the specific map should depend on the nations chosen.
Mods: I would say Worthy heroes (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=1759) is a must (as it rebalances every nations, so that they can all benefit from heroes), and I'm clearly not against the Expanded underwater pretender (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/expanded-underwater-pretender-mod) that gives the (poor) amphibian tag to some pretender so the UW nations have more choice, especially in the non-water-magic field.
Era: Early Era was fun, let's go with it again ?
Disciples: No
Time allowance: 30 hours as before ?
Special site frequency: 40 ? just for the sake of having just a bit more than deault :D
Random event frequency: common (to get some nice things going)
Score graphs: I don't mind those on, but I don't care that much..
Hall of Fame: 15 as default ? was good that way before ...
Artifact forging limit y/n?: limited ? not that it changed many things in the previous games ! :D
Thrones: I would say I proved 1 per nation is the minimum here, with 2/3 needed to win ?
Renaming: yes, let's allow some fun names ! c:
and as far as nations go, I would tend to go for Niefelheim...
Post by: HopFlash on May 29, 2014, 03:50:30 am
Mods: UW nations are suspect for me so I don't know if this mod is good
Thrones: some more as in our last game...if I had known things like now our game has been ended in turn 20 or so...it was too easy to get all thrones. [Edit] I mean victory conditions for thrones.
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 04:01:34 am
Mods: UW nations are suspect for me so I don't know if this mod is goodWell, the bad side of underwater nation is their pretender selection (http://puu.sh/95XqM/d4f906416f.jpg) : 14 for EA Oceania (the largest EA pool), of which 3 are purely aquatic, and the dragon only has its human form as amphibian...
The mod let some UW nations use some of the innately amphibian pretenders, and share some of the "nationnal" pretender between the nations, when they're not that specific.
Post by: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 05:12:56 am
I like random, but please make it at least some sort of wraparound map if it has to be a predefined map.
Post by: Shadowlord on May 29, 2014, 05:37:45 am
Post by: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 06:56:29 am
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 08:03:44 am
If it's EA: Marverni
If it's MA: Pythium
Post by: Shadowlord on May 29, 2014, 08:51:47 am
Post by: lijacote on May 29, 2014, 09:39:10 am
I'd also note that 40 is lower than what the game has for site frequency in EA (sources claim 45 is the default for EA, with 5 less for each successive age). As for the other settings, I'm fine with most anything as long as graphs aren't on :P We can probably figure out what would be best once we have a full game (do we even have an idea on how many people we want?)
Something (http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/) that I brought up in my own starting post for 403. It's a great resource for checking out... well, pretty much everything in the game. Units, spells, items, magic sites and sorting by path, school, booster, resource/gold cost et cetera. Definitely worth a look if you want to take a glance at what you'd like to play.
Post by: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 09:42:27 am
MA and LA are a different matter.
Post by: lijacote on May 29, 2014, 09:44:45 am
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 09:48:42 am
PS : 50 for sites is good then, was basing it on LA ._.
Post by: Antur on May 29, 2014, 10:03:01 am
And 4.05 province connections made me bit wary of random maps.
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 10:09:35 am
Well, It's commonly admitted that EA Marveni is pretty weak as well, and we still have players for it...
PS : 50 for sites is good then, was basing it on LA ._.
People just don't know how to use Marverni right. It's all about superior numbers. Say I was fighting 20 Hinnom Giants. Normally the will destry an army of about 50-60 dudes, but I can easily send 150+. Add to this the fact that my base unit has javelins, and others can go berserk, those giants ain't coming back.
As for late game... If I get there, you will see just what Marverni can do.
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 10:24:35 am
With 8-10 players, we would need a nice map ...
If we agree on a non-random wrap-around map, I would suggest Peliwyr (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/peliwyr-12718-wraparound) (the 4.02 map).
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 10:28:16 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 10:35:55 am
So, what's the era we're (tentatively) playing in?
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 10:36:32 am
[EDIT] I added the nation list to the player list in the first post ;)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 10:38:58 am
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 10:47:18 am
They have good troops and Jaguar warriors mulch most enemies, add a good bless and kill kill kill.
Another good choice: Atlantis/Pelagia
EA R'lyeh blows IMHO. You could dominate the seas pretty easy.
Post by: lijacote on May 29, 2014, 10:48:53 am
I'm... also about to ask something. I'd like to play a custom pretender. It's mostly because the demilich is a god damned ugly mess of a thing and the Thronebound Lich (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/demilich-replacement-mod) is infinitely more inspiring and in line with the new balance of Dominions 4. I mean, just compare the two sprites. Augh! That said, it's a pretty fierce immobile rainbow with access to cheap high death, not to mention the gemgen. If people don't want to let the polyps have their sweet friend, that's ok. Thought I'd ask before trying to crack the game and replace the sprite :p
On Moghopper's note: I'd advice against playing two water nations on Peliwyr. I can cede R'lyeh if someone else wants to play a water nation, though.
Post by: moghopper on May 29, 2014, 10:52:10 am
Edit: Pretender is ready as well.
ALL PRAISE PROSTATE CANCER!
Post by: Mindmaker on May 29, 2014, 11:10:13 am
Now I'll just have to think about pretender design.
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 11:43:07 am
When you compare it to the master lich, it has
+ higher dominion
+ lower cost
+ lower path cost
+ bit higher precision
+ higher elemental resist
+ Invulnerability (and 30, higher than Virtue or the Vamp queen)
+ 5 gems per turn
- Immobility
- lower leadersheep
- lower protection
So yeah, I know being immobile is a big downside, but 5 gems per turn from the begining of the game, combined to the low base cost and high dominion means that you get 78 bonus points if you brign your dominion power to 6 (and you should at least take that, with high dominion spreading nations around)...
Post by: lijacote on May 29, 2014, 12:28:49 pm
edit: ha HA! I have found my pretender.
Post by: Biowraith on May 29, 2014, 02:20:22 pm
Ok guys, all beginners/intermediate are welcomeIs there still room for another beginner, or is the game at capacity?
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 02:28:33 pm
Post by: HopFlash on May 29, 2014, 02:39:03 pm
Now that we all are way more experience than before ;)
Post by: tompliss on May 29, 2014, 02:40:22 pm
this is is pretty much a noob-game too, even if there are a few players that are more intermediate...
Post by: Biowraith on May 29, 2014, 02:47:07 pm
(I'm not married to that choice though, will happily change if someone else really wants it or game doesn't end up EA).
Post by: Shadowlord on May 29, 2014, 04:00:47 pm
Post by: HopFlash on May 29, 2014, 06:05:47 pm
Post by: AlStar on May 29, 2014, 09:27:56 pm
So, if you're not averse to someone who doesn't know their ass from their elbows, I'd be happy to join in!
Post by: LongDongSilver on May 29, 2014, 09:42:07 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 29, 2014, 09:48:35 pm
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 01:51:40 am
we're at 10 players, now (in 2 days), so I think I'll keep this a bit open until sunday, then we should fix our nations and decide the settings.
don't hesitate to name anything until then, about those, as only Early Era is decided, for now ;)
AlStar, most of us are noobs in the game, having played only 1 or 2 multiplayer Dominions games (included the 4.03 round that just finished and was quite short), so don't worry about making mistakes : we'll all do some ! :D
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 30, 2014, 04:28:25 am
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 04:45:59 am
Is he noob enough to play with us ?
We would now be 11 players.
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 30, 2014, 05:11:17 am
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 05:30:23 am
And playing against noobs opponents may not be real fun either. It's your choice anyway, and I guess you could play a "bad nation", if you wanted to.
Post by: Ragnoff on May 30, 2014, 06:12:16 am
I would LOVE to play in the game, and would like EA Ulm (I think that is still open, I don't remember seeing it requested).
Anyways it is nice to meet everyone and if there is room hope to join you all in some pretender fun!
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 06:20:02 am
I added you to the player list.
We're at 12 now, and it may be the limit if we want to stay on Peliwyr (with just a bit more than 10 provinces per player).
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 30, 2014, 06:47:57 am
Since Ulm has been sneakily snatched away while I wasn't looking, I'll take Kailasa.
Post by: AlStar on May 30, 2014, 06:58:01 am
AlStar, most of us are noobs in the game, having played only 1 or 2 multiplayer Dominions games (included the 4.03 round that just finished and was quite short), so don't worry about making mistakes : we'll all do some ! :D
Great - I'll take Fomoria, since 1) it looks like it's currently free, and 2) it's what I'm currently playing on my test game vs the AI, so I kind of have an idea what I'm getting into.
Post by: Ashsaber on May 30, 2014, 12:39:54 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 30, 2014, 12:41:56 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 30, 2014, 12:50:19 pm
I'm going to say no to another another round. Especially if it's not EA.
Post by: lijacote on May 30, 2014, 01:16:47 pm
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 01:30:45 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on May 30, 2014, 02:44:25 pm
Post by: moghopper on May 30, 2014, 02:45:51 pm
Very roomy
Post by: lijacote on May 30, 2014, 02:53:04 pm
Peliwyr seems pretty nice to me, although I still don't understand why I can sometimes cross rivers/lakes and sometimes can't and the line is always blue whether I can or can't... except on maps where I always can, where it's orange...
There's three kinds of connections between provinces. The normal kind where you can cross any time, the blue kind where you can only cross if you can navigate the river (if it's cold scales on both sides, if you're amphibious/aquatic, or if you have flying). Then there's the mountain pass connection, where you can only cross if you have flying, cold resistance 5, or if both provinces have heat scales. I think that might have been brown, but I'm not sure.
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 02:54:43 pm
On the other hand, it's not wraparound.
Oh, and I don't like its "port" concept that much.
I mean, it decrease the meaning of sailing nations... I think it would even be better with fixed sailing commanders recruitables instead (and that would limit transport of elephants across the seas).
Post by: lijacote on May 30, 2014, 03:05:01 pm
better with fixed sailing commanders recruitables instead (and that would limit transport of elephants across the seas).
That's a very cool idea. A bit like hiring a captain.
Post by: HopFlash on May 30, 2014, 03:08:42 pm
That will be a nice competition ;)
@tompliss
can you change my choice from Ermor to Pangaea in the OP? Not that someone trains for it and hasn't read every posting.
Post by: Shadowlord on May 30, 2014, 03:28:38 pm
Heheheheheh.
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 03:32:41 pm
Anyway, if the captain modification is easily done, I may do it myself (after all, I have the week-end to do it ^^' ).
HopFlash : modified it ;)
Post by: Ragnoff on May 30, 2014, 03:57:57 pm
Ragnoff
Post by: HopFlash on May 30, 2014, 03:58:33 pm
Post by: tompliss on May 30, 2014, 04:08:10 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 30, 2014, 04:38:35 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on May 30, 2014, 08:49:18 pm
Post by: HopFlash on May 31, 2014, 02:52:47 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on May 31, 2014, 03:07:00 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 31, 2014, 03:41:52 pm
I think I'd prefer the random event frequency to be what it normally is, rather than common. It seems plenty often to me.
Random events are common by default in MP, it's what you had in 4.03 as well.
Post by: Shadowlord on May 31, 2014, 03:45:48 pm
Post by: tompliss on May 31, 2014, 05:00:05 pm
Would you like to play on a "Cradle of Dominion" map, podified so the Port provinces let you recruit Sailing commanders (and maybe have less Port provinces) ?
I may even add some rapping, but that would take more time.
PS: if someone has experience in mapping, I wouldn't mind some help for the wrapping part.
Post by: lijacote on May 31, 2014, 05:13:07 pm
Post by: tompliss on May 31, 2014, 05:43:19 pm
the problem is that graphically, it would need much more. Especially because the province types on the different borders are totally different (forest and mountains facing the sea).
Post by: HopFlash on May 31, 2014, 05:45:28 pm
Post by: tompliss on May 31, 2014, 05:50:18 pm
In Cradle, it's not that important, as the provinces are bigger in the corners (and a bit at the borders, too), so that they have more links with each-other, to compensate their lack of neighbours in a direction.
Post by: HopFlash on May 31, 2014, 06:11:17 pm
For me we can go for the standard version of this map. It looks big enough and nice enough...I don't need a completly balanced map if you ask me. There are so much different factors than the map. But this is just me so if someone need modifications then its ok too I think.
Post by: LongDongSilver on May 31, 2014, 08:18:08 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 31, 2014, 08:59:05 pm
Oh, I didn't even realize there was another water nation. I think It would be a good idea if I switch to a land nation then. I don't know if having two water nations would work well in a multiplayer game, it feels like that would mess up the games dynamics a bit.
I'm fine with going for a land nation, too -- but if you would leave R'lyeh her seas, that's fine too! I've been itching to play a water nation, especially one that was a little bit gimpy. Either way is fine with me.
Post by: E. Albright on May 31, 2014, 10:44:54 pm
Then there's the mountain pass connection, where you can only cross if you have flying, cold resistance 5, or if both provinces have heat scales. I think that might have been brown, but I'm not sure.
This is actually only half-right. The conditions for traversing mountain-pass borders (i.e., the red/brown ones) is either heat 1+ on both sides, flight, or mountain survival.
Post by: HopFlash on June 01, 2014, 01:07:24 am
The map is large enough for two water nation or not?Oh, I didn't even realize there was another water nation. I think It would be a good idea if I switch to a land nation then. I don't know if having two water nations would work well in a multiplayer game, it feels like that would mess up the games dynamics a bit.
I'm fine with going for a land nation, too -- but if you would leave R'lyeh her seas, that's fine too! I've been itching to play a water nation, especially one that was a little bit gimpy. Either way is fine with me.
With my experiences of the last game it would not too bad if they have some challenge under water. Because it's relative hard to get them down as a land nation I think.
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 01, 2014, 01:35:16 am
In addition, there would be no possibility for 3rd parties to join in due to the whole, "having to breath" thing they have going on, making the war entirely based on skill. Which I lack. So I'd rather not do that.
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 02:26:38 am
The whole water-breath thing is available via multiple items, ut traditionnal units are considered as "poor amphibians", then, having maluses in many stats, and most of the weapons types have no further maluses (piercing, I think).
Thing is, there are already 22 sea provinces, and they're all near one another. It's way too much for a single nation, but it's enough for 2 nations to fight for (especially as, I think, you should have to conquer land provinces to be at the same province number as the land nations).
Anyway, you should confirm whether we have 1 or 2 sea nation soon, as it would need some map modification.
Post by: HopFlash on June 01, 2014, 03:09:49 am
On the contrary :that's nearly what I wanted to say :)
The whole water-breath thing is available via multiple items, ut traditionnal units are considered as "poor amphibians", then, having maluses in many stats, and most of the weapons types have no further maluses (piercing, I think).
Thing is, there are already 22 sea provinces, and they're all near one another. It's way too much for a single nation, but it's enough for 2 nations to fight for (especially as, I think, you should have to conquer land provinces to be at the same province number as the land nations).
if one underwater nation has 22 sea provinces it needs a huge amount of "breathing"-things to have enough firepower only to think about conquering the sea as a land nation. Or am I totally wrong?
I had only conquered the mini sea from tompliss in the other game because he hadn't secure it and I had some undeads. But if he had put 25 PD and some recruits I had to wait way longer for mercenaries, artifacts or a wonder ;)
[Edit] But you shouldn't be forced to an underwater nation you don't want :)
I will find a way to handle this water thing if needed ;)
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 03:22:19 am
Basically, it feels like a land nation have to spend 2 to 3 times the gold/ress to invade a sea province from a sea nation.
And it's quite normal, as the other way around is (to a lesser extend) true.
That's why I don't think having a single water nation for Cradle is a really good thing (especially with 2 sea provinces).
I had a hard tiem getting from a sea to another in Biddyn, because the sea provinces were separated, and Hopflash could get me out of a sea province for long because it was not connected to a sea province with a fort.
In Cradle, all the sea provinces are near one another.
We need at least 2 sea nations, to reduce the number of sea province to a meager 10, or to change map
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 01, 2014, 04:10:09 am
On the contrary :
The whole water-breath thing is available via multiple items, ut traditionnal units are considered as "poor amphibians", then, having maluses in many stats, and most of the weapons types have no further maluses (piercing, I think).
Thing is, there are already 22 sea provinces, and they're all near one another. It's way too much for a single nation, but it's enough for 2 nations to fight for (especially as, I think, you should have to conquer land provinces to be at the same province number as the land nations).
Anyway, you should confirm whether we have 1 or 2 sea nation soon, as it would need some map modification.
There are 199 land tiles, so between 11 land factions it seems like they ought to average about 18 provinces each. And 3 of the 22 water provinces aren't actually connected to the rest of the sea, so there would actually only be 19 provinces available for underwater factions, which seems like it ought to be right in-line with what land factions will get, so it doesn't seem like it would be a problem.
Also, I checked what units Ryleh can recruit in a test game. They are really really gimpy. The large majority of their units cant leave the water, leaving them only their basic infantry and their tramplers for troops, but the only commanders that are able to lead the tramplers on land are their lowest level mages, and potentially their pretender. And mage-wise they can only bring up their lowest level mages, who lose path levels out of the water, so for combat magic they're stuck with only level 1's with a level 2 in water, and they can't summon any land creatures because they all can only be cast on land.
So the advantage is there, but it seems really limited, and frankly Ryleh seems like it desperately needs it to stay relevant.
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 04:43:17 am
I've updated the player list with you and Yomi, and I let it open for 12 hours.
After that, I'll launch create the server on llama, and we'll just have to send the pretenders :)
Post by: lijacote on June 01, 2014, 07:19:15 am
Ah, yes. My bad. This is on page 70 of the manual. (http://www.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf)Then there's the mountain pass connection, where you can only cross if you have flying, cold resistance 5, or if both provinces have heat scales. I think that might have been brown, but I'm not sure.
This is actually only half-right. The conditions for traversing mountain-pass borders (i.e., the red/brown ones) is either heat 1+ on both sides, flight, or mountain survival.
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 12:13:56 pm
Map (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byr7Mo6tvwe5WUw2Y0Y3UUVSUTQ/edit?usp=sharing)
Mod (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byr7Mo6tvwe5LWYwZk01RzA5ZzQ/edit?usp=sharing)
You guys will need to download both, and put the map file in (for windows users) %appdata%\Dominions4\maps\ and extract the content of the mod archive in %appdata%\Dominions4\mods\
You can test it by creating a game, and using the "Cradle of Dominion (With Sailors)" map that should be near the top of the list of the maps : The sailor commanders cost 40g 40 ressources (boats don't appear out of nothing), and they can lead 40 units (up to size 2, human sized).
Post by: Shadowlord on June 01, 2014, 12:19:16 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 12:21:59 pm
And they're biased agaisnt mage-focused and pretender-based armies, as non-sailing comanders can't sail with a sailing commander.
So, I may create the game on llamaserver tonight.
let's check the parameters (with 12 players) :
Map: Cradle of Dominion (modified with sailors)
Mods: Worthy heroes (to add/balance the heroes of all the nations)
Era: Early Era
Disciples: No
Time allowance: 28 hours
Special site frequency: 50 (instead of default 45)
Random event frequency: common
Score graphs: no
Hall of Fame: 15
Artifact forging limit y/n?: Limited
Thrones: 12 lvl1, 4 lvl2, 13 points needed (more than half the thrones, even with all the lvl2).
Renaming: yes
Post by: lijacote on June 01, 2014, 03:14:13 pm
Sailing is really, really powerful, and the nations that have it are very privileged in having it. It shouldn't be so easy to get an expanding/raiding army each out there mauling the seven seas each turn.
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 03:27:02 pm
Maybe I should get the gold price up to 70-100.
But as the sailor commander means that your national commanders don't get to lead their army far away, it may be enough of a disadvantage...
Post by: HopFlash on June 01, 2014, 03:36:54 pm
I second the game parameters.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 01, 2014, 03:42:48 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 01, 2014, 03:47:14 pm
I'm failing to understand why a mage would not be able to get on a boat.
Because the sailing ability only works for the commander and any troops he leads (that are within the sailing size, etc. etc.). Other commanders, scouts and mages thus cannot hitch a ride, unless they too have the sailing ability.
Post by: Antur on June 01, 2014, 03:53:27 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 05:51:07 pm
I also updated the sailor mod with a gold cost at 120 (because, well, simple commanders were already at 40 gold, and those are skilled at sailing, so...).
The download link should stay the same, but you will need to download the mod (and the map) to play :
Map (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byr7Mo6tvwe5WUw2Y0Y3UUVSUTQ/edit?usp=sharing)
Mod (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Byr7Mo6tvwe5LWYwZk01RzA5ZzQ/edit?usp=sharing)
The game should ask for a password, and it's the usual one in games organized here : what race is DF about ? (and no, the answer isn't decapitated elves).
Post by: lijacote on June 01, 2014, 05:56:51 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 01, 2014, 06:01:10 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on June 01, 2014, 06:04:04 pm
:( Confused Ulmish Commander
Post by: lijacote on June 01, 2014, 06:22:04 pm
Here's instructions (http://forum.shrapnelgames.com/showpost.php?p=529316&postcount=2)for joining a game on Llamaserver.
Post by: AlStar on June 01, 2014, 06:42:57 pm
Good luck all!
Post by: moghopper on June 01, 2014, 07:04:40 pm
I just don't like mods all that much.
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 02:05:06 am
I just don't like mods all that much.oh ?
I always felt like Worthy Heroes was nearly necessary to balance a bit the nations, especially with Common random Events :
EA Abysia doesn't have vanilla heroes, for example, and the mod adds some, inspired by the same myths that inspired the nation. This mod comes all the way from Dominion 2 and is used in most of the multiplayer games in the official forum.
And well, the other one comes from the fact that before, elephants could cross the sea as if there was a road....
Post by: Shadowlord on June 02, 2014, 02:20:38 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 02, 2014, 02:23:35 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 02, 2014, 02:30:12 am
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 02:50:53 am
Is there a reason for having the older versionIt was the one on llamaserver an it was 1 AM... :-°
I'll change that tonight (as it doesn't matter as far as pretenders go).
Post by: RexMundi on June 02, 2014, 03:23:22 am
EDIt: being informed i can join. can someone tell me how long i have to though, i need to sleep soon, so can make a god in 8 hours or so?
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 03:51:08 am
can someone tell me how long i have to though, i need to sleep soon, so can make a god in 8 hours or so?You can goto sleep :)
I'm at work and won't submit my god for at least 12 hours (or 36, if I miss my submit window tonight).
Post by: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 03:59:59 am
I just hope I'm not one of them. Happened to me as Yomi in another game, sandwiched between 3 other players.
Anyway, submitting pretender. Even though I don't know if it's a good one.
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 04:05:08 am
When you have only 2-3 neighbours, you can attack fewer players, but you can get attacked from fewer players.
Less risk, less reward, to put it simply.
Also, you have less provinces to defend, so you can put your armies where they are really needed, and you can even cut a few provinces from the other without conquering them at first, keeping the expansion opportunity for later times.
On the other hand, where I am, I have 5 neighbours. It would only be real luck not to be attacked by any of those 5 players.
Post by: HopFlash on June 02, 2014, 04:12:15 am
Post by: Mindmaker on June 02, 2014, 04:14:37 am
I'm talking about the poor souls that don't start there.
Also Yomi, not Jomon.
That was an EA game on the very same map.
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 04:26:55 am
Oh I'm not complaining about starting corners, those are great.Well, those can have more allies, and I like Cradle specifically because it has many rivers and mountains (that act as natural borders), and the islands thingy divide the map in two already.
I'm talking about the poor souls that don't start there.
Post by: Antur on June 02, 2014, 04:29:55 am
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 04:33:09 am
Post by: RexMundi on June 02, 2014, 12:27:44 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 01:47:42 pm
You can check the game status there: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound406
The server takes a dozen minutes or two to update, but you'll be able to see that nearly everybody sent his pretender (Hopflash is expected to send his in the next hours).
When the game is running, it looks like this : http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound404 (this is another game from here, currently active).
You can see near the top of the windows when the turn is due (the deadline for sending the Email with your turn), and at the bottom, the current date and time (because both are in GMT, and you don't want to send your turn an hour or two late :D ). you can also check who sent his turn, and whether the server received yours (even if it sends you a confirmation Email).
EDIT : updated for the last Worthy Heroes version in llamaserver. It's availalble here : http://llamaserver.net/burnsaber/dom4mods/ (link named Worthy_Heroes_v121.zip ).
And moghopper joined us, so we're only waiting for HopFlash now, and we'll start the game ! :D
Post by: HopFlash on June 02, 2014, 04:33:09 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 04:42:02 pm
hwo to play :
Quote from: first post
You'll be receiving .trn files from llama server, which you should put into a {dom4dir}/savedgames/{whatevernameyouwant}/( {dom4dir} = %appdata%\dominion4\ in windows ;)
After finishing your moves, a new .2h file will appear in that folder, which you should send to the same address from which you've received your .trn file.
Post by: HopFlash on June 02, 2014, 04:59:49 pm
Spoiler: Pretenders (click to show/hide)
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 05:04:48 pm
Their titles are randomly attributed by the game, but some of them are related to the pretender magic, or the "scales" (the bonus in gold, production, growth, magic, etc...).
For example, Abysia's pretender Goethia is "Lady of Air", so you can expect her to have some air magic. It means its blessed units will have enhanced precision (so the sacred fire mage's fireballs will hits more often :( ).
Post by: Shadowlord on June 02, 2014, 05:15:28 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 02, 2014, 05:29:08 pm
Pangaea: Lady Discordia, [...] The AwesomeThis one, on the other hand, is the one I had in the previous game. The one I won. so I'll be looking at you...
Post by: HopFlash on June 02, 2014, 05:44:27 pm
ok...then it's Game Over right? :PPangaea: Lady Discordia, [...] The AwesomeThis one, on the other hand, is the one I had in the previous game. The one I won. so I'll be looking at you...
"The Awesome" feels good but I think this game will last a way longer than the other. Way more unpredictable things. :)
Post by: moghopper on June 02, 2014, 06:05:45 pm
ok...then it's Game Over right? :PPangaea: Lady Discordia, [...] The AwesomeThis one, on the other hand, is the one I had in the previous game. The one I won. so I'll be looking at you...
"The Awesome" feels good but I think this game will last a way longer than the other. Way more unpredictable things. :)
You should fear Prostate Cancer,not Lady discordia.
Can SHE make you pee blood?
Post by: Biowraith on June 02, 2014, 06:06:36 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 02, 2014, 06:35:00 pm
Yomi: Dwayne Dibbley, Emperor of Ashes, Master of Gluttony, Emperor of the Oni, Emperor of FeverThat's the best titles I've seen. Maybe. Strangefather got some pretty cool ones, but I like those too. You better be spectacular in whatever you do, Emperor, win or lose!
Post by: E. Albright on June 02, 2014, 06:53:06 pm
( {dom4dir} = %appdata%\dominion4\ in windows ;)
If typing that's too much work, you can also get there by clicking "Open User Data Directory" under Dom4's Game Tools menu.
Post by: lijacote on June 02, 2014, 07:00:08 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 03, 2014, 02:48:54 am
Il Palazzo, did you go for B9N9 again per chance? :POooh, nooo. Plan 9 from outer space is much more convoluted and absurd!
Post by: Shadowlord on June 03, 2014, 02:54:03 am
Post by: tompliss on June 03, 2014, 03:32:43 am
But this (http://puu.sh/9cZYP/dbfc2a5ae2.png) may be the reason ...
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 03, 2014, 03:47:23 am
Yomi: Dwayne Dibbley, Emperor of Ashes, Master of Gluttony, Emperor of the Oni, Emperor of FeverThat's the best titles I've seen. Maybe. Strangefather got some pretty cool ones, but I like those too. You better be spectacular in whatever you do, Emperor, win or lose!
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/DrAculaPHD/HisHighnessDwayneDibbleycopy_zps0217c9a3.jpg)
Dwayne Dibbley is the one true emperor after all....
Post by: AlStar on June 03, 2014, 05:55:53 am
Come on people, it's turn 1. How much is there to do?
Post by: HopFlash on June 03, 2014, 06:36:25 am
I'll admit, I am saddened - went to bed with just 3 more players still needing to put in their turns... wake up to 2 players still needing their turns.think about different timezones and people who need to work, have families and so on.
Come on people, it's turn 1. How much is there to do?
And Dom4 in combination with steam is not everywhere playable :)
Post by: AlStar on June 03, 2014, 06:44:05 am
I'll admit, I am saddened - went to bed with just 3 more players still needing to put in their turns... wake up to 2 players still needing their turns.think about different timezones and people who need to work, have families and so on.
Come on people, it's turn 1. How much is there to do?
And Dom4 in combination with steam is not everywhere playable :)
I know, I know - I was just hoping I'd have a turn to play before I have to go to work.
Post by: HopFlash on June 03, 2014, 07:07:51 am
yes...I know what you mean ;)I know, I know - I was just hoping I'd have a turn to play before I have to go to work.I'll admit, I am saddened - went to bed with just 3 more players still needing to put in their turns... wake up to 2 players still needing their turns.think about different timezones and people who need to work, have families and so on.
Come on people, it's turn 1. How much is there to do?
And Dom4 in combination with steam is not everywhere playable :)
and sometimes I hope I don't get a mail at work with a new turn and I have to wait until I come home :)
Post by: tompliss on June 03, 2014, 08:55:17 am
I waited for 40 minutes to get my mail after llamaserver received the first submitted turn... :/
Post by: HopFlash on June 03, 2014, 08:58:17 am
And think about those of us who use a slow mail account.ok...it could happen...but which mailer needs so long in our days?
I waited for 40 minutes to get my mail after llamaserver received the first submitted turn... :/
ok...greylisting eventually...but that should only be with the first mail.
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 03, 2014, 09:52:16 am
Post by: Biowraith on June 03, 2014, 02:34:45 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 03, 2014, 04:09:31 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 03, 2014, 04:10:33 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 03, 2014, 04:13:08 pm
hope i'm not crushed early
Post by: lijacote on June 03, 2014, 04:24:00 pm
this'll be so awesome, playing with other real people!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ragnoff on June 03, 2014, 05:06:17 pm
Ragnoff
(SUPER eager to play with the little electronic toy soldiers again ...)
Post by: tompliss on June 03, 2014, 05:07:24 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on June 03, 2014, 05:56:57 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RexMundi on June 03, 2014, 06:44:16 pm
I really hope you don't mind me submitting my turn tomorrow, because I'm in no state to submit turns right now.HIRE ALL THE MERCS!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
um..
recruit nothing but the weakest troop!
But yeah, i don't mind
Post by: lijacote on June 03, 2014, 06:49:01 pm
Post by: AlStar on June 04, 2014, 05:15:02 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 04, 2014, 05:17:22 pm
Post by: AlStar on June 04, 2014, 05:53:20 pm
30 Barbarians, 30 Lizard Warriors, 30 Woodsman Blowpipes/Woodsmen, or 90 Soulless/Longdead Horsemen?
I've got next to no idea how dangerous these things are, relative to one another. Ah well *crosses fingers* let's hope I picked correctly.
Post by: Mindmaker on June 04, 2014, 05:59:29 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 04, 2014, 06:09:12 pm
Again, personal preference. They're both pretty close in terms of scariness, and which nation you're playing will definitely factor into who are the worse indies to fight.
Post by: moghopper on June 04, 2014, 06:28:52 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on June 04, 2014, 06:32:21 pm
The curse can be a serious threat, so I wouldn't send any important commanders into that battle.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 04, 2014, 06:40:23 pm
But again, it's not a significantly large difference. Or at least not large enough to trump the RNG and personal experience. Especially when you consider that barbarians are much more common than lizards, so you're more likely to find out just how painful they are.
Post by: RexMundi on June 04, 2014, 06:46:40 pm
Post by: HopFlash on June 04, 2014, 06:54:34 pm
hm, so, i conquored something, but.. wasteland XD still little income for meas Berytos this wasteland is not so bad (ok...a little early to be useful).
You can only summon the 2 blood-magic Berytos special units in wastelands.
So if you manage to get enough bloodslaves and high enough blood-research you can summon nice fighters there.
but yes...in the first rounds a wasteland is not so great :/
Post by: lijacote on June 04, 2014, 07:19:29 pm
In other news, finally I get to expand. Bloody UW independents, monstrous stacks of terror.
Post by: Ragnoff on June 04, 2014, 09:19:40 pm
However it was a candle I must sadly inform the holder of said candle that please for your own safety, you might want to go the other way. All we could feed the Army's was beans and because of this it is *quite* dangerous to have an open candle anywhere near them at the moment.
(Seriously, I expected to see that maybe there was some other got on the map, but we land power should get around 19 territories each so I did not expect to see a candle for another turn or two)
I have played dom3 in multiplayer half a dozen times, maybe a couple more, 3 or 4 years ago and have not touched dominion until I saw dominion for was out a week or so ago, so I am likely misremembering, but I candle on turn 3? In a map with 19-ish provinces per land player, yikes!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 04, 2014, 09:23:55 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 04, 2014, 09:28:14 pm
Post by: Ashsaber on June 04, 2014, 09:29:36 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 04, 2014, 09:47:49 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 04, 2014, 11:22:23 pm
The starting provinces where attributed by random. And there are two "continents". So the density on one continent may not be the same as on the other ....
Post by: Mindmaker on June 05, 2014, 03:31:36 am
There are a lot of provinces per player, but the default starting positions can be pretty close to each other.
Post by: tompliss on June 05, 2014, 04:09:01 am
But given how I am surrounded by mountains (well, I'm Niefelheim...), it's quite normal.
On the other hand, if anybody sees a cold province near him, it could be me :D
Post by: HopFlash on June 05, 2014, 05:20:01 am
I warned you about that map bros.you can live beside an other player and have plenty of free land in the other directions.
There are a lot of provinces per player, but the default starting positions can be pretty close to each other.
if this player is no warmonger I would like to have an ally early...but tastes are different ;)
Post by: tompliss on June 05, 2014, 06:13:09 am
Also increased the Hosting interval to 28 hours.
By the way, did you guys receive the turn file late, this time ? I got it this morning but the turn aws supposedly processed 11 hours earlier (based on the previous 24 hours hosting interval)... :/
Post by: Mindmaker on June 05, 2014, 06:14:37 am
Having Caelum 3 Provinces away from your capital is not fun.I warned you about that map bros.you can live beside an other player and have plenty of free land in the other directions.
There are a lot of provinces per player, but the default starting positions can be pretty close to each other.
if this player is no warmonger I would like to have an ally early...but tastes are different ;)
Thank god nobody picked them this game.
Post by: HopFlash on June 05, 2014, 08:36:28 am
By the way, did you guys receive the turn file late, this time ? I got it this morning but the turn aws supposedly processed 11 hours earlier (based on the previous 24 hours hosting interval)... :/I received it 04.06.2014 21:28 (German time) = 19:28 llamaserver GMT
Post by: tompliss on June 05, 2014, 08:39:23 am
Looks like I may have to change my receiving mailbox :/
EDIT: for those currently waiting for me, I should be able to send my 2H file in 2,5 - 3 hours.
Post by: RexMundi on June 05, 2014, 02:05:24 pm
Post by: Antur on June 05, 2014, 02:15:09 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 05, 2014, 02:38:48 pm
Looks like a dwarf to me !
Post by: moghopper on June 05, 2014, 03:33:26 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 05, 2014, 03:53:23 pm
I warned you about that map bros.A neutral party could have taken some time to place custom starting positions. Right now, I think I've started two provinces away from at least two players (uh oh...)
Post by: Shadowlord on June 05, 2014, 03:53:43 pm
Post by: AlStar on June 05, 2014, 05:32:25 pm
I did win against the barbarians, though, so it's not a total loss.
Losing a battle this early certainly isn't a good thing, hopefully I can bounce back.
Edit: Fear me, Lord of Top of the Page!
Antur, you've got a PM.
Post by: Ragnoff on June 05, 2014, 07:49:39 pm
The joyes of relearning the interface, and what to double check each turn.
Ragnoff
Post by: AlStar on June 05, 2014, 08:51:06 pm
I don't want specifically broadcast my bonehead move, but I am certian I just made a mistake that could seriously hurt me later on.....
The joyes of relearning the interface, and what to double check each turn.
Ragnoff
Since we're waiting for Abysia (again), you can always change your turn and re-upload - at least if it's something that hasn't been going wrong over multiple turns, anyway.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 05, 2014, 10:45:19 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 05, 2014, 11:35:38 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on June 06, 2014, 01:20:16 am
What are timezones?I don't want specifically broadcast my bonehead move, but I am certian I just made a mistake that could seriously hurt me later on.....
The joyes of relearning the interface, and what to double check each turn.
Ragnoff
Since we're waiting for Abysia (again), you can always change your turn and re-upload - at least if it's something that hasn't been going wrong over multiple turns, anyway.
It's only been 12 hours as well and one of the rare evenings where I was out with friends.
I'm not complaining about when I take a double turn and have nothing happening for 20 hours either.
Post by: RexMundi on June 06, 2014, 01:27:43 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 06, 2014, 01:39:40 am
Post by: tompliss on June 06, 2014, 01:52:10 am
We can't have it quicker, as many of us work/study during day, and as we're in different parts of the world.
In fact, I may be one of the limiting factors here, living in europe and being able to access Dom4 only between 8PM and 11PM, local time.
@AlStar : You may want to recruit some mercenaries. I'm currently employing a group of 30 swordmens, and they simply go through the independent provinces as if barbarians aren't even there. They can really boost your early game (and help your future wars), depending on what your nation needs to get running.
Post by: lijacote on June 06, 2014, 01:54:53 am
Post by: Mindmaker on June 06, 2014, 05:46:13 am
Post by: AlStar on June 06, 2014, 05:49:35 am
What are timezones?Sorry, didn't mean to sound snippy. To be fair, I would've called out whoever was the last nation to upload, you just happened to be the guy who held up turn 1 because of cheap shots.
It's only been 12 hours as well and one of the rare evenings where I was out with friends.
I'm not complaining about when I take a double turn and have nothing happening for 20 hours either.
Post by: tompliss on June 06, 2014, 05:59:10 am
Maybe it's a bit late to ask, but how does the sailing mechanic work?Some commanders have "sailing". They, and the troops the command, can move across a (hostile or friendly) sea province to reach a land province.
The modded-in sailing commanders can command 40 units (in 2 squads), and they can only sail with units of size 2 of less (human-sized, no cavalry, no giant).
Berytos (RexMundi) also has sailing commanders, who are more cost-effective, and some of those even are mages/priests.
And Fomoria has a special cased sailor, his Fomorian King, that can sail but only by himself (ruled out as him swimming across oceans, as he is as big as you can get).
Post by: Mindmaker on June 06, 2014, 06:02:53 am
Isn't that going to seriously hamper most expansions? I assume that was the intention?
Post by: tompliss on June 06, 2014, 06:09:43 am
This type of extension mainly is Berytos' specialty.
It is as if you had sites where you could recruit Abysia's salamanders for 1.5 their normal cost.
They're basically here so that it doesn't prevent nations on the north continent from interacting with nations on the south continent.
Post by: lijacote on June 06, 2014, 06:11:27 am
Post by: tompliss on June 06, 2014, 07:07:26 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 06, 2014, 07:21:06 am
Post by: Ragnoff on June 06, 2014, 08:39:47 am
Unfortunately I made a mistake on turn 3, which is why looking at turn 4 let me realize I had made a turn 3 mistake. So – little too late to resubmit!
My correctly understands sailing led to cross only one see province? Somehow I did not know that, but that makes it far less powerful and more in line with what what I would expect for its cost. Remember, provinces on connected by a continuous chain to some kind of Fort do not provide income. Thus using sailors to grade across the channel or the sea is fine, attempting to conquer land means you have to use sailing commanders to take the land and then hold it – without mages – for long enough to put up a fort on that side. Establishing a beachhead long enough to turn it into a fortress was difficult in the real world and I am had there is some difficulty doing that in this world. Of course, once you have flying/teleported mages all bets are off!
About the island being unconnected – I think that is a problem and should be fixed, but should be fixed mid-game? Should there be a warning of a certain number of turns? Players in that area may have done initial expansion and strategies based on that island being unconnected, or it may be a non-issue. However, without asking those players to self identify and give up strategic information it would be difficult to decide. I could see something like, "the sea seem to be lowering and by (some specific turn off in the future) it is expected that this connection would be available." That would give people time to readjust the strategy if the changes can happen 3, or perhaps 6, or more turns off. I think the ability to cut provinces off and thus their income is new to dominion for, and this map was made for dominion 3. So the ports in dominion 3 provided all the necessary connection between continents needed.
Post by: tompliss on June 06, 2014, 08:50:15 am
About sailors, they're also useful while staying on the same continent : sea provinces are bigger than land ones, so you cen generally jump one or sometimes even two land provinces and land in another province. Also, it may help crossing rivers (especially near the sea), and around the lakes.
And yes, if you're not Berytos, you need to build a fort in the province you go to, to get income from it.
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 06, 2014, 10:52:35 am
Unfortunately I don't think there's any way to edit the map once we've already started the game. Oh well, it'll make the game more interesting with the sailor commanders.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 06, 2014, 12:50:30 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 06, 2014, 01:29:01 pm
And I just lost a bunch of mercenaries to a independent province where the enemy count bumped from 30 to 55 before the combat... :c
Post by: Antur on June 06, 2014, 01:36:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 06, 2014, 04:32:34 pm
Yeaah that throne will wait a bit.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jeez, isn't a great mother an actual pretender?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 06, 2014, 04:33:20 pm
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 06, 2014, 05:14:53 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 07, 2014, 01:39:12 am
Also yay successful scripting in battle. First time I managed to gauge how close I should place my pixelmens to achieve optimal carnage when it came their turn to move. Water battles are so damned fierce.
Post by: moghopper on June 07, 2014, 09:36:20 am
Also, seems like I have a lot of space around me. How many people started really close to an enemy cap?
Post by: Shadowlord on June 07, 2014, 10:36:07 am
Post by: Ragnoff on June 07, 2014, 10:36:33 am
Post by: tompliss on June 07, 2014, 10:56:26 am
(on the other side of the ocean)
Post by: AlStar on June 07, 2014, 11:06:02 am
(And wish I didn't, to be honest.)
Post by: Biowraith on June 07, 2014, 11:40:02 am
Post by: RexMundi on June 07, 2014, 05:15:58 pm
In other news, is it ok to talk openly about things like random events/heroes?
Post by: tompliss on June 07, 2014, 05:24:46 pm
For example, the fact that Il Palazzo (Kailasa) got a hero on turn 2 and made him his prophet. I still can't believe that. It may provide some nice starting boost ^^
Post by: RexMundi on June 07, 2014, 05:37:53 pm
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 07, 2014, 05:53:06 pm
ahh. well, i just got a hero, some big giant who is a great warrior/mage. but.. he eats 80 people a turn.. Also, abbysia is on my boarder, and they seem less defended there, but, war..? do i want to go agressive, when there is so much land to my west?
My inner bastard is really hoping you're just saying this to play mindgames with abyssia. If so kudos.
Post by: Mindmaker on June 07, 2014, 05:58:34 pm
My sacreds can use the experience.
Although war is never a smart choice as long as neutrals exist.
Post by: RexMundi on June 07, 2014, 05:59:54 pm
Although war is never a smart choice as long as neutrals exist.agreed. Anyway, not trying to threaten, much :P
I'm unleashing him on barbarians now to 'test him out' i guess, with a small detachment to aid
Post by: tompliss on June 07, 2014, 06:03:25 pm
There is approximately 20 provinces per nation.
If you spend soem ressoruces in a war, you'll face more opposition than agaisnt independents (so you'll be a bit slower), and you don't be able to siege and breach the enemy castle that early (if you manage to "win" the war). This means your enemy will defend his provinces, maybe attack you too, and take back some provinces.
Meanwhile, the other nations around you will still expand normally, and will even get some provinces that would have been yours if you didn't go to war.
Oh and you got the King of the City, that early ? That's a nice one. He's a little weird to play (the 80 popkill and the 8 unrest increase per month means you may not want him in your capital), but he seems really powerful. HopFlash (Pangaea in our game) had him in our last game, so you may want to ask him how he used him.
Little thing to note : He's good at expanding your dominion and nice at blood-hunting (getting blood slaves to sacrifice, while increasing unrest in a province). You may want him to lead your armies, and he's be useful at claming throens, too, as only him, your prophet, and your pretender will be able to do that. Also, if you make him your prophet (possible 6 months after your current one dies), he'll give you access to Holy4 spells, including a massive moral booster (fanatism), which is quite good for big battles. but either way, don't sacrifice your current prophet now just for that : having your prophet and him means you get 3 smiters, qhich are really good against independents.
PS (wow 4 posts during my writing) : Don't send him alone. He's a good army booster, but in no way is he as good as a dragon.
Post by: RexMundi on June 07, 2014, 08:56:42 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 08, 2014, 01:04:56 am
Post by: HopFlash on June 08, 2014, 04:00:04 am
good i gave him some guys then, but.. i think i'll go change my orders real fast, heh.yeah...the King of the City is great. Popkill and unrest doesn't matter so much because if he bloodhunts (he was not so good in it as my blood fountain but still good) he does these things neverless.
I gave him some bodyguards (colossi warriors) and placed him a little bit back at the side. Orders "Divine Blessing" ("Fire shield", "Flare"). So he was not the first attacker but came from the side to smash things :)
He can take relative much damage and if you have some more magic you can cast some nice things before attack. A little later with some artifacts he is really a monster in battles.
And he is a very great commander. Many squads (5) and morale bonus (+3). And he can lead 325 normal, 15 undead and 40 magic).
In my game his heroic ability was "Unequaled Obesity" (more size, strength and HP).
With his abilities I think he is a clear front warrior and you don't want to fight against him :)
As Berytos with only Priest 2 you should stay with a seperate prophet. This large map we play has a little different playstyle with thrones as 4.03 but it's a pain to have too few throne claimers :/
And not to forget he is great as blood sacrifier too.
"Fanatism" is nice but Berytos has usually no bit morale problem (exception elephants).
This (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17094484/403_Baal%20Hammon.png) was him at the end of our game. His weapon was loot from a fight...I had not time and resources to give him a better equipment. And horror mark and cursed was Marvenis work :/
Post by: HopFlash on June 08, 2014, 04:26:01 am
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I'm afraid the llamaserver is down today - something went wrong yesterday evening and I am away for the weekend. Hopefully I can fix it tonight.looks like the server is down and don't get my 2h-file I send.
Perhaps we should think about an extension or how does it work?
Post by: Shadowlord on June 08, 2014, 04:30:35 am
Post by: tompliss on June 08, 2014, 04:33:59 am
the postpone command apprently didn't work right now, but I'll try again tonight, as there is some time left.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 08, 2014, 04:40:21 am
Same is true for any admin commands used. If tompliss tries to postpone it by 24h (and it of course won't show up since the server is offline), and a bit later tries to do it again with another 24h postponement to be safe, then when the server does come online it applies both 2x24h postponements and the turn timer will be sitting at 48 hours extra.
The worst thing any of you could do is to not send your 2h file due to the current issues. A few people in some other games did just that the last time this happened and of course promptly staled once the server came online and processed the turn.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 08, 2014, 05:01:13 am
Post by: Mindmaker on June 08, 2014, 02:49:28 pm
Wouldn't want to miss my turn because of a false assumption.
Post by: AlStar on June 08, 2014, 02:56:06 pm
Are they still down? I've send my turn in twice and still got no reply whatsoever.
Wouldn't want to miss my turn because of a false assumption.
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Last updated at 23:52 GMT on Saturday June 7th
Current time: 19:58 GMT
Looks like.
Post by: tompliss on June 08, 2014, 04:32:58 pm
Time to go to sleep (in europe), so the deadline will come around.
Last time I saw something like that, it didn't process the turn, and we got it back to normal without any fuss.
Anyway, if there is something wrong hapenning, we'll do a rollback, quite obviously. So don't be too happy if a good event happens to your provinces, as it may not stay :-°
Post by: Shadowlord on June 08, 2014, 04:39:56 pm
Edit: Just received confirmation of turn emails.
Post by: AlStar on June 08, 2014, 05:21:51 pm
(Checks game)
CURSE YOU Arcoscephale! CURSE YOOOUUUU....
edit: plus, you've never replied to my private message.
Post by: tompliss on June 09, 2014, 01:59:27 am
Wait, I'm saying shit o_O
Mictlan stalled the turn before the bug ... :(
Well, in fact we're just waiting for Arco to send his 2h file.
Meh.
Post by: Antur on June 09, 2014, 03:41:40 am
Post by: lijacote on June 09, 2014, 03:56:37 am
Huh. I sent it once already... Sorry for thatI hereby grant you... clemency! Let it not be said that the Strangefather, Turner of the Floods, is not merciful.
You'll beg for mercy when I tear down your temples and drag you screaming to the ocean...
In other news, bad things are going to happen way sooner than I expected. It wasn't my choice.
Post by: tompliss on June 09, 2014, 04:20:21 am
Post by: lijacote on June 09, 2014, 04:22:12 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 09, 2014, 04:45:37 am
They ran into my spears, what can I say... :PI take it our dear Fomorians were not content to stay out of raping and pillaging of the assorted seafood?
Post by: lijacote on June 09, 2014, 04:52:25 am
I'll still kill them if they enter the sea.
No, the guilty party is less malformed and stinky, but all the more nefarious for it.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 09, 2014, 05:04:17 am
Post by: tompliss on June 09, 2014, 05:09:02 am
I want a nation with Caelum's scouts, Oceania's amphibian spiky centaurs, Niefelheim's frosty giants, and T'ien C'hi's know-it-all mages ! :D
Post by: Mindmaker on June 09, 2014, 05:09:14 am
Damn you Black Bone. When I decided to hire you, I was under the impression that the word "pirate" stands for something more than just militia in fancy clothing.Shall it never happen to you again. (http://www.indiedb.com/games/dominions-3-the-awakening/forum/thread/calahans-complete-list-of-mercenaries-mercs-mercenarys)
You then can look up the exact units in inspector.
Post by: tompliss on June 09, 2014, 05:13:15 am
Because each time I found a merc list, it was for Dom3, and there are many new mercenary groups in Dom4 ... :/
Post by: Mindmaker on June 09, 2014, 05:24:38 am
Even so, most mercenaries are in the olds lists.
Post by: AlStar on June 09, 2014, 06:04:02 am
And yet no magic items dropped. Cheap bastards.
Post by: Antur on June 10, 2014, 01:34:17 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 10, 2014, 01:36:19 pm
That's a thing that can happen when you build a pretender with a low dominion score and when there are enemy prophets/pretenders near (as those spread dominion without even preaching).
Post by: Antur on June 10, 2014, 01:38:01 pm
Also is every nation but me getting these heroes ? Berytian melqarts dancing near the border, Giant Ape Jesus and i think i spotted another one this turn..
Post by: lijacote on June 10, 2014, 01:39:45 pm
PS. Berytos, I will destroy that temple, one way or another. I will bring it to ruin.
Post by: E. Albright on June 10, 2014, 01:51:49 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 10, 2014, 01:53:56 pm
PS. Berytos, I will destroy that temple, one way or another. I will bring it to ruin.ho shit :o
EDIT: in the name of peace, and to not need to move more troops then i have to, i have sent a lowly mage to have the temple deconstructed, in hopes of keeping the Provence and the peace
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 10, 2014, 02:56:27 pm
Post by: E. Albright on June 10, 2014, 02:56:57 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 10, 2014, 03:14:14 pm
Alas, of the three construction types, Temples are the only one that cannot be demolished - they must be razed by invaders capturing the province...Oh.
Post by: moghopper on June 10, 2014, 03:35:30 pm
Also, for the curious, my pretender:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: tompliss on June 10, 2014, 03:51:40 pm
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 10, 2014, 05:35:00 pm
Post by: moghopper on June 10, 2014, 05:41:10 pm
Well, on the bright side, prostate cancer has been cured
For now
Post by: AlStar on June 10, 2014, 08:44:04 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 10, 2014, 08:46:13 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 10, 2014, 09:32:53 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 11, 2014, 02:03:05 am
We might be willing to let this go. We should be able to get pockets of dominion elsewhere, on thrones -- you can elect not to build a swarm of temples on the provinces bordering the throne to the Southeast, and we can elect not to raid your temple (albeit hopefully with more success... did you get PD from an event?)Alas, of the three construction types, Temples are the only one that cannot be demolished - they must be razed by invaders capturing the province...Oh.
Any further temples in R'lyeh's cap circles will not be met by pathetic slave raids. They will be met with cunning.
Post by: RexMundi on June 11, 2014, 02:22:59 am
Post by: lijacote on June 11, 2014, 02:29:55 am
Post by: RexMundi on June 11, 2014, 03:11:27 am
Province defence, the +- value at the top, the one that adds units to defend your province. I think you had like 50 there :POooh, yes, somehow was thinking pop death or something. Actually, yes, i did. I got 10 form an event. the rest i put there, for.. reasons >.>
Post by: HopFlash on June 11, 2014, 03:13:17 am
wow...40 PD is a loooot of gold I think.Province defence, the +- value at the top, the one that adds units to defend your province. I think you had like 50 there :POooh, yes, somehow was thinking pop death or something. Actually, yes, i did. I got 10 form an event. the rest i put there, for.. reasons >.>
Are you sure that this gold is not better invested in something else?
Post by: lijacote on June 11, 2014, 03:15:42 am
Post by: tompliss on June 11, 2014, 03:20:01 am
Adding 1 point of PD costs as much as the new total of PD.
1 => 1 gold
5 => 15 (total) gold
10 => 55 (total) gold
15 => 120 (total) gold
20 => 210 (total) gold
30 => 465 (total) gold
50 => 1275 (total) gold
As you can see, the cost increases quickly. And 1 point going from 30 to 31 doesn't add more than a point from 20 to 21.
I don't think I ever increased Point Defence higher than 25, other than for extreme case (special units in the province recruitment, such as minotaurs or elephants, castle ready to get sieged with mages providing nice buffs, or last expected turn for the game).
I understand that you expected to get invaded, but you lost 1k gold going from 20 to 50, when you could have kept that gold to build a castle, here (after putting from normal troops to securize the province), or somewhere else.
Post by: lijacote on June 11, 2014, 03:22:12 am
Post by: HopFlash on June 11, 2014, 03:24:21 am
Clearly the investment paid off, he repulsed my slave raiders with ease :Pbut could have an army now which could take your province or not? it is 820 gold for 0->40
Post by: RexMundi on June 11, 2014, 03:30:04 am
Hm, either way, yeah, expensive fast, and i try to follow the same rules there.
Post by: tompliss on June 11, 2014, 03:38:57 am
But well, yeah. 27+ 10 free is good (and lucky you got the 10pd in a useful province).
Post by: Shadowlord on June 11, 2014, 04:37:54 am
But it would never be as well-scripted or balanced as an army you could make yourself.
Post by: HopFlash on June 11, 2014, 04:52:10 am
On the plus side, PD regenerates if it wins the battle, so if you did buy 50 PD and it never lost, you'd only have to buy it once...predictable and static! But yes the "regeneration power" can be great. And it doesn't count to the upkeep cost.
But it would never be as well-scripted or balanced as an army you could make yourself.
but 50 PD is way to expensive in this play stage. so I'm happy that it was only 27+10 :)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 11, 2014, 07:59:43 am
Spoiler: This kills the tiger (click to show/hide)
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 11, 2014, 04:45:57 pm
Edit: I'm also going to keep playing out of a feeling of obligation, but the diplomacy with him has really killed my enthusiasm for this game. Once 406 and 407 are over I think I'm just done. Turns out talking to someone with a holier than thou attitude at all times really sucks the fun out of this.
Post by: Biowraith on June 11, 2014, 05:05:02 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 11, 2014, 05:11:40 pm
I'd been taking it as given that I shouldn't trust anything anyone says in diplomacy, and expect/prepare to be stabbed in the back at the first opportunity. But I'm pretty new to multiplayer - is there normally a code of honour with regards diplomacy in these games?
Not as such, no.
What's stated in the OP, goes. In most (all?) B12 games it's "trades are binding, anything else goes". Now certainly some people are going to get more hissy than others when met with dishonesty and treachery, but as far as rules or universal honour codes go, there is none. People here don't seem quite as cut throat as some other places, but you'll still get stinged if you take everything here at face value.
The way I see it? Expect treachery and be pleasantly surprised at times.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 11, 2014, 05:22:23 pm
One needs to keep in mind that Dominions is a Highlander-style game - in the end there can be only one, so there can never be lasting peace, only temporary marriages of necessity and prolonged ceasfires, during which all sides secretly sharpen their knives.
But more importantly, don't take anything personally. Imagine you're talking to Conan the Shwarzeneggarian, or King Kong, or whomever is at the other end of the diplomatic channel. The worst they can do to you is foil your dastardly plan of killing them.
Post by: Biowraith on June 11, 2014, 05:23:16 pm
Also: person I was diplomacying at earlier: I'm totally not planning treachery! Honest!
Post by: Ragnoff on June 11, 2014, 06:41:19 pm
It is true the tenor of our exchanges became somewhat acrimonious, but Yomi took a province that I was expecting to have based on our agreement (we even commisserated about my first attempt at the province in question being beaten back by the indies, immediately after he took the province). When I complained I was told to "chill brah" as he had not *specifically* promised not to take the province in question even though he was suppose to head in a different direction. Lesson learned, but the agreement was obviously not worth the paper it was printed on. From my perspective, the treaty we discussed was violated by LongDongSilver within 2 turns of when it was made.
As I was boxed in anyways I planned on attacking if the province was not returned and/or amends were not made. When neither happened I assumed that I would be attacked within a few turns, and saw no reason to patiently wait for the knife. Every turn I would grow comparitively weaker, I did not have the position needed to turtle, which would have been a viable option if I had a few more provinces. I had actually warned LongDongSilver about this possibility (that I could be forced into early war) in my first exchange of messages and was told that my words were extortion.
Everything I stated for the last few messages about what my troops HAD done and COULD be doing was, in fact, true... including that I had summoned mercs to the wrong province (grrr, stupid interface or silly me for not double checking). My troops were ALSO in position to attack if it became necessary. I am in a corner, where ELSE besides a border do you expect my troops to be? When LongDongSilver read the message last night trying to avert war and refused to respond, I presumed I had my answer. Even so I sent the message that we were now at war and attacked. (Concurrently, of course! I am not foolish enough to sit for turns after that declaration given what had already happened.)
Note: LongDongSilver was also moving troops to our border the turn before the first battle concurrent with my summoning mercs, I admit to chosing to attack before they got there.
LogDongSilver, I am sorry you chose upon losing back to back battles to make this public, that you saw nothing wrong with your actions, that you still insist I was lying (to which I take great offence) and that now I am "Holier than thou" because we have different communication styles.
Find subs for me and you will not have to deal with me in 406 OR 407 and I will avoid all games you joined first. If you want, find a sub for Yomi and you can take Ulm in 406, I don't think it matters yet in 407. The Dominions community is too small for me to want players to leave in a huff.
Ragnoff
(This is my communication style, and the type of PMs I sent, this is the first time I have been called "Holier than Thou" though. Perhaps in the future I should try to develope a persona/way of talking for each pretender that is obviously staged.) :P
Post by: Mindmaker on June 11, 2014, 06:51:01 pm
In my last game I had nice relations with Fomoria and Caelum, talking to them about how I was worried about T'ien C'hi growing to strong. Both of them agreed that it was in everybodys best interest if I checked his movements. Fomoria even offered assistance when things went sour.
Long story short, Caelum backstabbed me while I fought T'ien C'hi and Fomoria took some of my cut off, undefended lands to "salvage the situation" 5 turns after saying he'd help me with Caelum.
Made me stop feeling bad about breaking agreements.
Post by: RexMundi on June 11, 2014, 09:18:35 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 11, 2014, 10:06:34 pm
(This is my communication style, and the type of PMs I sent, this is the first time I have been called "Holier than Thou" though. Perhaps in the future I should try to develope a persona/way of talking for each pretender that is obviously staged.) :P
In 403, I played a mostly-insane (but not completely!) pretender whose justification for any given action changed every time a justification was given. :P
Post by: lijacote on June 12, 2014, 12:43:15 am
Besides expediency and Machiavellian self-interest, I've also tried to play with some roleplaying weight. My characters try to be themselves, they try to represent -- in 401, I am (or was) a demon from the underworld, sent to claim the world for death. Would you strike a deal with something like that? I know my neighbours did so only reluctantly, out of necessity. In 402, I play a group of people acting as though they represented the will of the people, as though they were the revolutionary posse they claim they are. In truth, they are power-hungry old men, who have now found immortality and more. They lie through their teeth if they think it can get them anything. Sure, there are a few true souls left in there, and so they might have a say sometimes. But who is Strangefather? Hah! Perhaps he is trustworthy.
I do worry. When I'm not sure that the other person is aware of the game I play, I do feel guilty. If the other person thinks that my actions are representative of me as a real, fleshy person, and I then act as if I was a lying vampire... well. It does hurt. So here is my warning: I'm playing a game.
Post by: tompliss on June 12, 2014, 02:01:37 am
The highlander metaphor is really great. We're playing entities that want to become gods, and there can be only one.
Of course there will be some, "Holier than thou" feeling, as most of the entities think they are holier than the others.
Most of my messages, public or privates, to the other players (at least for the diplomacy part of them) are a bit pretentious. If I may quote one of the messages I received recently from one of my neighbours, he was "not impressed by [my] needless cocksure posturing".
PS: take your time guys, I won't be home to send my turn for a good 12 hours. so don't hesitate to send messages, and try to work out an arrangement. Early wars are what make nations loose.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 12, 2014, 02:18:55 am
in other news. thrones. i remember they're powerfulish magic sites, yes?Go to the "statistics" menu(where the Hall of Fame is), and click on the "Thrones of ascension". You can click on each of the thrones to see exactly what additional effects, apart from providing victory points, they have. Some change your default scales, some add extra bless effects, some allow recruitment of special units, some give you gem income. All spread dominion, some better than others.
Most thrones must be claimed to get any effects from them, but a few can provide some basic effects even unclaimed.
They're fun to have.
Post by: tompliss on June 12, 2014, 02:27:33 am
Post by: HopFlash on June 12, 2014, 03:33:09 am
Normally I think that it is no need to mention that but I wanted to play safe here ;)
This roleplaying was a little bit exhausting because english is not my native language and I wanted to stay in my role. And I was unsure if this "work" was worth it. There was "only" some roleplaying going on so the interacting in the council chamber was a little limited (and tompliss had won to fast ;) ).
In this game here I'm communicating as a player and hadn't roleplayed till now. So no insults and such but I'm normally too trustworth as a player for a game like Dominions. But there is normally no treaty that cannot be canceled. So if I make an alliance or non-aggression-pact I can end it too but normally in a fair way but as life is that doesn't need to be and nothing is totally sure.
If I think about it I really should jump into the role of Lady Discordia to make a better game style diplomacy and such ;)
Post by: tompliss on June 12, 2014, 03:43:53 am
Seriously, her name sounds like a My-Little-Pony vilain, so I will have a hard time taking her seriously c:
And there is something special about Dominions : Even when I don't plan to RP, I always use some RP (especially since I browse wikipedia about myths on my nation and pretender to find a good name for it), as it add something (not always positive) to the arguments in diplomacy, when it mentions elephant-sized wolves (in 4.06) or eternal winter and legions of minotaurs (4.03).
Post by: HopFlash on June 12, 2014, 04:01:32 am
Hopflash, hope I never meet Lady Discordia.hmm...she is a nice one I think...ok...I wouldn't provoke her...but she is a little contrast to this bloody spirit.
Seriously, her name sounds like a My-Little-Pony vilain, so I will have a hard time taking her seriously c:
And if you browse through wikipedia perhaps you can find a Lady Discordia which can have temples and prophets and such ;)
Perhaps she is inspired from "the real one"...who knows :o
But we havn't met so perhaps the events in this world change her personality till we have contact...we will see 8)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 12, 2014, 04:03:02 am
The provinces also have a much higher chance to contain magic sites.in other news. thrones. i remember they're powerfulish magic sites, yes?Go to the "statistics" menu(where the Hall of Fame is), and click on the "Thrones of ascension". You can click on each of the thrones to see exactly what additional effects, apart from providing victory points, they have. Some change your default scales, some add extra bless effects, some allow recruitment of special units, some give you gem income. All spread dominion, some better than others.
Most thrones must be claimed to get any effects from them, but a few can provide some basic effects even unclaimed.
They're fun to have.
Post by: lijacote on June 12, 2014, 04:03:23 am
My-Little-Pony vilainI curse the name, the one behind it all (http://youtu.be/YlK-9n_0TXs)
Post by: RexMundi on June 12, 2014, 04:05:30 am
now it's in my head. clicked the link, didn't even switch tot he tab or let the song start, knew it was this alreadyMy-Little-Pony vilainI curse the name, the one behind it all (http://youtu.be/YlK-9n_0TXs)
Post by: lijacote on June 12, 2014, 04:12:46 am
Post by: Mindmaker on June 12, 2014, 02:27:01 pm
Post by: Antur on June 12, 2014, 02:32:56 pm
Also i hope i won't find more castles buried in my backyard because it's getting cramped as it is.
Post by: Mindmaker on June 12, 2014, 02:54:31 pm
I have conclusive proof that Goethia is the only true god and fit to become Pantokrator.
Flaming Jesus has died for our sins, so our dead may revive as Smoulderghosts to purge the world and reform it in her image.
See for yourself:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: RexMundi on June 13, 2014, 06:32:23 pm
Air people are threatening, being air. water people i don't much wanna mess with due to keeping peace, same with fire people. Ulm i jsut do know, and unknowns are bad.
hmm..
Post by: AlStar on June 13, 2014, 06:48:11 pm
Rex: you should totally attack those air people... and I don't just say that because I share a border with them. (Ok, maybe it is... maybe.)
Post by: Mindmaker on June 13, 2014, 07:35:21 pm
In other news my basic scout is a crazy assassin. I should use him more.
Post by: Ragnoff on June 13, 2014, 07:54:56 pm
Oddly, none have ever stood back up.
Now you Know us, be not afraid.
Ragnoff, scribe of Knosith the Ice Lord
Post by: AlStar on June 14, 2014, 08:21:04 pm
Also, it looks like I've got more neighbors! Joy! (Joy may not actually be real.) Let it be known that I'm perfectly willing to leave you alone as long as I've still got indies around to deal with.
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 14, 2014, 09:04:16 pm
The game is only on turn seven so it's early enough that he probably hasn't done anything other than just expand against indies and build troops so the game's pretty close to a blank slate for whatever you want to do with it.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 14, 2014, 10:32:46 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 15, 2014, 04:03:28 pm
Post by: AlStar on June 15, 2014, 04:38:44 pm
That's one dodgy throne of winter!Was just coming to post about that - what kind of "winter" throne makes it warmer?
Post by: lijacote on June 15, 2014, 04:39:36 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 15, 2014, 04:46:11 pm
Well, looks like Niefelheim will once again have to conquer this throne of winter to teach him how to bring winter to the world ...
PS: it's a bug, and it's corrected in the next patch... ETA : soon
Post by: Mindmaker on June 15, 2014, 05:10:08 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 15, 2014, 05:25:52 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 16, 2014, 01:29:32 am
Post by: E. Albright on June 16, 2014, 01:43:44 am
(Although that might just be the event-spawning thrones (Beasts, Gaia, etc.), not the scale throne effects. Those actually may already be capped.)
Post by: Shadowlord on June 16, 2014, 01:46:52 am
Post by: tompliss on June 16, 2014, 02:17:14 am
Scale affecting thrones sometimes do the wrong thing (winter bringing heat), and some throne-based event happen every turn and don't stop (but those are rare).
I just hope this won't combine the two bugs (but I haven't seen any report of that in the official forum).
Post by: Mindmaker on June 16, 2014, 03:10:56 pm
I'm really no good with magic.
Post by: AlStar on June 16, 2014, 08:48:53 pm
(yes, yes, I'm a dick, but come on man, you've posted on the 4.07 thread, so you're obviously around!)
Post by: RexMundi on June 16, 2014, 11:00:00 pm
So, i'll either need to drop, find a sub, or ask really really nicely for a break from game, which is last choice as i don't wanna make you nice people wait.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 17, 2014, 03:23:13 am
Post by: tompliss on June 17, 2014, 03:53:23 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 17, 2014, 04:05:34 am
Just was told to me, surprise camping trip for 4 days. I leave tomorrow morning (it's 9pm now) and get back on the 21st.I don't mind a break. It's not a long one anyway.
So, i'll either need to drop, find a sub, or ask really really nicely for a break from game, which is last choice as i don't wanna make you nice people wait.
Post by: tompliss on June 17, 2014, 04:13:52 am
I don't expect LDS to send his turn right now (it's 4AM where he lives), so it will only be a 4 days-long turn. And no sub will take your place for 4 days.
We can wait (and plot against you) :)
Post by: RexMundi on June 17, 2014, 04:34:22 am
Post by: Shadowlord on June 17, 2014, 05:14:17 am
Post by: Antur on June 17, 2014, 05:15:32 am
Post by: HopFlash on June 17, 2014, 07:00:13 am
Post by: Mindmaker on June 17, 2014, 10:28:58 am
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 17, 2014, 10:40:30 am
I haven't been waiting to make sure I get the confirmation email back, so when my turn didn't go through, I didn't notice the lack of a confirmation email, which led to me not resending my turn. I think I'll need to start waiting for that email.
Post by: tompliss on June 17, 2014, 11:12:59 am
Post by: Antur on June 17, 2014, 11:28:11 am
Post by: lijacote on June 17, 2014, 11:32:26 am
Post by: tompliss on June 17, 2014, 11:42:41 am
If so, it may re-trigger the events correctly, with some luck (or at least locally).
And it's a nice throne for you, with its water gem income ...
And here is hoping the patch (supposed to be coming this week) includes the hot winter throne bug. It's hot, today, in Niefelheim ... :c
Post by: lijacote on June 17, 2014, 11:45:53 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: tompliss on June 17, 2014, 11:52:34 am
Killing he other players' champions is a better reward than getting the loot. But it's risky :/
Post by: lijacote on June 17, 2014, 11:59:05 am
Oh, but imagine the champion I will have after this one! A great destroyer of worlds, death!
Post by: Mindmaker on June 17, 2014, 03:33:13 pm
Post by: RexMundi on June 17, 2014, 03:33:31 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 17, 2014, 05:48:39 pm
Post by: AlStar on June 17, 2014, 06:11:17 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on June 17, 2014, 07:26:25 pm
Makes me wish I'd forged an extra set of armor or weapons or something. Just don't know if it's worth sending anything if I can't send in a good thug.Do you have anthing that has a remote chance off killing anything, that you can expend?
Then you should give it a shot.
I sent a unit that can take massive advantage of unit AI that decides to buff themself for a couple of turns (which the AI does often in the arena).
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 18, 2014, 03:21:37 am
Post by: tompliss on June 18, 2014, 03:39:58 am
Post by: RexMundi on June 21, 2014, 06:04:48 pm
Post by: AlStar on June 21, 2014, 10:29:10 pm
I'm home, thanks guys so much!Great!
PLAY YOUR TURN.
Post by: RexMundi on June 21, 2014, 10:45:46 pm
been unpacking and things and doing now, sorry :-[I'm home, thanks guys so much!Great!
PLAY YOUR TURN.
Post by: AlStar on June 21, 2014, 11:22:10 pm
Let's hear it for air elementals and lightning bolts! Woo!
Post by: lijacote on June 22, 2014, 08:08:37 am
sob
Post by: Mindmaker on June 22, 2014, 02:07:08 pm
Apparently hidden units give up on hiding the turn they enter the arena, that's good to know:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Antur on June 22, 2014, 02:19:18 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on June 22, 2014, 02:23:12 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 22, 2014, 02:24:05 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 22, 2014, 02:44:05 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on June 22, 2014, 03:28:15 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on June 22, 2014, 03:31:14 pm
Post by: LongDongSilver on June 23, 2014, 02:10:47 am
Post by: tompliss on June 23, 2014, 03:30:09 am
Well, that's not fun. I'll try to find a sub.
Post by: Toady Two on June 23, 2014, 01:59:58 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 23, 2014, 02:47:55 pm
Post by: Toady Two on June 23, 2014, 03:06:35 pm
EDIT: Why even look for a sub for a nation that is going to be exterminated in a few turns...
Post by: lijacote on June 23, 2014, 03:15:20 pm
Edit: No, I'm actually sorry if the position is worse than I imagined it would be >_>
Post by: HopFlash on June 24, 2014, 02:40:02 am
Ugh. I was hoping to at least experiment a bit with Dai-Oni builds but the the capital is under siege...hmm...he will last some time but you're right...it doesn't look good.
EDIT: Why even look for a sub for a nation that is going to be exterminated in a few turns...
Some pages (page 19ff) ago you can read why it is like that I think.
Post by: Toady Two on June 24, 2014, 04:26:50 am
Some pages (page 19ff) ago you can read why it is like that I think.
Could you give me a tl;dr on the situation.
I understand that Yomi insulted / betrayed Ulm somehow and then got his ass handed to him.
In that case, Ulm please stop killing me as I'm not the guy that insulted you. I was tricked into subbing this game hoping I could try out some of the stuff Yomi has. I agree to pay you tribute and fight your enemies if you let me keep my capital and surrounding provinces.
Post by: lijacote on June 24, 2014, 04:30:58 am
Hey! I resent that. I made no promises about any dai-oni!Some pages (page 19ff) ago you can read why it is like that I think.I was tricked into subbing this game
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2014, 06:09:33 am
Post by: HopFlash on June 24, 2014, 06:41:52 am
he provoked with territory expansion and making no friendly diplomacy about it (e.g. don't want to talk about borders so early) so more enemies than friends...now going to have fewer territory.
And if I see the positions of land owning right then his land could be divided already to other dominions.
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 24, 2014, 07:59:57 am
Now we've got Toady Two being handed a nation he can't play, and Ragnoff being asked to give up his hard won victories - which is hardly fair on him.
The only sensible thing to do now, is to let the man set the nation to AI, and apologise for the inconvenience.
Post by: lijacote on June 24, 2014, 08:02:04 am
Post by: Toady Two on June 24, 2014, 08:22:53 am
Post by: tompliss on June 24, 2014, 08:46:52 am
Sorry about that, Toady Two.
Post by: Shadowlord on June 24, 2014, 12:18:34 pm
Well, you can always give it your best shot, see how long you can hold off Ulm (though if you only have one fort and they're sieging it, I suspect the answer is 'not long').
Post by: Ragnoff on June 24, 2014, 02:37:23 pm
I was trying to deside while I was out that day whether suggesting the player be putt on AI would be a honest suggestion or would be seen as self serving as it may allow me to wrap this battle up more quickly. By the time I got back to the computer the sub had already been found and the choice became moot. Now my choices seem equally problematic. No way i can put forward a recommendation that could not be influenced by my position. I would not be opposed to the nation set to AI. As the sub was intended as a stand in - possibly long stand in but stand in none the less, I cannot see how it would be good for me to let Yomi rebuild and then have teh original player return.
Ulm
Post by: Toady Two on June 24, 2014, 02:54:19 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on June 24, 2014, 04:05:21 pm
Post by: tompliss on June 26, 2014, 02:10:38 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 26, 2014, 03:18:27 am
The question is, do we wait for the fix, or do we continue? Should we go with the latter, we'd need to make sure we leave commander recruitment queues empty for a turn every time we hire a slow-to-recruit commander.
I'd be fine with doing that, but if some of you can't be bothered/don't trust others to be diligent enough to remember the rule, then a pause of unknown length is indeed in order.
Post by: tompliss on June 26, 2014, 03:27:13 am
Post by: HopFlash on June 26, 2014, 04:26:55 am
I hope it won't last ages till bugfix.
Post by: lijacote on June 26, 2014, 04:52:13 am
Post by: Antur on June 26, 2014, 05:16:53 am
Hmm. Sent the turn, no response from the server yet..
Post by: AlStar on June 26, 2014, 06:06:22 am
Hmm. Sent the turn, no response from the server yet..That makes you lucky - the server's been spamming me with "Hey, I see you sent me a new turn file" messages all day. I'm up to 21 of them. :P
Post by: Ragnoff on June 26, 2014, 03:26:32 pm
If you do not use the auto recruit there is no problem. You woudl nto have to remember if you recruited the mage last turn like you would at first.
What shoud we do?
Post by: tompliss on June 26, 2014, 03:56:11 pm
Then we'll see about this tomorrow, as the dev said they will be patching it asap :)
if necessary, i'll postpone the turn process a bit ^^
Post by: RexMundi on June 27, 2014, 01:45:54 am
Post by: tompliss on June 27, 2014, 01:49:14 am
Quick hosting is off for the moment, so the turn will only be processed when we hit the deadline. It should let us see what the devs do, until then (a big dozen hours, primarily so I can get off work :) )
@Rex if you got the 12 hours warning before my post, it's normal. I wrote the post at the same time I added the extension ;)
Post by: RexMundi on June 27, 2014, 01:54:27 am
Post by: Ragnoff on June 27, 2014, 07:37:18 am
Post by: tompliss on June 27, 2014, 08:43:32 am
And as Llamaserver usually is quick to patch, we should be able to process the turn soon.
RexMundi's turn is the only one left, but I think I'll manualy process the turn in 5-6 hours ;)
Post by: RexMundi on June 27, 2014, 04:41:03 pm
flying people are tough.
either the game hates you or someone is throwing hurricanes at my capitol
and finally, i'd forgot, when assassinated the last commander, the forces auto flee next combat
Post by: Antur on June 27, 2014, 04:48:18 pm
-Sincerely, Arbiter PR Division.
Post by: RexMundi on June 27, 2014, 05:07:53 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on June 28, 2014, 09:58:52 am
Everyone should go uncheck ALL auto recruit for one turn, this clears any chance that you will be exploiting (i.e. cheating).
Post by: HopFlash on June 28, 2014, 10:59:32 am
Post by: Antur on June 28, 2014, 02:10:34 pm
Also i hate having city by the coast and sailing enemy.
Post by: RexMundi on June 28, 2014, 04:44:05 pm
>.>
Also i hate having city by the coast and sailing enemy.
Post by: lijacote on June 29, 2014, 08:33:36 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on June 29, 2014, 02:47:12 pm
Post by: lijacote on July 01, 2014, 03:56:55 am
Post by: AlStar on July 01, 2014, 06:45:47 am
The lake is mine, though. :P
Post by: lijacote on July 01, 2014, 06:48:48 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 01, 2014, 02:44:42 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 01, 2014, 02:51:28 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 01, 2014, 02:53:21 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 01, 2014, 05:14:03 pm
EDIT 2 : it even has problems getting the admins order to postpone. Last time it did that, it also didn't process the turns, so it may be OK anyway. otherwise, we'll have to rollback. if you receive a your turn soon, it may be best not to play it ;)
Post by: Shadowlord on July 01, 2014, 05:57:53 pm
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/06/millions-of-dymanic-dns-users-suffer-after-microsoft-seizes-no-ip-domains/
(... ars just seems to assume that the statement by no-ip is true, though.)
Buried in comments: "The evidence is that some of the TLDs that were seized are only available to paying customers, hence one can only conclude that the botnet operators were paying."
Post by: E. Albright on July 01, 2014, 06:12:22 pm
Is there a way to get those throne-specific mages of spring and winter, or are they forever lost to the capriciousness of RNG placing the thrones under water?
You need to fight a combat at the throne and cast Dessication 100 times at W9. I'm pretty sure that's what they said would do it. Tell ya what, try that out and if it doesn't work I'll try to find out exactly who I mean by "they" before agreeing with Tompliss.
(In all seriousness, it would be nice if they gave triton or merman mages when they get stuck underwater, as the RNG really seems to be fond of doing that...)
Post by: Shadowlord on July 02, 2014, 12:22:45 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 02, 2014, 12:54:27 am
Post by: RexMundi on July 02, 2014, 01:43:05 am
Berytos! You lazy git, do yer turn. Server hiccups are no excuse for slacking.been busy today, and said yesterday i'd do it in the morning, 100% my bad on this, doing turn now!
Post by: tompliss on July 02, 2014, 02:06:16 am
Let's carry on !
Post by: AlStar on July 02, 2014, 06:07:34 am
I'm honestly baffled why all my archers seemed to insist on shooting at the ground all around the enemies.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 02, 2014, 06:56:57 am
It may just have been incredibly bad luck. There are some air spells (A3 Mist and A4 Storm) which reduce precision by half, and Storm also gives an additional 50% chance for missiles to be lost entirely (and doubles the fatigue cost of fire spells if it generates a rainstorm), but those aren't things that I would expect Abysia to have generally. They'd have to go to quite some effort to acquire A3 casters (there are A2 casters at magic sites, and then they'd need a booster to get to A3, and that is nigh-impossible for Abysia without specifically designing a pretender to do it (because air is not bootstrappable at all)). Wasting 45 air gems per A2 indie mage to get them to A3 would probably be impractical too (or wasting 45+60 to empower one to A4 and then make boosters from there for the rest).
Post by: HopFlash on July 02, 2014, 11:02:26 am
Greetings Helheim guests.
I'm sorry, that my troops are noobs and went unhidden into your territory...I don't know what they thought but your troops haven't managed to push them back so I think they try to capture this fortress as planned a year ago as we wanted to take Yomi's land.
Sorry for your trouble.
Lady Discordia
Post by: Mindmaker on July 02, 2014, 11:23:17 am
Is there any reason why hundreds of archers would totally miss a giant square of burning ones? I thought that dudes who don't use shields would be easy pickings for arrows.More like 50.
I'm honestly baffled why all my archers seemed to insist on shooting at the ground all around the enemies.
10 precision is just completely average (crossbows and longbows can have 11-12) on units and even if they hit, 18 Protection is pretty good defense against basic arrows.
Were you really expecting to beat me with half of your army, which had most of it's dangerous units removed?
Or did you actually hope I wouldn't move on that square?
Post by: Shadowlord on July 02, 2014, 12:50:58 pm
Is there any reason why hundreds of archers would totally miss a giant square of burning ones? I thought that dudes who don't use shields would be easy pickings for arrows.More like 50.
I'm honestly baffled why all my archers seemed to insist on shooting at the ground all around the enemies.
10 precision is just completely average (crossbows and longbows can have 11-12) on units and even if they hit, 18 Protection is pretty good defense against basic arrows.
Were you really expecting to beat me with half of your army, which had most of it's dangerous units removed?
Or did you actually hope I wouldn't move on that square?
I see my mistake was assuming that he was being truthful about having hundreds of archers and all of the arrows miraculously missing. :P
Post by: AlStar on July 02, 2014, 05:22:08 pm
So no, not hundreds, but enough that I'd expect to see some damage.
As to your question: assumed you weren't going to move there :p
Post by: Mindmaker on July 02, 2014, 06:30:28 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 02, 2014, 11:29:17 pm
I've noticed this happen especially often in 4.01 when fighting large undead armies, so the number of combatants might be a factor.
Anyway, I wouldn't put it beyond the thing to show missiles land wildly off target, when in actuality the effective calculation was that of a hit and failure to breach armour. Which is the most likely result of shooting arrows and stones at Abysians, shields or no shields.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 03, 2014, 05:16:30 am
You could always check with that.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 03, 2014, 05:23:16 am
But it doen't matter. The rolls displayed always represent what's shown on the battlefield. The point being, what's shown isn't necessarily what actually happened.
Post by: AlStar on July 03, 2014, 05:31:07 am
You know, I was debating with myself for hours while at work if I should go with air elementals or lightning bolts. The loss of 4 wizards because they were above 100 fatigue and the completely underwhelming performance of the elementals shows I really should've just gone with the bolts, after all. Ah well, live and learn.
I'll figure out how to deal with those burning ones eventually.
Post by: lijacote on July 03, 2014, 05:46:48 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 03, 2014, 06:21:25 am
Post by: Antur on July 03, 2014, 06:43:25 am
The neighbours of Abysia should share map information and see the sheer size of this behemoth forming in their backyard. Is it sane to wage war between Arcoscephale and Berytos, truly?Alternatives are mostly even worse.
Post by: tompliss on July 03, 2014, 07:05:45 am
* hasn't met Abysia, formoria, Arco or Berytos *
PS: As a good friend of mine would say, Abysia is a poopy head.
Post by: Antur on July 03, 2014, 07:20:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The gray is the free nation of Thronetopia and it's endless legion of vinemen.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 03, 2014, 07:36:06 am
Post by: tompliss on July 03, 2014, 07:37:58 am
You've got province number advantage, don't you ?
Well, at least I can judge the size of the southern empires, and it appears that our respective positions have granted us approximately the same amount of terrain.
Post by: Antur on July 03, 2014, 07:45:31 am
And it's not really province advantage when 50% of them are wasteland
Post by: Mindmaker on July 03, 2014, 08:02:14 am
Still need some more research for that.
Post by: tompliss on July 03, 2014, 08:02:59 am
Post by: RexMundi on July 03, 2014, 12:46:20 pm
and Berytos only has 7.I had more, but then some foolish leader (totally not me) started a war tot he south i now kinda regret..
Post by: tompliss on July 03, 2014, 01:06:39 pm
Post by: HopFlash on July 03, 2014, 01:16:08 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 03, 2014, 01:17:10 pm
Post by: RexMundi on July 03, 2014, 01:38:44 pm
As said, first multiplayer game, already doing betting in 4.7
Post by: tompliss on July 03, 2014, 01:49:34 pm
(even if you lack sailing scouts, there are always ways to try something :) )
Post by: moghopper on July 03, 2014, 01:58:01 pm
Post by: lijacote on July 03, 2014, 03:32:24 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 04, 2014, 09:04:12 am
Post by: AlStar on July 04, 2014, 12:51:58 pm
And that's not even getting into weird instances where I'll tell a group of commanders to all go somewhere, and only some of them will be able to do it. In my 4.07 game, I had a bunch of move 2 units that could make the move, but my move 3 pretender wouldn't make the same trip.
I wish it'd at least tell you why the move fails.
Post by: tompliss on July 04, 2014, 01:25:59 pm
Plains/Farm: 1
Forest: 2
Waste: 2
Mountain: 3
Swamp: 3
Cave: 3
Each "survival" a creature can have will reduce the the cost to 1, and you need the whole army (commander + units) to be able to make a move (be it thanks to Map move 3 or thanks to Forest survival, when crossing a forest) to make a movement.
Moreover, you can only move through multiple provinces in your territory, but you can cross 1 of your plains to end in an enemy mountain.
Post by: HopFlash on July 04, 2014, 04:07:15 pm
flying units ignore the terrain-type.
Post by: tompliss on July 04, 2014, 04:13:44 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 04, 2014, 04:35:55 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 04, 2014, 04:48:22 pm
Post by: HopFlash on July 04, 2014, 05:31:38 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 04, 2014, 05:37:20 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 04, 2014, 06:39:49 pm
And most importantly, EA Abysia's demonbred.Waste of a capital turn.
Unless I want to build the ultimate assassin once I have high construction available for whatever reason.
Edit:
Later on at least when you want to recruit many cap-only commanders. Just saw how damn cheap he was.
Post by: tompliss on July 05, 2014, 06:34:21 am
For those who haven't seen the turn yet, Arco has cast the "Warth of God" global spell. It means you get events like this one :
(http://puu.sh/9XHZd/220c4a0371.jpg)
They are more powerful where arco's dominion is more powerful (and I got this event without Arco's dominion on my lands).
Post by: AlStar on July 05, 2014, 07:00:20 am
Post by: Antur on July 05, 2014, 07:09:21 am
Post by: lijacote on July 05, 2014, 07:10:29 am
Post by: tompliss on July 05, 2014, 07:12:20 am
If I were your neighbour and wasn't at war with you, it would help me decide which side join ... :)
Post by: Antur on July 05, 2014, 07:12:53 am
Worse than that, it might invite even more enemies eager to kill you :pPff. I'm fighting every neighbor aside from you anyway already.
Post by: lijacote on July 05, 2014, 07:14:07 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 05, 2014, 07:47:25 am
Post by: tompliss on July 05, 2014, 07:59:25 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 05, 2014, 08:00:57 am
Fear not. The fish could not invade if they wanted to. Certain principles govern reality...What about those lobo guards, loitering about in great numbers, eh?
Post by: lijacote on July 05, 2014, 08:04:14 am
Post by: Antur on July 05, 2014, 01:58:03 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 05, 2014, 02:01:38 pm
edit: oops, sorry. Mod inspector shows it's actually +4exp/turn.
Post by: Antur on July 05, 2014, 02:15:31 pm
It only adds +2 exp per turn, on top of the regular +1/turn. You need 20(iirc) exp for the first star.Thank you! Still seems bit of a waste of time.
edit: oops, sorry. Mod inspector shows it's actually +4exp/turn.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 05, 2014, 02:22:13 pm
Post by: Antur on July 05, 2014, 02:31:34 pm
Post by: lijacote on July 05, 2014, 02:33:46 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 05, 2014, 02:43:00 pm
Post by: RexMundi on July 05, 2014, 10:28:08 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on July 06, 2014, 12:05:29 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 06, 2014, 04:48:49 am
Hey, um. it's my turn last, and i sent in my 2h file, but seems it was never recived, and sending it agian jsut now claim's wrong turn..
Oh, so that's why we've all been waiting for you.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 06, 2014, 04:44:01 pm
And Wrath of God is really starting to piss me off, I have a good number of mages wounded.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 06, 2014, 04:56:55 pm
Post by: Shadowlord on July 06, 2014, 05:02:40 pm
That must've been some terrifying lightning - at least two of my troops who have never seen combat developed battle fright. (I'm not sure where the other two wounded are, or the dead unit, since they weren't commanders, and the two I found just happened to be in a stack of units I examined in my capital)
Post by: Antur on July 06, 2014, 05:08:52 pm
Post by: RexMundi on July 06, 2014, 05:21:45 pm
I really hope all these random thunders in distant lands killed at least one berytian or fomorian commander. Because i feel like they specifically hit somewhere far away.i think i lost a mage :<
Post by: AlStar on July 06, 2014, 08:54:15 pm
Edit: well, looking at the stats, I suppose if he actually killed 10 (honestly not sure - 27 died that battle, though) then he at least killed more gold's worth of troops than he cost, but it's the 2-turn thing that really kills me.
Post by: lijacote on July 07, 2014, 03:02:23 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 07, 2014, 03:32:46 am
Post by: tompliss on July 07, 2014, 04:00:25 am
TL,DR : Liquid body halves the damage the unit takes (after armor), from normal (non magical) weapons. It means it also reduce by half the chance of getting an affliction. But it also reduce by 4 its strength, making it a bit less powerful. It's good on units that will stay in the battle after taking a (reduced) hit or two, and even better on creatures that will regen the HP loos from the hits.
skeletal body it a "weak" version of this : it only affects the Piercing weapons (arrow/bolts/spears), but doesn't reduce the Strength of the unit. It is really good when facing an army with lots of archers, as it simply halves the damage they will do (and reduce furthermore the chance that your units will route from this damage).
Post by: lijacote on July 07, 2014, 04:18:17 am
Post by: Mindmaker on July 08, 2014, 03:52:07 pm
Post by: lijacote on July 08, 2014, 04:45:42 pm
Post by: AlStar on July 08, 2014, 05:48:02 pm
The Strangefather has decreed that a dry place must be secured for Him. Incidentally, Fomoria's dry place is right next to a wet place. Two wet places, actually. So there's that. The breeze from eastwards Abysia is very nice and warm, too. Good for the old arthritis.
Shame you didn't end up fighting Formorian troops, then. Can't say I'm sad to see the Abysian invaders getting crushed, even if it's under your flippers rather than by the might of my lightning bolts and sacred spears.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 08, 2014, 05:58:03 pm
Post by: AlStar on July 08, 2014, 06:00:20 pm
Those lightning bolts are starting to get irritating - it actually hit someone important-ish this turn.The big lightning bolts are from Arco - I just deal with the small, battlefield-sized ones.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 08, 2014, 06:00:38 pm
Those lightning bolts are starting to get irritating - it actually hit someone important-ish this turn.Pretender?
Post by: Shadowlord on July 08, 2014, 06:30:16 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 08, 2014, 06:36:36 pm
Oh you are still going to get your fair share of ass-kicking down the line, I'm far from done.The Strangefather has decreed that a dry place must be secured for Him. Incidentally, Fomoria's dry place is right next to a wet place. Two wet places, actually. So there's that. The breeze from eastwards Abysia is very nice and warm, too. Good for the old arthritis.Shame you didn't end up fighting Formorian troops, then. Can't say I'm sad to see the Abysian invaders getting crushed, even if it's under your flippers rather than by the might of my lightning bolts and sacred spears.
I have accomplished what I set out to.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 09, 2014, 04:38:58 am
Post by: lijacote on July 09, 2014, 04:42:38 am
Help! I'm not being attacked! I don't know what to do!Kill thy neighbour.
Post by: tompliss on July 09, 2014, 04:44:14 am
I'm just a dummy, don't you know ? c:
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 09, 2014, 04:51:35 am
All to no avail. :(
Post by: lijacote on July 09, 2014, 04:57:17 am
But nobody wants to! I've been trying to make my neighbours attack me for sooo long now. Leaving all my beaches undefended to lure in the fish, sending masterfully crafted provocative correspondence to the snowmen, burning down the castle on the way to Hellheim...What, you've been provoking us! We had no idea! How... offensive! Prepare to be invaded!
All to no avail. :(
Post by: tompliss on July 09, 2014, 05:12:57 am
Really, I think I woke up my parents the time I read the wraparound yo momma joke c:
(And as none of the other nations don't seem to have too many thrones, I spend my time getting some research power and scouting capability)
Post by: Ragnoff on July 09, 2014, 12:29:17 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 09, 2014, 01:19:59 pm
PS: It's the first time I got what could be interpreted as a declaration of war that made me that sad, Il Palazzo... :(
Post by: lijacote on July 09, 2014, 01:28:59 pm
I've got some good astral casters.
Post by: tompliss on July 09, 2014, 01:34:33 pm
Wow, the manual really is unclear about globals and dispel, then, as I read the page about it twice and didn't understand it that way ...
Post by: Shadowlord on July 09, 2014, 01:41:33 pm
... Anyone want to buy a Thorn Spear?
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 09, 2014, 02:00:13 pm
Proceeds from the sale of her magic equipment will go to the Benefit Fund for Orphaned Monkeys.That's us! We're getting lots of orphaned markata ever since the weather went to dogs.
Send us all the proceeds. All of them.
Post by: tompliss on July 09, 2014, 02:01:06 pm
since the weather went to dogs.And you haven't even seen what the winter will be like c:
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 09, 2014, 02:14:55 pm
You only say that. We've been waiting for a proper winter for years, and you never deliver. :'(since the weather went to dogs.And you haven't even seen what the winter will be like c:
Post by: Antur on July 09, 2014, 03:45:43 pm
Also my arbitrary smiting cannot be stopped, muahahaha! (It totally can be stopped, and i wouldn't mind if someone besides me wasted astral gems on useless globals)
Post by: tompliss on July 09, 2014, 04:27:51 pm
Post by: HopFlash on July 09, 2014, 06:34:48 pm
My generally light troops smashed against your armors and defences and had no chances.
I don't think that this was a good experiment to take Pangaea :)
I think I learned something but not really how to play Pangaea right and what I should have done better.
Scouting (flighing) and temple spawn was easy (200g/temple) but only palisades, light protected troops, relative expensive troops and overexpensive mercenaries were my death I think.
I will defend my dominion till the end so don't expect the AI coming out but I think I don't get my turn done in time.
It would be nice if I can get 12 hours more.
Speaking of the world being at war, Lady Discordia of Pangaea has been struck down - In her folly, she charged our brave holy warriors, and was clubbed to death (along with her army). Proceeds from the sale of her magic equipment will go to the Benefit Fund for Orphaned Monkeys.
... Anyone want to buy a Thorn Spear?
Post by: Biowraith on July 10, 2014, 12:51:32 am
Post by: lijacote on July 10, 2014, 02:48:13 am
I'm happy because the most powerful astral nation in our game, R'lyeh, doesn't have (or haven't shown) the magic power to cast the Wrath of God to dispel yours (as it would only be a 30 gems difference, when accounting for the extra level power) c:I've only been losing 1 non-commander unit per turn. I've a suspicion that it doesn't really reach underwater that easily. Now that I'm on dry land, though... well. I'm still very much not covering a very large surface area. Arbitrary hate will surely not target us.
I wouldn't mind being paid the astral gems to dispel it, though, presuming a small provision for my troubles.
Post by: tompliss on July 10, 2014, 02:59:53 am
Oh wait, you just spent your astral pearls to cast your scrying spell so you knew who to attack more surely ...
By the way, does anyone have a nice Fire mage ?
I am willing to offer my little share of fire gems to burn someone's eyes...
Post by: lijacote on July 10, 2014, 04:13:48 am
Post by: tompliss on July 10, 2014, 04:17:08 am
Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to target (or hurt) the giants :)
Post by: HopFlash on July 10, 2014, 07:00:34 am
I get the impression you maybe underestimated the size/composition of my armies (presumably due to glamour) when you attacked me?a bit but not totally.
But I underestimated the value of very high protection/defence (+glamour) against my low protection troops.
And I thought that my surprise backyard attacks would provide better results.
When I counterattacked I was really expecting to find that was just a light advance force and you'd have some nasty surprises waiting for me (or that you'd teamed up with Machaka and I was going to be hit on two fronts).I hoped a little for teaming up with machaka but he calculated the winning chances right I think ;)
so my armies were splitted up but you're right too I had to few in the backhand (and a blocking river was bad too).
I should have waited until someone else attack me instead. But I was in a conquering rush (Yomi land before).
Perhaps next time! :)
Post by: Mindmaker on July 10, 2014, 08:29:13 am
If you can't come to an understanding I'll deal with it my way.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 10, 2014, 08:30:55 am
Post by: Mindmaker on July 10, 2014, 08:37:34 am
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Post by: lijacote on July 10, 2014, 08:42:12 am
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Post by: Mindmaker on July 10, 2014, 08:45:27 am
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Post by: Shadowlord on July 10, 2014, 08:47:01 am
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Re-casting it with your pretender would just make everyone want to kill you instead. ;D
Post by: tompliss on July 10, 2014, 08:56:29 am
His neighbours (so you included) can easily gauge how much extra level in astral magic the spell has (with the bless effect in battles), and as it is already quite expensive, there may not be that much extra gems in it.
you would need luck anyway, but you can assure that it you get it for yourself by spending enough gems. Enough being something you have to guess :)
Post by: Mindmaker on July 10, 2014, 09:23:34 am
Re-casting it with your pretender would just make everyone want to kill you instead. ;DWell I'm glad that casting it won't change anything then.
Anyway, with Arco being the one who casted the Wrath of God, it was a pretender already.Eh, I only have two extra gems, so maybe it's not the best idea.
His neighbours (so you included) can easily gauge how much extra level in astral magic the spell has (with the bless effect in battles), and as it is already quite expensive, there may not be that much extra gems in it.
you would need luck anyway, but you can assure that it you get it for yourself by spending enough gems. Enough being something you have to guess :)
Post by: Shadowlord on July 10, 2014, 10:05:11 am
Post by: tompliss on July 10, 2014, 10:22:48 am
Post by: Mindmaker on July 10, 2014, 11:04:08 am
Post by: tompliss on July 10, 2014, 11:13:41 am
Post by: AlStar on July 10, 2014, 06:21:37 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 11, 2014, 01:06:23 am
Consider yourself safe (until I get some construction).
Post by: RexMundi on July 11, 2014, 04:11:22 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 11, 2014, 04:48:13 am
with the capitol gone, and the only other fort under siege with one mage inside.. Surrender comes from meSeems like your kingdom is not of this world, RexMundi. Thanks for playing!
===========
Plan 9 From Outer Space, Katidata, the King of the Jungle, and Rama, the Divine King walk into a bar.
Plan 9 asks:
-"How's our markata poet Pooflinger Shitsmear faring at inciting the giants to attack us?"
-"Looks like nothing will come out of it. It appears we will have to abandon our peaceful ways and invade them ourselves." says Rama
-"Wow, if only they could hear our conversation, they'd surely do the only sensible thing and attack us preemptivelly" booms Katidata
Rama agrees:
-"I know! It's good they can't know what we're talking about."
-"We're so lucky they're oblivious to our plans!" chimes in Plan 9.
All three turn and stare intensely past the faltering fourth wall.
Post by: tompliss on July 11, 2014, 04:54:27 am
(and nobody has many thrones yet, so there is no reason to attack anybody :D )
PS: seriously though, I will be able, in a few turns, to have 70HP giant assassins who can go anywhere. I could take contracts from you first, if you want c:
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 11, 2014, 05:39:22 am
@RexMundi: by the way, don't forget to actually set yourself to AI if you intend on surrendering.
Post by: Antur on July 12, 2014, 05:11:16 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2014, 05:14:31 am
Post by: tompliss on July 12, 2014, 05:31:11 am
Will make a mass resend, if not ^^"
Just received mine :)
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2014, 05:34:11 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 06:16:02 am
Post by: tompliss on July 12, 2014, 06:43:01 am
Post by: lijacote on July 12, 2014, 07:01:07 am
Fuckin' trees, man. They're like, all natural and shit.I know the source of your nature gems. It's Mictlan's blood emeralds. Mined by labour that barely reaches up to one's knees... reprehensible, immoral! Unjust! Blasphemous! Dirty! Criminal!
#ilpalazzo2014
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 11:56:19 am
Sigh.
A markata can only hope.
Post by: tompliss on July 12, 2014, 12:03:33 pm
A cold war should not be warmed up.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 12:06:59 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 12, 2014, 12:13:28 pm
(Yes I know that you have the first in the Hall of Fame. In fact, I witnessed him getting this province all by himself)
Post by: Mindmaker on July 12, 2014, 12:16:00 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 12, 2014, 12:16:33 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 12:20:41 pm
What I can propose you is a duel, in 4-6 months. We each choose a province or two we are willing to give the other if he wins. Or gems, or gold. (I am willing to bet the Owleye's retreat, in the north of our territory)What, who? Abhapsistsha... Ahbasta... Abista...(whatever the name is)? He only killed half a score of militia. I would never send him to a real fight. No sir.
(Yes I know that you have the first in the Hall of Fame. In fact, I witnessed him getting this province all by himself)
Besides, I feel it's hardly fair to challenge somebody half your size to a duel. Shows that you're a tree. Zero people skills, really.
Why do you just wage war like normal people?It says in Divine King's description that he's a gentle being averse to violence. It also says he's decided that violence is ok, but it strikes me as a rather schisophrenic declaration, so I chose to disregard it.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 12, 2014, 12:21:30 pm
Because we are gods, not normal people :)Right now you are merely pretenders.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 12:23:47 pm
No, you!Because we are gods, not normal people :)Right now you are merely pretenders.
Post by: tompliss on July 12, 2014, 12:27:02 pm
Besides, I feel it's hardly fair to challenge somebody half your size to a duel. Shows that you're a tree. Zero people skills, really.Well, that's why you have a gorilla :)
Post by: HopFlash on July 12, 2014, 01:34:30 pm
Because we are gods, not normal people :)that's perfect! (beside that my potential goddess is dead and won't be the only one)
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2014, 01:39:10 pm
Post by: HopFlash on July 12, 2014, 01:44:06 pm
Much like in Stargate SG-1, a dead false god does not necessarily have to remain dead.If I have a stable piece of land where my priest could do their work...then perhaps...but it's only a matter of time when my enemies manage to vanish me. But till that I will pierce them with my little remaining needles :P
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2014, 02:21:09 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 02:40:29 pm
By the by, I'm quite amused you decided to charge your entire army into the province with the deadly-disease-spawning building, which you must have known was there, since it was one of your provinces. How long are you planning to stay there? :PAren't all pangean units recuperating?
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2014, 03:38:25 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 12, 2014, 03:43:38 pm
This of course brings about the question of whether they can ever die of old age.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 12, 2014, 04:50:25 pm
I guess? It heals afflictions, and disease is an affliction.I think I've read that you can't recuperate old age.
This of course brings about the question of whether they can ever die of old age.
Only the afflictions that come with it.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 12, 2014, 05:11:11 pm
"Recuperation: This unit can heal its battle afflictions over time, unless it has the Old Age icon."
From that I guessed that it wouldn't heal diseases because it says "battle afflictions," and diseases aren't caused by battle in my experience, and would remove afflictions slower than disease adds them (because it says "over time" and disease appears to add them very rapidly).
I would not be too surprised if I was mistaken, however.
Post by: HopFlash on July 12, 2014, 07:39:43 pm
and to answer your question...I don't think that I will stay long :)
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 13, 2014, 02:56:06 am
diseases aren't caused by battle in my experienceMy experience strongly disagrees.
Post by: tompliss on July 14, 2014, 02:06:18 am
Post by: lijacote on July 14, 2014, 02:10:37 am
Post by: tompliss on July 14, 2014, 02:13:54 am
Post by: lijacote on July 14, 2014, 02:18:05 am
Post by: Antur on July 14, 2014, 02:47:57 am
Also i realized i'm at the point where i'm supposed to have something serious for stuff like that. Not that i have.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 14, 2014, 03:02:29 am
Then, amidst the static, a vision began to clarify. It was a human male robed in splendor, wearing a wide brimmed headgear and what foreign merchants call "a suit". He turned to the King and spoke in strange dialect, not too dissimilar from Soutern markata vernacular.
He said:
-"It is I, George of the Bushland. Listen carefully for I shan't repeat myself.
I hear yer the president of this here country. My agents tell me there are deamons in the base... I mean, there are weapons of mass destruction being stockpiled in the North. We've seen pictures of ice tubes that could conceivably, perhaps, surely, be construed to look not completely unlike those we hypothethically think may have been or could be some time in the unspecified future used to gather a critical mass of bloodslaves. You must kill the deamons! ...I mean, you must prevent the construction of Illwinter!"
-"Oh, magnificent George, but we are a land of peace and non-violence. We abhor war and invasions. We follow the Plan 9 From Outer space, and his teachings of full disclosure and campaigns of information!"
-"It is o.k. my child. Turns out wars are doubleplusfine if you make them in order to spread freedoom and your particular version of governmental system..." he momentarily paused to dodge a passing shoe-like object with his lightning reflexes "...backed by superior firepower. Besides, you know full well that there is a terrorist attack in the pipeline, aimed at removing your Tree from the landscape. Just do nothing to prevent it, and you can blame whomever you want for it.
I must go now, my people need me and my precious bodily fluids. I cannot deny them my essence any longer. Farewell!"
Post by: tompliss on July 14, 2014, 04:13:24 am
... another day !
Post by: lijacote on July 14, 2014, 05:14:44 am
I see my water gems came back to me. They sprouted tentacles but that's expected when they sit around fishes too long.The Father wishes you no harm. We are merely fulfilling our duty, here, and our battle was an accident.
Also i realized i'm at the point where i'm supposed to have something serious for stuff like that. Not that i have.
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Post by: tompliss on July 14, 2014, 05:00:26 pm
I postponed myself, and I think I'll be able to send my turn 1 hour before the deadline. Sorry guys ^^'
Post by: AlStar on July 15, 2014, 02:38:31 pm
You were supposed to be forced into battle with me, attacking Arco, or taking on the Great Independent Province of the Vinemen.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 15, 2014, 04:40:44 pm
A couple of turns from now we are going to have our showdown Fomoria.
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The Wrath of God has wounded 66 heretics and killed 10.It's good to be God.
Post by: tompliss on July 15, 2014, 04:45:03 pm
I even wonder why he's only siegeing 2 of my forts simultaneously...
Post by: Mindmaker on July 15, 2014, 04:46:07 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 15, 2014, 04:49:59 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 15, 2014, 04:56:01 pm
Might cast Eyes of God myself if I survive my continent.
Post by: tompliss on July 15, 2014, 05:01:55 pm
but the rebels will strike back !
Post by: lijacote on July 15, 2014, 06:22:54 pm
I see all.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 15, 2014, 06:24:44 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 15, 2014, 06:47:15 pm
World map is ten gems. Graphs are 5 gems per player.I demand provision for not burning your eyes out.
I see all.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 15, 2014, 06:53:31 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on July 15, 2014, 07:01:50 pm
Post by: AlStar on July 15, 2014, 09:49:39 pm
My upkeep is killing me.Why is it that everyone and their mother, brother, and dog is challenging me? Seriously, as far as I can tell, I'm not doing that well.
A couple of turns from now we are going to have our showdown Fomoria.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 16, 2014, 01:56:13 am
Also the map is very unbalanced as far as province incomes go and you have all those nice forest provinces (which don't reduce income like mountains and wastelands do).
It feels like I have half the income I should have.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 16, 2014, 02:25:10 am
You're lucky. My neighbour is killing me :/Rimward Rise is the only fort that isn't practically empty, so I'd rather go for the low hanging fruit first.
I even wonder why he's only siegeing 2 of my forts simultaneously...
Seriously, tompliss, I've been signalling, rather openly too, my intent for well over a year now. Somehow I've managed to achieve total surprise nonetheless.
Post by: tompliss on July 16, 2014, 04:01:35 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 16, 2014, 01:57:53 pm
Post by: AlStar on July 16, 2014, 05:38:46 pm
I wish I understood what's going on in the South. It seems like an ungodly mess of a free-for-all from where I'm standing. Who's fighting whom?We of the South have done away with your quaint concepts of diplomacy, and instead communicate by force of arms.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 16, 2014, 05:42:20 pm
Post by: lijacote on July 16, 2014, 05:54:40 pm
Post by: Antur on July 16, 2014, 06:01:46 pm
No more underwater ulmish scouts coming to visit lately makes me sad. Maybe it's time to get these mind hunts going..
Post by: Mindmaker on July 16, 2014, 06:16:46 pm
Don't think I'm not seeing those unused armies at each of your fortresses. Trying to make me do the dirty work.
Post by: AlStar on July 16, 2014, 07:54:11 pm
edit:
Your armies are pretty strong.Meant to answer this before - you're not missing much: all of the forest provinces are tiny. I'm barely earning 100 gold from the lot.
Also the map is very unbalanced as far as province incomes go and you have all those nice forest provinces (which don't reduce income like mountains and wastelands do).
It feels like I have half the income I should have.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 16, 2014, 08:14:28 pm
Post by: lijacote on July 17, 2014, 02:57:14 am
Wow, R'lyeh. I don't know how high you must've cranked the defense on that province, but it certainly put up more of a fight than expected.I figured that against sea trolls shark tribe triton PD is a very good investment. They did kill a good, healthy amount of them -- and got a hydromancer to boot! Shame about the sea king escaping.
It's also a pretty important province. From there, I can relatively easily launch attacks against any neighbouring provinces and then retreat safely.
Not to mention that a fort is about to be finished there...
Post by: Mindmaker on July 17, 2014, 05:58:49 pm
Oh well, it did it's job.
I really should let more mages to air their heads on the battlefield.
Post by: AlStar on July 17, 2014, 06:27:30 pm
I expected Firestorm to be more impressive.
Oh well, it did it's job.
I really should let more mages to air their heads on the battlefield.
Well, I don't think it's exaggerating to say that it won you the battle (or at least, did it with far, far less casualties) so I think it was impressive enough.
Shame your mages got it in their heads to start casting banishment - my bane lord pretty much singlehandedly beat back the entire front he was on.
Post by: tompliss on July 19, 2014, 06:15:31 am
Well, all is well :)
Post by: AlStar on July 21, 2014, 05:50:38 pm
Oh, you didn't order them? No refunds, I'm afraid.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 21, 2014, 06:04:28 pm
I'm more upset that a certain someone won't talk to me.
Post by: AlStar on July 21, 2014, 06:14:38 pm
If I manage to take out someone important, all the better.
Post by: Antur on July 22, 2014, 02:39:28 am
Post by: tompliss on July 22, 2014, 02:50:12 am
I also felt i'm falling behind in army power with about every nation so better get it over now.Well, I can tell you you're not the worst, here.
(Capital captured, God killed, Prophet fleeing)
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 22, 2014, 07:42:44 am
By the way, where did you get all those fire drakes from? An event? All I ever get is some gnomes and lamias.
And ugh. Fucking, planting trees is so hard in this day and age.
Post by: tompliss on July 22, 2014, 07:45:05 am
And the drakes come from the "oh, a peasant found some drakes who like him" event, yeah. I guess putting points in luck can help :)
By the way, I'm really curious about how many nature gems you spent on those Mother Aok spells, but I'd rather have you not tell me as long as I'm not totally dead :p
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 22, 2014, 07:56:57 am
Post by: tompliss on July 22, 2014, 08:30:31 am
I can tell you the last one was minimum casting.No, you can't !
Because now, I'm gonna have to build a lab in a province and cast dispel, just to make you waste some more nature gems :(
Oh wel,, it's doesn't matter if it isn't there anymore, does it ? :/
Post by: lijacote on July 22, 2014, 11:09:48 am
I'm not sure if lijacote managed to string a Dispell before casting Maelstrom, or if I was just so blessed by Providence's uglier sister.Dispel somehow managed to happen before Maelstrom, even though the caster is apparently later in ID -- perhaps there's an exception there, or it's random? But yes, dispel happened.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 22, 2014, 11:12:17 am
Post by: lijacote on July 22, 2014, 11:27:01 am
Post by: tompliss on July 22, 2014, 12:36:25 pm
Oh, and I just saw, watching the battle at my fortress : The Light of the Northern Star spell increases the astral magic of all mages. ALL MAGES. you enhanced the fatigue spell my lucky astral mages cast, reducing the number of troops that wer eable to reach the entrance at a time :D
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 22, 2014, 03:13:05 pm
Oh, and I just saw, watching the battle at my fortress : The Light of the Northern Star spell increases the astral magic of all mages. ALL MAGES. you enhanced the fatigue spell my lucky astral mages cast, reducing the number of troops that wer eable to reach the entrance at a time :DWell, that wouldn't have mattered much, had my communion worked right(I think one Yogi too many got bonked on the head with a tower-shot boulder). All those paralysis spells were supposed to be enslave mind.
Post by: tompliss on July 22, 2014, 03:40:33 pm
If I were you, I would GoR him to lead an army, and do so with each nation you conquer : get one of their best units to lead an army, and form an alliance of all the nations :D
Post by: Mindmaker on July 24, 2014, 03:28:31 am
Not even rain can stop me. Nice try though.
Post by: AlStar on July 24, 2014, 07:10:38 am
Edit: Ouch, certainly didn't come out ahead on that one. If only my wolves had managed to maul your casters, it might've all worked out... but they didn't, and it didn't, and then I lost a giant, which sucks.
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 25, 2014, 02:57:45 am
Post by: lijacote on July 25, 2014, 03:04:25 am
:P
Post by: HopFlash on July 25, 2014, 04:20:33 am
Post by: tompliss on July 25, 2014, 04:45:44 am
I'd like to thank tompliss for staying around to the bitter end. I would have probably set myself to AI long before now, were I in your shoes.Well, that's because you don't know what I have left.
You'll understand, when your whole empire freezes.
By the way, other nations : Kailasa has an empire. A real one. A big one. The one that will destroy you if you don't destroy it in the next years.
I can say one thing : I will be able to kill anyone, anywhere. Except I won't, if you make sure Kailasa get crushed.
Kailasa : I'll see you in hell. and I'll make sure it has frozen when you're there :)
Post by: AlStar on July 25, 2014, 05:55:03 am
Capitulate, Fomoria! It is the end for the south if you continue resisting! Just let it ha--- Arcoscephale is growing. Rapidly. Also Kailasa! If you don't give me army bases in the south, then Kailasa will win!
:P
Yes, and I had two armies heading for Arcoscephale territory before you obliterated one of them. Feel free to - you know - attack him, and not me.
Post by: Antur on July 25, 2014, 08:14:47 am
Spoiler: Arco flawless long-term strategy (click to show/hide)
Post by: tompliss on July 25, 2014, 08:25:16 am
I thought I would still be playing, as long as I had dominion. Well, that's for not getting to my emergency province not quick enough :/
Post by: Il Palazzo on July 25, 2014, 09:01:19 am
Post by: tompliss on July 25, 2014, 09:09:31 am
I had a few magic-paths and gems left, as well as constr-6 to forge what was missing to gather what I needed for my mission : raid anyone who didn't attack you.
clearly disappointed that having my prophet alive and a godo dozen provinces with 5+ candles left wasn't enough to stay in the game, though.
@Ragnoff : good thing you told me, I didn't see that ^^"
Post by: Ragnoff on July 25, 2014, 10:20:26 am
Post by: Mindmaker on July 25, 2014, 11:51:42 am
You are welcome to try.Spoiler: Arco flawless long-term strategy (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shadowlord on July 25, 2014, 04:12:44 pm
I'm curious...what's going on in the east?
If you mean the northeast, Ulm launched an invasion of my lands a couple turns ago, and owing to the fact that he had far more territory, far more income, far more research, and far more troops, he's been blitzing through all my un-forted provinces. I ordered my military to fall back from two forts because I lacked the troops to defend everything. I ordered spies to blow up the forts and labs in both locations, but they only blew up the labs, and once the enemy armies arrived, the command to blow up the forts disappeared for some inexplicable reason... It's not like I didn't still control the forts. ??? (One of them has fallen now)
I also had a mage cast Twiceborn before the fort he was in got stormed. The wight mage he respawned as was lacking a head... Well, he can still reinforce the walls!
Post by: Ragnoff on July 25, 2014, 04:48:57 pm
I dont know why the forts did not go, I would have thought that would work and would have been a major coup to keep me from taking. Does anyone know how that works?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on July 25, 2014, 05:23:12 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on July 25, 2014, 08:13:31 pm
The final evidence in this is there is actually a step, near the very end of the turn sequence, called reclaim province. In this step, if a fort is in a province and does not own that province, but is no longer besieged, the fort will "take ownership" of the province.
So basically, in order to destroy a fortress or a laboratory, one would have to give the order the turn before they are attacked. Once one has been besieged the defender is no longer considered to be the owner of the province and thus cannot impact buildings in the province.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 26, 2014, 01:59:38 am
Post by: Antur on July 26, 2014, 09:42:45 am
Also where the you get all these cool units.. Adventurers,Ethereal knights, that arena fire spirit is normal conjuration thing i suppose ?
Post by: AlStar on July 26, 2014, 09:52:45 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 26, 2014, 09:57:13 am
Spoiler: pictures (click to show/hide)
The water elementals were all from water bottles that I acquired from his dead scouts and such, too.
Post by: tompliss on July 26, 2014, 10:24:12 am
So I just killed Ulm's pretender [...] [Bane Lord's picturesYou know that's not a pretender, right ?
that's a bane, lord, just another conjuration commander anyone (with access to death magic) can get...
With nice items and good experience, but only a classic Super Combatant :D
Post by: lijacote on July 26, 2014, 11:08:28 am
Post by: Mindmaker on July 26, 2014, 11:47:32 am
Aw, i wanted to at least see how good Dark Skies is. Abysians have darkvision anyway so it's not like it's that bad for you.I'm more worried about -1 morale per enemy candle, despite my prophet giving crazy +6 morale.
Also where the you get all these cool units.. Adventurers,Ethereal knights, that arena fire spirit is normal conjuration thing i suppose ?
Etheral Knight was an event and was mostly a gaudy troop transporter, since I didn't have the construction to make him into a thug.
Post by: Ragnoff on July 26, 2014, 12:08:47 pm
I am still learning to kit out these guys, he was very effective as a raider, not so much as an SC.
Ragnoff
Post by: tompliss on July 26, 2014, 12:19:47 pm
Ethereal (missed by 75% for non-magic attacks) with 10 protection and 25 def skill.
It means that he will dodge most strikes, but those that will hit him will hit him at nearly full power.
Post by: Biowraith on July 26, 2014, 12:21:47 pm
Also where the you get all these cool units.. AdventurersI got him from an event, just showed up one day. Wasn't very good though.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 26, 2014, 01:34:10 pm
Looking at old turn files, apparently not only did I mistake him for being Ulm's pretender, I thought that he came from Toemuck Fen 3 turns ago, but that was a completely different Bane Lord (who I also mistook for being Ulm's pretender at the time). :o
Post by: Ragnoff on July 26, 2014, 01:53:45 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 26, 2014, 01:56:21 pm
Ok, that may not be a really good news :)
Post by: Ragnoff on July 26, 2014, 11:18:18 pm
Post by: tompliss on July 27, 2014, 02:02:09 am
I got a disease, as a combat affliction, in 4.05, where I was expanding in the early game with a Virtue. And Of course, I had no mean of curing it, so she simply died because she took a bad blow, one year before ... :/
This doesn't make me like expanders.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on July 27, 2014, 04:29:35 am
By contrast a dragon can be hit by most things and due to its ridiculous HP pool it's unlikely to be diseased. Though of course any time you get hit there's a miniscule chance of getting diseased, even gods should be considered expendable in that regard.
Regarding virtue in particular. While you can successfully expand with her, in terms of raw expansion efficiency you can't really beat dragons. With virtue you trade off some early efficiency for the fact that midgame onwards you can gear her up and have her cast some of the best buff spells thanks to AS paths. Dragons don't really have the same kind of longevity in usefulness. So (and this is very much a personal opinion) I'd describe virtue as a second rate expander and thus having a bad experience with her shouldn't really reflect your view on "proper" expanders.
Post by: Shadowlord on July 27, 2014, 07:23:51 am
Post by: Ragnoff on July 27, 2014, 08:48:14 am
In the meantime, we are gearing up towards a climactic battle, which I can't wait to see! (Oh may the turns to go by quickly).
Post by: Mindmaker on July 27, 2014, 11:59:16 am
I hope those Wind Riders die in a literal fire.
Post by: Antur on July 27, 2014, 01:25:10 pm
This game is turning into micromanagement hell.Being annoying distraction is our national sport.
I hope those Wind Riders die in a literal fire.
Post by: AlStar on July 28, 2014, 05:53:22 pm
(http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/28463803915683689/BDC7BFC9B4523E2F9DF01CBACFA0369ECE512C16/)
My only regret is that my troops decided to go after the many water-bottled elementals instead of the fleeing slave mages. We easily could have killed twice as many if my air elementals had taken after them sooner.
Spoils go to the victor, and I'm now the proud owner of 3 bottles of living water, a water bracelet, and an amulet of the fish.
edit: Although not a perfect measure, since I used a fair number of summoned troops, gold costs for the fight were 2699 gold for R'lyeh and 945 gold for myself.
edit^2: By the way, if you don't mind me asking - did you actually expect to win that battle? Before this turn came up, I gave myself 75/25 odds of getting to my castle, only to find you'd slithered off into the sea.
Post by: Antur on July 29, 2014, 03:53:12 am
In completely unrelated news (alright, related since i need my dominions fix) , do we have enough willing people to make another round ?
Post by: tompliss on July 29, 2014, 04:20:29 am
In completely unrelated news (alright, related since i need my dominions fix) , do we have enough willing people to make another round ?I woud thin so, especially if you don't mind a smaller scale one :
4.05 stopped a while ago, 2 players lost in 4.07 (went AI less than a week ago), I lost in 4.06, and it looks like other players would soon join me in hell,...
Don't hesitate to set up the 4.08 thread ;)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on July 29, 2014, 04:24:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Did you order your guys in your fort to 'Break Siege'? Based on my understanding of the manual that should have combined your forces for a battle.
I might be up for a small (5-7) LA game.
Post by: tompliss on July 29, 2014, 04:50:44 am
PS: putting an option on Man :D
Post by: lijacote on July 29, 2014, 06:10:23 am
Post by: HopFlash on July 29, 2014, 06:20:17 am
Post by: Shadowlord on July 29, 2014, 07:10:58 am
Still, killing 302 enemy troops in my last real battle isn't a bad way to go. (I have a few provinces left, but I doubt that will last long, since I only have a token force running around there)
Post by: Mindmaker on July 29, 2014, 07:39:17 am
Post by: tompliss on July 29, 2014, 07:57:49 am
Players apparently want a "small" game (5-7 players ?), so you should hurry if you want to be in ;)
Post by: Mindmaker on July 29, 2014, 07:58:05 am
I just hope it hurt you more than it did me.
Post by: Antur on July 29, 2014, 08:14:00 am
Post by: tompliss on July 29, 2014, 08:18:24 am
Post by: Antur on July 29, 2014, 08:20:43 am
Post by: E. Albright on July 29, 2014, 08:28:26 am
Post by: Mindmaker on July 29, 2014, 08:32:53 am
I believed rain would shut down firestorm due to fatigue but it seems it was not enough.Going over the fatigue caps doesn't prevent you from casting spells.
Post by: tompliss on July 29, 2014, 10:24:58 am
Also, some little things :
Units will set their movement the moment they can. This means units set to "hold & attack rear" will move using the means they have the first time they try to move (so gift of flight won't make them fly, at least not if the caster is lower then them in the unit list and/or he doesn't cast in the first turn), and they will target the units that were at the rear during thir first turn.
I've seen light cavalry used as decoy that way : put at the rearmost of th battlefield and set to guard a commander at the front, to be targetted by "(hold and) attack rear" enemies.
Post by: Mindmaker on July 30, 2014, 02:11:54 pm
This is your capital, right? The nations that don't have obvious capital names confuse me.
Post by: Puzzlemaker on July 30, 2014, 02:20:06 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on August 01, 2014, 10:55:42 am
While I do not begrudge a needed delay, would it be possible for someone to post on the thread when one happens, particularly one longer than a couple hours? I expected to need to be available for a couples important turns today between the 2 games and it would have been nice to know when making plans these games were not running over the weekend and thus I would have a bit more free time.
Thanks
Ragnoff
Post by: tompliss on August 01, 2014, 11:10:33 am
I delayed both as lijacote isn't here for the weekend, and as I was at work, didn't take the time to post about it. :/
Post by: Mindmaker on August 04, 2014, 03:05:17 pm
Because I'll be gone for the rest this week starting the day after tomorrow.
Post by: tompliss on August 04, 2014, 03:19:54 pm
Post by: lijacote on August 04, 2014, 03:26:42 pm
Post by: AlStar on August 04, 2014, 10:05:57 pm
Tonight! Only 3~~ hours until I can do my turns I think.*cough*
(Unless those ~'s are possible numbers, in which case we should be ready to wait up to 399 hours...)
Post by: tompliss on August 05, 2014, 01:50:24 am
Post by: lijacote on August 05, 2014, 05:14:33 am
Post by: Mindmaker on August 05, 2014, 06:13:38 am
Something is really wrong about this game (I blame the premade map), since I barely had over a 1000 income (currently down to 581, with upkeep higher than that) even with 20+ provinces, due them being either mountains, wastes or both. This isn't even remotely enough to maintain an army as expensive as the Abyssian one.
Post by: Shadowlord on August 05, 2014, 10:29:35 am
Post by: Antur on August 05, 2014, 10:55:06 am
And goddamn if seduction is not trying to be hard to use. And that in addition to my oreiads being too dumb to use gem spells when seducing fails.
Post by: Shadowlord on August 05, 2014, 11:10:04 am
I have to say, it is nice that I can still send things while under siege (to other players, and to/from labs, not that I have any others anymore), and that they get sent before siegers have a chance to charge in and kill everyone.
Post by: Ragnoff on August 05, 2014, 11:49:55 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on August 05, 2014, 01:38:29 pm
Yeah if i didn't get Berytian capital my income would be horrible too. It's like there's one good province out of ten useless in the whole eastern part of this continent.
And goddamn if seduction is not trying to be hard to use. And that in addition to my oreiads being too dumb to use gem spells when seducing fails.
Good rule of thumb I've heard regarding seduction is to consider it an assassination that has a small chance of succeeding automatically. Ie. always make sure your assassin can kill whatever it tries to
Post by: Mindmaker on August 05, 2014, 04:20:03 pm
Sub me if you want.
Post by: Ragnoff on August 11, 2014, 07:34:28 am
Post by: Antur on August 11, 2014, 07:47:49 am
Hmm. Hope update won't cause any trouble.
Post by: tompliss on August 11, 2014, 08:52:40 am
Post by: Ragnoff on August 11, 2014, 10:02:50 am
Not sure the answer here, do we need to turn OFF quickhost until we figure it out?
Post by: Antur on August 11, 2014, 10:15:48 am
Post by: Ragnoff on August 11, 2014, 10:21:57 am
Post by: tompliss on August 11, 2014, 10:23:25 am
Post by: Ragnoff on August 12, 2014, 07:21:08 am
Post by: Antur on August 12, 2014, 08:51:54 am
Spoiler: Ew (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mindmaker on August 12, 2014, 09:14:09 am
Post by: Antur on August 12, 2014, 09:31:32 am
Also getting prophet diseased is no fun.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 13, 2014, 01:50:35 pm
Post by: AlStar on August 13, 2014, 07:40:10 pm
I'm going to be away from a computer from Friday - Sunday. There's a chance I'll be able to play Sunday night, but I'm not certain exactly when I'll be getting home. So I'd like to request that whatever turn ends up showing up on Friday or Saturday gets its time limit extended to Monday.
Thanks.
PS - I'm really starting to hate bottles of living water.
Post by: AlStar on August 14, 2014, 11:24:54 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 15, 2014, 02:58:56 am
Hey, I'd love some kind of confirmation that the next turn will be delayed till Monday...Don't worry, it'll be taken care of. I've PMd tompliss and will take over admin duties.
Unless somebody else wants to volunteer.
Post by: lijacote on August 15, 2014, 03:33:14 am
(I'm not comfortable with being the head administrator, but I'm fine with continuing as a postpone-monkey (not that I've been very good at it))
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 15, 2014, 03:45:23 am
I've got the admin password, and I'm likely to be around for the forseeable future, so I'll be taking care of it all.
Post by: lijacote on August 15, 2014, 03:54:13 am
I am miserable. I wish I had dyslexia to defend myself with.
Quote from: The kings of Fomoria
PS - I'm really starting to hate bottles of living water.Bottled water is pretty horrible. There's no supervision, so no surprise it just up and starts murdering PD. I just hope there aren't any worse things lurking in those Naive(TM) bottles.
Post by: AlStar on August 15, 2014, 05:31:56 am
Great, thanks - There's a lot going on in my empire these days, and missing a turn could quite easily be a major blow.Hey, I'd love some kind of confirmation that the next turn will be delayed till Monday...Don't worry, it'll be taken care of. I've PMd tompliss and will take over admin duties.
Unless somebody else wants to volunteer.
Off till Sunday/Monday, see ya'll then!
Post by: Ragnoff on August 16, 2014, 10:05:04 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 17, 2014, 02:21:57 am
Post by: lijacote on August 17, 2014, 03:36:05 am
Post by: Mindmaker on August 17, 2014, 04:23:54 am
Resending it and taking a double turn. I'm sorry for the inconvenience.
Post by: Ragnoff on August 18, 2014, 02:21:32 pm
Thanks and sorry.
Post by: lijacote on August 18, 2014, 02:23:21 pm
I hope you resolve whatever business you've gotten yourself into, Ragnoff. But after that, kill Kailasa.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shadowlord on August 18, 2014, 03:08:16 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: AlStar on August 18, 2014, 11:41:32 pm
Post by: tompliss on August 19, 2014, 01:20:24 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 19, 2014, 03:14:04 am
Post by: tompliss on August 19, 2014, 03:17:54 am
If you worry about your battle units, well then... It's only a compensation to want they did to pacifist giants !
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 19, 2014, 03:28:33 am
Post by: Mindmaker on August 19, 2014, 04:38:11 am
My highest path is S5 in this regard.
Post by: Ragnoff on August 19, 2014, 06:19:56 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 19, 2014, 06:51:14 am
Post by: lijacote on August 19, 2014, 07:27:35 am
Post by: Shadowlord on August 19, 2014, 08:06:53 am
Post by: Biowraith on August 19, 2014, 02:03:33 pm
So is anyone in a position to kill Helheim, or are we going to pool astral pearls to get rid of Burden of Time?Helheim's in the process of being killed, just wanted to leave the world something to remember us by.
Post by: AlStar on August 20, 2014, 12:06:51 am
Your great armies have once again have been soundly defeated; leave my shores and bother me no more!
(Seriously, you lost 960 gold in mages and commanders, plus one of your Sea Kings - dropping 50-odd gems worth of stuff while you were at it. What's it take to convince you there are better targets?)
Post by: lijacote on August 20, 2014, 01:00:37 am
I'm also not convinced this is not fruitful. This is a war of attrition. Each wave corrodes the cliff's feet, until at last its face falls. But I am prepared to give your terms again. Check your PMs.
Post by: Mindmaker on August 21, 2014, 03:12:42 am
Post by: Mindmaker on August 24, 2014, 05:58:42 pm
Nice battle, but that stray stone at the end of it? What are the odds?
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 25, 2014, 04:23:37 am
Post by: Ragnoff on August 25, 2014, 09:54:10 am
Could I please have a 6 hour extension so i can work on it tonight after I teach?
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 25, 2014, 09:55:28 am
What do you teach by the way?
Post by: tompliss on August 25, 2014, 10:12:47 am
Post by: Ragnoff on August 25, 2014, 10:28:56 am
Post by: Mindmaker on August 26, 2014, 02:28:18 am
I didn't expect much out of this thug (I just used a free hero chasis and random items I had plundered from enemies), but getting instagibbed hurts.
Post by: AlStar on August 26, 2014, 08:50:41 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 27, 2014, 04:52:09 am
Post by: Ragnoff on August 27, 2014, 10:17:51 am
Normally classes starting up don' cause a s many problems but with issues both with the new learning software and in my main business things are chaotic.
Ragnoff
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 27, 2014, 10:41:49 am
Do try and get your turns in earlier than that, though. It's often the case where some people treat the longer interval as an excuse to procrastinate, which drags the games out without any good reason.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 29, 2014, 08:07:53 am
Post by: lijacote on August 29, 2014, 08:41:16 am
Uh...
Post by: Mindmaker on August 29, 2014, 08:42:25 am
Boy, I've really fallen behind in research.
Post by: lijacote on August 29, 2014, 08:44:11 am
Post by: Mindmaker on August 29, 2014, 08:49:47 am
Down south things are getting less complicated, but it will take some time until we have resolved everything.
At least I can finally research again.
I just hope the game isn't over until either of us there can participate in the rest of the game.
I don't think the sailing mod did a lot, other than splitting up the continents.
Apparently you can use it to raid coastal provinces, but I've yet to try it.
Post by: lijacote on August 29, 2014, 08:50:50 am
I don't think the sailing mod did a lot, other than splitting up the continents.Yeah. I don't think it was a good function, considering mages can't sail regardless.
Apparently you can use it to raid coastal provinces, but I've yet to try it.
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 29, 2014, 08:55:40 am
And then there's all those nations with size 3+ units that can't fit on the ships for some reason.I don't think the sailing mod did a lot, other than splitting up the continents.Yeah. I don't think it was a good function, considering mages can't sail regardless.
Apparently you can use it to raid coastal provinces, but I've yet to try it.
Post by: Ragnoff on August 29, 2014, 07:06:53 pm
Ragnoff
Post by: lijacote on August 30, 2014, 12:43:53 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on August 30, 2014, 01:39:14 pm
Post by: lijacote on August 30, 2014, 01:40:40 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on August 30, 2014, 04:06:36 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on August 30, 2014, 04:22:46 pm
447 beings fought, 435 died, and that was only one of the battles this month.....
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 30, 2014, 06:02:02 pm
I died a little inside when I looked at what targets your supercombatants chose compared to mine.
You: Kill the guy with the artifacts! Kill the mages!
Me: Kill those locusts! Wolves, kill the wolves! And the fairies, now go for the fairies!
Back to the drawing board! :D
Post by: Ragnoff on August 30, 2014, 07:19:45 pm
I wonder how many artifacts ended up trampled and destroyed in that battle.
Some of my best and brightest smiths, shaman and other mages died as they tried to flee, although i won that certainly hurt my combat capacity.
Would you mind if I posted the battle report after the next turn? I think people would be interested to see how much is no longer in the game and I don't think it would give too much away at that point.....
Post by: Il Palazzo on August 30, 2014, 07:27:50 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on August 30, 2014, 07:33:38 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on August 31, 2014, 09:22:20 am
Holds important territory and has good research, turtled much of the game. Not a dominate power but should be something there to play with. Sitting on the only lvl 3 throne, so important even if it would be hard to win.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 01, 2014, 12:50:35 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on September 03, 2014, 06:23:17 am
That would be embarassing.
Post by: AlStar on September 03, 2014, 07:02:52 am
I really hope nobody noticed that I forgot to craft Jars of Fire until now.
That would be embarassing.
Well, you were obviously too busy using those gems to buff up your mages in battle. There's no time to create items that give you free gems every battle!
Post by: Mindmaker on September 03, 2014, 01:22:15 pm
I just needed to restlessly destroy those giants, without losing to much on my front.
Mainly talking about all the battlefield enchantments I'm using every fight.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 05, 2014, 07:01:25 am
Do try and get your turns in earlier than that, though. It's often the case where some people treat the longer interval as an excuse to procrastinate, which drags the games out without any good reason.I'm eating those words! I'm eating them with Marmite to kill the hypocritical taste, but it won't go. Oh, it won't go.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 09, 2014, 08:43:17 am
Post by: lijacote on September 09, 2014, 08:48:42 am
Post by: Ragnoff on September 09, 2014, 08:51:24 am
Post by: Ragnoff on September 09, 2014, 09:00:06 am
I haven't watched the battle, just looked at the results, but that may have been the decisive victory. I thought I have far more magical firepower there than you did. If that force could not win, I doubt I can stop you.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 09, 2014, 09:03:14 am
You should upload it on YouTube ;PNo can do. Not with my consumptive laptop.
Best I could possibly manage is some screenshots.
Maybe Ragnoff will fancy making a double feature with the earlier battle.
@Ragnoff: frankly, I was thinking the same thing - that if I lose this one, I won't be able to stop you.
Post by: lijacote on September 09, 2014, 09:15:22 am
Post by: Ragnoff on September 09, 2014, 09:33:52 am
In our former battle even though you lost you took out a bunch of my best mages, In this battle I don't think I took out anything you cannot instantly replace. That is why I think the balance of power just shifted. I lost several SCs, the pretender god, and many of my remaining top smiths and shaman.
I see the difference was army wide spells/buffs. I was relying too much on attempts to eliminate your casters, and some of the mages that provided my own army wide buffs in the previous battle died. Your troops are so much better than anything i can get that having those buffs and not having the counters was more than i could overcome.
I do think scripting choices hurt me. played again with the same forces i don't know that I could have won, but maybe I could have killed enough to make my position better.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 09, 2014, 10:02:53 am
A flier, like in the previous battle, to land in the rear and slaughter the mages. A nature mage casting relief and regen to prevent your water elemental hordes from getting whittled down by all the fatigue and damage from fire, cold and lightning. One more flames from the sky would conceivably remove enough forces to cripple my battle plan(siddha started the battle half-dead after the one volley).
Oh, and nice snipers you've got there. Picking out nearly all the tartarians in the first couple of rounds or so, no matter where they stood.
Post by: Mindmaker on September 09, 2014, 03:38:08 pm
Post by: Antur on September 09, 2014, 04:01:59 pm
After what feels like a year of sieging, the last bastion is finally going down.My engineers will blot out the sun!by building roofs
So yeah, still have no idea what how to make effective armies as Arco. It's depressing only semi-working idea i had was just massing of pegasi riders.
Post by: E. Albright on September 09, 2014, 04:11:54 pm
(Okay, I exaggerate. A little.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 09, 2014, 04:13:04 pm
There's actually a fairly new EA Arco guide up in the desura forum, won't probably help you too much at this point I figure it might be an interesting read regardless:
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/ea-arcoscephale-unleash-the-kraken-or-will-the-kraken-be-unleashed-on-you
Post by: Mindmaker on September 09, 2014, 04:20:46 pm
I don't remember yours doing all that much in any battle.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 10, 2014, 12:26:37 pm
Post by: lijacote on September 11, 2014, 06:14:08 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 15, 2014, 02:16:04 pm
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 17, 2014, 12:11:22 pm
Assuming people are still interested in continuing.
Post by: lijacote on September 18, 2014, 04:50:15 am
Personally, I'm good with continuing. Would be nice to see at least the end to the battles on the different continents, even if we didn't play it to the technical end -- the lack of land connection might be problematic.
Post by: Ragnoff on September 18, 2014, 06:01:54 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 20, 2014, 05:06:43 pm
Post by: Ragnoff on September 20, 2014, 07:25:14 pm
I THINK all the major problems & deadlines are past and I am working on the turn now. i don't think I will have anything else come up for some time.
I apologize to all for the delay of the game.
Ragnoff
Post by: Mindmaker on September 21, 2014, 05:09:02 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 21, 2014, 05:51:41 am
Has anyone seen anything unusual in this regard?
Post by: E. Albright on September 21, 2014, 08:53:28 am
Quote from: changelog
2014-08-29 14:18:25 +0200
Could not use magic item rituals while sieging
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 21, 2014, 09:22:00 am
You weren't trying to teleport from a beseiged fort, were you? Using item spells at forts you're beseiging is bugged in the current version and does nothing.Oh. That explains it. :/Quote from: changelog2014-08-29 14:18:25 +0200
Could not use magic item rituals while sieging
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 23, 2014, 02:42:48 am
It's a nasty thing to ask after such a long wait, but would it be o.k. with you all if the two of us went AI? This ought to allow the rest of you to continue playing relatively unobstructed, as the continents are not directly connected.
Would that be an acceptable move? I'm pretty sure me and Ragnoff could muster up a bit of grimdark determination to drag along for a while longer, if that's what you deem necessary.
Post by: Mindmaker on September 23, 2014, 04:19:43 am
Post by: Ragnoff on September 23, 2014, 08:38:03 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 23, 2014, 09:39:18 am
Post by: Biowraith on September 24, 2014, 12:35:40 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 24, 2014, 05:31:21 am
I suppose in the absence of objections that's what'll happen.
Post by: Antur on September 24, 2014, 06:02:34 am
Post by: AlStar on September 24, 2014, 07:01:01 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 24, 2014, 04:34:05 pm
Post by: AlStar on September 25, 2014, 04:46:51 am
Post by: Mindmaker on September 25, 2014, 03:14:43 pm
Post by: AlStar on September 25, 2014, 03:30:32 pm
I planned to go for 15.
And... done. Only had a single pair of winged boots to turn one of my Formian druids into a (very) makeshift SC, using all the knickknacks I'd picked up, forged, or otherwise obtained. But hey - who knows, maybe he'll be the MVP of the battle. (He will probably die as soon as he attacks)
Whatever the outcome, I'll probably throw the turn up on dropbox for anyone who was interested to watch the battle, see what I was up to, give criticism, etc.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 25, 2014, 04:53:40 pm
Post by: Mindmaker on September 26, 2014, 07:48:59 am
No hidden tricks, not tactics, just fire.
Edit:
Well, despite my horrible positioning, there wasn't much I could have done to turn it around.
Well played.
So do wo declare the game for finished, or is anybody still playing?
Post by: AlStar on September 26, 2014, 06:07:26 pm
My army will be just classic Abyssia, don't expect too much.
No hidden tricks, not tactics, just fire.
Edit:
Well, despite my horrible positioning, there wasn't much I could have done to turn it around.
Well played.
So do wo declare the game for finished, or is anybody still playing?
Yep, good fight. The mistformed fire protected water elementals pretty much carved through your army almost by themselves - my unmarked were actually mostly in the way, as far as actually killing your guys went. That's a combo I'm going to have to remember for the future.
I think we've lost pretty much the entire north, so I think we may as well call it.
As promised, my turn file: HERE (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ttaohrzym0b19rd/early_fomoria.trn?dl=0)
I'll see if I can come up with an AAR soonish.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 26, 2014, 08:05:35 pm
Also your cap seemed to have a ton of Fomorian Druids on research duty with quills. I would imagine that Fir Bolg would be far more cost-effective, but I guess they were part researchers, part garrison in case the squid decided to land near there. I know I'd rather pick Fomorians any day of the week over Fir Bolg when it comes to battle casting.
Post by: AlStar on September 26, 2014, 08:52:00 pm
Based on the battle and looking over the map I'm guessing you didn't recruit many (any?) nemedians. Do you think they're no good or did you simply go with a build that's not suited for them. You'd probably want to take some production at the expense of a bless if you're going to get the nemedian troops, and you seemed to have shelled out for a decent bless. And what about Fomorian Kings, do you think you got enough mileage out of them to justify the fact that you could have had twice as many sorceresses?That's actually something that I would've liked to do more of - make more nemedians - the warriors, at least. Mostly because they play very well with unmarked, filling up empty space in the square while markedly increasing the overall offense/defense of that square over just a regular fir bolg (which I also didn't make enough of). Instead I was using mostly undead chaff - which works, but isn't great.
9N4E, 1Prod, 1 Cold, 2 Luck, 1 Magic. I could perhaps have gone with 1 less luck and 1 more production to help produce my cap-only troops; since even though I started in a forest next to two other forests, for a respectable 203 resources, that's still only enough to build 7 unmarked a turn, without anything left over for nemedians, and only a single fir bolg.
So, Kings pro: big bags of HPs, can go underwater, sacred, an extra 1 air (over the nemedians) then +1AWD and 10% AWD. The fact that the nemedians' extra +1 and 10% are both AWDN spreads them out a little too thin, I found. I was mostly looking for big air power to fuel thunder strikes, living clouds, fog warriors, phantasmal armies, and I was more likely to get that with the kings. In the end, it really came down to the HPs/sacred status, since I needed mages that wouldn't melt under Abysian firestorms, and the Kings could regenerate without any extra equipment.
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Also your cap seemed to have a ton of Fomorian Druids on research duty with quills. I would imagine that Fir Bolg would be far more cost-effective, but I guess they were part researchers, part garrison in case the squid decided to land near there. I know I'd rather pick Fomorians any day of the week over Fir Bolg when it comes to battle casting.It's actually close, since the druids are sacred. And yeah, I'd rather have the druids as backup battlemages any day over the Fir Bolg. Only exception - it's worth picking them up until you get an earth random, so he can search for more sites - didn't want to waste my pretender's time looking for earth gem income.
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 27, 2014, 02:49:25 am
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Post by: tompliss on September 28, 2014, 04:00:32 am
I though it would have increased the possiblities (letting you attack where you want instead of in pre-selected provinces), but in fact it prevented cheap scouting (as you would need to put waterbreathing on your scout, and making him spend turns in the ocean), so it prevented most of the interactions. :/
Post by: lijacote on September 28, 2014, 06:44:36 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 28, 2014, 07:54:12 am
I actually started doing just that with Ragnoff's Ulm, but he turned out to be much better prepared than I thought he'd be, so the invasion stalled after capturing one throne. If not for the bug preventing item casting during sieges, I'd be capturing another one this final turn(the one in ex-Machaka) with the same strategy.
Post by: lijacote on September 28, 2014, 08:20:18 am
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