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Title: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on December 10, 2014, 12:16:45 pm
So this is a thing I think about occasionally.

Imagine that you had the ability to increase or decrease any single existing quantity/property/probability by 1% per day. These adjustments change the base state of the world on a day to day basis, so compounding is possible, but they can only be applied multiplicatively to quantities that are already "present," and they don't eliminate  For example:

"Increase my chances of winning the lottery by 1%"

This wouldn't mean that you'd have a 1% chance to win. Rather, if one ticket is drawn out of 100 million tickets, your base chance of being chosen is .00001%. So increasing this by 1% would mean you'd have a .0000101% chance of winning. And then the same cation the following day would increase it to .000010201%. Increasing your chances of winning to 1% would take a long time.

"Make 1% of all the money in the world belong to me"

Wouldn't work, because you're not modifying an existing quantity. Whereas if you have $1000, then $1000 is the "quantity of money that you have" and you could increase that by 1% to have $1010 instead.

"Make me 1% more like superman"

...wouldn't work because you're (mostly) not modifying existing quantities. You might have personal qualities like "honesty" and "appreciation of justice" that a character like superman might also have, but these are not "single" properties and "amount that you are like superman" isn't really a measurable quality.

But you could do, for example:

"Increase the strength of all muscles in my body by 1%"

Which would compound very well. For example, if you could do 100 pound benchpress, the above would allow you to do 101 pounds. And then reapplying it the next day would allow you to do 102.01. After ten days of applying it, you'd end up with a 110.46 pound benchpress.

And you can modify quantities downward. For example:

"Reduce my age by 1%"

If you're 20 years old, this would make you 19.8 years old. 10.4 weeks younger in a day. Of course, compounding would be working against you in this case, as the next day you'd only 19.8 years old plus the day that had passed, so decreasing that by another 1% would only decrease yoru age by .198 years rather than .2 years. Still plenty effective, but it would also have the curious implication that you would never be able to use the above to become less than 100 days old, because you'd be aging at the rate of one day per day.Enough to keep pace with the above.

Which brings up another interesting point. The above reduces your age, but it doesn't eliminate the regular process of aging. So, consider somebody attempting to be altruistic:

"Reduce the number of harmful bacteria in the world by 1%"

This would work fine. But it wouldn't stop them from reproducing, and it's altogether likely that the temporarily reduced bacteria would simply replenish themselves, eliminating the effective benefit of the command. Where you could do something like:

"Decrease the total number of different species of harmful bacteria in the world by 1%"

Which, if there were 2000 different species of harmful bacteria, would result in the genocide of 20 of them. Though you wouldn't have any control over which 20.

So clearly some daily commands are more effective than others. And this power doesn't give you any special patience. So yes, while theoretically you could start with $10,000 in a bank account and use it every single day for 463 days to become a millionaire, but it's probably not realistic to think that someone would sit around with for 15 months diligently not benefiting from their superpower while the money accrues.

Whereas other uses more immediately see results. Using it to brute force getting rich might be difficult, but a single use every few years would keep you forever young, and the occasional carefully worded command to free 1% of all women enslaved by human traffickers, or eliminate 1% of genetic defects in the world could see tremendous effect.


How would you use this power?

Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 10, 2014, 12:21:03 pm
Can I increase the humanity's average IQ?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Frumple on December 10, 2014, 12:25:59 pm
... beyond Isp's one, could you, say, transfer 1% of the world's economy into STEM research funding? Because that sounds like a good idea to me. Do that enough and you might not even have to worry about eternal youth or whatnot after someone properly cracks the aging process.

E2: Though I guess the technical wording would be something like "increase overall global allocations of funds into STEM research by 1%". Whatever works.

E: And what about, like, nested stuff. First you shift 1% of, say, Florida's military spending somewhere else. Then the tri-state area. Then the south east US, then the east coast, then the south, then [...] and so on.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 12:26:23 pm
"Increase the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%"

"This power can now increase percentages by 1.01%"

Seems underwhelming. Then again, given some time, it'd win out.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on December 10, 2014, 12:27:17 pm
"Increase the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%"

Yes, this works, but it has the same basic problem as the getting rich problem. On day one it increases your percentage altering power from 1% to 1.01%. The following day, to 1.021% Even getting to 2% would take seventy days. Are you really going to sit around not benefitting from anything for seventy days? Yes, it compounds very nicely once you start using it every day for years, but personally I would have a very difficult time with so much power not using it for anything for years. I think most of us would.

Yes, probably as the years rolled by it would be a good default to fall back on on those days you didn't have anything else in particular you wanted to use it on. But I really don't think dedicating yourself to this for years, while you live your life is a realistic expectation for most people.



Can I increase the humanity's average IQ?

Sure. Yes. I think this would generate good results. Even just using it once or twice a week would have vast consequence in a short time.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: miauw62 on December 10, 2014, 12:31:33 pm
Would "Increase half of the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%" work? (thus increasing it by the same amount you would get if you did it two days in a row, i think, im too lazy to do the math atm)
Trying to find the loopholes here :P

But yeah, what Ispil said. Theres 355 days in a year, and most of us probably still have plenty of years to live.
ESPECIALLY if you take some days "off" to reduce your age.
The only issue I see is that at a certain point, your power would probably be too powerful for more mundane uses.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 10, 2014, 12:34:25 pm
Can I increase the humanity's average IQ?

Sure. Yes.
Then I abuse that power every day.
30 days => 135% the intelligence.
365 days of using that power => 3778% the intelligence.

Nothing can go wrong with more intelligence for everyone! Just after one month, there already should be a pretty noticeable effect. After three months, average people exceed Hawking level. After one year, the science will be going at the speed of light.

For bonus points, it should also affect myself. I could use some extra brain-muscle.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Flying Dice on December 10, 2014, 12:35:56 pm
LB, you mentioned it yourself. It's a bad idea to just pump that increase constantly, but if you did it one out of every five days, you'd have it up to 2% in a year while also gaining a range of other benefits. If you use the wealth-scaling increases for another ~20% of the time, that still leaves you with ~219 days per year for whatever changes you want to make. Just based on my initial impression this power appears to be most effective if used with a mixture of narrow and broad focus rather than one or the other.

"Increase the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%"
The first response and we're already into "wish for more wishes" territory. Why am I not surprised. :P

I'd probably include things like "Purify 1% of the Earth's fresh water," "Increase the shelf life of healthful foods by 1%," and "Cure 1% of human genetic defects with no evolutionary benefit," in a rotation alongside the immortality and make-me-rich bits.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: miauw62 on December 10, 2014, 12:38:15 pm
I'd probably include things like "Purify 1% of the Earth's fresh water,"
that'd probably just purify five microliters in a bucket filled with dirty water though.

How about "Turn 1% of the world's population into Elvis Presley"?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 12:38:50 pm
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"Reduce the number of harmful bacteria in the world by 1%"

This would work fine. But it wouldn't stop them from reproducing, and it's altogether likely that the temporarily reduced bacteria would simply replenish themselves, eliminating the effective benefit of the command. Where you could do something like:

"Decrease the total number of different species of harmful bacteria in the world by 1%"

Which, if there were 2000 different species of harmful bacteria, would result in the genocide of 20 of them. Though you wouldn't have any control over which 20

I just love how unintentionally dooming that is. Seriously people don't affect the ecosystem.

By the way want money?

I want 1% of the USA's Wealth

Want Power?

I want the ability to control 1% of the world's interests.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sirus on December 10, 2014, 12:39:13 pm
"Increase the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%"
Thread's over, folks. This is the clear winner.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 12:39:26 pm
Decrease entropy by 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 12:40:28 pm
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on December 10, 2014, 12:42:54 pm
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?

How so?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 12:44:22 pm
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?

How so?

Well Entropy is a stabilizing force of the universe in some respects.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on December 10, 2014, 12:46:38 pm
Also, in the 'more wishes' vein, 'Decrease power cooldown by 1%'.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 12:47:18 pm
"Increase the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%"
Thread's over, folks. This is the clear winner.

Not yet. While it's true that an increase in utility is a good long run investment, you could die (from whatever causes) before really gettin a chance to use it.

Perhaps spamming "decrease the chance I die from whatever cause this century by 1%" until you are sufficiently unkillable before increasing utility is a good idea.

Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on December 10, 2014, 12:54:43 pm
You have no idea how much patience one man can have so that, one day, he could literally stand in front
of a crowd and declare "Gravity shall now cease to exist on Earth!" and have it be so.

Truly, that particular application never occurred to me.

By the way want money?

I want 1% of the USA's Wealth

Want Power?

I want the ability to control 1% of the world's interests.

These wouldn't work for reasons explicitly described in the opening post. In fact, I gave almost that exact example.

Also, it would reach 2% in 52 days, not 70. 3% at 69 days. 4% at 78 days. 5% at 83 days. 6% in 87 days.

And I don't mean relative to each other- I mean relative to the start date. You forget that by increasing the power by 1%, the next day I'd increase it by 1.01%, and so on. By 99 days, you're already at 20%.

...right. Was doing the math wrong. Still, the point remains: if you had the power to increase the world's average IQ by 1% or eliminate diseases and so forth, I think it would be psychologically difficult to sit around not doing anything with it for months. Also, it occurs to me that using the reducing side of it has peculiar implications when altering the power itself. "Reduce this by 100%" is contrary to the spirit of the power I was attempting to describe, even if the math happens to work that way. Might need to apply it differently on the reducing side.

Though at this point I'm tempted to say "no wishing for more wishes" since it mostly makes the discussion boring.




Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 10, 2014, 12:56:19 pm
Government finds you have these powers. The odds of your survival drop as they dissect you.
How would it even find out that? Unless you tell everyone, that is. And even than government has a good chance of thinking that you're just another charlatan.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 10, 2014, 12:58:08 pm
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Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on December 10, 2014, 12:59:59 pm
I would decrease the force exerted by gravity by 1%. All gravity.

Why?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Levi on December 10, 2014, 01:01:42 pm
I'll take the increase my amount of money by 1% per day.  Starting at 1000 dollars, I'd have 1.4 million in two years.  :D  In four years I'd have 1.9 billion.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 10, 2014, 01:02:28 pm
"Reduce the amount of hydrogen atoms inside Assad by 1%."

The fucker would just drop dead from all the suddenly appearing radicals in his body.

Also, why go with the compound interest route of gaining money? "Reduce the amount of protons in this pool of mercury by 1%." BAM, puddle of gold, right there. Impure, sure, but good enough. Of course whether this works kinda depends on how it is determined which protons are eliminated, but if we assume even probabilities, we'd get over 80% for sure. If you game the decay tables a little, there's bound to be even better ways to get even rarer precious metals.

Hell, "increase mass of this block of Pu-239 by 1%". Iran would like to have a word with you... Or "increase the chance of malfunctioning of the Russian army's weapons, trucks etc etc by 1%". Do that a couple of times, and you can win that war all on your own.

Holy crap, ten ninjas? I put way too much thought into this.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 10, 2014, 01:05:46 pm
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Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: pisskop on December 10, 2014, 01:08:10 pm
If we increase the odds by 1% per day, do we ever reach 100%?

Or do we just increase it by 1% relative to the current?

i.e. 100+1=101
Is it:
  -101(1.01)
  -101+(100(0.01))
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: miauw62 on December 10, 2014, 01:08:55 pm
BTW, "Reduce the average temperature of Earth by 1%" would probably bring us back to the level we had before we started mass-polluting things. (Maybe "decrease the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by 1% would also do a good job, idk)

Theres so many great things you could do with this power.
How about "Decrease the speed of light by 1%"?
"Decrease the temperature required for fusion to occur by 1%"?

What would happen if you said "Decrease the distance between point A and point B by 1%"?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: thedrelle on December 10, 2014, 01:09:59 pm
Can I increase the humanity's average IQ?

Sure. Yes.
Then I abuse that power every day.
30 days => 135% the intelligence.
365 days of using that power => 3778% the intelligence.

Nothing can go wrong with more intelligence for everyone! Just after one month, there already should be a pretty noticeable effect. After three months, average people exceed Hawking level. After one year, the science will be going at the speed of light.

For bonus points, it should also affect myself. I could use some extra brain-muscle.

ah, but you missed something, it raises the AVERAGE IQ. It may do that by spiking ONE PERSON randomly to well above genius. you don't see any change in yourself or those around you, but random people around the world are getting their heads exploded.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 01:12:16 pm
"Increase the percentage of this power's ability to alter percentages by 1%"
Thread's over, folks. This is the clear winner.

Not yet. While it's true that an increase in utility is a good long run investment, you could die (from whatever causes) before really gettin a chance to use it.

Perhaps spamming "decrease the chance I die from whatever cause this century by 1%" until you are sufficiently unkillable before increasing utility is a good idea.

Well, what are the odds that you'll die in the next 4 months? Not very high? Then you're fine.

Then again, would you really be willing to take that chance? After all, it's entirely possible that you do in fact die before you get the chance to use those powers, whereas decreasing the odds that you die means you can still increase your percentages afterward.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 01:14:02 pm
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These wouldn't work for reasons explicitly described in the opening post. In fact, I gave almost that exact example.

Unless you word it correctly.

Decrease 1% of the world's cash into my pocket.

After all the power never says HOW it increases or decreases something.

As well we are decreasing an existing quantity but just qualifying where it is going.

BTW, "Reduce the average temperature of Earth by 1%" would probably bring us back to the level we had before we started mass-polluting things. (Maybe "decrease the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by 1% would also do a good job, idk)

Theres so many great things you could do with this power.
How about "Decrease the speed of light by 1%"?
"Decrease the temperature required for fusion to occur by 1%"?

What would happen if you said "Decrease the distance between point A and point B by 1%"?

Stop destroying things!

By the way decreasing the carbon dioxide in the air by 1% would... kill all live on earth just about.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 10, 2014, 01:17:15 pm
If increasing the power itself were a thing, I'd be willing to dedicate some time to it as it would decrease the time needed to effect changes with later uses. Or, with the money and other examples, it seems delayed gratification would get greater returns overall than using it for something immediately (but slightly) useful every single day.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Reelya on December 10, 2014, 01:17:21 pm
So yes, while theoretically you could start with $10,000 in a bank account and use it every single day for 463 days to become a millionaire, but it's probably not realistic to think that someone would sit around with for 15 months diligently not benefiting from their superpower while the money accrues.

Whereas other uses more immediately see results. Using it to brute force getting rich might be difficult, but a single use every few years would keep you forever young, and the occasional carefully worded command to free 1% of all women enslaved by human traffickers, or eliminate 1% of genetic defects in the world could see tremendous effect.

You must be a very impatient person. Only a brainless person would forgo the $1 million in 15 months for a "quick fix" right now, unless there was a better short-term alternative. Sitting on your ass for ~1 year is a small price to pay for being rich (interest will start to really accrue once you have enough anyway), and as you say the rules allow you to change the power at any time.

Get rich first, then forever young. Young and poor isn't a good combo. Plus with tons of money you can also do stuff to indirectly achieve other good goals and "double up" on the extertion of your power. For the youth-thing, it's more effective the older you are, so do that last, and do the things which grow exponentially by themselves first.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 01:19:15 pm
Heaven forgive someone make more money some other way in the mean time.

Heck take out loans and just increase your wealth... You will pay off your loans faster then the interest will accrue. Even the most rip-offish loan won't touch you.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 01:27:26 pm
By the way decreasing the carbon dioxide in the air by 1% would... kill all live on earth just about.
Why would it? It's hardly much in the first place.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 01:28:34 pm
By the way decreasing the carbon dioxide in the air by 1% would... kill all live on earth just about.
Why would it? It's hardly much in the first place.

Atmospheric Pressure.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Reelya on December 10, 2014, 01:31:54 pm
lol, this thread is interesting because of the badly-worded wishes.

"decrease average temperature of the world by 1% per day". 1% of what exactly? I would assume that would have to be absolute temperature since you haven't specified whether it's 1% of the value in fahrenheit or celcius.

So, we're talking a ~3 degree celcius drop in average world temperatures every day. Do that for 1 week and 90% of all living things would probably be dead.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 10, 2014, 01:32:47 pm
By the way decreasing the carbon dioxide in the air by 1% would... kill all live on earth just about.
Why would it? It's hardly much in the first place.

Atmospheric Pressure.
Carbon dioxide makes up a very small percentage of the overall atmosphere. Removing 1% of .04% of the atmosphere would not reduce global atmospheric pressure by much.

Would wording it more like "Sequester 1% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere" work for the rules? If so, it would just be taken up by plants/rocks/water and not change the mass of the system.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 01:33:01 pm
By the way decreasing the carbon dioxide in the air by 1% would... kill all live on earth just about.
Why would it? It's hardly much in the first place.
Atmospheric Pressure.
You'd only be taking away 0.004% of the atmosphere. I don't think it'd be that catastrophic.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 01:34:40 pm
Give me 1% of the universe's knowledge per day with the ability to understand and use it.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 01:35:59 pm
Give me 1% of the universe's knowledge per day with the ability to understand and use it.

You can't do that because you don't own a percent of the universe's knowledge.

You need to find a way around it... like I did.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 10, 2014, 01:38:01 pm
Ninjas!

Give me 1% of the universe's knowledge per day with the ability to understand and use it.
Does this work? "Knowledge" is only arguably quantifiable. It's more like a quality, i.e. "You know this thing," where more knowledge would be "You know thing thing, and these other things about this thing."

"Information" is more measurable but then you might get a bunch of junk or noise.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 01:40:10 pm
Hmm. According to wikipedia the 'crude death rate' in 2014 is 7,89 per 1000 people, or 0.789% of people dying (not accounting age and where you live etc). In two weeks you can decrease this to 0.685 (if I'm calculating this correctly).

Hmm. Not great.

However, this would also imply you have a 99.211% of surviving. So, how about we instead word it as 'increase my chance of surviving this year by 1%'.

99.211% *1.01 = 99.211% + 0.992% = 100,203%

And now you're immortal for a year, and can safely start increasing your power.

((manipulating numbers for fun and profit. also pretty sure I made a mistake somewhere in there))
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 01:45:10 pm
Give me 1% of the universe's knowledge per day with the ability to understand and use it.

You can't do that because you don't own a percent of the universe's knowledge.

You need to find a way around it... like I did.

Do you need 1% of whatever in order to make the wish? No one here owns gravity, entropy, or 1% of the world's wealth to begin with.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 01:47:48 pm
Give me 1% of the universe's knowledge per day with the ability to understand and use it.

You can't do that because you don't own a percent of the universe's knowledge.

You need to find a way around it... like I did.

Do you need 1% of whatever in order to make the wish? No one here owns gravity, entropy, or 1% of the world's wealth to begin with.
You can't do it because you don't have "the universe's knowledge" in any quantity.
Increasing your own knowledge would work just fine though.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Reelya on December 10, 2014, 01:50:40 pm
Hmm. According to wikipedia the 'crude death rate' in 2014 is 7,89 per 1000 people, or 0.789% of people dying (not accounting age and where you live etc). In two weeks you can decrease this to 0.685 (if I'm calculating this correctly).

Hmm. Not great.

However, this would also imply you have a 99.211% of surviving. So, how about we instead word it as 'increase my chance of surviving this year by 1%'.

99.211% *1.01 = 99.211% + 0.992% = 100,203%

And now you're immortal for a year, and can safely start increasing your power.

((manipulating numbers for fun and profit. also pretty sure I made a mistake somewhere in there))

The only problem is assuming you have an averagized "chance" of surviving for a year. It's more likely that either specific people are going to die or not die (in a deterministic universe) or if it's non-deterministic then specific people have a very high chance of dying, and others have very low or no chance of dying. You can't really be sure what your real chance of dying is.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 01:53:41 pm
Give me 1% of the universe's knowledge per day with the ability to understand and use it.

You can't do that because you don't own a percent of the universe's knowledge.

You need to find a way around it... like I did.

Do you need 1% of whatever in order to make the wish? No one here owns gravity, entropy, or 1% of the world's wealth to begin with.
You can't do it because you don't have "the universe's knowledge" in any quantity.
Increasing your own knowledge would work just fine though.

Isn't any knowledge part of the knowledge of the universe?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Jiharo on December 10, 2014, 01:54:13 pm
Huh, increasing forested area of Earth by 1% counteracts almost five and a half years of deforestation. It would probably be regarded as a disaster though - trees sprouting in fields, residences and whatnot.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 10, 2014, 01:54:50 pm
Can I increase the humanity's average IQ?

Sure. Yes.
Then I abuse that power every day.
30 days => 135% the intelligence.
365 days of using that power => 3778% the intelligence.

Nothing can go wrong with more intelligence for everyone! Just after one month, there already should be a pretty noticeable effect. After three months, average people exceed Hawking level. After one year, the science will be going at the speed of light.

For bonus points, it should also affect myself. I could use some extra brain-muscle.

ah, but you missed something, it raises the AVERAGE IQ. It may do that by spiking ONE PERSON randomly to well above genius. you don't see any change in yourself or those around you, but random people around the world are getting their heads exploded.
Okay.

How about "increase the median IQ by 1%"?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 01:55:49 pm
I take that chance every day. It's not like gaining a superpower miraculously increases your odds of dying.

That's not the point. The point is that the optimal strategy is that, before you increase your power, you safeguard yourself by making sure you won't die, and then you increase your power.

Hmm. According to wikipedia the 'crude death rate' in 2014 is 7,89 per 1000 people, or 0.789% of people dying (not accounting age and where you live etc). In two weeks you can decrease this to 0.685 (if I'm calculating this correctly).

Hmm. Not great.

However, this would also imply you have a 99.211% of surviving. So, how about we instead word it as 'increase my chance of surviving this year by 1%'.

99.211% *1.01 = 99.211% + 0.992% = 100,203%

And now you're immortal for a year, and can safely start increasing your power.

((manipulating numbers for fun and profit. also pretty sure I made a mistake somewhere in there))

The only problem is assuming you have an averagized "chance" of surviving for a year. It's more likely that either specific people are going to die or not die (in a deterministic universe) or if it's non-deterministic then specific people have a very high chance of dying, and others have very low or no chance of dying. You can't really be sure what your real chance of dying is.

Even then, the idea is the same.


If you're an old man with a week to live, and you get the power. High chance of death within the year, so you decrease that by a percent for a few days, which will maximally increase your odds of surviving. If you're a healthy twenty-something, you increase your odds of surviving, again gaining maximum chance of not dying.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 02:04:20 pm
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Well, the issue here is the repercussions of increasing the average rate of survival of humans over 1 year- you're not the only immortal.

Who said anything about increasing the odds of other people? That could be done, of course, but would be something you'd have to do carefully to avoid causing disaster by accident.

For your first few days, you just increase your own odds. Then, once you can safely use your powers, you can decide on what to do next.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 02:06:52 pm
Assuming that is how percentages work.

The Double of 90% is also 95%
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 02:08:12 pm
You know for all the IQ ones it could just make the test easier? If anything that's the only way I could see it working, since the tests are supposed to be moderated to have an average of around 100, right?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 02:10:44 pm
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Well, the issue here is the repercussions of increasing the average rate of survival of humans over 1 year- you're not the only immortal.

Who said anything about increasing the odds of other people? That could be done, of course, but would be something you'd have to do carefully to avoid causing disaster by accident.

For your first few days, you just increase your own odds. Then, once you can safely use your powers, you can decide on what to do next.


Well, it then becomes a matter of raising... well, odds.


What would be the consequence of having a 102% chance of surviving for a year?

Functional immortality? I guess we'll have to ask the OP to be sure.

Hey, Lord of Buckets, what would happen in cases like this, where odds increase above the possible value (like having more than a 100% chance of not dying)? Does it revert to 100% or what?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Fniff on December 10, 2014, 02:13:46 pm
A lot of people have a much better power then this.
They are the 99%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 02:15:02 pm
Huh, increasing forested area of Earth by 1% counteracts almost five and a half years of deforestation. It would probably be regarded as a disaster though - trees sprouting in fields, residences and whatnot.


I saw that episode of Doctor Who.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: pisskop on December 10, 2014, 02:15:16 pm
Yup, can I just have 1% of the net worth of any all of the 1%?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 02:17:19 pm
Huh, increasing forested area of Earth by 1% counteracts almost five and a half years of deforestation. It would probably be regarded as a disaster though - trees sprouting in fields, residences and whatnot.


I saw that episode of Doctor Who.

And Sam and Max
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on December 10, 2014, 02:24:21 pm
I like how Bay 12 was able to collectively come up with an optimal strategy on how to use this power, and that within about an hour of posing the question.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 10, 2014, 02:38:22 pm
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Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Culise on December 10, 2014, 03:12:14 pm
You know for all the IQ ones it could just make the test easier? If anything that's the only way I could see it working, since the tests are supposed to be moderated to have an average of around 100, right?
Indeed; they already recalibrate it rather regularly due to the Flynn effect (that is, the fact that IQ scores are already apparently increasing at a rate of around 3 points per decade).  That leaves aside the question of just how effectively IQ measures something as ill-understood as "intelligence."  Rather than this, I would suggest altering neural plasticity and/or neural interconnectivity.  If nothing else, it would be useful to determining the effects of these on intelligence as well. 

On another note, if you want to blow up the universe, you could try altering some fundamental constants.  For instance, increase the scale variation in the electrical charge of a quark, or the fine-structure constant, then watch the (figurative and/or literal) fireworks as the fundamental underpinnings of atoms comes unglued.  Four days of alteration of the fine-structure constant (4%), and stellar fusion no longer creates carbon; let it increase above .1, and all stars die as stellar fusion ceases to exist. 
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: nogoodnames on December 10, 2014, 03:15:52 pm
Increase the value of 1/0 by 1%.

Also, there's a matter of scale. For example, if it's 10 degrees Celsius out and I say "raise the temperature by 1%" the temperature will raise by 0.1 degrees, but if I measure in Kelvin instead, it raises by 2.8 degrees (in Celsius as well as Kelvin since their increments have the same value). Can I just make up an arbitrary scale to get the results I want?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on December 10, 2014, 03:54:29 pm
Hey, Lord of Buckets, what would happen in cases like this, where odds increase above the possible value (like having more than a 100% chance of not dying)? Does it revert to 100% or what?

There are several ways that could possibly be resolved. Ignoring meaningless results is one option. Applying probability percentages such that neither zero nor 100 are ever reached is another. Like somebody else suggested, A thing with a 90% chance modified by 1% can result in a 91% chance, a 90.9% chance or 90.1% depending on how you apply the 1%. Or I suppose you could eliminate the ability to modify probabilities and intangibles from the original premise.

But I hadn't really intended this thread to be an exercise in math or rules lawyering. Presumably the hypothetical genie granting a power like we're discussing would have  a logically consistent system in place. And presumably he would describe the power in plain english rather than handing you a 200 page book with all the legalisms and math behind it. And presumably if you attempted an invalid use of the power or expected something contrary to the way it worked, it would nevertheless continue to work or not work according to the actual rules rather than the plain-english phrasing of them regardless of whether you knew why. Jafar at the end of the Aladdin comes to mind. There were rules. He didn't know them because the djinn never told him. He made an invalid wish, and it just didn't happen.


Decrease 1% of the world's cash into my pocket.
Increase the value of 1/0 by 1%.

Can I just make up an arbitrary scale to get the results I want?

But if people are more interested in using incorrect grammar to deliberately attempt things that were specified as not an option, mathematically nonsensical applications and generally looking for loopholes in the phrasing of the OP, *shrug* at least they're enjoying themselves, so successful thread, right?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Jiharo on December 10, 2014, 04:09:21 pm
I saw that episode of Doctor Who.
And Sam and Max
Haven't watched/played those, although I suspect it was one of episodes of Darkwing Duck with Bushroot(?) as villain that planted this idea in my head a couple of decades ago. Nature's revenge seems to be a popular theme/fear.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 10, 2014, 04:12:47 pm
Well, the best way to utilize this would be to increase my intelligence for a few months or years, then use that knowledge to take over the world.

A lot of my hypothetical uses for superpowers involve world conquest.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 04:17:14 pm
"Reduce the number of alive human traffickers by 1%"
Suddenly hundreds of people around the world just drop dead and their respective organisations start to undergo collapse.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MDFification on December 10, 2014, 04:20:48 pm
Decrease the probability of my death by 1%.

Starting at a 100% probability that I will die, I have to survive 100 odd days before I am now unconditionally immortal. Well, not quite; death never winds up as a non-0 probability, but the longer you leave the power on the smaller and smaller the probability gets.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 10, 2014, 04:29:24 pm
Increase pi by one percent. Then watch reality burn.

But as I said before: Targeted assasinations, people! "Decrease number of carbon atoms in the body of X by one percent." The guy will drop dead instantly.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: smeeprocket on December 10, 2014, 04:30:29 pm
Kind of like a death note.

I want a Death Note. Not saying I have a list, but... yea I have a list.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 10, 2014, 04:34:12 pm
Decrease the probability of my death by 1%.

Starting at a 100% probability that I will die, I have to survive 100 odd days before I am now unconditionally immortal. Well, not quite; death never winds up as a non-0 probability, but the longer you leave the power on the smaller and smaller the probability gets.
I would go with the probability of me dying within the next 50 years.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Baffler on December 10, 2014, 04:35:55 pm
I would increase the fuel efficiency of NASA's liquid rocket engines every day for a little while at least. On the other hand they may will waste a bunch of time trying to figure out why, and telling them would put me on the wrong radars (if they don't just think I'm crazy.)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 04:37:37 pm
Kind of like a death note.

I want a Death Note. Not saying I have a list, but... yea I have a list.

Would be cool except for the inevitable "absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 10, 2014, 04:39:21 pm
Increase pi by one percent. Then watch reality burn.
Even better: increase e by one percent!

I'm not sure if there are even any physics which utilize a different e.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 04:42:34 pm
Well if it works with probabilities, could we not pull an 'Infinite Improbability Drive' stunt and make it more probable that somebody will discover/create a certain thing?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 10, 2014, 04:43:25 pm
Kind of like a death note.

I want a Death Note. Not saying I have a list, but... yea I have a list.

Would be cool except for the inevitable "absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Spend a few months on increasing your morality, duh. Wait, the best choice would be to decrease the amount of time it takes for you to be able to reuse the 1%/Day power. Eventually, you will be nigh-omnipotent.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 10, 2014, 04:43:49 pm
Well if it works with probabilities, could we not pull an 'Infinite Improbability Drive' stunt and make it more probable that somebody will discover/create a certain thing?
Well, the rules cover that one - if the chance for that is zero in the beginning, it stays zero after multiplication with 1.01.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 10, 2014, 04:44:55 pm
Well if it works with probabilities, could we not pull an 'Infinite Improbability Drive' stunt and make it more probable that somebody will discover/create a certain thing?
Well, the rules cover that one - if the chance for that is zero in the beginning, it stays zero after multiplication with 1.01.
So we can't do anything that's already impossible, got it.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: smeeprocket on December 10, 2014, 04:45:26 pm
Kind of like a death note.

I want a Death Note. Not saying I have a list, but... yea I have a list.

Would be cool except for the inevitable "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

I think it would be worth it. There's not even a shinigami to hover over me and await my demise.

I could become overlady of the world, given enough time. Dictatorships seem a lot more appealing when you are the one in charge...
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WealthyRadish on December 10, 2014, 05:21:43 pm
I wouldn't want this power. All the selfish things that can be done with it are tempting enough that I'd probably do it, and either regret it later or worse, turn into a person who doesn't regret it. After a while you'd figure out a way to kill people instantly, like with one of the chemistry examples mentioned, and with enough time (like an eternity) it's inevitable that you'd start to rationalize it for more and more trivial things. That's the most obvious example to me of why this would only end badly. Even if you set out to use the power for the right reasons, most people (probably including myself) would have a difficult time not giving themselves all the power they can think of at some point, out of fear or a desire to protect the power that grows out of just having it. A life of immortality, infinite wealth, and infinite power is not only a pointless and unpleasant life, it's also going to end up making the lives of others worse.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 10, 2014, 05:39:25 pm
I'd decrease the lifespans of everybody involved with the MPAA and/or RIAA

And increase the lifespans of everybody who isn't either a stockholder in a major corporation, an objectivist, a religious fundamentalist, or a personal injury lawyer.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 10, 2014, 05:44:56 pm
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Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 06:07:36 pm
Well if it works with probabilities, could we not pull an 'Infinite Improbability Drive' stunt and make it more probable that somebody will discover/create a certain thing?
Well, the rules cover that one - if the chance for that is zero in the beginning, it stays zero after multiplication with 1.01.
But there's plenty of things that aren't impossible, but could do with being higher. So within a couple of months you could effectively double the progress being made in a certain scientific field, or more realistically if those increments were spread out as every 5th day in a year or whatever.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: smeeprocket on December 10, 2014, 06:10:32 pm
I wouldn't want this power. All the selfish things that can be done with it are tempting enough that I'd probably do it, and either regret it later or worse, turn into a person who doesn't regret it. After a while you'd figure out a way to kill people instantly, like with one of the chemistry examples mentioned, and with enough time (like an eternity) it's inevitable that you'd start to rationalize it for more and more trivial things. That's the most obvious example to me of why this would only end badly. Even if you set out to use the power for the right reasons, most people (probably including myself) would have a difficult time not giving themselves all the power they can think of at some point, out of fear or a desire to protect the power that grows out of just having it. A life of immortality, infinite wealth, and infinite power is not only a pointless and unpleasant life, it's also going to end up making the lives of others worse.


By contrast, I'd love this power for all of those reasons. Mostly because the ability to alter reality at a whim (which, if you change the cooldown of once a day to once a millisecond, would be basically what this is) would basically have you transcend wealth, power, and mortality. You'd be a god at that point, really.

Yea being a God would have its perks.

Like, I'm all about not doing this if you are -not me-, but if it were me... I'm going to do it and be judge, jury, executioner, and the writer of morality for all humans.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Karkov on December 10, 2014, 06:48:48 pm
Could distance work with this power?  In a "Reduce the distance between this specific chair and Hong Kong by 1%," kind of way?  Because the mental image I'm getting of a chair violently making its way 1% of the way to Hong Kong is hilarious to me.

I'd use it for other things, of course, but I would love to just arbitrarily choose some object and move it 1% of the way across the globe.  Hell, if you designated it correctly you could make buildings sink 1% of the way through the Earth.

"The Pentagon disappeared from its former position today, and has resurfaced somewhere in the middle of North Carolina."
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 10, 2014, 06:55:47 pm
Oooh, new assassination method! "Decrease distance between X and Alpha Centauri by 1%."
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 10, 2014, 07:41:02 pm
That's 1% of a couple lightyears, so they'd be thrown/teleported way out into space.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on December 10, 2014, 08:34:28 pm
Could distance work with this power?  In a "Reduce the distance between this specific chair and Hong Kong by 1%," kind of way?  Because the mental image I'm getting of a chair violently making its way 1% of the way to Hong Kong is hilarious to me.

Probably would be the chair going .5% of the way, with Hong Kong going the other .5%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Itnetlolor on December 10, 2014, 08:39:26 pm
How would adjusting the chances of probability work (like the chances of good luck happening)? Would 1%'s difference matter?

EDIT:
Too meta?

How about increasing the size of ice by 1%, and owning an icebox? Now that's a practical use for it.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Karkov on December 10, 2014, 08:42:18 pm
Could distance work with this power?  In a "Reduce the distance between this specific chair and Hong Kong by 1%," kind of way?  Because the mental image I'm getting of a chair violently making its way 1% of the way to Hong Kong is hilarious to me.

Probably would be the chair going .5% of the way, with Hong Kong going the other .5%.
You think this would make me not use the power for things such as this.

You are wrong.

I'd probably just word it differently so I didn't send Hong Kong skidding along the ground at an increased velocity, or maybe just pick a piece of furniture visible off of a live stream from there, or something.  Making inanimate objects take off at dangerous speeds from rest for no rhyme or reason is hilarious to me, especially if it passes someone on the highway going 100+ mph.

"Oh man, I'm so glad I bought this Lamborghini, now I can zoo- is that an office chair?"

EDIT:  I blame G-mod and other glitchy video games for this terrible sense of humor.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on December 10, 2014, 09:00:03 pm
Oooh, new assasination method! "Decrease distance between X and Alpha Centauri by 1%."

Oh god I am just visualizing people suddenly being forcefully propelled towards Alpha Centauri, regardless of where it is. This includes directly downwards, at which point they are simply dragged along the ground at an increasing velocity.

^^This. Or I suppose I could just give everyone 1% more empathy. Or 1% more legs. Or 1% more cats. Or 1% more antimatter. The possibilities. Are exceeding a certain amount in quantity.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 10, 2014, 09:04:12 pm
I'd be very tempted to try to increase my chances of discovering the origin of this superpower within the month by 1% a few times until I figure it out or get bored trying.

 I tend to be the sort to wonder how things even happen.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MDFification on December 10, 2014, 09:13:49 pm
I'd decrease the lifespans of everybody involved with the MPAA and/or RIAA

And increase the lifespans of everybody who isn't either a stockholder in a major corporation, an objectivist, a religious fundamentalist, or a personal injury lawyer.

... what's wrong with personal injury lawyers? They sue insurance companies that refuse to pay their clients because they put their profits above fulfilling their obligations or human suffering. They don't make money unless their client gets what they're owed + enough to pay them.

The thing with changing the probability of things is that you can't change things with a base probability of 0% (note: nothing has a base problem of 0% except the increase of entropy, so you can't use it to get rid of aging. Still, most things like "probability that my fingernails turn to gold" has such a low probability that the sun would explode before the probability became 1%). You also cannot increase/decrease a probability to 100% or 0%; the probabilty will increase in smaller increments each time, so you'll get infinitely closer to those points but never reach them.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: fivex on December 10, 2014, 09:29:59 pm
"Decrease the amount of time between 1000000BC and the first time a human sets foot on Mars by 1%"
...though that would most likely cause someone to land on mars somewhere between 8006BC and 7907BC, assuming someone would originally do sometime in the next century.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 09:33:39 pm
I'd be very tempted to try to increase my chances of discovering the origin of this superpower within the month by 1% a few times until I figure it out or get bored trying.

 I tend to be the sort to wonder how things even happen.

That is impossible as you have no chance.

What you DO is DECREASE the chance you won't discover the origin of the super power by 1%. Since that is 100%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 09:36:19 pm
Oooh, new assasination method! "Decrease distance between X and Alpha Centauri by 1%."

Oh god I am just visualizing people suddenly being forcefully propelled towards Alpha Centauri, regardless of where it is. This includes directly downwards, at which point they are simply dragged along the ground at an increasing velocity.


Or eventually you'd get Alpha Centauri colliding with Sol and ripping both solar systems apart. That could be fun, I guess.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on December 10, 2014, 09:41:37 pm
My power would be "Increase the energy output of oxidizing or burning carbon by 1% per day".

Eventually, burning pure elemental carbon will yield enough energy to synthesize pure elemental carbon purely out of the energy released  (e=mc2) by burning the same amount of carbon. We wind up with C+O2+(X Energy units) -> CO2+(X+Y Energy Units), and (X+Y Energy Units) -> C, or C+O2 -> CO2+C+(Ever Increasing amount of energy). This leads to the perfect machine, leads to nuclear power being replaced with far more efficient self-perpetuating coal power, and causes some people to spontaneously combust.

And eventually the energy output is enough that we can spend the energy to separate the oxygen from the carbon again and still have a net profit.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 09:43:17 pm
My power would be "Increase the energy output of oxidizing or burning carbon by 1% per day".

Eventually, burning pure elemental carbon will yield enough energy to synthesize pure elemental carbon purely out of the energy released  (e=mc2) by burning the same amount of carbon. We wind up with C+O2+(X Energy units) -> CO2+(X+Y Energy Units), and (X+Y Energy Units) -> C, or C+O2 -> CO2+C+(Ever Increasing amount of energy). This leads to the perfect machine, leads to nuclear power being replaced with far more efficient self-perpetuating coal power, and causes some people to spontaneously combust.

And eventually the energy output is enough that we can spend the energy to separate the oxygen from the carbon again and still have a net profit.



...You win.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2014, 09:46:06 pm
Staying eternally youthful is trivially easy, you'd just have to use it less than 5 times a year to stay in your 20s.  So I think that one's a given.  Money is also not likely to be an issue considering you'd be better than any investment bank if you used your power just 30 times a year or so - just take out a loan every now and then and use it to pump yourself full of money if you're running short.

So we'll move on to making the world better.  Going Death Note is possible, but a bad idea.  Firstly due to the reasons that Death Note itself presents, with it being explicitly intended as a criticism of people who think that the world would be better if only we would arbitrarily kill certain people.  I'd also say it's highly likely that someone else would take over if you killed one individual in a bad organization, or that if you killed an entire organization there would be power vacuum problems.

Changing fundamental rules of physics seems very dangerous.  For instance, screwing with the oxidization energy of Carbon is likely to kill all living things due to their dependence on respiration.  Changing any fundamental force would likely be even worse and would cause the galaxy or matter itself to disintegrate.

I think the better approach is to help boost the solutions rather than attacking the problem.  For instance, taking 1% chunks out of HIV will help people, but will never eliminate the problem as your "1% less" gets less effective every time.  Making the drugs 1% more effective, or 1% more available, or increasing the research speed for new drugs against viruses in general by 1% every day for a year or so though would dramatically boost elimination efforts, and would keep getting better every time you used it.  If you got drug research up to, say, 10,000% of what it is now while also doing similar things to vaccine and drug effectiveness that means you'd also likely be free to address other problems, as new pathogens would likely be stamped out very rapidly by the incredibly quick drug responses.  I think this is the most efficient and sustainable way to fight the world's ills.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: martinuzz on December 10, 2014, 09:46:58 pm
If I want to decrease the gap between my financial assets, and those of the richest person on earth with 1% per day, how many days would it take me to become the second richest person on earth? Let's say my financial assets can safely be assumed to be zero at t=0, since even if I would have 1000 dollars, it'd be insignificant compared to the 81.9 billion dollars Bill Gates has, if we round the outcome to integer days.

So at t=0 the gap is 81.9 billion dollars. at t=1, day 1, the gap decreases by 1%. I would need to gain 819 million dollars for that.

EDIT: to become the second richest person, I would have to acquire more than Carlos Slim, 74.2 billion dollars, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World%27s_Billionaires
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: IronyOwl on December 10, 2014, 09:47:38 pm
I'd be very tempted to try to increase my chances of discovering the origin of this superpower within the month by 1% a few times until I figure it out or get bored trying.

 I tend to be the sort to wonder how things even happen.

That is impossible as you have no chance.

What you DO is DECREASE the chance you won't discover the origin of the super power by 1%. Since that is 100%.
I'm not sure this would count as "modifying an existing quality," and if so I suspect it'd still be violating the spirit of the question. Similar to how you (probably) couldn't "decrease my mortality" to increase lifespan or "reduce my lack of wealth" to gain money.


My power would be "Increase the energy output of oxidizing or burning carbon by 1% per day".

Eventually, burning pure elemental carbon will yield enough energy to synthesize pure elemental carbon purely out of the energy released  (e=mc2) by burning the same amount of carbon. We wind up with C+O2+(X Energy units) -> CO2+(X+Y Energy Units), and (X+Y Energy Units) -> C, or C+O2 -> CO2+C+(Ever Increasing amount of energy). This leads to the perfect machine, leads to nuclear power being replaced with far more efficient self-perpetuating coal power, and causes some people to spontaneously combust.

And eventually the energy output is enough that we can spend the energy to separate the oxygen from the carbon again and still have a net profit.
I'm far too lazy to figure out how long this would take, but I do have to wonder if it wouldn't be more efficient to "increase the size of this pile of nuclear fuel by 1%," "increase the yield of this nuclear reactor by 1%," and occasionally "decrease the size of this pile of nuclear waste."
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 09:50:31 pm
I think the better approach is to help boost the solutions rather than attacking the problem.  For instance, taking 1% chunks out of HIV will help people, but will never eliminate the problem as your "1% less" gets less effective every time.  Making the drugs 1% more effective, or 1% more available, or increasing the research speed for new drugs against viruses in general by 1% every day for a year or so though would dramatically boost elimination efforts, and would keep getting better every time you used it.  If you got drug research up to, say, 10,000% of what it is now while also doing similar things to vaccine and drug effectiveness that means you'd also likely be free to address other problems, as new pathogens would likely be stamped out very rapidly by the incredibly quick drug responses.  I think this is the most efficient and sustainable way to fight the world's ills.

Good plan. I learned from RTS games that the best strategy is to research all the first tier of upgrades before doing the rest. Maybe increasing by 1% through a bunch of pertinent things (1% more peace, 1% less illness, 1% increased knowledge for all, 1% empathy) etc would work better than picking one single thing and jacking it right up. It would also help stop a bunch of unfortseen circumstances like if the world suddenly got 100% more peaceful and so there were no deaths which could cause a sort of apocalypse-type situation in itself via overpopulation.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Caz on December 10, 2014, 09:56:57 pm
Increase the speed of light by 1%, and increase energy output by... Some random high mass element rarely found on earth by 1% until you get extreme amounts?
That way quick interstellar travel becomes feasible!

Doesn't this just make time go faster so that it evens out in the end anyway?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cheeetar on December 10, 2014, 09:59:11 pm
I don't see why it would.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on December 10, 2014, 10:07:22 pm
I'd be very tempted to try to increase my chances of discovering the origin of this superpower within the month by 1% a few times until I figure it out or get bored trying.

 I tend to be the sort to wonder how things even happen.

That is impossible as you have no chance.

What you DO is DECREASE the chance you won't discover the origin of the super power by 1%. Since that is 100%.
You assume I don't have a chance to begin with. How do you know?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Moghjubar on December 10, 2014, 10:11:32 pm
Increase the bond angle between Hydrogen and Oxygen by 1%
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 10:24:13 pm
I'd be very tempted to try to increase my chances of discovering the origin of this superpower within the month by 1% a few times until I figure it out or get bored trying.

 I tend to be the sort to wonder how things even happen.

That is impossible as you have no chance.

What you DO is DECREASE the chance you won't discover the origin of the super power by 1%. Since that is 100%.
I'm not sure this would count as "modifying an existing quality," and if so I suspect it'd still be violating the spirit of the question. Similar to how you (probably) couldn't "decrease my mortality" to increase lifespan or "reduce my lack of wealth" to gain money.

Your inability to discover the origins of the power IS a quality that is quantifiable by a percent. You don't have something you lack, but you have the lacking.

Your "Lack of wealth" however isn't quantifiable.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 10, 2014, 10:27:51 pm
If given the chance, the first thing I'd do is wish for 1% of the world's total money as of 11:59:59 a.m., 19th of December of the year 2014 AD.
Doesn't work that way. Try again.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 10, 2014, 10:30:35 pm
If given the chance, the first thing I'd do is wish for 1% of the world's total money as of 11:59:59 a.m., 19th of December of the year 2014 AD.
Doesn't work that way. Try again.

Yep, I am the only one who found a way to get 1% of the world's money. Through stipulation!

Just decrease the world's money, excluding yourself, by 1% and you will gain 1% of the world's money!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 11, 2014, 12:28:15 am
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
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It is now



Joke answer- increase the amount of hydrogen in the sun by 1%


Real answer- increase amount of world total food production per farm by one percent
That would add quite a bit of food into the basket right?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 12:54:43 am
Can this power be "aimed"

That is to say, could I (for example) remove the richest 1% of the population?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 11, 2014, 01:00:38 am
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
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It is now



Joke answer- increase the amount of hydrogen in the sun by 1%


Real answer- increase amount of world total food production per farm by one percent
That would add quite a bit of food into the basket right?

You are aware we make enough food RIGHT NOW to feed the world right?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 01:05:47 am
Increase the efficiency of solar cells!

Decrease all profit margins!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 11, 2014, 01:06:31 am
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
[/quote
It is now



Joke answer- increase the amount of hydrogen in the sun by 1%


Real answer- increase amount of world total food production per farm by one percent
That would add quite a bit of food into the basket right?

You are aware we make enough food RIGHT NOW to feed the world right?
It's true, based on simple calorie calculations at least. It's a problem of distribution.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 11, 2014, 01:08:30 am
Decreasing the energy requirements of the human body by 1% might help fight starvation, though it would make things worse for those who overeat as the portions they consume would then be providing even more excess energy.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 01:12:35 am
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
[/quote
It is now



Joke answer- increase the amount of hydrogen in the sun by 1%


Real answer- increase amount of world total food production per farm by one percent
That would add quite a bit of food into the basket right?

You are aware we make enough food RIGHT NOW to feed the world right?

Decrease food prices!
Decrease poverty!
Increase chance of Monsanto execs dying in freak accidents!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 01:16:25 am
Oh, and I'd also decrease the duration for which intellectual property remains valid. I'd probably keep doing this for at least two weeks.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 11, 2014, 01:16:45 am
Quote
Decrease food prices!

You are aware this would cause a famine right?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 01:20:08 am
Quote
Decrease food prices!

You are aware this would cause a famine right?

This suggestion was predicated on your claim that there was more than enough to go around (with the accompanying implication that what starvation there is arises from poverty). Decrease the price and the surplus actually gets eaten by the people who need it but couldn't previously afford it.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 01:27:04 am
I'd decrease the lifespans of everybody involved with the MPAA and/or RIAA

And increase the lifespans of everybody who isn't either a stockholder in a major corporation, an objectivist, a religious fundamentalist, or a personal injury lawyer.

... what's wrong with personal injury lawyers? They sue insurance companies that refuse to pay their clients because they put their profits above fulfilling their obligations or human suffering. They don't make money unless their client gets what they're owed + enough to pay them.

Just to look at one aspect of what's wrong with them:

They're the reason why there aren't any diving boards, trampolines, or fun playground equipment anymore (which, in addition to being bad in and of itself, also contributes to the incidence of childhood obesity and is therefore the cause of widespread misery on several d9fferent levels),

...and that's just in the area of childhood recreation. There are similar issues in many other areas of life.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on December 11, 2014, 01:32:09 am
Relevant 1 (http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2014/12/04/0639-roundabout-i/)
Relevant 2 (http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2014/12/08/0640-roundabout-ii/)
The third one in the series is less relevant.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 11, 2014, 01:34:09 am
Quote
Decrease food prices!

You are aware this would cause a famine right?

This suggestion was predicated on your claim that there was more than enough to go around (with the accompanying implication that what starvation there is arises from poverty). Decrease the price and the surplus actually gets eaten by the people who need it but couldn't previously afford it.
In most places where there is famine, it's not so much that people cannot afford food, it's that there simply isn't much (or any) food around.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 01:37:09 am
Quote
Decrease food prices!

You are aware this would cause a famine right?

This suggestion was predicated on your claim that there was more than enough to go around (with the accompanying implication that what starvation there is arises from poverty). Decrease the price and the surplus actually gets eaten by the people who need it but couldn't previously afford it.
In most places where there is famine, it's not so much that people cannot afford food, it's that there simply isn't much (or any) food around.

Which side of the debate are you arguing for? I can't tell.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on December 11, 2014, 01:41:52 am
Obviously the solution is to increase food distribution  ::)
It's a problem of distribution.
This simple sentence. There's enough food, there's enough wealth, there's not enough distribution. And if there's not enough, it means it's quantified. Which means we can use the 1% superpower on it.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 11, 2014, 01:50:36 am
Quote
Decrease food prices!

You are aware this would cause a famine right?

This suggestion was predicated on your claim that there was more than enough to go around (with the accompanying implication that what starvation there is arises from poverty). Decrease the price and the surplus actually gets eaten by the people who need it but couldn't previously afford it.
In most places where there is famine, it's not so much that people cannot afford food, it's that there simply isn't much (or any) food around.

Which side of the debate are you arguing for? I can't tell.
When I say there's a problem with food distribution, I don't mean that all over the world there's a bunch of rich people that own all the food and don't let other people have any, I mean that a few countries produce so much food that their citizenry struggle against obesity, while there are other countries that, for various reasons, do not produce enough food to feed their people. Food is a difficult thing to export, due to its perishable nature.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 02:00:25 am
OK.

Decrease spoilage then.

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On an unrelated note, I'd also increase the world's supplies of gold and diamonds. I want to see them become worthless.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2014, 02:02:01 am
Your power can easily solve most of the problems the world faces, there's no need to be spiteful.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on December 11, 2014, 02:07:00 am
OK.

Decrease spoilage then.

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On an unrelated note, I'd also increase the world's supplies of gold and diamonds. I want to see them become worthless.

While it would make several people's fortunes/investments/jobs worthless (a major dick move), it might also remove the stranglehold of a certain diamond cartel from the governments of several countries and make gold and diamonds more widely available for industrial purposes (diamonds for all sorts of things, gold for electronics).
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 02:38:20 am
I'm sick of crackpots claiming that gold is the one true measure of value and find the very idea that there could even be such a thing - whether it be gold or anything else - offensive.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 02:42:37 am
Another good option would be to take a page from Futurama's playbook and make interstellar travel feasible by increasing the speed of light.

EDIT:
Another unrelated possibility:

Proportion of MPAA/RIAA scumbags who DON'T have ebola...decrease by 1%
Rinse and repeat.
Attempting to get SOPA passed was an unforgiveable sin.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 03:08:30 am
(Oops Triple post. Sorry!)

EDIT:
might as well fill this post with something since its here. Have any of you ever read the book Half Magic? It too deals with a theme relating to fantastic powers in smaller than optimal  proportions.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 11, 2014, 03:08:49 am
Food only is in abundance when prices are high because food is too cheap.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 11, 2014, 08:10:15 am
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
[/quote
It is now



Joke answer- increase the amount of hydrogen in the sun by 1%


Real answer- increase amount of world total food production per farm by one percent
That would add quite a bit of food into the basket right?

You are aware we make enough food RIGHT NOW to feed the world right?

Yes but the richer nations eat it all, if more food existed it would be cheaper and therefore be easier for the poor to get
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: miauw62 on December 11, 2014, 08:18:23 am
Make all earth on earth 1% more fertile?
Make all food spoil 1% slower?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 11, 2014, 08:26:13 am
Make all earth on earth 1% more fertile?
Make all food spoil 1% slower?
Increase the GDP of all countries by 1%?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 11, 2014, 08:56:11 am
Make all earth on earth 1% more fertile?
Make all food spoil 1% slower?
Increase the GDP of all countries by 1%?
In real terms, of course.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: miauw62 on December 11, 2014, 09:04:08 am
If you kill one percent of all people in a country, won't that increase the gdp by 1%? It IS per capita, after all.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 11, 2014, 09:13:33 am
the corn that we mostly grow for corn syrup
People grow corn specifically for a shitty waste product?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: martinuzz on December 11, 2014, 09:31:05 am
Shitty waste product? It's frigging fluid gold mate. </sarcasm>
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 11, 2014, 09:33:36 am
I meant by-product. I'm not sure is waste product is a synonym, if not then oops.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Gigaz on December 11, 2014, 10:10:16 am
At first I thought I'd wish for a decrease of the worl Gini coefficient by 1% by day but then I figured that if I decrease the 1000th root of the Gini coefficient, I get a much more dramatic effect.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on December 11, 2014, 10:25:07 am
I meant by-product. I'm not sure is waste product is a synonym, if not then oops.
No, it's not that either. Waste and by-products get thrown out.
They grow fake-corn specifically to make 'filler' with no nutritional values at all just to pad out how big a meal looks, similar to padding out an essay by adding extra long words.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 11, 2014, 10:40:42 am
At first I thought I'd wish for a decrease of the worl Gini coefficient by 1% by day but then I figured that if I decrease the 1000th root of the Gini coefficient, I get a much more dramatic effect.
Or you fuck up mathematics. One or the other.

I meant by-product. I'm not sure is waste product is a synonym, if not then oops.
No, it's not that either. Waste and by-products get thrown out.
They grow fake-corn specifically to make 'filler' with no nutritional values at all just to pad out how big a meal looks, similar to padding out an essay by adding extra long words.
I recall being told that corn syrup, at least originally, was just a way to get something from what would otherwise be waste, rather than setting out with the intention of producing it.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Naryar on December 11, 2014, 10:47:59 am
Increase toady's coding speed by 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on December 11, 2014, 10:49:26 am
And to accompany it, increase Tarn and Zach Adam's bug finding speed by 1%

Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 11, 2014, 10:52:40 am
...Increase toady's lifespan by 1%?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 11, 2014, 11:24:28 am
Increase Toady by 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 11, 2014, 11:37:51 am
Decrease entropy by 1%.

Seriously is this thread secretly the doom the universe thread?
[/quote
It is now



Joke answer- increase the amount of hydrogen in the sun by 1%


Real answer- increase amount of world total food production per farm by one percent
That would add quite a bit of food into the basket right?

You are aware we make enough food RIGHT NOW to feed the world right?

Yes but the richer nations eat it all, if more food existed it would be cheaper and therefore be easier for the poor to get
That's not how food works.


I think what people don't realize when they hear the phrase "We already produce enough food to feed the world" is that much of what we grow nowadays, while technically "food," is nothing more than a step in the industrial chain. For example, the corn that we mostly grow for corn syrup isn't exactly edible, but is still "corn" and therefore counted on those little statistical charts that easily make modern countries look like giant douches.

i know that but still if countries that grow rice (which is eaten by people and not just thrown into machines to make stuff for soda, most of the time) and they get 1% more production of rice, potatoes, beets (fuel i guess would be affected slightly), sugar cane (also affect fuel), wheat, etc


edible food would be effected and if a nation produced 100 tons of rice now it produces 101 tons of rice (and rice goes a long way)
i think it would have a significant impact
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MaximumZero on December 11, 2014, 11:51:58 am
Decrease the overall wealth disparity by 1% daily?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on December 11, 2014, 01:21:42 pm
Kill 1% of all sapient life in the universe? If exactly 1% of the human race doesn't drop dead, you've just proved the existence of aliens. And murdered a bunch of people, but hey, SCIENCE!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: i2amroy on December 11, 2014, 02:43:06 pm
So I've read through the thread and I've been thinking of all the ways that a jerkass genie could spoil some of these changes people are requesting. In order to prevent this, I've come up with some basic rules to maximize your power's efficiency while avoiding all jerkass genie messing up.

1) Always increase, never decrease.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
2) Work with the largest number possible.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
3) Work with the smallest group possible.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
4) Work with things that have an absolute maximum whenever possible
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Following these laws we can see that the best thing to do would be to pick a single aspect that is tied to a large group but is still non-zero (such as the overall % of citizens in a country to live to be over 100). After that we would rapidly focus on increasing that aspect until it hit its maximum (100%). After that we would then add one more group at a time, waiting for them to be maximized before adding another (which would take less and less time with each already maximized group you have). This would get maximum utility out of our power while locking down pretty much anything a jerkass genie could pull.

Of course if we have a friendly genie then why not go for the Human Development Index (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index)? That lets you simultaneously hit standards of living, life expectancy, and education.

Kill 1% of all sapient life in the universe? If exactly 1% of the human race doesn't drop dead, you've just proved the existence of aliens. And murdered a bunch of people, but hey, SCIENCE!
Or there is enough other sapients out there that you wipe out the entire human race, yourself included. :P
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Reelya on December 11, 2014, 03:12:36 pm
Well, now we genetically modify corn strands specifically so that they can be refined into the stuff.
That's a common way things go. Petroleum was originally a waste product too, as it was too volatile for 19th century lamps and stuff. The combustion engine was an attempt to give it a commerical use. Later, people started converting other useful stuff into the same product artificially. It just means the concept of "waste product" can change, new uses are thought up and the economics changes as a result.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 11, 2014, 03:26:21 pm
Increase by 1% the amount of species known to science, eventually you will have to find aliens after Earths biosphere is fully mapped.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: NAV on December 11, 2014, 04:23:21 pm
Increase time since the big bang by 1%. Enjoy new hovercar and/or post-apocalyptic wasteland.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 11, 2014, 04:30:32 pm
Increase time since the big bang by 1%. Enjoy new hovercar and/or post-apocalyptic wasteland.
That would be at least a few million years. Also you would probably be affected.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Reelya on December 11, 2014, 04:31:16 pm
Increase time since the big bang by 1%. Enjoy new hovercar and/or post-apocalyptic wasteland.

That wouldn't work. It would immediately shift to some future point, but all the people alive would have memories consistent with time not shifting (people would remember who invented the hovercars etc).
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Levi on December 11, 2014, 04:38:48 pm
Sticking with the 1% money increase value per day starting at 1000 still seems sanest to me.  In four years you could pretty much do anything you wanted.  In 6 years you'd be making 28 billion dollars per day.  Just got to make sure you specify value, so you don't cause inflation, and you'd probably be good.  I could probably solve all the worlds problems with 28 billion per day.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 11, 2014, 05:03:28 pm
Increase time since the big bang by 1%. Enjoy new hovercar and/or post-apocalyptic wasteland.

That wouldn't work. It would immediately shift to some future point, but all the people alive would have memories consistent with time not shifting (people would remember who invented the hovercars etc).

That and who's to say the earth is in the same part of the year after the skip
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Andrew425 on December 11, 2014, 06:39:20 pm
/I've sometimes thought of an alternative version of this if you only had 100% to give out. What would you do? What if you could only apply it to yourself? (10% smarter, 10% better looking, 56% stronger... etc)

Going to infinity is fun and all but I think it's a bit more interesting if you're constrained to a finite percentage.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on December 11, 2014, 07:23:09 pm
How to deal with genie:
1) Identify what you want to change.
2) Define function that measures how good the situation is according to the definition from 1).
3) Wish for 1% increase of function's value.

It's like wishing for HDI increase, but Jerkass Genie-proof and more general.

Sticking with the 1% money increase value per day starting at 1000 still seems sanest to me.  In four years you could pretty much do anything you wanted.  In 6 years you'd be making 28 billion dollars per day.  Just got to make sure you specify value, so you don't cause inflation, and you'd probably be good.  I could probably solve all the worlds problems with 28 billion per day.

Inflation, mate.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 11, 2014, 07:41:11 pm
Sticking with the 1% money increase value per day starting at 1000 still seems sanest to me.  In four years you could pretty much do anything you wanted.  In 6 years you'd be making 28 billion dollars per day.  Just got to make sure you specify value, so you don't cause inflation, and you'd probably be good.  I could probably solve all the worlds problems with 28 billion per day.

Inflation, mate.

That's why he went out of his way to specify "value" rather than "quantity", as in getting more for the same amount.

Of course, actually increasing the quantity of money probably would probably wouldn't do much either provided that no one knew about it.

[On a semi-related note, the only person harmed by counterfeit money is the poor schmuck who both realises that it's not real AND turns it in to the authorities (the same goes for passing off fool's gold as real gold)]
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Zrk2 on December 11, 2014, 07:45:50 pm
So this is just the "I love exponential relations" thread?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Karkov on December 11, 2014, 07:57:07 pm
Wouldn't it be logarithmic?  Unless you were solely increasing the percentage your power increased by every day.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 11, 2014, 08:05:20 pm
Of course, actually increasing the quantity of money probably would probably wouldn't do much either provided that no one knew about it.
The market forces can smell the guilt on your breath~
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 11, 2014, 08:07:28 pm
Whelp so I am glad I found out how to obtain super slightly less then 1% of the world's cash.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MDFification on December 11, 2014, 10:27:43 pm
Sticking with the 1% money increase value per day starting at 1000 still seems sanest to me.  In four years you could pretty much do anything you wanted.  In 6 years you'd be making 28 billion dollars per day.  Just got to make sure you specify value, so you don't cause inflation, and you'd probably be good.  I could probably solve all the worlds problems with 28 billion per day.

Inflation, mate.

That's why he went out of his way to specify "value" rather than "quantity", as in getting more for the same amount.

Of course, actually increasing the quantity of money probably would probably wouldn't do much either provided that no one knew about it.

[On a semi-related note, the only person harmed by counterfeit money is the poor schmuck who both realises that it's not real AND turns it in to the authorities (the same goes for passing off fool's gold as real gold)]

Well, them and everyone else who uses that currency because the counterfeit money decreases the comparative value of their money. One guy isn't going to have a noticeable affect on the system, but they add up.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 11, 2014, 11:45:58 pm
So this is just the "I love exponential relations" thread?
Wouldn't it be logarithmic?  Unless you were solely increasing the percentage your power increased by every day.


Well I've been studying for two math class finals this week and these are the two things I last wanted to hear mentioned on bay12, one of the more relaxing things in my life..... Even worse you both heat one math class each

I'm done with this thread for awhile now
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2014, 11:50:44 pm
It is exponential, if you increase something for N days you'll end up with that thing 1.01^N times bigger than it was before.  A logarithmic power would be strange to say the least, but maybe interesting (for a start you'd only be able to apply it to unitless values like ratios).
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Quartz_Mace on December 12, 2014, 12:25:10 am
Could I turn back the amount of time the universe has existed by 1%?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Leafsnail on December 12, 2014, 12:34:01 am
Pretty sure that would result in a billion year time loop or something.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 12, 2014, 12:37:49 am
Pretty sure that would result in a billion year time loop or something.
HOW DO WE KEEP FIGURING OUT NEW WAYS TO END THE UNIVERSE?!?!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Reelya on December 12, 2014, 12:49:47 am
Wouldn't it be logarithmic?  Unless you were solely increasing the percentage your power increased by every day.

Quote
An exponential relation has the form

y = ax

a is 1.01 and x is the number of days that you do the specific power for. That is exponential.

We can rejig a lot of the power statements by rewording increases as decreases or vice versa. e.g. say you have "decrease the percentage of people living in poverty by 1%". By most definitions, the majority of people do not live in poverty. Call it 1/3 worldwide. So it's a 1% decrease of 1/3 of the population. But you could have said "increase the percentage of people not living in poverty by 1%", which is double the effect.

Note though, that this could be like badly worded wishes. e.g., a massive ebola breakout would in fact work wonders to achieve the decrease in the percentage of poor people.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MaximumZero on December 12, 2014, 01:38:50 am
By most definitions, the majority of people do not live in poverty. Call it 1/3 worldwide.
The vast majority of people worldwide live on less than $10/day. (http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats) There's a lot of poverty to go around.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: fivex on December 12, 2014, 02:08:11 am
"Decrease by 1% the probability of {event} NOT happening and this probability resetting each nanosecond"
This means that {event} has a >99.9999% chance of happening each nanosecond.
{event} can be something as extreme as "me becoming omnipotent"
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 12, 2014, 02:14:02 am
"Decrease by 1% the probability of {event} NOT happening and this probability resetting each nanosecond"
This means that {event} has a >99.9999% chance of happening each nanosecond.
{event} can be something as extreme as "me becoming omnipotent"
You need to rephrase that.

"Decrease by 1% the probability of X NOT happening per nanosecond."

The good news is that we now have a definitive way to accelerate the possibility of the discovery of FTL travel within the next 364 days.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Quartz_Mace on December 12, 2014, 04:15:46 pm
Pretty sure that would result in a billion year time loop or something.
HOW DO WE KEEP FIGURING OUT NEW WAYS TO END THE UNIVERSE?!?!
Because there are just so many.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Neonivek on December 12, 2014, 05:46:14 pm
Ahhh finally someone caught into my decrease trick!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 12, 2014, 11:20:13 pm
The good news is that we now have a definitive way to accelerate the possibility of the discovery of FTL travel within the next 364 days.

Or we could just raise the speed of light like they did on Futurama
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Leafsnail on December 12, 2014, 11:38:57 pm
Yeah it would be pretty interesting to watch the universe collapse.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 13, 2014, 01:01:08 am
Increase Americas daily spending by 1%
Watch as dept rises slowly
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 13, 2014, 01:10:55 am
Increase the combined morality of the human race by 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 13, 2014, 01:19:19 am
Increase the combined morality of the human race by 1%.

...good luck measuring morality?
It's still a better idea than tampering with the laws of physics.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 01:22:41 am
Ok, then let's forget about both of those and go simpler...

What if we made everyone's johnson bigger?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 13, 2014, 01:26:25 am
Decrease the speed of light by 1%
Now particles exist that can go faster than the speed of light and the universe collapses in on itself
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 13, 2014, 01:28:00 am
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Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 13, 2014, 01:29:38 am
We hu would they slow down? Nothing's stopping them
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: penguinofhonor on December 13, 2014, 01:30:59 am
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Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 13, 2014, 01:38:53 am
Or is it
Since the speed of light has now changed

Or in that case does time also slow down since (IIRC a science show said that time is caused by light..... Not sure how much I believe it)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 01:52:33 am
Or in that case does time also slow down since (IIRC a science show said that time is caused by light..... Not sure how much I believe it)

Time isn't a force, it's a dimension. Electromagnetism is what's caused by light.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on December 13, 2014, 02:42:38 am
I assume he's referring to relativity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity).
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on December 13, 2014, 02:44:47 am
I assume he's referring to relativity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity).
I think that's it

I forget, I'm tired .-.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on December 13, 2014, 05:38:39 am
Changing the speed of light would also change a lot of other fundamental constants which are heavily linked to it, change the chemical properties of many heavy elements (since their chemical properties heavily rely on outer electrons being affected by relativity), and generally fuck things for everyone.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: miauw62 on December 13, 2014, 10:42:07 am
Hey, at least decreasing the speed of light decreases the power of nukes :P (and makes nuclear power less efficient, but hey)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on December 13, 2014, 11:05:22 am
what would increasinng the speed of light when not used by the energy equation by 1% do to wreck to universe?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: andrea on December 13, 2014, 11:08:27 am
Disjoining them would probably mean changing the fundamental laws of the universe, so results would be highly unpredictable.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 11:16:31 am
If we changed the speed of light just in one specific part of the universe we could create perpetual motion (E=MC^2 so if C varies by place;2 them we can get an unusually large amount of energy from a given unit of mass in some regions and an unusually large mass from a given quantity of energy in other regions. We could increase the quantity by moving it back and forth between the regions and converting it in each.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 13, 2014, 12:29:09 pm
How to solve the world's energy problems in under two weeks:
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 03:57:56 pm
Number of intact load-bearing structures in every NSA, CIA, DEA, DHS, and Defense Department* building : Decrease by 1%

*(as well as these organizations' equivalents in China, Russia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, Japan, and Australia, as well as all dictatorships, monarchies, and theocracies)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on December 13, 2014, 06:30:30 pm
Increase armlessness by 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on December 13, 2014, 07:32:21 pm
Increase armlessness by 1%.
Is this to accomplish anything, or just to watch people suddenly have no arms?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on December 13, 2014, 07:36:02 pm
Increase armlessness by 1%.
Is this to accomplish anything, or just to watch people suddenly have no arms?

Mostly just for the lulz.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 07:45:38 pm
Government finds you have these powers. The odds of your survival drop as they dissect you.

Well destroying them would probably be the first thing I'd do with these powers anyway; the intelligence and military sectors at any rate.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sirus on December 13, 2014, 07:47:12 pm
Government finds you have these powers. The odds of your survival drop as they dissect you.

Well destroying them would probably be the first thing I'd do with these powers anyway; the intelligence and military sectors at any rate.
How, exactly? "Reduce the size of X country's military by 1%"? I'm guessing the powers that be might figure something's going on.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 08:03:16 pm
Government finds you have these powers. The odds of your survival drop as they dissect you.

Well destroying them would probably be the first thing I'd do with these powers anyway; the intelligence and military sectors at any rate.
How, exactly? "Reduce the size of X country's military by 1%"? I'm guessing the powers that be might figure something's going on.

Decrease the amount of intact load-bearing structures in intelligence buildings
Decrease the proportion of the world's officers and spies who do not have ebola, (or cancer, or walking ghost syndrome, or whatever)
Decrease defense spending
Decrease the number of republican officials who don't have deadly diseases
Increase the number of people who have forgotten 9/11
Decrease security at intelligence agencies
Decrease the per-building chance of intelligence and military buildings not burning to the ground on any given day.
Decrease the Pentagon's altitude relative to the surface of the moon
Decrease amount of NSA operatives who don't suffer from cluster headaches
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sirus on December 13, 2014, 09:11:12 pm
So your solution is to cause widespread death and destruction? Congratulations, you're a supervillain.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on December 13, 2014, 09:22:24 pm
Decrease the amount of effort being put into capturing you by the government.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 13, 2014, 10:21:16 pm
So your solution is to cause widespread death and destruction? Congratulations, you're a supervillain.

Solving the dissection thing is just a bonus, its more about these organizations being out of control and needing to be reined in.

So more like a dark superhero from an Alan Moore comic. "V" from V For Vendetta comes to mind.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MDFification on December 14, 2014, 12:05:23 pm
Increase the combined morality of the human race by 1%.

...good luck measuring morality?

Congratulations, everyone now conforms to Aztec morality. We're sacrificing 10% of the population to ensure the sun doesn't go out now!

But seriously, moral relativism.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arx on December 14, 2014, 02:18:19 pm
Why not conduct some experiments on the nature of morality?

"Make one percent of the population objectively moral."
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on December 14, 2014, 04:12:47 pm
Making everyone smarter would be another good option.

Increasing the efficiency of solar cells would be a good thing to do too.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 14, 2014, 04:16:06 pm
Why bother with solar cells, when you can create a perpetual motion machine as I described last page?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Baffler on December 14, 2014, 04:19:32 pm
Why bother with solar cells, when you can create a perpetual motion machine as I described last page?

Because that wouldn't work. You'd go from 90% efficiency to 90.9%, and so on, approaching but never reaching 100% efficiency.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: IcyTea31 on December 14, 2014, 04:31:04 pm
90%
90,9%
91,809%
~92,727%
~93,654%
~94,591%
~95,537%
~96,492%
~97,457%
~98,432%
~99,416%
~100,41%

11 days, or is my math wrong? Why wouldn't it reach 100%? By the laws of physics, sure, but since when have superpowers followed those?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arx on December 15, 2014, 04:07:47 am
I think you're right, and Baffler confused "Improve efficiency by 1%" with "Make efficiency 1% closer to 100%". I think.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bohandas on February 15, 2015, 03:14:47 am
So your solution is to cause widespread death and destruction? Congratulations, you're a supervillain.

Solving the dissection thing is just a bonus, its more about these organizations being out of control and needing to be reined in.

So more like a dark superhero from an Alan Moore comic. "V" from V For Vendetta comes to mind.

Now that I think of it though, he was vivisected, wasn't he?

------------------------------------------
Anyway, back on topic, could we remove a specific 1%. Like, could we remove the political influence of the richest 1% of the american people?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sergarr on February 15, 2015, 03:17:05 am
holy necro batman!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 15, 2015, 04:04:59 am
Increase the likelihood of this thread being derailed by 1% per day.

How long would it take us to figure out something's up? :P
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on February 15, 2015, 07:52:35 am
Anyway, back on topic, could we remove a specific 1%. Like, could we remove the political influence of the richest 1% of the american people?
Nope, you could remove 1% of their power, or power of 1% of them, or 1% of all power, or 1% of the people. Not 100% of a 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: SirQuiamus on February 15, 2015, 08:51:09 am
1. Decrease muzzle velocity and increase drag coefficient of all weapon projectiles everywhere.

2. Laugh when bullets flop to the ground and artillerymen blow themselves up with their own grenades (...and good luck trying to launch those ICBMs).
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Donuts on February 15, 2015, 09:19:44 am
(...and good luck trying to launch those ICBMs).
So... you basically want to turn the entire world into North Korea?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: SirQuiamus on February 15, 2015, 09:38:22 am
Ah, so DPRK has finally run out of bullets, has it? It's only a matter of time before the citizens start using advanced weapons technology. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treehouse_of_Horror_II)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 15, 2015, 10:57:56 am
Decrease America's national debt by 1% a day
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on February 15, 2015, 11:02:27 am
Debt is just a number - all you'd accomplish is deflation coupled with stealing from everyone but the US government.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 15, 2015, 12:07:19 pm
Maybe I think the IS dollar needs to be deflated :p
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Bauglir on February 15, 2015, 12:46:18 pm
the IS dollar
Cryxis confirmed for terrorist
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 15, 2015, 02:11:24 pm
...... I officially hate my keyboard
US!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Itnetlolor on February 15, 2015, 02:17:47 pm
Change the value of 1% by 1%. It'll drive everyone mad. It doesn't matter which way the value moves.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 15, 2015, 10:04:44 pm
Decrease amount of CO2 in the atmosphere by 1%.

That'll take less than a year to get the stuff down to pre-industrial levels, and can be used every once in a while as needed after you get it down until we've weaned ourselves off fossil fuels. (Reduce the deviation of current climate behavior from the pre-industrial standard by 1% for a while to reverse any points of no return we may have crossed, too. You probably can't eliminate the effects of global warming entirely, but you would be able to turn it into nothing more than the odd freak heat wave, which would be mostly harmless.)

It sure sounds like going after various social metrics is the way to go, but there might be some nasty side-effects because of how quickly things would change. For example, if you used your power to decrease the Gini index of the United States, it would take you about a month and a half to get down to the level of Sweden or Denmark. Doing so would also entail one of the world's biggest and fastest wealth redistribution programs, and probably crash a lot of financial markets. You might end up worse off than before.

I'm having trouble thinking of a bad side-effect of increasing HDI, however. Sub-Saharan Africa still hasn't hit 0.500, and even just bringing it up to the level of Brazil (about 0.75) would do a massive amount of good in less than two months. Bringing the entire world (0.702) up to Canada level would take less than a month. (As a side note, looking at this infographic (http://hdr.undp.org/en/countries) gives you a good idea of just how far not just the developing but also the developed world has come in the past three and a half decades. Brazil in 2015 has a higher HDI than the UK did in 1980.

(Nobody's hit an HDI of greater than 1 yet, but it's not actually impossible! The benchmarks for an HDI of 1 are a life expectancy of 85 years, a GDP per capita of $75,000, and 18 years of schooling on average. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a country hit 1.00 within the next half century. With our magical power, we could hit that benchmark within two months.)

Increasing the IQ of the human race could be useful. I would worry about the economic fallout, since transforming the average human's lifestyle from that of a factory worker making $3000 in Mumbai to a PhD student living in the Bay Area is almost certainly going to have some side effects. (Of course, we could just incrementally increase the stability of the world economy, which would get rid of any nasty recessions within a month or two, assuming you could measure it.)

The whole point is this: six months with this power and you've solved pretty much all of humanity's biggest problems. After you're finished with that, keep yourself young forever and increase the value of your trust fund by 1% a day. (Such a trust fund would have an annual return on investment of 3678%. Might want to shortcut your path to obscene wealth by working for Wall Street.) After that, you're kind of stuck with doing things for shits and giggles.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 15, 2015, 10:11:10 pm
You know, increasing HDI could just decrease the standards of HDI... that's the problem with using metrics like that instead of something physical to change.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 15, 2015, 10:20:11 pm
You know, increasing HDI could just decrease the standards of HDI... that's the problem with using metrics like that instead of something physical to change.

Doubtful. The beauty and fallibility of HDI both lie in its simplicity. It's just a composite measure of three numbers: average life expectancy, GDP per capita, and years spent in school. The first is impossible to fake, the second is difficult to fake if you use a benchmark currency to measure GDP (this is susceptible to stuff like exchange rates that have more to do with economic (mis)management than quality of life, but it's still a useful way to compare economic development), and the third is...well, honestly not the most cut-and-dried metric, but it still tells you something, since every kid in school is a kid who's not working in a factory, even if the schools aren't very good.

There are downsides to this! HDI tells you nothing about gender equality, corruption, political instability, freedom of expression, or all sorts of other important things. These influence HDI indirectly, but not absolutely, and it's definitely possible for a highly developed country to be a totalitarian hermit state (Cuba), ridiculously corrupt (Argentina, southern Italy), or disgustingly misogynistic (Saudi Arabia). But that's kind of the point- those are more abstract and difficult to measure. HDI is simplistic, but it uses a standard that can be applied everywhere.

There might be even quicker and less disruptive ways to develop the world en masse. If you think of world GDP as a function over time, then the total amount of assets in the world is the integral of that function. XKCD (http://xkcd.com/980/huge/#x=-11408&y=-7086&z=5) informs us that the estimated total value of humanity's liquid assets was about $77 trillion- and that was in 2011; let's say it's about $85 trillion or so at the current moment.

Increasing the size of the world's liquid assets by 1% would give you a check for about $850 billion dollars a day, which would buy you pretty much any public works project you needed. If it were distributed evenly, it would be about a $120 check for every person on the planet today. Hello, basic income. (You can always use your powers to keep a lid on inflation if you need to. I'm not an economist and have no idea how much inflation this would cause.)

I'm starting to think this would make a good movie. Being able to magic up $850 billion a day gives you wealth on a scale that makes John D. Rockefeller look like a Bangladeshi street child, and with godlike wealth comes unbelievable power. There'd have to be some catch, though. Maybe the protagonist forgets about inflation and turns the world into Weimar Germany by accident?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 16, 2015, 12:00:53 am
Wouldn't decreasing the amount of CO2 just thin the atmosphere and cause more harm that good? And eventualy kill plant life from levels being too low and then over oxygenate the whole place?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 16, 2015, 12:03:02 am
Wouldn't decreasing the amount of CO2 just thin the atmosphere and cause more harm that good? And eventualy kill plant life from levels being too low and then over oxygenate the whole place?

No. CO2 is an extremely potent greenhouse gas, but it doesn't take up very much of the atmosphere- less than 1%. We only need to get it back to preindustrial levels, and as far as thinning the amount of gas in the atmosphere, it would probably be the equivalent of walking up a small hill, if that.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 16, 2015, 12:06:16 am
Doesn't answer the second bit
With no CO2 or just very little won't a lot of plant life die off? Then when plants die we die because there is nothing to tear the carbon off the oxygen for us to use it again
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 16, 2015, 12:07:14 am
Doesn't answer the second bit
With no CO2 or just very little won't a lot of plant life die off? Then when plants die we die because there is nothing to tear the carbon off the oxygen for us to use it again

We're not getting rid of all the CO2 in the atmosphere. We're just resetting it back to 280 ppm or so, which is the level it was at before the Industrial Revolution.

Plants will be fine. Every single plant on the planet today evolved to live in an atmosphere with 280 ppm of CO2.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 16, 2015, 12:10:37 am
Ok
What eill you switch the 1% to after that?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: FearfulJesuit on February 16, 2015, 12:15:57 am
Ok
What eill you switch the 1% to after that?

That's the question! I've outlined a method by which the owner of this power could, within six months, eliminate humanity's most pressing problems, make the entire world as stable and prosperous as Canada or Sweden, and spend eternity living on the fortunes of a hundred Croesoi. What do you do then?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 16, 2015, 09:12:25 am
Increase awesome
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Blargityblarg on February 16, 2015, 10:26:50 am
Decrease rules lawyering regarding percentage-based superpowers by 1%.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 16, 2015, 11:36:31 am
-snip-
I somehow very much doubt that average life expectancy (units?), GDP per capita, AND years spent in education could ever sum up to a number less than 1, anywhere.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arx on February 16, 2015, 11:41:07 am
That's why it's a measure, not a sum.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Culise on February 16, 2015, 11:45:31 am
But it is worth noting that it has already been redefined fairly recently for official reports compiled from 2010 on (GDP measures were recalibrated, and the education index redefined from a measure of literacy and enrollment to instead measure years of schooling); annual "redefinitions" that result in a net 1% change would not be beyond the realm of possibility. 
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 16, 2015, 12:37:04 pm
Increase amount of barrels filled with oil on earth's surface by 1%
Let the oceanic scavenger hunts begin
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on February 16, 2015, 06:49:12 pm
Croesoi
Finally another friend of the creative pluralization!

Decrease number of humans that are not me by 1%. It may be gruesome, but it would be a fairly straightforward way of solving most environmental issues.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 16, 2015, 07:04:49 pm
That's why it's a measure, not a sum.
Yet not a perfectly direct measure, so it could be possible that whatever process is followed to get the HDI is changed.

Culise probably understands how it works better than me so I'll say that's a possibility too.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: bahihs on February 16, 2015, 07:14:52 pm
Increase the number of people that have this power in the world by 1%. It might backfire, but it should be interesting nonetheless.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cthulhu on February 16, 2015, 08:02:38 pm
Decrease the strong nuclear force by 1%

#yolo
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on February 17, 2015, 01:19:13 am
six months with this power and you've solved pretty much all of humanity's biggest problems

Or exterminated the human race, and possibly all life in the entire universe too, depending on who in this thread had the superpower.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Itnetlolor on February 17, 2015, 01:43:49 am
Decrease molecular stability of all materials by 1%. Have fun slowly melting.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 17, 2015, 02:10:17 am
Increase the average lifespan of human beings by 1% per day, compounded daily.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: SirQuiamus on February 17, 2015, 05:57:00 am
Decrease number of humans that are not me by 1%. It may be gruesome, but it would be a fairly straightforward way of solving most environmental issues.
The jerk-ass genie might interpret that as "decrease percentage of humans that are not me," and suddenly there would be a lot more of you.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on February 17, 2015, 07:21:23 am
Decrease number of humans that are not me by 1%. It may be gruesome, but it would be a fairly straightforward way of solving most environmental issues.
The jerk-ass genie might interpret that as "decrease percentage of humans that are not me," and suddenly there would be a lot more of you.

It doesn't even need reinterpretation, it's a completely valid way of solving the request with the phrasing. The analogous increase request would be 'increase the number of humans that are me by 1%'.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2015, 11:41:56 am
Build a nuclear reactor that uses less than 1% of it's fuel per week, then "increase the fuel in this reactor by 1%", alternating with "increase the fuel capacity of this reactor by 1%" and "increase the safety rating of this reactor by 1%".

In less than a year you'll  have doubled it's energy output, and it won't ever use up any fuel if you keep up the first command.

"decrease the time between uses of this power by 1%" would also be useful. After a month you can make two 1% wishes a day.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 17, 2015, 11:48:14 am
What do you do with all it's waste?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 17, 2015, 11:52:20 am
Change the first command to "decrease the proportion of the [MASS] of fuel in the reactor that has already reacted".
I can't see any loopholes in there anyway.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2015, 11:53:07 am
Eject it into space?

But to solve real problems,
Decrease the number of drug adicts by 1%
Decrease the availability of drugs by 1%
Decrease the number of fatalities per day by 1%
Increase the space inhabitable by humans in the next five ten years by 1% (to solve overpopulation; since space colonies are about to start, this won't erase oceans.)
Decrease the waste created in nuclear reactions by 1%
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 17, 2015, 11:54:57 am
Decrease availability of drugs eh? :P

Also to counteract the fatalities one you may also want to decrease birth rates, otherwise you get a population that is increasing faster than we can really deal with.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 17, 2015, 12:00:43 pm
Increase production of rocket fuels by 1%
Increase energy density of rocket fuels by 1%
Increase each space programs' budgets by 1%
Increase efficiency of lightweight radiation/heat shielding materials by 1%
Increase radiation shielding offered by martian atmosphere by 1%
Convert 1% of CO2 in martian atmosphere into 02 (drop the carbon in the soil as part of a chemically inert compound. Whatevs mate)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on February 17, 2015, 12:07:01 pm
Decrease the number of drug adicts by 1%

You have now caused a genocide.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 17, 2015, 12:54:21 pm
Maybe decress everyone's addiction to drugs by 1%?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 17, 2015, 01:38:37 pm
At least 1% of drug addicts is less than 1% of everyone. And that's about as optimistic as it gets when you're removing people.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: wierd on February 17, 2015, 01:42:20 pm
No. 100% of humans are addicted to dopamine. When you shoot drugs, you arent usually feeling "good" because of the drug, so much as the drug's influence on dopamine levels. (Some caveats apply-- some drugs simulate dopamine in the brain.)

Just like with genies, be careful what you wish for.

Now, to participate:

1% more politicians to work ethically and honestly.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 17, 2015, 01:52:12 pm
(( this power doesn't work when applied to zero :p ))
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on February 17, 2015, 02:03:41 pm
No. 100% of humans are addicted to dopamine. When you shoot drugs, you arent usually feeling "good" because of the drug, so much as the drug's influence on dopamine levels. (Some caveats apply-- some drugs simulate dopamine in the brain.)

Inaccurate. Drugs - legal or illegal - do not, generally, work directly. Caffeine for example, does cause an increase in cAMP levels (among others, the stimulatory effect is something else) - but it does so by inhibiting the natural mechanism by which it is degradated. Which you have mentioned, but implied it's a rare thing.

It's the *primary* way drugs work - it doesn't matter if it's stimulation of synthesis, inhibition of degradation, increase in sensitivity to the target chemical or whatever. You could actually inject pure Dopamine, it's available commercially, though presumably not to anyone who walks in and demands it.

Neurochemistry is also *far* more complex than loldopamine. Dopamine is responsible for *seeking out* the stimulus, primarily, which is not the same thing as the stimulus being pleasurable.

And while we're at it, a lot of drugs aren't even dopaminergics - weed, notably, is a serotonergic, so is pretty much most of psychedelics. LSD is both dopaminergic and serotonergic, but it's very rare in that regard.

Typical dopaminergics, such as meth or cocaine, are indeed highly addictive, but so are opiates - which are not dopaminergics.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on February 17, 2015, 04:47:09 pm
Weed is serotonergic? I thought THC acted as a partial agonist on the various cannabinoid receptors...
Decrease the waste created in nuclear reactions by 1%
1) Decrease the amount of matter left after fission of a U-235 nucleus by 1%.
2) Apply E=mc2
3) ???
4) Profit!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2015, 04:58:33 pm
The jerkass genie would ignore thermodynamics.

Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: scrdest on February 17, 2015, 05:10:41 pm
Weed is serotonergic? I thought THC acted as a partial agonist on the various cannabinoid receptors...

Yeah, I stand corrected. There's a lot of misinformation on that and my fact-checking 1337 skillz failed me. As far as the better-known ones go, mescaline and psilocybin are serotonergics.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: bahihs on February 17, 2015, 05:16:14 pm
Increase by 1% the distribution of intelligent unique species life in the solar system;
Increase by 1% the amount of lithium currently available on Earth (rechargeable batteries for everyone!)
Increase by 1% the amount of energy produced by solar power
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 17, 2015, 07:25:40 pm
Increase by 1% the amount of lithium currently available on Earth (rechargeable batteries for everyone!)

‼lithium‼ for all!
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Antioch on February 17, 2015, 07:36:12 pm
Decrease the amount of territory IS holds by 1% every day.
Decrease the amount of members of IS by 1% every day.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 17, 2015, 08:26:52 pm
Depends who you define as members of IS and what you define as IS territory doesn't it? I'm sure that depending who you ask you could well be killing a sizeable chunk of Earth's population every day.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 17, 2015, 09:37:21 pm
Those who proclaim themselves as members
Territory that they control as a group
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: bahihs on February 17, 2015, 10:44:11 pm
Increase the amount of statistical error in scientific experiments by 1% (for the lulz)
Increase the amount of enlightened people in the world by 1%
Increase the mass of the sun by 1% (Let them hate me, as long as they fear me)

Decrease the amount of harmful genetic mutations in humans by 1% (or, increase the amount of useful genetic mutations by 1%)

Here's a thought, the difference between a chimp's genome and a human's genome is about 1% but this results in an enormous difference in intellect. What if you increase that gap by 1% in a "positive" direction?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Zrk2 on February 18, 2015, 12:17:11 am
Increase the amount of enlightened people in the world by 1%

But what are they enlightened by?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 18, 2015, 12:25:20 am
Sunlight.

Increase the amount of all toxic substances humans must ingest to suffer negative health effects from those toxins by 1% (you must now consume 101% the normal doctor-recommended dose of lead/mercury/alcohol/whatever to kill yourself! Hurray!)
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on February 18, 2015, 12:41:47 am
Sunlight.

Increase the amount of all toxic substances humans must ingest to suffer negative health effects from those toxins by 1% (you must now consume 101% the normal doctor-recommended dose of lead/mercury/alcohol/whatever to kill yourself! Hurray!)
Somewhere, an assassination plot failed miserably and no one knows why.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: MaximumZero on February 18, 2015, 01:06:50 am
Every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities, though. The dose makes the poison.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Antioch on February 18, 2015, 07:35:58 am

Even if you apply this to money you get crazy payouts. 1% a day is 35% a month. Meaning your wealth multiplies by 37.8 times every year.



Actually everything you increase is 37.8 times as large after one year.....
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 18, 2015, 05:40:02 pm
Every substance is toxic in sufficient quantities, though. The dose makes the poison.

True, but that has no ill effects on the intended result.

Sadly, it is not the only issue to consider with this... You can't overdose on your medication now, but if it was supposed to work by interfering with some process of the body, it will now be a really expensive placebo. Damn tired me!

Thankfully, antibiotics still work; the bacteria still die; they are not human, but you won't.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on February 18, 2015, 06:49:34 pm
Has anyone thought about applying this power to the day itself?
'Decrease time in a day by 1%.'
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: That Wolf on February 18, 2015, 07:36:24 pm
Increase my killing power by one% and become a badass fucking killing machine running at 101% power with the goals in mind to kill all the life extenders and cowards of death, quickly bringing them what they hide from.
I would only need the one percent. I would forsake it after using it once.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Stop testing us lord bucket.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on February 18, 2015, 07:58:19 pm
Hehe, or even 'Increase 1 by one percent'. Mathematics would be screeeewed.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on February 18, 2015, 08:54:18 pm
Increase the value of pi by 1% would be even better.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: WillowLuman on February 18, 2015, 09:11:53 pm
I have a feeling changes involving numbers would be retroactive. It changes the structure of the universe, and so everything derived from that suddenly experiences things like they've already been that way.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on February 18, 2015, 09:32:40 pm
Increase the strength of the gravitational force by 1%.

THAT would fuck shit up. And then some.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 18, 2015, 11:33:07 pm
1% more oxygen in atmosphere, might take awhile before fires get dangerous
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 19, 2015, 07:44:09 pm
Increase the number of human-inhabilted planets by 1%

Within three months that's 2 planets, and past 35 planets in a year.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 19, 2015, 08:31:16 pm
Increase the number of human-inhabilted planets by 1%

Within three months that's 2 planets, and past 35 planets in a year.

Now would that mean humans are spontaneously appearing on inhabitable planets, we vastly speed up colonizing planets, or planets with humans are spontaneously appearing?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Criptfeind on February 19, 2015, 09:32:43 pm
How would that actually work when there are 1.01 inhabited planets?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Zanzetkuken The Great on February 19, 2015, 09:49:15 pm
How would that actually work when there are 1.01 inhabited planets?

Enroute?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 19, 2015, 10:34:48 pm
Meteorites with earthy stuff in em colliding maybe?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Itnetlolor on February 19, 2015, 10:38:47 pm
Maybe an astronaut had to rub one out in space, and the (lack of) gravity took over, with random chance that a planet got a sample of humanity.

But your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on February 20, 2015, 11:09:57 am
Increase the number of human-inhabilted planets by 1%

Within three months that's 2 planets, and past 35 planets in a year.
Now would that mean humans are spontaneously appearing on inhabitable planets, we vastly speed up colonizing planets, or planets with humans are spontaneously appearing?
I'm not the mysterious power that's granting these, so I don't make the rules.
Same as how you can change things that should be impossible to change by definition (like pi).
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Antioch on February 21, 2015, 05:50:21 pm
How would that actually work when there are 1.01 inhabited planets?

par-time inhabitation?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: King Kravoka on February 21, 2015, 06:17:59 pm
A better idea is to increase the amount of inhabitable planets within 30 lightyears by 1%.

Although it would be interesting to see the long term results of the human thing.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: nomoetoe on February 22, 2015, 11:00:23 pm
increase the size of jupiter by 1%. or would it be mass, or diameter, all three?

Would be interesting.

Increase the walrus population by 1%.

Heh. c:
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 23, 2015, 12:03:46 am
Increase amount of Hydrogen in sun by 1%
Decrease amount of helium in sun by 1%
It shall stay forever young
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Arcvasti on February 23, 2015, 12:38:03 am
Increase rate of spontaneous human combustion by 1%

Decrease lack of magic by 1%

Decrease infinity by 1%
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Cryxis, Prince of Doom on February 27, 2015, 06:16:49 pm
I don't think values of zero and infinite can be affected by percentage changes
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: nomoetoe on February 27, 2015, 07:33:40 pm
Exactly, how can you decrease infinity? ITS INFINITE you can't reduce infinity because 100% of infinity is the same as 1% of infinity, I don't think infinity can even have a percentage. D:
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Radio Controlled on February 27, 2015, 08:05:46 pm
Exactly, how can you decrease infinity? ITS INFINITE you can't reduce infinity because 100% of infinity is the same as 1% of infinity, I don't think infinity can even have a percentage. D:

1%=0,01
infinity*0,01=infinity

As far as I know on the top of my head.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on February 27, 2015, 09:52:58 pm
Its utterly redundant.

Increase average size of domestic chickens by 1%.

The chicken apocalypse is coming.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: nomoetoe on February 27, 2015, 09:57:09 pm
That actually sounds quite terrifying, especially since there's an enormous amount of domestic chickens in existence.

increase the rate at which mars spins by 1%. why? I think it would be amusing.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Culise on March 01, 2015, 11:28:41 pm
Increase amount of Hydrogen in sun by 1%
Decrease amount of helium in sun by 1%
It shall stay forever young
Wouldn't this eventually result in the early expansion of the sun due to the net influx of mass?  There's more hydrogen than helium in the Sun, so the mass added by the increase of hydrogen by 1% would be greater than the mass removed by the decrease of helium by 1%. 
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: FearfulJesuit on March 01, 2015, 11:32:13 pm
That actually sounds quite terrifying, especially since there's an enormous amount of domestic chickens in existence.

increase the rate at which mars spins by 1%. why? I think it would be amusing.

Increase atmospheric pressure of Mars by 1%...using a combination of CFCs, methane, and CO₂.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: flabort on March 01, 2015, 11:43:20 pm
That actually sounds quite terrifying, especially since there's an enormous amount of domestic chickens in existence.

increase the rate at which mars spins by 1%. why? I think it would be amusing.

Increase atmospheric pressure of Mars by 1%...using a combination of CFCs, methane, and CO₂.
Sounds like a great place to grow cacti. Hmmm...

First increase the chance someone will launch a container of any size full of plants (in a rocket) to mars whether or not the rocket crashes or is recoverable by 1%
Followed by Increase the amount of plant life on mars by 1% once you hear about the above event on the news.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Quartz_Mace on March 02, 2015, 09:46:01 pm
Increase the amount of matter in the universe by 1 percent?

What would this do?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: nomoetoe on March 02, 2015, 09:53:29 pm
Increase the amount of matter in the universe by 1 percent?

What would this do?
I think it might increase the amount of matter in the universe. :P
I'm not quite sure what it would do though, I'm going to assume it would be bad.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Quartz_Mace on March 02, 2015, 10:11:11 pm
Increase the amount of matter in the universe by 1 percent?

What would this do?
I think it might increase the amount of matter in the universe. :P
I'm not quite sure what it would do though, I'm going to assume it would be bad.
Depends. Is the matter spread evenly? Is the matter more likely to appear in places that have high matter concentrations, or low matter concentrations? Or is it just random?
That's what worries me. Maybe decreasing it by 1% would be better?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Sirus on March 02, 2015, 10:13:30 pm
Increase the amount of matter in the universe by 1 percent?

What would this do?
I think it might increase the amount of matter in the universe. :P
I'm not quite sure what it would do though, I'm going to assume it would be bad.
Depends. Is the matter spread evenly? Is the matter more likely to appear in places that have high matter concentrations, or low matter concentrations? Or is it just random?
That's what worries me. Maybe decreasing it by 1% would be better?
>Earth is part of the decreased matter

Welp.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Quartz_Mace on March 02, 2015, 10:16:24 pm
Should we add this to the count of 1% adjustments that end the world?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Angle on March 02, 2015, 10:23:26 pm
I don't know if people have already gone over this, because I'm too lazy to read 20 pages, but instead increasing your abilities effect by a whole bunch, you'd be better off decreasing it's cooldown. That gives you better fine tuning power.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: alexandertnt on March 02, 2015, 10:43:24 pm
Day 1. Increase your power by 1% each day
Day 2. Increase the rate your power increases by 1%
Day 3. Increase the rate that your rate increases your power by 1% (how do I English that?)
etc.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: nomoetoe on March 03, 2015, 09:40:10 am
I don't know if people have already gone over this, because I'm too lazy to read 20 pages, but instead increasing your abilities effect by a whole bunch, you'd be better off decreasing it's cooldown. That gives you better fine tuning power.
True, although getting it to the point where the cooldown is really low would take awhile, but it would be worth it.

eventually decrease the cooldown to the point where it can be used every second, increase how much power it has till it has a 100% increasing power.
Getting the cooldown to the point were it could be used every second would probably take a very long time, but the reward would be amazing and terrifying.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Angle on March 03, 2015, 11:30:34 am
It'd probably be best t take the effect up to 5 or 10 percent first.

Hell, what about "Increase the maximum effect that this power can have by 1%" and then "Decrease the minimum effect this power can have by 1%" after you've gotten your effect really high? Then you can basically set things to whatever you want.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Angle on March 03, 2015, 12:43:57 pm
Yeah, you be better of increasing your effect until it'd reached absurd amounts, then using it to change the maximum ad minimum effects of your ability, to give yourself a variance. then you could choose to increase or decrease something by about as much as you like. get the increase power up to over 100%, which'd take a while, then alter the max and min amounts, allowing you to increase or decrease anything by just about as much as you like. Then you can decrease the cooldown by 99.99% in one shot, do more or less whatever you like.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: LordBucket on March 03, 2015, 02:22:38 pm
You can, however, decrease the lack of magic in the universe by 1%.

This, like a large portion of the proposals this thread has seen, fail requirements established in the OP. The second paragraph explicitly states that only quantities that are present can be adjusted. How do you measure the "lack" of a thing? Is magic even quantifiable? Your wish fails the existing quantity test and it fails the measurable quantity test. I think it also fails requirements that were discussed later in the thread. And even if you deliberately ignore the rules, you can't even tell me what the result of your wish would be.

 * If there are a million puppies in the universe and you increase the number of puppies in the universe by 1%, you now have 1.01 million puppies.

 * If there are a million puppies in the universe and you "decrease the lack of puppies" in the universe by 1%....how many puppies are there?

With something like magic, it's even worse because...even if your rules-breaking "reduce the lack of" phrasing were to somehow work, we can't even usefully discuss the result. How do you quantify it? Puppies are a thing that can be measured. "There are 5 puppies." Even non-discrete things can be measured. "There are five quarts of water." How do you measure magic? If I tell you that there's now "5 magic in the world" or "five quarts of magic" what does that even mean?

Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Angle on March 03, 2015, 03:18:19 pm
Well, let's see. If we count the lack of something as the difference between how much there is and how much there possibly could be, then we have a discrete number. of course, for most things, that number is stupid big. If you decreased the lack of puppies by 1%, 1% of the universe that was not puppies is ow puppies. This will likely bring about the end of life as we know it. Ooops...
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on March 03, 2015, 03:24:51 pm
Define what magic is and how it is quantified. I would claim that the 1% per day superpower is an example of "magic;" it affects the world based on the wishes of its user(s), and it doesn't rely on interaction with any machine or tool, or energy to operate said device. If it exists, and it must be presumed to exist because it is being utilized in this scenario, then it becomes quantifiable in some manner and there are rules governing it. So right there, magic is already present in the universe, and its effects are quantifiable.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Eric Blank on March 03, 2015, 03:58:00 pm
Hey, this shit is serious business. We don't allow mistakes here, no matter how innocent.
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Graknorke on March 03, 2015, 04:55:03 pm
"Increase the mass of the universe by 1%"

If any unusual consequences are seen it can be assumed that the universe has finite mass, while if there is no change detected it can be assumed that the mass is infinite. At least, I think that would work?
Title: Re: The 1 percent per day superpower
Post by: Helgoland on March 03, 2015, 06:25:14 pm
Okay, generalized 'increase [measurable quality] by p%' procedure, only one day needed:
Denote our value by x. Define a new ppositional notation:
Choose two sufficiently large natural numbers m and n, m<n, a small real number a, and another (large) real number b.
Now take the b representation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-integer_representation) of x, and stop adding up at summands m and -m, and only start again at summands n and -n, leaving out the middle part. Now - since we want our original value x back! - 'fill in' the gap with the appropriate summands from the a representation of x.
Apply 1% power to the number of digits in front of/after the comma in our new notation. By appropriately choosing a, b, m, and n, any percentage between one and zero should be accessible in only one application of our power.