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Title: Stone beds
Post by: crash on May 23, 2008, 06:39:00 pm
We all know that dwarves carve their beds exclusively from wood for maximum softness and comfort. But, it seems that in the nearly mythical world of New York City, stone beds may not be so farfetched after all: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/flop-yourself-down-but-gently-sleep-tight/index.html
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Joseph Miles on May 23, 2008, 06:47:00 pm
I'd much prefer stone beds for dwarves, makes things easier on wood starved maps.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Helmaroc on May 23, 2008, 06:52:00 pm
Strange. I kind of like my spring mattress, though, thanks. And I think a topaz slab would cost quite a bit...
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Neonivek on May 23, 2008, 06:52:00 pm
Well... specifically these beds are Heated slabs with blankets ontop
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: LeoLeonardoIII on May 23, 2008, 11:53:00 pm
Still. There's very little difference between that and lying on the floor with two electric blankets.

Actually now that I think about it, a heated stone bedm polished and such, would be really luxurious in some situations. I MANDATE SEVEN FELSITE BEDS *gets swept away in the sudden flush of magma*

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: PTTG?? on May 24, 2008, 12:23:00 am
I actually have one of these superfoam mattress covers, and I just put that on the floor. It is insane how comfortable it is.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Derakon on May 24, 2008, 01:00:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by LeoLeonardoIII:
<STRONG>Still. There's very little difference between that and lying on the floor with two electric blankets.</STRONG>
There's an important difference:

These are shinier.

My mattress sits directly on the floor, for what it's worth. Got used to doing things that way in college, when I needed the space above my desk for storage.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Kagus on May 24, 2008, 01:13:00 am
The mattresses in India weren't that far off from stone slabs...  I was a bit wary at first, after the sharp thwacking sounds they gave off if you put your hand down on one, but they turned out to be very comfortable.

However, stiff mattresses are best suited for lying on your back or on your stomach.  Sleeping on your side doesn't work out quite as smoothly.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Gorjo MacGrymm on May 24, 2008, 11:33:00 am
this is a copy of a post i made in the suggestion forum a few days ago:

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Mattresses.

Why you ask (or dont)? I reallllly get annoyed (cuz im weird) by the fact that my stone loving dwarves sleep on wood bunks. Why cant I make stone beds? Why cant i make a frikken ruby enameled gold encrusted adamantite and aluminum bed (yeah i know....just an example). The answer is obvious currently. Its too hard for my poor wittle stunties to sleep on. Well then, mr handy dandyy clothier should make someone a silk frikken mattress for their poor wittle bruised behinds! unhappy thought = wood bed | happy thought = stone bed | happy thought = plant cloth mattress | happy thought = silk mattress. Oh and remember, it is a crime to remove the mattress tags.........
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any thoughts?

GMcG

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 24, 2008, 11:38:00 am
Heh...

King: For removing your mattress tags, you shall recieve 4509 hammer strikes. After that, 50 years in jail.

I don't think stone beds should give a happy thought. It's basically sleeping on the floor. Stick a mattress on one, then perhaps you would get a happy thought.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Derakon on May 24, 2008, 12:17:00 pm
Beds should still be made out of wood.

Why? Because wood's hard to get. Certainly compared to stone, anyway.

I could see multi-component beds, but they'd need to use harder-to-get materials than just stone. Entirely too much stuff is made out of stone as it is.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: RPharazon on May 24, 2008, 01:29:00 pm
One of my masons created an artifact lignite bed. It was really weird.

It was also the only bed left not soggy after the entire fortress flooded and I abandoned it.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Joseph Miles on May 24, 2008, 01:33:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Derakon:
<STRONG>Beds should still be made out of wood.

Why? Because wood's hard to get. Certainly compared to stone, anyway.

I could see multi-component beds, but they'd need to use harder-to-get materials than just stone. Entirely too much stuff is made out of stone as it is.</STRONG>


Thats because stones are the dwarf "thing" They live in mountains, underground, what ELSE is there for them to use? Sure, there's wood, but thats hard to get underground.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: NikkTheTrick on May 24, 2008, 02:30:00 pm
quote:
Sure, there's wood, but thats hard to get underground.[/QB]

Which is precisely why beds should be limited to wood or at least alternative should be a big pain in the ass to make (stone bed + matress which is really hard to make).
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Doniazade on May 24, 2008, 02:51:00 pm
Wow, those beds looks like they consume a shitload of energy.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Samyotix on May 24, 2008, 03:03:00 pm
Well, if we can't get stone beds, how about Leather Pillows, Rope Reed Blankets and GCS Satin Bedspreads?   :D

[ May 24, 2008: Message edited by: Samyotix ]

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: MuonDecay on May 24, 2008, 03:30:00 pm
Stone beds would work fine, no mattress needed.

Most stones are quite soft and supple compared to a tough dwarven body. In fact, my top miner's beard alone is harder than his current wooden bed.

Were Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick stout Udib in the chest... several new elements would briefly come into existence in the resulting cataclysmic explosion of foot flesh, bone, and assorted beard crumbs.

Udib would shrug and continue drinking.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Elitay on May 24, 2008, 04:38:00 pm
Judging by the functionality of artifact stone beds... a dwarf WILL sleep in a stone bed but only if it's REALLY pretty.   :)
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Duke 2.0 on May 24, 2008, 05:09:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Elitay:
<STRONG>Judging by the functionality of artifact stone beds... a dwarf WILL sleep in a stone bed but only if it's REALLY pretty.    :)</STRONG>

I'm sure they just do it to humor the artifact maker.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Jayfrin on May 24, 2008, 08:22:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Duke 2.0:
<STRONG>

I'm sure they just do it to humor the artifact maker.</STRONG>



Dwarf looking for artifact bed maker: "Where's Urist?"
Dwarf forced to use stone bed: "Floating face down in a moat somewhere..."
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Skjarl on May 25, 2008, 08:47:00 am
I think the mattress is implied in any bed.  A wooden bed would be just as uncomfortable as a stone bed.    :p  I'm pretty sure when you build a bed in this game, you are actually just building the frame.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Sir Edmund on May 25, 2008, 02:24:00 pm
I think stone beds would work, though it would be nice if you could add blankets and the like. The way i have thought of wood beds is that the dwarves use the wood and branches to build the frame, then use the bark in strips and weaving them to create a sort of hammock or something though i guess this would only work with certain trees like willow .They could even use the leaves as pillows, remember dwarves are hard :P.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Erk on May 26, 2008, 05:20:00 am
I've always thought the bed thing a pretty artificial way to force dwarves to use wood. I prefer the machinery using wood - that makes more sense, as a stone waterwheel ain't gonna turn too easily. I like the idea of having cloth mattresses to improve beds and give the sleeper a happier thought! otherwise I've always thought beds should be makable out of any material.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on May 26, 2008, 06:52:00 am
like:
Urist was ecstatic recently. He lost a friend recently. He admired a fine crafted dwarf-bone bed recently. He sleep in a legendary bedroom recently.

[ May 26, 2008: Message edited by: Mohreb el Yasim ]

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: MuonDecay on May 26, 2008, 07:07:00 am
There's always the idea of making fine beds (as opposed to common beds as I assume are made now) with plush, luxurious mattresses. Something to make the nobles feel important.

Of course the first time they slept in it they'd cover the sheets in the blood and vomit that they've been coated in for the past 35 years. Dwarves only make soap as a trade good, indeed.

[ May 26, 2008: Message edited by: MuonDecay ]

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: rkyeun on June 06, 2008, 12:44:00 pm
I do believe trees should remain required for beds, because the relative scarcity of trees has an impact on difficulty level in this manner. However I do not like being ONLY able to make wooden brown beds. I want to be able to make beds out of many materials and have them be many colors.

Log + Material + (Dwarf with Materialworking) + (Materialworking Shop) = Material Bed.

It sure beats adding a smelter reaction to pop out no-quality steel beds, or editing dogs to drop masterwork steel beds by unknown artists when impaled on spikes.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Solara on June 06, 2008, 01:50:00 pm
I think you should be able to make beds out of stone (or metal) but like has already been suggested, some sort of cloth should be required too. It should be required for regular wood beds too, IMO.

There really needs to be more uses for cloth and leather anyway, the only things you ever really need to make are bags.

[ June 06, 2008: Message edited by: Solara ]

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Krash on June 06, 2008, 02:03:00 pm
I feel deeply flattered by the nickname the OP has chosen

[ June 06, 2008: Message edited by: Krash ]

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Wild Goose on June 06, 2008, 11:42:00 pm
Saguaro beds.  Only the toughest dwarves need to apply.

Actually, speaking of using stone for beds, what about orthopedic gravel?  Armok help them if my dwarves start doing that, though; the only rock I've got is obsidian.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Deon on June 07, 2008, 01:46:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by NikkTheTrick:
<STRONG>
Which is precisely why beds should be limited to wood or at least alternative should be a big pain in the ass to make (stone bed + matress which is really hard to make).</STRONG>

Why do we make chairs/tables of stone then? Which give almost same happy thoughts? I see no reason in this.
And I don't think that the wood is much harder to get than stone.
Very often if you embark in 3-level aquifier forest it's much easier to make a ton of beds than a single forge.

[ June 07, 2008: Message edited by: Deon ]

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Neonivek on June 07, 2008, 02:07:00 am
quote:
Why do we make chairs/tables of stone then?

Because those can just be flat and hard.

Beds have to be soft, which is why the soft part is made of a kind of Soft Cork

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Wood Gnome on June 07, 2008, 02:11:00 am
a gcs blanket dyed a soothing blood red would look very nice in my dwarves' bedrooms, i think.  guaranteed for a pleasant night's sleep. and making matresses, blankets and pillows would sure give the clothiers and leather workers something to do besides make bags   :D  i hate socks.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Boethiah on June 07, 2008, 02:18:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by PTTG??:
<STRONG>I actually have one of these superfoam mattress covers, and I just put that on the floor. It is insane how comfortable it is.</STRONG>

And that is my crib! *ques credits*

I couldnt imagine sleeping on a rock, wouldn't it be bad for your body?

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Wild Goose on June 07, 2008, 08:50:00 am
Eh, I hear they sometimes actually have that sort of thing as orthopedic.  Just don't get the one lined with obsidian chips.  XD
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Reynard on June 07, 2008, 12:36:00 pm
I'm thinking multiple levels of sleep quality.

-Sleeping on the floor
-Sleeping with a blanket (just cloth)
-Sleeping in a hammock (cloth + some support structure made of wood or stone)
-Sleeping on a pallet (cloth filled with straw/sawdust i.e. plant matter/wood)
-Sleeping on a mattress (cloth, filled with feathers and maybe metal bedsprings)

It'd be a good way to encourage early cloth making. As is I tend to let it sit quite a while.

Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: C0nscript on June 08, 2008, 06:37:00 pm
I got a hematite bed. It's red.
Title: Re: Stone beds
Post by: Lyrax on June 08, 2008, 10:44:00 pm
I had a rhyolite artifact bed.  Near worthless, since the creator didn't pick up other materials, but fun nevertheless.

I agree that bedding would be a nice addition, though, and would make metal or stone beds more believable and viable.