I thought we weren't meant to know which team the IC was on. @_@Hah, yeah the regular IC might still be scum. Just in some other Beginner Games, the scum team get a special "Scum IC" who only posts in their private chat, giving advice. I don't think it's particularly necessary, as beginner games tend to be quite easy for scum anyway.
Ah, I see what you mean. Rather than a member of the Scum in-game, just there to give them advice?Yeah that's right.
Man, that would suck so much if the regular IC ended up as one too...It happens, so the town should suspect the IC as much as anyone else.
You can be the regular IC. Scum don't get an IC in a Sprint game.
Ah, I see what you mean. Rather than a member of the Scum in-game, just there to give them advice?I thought it was hilarious. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=108236.0)
Man, that would suck so much if the regular IC ended up as one too...
Everyone:How much experience do you have with mafia?
It's bit early for me to be worrying about anyone yet I think. I like to see a bit more from people before I start trying to murder them.
Deus Asmoth:Presumably you think I'm referring to a night kill rather than attempting to lynch someone. The obvious flaw in that is that the scum team don't need to see any action from anyone before killing them because they already know who their allies are, while townies have to try to figure out someone's motivations before they go for the throat since otherwise they're a lot more likely to kill town than scum.It's bit early for me to be worrying about anyone yet I think. I like to see a bit more from people before I start trying to murder them.
This bothers me. Can you guess why this bothers me?
Deus Asmoth:Presumably you think I'm referring to a night kill rather than attempting to lynch someone. The obvious flaw in that is that the scum team don't need to see any action from anyone before killing them because they already know who their allies are, while townies have to try to figure out someone's motivations before they go for the throat since otherwise they're a lot more likely to kill town than scum.It's bit early for me to be worrying about anyone yet I think. I like to see a bit more from people before I start trying to murder them.
This bothers me. Can you guess why this bothers me?
The only players who should be worried about being killed are scum.
The only players who should be worried about being killed are scum.
Hector why would you say that? If a townie is lynched then they instantly become useless, and the scum is one step closer to winning. Do you not care that the scum would only gain from a townie death?
They can no longer contribute to the discussion, and therefore are useless to any further investigation that the town will perform.
Besides that, why are you trying to justify lynching a townie in the first place? There is no good whatsoever that can come to the town from something like that, so are you trying to get people to be less careful about who they vote so that you can more easily have a townie lynched?
Since I've played a full game with only one person here before;
Everyone:How much experience do you have with mafia?
Hi all.
-snip-
More to come as we play! Good luck everyone.
TheDarkStar: How do you expect this sprint game to differ from a normal game of mafia in terms of play, rather than just mechanics, which we all are aware of?
Everyone:How much experience do you have with mafia?Are you fishing for easy lynches?
This bothers me. Can you guess why this bothers me?Scripten seems to have performed the exact scum tactic he warns about in his theory post.
Everyone:How much experience do you have with mafia?
UXLZ: How do you think having less time to choose their targets will affect the scum team?
...what? It's helpful to know how familiar someone is with the game when you haven't played with them before. How would finding someone with little experience (in a beginner's game) help with getting an easy lynch?Everyone:How much experience do you have with mafia?Are you fishing for easy lynches?
UXLZ: No particular reason. I just picked someone who hadn't posted yet to put pressure on them and your number came up.
Dani: If you were a scum, what sort of questioning would make you... Nervous?The dramatic kind that has loads of... Unnecessary Emphasis.
It's helpful to know how familiar someone is with the game when you haven't played with them before. How would finding someone with little experience (in a beginner's game) help with getting an easy lynch?A lack of experience will show itself quite plainly, no need for people to self-evaluate. A lack of experience is also a susceptibility to pressure and a greater-than-usual fear of the lynch as town, leading to looking scummy.
I think you're misunderstanding something: Single votes have no power and exert very little pressure. 'Putting on' is quite the overstatement. You're going to need to find a buddy if you want to do that.Vote UXLZ
The dramatic kind that has loads of... Unnecessary Emphasis.
Vote UXLZ
Scripten: I'm planning on keeping calm for a start. Emotion seems to be a good way of getting myself killed.
The only players who should be worried about being killed are scum.
While it's not pleasant to be killed as town, it's less likely to mean you'll lose the game. The other town players can also read your previous posts as confirmed town, and adapt their future play accordingly. It's halfway to a loss as scum.
Like I said previously, this is my first game. I'm not entirely certain how to go about questioning people at this point in the game, so it just comes across as... feeble poking, really.
The color. IT BURNS.
Presumably you think I'm referring to a night kill rather than attempting to lynch someone. The obvious flaw in that is that the scum team don't need to see any action from anyone before killing them because they already know who their allies are, while townies have to try to figure out someone's motivations before they go for the throat since otherwise they're a lot more likely to kill town than scum.
Scripten seems to have performed the exact scum tactic he warns about in his theory post.
Scripten: What sort of mindset should a scum take into a Sprint game, as opposed to a regular one?
Can you first explain why a town player would want advice on how to play scum?
would want advice on how to play scum?
TheDarkStar: What sort of advantages do the scum have in a sprint game? Does that worry you?
This (along with the rest of your post) seems to be written to get advice in playing scum, UXLZ. Why is this?
hector13: How long do you think you'd be able to keep up the image of being a scum over a townie without a slip?
...I won't always get to be a townie...
Not sure. I could lurk for a bit to avoid risking any slippage, at least for a portion of the first day.
I like to think I'm good at things before I actually try them, only discover this is far, far, far from the truth. So, the short answer would probably be "not long after someone put pressure on me".
Also
Well played.
Just in the interests of complete disclosure, how would you play, if you were scum?
And it doesn't change the fact that your post consisted of trying to find advice on how to play scum. My vote stays where it is.
PPE: Yeah, that townclaim doesn't actually make you look any better. Anyone can say that they are town.
You do seem to be trying quite hard to appear as town, UXLZ.
Not enough for me to want to vote for you, yet, but in saying that you are one vote away from having a majority against you. Perhaps you have concerns about another player you'd like to voice to convince me they're more likely to be scum than you?
I think you're misunderstanding something: Single votes have no power and exert very little pressure. 'Putting on' is quite the overstatement. You're going to need to find a buddy if you want to do that.
I think people seem to keep interpreting my questions as 'How should I play scum?' rather than 'How does a scum player think?' which is saddening.
What is different enough in this instance to warrant the suggestion that UXLZ is scum because of that?
It would be foolish, in the extreme, for UXLZ to ask questions on how to play as scum and then play as scum based on those answers in the same game.
I would like to point out that DarkStar and Scripten, as the two most experience (I think) players in the game, do seem quick to either vote for or suspect UXLZ for trying to learn how to play.
Can you first explain why a town player would want advice on how to play scum?
This (along with the rest of your post) seems to be written to get advice in playing scum, UXLZ. Why is this?
Not too much. At least, in a newbie game like this. I'd assume four courses of action: Kill the IC (noting that this won't happen if he's a scum)
Please read the entire post. My reasoning, if somewhat flawed, is already there, though it's an answer to a different question than this one specifically. I'd also like to add that this is my first game of this sort of Mafia. I'll need to learn how play both sides at some point since I won't always get to be a townie. It's better to do it when I stand to lose less.
Barring what I said above, I think you've also misunderstood the question. I'm asking about the mindset, not the action. That's the difference between asking 'How does an apple picker think?' and 'How do you pick apples?'. The town will certainly benefit from the former, somewhat less so from the latter though there is still some benefit to be had.
Essentially, I am not asking advice on how to play scum like you seem to be assuming, I am asking advice on how to think like scum.
Scripten: What, in your mind, what would the mindset of a scum in a sprint game be, as opposed to a regular game?
So, the short answer would probably be "not long after someone put pressure on me".
You do seem to be trying quite hard to appear as town, UXLZ.
Not enough for me to want to vote for you, yet, but in saying that you are one vote away from having a majority against you. Perhaps you have concerns about another player you'd like to voice to convince me they're more likely to be scum than you?
Also noteworthy is that thus far hector13 is the only person to actually answer one of those questions rather than responding with 'You're talking/asking about scum? You must be scum!' Make of that what you will.
I would like to point out that DarkStar and Scripten, as the two most experience (I think) players in the game, do seem quick to either vote for or suspect UXLZ for trying to learn how to play.
It would be foolish, in the extreme, for UXLZ to ask questions on how to play as scum and then play as scum based on those answers in the same game.
UXLZUndeclared L-1 is not cool.
Scripten seems to have performed the exact scum tactic he warns about in his theory post.Can you explain this more? I'm not seeing the link you're making.
A very successful scum tactic, especially among newbie games, is to egg on an argument without investing much in it, and when the player who loses is lynched, to push a wagon the next day on the person who was tunneling them. Keep an eye out for this, but remember, scum are also reading this and will most likely try to turn this technique to their advantage.
see posts #32-36Admittedly, it's a weak read now, compared with everything else that's going on.
(Also, I think they were just upset that I didn't vote for them to bring the vote counts to 1 each.)It would have created... a beautiful chain of blame. Never before has the chance to bring senseless order been so spurned. :weeps:
Undeclared L-1 is not cool.
Admittedly, it's a weak read now, compared with everything else that's going on.
hector13:Or an honest description of what I think might happen.So, the short answer would probably be "not long after someone put pressure on me".Read: "I will pretend that I crack under pressure easily so that other players do not examine me too closely."
You do seem to be trying quite hard to appear as town, UXLZ.
Not enough for me to want to vote for you, yet, but in saying that you are one vote away from having a majority against you. Perhaps you have concerns about another player you'd like to voice to convince me they're more likely to be scum than you?This looks more like a scumbuddy trying to tell their partner to shape up. Could also possibly be scum trying to buddy mislynch bait to get towncred after a flip.
Definitely doesn't feel like town, though.
Also noteworthy is that thus far hector13 is the only person to actually answer one of those questions rather than responding with 'You're talking/asking about scum? You must be scum!' Make of that what you will.And a very interesting response to the coaching/buddying attempt from UXLZ.
I would like to point out that DarkStar and Scripten, as the two most experience (I think) players in the game, do seem quick to either vote for or suspect UXLZ for trying to learn how to play.And then we get this bit here from hector13, which is quite notable in that it directly conflicts with his earlier post in which HE is suspecting UXLZ. Playing both sides of the fence, hector13?
It would be foolish, in the extreme, for UXLZ to ask questions on how to play as scum and then play as scum based on those answers in the same game.This is true, but I was not suspecting him solely on that question. Still, you're rather defensive of him, aren't you?
I missed this before. This bothers me, because it appears that you are setting up a bogus case later on so as to mislynch the IC when he is not killed overnight.
Scum try to act like town who are scumhunting others. I really don't see how this is useful.
The problem with this is that each scum is going to play as close to what they think their town play is. You can't quantify that, and generalizing it is mostly useless.
Pretend you know the scumteam and go from there.
The scum mentality should remain roughly the same.
This looks more like a scumbuddy trying to tell their partner to shape up. Could also possibly be scum trying to buddy mislynch bait to get towncred after a flip.
Definitely doesn't feel like town, though.
And a very interesting response to the coaching/buddying attempt from UXLZ.
And then we get this bit here from hector13, which is quite notable in that it directly conflicts with his earlier post in which HE is suspecting UXLZ. Playing both sides of the fence, hector13?
This is true, but I was not suspecting him solely on that question. Still, you're rather defensive of him, aren't you?
I've read a few other beginner Mafia games on the forum, and a lot of them have the IC's asking questions in a similar vein to the ones UXLZ asked, without this degree of fuss.
What is different enough in this instance to warrant the suggestion that UXLZ is scum because of that?
I was the only one to answer the questions (technically Dani did as well, but the answer wasn't very enlightening) to this point
Supercharazad: What would your favorite scum tactic be, if you happened to be one?
Have you noticed any actors thus far, charazad?
I think there are plenty of people who have drawn suspicion on themselves. Why don't you?
I think there are plenty of people who have drawn suspicion on themselves. Why don't you?This is an incredibly vague question, hector. Why didn't you provide some example of who you were suspicious of and why if you were going to ask someone why they weren't also suspicious of that person? All I'm seeing here is a blanket statement and an implication that charazard isn't as town as you are.
I think there are plenty of people who have drawn suspicion on themselves. Why don't you?This is an incredibly vague question, hector. Why didn't you provide some example of who you were suspicious of and why if you were going to ask someone why they weren't also suspicious of that person? All I'm seeing here is a blanket statement and an implication that charazard isn't as town as you are.
everyone: Who are you most suspicious of at present?
hector13: Why did you ask Deus is he was worried about being killed? What use would you get out of answers to that question?
Can you first explain why a town player would want advice on how to play scum?
I would like to point out that DarkStar and Scripten, as the two most experience (I think) players in the game, do seem quick to either vote for or suspect UXLZ for trying to learn how to play.And then we get this bit here from hector13, which is quite notable in that it directly conflicts with his earlier post in which HE is suspecting UXLZ. Playing both sides of the fence, hector13?
What is different enough in this instance to warrant the suggestion that UXLZ is scum because of that?
You do seem to be trying quite hard to appear as town, UXLZ.
Not enough for me to want to vote for you, yet, but in saying that you are one vote away from having a majority against you. Perhaps you have concerns about another player you'd like to voice to convince me they're more likely to be scum than you?
This looks more like a scumbuddy trying to tell their partner to shape up. Could also possibly be scum trying to buddy mislynch bait to get towncred after a flip.
Definitely doesn't feel like town, though.Also noteworthy is that thus far hector13 is the only person to actually answer one of those questions rather than responding with 'You're talking/asking about scum? You must be scum!' Make of that what you will.
And a very interesting response to the coaching/buddying attempt from UXLZ.
Empty statement. Prove it.
hector13: Why did you ask Deus is he was worried about being killed? What use would you get out of answers to that question?
Can you first explain why a town player would want advice on how to play scum?
Can you explain to me why you are so insulted by the very idea that you might be coaching another player when you have a private scumchat elsewhere from which to coordinate?
Scripten: What, in your mind, what would the mindset of a scum in a sprint game be, as opposed to a regular game?The scum mentality should remain roughly the same.
And that's a very useless statement. I appreciate that you're saying things that cast me in a better light (and yourself, which hasn't slipped notice) than earlier but I thought we were cutting out the needless things?
Ah, so what you're saying is that he's trying to get on good terms with me, and then when I'm mis-lynched claim he was on my side defending me and therefore town?
I know that I'm acting in a way that makes me easy to push a lynch on, but playing too cautiously will lead to a town defeat 95% of the time. A town that doesn't act is a town that loses.
It wasn't so much putting weight on merely answering questions, it was more that you attempted to use the questions I was asking to cast suspicion on me due to the content of those questions (being about scum).
Yes, I'd say it was chainsaw defending, but he was also bringing up fairly legitimate points. Also, while not answering questions in the RQS stage isn't inherently scummy as you say, refusing to answer those questions and then using them to FoS or vote for someone, while also not inherently scummy, is highly more suspect. Personally, it wasn't that you (or DarkStar) refused to answer the questions that I found suspicious, it was the attempt to reverse all the attention onto me that was strange.
I still don't like this whole 'pressure' idea. It seems quite useless. Only inexperienced players would crack so easily.
Dani: You were very quiet during day 1 and never voted anyone by day's end. Why not?After I unvoted TDS (since you explained the no-hammer mechanic), things got kind of convoluted between you and hector13 and UXLZ, with the back-and-forth of multiple talking points and everything. I wasn't planning to vote for anyone circa my last post, but I did forget that it was Day end, and fell asleep. Yes, I know, this makes me look even more noncommittal, but that is what I did yesterDay.
hector13: Why are you pressure voting me to get me to post more when you say that you suspect both Deus and Scripten? Why did you unvote Scripten after explaining why you thought he was so scummy?
PPE: Fakeclaiming for mafia is actually a good idea. If they don't, it's a 2/3 chance to hit lynch one of them. If one of them does, it's a 1/2 chance.
On role call: Your logic has a problem: The scum can claim power roles, forcing town to choose between them and the real one. On the other hand, the cop has an inspect result that can be used to clear a player or point out one of the scum.
Okay, I see where you're coming from now, and the math works out so that, optimally, at least one of the mafia has to fakeclaim. UXLZ, TDS isn't saying that massclaim is a bad idea: he's just saying that scum has to fakeclaim to maximize their chance of winning.QuotePPE: Fakeclaiming for mafia is actually a good idea. If they don't, it's a 2/3 chance to hit lynch one of them. If one of them does, it's a 1/2 chance.I really don't know what you're saying here. My math isn't incorrect, I know that for sure, so I can't see how a role call could possibly hurt our chances. It's currently a LyLo situation so we really need all the advantages we can get.
Charazad: His questions D1 felt weird, as if only tangential to the discussion. Only goes after the easily lynched. Stretches my actions D1 to paint me as a frustrated wagon-starter. Scum.
I think towards the end of this we will have to do a role call... It may be our only hope in this sort of situation. We still have 2 power roles and a single regular townie. The power roles can't be contested (and if they are, it's a terrible idea for the mafia), the single regular townie will know who the scum are, and we'll have to hope that they're capable of opening our eyes. Also, a 2/3 chance is better than a 2/5 chance.
Regardless, I do think that a role call, at some point, is necessary.
Also, it isn't technically LyLo because the Doctor can still save someone.
Something just makes me feel uneasy about Scripten. Not nearly enough to make me vote for him over DarkStar though.
Dani/Charazad. Lack of activity. It's kind of a normal scum thing, to stay out of the limelight and all, but I can't make myself vote for either of them over DarkStar.
I pointed out that he was voting for reasons that he was not detailing. If he had been scum, I probably would have gone after Scripten because of the way that he was not voting for him despite a long list of reasons.
My play hasn't consisted of much so far - the game started near a weekend which caused me to post less. I've questioned UXLZ and Hector, but not really anyone else yet.
Everyone who has not posted reads yet: Post them. Here's mine:
Dani: Null read mostly - Post more!
UXLZ: Town lean - Scumhunting and strategizing for the town, although I've had some doubts about him (especially an odd Day 1 post)
Supercharazard - Slight town lean - Not that active, but has done some scumhunting. Post more!
Scripten - Null read or slight scum lean - Puts effort but doesn't make strong cases. Also made the tiebreaker vote on hector. However, there is definitely some scumhunting going on.
We'll wait for a few more people to input before actually starting the massclaim, but I'll just mention that my role is actually in one of my earlier posts. Unfortunately, it's totally useless information since I was the one who proposed the massclaim in the first place and could have easily used this to set the person who actually has that role up. (If I was scum, that is.) Basically, if one of the scum decides to claim my role it will be my word vs. theirs.
UXLZ:I think towards the end of this we will have to do a role call... It may be our only hope in this sort of situation. We still have 2 power roles and a single regular townie. The power roles can't be contested (and if they are, it's a terrible idea for the mafia), the single regular townie will know who the scum are, and we'll have to hope that they're capable of opening our eyes. Also, a 2/3 chance is better than a 2/5 chance.
Regardless, I do think that a role call, at some point, is necessary.
Also, it isn't technically LyLo because the Doctor can still save someone.
Since we have an open setup, a mass-call isn't a bad idea, especially since the cop will have a result on someone, assuming they did not investigate Deus Asmoth. I would prefer that we do not treat today as anything but LyLo, though, because, as pointed out, the odds are against us at that point. However,Something just makes me feel uneasy about Scripten. Not nearly enough to make me vote for him over DarkStar though.
Dani/Charazad. Lack of activity. It's kind of a normal scum thing, to stay out of the limelight and all, but I can't make myself vote for either of them over DarkStar.
So you find a gut feeling more indicative of scum than actual evidence with scum-sided intent? This worries me, especially given my read on your slot.
TheDarkStar:I pointed out that he was voting for reasons that he was not detailing. If he had been scum, I probably would have gone after Scripten because of the way that he was not voting for him despite a long list of reasons.
Mod error. I was voting for hector13.My play hasn't consisted of much so far - the game started near a weekend which caused me to post less. I've questioned UXLZ and Hector, but not really anyone else yet.
This is disappointing. We're in LyLo and the game ends tomorrow if we don't catch scum. Right now, the majority of your content in this game is speculation about the setup and debating the semantics of LyLo. I don't care much for that. I'm also rather bothered by your play due to the game this post is in (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144554.msg5767611#msg5767611). You're playing the same way as you were in that game in which you were scum.
You've done nothing but sheep me and throw some toothless gak at people. Oh, and setup/stats speculation, but that's just fluff.Everyone who has not posted reads yet: Post them. Here's mine:
Dani: Null read mostly - Post more!
UXLZ: Town lean - Scumhunting and strategizing for the town, although I've had some doubts about him (especially an odd Day 1 post)
Supercharazard - Slight town lean - Not that active, but has done some scumhunting. Post more!
Scripten - Null read or slight scum lean - Puts effort but doesn't make strong cases. Also made the tiebreaker vote on hector. However, there is definitely some scumhunting going on.
This is pretty lackluster. You've referenced only a single actual event; the rest of your supporting cases are generic enough that you could reorder them onto other players and nobody would notice. So you have exactly two actual reads, and your scumread on me is... tenuous at best. You're saying that I don't make strong cases. Prove it.
You're skating by this game, TheDarkStar and you're going to have to do better than that.
UXLZ 2.0:We'll wait for a few more people to input before actually starting the massclaim, but I'll just mention that my role is actually in one of my earlier posts. Unfortunately, it's totally useless information since I was the one who proposed the massclaim in the first place and could have easily used this to set the person who actually has that role up. (If I was scum, that is.) Basically, if one of the scum decides to claim my role it will be my word vs. theirs.
I'll go first.
I'm the vanilla townie. I will expect one scum to counterclaim me and one to counterclaim the doctor. It would make the most sense. However, I would discourage talking about this, lest we give the scum advice on what to do from here on out.
Reads List
~Most Town~
Dani - Town. His activity levels are low, but his reads do not look fabricated. He has not scumhunted much, but I see this coming more from a newbie perspective than a scum perspective. His voting activities are actually more likely to call attention to him than to make him skim under the radar and, especially given that he is a town PR.
UXLZ - More likely town. While I was suspicious of him before, with hector13 flipping town, I'm inclined to see UXLZ's interactions coming from a townie mindset. I may be wrong here, though.
Supercharazad - More likely scum. Lurking throughout the game, defensive, and very little actual scumhunting. Also drops a few mild scumtells during later D1, notably staying out of the way and egging on other arguments which were, apparently, town vs. town. He may also be newbie town, but I do not see townie earnestness in his posts.
TheDarkStar - Scum. I've detailed why above.
~Most Scum~
You've done nothing but sheep me and throw some toothless gak at people. Oh, and setup/stats speculation, but that's just fluff.
Why do you find Charazard (btw, Charazad or Charazard?) scummy? You detail your reads for everyone else, but then just note he's scummy and move on.
Other than plan for the town (which you note is towny in the case of UXLZ, a ridiculous double standard) and scumhunt (which you dismiss), yes, there hasn't been much else going on. That's because if you disregard all my posts, yes, you happen to have nothing left.
You say this, and yet it makes UXLZ town when he does the exact same things. Why?
Why do you think UXLZ is town despite worries?
Why do you find Dani so likely to be town when you have practically nothing to go off of? These facts indicate that you have insider information and don't need to read posts to know if people are town or not.
At this point, I think you're down to no reads that are based on anything or that aren't up to how you interpret different people making the same actions.
Why am I not voting for you? Because I'm the doctor (and targeted UXLZ last night). I know for a fact that Dani is lying.
Okay, my roleclaim: Cop. I don't have detail on anyone. Why? I was intending to investigate Hector, but everyone lynched him while I was away and since this is a Sprint game there was no night-phase for me to actually choose someone else instead.
Essentially what happened was this:
Me: Intend on investigating Hector, go to sleep.
Me: Wake up, Hector lynched, no investigation results.
Kinda got screwed a little by the game format.
Well, the extend's going to kick in at this point since we have the minimum votes. Now's just time to wait for Scripten to talk about whatever it was that they wanted to talk about.
Okay, my roleclaim: Cop. I don't have detail on anyone. Why? I was intending to investigate Hector, but everyone lynched him while I was away and since this is a Sprint game there was no night-phase for me to actually choose someone else instead.
Essentially what happened was this:
Me: Intend on investigating Hector, go to sleep.
Me: Wake up, Hector lynched, no investigation results.
Kinda got screwed a little by the game format.
This is believable and it makes absolutely no sense for scum to fake-claim this way.
UXLZ is town. Supercharazad is scum. Due to the way TheDarkStar defended him, TDS is further associated with his scumbuddy. We've solved the game.
...correctly guess the role.The Cop is a Macho alignment-Cop (not a roleCop), according to the roles list in post #0.[/nitpick]
Dani, why are you certain that Scripten is the vanilla townie?
...but I'll just mention that my role is actually in one of my earlier posts.UXLZ, is this still a thing that you're going to show us?
I don't see what making this day any longer will do. The scum are about to kill me and the town will lose. One question, though:
Why wouldn't scum fake-claim this way? It's much easier for scum to claim that they missed inspecting than to make up an inspect target and correctly guess the role.
What the hell is an AtE?
*crumb*Alright. I didn't know that using invisible text was within game rules. Going to highlight every post from now on.
The fact that no one was killed is actually very strange. The mafia know exactly who our roles are: Dani is confirmed doctor, I'm unopposed Cop, and Scripten is quite likely town. Did they actually target Scripten knowing he's the only person the Doctor can heal?Doctors can protect themselves, can't they?
First of all, Dani is scum, as I said before. I wasn't around to claim cop when he did, but I'm going to go ahead and do that now.
I am the cop.
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As doctor, I protected Scripten both days on the basis that he is the IC and therefore, if town (which I wasfairly sure he was and am now certain he is), the town's biggest asset.
Twice? Doubt it.Believe what you want, I made a typo twice. I meant to say that I am the doctor, which now forms the entirety of my suspicion on Dani.
Also, you're pushing for no lynch but voting for Dani. Can you explain that discrepancy?If we do lynch, I'd rather we lynch and win than mislynch and lose. If people agree to my plan, then we all unvote and the game can be won easily.
Believe what you want, I made a typo twice. I meant to say that I am the doctor, which now forms the entirety of my suspicion on Dani.
If we do lynch, I'd rather we lynch and win than mislynch and lose. If people agree to my plan, then we all unvote and the game can be won easily.
I find this explanation highly suspect. Can you explain why you may have made this "typo"? Role claims are very rarely subject to typos, as a player's role PM motivates their play all game.
Or you are conveniently away from the computer come deadline and you push a lynch on town instead of opting for a no-lynch. I don't like that idea.
... the best course of action would be for us to vote nobody and for UXLZ to investigate me or Dani. If UXLZ is nightkilled, then Dani is scum because they murdered him to avoid investigation.<Emphasis mine.>
If I were scum, do you honestly think I'd be stupid enough to vote for the person who the doctor would be most likely to protect?
@Scripten
Was the level of activity I showed throughout the game too high? It seems to have made it obvious to the mafia that I was a power role, but at the same time it also helped with the hunting and made them decide to try and use me as a red herring. Which didn't turn out well for them.
No, my intention was to claim doctor, I just managed to write cop instead twice because of the earlier plan for me to claim cop before you could.
Heehee, got away with faking my N1 action. Yes, I forgot to send one in.
I wouldn't say that we won the game without relying on power roles. I mean, the massclaim marked the start of our win, imo.
Could you give us the examples of townslips you mentioned, in case we missed them?
As for a reads list, I'm not really one for compiling evidence, but
UXLZ & Scripten: Both town, after seeing their interaction yesterday. But if either one says otherwise, I'd have to concede to them because this read is only my gut feeling.
Charazad: His questions D1 felt weird, as if only tangential to the discussion. Only goes after the easily lynched. Stretches my actions D1 to paint me as a frustrated wagon-starter. Scum.
TheDarkStar: Scum by process of elimination, but I super doubted myself when he posted.
Okay, my roleclaim: Cop. I don't have detail on anyone. Why? I was intending to investigate Hector, but everyone lynched him while I was away and since this is a Sprint game there was no night-phase for me to actually choose someone else instead.
Essentially what happened was this:
Me: Intend on investigating Hector, go to sleep.
Me: Wake up, Hector lynched, no investigation results.
Kinda got screwed a little by the game format.
So a question: what you think would be some reasonable RVS/RQS questions to be asking, if any?
I was hoping that I'd be able to rev up the game with all the activity at the start. I kind of play with a strange... Style.
I'd also like to mention that I was the first to vote for DarkStar, yaaay. Actually, in response to my specific scumreads on him, do you think they were fairly accurate ones, or just false reads and he just happened to also be scum?