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Title: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 05, 2016, 07:53:54 am
I recently became a legendary hero and have been wandering round the village inns telling everyone about it. My storytelling skills are fairly poor but I usually finish off by performing 'Savages and the Chestnut Perishment', a solo dance in which I spin round and round as fast as possible. We all drink too much and a good time is had by all.

Out of interest I looked up my exploits in the great hall of records that is Legends Mode. Here is the story (apologies if images don't come out properly - first time posting with pictures).

In the year 250, while attempting not to get involved in a rather bloody insurrection, I ran into these two fellows:
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They asked for my help, I inquired about their families and off we went. Imbo Pokedaxes was first as his home was nearby. His father being the lord of the keep was pretty easy to locate. Happy reunion and a joyous time was had by all. The lord even chanted as I danced Savages and the Chestnut Perishment to the delight of all. History records the happy day:
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Browsing the records, something seems...not quite right. Sure, we all drank a lot, and the story I tell tends to make me out as a little more legendary each time. Cross-referencing the records reveals that somewhere along the line history has gotten a little twisted.
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Now, I may have told the story one too many times, but I'm pretty sure I remember what actually happened. It's not like I could have missed this extra member of our party:
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I guess this is just a bug, our journey doesn't actually feature in Dak Thiefbud's biography, but it'd be nice to think that one drunken night we added him just for the hell of it and the historians stuck with it.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: peasant cretin on January 05, 2016, 08:06:41 am
I like the idea that every story changes a bit with every retelling. I like the idea that heavy drinking can and will change a retelling. Put these two together and then the magic happens. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_Train#Style)

It'd be interesting to see if anyone else is getting that result as well.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on January 05, 2016, 11:15:59 pm
Rescues, like confronting vampires, seem to get recorded weirdly. Max had something similar happen to him in 40.24.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Max™ on January 06, 2016, 03:14:35 am
A named spider who died centuries before I even played was helping rescue kids I had in fact rescued.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on January 06, 2016, 04:12:03 am
A named spider who died centuries before I even played was helping rescue kids I had in fact rescued.
The power of make believe!
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: nanomage on January 07, 2016, 12:44:50 am
A named spider who died centuries before I even played was helping rescue kids I had in fact rescued.
this is just brilliant and provides much insight into how legends are made.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: HiddenEyes056 on January 07, 2016, 04:12:31 am
A named spider who died centuries before I even played was helping rescue kids I had in fact rescued.

Well, I finally found a suitable sig quote.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Robsoie on January 07, 2016, 08:22:17 pm
I hope it's intended to simulate how stories are slightly modified when told by people, then people telling other people, then ... through time.
You reporting
"I punched a hen from behind in the peaceful meadow"
month later leading to
"I heard that guy killed a hog around the farm"
then months later
"It's said that a night troll butchered a farmer near the city"
and years later
"It's dangerous out there, a bronze titan has been crushing cities all around the region"
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on January 07, 2016, 09:24:43 pm
I hope it's intended to simulate how stories are slightly modified when told by people, then people telling other people, then ... through time.
While that would be nice, I think the vampire-exposition bug rules that out. I don't know that I've ever been credited with exposing a vampire, regardless of how many other people are around.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Uzu Bash on January 15, 2016, 12:35:17 pm
EDIT: oops, wrong thread
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: pikachu17 on February 16, 2016, 11:40:17 am
when I kill a vampire people call me a murderer
when people spit at me does it train dodge, armor or shield?
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Max™ on February 16, 2016, 12:44:22 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Untrustedlife on February 16, 2016, 02:14:33 pm
I hope it's intended to simulate how stories are slightly modified when told by people, then people telling other people, then ... through time.
While that would be nice, I think the vampire-exposition bug rules that out. I don't know that I've ever been credited with exposing a vampire, regardless of how many other people are around.

Hope toady is aware of this bug.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Fruitsbrain Weapon-tosser on February 16, 2016, 04:57:52 pm
I hope it's intended to simulate how stories are slightly modified when told by people, then people telling other people, then ... through time.
While that would be nice, I think the vampire-exposition bug rules that out. I don't know that I've ever been credited with exposing a vampire, regardless of how many other people are around.
I've exposed several Vampires in front of their Civ, and the commoners didn't seem to care one way or the other. Still get called a killer. Guess they enjoy their blood sucking cults.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: pikachu17 on February 19, 2016, 02:32:55 pm
a killer means you killed something. a murderer is someone who killed someone they didn't want dead.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Uzu Bash on February 19, 2016, 07:30:06 pm
No, murder is more specific. If you attack or escalate to lethal and then kill a sentient being, then you're a murderer. If it's an enemy of the civ or site group, they won't call you a murderer, but they may consider you unhinged anyway. Exposing a vampire automatically makes them an enemy of the civ and each individual site group in it.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Dozebôm Lolumzalěs on February 22, 2016, 06:25:27 pm
Not really. I've died several times to "you're killing our pet vampire! nooo!" *stab the adventurer hero guy in the heart with a silver carving knife* *he dies*

I have a save if you'd like to either a. see what's going on
or b. demonstrate how to not die to angry villagers when you attack the vampire.

Hehe. "No, he's the vampire! Not me! Stop, angry villager mob, you're killing the wrong guy!"
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Uzu Bash on February 22, 2016, 06:33:29 pm
Not really.
Yes, really. Check your legends, it's exactly what happens.

I've killed vampires lords and law-givers right in the middle of the keep, and they may have a hard core of culties still supporting him, but not everyone in court is one of them, and the guards never are. Telling them about legendary kills beforehand certainly gives them pause. I usually do that as a matter of courtesy, so they know what they're up against.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Max™ on February 23, 2016, 01:52:30 am
Things are weird when people knew someone before they profaned a church or before they were kidnapped and turned into a night creature.

I've been told to go find a night creature to ask about directions, found them (tongueless and wouldn't talk even if they could, not sure if that bug is fixed), but they were just killing people so I shanked them. Turned the whole town against me. "You're a legendary hero, but those acts bring no forgiveness, you murdered soandso!" With spitting and such.

"Go ask the groaning crone husband for directions."
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'Uh, ok, where?'
"Check the sewers around here."
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'Oh hey, that asterisk is probably him.'
*catch up*
'Hello Shato.'
*silence*
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...
'Well shit he's killing people, guess I gotta shank him.'
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'WTF DOOD, HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE!'
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Elfhater69 on February 23, 2016, 04:27:11 am
Things are weird when people knew someone before they profaned a church or before they were kidnapped and turned into a night creature.

I've been told to go find a night creature to ask about directions, found them (tongueless and wouldn't talk even if they could, not sure if that bug is fixed), but they were just killing people so I shanked them. Turned the whole town against me. "You're a legendary hero, but those acts bring no forgiveness, you murdered soandso!" With spitting and such.

"Go ask the groaning crone husband for directions."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
'Uh, ok, where?'
"Check the sewers around here."
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
'Oh hey, that asterisk is probably him.'
*catch up*
'Hello Shato.'
*silence*
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...
'Well shit he's killing people, guess I gotta shank him.'
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
'WTF DOOD, HE WAS KILLING PEOPLE!'
I would like to believe they are all best friends and were pulling a prank on this new guy in town, and then that new guy straight up kills the prankster.
If you wouldve waited long enough in sure the vamp would be like "its just a prank bro"
"The camera is right there!"
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: pikachu17 on February 23, 2016, 10:23:29 am
in my first game in a world, I was a hearthperson of someone, and I was told to kill a vampire. I went to the vampire's keep(he was a law-giver) and exposed him. then I tried to kill him. EVERYONE in town started attacking me, unfortunately the warriors tavern and market was right next to the keep, so a LOT of people tried to kill me. finally a lasher got me, and killed me. so I started a new adventurer and got the same quest from my new lord, so went to that keep again, but everyone I asked told me he should be in the keep, even the people in the keep, but he was nowhere to be found, what do I do?
BTW I love the hearthperson quests. I can get credit for killing something, my companion actually killed
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Nep Nep on February 26, 2016, 10:54:43 pm
in my first game in a world, I was a hearthperson of someone, and I was told to kill a vampire. I went to the vampire's keep(he was a law-giver) and exposed him. then I tried to kill him. EVERYONE in town started attacking me, unfortunately the warriors tavern and market was right next to the keep, so a LOT of people tried to kill me. finally a lasher got me, and killed me. so I started a new adventurer and got the same quest from my new lord, so went to that keep again, but everyone I asked told me he should be in the keep, even the people in the keep, but he was nowhere to be found, what do I do?
BTW I love the hearthperson quests. I can get credit for killing something, my companion actually killed
The game seemingly fails to recognize the Vampire as the enemy (said vampire being non hostile MIGHT have something to do with it, not experienced with bugs) but the game treats them like regular characters, often.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on February 26, 2016, 11:13:26 pm
in my first game in a world, I was a hearthperson of someone, and I was told to kill a vampire. I went to the vampire's keep(he was a law-giver) and exposed him. then I tried to kill him. EVERYONE in town started attacking me, unfortunately the warriors tavern and market was right next to the keep, so a LOT of people tried to kill me. finally a lasher got me, and killed me. so I started a new adventurer and got the same quest from my new lord, so went to that keep again, but everyone I asked told me he should be in the keep, even the people in the keep, but he was nowhere to be found, what do I do?
BTW I love the hearthperson quests. I can get credit for killing something, my companion actually killed
The game seemingly fails to recognize the Vampire as the enemy (said vampire being non hostile MIGHT have something to do with it, not experienced with bugs) but the game treats them like regular characters, often.
To a certain extent it's working fine. Some psychopath wanders into town, declares the local weaver a fiend of the night and slices off his head, how do you think everyone will react? Oh, right vampire, sure, good job! Not very likely.

The ability to prove a vampire is a vampire and encourage the townsfolk to rise up against them like they do in worldgen is required.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: pikachu17 on March 01, 2016, 10:40:33 am
in my first game in a world, I was a hearthperson of someone, and I was told to kill a vampire. I went to the vampire's keep(he was a law-giver) and exposed him. then I tried to kill him. EVERYONE in town started attacking me, unfortunately the warriors tavern and market was right next to the keep, so a LOT of people tried to kill me. finally a lasher got me, and killed me. so I started a new adventurer and got the same quest from my new lord, so went to that keep again, but everyone I asked told me he should be in the keep, even the people in the keep, but he was nowhere to be found, what do I do?
BTW I love the hearthperson quests. I can get credit for killing something, my companion actually killed
The game seemingly fails to recognize the Vampire as the enemy (said vampire being non hostile MIGHT have something to do with it, not experienced with bugs) but the game treats them like regular characters, often.
To a certain extent it's working fine. Some psychopath wanders into town, declares the local weaver a fiend of the night and slices off his head, how do you think everyone will react? Oh, right vampire, sure, good job! Not very likely.

The ability to prove a vampire is a vampire and encourage the townsfolk to rise up against them like they do in worldgen is required.
what happens if you sleep next to a vampire?
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Uzu Bash on March 01, 2016, 10:56:18 am
what happens if you sleep next to a vampire?
They stare at you hungrily all night long. That's all.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: pikachu17 on March 01, 2016, 11:25:26 am
what happens if you sleep next to a vampire?
They stare at you hungrily all night long. That's all.
I was kinda hoping it would expose them, without killing you. :(
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: HiddenEyes056 on March 18, 2016, 05:25:35 pm
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That line is so cool. Like, he recognises it's a big deal of you to have fearlessly faced off with a monster, but at the same time he can't forgive you. They still consider it to be a member of the community. Perhaps they think they can cure the curse somehow? Then you came along and killed him. Murderer!

It's a bit like The Walking Dead, where people get all pissy about killing zombies because there might be a way to turn them back.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Untrustedlife on March 18, 2016, 05:29:09 pm
in my first game in a world, I was a hearthperson of someone, and I was told to kill a vampire. I went to the vampire's keep(he was a law-giver) and exposed him. then I tried to kill him. EVERYONE in town started attacking me, unfortunately the warriors tavern and market was right next to the keep, so a LOT of people tried to kill me. finally a lasher got me, and killed me. so I started a new adventurer and got the same quest from my new lord, so went to that keep again, but everyone I asked told me he should be in the keep, even the people in the keep, but he was nowhere to be found, what do I do?
BTW I love the hearthperson quests. I can get credit for killing something, my companion actually killed
The game seemingly fails to recognize the Vampire as the enemy (said vampire being non hostile MIGHT have something to do with it, not experienced with bugs) but the game treats them like regular characters, often.

You are wrong, if you tell a lord, they will recognize that you killed a nuisance and they will not claim you are a murderer, the lay folk don't know any better. Try it.

The lord will be happy that you have "rid them of a nuisance", the towns folk still think you killed someone. It actually makes sense, would a normal townsfolk know that that person was  a vampire? probably not, but a nobleman will ..perhaps rid them of it quietly.

If the vamp is from a different hamlet then the lord who gave you the quest make sure to tell as many people as possible ( including the lord) about the vampires  (via the spread rumor option) "soandso vampire's presence in  hamletname " otherwise they won't know.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Untrustedlife on March 18, 2016, 05:31:43 pm
Not really.
Yes, really. Check your legends, it's exactly what happens.

I've killed vampires lords and law-givers right in the middle of the keep, and they may have a hard core of culties still supporting him, but not everyone in court is one of them, and the guards never are. Telling them about legendary kills beforehand certainly gives them pause. I usually do that as a matter of courtesy, so they know what they're up against.

This right here ^^ babam
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: TheFlame52 on March 21, 2016, 08:10:47 pm
What if the vampire didn't feed on people? What if he only drank blood from animals that needed to be slaughtered? Both parties would get something: The vampire would get blood, and the people would have a way of slaughtering animals that doesn't involve a lot of mooing and kicking.
Title: Re: You are a skilled storyteller. If somewhat prone to exaggeration...
Post by: Dunamisdeos on March 22, 2016, 03:02:16 pm
I always assumed that the term slaughterhouse just meant dropping a house on a bunch of cows, Wizard of Oz style.

Also, I made this:
Spoiler:  Who dat (click to show/hide)