In...if internet permits...We all love you, Tiruin <3
Also if its ok with you guys ._.
In. I swear not to repeat the mistakes of past games.You mean like having the newest player see through your fakeclaim?
Okay fine, if there's one thing I'm good at, it's breaking oaths to myself.Having a bad streak? :c
I'll try one more game.
:IOkay fine, if there's one thing I'm good at, it's breaking oaths to myself.Having a bad streak? :c
I'll try one more game.
Pretty much. I do love to fakeclaim though, it's a flaw of mine.In. I swear not to repeat the mistakes of past games.You mean like having the newest player see through your fakeclaim?
Tempting....
Oh so very tempting...
I have to pass.
Pretty much. I do love to fakeclaim though, it's a flaw of mine.Yeah, well, in the last CYOM you really had no choice as the converter. That game was broken in so many ways, but I apparently made a more convincing case than Leafsnail and predicted his conversion target, so I still remember that as one of my favorite games of mafia, up there with GBU and Jack's BYOR (I actually really enjoyed that, despite what seems to be otherwise).
I'd say join, I entered a bastard mod as my second game, so you're far better off than I am.My third game, and first non-bm, was semi-bastard. So yeah, join I guess.
Also, NQT, can the game start be delayed until next Friday, otherwise I have to out.If I do start it sooner, I'll mod-extend the day so you have time to post.
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Shake It All AboutYou Do The Hokey-Cokey And You Turn AroundThat's What It's All About
Alright, then. In!Great to have you on board!
Mod's choice, really. No harm in asking.You in too?
I'm very excited about this. Tailoring your own role sounds great ^^I only run the kind of game I would want to play in most.
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NQT: How long do you plan on keeping signups open for?Until sometime next week. Depends on the uptake we get.
I'm In, as a player or replacement. at the very least ptw.Good to have you aboard. Hope you live longer this time!
Kills won't be processed for the first 24 hours of each Day, to allow everyone a chance to see the thread and send in an action.
I have sent roles and mask colours out. You have until 4.30PM BST (GMT+1) to spend your points. You don't have to spend all your points, but remember you can only take flaws at this stage.
The second option: you can only voluntarily take flaws during character creation; any flaws you get afterwards (through being cursed etc.) don't give experience points. You can gain points during the game by surviving days.I have sent roles and mask colours out. You have until 4.30PM BST (GMT+1) to spend your points. You don't have to spend all your points, but remember you can only take flaws at this stage.Just to clarify, you mean that taking flaws is the only method of getting more points to spend or that you can take only flaws before the day starts?
The Doge himself stands at the head of the hall.
"Ladies, Gentlemen, Swine, welcome to my humble abode," he begins in the bright light of ten thousand candles in the fifty crystal chandeliers. "Dance like you mean it, and should anyone be a less than courteous dancer, then we will unmask them!"
Toaster: Hello kuya! ^ ^
Hmm...Also hugs!
Nightless game. Color-tags. Any opinion on the color-scheme mechanic or is it just me that (may have probably :x) has the idea that the addition of color-bound-to-person/mask details have deeper connotations?
Reverie: So first thing's first.Mafia = stress, like always. I don't bend very well under stress, so I guess it's a bit of fortitude training for me :p
Long time no see! Also hugs
How's your outlook for Mafia going in the current days? :o Anything changed from before?
Also why Reverie? I like Flandre! :P Also I didn't know it was Touhou referenced.
Not that I even know what Touhou is, other than something something awesome battle girls and awesome music and all...
Reverie, what's your favorite color??Pastel red, not quite pink. How about yours?
As for my name, I changed it because I got tired of being a Touhou reference, basically.
Scripten: I haven't seen you play. Do you prefer to find scum through clever role usage or insightful arguments?
Scripten: Do you think you'd have more fun as town or scum in this game?
Toonyman:Funny! Mine too!Reverie, what's your favorite color??Pastel red, not quite pink. How about yours?
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?Probably not, no.
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?
Deathsword: You're the only player here with whom I've actually played a game so far. I've never played a masquerade game before. Do you think that it is important for everyone to know what mask goes with what player in these games?This is my first game with this masque mechanic (I think it's the first time in the forum, someone correct me on this if needed). But yeah, finding who's behind each mask will probably be important for both town and scum.
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?
Deathsword: Can you dance?Yup
Silthuri: Do you think that vigilantes will be a danger to town with the mask system in play?Unless I've got it wrong, I think they will. Since actions are based on mask color rather than the actual people, it'd be hard to target the people you think are scummy if you don't know their mask color. In any case, they'd be more dangerous to town than normal.
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?I honestly don't know.
Flabort: Do you think there will be many hammers?Possibly. I'd rather avoid them, as they stifle conversation, but this being a nightless game where a hammer resets power usages, they may come into play far more than usual.
Flabort: What do you think of charitable roles, such as Santa or Gift?I think that they can be powerful if used right. If the scum has Santa, for example, it would spell horror for the town. I can't imagine town players would pick Santa or Gift though, because the odds of giving scum an ability are too high.
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?Doesn't change that dynamic much, except possibly after around the third day (where we already have enough evidence on one mask and would like to find out who to lynch for what that mask did).
TolyK Why are other players already being asked multiple questions when only Tiruin has asked you one? Do you think being asked questions has an effect on your play? Do you think asking questions has an affect on other people's play?1) Probably because people are using a (pseudo-)random system, and I got the short end of the stick in this respect. :P
TolyK: Hi. You. \o/I see my reputation precedes me.
I'll ask you one thing. Also hugs.
What's your stance on lurking, activity-per-person in this game, and its association with allignment?
Varee: In the BYOR you faked cluelessness to prove you were town. Do you think this will make any new genuine mistakes you make look scummy?
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?I did not that and still do not think that role fishing is scummy, i see it as one way to find out more information and conflict with in a person as it is one thing that you can either avoid answer or lying. I feel like it is a legit type of question.
Also in a masquerade do you vote mask color or vote name?Only our abilities target masks; for votes we use names.
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?Do you intend to colour profile and give it weight in your decisions?
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?Do you intend to colour profile and give it weight in your decisions?
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?Currently, I'm assuming the mask colors are random. Ask again in a few nights, and I might have a decent profile.
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?
@Spacefaye: I don't reconize you, have you played here before?
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@Reverie: Wait you're Flandre. . . Ok that makes sense :P. How do you think Deep-South will affect the game?Without nights, this game should be more involved than usual - good town play will be especially important for its success. The mask mechanic benefits scum more than it does for town, so we have a lot of ground to cover if we expect to get organised.
Great, you can be my partner ^^Deathsword: Can you dance?Yup
@Scripten: Good Luck on your first game-ish! Take it from my experience, lurking is bad, making a bad case is worse. Play smart and I'm sure you'll keep your head above water. If you were scum, what would the power you want most be?
snipYou missed the context, I did that in the other mafia game , i dont intend to do it again as it wouldnt work anyway. Also I feel rolefishing is pointless for scum to do as they pretty much know who no to kill and the rest is just expendable. So I firmly believe this benefit the town more than it benefit the scum as the more you lie the more mistake you tend to make and rolefishing will result in lies.
Varee: In the BYOR you faked cluelessness to prove you were town. Do you think this will make any new genuine mistakes you make look scummy?
I cannot answer that question as it is my intention to do that. It is the others who decided to interpret my actions as scummy or not.
snipAlso I feel rolefishing is pointless for scum to do as they pretty much know who no to kill and the rest is just expendable. So I firmly believe this benefit the town more than it benefit the scum as the more you lie the more mistake you tend to make and rolefishing will result in lies.
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
@Toaster: The Lord Toaster has returned! But without legs how will you dance?
Do you think town benefits more from Information, Protection, or Buff Powers? (Or Killing roles I supposes, but generally not)
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?I think it's somewhere between the three primaries, but closest to red; near to green, though. As a gut feeling. Oh, and not Lemon. Perhaps Beige, or Ochre.
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
@Flabort: It seems like the masques are a scum advantage, but would basicly scum only powers like gossip be stronger or weaker without it?Gossip is weaker. You target a mask, and basically pick a player. There's a small chance that your fake-blatant report shows "lemon mask targeted Jiokuy", where Jiokuy happens to have the lemon mask (I don't actually know your mask, btw, that was a guess).
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?I think you vote names, but action masks.
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
Also in a masquerade do you vote mask color or vote name?
TolyK: How will the lack of breaks in conversation affect scumhunting? Will the change be positive or negative?I think it will be something of a landslide or cascade in terms of votes. Since this is almost like bandwagoning (except unintentional, for the most part), if scum plays on this then it's definitely negative.
@FlabortI don't think I addressed you with a question...? Unless that was meant to be a question directed at me.
TolyK: How will the lack of breaks in conversation affect scumhunting? Will the change be positive or negative?I think it will be something of a landslide or cascade in terms of votes. Since this is almost like bandwagoning (except unintentional, for the most part), if scum plays on this then it's definitely negative.
Toaster How many players do you estimate are unable to vote?
NQT: if someone change mask color will be be notify the next day? or is it a secret?You have to have Self-Peek and target yourself to know for certain if your mask has been swapped.
I , not having played a game like this before, feel like scum kind of have an advantage in that their can cooperate more. for example 2 peopel can pretty much kill 3 on the first turn if they have a kill and a free mimic?That wouldn't be allowed as collectively the scum team can only bring about one kill a day. If a scum mimics a killer on the same turn as another scum kills, the mimicry will fail.
I think you vote names, but action masks.Correct.
Right?
At the beginning of the game, each player is allotted an alignment (either town or scum)/\ that a thing in op so i dont think there a third party.
TolyK:Well, people vote off someone D1 (most likely town), then the most active in that mislynch are more likely to get under suspicion, etc.TolyK: How will the lack of breaks in conversation affect scumhunting? Will the change be positive or negative?I think it will be something of a landslide or cascade in terms of votes. Since this is almost like bandwagoning (except unintentional, for the most part), if scum plays on this then it's definitely negative.
How do you figure?
ToonyMan Can you wait for the mask list to be posted? Are you impatient to find out which colors there are?Not really.
Toaster How many players do you estimate are unable to vote?Already planning your victory, scum??
Toony, haven't seen your play in a while, at least I don't recall. How would you describe your style?Excellent.
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?It's random unless I see a pattern.
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
@Toony: Whyever would I want to eat you Toony? :PJust making sure we don't have another werebear.
Toony: Do you think the continuous activity will cause players to get burned out?Only as an excuse.
Everyone: I'm up for criticism and suggestions. Will this plan flop? Are there ways it could improve?I like it. I can only see it flopping if people have falsified information from certain powers. *Checks list* Mask swap could be used just before the claim to confuse the plan; this can be countered by letting us know if your mask was swapped. Virtuous claims can prove certain blatants, making the players more trustworthy.
@Flabort:Actually, just flawfishing. Trying to figure out if the hammer is calculated based on total votes available, or just on players present. Trying to figure out what players can't vote in an effort to figure out who to trust, and who not to. I wish this information could be used to plan for victory, but I don't see a way that could be possible.Toaster How many players do you estimate are unable to vote?Already planning your victory, scum??
@Scripten:
What do you suppose is the best method to capture scum in this?
TolyK: Why do you believe that actual active players are more scummy than those who active lurk? Or did I misinterpret what you said? (To be clear, I read what you said to be that you would be suspicious of the players who have the most evidence for a lynch, not those who press without reason.)No, I said that crowd mentality leads to those kinds of results. Not actual reads.
TolyK: Why do you believe that actual active players are more scummy than those who active lurk? Or did I misinterpret what you said? (To be clear, I read what you said to be that you would be suspicious of the players who have the most evidence for a lynch, not those who press without reason.)No, I said that crowd mentality leads to those kinds of results. Not actual reads.
Silthuri Does your masque color match your description of your masque? I think the GM typo'd in mine.Only one color is mentioned when speaking about my mask, yes. If you think the mod typo'd, why aren't you asking him?
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?Red is usually associated with bad things, but I highly doubt the scum all have red or similar color masks.
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
You didn't answer the question. I'm basically asking if you think your little lie in the BYOR will make it harder on you in this game because no one will accept your mistakes as town tells anymore, even if you're not doing it on purpose.Varee: In the BYOR you faked cluelessness to prove you were town. Do you think this will make any new genuine mistakes you make look scummy?
I cannot answer that question as it is my intention to do that. It is the others who decided to interpret my actions as scummy or not.
Flabort:I did, and he corrected it, but I think it's amusing how I've gotten two typos so far in my GM PMs :P For which the mod has apologized, and it's not a big deal, but it's pretty amusing.Silthuri Does your masque color match your description of your masque? I think the GM typo'd in mine.Only one color is mentioned when speaking about my mask, yes. If you think the mod typo'd, why aren't you asking him?
Scripten As you say you're not used to there being a lot of powers, and you therefor have a different bias, which powers do you feel are most town or scum aligned?
For most town, I feel like Chat is very useful. It gives some of the power the mafia has to town players.Wait, you actually think Chat would be useful to a townie? I feel quite the opposite about it >.>
Scripten:For most town, I feel like Chat is very useful. It gives some of the power the mafia has to town players.Wait, you actually think Chat would be useful to a townie? I feel quite the opposite about it >.>
There aren't any guarantees that the person your sharing the chat with is who isn't what you thought they are, and I speak from experience. (I was once the lover of a third-party Jim).
A question: would you feel more comfortable speaking in a chat with someone of an uncomfirmed alignment or to the game at large?
Toonyman Please elaborate on why you are voting Scripten. Is it a RVS vote? I don't think you would FoS and do a RVS vote in the same post, so why do you suspect Scripten?Why can't I FoS and RVS vote someone in the same post?
Toonyman Please elaborate on why you are voting Scripten. Is it a RVS vote? I don't think you would FoS and do a RVS vote in the same post, so why do you suspect Scripten?Why can't I FoS and RVS vote someone in the same post?
TolyK What kind of music do you dance to the best?1) I don't dance particularly well, but I know how to waltz decently.
What would you do if the tempo suddenly changed and you got changeling'd?
What would you do if someone used PowerSteal on you?
*boops Tiruin and 4maskwolf*Technically, we have heard from Tiruin, hers was one of the earliest posts. However, she has yet to respond to any questions.
We haven't heard from either of you yet :V
1) Right.TolyK What kind of music do you dance to the best?1) I don't dance particularly well, but I know how to waltz decently.
What would you do if the tempo suddenly changed and you got changeling'd?
What would you do if someone used PowerSteal on you?
2) I'd probably try to go with the beat, but I'd likely mess up horribly. Changeling-ing would be a big change of pace.
3) I'd be surprised they guessed what I have and at the same time set back. :P
By FoSing, you imply that you have genuine suspicion of someone. By implying you suspect someone genuinely, you imply that you're ready to vote seriously. Therefor, you imply that you've moved past RVS into serious scum hunting, and that the person your voting is seriously suspicious, more so than the person you are FoSing.Toonyman Please elaborate on why you are voting Scripten. Is it a RVS vote? I don't think you would FoS and do a RVS vote in the same post, so why do you suspect Scripten?Why can't I FoS and RVS vote someone in the same post?
Wolf, who are your friends??Quite a few people you don't know, honestly.
4maskWolf: Heyo there :DMy playstyle is crap, to be honest, since I can't play the new-guy card anymore. I'm not sure if the second question is intended for real life or game?
Only one thing on my mind about you Also also hugs
What is your personal opinion regarding your own playstyle in Mafia? Do you think, based on previous events, that self-deprecation in any form is helpful to the self?
4mask: Do you prefer town or scum? What lessons from Jack's BYOR will you apply here?That Toaster hates third parties and fake-claims. Also, scum.
Wolf : Last time i randomly vote in D1 and you said it is scummy, So between randomly vote and abstaining which one do you think is a better play?I said random voting and never changing it was slightly scummy. Random vote, by all means.
@4mask: Which bastard game did you play in? (as your second game)Smstr W/ Love, by Wuba and Nerjin
4maskwolf: If a player report were to appear at the end of the day that looked bad for that player, would you sooner suspect the player in question, or a potential gossip?Depends on the number of reports and how suspicious it looked. If it was blatantly suspicious, I would have a few hard questions to ask about the nature of these reports and want a backup, because the scum should be smarter than to be so blatant with their actions (pun intended).
4maskwolf How well do you waltz?Not well, but I know a few other dances.
4maskwolf: What would you think of a player who has the flaw 'Unable to vote'?That they have a big power hidden behind the flaw.
4mask In your response to Reverie, you say that not being able to vote means you're hiding a big power. Do you think there might be some better way to achieve a big power? Does being unable to vote ALWAYS mean the player that took it has a big power?It doesn't ALWAYS mean they are hiding a big power. It would be more accurate to say hiding a large number of points of abilities, since, unless you're me in the last CYOM, unable to vote isn't usually taken as a solo flaw, because it's a HUGE handicap to the town and a fairly large handicap to the scum.
I like it. I can only see it flopping if people have falsified information from certain powers. *Checks list* Mask swap could be used just before the claim to confuse the plan; this can be countered by letting us know if your mask was swapped.
Puce
Puce is the French word for flea. The color is said to be the color of the bloodstains remaining on linen or bedsheets, even after being laundered, from a flea's droppings or after a flea has been crushed.
Reverie What do you think of Santa? Has anyone targeted you with a gift or Santa style ability?
Toaster What are the odds of a third party in this set-up, in your opinion? What would your immediate reaction be to finding one (4mask says you dislike them)?
4mask: Do you prefer town or scum? What lessons from Jack's BYOR will you apply here?That Toaster hates third parties and fake-claims. Also, scum.
VareeNQT: if someone change mask color will be be notify the next day? or is it a secret?You have to have Self-Peek and target yourself to know for certain if your mask has been swapped.
Fish fish fishSomething tells me that Toaster is going to roleflip "a fish" :P
What do you call a fish with no eyes?Yep, heard that joke before.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
it involves me and I don't get it
Flabort:*checks thread again*I like it. I can only see it flopping if people have falsified information from certain powers. *Checks list* Mask swap could be used just before the claim to confuse the plan; this can be countered by letting us know if your mask was swapped.
For the record, you aren't told if your mask is swapped. You only know your initial mask, not your current. (I assume the doge has no mirrors.)
Yes. Puce is a blood-color, red. It was mentioned in one of my PMs that there are two "red" colors, and that puce was one of them. This is because I didn't think, and tried to target "red" before reading the thread thoroughly and thinking I didn't see the mask list because I was an idiot for not seeing the list, when in reality I was an idiot for not seeing WHY I didn't see the mask list. And for my troubles of jumping the gun, I used up an action that I can't use today, without it affecting ANY target.PuceQuote from: WikipediaPuce is the French word for flea. The color is said to be the color of the bloodstains remaining on linen or bedsheets, even after being laundered, from a flea's droppings or after a flea has been crushed.
Uhuh. First off, I am the player most likely to fish in any situation, I believe we've covered this in previous games. Second off, this is less fishing then my usual style.Reverie What do you think of Santa? Has anyone targeted you with a gift or Santa style ability?
Fish fish fish
You asked via PM? Because I can't see that anywhere in the thread. The only clue yes or no is in the OP where it neglects to mention them in the brackets after "alignment", while town and scum are mentioned. These seems like it should be more publicly known if it's true. NQT, could you confirm this?Toaster What are the odds of a third party in this set-up, in your opinion? What would your immediate reaction be to finding one (4mask says you dislike them)?
Nil, because I asked NQT and he said there weren't any. Therefore, my reaction would be to call immediate bullshit and vote them until they hung.
Totyk: Who would you prefer for a scumpartner?Probably Toaster, since we've been on teams before and I would feel comfortable with his game. He's also hard to read, which is an added bonus.
So a general question, How do you guys pick who you are asking a certain question? is there like a pattern to it or you just asking randome people?This is RVS, 'Random Vote Stage'. This is where we all awkwardly ask each other questions until we get enough discussion going to start catching scumslips.
Do you think any townsperson would choose such a flaw?4maskwolf: What would you think of a player who has the flaw 'Unable to vote'?That they have a big power hidden behind the flaw.
Reverie What do you think of Santa? Has anyone targeted you with a gift or Santa style ability?Santa is useless to town without knowing who's behind the masks. Just like with my warning to vigilantes earlier, it's a gamble.
Everyone What are your feelings on the power modifiers? Which ones are most useful, and which are not worth their cost? What are your feelings on Hidden, specifically?
Flabort, why are you soft-claiming actions and abilities and other information?Hmm? I only claimed that I knew two colors early due to a mistake, and that I used up an action early. I would hardly call that soft-claiming abilities or other information, though I guess it implies my earliest gut impressions.
@Flabort: Intermittent, hmm.Hmm, interesting. I see what you mean. So if a player happens to have a kill and intermittent, does it mean they are more likely to be a town vigilante or a scum killer? Does it make them more or less suspicious?
A Vigilante might take the ability to mitigate the extreme cost of their kill ability.
I could also see scum taking it, as with their increased ability to coordinate it would be much easier to overcome.
I wouldn't take the ability on an information or buff role though, they rely on their actions too much.
So a general question, How do you guys pick who you are asking a certain question? is there like a pattern to it or you just asking randome people?Mostly just random, but focusing on people who've already answered the questions I gave them earlier, rather than overwhelming someone with multiple questions while they're away.
Flabort:Eh, the question didn't really have fangs in the first place. They were already filed down flat, so removing them hardly did anything.Reverie What do you think of Santa? Has anyone targeted you with a gift or Santa style ability?Santa is useless to town without knowing who's behind the masks. Just like with my warning to vigilantes earlier, it's a gamble.
As for your question, no. I haven't been Santa'd. If I was scum and had been Santa'd, I 'd definitely not fall into the trap now that you've revealed the method behind it to whoever found it curious. Really, I would have waited for an answer before defanging the question.Everyone What are your feelings on the power modifiers? Which ones are most useful, and which are not worth their cost? What are your feelings on Hidden, specifically?
I think Free- is the most useful all around, while Hidden- is uselessly paranoid and slightly scummy. Townspeople's actions have no reason to be driven into secrecy.
To be honest, my main purpose was to prove I had a vote and didn't do something as silly as pick non-voter.Seeing as I've done this action before myself, I don't find it to be a problem. I am curious, though. I usually have a motivation behind all of my votes, including my RVS ones. Do you do the same thing, Toony?Toonyman Please elaborate on why you are voting Scripten. Is it a RVS vote? I don't think you would FoS and do a RVS vote in the same post, so why do you suspect Scripten?Why can't I FoS and RVS vote someone in the same post?
And, if you do, what would you like to know of me?
Maybe my suspicion of you didn't warrant a vote? Can a FoS not be to test the partaker?By FoSing, you imply that you have genuine suspicion of someone. By implying you suspect someone genuinely, you imply that you're ready to vote seriously. Therefor, you imply that you've moved past RVS into serious scum hunting, and that the person your voting is seriously suspicious, more so than the person you are FoSing.Toonyman Please elaborate on why you are voting Scripten. Is it a RVS vote? I don't think you would FoS and do a RVS vote in the same post, so why do you suspect Scripten?Why can't I FoS and RVS vote someone in the same post?
So what motivation do you have to vote Scripten over me, if I warrant a FoS?
Toonyman: If you were scum, how would you use your communication to abuse the power system?I don't know! I haven't thought about it.
Toaster: action failure due to illegal self-targeting looks exactly the same as action failure due to blocking, except if you're circumspect.Do you think any town players would choose mask swapping?
I guess it can, but that's a strange way to use something that even has "suspicion" right in it's name.Maybe my suspicion of you didn't warrant a vote? Can a FoS not be to test the partaker?-snip-By FoSing, you imply that you have genuine suspicion of someone. By implying you suspect someone genuinely, you imply that you're ready to vote seriously. Therefor, you imply that you've moved past RVS into serious scum hunting, and that the person your voting is seriously suspicious, more so than the person you are FoSing.
So what motivation do you have to vote Scripten over me, if I warrant a FoS?
How do you feel about wasting your ability this Day?
4mask Same question. Your favorite thing about the set-up, and about lynching.Set-up: being able to choose my own role.
4maskwolf:Yes, I've done it twice now. To demonstrate: TolyK, I'm random voting you. Now how does that make you feel?Do you think any townsperson would choose such a flaw?4maskwolf: What would you think of a player who has the flaw 'Unable to vote'?That they have a big power hidden behind the flaw.
Um. What have you done twice now?4maskwolf:Yes, I've done it twice now. To demonstrate: TolyK, I'm random voting you. Now how does that make you feel?Do you think any townsperson would choose such a flaw?4maskwolf: What would you think of a player who has the flaw 'Unable to vote'?That they have a big power hidden behind the flaw.
Um. What have you done twice now?NQT: votecount, please.
I see there being some use to hidden: a townie with a powerful ability might want to hide it from a scum combo like powercop-powersteal. While this combo would be risky and not altogether likely, there are some reasons for townies to hide their powers: to protect themselves from the scum who might desire to take powerful abilities/kill dangerous townies.Everyone What are your feelings on the power modifiers? Which ones are most useful, and which are not worth their cost? What are your feelings on Hidden, specifically?
I think Free- is the most useful all around, while Hidden- is uselessly paranoid and slightly scummy. Townspeople's actions have no reason to be driven into secrecy.
More questions, because I am bored:
everyone: Do you believe that the masquerade element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Which flaw do you think is the worst for it's cost?
Do you think that santa is a power more likely to be taken by town or scum?
How about bless?
Do you think that the deep south element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Um. What have you done twice now?NQT: votecount, please.
You'll see when the votecount is posted, if you can't figure it out before then.
Everyone: What are your opinions of townies having kills? non-self cleanses? Gifts? gossip? vote-stealer?Townies with kills... I think that townies with kills should be the most cautious players of anyone, and use a free-information power before they use their kill. Roughly the same idea with cleanses, always make sure you're not removing a scum's flaws before cleansing; this is easier than for kills, though, since cleanse costs less, and also less important than for kills.
More questions, because I am bored:Up until the scum's masks get swapped, scum sided. Because of the advantage of knowing more than one starting mask.
everyone: Do you believe that the masquerade element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Which flaw do you think is the worst for it's cost?
Do you think that santa is a power more likely to be taken by town or scum?
How about bless?
Do you think that the deep south element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
The question is, why claim it so early?I have a theory, but I'd like to see his answer before I say it and "defang" your question.
Why did you pick nonvoter? Do you realize how harmful that could be if you don't buy it off?Yep. That's why I'm running self-targeted cleanse. Unfortunately, it removed my magnetic flaw instead of my unable-to-vote flaw, but I should be able to vote tomorrow if nobody maskswaps me (I'm going to target myself again).
You chose 'Unable to vote'. Was the extra two points really worth losing your largest weapon as town, 4maskwolf?Yes, see above. I don't lose it for long, unless I get cursed or mask-swapped.
The question is, why claim it so early?There are a multitude of reasons I claimed unable to vote early. The first is so that I don't get caught up in the web of accusations tomorrow over not voting: since I will have my vote tomorrow, it would be difficult to claim that I did, in fact, have unable to vote on day one, which could lead to a mislynch. It's the same reason I would claim survivor early: to avoid confusion and a possible mislynch. The others will have to wait until later, I don't want to be late to a movie.
everyone: Do you believe that the masquerade element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?I feel masquerade help the scum more than they help us as they it is no different for them to start killing town by not targeting one of their own. I also limit cooperation in the town as even if you know someone have a kill you dont know who it is and it will take atleast two day and a lot of points to get both name and power of a mask. Also it is easier to hide if sucm keep chaing their mask around randomly with people as they pretty much hide forever. We wont even know if we got our mask swapped or not and wasting an action on checking our own mask is a stupid thing to do.
Which flaw do you think is the worst for it's cost?
Do you think that santa is a power more likely to be taken by town or scum?
How about bless?
Do you think that the deep south element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Tiruin:> Hilarity in the form of timezones.Toaster: Hello kuya! ^ ^
Hmm...Also hugs!
Nightless game. Color-tags. Any opinion on the color-scheme mechanic or is it just me that (may have probably :x) has the idea that the addition of color-bound-to-person/mask details have deeper connotations?
Hmm... (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kuya) oh, hello!
I've always wanted to play/host a nightless game here to see how it played out. The mask mechanic IMO favors scum for several reasons. One, they know three masks off the bat. Two, they can kill indiscriminately and not worry, while it's hard for town to target scummy people with negative actions (or positive actions at good.) Three, bussing is going to be chaotic here, since people don't know if they've been bussed.
And by deeper connotations, do you mean you expect anyone with a red mask to be scum, or it somehow tied to their powers? I'd say no, on the grounds that you can most likely thank random.org for your mask color.
What do you expect the nightless mechanic to do here?
Tiruin:I'll hug you if you're stressed :IReverie: So first thing's first.Mafia = stress, like always. I don't bend very well under stress, so I guess it's a bit of fortitude training for me :p
Long time no see! Also hugs
How's your outlook for Mafia going in the current days? :o Anything changed from before?
Also why Reverie? I like Flandre! :P Also I didn't know it was Touhou referenced.
Not that I even know what Touhou is, other than something something awesome battle girls and awesome music and all...
As for my name, I changed it because I got tired of being a Touhou reference, basically.
What is your opinion on nightless play?
Anyone (Or everyone): In a setup with defined roles, rolefishing is a fairly scum-sided action. Does this style of game change that dynamic?I believe its more on how you word it rather than the intent (by that I mean the intent is in the wording instead of just branding such and such as 'ROLEFISHING'. I'm unsure currently if PM-NQT>Mask instead of player though, and believe that's connected to..rolefishing?)
Tiruin: No hugs for me?!Everyone gets a hug by default--like ToonyMan.
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?I'd not like to rely on that idea (I'm Black, yo) because of the connotations within it ._.
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
Tiruin What plagues ail you? More seriously, which flaws do you expect town more likely to pick, and which ones are more scum-attractive.Allergy to molds, fear of being judged, fear of abandonment and betraya-
Everyone What are your feelings on the power modifiers? Which ones are most useful, and which are not worth their cost? What are your feelings on Hidden, specifically?Power..modifiers?
Everyone: I'm up for criticism and suggestions. Will this plan flop? Are there ways it could improve?I planned to claim color before even reading that xD
Tiruin: Do you think the Scan power is useful? Which would be most useful to check: number of Powers, number of Autos, or number of Flaws?Undoubtly!
I'M HERE, EVERYONE!!!!!Why focused on the new-guy card? o-o4maskWolf: Heyo there :DMy playstyle is crap, to be honest, since I can't play the new-guy card anymore. I'm not sure if the second question is intended for real life or game?
Only one thing on my mind about you Also also hugs
What is your personal opinion regarding your own playstyle in Mafia? Do you think, based on previous events, that self-deprecation in any form is helpful to the self?
Everyone: What are your opinions of townies having kills? non-self cleanses? Gifts? gossip? vote-stealer?> ...Nothing wrong with townies having kills o_O Is there something wrong with it? Curious is the me.
snipHOLY the size of that post is huge
Did you just say what color your mask is or did i misinterpreted your post?The former o_o
Did you just say what color your mask is or did i misinterpreted your post?The former o_o
Everyone: What are your opinions of townies having kills? non-self cleanses? Gifts? gossip? vote-stealer?I considered trying a chat + cleanse + bless combo, to make an anti-scum team. But since I had no way to confirm town effectivly I had to nix that idea.
everyone: Do you believe that the masquerade element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?It certainly seems scum-sided. It allows them a stronger ability to fakeclaim, and a moderate defense from information roles.
Which flaw do you think is the worst for it's cost?I haven't had a chance to experience Afflicted, but that certainly seems the worst of the bunch. Lover is my close second, (if I bought it I would try to buy it off D2)
Do you think that the deep south element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
-The masks obviously benefit scum, as they already know the colour of their own masks and can target anyone else indifferently.I might have missed something, but I didn't see it confirmed that scum know each other's masks. It would certainly be an interesting balancing mechanic.
Wait wha, we got a D1 mask claim? Whyyy? I mean I guess since masquerade is apparently scum sided by design, a mass claim would be a good idea, at least until a scum hidden-mask swap screws us all over. On the other hand it also weakens peek as an effective information role vs scum.It's a choice xD
Masquerade Each player is assigned a mask colour at the beginning of the game, and they only know the colour of their own mask and what other mask colours there are in play. Powers can only be targeted at masks, not players. Votes still target players.Inferred is scum only know their OWN mask.
At the beginning of the game, each player is allotted an alignment (either town or scum), and a mask colour (red, purple etc.), and has five points to spend on powers. They can also take up to -5 points in flaws. The mafia don't get a mafiakill by default, but they do have a chat in which they can discuss (among other things) how they'll build their powers. Character Creation will last 24 hours or until everyone has sent in a build, whichever happens first.Orange applies.
So Wolf : When do you think will be the most popular time for an action, just before a lynch or just after?To the first question: right after the lynch for most actions, although information action users may wait until later. Kills, obviously, have the 24 hour delay, so they are likely to go off about mid-day.
If something happen to you that affect you alot like getting changlinged, will you just say it or will you keep it until day 3-4?
Actually, that brings up a good point. I got a ping that Tiruin is scum. Nothing concrete, but a ping. Why would you default to claiming as town on the first day? A different setup doesn't change the factory defaults - it would have to be something you think of before you start posting, right?And I did think of it :v
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If I were changelinged (as opposed to power stolen or power swapped) I would definitely claim that I had been. I see changeling as an extremely useful power for town and too much of a crapshoot for scum, and in a game where we cannot be targeted directly easily it wouldn't hurt to have a claimed changeling/claimed changeling target.
On the other hand, the whole changeling combo move seems like kind of a jerk move on the part of people, because it completely neutralizes someone else for most of the game, particularly if done a certain way (dense-mercenary-unable to vote-changeling or dense-mercenary-afflicted-changeling). Particularly in a setup where it is hard to directly target the scum, it seems kind of mean to just netralize someone completely with your role without knowing if they are town or scum.
- Each player has one extension they may use once in the game. This extends the game by 24 hours.> This is activated by bolding 'extend' right? May it be PM'd? :P
> This is activated by bolding 'extend' right? May it be PM'd? :P
1. Do we know how many Mafia are there? Wasn't stated in the first post lore flavor.If anyone was going to disrupt the Doge's party, they'd chose three assailants as that number is most auspicious.
2. Mafiosos retain their chat after they know their masks, right?They retain their chat so long as they're all alive.
3. Could I know your inspiration on those colors? Historical or...?I found a chart with 12 colours on and then swapped out ones I didn't like to more obscure names from the top of my head.
4. > This is activated by bolding 'extend' right? May it be PM'd? :PThat's right. I guess it could be extended by PM. Whether someone has extended or not will be public knowledge though.
5. Since scum can post in quicktopic, is it possible for a scumbuddy to act for another (ie 'Agent X will do y!') if they're absent at a time being?If a scum member was going to be absent for a long time, I'd allow their team mates to make decisions for them. I'm very nice to scum teams.
Tiruin:Hence the :P> This is activated by bolding 'extend' right? May it be PM'd? :P
Why would you ever want to extend via PM? This sounds very shenanigan-y.
Tiruin.Hoo boy, seeing something to be tagged when there is nothing to be tagged; your note of OMGUS is verified by my suspicion on your word of town :v Where is it an OMGUS, if you didn't even vote beforehand?
Oh, I see omgus. Alright, lets look at it this way.
Do you normally claim your role in d1 in a "normal" mafia game? I'm guessing not.
Thus, it isn't the first thing you would do - in fact, you would normally refrain from revealing anything about your role. Thus, claiming something the first day (even though it's safer than usual) is more likely to be a more or less thought-out (or calculated) decision. Lets look at a similar problem.
You don't normally jump off of buildings with no great, do you? But what if someone guaranteed (and you believe them) that there's something at the bottom that will slow your fall at the end safely. Is out a given that you will jump off anyways? No, obviously, you'd still weigh the pros and cons, but in the end do it because it's fun.
THAT was my point. It's not that you lose much by claiming info in this case, but it's the fact that you did that shows you thought it out, and calculated decisions of this sort tickle my scumsense (in that scum more often know more about the game status than any town player and thus can calculate using the better data).
Why the outburst, though? And I never said you were town, either, nor that you said you did. Phrasing was meant as "of you were town, it made less sense".
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TiruinI have a rather tempting idea to repost what I posted in the happy thread here-1. Do we know how many Mafia are there? Wasn't stated in the first post lore flavor.If anyone was going to disrupt the Doge's party, they'd chose three assailants as that number is most auspicious.
A long time doesn't mean 'in this particular day' right? :x While I do understand that consideration, I could also see the potential for..err, advantages. Still, hypothetical question as it makes more sense that way. Thanks!Quote5. Since scum can post in quicktopic, is it possible for a scumbuddy to act for another (ie 'Agent X will do y!') if they're absent at a time being?If a scum member was going to be absent for a long time, I'd allow their team mates to make decisions for them. I'm very nice to scum teams.
Because the scumteam player with changeling would have no control over what powers they got: they could end up stealing a vigilante's role when another member has a kill, or they could end up with a role that is powerful for town but useless for scum. In my opinion, it is far more likely for a changeling to be town than scum, simply because the scum don't get as much out of it. Frankly, though, I'd be shocked if there was a changeling at all this game, due to the randomness of the masquerade element. It makes town changelings much harder to aim and scum changelings even less useful to scum.If I were changelinged (as opposed to power stolen or power swapped) I would definitely claim that I had been. I see changeling as an extremely useful power for town and too much of a crapshoot for scum, and in a game where we cannot be targeted directly easily it wouldn't hurt to have a claimed changeling/claimed changeling target.
On the other hand, the whole changeling combo move seems like kind of a jerk move on the part of people, because it completely neutralizes someone else for most of the game, particularly if done a certain way (dense-mercenary-unable to vote-changeling or dense-mercenary-afflicted-changeling). Particularly in a setup where it is hard to directly target the scum, it seems kind of mean to just netralize someone completely with your role without knowing if they are town or scum.
Except, if you've been changeling'd, you target a specific player. As soon as that person claims, you know exactly who you hit. In the case of scum players using changeling, a claim would be a confirmation of your mask color, but only to the mafia.. I can't imagine that you thought this through that far without coming to such a conclusion. The only reason I can imagine for pushing a claim like that would be to do exactly what I just described. That is, you plan to attack a player, then use this to convince them to claim.
4maskwolf, can you explain how changeling is a crapshoot for scum, taking the above reasoning into account?
NQT, can extensions be sent via PMs and on conditional terms?That'd be fine.
Because the scumteam player with changeling would have no control over what powers they got: they could end up stealing a vigilante's role when another member has a kill, or they could end up with a role that is powerful for town but useless for scum. In my opinion, it is far more likely for a changeling to be town than scum, simply because the scum don't get as much out of it. Frankly, though, I'd be shocked if there was a changeling at all this game, due to the randomness of the masquerade element. It makes town changelings much harder to aim and scum changelings even less useful to scum.If I were changelinged (as opposed to power stolen or power swapped) I would definitely claim that I had been. I see changeling as an extremely useful power for town and too much of a crapshoot for scum, and in a game where we cannot be targeted directly easily it wouldn't hurt to have a claimed changeling/claimed changeling target.
On the other hand, the whole changeling combo move seems like kind of a jerk move on the part of people, because it completely neutralizes someone else for most of the game, particularly if done a certain way (dense-mercenary-unable to vote-changeling or dense-mercenary-afflicted-changeling). Particularly in a setup where it is hard to directly target the scum, it seems kind of mean to just netralize someone completely with your role without knowing if they are town or scum.
Except, if you've been changeling'd, you target a specific player. As soon as that person claims, you know exactly who you hit. In the case of scum players using changeling, a claim would be a confirmation of your mask color, but only to the mafia.. I can't imagine that you thought this through that far without coming to such a conclusion. The only reason I can imagine for pushing a claim like that would be to do exactly what I just described. That is, you plan to attack a player, then use this to convince them to claim.
4maskwolf, can you explain how changeling is a crapshoot for scum, taking the above reasoning into account?
Tiruin.Hoo boy, seeing something to be tagged when there is nothing to be tagged; your note of OMGUS is verified by my suspicion on your word of town :v Where is it an OMGUS, if you didn't even vote beforehand?
Oh, I see omgus. Alright, lets look at it this way.
Do you normally claim your role in d1 in a "normal" mafia game? I'm guessing not.
Thus, it isn't the first thing you would do - in fact, you would normally refrain from revealing anything about your role. Thus, claiming something the first day (even though it's safer than usual) is more likely to be a more or less thought-out (or calculated) decision. Lets look at a similar problem.
You don't normally jump off of buildings with no great, do you? But what if someone guaranteed (and you believe them) that there's something at the bottom that will slow your fall at the end safely. Is out a given that you will jump off anyways? No, obviously, you'd still weigh the pros and cons, but in the end do it because it's fun.
THAT was my point. It's not that you lose much by claiming info in this case, but it's the fact that you did that shows you thought it out, and calculated decisions of this sort tickle my scumsense (in that scum more often know more about the game status than any town player and thus can calculate using the better data).
Why the outburst, though? And I never said you were town, either, nor that you said you did. Phrasing was meant as "of you were town, it made less sense".
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Except that, as you said, changeling can be used to effectively eliminate a player's ability to use powers. In a way, it's actually more useful than a kill, since you have a chance of "killing" a cop or doctor role, while also giving the mafia that same power role. Hell, no matter who you target, you're guaranteed to get *something*. Nobody in their right mind would set themselves up with flaws and terrible powers on the off chance they get changeling'd by scum.Changeling is useful if you have a good idea of who the scum are, because it can be used to neutralize a scum player. Due to the masquerade aspect, however, it is basically worthless in this approach. Which is why I say I doubt there is a changeling in this game.
How is changeling useful to a town player? At best, I can see it used to transfer a power role from a player about to be lynched to another confirmed townie. But, as with most of the town-sided powers, it relies on knowing your target is town.
Except that, as you said, changeling can be used to effectively eliminate a player's ability to use powers. In a way, it's actually more useful than a kill, since you have a chance of "killing" a cop or doctor role, while also giving the mafia that same power role. Hell, no matter who you target, you're guaranteed to get *something*. Nobody in their right mind would set themselves up with flaws and terrible powers on the off chance they get changeling'd by scum.Changeling is useful if you have a good idea of who the scum are, because it can be used to neutralize a scum player. Due to the masquerade aspect, however, it is basically worthless in this approach. Which is why I say I doubt there is a changeling in this game.
How is changeling useful to a town player? At best, I can see it used to transfer a power role from a player about to be lynched to another confirmed townie. But, as with most of the town-sided powers, it relies on knowing your target is town.
yes, you are guaranteed to get *something*. That something could also be less useful to the scum then a well-bought role could have been. That's the reason I doubt that the scum are running it.
I can see where you're coming from, even if I don't entirely agree with you. Perhaps I was too quick to write it off as a scum power, but I don't think it would be a high-priority choice either. I put in some thought about being both scum and town and, before I left (which happened before the game started) I sent in roles to give me if I was scum and if I was town (they were different roles). I never really considered changeling as scum: perhaps I will consider it the next time one of these is run (and I hope another one is run, I love this setup, even though it is fairly townsided).Except that, as you said, changeling can be used to effectively eliminate a player's ability to use powers. In a way, it's actually more useful than a kill, since you have a chance of "killing" a cop or doctor role, while also giving the mafia that same power role. Hell, no matter who you target, you're guaranteed to get *something*. Nobody in their right mind would set themselves up with flaws and terrible powers on the off chance they get changeling'd by scum.Changeling is useful if you have a good idea of who the scum are, because it can be used to neutralize a scum player. Due to the masquerade aspect, however, it is basically worthless in this approach. Which is why I say I doubt there is a changeling in this game.
How is changeling useful to a town player? At best, I can see it used to transfer a power role from a player about to be lynched to another confirmed townie. But, as with most of the town-sided powers, it relies on knowing your target is town.
yes, you are guaranteed to get *something*. That something could also be less useful to the scum then a well-bought role could have been. That's the reason I doubt that the scum are running it.
I don't. It's an easy way to neuter town, and you're not risking points if you take a bunch of flaws and use changeling on day one. It's basically a free power that, at best, can eliminate a powerful town role and, at worst, eliminates a slightly powerful town role. It's a free night kill-equivalent that doesn't use up the mafia's single allowed night-kill. I'm pretty sure you know that quite well.
Also, you're not -just- getting a set of powers. You're getting a set of powers, effectively "killing" a power role and/or removing a townsperson's ability to vote, and all of that for free, if you take the right flaws.
You took magnetic flaw as well? How many points are we building up here? I do not like the amount of power you're gathering.Why did you pick nonvoter? Do you realize how harmful that could be if you don't buy it off?Yep. That's why I'm running self-targeted cleanse. Unfortunately, it removed my magnetic flaw instead of my unable-to-vote flaw, but I should be able to vote tomorrow if nobody maskswaps me (I'm going to target myself again).
If anyone was going to disrupt the Doge's party, they'd choose three assailants as that number is most auspicious.There are three mafia. They have a group chat and always will until the game is over. They can easily plan anything together.
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They retain their chat so long as they're all alive.
Have a plan to stop that from happening?You chose 'Unable to vote'. Was the extra two points really worth losing your largest weapon as town, 4maskwolf?Yes, see above. I don't lose it for long, unless I get cursed or mask-swapped.
@4maskwolf:Fish fish fish, I'm not going to tell you how many points I had. But it has to be nine or ten, since I took two -2 flaws and the maximum flaw count is -5. And good for you? I like having powerful roles.You took magnetic flaw as well? How many points are we building up here? I do not like the amount of power you're gathering.Why did you pick nonvoter? Do you realize how harmful that could be if you don't buy it off?Yep. That's why I'm running self-targeted cleanse. Unfortunately, it removed my magnetic flaw instead of my unable-to-vote flaw, but I should be able to vote tomorrow if nobody maskswaps me (I'm going to target myself again).
Think about it, if you're town then woo great, but then mafia are going to want to find out who you are and steal your shit through swapping. There's a level of discretion involved here, and by choosing nonvoter you basically forced yourself to reveal this. If you're mafia you don't even necessarily have to self-cleanse yourself, one of your buddies could have done it today.
Sending in my action for tomorrow early and the anonymity of masks, mostly. If I get mask-swapped, oh well, I'll just figure out my new mask. I'm pretty flexible in my plans, to be honest, so I can adapt to things as they come up.Have a plan to stop that from happening?You chose 'Unable to vote'. Was the extra two points really worth losing your largest weapon as town, 4maskwolf?Yes, see above. I don't lose it for long, unless I get cursed or mask-swapped.
I can see where you're coming from, even if I don't entirely agree with you. Perhaps I was too quick to write it off as a scum power, but I don't think it would be a high-priority choice either. I put in some thought about being both scum and town and, before I left (which happened before the game started) I sent in roles to give me if I was scum and if I was town (they were different roles). I never really considered changeling as scum: perhaps I will consider it the next time one of these is run (and I hope another one is run, I love this setup, even though it is fairly townsided).
You, however, seem to have put a lot of thought into how to use changeling as scum, Scripten.
Varee: Why such a specific question? And why directed at me, specifically? Were you maskfishing after messing with someone's role?
Ultramarine, and I think I have it still. Changeling just switches powers, not masks.Oh, right.
I forgot to say this:What. Voting somebody with a coin flip and dice roll? We can't get a read on someone whose actions are purposely randomized.
I need to use my vote, but I'm not certain of anything yet, so I'm going to flip a coin to see if I vote for someone who DOESN'T have a vote on them yet, or someone who DOES. Then I'm going to roll an appropriately-sided die.Spoiler: table of possibilities (click to show/hide)
PPE: Scripten OK, that's an interesting claim. One shot, so you don't have the changeling that was targeted at you. Lover, so we don't lynch you. Dense, so you can't have any powers later. This could be true, in which case, we should not lynch you. Or, it could be a cleverly concocted fake claim, telling us you don't have anything to hide the fact that you have a powerful ability, lover, again so we don't lynch you, and plausible deniability (<-auto correct say that's not a word, but won't tell me how to spell it right) if a blatant report says you did something. Because what would a scum be doing with 5 points of flaws, if all they took was changeling? They'd have 6 unspent points!... which happens to be enough to afford a kill after getting rid of their flaws. Crap. And you claim to have had a resurrection before being changeling'd? Crap.
I'm inclined to believe you for now, but that's a dang powerful scum team they've built already if it's true. I don't like it.
Toaster should be fine if Scripten were lynched, it's only the other way around that would work. Unless Toaster was a Lover towards Scripten.Right. OK. Thank you, I forgot that it isn't necessarily mutual.
Scripten. The scum starts with 5 points. He took 5 points in flaws. That's 10 points. Minus four for changeling. 6. You forgot to factor IN the starting points.
Also, you misread what I said. Lover is not a powerful ability, said you were "telling us you don't have anything good, because you were hiding a powerful ability", and that you were "telling us you had lover so that we wouldn't lynch you", because I thought it would kill Toaster if you died. Those two sentence fragments are only related because I was listing off the reasons you would have picked each flaw for your fake claim; they do not mean that lover is powerful.
Adding my Extend vote to the pile.Everyone has a one-shot 24 hour extend, I'm going to assume as Scripten's went through that you don't want to use yours yet.
Don't we get an extension per person? And lovers are one-way deals, right? nqtCorrect on both counts.
Tolyk, Tirun, Toony, and Toaster:In your opinion what are the chances that he's faking the lover to direct the scum-kill to Toaster?Unlikely.
I cant make a full post right now. But wow at the turn of event give me a few more hour to see if i find time to write.You used the changeling? Did you hope to hit scum? Because if Scripten is town you really screwed him over for like, no reason.
Also i used that changling stop blaming people it my fault.....
I cant make a full post right now. But wow at the turn of event give me a few more hour to see if i find time to write.The heck man? You had me worried! But you have me MORE worried now!
Also i used that changling stop blaming people it my fault.....
And, I just thought of a question I'd like to ask Deathsword, Reverie and Silthuri: When do you think it would be appropriate for all the people to say which masks are whose (i.e. roleset-claim?) in order to figure out inspect results of everyone?I should think it should be done when massclaims are usually done. Like LYLO. But with the mask swapping ability, unless we had peekers to confirm claims, it wouldn't be very useful.
Silthuri There are two "red" masks, Puce and Scarlet. If one of them had to be scum, and you had to guess between those two, which would you guess? If you had to guess between Lemon, Chrome, and Black, which would you guess?Puce because that's a horrible color. Going by just color, I'd say black because black is associated with darkness and thus evil. Although I highly doubt that the mask colors would have been handed out based on alignment.
Everyone What are your feelings on the power modifiers? Which ones are most useful, and which are not worth their cost? What are your feelings on Hidden, specifically?I think that Innate is very good for town with strong powers. Self targeting could be useful, especially with protects and peek. Free would also be very useful. Hidden, however, could go both ways. Scum would most likely want to be hidden, but town with strong powers might want to keep their moves secret to live another day.
Everyone: What are your opinions of townies having kills? non-self cleanses? Gifts? gossip? vote-stealer?Kills: Quite dangerous to the town, even with good intentions due to the masks. If paired with peek, it could be useful.
More questions, because I am bored:It's scum sided because the masks cripple the town power roles because one cannot simply inspect or kill someone if they have to target masks rather than the people themselves.
everyone: Do you believe that the masquerade element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Which flaw do you think is the worst for it's cost?
Do you think that santa is a power more likely to be taken by town or scum?
How about bless?
Do you think that the deep south element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Everyone: So what are the advantages to claiming masks?Well those with inspects can see who their results match up to, vigilantes will know which people they want to kill...
[Quote destruction snipped...]@Orange: Really now?
Alright, point by point.
I didn't leave a vote, but I said that you seemed scummy. Sorry for misusing terminology.
You claimed a part of your role, that is, your mask. So it does.
It was an analogy, yes. And that was a typo, I meant "You don't normally jump off of buildings with no gear, do you?".
The mere fact that you decide to give info the first day was suspicious to me because it seemed overly planned.
Same thing goes with 4mask's claim - it seemed to preemptive. As in, to use later in argument for towny-ness.
And "outburst" wasn't the correct term, I agree.
Actually, that brings up a good point. I got a ping that Tiruin is scum. Nothing concrete, but a ping. Why would you default to claiming as town on the first day? A different setup doesn't change the factory defaults - it would have to be something you think of before you start posting, right?You said its nothing concrete but a ping. Then didn't define it in a way that it was clear on how >__>
Pfp
I forgot to say this:@_@
I need to use my vote, but I'm not certain of anything yet, so I'm going to flip a coin to see if I vote for someone who DOESN'T have a vote on them yet, or someone who DOES. Then I'm going to roll an appropriately-sided die.Spoiler: table of possibilities (click to show/hide)
[...]Right now, I'm basically a liability to the town if I don't reveal everything I know. If Toaster goes, I go. I'm also pretty sure that I'm set to be stabbed, unless Toaster is scum, in which case it doesn't really matter.[...]Orange:
Also, since the scum know it now, I got an ultramarine mask and was targeted by a scum changeling.muh ._.
Voting to extend just for the lack of votes, tho.
Adding my Extend vote to the pile. This will need some serious sorting though. Will do a more complex analysis in ~6 hours.W-wha? THIS IS NOT A VOTE-TO-EXTEND GAME, THE EXTENSION VOTING IS A PERSONAL ONE-SHOT 24 HOUR USAGE.
Tolyk, Tirun, Toony, and Toaster:In your opinion what are the chances that he's faking the lover to direct the scum-kill to Toaster?Opinion Output: @__@
I cant make a full post right now. But wow at the turn of event give me a few more hour to see if i find time to write.Why'd you changeling him o_o
Also i used that changling stop blaming people it my fault.....
Err, why or how did it screw him over? It makes him a mirror matchI cant make a full post right now. But wow at the turn of event give me a few more hour to see if i find time to write.You used the changeling? Did you hope to hit scum? Because if Scripten is town you really screwed him over for like, no reason.
Also i used that changling stop blaming people it my fault.....
What was your plan of action really?
4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)Though in context, that means he gave out his full role and mask to...that which targeted him.
Everyone: So what are the advantages to claiming masks?Knowing that nobody likes to target me. :I
. . .You do know the paragraph where the vote is doesn't make a lot of sense when read through, right? -__-I cant make a full post right now. But wow at the turn of event give me a few more hour to see if i find time to write.The heck man? You had me worried! But you have me MORE worried now!
Also i used that changling stop blaming people it my fault.....
What are you thinking saying this?
If you ARE scum, then saying this means that you've just signed a death warrant, Varee. If you're town, then you've just admitted to screwing over another towny, and what are you doing with six unspent points?
This seems like the most illconcieved claim of all the illconcieved claims just this game! We're not even to day 2, and HOW many people have started claiming stuff?
WHAT THE HELL?Script, check my question before checking this.
Seriously? If you're town, Varee, shame on you. If you're scum... well, good job, I guess? Anyway, I'm going to keep the FoS on you, 4maskwolf, but yeah, this is kind of impossible to ignore.
Unvote 4maskwolf
Vote Varee
*SIGH*
Well, at least there's no way we can say this has been a boring game!
Script: Could I ask your list of plausible reads on anyone ELSE but 4maskwolf? If he so far is your target for scum...it would be strange for him to go along logic of scum/changeling notions that would make him stick out from the rest in that context if scum hit you.
Meaning: You're really sure scum hit you? What makes it so?
Err, why or how did it screw him over? It makes him a mirror match
By logic, Varee is pretty much town (or is owning up to the changeling for townie points, which in my intuitive opinion, does not speak well of him as scum regardless)
Script, check my question before checking this.
What made you think the one who changeling'd you is scum? You seem to be more bordering on emotional reaction here than anything else.
Varee: You said that you intend to fake cluelessness to prove you are town. That seems very fishy to me and rather scum-sided. That, along with your view that rolefishing is not scummy, makes me feel like you're setting up a wall to hide behind later on if/when you are called out for other scummy actions. How do you intend to help the town win with such an attitude?This is the link 'in This', aye?
In that BYOR, [seriously, people, go link which Mafia game it is if such and such would be used as evidence or a factor in a case :I] as in this BYOR (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139254.0)Varee: In the BYOR you faked cluelessness to prove you were town. Do you think this will make any new genuine mistakes you make look scummy?
I cannot answer that question as it is my intention to do that. It is the others who decided to interpret my actions as scummy or not.
The reasoning behind this is that 4maskwolf encouraged claiming, which is blatantly maskfishing, and, at first, tried to say that changeling was a crapshoot for scum, and then accused me of being scum because I was thinking too hard about using changeling as scum. Discouraging scumhunting is not particularly town-sided. If you can't think like your enemy, how can you confront them competently?Wait, where did he encourage..erh?
Sadly not. It makes me unable to use powers for the remainder of the game unless another townie wastes a power on me to *possibly* heal me. Unless Varee wanted to use changeling again (which he would have to purchase with points since he'd used one-shot), there's no real way I would have a viable power role from here on out. Which is fine, if Varee is scum, since I expect him to play for his team's wincon. If he's town, he just massively screwed up and is likely a liability. Also, since he now has my resurrection, we can get a hard flip on him without removing a voting member from the town.Mwuh? Wait, let me try to get this straight. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5516466#msg5516466 (http://This) was your, and now his, role/ability list.
4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)PLUS Changeling. Given this context, you've something stopping you from..um, doinng your stuff (ie Changeling is a One-Shot? [CONFIRM PLEASE])
4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)With 1 left over.
0(+2) : Lover(Toaster)So Varee has 6 points in his stat sheet.
0(+2) : One-Shot
0(+1) : Dense
That or he's being coached so that he doesn't reveal his scumbuddies. Just like we, as town, are playing to our wincon regardless of our own deaths, so too is every mafia member.In CLAIMING that he did it, it appears to be less of a smoke screen and more of an admittance to error in doing so.
Nah, I'm not really all that beaten up over it. If Varee is town, then I'm just really disappointed that he's done so much damage and muddied the scumhunting waters, as it were. If he's scum, then at least we've found one of them. Only a mafia member (or, I suppose, a very misguided townie) would risk using a harmful changeling this early in the game, when you're so much more likely to hit town than scum.Wherein I say: Varee is doing a pretty RISKY maneuver is scum. As in. Really.
So a few thing about myself first, i kinda have a totally opposite time zone compare to US so i might be posting at weird time. Also it mean my action will happen at weird time which might be a give away ......I wonder if you're Asian o_o
You used the changeling? Did you hope to hit scum? Because if Scripten is town you really screwed him over for like, no reason.@flabort
What was your plan of action really?
What are you thinking saying this?@Tiruin
If you ARE scum, then saying this means that you've just signed a death warrant, Varee. If you're town, then you've just admitted to screwing over another towny, and what are you doing with six unspent points?
Why'd you changeling him o_o
I wonder if you're Asian o_oAm asian, Thai GMT+7
Because I am. GMT +8. Half the world away from the Americans (and other related GMT -4~6 peoples)
NQT: Given the Lover feature--does the player who is a target OF the one of picked lover, know that they are...lover'd with that player?As in real life, the object of our affections will be unaware unless they're informed or they figure it out for themselves.
So if someone want the power, they could power steal it from me, I will be willing to give it away. I wont say my mask right now as i dont want someone to snipe the power away.And then you offer resurrection to anyone willing to take it? Is it really worth giving a player of unknown alignment Resurrection to clear your name with an act of goodwill? I'm not sure how far you can go in digging a hole for all of us, but I am not willing to find out.
Am giving it to who ever want it. Well i wont be giving away at this pace anyway but whatever.
people don't flip after resurrecting, right?The end of day resolution order is:
Explain how, unless you get mask-swapped, you get your vote back? Oh, your scumbuddies will cure you, that's what.Have a plan to stop that from happening?You chose 'Unable to vote'. Was the extra two points really worth losing your largest weapon as town, 4maskwolf?Yes, see above. I don't lose it for long, unless I get cursed or mask-swapped.
It's entirely possible that scum are using Varee as a distraction.ESSPLAIN :I
Tiruin would be my third choice (for shaky reasons) after the two aforementioned.Mm~ Nice hop from ping, huh.
Am giving it to who ever want it. Well i wont be giving away at this pace anyway but whatever.You'll..give away the resurrection? Why?
@ 4mask:wtf is this, I already claimed my self-targeted cleanse. Apparently you are certain I am scum because... I chose unable to vote? Please see the first run of this game, where (at least) two townies chose the unable to vote flaw WITHOUT the ability to cleanse themselves (as that ability was more unreliable at the time).Explain how, unless you get mask-swapped, you get your vote back? Oh, your scumbuddies will cure you, that's what.Have a plan to stop that from happening?You chose 'Unable to vote'. Was the extra two points really worth losing your largest weapon as town, 4maskwolf?Yes, see above. I don't lose it for long, unless I get cursed or mask-swapped.
4mask is a good alternative, seeing as he's been asking about this very power. And I doubt he will have resurrect as well. Also, lynching Varee would be basically a no-lynch since he has a resurrect, and.. people don't flip after resurrecting, right?I never asked about this power, Varee asked me a question about it and then Scripten entered into a debate with me about the utility of said power. I personally was uninterested in it.
Oh, what do you think of this situation, 4mask? Is it worth lynching Varee?I need to talk this out to myself, so gimme a sec. On the one hand, Varee is claiming to have completely neutralized another player without knowing if they are town or scum, which is a scummy action. On the other hand, Varee is claiming that, which is unusual. I'm going to have to consider all of the cases of me and Varee's alignments here, so bear with me:
@wolfAs per here:
I have resurrection the last i know. I think scripten can confirm that i took that from him.
I dont think my role will be review if i didnt die when i got lynch, not certain though NQT any clarification?
Votes tallied -> lynch target chosen -> Experience awarded -> Death effects trigger (explosion, super-saint, lover) -> Resurrection happens -> if not resurrected then mask, alignment and all powers/autos/flaws revealed (including hidden powers) -> end of day effects trigger (afflicted, generous etc.) -> Day 2 starts -> Queued actions trigger
I have resurrection the last i know. I think scripten can confirm that i took that from him.*sigh*
Everyone: Is it worth trying to "fix" Scripten with cleanses? I think we should leave the individual decisions to each healer to preserve anonymity, but everyone should be ale to weigh in on this debate. Is it worth it?Hmm...
Everyone: Based on Scripten's claimed and confirmed role, do you think that Scripten is town. Would it be worth it to try and cleanse him?Yes, leaning~//Your choice. He's a Vanilla person who is handicapped with one other. Cleansing him however, I'll point out, will begin...
2 - Cleanse (One of targets flaws is removed, starting with any -2)By freeing him from Loving Toaster~~♥
NQT: If someone picked Lover at N0, and swaps Lover with another person, will that target receive the same Lover instead of switching from the original lover?Transferring Lover status (by using Changeling) will not change the object of the flaw. If Player A has the lover flaw and loves Player B and transfers that flaw onto Player C, then Player C will now love Player B.
In that BYOR, [seriously, people, go link which Mafia game it is if such and such would be used as evidence or a factor in a case :I] as in this BYOR (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139254.0), Varee is town o_oSpoiler: in which /-MY-\ personal disappoint happens (click to show/hide)
In that idea of playing 'clueless', I believe its rather of a contextual point that was being raised.
Did you look into the context there?
Or his answer ._. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5506215#msg5506215)
*reads* You did and went on another tangent .__.
Query: He didn't answer yet on using said power--await the decision before concluding :v I'm speaking to you like so because my personal read on you is leaning town.
QuoteThe reasoning behind this is that 4maskwolf encouraged claiming, which is blatantly maskfishing, and, at first, tried to say that changeling was a crapshoot for scum, and then accused me of being scum because I was thinking too hard about using changeling as scum. Discouraging scumhunting is not particularly town-sided. If you can't think like your enemy, how can you confront them competently?Wait, where did he encourage..erh?
4maskwolf: Varee is correct about the way I built my role. My day game is most useful to me, so I built myself such that I could maximize that. I don't know how useful it would be to cleanse me. Everyone knows my mask now, since I had to reveal earlier. If I get cleansed, then I'm just a really juicy target for scum. Also, I don't have any points nor any facility to get them, so making a build will be laborious. I feel like people's powers should be used elsewhere. I can still vote and scumhunt, after all.I see. Personally, I would have taken double-voter bloodthirsty if I was confident in my day game, but to each their own. Your role would have been horrible for scum, so I'm pretty certain you are townie. There is no reason for a scumteam of you, Varee, and one other to try such an enormously elaborate ruse this early on.
Varee is right about resurrection preventing a lynch kill. It was one of the reasons I took it, but when I'd taken it, I was under the impression that it would cause a role flip without killing me outright. Since that isn't the case, as NQT pointed out, I can't say that lynching Varee is a good plan right now. Since he wouldn't flip, it'd be a no-lynch "night," which is not a good idea for the town. I hate to fling my vote back and forth, but there's no other way to it.
I mean darnit there was something familiar about Silthuri.*hugs*
I didn't read the sig >_> <_<
Everyone: Do you consider a roleflip at this point to be more important than removing the ability for scum to find and take this Resurrect power later?Roleflip. If Varee does indeed have a resurrection, he will know if it's taken and if we ever in the future lynch someone with a resurrect, we'll know there's a good chance we've found a scum.
Holy hell, I've just gotten an idea. Any two of 4mask, Varee and Scripten could be distancing themselves from each other. 4mask said changeling was a crapshoot for scum, and Scripten attacked him for that, but didn't really press it. Similar play from the others regarding each other pairs.
Second off, this is less fishing then my usual style.
And you should know a little about me by now, rolefishing is my town signature :P *cough* I guess I'm not that well known, though.
Another question for you, then, Toaster.
What is your favorite thing about this set-up? And what do you like most about lynching?
And the result is in (http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4586708/). My random vote goes to...
Deathsword
So a general question, How do you guys pick who you are asking a certain question? is there like a pattern to it or you just asking randome people?
@Toaster:Toaster: action failure due to illegal self-targeting looks exactly the same as action failure due to blocking, except if you're circumspect.Do you think any town players would choose mask swapping?
Everyone: What are your opinions of townies having kills? non-self cleanses? Gifts? gossip? vote-stealer?
everyone: Do you believe that the masquerade element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Which flaw do you think is the worst for it's cost?
Do you think that santa is a power more likely to be taken by town or scum?
How about bless?
Do you think that the deep south element of the game is town-sided or scum-sided?
Everyone: Based on Scripten's claimed and confirmed role, do you think that Scripten is town. Would it be worth it to try and cleanse him?
If I'm not mistaken, scum are able to kill on day one, so I'm not sure what my potential stabbing has to do with it. It's also possible that, since most, if not all, of the specific information I know is out there in full view, I may not be as much of a threat to the scum team. After all, I can't exactly use powers against them.
Everyone: So what are the advantages to claiming masks?
Tolyk, Tirun, Toony, and Toaster:In your opinion what are the chances that he's faking the lover to direct the scum-kill to Toaster?
Everyone: Is it worth trying to "fix" Scripten with cleanses? I think we should leave the individual decisions to each healer to preserve anonymity, but everyone should be ale to weigh in on this debate. Is it worth it?
Also scum don't have a kill. Are you in the game, sir?
Everyone: Do you consider a roleflip at this point to be more important than removing the ability for scum to find and take this Resurrect power later?
Scripten the Smurf: Why did you pick Virtuous?
If I'm not mistaken, scum are able to kill on day one, so I'm not sure what my potential stabbing has to do with it. It's also possible that, since most, if not all, of the specific information I know is out there in full view, I may not be as much of a threat to the scum team. After all, I can't exactly use powers against them.
If I'm not mistaken, scum are able to kill on day one, so I'm not sure what my potential stabbing has to do with it. It's also possible that, since most, if not all, of the specific information I know is out there in full view, I may not be as much of a threat to the scum team. After all, I can't exactly use powers against them.
Why would they kill the guy known to be powerless over unknown potential town powers?
Scripten: Hmm... fair enough. Like I said, I believe your claim anyway so I won't dispute you there.
Also, this (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wT_dsoa_R8s/TRDSHLnbaSI/AAAAAAAAAd0/Bg3_HpB0o5Y/s1600/Ultramarine_smurf.bmp).Spoiler (click to show/hide)
4mask:Nope. When the time comes to claim, I will, of course, full claim. But not today. I only claimed today what I felt I needed to in order to avoid misunderstandings and related silliness.
Trying to figure out what is safe to claim?
Also, a 40K or Battletech theme game would be amazing.[/thread derail][thread derail]WANT!!!!!!!!![/thread derail]
Tiruin:Also scum don't have a kill. Are you in the game, sir?
How do you know?
The mafia don't get a mafiakill by default, but they do have a chat in which they can discuss (among other things) how they'll build their powers.Because it would be REAL silly if Jiokuy just unveiled a rather lot by assumption/implication.
PPE:Even just a fighting mech flavored mafia game would be amazing.Also, a 40K or Battletech theme game would be amazing.[/thread derail][thread derail]WANT!!!!!!!!![/thread derail]
Note the Cyan. They can still buy a kill and probably have, so they probably have a kill.Tiruin:Also scum don't have a kill. Are you in the game, sir?
How do you know?
MOAR PFPQuoteThe mafia don't get a mafiakill by default, but they do have a chat in which they can discuss (among other things) how they'll build their powers.Because it would be REAL silly if Jiokuy just unveiled a rather lot by assumption/implication.
Adding my Extend vote to the pile. This will need some serious sorting though. Will do a more complex analysis in ~6 hours.Note in question.
So we have two players claiming masks.
One of who has been hit by a scum changeling. (not confirmed, but seems probable)
He's given us a pretty strong lead on figuring out who might have targeted him, but it could also be part of some meta-plot.
(if he is scum and one of his scumbuddies claims an information role. Nahh it's too early for that, it would be dangerous for them to implicate 2/3 of the scumteam in the D1 Mys-lynch)
With the above as my logic I am inclined to believe him for now.
Everyone: So what are the advantages to claiming masks?
Tolyk, Tirun, Toony, and Toaster:In your opinion what are the chances that he's faking the lover to direct the scum-kill to Toaster?
One more note, in Supernatural when I was sure I was going to die I acted a lot like Scripten is acting now (I think). I don't entirely know where I'm going with this, but I'm inclined to believe he fears for his life. (although as a tree-stump for all intents and purposes I don't know if the scum would waste a kill on him anymore)
NQT, can we shorten? And would that possibly throw queued actions out of whack?You shorten by hammering. Actions are only queued for the beginning of days, so it wouldn't throw anything out of whack.
As in, the one kill that the scum are allowed. They don't start with it, they have to buy a kill, but scum are only allowed to use one kill. So scum probably DO have a kill, but flaws or something else is interfering with their ability to use it.Quote from: JiokuyNote in question.
Tolyk, Tirun, Toony, and Toaster:In your opinion what are the chances that he's faking the lover to direct the scum-kill to Toaster?
As in, the one kill that the scum are allowed. They don't start with it, they have to buy a kill, but scum are only allowed to use one kill. So scum probably DO have a kill, but flaws or something else is interfering with their ability to use it.And you know this how?
Yes, you're right that they don't have a group-kill. But when Jiokuy said Scum-kill, he meant the kill that scum bought.
"Probably bought". Sorry, but can't it be assumed that the scum bought a kill?As in, the one kill that the scum are allowed. They don't start with it, they have to buy a kill, but scum are only allowed to use one kill. So scum probably DO have a kill, but flaws or something else is interfering with their ability to use it.And you know this how?
Yes, you're right that they don't have a group-kill. But when Jiokuy said Scum-kill, he meant the kill that scum bought.
Toony: How is starting with a lot of points scummy?It's more about his set-up. You should know that if you pick nonvoter then everybody will realize Day 1 unless you're lurking scum. Why inflict that heat upon yourself, unless you're amassing points for your team? I don't see the scum changeling-ing 4mask!
Everyone voting/suspecting 4mask: Why? All I see is arguments they're colluding because Varee asked 4mask about changeling, which to be some seriously circumstantial evidence.That's not my argument.
Yeah, 'cause they don't know what my color is, now do they? It's not quite so simple to target people, if you hadn't noticed. And really? You're asking me "why inflict that heat on yourself"? The guy who out of nowhere fakeclaimed survivor in a BYOR as part of an overly-complicated gambit. You're asking ME that question? I'm fine with the spotlight. I can take the heat that nonvoter brings with it. So I picked it, because I'm not afraid of a little pressure, a little notice. That, and it isn't hard to get rid of for me, since I have self-cleanse.Toony: How is starting with a lot of points scummy?It's more about his set-up. You should know that if you pick nonvoter then everybody will realize Day 1 unless you're lurking scum. Why inflict that heat upon yourself, unless you're amassing points for your team? I don't see the scum changeling-ing 4mask!
@wolfself-targeting, it removed my magnetic flaw. I stated this a while back.
Is your clense swlf targeting or are you depending on magnetic?
I might stir up some dust but i hope we can get something out of this
Toony: How is starting with a lot of points scummy?It's more about his set-up. You should know that if you pick nonvoter then everybody will realize Day 1 unless you're lurking scum. Why inflict that heat upon yourself, unless you're amassing points for your team? I don't see the scum changeling-ing 4mask!
Request ReplacementAw, OK. :(
Sorry, but I got a lot of work dumped on me without any warning and I barely have time to rest, much less play mafia.
Tolyk, Tirun, Toony, and Toaster:In your opinion what are the chances that he's faking the lover to direct the scum-kill to Toaster?
I buy his claim, though it'd be clever of him to lie about who his lover his to direct the kill in another direction.
Why does your question here not consider the possibility that I am scum?
Everyone: Is it worth trying to "fix" Scripten with cleanses? I think we should leave the individual decisions to each healer to preserve anonymity, but everyone should be ale to weigh in on this debate. Is it worth it?
Only if there are no better cleanse targets, but it's a reasonable consideration. I have a medium town read on him right now.
During this dance Mauve targeted Burgundy
Wait wolf you got 4-5 flaw point to spend 5 point on self targeting clense?3 points, bud. Self-targeted costs one point on the two-point costing cleanse.
nudge sucess :D Still now I have a feeling wolf is lyingSee my plan of a good scum role what? The one that I mentioned I had sent in for if I was scum? Yeah, but I sent in a different one for town, since that one was a little too random and a little too much of a dick move to use, particularly since I would be flinging it around randomly at whoever I wished to steal all of the powers :D
But the current set up make you completely useless for atleast 1 day and mayber 2 if you are unlucky so I have a feeling it a stupid thing... YOU cant vote and you dont plan to use power on anyone but yourself. It seem like poor planing or outright lieOh, I'm not useless. I'm just not telling you what else I have up my sleeve. As people have pointed out, I have quite a few points to work with.
By useless i mean you are not doing usefulaction and cannot voteI never am much use day one anyway when it comes to voting, except when I am scum (teehee unvote bussing scumbuddies is hilarious). But I learned the hard way last CYOM that having unable to vote on days after the first is a royal pain in the rear end, so I'm going to get rid of it. I have other actions, some of which I may or may not have performed today.
Blugh.Ouch. That sucks.
It turns out that I'm going to have to make do without my laptop until tomorrow or the day after, without a loan to use in the meanwhile. I don't expect I'll be very productive playing mafia on this dying old netbook (seriously, even a smart phone would be better), so my posts will be content-light until then. My apologies.
ToonyMan:Dude. Think about it.That sounds like a crock. You know damn well that the scum couldn't have directly targeted him, unless they had a peek army going on. Who cares if he picked nonvoter or not? I doubt anyone who did it doesn't have a plan for working around it.Toony: How is starting with a lot of points scummy?It's more about his set-up. You should know that if you pick nonvoter then everybody will realize Day 1 unless you're lurking scum. Why inflict that heat upon yourself, unless you're amassing points for your team? I don't see the scum changeling-ing 4mask!
Like me. (yep, I'm a nonvoter too!)
And I just take your word?By useless i mean you are not doing usefulaction and cannot voteI never am much use day one anyway when it comes to voting, except when I am scum (teehee unvote bussing scumbuddies is hilarious). But I learned the hard way last CYOM that having unable to vote on days after the first is a royal pain in the rear end, so I'm going to get rid of it. I have other actions, some of which I may or may not have performed today.
No, you see tomorrow that I have my vote. It's really not that hard to see when my vote is actually counting for something. I've stated many times my distaste for day one, so I really don't feel like I need to have a vote day one.And I just take your word?By useless i mean you are not doing usefulaction and cannot voteI never am much use day one anyway when it comes to voting, except when I am scum (teehee unvote bussing scumbuddies is hilarious). But I learned the hard way last CYOM that having unable to vote on days after the first is a royal pain in the rear end, so I'm going to get rid of it. I have other actions, some of which I may or may not have performed today.
Hey, what if you get lynched day one? People usually lynch town the first day, so that would leave little chance to lynch you, right? Thus you could get away with not having to vote anyone while you undo your flaws, right?erm...
I was wondering what your reaction would be, thank you.
I'd vote both of you to hell if I had double-voter...
ToonyMan:What exactly have you been doing?I'd vote both of you to hell if I had double-voter...Clearly easier to policy lynch than do any actual scum hunting.
Oh yeah, forgot:Ah, so there's your second partner. Case closed.
Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)
ToonyMan:What exactly have you been doing?I'd vote both of you to hell if I had double-voter...Clearly easier to policy lynch than do any actual scum hunting.
Oh yeah, forgot:Ah, so there's your second partner. Case closed.
Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)
Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)I could list a couple, such as we don't know if he ISN'T scum, but I see your point.
sithuri the end of day is in like 10 hours .....It is? Damn...
Well I was going to vote wolf too so i guess i will do nowsithuri the end of day is in like 10 hours .....It is? Damn...
Alright. Just by glancing around, 4mask seems the most scummy to me because of his selfish use of powers. I'd vote him, but I think that'd bring us to a tie.
Why Wolf compared to anyone else?Well I was going to vote wolf too so i guess i will do nowsithuri the end of day is in like 10 hours .....It is? Damn...
Alright. Just by glancing around, 4mask seems the most scummy to me because of his selfish use of powers. I'd vote him, but I think that'd bring us to a tie.
Wolf
To me it looks like his attack-then-see-if-they-crack. But I also want an answer from him, as he tried to pull this off last game with me and failed.Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)I could list a couple, such as we don't know if he ISN'T scum, but I see your point.
Unvote.
I don't see exactly why you think Toony is scum, but if that's who you suspect, I won't stop you from voting or trying to vote him.
TolyK I'm very confused by your actions right now. Do you mind explaining your strategy? Maybe posting a list of reads?I've more or less said my of possible scum. I can't really do reads very well, but if you want them you can have them. Just ask again. But here's a semi-list.
Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)I could list a couple, such as we don't know if he ISN'T scum, but I see your point.
sithuri the end of day is in like 10 hours .....
Toaster : If both wolf and Deathsword are not a worthy lynch target who do you purpose?
ToonyMan:
...and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)
Well I was going to vote wolf too so i guess i will do now
Wolf
Alright. Just by glancing around, 4mask seems the most scummy to me because of his selfish use of powers. I'd vote him, but I think that'd bring us to a tie.
Also, it's immersing that there was no scum kill. Blocked, protected, redirected to self or unkillable?
If he's got a team, he can technically still accomplish things with them whilst being useless to us. He's got them to accomplish stuff while he worries about himself. I just don't like it. It's the only big thing that stands out to me because I haven't been around and it's two in the morning and the day will end while I'm asleep and I'm trying to be slightly helpful. I didn't expect Varee to throw his vote out there. I was just saying my suspicions lie with 4mask.
Toaster:Are these requests for a fullclaim? Because if it will help you realize what I'm doing, I can fullclaim for you.
I must have miss your conversation with toonyman but i am voting wolf because I FEEL he is lying and I was going to vote him the day before but i dont want to risk causing a draw so I was waiting to see if anyone else is voting. I dont think Deathsword should be lynch yet and for toony .... I dont know actually.
TolyK:That too, but then I'd guess the neutralization changeling was a scum move.Also, it's immersing that there was no scum kill. Blocked, protected, redirected to self or unkillable?
Let's not forget "grand master plan that doesn't allow for a kill to be bought D1" as a possibility.
4mask: Seems like you've noted Varee's confirmation of Scripten, however you didn't note what he did in his read--did his claim on Script's act, as well as his act in itself, have any bearing to how you read him?The fact that he had changeling and used it had no bearing on my read, since it didn't influence me one way or the other. He was slight town for not applying the unable-to-vote flaw, but his reluctance, combined with his attempt to change the lynch target as the day wound down, put him back into scum territory.
No, your cop-out you stated right after I answered is what made me suspicious, not your explanation. Your explanation is actually suspicious because it came so much later, after you already acknowledged what I had said. Please read the words that I write in the future, I took the word cop-out from Scripten's post calling you on it right afterwards.TolyK:That too, but then I'd guess the neutralization changeling was a scum move.Also, it's immersing that there was no scum kill. Blocked, protected, redirected to self or unkillable?
Let's not forget "grand master plan that doesn't allow for a kill to be bought D1" as a possibility.
Also, I was surprised to find two votes on me - one is Tiruin's from #141 or so, the other is Flabort's who was confused by my hunting technique.
I would really really hate to be quicklynched for, uh, what exactly?
Pfp
Ppe. 4mask, if I hadn't explained what I did that for, you wouldn't have suspected me? That's bs.
Ppe2. Tiruin, what fullclaim?
I'm asking why you care so much.So you think it's a great idea to lynch someone who had to go up for replacement before doing anything at all?Oh yeah, forgot:Ah, so there's your second partner. Case closed.
Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)
Are these requests for a fullclaim? Because if it will help you realize what I'm doing, I can fullclaim for you.Sure.
Hahaha4mask: Seems like you've noted Varee's confirmation of Scripten, however you didn't note what he did in his read--did his claim on Script's act, as well as his act in itself, have any bearing to how you read him?The fact that he had changeling and used it had no bearing on my read, since it didn't influence me one way or the other. He was slight town for not applying the unable-to-vote flaw, but his reluctance, combined with his attempt to change the lynch target as the day wound down, put him back into scum territory.
PowersOne point seems good enough to cover it. Put in Magnetic and its a +1 bonus!
(no power can be self-targeting)
[...]
2 - Cleanse (One of targets flaws is removed, starting with any -2)
x/2 - Self-targeting- (pick a power: that power can, but does not have to, be self targeted. This upgrade costs half the cost of the power, rounded up.)
hahaha what? He didn't give Scripten the unable to vote flaw with changeling, indicating that he did not wish to cripple him entirely, merely remove his powers. That's what I meant.Hahaha4mask: Seems like you've noted Varee's confirmation of Scripten, however you didn't note what he did in his read--did his claim on Script's act, as well as his act in itself, have any bearing to how you read him?The fact that he had changeling and used it had no bearing on my read, since it didn't influence me one way or the other. He was slight town for not applying the unable-to-vote flaw, but his reluctance, combined with his attempt to change the lynch target as the day wound down, put him back into scum territory.
Just because you don't like the unable to vote flaw doesn't mean that a townie wouldn't take it. You are making a MASSIVE leap from one to the other. See: the previous CYOM, where both the town vigilante (me) and the town role-neutralizer (Mastahcheese) both took the flaw as a way to get more points. And the town WON that game, if I may note. So no, I don't see unable-to-vote as a major hindrance to the town, unlike you seem to, particularly when I can get rid of it with ease.I'm asking why you care so much.So you think it's a great idea to lynch someone who had to go up for replacement before doing anything at all?Oh yeah, forgot:Ah, so there's your second partner. Case closed.
Anyone voting Deathsword: There's now zero reason to vote him (unless you're scum.) Please stop doing so and instead vote actual scum (like ToonyMan)
Now look at this situation. 4maskwolf is at 3 votes, TolyK is at 2, and Deathsword is at 1. That's 6 votes being used out of at most, probably 10.
4maskwolf and Toaster don't want 4maskwolf lynched, they don't think 4maskwolf is scum! But oh no! They can't vote anybody else they think is actually scum to lynch instead. Oh shit, maybe those two didn't think out their role customization or they're scum. I'm not policy-lynching. Toaster didn't even have to reveal his lack of vote, but he decided he wanted to 'cause? In any case, town wouldn't choose nonvoter, this is scum-hunting. I am pointing out a contradiction in 4maskwolf's actions.
Maybe Toaster is a poorly-thought out town and feels sympathy with his vote-less acquaintance? It's a good thing Wolf didn't get "non-extender" or he'd already be dead!
P.S. It's hilarious seeing 4maskwolf trying to throw suspicion on TolyK to save his own skin.
I wasn't asking you, bud. I was asking Silthuri and Varee. You're so convinced I'm scum that you'd just say I was fakeclaiming no matter what role I claimed, then look like a fool when it's my actual role.Are these requests for a fullclaim? Because if it will help you realize what I'm doing, I can fullclaim for you.Sure.
P.S. It's hilarious seeing 4maskwolf trying to throw suspicion on TolyK to save his own skin.I also listed you, Varee, and Toaster as scum candidates too, might I note. You are just conveniently ignoring that fact so that you can act like a jerk. Which you are. Not because you are voting me, but because you are mocking me incessantly. Kindly desist from the later.
I'm asking why you care so much.
town wouldn't choose nonvoter
Why is not picking nonvoter "slightly town"?hahaha what? He didn't give Scripten the unable to vote flaw with changeling, indicating that he did not wish to cripple him entirely, merely remove his powers. That's what I meant.Hahaha4mask: Seems like you've noted Varee's confirmation of Scripten, however you didn't note what he did in his read--did his claim on Script's act, as well as his act in itself, have any bearing to how you read him?The fact that he had changeling and used it had no bearing on my read, since it didn't influence me one way or the other. He was slight town for not applying the unable-to-vote flaw, but his reluctance, combined with his attempt to change the lynch target as the day wound down, put him back into scum territory.
TolyK is second up for lynch, after you. Why target him specifically and not Varee or Toaster? You're trying to save your skin.P.S. It's hilarious seeing 4maskwolf trying to throw suspicion on TolyK to save his own skin.I also listed you, Varee, and Toaster as scum candidates too, might I note. You are just conveniently ignoring that fact so that you can act like a jerk. Which you are. Not because you are voting me, but because you are mocking me incessantly. Kindly desist from the later.
What I see you doing is pushing your OPINION of how townies play onto everyone else, trying to force a lynch. Which is frankly laughable, seeing as how the guy who you are trying to lynch broke your little townie ideals in the last CYOM, playing a nonvoter vigilante, and still managed to be helpful (in some ways instrumental) to the town victory in that game, without ever casting a vote or using the nightkill. See also: roleblocking the converter at a critical point in the game, discerning the first converter by finding holes in claims, etc. In other words, your argument falls completely flat when faced with historical evidence.So you're saying you never self-cleansed yourself? Why this game, hmmm?
Specifically not picking nonvoter for a changeling combo is slightly town, and only in that instance, because a better scum move would have been to lock down the player entirely by applying unable-to-vote as well as dense and one-shot.Why is not picking nonvoter "slightly town"?hahaha what? He didn't give Scripten the unable to vote flaw with changeling, indicating that he did not wish to cripple him entirely, merely remove his powers. That's what I meant.Hahaha4mask: Seems like you've noted Varee's confirmation of Scripten, however you didn't note what he did in his read--did his claim on Script's act, as well as his act in itself, have any bearing to how you read him?The fact that he had changeling and used it had no bearing on my read, since it didn't influence me one way or the other. He was slight town for not applying the unable-to-vote flaw, but his reluctance, combined with his attempt to change the lynch target as the day wound down, put him back into scum territory.
Because he was the one who responded most immediately and who I had the strongest case against, before you opened your mouth again.TolyK is second up for lynch, after you. Why target him specifically and not Varee or Toaster? You're trying to save your skin.P.S. It's hilarious seeing 4maskwolf trying to throw suspicion on TolyK to save his own skin.I also listed you, Varee, and Toaster as scum candidates too, might I note. You are just conveniently ignoring that fact so that you can act like a jerk. Which you are. Not because you are voting me, but because you are mocking me incessantly. Kindly desist from the later.
A couple of reasons why not last game. One: there was no self-targeted ability that game, I would have had to have magnetic to even attempt it, and there was no way in hell I was going to run a magnetic vigilante. Two: I had already spent nine points on abilities, and cleanse cost three at the time.What I see you doing is pushing your OPINION of how townies play onto everyone else, trying to force a lynch. Which is frankly laughable, seeing as how the guy who you are trying to lynch broke your little townie ideals in the last CYOM, playing a nonvoter vigilante, and still managed to be helpful (in some ways instrumental) to the town victory in that game, without ever casting a vote or using the nightkill. See also: roleblocking the converter at a critical point in the game, discerning the first converter by finding holes in claims, etc. In other words, your argument falls completely flat when faced with historical evidence.So you're saying you never self-cleansed yourself? Why this game, hmmm?
You mean the other two people who want you lynched? I actually agree that Varee's vote on you is pretty bullshit, and I'm never going to forget him changeling-ing Scripten. But I'm more inclined in your lynch right now, unless you can convince me otherwise.I wasn't asking you, bud. I was asking Silthuri and Varee. You're so convinced I'm scum that you'd just say I was fakeclaiming no matter what role I claimed, then look like a fool when it's my actual role.Are these requests for a fullclaim? Because if it will help you realize what I'm doing, I can fullclaim for you.Sure.
A couple of reasons why not last game. One: there was no self-targeted ability that game, I would have had to have magnetic to even attempt it, and there was no way in hell I was going to run a magnetic vigilante. Two: I had already spent nine points on abilities, and cleanse cost three at the time.I see. I didn't know that!
This game? Because that game taught me the hard way that unable to vote was a hugely detrimental long term flaw. So I took abilities that would allow me to clear it off quickly. In fact, I have two ways of getting rid of it, but the other won't come into play until later.Hmmm.
When did scum first kill in the previous CYOM?never. The only two kills used were a pair of nightkills by a different town vigilante, who started as a changeling bomb. The scum had convert in that game, so...
From what I can gather so far you took two -2 flaws, Magnetic and Unable to Vote. You might have taken more -1 flaws since those get cleansed last.I'm still uncertain as to why you think taking so many flaws is a big deal. In the last game, a lot of players took a fairly good-sized quantity of flaws, and I would be surprised if this game was any different. I take it you took very few points, if any, of flaws?
You then got cleanse with self-targeting, which is worth 2 + 1= 3 points. That leaves you with at least 6 points to spend on stuff.
I'm still uncertain as to why you think taking so many flaws is a big deal. In the last game, a lot of players took a fairly good-sized quantity of flaws, and I would be surprised if this game was any different. I take it you took very few points, if any, of flaws?Most of the -2 flaws are extremely nasty. I took a couple -1 flaws that won't really affect me anyway.
Also, choosing nonvoter is not anti-town in itself, but being selfish might be. Especially when you have a 21% chance of being nk'd the two days you are cleansing, not to mention bring lynched.Here's the thing: did I ever say I wasn't performing other actions?
I'm now finding it surprising that nobody has been killed yet. Scum could easily shoot a kill on Day 1 as far as I can tell.I find it surprising that you'd bring that up again.
Specifically not picking nonvoter for a changeling combo is slightly town, and only in that instance, because a better scum move would have been to lock down the player entirely by applying unable-to-vote as well as dense and one-shot.True.
Oh no double team from people who can't do anything.Have you seen my opinion on rudeness for no reason? I think this first sentence is rudeness for no reason, scum.What I see you doing is pushing your OPINION of how townies play onto everyone else, trying to force a lynch. Which is frankly laughable, seeing as how the guy who you are trying to lynch broke your little townie ideals in the last CYOM, playing a nonvoter vigilante, and still managed to be helpful (in some ways instrumental) to the town victory in that game, without ever casting a vote or using the nightkill. See also: roleblocking the converter at a critical point in the game, discerning the first converter by finding holes in claims, etc. In other words, your argument falls completely flat when faced with historical evidence.So you're saying you never self-cleansed yourself? Why this game, hmmm?
Toony:Toony, I'm noticing you didn't even respond to this post. You acknowledged it, but never responded to it.I'm asking why you care so much.
Because if we lynch Deathsword, we learn nothing. We might as well throw a dart at a dartboard to decide lynches for all the good lynching him would do. Go ahead; show me a single piece of evidence to support his lynch.
I said that before?I'm now finding it surprising that nobody has been killed yet. Scum could easily shoot a kill on Day 1 as far as I can tell.I find it surprising that you'd bring that up again.
Because he's right. I have no reason to vote Deathsword. I was only pointing out why'd he care.Toony:Toony, I'm noticing you didn't even respond to this post. You acknowledged it, but never responded to it.I'm asking why you care so much.Because if we lynch Deathsword, we learn nothing. We might as well throw a dart at a dartboard to decide lynches for all the good lynching him would do. Go ahead; show me a single piece of evidence to support his lynch.
Not you, but it's been said before and talked out. Did you miss that conversation?I said that before?I'm now finding it surprising that nobody has been killed yet. Scum could easily shoot a kill on Day 1 as far as I can tell.I find it surprising that you'd bring that up again.
Alright. I can accept that.Because he's right. I have no reason to vote Deathsword. I was only pointing out why'd he care.Toony:Toony, I'm noticing you didn't even respond to this post. You acknowledged it, but never responded to it.I'm asking why you care so much.Because if we lynch Deathsword, we learn nothing. We might as well throw a dart at a dartboard to decide lynches for all the good lynching him would do. Go ahead; show me a single piece of evidence to support his lynch.
(I still don't really understand how free works)If you buy "Free-", you attach it to a power and it costs the same amount as the base cost of the power; it then allows you to use that power once in a day without counting towards your one-action-a-day cap. So a town player with Free-Kill and Inflate could kill twice in a day or kill once and inflate once.
Varee: Slight scum, now, due to reluctance to vote me without the guarantee of someone else voting me as well.I don't agree regarding Varee Wolf. This seems an awful lot like you attacking those who attacked you. He stated pretty clearly that he only wanted a second vote to avoid a no-lynch.
NQT Wait so free also acts as a poor-man prolific. I did not realize that you could use the same action twice. Huh, that's pretty good.Or a rich man's prolific in the case of expensive powers like Kill. I'll update the description in the OP to make it clearer in future.
Everyone: Is mortician stronger on a town or scum player?As far as I can tell, graverob by itself operates the same for both: it serves as a backup in case of lost powers. I'm playing it slightly differently: I'm using graverob as a source of free points to get myself more powers of my choosing, which is still equally strong on both sides.
Fragile...transparent...well. It speaks more of his personal tastes than group-efficiency.
(...which is partly why I asked you that first question 4mask :I I got some vibes on you, personally I:)
Also the second question is intended for both, really. I'm concerned about ya :<I feel like some of this is mafia related, some of it isn't. Could you explain any mafia related things in the thread and pm me the explanations of the non-game things? I almost sent this question via pms, but I posted it here because the first quote is somewhat game-related, so I didn't want to break any rules.
Can I get a mod extend to allow a new player to read through the thread?ERMAHGURD WILL THIS DAY NEVER END.
PPE:Dance on, man, dance on. Change partners if you must, but the dance must continue.Can I get a mod extend to allow a new player to read through the thread?ERMAHGURD WILL THIS DAY NEVER END.
Can I get a mod extend to allow a new player to read through the thread?I second this.
I guess I'll put in a third.Can I get a mod extend to allow a new player to read through the thread?I second this.
I already used mine for the purposes of allowing the mod to find a replacement and so the replacement would have time to read, so yeah, I fourth this.I guess I'll put in a third.Can I get a mod extend to allow a new player to read through the thread?I second this.
I'd like to hear Silthuri, Varee, Reverie, Scripten and anyone who hasn't posted in the last 16 hours or so weigh in on the current situation.
5th'dI already used mine for the purposes of allowing the mod to find a replacement and so the replacement would have time to read, so yeah, I fourth this.I guess I'll put in a third.Can I get a mod extend to allow a new player to read through the thread?I second this.
Varee: You said that you intend to fake cluelessness to prove you are town. That seems very fishy to me and rather scum-sided. That, along with your view that rolefishing is not scummy, makes me feel like you're setting up a wall to hide behind later on if/when you are called out for other scummy actions. How do you intend to help the town win with such an attitude?In your favor) You immediately claimed as the changeling-er, you also didn't take No-Voter. But you DID take lover. IMO Lover is an abysmal power to force on another player, it allows the scum to break their 1 kill limit.
-1 - Blatant (every time you target a player, it will be announced at the end of the phase that you targeted them, but not what with) This one is interesting, It might be a good way to proof that i did what i say I did but I was wary if the target somehow die, i would have to take the blame so i ignore it.Take the blame huh?
-2 - Afflicted (at the end of each day phase, you gain 1 additional unique flaw) This make the swap even harder to get rid off. It might be over kill so but it is my second choice after loverSecond choice huh? Why didn't you pick it then compared to the list of:
-2 - Intermittent (your powers only work on even phases) This look interesting, Only if it were for odd phases I would have taken it. But mising out on first turn and commiting two turn to this plan doesnt really feel right.Feel right why? You said something on hitting scum in 1/4 chance--herein I introduce you to the fallacy of statistics. They are numbers translated from observation and ideas in a contextual setting.
#7 on the mod extend.What does the orange tell you, or what meaning about the person does it have for you? And what, in the context of an efficient scumteam, does it tell you?
Upon thinking about it all day, Unvote. Varee because his willingness to jump on the wolf vote because I explained I wouldn't vote him because it'd tie the votes. And also, in your reads (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5522013#msg5522013), the only person you claim to think of as scum is flabort for "trying to get rid of you." You then claim that you have a null read on 4mask but claim you think he's lying. Instead of going after who you find most scummy, you jump on the wagon to get someone else lynched. When I claimed I wanted to vote 4mask, you jumped in and said you've been wanting to vote him. It just doesn't fit.
[...]Note in purple. The speculation is a good deal--however speculation like this can be made into a more refined or clarified context by giving the hard numbers given that there is evidence prior to this kind of case.
Third) Outside of some voteless ressuring on Wolf, Varee has yet to really particiate in any hunts. His reads are mostly null and inoffensive. I get the feeling he is playing it safe. Several of his coments make me feel he is a little bit too lynch happy. (This is less concrete just more of a lean)
Plus) Varee bandwagoned Wolf in #296 with very little explintion. While he later give some reasoning in #305, I still feel that Varee lacks good proof, and was only going for an easy kill.
(!)I believe that Varee used his extra points from the flaws to buy a kill (possibly a hidden-kill) after he performed his one-shot changeling, but since his changeling was not free-, he's given up scums D1 kill for a large sum of extra points.
I also believe he only claimed after he knew he had revive. I am betting he anticipated the extra durability would help to solidify his claim.
Sadly, he is in a pretty good position with that revive. To any Town Vigilante's: Now is the time to end the threat!
4 - Changeling (target player gains all your powers/flaws/autos and you get the powers/flaws/autos of your target)So 6 points remaining :O
6 - Kill (kills target player)
x/2 - Self-targeting- (pick a power: that power can, but does not have to, be self targeted. This upgrade costs half the cost of the power, rounded up.)= 9 points -_-
x/2 - Hidden- (pick a power: that power and any upgrades attached to it won't appear in ability inspects, fortune teller reports or counts.)
x/2 - Innate- (An innate power cannot be stolen, swapped, recycled or Changeling'd
x - Free-: When choosing Free-, pick one of your non-auto powers. Free- costs as much as that power and allows you to use that power once in its phase for free (this means you can use the same power twice in a phase as well). This use doesn't stack with Prolific (if you use prolific to use the same free-power twice, you'd use it three times, not four)
Take the blame huh?
But actions, as stated, are day-ish, and happen whenever NQT gets on. That wariness seems more of a precaution here, but I'm curious--isn't you claiming it proof enough?
Second choice huh? Why didn't you pick it then compared to the list of:I have a feeling that the current list is enough to disable the scum, afflicted will just screw up the 3/4 chance that it will go wrong even more so i didnt take it.
Dense, Lover and One-Shot
That you picked?
Feel right why? You said something on hitting scum in 1/4 chance--herein I introduce you to the fallacy of statistics. They are numbers translated from observation and ideas in a contextual setting.
o_OQuoteTake the blame huh?
But actions, as stated, are day-ish, and happen whenever NQT gets on. That wariness seems more of a precaution here, but I'm curious--isn't you claiming it proof enough?
I mean If for example slithuri died after i use changling and in the end of day It say I target slithuri mask, that is very likely for people to start pointing fingers.
-1 - Blatant (every time you target a player, it will be announced at the end of the phase that you targeted them, but not what with)><
It have nothing to do with stat. It more liek I feel it is more useful to get it done on the first turnAlright.
If i have taken interminent, I will have gone with mecenary instead of dense and also It gave mroe chance for people to have point to buy out of the lock. If it hit someone and they dont claim at all It might be hard to find out before they can climb out of the trap so I feel I have to be full commited.
Tiruin: Your posts are a bit hard to follow. The colour-coding in your last post in particular doesn't have purple text in it. Besides Jiokuy, what are your current reads?I...
umm what is blue name?Check the BM for info please. T_T
I wish the votecount could have names appended along with the total number.
But yeah -_-
Timecount pleaseThe vote count being nameless is a deliberate move to make non-voter, vote stealer and double-voter less transparent. What I might start doing is putting all the names on regardless of whether their vote counts, and adding a number showing the true vote weighting.
Why not just put a marker next to the person's name showing that they26 hours, the day was mod extended.did vote? :P
Ah, got it.
...
So Toaster and 4mask (from memory) went silly and told they had non-voter :V
*computes time*
Darn. 2 hours left.
I'll give it one hour.
Why not just put a marker next to the person's name showing that theyMeant something something likedid vote? :P
"This situation, trapped in an eternal dance, the threat of death and destitution hanging over you," begins one masked figure to their partner, "does it not strike you that we have danced like this before?"With the (!) representing the person has voted and stuff.
Their partner replies before twirling off to new hands, "life is an endless dance: only the band-leaders change. Tonight we are the pleasure of the Doge, but tomorrow it could be the Confessor or the Temple of Accord, or even the Comte de Fromage."
Guest List - Formal Requests For Unmasking
Reverie
Tiruin!
Toaster!
Persus13
Varee! - [2]
Wolf! - [2]
Toony! - [1]
Silthuri!
Scripten
TolyK
Jiokuy! [1]
Flabort!
Hammer is 7 votes. Day ends when the hammer falls, or Friday 4PM BST (GMT+1).
First thing reguarding Wolf , I was not really band wagoning but I was going to vote him but it would result in a tie so I waited. Then when i log on midday, I saw the slituri was going for him too so I just vote then as It wont cuase a tie if she also voted.
Now for the not hunting part, that pretty much my play style as I dont have much interation to other player due to timezone so normally I dont play much hunt. The incident stir up quite a lot and I am depending on that incident to get information. Sadly I dont have any information power as of now so I dont think I will be much help.
Now for the not hunting part, that pretty much my play style as I dont have much interation to other player due to timezone so normally I dont play much hunt. The incident stir up quite a lot and I am depending on that incident to get information. Sadly I dont have any information power as of now so I dont think I will be much help.
I've heard this before, and it's still not true.
Yes, you're in a different timezone and many people aren't posting at the same time you are, but you still have the same number of hours that everyone else has. There's no reason at all you can't read and analyze the posts of others.
Toony - 4maskwolf, Toaster, Flabort [1]I think you typo'd here, NQT.
Nope. Both Toaster and I have technically voted him, but neither of us have a voteToony - 4maskwolf, Toaster, Flabort [1]I think you typo'd here, NQT.
*Tiruin waves her arms around.
GMT +8 here. Also, Forum Mafia--your posts stay at times where anyone can read and get back to em.
Except now its Rainy Season (TM) here ever since...June-ish. So yeah, spotty net all around for the past months. T_T*Tiruin waves her arms around.
GMT +8 here. Also, Forum Mafia--your posts stay at times where anyone can read and get back to em.
I almost cited you as someone in a non-US time zone who hunts just fine.
NQT: Can a graverobber queue a player pending resurrection? To be specific, can the power be stolen before it fires?That'd be neat and clever, but no, actions can only be queued to fire at the beginning of a day, and resurrecting happens between days.
Bearded Devil (Easy Summon) CR 5 (Lesser)
Barbed Devil (Moderate Summon)
Earth Elemental (Very Easy Summon)
Angels (Ok summons)
Uhhh, Ignore the first 4 lines there. I was using that notepad doc for Pathfinder stuff, and apparently forgot to clear it all the way.Haha
Toonyman: Are you especially irritable this game? You seem pretty abrasive and even taunting in some of your posts.I don't know, that's how I usually attack people. It's also fun goading people without votes since they can't lynch you.
Everyone: Reads please.Sure.
Did you take in the fact that Varee [CLAIMED TO BE THE ONE WHO TARGETED SCRIPTEN, WHICH IS A PRIMARY PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN ALL THIS COMPLICATED MESS?]Varee has proven skillful at underplaying his knowledge in previous games. At this moment it is my only defining meta-read on him. His actions have likely (assuming this isn't one big farce) harmed town significantly. It matches my perception of his playstyle for him to plan this out this way, as a personal test of skill or to solidify a later claim?
What did Varee claiming to hit Scripten mean to you?
Everyone: Reads please.Sure, I'll do two lists.
NQT: Kills have a 24 hour buffer, if a day is hammered in under 24 hours are they prevented?Hmm, on Day 1 hammers weren't enabled for the first 24 hours, but afterwards I should think it'd be OK. You need a lot of cohesion to hammer. On the one hand, it hurts scum because they could be denied a kill, but it also empowers double-voting/vote stealing scum aiming for quick hammers. I'm going to say, if people are co-ordinated enough to get away with a hammer in the first 24 hours of a day, then they probably earned the results.
Jioku: my argument would be that it didnt destroy a power role but it just transfer the rolw to me.Well, the selfish part of me (which Tiruin likes pointing out the existence of) would of course be peeved. But the team-focused part of me says that even if I don't get powers, it doesn't matter as long as town lynches scum.
Well i guess if i get lynch qolf will be pretty sad as i dont have any active power right now....
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Reverie: Town; she proposed a decent strategy earlier, is very active....you have doted on my good activity where I can most certainly say that I have not been as active as I should be.
So, uh. We're going to lynch Varee and have a flipless day? That's great.Can you really say that as you sit on your vote? If you don't want a Varee lynch, participate. Argue against it.
Wolf - Seems slightly scummy to me, hasn't dispelled that sense. Has claimed a lot of abilities and seemed certain that scum won't target him for the several days he's building up.Not what I said. What I said was that I'm using the anonymity of masks to keep me from getting screwed over by the scum. Also: if you were scum, would you try and find out who I was to kill me, or would you attempt to kill off information roles who have a better chance of unmasking you (hah, yes, I get it. I'm the MASKED wolf. Very funny.)
Yes, but you seem certain that you won't get hit either way, but that's not quite...But that chance is the same whether I claim or not is the point I'm trying to make. Any role that has to ramp up power in order to work properly runs the same risk, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.
Look. 3 scum out of 12 players. Chances of not getting hit are multiplied each night since math works.
Disregarding lynches and revives, we get this (chance of surviving 2 days): 8/9*7/8=7/9=77%
Which means a 23% chance of dying, disregarding any other factors.
23% is pretty high for that.
TolyK, Persus13, and Scripten: You are the last three players with a vote who haven't used them. Who do you think is a member of the scumteam? Vote that person. I know it's kind of hypocritical of me to say this, but remember that the vote is one of the town's most powerful weapons. Use it wisely, but do not squander it.
Speaking of which, Toaster, what drove you to defend me from ToonyMan?
@Toaster: I'd he's super-saint and revives... Uh. I'd say that seems unlikely, but that would be VERY scummy on his part and he should be vigilante meat. On the plus side, we will get a flip...
Speaking of which, Toaster, what drove you to defend me from ToonyMan?
TolyK, Persus13, and Scripten: You are the last three players with a vote who haven't used them. Who do you think is a member of the scumteam? Vote that person. I know it's kind of hypocritical of me to say this, but remember that the vote is one of the town's most powerful weapons. Use it wisely, but do not squander it.Almost definitely at least one of Varee, you (4mask), flabort.
Gone with me - as far as you know, I don't have a self-cleanse to use.
Gone with me - as far as you know, I don't have a self-cleanse to use.
The fu...TolyK, Persus13, and Scripten: You are the last three players with a vote who haven't used them. Who do you think is a member of the scumteam? Vote that person. I know it's kind of hypocritical of me to say this, but remember that the vote is one of the town's most powerful weapons. Use it wisely, but do not squander it.Almost definitely at least one of Varee, you (4mask), flabort.
Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it.
4mask:Tiruin isn't off the hook either, but Tiruin has defended quite a few people, attacked a few unexpected targets, and I have my doubts about the Varee lynch myself, which all in all culminates to an inability to get a read on her. I can explain more about what I mean if you want.Speaking of which, Toaster, what drove you to defend me from ToonyMan?
I'm not. I'm attacking crappy arguments, which I will do any time I damn well please. Since he attacked me for the exact same reason, why would you think that? Further, why is it okay when Tiruin defends Varee (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5531790#msg5531790), even going so far as to extend to prevent his lynch?
Oh, and nearly all of my posts will be like this (from phone).You didn't answer the question. The question was what it meant.
Ppe:
Oh, and would I really be just dumb enough to change my stance in the period of 10 minutes?
Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it....so if it's not zero votes it must be two, right? Why so secretive?
That was a typo. I quality meant to type in "fine"instead of "gone" - I'm using the swipe-to-write t9-like thing for windowsphone. Those are close in keyboard placement.
No, it's anywhere from 0 to 2.Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it....so if it's not zero votes it must be two, right? Why so secretive?
Silthuri: To me, it seems like you've put some effort into making your reads non-confrontational. Everyone besides Varee is either town or agreeably neutral in your list, and specifically for your read of me...Reverie: Town; she proposed a decent strategy earlier, is very active....you have doted on my good activity where I can most certainly say that I have not been as active as I should be.
Do you think it's worth lynching Varee given his Resurrection? Do you have any suspicions on anyone else?
Extend: All those voting Varee; explain.I do think he's scum although, like I said, I'm kinda teetering on the edge because I don't like him having the revive yet I want a flip on the D1 lynch. Since the day spans the weekend, I'll try to compile every single thought I've got on everyone's actions. On that note, unvote.
Contrast and compare to the rest of us.
Does Varee's methods speak of malevolent intent or scum backing up?
No, it's anywhere from 0 to 2.Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it....so if it's not zero votes it must be two, right? Why so secretive?
I don't feel that my not giving information will hamper anyone.
Mm, alright, let's get into the gritty details then.Extend: All those voting Varee; explain.I do think he's scum although, like I said, I'm kinda teetering on the edge because I don't like him having the revive yet I want a flip on the D1 lynch. Since the day spans the weekend, I'll try to compile every single thought I've got on everyone's actions. On that note, unvote.
Contrast and compare to the rest of us.
Does Varee's methods speak of malevolent intent or scum backing up?
I kinda think they were of malevolent intent. He did hit the person to attacked him first, which is some very bad luck if he did actually choose randomly.
Well if you're claiming to be saving your vote when you don't even have one... that's pretty bad IMO.It feels like a general rule to me than an opinion :P
I don't feel that my not giving information will hamper anyone.
Also, me hammering someone would be insanely suspicious, wouldn't it?
You're making it seem that I'm lying, when in fact I'm just not telling any information. Unless I say directly how many votes I have, I can't be said to have claimed N votes. What is the problem with that?For the first question: not if done well. I'm mainly worried about you surprising us with votestealer-doublevoter at the end of the game and hammering someone at the last minute for a scum victory. And your evasiveness doesn't help one bit. You seem so convinced that anyone who claims anything will be hunted down and eliminated by the scum, and you are WRONG. You use all this math to show that any given person has a decent chance to die: which applies to everyone who isn't scum. Cool, you can math, we get it, TolyK. Use your vote.
Tiruin, I have no spellchecker, and I'm not making up bad grammar to cover anything up. -.-
Ppe. How can I hammer if there are 7 required to hammer and the most votes a player has on them is 3?
Yes, I am being especially evasive, since I see no solid reason to give out free information if I'm not planning to use my vote today anyways (at least for the time being). Even two votes couldn't change the situation if everyone agreed on who to lynch.
TolyK: You're basically saying "I'm following the letter of avoiding looking like mafia, so I mustn't be suspicious." Why don't you explain why you aren't telling us rather than expecting us to tell you why you should be?Aha. That is something that I never said - can you show the exact sentence or passage which interprets the way?
If nothing else, how about you tell us because not telling us makes us think you're scummy?
You want me to use my vote as well? Any more takers?What I want most is for you to stop being as evasive as you are, because that's anti-town play. A townie in a game like this has precious little reason to hide vote number. Demonstrating whether or not your vote means anything is secondary to that.
Tell me why I should claim my role. Give me a good reason to.[joke]TolyK: Do you expect me to claim?
Mm, alright, let's get into the gritty details then.Extend: All those voting Varee; explain.I do think he's scum although, like I said, I'm kinda teetering on the edge because I don't like him having the revive yet I want a flip on the D1 lynch. Since the day spans the weekend, I'll try to compile every single thought I've got on everyone's actions. On that note, unvote.
Contrast and compare to the rest of us.
Does Varee's methods speak of malevolent intent or scum backing up?
I kinda think they were of malevolent intent. He did hit the person to attacked him first, which is some very bad luck if he did actually choose randomly.
What makes Varee a considerable target--sans any thought of his powers at the moment--due to his posts in this thread? My read on him is wavering on townie-type (aha rhymes!) due to how he claimed and when [it was more of the follow-up that prodded me]; his votes and pokes at 4mask however, speak more of a literal newbie card (analysis of the ongoings of his post as well as how they're worded and the perceived intent and continuous feeling of it all? Yeah.) than malevolent design.
Well if you're claiming to be saving your vote when you don't even have one... that's pretty bad IMO.It feels like a general rule to me than an opinion :P
...It's an opinion there? :o
[joke]TolyK: Do you expect me to claim?EBWOP, went back and made it's color gold :D
4maskwolf: No, Mr. TolyK, I expect you to die![/joke]
Aha. That is something that I never said - can you show the exact sentence or passage which interprets the way?
You're making it seem that I'm lying, when in fact I'm just not telling any information. Unless I say directly how many votes I have, I can't be said to have claimed N votes. What is the problem with that?
Your logic is interesting - you claim that I must explain why I'm not telling you, but I claim the other way. The presumption of innocence it is called, no?
Also, either way you would have a method of calling anything I do suspicious. If I didn't claim, which is what I'm doing, you pepper me about not telling. It I tell, that means that I'm not being consistent, that I'm trying to seem less suspicious, etc.
Either way, it gives you even more fuel to implicate me. Which is exactly what you seem to be trying to do, Scripten. You seem to be giving more thought than me into what would make me look more scummy.
You want me to claim how many votes I have? Maybe something else?
Ah, so you're saying that I'm suspicious for worrying about being suspicious, while telling me what is making me suspicious and using my "worry about being suspicious" to press me to do something I've already said I didn't intend to do. You say that that isn't being townie, are trying to implicate with grammar (when, I think, those instances of mine are rare in comparison with certain others).I just want to know whether or not you have a vote, which is as simple as voting the...
The answer to his apparent question was something that I mentioned right before his post that he may have missed. Otherwise, I did not understand his question at all.
As to why I have no votes (as you say), that could be answered after I claim how many votes I have.
Ninjas!
That's actually a good reference. *applause*
Claiming how many votes I have is party of claiming my role.
Oh, and that makes three concerned citizens. I'll see about that.
Jiokuy, Toonyman: Elaborate on the usefulness of a Varee lynch this first dance. Do you have any secondary targets?The day was going to end soon so I was pretty much okay with at least chipping an HP off scum. Persus13 would be good for not uh, doing anything even after the MOD extend, but Tiruin saved the day with their extension. Would like to hear from Persus13.
Geez I feel like Job. Whoever gets the reference is awesome.Did you just make a biblical reference?
OK, I'm just going to out and say it.
I think TolyK is the owner of the Scarlet mask. And is Scum.
Now tell me, have I done anything wrong within this point of view? I've been stubborn in not yelling, that's what. And don't you give me any bs that I could quick-hammer anybody without being questioned or stopped beforehand.TolyK, Persus13, and Scripten: You are the last three players with a vote who haven't used them. Who do you think is a member of the scumteam? Vote that person. I know it's kind of hypocritical of me to say this, but remember that the vote is one of the town's most powerful weapons. Use it wisely, but do not squander it.Almost definitely at least one of Varee, you (4mask), flabort.
Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it.
OK, I'm just going to out and say it.Flabort, what do you mean by this?
I think TolyK is the owner of the Scarlet mask. And is Scum.
Holy shit it's 2 am here. And it's my birthday already. And I'm playing mafia on the internet.IT'S YOUR BIRTHDAY!!!!!
I need to get a life...
OK, I'm just going to out and say it.Flabort, what do you mean by this?
I think TolyK is the owner of the Scarlet mask. And is Scum.
Almost definitely at least one of Varee, you (4mask), flabort.Now tell me, have I done anything wrong within this point of view? I've been stubborn in not yelling, that's what. And don't you give me any bs that I could quick-hammer anybody without being questioned or stopped beforehand.
Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it.
Well. I am Chrome.You did not have to say this. Just say you aren't Scarlet.
Yeah, I think one of the nonvoters is guaranteed scum. I'd say Toaster or TolyK.*Prods toonyman in the side*
Everyone in general : In the three primary tone (RGB), by gut feeling which one do you feel is the most scummy?
For me I would say red as typical video game use red as the color for enemy.
For all i can remeber that question is before mask release?Mask release? Do you mean when masks were sent out? Nope, definitely not, the game had started by then.
No, someone who's unable to vote HAD a kill. HAD. I have it now.When did you send in your changeling action and when was it processed? It's entirely possible it went off before I got back, in which case one of your arguments is a moot point.
Oh, also, interesting note, the person I hit had 10 points of abilities, including a cleanse (not self), but only had 3 points of flaws. They also had Flexible.
It just occurred to me that 4mask was claiming Flexible and Cleanse, and Magnetic; though he was claiming Self-Cleanse, he claimed that it erased his Magnetic. Also, he only ever claimed Non-voter AFTER I used my Changeling, though I can't prove that.
Also, ah, yes, that fragment of the Book of Job. I didn't think it was a party, though, thought he was lying in a pile of garbage? Or are you referencing an earlier passage. Man, it's been a while since I read that story.
Also, Persus, you may need to hurry up that reading and vote, because right now we don't know if you're a non-voter or not. And one of the non-voters is scum.
PPE: @4mask about Varee's RGB question: Yeah, that came to mind for me too when I happened to snag a kill.
I sent in my action on July 24, 10 AM.Nope. They couldn't have cleansed themselves: intermittent.
It was processed on July 24, 11 AM, according to my PMs. It also had the slightly funny but momentarily alarming typo of NQT forgetting to copy-paste my Free-Innate-Changeling back into my ability list, which was apologized for and fixed.
The scum before being changeling'd was
Kill (-6), Cleanse (-2), Flexible (-2), Hardcore (+1), Intermittent (+2).
Cleanse was probably meant to interact with Magnetic so that it cleans Intermittent off, but it cleaned Magnetic off instead, I'm guessing.
We have four people who have or might have nonvoter as far as I know right now: TolyK, 4mask, Toaster, and Persus.
I still think it's TolyK. It could feasibly be Persus though, and possible either 4mask or Toaster is lying about something.
I recommend you don't kill me, as I think I can prove something important at the beginning of tomorrow.
Say, NQT, it just occurred to me. What happens if you inflate a flaw? Does it become more expensive to buy-off? Less expensive?As it states in the OP, you can only inflate powers and autos.
There is, actually...I recommend you don't kill me, as I think I can prove something important at the beginning of tomorrow.
Prove what, how? There's no reason to play so damn secretively.
(http://i.imgur.com/A63jkKn.jpg)There is, actually...I recommend you don't kill me, as I think I can prove something important at the beginning of tomorrow.
Prove what, how? There's no reason to play so damn secretively.
I may have given out my mask, and thus might be screwed over by mafia. I don't want to have any specifics out yet, but if I can't prove it you'll have good ground for lynching me tomorrow.
Poor Emutant.Of course he didn't claim. He knew that a changeling had stolen damning evidence, so he kept his mouth shut.
TolyK, your query: Check my post at #99. I asked Jiokuy about Intermittent. His response is post 108.
Also, I might point out that I've been trying to breadcrumb my role for a while now. I asked Tiruin what "Plagues ail [her]" in post 74, *cough*ed in post 81. I also asked about how many people took unable to vote early on, ironically to Toaster, before anyone actually having it ever became an issue, and shortly after I submitted my action, but before it got processed. I see that I questioned TolyK about Changeling thoroughly earlier, and since I didn't get a victim claim from him then, I guess that lessens my suspicion of him now.
Well then, Mr. Wolf, how do I know that a certain someone with blatant targeted themselves within the last few hours? It will be visible on day end. Did you have blatant attached, and did you really action Scarlet?*frowns*
Problem is, nobody will claim that they're chrome to counterclaim. That would mean my scum buddy would have to have done it if not me.Go to sleep, bud. That post made no sense in or out of context.
It'd be great if somebody could confirm what I'm saying at least partially, them I'll know who my scum buddy is.)
Yes. I am Chrome, better than Safari.
And I hate you all due to making me claim this much.
It's four in the morning. 0.0
| Me Before | Me now |
| Free Innate Changeling (10) | Free Innate Changeling (10) |
| Inflate (1) | Kill (6) |
| Afflicted (-2) | Cleanse (2) |
| Hardcore (-1) | Flexible (2) |
| Unable to vote (-2) | Hardcore (-1) |
| Intermittent (-2) | |
| ------------ | ----------- |
| Scarlet before | Scarlet now |
| Kill (6) | Inflate (1) |
| Cleanse (2) | Afflicted (-2) |
| Flexible (2) | Hardcore (-1) |
| Hardcore (-1) | Unable to Vote (-2) |
| Intermittent (-2) |
Also, there's more to this message than you think there is. Search closely, and you will find it. Or be NQT, who'll find it immediately.Uh, Abbr tags underline the contained words. And you didn't include a second Abbr tag.
They don't on many browsers (like mine) and I did include begin and end tags.Also, there's more to this message than you think there is. Search closely, and you will find it. Or be NQT, who'll find it immediately.Uh, Abbr tags underline the contained words. And you didn't include a second Abbr tag.
If you didn't mean the "cheap but effective" bit, I don't see anything else.
Me Before Me now Free Innate Changeling (10) Free Innate Changeling (10) Inflate (1) Kill (6) Afflicted (-2) Cleanse (2) Hardcore (-1) Flexible (2) Unable to vote (-2) Hardcore (-1) Intermittent (-2) ------------ ----------- Scarlet before Scarlet now Kill (6) Inflate (1) Cleanse (2) Afflicted (-2) Flexible (2) Hardcore (-1) Hardcore (-1) Unable to Vote (-2) Intermittent (-2)
Scarlet before
Kill (6)
Cleanse (2)
Flexible (2)
Hardcore (-1)
Intermittent (-2)
(6)
(2)
(2)
(-1)
(-2)
What would be bad if I claimed tomorrow?
@Toaster:
Do you have the Scarlet mask?
Quote(6)
(2)
(2)
(-1)
(-2)
That's two points over. Flabort, why are you lying?
Oh, also, interesting note, the person I hit had 10 points of abilities, including a cleanse (not self), but only had 3 points of flaws.
-snip-Nope. They couldn't have cleansed themselves: intermittent.
Cleanse was probably meant to interact with Magnetic so that it cleans Intermittent off, but it cleaned Magnetic off instead, I'm guessing.
-snip-
I think what happened is they either got santa'd or gift'd or something that cleanse, it makes no sense. However, the kill with flexible does: if you find yourself in a dangerous situation, and are likely to get inspected, you can sell your kill and get something benign.
Back to TolyK until he votes.
Flabort - TolyKHe already did, he targeted me and he's Unable to Vote.
It is here!Geez I feel like Job. Whoever gets the reference is awesome.Did you just make a biblical reference?
*applauds*
That's not a commonly known story.
More ninjas!O__o
Quickie - I could not quickhammer anyone tomorrow, or possibly the day after that either. What would be bad if I claimed tomorrow?
OK, I'm just going to out and say it.:O
I think TolyK is the owner of the Scarlet mask. And is Scum.
I shouldn't be surprised, this isn't the internet, this is bay12...This whole post dude. You're throwing out statement by statement without any answer to the intangible question of 'why should this happen'.
Not going to comment on the reference yet, but this is what I've got. I've reread, and...
I actually forgot that Scripten is nearly-confirmed town. That kinda forced me to rethink this a bit.
Which is why I think that flabort is the scummiest, with Reverie and 4mask successively less. It might be a good idea to rolecop Scripten just in case, but that's up to whoever.
Lynching Varee is a mediocre idea, but possible to do.
Also, this is my original post on the matter.Now tell me, have I done anything wrong within this point of view? I've been stubborn in not yelling, that's what. And don't you give me any bs that I could quick-hammer anybody without being questioned or stopped beforehand.TolyK, Persus13, and Scripten: You are the last three players with a vote who haven't used them. Who do you think is a member of the scumteam? Vote that person. I know it's kind of hypocritical of me to say this, but remember that the vote is one of the town's most powerful weapons. Use it wisely, but do not squander it.Almost definitely at least one of Varee, you (4mask), flabort.
Nah. I'm not sure I want everyone to know how many votes I have so far, and I don't see it changing any outcome that I'm not against. So, I'm using it wisely and not squandering it.
Ninja'd! Wait, what?
Holy shit it's 2 am here. And it's my birthday already. And I'm playing mafia on the internet.HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU~
I need to get a life...
Oh wow. Um.Nyuh?
First of all, thanks. :p
You obviously hit scum, 4% chance of vigilante I would say by gut.
You still need to be tested. Anyone have a spare AIDSTEST diskette with them?
Now, uh. The part I was referencing was actually the party where Job argues with the other men for a long time and stubbornly keeps to his righteous ways.
Well. I am Chrome.
And I am confused as hell.
Did anyone switch masks? Especially Chrome?
Thanks for using that vote TolyK!Que?
No so thanks for it's on me, but whatevs.
Also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!OK, I'm just going to out and say it.Flabort, what do you mean by this?
I think TolyK is the owner of the Scarlet mask. And is Scum.
OK, it's been bugging me for some time that nobody else besides scripten has claimed to be victim to a Changeling attack. Because I happen to be a Free Innate Changeling. This makes me a Plague Doctor; with a prefix that seems to change based on what else I have. I took Non-Voter and a couple other flaws, but I don't have those now. I wasted my first action on a non-existant mask, but my free-action was on Scarlet.
I managed to Changeling someone with a Kill. I believe this is the reason for no Scum Kill today, is that I took Scum's Kill away (with flavor about a hanky-wrapped stiletto). I also gave that Scum non-voter, so "I took everything they have". Hence his Job reference. I did NOT give them dense or mercenary, so whoever I hit (TolyK) will eventually recover.
When I said "I would have wasted an action anyways", I meant that one of the flaws on the person I hit was Intermittent. So even if I hadn't wasted the action, hitting the intermittent person means that I couldn't have used a second action because I have that now.
I have plans to changeling Ultramarine later when I have something that won't cripple Scripten more than he already is; take his flaws from him so that he doesn't have to suffer them. Which is why I argued against cleansing Scripten.
x/2 - Innate- (An innate power cannot be stolen, swapped, recycled or Changeling'dis confusing in that context o_o
Well quikie postO__o
I pick ultramarine using my test taking skill of the longest answer is the best chpice so yeah.....
Claiming changeling is something tjat is very situational
If i get a towny power and aomr one claim, i decided that i will claim to get them off as well i feel bad for them...
If it is a weird set of power nd they claim, i would try get a full claim bwfore saying so.
If they stay quiet i would probaly not claim depending on the power, if o find hidden kill or something i woild probably clim etc
Pfp
-snip Job's Story-...You should remember harder ._.
He was nearly dead, and arguing with a group of men, as far as I remember.
-snip-
I sent in my action on July 24, 10 AM.Que?
It was processed on July 24, 11 AM, according to my PMs. It also had the slightly funny but momentarily alarming typo of NQT forgetting to copy-paste my Free-Innate-Changeling back into my ability list, which was apologized for and fixed.
The scum before being changeling'd was
Kill (-6), Cleanse (-2), Flexible (-2), Hardcore (+1), Intermittent (+2).
Cleanse was probably meant to interact with Magnetic so that it cleans Intermittent off, but it cleaned Magnetic off instead, I'm guessing.
We have four people who have or might have nonvoter as far as I know right now: TolyK, 4mask, Toaster, and Persus.
I still think it's TolyK. It could feasibly be Persus though, and possible either 4mask or Toaster is lying about something.
I recommend you don't kill me, as I think I can prove something important at the beginning of tomorrow.....You're seriously using a 'I can prove something tomorrow' voucher?
We have until Monday, heh.
Query: Who asked about intermittent and it being good for whom? I remember that being a question that was asked in rvs.
Actually how? You claimed your mask, and presuming you weren't changeling'd, still have the same power combo you have (which I do not recall you claimed; ever)There is, actually...I recommend you don't kill me, as I think I can prove something important at the beginning of tomorrow.
Prove what, how? There's no reason to play so damn secretively.
I may have given out my mask, and thus might be screwed over by mafia. I don't want to have any specifics out yet, but if I can't prove it you'll have good ground for lynching me tomorrow.
Well then, Mr. Wolf, how do I know that a certain someone with blatant targeted themselves within the last few hours? It will be visible on day end. Did you have blatant attached, and did you really action Scarlet?...
I've already posted what I used to have and what I have now, and Blatant was nowhere in them....Why do you need a Free- upgrade to Changeling if you Innate'd it?
Me Before Me now Free Innate Changeling (10) Free Innate Changeling (10) Inflate (1) Kill (6) Afflicted (-2) Cleanse (2) Hardcore (-1) Flexible (2) Unable to vote (-2) Hardcore (-1) Intermittent (-2) ------------ ----------- Scarlet before Scarlet now Kill (6) Inflate (1) Cleanse (2) Afflicted (-2) Flexible (2) Hardcore (-1) Hardcore (-1) Unable to Vote (-2) Intermittent (-2)
I don't see how Blatant has anything to do with the current case?
PPE: Yeah, go to sleep. You're making less sense than usual.
holy shit this day 1With the expletives cut out.
Oh ffs, stupid deleted posts. Ugh.So leaving the rest of my questions for later...
I did not in any way mean to offend any of these players. I just meant that I've been spending too much time in mafia lately. And thanks.
Current full given claim.
I am Chrome. Have "blatant", targeted myself today. This will be seen at day end (though I initially thought it would be instantaneous, whatever). Thus, I could not have been changeling'd this day and know what is going on. I have no vote.
In my eyes, Tiruin, I am completely right, while in your eyes I am wrong. This is what I was referencing.
I haven't even read the whole bible once, I'm currently in the midst of it.
Also of note, it will be proven today, but not before the lynch./
Que?It means that yeah, I keep changeling after using it. I'm not sure if the target gets a copy (I don't think they do), but I keep my copy.
Wait...Free Innate Changeling makes one copy that is free/innate, right?
So you can forever-ever-eeever~ changeling others?
BecauseQuotex/2 - Innate- (An innate power cannot be stolen, swapped, recycled or Changeling'dis confusing in that context o_o
Also why're you targeting Ultramarine? Why target Scripten (unless I'm confusing this with his mask, rushing this post because arghh slept too long in lucid dream because tired to death yesterday :X)
Flabort againI'm pretty sure a vigilante would have claimed being hit by my changeling attack.I sent in my action on July 24, 10 AM.Que?
It was processed on July 24, 11 AM, according to my PMs. It also had the slightly funny but momentarily alarming typo of NQT forgetting to copy-paste my Free-Innate-Changeling back into my ability list, which was apologized for and fixed.
The scum before being changeling'd was
Kill (-6), Cleanse (-2), Flexible (-2), Hardcore (+1), Intermittent (+2).
Cleanse was probably meant to interact with Magnetic so that it cleans Intermittent off, but it cleaned Magnetic off instead, I'm guessing.
We have four people who have or might have nonvoter as far as I know right now: TolyK, 4mask, Toaster, and Persus.
I still think it's TolyK. It could feasibly be Persus though, and possible either 4mask or Toaster is lying about something.
Before being changeling'd...I see no Nonvoter.
Why are you poking at nonvoters when you see the above?
Also you lost me a bit when you said the one you changeling'd is scum. It could very well be a vigilante also...
I mean, aye, the lack of someone speaking on that hypothetical behalf is concerning but...still. On a small note, it could be a vigilante ._.
FLABORT ARGH writing posts post-by-post is x_xIf I don't waste an action on a mask that doesn't exist and don't have intermittent at any point, yes.I've already posted what I used to have and what I have now, and Blatant was nowhere in them....Why do you need a Free- upgrade to Changeling if you Innate'd it?
Me Before Me now Free Innate Changeling (10) Free Innate Changeling (10) Inflate (1) Kill (6) Afflicted (-2) Cleanse (2) Hardcore (-1) Flexible (2) Unable to vote (-2) Hardcore (-1) Intermittent (-2) ------------ ----------- Scarlet before Scarlet now Kill (6) Inflate (1) Cleanse (2) Afflicted (-2) Flexible (2) Hardcore (-1) Hardcore (-1) Unable to Vote (-2) Intermittent (-2)
I don't see how Blatant has anything to do with the current case?
PPE: Yeah, go to sleep. You're making less sense than usual.
...
Does the free make you be able to use Changeling TWICE IN A DAY and never lose your changeling capability?
I am confus x_x
@TolyKIt won't say exactly. If this is something people would like to know as well, I can claim.
Targeted yourself with what exactly?
I would wait until after two kills are confirmed to cleanse him.@TolyKIt won't say exactly. If this is something people would like to know as well, I can claim.
Targeted yourself with what exactly?
I like 4mask's plan - currently I don't see any problem with it, except cleansing might not be the best best idea for flabort if he turns out scum...
I'd like to know exactly what.@TolyKIt won't say exactly. If this is something people would like to know as well, I can claim.
Targeted yourself with what exactly?
I like 4mask's plan - currently I don't see any problem with it, except cleansing might not be the best best idea for flabort if he turns out scum...
As such, I propose that we lynch Varee, since at the end of the day we can see if TolyK is lying. If he is, then we hit him with some neutralization abilities. This would also free me up to cleanse Flabort of intermittent, since I would have nothing to graverob.
Since both of Flabort's powers are innate, the only way to eliminate him would be to kill him. While he is still alive, however, he can basically serve as two additional lynches for the town, assuming we give him the protection he needs.You mean if he gives out his mask, in that manner. :v
I sent in my action on July 24, 10 AM.Bloodfish. That's a very reasonable amount of time past this post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5505515#msg5505515)
It was processed on July 24, 11 AM, according to my PMs. It also had the slightly funny but momentarily alarming typo of NQT forgetting to copy-paste my Free-Innate-Changeling back into my ability list, which was apologized for and fixed.
The scum before being changeling'd was
Kill (-6), Cleanse (-2), Flexible (-2), Hardcore (+1), Intermittent (+2).
Cleanse was probably meant to interact with Magnetic so that it cleans Intermittent off, but it cleaned Magnetic off instead, I'm guessing.
We have four people who have or might have nonvoter as far as I know right now: TolyK, 4mask, Toaster, and Persus.
I still think it's TolyK. It could feasibly be Persus though, and possible either 4mask or Toaster is lying about something.
I guess I'm OK with 4mask's plan. He can hold off on cleansing for a bit until I get off my second kill, which would confirm that I can't be scum, although the protection part of the plan will fail as I have Hardcore, too. Well, I'm not sure if Reflects count for Hardcore. Oh, keeping in mind there is a 24 hour buffer each day that kills can't happen in, so my buying and selling is queued up and will happen right away, but my kills will take a tad bit longer.If the last CYOM is anything to go off of, then the scumteam is probably based around the guy you just changeling'd. What I mean is: the other two scum are likely built to act as support members, and as such will have difficulty switching their powers around to buy up the kill necessary to off you, at least not tomorrow. Once you have proven yourself to be a good and loyal townie, the town can clear your hardcore by day 3 start, at which point we can protect you. If you're really worried about being nk'd, you can just buy immune to kills by selling innate changeling, which, because of flexible, is easy to switch in and out. Being immune to kills means that the only way to take you out would be lynching you, which can't happen.
If the reflect weren't part of the plan, I'd be apprehensive about revealing my mask, because I'd bet my bottom dollar that I've ticked the scum off big time.
Hypothetical query: Why not a maskclaim now? What about Scarlet X? Given that nobody has picked up on that mask, is this akin to Edgar Allen Poe's story? [Reference]...as in, I don't see much talk about Scarlet there. What's your idea about that? I'm looking at Scarlet as...well its strange. They have Flexible for some reason yet Kill and Cleanse are not synchronized with each other--nor does it seem like whoever was marked cares to speak about it.Why not maskclaim now? On the off chance that the scum have some power waiting in the wings that can mess up Flabort before he can do his buying and selling.
If this plan goes off like expected, then not only would that leave me confirmed town, but 4mask, as you're the one who suggested it, wouldn't it relieve you of suspicion? Even if that's not enough, I could confirm that you'd have cleansed me of Intermittent.Whether or not it relieves me of suspicion will depend on which person you ask: why don't you ask everyone else. Me personally, I don't care one way or the other, I will just do anything I can to help my team win while I am alive.
[...]The problem I'm talking about is counter-changeling to the first idea :P
Actually, a better idea would likely be to buy ressurection, so that no matter what silliness the scum try to pull you will come back to life. This will work better because if the scum try to take bomb, you can just say "nope" and come back to life after they try and kill you with bomb.Hypothetical query: Why not a maskclaim now? What about Scarlet X? Given that nobody has picked up on that mask, is this akin to Edgar Allen Poe's story? [Reference]...as in, I don't see much talk about Scarlet there. What's your idea about that? I'm looking at Scarlet as...well its strange. They have Flexible for some reason yet Kill and Cleanse are not synchronized with each other--nor does it seem like whoever was marked cares to speak about it.Why not maskclaim now? On the off chance that the scum have some power waiting in the wings that can mess up Flabort before he can do his buying and selling.
Could scum make it look like they killed two people in one day? Look, what if their first kill actually fired today, but they had a partner with delayer who action-ed on their killer. They could then kill on Day 2 without a delay and make it look like two people were killed.huh.
Everyone: I have a possible plan.
I'm Scarlet, I'm currently unable to vote and someone did changeling deathsword and took his kill. And some santaed him a cleanse too.He seems to have been going for a vigilante role, but now I just have a bunch of flaws and an Inflate.Ah. That would have been me that took that kill. I'm surprised you didn't see that during your read.
Could scum make it look like they killed two people in one day? Look, what if their first kill actually fired today, but they had a partner with delayer who action-ed on their killer. They could then kill on Day 2 without a delay and make it look like two people were killed.That sounds like an awful plan, and a lot of trouble for them to go through.
Hey guys, sorry about my lack of activity, as I've been busy with other stuff. Also I'm kind of confused by the setup and haven't managed to fully read through the thread. Is it still D1?
Anyway, since I don't want TolyK to hang for something wrong. I'm Scarlet, I'm currently unable to vote and someone did changeling deathsword and took his kill. And some santaed him a cleanse too.He seems to have been going for a vigilante role, but now I just have a bunch of flaws and an Inflate. So if TolyK is scum, it's not because he's scarlet.
Why is almost everyone out to get Varee?
I've read the thread since I joined, and saw the bit where you claimed and were using it to try and lynch TolyK. I said someone, because I was having issues editing the post, and because you could be scum who claims changeling that your buddy actually has.I'm Scarlet, I'm currently unable to vote and someone did changeling deathsword and took his kill. And some santaed him a cleanse too.He seems to have been going for a vigilante role, but now I just have a bunch of flaws and an Inflate.Ah. That would have been me that took that kill. I'm surprised you didn't see that during your read.
I'm also surprised that you are claiming that after not doing so for so long. We were openly plotting your demise, you know.
Totally possible that the scum team took changelings to do the most damage possible.But then they'd be counter-lynched quite quickly afterwards...
Thus they could both be scum as well.
Obviously, nobody would claim to be "Scarlet and thus scum" (which exactly is what Persus did - another oddity!), so unless he had a get-out-of-jail-free card (which is close to what I have) he would be screwed and scum would have a mislynch.Yeah, so I'm having doubts and second guessing myself as a result of his claim.
I can prove my towniness by being a super-vig, starting day 2. Obviously if I don't, I'm a lying scum and you would lynch me.
Yeah, Rev, the absence of DS/Persus does explain that much. It may also explain why I got my changeling off before the scum got their kill off, because their killer was absent.
Persus, you realize that unless you give me a good reason not to, you're probably going to be one of my Vig targets tomorrow? And I'm thinking TolyK, because I've been suspecting TolyK most of the game so far anyways.
You know what? Everyone, Put votes for the two colors each of you thinks I should Vig Day 2 in Cyan, since it's not given an official use in this game, so won't interfere with any GM Tools like Lurker Tracker or whatever. My own votes are for Scarlet, Chrome.Obviously, nobody would claim to be "Scarlet and thus scum" (which exactly is what Persus did - another oddity!), so unless he had a get-out-of-jail-free card (which is close to what I have) he would be screwed and scum would have a mislynch.Yeah, so I'm having doubts and second guessing myself as a result of his claim.
Persus Could you flavor claim? Your role name before and after being changeling'd, and the flavor of the event. We already know everything else about you.
Hold on, massive problem with this plan.
Mask swap would kill this plan, as would redirects, protects, and immunities.
I just SEE this plan failing (at least one of the kills), then it turning out that flabort is scum anyways. Totally possible imo. Also, we know few masks of yet, and we could ourselves check for a mask-swap or just correspondence between masks and people right before shooting. This cyan-voting should still be for people, not masks.
4mask:Full mask claim tomorrow would also be bad. We need only for people to peek, twice for each mask. That's 4 peeks from at least two (three) different people, and for all of them to hit the targets required.Everyone: I have a possible plan.
Before he shoots twice, how do we know he's town?
In any case, Mask Swap wrecks your plan hard; we'd need some trustworthy Peek action going on as well.
Also, full mask claim now is bad because they can just block Flabort. That said, if people would stop claiming their masks already...
It's an interesting plan, but I'm not sold on its merits.
Masks: Lemon, Ochre, Scarlet, Ultramarine, Turquoise, Brown, White, Chrome, Black, Beige, Emerald, PuceI'm voting twice! And either someone had a double vote, or one of my votes count, or 4mask has his vote back.
Guest List - Formal Requests For Unmasking
Reverie
Tiruin
Toaster
Persus13 - Toaster
Varee - Wolf, Jiokuy, Flabort, TolyK [3]
Wolf - Varee [1]
Toony
Silthuri
Scripten
TolyK - Toony, Scripten, Silthuri [3]
Jiokuy - Tiruin [1]
Flabort - TolyK
Has used their extend: Scripten, Flabort, Wolf, Tiruin
Hammer is 7 votes. Day ends when the hammer falls, or Monday 4PM BST (GMT+1).
I can prove my towniness by being a super-vig, starting day 2. Obviously if I don't, I'm a lying scum and you would lynch me.How does this prove your towniness?
Persus, you realize that unless you give me a good reason not to, you're probably going to be one of my Vig targets tomorrow? And I'm thinking TolyK, because I've been suspecting TolyK most of the game so far anyways.If I was scum, why would I claim?
Apparently someone didn't read the OP.I can prove my towniness by being a super-vig, starting day 2. Obviously if I don't, I'm a lying scum and you would lynch me.How does this prove your towniness?Persus, you realize that unless you give me a good reason not to, you're probably going to be one of my Vig targets tomorrow? And I'm thinking TolyK, because I've been suspecting TolyK most of the game so far anyways.If I was scum, why would I claim?
Also I'm a Disheveled Cardinal.
4maskwolf, why is your plan for proving flabort town involving him double vig killing two people? That does not sound like a good vig plan to me.
Screw it, this day may be taking forever, but ending it now isn't productive. Extend.
Scum collectively can't kill more than one target in a phase. A player can only use one power per day, unless they have an auto that says otherwise. If a player targets themselves with a non-self targeting power, it will fail.Emphasis.
Also, why the hell are you a cardinal? You had a kill and now have an inflate, neither of which seem particularly fitting to either the role in the Catholic Church or the bird.I've a rather silly comment on this but will wait on Persus :3
I read this as 'Scum, as a whole, cannot kill more than one target in a phase.'The scum don't have a night kill. Only one member of the team can kill in a phase, and no member can kill more than once in a phase. This is all to say, that there can only ever be one scum kill a day.
This means one member can kill twice, but they can't kill as a collective (more than once).
Though that was a bit silly when it went to the more than one target...it still felt like that due to the next sentence. Which I regarded in the scenario of 'kill' pertaining to the scum NK.
So I was moving. My new roommate told me we had internet, however he apparently forgot to pay the bill for August. I'm currently at a coffee shop. I hope to make a make a post in 10-12 hours or so (I'm spending the current time catching up).Hah! Guessed it was a RL thing~ \o/
NQT: A small request, if I haven't posted by the end of the day tomorrow please Extend.
My sincerest apologies. I've set it up where I should be able to make posts 2-3 times a day for the next 2 weeks (Then college resumes and I can use their internet), or whenever the cable co decides to turn the net back on.
It's tied now I think. I guess I'll switch back to Varee.The above is the local vote settings.
Varee - Wolf, Jiokuy, Flabort, [2]Yeah, it's four votes now.
Five, you forgot about Toony.That was a votecount at the time OF Toony's post I:
NQT: I don't envy your job.
So I was moving. My new roommate told me we had internet, however he apparently forgot to pay the bill for August. I'm currently at a coffee shop. I hope to make a make a post in 10-12 hours or so (I'm spending the current time catching up).@Purple: Dat conditional. Only saw that while looking back.
NQT: A small request, if I haven't posted by the end of the day tomorrow please Extend.
My sincerest apologies. I've set it up where I should be able to make posts 2-3 times a day for the next 2 weeks (Then college resumes and I can use their internet), or whenever the cable co decides to turn the net back on.
Masks: Lemon, Ochre, Scarlet, Ultramarine, Turquoise, Brown, White, Chrome, Black, Beige, Emerald, PuceAnd you haven't really read through, have you? I've claimed several times. 4mask summed it all up as well. Also, what's you exact case on me currently?
Guest List - Formal Requests For Unmasking
Reverie
Tiruin
Toaster
Persus13 - Toaster
Varee - Wolf, Jiokuy, Flabort, Reverie, Toony, TolyK [4]
Wolf - Persus, Varee [1]
Toony
Silthuri
Scripten
TolyK - Scripten, Silthuri [2]
Jiokuy - Tiruin [1]
Flabort
Has used their extend: Scripten, Flabort, Wolf, Tiruin
Hammer is 7 votes. Day ends when the hammer falls, or Monday 4PM BST (GMT+1).
Varee.But you already voted Varee! D:<
And you haven't really read through, have you? I've claimed several times. 4mask summed it all up as well. Also, what's you exact case on me currently?Yes, Yes I have. Though at the current moment the more distinct thoughts hang about in the mind-broiled fugue I'm wading through to get coherency in my posts.
- that was my original argument for not voting Varee, but given this plan to confirm I think that it's best not to accidentally kill too many people in a short period of time.Yeah...like we can target anyone directly as masks. Sure.
NQT: A small request, if I haven't posted by the end of the day tomorrow please Extend.Sure, if you don't appear in the next three hours I'll make Day 1 last a nice round two weeks.
NQT: I don't envy your job.It's tough to get things right the first time all the time. Luckily, I'm blessed with being allowed to edit my posts.
...Wait, do non-voters' votes register as hammer votes?No, that'd be an unusual interpretation of 'unable-to-vote'. Non-voters can't vote, especially to hammer. The hammer number is based on the number of players though, not the number of players-that-can-vote.
Exactly, the vote is a surefire way to kill people. Let's look at it this way.- that was my original argument for not voting Varee, but given this plan to confirm I think that it's best not to accidentally kill too many people in a short period of time.Yeah...like we can target anyone directly as masks. Sure.
And its not like the Vote is a SUREFIRE way to get a kill off. Yeah.
...Actually using my TolyK meter, I might be misunderstanding, but could you explain more on the orange part please?
Also why is there an 'accidentally' there? :v
Pps. Don't forget that I promised that I did be more or less confirmed at day end of not being involved in the changeling shenanigans. (yes, I'm aware that doesn't make me not-scum)I'm of the motion that neither you or Varee should be the lynch target today but bleh.
holy shit this day 1Yeah.
Also, hahahaha, I have a vote now.Besides flabort, yes. And I think it is possible that scum didn't kill knowing that flabort had stated the targets he was going to kill, to have him eliminate some town members for them.
Which also made me a notable mortician, apparently.
So, Tiruin was town, as NQT's edit indicates.
Persus13, you are the other known player to have had a kill. If there isn't a scum kill today, do you believe that the scum did not have a kill? What do you think they would have taken instead?
Also, there's your proof.
During the first dance, Chrome targeted Chrome
Ugh.What you proved is actually a moot point by now, since Persus claimed scarlet.
I proved that I couldn't have been on either side of the changeling shenanigans. I've already pointed out that this doesn't make me not-scum.
Well, since it seems that it's too late to do what I was going to do now, I will have to revise the plan.Here's the thing.
I'm going to sell the entire Free-innate-changeling power. I no longer have Flexible due to this mistake, so I only get 5 points. That's enough to buy Prolific still, and I still have the kill, so I can still kill two targets.
However, now I'm blatant and kill-immune from that mistake, so there's no need to protect me.
The mistake being that I accidentally changeling'd Puce. Because that had been the first action I'd queued up, and NQT didn't apparently receive my later PMs; I can, however, salvage the mistake.
Someone just gave me Inflate through some power or another. That means I have one action I can use this round, I think. No need to reveal who it was, but does anyone have thoughts on which powers should be inflated?Bloodthirsty. It helps scum a lot by getting extra points.
Yup, just got the PM reminding me about that.Well, since it seems that it's too late to do what I was going to do now, I will have to revise the plan.Here's the thing.
I'm going to sell the entire Free-innate-changeling power. I no longer have Flexible due to this mistake, so I only get 5 points. That's enough to buy Prolific still, and I still have the kill, so I can still kill two targets.
However, now I'm blatant and kill-immune from that mistake, so there's no need to protect me.
The mistake being that I accidentally changeling'd Puce. Because that had been the first action I'd queued up, and NQT didn't apparently receive my later PMs; I can, however, salvage the mistake.
You can't do that.
You used the free part of your changeling, so as far as I know the only part of that you can sell is the innate portion. This means that you would have to sell your kill immune in order to operate the plan (at a cost of six, that'll give you three points, plus the one for innate off of changeling). Which would leave you more vulnerable, but still able to use the plan.
Someone power swapped their scan for my track. May I ask who it was?Sounds like scum.
I'm going to hazard a guess that puce was Toonyman. It wasn't Varee, you, Toaster, TolyK, Tiruin, Persus13, Reverie, Scripten, or myself. This leaves Toony, Silthuri, and Jiokuy. Toonyman made an offhanded reference earlier in the game about having a couple -1's that didn't hinder him much, so I'm going to guess that of the three, it was probably him.I am Puce. I can confirm that Flabort changeling'd me (why did you do that). I have no powers (because of my minimalist?) and two flaws that Flabort used to have, hardcore and intermittent. Thanks for that bud.
TolyK seems to not have been lying, but hasn't proved his innocence yet as far as I see, but neither is he for sure scum. Persus13... I still think that Scarlet had to have been scum, so...
Is everyone OK with my killing Scarlet and... Brown?
Apologies once again for my absence... It won't happen again. That post I promised is going to be a bit late, but it will happen.Was it replaced by anything?TolyK seems to not have been lying, but hasn't proved his innocence yet as far as I see, but neither is he for sure scum. Persus13... I still think that Scarlet had to have been scum, so...
Is everyone OK with my killing Scarlet and... Brown?
I would prefer you didn't kill brown. Unless I've been mask swapped, that's me.
Since I'm claiming my mask, I'll also say that someone stole my peek right after the 24 hour delay was up yesterday. I didn't claim this earlier because I was scared to death to have anyone know my mask. Especially if it was the scum that took it.
Yup, just got the PM reminding me about that.
However, I have 1 XP, I could... uh... I'll figure out a way to buy prolific, don't worry.
I think someone is running an obnoxious free-powerswap, from the looks of things.
Apologies once again for my absence... It won't happen again. That post I promised is going to be a bit late, but it will happen.Was it replaced by anything?TolyK seems to not have been lying, but hasn't proved his innocence yet as far as I see, but neither is he for sure scum. Persus13... I still think that Scarlet had to have been scum, so...
Is everyone OK with my killing Scarlet and... Brown?
I would prefer you didn't kill brown. Unless I've been mask swapped, that's me.
Since I'm claiming my mask, I'll also say that someone stole my peek right after the 24 hour delay was up yesterday. I didn't claim this earlier because I was scared to death to have anyone know my mask. Especially if it was the scum that took it.
I think someone is running an obnoxious free-powerswap, from the looks of things.
Nope. They just took my peek.
Silthuri:Nope. They just took my peek.
Are you minimalist?
Toaster: you're the one flinging around power swaps randomly, aren't you? If you're town, shame on you, if you're scum, time to die.
Also, Flabort, just kill two people who you find suspicious without saying who. We've got a few suspicious people with claimed masks already (at least one). And may heaven help you if you're lying, because we will know, and fairly quickly.That's equivalent to saying "Just kill two people randomly".
They're not all random, but thanks for letting me vote. I figured power in my hands was more trustworthy than in the hands of anyone else.That's the same justification behind my innate-changeling build.
Anyway, you don't think it's convenient that he's just planning on firing blindly? That seems like a good plan to you? Let's review what he's done:1) NQT screwed up my plan. But I am able to salvage it, so that doesn't matter.
1) Claimed he screwed up his plan
2) Claimed his targets in advance
3) Gotten Brown to claim and probably Emerald now
4) Thrown his own mask color out there
@Tiruin:You jerk >_>
You deserved to die with that build, town my butt!
NQT: If a Kill-Immune player is targeted with a kill, are they informed?Nope.
NQT: Are minimalists notified when someone tries to give them a power?Nope.
I figured power in my hands was more trustworthy than in the hands of anyone else.Uh-huh, sure Toaster.
That isn't to say there hasn't been mask-swap shenanigans, so it might not even be helpful.The kills have already been sent in, so it doesn't matter what his mask is.
I figured power in my hands was more trustworthy than in the hands of anyone else.Uh-huh, sure Toaster.
Because of course you alone are paramount to town survival and the rest of us townies are only good for points to fuel your super-towniness, amiright?
Why are you all assuming I haven't hit a single scum?I'm not. But you've hit several people at this point, and the odds of them ALL being scum are nonexistant. As such, you are screwing over at least some townies.
Let's expand that earlier question a bit:Because I haven't thought about where to put my vote yet, and I'm not sure whether or not to vote off and kill the person who we killed once already, or whether to leave them alone and vote someone else.
Wolf, Jiokuy, Flabort, TolyK, and Toony: Why aren't you voting Varee now?
Why are you voting me over Varee as well? Varee's build crippled someone. I just jack a single power from people. And again, I'm not always targeting at random; just ask TolyK.Yeah... Wait, what?
Wolf, Jiokuy, Flabort, TolyK, and Toony: Why aren't you voting Varee now?I could, for teh lulz.
If scum's single kill ended up targeting a different scum, what would happen?The kill would be processed as normal.
What if a scum ended up self-targeting?If they were magnetic and that's why they self targeted, or if they were killed as a result of a reflect, then they'd die, otherwise, the kill would fail.
What if a town killer ended up self-targeting?Same as scum.
TolyK: So how did you self-target yesterday?His scan was taken, probably by you even!
TolyK: So how did you self-target yesterday?Uh, just self-targeted. As in, targeted Chrome.
TolyK: So how did you self-target yesterday?Uh, just self-targeted. As in, targeted Chrome.
It failed, obviously, but it told me I was still Chrome and it told you I was Chrome as well.
Then you (probably) stole it.
Actually, no! Make a full analysis of the person 2 below you on the voting roster. This cycles around.I have very little to say on Silthuri, I'll look over my notes and post on this matter later.
NQT: You still have Persus listed in the votecount.What is dead may never—oh alright, I'll get rid of him.
Oh, uh. Actually, make that the third person under you, so that it goes around. Because 10%2=0For me, that'd be Varee I'm looking at. OK, will do.
(http://i.imgur.com/j54jtS9.gif)NQT: You still have Persus listed in the votecount.What is dead may never—oh alright, I'll get rid of him.
Oh, uh. Actually, make that the third person under you, so that it goes around. Because 10%2=0So that's Jiokuy for me? On it!
So after reading through all that, Varee. I was willing to believe you were town up to "the changeling incident".Oh, yeah, and it's not the incident itself that I'm voting you for, it's how the incident was handled.
Let's expand that earlier question a bit:
Wolf, Jiokuy, Flabort, TolyK, and Toony: Why aren't you voting Varee now?
Questions for Toony: Now that both 4mask and I can vote, how does that affect your opinion of us? Yesterday we were pretty scummy for picking nonvoter; how much of that still applies?Meh. 4mask is probably town. You're probably scum. Using nonvoter as an argument doesn't really work.
Why didn't you answer this question (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5548804#msg5548804) to you?Sure my highness. I'm still cool with Varee.
Well that is band wagoning under you guys defenition isnt it ...Why didn't you answer this question (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5548804#msg5548804) to you?Sure my highness. I'm still cool with Varee.
Actually, by my count, it's tied now, with about 1:20 left in the day.
Reading is cool.Indeed it is. I was going to respond to you later when I finished my analysis of 4maskwolf, but if you insist, I'll bite now.
After some RVS D1, she proposes a D3 mask claim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5506772#msg5506772); it's met with generalized apathy. No real opinion on that, though. Later, she gives 4mask a FoS (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5513661#msg5513661) with no actual vote out. There's no reason this couldn't have been a vote. Ditto to Tiruin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5515894#msg5515894).How is deciding to use an FoS instead of a vote scummy during RVS? Both are pressure tools and FoS's are fine.
First actual vote is on (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5518322#msg5518322) Varee, and it's a cheap easy one to make. She does back off it, though. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5521429#msg5521429)Yes I voted Varee, and it was an obvious decision, aside from the resurrection thing. I still stand by my vote and I still think he is your scumbuddy.
Reads are light on analysis....they were exactly that, unconvinced. However, between pending inspection results and later the promise of an informative second dance, this was fine by me.
D2 she starts off with a vote on me that screams "getting in early on a bandwagon." (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140835.msg5548291#msg5548291)Sure, accuse me of bandwagoning on something scummy as hell that you have yet to explain off.
I figured power in my hands was more trustworthy than in the hands of anyone else.This is not something a townie would say. Explain?
Oh, we've gotten that far in mask claiming? I hadn't realized.For someone who flaunts knowing everyone's masks, this is a strange admission.
Your verdict on me is...Oh, we've gotten that far in mask claiming? I hadn't realized.For someone who flaunts knowing everyone's masks, this is a strange admission.
Oh, we've gotten that far in mask claiming? I hadn't realized.For someone who flaunts knowing everyone's masks, this is a strange admission.
Well puce is jioku then and we got all of them.puce is Toony. White is Jiokuy, apparently.
Also wolf you miss the other 6 point i spent on auto in my power list.
Your verdict on me is...
ToonyMan: Why do you think 4mask is town?He thought of the plan for Flabort. His build also doesn't harm any alive players.
ToonyMan: yes, I agree with you, Varee is likely scum. However, you just said that you think Toaster is scum as well, and Toaster's role is a hell of a lot more powerful than Varee's is. Varee, if I'm remembering correctly, is currently sitting on hardcore, virtuous, and either a one point power/auto or one point. In other words, we have bigger fish to fry: namely Toaster.I randomly scanned Emerald yesterday and was told they had 1xp to spend. So Varee hasn't used it and they probably still have their mask (most people probably have 1xp honestly).
Varee has used five of the six xp he had yesterday, if that is to be believed. Which means that he is less of a threat to us than Toaster is, who has lots of xp (likely).ToonyMan: Why do you think 4mask is town?He thought of the plan for Flabort. His build also doesn't harm any alive players.ToonyMan: yes, I agree with you, Varee is likely scum. However, you just said that you think Toaster is scum as well, and Toaster's role is a hell of a lot more powerful than Varee's is. Varee, if I'm remembering correctly, is currently sitting on hardcore, virtuous, and either a one point power/auto or one point. In other words, we have bigger fish to fry: namely Toaster.I randomly scanned Emerald yesterday and was told they had 1xp to spend. So Varee hasn't used it and they probably still have their mask (most people probably have 1xp honestly).
Toaster is more of a threat, but only if he's actually mafia.Do you think he isn't? He's running a role who's only point is to screw over anyone and everyone. At best, he's being a selfish townie, at worst, he's scum. Either way, I'm not sure we need someone like that in the game right now.
You missed Toaster's vote on Reverie. :PAnd my vote on Varee, and I don't think Varee was voting Varee.
-snip-Let me tidy that up for you... (I'm mostly bugged by you copy/pasting the "Me!" without changing it, just a little thing).
Interestingly, I'm finding that examining roles is quite good for catching scum this game.I think most games it is, personally...
Toaster is more of a threat, but only if he's actually mafia.Very true. Would you like me to make him one of my vig targets tomorrow?
You realize that he can easily buy immune to kills with his current build, right?Toaster is more of a threat, but only if he's actually mafia.Very true. Would you like me to make him one of my vig targets tomorrow?
Reverie, do you have any case on me besides that you don't like my role?Besides the way you used it? Sure. You didn't answer my question.
I will point out that there should be two mafia left. It's possible that Flabort and 4maskwolf bussed their partner Persus13 since he's useless anyway, and figured out TolyK was kill-immune before making their "shot".The last part of this. If that double-kill doesn't go off, then I will throw in a vote against you. You aren't out of the woods yet.
In other words, Flabort by dammit a double-kill should be perfectly possible tomorrow or I will vote you.
Also, heh, I beat Flabort to the first two things he was doing in his post by a second.I got a chance to PPE for Toony's post, but yours happened so quickly before mine that I didn't even get to PPE that one!
I will point out that there should be two mafia left. It's possible that Flabort and 4maskwolf bussed their partner Persus13 since he's useless anyway, and figured out TolyK was kill-immune before making their "shot".That would be the most amazing bus play ever. If that's what were happening, I would be in a coma from the excitement.
In other words, Flabort by dammit a double-kill should be perfectly possible tomorrow or I will vote you.
Okey dokey.I will point out that there should be two mafia left. It's possible that Flabort and 4maskwolf bussed their partner Persus13 since he's useless anyway, and figured out TolyK was kill-immune before making their "shot".The last part of this. If that double-kill doesn't go off, then I will throw in a vote against you. You aren't out of the woods yet.
In other words, Flabort by dammit a double-kill should be perfectly possible tomorrow or I will vote you.
Oh yeah that was why I wanted to avoid a Toaster lynch. Scripten is lovers with Toaster. That would make both of our lynch targets un-ideal, Scripten would die just like Tiruin.It's not ideal, but leaving him alive is a horrible option too.
If Toaster keeps his promise, even better.
Vote Varee
I ask again; does anyone have anything against me besides not liking my build? If not, don't neglect actual scumhunting.A few things, yes. I've mentioned most of them in the past, but here's the main problem I have: the way you are using your powers. You're acting like nobody else is really that important, compared to you. Which isn't a good attitude for a townie to have.
I'd rather vote actual scum like Reverie now anyway.Okay.
hey NQT what is your policy on voting your self? i kinda want to hammer myself :PWhy would you want to do that? If you've changed your role to be helpful only to kill yourself, that's immensely spiteful if you're town or just trollish if you are scum.
As an aside, I've been patrolling you since yesterday. Since my track has been confirmed through Toaster's swap, I'd welcome anyone to target Varee so I can confirm this patrol too.
Saying you agree that something happened that someone else clearly said they did does not confirm anything about you.It's one thing to agree, and another thing entirely to call it out once it happens. I don't expect I'll get very much use out of this Varee patrol now anyway, but at least I can get this thing confirmed.
I am now cleansed, which supports Varee's claim. Thoughts from everyone else?I am cautious. For a vulnerable scumteam without a NK, appealing to town with acts of goodwill and hinging on winning through mislynches is probably one of their more viable plays -- especially in Varee's case, since he's facing the noose. I think lynching Varee and (finally) getting that flip is our best way forward at this point. Most of all, I want to see if the scumteam is role-saboteur type.
And I will be around after all, now that I successfully got myself left behind. :)Step away from the computer and go outside right now young man.
No mosquitoes, bears, or lakes for me.
V/LA: I'm having LASIK on the 15th. It'll limit my ability to stare at a computer screen for a week or so, but not so much that I won't be able to play. That day and the following weekend I'll surely be out, but the next week I'll be here; just less than usual.Do you get put under for this surgery? (It sounds scary)
And I will be around after all, now that I successfully got myself left behind. :)Dude, even I go outside sometimes. :P
No mosquitoes, bears, or lakes for me.
V/LA: I'm having LASIK on the 15th. It'll limit my ability to stare at a computer screen for a week or so, but not so much that I won't be able to play. That day and the following weekend I'll surely be out, but the next week I'll be here; just less than usual.Hope it goes with least possible discomfort.
You don't want to lynch Varee?I do right now, but I'm starting to second guess myself.
Uh, currently not bloodthirsty, but I'm willing to overlook that. And scripten's lover should be gone now.Sorry, I forgot to change that on yours. It's hard to compile a list of disparate claims, so I copy-pasted my last list into my post and then edited it.
We could hammer a no-lynch, as far as which targets to take out. But I don't think it's a great idea right now.
I do think that Jiokuy claiming is a good idea.
Toaster, you're confirmed.So I'm actually correct there.
Just cleansed of my one-shot flaw. I've still got lover, but that's all down to a throw of the dice. Take from that what you all will.
I'm thinking of selling scan and purchasing count or just getting track back. Count would be useful for finding claim discrepancies, but track is good too. I'm not sure which is more useful at this point. Opinions?count. I vote count.
half its original cost rounded downNevermind, found it.
Not that it really makes much difference if I buy it now or on the next dance, since it's ready to go the moment I buy it (I think?)You've already used your action for today, so you could not use the count today even if you were able to buy it.
Yeah, you can use powers as soon as you buy them. I sold powers, bought a new one, and used it all in the same PM.yes, but that was because you got a free power. In this instance, Reverie could not, because she would not have a free power to use.
Clarifying: because Reverie used her one action for the turn and the power that was bought was not free, she could not use the power that turn.Yeah, you can use powers as soon as you buy them. I sold powers, bought a new one, and used it all in the same PM.yes, but that was because you got a free power. In this instance, Reverie could not, because she would not have a free power to use.
Clarifying: because Reverie used her one action for the turn and the power that was bought was not free, she could not use the power that turn.I've actually used two actions today. Track on Toaster before it was swapped, and free-Patrol on Varee.
Yes, Toaster removed his one shot, but his lover is gone too:Uh, currently not bloodthirsty, but I'm willing to overlook that. And scripten's lover should be gone now.Sorry, I forgot to change that on yours. It's hard to compile a list of disparate claims, so I copy-pasted my last list into my post and then edited it.
We could hammer a no-lynch, as far as which targets to take out. But I don't think it's a great idea right now.
I do think that Jiokuy claiming is a good idea.
I thought I read that the cleanse had removed his one-shot, but I'll check.Toaster, you're confirmed.So I'm actually correct there.
Just cleansed of my one-shot flaw. I've still got lover, but that's all down to a throw of the dice. Take from that what you all will.
All in all, I think one mistake isn't bad.
well i already did it on scripten, toaster should no longer beloved
I am now cleansed, which supports Varee's claim.
Yeah, I had the same trouble when working on getting double kill, discovered the same thing.half its original cost rounded downNevermind, found it.
PPE: Is the Track on Toaster still working, though? Did you learn of his targets today after it got swapped away?Derp, the track was on Scripten, not Toaster. It's been on him all day and the only time he was targeted was by Toaster's cleanse.
Sorry again for the lack of inactivity, expect a Toaster read list in aprox ~24 hours.Everyone else has fullclaimed their roles, Jiokuy, you need to as well.
Yes I can confirm I'm White.
Everyone I'm willing to full-claim, but since I lack the mask protection I feel like that would draw unnecessary heat. I also really don't want to get targeted by Power-Steal / Power-Swap. I however will claim my current title. Currently I am the Monk of Distinction, my color is White and I get the feeling your powers influenced your color (both of the red colors had kills).
To be fair, I wasn't informed who cleansed me, but Varee claimed first. Still, it's hard to see this as anything but a WIFOM situation. After all, he could be scum buying town points as easily as apologetic town.It doesn't make them any more town, but it does help town as a whole.
Toony, Varee, TolyK I was thinking. What are your definitions of a "Policy Lynch", and is that what is happening here?Who do you suppose is good? I'm fine with Varee or TolyK being lynched.
If so, is there someone exhibiting scummy traits we could lynch who it would not be a policy lynch?
Everyone I'm willing to full-claim, but since I lack the mask protection I feel like that would draw unnecessary heat. I also really don't want to get targeted by Power-Steal / Power-Swap. I however will claim my current title. Currently I am the Monk of Distinction, my color is White and I get the feeling your powers influenced your color (both of the red colors had kills).I didn't have a kill.
Toony, Varee, TolyK I was thinking. What are your definitions of a "Policy Lynch", and is that what is happening here?I dont really feel like this is a policy lynch. It is more like process of deduction where we just keep killing people and eventually get to the right person that need to be kill.
If so, is there someone exhibiting scummy traits we could lynch who it would not be a policy lynch?
Hm.I don't know...
Pretty sure Flabort's town, but not entirely sure still.
Alright, what's our plan now?
4mask: What do you think of Varee's flip? What impact does this have on your reads of other players?Varee's flip made me doubt my scumpicks, whom I was pretty sure were all scum. Toaster is the last of my scumpicks, and I'm certainly suspicious of Jiokuy over his refusal to claim. Depending on what Jiokuy claims and how well it lines up, I may vote him or Toaster.
Why's the first part FoS color, Flabort?EBWOP: I haven't gotten confirmation of my cleanse going through yet, but NQT is listed as online, so I'm guessing it will be processed shortly.
And thanks 4mask. <3 (???)
Why's the first part FoS color, Flabort?Of the remaining players, those four are my scum picks.
Uh, yes. I sold changeling completely, and got Innate for most of my other powers.Can you just be specific on what you have, I'm trying to compile a list that the town can use.
I'm still blatant and minimalist, still have a kill, still have those three autos. But now I don't have changeling, and have innate on all but one auto.
Also, I now have flexible.Thank you.
Sure. I guess. Unless you're about to pull a Toaster.Thank you.
Flexible, Innate Kill, Innate Kill-immune, Innate Prolific, Blatant, Minimalist.
"Supreme Avatar of Death".
Really hoping neither kills fail, REALLY hoping both hit scum.
Flexible isn't?I meant all of the ones you listed as innate. Sorry. I should have been more clear.
Deathsword, Skinflint Cardinal, Scarlet, 1xp, SCUM
Inflate 2
Flexible 2
Hardcore -1
Unable to Vote -2
Toaster, Toony, TolyK, Jiokuy: What's your thoughts going into this day? What is your plan, what have you done already, what is your angle?I should have figured he was town since he did the same thing you did, but his shady nature pulled the wool over my eyes.
Everyone: are there any changes in your roles? What actions have you performed?No change here. It's an odd phase now so I'm completely useless with intermittent on me. Toaster can you cleanse this...
Everyone else Is there really that little information to go on? Who are each of your top suspects?My top suspects are about to be executed. After that, I'm really not sure. I'll have to go back and look things over.
Toaster had plenty of chances to, he just didn't. He was on yesterday.
why did we shoot Toaster before he used his free-cleanse
Blatant x3
Bless (!!!!)
Cleanse (toaster)
Dense
Flexible x3 (toaster, jiokuy)
Free x2 (lots)
Grave-dig
Hardcore x2 (reverie, toaster)
Inflate
Innate
Intermittent ( )
Magnetic (jiokuy)
Minimalist
Scan (reverie)
Silent (??)Unable to vote(Kinda sure this is TolyK because my action seems to have been processed before 4mask's)
Someone other than Flabort.Well, yeah, it's not me. And yeah, rereading is a great idea.
I think now is a good time to reread the thread for everyone.
I think now is a good time to reread the thread for everyone.Naaaah
I'm thinking... Toony, when I changeling'd you by mistake, have you done anything since? Bought off anything? Sold anything?I bought scan and bloodthirsty with the 2xp I had. I can't even do anything this phase unless I buy off intermittent, but like hell I would waste xp on doing that, plus it confirms I didn't do shit this phase.
Probably not, eh.
If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.Absolutely fine with this. Heck, you could shoot everyone but yourself to net us the win.
OK, so after killing you and Silth, if the game's STILL not over, I convince 4mask to help me hammer a no-lynch, so that I can kill him and scripten?If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.Absolutely fine with this. Heck, you could shoot everyone but yourself to net us the win.
Keeping in mind creating this super vig required stealing points from a scum and a fellow town or two scum, completely wiping away most of their powers and points. I'm currently using 26 points of power right now.Hammering a no-lynch if they don't turn out to be scum is acceptable to me. Scripten can't buy himself immune to kills, so I am willing to die to let the town win.
Minimal points to create a vig with two kills is 10; that's prolific and kill. If I hadn't eliminated every other kill, by LUCK, then people would argue that the kills had come from multiple sources. The minimal double-vig setup, which would cripple the vig in a big way, would be almost impossible to confirm as town and just as impossible to keep alive. The scum would have surely gone into high gear looking for a double killer if there had been one and killed him ASAP.
Although... Take prolific kill with blatant, minimalist, dense, and unable to vote. Kill as close to the lynch as you can, claim the kills and blatant, and I guess someone can protect you each day. Yeah, I guess town vig's can become a slight bit overpowered.OK, so after killing you and Silth, if the game's STILL not over, I convince 4mask to help me hammer a no-lynch, so that I can kill him and scripten?If we lynch TolyK and he's not scum, I'm thinking I'm going to kill Toony and Silthuri, leaving Scripten, 4mask, and I, and we'll have LYLO with a confirmed towny and two unknowns.Absolutely fine with this. Heck, you could shoot everyone but yourself to net us the win.
Oh, but what if someone gets kill immune? And they're scum?
PPE: Yeash. Never thought I'd actually see so much willingness to die.
Wait, I'm at hammer-1 again? Seriously?...
I obviously had kill-immune since the beginning of the game.
I JUST said that I graverobbed 12 points of powers, can't do anything else today.
Do not want to be hammered. Toony, why'd you do that?
Extend.
Pfp
Don't you dare buy Supersaint.If he's town, he won't. If he's scum, then they lose anyway.
I already told you what I graverobbed, Toaster and Jiokuy.OK, everyone else is being very self-sacrificial at this point. You're still being self preservationist.
If I were scum this would be pointless... Oh, wait, no, I see how I could be a dick with my points.
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Also, bah.
Amusingly enough, if TolyK is scum then Flabort almost got two scum in their first two shots.Gut feelings, bro. Gut feelings.
Oh, and if not 4mask, then Toony. I wish I had 3 more points, it would've been cleaner. But at least this is effective. :D... you just shot me, didn't you. ::)
tsk. I was afraid of that.Oh, and if not 4mask, then Toony. I wish I had 3 more points, it would've been cleaner. But at least this is effective. :D... you just shot me, didn't you. ::)
My word. You WERE leading me around by the nose!teehee.
Once again I find myself in complete agreement with 4mask. Either he's right, and the ultimate towny, or he's the ultimate scum leading me around by the nose.
Eat your words people, eat your words.Your verdict on me is...
Solid town. The largest factor in my saying this is your flabort plan, which would have been too strong a pro-town play for scum to gambit. It also nailed us Persus, who you were voting for anyway. You've been pretty transparent with your role after you've claimed, willing to give up an opportunity to graverob to help get rid of Varee's resurrect, proactive in your scumhunting, have provided lots of blanket reads and pegged Toaster as the free-power swap role.
In short, you've been agreeable and made plenty of sense (especially during the second dance), and I would be blown away if you turned out to be scum.
I was pretty disappointed nobody mask swapped in the whole game; there was a lot scum could have done to be cannier.I probably would have if I was mafia. It seemed like the only way to counter the super-vig Flabort.
I was pretty disappointed nobody mask swapped in the whole game; there was a lot scum could have done to be cannier.Yeah I was about to say, Mask Swap is basically Bus on steroids, and Bus was already the best scum power after Convert last time.
That was the thing: I played him in such a way that he would have shot me last. And I was going to self-reflect free-autoblock him to kill him with that.I was pretty disappointed nobody mask swapped in the whole game; there was a lot scum could have done to be cannier.I probably would have if I was mafia. It seemed like the only way to counter the super-vig Flabort.
Also I retract my statement, good shot TolyK.
But the moment we mask swapped, we would spook the town out of relying on super-vig, and I was relying on super-vig to win the game.I was pretty disappointed nobody mask swapped in the whole game; there was a lot scum could have done to be cannier.Yeah I was about to say, Mask Swap is basically Bus on steroids, and Bus was already the best scum power after Convert last time.
And TolyK wins the MVP town player, for eliminating the extremely crafty scum who fooled everyone else.I do, honestly. It's very tactical in a way that other mafia games aren't.
Also, 4maskwolf, you seem to enjoy CYOM much more than any other Mafia games.
You all really should have been more suspicious of me.Sorry for not doubting the guy who got both of his teammates killed. :P
But the moment we mask swapped, we would spook the town out of relying on super-vig, and I was relying on super-vig to win the game.It could also have saved some of your members though. That always has to be the priority in a role-madness game, because no amount of WIFOM will save you from PoE (Process of Elimination) if you fall behind in numbers.
I just realized a terrible thing. Whomever stole my powers can use them on me next day. They know they got it from Scarlet, and will probably use on it. Varee is crafty, as evidenced in Jack's BYOR, and started the whole evil RGB colours thing, so I suspect it's him. We need to take down whomever has the kill so 4maskwolf can graverob it.:P
Wait, there were TWO town changelings?Bwhahahahah!
Holy shit Varee is good at this.This sentence... makes me forget my pain and sorrow. It's pretty darn funny :P
Don't get too cocky, things might change when I enter the fray.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF....Trollololololol
Will this day never end?
SHIT FLABORT WAS THE ONE WHO STOLE YOUR KILL!!!!!And the big reveal! I knew reading the scum chat would be the best read of all times.
Heh. That was the plan though. By PoE, I was to be one of the last two executed, and as I said, self-reflect free autoblock. Flabort dies, scum victory.But the moment we mask swapped, we would spook the town out of relying on super-vig, and I was relying on super-vig to win the game.It could also have saved some of your members though. That always has to be the priority in a role-madness game, because no amount of WIFOM will save you from PoE (Process of Elimination) if you fall behind in numbers.
I'm glad people like the game mode. I like giving players the agency to play the game the way that suits them. There'll definitely be a CYOM3 at some point. I liked it being nightless though it vastly favoured players with Flexible and a means to gain more powers to sell. I might bring back conversions, and/or maybe another of scum dealing with people like Infection, or Booby-Trapping the use of certain powers. The Masquerade aspect of it was really to deal with the issue of bussing conflicts in a logical and interesting way, but all it did in this game was protect obviously scummy players from being immediately acted upon. I liked that aspect of it so it may see a return.Eh. I needed as many people to die as possible to make the plan work. So I tried (and ended up succeeding) to get four people killed in one day(I intended three by kill, one by lynch) to get the numbers down to five. I had backup plans in case I was put higher up the chopping queue, but bussing both your teammates ruthlessly seems to be a rather effective strategy.
I was shocked when Wolf covered Jiokuy's turn that he made no effort to actually prolong Jioukuy's life in the proceedings.
That was when they were being way too celebratory doing well, and I was saying that things might not go so well when I was active.QuoteDon't get too cocky, things might change when I enter the fray.Trollololololol
Yeah, the thing is, scum knew a kill was going to come for Deathsword/Persus and they had loads of time to do something about it, but they didn't. Similarly. no effort was made to save Jiokuy. Further, Wolf could well afford Kill-Immune by the end... really they were very lax with their livelihood. I get Wolf was going for the hyper-bussing too-townie-to-be-scum route, but that didn't really work out in the end.Eh. I had everything lined up, it just fell apart when I got sniped out of nowhere by TolyK. That's the thing: I couldn't very well buy immune to kills without tipping off the town that something was wrong. I had to play out in the open, otherwise I'd get taken down.
I had backup plans in case I was put higher up the chopping queue, but bussing both your teammates ruthlessly seems to be a rather effective strategy.Does it? I think exactly the opposite is true in this gametype - the best backup is to have another person ready to pick up the slack/protect you. Otherwise unless you've convinced every single person that you're the single most townie player in the game and no townie realizes the trick you're using you'll lose.
Surely "tipping off the town that something was wrong" is better than "literally lose the game right now", though.I don't think TolyK really did, though. He just had the suspicion something was off, shared it with nobody (I think) and hit me out of nowhere. One of my scumbuddies was useless and going to die anyway and the other was on the chopping block.I had backup plans in case I was put higher up the chopping queue, but bussing both your teammates ruthlessly seems to be a rather effective strategy.Does it? I think exactly the opposite is true in this gametype - the best backup is to have another person ready to pick up the slack/protect you. Otherwise unless you've convinced every single person that you're the single most townie player in the game and no townie realizes the trick you're using you'll lose.
holy crap triple kill and scum killed themself? Flabort just kill two town in a role then.... randomise? or flaort just gone trigger heappy and try to achieve the win con by killing everyone but himself?LOL Yes, I considered it.
3 - Save Point (When you buy Save Point, all your powers, autos and flaws are recorded. At any point you can use Save Point to return your build to it's saved state (minus Save Point). Save Point can't be stolen, swapped, changeling etc.)If you read it literally Save Point could easily give you infinite XP (buy a bunch of stuff worth 8 or more XP and Save Point, sell your shit, Save Point back the stuff you sold, buy Save Point again, repeat). I imagine it's supposed to reset XP as well.
:DI was pretty disappointed nobody mask swapped in the whole game; there was a lot scum could have done to be cannier.I probably would have if I was mafia. It seemed like the only way to counter the super-vig Flabort.
Also I retract my statement, good shot TolyK.
I basically got hit from left field at the last minute, right before I was about to win. TolyK was the ONLY person left who could have stopped me, and stop me he did. Also, well played, sir.Har har. :D Good game!
I was convinced until Toaster was town. You might have noticed that I said Flabort was the only confirmed town, several times.Surely "tipping off the town that something was wrong" is better than "literally lose the game right now", though.I don't think TolyK really did, though. He just had the suspicion something was off, shared it with nobody (I think) and hit me out of nowhere. One of my scumbuddies was useless and going to die anyway and the other was on the chopping block.I had backup plans in case I was put higher up the chopping queue, but bussing both your teammates ruthlessly seems to be a rather effective strategy.Does it? I think exactly the opposite is true in this gametype - the best backup is to have another person ready to pick up the slack/protect you. Otherwise unless you've convinced every single person that you're the single most townie player in the game and no townie realizes the trick you're using you'll lose.
And no, it really wasn't, not at that point in the game. I would have had way too many townies against me to actually win at that point, and my point total wouldn't have supported being able to win from there. I had to play the game stealthily, and frankly I didn't see the hit coming. Had I felt at all endangered, I would have put up defenses, but I got a little bit too comfortable in my position.
To be quite honest, though, had TolyK not hit me the scum would almost certainly have one.
And TolyK wins the MVP town player, for eliminating the extremely crafty scum who fooled everyone else.Yay!
Also, 4maskwolf, you seem to enjoy CYOM much more than any other Mafia games.
This game was so townsided you wouldn't believeScum didn't kill anybody!
well scum did kill them self once.....This game was so townsided you wouldn't believeScum didn't kill anybody!
(Flaw) Insidious (-1): You gain 1 extra XP at the start of each day, but cannot spend XP on buying powers, autos, or modifiers.
Also, you know what I think this game needs?
Third Parties.
I considered having 2 scum teams of two-players each for this game. Rival scum teams would have the benefit of not resting on just one player's scum-team-build, increasing the likelihood of a competent scum team.
(25) Alignment Swap: Pick two targets. Their alignments get reversed. If one had access to a scum chat, they retain access to this scum chat.
Kill immune should probably be protection, but the current wording suggests otherwise. (Also, kill immune is a bit over powered as it is.)
Actually, scan-seep is a nice combo except that people sell and buy immediately. If there was a power that activated upon selling and before buying, you could stop public XP-farmers.I think that only allowing one session of selling and buying per day would help limit the power of xp farming builds, as they wouldn't be able to, late game, constantly switch powers around and gain abuse the poor game mechanics.
I switched around powers 5 times or so before finally deciding to shoot you, so yeah, that would be a good balance. Or, count additional buy/sell as an action in itself.I like this suggestion. Have you be able to take one free buy/sell action, but any more count as actual actions per the usual mechanics.
A lot of good material here, I especially think Blocked (with a random player) is a reasonable -1 flaw. I'm wary of including thing like Bandwagoner that unduly add extra layers of things I have to check (if I could automate some of this stuff with a spreadsheet or something that'd be great).Yeah, I was thinking that might be hard on the moderator. Also, the player would know who they couldn't target, correct?
I'll have a think about Flaborts late-game suggestions. Extramurderous would seem like a nice way to undermine super-vigs being automatically seen as town, but I wanted to move away from having specific scum-or-town only powers.IMO a better solution would be to limit all townies to one kill per night. That way the "one kill for scum" rule could eliminate team possibilities but not outright clear people.
That's a nice tactic, though it's very vulnerable to power stealing tactics, and canny town players could attempt to nip it in the bud by all buying Super Saint.I like Toony's idea, I'd refine it in two ways.
The current problem I see is actually in the power of power-swap builds. Perhaps make power swap swap a random power you own with a random power they do, or increase it's price, because, as Toaster proved, it was an effective way to farm points.That wouldn't do all that much under the current rules, with Flexible you could convert all your points into Inflates to make it highly likely that one of those would be swapped. I think the best change would be to make it so you can only swap powers that cost 2 or maybe 3 points, so there's a chance of you losing points when you using it.
I'll have a think about Flaborts late-game suggestions. Extramurderous would seem like a nice way to undermine super-vigs being automatically seen as town, but I wanted to move away from having specific scum-or-town only powers.It was also designed with a free free- for the purpose of not being scum-only.
Yeah, Insidious is making the cut (it'd be a good way of funding a mercenary build). Relatedly, I'm beefing up Mercenary to a -2, because right now nobody is tempted to take it normally.Whoohoo! I am so making a merc build next game. Quite possible free-auto-swap powered.
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Auto-Swap is being included:
2 - Auto Swap (swap any auto you have with a random auto your target has.)
This is the Kill-Immune replacement I'm considering:
5 - Kill Resistant - (you ignore one kill per cycle)
Also, NQT, I think one-shot should be changed so that it reads: free powers instead lose their free upgrade. It allows you to have technically two-shot powers.Do it!
I like your idea of One-shot scrapping 'free' to allow two-shot powers.Yay!
In general, I want to give people more power to disrupt xp-farming, so I'd appreciate any suggestions on that front.
I don't see why we need Extramurderous at all really.Nor do I, honestly.
Is access to deadchat something that needs to be denied?I don't see why we need Extramurderous at all really.Nor do I, honestly.
I'm considering the suggestion that no player can kill more than once in a day— that would move the game in the direction I want it to, lessening the difference between scum and town.I don't think this is really a positive thing, scum should have to play differently to town or else all the powers become kindof meaningless (scum could just play exactly like townies). The first game avoided this through Infallible Alignment Cop, Miller and Super-Convert, which made the game completely insane but it at least meant the scum had to be pro-active.
3 – Chat (Set up a private chat between any two other targets)I think this is far too expensive to ever be used at 3. Maybe at 1 it has some uses when you get a confirmed townie.
3 - Patsy: pick a new colour for a mask; that mask is now seen in-play (players always know how many masks are in-play and what colour they are). Like any mask, it can be a valid target for any power.I don't really see the point of Patsy, or why it's so expensive. Players will know it's a patsy because of the way the colour has re-appeared.
3 - Return (Name a power you think the target has. This is sold off at its usual price for that person.)Why would you ever use this instead of Recycle?
5 - Blackmail (The target's vote counts for 0 votes until after the next lynch.This should be cheaper, due to Votesteal also existing at 5 points. I guess this one is supposed to be "quieter"?
-2 - Guilty Conscience (You die if your vote is on a town player and they get mislynched. Kill resistant does not save against this, but Resurrection still triggers.)[/spoiler]This is strictly less severe than Unable to Vote, which is already a popular flaw.
I don't think this is really a positive thing, scum should have to play differently to town or else all the powers become kindof meaningless (scum could just play exactly like townies).You make a reasonable point, but as we saw with this game, blending in with town isn't necessarily the best strategy.
I'll try it at 2, and then Self-Chat will only cost 3.3 – Chat (Set up a private chat between any two other targets)I think this is far too expensive to ever be used at 3. Maybe at 1 it has some uses when you get a confirmed townie.
I don't really see the point of Patsy, or why it's so expensive. Players will know it's a patsy because of the way the colour has re-appeared.It sets things up for mask swapping, and town can even mask swap with a patsy or redirect harmful things on to them without worrying about hitting a member of the town. Also, players won't know who's a patsy if they're created before masks are revealed at the beginning of the game. I'll consider making it a bit cheaper.
I scrapped recycle, it just managed to sneak back into my local list.3 - Return (Name a power you think the target has. This is sold off at its usual price for that person.)Why would you ever use this instead of Recycle?
Yeah I'll make it 1 cheaper, also Vote Steal permanently takes 1 vote from a player, this temporarily takes all their votes (as a counter to vote stealers).5 - Blackmail (The target's vote counts for 0 votes until after the next lynch.This should be cheaper, due to Votesteal also existing at 5 points. I guess this one is supposed to be "quieter"?
I'll make it mutually exclusive with unable to vote, but Unable To Vote has no chance of killing you if you make a bad choice so I'm not sure it's less severe.-2 - Guilty Conscience (You die if your vote is on a town player and they get mislynched. Kill resistant does not save against this, but Resurrection still triggers.)[/spoiler]This is strictly less severe than Unable to Vote, which is already a popular flaw.
I would suggest making it -1, and also making it and Unable to Vote mutually exclusive.
Here's my two cents:Yeah, that wasn't intentionally slipped back in.
Get rid of recycle. Recycle-sapping is still a broken combo.
Chat should probably cost two points.Agreed.
Readd alignment cop (not infallible, just normal) and innocent. Do not add miller. This way, the scum have to be vulnerable to one of two power types: either they can be detected by alignment cop, or they spend a point to become immune to that but can be rooted out by rolecops. This game, the scum were only found through poor power choices and an educated guess at the last minute.Yeah, but I liked that town had to work harder: it's already too pro-town..
I think that making convert a 7-cost one-shot power could be interesting, if it counted towards the group scumkill limit. However, this is still probably not the best idea, since then over the course of turns a clever scumteam could chain together their converts to convert the whole town, so probably best to leave convert out.I'm still tempted to re-include conversions.
Yeah, but I liked that town had to work harder: it's already too pro-town..The game is extremely pro-town, which is why I suggested adding third-parties to the game. This way, there are people with other wincons to fulfill causing confusion, and confusion almost always benefits the scumteam. The setup is actually uniquely conducive to this: there are many possible ways to achieve a given wincon.
I like the idea behind Tempt, but I could see it being a useless expensive power when scum are losing, because no one wants to join a team that's losing.This. Conversions in general are a bad idea in my opinion, since it allows the scumteam to rapidly grow in size and strength. The only reason town won the first CYOM was because of fortune teller being broken, a well-placed roleblock, and a poor scum setup that had no backup plan.
New powers include Super-Curse (give a player a specific flaw)
Hypnotism (Target mask uses one of their powers, randomly selected, on a target of your choice).
7 - Recall (name a power: all players holding a power have to sell it back to the store. Players with Flexible still get full XP back. Doesn't effect innate powers.)
7 - Grand Swap (All masks are permanently redistributed to different players.)
Vote Steal permanently takes 1 vote from a player
mixed blessings should probably be clarified to "an equal point value of flaws" if that's what it means. Also, since santa costs only four, three seems a little too expensive for a power with a net gain of zero.Yeah, you're right: I'll make it one cheaper and clarify the wording.
Can you clarify what raise dead does?Players will see this message:
A player can't ever recieve the same flaw more than once. Hmm, I can either make it more expensive or I could instead have a cheaper Infect power that copies one of your flaws onto a player as another fun option for scum to try to get round the kill limit. Both are proposed in the latest list below.New powers include Super-Curse (give a player a specific flaw)Combined with Nonvoter, this is probably overpowered. That and Lover. (Free-Supercurse, make everyone lovers, huge death chain, many lols are had. This would make a hilarious SK build, actually. Can you get hit with Lover more than once?)
No, but it does count towards a scum's kill count. So scum could hypnotise town into making extra kills, but they couldn't get more kills hypnotising each other.Hypnotism (Target mask uses one of their powers, randomly selected, on a target of your choice).Does it count as the player's action for the day?
Can you hypnotised a Raised Dead played?Yeah, that's why scum might raise a dead player with a kill rather than take the kill.
Yeah, I think I'll recall Recall. I want more Mask jiggery-pokery, can you suggest an alternative to Grand Swap? (Or I could just make it mega-expensive.)7 - Recall (name a power: all players holding a power have to sell it back to the store. Players with Flexible still get full XP back. Doesn't effect innate powers.)Not partial to these two. D1 recall kill, laugh at scumteam. Third Parties will love Grand Swap.
7 - Grand Swap (All masks are permanently redistributed to different players.)
I don't see a nerf for Graverob in there, which it probably needs (4 point cost). I agree that Chat is overcosted; experiments with Scroll of Mail in Roguelike shows that people rarely use such abilities.Yep, I think that was just another version mis-match: Grave-rob is nerfed a little in the latest version below.
... yeah, you're right. Luckily it never came up, because the original wording was ambiguous on that point.Vote Steal permanently takes 1 vote from a playerThis is overpowered. It should be just for the phase.
I scrapped recycle, it just managed to sneak back into my local list.Was the removal of autoblock intentional then? I quite like it as a way to prevent town breaking strategies.
I'll make it mutually exclusive with unable to vote, but Unable To Vote has no chance of killing you if you make a bad choice so I'm not sure it's less severe.Guilty Conscience also has no chance of killing you if you don't vote (which is the same restriction you'd have under UtV), but you can also vote safely if an obvious mafia member comes up.
I'm still tempted to re-include conversions.How about if scum could convert only one player in the course of the game or something? That means scum would still have a way to cast doubt on confirmed townies without allowing super-cults.
7 - Tempt (Target is sent an offer: they can join the scum team or they can choose not to. The target can send a single message with this action attempt. This power can never be self targeted.)It's an interesting idea, but I think it has a severe flaw. The player is likely to accept if the mafia is doing well (so super-cults could rapidly take over the town) but refuse if the mafia is doing badly (so it doesn't help much in stopping town breaking strategies).
Combined with Nonvoter, this is probably overpowered. That and Lover. (Free-Supercurse, make everyone lovers, huge death chain, many lols are had. This would make a hilarious SK build, actually. Can you get hit with Lover more than once?)For only one point more you can take away their vote and gain yourself one, and for two points more you can outright kill them. Note also that your victim can buy off flaws. Super-Curse doesn't seem too unreasonable to me.
4 - Infect (Copy one of your flaws onto the target player.)Why take this over super-curse? I think super-curse is probably ok as it is, though.
5 - Nerf (Pick a power. That power now costs 1 point to use each time. A power may only be Nerfed once.)I don't really like this, it's probably a bit weak as it is an even if it weren't it would likely be used pretty brainlessly (there are some obviously mafia-orientated powers that town would always want to hit).
-1 Insidious (You gain 1 extra XP at the start of each day, but cannot spend XP on buying powers, autos, or modifiers.)I think this might be overpowered. By day two it will have paid for its own removal (while giving you an advance on your night 1 XP point) and not buying any powers on day one isn't that much of a cost.
Yeah, that was unintentional. Good spot.I scrapped recycle, it just managed to sneak back into my local list.Was the removal of autoblock intentional then? I quite like it as a way to prevent town breaking strategies.
I see where you're coming from. How about this as an alternative:I'll make it mutually exclusive with unable to vote, but Unable To Vote has no chance of killing you if you make a bad choice so I'm not sure it's less severe.Guilty Conscience also has no chance of killing you if you don't vote (which is the same restriction you'd have under UtV), but you can also vote safely if an obvious mafia member comes up.
Yeah I think I like that as a compromise. If I go with that I'd also allow scum to kill on the same day they convert, so lack of a kill wouldn't necessarily be an indicator.I'm still tempted to re-include conversions.How about if scum could convert only one player in the course of the game or something? That means scum would still have a way to cast doubt on confirmed townies without allowing super-cults.
Hmm, yeah I think you might be right. I'll see if there's any other thoughts on this.7 - Tempt (Target is sent an offer: they can join the scum team or they can choose not to. The target can send a single message with this action attempt. This power can never be self targeted.)It's an interesting idea, but I think it has a severe flaw. The player is likely to accept if the mafia is doing well (so super-cults could rapidly take over the town) but refuse if the mafia is doing badly (so it doesn't help much in stopping town breaking strategies).
As a cheaper alternative? Maybe I should make it even cheaper.4 - Infect (Copy one of your flaws onto the target player.)Why take this over super-curse? I think super-curse is probably ok as it is, though.
Any other suggestions for similar alternative? Giving players more broad countering powers seems like a good idea.5 - Nerf (Pick a power. That power now costs 1 point to use each time. A power may only be Nerfed once.)I don't really like this, it's probably a bit weak as it is an even if it weren't it would likely be used pretty brainlessly (there are some obviously mafia-orientated powers that town would always want to hit).
Yeah, you might be right. I'll have a ponder.-1 Insidious (You gain 1 extra XP at the start of each day, but cannot spend XP on buying powers, autos, or modifiers.)I think this might be overpowered. By day two it will have paid for its own removal (while giving you an advance on your night 1 XP point) and not buying any powers on day one isn't that much of a cost.
-1 Mandatory Voter (player dies if the day ends and they're not voting anyone.)No you.