What about waitlisted people?Waitlisted people get first dibs, so signups won't be filled until they've all responded.
Eyjafjallajökull will be able to sign up only tommorow
In as IC. I can also scum IC instead if we eventually need someone there, but I'm better at town ICing.
In as IC. I can also scum IC instead if we eventually need someone there, but I'm better at town ICing.
Well, not necessarily Town IC- y'might end up as scum anyway :P
I'd like to scum IC, but only if nobody else wanted to take the spot.
I'll bow out of scum IC so Flabort can take it.Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize...
I'll watch this one.*eyebrow raise*
Better yet, sign me up as a replacement.
You're gonna be playing Mafia again, 4mask?I'm going to be helping newbies learn mafia.
Um, I probably should play another newbie game, so in. Unless other people want in, I'm fine as a replacement...I'd In as an IC replacement (if any) if Kal is playing :D
I'm beginning to think that oobles is uninterested, because he just made a face at me.:D
I can't speak for him, though, so he may just be annoyed that I was talking to him about something other than Smash Bros. at the moment. Because he's waiting for me to play with him.
Everyone: Hey, glad to be playing with you all.My experience with mafia was one game, FHPBYOR, in which I lost.
On to the question: What's your experience with mafia?
My experience with Mafia consists of a few face-to-face sessions. I seem to be naturally cursed when it comes to lying, and I often (nearly) gave myself away simply by not being silent during killtime.Kilojoule Proton, you do realize that we don't even have anything to scumhunt with yet. This is, or so I think, the Random Voting Stage, where people randomly vote.
And now, I think this is an OMGUS FOS accusation (assuming I managed to retain the guide stuff over the course of a waiting week):
Vote Scripten, because only scum would make random accusations like that.
Everyone: What are your expectations for the match?I'm unfamiliar with this abbreviation, unless you're actually meaning to say 6 (which still doesn't make sense), so could you please clarify this?
Methinks that the match will have at least one VI, (probably me).
It means village idiot, essentially a newbie who acts scummier than the scum and wastes a day due to his incompetence.Everyone: What are your expectations for the match?I'm unfamiliar with this abbreviation, unless you're actually meaning to say 6 (which still doesn't make sense), so could you please clarify this?
Methinks that the match will have at least one VI, (probably me).
Huh, interesting. Kilojoule Proton (Do you mind KP?) is actually pinging my scum radar pretty solidly with those posts.
Everyone: what are your expectations for the match?
Everyone: Hey, glad to be playing with you all.
On to the question: What's your experience with mafia?
Kilojoule:Vote Scripten, because only scum would make random accusations like that.
Why didn't you vote?
Scripten:Huh, interesting. Kilojoule Proton (Do you mind KP?) is actually pinging my scum radar pretty solidly with those posts.
What is it exactly that makes him scummy? Similarly, what scumtell do you think is most important?
Illgeo: What's the best way to scumhunt, in your opinion?
Salsacookies: It's MyLo (you + 3 others). One is scum, but you don't know who, and one person has claimed cop. No one seems very scummy. What do you do?
GayArchaea: If you were the jailor, would you prioritize jailing to protect or jailing to block?
Eyjafjallajökull: Can I call you Eyja? Also, if you were a rolecop, would you check the person that everyone finds scummy or the less scummy person that fewer people suspect?
Responses:Everyone: what are your expectations for the match?
New people panic (regardless of alignment), one of the experienced people (maybe me, yet again) dies tonight, and then it goes downhill from there. If we're lucky, we lynch at least one of the scum by day 3; otherwise, we're at LyLo.Everyone: Hey, glad to be playing with you all.
On to the question: What's your experience with mafia?
I've been playing for about 10 months so far, in which time I've played 10-25 games (I lost count). I was scum for my first 3-5 games, and then I've been town ever since (except for that one school and meteor one and then the most recent BYOR).
PPE: 4 posts were written while I was writing this; I'll read and respond to them later after I read over them.
(Yeah, KP along with Kilojoule, KJ, or Kilo are probably all sufficiently unique and identifiable.)KP, this leads me to believe you have a power role at best, so you're now a target of the dreadful mafia. A slip of the tongue perhaps, but do not reveal what possible information you have. The reveal, if it is as I suspect, would only be making a clear target for scum.
I defend myself with the argument that the role I play is essential for the town*.To lynch me would be to deplete you collectively of a necessary part of defending against scum. At the moment, I will not shift my vote, as it is said that the dice do not lie.
* Although the same could be said of an average townsperson at a LYLO (?)
GayArchaea: If you were the jailor, would you prioritize jailing to protect or jailing to block?I would prioritize jailing to protect whoever I think may be town, because it would lower the chance of the mafia killing a townie during the night.
I understand, thanks.I would've unvoted here, but please answer the question TheDarkStar gave to you. It is considered scummy to ignore questions targeted towards you, unless you had already answered the exact same question in the thread.
What is it exactly that makes him scummy? Similarly, what scumtell do you think is most important?
Kilojoule:To be honest, I had no idea about the distinction between scumhunting and D1 lynches.Vote Scripten, because only scum would make random accusations like that.
Why didn't you vote?
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Everyone: What's your experience with mafia?One game: BM 48 as Scum.
Everyone: what are your expectations for the match?Because both scum and townies are equally newbies, I think it's hard to predict anything at this point.
Illgeo: What's the best way to scumhunt, in your opinion?Pay close atention to everyone and look for scumtells.
GayArchaea For me being scum, cold and calculating, watch the dominos fall from panic and anxiety. How about you, and were you expecting me to confess something? Yes, I did it, I ate the last sweetroll. Also, if it's anything like Psycho Murderers, the big guy with a oil barrel will light himself on fire and literally break the game.personally I'd be somewhat reckless in order to try to blend in better. I also wasn't trying for a confession, The questions here might help us later on.
I think I will switch my vote to Eyjafjallajökull. I justify this with the fact that as a (relatively) inactive player, the game would run just as smoothly anyway, although my (flawed, newbie) intuition tells me that it will be more useful to lynch an active player, who will be more likely to even perform nightkills. Hopefully, this does not approach the WIFOM cycle. Of course (and this is the near-WIFOM part), it could be that inactive players are the best to keep because statistically, they are more likely to be town at this point, and I imagine that in final stages of the game, one townsperson could mean the difference between a town victory and a scum victory. Or, of course, Eyjafjallajökull could be a silent mafioso and catch (at least) me off guard until the end. But then, Eyjafjallajökull could just as easily be town....It is far better to lynch active players because we'll then know whether their questions came from a town mind or a scum mind.
Well then, Worldmaster27: Assuming you're a mafia goon, and there are five townies left, who would you kill in the night: the one you suspect to be the cop, the one you suspect to be the jailkeeper, the one who is rather suspicious of you, the one who somehow managed to not get lynched, or the one who (foolishly) believes you're town?It would depend on the possicop and possijailor's attitude towards me. If possicop is even somewhat suspicious of me, than I'd kill him. He has the greatest ability to end my game quickly. If possijailor is suspicious of me and jails me, than NK are no longer relevant. That's where the day game becomes infinitely more important for me, then because I am, effectively, just a vanilla townie with evil intentions. However, both the cop and jailor are not really suspicious of me, and either eliminate one of the moderate proponent's of the near-lynch guy's lynch or the cop just because he's maybe cop and try to pin it on near-lynch guy.
GayArchaea:Well then, Worldmaster27: Assuming you're a mafia goon, and there are five townies left, who would you kill in the night: the one you suspect to be the cop, the one you suspect to be the jailkeeper, the one who is rather suspicious of you, the one who somehow managed to not get lynched, or the one who (foolishly) believes you're town?It would depend on the possicop and possijailor's attitude towards me. If possicop is even somewhat suspicious of me, than I'd kill him. He has the greatest ability to end my game quickly. If possijailor is suspicious of me and jails me, than NK are no longer relevant. That's where the day game becomes infinitely more important for me, then because I am, effectively, just a vanilla townie with evil intentions. However, both the cop and jailor are not really suspicious of me, and either eliminate one of the moderate proponent's of the near-lynch guy's lynch or the cop just because he's maybe cop and try to pin it on near-lynch guy.
Also GayArchaea, to me at least, that first statement seems a tad scummy. You're saying to lynch the active players first, but an inactive town is a dead town, and I think it is better to get a lurker than someone who is actively participating. If you get rid of those who are scumhunting, it's far easier for scum to avoid having to post anything since no one's going to be asking questions and pressuring them.
GayArchaea:Alas, Worldmaster27, the reason why I say so is because while the players who are still alive can not be completely trusted in their accusations, players who are dead, should they roleflip as town, can have their previous statements be fully trusted due to their lack of an agenda. I do admit that there is the possibility of scum lurking, so we should in fact pressure lurkers, we do need increase the number of active people after all. This is not to say that we should lynch those we believe to be town, that would be incredibly self-damaging. This is mostly to say that we should lynch an active player we suspect to be scum. still, lurking while questions are being thrown at you is a scummy move.Well then, Worldmaster27: Assuming you're a mafia goon, and there are five townies left, who would you kill in the night: the one you suspect to be the cop, the one you suspect to be the jailkeeper, the one who is rather suspicious of you, the one who somehow managed to not get lynched, or the one who (foolishly) believes you're town?It would depend on the possicop and possijailor's attitude towards me. If possicop is even somewhat suspicious of me, than I'd kill him. He has the greatest ability to end my game quickly. If possijailor is suspicious of me and jails me, than NK are no longer relevant. That's where the day game becomes infinitely more important for me, then because I am, effectively, just a vanilla townie with evil intentions. However, both the cop and jailor are not really suspicious of me, and either eliminate one of the moderate proponent's of the near-lynch guy's lynch or the cop just because he's maybe cop and try to pin it on near-lynch guy.
Also GayArchaea, to me at least, that first statement seems a tad scummy. You're saying to lynch the active players first, but an inactive town is a dead town, and I think it is better to get a lurker than someone who is actively participating. If you get rid of those who are scumhunting, it's far easier for scum to avoid having to post anything since no one's going to be asking questions and pressuring them.
Illgeo: Do you plan to be more active in this game than BM48? How do you think to best go about doing this?Well, at least I will try to be.
TheDarkStar If there is any trouble of telling whose who, cop is scum, because only scum would say he's not, unless he doesn't say anything, to make you think he's nothing, but on the right foot, there's the possibility of....
4mask + TDS: Any IC advice to give at the moment?
I think I will switch my vote to Eyjafjallajökull. I justify this with the fact that as a (relatively) inactive player, the game would run just as smoothly anyway, although my (flawed, newbie) intuition tells me that it will be more useful to lynch an active player, who will be more likely to even perform nightkills. Hopefully, this does not approach the WIFOM cycle. Of course (and this is the near-WIFOM part), it could be that inactive players are the best to keep because statistically, they are more likely to be town at this point, and I imagine that in final stages of the game, one townsperson could mean the difference between a town victory and a scum victory. Or, of course, Eyjafjallajökull could be a silent mafioso and catch (at least) me off guard until the end. But then, Eyjafjallajökull could just as easily be town....
So are we approaching anything resembling a consensus? It seems it would have been much faster were everyone active.
So are we approaching anything resembling a consensus? It seems it would have been much faster were everyone active.[unofficial IC]
Worldmaster: Why your altitude is so pessimistic?Could you please elaborate? I don't really see how my posts are pessimistic - suspicious of others, sure, but not pessimistic.
Though it doesn't completely apply to this, as we aren't talking about no-lynches, it still has some points that show lynching town is not the worse case scenario.Spoiler: On D1 No-lynches (click to show/hide)
Vote extend.
Dark Star
"Eyjafjallajökull: Can I call you Eyja? Also, if you were a rolecop, would you check the person that everyone finds scummy or the less scummy person that fewer people suspect?"
Eyja's good. So is a rolecop mafia or town? I'm playing the first time, so I may ask pretty stupid questions... (but nevertheless don't kill me for that!)
If rolecop is mafia - then I don't quite get the question, but if rolecop is town - then maybe I would check the less scummy one.
Everyone
I'm gonna post not very often, but please don't kill me for thaat,... I will post though! I wanna play :'( Shit, even this sounds strange XD well... yes I'll join the discussion tomorrow, pardon :)
to the contrary, it is the most important day. Pay attention to what people say and how they act, because these things should be important evidence or a basis for a case later on
Worldmaster27: I would probably go with accusing others too quickly with wild abandon. Would seem too blatent to me, but that may be what a troll wants you to think.
Random vote
GayArchaea
He killed Capitalism, lynch him!
Unvote Eyjafjallajökull for a show of good faith, vote Salsacookies because the dice made me do it.
@Salsacookies: If I said you were a town cop, what would you say?Not mine, but if you accused him of being town cop I'd say you were rolefishing.
Scripten: What oportunistic behavior or evasiveness have you found in KJ's post? If anything, he seems to give more information than needed
KP, this leads me to believe you have a power role at best, so you're now a target of the dreadful mafia. A slip of the tongue perhaps, but do not reveal what possible information you have. The reveal, if it is as I suspect, would only be making a clear target for scum.
- Salsacookies: Nah, I just flip-flopped on this one. It would hurt my credit rating if I voted [you] again.
- Scripten: While I would give [you] another scornvote, it really is not good for my public image.
- TheDarkStar: I instinctively want not to vote for any IC, but [you] do have an exception for the Dead Men Tell No Tales rule for guiding newbies.
...I would probably maintain my Worldmaster27 vote. It is a bit difficult to tell who may be scum or town when most people are not even telling anything, and I recognize that I am poor at determining ulterior motive not just because of the text-based medium but also because of a natural lack of skill, so for the information I have available, displaying incongruous amounts of knowledge is the best indicator. What of you?
KP: There's a variant of Mafia called Kingmaker. In it, only one player per day is allowed to vote, and when they do, the target is immediately executed. Say you were King today and deadline was approaching. Who would you execute under those circumstances? (Assume you're town.)
The reason why I voted for him was mostly so that he would pay attention to the rather bad tactical blunder he made. The mafia could in fact have made him a target. Still I had no other pressure points to bring up so I may have been somewhat reckless in my votes. There is the chance that the information he implied to have was a ploy by the mafia. One should not be too sure about who is town with few posts being made.KP, this leads me to believe you have a power role at best, so you're now a target of the dreadful mafia. A slip of the tongue perhaps, but do not reveal what possible information you have. The reveal, if it is as I suspect, would only be making a clear target for scum.
Surprised I missed this. I really dislike this post. GayArchaea, if you thought that KP was potentially a power role and had made himself a target for scum, why are you voting him? Additionally, why was a simple "Affirmative" answer all you needed to unvote?
At this stage, I think it would be best to lynch someone who is
- Worldmaster27: [You] seem to be unexpectedly aware of things. Do you think it is better to lynch inactives or actives?
It's weird that you dislike both me not using pressure vote and GayArchaea using pressure vote.Scripten: What oportunistic behavior or evasiveness have you found in KJ's post? If anything, he seems to give more information than needed
He's not made any effort to scumhunt, instead focusing on making timid pushes with no real weight to them. What's with the FoS? Why not just vote me?KP, this leads me to believe you have a power role at best, so you're now a target of the dreadful mafia. A slip of the tongue perhaps, but do not reveal what possible information you have. The reveal, if it is as I suspect, would only be making a clear target for scum.
Surprised I missed this. I really dislike this post. GayArchaea, if you thought that KP was potentially a power role and had made himself a target for scum, why are you voting him? Additionally, why was a simple "Affirmative" answer all you needed to unvote?
It's weird that you dislike both me not using pressure vote and GayArchaea using pressure vote.
KP:You just seem to know more about the details than a beginner would, which sounds weird because I am a beginner to PBP Mafia (too?). That, of course, makes you a bit suspicious.At this stage, I think it would be best to lynch someone who is
- Worldmaster27: [You] seem to be unexpectedly aware of things. Do you think it is better to lynch inactives or actives?
inactivenot contributing to the scumhunt. Be it lurking or active lurking, they are not helping us. However, if someone who is active appears quite scummy it would be best to target them.
Could you elaborate on how I seem to be "unexpectedly aware of things"? I'm taking this as you thinking I have knowledge that would otherwise be unavailable to town and thus the reason why you are voting for me.
Gonna unvote. Just had a very jolly mood that day, and I tend to be silly and stupid those days, because I think it's funYes, because it should be saguaro and it causes my spelling sense to bristle. :P
Kilojoule Proton If you were a cop, I'd say i'm a saguero cactus. Would that put you in a prickly mood?
Scripten, what makes you so eager to lynch a clueless random townsperson?
Because he is attempting to cause a lynch?
KP: Can you explain why you think that lynching someone who is contributing would help town? I'd also like to hear why you listed that it would be in your best interests to kill someone who was a "non-idiot."
4maskwolf, if you were town, who would you lynch d1 if you were stuck between two options: the player who makes few posts, or the player who makes many worthless posts?Kilojoule Proton: The reason why Scripten voted for you can be found in the following post:
As for the following quote:Scripten: What oportunistic behavior or evasiveness have you found in KJ's post? If anything, he seems to give more information than needed
He's not made any effort to scumhunt, instead focusing on making timid pushes with no real weight to them. What's with the FoS? Why not just vote me?
A non-idiot is a non-trivial threat whichever side said non-idiot is on. Actually, I guess I am starting to contradict stuff from earlier, although a bunch of the answers really depended on mood more than proper logic. Of course, it would be nice to fix all the idiots (or lynch them, as you seem to want), but based only on what I know, they are just as likely to be x (where x is either town or scum).An idiot however is quite useful for scum; A scrapegoat to deviate attention from themselves. yet as you say, an idiot could also be scum. still there is some information to be gained from the idiot's death: namely what their alignment is. That is still not all, there is the some useful analysis to be gained from the lynch. such as scum distancing themselves from the lynch, scum being in the middle of the bandwagon, town knowing that the idiot really was an idiot.
GayArchaea: Why are you voting 4maskwolf instead of KP? I am finding it telling that you aren't really trying to figure out who scum is, just trying to push a lynch on someone convenient.It is mostly because of 4maskwolf's lack of a response to my question despite him being recently active on the forums, such as posting on the not-so-beginner's mafia that he'll be watching the match.
(Btw, you only have to vote for someone once to have it count.)
Is it typically possible for town to side with scum at least temporarily?
Bluh. Request Replacement IC, I'm swamped with stuff right now. Sorry.
Is it typically possible for town to side with scum at least temporarily?To be honest; why do you ask that question? After all, Town wants to lynch scum.
Scripten: Quite accusatory, but I have not attempted to empathize/imagine being subject's other lynch targets. Suspicion: 4/5, Clarity 3/5
Because he is attempting to cause a lynch?
Is it typically possible for town to side with scum at least temporarily?
The reason why I voted for him was mostly so that he would pay attention to the rather bad tactical blunder he made. The mafia could in fact have made him a target. Still I had no other pressure points to bring up so I may have been somewhat reckless in my votes. There is the chance that the information he implied to have was a ploy by the mafia. One should not be too sure about who is town with few posts being made.KP, this leads me to believe you have a power role at best, so you're now a target of the dreadful mafia. A slip of the tongue perhaps, but do not reveal what possible information you have. The reveal, if it is as I suspect, would only be making a clear target for scum.
Surprised I missed this. I really dislike this post. GayArchaea, if you thought that KP was potentially a power role and had made himself a target for scum, why are you voting him? Additionally, why was a simple "Affirmative" answer all you needed to unvote?
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Well, hello everyone! I'll read through the game and post something later, but I'm here!
Salsacookies looks the scummiest. He voted GayArchaea, said he would unvote but never did, and then GA got killed in the night.Well, hello everyone! I'll read through the game and post something later, but I'm here!
Hello, Cptn! Questions:
Who do you think is scummy?
What do you think of Eyja's play (if he had any)?
What do you think of KP's lynching and GA's death?
Do you have anything else to note about the game?
Kilojoule Proton If you were a cop, I'd say i'm a saguero cactus. Would that put you in a prickly mood?What is this supposed to mean? Are you saying you are scum here? Could you explain?
Salsacookies: I honestly don't completely get what you're all grasping at. He voted GA, and made a dumb question, but I don't think that he'd leave his vote on GA if he was planning to kill him. However, this may have been a rookie mistake. This could also be mafia trying to frame someone else, but that's edging towards WIFOM territory. I don't like how the majority of his posts were seeming to try and cause confusion via WIFOM and recursive reasoning. He too is lurking, and needs to post more. Heavy scum lean for stated reasons, but I'll give him a chance to defend himself.
Salsacookies: I notice that you voted GA here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144554.msg5728905#msg5728905). Do you find it an interesting coincidence that he died in the night?
WIFOM is a sometimes futile path to go down, but just because something is an alternative explanation, that doesn't mean that it's impossible and shouldn't be considered.
This is a pretty good post. Not particularly alignment-indicative, but it's good stuff. Lurkers are bad on either side.
GayArchaea: Why are you voting 4maskwolf instead of KP? I am finding it telling that you aren't really trying to figure out who scum is, just trying to push a lynch on someone convenient.
(Btw, you only have to vote for someone once to have it count.)
Everyone: Please post your full reads, whenever you're able. These are important, and don't be afraid of having different opinions than the consensus.
Who do you think is scummy?
Kilojoule Proton, why are you advocating the lynch of the person voting you for no other reason than that he is voting for you? Also, there's that townclaim there that really doesn't make you seem like you're town at all.
KP: Can you explain why you think that lynching someone who is contributing would help town? I'd also like to hear why you listed that it would be in your best interests to kill someone who was a "non-idiot."
Salsacookies looks the scummiest. He voted GayArchaea, said he would unvote but never did, and then GA got killed in the night.
Salsacookies: I notice that you voted GA here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144554.msg5728905#msg5728905). Do you find it an interesting coincidence that he died in the night?
Do you have additional reasoning beyond just coincidence?
This is a pretty good post. Not particularly alignment-indicative, but it's good stuff. Lurkers are bad on either side.
I question your use of a compliment in this quote. Why did you feel the need to compliment Worldmaster27?
GayArchaea: Why are you voting 4maskwolf instead of KP? I am finding it telling that you aren't really trying to figure out who scum is, just trying to push a lynch on someone convenient.
(Btw, you only have to vote for someone once to have it count.)
Elaborate here. How is 4maskwolf a more convenient target than Kilojoule Proton considering that at this point KP was already ahead in votes?
Illgeo: You haven't been particularly active. I'm quite ready to vote you since this is almost exactly like the game we played together where you were scum. If you're town, I'd like to see you scumhunting harder. Who's scum?Well, it means my meta is quite monotonic.
The way he voted for a random person who seemed the most town, the randomness of all of his posts, the way he is confusing people by posting uselessness, his lurking for the second half of the first day.Salsacookies looks the scummiest. He voted GayArchaea, said he would unvote but never did, and then GA got killed in the night.Well,
Do you have any reasoning against him beyond coincidence?
If you mean for my vote,
By the way, I realize you didn't address a question to me, Jim, but I'd like to mention that KP's softclaim was obviously true in retrospect. When he made it, though, there's absolutely no way to verify it one way or another. Maybe by LyLo it would have mattered. Not sure if a toothless PR claim would be worth taking that risk.
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Jim: I didn't like his saying that it would be good to lynch active players, and that in the post above the one you quoted I didn't like that he first mentioned that lynching active members would be in his best interests. Putting "and also that of the town" in parentheses made it seem like it was an after thought, and was the thing that tipped my vote. Those were the main reasons, though I had missed his implication that he was a power role. I don't think it would have changed my vote, however.
Jim & Scripten: I find it interesting that you both apparently felt the need to claim in your reads that you were town. I'm of the opinion that someone's actions should speak for them, as far as alignment goes. Would you mind explaining why you did this?
I didn't think that town, even bad town, would openly state that lynching active players is in their best interests and as an aside, the town's. There was the OMGUS on Scripten, and his earlier random votes without any scumhunting involved too, such as when he voted for Salsacookies.Jim: I didn't like his saying that it would be good to lynch active players, and that in the post above the one you quoted I didn't like that he first mentioned that lynching active members would be in his best interests. Putting "and also that of the town" in parentheses made it seem like it was an after thought, and was the thing that tipped my vote. Those were the main reasons, though I had missed his implication that he was a power role. I don't think it would have changed my vote, however.
So what made you think he was scummy instead of just being bad?
Great... welp, there went what I thought was the scumteam. Of course, that kind of makes this easier, since I'm starting fresh. Let's see...
Salsacookies: I notice that you voted GA here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144554.msg5728905#msg5728905). Do you find it an interesting coincidence that he died in the night?
Get to the less scummy of you later.
Salsacookies, quit fucking around. Mafia is serious business. Who do you suspect and why?There actually weren't as many questions posed to you as I thought there were, but I have another for you.
Scripten: How long does it usually take for someone to learn how to Mafia well?
Also, I tried to hard being confusing to not look like scum,
Worldmaster27: What would you consider to be a scum, vs. a simple newb or an active lurker?
Scripten: How long does it usually take for someone to learn how to Mafia well?
Scripten: Yes I do find it coincidental. I meant to unvote him, and by saying I'd unvote him, I though I did.
Jim Groovester: No one so far. I haven't seen anything to peak my alarm so far on guilt.
Worldmaster27: I believe Cptn. to be town, I don't think he'd be replace with a scum guy.
With people voting against me, I feel like I could have done better at not looking so suspicious. I know what I was doing would not work on a regular game, and I'm happy to know what not to do to not be suspected next time.
Who do you think is scummy?
So who do you think is scummy?Kilojoule Proton, why are you advocating the lynch of the person voting you for no other reason than that he is voting for you? Also, there's that townclaim there that really doesn't make you seem like you're town at all.
You voted Kilojoule Proton here. What was your reasoning against him, in total?
Everyone: Please post your full reads, whenever you're able. These are important, and don't be afraid of having different opinions than the consensus.
GayArchaea: Why are you voting 4maskwolf instead of KP? I am finding it telling that you aren't really trying to figure out who scum is, just trying to push a lynch on someone convenient.
(Btw, you only have to vote for someone once to have it count.)
Scripten: Yes I do find it coincidental. I meant to unvote him, and by saying I'd unvote him, I though I did.Well, you need to put unvotes in red, same as a vote.
Also, I tried to hard being confusing to not look like scum, and I was trying to be amusing, because I didn't take it seriously. Next time I play this, I will try to not incriminate myself and act like a clown.This is known as
RIA - Refuge in Audacity, acting really crazy or really scummy to make people think that you couldn't possibly be scum because of how crazy you are. This never works. Neither does sarcasm in general, really. If you want to be sarcastic, make it painfully obvious you are being sarcastic, with <sarcasm>fake sarcasm tags</sarcasm>. Even still, it's not a good idea, because Mafia is SERIOUS BUSINESSThis is the main reason I voted you, that and lurking.
Scripten:GayArchaea: Why are you voting 4maskwolf instead of KP? I am finding it telling that you aren't really trying to figure out who scum is, just trying to push a lynch on someone convenient.
(Btw, you only have to vote for someone once to have it count.)
This is odd. It looks like you were trying to pressure someone into lynching the same person you wanted lynched.
Everyone: I didn't know active lurking was a thing, could you explain it to me?
*too hard
Jim Groovester: No one so far. I haven't seen anything to peak my alarm so far on guilt.
Worldmaster27: I believe Cptn. to be town, I don't think he'd be replace with a scum guy.
Unvote Salsacookies
Vote Illgeo
Unvote Salsacookies
Vote Illgeo
What prompted this?
I understand your reasoning for your vote on Ilgeo but not your reasoning for unvoting Salsacookies.
Unvote Salsacookies
Vote Illgeo
What prompted this?
I understand your reasoning for your vote on Ilgeo but not your reasoning for unvoting Salsacookies.
Got some reads I'd like to get. Also, Illgeo is probably scum, while Salsacookies is possibly scum, but probably just a newb. I'd rather lynch someone the more likely scum.
Btw, TheDarkStar, if you have a scum read on me, why has every vote you've made since RVS sheeped mine?
Unvote Salsacookies
Vote Illgeo
Illgeo knows how to win as scum in a newbie game. He's done it before and he's playing just as placidly as before.
Unvote Salsacookies
Vote Illgeo
What prompted this?
I understand your reasoning for your vote on Ilgeo but not your reasoning for unvoting Salsacookies.
Got some reads I'd like to get. Also, Illgeo is probably scum, which Salsacookies is possibly scum, but probably just a newb. I'd rather lynch someone the more likely scum.
Huh, it looks like I've managed to mirror several of your votes so far. Consider it a compliment that you thought that you thought that the same people were scummy as the IC. I have a question, though: Scripten, what specific things make you suspect Illgeo? Also, why don't you ask him any questions at all?
Can you explain the reasoning behind this? You've said that Illgeo is scum, although most of your reason is that he is active lurking; does this mean that you find active lurking scummier than other scummy play? Why do you think Salsacookies is acting like a newb rather than acting like scum? What makes you think that Illgeo is scummier?
With people voting against me, I feel like I could have done better at not looking so suspicious. I know what I was doing would not work on a regular game, and I'm happy to know what not to do to not be suspected next time.Well, I still think Salsacookies is rather scummy. Why are you so worried about your image?
Scripten:Do you have ANY other scumtells about me except for meta?
Cptn:Do you believe it would be better to lynch Salsa now, as very scummy, or find someone who is scummy but less so and leave Salsa as easy choice for later?I would prefer to attack a less scummy person, but you two seem almost equally scummy in my opinion. No one else is scummy seeming, and so I would rather lynch the one who is contributing less (Salsacookies)
As for vote I don't see anyone as really scummy except for Salsacookie.
I want to see everybody commit to a vote by the time the deadline rolls around. So come on, people, it's time to throw that red down. It should generate more to talk about at least.I wanted to wait closer to end of the day before voting in case I find someone more suspicious.
I wanted to wait closer to end of the day before voting in case I find someone more suspicious.
Illgeo:
If it's tied then, iirc, whoever had the most votes before the die dies?It's no-lynch
And extend.I feel like this was more to save your own life than anything, but okay.
Illgeo: You've only started being active now that people are voting for you, and that's quite scummy in my opinion. You seem to be putting minimal effort into your few posts, and could you please repost your reads, with reasons why everyone seems towny/scum/neutral?
I'd also like to hear why you think I'm scummy.
PPE: Waiting until the end of the day to cast a vote seems slightly scummy to me - it doesn't allow the voted adequate time to prepare a defense and limits the time people can question your vote.
Reads:
Worldmaster: Neutral, but suspicious. He feels too expierenced for newbie. Also, I don't think tie is good for town...
Scripter: Town mostly. Although I feel something weird about him.
TheDarkStar: Mostly town. Hard to say anything
Salsacookies: Scum. Mostly because of his weird play and lack of actual scumhunting
Cap: Neutral, a little townish, nothing out of ordinary.
Jim: Looking pretty town, but his play feels weirdly distanced.
Worldmaster: I feel town, because I haven't noticed anything suspicious
Scripten: Nothing really so far.
TheDarkStar: Nothing.
Cap: town
Jim: Hmm, nothing.
Illgeo:Not anything so far.
Alrighty then.
Illgeo: From what I've read, your nearly nonexistent in posting, why is this?
It's fine to have similar opinions, as long as you've come up with them as well.
I love seeing extensions go unused.Jim, that's a pretty scummy thing to say. :P
That was a joke, Salsa.Yeah, the :P signifies a joke.
Salacookies: It would help you to scumhunt someone other than Illgeo at the moment. Who else do you suspect? Why?
Salacookies: It would help you to scumhunt someone other than Illgeo at the moment. Who else do you suspect? Why?
OH REALLY
Who do you think you are telling people who they should scumhunt? Even better, under the preposterous suggestion that 'it would help them'?
What Salsacookies should do (besides actually play the fucking game he signed up for) would be to pursue suspects as if he had never read your suggestion (and as if he pursued suspects in the first place). Being open to suggestion from other players about who to scumhunt shows that a player does not really care who they suspect, which is a scummy trait.
You are giving him BAD ADVICE and leading him astray.
Jim I agree.
Scripten I think Cptn. is scummy, he said Jim was clear, but now he's scummy?
Worldmaster What would you do if someone role-called themselves as a cop, but seemed too scummy to be one to you?
Illgeo, why does Worldmaster knowing more than a beginner make him seem scummy to you?He said he played only one other game but it doesn't feel like that. I suspy that his theoretical scumbuddy or IC advices him.
Illgeo, this accusation seems a stretch to find a random person to accuse. There are no meaningful questions you can ask in relation to this (that I can think of), so you don't actually find out anything/do any scumhunting. What questions are you going to ask Worldmaster to find out more?Illgeo, why does Worldmaster knowing more than a beginner make him seem scummy to you?He said he played only one other game but it doesn't feel like that. I suspy that his theoretical scumbuddy or IC advices him.
PFP
Going on a trip tomorrow for a Tech Jam in Vermont. I'll be gone from 7am until 7pm est. Therefore, I will almost assuredly not be posting then. :)
Everyone
What's an FOS? It was not intended
FoS - Finger of Suspicion, writing someone's name in blue signifies a great deal of suspicion. It's kind of like a fake-vote, or the threat of a vote. Good for getting attention.
TDS: I'd like to hear our remaining IC's thoughts on this.
Scripten Jim accused you of giving advice, and he is not night-killed. Scummy to me. Very scummy.
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- If the game is in a LYLO or MYLO situation, there will be no formal deadline. >50% Players must vote to end the day, or votes must not change for 24-hours.
So basically, if a town player votes to end the day and we choose the wrong person to vote for, the scum win. We should wait at least a day or two before ending this so that we can discuss things.
Salsacookies: You haven't posted in a while, and that single post was a very short post that didn't respond to anything. What are your thoughts?
Scripten, what makes you so eager to lynch a clueless random townsperson?
Kilojoule Proton, why are you advocating the lynch of the person voting you for no other reason than that he is voting for you? Also, there's that townclaim there that really doesn't make you seem like you're town at all.
TheDarkStar: I don't think that Salsa is scum. He reads to me like a newb more than anything. Lynching players for poor play isn't really the greatest way to find scum. I am a little curious, though, about some of your play.Scripten, what makes you so eager to lynch a clueless random townsperson?
Kilojoule Proton, why are you advocating the lynch of the person voting you for no other reason than that he is voting for you? Also, there's that townclaim there that really doesn't make you seem like you're town at all.
KP was town and, while I did lead the lynch here, I find it interesting that you both sheeped my vote and chainsaw defended* me from him. I'm also curious as to what happened to that scum read you had on me. It felt toothless and makes me very suspicious of you having buddied me.
* Chainsaw defense is when a player defends/buddies another player by attacking a player that is confronting them, so as to divert attention.
Part of my vote on Salsa is that he hasn't replied to any of the questions to him yet. When he answers, I might reconsider, but I currently don't have as much to work with as I'd like to.
Second, why would you find it odd that I vote someone for scummy play? Yes, he voted for you, but how does that make his action less scummy/give me a reason not to vote someone for it? It was a legitimate scummy action.
However, I have a question to you: Why are you "chainsawing"? Just after I voted for Salsa, you voted for me; unlike in my case, however, you focused on defending Salsa instead of attacking me.
I also notice how your opinion of Salsa has been changing - when Day 2 was starting, you voted him with a pressure vote and then later said how scummy he was, but then you quickly changed your vote and encouraged an Illgeo lynch when people started seriously voting for Salsa. Why?
Where is everyone? Game appears dead...
Vote Count:said that the day will end when we say it does, so I'm thinking we should just end the day.
<3> Salsacookies: Cptn Kaladin Anrilokum, Worldmaster27, TheDarkStar
<0> Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum:
<0> Worldmaster27:
<1> Scripten: Salsacookies
<1> TheDarkStar: Scripten
<0> No Lynch:
Not voting: nobody
<0/3> Shorten:
Day 3 will end when you tell it to.
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- If the game is in a LYLO or MYLO situation, there will be no formal deadline. >50% Players must vote to end the day, or votes must not change for 24-hours.
*High-fives Cptn and flabort for a near-flawless game**High-Fives*
While I played, I somewhat suppressed my opinions. Perhaps a bit more questioning during the first day. Somewhat surprised by the fact that scum saw me as a viable threat. I do have to wonder and experiment a little with some tactics.
I think the game would have been more instructive with more activity.
Blah blah activity is the biggest killer of Beginner's Mafias etc. etc. being active is an important part of being town blah blah.