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Finally... => Life Advice => Topic started by: Robot Parade Leader on December 01, 2015, 11:35:16 am
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Hi,
I like Windows 7. It works. I do not want Windows 10, at least not right now. I may or may not give it a chance later, but I remember Vista and how much I didn't like that.
Is there any way to opt out of Windows 10 as an upgrade? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Windows updater tried to screw me. Even though I clicked 'update later' in the pop-up, it started downloading, and proceeded to make me click through a menu, which did not have any 'go back' or 'cancel' options, and made me choose a date within a timeframe of 5 days, to install windows 10. I thought I was fucked, and condemned to use win10 already (which I eventually want I guess, just not yet).
How I get around it:
If you open the same windows 10 updater pop-up, you can go through the same menu again, and set a new date. Just keep doing that every 4 days, and you can keep postponing it.
If you forget to postpone, and it starts installing, you can always revert back to win7. Win10 comes with an option to revert. NOTE: YOU WILL NEED TO REVERT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER UPGRADING, or you will not be able to anymore, because the needed settings and backup will be cleared.
If you completely want to opt out, I believe that is possible, by uninstalling the windows updater, reinstalling it, then disbling the specific windows 10 upgrade update manually. You might need to use ccleaner or similar software after that as well. There's some better instructions that I can give if you google windows update a bit.
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Remove KB3035583
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I thought you had to specifically opt-in in order for it to update to Windows 10
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No there isn't. You're one of us now.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd8so7otO1rehruqo1_500.png)
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Remove KB3035583
I'd also stay away from KB2952664 to be on the safe side.
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So wait a minute. There's actually no way to avoid getting forcibly upgraded to this new version?
Aren't there still people running XP (I know it isn't "supported" or whatever)? Is there actually no way to just stay with windows 7? I didn't buy and don't want windows 10 right now. Any ideas? How can they just force everyone to do this? People didn't automatically have to upgrade to vista or whatever, so why this?
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Any ideas?
Try keeping insufficient space on your drive for it to download. It's working for me so far.
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Remove KB3035583
This right here, then go into the windows update list, right click on it, and choose "hide update". (If you've gotten far enough along in the process you might need to do the same thing with the "Windows 10" update as well). It's worked great for me so far, no issues here.
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So wait a minute. There's actually no way to avoid getting forcibly upgraded to this new version?
Aren't there still people running XP (I know it isn't "supported" or whatever)? Is there actually no way to just stay with windows 7? I didn't buy and don't want windows 10 right now. Any ideas? How can they just force everyone to do this? People didn't automatically have to upgrade to vista or whatever, so why this?
it never forced me. it just asked me and I would say no.
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So wait a minute. There's actually no way to avoid getting forcibly upgraded to this new version?
Aren't there still people running XP (I know it isn't "supported" or whatever)? Is there actually no way to just stay with windows 7? I didn't buy and don't want windows 10 right now. Any ideas? How can they just force everyone to do this? People didn't automatically have to upgrade to vista or whatever, so why this?
XP doesn't get the free upgrade. IIRC Vista doesn't either.
But yeah, use any of the methods listed here to block the update.
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So wait a minute. There's actually no way to avoid getting forcibly upgraded to this new version?
Aren't there still people running XP (I know it isn't "supported" or whatever)? Is there actually no way to just stay with windows 7? I didn't buy and don't want windows 10 right now. Any ideas? How can they just force everyone to do this? People didn't automatically have to upgrade to vista or whatever, so why this?
it never forced me. it just asked me and I would say no.
I don't know what the heck they're talking about either.
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I think it forces you if you say yes and then change your mind. ::)
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Is there any way to opt out of Windows 10 as an upgrade?
No. —Microsoft.
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I don't know what the heck they're talking about either.
There appears to be a bug in the windows 10 update pop-up that makes it think you clicked "go ahead with the update" while in reality you clicked "no, I don't want to update yet". Then, the windows updater proceeds to force you to plan a specific date within a 5 day timeframe. Which I have been able to manually postpone repeatedly every 4 days now. So yeah, it kinda forces the update on you when that happens to you too.
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You know guys, there is a simple registry key you can set that disables the get windows 10 (GWX) services, while still keeping the KBs installed, right?
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
Setting that disables the updater icon, and any further Bologna. Still leaves the tracking crap behind though. You have to uninstall the KBs for that.
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You know guys, there is a simple registry key you can set that disables the get windows 10 (GWX) services, while still keeping the KBs installed, right?
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
Setting that disables the updater icon, and any further Bologna. Still leaves the tracking crap behind though. You have to uninstall the KBs for that.
Hi. Thank you. Um, am I the only one who doesn't understand what Weird just said or certainly not how to do it? You sound like a pretty smart person. I just wish I could really get what you were talking about. Maybe if it's not too much trouble, could you explain that a bit please?
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You can create a key, of type dword, with the name "DisableGWX", and a value of "1", in the registry path:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
The presence of this key disables the get windows 10 tray icon, and the update nagging.
The format the information was presented in, is in RegEdit export format. The format that .reg files use.
You can manually insert this key with the following instructions:
1) Run regedit under administrator credentials.
2) Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
3) Check for the existence of a "folder" (key) called Gwx. If it exists, navigate into it. If not--
3a) Right click in the right pane, and choose "new key". Name it Gwx. Navigate into it.
4) Right click in the right pane, and choose "New DWORD value" Name it "DisableGwx"
5) Double click on the newly created DWORD, and change its value to 1.
6) Reboot your computer. When it comes back up, the tray icon will be gone.
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You can do this the super easy way.
Copy the following code-box wrapped text into a text editor, and save it with the .reg extension.
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001
Then doubleclick on the .reg file. Windows asks if you want to add the contents of the file to the registry. Say yes. Reboot. Done.
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Just some trivia.
Since i was going to change my HDD soon anyway i decided to check out Win 10. Worst case scenario i was going to dump this HDD into a trash compactor anyway.
So... it installs slowly but without problems.
I log in and realize the following.
- It forgot some of my passwords (Not all strangely).
- Deleted my antivirus (the prompt says Win 10 has its own antivirus).
- Deleted Search and Destroy (antiadware i used to use)
- DELETED MY GPU DRIVERS.
So i'm doing my thing stumbling about the OS obviously optimized for smartphones and tablets whle i redownload my ADM drivers. And then suddenly... black screen.
OUT OF RANGE... and i didn't even touch the display settings. Just checked the screen resolution and left it at 1024 x 768 so exacly the way they were after the restart.
But nope out of range.
And microsoft apparently knows their new OS is a mess because MS Explorer EDGE opens up on Microsoft support every 5 minutes on its own.
Long story short. Save yourself the trouble and just remove/ignore the prompt because 2 hours in and all i have is grief with an OS that looks like it belongs on a Tablet.
PS: The drivers won't install in emergency mode and when i use the PC in normal mode i get "Out of range". Amazing. Just Amazing.
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That sounds like the drivers pushing the card at a refresh rate that your monitor cannot handle.
Try starting in emergency mode (or whatever), and forcing the adapter refresh rate to something like 50 to 60hz.
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Except the drivers weren't there. The max resolution i could pick was 1024 x 768. I was redownloadiung them when that happened.
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There is STILL a driver-- just the generic VESA one. (Standard PCI vga adapter, usually.)
No idea where win10 hides the refresh rate setting. Wherever it is, keep it set at someplace between 50 and 60hz.
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Well it's not in the screen settings. Also after cleaning up the drivers in emergency mode i managed to run the PC in normal. I'm reinstalling the drivers right now (second time in a row apparently because i already installed them... they just went "poof" after resetting).
I'm really at a loss for words.
EDIT:
Found a solution. Apparently win 10 decided that my monitors max resolution is 1600 x 900... however it remembered that my previous resolution was 1080p so it just set the resolution ot the max it thought possible.
My monitor did not support that resolution and since it was not a manual change there were no prompts or rollback after 15 seconds.
Managed to fix that after running win in low res mode but damn was it annoying.
4 hours of babysitting Win 10.
EDIT2:
Some of my games stopped working.
EDIT3:
All of my recording software i used to use (Raptr and OBS) stopped working as well.
EDIT4:
Rolled back to win 7. Had none of the stupidity i had to cope with Win 10 and everything works.
Credit given where credit is due however as win 10 loads much faster than win 7 (but what's the use when half of everything i use on win 7 simply refuses to work right).
EDIT5:
Win 10 screws up autoupdate for Win 7 now i have to instal lthem all manually. Talk about a trojan horse.
EDIT6:
Found a final solution. http://pastebin.com/hs90jeMC
Apparently putting this code in a .reg file removes the corporate nagging.
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I think it forces you if you say yes and then change your mind. ::)
No, I did this, because I originally said yes with Windows 7 Home, which would be upgraded to Win 10 Home, which has forced reboots on updates - NOT good if you're in the middle of a fortress or whatever, whereas it's a little less forced with Win 10 Prof. So I removed the two KB updates, upgraded to Win 7 Prof, and basically that's this machine I'm using at the moment, which is still on Win7. I'll update it to Win10 when I'm sure iTunes works OK with this version.
I've updated my main PC to Win10 and I seem to have spent a lot of time making it work like Windows 7. So really the upgrade to Win10 is a bit pointless; I can't really think of anything it does better than Win7.
The process I followed was to remove the two KB updates that have been mentioned elsewhere on this thread, then reboot which takes ages; then you have to do another Windows Update and unselect and hide those same two updates. Microsoft are quite keen to push them through so they seem to keep coming back for a while; presumably they think people might "accidentally" delete the updates. So keep a close eye on the next few updates to make sure they don't reanimate.
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I also do not like Windows 10 and refuse to upgrade if at all possible. So far all I've been able to do is:
1.) Ctrl Alt Delete
2.) Task Manager
3.) End Process on GWX, and GWXUX.
After Mil, & Vista, Microsoft has forever lost my trust with updates until they are widely adopted and proven like Win XP 7 was. Neither I nor my data am/are going to be their test subject. It's almost enough to make me consider apple, and if they keep pushing this heavy handed crap it just might be.
For the last time Microsoft, we all (Yes, effectively all) want a start button, and not to be forced into things. If it were good, we'd happily go willingly.
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Here's what you do to get rid of the Win 10 prompt permanently.
Make a reg file and use the code from here.
http://pastebin.com/hs90jeMC
Then open up windows update find and delete patch KB3035583.
Win 10 intercoursed off after i did that.
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And then suddenly... black screen.
OUT OF RANGE... and i didn't even touch the display settings. Just checked the screen resolution and left it at 1024 x 768 so exacly the way they were after the restart.
But nope out of range.
I think Windows probably just installed your graphics driver. It should set a resolution your monitor supports, if you get an out of range error that sounds like your monitor didn't communicate its supported resolutions properly. Are you using VGA? VGA is plagued with shit like this.
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Yep VGA via an adapter because the GPU i got lacked the proper ports and had 2 DVI and HDMI ports instead.
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I've never seen a DVI or HDMI monitor be given a resolution it couldn't handle, but I saw it all the time with VGA. I don't think VGA provides a way for the monitor to tell the computer the specific resolutions it supports, only max H/V frequency.
(This is only one of the reasons I have refused to use VGA for the past decade, I won't rant about it now)
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VGA does have a means of doing this, and has had one since at least the 90s.
HDMI monitors go out of range easily. It happens when the refresh rate and or geometry is set at something the lcd pannel cannot handle. If the driver does not check for, or respect the monitor's capability information, and just acts like a bull in a china shop, this is what happens.
Frequently, modern video drivers dont respect the VGA style way of reporting this information, leading to the above. However, even DVI suffers, because of developers focusing on the HDMI way of doing things.
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I looked it up. DVI, HDMI and VGA all report monitor capabilities in the same fashion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Display_Identification_Data over https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel.
I'm not sure why VGA always seemed so fragile. Possibly because implementing EDID isn't a requirement for VGA because VGA isn't a certification-requiring standard, so it's often left out or done badly?
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Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
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Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
Actually no, they haven't really killed ALT-Tab. It works a bit differently now (you have to hold down ALT, fer ex), and/or your installation may be uniquely borked somehow, but it's still there... in theory.
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Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
See as a long-time mac user this change actually was a plus in my mind. :P Only thing that's really bugged me so far about Windows 10 on my new computer is it's annoying tendency to reinstall the candy crush and twitter apps every time I restart the computer despite my constant removing of them. I mean sure it still took me a day or so of fiddling with settings right at the start to get everything working nicely, but I've always found that true of any new computer installation. :P
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Microsoft finally managed to make me regret upgrading with this new update. They killed Alt-Tabbing to desktop. Yeah, yeah, Win+D, but that's massively less convenient and doesn't have a decade+ of muscle memory behind it.
Actually no, they haven't really killed ALT-Tab. It works a bit differently now (you have to hold down ALT, fer ex), and/or your installation may be uniquely borked somehow, but it's still there... in theory.
Read more carefully. Alt-Tab still works, it's just that it's impossible to do so from a window to your blank desktop. You can go from current window -> last window open, you can hold (as you said) to bring up the panes and switch between them, but you can't use it to minimize a single window when nothing else is open. Prior to this update it worked as per Win7, where you could, and where the desktop was always one of the held alt-tab panes.
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Remove KB3035583
This right here, then go into the windows update list, right click on it, and choose "hide update". (If you've gotten far enough along in the process you might need to do the same thing with the "Windows 10" update as well). It's worked great for me so far, no issues here.
This has restored itself several times, for me. It took me uninstalling KB3035583 four times before Windows Update finally gave up trying to shove it on me. I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.
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It always floors me how Microsoft deviates so heavily from their trademarked addage:
Where do you want to go today?
and instead, seem to focus more on
You WILL go HERE today!
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I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.
It's already out of mainstream (feature) support, and is now in extended (security only) support. New software/games are rapidly going to drop support for it, at least once developers start using a newer OS (we're still on Windows 7 ourselves for the moment, but are planning to upgrade).
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This has restored itself several times, for me. It took me uninstalling KB3035583 four times before Windows Update finally gave up trying to shove it on me. I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.
(StupidQuestion)Did you make sure to hide the update after you uninstalled it? That was a key part of keeping it from being reinstalled automatically.(/StupidQuestion)
It always floors me how Microsoft deviates so heavily from their trademarked addage:
Where do you want to go today?
and instead, seem to focus more on
You WILL go HERE today!
To be fair with the retiring population meaning that more and more users are older people who don't necessarily know how to use computers well this is exactly what you want to do. While taking control out of the hands of the users is something that is very annoying to someone who actually knows what they are doing (even a little bit), it's the exact opposite of what you want grandma and grandpa who have finally been convinced that computers can do cool stuff to be able to have access to. Because I can assure you that if you give them the option to turn off their antivirus and security updates, they will do so, and then come complaining to your support that their virus-filled computer doesn't work anymore. :P With the huge number of baby boomers beginning to retire and look into spending their money on more luxury things like computers, and with many of them smart enough about computers to browse the web and get into trouble, but not smart enough to actually get themselves out of it, an operating system that takes power away like that is exactly something you want. (Note: I'm not saying all Baby Boomers are like this, and I know many who are very computer literate, but I also know that a very substantial portion learned enough computer usage to browse the web and use Facebook, but has never reached the point of learning not to click on suspicious links, or that security updates are actually something you want to run on your computer.)
As a user I hate the idea of Windows 10 and everything it stands for (and I know that I'm in the same boat where my laptop won't be upgrading from 7 to 10 until the very last day of free upgrades), but looking at it from a business side of things knowing that a huge percentage of my users are going to not be knowledgeable enough to use the power I give them for anything other than getting into trouble, and are going to be the ones tying up my support lines if I do give them that power? I think Windows 10 is exactly the right thing for them to do in a business sense if we look at where the money is right now (heck, Mac did the same thing by making certain files not editable even with a sudo command without jumping through several hoops first, they're just a bit less obtrusive about it). Tyranny of the money majority and all that jazz. :P
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As a user I hate the idea of Windows 10 and everything it stands for (and I know that I'm in the same boat where my laptop won't be upgrading from 7 to 10 until the very last day of free upgrades)...
I'm gonna hold on until my computer gives out and they won't sell me Win 7 anymore. Then I'm going to put in a Linux partition and only use Win 10 for games.
I'll probably upgrade my Win 8.1 laptop on the last day, though. Still kind of iffy. At least 8.1 isn't spying on me (to my knowledge), removing my programs, or telling me what updates I want and when. For all I know, Microsoft could decide to remove the ability to use 3rd party utilities like Classic Shell at any time without warning using their new "Windows as a service" model.
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I was forced into using 8.1 on my minnowboard based HTPC build, since the kind of UEFI bios it has does not have any legacy bios features, and win7 requires those features.
I was painful until I installed classic shell. I despise the "app store." It does not belong on a desktop OS. I despise metro apps.
I wish the UX team at microsoft would realize that we dont want that shit, and would give us some boot.ini switches, or some deep registry settings we could enable to disable "mitten mode."
They buried the option to disable digital signature checking on drivers in win8.1; you have to fiddle with some crap in the bootup settings dialog, and initiate a system checking/diagnostic type boot, and choose the option there on bootup. Pain in the arse to people who may need to use slightly redecorated video or disk drivers.
I have slowly gotten used to it, with classic shell installed (I simply will not tolerate "start page". Never.) and it now runs more or less win7 like, but I hate how MS just wont give up on the metro UX crap.
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You'll like Windows 10 more than 8 then. It both has a much more normal start menu, and "metro" apps are now windows on the desktop much like traditional apps. It's all a much nicer experience.
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I upgraded from 8.1 to 10 mainly for the windowed apps, myself, although now PDFs seem to open in Microsoft The Edge instead of a dedicated PDF app... Oh well.
The unpredictable update reboots have been the biggest nuisance - they're still happening even after I turned on deferred updates (apparently for critical security patches). I don't get why it can't tell me it needs to reboot before it decides to take matters into its own hands.
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I want to use Windows 7 as long as it's supported for.
It's already out of mainstream (feature) support, and is now in extended (security only) support. New software/games are rapidly going to drop support for it, at least once developers start using a newer OS (we're still on Windows 7 ourselves for the moment, but are planning to upgrade).
People are still making fixes for windows XP-only bugs. I think you underestimate how long devs support windows.
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Windows XP is getting updates because of Point of Sale (POS) systems that ONLY can work on windows XP. Microsoft acknowledges that this problem exists, and is offering an extended lease on life for those systems until the industry can migrate to something newer.
Once all upstream support for the product ends, developers in 3rd party software suites stop wanting to support it, because they want to minimize their workload. XP will dry up once device makers stop making drivers for it, and once MS stops making security patches for it. That's what happened to windows NT4 and to windows 2000.
It will happen to windows XP as well.
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People are still making fixes for windows XP-only bugs. I think you underestimate how long devs support windows.
Fixes yes, but only if there are a significant number if users using it. New software/games never support XP these days, and rarely even support Vista. 7 won't be long.
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Partly what wierd said, and partly also because a shitload of businesses and governments still run all their computers on XP.
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Programs rarely support vista because they rarely did in the first place.