also: This time around I might put the results on an interactive javascript page.I read "javascript" as "lasagne". Now I'm hungry. :(
Last time, these were the questions (and this is a link to the results (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136482.msg5034505#msg5034505)):A lot of those pie-cahrts add up to more than 200% percent. What's up with that?
Sex and gender are the same thing, except sex is biological while gender is identi...identicish...identical.....it's based on identity.No, not the concepts, I meant actual options :P eg:
Can you name one? All of them look normal to me.Last time, these were the questions (and this is a link to the results (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136482.msg5034505#msg5034505)):A lot of those pie-cahrts add up to more than 200% percent. What's up with that?
You're counting the raw numbers rather than the percentages. All the percentages add up to 100.Last time, these were the questions (and this is a link to the results (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136482.msg5034505#msg5034505)):A lot of those pie-cahrts add up to more than 200% percent. What's up with that?
Gender: Male, Female, OtherLooks about right. People may complain about obscure nonsense being excluded, though.
Orientation: Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bisexual, Other
You're counting the raw numbers rather than the percentages. All the percentages add up to 100.Last time, these were the questions (and this is a link to the results (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136482.msg5034505#msg5034505)):A lot of those pie-cahrts add up to more than 200% percent. What's up with that?
I'd like to see an expansion of the political questions, rather than just "liberal" through "conservative".
Ah, so I am. A note on style then: a lot of people (like Yours Truly) will automatically interpret comma as a decimal separator unless they make a mental effort. Please use parentheses.You're counting the raw numbers rather than the percentages. All the percentages add up to 100.Last time, these were the questions (and this is a link to the results (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136482.msg5034505#msg5034505)):A lot of those pie-cahrts add up to more than 200% percent. What's up with that?
No, not the concepts, I meant actual options :P eg:The Facebbok List (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/15/the-complete-glossary-of-facebook-s-51-gender-options.html) (with explanations). And here (http://lgbt.wisc.edu/documents/Trans_and_queer_glossary.pdf)'s a more official glossary of LGBT terms (sadly too broad to just copy and paste)
*checks*Ah, so I am. A note on style then: a lot of people (like Yours Truly) will automatically interpret comma as a decimal separator unless they make a mental effort. Please use parentheses.You're counting the raw numbers rather than the percentages. All the percentages add up to 100.Last time, these were the questions (and this is a link to the results (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=136482.msg5034505#msg5034505)):A lot of those pie-cahrts add up to more than 200% percent. What's up with that?
I don't see a reason for a biological sex option.There's no point to any of this, but if you're going to pry into people's identity, you might as well ask if the curtain rod matches the drapes. It goes without saying that both questions are very optional.
There should be an option for grisha5. Also I don't see a reason for a biological sex option.I intended that trans people mark the gender they identify as... I am not sure how one would go about classifying people outside of the "standard" lgbt spectrum though. Other?
Anyway if you want to determine the transness of the forum, "What is your biological sex?" is not the most effective way to do it. 5 trans men and 5 trans women will poll the same as 5 cis min and 5 cis women. "Are you trans/cis?" would be better.Just because polls are anonymous, that doesn't mean you can't correlate answers within the forms (surely? It somewhat narrows your possibility of statistical analysis if you can't.)
Oh hey, this is back! Might be interesting to pair a question about preferred browser with the preferred OS.
Also, with the employment status, I'd suggest doing something other than a pie chart so that you could have a multi-option thing including: unemployed, employed, and student, since I'd guess that some of the people on here are probably newly into their undergrad work without a job yet, which is pretty different from being unemployed or NEET.
Also please remember to have an option for those of us who identify as attack helicopters.
Regarding politics: Asking for political ideologies seems to make more sense than asking for a point on a sliding scale.
I don't really know that many by name, but here are a few, some of them probably without potential voters and others nonsensical/actually called something else:Regarding politics: Asking for political ideologies seems to make more sense than asking for a point on a sliding scale.
Could you provide a sample list?
(I hope nobody is offended by me saying this again and again >_>)
Although I very much reserve the right to submit all this stuff confidentially.The only guarantees I can make you are that (1) your name is not on the data sheet (though I suppose that one could piece together who is who (2) Personally-identifiable information will not be ever shared--only I can see a correlated set of data. (3) Most questions will be optional.. personal-info ones, almost definitely (4) I have no interest in finding out who is who, especially out of 400 pieces of info.
You could keep it fairly simple and ask where people fall on a scale of left to right for economic and social policy.I'd like to see an expansion of the political questions, rather than just "liberal" through "conservative".Could you propose a series of questions and options for that? I am a bit detached from politics so i don't really know what kind of options I should have...
Left/Right handedness. Just out of curiosity.Also this.
What about "Sex and/or Gender:" followed by a blank where you can put in whatever?There would be far too many Octopuses, Squids and other phalus-life.
Aren't liberal economic views pro-regulation?It was my opinion they weren't... at least here, decreasing regulations is called "liberalization of the economy" and the people who push it are called liberals. I thought "liberal economic views" means you're in favor of "liberating" economic agents from regulation. I may have been dreadfully wrong/region-specific here, so sorry.
Actually, just a though - if you're asking about both sex and gender, it might be prudent to ask both in the one question. That way we can see any overlap a lot more easily than if the questions were separate.So Gender: Male/Female/Mantrans/Femtrans/Other?
Left-wing economics is pro-regulation, pro-taxes, etcetera; whereas right-wing economics is anti-regulation, anti-taxes, etcetera. It's backwards to social policy because reasons.Aren't liberal economic views pro-regulation?It was my opinion they weren't... at least here, decreasing regulations is called "liberalization of the economy" and the people who push it are called liberals. I thought "liberal economic views" means you're in favor of "liberating" economic agents from regulation. I may have been dreadfully wrong/region-specific here, so sorry.
So Gender: Male/Female/Mantrans/Femtrans/Other?Something like that, yeah.
The Other I assume would be the blank line where you can put whatever.
Aren't liberal economic views pro-regulation?"Liberal" means "more freedom" (implicitly it also means less order and/or security)
What is it they say? "The perfect society is one where all have the freedom to commit crime and the common sense not to".I always preferred "liberty is a precious resource - so precious that is must be carefully rationed."
If people decide to troll with the blank box then their answer gets thrown out, like any other survey.How do you tell the difference between trolling and not trolling?
Ancient texts say that one of great spiritual purity and determination may develop a sixth sense in addition to the other five, which would allow one to see through trolling, marketing and political ads. As powerful as all the other senses combined, it is called the 萬事感 (YīqièGǎn literally "all sense"), usually rendered in English as "Common Sense".If people decide to troll with the blank box then their answer gets thrown out, like any other survey.How do you tell the difference between trolling and not trolling?
one of great spiritual purityYeah, better get someone other than me to do it.
Aren't liberal economic views pro-regulation?No. "Liberal" only means "left wing" in that sense in the 'states. Classical liberalism espoused, among other things, free-market capitalism.
Here's a couple simpler questions: Government should be: As small as possible, filling as few functions as possible <-> As large as necessary to fulfill as many functions as it can; Not at all active in social, cultural, and moral matters <-> As active as possible in social, cultural, and moral matters; Should not provide any aide to its citizens <-> Should provide as much aide as possible to its citizens.That's a very elegant solution, +1.
Maybe I misunderstood something, but 2 seems entirely redundant if 1 is a calendar selectVery true--I don't know if Google Forms has a calendar select, though, so that's just in case.
Also, there's no option on 19 for people who are employed?I fixed 19 and combined sex/gender as PoH suggested.
Also rather than Sex/Gender probably stick with PenguinofHonor's Cis Male/Cis Female/Trans Male/Trans Female/Other list imo.
Maybe I misunderstood something, but 2 seems entirely redundant if 1 is a calendar selectVery true--I don't know if Google Forms has a calendar select, though, so that's just in case.Also, there's no option on 19 for people who are employed?I fixed 19 and combined sex/gender as PoH suggested.
Also rather than Sex/Gender probably stick with PenguinofHonor's Cis Male/Cis Female/Trans Male/Trans Female/Other list imo.
So, if there's no other question ideas or things to edit, I'll create the form! Potentially by this weekend.
Ancient texts say that one of great spiritual purity and determination may develop a sixth sense in addition to the other five, which would allow one to see through trolling, marketing and political ads. As powerful as all the other senses combined, it is called the 萬事感 (YīqièGǎn literally "all sense"), usually rendered in English as "Common Sense".
MAJOR edit needed.I strongly disagree, at least for ADHD. ADHD is one of the textbook mental disorders, in fact, and it fits pretty much every definition of a mental disorder you could think of. I did put ADHD as a separate entry from schizophrenia and mood disorders, and I think that is good enough. Can you convince me that ADHD is not an actual mental disorder and something else?
Learning disabilities (ex, ADHD or Down Syndrome) are not mental disorders (ex, bipolar or schizophrenia). They are very fundamentally different, and question 22 needs to be split into 2 questions at the very least.
Trans male and trans female are both included within male and female. The options should be "Cis male, cis female, trans male, trans female, other."
MAJOR edit needed.I strongly disagree, at least for ADHD. ADHD is one of the textbook mental disorders, in fact, and it fits pretty much every definition of a mental disorder you could think of. I did put ADHD as a separate entry from schizophrenia and mood disorders, and I think that is good enough. Can you convince me that ADHD is not an actual mental disorder and something else?
Learning disabilities (ex, ADHD or Down Syndrome) are not mental disorders (ex, bipolar or schizophrenia). They are very fundamentally different, and question 22 needs to be split into 2 questions at the very least.
As for Down's syndrome... this might sound a bit callous but I doubt that anyone taking the survey has Down's syndrome. :/
(Standard Internet disclaimer, I am not picking a fight with anyone but rather looking to discuss things!)
Despite these caveats, the definition of mental disorder that was included in DSM-III and DSM-III-R is presented here because it is as useful as any other available definition and has helped to guide decisions regarding which conditions on the boundary between normality and pathology should be included in DSM-IV. In DSM-IV, each of the mental disorders is conceptualized as a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual and that is associated with present distress (e.g., a painful symptom) or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning) or with a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability, or an important loss of freedom. In addition, this syndrome or pattern must not be merely an expectable and culturally sanctioned response to a particular event, for example, the death of a loved one. Whatever its original cause, it must currently be considered a manifestation of a behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. Neither deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) nor conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of a dysfunction in the individual, as described above.
Pro tip: If you're not looking to pick a fight, a good first step is to not insist on your point of view when someone else points out your ignorance. Being ignorant is not a problem, insisting on it is.
I strongly disagree, at least for ADHD. ADHD is one of the textbook mental disorders, in fact, and it fits pretty much every definition of a mental disorder you could think of. I did put ADHD as a separate entry from schizophrenia and mood disorders, and I think that is good enough. Can you convince me that ADHD is not an actual mental disorder and something else?
Maybe I misunderstood something, but 2 seems entirely redundant if 1 is a calendar selectVery true--I don't know if Google Forms has a calendar select, though, so that's just in case.Also, there's no option on 19 for people who are employed?I fixed 19 and combined sex/gender as PoH suggested.
Also rather than Sex/Gender probably stick with PenguinofHonor's Cis Male/Cis Female/Trans Male/Trans Female/Other list imo.
So, if there's no other question ideas or things to edit, I'll create the form! Potentially by this weekend.
MAJOR edit needed.
Learning disabilities (ex, ADHD or Down Syndrome) are not mental disorders (ex, bipolar or schizophrenia). They are very fundamentally different, and question 22 needs to be split into 2 questions at the very least.
@Ghills:
From what I see, your arguments are that
WALL OF TEXT
Why don't we just use the word "disability" and be done with it? It's not exactly ambiguous.
And if people start getting offended by that, then we're drifting into the realm of needless pandering.
I thought Downs Syndrome was a genetic disorder :v
How about "Have you ever been diagnosed with a condition for which psychiatric or psychological treatment is typically recommended?" That covers all cases afaik and avoids classifying people.But that's really long-winded. And why is classifying people a problem, anyway? Isn't that literally the point of a census/survey, seeing what categories people fall in to?
I also don't think the implication will necessarily come across, as there are plenty of people who still think transgender means neither male nor female, and they'll take it at face value.That's because it does. Societal gender isn't nearly binary, and even physical sex isn't binary (through either nature and a liberal application of human craftsmanship). It looks like you want those people to be "other" (no comment), but there's no guarantee they'll take it that way.
Maybe add weight as well as height, get a BMI up in there :)The problem with wages/week in dollars is that conversion rates fluctuate constantly. So unless the value is already in dollars or the conversion rate at the time the information was submitted is included, it could lead to a few problems.
Also, maybe wages per week in dollars, although I am not sure whether everyone would be comfortable sharing that data we could learn a lot about the economic circumstance of the average bay12 users.
Let's not let this devolve into another gender argument bullshit thread. Please.
Maybe add weight as well as height, get a BMI up in there :)The problem with wages/week in dollars is that conversion rates fluctuate constantly. So unless the value is already in dollars or the conversion rate at the time the information was submitted is included, it could lead to a few problems.
Also, maybe wages per week in dollars, although I am not sure whether everyone would be comfortable sharing that data we could learn a lot about the economic circumstance of the average bay12 users.
a condition for which psychiatric or psychological treatment is typically recommended
Fantastic. Might want to rename the thread title to something about the survey being up, too.Yeah, and put the link into the OP, too.