Post by: flabort on January 09, 2016, 03:37:47 pm
Many mortals chosen were pure of heart and true followers of the gods who had chosen them, but trouble lurked among them. A few conspired together, realizing that if the gods were usurped once more, their powers would only increase...
Flabort's High Powered Bring Your Own Role 2 (FHPBYOR2 for convenience, or FB2 for the lazy) is a Bring Your Own Role mafia with another twist thrown in. Like any standard Bring Your Own Role, when you sign up you PM me an idea; whether it's a phrase, a word, a wikipedia link, youtube video or song, a picture, a shakerag, a past mafia game, or a chapter of Worm, etc etc, whatever you like. I take that idea, and it becomes your role for this game. However, that's where the "Flabort's High Powered" twist comes in. You send me MORE THAN ONE idea! Players submit between 2 and 8 role ideas, and you obtain two of them at random as your roles (yes, plural). Any remaining roles are thrown into a mixing pot and randomly but evenly distributed to players as mini-roles. Your alignment is also separate from your roles; while one may be affected by any particular power, the other is unlikely to be affected by the same power.
Signups will end and the game will begin when there are no other BYOR style mafia games in progress, for the sake of keeping the stress of dealing with powers to a low boil. We'll also do a confirmation check at that time to make sure nobody's lost interest or disappeared.
Due to the high-powered nature of this game, it is classified as a Bastard game. Some of the following rules may be changed unexpectedly.
Here are my basic rules, which will NOT be changed:
-Days last 72 hours. Nights last 48 hours. These are Phases. Cycles are a day and the following night.
-Weekends count for half time, instead of no-time. For example, a day starting on Friday would end on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. Phases that end on a weekend will end Sunday Evening.
-Days may be extended if 1/3 of the players vote for it in Bold and an eye-catching color (as long as I can see it easily). Extensions last 24 hours, and there are 2 extensions available in a day.
-Days may be shortened if 3/4 of the players vote for it in Bold and an eye-catching color (again, I need to see it to count). Shortened days will end on the evening of the day that the vote goes through.
-During the Night the thread will be locked, and power actions must be PMed to me. During the Day, any power actions you may take must still be PMed to me. Unless there is an exception to this rule in your powers, you may take one Power Action per phase.
-When you sign up, you must make a post in the thread to sign up, AND send me a PM containing two or more role ideas, up to 8 maximum. Should there be a number of extra roles to distribute that cannot be distributed evenly, players who sent more roles are more likely then players who sent less to recieve the remainder of the roles. Until a valid PM and a valid post are made, you are not in the game.
-I reserve the right to veto or reject any roles I find offensive to myself or others. I also reserve the right to make up nonsensical powers for role ideas that I do not fully understand or cannot interpret, or to veto or reject those role ideas if they are too far removed from my knowledge base or creativity. Like with the above rule, if this makes it so that you do not have the minimum two role ideas, you are not in the game, but you may PM me more ideas to make up the difference. You may not exceed the limit of 8 roles total by sending extra PMs.
-You must have played at least one non-beginner's mafia on Bay12 and survived past the first night. Sorry, not making exceptions this time, because with this much power/bastardry a newbie would be completely overwhelmed.
The following basic rules may be changed if certain conditions take place:
-Votes to lynch another player must be in RED. They also must be clear who they are talking about (Flabsy, Flabort, Abort, etc will work for Flabort, for example). They player with the most votes at the end of a day phase will be lynched. A vote, once placed, may be removed with the word "Unvote", in red like a vote, or by placing a different vote, at any time during the same day phase. Votes do not carry over to the next day phase, and each player gets one vote without the aid of automatic powers.
-No PMing other players. If you receive a PM from another player relating to this game, report it by PM to your local game moderator immediately (me). Players caught sending PMs to each other will receive an Infraction.
-No quoting PMs received from the moderator (me). Players caught quoting my private communications with them will receive an Infraction. You may paraphrase these communications as much as you like without infractions.
-No editing posts. Players caught editing posts will receive an Infraction.
-Lurkers will be punished. Players that go for over a Day phase without posting will receive an Infraction. Fair warning: Posts that only serve to promise you will post later in the day do not count as posts if you do not follow up on that! Players that continue to lurk and go a second Day phase without posting will receive three more Infractions.
-Players that accumulate 2 Infractions will be unable to use their roles for a cycle, and again for every 2 more infractions that they incur. Players that accumulate 4 Infractions will be put up for replacement. If not replacement is found and that player accumulates 6 Infractions, they will be modkilled immediately. This will not end the current phase.
-Players up for replacement by any means except for requesting replacement will be modkilled if a replacement cannot be found after 72 hours.
-There may be post restrictions. They will not interfere with your ability to play the game by posting.
-If you die, all your Infractions go away. You may still earn Infractions again by continuing to be a rules-breaker.
-When you die, you will receive a link to the deadchat, hosted on Quicktopic. The scum team also have a scumchat, which is also hosted on Quicktopic. Don't share this link with anyone who hasn't received it already from me, which falls under the same rule as no PMs.
-Have fun and play to win. If you are deemed to be playing to loose, you will incur an Infraction. This is possibly the hardest way to incur an infraction.
-Play nice with others. If others are not having fun, you are not playing nice with them. Don't be a jerk, don't be deliberately antagonistic, and don't deliberately earn Infractions. If you break this rule, it's an Infraction, the second hardest way to earn an infraction.
The following rules have been added:
Some posts may be edited by Mephansteras. These are caused by powers, which are still PMed to me, not to Mephansteras.
kills of any sort have a 20% chance of failing (on top of any other chances) but bypass all protection abilities, and any other action has a 10% chance of turning into a kill.
Spectators are able to PM me during the night with someone they'd like to see night-killed. Spectators are non-players, people who are not in the game. This functions as a vote, and the person with the most spectator votes at the end of the night is killed.
Here is the by-now traditional cheat-sheet for possible alignments, action order, etc, stolen from Webadict.
Spoiler: Webadict on Roles (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Webadict on Action Order (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Webadict on Alignments (click to show/hide)
Players:
OragamiScienceGuy
TheDarkStar
Tiruin
Shakerag
Teneb
TolyK
Non-Player Characters:
The Tumbling Tumbleweed
THE SARGENT
Replacement list:
FillipK
This could be you!
No-one has been replaced.
The Game Starts HERE! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6789942#msg6789942)
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 09, 2016, 03:44:44 pm
Post by: Jack A T on January 09, 2016, 03:51:04 pm
Hypothetical situation: Every single player posts a photo (and I mean photo, not screenshot) (harder to manipulate) of their role PM at the start of the game. Absolutely no punishment.
Edit: Hypothetical 2: every townie about to be lynched immediately edits 6 posts, gets 6 infractions, gets modkilled. Free lynch, no night!
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 09, 2016, 04:04:19 pm
Post by: flabort on January 09, 2016, 04:14:16 pm
That infraction system is amazingly broken.It was meant to discourage rules-breaking.
Hypothetical situation: Every single player posts a photo (and I mean photo, not screenshot) (harder to manipulate) of their role PM at the start of the game. Absolutely no punishment.
Edit: Hypothetical 2: every townie about to be lynched immediately edits 6 posts, gets 6 infractions, gets modkilled. Free lynch, no night!
Also, like the disclaimer above them says, those rules are not set in stone.
Post by: Jack A T on January 09, 2016, 04:20:52 pm
It was meant to discourage rules-breaking.By declaring that players may cheat once before and once after death with relatively little penalty, and by weakening penalties almost across the board? Seems an odd way to discourage that.
Also, like the disclaimer above them says, those rules are not set in stone.True. Still, I strongly recommend using a standard mod discretion-based system with possible role-related modifications. Keep the power to quickly oust people self-confirming their townhood through rules violations. Keep the power to only warn in response to the minor inexperience/habit edits.
Post by: Tawa on January 09, 2016, 04:31:40 pm
Also:
-No PMing other players. If you receive a PM from another player relating to this game, report it by PM to your local game moderator immediately (me). Players caught sending PMs to each other will receive an Infraction.So. If I got Scum alignment, I could share scumchat with everybody and not get immediately modkilled for ruining the game? Cool.
...
-Don't share [the scumchat] link with anyone who hasn't received it already from me, which falls under the same rule as no PMs.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 09, 2016, 04:34:00 pm
Though I would love to send in more than 8 roles.
But I'm still in.
Post by: fillipk on January 09, 2016, 05:42:36 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 09, 2016, 05:52:36 pm
In, for the time being. Is there a set number/upper limit of players you're going to have in the game?
Post by: Tawa on January 09, 2016, 05:58:26 pm
In, for the time being. Is there a set number/upper limit of players you're going to have in the game?
Haha, there's X+1 spots, where X is the number of players who want to sign up. By which I mean there's no need to reserve, just sign up when I get permission to put it up. OP's all ready to go.
Post by: flabort on January 09, 2016, 06:03:24 pm
Is there a set number/upper limit of players you're going to have in the game?I'm just thinking a lower-limit of 9; no upper limit, because I doubt that there are that many interested players that I couldn't handle all the PMs in one day. ;P
Yes, but why would you do that? I mean, it would certainly count for not playing to win, as well, unless you somehow had a second alignment. So there's a second infraction, giving you a kick in the pants/powers, and there's the fact that town (or A town or third party player, if you PMed it to them) would now know who the scum were, which would mean you'd almost certainly be lynched, and have lost the game. It's within the rules of my Infraction system to do so, but it's still not something you want to do! ;)-No PMing other players. If you receive a PM from another player relating to this game, report it by PM to your local game moderator immediately (me). Players caught sending PMs to each other will receive an Infraction.So. If I got Scum alignment, I could share scumchat with everybody and not get immediately modkilled for ruining the game? Cool.
...
-Don't share [the scumchat] link with anyone who hasn't received it already from me, which falls under the same rule as no PMs.
TDS, Hector I'll need a PM with your role ideas to let you in.
Post by: Tawa on January 09, 2016, 06:12:07 pm
Yes, but why would you do that? I mean, it would certainly count for not playing to win, as well, unless you somehow had a second alignment. So there's a second infraction, giving you a kick in the pants/powers, and there's the fact that town (or A town or third party player, if you PMed it to them) would now know who the scum were, which would mean you'd almost certainly be lynched, and have lost the game. It's within the rules of my Infraction system to do so, but it's still not something you want to do! ;)Trolling, of course. All that preparation would go down the drain.
That said, I doubt that modkills would stop that, but still...
EDIT: Ah, you know what, never mind. I'm just pointlessly nitpicking. I have a bit of a habit of imagining situations and how they'd play out... :v
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 09, 2016, 07:13:51 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 09, 2016, 08:13:54 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 10, 2016, 12:23:27 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 13, 2016, 01:44:38 am
[...]Shakerag has a reputation. :P
Flabort's High Powered Bring Your Own Role 2 (FHPBYOR2 for convenience, or FB2 for the lazy) is a Bring Your Own Role mafia with another twist thrown in. Like any standard Bring Your Own Role, when you sign up you PM me an idea; whether it's a phrase, a word, a wikipedia link, youtube video or song, a picture, a shakerag, a past mafia game, or a chapter of Worm, etc etc, whatever you like. I take that idea, and it becomes your role for this game. However, that's where the "Flabort's High Powered" twist comes in. You send me MORE THAN ONE idea! Players submit between 2 and 8 role ideas, and you obtain two of them at random as your roles (yes, plural). Any remaining roles are thrown into a mixing pot and randomly but evenly distributed to players as mini-roles. Your alignment is also separate from your roles; while one may be affected by any particular power, the other is unlikely to be affected by the same power.
In!
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 13, 2016, 09:19:13 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 13, 2016, 09:36:31 am
Especially considering the Mafia legends that are signing up.
Post by: Shakerag on January 13, 2016, 09:50:49 am
Especially considering the Mafia legends that are signing up.Where?
>_>
<_<
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 13, 2016, 09:51:29 am
you?
Post by: Shakerag on January 13, 2016, 10:00:45 am
Now to think up 2-8 roles that won't get rejected.
Post by: notquitethere on January 13, 2016, 01:34:27 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 13, 2016, 02:08:14 pm
Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...Hey, I'm a legend now!
you?
I saw the NQT symbol shining from the spotlight off the roof of the precinct. Commissioner Flabort needs me!Yay!
Post by: notquitethere on January 13, 2016, 02:12:32 pm
Stick around long enough and it happens to the worst of us.Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...Hey, I'm a legend now!
you?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 13, 2016, 03:46:33 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 13, 2016, 04:03:50 pm
Hey 4mask. I'm starting a Bastard mod after this game. It was one of your Bastard games that was my first, so I thought that was nice.Cool! Yeah, I remember that, you fake claimed a role even more ridiculous than the one I actually gave you and people almost bought it. You were a replacement, too. That was a well-played game by a lot of people.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 13, 2016, 04:08:11 pm
Everybody believed it except Deus Asmoth >:(Hey 4mask. I'm starting a Bastard mod after this game. It was one of your Bastard games that was my first, so I thought that was nice.Cool! Yeah, I remember that, you fake claimed a role even more ridiculous than the one I actually gave you and people almost bought it. You were a replacement, too. That was a well-played game by a lot of people.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 13, 2016, 05:36:58 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 13, 2016, 05:47:55 pm
Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...
What am I, the perpetually-dead guy?
:P
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 13, 2016, 07:22:16 pm
Post by: flabort on January 13, 2016, 09:32:02 pm
Getting a memorable avatar might help with the perpetually dying. ;)Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...
What am I, the perpetually-dead guy?
:P
Don't worry, actually, your profile (username+personal text+sig) is memorable enough. To me you're "The guy who's a big enough threat that I need to kill him ASAP" when we're in the same game and I'm evil. ;D Which maybe leads to your current predicament, so here's hoping the RNG is in your favor for the baking phase.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 13, 2016, 09:35:06 pm
Someone should submit "Roles Baker" or some such.
Post by: Tiruin on January 14, 2016, 01:41:20 am
You need an avatar :V I keep mistaking you for those without avatars, like TheBiggerFishie.Getting a memorable avatar might help with the perpetually dying. ;)Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...
What am I, the perpetually-dead guy?
:P
Don't worry, actually, your profile (username+personal text+sig) is memorable enough. To me you're "The guy who's a big enough threat that I need to kill him ASAP" when we're in the same game and I'm evil. ;D Which maybe leads to your current predicament, so here's hoping the RNG is in your favor for the baking phase.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 14, 2016, 02:20:13 am
You mean "the guy 4mask fries"? Fishy still doesn't have an avatar.You need an avatar :V I keep mistaking you for those without avatars, like TheBiggerFishie.Getting a memorable avatar might help with the perpetually dying. ;)Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...
What am I, the perpetually-dead guy?
:P
Don't worry, actually, your profile (username+personal text+sig) is memorable enough. To me you're "The guy who's a big enough threat that I need to kill him ASAP" when we're in the same game and I'm evil. ;D Which maybe leads to your current predicament, so here's hoping the RNG is in your favor for the baking phase.
Post by: Tiruin on January 14, 2016, 02:29:42 am
Yep! I mean this awesome dude (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=112278) (Who I only know very recently but see a lot of posts). He could do with a nice avatar :PYou mean "the guy 4mask fries"? Fishy still doesn't have an avatar.You need an avatar :V I keep mistaking you for those without avatars, like TheBiggerFishie.Getting a memorable avatar might help with the perpetually dying. ;)Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Deus Asmoth...
What am I, the perpetually-dead guy?
:P
Don't worry, actually, your profile (username+personal text+sig) is memorable enough. To me you're "The guy who's a big enough threat that I need to kill him ASAP" when we're in the same game and I'm evil. ;D Which maybe leads to your current predicament, so here's hoping the RNG is in your favor for the baking phase.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 14, 2016, 04:19:40 am
Yep! I mean this awesome dude (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=112278) (Who I only know very recently but see a lot of posts). He could do with a nice avatar :PYeah that guy. I fried him a few months ago.
Post by: notquitethere on January 15, 2016, 10:24:22 am
Post by: Teneb on January 15, 2016, 10:46:33 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 15, 2016, 11:09:36 am
Post by: roo on January 15, 2016, 11:27:12 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 16, 2016, 06:49:58 pm
... we need more than 12 people, dangit!
17 would be nice, but 19 would be preferred.
For me, anyway.
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 12:38:45 am
Post by: TolyK on January 18, 2016, 09:02:53 am
Roles incoming.
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 08:09:00 pm
Could I still get aboard the burning vessel?For sure for sure.
Roles incoming.
For those interested in statistics, I currently calculate a 6.153846154 average for role submissions over 13 players (80 roles submitted). The highest average we had at any one point during sign-ups so far was 6.666666667. For the record, if one more player joins and submits 4 roles, it will be an even 6 roles each. Alternatively, if one person submits 2 and a second submits 8 (for 10 between them), or any other combination of 10 roles between those two people, it will still be 6 roles each.
For it to become an even 7 roles each, using only added players (AKA not players already in adding to their existing submissions) we'd need 10 players at 8 roles each.
If things stand as they are now, all players except for 2 will have 6 roles, the other 2 will have 7 (not counting shenanigans). These two will likely be one of the players who submitted their full 8 roles.
I'm not saying this to encourage more role submissions, you know it will be crazy anyways, I'm just sharing some stats about the submissions so far that won't reveal who submitted what. Like, for example, 29/80 submitted roles so far include one form of link or another, 42/80 are words or phrases without links, 8/10 are forum user(s), and 4/80 are pictures and/or links to pictures.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 18, 2016, 08:40:38 pm
8/10 are forum user(s)... was that a typo?
And a question... how many of the roles submitted are Shakeragian?
Post by: hector13 on January 18, 2016, 08:42:18 pm
Seriously, how hard could it be to submit the full 8 roles? I did it!8/10 are forum user(s)... was that a typo?
And a question... how many of the roles submitted are Shakeragian?
So did I. I even changed one.
Then again, pretty much all of mine were links of some variety.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 18, 2016, 08:43:49 pm
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 08:44:26 pm
Seriously, how hard could it be to submit the full 8 roles? I did it!Some people want the garuntee that they get a certain role. 2 roles will do that fine. ;)8/10 are forum user(s)... was that a typo?
And a question... how many of the roles submitted are Shakeragian?
Yes, typo.
16/80 are what I'd call Shakeragian.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 18, 2016, 08:46:25 pm
Some people want the garuntee that they get a certain role. 2 roles will do that fine. ;)OH the !!sanity!!!
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 18, 2016, 08:55:14 pm
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 08:59:42 pm
Now I regret not going more overboard with what I sent in. And one of my roles doesn't make any sense now, I guess.Should you want to change that role (I think I know which one you're talking about), you can always PM me to change it, up until I start baking the roles.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 18, 2016, 09:01:06 pm
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 09:03:53 pm
I just broke my arm.Ow? Good luck on healing that.
Post by: hector13 on January 18, 2016, 09:07:33 pm
Seriously, how hard could it be to submit the full 8 roles? I did it!Some people want the garuntee that they get a certain role. 2 roles will do that fine. ;)8/10 are forum user(s)... was that a typo?
And a question... how many of the roles submitted are Shakeragian?
Whoa whoa whoa, we're allowed to demand you give us certain ones of the roles we submit? :o
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 18, 2016, 09:31:39 pm
Crap... I rolled a 2.I just broke my arm.Ow? Good luck on healing that.
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 09:43:39 pm
If you only submitted 2 roles, then you are guaranteed to get those roles. If you submitted more than two, then the two you get that are for sure roles YOU submitted are random from that list you submitted. Less roles submitted means you're more likely to get the roles you wanted. More roles submitted means more craziness, and more chances to submit "negative" roles to stick other people with, but also more chance to shoot yourself in the foot if you choose to submit that kind of role.Seriously, how hard could it be to submit the full 8 roles? I did it!Some people want the garuntee that they get a certain role. 2 roles will do that fine. ;)8/10 are forum user(s)... was that a typo?
And a question... how many of the roles submitted are Shakeragian?
Whoa whoa whoa, we're allowed to demand you give us certain ones of the roles we submit? :o
Post by: hector13 on January 18, 2016, 09:44:48 pm
Post by: flabort on January 18, 2016, 09:46:50 pm
Ah right cool, fair enough. I got excited for a moment :PWell, you could try demanding. It wouldn't do anything, baring any rules-changing shenanigans in some of the roles, but you knew that already. ;)
Post by: hector13 on January 18, 2016, 09:53:04 pm
I suspect you may do the opposite of I started demanding...
Post by: TolyK on January 19, 2016, 05:49:29 am
Actually, I'll be fine with getting it. But most of the roles are to introduce chaos, so whoo?
Post by: Shakerag on January 19, 2016, 09:38:45 am
Seriously, how hard could it be to submit the full 8 roles? I did it!One of mine got rejected >_>
Fortunately, I submitted a ninth role as a backup.
Oh? I thought of a new good one (or more). I'll shoot you a PM.Now I regret not going more overboard with what I sent in. And one of my roles doesn't make any sense now, I guess.Should you want to change that role (I think I know which one you're talking about), you can always PM me to change it, up until I start baking the roles.
Post by: notquitethere on January 19, 2016, 10:00:12 am
One of mine got rejected >_>The FHPBYOR2 Role Which Nullifies Every Other Role
The FHPBYOR2 Role That Causes Shakerag To Win At The Start Of Day 1
The FHPBYOR2 Role That Makes Shakerag A Co-Mod As Well As A Player
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 19, 2016, 10:25:53 am
Post by: hector13 on January 19, 2016, 10:43:01 am
So typing has become difficult, but not impossible. I should still be able to play, but expect fewer and shourter posts fom me.
Fight through the pain, brah!
Alternatively, tap into the dark-side. (in which case, OSG)
Post by: Shakerag on January 19, 2016, 12:33:17 pm
Some excellent suggestions. But, no. It was:One of mine got rejected >_>The FHPBYOR2 Role Which Nullifies Every Other Role
The FHPBYOR2 Role That Causes Shakerag To Win At The Start Of Day 1
The FHPBYOR2 Role That Makes Shakerag A Co-Mod As Well As A Player
5 - The FHPBYOR2 player who will interfere with and aggravate every other player
Post by: fillipk on January 19, 2016, 02:53:28 pm
So typing has become difficult, but not impossible. I should still be able to play, but expect fewer and shourter posts fom me.That sucks man, feel better soon
What about the FHPBYOR2 role that goes Bananas
The FHPBYOR2 role that creates monkeys
The FHPBYOR2 role that steals another role
The FHPBYOR2 role that makes actions public
The FHPBYOR2 role that knows everyone's alignment et
Etc.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 19, 2016, 03:13:36 pm
Post by: TolyK on January 19, 2016, 05:03:11 pm
Post by: Dorsidwarf on January 19, 2016, 05:10:33 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 19, 2016, 05:25:23 pm
"The FHPBYOR Role that allows you to kill the mod."
"The FHPBYOR Role that wins."
Post by: hector13 on January 19, 2016, 05:51:08 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 19, 2016, 06:43:11 pm
Shakerag has been modkilled!
He was:
Shakerag Did It(town)
(auto): Shakerag did it: you know he did.
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 19, 2016, 07:55:06 pm
Post by: flabort on January 19, 2016, 08:10:50 pm
I'm pretty sure that actually happened.90% sure that's a reference, yes.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 19, 2016, 08:15:58 pm
To some BYOR or other, maybe even the first FHPBYOR...
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 19, 2016, 08:26:03 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 21, 2016, 07:20:52 am
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2016, 08:31:22 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 21, 2016, 09:06:50 am
In reality: when no other BYOR games are in progress. Which means, when Bring Your Own Song is finished.
Post by: TolyK on January 21, 2016, 01:12:58 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 21, 2016, 05:22:23 pm
I'm so glad I sent no "FHPBYOR2"-named roles...
"The FHPBYOR2 Role that kills any player with a role that does not have the acronym "FHPBYOR2."
Post by: flabort on January 22, 2016, 01:07:53 am
So when are we actually starting?More or less when I feel like it. :P
To be serious, shortly after BYOSong ends; during the time between that ending and this starting I will be making all the roles.
Post by: notquitethere on January 24, 2016, 03:04:34 pm
Post by: fillipk on January 24, 2016, 03:23:17 pm
Post by: flabort on January 24, 2016, 04:29:54 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 24, 2016, 05:00:11 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 24, 2016, 05:07:02 pm
Sounds good. I'll start baking right away.
[HYPE INTENSIFIES]
Post by: flabort on January 24, 2016, 05:31:04 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 24, 2016, 05:32:51 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on January 24, 2016, 05:34:15 pm
Post by: Tawa on January 24, 2016, 05:45:42 pm
i so punny
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 24, 2016, 06:04:09 pm
Sounds good. I'll start baking right away.
[HYPE INTENSIFIES]
Post by: Teneb on January 24, 2016, 06:11:36 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 24, 2016, 06:21:55 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 24, 2016, 06:24:26 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 24, 2016, 06:25:07 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 24, 2016, 09:21:50 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 24, 2016, 09:58:28 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 24, 2016, 10:09:24 pm
How's your arm?In a proper cast which makes my thumb opposable once again. So much better for mafia-playing.
Post by: flabort on January 24, 2016, 10:51:45 pm
Excellent. Just don't over-use it, 'K?How's your arm?In a proper cast which makes my thumb opposable once again. So much better for mafia-playing.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 24, 2016, 11:09:51 pm
k. And Flabort, don't stress yourself out to much with this.Excellent. Just don't over-use it, 'K?How's your arm?In a proper cast which makes my thumb opposable once again. So much better for mafia-playing.
Post by: hector13 on January 24, 2016, 11:12:33 pm
k. And Flabort, don't stress yourself out to much with this.Excellent. Just don't over-use it, 'K?How's your arm?In a proper cast which makes my thumb opposable once again. So much better for mafia-playing.
One would hope that's not going to happen :0
Post by: Shakerag on January 25, 2016, 10:04:17 am
Post by: TolyK on January 25, 2016, 10:23:47 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 26, 2016, 03:38:51 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 26, 2016, 03:41:32 pm
oooo.... 3/80 roles ready. At this rate, it will only take about 1 and a half months for the roles to be completely ready. :P
Pfft, your wishy-washiness regarding flabort's necessary application to this game is bothersome, OSG.
Post by: flabort on January 26, 2016, 03:52:19 pm
oooo.... 3/80 roles ready. At this rate, it will only take about 1 and a half months for the roles to be completely ready. :PDon't laugh. Depending on what goes on IRL and with some PMs, that might actually be true.
Probably not, though.
Post by: Tiruin on January 26, 2016, 10:58:55 pm
While I'm working on this (may take a while, after all life is pretty rough right now, but then again this is a handy distraction), could you guys sound off to confirm you're all still in?/me presses the big red button!
...I didn't confirm a nuclear launch, nope. o_o
Hope you're ok Flabort :< While we do care about the silliness and fun of the game, we also care about the fun WE can have together. In the end, it's the people as the players who come out of the game. :P Please do take care!oooo.... 3/80 roles ready. At this rate, it will only take about 1 and a half months for the roles to be completely ready. :PDon't laugh. Depending on what goes on IRL and with some PMs, that might actually be true.
Probably not, though.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 27, 2016, 03:20:06 am
...I didn't confirm a nuclear launch, nope. o_oOh man that takes me back to when I "launched a nuke" at SuperBlackCat in TolyK's game.
Good times.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 27, 2016, 10:01:45 am
~~~
Soon... soon... HAHAHA!!!
Post by: flabort on January 27, 2016, 09:02:59 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 27, 2016, 10:43:17 pm
Post by: flabort on January 27, 2016, 11:16:57 pm
Are there still signups?Sorry, a little too late. There might be some spectator involvement, though, based on some of the submissions, so stick around, eh?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 27, 2016, 11:20:44 pm
Post by: flabort on January 27, 2016, 11:40:41 pm
Sure. Or, count me in on the replacements list.Sure.
Post by: TolyK on January 28, 2016, 01:05:45 pm
Quote
They also must be clear who they are talking about (Flabsy, Flabort, Abort, etc will work for Flabort,I wonder how far this can be stretched, eh Buddy-Boy?
Also, to those one or two people, I'm sorry in advance.
Post by: TolyK on January 28, 2016, 01:06:36 pm
Where the hell have you been?...I didn't confirm a nuclear launch, nope. o_oOh man that takes me back to when I "launched a nuke" at SuperBlackCat in TolyK's game.
Good times.
Post by: 4maskwolf on January 28, 2016, 01:44:41 pm
Where the hell have you been?Here and there. Mostly "there" though. Major life upheavals and whatnot making it difficult for me to post.
Post by: flabort on January 30, 2016, 10:48:10 pm
Yeah, I hear that. However, for me major life upheavals are likely to drive me MORE towards my escape (here) than away. Unless the upheaval leaves me without internet, but so far my current crisis has been kind and given me lots of access; part of why I've actually been more active recently.Where the hell have you been?Here and there. Mostly "there" though. Major life upheavals and whatnot making it difficult for me to post.
Still, though. Sucks that we go through these things, but we deal, eh?
(Fake) VotecountQuoteThey also must be clear who they are talking about (Flabsy, Flabort, Abort, etc will work for Flabort,I wonder how far this can be stretched, eh Buddy-Boy?
Also, to those one or two people, I'm sorry in advance.
Hector13 - FallacyofUrist
Tiruin - Tiruin
The Big Red Button - Also Tiruin
OSG - Hector13
4maskwolf - TolyK
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 30, 2016, 11:05:38 pm
;P
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2016, 11:07:36 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 30, 2016, 11:08:27 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 30, 2016, 11:10:16 pm
Hm...
Oppose shorten. Take your time.
Post by: hector13 on January 30, 2016, 11:12:12 pm
It's almost as though you know something, TheBiggerFish. Of all of us, Flabort is most likely to be town... but hm...
Hm...
Oppose shorten. Take your time.
oppose shorten too! and +1 the sentiment.
FoU anyway. Clearly buddying.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 30, 2016, 11:13:56 pm
I agree, don't rush.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on January 30, 2016, 11:44:25 pm
uuuhhh... The amount of shortens just went negative. That means that the floating point means it is now 99999 shotens.
Nuclear Ghandi GO!
Post by: TheDarkStar on January 30, 2016, 11:44:48 pm
Post by: O.Wilde on January 30, 2016, 11:48:57 pm
Extend
Post by: hector13 on January 30, 2016, 11:49:56 pm
Oppose shorten
uuuhhh... The amount of shortens just went negative. That means that the floating point means it is now 99999 shotens.
Nuclear Ghandi GO!
We can count though, so no :P -1 shortens (until TDS ruined it >:()
Post by: TolyK on January 31, 2016, 02:37:49 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 31, 2016, 11:17:23 am
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2016, 11:33:55 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 31, 2016, 11:37:21 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 31, 2016, 11:38:21 am
Post by: TolyK on January 31, 2016, 12:05:32 pm
Post by: notquitethere on January 31, 2016, 03:25:38 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 31, 2016, 03:26:04 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 31, 2016, 03:37:39 pm
Nuclear Ghandi GO!I'm going to bet that you and me are the only two players in this game who get that reference.
Spoiler: Explanation (click to show/hide)
Post by: hector13 on January 31, 2016, 05:05:57 pm
Nuclear Ghandi GO!I'm going to bet that you and me are the only two players in this game who get that reference.Spoiler: Explanation (click to show/hide)
Oh come now, that's a stupid assumption to make.
Nuclear Gandhi is probably a meme now anyways :P
Post by: TolyK on January 31, 2016, 05:35:34 pm
Post by: hector13 on January 31, 2016, 05:36:38 pm
Nuclear Canada from Shadow President? Anyone?
Never knew Canada could get nukes :0
Post by: TolyK on February 01, 2016, 03:07:48 am
I've been able to make it happen once the "good" way, but it's really really hard.
I think I should've sent in "Nuclear Armageddon" or something by this point...
Post by: hector13 on February 01, 2016, 09:11:10 am
Post by: TolyK on February 01, 2016, 11:16:48 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 02, 2016, 11:34:11 am
(Fake) VotecountWat. xD
Hector13 - FallacyofUrist
Tiruin - Tiruin
The Big Red Button - Also Tiruin
OSG - Hector13
4maskwolf - TolyK
Flabort! If my role isn't done yet--I can readily change it btw. :3 Love the filler here.
Could I ask the first game post be linked when it finishes on the OP though? :P
Post by: flabort on February 02, 2016, 03:00:30 pm
Sorry, I can't change it now. I think the one you were referring to was #32...(Fake) VotecountWat. xD
Hector13 - FallacyofUrist
Tiruin - Tiruin
The Big Red Button - Also Tiruin
OSG - Hector13
4maskwolf - TolyK
Flabort! If my role isn't done yet--I can readily change it btw. :3 Love the filler here.
Could I ask the first game post be linked when it finishes on the OP though? :P
Yes, I plan to link that, because with the long wait it seems comes long derails. :P
Post by: TolyK on February 02, 2016, 03:02:07 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 02, 2016, 03:03:28 pm
Spoiler: While on the topic of derailments (click to show/hide)
Post by: TolyK on February 02, 2016, 03:14:45 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 03, 2016, 09:30:08 pm
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 03, 2016, 10:13:39 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 04, 2016, 07:50:23 am
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 04, 2016, 03:44:31 pm
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 03:58:19 pm
Edit: That is to say, the game will begin when all PMs have been sent. If you receive a PM, please wait until the game has begun to say anything about it.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 04, 2016, 04:23:28 pm
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 05:15:06 pm
Some posts may be edited by Mephansteras. These are caused by powers, which are still PMed to me, not to Mephansteras.
In order to lynch someone, one of the people voting that person must possess the ability to kill.
kills of any sort have a 20% chance of failing (on top of any other chances) but bypass all protection abilities, and any other action has a 10% chance of turning into a kill.
Spectators are able to PM me during the night with someone they'd like to see night-killed. Spectators are non-players, people who are not in the game. This functions as a vote, and the person with the most spectator votes at the end of the night is killed.
Aboard the Vessel
The crew was discussing how to identify the moment when all hell broke loose, and how to discuss it, when a loud bang was heard and the vessel shook violently. Climbing to the top, one previously would have noticed that there was some sort of wormhole which the vessel was passing through; now it was stopped in the middle of space, completely unfamiliar stars and nebulae surrounding them. Looking around, they noticed a corpse floating away from the vessel, his divine powers floating away from him in a solidified form; like little green triangles. He was identified as Flabort, the high priest of the Most Divine Eighth Greek Revival Baptist Church. Discussing who might have done this, it was realized that someone must be trying to repeat the past mistakes to gain more power; it was agreed that every so often the crew would hold a vote and throw one of the perpetrators overboard until there weren't any evildoers left; they would have to figure out who did it the mafia way.
Day 1 has begun!
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy:
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
Deus Asmoth:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow: Ragshake
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Fallacy of Urist, Tawarochir, Deus Asmoth, TheDarkStar, Hector13, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Notquitethere, Shakerag, Teneb, TolyK
The Day will end Monday, around 3:00 PM, 5:00 forum time (Curse you daylight savings!)
Quote from: Ragshake
'Sup, peeps? I'm just gonna open with a vote on The Moonlit Shadow, just because I can and I'm obviously evil.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 05:16:05 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 05:20:34 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 05:24:22 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 04, 2016, 05:28:27 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 05:30:58 pm
OSG with the triple vote. Yeehaw.Hector13 Hector13 Hector13
Whaaaaat? You see nothing...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 06:36:50 pm
~~~
I need to stare at my roles for a moment.
*staring intensifies*
~~~
Okay. Um... wow. Whoever sent in that troll role that prevents whoever has it from winning... allow me to express my anger towards you- RAAAAGGHH!!!
A Tumbling Tumbleweed. Because I'm curious.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 06:43:12 pm
Okay. Um... wow. Whoever sent in that troll role that prevents whoever has it from winning... allow me to express my anger towards you- RAAAAGGHH!!!
It could be worse - I have a role that stops everyone from winning.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 06:47:21 pm
Does it stop working if you die?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 06:49:48 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 06:52:19 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 04, 2016, 06:55:14 pm
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 07:18:33 pm
Quote from: Ragshake, Shakerag's Evil Twin
You've got that right, 31rotceh.
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy:
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
Deus Asmoth:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13: OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Ragshake
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed: Fallacy of Urist
Not voting: Tawarochir, Deus Asmoth, TheDarkStar, Hector13, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Notquitethere, Shakerag, Teneb, TolyK
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 07:22:43 pm
Will a lynch take you out?
No. However, I have a power that can kill me. Maybe. If I'm lucky.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 07:25:33 pm
Also, apparently the Moonlit Shadow is a double voter.
~~~ I just now noticed that. ~~~
Hector13: how are you going to vary your gameplay for this obviously bastard game? (I mean, examine who is voting for you...)
Shakerag: You have an evil twin. Are you going to do something about that.
TheDarkStar: Hypothetically, if I were to claim to be a truth teller, and hypothetically, I claimed to inspect the truth of the whole "I have a role that stops everyone from winning" statement, how would you react? If you were scum, how would you change your gameplay? How about if you were a jester?
The Moonlit Shadow: You're a double voter. How is that going to change your gameplay?
Ragshake: testing, testing, one two three, do you copy?
Tiruin: Welcome to crazy town.
4maskwolf: Any analysis to be posted about the public mechanics thus far?
Teneb and TolyK(and NQT): Same question.
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 07:27:53 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Read you loud and clear, oh Fallacy
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 07:29:15 pm
Ragshake: What do you think of your NPC buddy, A Tumbling Tumbleweed?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 07:30:42 pm
[/ scum. As for being a jester, I'm just glad that I'm not one.
For thse your truthteller ability on that if you have one.
Ragshake was here: Do you have as many roles as the rest of us? Do you come from someone's role?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 07:33:15 pm
4maskwolf: Any analysis to be posted about the public mechanics thus far?I'm sorry, do I look like someone who analyzes shit? I jump around, act like an idiot, and pull stupid stunts that annoy the hell out of my fellow players. Get it right :P
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 07:35:20 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Eh, tumble's a little whiner. Seems he keeps getting KOd and forced back to consciousness. I think he's a ****y.
Nah, man. Seems I was created after the role pool was emptied out; don't matter, though, I can screw you over five ways to Sunday. Just take a look. As far as I know, though? Nah, I don't think I do. Possibly.
Post by: hector13 on February 04, 2016, 07:39:15 pm
Quote from: Ragshake, Shakerag's Evil TwinYou've got that right, 31rotceh.
I feel this should mean something... invoke ful? /bizarre (and probably slightly mistaken) reference
Ragshake: What's your wincon? Why must you torment us so?
Tumbleweed: Uh... where do you think Ragshake's animosity toward you stems from?
OSG: How come you're so sensitive about me pointing out your vast democratic oomph? (three votes)
FoU: What's with the early interest in the roles, mang? There are frickin' eighty of the bastards. Perhaps not including the weird ass NPCs and spectator nonsense!
Ah bugger it there are too many of you. The real fun is in all the role shenanigans, aye? I'm hungry.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 07:44:13 pm
Oh by the way 4maskwolf... get my name right, it's not Webadict! [/humor][/slightly][/somewhat]
FoU: What's with the early interest in the roles, mang? There are frickin' eighty of the bastards. Perhaps not including the weird ass NPCs and spectator nonsense!True that. And I'm interested in the roles because they're what make this game so much different than normal.
Ah bugger it there are too many of you. The real fun is in all the role shenanigans, aye? I'm hungry.
For instance, I know why [REDACTED] and [REDACTED]. And I have an ability that [REDACTED]. Those two things alone would make a game slightly crazy. Throw in [REDACTED], [REDACTED], and [REDACTED]... yeah.
Here's a freebie to you theorists: I submitted the role that generated Ragshake. I don't have that role, however.
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 07:49:41 pm
Quote from: ragshake
31rotceh I torment you because I'm clearly evil, man. Mwahahahah. Oh, my wincon? Why would I reveal that so early on? Heheheh...
By the dubs, my pall weedy here? Can't talk, far as I know. Yeah, it's because I'm sitting on him. Yeah, I'm mean.
Oh, I see, Fallacy. Is that so, am I really your creation? Oh, we'll have so much fun together you and I. Just hurting everyone. :P
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 07:52:20 pm
... I am suddenly filled with horror at the thought of the role that made Ragshake being duplicated.
o inspect the truth of the whole "I have a role that stops everyone from winning" statement, how would you react? If you were scum, how would you change your gameplay? How about if you were a jester?Oh I see Ragshake... you can deface posts.
[/ scum. As for being a jester, I'm just glad that I'm not one.
For thse your truthteller ability on that if you have one.
Ragshake was here: Do you have as many roles as the rest of us? Do you come from someone's role?
((Note that post has a "edited by mafia moderator" thing under it.))
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 07:55:54 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 08:01:35 pm
And TDS was telling the truth about his "nobody can win" role.
Dangit.
~~~
To those who say I'm making myself a scum target, in a game where protections are useless: [REDACTED].
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 08:13:05 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 08:27:15 pm
How do you know that, OSG? I'll bet that YOU and TUMBLEWEED are MAFIA and IN CAHOOTS with each OTHER! You're just trying to THROW SUSPICION OFF OF HIM!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 08:31:49 pm
How do you know that, OSG? I'll bet that YOU and TUMBLEWEED are MAFIA and IN CAHOOTS with each OTHER! You're just trying to THROW SUSPICION OFF OF HIM!I know that information because my role includes that information about him. Literally that's it.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 08:38:43 pm
WARNING: THIS POST MAY TRIGGER THE CHARACTER WITH THE ROLE "JOHN FREEMAN" TO EXPERIENCE AN EARLY DEATH.Not up to your usual level of play, eh, Webby?
How do you know that, OSG? I'll bet that YOU and TUMBLEWEED are MAFIA and IN CAHOOTS with each OTHER! You're just trying to THROW SUSPICION OFF OF HIM!
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 08:43:28 pm
Nah, not today.WARNING: THIS POST MAY TRIGGER THE CHARACTER WITH THE ROLE "JOHN FREEMAN" TO EXPERIENCE AN EARLY DEATH.Not up to your usual level of play, eh, Webby?
How do you know that, OSG? I'll bet that YOU and TUMBLEWEED are MAFIA and IN CAHOOTS with each OTHER! You're just trying to THROW SUSPICION OFF OF HIM!
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 08:44:52 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
why ragshake whyBecause I can. >87
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 08:48:40 pm
When this game gets added to the Notable Games Archive... the description is going to be incredible.
~~~
Origamiscienceguy: I forgot to ask you a question earlier. So how about this: is there any other information about the Tumbleweed or Ragshake that you would care to share?
Tawarochir: Guess who else I forgot to ask a question- you. What's this about "John Freeman"?
4maskwolf: Do you have a post restriction that you are allowed to speak of?
~~~
Ragshake: Might as well ask you an RVS question: are you a jester, and do you have any powers other than your post defacement?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 08:51:34 pm
Origamiscienceguy: I forgot to ask you a question earlier. So how about this: is there any other information about the Tumbleweed or Ragshake that you would care to share?I know nothing at all about Ragshake, and I have already said everything I know about the Tumbling Tumbleweed.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 08:51:55 pm
I have some information about the tumbling tumbleweed: It will resurrect every time it dies. So voting for it is pointless. Does anybody else have any information about it?Anope, sorry. I have information, but not that information.
4maskwolf: Do you have a post restriction that you are allowed to speak of?Wuba wub, wub wub wuba? Yes, yes I do, and I see no restriction in my role around my speaking of it. You should probably have already figured out what it is by now. If you haven't, then I can't help you.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 08:55:49 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 08:56:20 pm
Good luck. At least you don't have a role that has an auto ability that prevents you from winning... in any case, it's irrelevant because of TDS's role that prevents everybody from winning...
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 08:57:57 pm
Tawarochir: Guess who else I forgot to ask a question- you. What's this about "John Freeman"?he was gordon freemans brother who was one day in an office typing on a computer when he got an email from his brother saying that aliens and monsters were attacking his place and aksed him for help so he went.
In all seriousness, one of my powers forces me to warn somebody that my post might trigger something, so I just made stuff up.
I was being deliberately over-the-top with my OSG accusation, but I think that your forthcomingness with information (and apparently contradictory information) concerning the tumbleweed is still fishy. I'll throw out a round of questions in a little while.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 08:59:41 pm
(and apparently contradictory information)Explain this, sil vous plait.
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 09:05:03 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Hahahahah. Oh, fallacy, you amuse me so.
Of course I'm not a jester; that would be silly. I simply win. :P
You know nothing keeps me from lying outright about my powers, right? Like the one that lets me steal any role belonging to my twin? Or how about the one where I change your hair color? Oh, that's not evil enough... the one where I change your corpse color? Yeah, that's better. Hehee.
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy: Tawarochir
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
Deus Asmoth:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13: OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Ragshake
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf: Fallacy of Urist
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Deus Asmoth, TheDarkStar, Hector13, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Notquitethere, Shakerag, Teneb, TolyK
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 09:20:57 pm
Ah, wait, never mind. I misread 4maskwebadict's post as meaning "he has information on tumbleweed that directly differs from osg's claim". :v(and apparently contradictory information)Explain this, sil vous plait.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 09:24:41 pm
Just saying.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 09:25:50 pm
What's this nonsense about this "ragshake" person being "Shakerag's evil twin". I've played with Shakerag before, and there is no good in him. There is no possible way for ragshake to actually be the evil twin of that duo.
Just saying.
They are both evil twins, obviously. :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 04, 2016, 09:27:13 pm
They are both evil twins, obviously. :PGo home Wuba you're drunk.
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 09:29:29 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Yeah, but he's forced to follow the rules. :P The rules follow me. Plus I rock a wicked 'fro. O0
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 09:35:17 pm
(also screw you, whoever submitted that role)
Hahaha, I can't see your silly afro emoticon Ragshake.
If Ragshake is Shakerag's evil cousin, but Shakerag is evil, does that mean Ragshake is good? :P
I'm just going to throw a question out there for everybody.
Can everybody claim their roles?
By the way, I actually have a truth teller ability.We'll just run 'em by FoU. We can then collectively verify if he's telling the truth.
And TDS was telling the truth about his "nobody can win" role.
Dangit.
~~~
To those who say I'm making myself a scum target, in a game where protections are useless: [REDACTED].
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 09:46:00 pm
So unfortunately, I can only determine one truth per day. I've done that today(verifying that TDS has a role that prevents everybody from winning(we need to do something about that)) already.
So it'll have to be tomorrow. Unfortunately.
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 09:48:39 pm
FoU, why would you use your one power use of the day within three hours of the game starting?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 09:49:17 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 09:52:49 pm
TDS TDS TDS
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 09:56:21 pm
So does everybody agree that it is our best interest to try any and all methods to make sure TDS doesn't live?
Yes, but not right now. Killing me off early makes it easier for the town to lose. Also, I have a power that can kill me.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 09:59:05 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 04, 2016, 10:05:27 pm
Because I was somewhat startled by the whole "I have a role that prevents everybody from winning" thing.Mhm. I'll keep this in mind.
So, another question for all of you: who got the "2007-era Runescape" role I submitted? I'm curious.
Mod question: Do role specifications take precedence over general rules? So, like, hypothetically, if a general rule was "nobody can use slang words, no exceptions" and your role said "you have to use American southernisms every post at no penalty", which one is valid?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 10:09:35 pm
Okay, what exactly is it?So does everybody agree that it is our best interest to try any and all methods to make sure TDS doesn't live?
Yes, but not right now. Killing me off early makes it easier for the town to lose. Also, I have a power that can kill me.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 10:13:49 pm
Okay, what exactly is it?So does everybody agree that it is our best interest to try any and all methods to make sure TDS doesn't live?
Yes, but not right now. Killing me off early makes it easier for the town to lose. Also, I have a power that can kill me.
What do you mean?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 10:16:56 pm
WARNING: This post might trigger objections from ace attorneysOBJECTION!
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Methinks he means "what is the power that can kill you, details please".
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 10:17:42 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 10:19:24 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 04, 2016, 10:20:56 pm
I have a power with a 1/3 chance to kill me, a 1/3 chance to let me edit some posts, and a 1/3 chance to try to kill everyone.And that is the only way that you can die? And thus the only way that anybody can have a chance to win?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 10:25:14 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 04, 2016, 10:26:34 pm
Last post before I poof away; take care everyone! o/ (Also please leave a healthy amount of questions for me)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 04, 2016, 10:36:14 pm
ORDEN
;D
Post by: flabort on February 04, 2016, 11:43:18 pm
Mod question: Do role specifications take precedence over general rules? So, like, hypothetically, if a general rule was "nobody can use slang words, no exceptions" and your role said "you have to use American southernisms every post at no penalty", which one is valid?It depends on the role and the rule. If the rule states "this is an exception to the rule", then this one is definitely valid. In other cases, you would have to PM me to ask.
In your example, though, the no-penalty one takes precedence over the no exceptions one, due to those last two words trumping the other two last words.
Quote from: Ragshake
Ruh-roh. Sounds like TDS is in quite the pickle. Ahahahaha!
What the heck does Orden mean? Ah, nevermind, it's probably something evil that I'd like to steal; keep quite about that, 'kay? That way nobody'll try to steal it first. Eheheh. Mine. All mine.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 04, 2016, 11:45:25 pm
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If you really want to know more, gentlemen... DuckDuckGo it.
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 02:12:43 am
Testing: KyloT.
Random inspection, random role.
Gonna try one thing out pretty soon.
Hopefully this goes well enough.
Will answer soon.
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 02:25:11 am
4maskwolf: Any analysis to be posted about the public mechanics thus far?Alright, what I see from information so far:
Teneb and TolyK(and NQT): Same question.
- 3+ people have boxes of Orden.
- We have an everyone-wins scenario, but not on the first day. It probably involves TDS killing himself.
- Shakerag's twin probably steals roles.
- We have a mafia, no SK (by the looks of it), and possibly a cult. At least based on "no double teams", which could be broken here.
Questions now.
TDS: How is your non-death worded, in general terms? "Cannot die", "cannot be attacked", how?
Everyone: Who else has an Orden role who hasn't claimed? Likely 3, but this is a bastard mod.
I'm personally comfortable with ANY plan that involves people dying, because I'm sure everyone has death protection of some sort. I'm even sure most have an attached penalty.
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 02:34:30 am
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 04:35:38 am
Will answer questions when at home. Just going to claim that unless very specific circumstances are met, I can't win our lost.
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2016, 05:15:06 am
"In order to lynch someone, one of the people voting that person must possess the ability to kill." This might be a good way of checking who's packing heat.
"kills of any sort have a 20% chance of failing (on top of any other chances) but bypass all protection abilities, and any other action has a 10% chance of turning into a kill." - with two actions per cycle we're going to see both failed kills and accidental slayings
"Spectators are able to PM me during the night with someone they'd like to see night-killed. Spectators are non-players, people who are not in the game. This functions as a vote, and the person with the most spectator votes at the end of the night is killed." - let's hope the spectators are rooting for town...
About to go do the things, will post more later today.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 06:50:35 am
TDS: How is your non-death worded, in general terms? "Cannot die", "cannot be attacked", how?
Kills have a 100% chance of failure so I'm safe from the rule that makes kills bypass protections.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 09:24:06 am
Anyway, exactly what do these 'boxes of Orden' do?You have two good options for learning about that:
Option one: Read the Sword of Truth series.
Option two: Read the rant about the Boxes of Orden I'm about to write.
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(I don't know how it is in this game, but I can tell you how it was in the books...)
There are 3 boxes of Orden, no more, no less. Each one comes with a "cover". A box with a "cover" on it cannot be opened. The "covers" can be removed using magic, revealing a box of pure black.
In order to open a box: you must have at least one of them, then you can "put it into play". This gives you significant magical protection(for instance protection from the Sword of Truth)(I assume this is why TDS is unkillable), enables you to open a box, once you have all 3, but will kill you if you have not done so by the first day of winter. You do not need all 3 Boxes of Orden to put one into play. Once somebody has all 3 boxes of Orden, whoever has all 3 may open one of them at any time. One box grants whoever opens it godlike power. One of the two wrong boxes... kills the opener, and tears a hole in reality(let's hope that doesn't happen) that opens into the underworld. The other wrong box... kills everything. In order to determine which box is the correct one to open, one must preform complicated magical rituals and have access to a specially made sanctuary built to allow said rituals to be possible.
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In short... I wouldn't be too surprised if TDS was lying about some of the aspects of his role. I learned that his statement "I have a role that stops everyone from winning" was true, but if that meant that his role could possibly stop everyone from winning(everybody dies box)... hm.
Post by: Shakerag on February 05, 2016, 10:36:25 am
Shakerag: You have an evil twin. Are you going to do something about that.That would depend on whether or not I -can- do something about it. For now, I think it's kind of hilarious.
Also, the Sword of Truth series sucked >_<
Tawarochir:
Looks like you got my trigger warnings role. Sorry bub.
WARNING: This post may trigger an infraction on my part but it's worth itYou're welcome.
(also screw you, whoever submitted that role)
4maskwolf:
What's this nonsense about this "ragshake" person being "Shakerag's evil twin". I've played with Shakerag before, and there is no good in him. There is no possible way for ragshake to actually be the evil twin of that duo.This. This right here. It likely should have been my good twin >_>
Just saying.
Tiruin: Define a "healthy" amount.
The Moonlit Shadow: Are you having problems accessing quicktopic right now?
TolyK: How much Shakeragian bullshit did you personally introduce into this game?
Ragshake: 'sup, buddy? Wanna go somewhere and get totally shitfaced and swap stories?
A Tumbling Tumbleweed: *makes tumbleweed noises*
Hector13: What question should I be asking you right now?
OSG: What's new in the field of origami science?
Teneb: Doesn't RVS seem even more pointless in a game like this?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 10:43:12 am
TolyK: How much Shakeragian bullshit did you personally introduce into this game?I'm going to answer this question even though it's not mine. Because it's relevant.
I submitted 8 roles. Half of those were shakeragian.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 05, 2016, 10:54:18 am
OSG: What's new in the field of origami science?I have made a pretty good elephant if I do say so myself.
Post by: Shakerag on February 05, 2016, 10:54:51 am
So does any role I submit automatically make it Shakeragian? I'm not sure how this works. ???TolyK: How much Shakeragian bullshit did you personally introduce into this game?I'm going to answer this question even though it's not mine. Because it's relevant.
I submitted 8 roles. Half of those were shakeragian.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 10:57:08 am
Je ne comprend pas.
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I don't understand what you just said.
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 11:00:07 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 11:00:46 am
Maybe.
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 12:02:12 pm
Hector13: how are you going to vary your gameplay for this obviously bastard game? (I mean, examine who is voting for you...)
Not too much, probably. Everyone is still (kind of technically) on equal footing, so yeah. Trying to predict the bastardry that can occur in a game with 15 players and 80 roles... no thank you.
kills of any sort have a 20% chance of failing (on top of any other chances) but bypass all protection abilities, and any other action has a 10% chance of turning into a kill.
Flabsy baby, presumably this includes the lynch?
Shakerag
Hector13: What question should I be asking you right now?
Dunno. I assume it would be best to ask a question that stems from how our wincons work relative to each other, but since I don't know your one nor how it will affect mine, my answer will be thus: standard RVS fare, perhaps a hypothetical situation?
niwT livE s'garekahS ,ekahsgaR, perhaps? Or maybe just ekahsgaR? In a mirror? While holding two angry bees on a leash, in each hand? Also dancing the cha-cha?
Red rum? Blue rum? Purple rum?
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 12:16:04 pm
Are you interested in catching scum, or just screwing around? They are not mutually exclusive, but you seem to be focusing only on the latter. Furthermore, why spend all three votes on the same person?OSG with the triple vote. Yeehaw.Hector13 Hector13 Hector13
Whaaaaat? You see nothing...
4maskwolf: Any analysis to be posted about the public mechanics thus far?Way to go with being lazy with your questions. There isn't much to analyze that wasn't already. Not that there was much to begin with.
Teneb and TolyK(and NQT): Same question.
TheDarkStar: Are you town?
Can everybody claim their roles?This is a terrible idea, since an early massclaim aids only scum. Especially in outlandish setups like this one.
Teneb: Doesn't RVS seem even more pointless in a game like this?I used to be a firm believer in RVS, but now not so much. Yeah, it is pretty useless since it gives exactly zero benefits to a player, town or scum.
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 12:25:06 pm
Are you interested in catching scum, or just screwing around? They are not mutually exclusive, but you seem to be focusing only on the latter. Furthermore, why spend all three votes on the same person?OSG with the triple vote. Yeehaw.Hector13 Hector13 Hector13
Whaaaaat? You see nothing...
Same thing could be said about you, mang. OSG's post was within the first few hours of the game starting, not sure how anyone is s'posed to be finding scum then, particularly when you ask a pretty naff question to your vote, and then decry RVS as being a bit pointless - in general, but also specifically in a game like this.
Perhaps you'd like to explain why you're so bothered by this..? And then why you vote for the same person that OSG triple-voted later?
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 12:34:19 pm
TolyK: How much Shakeragian bullshit did you personally introduce into this game?I'm sorry.
Moonlit, don't use your box inspect on me (at least not first), I am 99% sure I won't be using my box in the near future.
Also, I might have a mini-nuke launcher built into me. Except not the boomie kind of of nuke.
I feel like we won't be getting anywhere without either bigger roleclaims or "shit getting real".
So, in this case, I'd like to ask Everyone: Who isn't afraid of dying, other than TDS?
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 01:18:35 pm
Everyone: Who isn't afraid of dying, other than TDS?I already claimed that I can't win or lose unless very specific circumstances are met.
Hector: The difference, is that I am playing to win. And as I said above and before, it is not going to be an exactly easy job.
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 01:24:01 pm
Everyone: Does anyone have a "role transfer" role, as in stealing/trading/etc? I have free suicides to give away as well.
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 01:32:59 pm
Since Hector will probably wonder, I got this info after my vote, not before.
Post by: flabort on February 05, 2016, 01:38:42 pm
Nope.kills of any sort have a 20% chance of failing (on top of any other chances) but bypass all protection abilities, and any other action has a 10% chance of turning into a kill.
Flabsy baby, presumably this includes the lynch?
Quote from: Ragshake
Ragshake: 'sup, buddy? Wanna go somewhere and get totally shitfaced and swap stories?Sounds fine to me. How many antidotes are you packing?niwT livE s'garekahS ,ekahsgaR, perhaps? Or maybe just ekahsgaR? In a mirror? While holding two angry bees on a leash, in each hand? Also dancing the cha-cha?Woah, nope. I laugh in the face of your antics. Hahaha! O0
Red rum? Blue rum? Purple rum?Everyone: Who isn't afraid of dying, other than TDS?Pick me! Pick me! :P
Oragamiscienceguy:
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
Deus Asmoth:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow: Ragshake, Tawarochir, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Fallacy of Urist, TolyK, Hector13, Teneb
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Deus Asmoth, TheDarkStar, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Notquitethere, Shakerag
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 01:42:40 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 01:54:45 pm
I have an announcement to make: this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6790688#msg6790688) contains a lie. Or more.
Since Hector will probably wonder, I got this info after my vote, not before.
Not really helpful since there are three statements in that link. Can you trust whatever gave you that information?
Everyone, how likely are we to be able to trust this:
Shakerag is a Jester
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 02:09:37 pm
Not really helpful since there are three statements in that link. Can you trust whatever gave you that information?'Twas a day power. And it is a sane one. Let's pick the post apart:
Yes, but not right now. Killing me off early makes it easier for the town to lose. Also, I have a power that can kill me."Yes, but not right now." is very unlikely to be the lie, considering it was in response to a question about if we should lynch TDS.
"Killing me off early makes it easier for the town to lose." Could be this, in which case it would be in the town's interests to lynch him. Since I am town, it would be good for me.
"Also, I have a power that can kill me." This is not that outlandish. I too got a power that can do that too.
But remember, all three could be lies, or any combination of two.
Someone said they had a power like the one I just used, FoU I think? They can confirm my power for you, if you'd like.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 05, 2016, 03:01:52 pm
FoU, since you apparently submitted the role that made Ragshake, what was it?
Tawa,
If you need to warn people that your posts can trigger things, why doesn't this posts contain any warning?Tawarochir: Guess who else I forgot to ask a question- you. What's this about "John Freeman"?he was gordon freemans brother who was one day in an office typing on a computer when he got an email from his brother saying that aliens and monsters were attacking his place and aksed him for help so he went.
In all seriousness, one of my powers forces me to warn somebody that my post might trigger something, so I just made stuff up.
I was being deliberately over-the-top with my OSG accusation, but I think that your forthcomingness with information (and apparently contradictory information) concerning the tumbleweed is still fishy. I'll throw out a round of questions in a little while.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 05, 2016, 03:03:25 pm
Post by: flabort on February 05, 2016, 03:45:57 pm
"I doubt that," Deus Asmoth replied. "Look, it has directions for opening it printed right on the cover. You just lift the lid, like so..."
Deus Asmoth has died! He was Town
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note: Due to the Possibility of resurrections, there is no Deadchat. Sorry Deus.
The day continues...
Votecount
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar: Teneb
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow: Ragshake, Tawarochir, Fallacy of Urist, TolyK
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Notquitethere, Shakerag, Hector13
Post by: Tawa on February 05, 2016, 03:53:08 pm
... what in the nine hells has been going on here?Ah, damn it. It's an optional thing, I get to use two night powers if I have warnings every time. Since I'll get a second infraction if I edit a warning into that I'll just ignore those for now.
FoU, since you apparently submitted the role that made Ragshake, what was it?
Tawa,If you need to warn people that your posts can trigger things, why doesn't this posts contain any warning?Tawarochir: Guess who else I forgot to ask a question- you. What's this about "John Freeman"?he was gordon freemans brother who was one day in an office typing on a computer when he got an email from his brother saying that aliens and monsters were attacking his place and aksed him for help so he went.
In all seriousness, one of my powers forces me to warn somebody that my post might trigger something, so I just made stuff up.
I was being deliberately over-the-top with my OSG accusation, but I think that your forthcomingness with information (and apparently contradictory information) concerning the tumbleweed is still fishy. I'll throw out a round of questions in a little while.
Unvote.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 05, 2016, 03:59:05 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 05, 2016, 04:15:41 pm
Everyone, how likely are we to be able to trust this:Well, knowing full well that anything I say can totally be construed as WIFOM, I'd say that either someone has a power that can announce someone's role (i.e. a public day inspect) -OR- someone has a role that can make the mod post a message of his/her choice. Neither one seems terribly out of the question in a game like this.Shakerag is a Jester
Deus Asmoth has died! He was TownHuh. None of my roles in there.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 05:20:36 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 05:24:05 pm
Whoever has the second box should be looked at. I'm pretty sure it gives the "redact 5 posts" ability. Right TDS?)
TDS, can you kill yourself while targeting yourself?
Can you clearly state everything again/aggregate what you have stated about your wincon/death thing? Same goes for Teneb and everyone else with a strange wincon.
Now, with that settled, I'd like to reiterate that the mafia probably want to somehow get me the list of the entire mafia. Trust me in this one. It might even be worth an infraction, though that's up for you to decide, obviously.
Post by: flabort on February 05, 2016, 05:29:58 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 05:30:20 pm
Awaiting DA to revive N4, I guess.
He can help kill DS or whoever, since Kryptonite.
Also, please don't try to kill me, it'll only annoy me and set everyone back. :(
TDS, do you have anything that triggers on your getting targeted by an ability?
Not unvoting because I wanna see what happens next.
So, two boxes left. The 'kill everyone', and 'powers'.PREEEEETY sure I have the Kill Everyone, but potentially not.
Post by: TolyK on February 05, 2016, 05:33:37 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 05:35:38 pm
RIP DA.
Whoever has the second box should be looked at. I'm pretty sure it gives the "redact 5 posts" ability. Right TDS?)
Yep.
TDS, can you kill yourself while targeting yourself?
I'll answer this soon.
Can you clearly state everything again/aggregate what you have stated about your wincon/death thing? Same goes for Teneb and everyone else with a strange wincon.
I am town with the standard town wincon. I prevent people from winning when I have a certain role. I am unkillable.
TDS, do you have anything that triggers on your getting targeted by an ability?
Not unvoting because I wanna see what happens next.
I don't think so. Why?
PREEEEETY sure I have the Kill Everyone, but potentially not.
Why do you think that?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 05:36:55 pm
TDS, can you kill yourself while targeting yourself?
I'll answer this soon.
EBWOP: No, but the Box of Orden apparently got around that.
Post by: Teneb on February 05, 2016, 06:05:54 pm
Can you clearly state everything again/aggregate what you have stated about your wincon/death thing? Same goes for Teneb and everyone else with a strange wincon.I can only win when I die. I can only die when I win.
Huh.Any reason in particular for wanting me dead? Or just being your old scum self?
Awaiting DA to revive N4, I guess.
He can help kill DS or whoever, since Kryptonite.
Why?TDS, can you kill yourself while targeting yourself?I'll answer this soon.
Post by: flabort on February 05, 2016, 06:16:32 pm
flabort, if one player PM's another, is reporting an infraction honor-rule or not mandatory? Nothing of the sort has occurred, just asking.Well, I guess that's up to your interpretation. (Cop-out answer go!)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 06:51:02 pm
Why?TDS, can you kill yourself while targeting yourself?I'll answer this soon.
I was waiting for flabort's response to the same question.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 07:05:06 pm
... what in the nine hells has been going on here?1. My sentiments exactly.
FoU, since you apparently submitted the role that made Ragshake, what was it?
2. The Role that creates a "Shakerag's Evil Twin" NPC.
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Well. Orden is more complicated than I expected. For one thing, you only need one box in order to open one...
Also... so two boxes are left. The one that mass murders every player and the one that grants edit power, useful for vote manipulation.
The horrific thought occurs to me that the mass nuking box is a serial killer's dream.
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Another horrific thought occurs to me: what would happen if Ragshake acquired the Box of Orden that grants mass edit power and opened it? AGH NO.
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So yeah... that's Orden for you.
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One of my roles went to DA - the one that put people up for replacement. Also, I do not have a selfkill ability. Well, if the box powers are related to each other. If anyone has one to trade that can avoid protections, I could use it.Hey. TheDarkStar. I don't have a Box of Orden... but I have a role called Frogger that has a "self dies" clause that should be pretty easy to trigger. I have no real need or want for it, and having it is preventing me from using [REDACTED TO MAKE ME LESS OF A SCUM TARGET] every night. If you want it and you an take it, you can have it.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 07:15:30 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 07:54:25 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 07:56:14 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 07:57:25 pm
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Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 07:58:53 pm
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:-\
I sent in the action before posting.
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 07:59:34 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 08:00:20 pm
*twiddles thumbs*
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 08:02:39 pm
I have a role that guarantees correct role flips, so no.I submitted that one! It was one of my best ideas!
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Um... well... look at the bright side! If it's the one that grants power, we'll know the last one is the nuke. If it's the nuke... well, it probably won't kill me because [REDACTED].
That said...
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Dangit. NINJAS. In any case... you've already done it(if you didn't and you're just trolling us, I'm going to break out the most dangerous ability in my arsenal and use it on you). WHYYYY!!!
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 08:03:53 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 08:06:57 pm
And I repeat myself...
NOOOOO!!!! WHYYYYYY!!!
Okay, really, what made you think that was a good idea, TheDarkStar? Why couldn't you have resisted the temptation of ultimate day power? Why were you willing to risk a mass death for... post control powers?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 08:09:22 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 08:11:47 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 08:12:21 pm
Post by: notquitethere on February 05, 2016, 08:13:38 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 08:14:35 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 08:15:38 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 08:19:20 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 09:01:07 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 09:46:09 pm
So basically you now have post manipulation power. If you're telling the truth.
TheDarkStar. I may have already voted you, but I want to make it harder for you to erase my votes against you.
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Why do I currently want to lynch you? NQT sums it up nicely:
Attempting to murder all players after a player has claimed the ability to inspect boxes... that's not pro-town TDS.That's one. Plus... you're risking a kill attempt on all players... for the ability to freely change 5 posts a day.
Post manipulation is not really a town power, yeh? Why would you want post manipulation powers... at the risk of mass murder... if you were town?
Ragshake: Care to join me?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 09:52:58 pm
Moonlit, don't use your box inspect on me (at least not first), I am 99% sure I won't be using my box in the near future.Here we go. Assuming TolyK isn't lying about having a box of orden... assuming TDS isn't lying about having opened the box that grants power...
TolyK basically has a nuke now.
TolyK: What are you going to do with your nuke?
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 09:53:20 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 10:03:22 pm
How is post manipulation not a town power?
How is it a town power?
Anyway, my set of roles appears to be some kind of giant joke - I'm unkillable and can't win until killed and I prevent a bunch of other things from happening.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 10:04:29 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 05, 2016, 10:06:00 pm
Maybe, just maybe, a town player could prevent a town lynch by editing voting posts. The same could get a townie lynched when a scum player would otherwise be lynched, though.
The scum, however... have many more reasons to manipulate posts. They can gain more from it.
And don't even get me started on jesters with post manipulation.
Anyway, my set of roles appears to be some kind of giant joke - I'm unkillable and can't win until killed and I prevent a bunch of other things from happening.You're unkillable... but you can't win until you're killed. Hold on. Is that "killed", or is that "dead"?
Because I have a role called Frogger... if you take it somehow, you'll be able to exploit it to die night two. Not a kill, just your death. If you want that, figure out some way to take it from me.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 05, 2016, 10:10:47 pm
I can't steal roles, unfortunately.
Unrelated: If TolyK uses his Box of Orden, hilarity will ensue. Not from me, but from a role I sent in.
Post by: hector13 on February 05, 2016, 10:12:45 pm
How is post manipulation not a town power?
How is it a town power?
Precisely: it depends how you use it.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2016, 01:00:07 am
Post by: TolyK on February 06, 2016, 04:10:09 am
Moonlit, don't use your box inspect on me (at least not first), I am 99% sure I won't be using my box in the near future.Here we go. Assuming TolyK isn't lying about having a box of orden... assuming TDS isn't lying about having opened the box that grants power...
TolyK basically has a nuke now.
TolyK: What are you going to do with your nuke?
Well, currently, I have no idea. Killing myself would be annoying, so I definitely won't use it today, or rather until we have a big plan for most people/town to win.
If TDS really did open his box, then I must indeed have the nuke, and post-edits by Meph are probably by him.
I can't win until I'm dead because it makes the win-prevention role stop.Hmm. Duly noted.
I can't steal roles, unfortunately.
Unrelated: If TolyK uses his Box of Orden, hilarity will ensue. Not from me, but from a role I sent in.
I submitted a Shakeragian role that probably makes all investigative powers fail while a living player has it.Fun fact: Inspections on me will have a random random result either way.
I am also going to reiterate on the mafia-cooperate-with-me-nao thing. We 99% have a mafia and it looks as if (from my point of view) that there's a way to make (nearly?) everyone win.
Post by: hector13 on February 06, 2016, 09:40:03 am
I believe scum might get more use out of it, however.
And how does the role's utility make TDS scum?
Post by: Tiruin on February 06, 2016, 10:40:06 am
I'll be posting later on but Shakerag
FoU:Why is there a loaded question to TMS there? And why only TolyK in particular? [I mean others could've done the same] (And also with the rest being banter or stuff)Shakerag: You have an evil twin. Are you going to do something about that.That would depend on whether or not I -can- do something about it. For now, I think it's kind of hilarious.
Also, the Sword of Truth series sucked >_<
Tawarochir:
Looks like you got my trigger warnings role. Sorry bub.WARNING: This post may trigger an infraction on my part but it's worth itYou're welcome.
(also screw you, whoever submitted that role)
4maskwolf:What's this nonsense about this "ragshake" person being "Shakerag's evil twin". I've played with Shakerag before, and there is no good in him. There is no possible way for ragshake to actually be the evil twin of that duo.This. This right here. It likely should have been my good twin >_>
Just saying.
Tiruin: Define a "healthy" amount.
The Moonlit Shadow: Are you having problems accessing quicktopic right now?
TolyK: How much Shakeragian bullshit did you personally introduce into this game?
Ragshake: 'sup, buddy? Wanna go somewhere and get totally shitfaced and swap stories?
A Tumbling Tumbleweed: *makes tumbleweed noises*
Hector13: What question should I be asking you right now?
OSG: What's new in the field of origami science?
Teneb: Doesn't RVS seem even more pointless in a game like this?
Also 'healthy' = comprehensible. I always love people asking me questions :P
But dear goodness did that not work out well :I Y u no questions me, people!
...Ok, serious wording now because (I'm silly because I'm happy. RL stuffs. I:)
Everyone: Who isn't afraid of dying, other than TDS?TolyK: U gon keel me nao punk? Bring eet! Bring eet! I ain't afraid of no dying!
:v
What purpose does this kind of questioning lead to, and why're you excluding TDS straight out? :v Like, even in the sentence structure.
I believe scum might get more use out of it, however.Fallacy
You could really do with adding more content when you give stuff like these :P It helps make posts more efficient.
That said...
Everyone who voted TDS: Why pick him firsthand other than the [everyone else] around?
...Subtle intonation there? That's some kind of specific hypotheticals, TMS.I can't win until I'm dead because it makes the win-prevention role stop.What if I 'remove you from the game'? Would that work?
I can't steal roles, unfortunately.
Unrelated: If TolyK uses his Box of Orden, hilarity will ensue. Not from me, but from a role I sent in.
Maybe it's me and semantics, but I see you used 'I' there.
Spoiler: OOG (Out of Game) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tiruin on February 06, 2016, 11:17:13 am
Query to everybody: why would DA want to open his Box of Orden? It would either kill him, kill everybody, or grant him limited edit powers... I'm thinking that he's actually a serial killer, but won't flip as one until day four. Because then: killing everybody becomes desirable, and using the box becomes less of a risk.Many things. Either he could be teammates with someone and opened it due to speculation of bonus. Perhaps also knowing he's town (unless there's a role/power that's hiddent hat converts flips to a certain alignment [seriously that's not nice -_- but this is me prejudging]), that there's little for him to lose and much more to gain (since the idea that 'oh wow, 1/3 chance to KILL EM ALL? Surely there's a defense to that' comes up) considering the any-3 clause there before opening it.
I am also going to reiterate on the mafia-cooperate-with-me-nao thing. We 99% have a mafia and it looks as if (from my point of view) that there's a way to make (nearly?) everyone win.You...could explain your idea out loud you know :v I seriously doubt you'd get a 'hey I'm Mafia right now! Look at me! Please tell me your plan :D' bit. I mean I could say I'm Mafia and any hint towards it will be for forward easy guessing. It's also a strangely straightforward idea since it's obvious that you considered the context of others here. Take for example me being town, and I want to get rid of the Mafia, now I don't know you--so I use my powers on the claimed Mafia :v That's only ONE of the many fun things that can happen when uncoordination occurs.
So you explaining your plan is best for everyone. Currently at its vague state, it actually benefits the Mafia more.
Maybe YOOOUUU ARE MAFIA TOO. But that's me being silly. Usually when you do those silly things, you're not explicitly the one you call out in your plan >_>
So sup, TolyK? In the least hint about that everyone win bit.
Post by: Teneb on February 06, 2016, 11:20:37 am
Everyone who voted TDS: Why pick him firsthand other than the [everyone else] around?Because he lied (replay 211), of course. And town rarely have reason to lie.
Post by: Tiruin on February 06, 2016, 11:27:27 am
The box has been successfully opened and it was not the kill box.I'm browsing via searchengine (As in I typed in boxes//box) and...you can see when boxes are opened? O_o (I don't have a box) but yeah.
I'm seriously re-reading someday soon, but I don't want to cross the OP 'one day' thing because of RL stuff! :IEveryone who voted TDS: Why pick him firsthand other than the [everyone else] around?Because he lied (replay 211), of course. And town rarely have reason to lie.
And nope, especially in this context town HAVE a reason to lie even if the only ones they are certain about are themselves; the Mafia are a coordinated bunch, BUT the essence of roles each person has is a varied and very...dynamic set. So town can lie, but in a way that would forward the wincon, or at least help other people gain more information than if anything otherwise was said. But that's really contextual and I have no idea what you're talking to because I did not fully read the thread yet and gahhhhh
Post by: hector13 on February 06, 2016, 11:30:19 am
Everyone who voted TDS: Why pick him firsthand other than the [everyone else] around?Because he lied (replay 211), of course. And town rarely have reason to lie.
So it's a policy lynch, then? Fantastic!
Perhaps town!TDS does have reason to lie, that he can't share as of yet. Remember what type of game this is? Perhaps he didn't have a box at all. Perhaps he's a jester. Perhaps any other number of things I haven't thought about yet because I think it's silly to jump to conclusions with minimal evidence.
This is of course to say I don't have evidence beyond what's been said so far. Other's may be in a different boat altogether...
Post by: TolyK on February 06, 2016, 12:54:52 pm
Well, TDS has claimed to not dying when killed, which is why I excluded him from that question.Everyone: Who isn't afraid of dying, other than TDS?TolyK: U gon keel me nao punk? Bring eet! Bring eet! I ain't afraid of no dying!
:v
What purpose does this kind of questioning lead to, and why're you excluding TDS straight out? :v Like, even in the sentence structure.
This question is mainly to see who I could count on living through a mass-extinction event, if it would be required by any plan.
Well, if I were mafia, I doubt... oh, right, WIFOM. I guess I could be mafia-ally as well, if it really came to it...I am also going to reiterate on the mafia-cooperate-with-me-nao thing. We 99% have a mafia and it looks as if (from my point of view) that there's a way to make (nearly?) everyone win.You...could explain your idea out loud you know :v I seriously doubt you'd get a 'hey I'm Mafia right now! Look at me! Please tell me your plan :D' bit. I mean I could say I'm Mafia and any hint towards it will be for forward easy guessing. It's also a strangely straightforward idea since it's obvious that you considered the context of others here. Take for example me being town, and I want to get rid of the Mafia, now I don't know you--so I use my powers on the claimed Mafia :v That's only ONE of the many fun things that can happen when uncoordination occurs.
So you explaining your plan is best for everyone. Currently at its vague state, it actually benefits the Mafia more.
Maybe YOOOUUU ARE MAFIA TOO. But that's me being silly. Usually when you do those silly things, you're not explicitly the one you call out in your plan >_>
So sup, TolyK? In the least hint about that everyone win bit.
Anyways.
Current plan: Figure out the puzzle peices.
Current roleclaim:
I have a suicide button, a nuke-everyone-button, a way to make chats between people, a watcher (see who visited target) ability, and some other stuff I'll keep secret for now. Some of that stuff has to do with passive-aggressively (:P) buffing a mafia team member, and some of it has to do with a jester. Yep. Given all this crap, I'd like to have a chat with the mafia team regarding their targeting of folks to coordinate "everyone wins" plans with less risk for the mafia team (they only have to trust me not betraying them, rather than the whole town).
I'm pretty sure the chats are permanent, so I'm confirming some info before doing anything, but stay tuned!
Also, hector, now I know where one of my roles comes from.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2016, 01:18:56 pm
It's not so much that... it's possible for town to use the Power of Orden to town's benefit...I believe scum might get more use out of it, however.And how does the role's utility make TDS scum?
Query, hector: At the time before TDS opened(if he wasn't lying) his box, the "kill self" box had already been opened. Meaning one box nuked everybody, and one box granted... post manipulation powers.
Why would a townie want to risk nuking everybody for... post manipulation powers, of all things?
Post by: TolyK on February 06, 2016, 01:23:45 pm
I don't approve of it either, but whatever I guess? :>
Post by: hector13 on February 06, 2016, 01:27:27 pm
It's not so much that... it's possible for town to use the Power of Orden to town's benefit...I believe scum might get more use out of it, however.And how does the role's utility make TDS scum?
Query, hector: At the time before TDS opened(if he wasn't lying) his box, the "kill self" box had already been opened. Meaning one box nuked everybody, and one box granted... post manipulation powers.
Why would a townie want to risk nuking everybody for... post manipulation powers, of all things?
'cause it's a role fuckery game. There are also 15 players, and presumable third-parties. Given that TDS is, in essence, indirectly encouraging people to kill him because TDSISOP, I'm inclined to think he's a jester.
Anyway, the box doesn't kill. It launches kill attempts on everyone. Significant difference there, buddy boy. Considering that one of the new rules is:
kills of any sort have a 20% chance of failing (on top of any other chances) but bypass all protection abilities, and any other action has a 10% chance of turning into a kill.
That means that ~1-in-5 of those kill attempts will fail. Equally so, every single action has a 1-in-10 chance of killing someone, so... considering 15 players, that means that at least one of us is going to kill someone unintentionally at some point during every single phase.
Post by: TolyK on February 06, 2016, 01:29:54 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2016, 01:49:34 pm
I have some protection against such... but I imagine that a significant number of the players wouldn't.
Query: more players are town than scum.
Opening the nuke box would have been worse for town than scum.
Why are you defending the guy that was willing to risk nuking everybody... for post manipulation powers?
Post by: TolyK on February 06, 2016, 02:30:05 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 06, 2016, 03:19:15 pm
... hector, are you trying to downplay a power that could have ATTEMPTED TO KILL EVERYBODY? Sure, 1 in 5 of those attacks would have failed. That still leaves the vast majority of the players.
I have some protection against such... but I imagine that a significant number of the players wouldn't.
Query: more players are town than scum.
Opening the nuke box would have been worse for town than scum.
Why are you defending the guy that was willing to risk nuking everybody... for post manipulation powers?
I'm not defending it. Just wondering why everyone thinks it means TDS is scum. We don't even know if he has/had a box.
Also it would be a bit of a shitty game if flabort didn't have something in mind should someone happen to open that particular box on D1.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2016, 03:21:09 pm
If he was town, why would he open his box?
If he was scum...
Actually, if he was an SK, he would be a lot more motivated to open his box. Either way, good things for mr. SK.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 06, 2016, 03:42:59 pm
Post by: Teneb on February 06, 2016, 05:42:14 pm
Town actually can have several reasons to lie in this begongled setup because of the powers that they have and don't want anybody else to know. Otherwise, there would be nothing to stop everybody from mass claiming all their roles right here and right now. Also, abilities probably has little to no affect on role if FHPBYOR1 is anything to go by.Refusing to give information (thusly, omission) is not a lie. Either way, TDS has not been acting like a townie. He lied, was dodgy with info and, more importantly, used an ability that had the potential to kill everyone in DAY ONE. Even if you dismiss the first two, the third is not something town does outside the toughest LYLOs (example: last day of BYOS).
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 06, 2016, 06:30:57 pm
Even if you dismiss the first two, the third is not something town does outside the toughest LYLOs (example: last day of BYOS).
Counterexample: DA.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2016, 06:35:48 pm
Of course, it's still not excusable, but it's not as risky as what you did...
Post by: Teneb on February 06, 2016, 07:40:21 pm
DA using the box was also not town behaviour.Even if you dismiss the first two, the third is not something town does outside the toughest LYLOs (example: last day of BYOS).
Counterexample: DA.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 06, 2016, 09:01:08 pm
But he was town.DA using the box was also not town behaviour.Even if you dismiss the first two, the third is not something town does outside the toughest LYLOs (example: last day of BYOS).
Counterexample: DA.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 06, 2016, 11:31:49 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 03:45:07 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 06:16:04 pm
Post by: Teneb on February 07, 2016, 08:08:14 pm
... yeah... well, on the other hand, it could kill all the scum if someone has revives.Keep in mind that the multikill can also kill whomever has these theoretical revives. If TolyK is town, or careful scum, he won't use it.
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 08:09:32 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 08:18:35 pm
~~~
... this game is complicated. But of course, what else should I have expected?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 07, 2016, 08:45:55 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 08:47:01 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:14:34 pm
Uh... so... we really need to determine what alignmentTDSTolyk is then.
FTFY
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:25:58 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 09:27:37 pm
no wonder Orden is so powerful.
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:28:55 pm
Again, assuming he opened the box.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 09:32:04 pm
Actually, he can do it to five posts per day. Check the wording of Deus Asmoth's role flip.
TheDarkStar. Just for emphasis.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 07, 2016, 09:35:09 pm
Again, assuming he opened the box and got power result.
Actually, he can do it to five posts per day. Check the wording of Deus Asmoth's role flip.
TheDarkStar. Just for emphasis.
Honestly, I don't mind people trying to kill me because none of us can win with my current power. It's just the lynching me won't work (and I'll have to forcibly redirect it to avoid a nolynch).
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:35:27 pm
That's problematic.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 09:38:32 pm
Everybody: I have a role called Frogger. If you have a method to transfer it to TDS, do so. Frogger has a clause that TDS can use to make himself die(not a kill, just a "you die" style effect) N2.
Plus I'm going to remind everybody that I used my truth detection ability today on TDS' statement of "I have a role that means nobody can win"(or whatever it was called). It came up true. Unfortunately.
~~~
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:40:02 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 09:41:00 pm
Behold.Okay. Um... wow. Whoever sent in that troll role that prevents whoever has it from winning... allow me to express my anger towards you- RAAAAGGHH!!!
It could be worse - I have a role that stops everyone from winning.
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:41:53 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 09:46:21 pm
But I do see your issue. Hm. Some role cop inspections on TDS would be wonderful...
In any case, tomorrow, if I'm still alive, TDS can post the "I have a role that stops everyone from winning." by itself for me to scan.
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:47:31 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 09:50:04 pm
~~~
In any case, I'll ask flabort if a partial truth result is possible.
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 09:52:18 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 07, 2016, 10:07:43 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 07, 2016, 10:28:58 pm
Okay.
Everybody: I have a role called Frogger. If you have a method to transfer it to TDS, do so. Frogger has a clause that TDS can use to make himself die(not a kill, just a "you die" style effect) N2.
Plus I'm going to remind everybody that I used my truth detection ability today on TDS' statement of "I have a role that means nobody can win"(or whatever it was called). It came up true. Unfortunately.
~~~
That ability should be able to kill me. Hopefully.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 07, 2016, 10:30:01 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 07, 2016, 10:31:46 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 07, 2016, 10:41:47 pm
BRONCOS!
Although I don't care about football, I'm highly tempted to edit this post to support whatever the opposing team is.
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 10:44:28 pm
BRONCOS!
Although I don't care about football, I'm highly tempted to edit this post to support whatever the opposing team is.
PANTHERS.
But they suck, obviously.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 07, 2016, 10:45:37 pm
Je ne comprend pas why football is so enjoyed by so many people...
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 07, 2016, 10:47:53 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 07, 2016, 10:49:16 pm
What doth be this obsession with football?
Je ne comprend pas why football is so enjoyed by so many people...
It's violent and there's enough strategy in it as a result of different ways to score and different ways to play that there's enough to it for everyone. Probably.
Post by: flabort on February 08, 2016, 01:35:37 am
Quote from: Ragshake
What'd I miss? Got lost at the bar, wound up in an alternate dimension, killed somebody (think it was a hooker), dropped Shakerag off at the gas station, rendezvoused with flabort at a hospital, had a few more drinks, and now I'm back. With a killer head-ache, I might add; I might have put that to use, if my second day action hadn't failed. Ugh, you goody two shoe people and your distrust. Let loose, live a little! Perhaps you'd like to vote 4mask with me?
Votecount
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar: Fallacy of Urist, Notquitethere, Teneb
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow: TolyK
Tiruin:
4maskwolf: Ragshake
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, OrigamiScienceGuy, Tawarochir, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Hector13
Post by: notquitethere on February 08, 2016, 01:40:48 am
4mask, what do you reckon?
TDS, is it a waste of time me voting you: what will happen if you're lynched?
Post by: flabort on February 08, 2016, 01:58:56 am
Quote from: Ragshake
Not at all. I just felt like it; it would be cruel to kill him while he's AFK... :D I like cruelty.
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 04:11:04 am
I have no vote manipulation powers. Do you?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 08, 2016, 07:00:03 am
TDS, is it a waste of time me voting you: what will happen if you're lynched?
The lynch will fail.
Post by: Teneb on February 08, 2016, 07:51:58 am
Assuming that you are not fakeclaiming. Fortunately, there is a way to find out (lynching you).TDS, is it a waste of time me voting you: what will happen if you're lynched?The lynch will fail.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 08:30:58 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 08, 2016, 08:33:13 am
Either I'm paranoid or OSG isn't on the votelist of being voted o_O Flabort please recheck?Quote from: RagshakeWhat'd I miss? Got lost at the bar, wound up in an alternate dimension, killed somebody (think it was a hooker), dropped Shakerag off at the gas station, rendezvoused with flabort at a hospital, had a few more drinks, and now I'm back. With a killer head-ache, I might add; I might have put that to use, if my second day action hadn't failed. Ugh, you goody two shoe people and your distrust. Let loose, live a little! Perhaps you'd like to vote 4mask with me?
Votecount
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar: Fallacy of Urist, Notquitethere, Teneb
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow: TolyK
Tiruin:
4maskwolf: Ragshake
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, OrigamiScienceGuy, Tawarochir, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Hector13
I'd rather not spin around with TDS and the amount of attention revolving around him :v I mean, why?
Him stopping peeps from winning is paramount importance to scum BEFORE town...so why the curiosity, TMS, Teneb, and probably all the rest voting/making 70%+ of their post directed to TDS who I lack the time to include here.
NQT
Theory: Ragshake votes for whomever's posted the least.What're your thoughts on the non-player participants? If there's a theory to be included, I want to see your underlying insights on them. Are they free to speak by Flabort's
Okay.FoU What're your thoughts on why you're revealing this ON DAY 1 in the whole context of this game?
Everybody: I have a role called Frogger. If you have a method to transfer it to TDS, do so. Frogger has a clause that TDS can use to make himself die(not a kill, just a "you die" style effect) N2.
Plus I'm going to remind everybody that I used my truth detection ability today on TDS' statement of "I have a role that means nobody can win"(or whatever it was called). It came up true. Unfortunately.
~~~
Why are you revealing you having a truth detection thingy in a statement that just gives out the fact that you have one rather than actually confirming TDS' idea? {Contextually inefficient :V}
This game seems to throw out all traditional strategies of winning other games. I agree that TDS needs to die, and I suppose that attempting to lynch him is the only way to. TDS x3I don't. :v 'This game seems to throw out all traditional strategies' on D1? Seriously?
OSG: Since when have traditional strategies encompassed D1 only?
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 08:35:14 am
Tolyk: Why... what was the point of that last post? What would happen if you were to be lynched?I meant for ONE person to vote for me, not everyone. :P
On that note, though, the lynch would fail.
This game seems to throw out all traditional strategies of winning other games. I agree that TDS needs to die, and I suppose that attempting to lynch him is the only way to. TDS x3Well, we could try that, because at worst it basically becomes "nobody gets lynched", which I'm personally fine with.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 08:36:29 am
I don't think they really hold the same meaning here, since TDS could very well be town with an unfortunate ability (Who gave him that one anyway?)
Post by: Tiruin on February 08, 2016, 08:51:07 am
Strategies: Find scum, Kill scum."Stopping everyone from winning" = scum? :v
I don't think they really hold the same meaning here, since TDS could very well be town with an unfortunate ability (Who gave him that one anyway?)
Yeah, we need to focus on TDS's 'stop everyone from winning' ability. I mean, anyone else want to win?Day. One. I'll reframe what you've said for clarity since I'm uncertain (and you're new :v)
Are you giving off the idea of the 'need to win', over focusing on TDS, without minding the context of the present situation?
Why should you focus on him, now?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 08:52:48 am
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 09:46:02 am
Strategies: Find scum, Kill scum.This is basically what the role says, but I'm very optimistic on a joint victory condition.
I don't think they really hold the same meaning here, since TDS could very well be town with an unfortunate ability (Who gave him that one anyway?)
Yeah, we need to focus on TDS's 'stop everyone from winning' ability. I mean, anyone else want to win?I don't want it, I'm fine with it. Day 1 is basically a nothing day where few abilities (except the mystery boxes and several lower-key abilities such as truth inspection) happen, and with no history to determine anything, attempting to lynch TDS and potentially failing isn't really my greatest worry.
Tolyk: Why do you want us to lose one of our kills? At least some town have kills because of the rule that someone can't be lynched unless someone voting them has a kill, so we still have that, but this is the only kill that the entirety of the town decides on.
What would suck, however, is killing people who are vital to an "everyone-wins" plan, or at least killing people who could help in removing TDS's "nobody can win" role.
I'm currently ambivalent about scumhunting because:
- we don't know what form the mafia team is in (could be a recruitment thing for all we know)
- I am fairly sure that there's an "everyone wins" scenario, which would (probably) require teamwork from both factions (+ third parties?).
Mafia: I'm still waiting on a list of names. At least one, but all would be better (obviously riskier for you). Otherwise I'll have to waste time guessing, which I guess would require scumhunting. Hmm...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 08, 2016, 09:49:04 am
~~~
Quote from: Ragshake
if my second day action hadn't failed... and thank goodness too.
~~~
I'd rather not spin around with TDS and the amount of attention revolving around him :v I mean, why?Oh hello.
Him stopping peeps from winning is paramount importance to scum BEFORE town...so why the curiosity, TMS, Teneb, and probably all the rest voting/making 70%+ of their post directed to TDS who I lack the time to include here.Okay.FoU What're your thoughts on why you're revealing this ON DAY 1 in the whole context of this game?
Everybody: I have a role called Frogger. If you have a method to transfer it to TDS, do so. Frogger has a clause that TDS can use to make himself die(not a kill, just a "you die" style effect) N2.
Plus I'm going to remind everybody that I used my truth detection ability today on TDS' statement of "I have a role that means nobody can win"(or whatever it was called). It came up true. Unfortunately.
~~~
Why are you revealing you having a truth detection thingy in a statement that just gives out the fact that you have one rather than actually confirming TDS' idea? {Contextually inefficient :V}
1. "Him stopping peeps from winning is paramount importance for scum BEFORE town...so why the curiosity"... explain this, please- I don't quite see why...
2. "Why are you revealing you have a truth detection thingy"... I was just bringing it up again. I already did so earlier. And I'm not so sure if it's completely confirming TDS' mass win jamming anymore... hector13 pointed out that the first part of the post in which TDS claimed his win jammer role contained a phrase that could have made my scan see it as true and not false... so I'm not so sure about that anymore.
3. So why am I revealing my truth teller ability day one? Because I believe it's useful for us to know about it. I'll be able to use it once per day, barring interference. With proper phrasing, that's an inspection that isn't messed with by several sorts of abilities(miller, godfather, whatnot). Plus claim confirmation... that could make all the difference.
~~~
Vote for me, let's see what happens.I'll support the idea that this sounds slightly suspicious. TolyK, are you a Survivor?
I have no vote manipulation powers. Do you?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 08, 2016, 10:02:25 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 10:03:53 am
((FoU, think a second...))What's that supposed to mean?
Post by: Shakerag on February 08, 2016, 10:06:00 am
I believe that is a polite way for TheBiggerFish to call FallacyofUrist an idiot.((FoU, think a second...))What's that supposed to mean?
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 10:25:17 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 10:35:32 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 08, 2016, 10:49:25 am
Everybody, do you have a role that prevents you from winning unless a certain condition is met? You don't have to say what the condition is.
I do not, but It is possible that TDS is also blocking.
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 11:22:37 am
Tolyk: Going for an 'everyone wins' is kinda... ambitious, don't you think?No, I think it fits fine in any bastard game. There are some in which this is impossible, but this is a setup where it seems completely possible.
Everybody, do you have a role that prevents you from winning unless a certain condition is met? You don't have to say what the condition is.No, I don't have any role that prevents anyone winning. Well, except possibly the mafia, currently, but that can actually change. Hence the whole "everyone wins" bit.
Post by: Teneb on February 08, 2016, 11:29:39 am
Everybody, do you have a role that prevents you from winning unless a certain condition is met? You don't have to say what the condition is.I already stated this twice, but again since people can't seem to remember: I am town. I can only win while dead. I can only die if I win. This does not affect anyone but myself and anti-town players.
Post by: Shakerag on February 08, 2016, 12:34:36 pm
Let's see.I have a role with an auto that prevents me from winning as long as I have the role. However, I can get rid of it fairly easily since I have another role that has abilities powered by sacrificing roles I have.
Everybody, do you have a role that prevents you from winning unless a certain condition is met? You don't have to say what the condition is.
I do not, but It is possible that TDS is also blocking.
Post by: hector13 on February 08, 2016, 12:38:26 pm
Everybody, do you have a role that prevents you from winning unless a certain condition is met? You don't have to say what the condition is.
Yes. I have in fact lost the game already (and so have all of you! hohohoho /stupid reference)
Post by: flabort on February 08, 2016, 12:53:52 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Eheh. I think I know who that person is... :D Nope. Not gonna just because you asked. I'm not some do-gooder who does what people ask of him.Tolyk: Why... what was the point of that last post? What would happen if you were to be lynched?I meant for ONE person to vote for me, not everyone. :P
On that note, though, the lynch would fail.Hohohohector, that's not funny.Everybody, do you have a role that prevents you from winning unless a certain condition is met? You don't have to say what the condition is.
Yes. I have in fact lost the game already (and so have all of you! hohohoho /stupid reference)
((Thanks Tiruin, copy-paste error there, fixed this time 'round))
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy: Tiruin
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar: Fallacy of Urist, Notquitethere, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Teneb, Solid Snake, Solid Snake, Solid Snake, Solid Snake
Hector13: Ragshake
The Moonlit Shadow: TolyK
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Notquitethere:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (I):
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, Tawarochir, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Hector13
TolyK has been given an Infraction as a gift from someone!
The day ends in ~4-5 hours
Post by: hector13 on February 08, 2016, 01:04:21 pm
Evidently he's no Big Boss.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 01:07:28 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 08, 2016, 02:09:07 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 08, 2016, 03:18:20 pm
~~~
Of course, if he does actually have the power of Orden... he can't negate the Solid Snake clones' votes, but he can switch our votes to somebody else...
~~~
It occurs to me that he could be scum fake claiming a box of orden that one of his buddies has...
~~~
TolyK got an Infraction as a power result(or that's what it appears to be)... welp.
~~~
Thus is this game, yeh?
~~~
Post by: TolyK on February 08, 2016, 05:10:03 pm
Either way, the extra votes are from some bs ability that people obviously haven't claimed. But they're voting for TDS, so I'm guessing people want to lynch him from all angles. Hmm.
Post by: flabort on February 08, 2016, 05:16:40 pm
Day End Votes
Oragamiscienceguy: 1
TheDarkStar: 8
Hector13: 1
TheMoonlitShadow: 1
Anyone Else: 0
Lurking Infractions
None. 4mask just barely avoids getting one.
Day 1 ends
A large gang of chosen mortals gathers around TheDarkStar wielding their divine powers; he is brought to the back of the ship, forceably being shoved, and pushed off the edge. He just floats there, instead of falling towards the black hole that it has become apparent the vessel is in stable orbit around. He just flies around avoiding the mob until everyone agrees not to lynch him and go do other things for a while.
No lynch has occurred
Night 1 begins, and will end Wednesday
Post by: flabort on February 10, 2016, 05:07:31 pm
Post by: flabort on February 10, 2016, 05:49:34 pm
Post by: flabort on February 10, 2016, 06:04:09 pm
Notquitethere has died. He was Mafia
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hector13 has died. He was an Outsider.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Deus Asmoth has come back to life.
Day 2 Begins... And ends!
In mourning for the last emperor of Brazil, the meeting is cut short and everyone disbanded once more.
Night 2 Begins
The night will end ~3-4 PM on Friday.
Post by: flabort on February 12, 2016, 05:05:53 pm
Post by: flabort on February 12, 2016, 05:39:25 pm
FallacyofUrist has died. He was Town.
Hector13 has come back to life!
The spectator kill was redirected! Then it got changed into a protection! The target was protected.
Night 2 Ends, And Day 3 Begins
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy:
FallacyofUrist:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (I):
Deus Asmoth:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, Tawarochir, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Hector13, TolyK, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Teneb, Tiruin, Ragshake
Day will end Tuesday.
Post by: Shakerag on February 12, 2016, 05:45:06 pm
Post by: flabort on February 12, 2016, 05:46:20 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 12, 2016, 05:52:58 pm
Also, Ragshake is one of Hector's roles. Good to know I guess?
Post by: hector13 on February 12, 2016, 06:16:17 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 12, 2016, 06:22:31 pm
Eat me, spectators.Scratch that; reading comprehension is hard.
Eat me, redirector.
Post by: Teneb on February 12, 2016, 06:24:04 pm
So, it looks like we have a ressurector dude. Welcome back Deus Asmoth and Hector13.DA is only reviving the next day, if I recall.
Post by: flabort on February 12, 2016, 06:40:48 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
He's alive, you numb-ass! Check the vote-count. Seriously. Ugh.So, it looks like we have a ressurector dude. Welcome back Deus Asmoth and Hector13.DA is only reviving the next day, if I recall.
Here's something fun: It's called Spin the Wheel of Idiots! You roll a random number, and I vote someone based on it! Hahahah!
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 12, 2016, 06:44:05 pm
Anyway, D1 thoughts from a dead guy:
- Two boxes are open, presumably Tolyk's kills everyone unless each box is actually a random result.
- Two post restrictions as far as I can see, nothing too severe.
- Hardly anyone actually had any interaction with NQT during D1 (He initiated interaction with TDS and 4mask, Tiruin asked him a question).
- Opening boxes with one in three chances to kill you is a poor idea.
Ragshake: 13
Post by: flabort on February 12, 2016, 06:46:53 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Ragshake: 13Tada! The wheel spins 13 times and lands on... Hector!
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 12, 2016, 07:03:00 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 12, 2016, 07:04:36 pm
Somebody bring me back.
Post by: hector13 on February 12, 2016, 07:20:36 pm
What ho. I have been slain.
Somebody bring me back.
Only if you give me back my lungs.
Also, I am sorry about Ragshake, Hector.
Aye, well. You're not the only one.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 12, 2016, 10:48:24 pm
My apologies for my non presence during the events of D1, X-Com 2 came out on Friday and I spent most of the weekend completing my first run-through. With that out of my system, I will be able to devote more time to this game.
As I understand it, we tried to lynch a claimed invincible, a mafia and the outsider that causes the nuisance player died the first night, then said outsider came back to life and a townie died the next night after the day had been skipped due to said outsider. Is this accurate?
Post by: TolyK on February 12, 2016, 11:00:34 pm
Also, I must say that I'm glad to not be the only one to be terribly annoyed. :p
Post by: TolyK on February 12, 2016, 11:21:30 pm
So... Anyone got any useful information, new roles, or and sense of what to do next?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 12, 2016, 11:55:01 pm
hector, what's your win condition?
Post by: hector13 on February 13, 2016, 12:09:54 am
You can lynch me again, but it'd trigger Pedro II again: skip a day phase, and I'd not be out the game for the cycle after that either. If you want to waste a lynch and know you're not hitting scum though, fire away bro.
We might not necessarily be getting resurrected by a player. Could be Ragshake. Might also be an auto that someone has, or any other number of things.
I'm also something of a benign third party, I don't have to kill any townies or anything like that, so - if it is a player doing it - it's not necessarily a scummy thing either. Perhaps they just have to res a particular number of players?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 13, 2016, 12:11:17 am
Post by: flabort on February 13, 2016, 12:43:58 am
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13: Ragshake
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Deus Asmoth:
Shakerag's Evil Twin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, Tawarochir, The Moonlit Shadow, The Moonlit Shadow, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Hector13, TolyK, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Teneb, Tiruin, Deus Asmoth
((Corrected a couple mistakes here))
TolyK has been gifted a Second Infraction! His powers will not function until the start of Day 4.
Post by: TolyK on February 13, 2016, 06:35:48 am
...
Hmm. I know approximately who isn't a dick. But. I'm guessing there's kinda a way around this? I can't do anything but talk (not even vote), atm, unless Flabort tells me otherwise. So... whoo?
Post by: flabort on February 13, 2016, 12:59:25 pm
Hmm. I know approximately who isn't a dick. But. I'm guessing there's kinda a way around this? I can't do anything but talk (not even vote), atm, unless Flabort tells me otherwise. So... whoo?Your powers and autos don't work. The infraction system does not cancel your ability to vote.
Post by: TolyK on February 13, 2016, 02:23:04 pm
The DF rules role is no longer alive, though, so the rules are out of play, right?
Post by: TolyK on February 13, 2016, 02:25:50 pm
Now. Everyone: Who has any information from the last two nights they would like to make public?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 13, 2016, 03:39:50 pm
A Tumbling Tumbleweed is a town-ally and the third third-party (the first two are hector and ragshake, as outsiders)
There are two remaining mafia, after NQT's death.
There is one cult member, which has weirdly not changed since D1, so either they can't convert or they haven't yet.
All other players are town.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 13, 2016, 05:04:22 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 13, 2016, 07:11:10 pm
Post by: Teneb on February 13, 2016, 07:56:48 pm
Either way, I'm pretty sure we have anti-Town players other than the mafia, because I doubt someone would be going after me that hard if they were town + I can technically talk with the mafia (NQT flipped, so I know at least one :p).As Hector pointed out, there is no reason for town to believe you are town. They could think you are scum or another third party (since both the infraction-gift and your post were before 4maskwolf gave us the numbers (I am inclined to believe them).
Now. Everyone: Who has any information from the last two nights they would like to make public?
Care to give us details on how you can converse with the scum?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 13, 2016, 08:16:12 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 13, 2016, 11:48:21 pm
How did you find all this out?How do you think, Webby? I have a role that tells me this. Every phase I get a list of all alignments in the game.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 14, 2016, 12:05:44 am
Post by: flabort on February 14, 2016, 12:34:32 am
Quote from: Ragshake
InB4 that very statement reads as a lie. :P
Post by: hector13 on February 14, 2016, 02:19:06 am
How did you find all this out?How do you think, Webby? I have a role that tells me this. Every phase I get a list of all alignments in the game.
4mask Does that role take into account disguises or other alignment concealing things like that?
Does it have Ragshake's alignment?
Byraway, 'cause just so I don't forget, one of the roles I submitted was the word "Machiavellian" so... Could be an awful thing for us, could be good, depending on quite how Machiavellian flabort decided to be.
Also Teneb, what makes you believe 4mask's numbers? Just because they make sense?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 14, 2016, 02:21:12 am
Unknown, but as it does not say it does it is likely it does not. Ragshake's alignment is an educated guess from the wincon for Ragshake given in your own role. Tumbling Tumbleweed I know because I also have an inspect. Machiavellian is the role that means everything I say looks like lies, fyi.How did you find all this out?How do you think, Webby? I have a role that tells me this. Every phase I get a list of all alignments in the game.
4mask Does that role take into account disguises or other alignment concealing things like that?
Does it have Ragshake's alignment?
Byraway, 'cause just so I don't forget, one of the roles I submitted was the word "Machiavellian" so... Could be an awful thing for us, could be good, depending on quite how Machiavellian flabort decided to be.
Post by: TolyK on February 14, 2016, 06:03:20 am
Why do you think someone who is not town is the one giving you the infractions, Tolyk?
True... It's possible for a town actor to want to lock me out of using my claimed masskill, as a sustained roleblock, but the way it's escalating it's looking like someone just wants me modkilled. I have 3 (!) of the same roles that block my other roles, as well as 2 infractions, so I can't do anything at all, except vote and die.Either way, I'm pretty sure we have anti-Town players other than the mafia, because I doubt someone would be going after me that hard if they were town + I can technically talk with the mafia (NQT flipped, so I know at least one :p).As Hector pointed out, there is no reason for town to believe you are town. They could think you are scum or another third party (since both the infraction-gift and your post were before 4maskwolf gave us the numbers (I am inclined to believe them).
Now. Everyone: Who has any information from the last two nights they would like to make public?
Care to give us details on how you can converse with the scum?
I can talk with NQT, since I've made a topic between him and me, though the mafia is obviously reluctant to tell me much at all (I don't blame them :P).
TBH, at this point, I feel nearly useless for the next 4 phases. Good job, whoever did that. ::)
PPE: Though I suppose it could be someone's role initially that they passed to me to actually win themselves, but they could've just let me pass them on to the dead person with the role. I hope everyone knows you can target dead people, right?
Post by: TolyK on February 14, 2016, 06:07:27 am
I have some information to share, as point of fact.Aha, so cult leader, by your words. Don't be surprised if I end up as a cult member as well (though I have... tricks up my sleeve... if I get to use them :-\), if this crap is a slowed conversion.
A Tumbling Tumbleweed is a town-ally and the third third-party (the first two are hector and ragshake, as outsiders)
There are two remaining mafia, after NQT's death.
There is one cult member, which has weirdly not changed since D1, so either they can't convert or they haven't yet.
All other players are town.
Inspections on me turn into a random alignment, so this could also be the case, however someone (TDS, right?) claimed an "accurate inspection for everyone" role.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 14, 2016, 08:25:33 am
(TDS, right?) claimed an "accurate inspection for everyone" role.
No, it just forces roleflips to be accurate.
Post by: Teneb on February 14, 2016, 09:31:36 am
Also Teneb, what makes you believe 4mask's numbers? Just because they make sense?The numbers match the number of players we have, and make sense from a balance standpoint. Of course this doesn't mean I think 4maskwolf is immediately town for this information, but I am inclined to believe the information.
I hope everyone knows you can target dead people, right?Can we? I see nothing in the rules, though I've already proven my ability to overlook things at the start of this Day.
Post by: TolyK on February 14, 2016, 09:59:40 am
You can even give away or steal roles from dead people.
Also Teneb, what makes you believe 4mask's numbers? Just because they make sense?The numbers match the number of players we have, and make sense from a balance standpoint. Of course this doesn't mean I think 4maskwolf is immediately town for this information, but I am inclined to believe the information.
All other players are town.:P
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 14, 2016, 03:50:58 pm
My general ability to know the alignment list is not an inspection, however. As far as I can tell from the ability's description, inspection fuckery will not affect my ability to determine the truth.I have some information to share, as point of fact.Aha, so cult leader, by your words. Don't be surprised if I end up as a cult member as well (though I have... tricks up my sleeve... if I get to use them :-\), if this crap is a slowed conversion.
A Tumbling Tumbleweed is a town-ally and the third third-party (the first two are hector and ragshake, as outsiders)
There are two remaining mafia, after NQT's death.
There is one cult member, which has weirdly not changed since D1, so either they can't convert or they haven't yet.
All other players are town.
Inspections on me turn into a random alignment, so this could also be the case, however someone (TDS, right?) claimed an "accurate inspection for everyone" role.
Post by: Shakerag on February 15, 2016, 12:14:26 am
Also, you all can feel free to take tomorrow off; it's my birthday. At the very least, I'm taking it off.
Also also, I now meet the minimum legal requirements to be the president of the US. Vote Shakerag in 2020!
Post by: Shakerag on February 15, 2016, 12:27:21 am
I <3 you, Ragshake. Also, the random number I ended up rolling was Graham's number. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number)Quote from: RagshakeHe's alive, you numb-ass! Check the vote-count. Seriously. Ugh.So, it looks like we have a ressurector dude. Welcome back Deus Asmoth and Hector13.DA is only reviving the next day, if I recall.
Here's something fun: It's called Spin the Wheel of Idiots! You roll a random number, and I vote someone based on it! Hahahah!
TolyK:
Either way, I'm pretty sure we have anti-Town players other than the mafia, because I doubt someone would be going after me that hard if they were town + I can technically talk with the mafia (NQT flipped, so I know at least one :p).I have information that I would like to make public ... possibly. I performed both a watch and a track on N1 and N2. Obviously, I can use this information to fact-check some other players' stories. For now, I will confirm that 4mask visited the tumbleweed N2.
Now. Everyone: Who has any information from the last two nights they would like to make public?
Totes.Quote from: RagshakeInB4 that very statement reads as a lie. :P
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 15, 2016, 01:08:34 am
Post by: flabort on February 15, 2016, 01:18:16 am
Quote from: Rashake
The wheel keeps spinning and spinning... Wow. Guess I'll have to use my other day ability and vote all the idiots.I <3 you, Ragshake. Also, the random number I ended up rolling was Graham's number. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number)Quote from: RagshakeHe's alive, you numb-ass! Check the vote-count. Seriously. Ugh.So, it looks like we have a ressurector dude. Welcome back Deus Asmoth and Hector13.DA is only reviving the next day, if I recall.
Here's something fun: It's called Spin the Wheel of Idiots! You roll a random number, and I vote someone based on it! Hahahah!
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 15, 2016, 01:28:03 am
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 03:41:01 am
Currently voting for TDS cuz why not he ain't gonna die.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 15, 2016, 06:51:37 am
Time to ask for a votecount, I guess. :3
Currently voting for TDS cuz why not he ain't gonna die.
But isn't this a waste of a lynch?
Post by: Teneb on February 15, 2016, 06:52:44 am
Currently voting for TDS cuz why not he ain't gonna die.So you are willing to throw away your vote? That's some top-notch town play, TolyK.
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 06:57:47 am
First off, I'm not even sure I *have* a vote at this point. This is to test that + see if Ragshake reacts. TDS is currently the safest vote, specifically because he wouldn't die.
However,
your willingness to lynch me from *that* post is quite concerning, to be at least.Currently voting for TDS cuz why not he ain't gonna die.So you are willing to throw away your vote? That's some top-notch town play, TolyK.
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 11:06:37 am
- I'm making sure I can actually vote and it shows up in the count
- I want to see if Ragshake does anything based on votes.
There's also this thing... who to vote for, then? Myself? :p (This line is not serious at all. I'm not actually asking who to vote for, just noting that we have barely any information on alignments and factions).
Let me remind you:
We still have no votecount. Nobody knows what happened, yet, so voting for someone who can't die stops some shenanigans from occurring. You folks also realize we have a chat between TDS, DA and me, right? And NQT, in a different one, as talk with the mafia. I'd prefer that nothing shocking happens while trying to piece stuff together (I haven't revealed some info from both chats, mostly because I suspect my blocker to be not very nice).Quote from: RashakeGuess I'll have to use my other day ability and vote all the idiots.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 15, 2016, 11:39:59 am
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 12:32:32 pm
I've been trying to go for an everyone-wins thing, but I have the town wincon.
Post by: Teneb on February 15, 2016, 12:34:16 pm
Post by: flabort on February 15, 2016, 12:38:20 pm
We still have no votecount.In a minute.
Post by: flabort on February 15, 2016, 12:49:23 pm
Oragamiscienceguy: (Ragshake)
Tawarochir: (Ragshake)
TheDarkStar: TolyK, Ragshake
Hector13: (Ragshake)
The Moonlit Shadow: (Ragshake)
Tiruin: (Ragshake)
4maskwolf: (Ragshake)
Shakerag: (Ragshake)
Teneb: (Ragshake)
TolyK (II): Teneb, The Moonlit Shadow, Ragshake, Ragshake
Deus Asmoth: (Ragshake)
Shakerag's Evil Twin: (Ragshake)
A Tumbling Tumbleweed: (Ragshake)
Not voting: TheDarkStar, Tawarochir, The Moonlit Shadow, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Hector13, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Tiruin, Deus Asmoth
Post by: hector13 on February 15, 2016, 12:54:16 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 15, 2016, 12:56:55 pm
So... what are the grey ones in parentheses, flabsy?Going out on a limb here, I'd say they Ragshake's ability allows him to place a vote on everyone, but that vote doesn't take affect unless that person already has another vote on them. Notice how the two people where Ragshake's vote is not greyed out are TDS and TolyK, who are the only two players with other votes on them.
Post by: hector13 on February 15, 2016, 01:00:04 pm
Shakerag's Evil Twin, Ragshake
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 15, 2016, 01:01:05 pm
Well, there's one way to test that...origamiscienceguy
Shakerag's Evil Twin, Ragshake
Votecount request
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 01:14:18 pm
TolyK: Did you set up your private chat with NQT before or after his death?After. If you remember, I had asked to be contacted by them, but they didn't, so I called him instead. :P
That's actually an interesting idea.
Shakerag's Evil Twin, Shakerag, if you may.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 15, 2016, 01:17:45 pm
Alright, what I see from information so far:
- 3+ people have boxes of Orden.
- We have an everyone-wins scenario, but not on the first day. It probably involves TDS killing himself.
- Shakerag's twin probably steals roles.
- We have a mafia, no SK (by the looks of it), and possibly a cult. At least based on "no double teams", which could be broken here.
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 01:48:33 pm
2nd point is derived from the fact that this is a bastard game, and usually they work that way. Given my role this is not an unlikely possibility, since I can help with coordination.
3rd point ended up not being true, as far as I (and the public) know.
Ah, the 4th point.
I have a direct reference to the mafia in my role, which is why I knew there was indeed a mafia team.
The "No SK" was because it's unlikely there would be 2 serial killers, and my role references turning a person into a serial killer.
The "possibly cult" was derived from there being not enough anti-town roles in a bastard game. I have nothing referencing a cult specifically, but it was an educated guess. (Actually, I could potentially be inspected as Cult, SK, Mafia, Outsider, Town, etc. as a "random alignment", but that's from a question to Flabort, not in my role itself.)
Hey, I have an idea. Since none of my abilities work, inspecting me should lead to a correct result. Plus, I could set aside a post to truth-check, detailing much (but not all) of what I know.
Post by: flabort on February 15, 2016, 01:56:51 pm
Oragamiscienceguy: 4maskwolf, Ragshake
Tawarochir: (Ragshake)
TheDarkStar: TolyK, Ragshake
Hector13: (Ragshake)
The Moonlit Shadow: (Ragshake)
Tiruin: (Ragshake)
4maskwolf: (Ragshake)
Shakerag: (Ragshake)
Teneb: (Ragshake)
TolyK (II): Teneb, The Moonlit Shadow, Ragshake, Ragshake
Deus Asmoth: (Ragshake)
Shakerag's Evil Twin: Hector13, Ragshake
A Tumbling Tumbleweed: (Ragshake)
Not voting: TheDarkStar, Tawarochir, The Moonlit Shadow, Shakerag, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Tiruin, Deus Asmoth
Er... is that Shakerag or Ragshake?TolyK: Did you set up your private chat with NQT before or after his death?After. If you remember, I had asked to be contacted by them, but they didn't, so I called him instead. :P
That's actually an interesting idea.
Shakerag's Evil Twin, Shakerag, if you may.
Quote from: Ragshake
Heh. You think you're clever. RagVote is much more than just duplicating votes.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 15, 2016, 01:58:48 pm
Quote from: RagshakeHeh. You think you're clever. RagVote is much more than just duplicating votes.
Shakerag's Evil Twin, Ragshake
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 15, 2016, 02:08:02 pm
Ragshake x3
Post by: hector13 on February 15, 2016, 02:10:15 pm
Perhaps there's a connection between the two NPCs?
I'd also rather you guys didn't kill him. Flabsy confirmed there is a way to get him out the game, I just don't know what that is. I can stop Ragshake using powers with one of my abilities, and also stop him voting, though that might be a bit late...
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 15, 2016, 02:24:57 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 02:39:51 pm
Post by: Teneb on February 15, 2016, 04:44:53 pm
Why would you even want to set up a chat with a known mafia?TolyK: Did you set up your private chat with NQT before or after his death?After. If you remember, I had asked to be contacted by them, but they didn't, so I called him instead. :P
Anyway, Ragshake. This should be interesting.
Post by: TolyK on February 15, 2016, 04:48:13 pm
To be able to ask for some information that the mafia members are willing to give up, but not to everyone/not publicly. Depending on how Ragshake-lynching goes (and if I don't die...) I might have a plan for D4/D5.Why would you even want to set up a chat with a known mafia?TolyK: Did you set up your private chat with NQT before or after his death?After. If you remember, I had asked to be contacted by them, but they didn't, so I called him instead. :P
Post by: Tawa on February 15, 2016, 05:21:13 pm
RagshakeWas Here
Sorry I haven't bee been a bit occupied. If I'm still alive tomorrow I'll post my oo far. :v
Post by: Tawa on February 15, 2016, 08:59:15 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 15, 2016, 09:21:59 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 15, 2016, 09:41:50 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 15, 2016, 09:48:39 pm
I also don't really want to be lynching Ragshake, for (hopefully obvious) selfish reasons. Perhaps we can lynch Tumbleweed instead? Or maybe we need to kill them both at the same time to get rid of them...
Anyway, I'll stop Raggy shaking things up for the rest of the day.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 15, 2016, 10:14:44 pm
Post by: flabort on February 15, 2016, 10:21:28 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Hey! Not fair. Just because I tap into my inner asshole to write for you doesn't mean I'm crazy!It's not me.Oh, but you should. It's so much fun. :P
I urge you. Take your revenge out on me. JOIN THE DARK SIDE! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAH!Anyway, I'll stop Raggy shaking things up for the rest of the day.And how will you do that? Blocking me? I've already USED my actions, you're TOO LATE! Eheheh.
Oh; I don't have to spread my votes evenly, I just said "all the idiots" and that's how flabort spread them, BTW. RagVote just gives me a vote for each vote already placed; I think the grey was because he was confused. Honestly, he's in a totally separate state of mind between NPC actions and processing actual actions; someone should check him into a shrink.
I take it that's not exactly how you wanted your votes placed, then. Fine. I'm leaving them as is and putting any extras into the not voting column, you fine with that?
Quote from: Ragshake
*sticks out tongue*Jerk.
Anyways...
Votecount
Oragamiscienceguy: 4maskwolf, Ragshake
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar: Ragshake
Hector13:
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II): The Moonlit Shadow, Ragshake, Ragshake
Deus Asmoth:
Shakerag's Evil Twin: Hector13, Tawarochir, Teneb, TheDarkStar, TolyK, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, Ragshake
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Ragshake, Ragshake, The Moonlit Shadow, Shakerag, Ragshake, Tiruin, Deus Asmoth
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 10:33:51 pm
THIS is important because it made me mess up in D1! I was the one who Solid Snake'd TDS >_> (I misread my ability and thought it 'adds a vote' instead of what happened back there).
Since I'm claiming it and someone sent in that role anyway, it's continued below.
Alright, so here're some claims I've to forward--I've that Solid Snake role which I used D1/N2. I got blocked N2 because somebody threw a crowbar at me :V and stuck me in the closet (har har, I'm in the closet. AGAIN[/OOC] ;V)
I'm also busy reading up all the what the fish happened here because BUSY.
On my reads list because raisins, everyone is nominally gray. TolyK is of significant mention because I thought he was town; I used a TRACK on him yesternight but then crowbar happened. Hilariously, I misread that one TOO >_> [In which it reads my TARGET is notified of everyone visiting them, including MEE. Point was, at that time in my character-state, I felt he was town-ish.]
> TMS is on it for blatant voting and very contrarian-ish moves (though mixed with very reasonable ones); countered because he's a NEWBIE :I [And bastard games do no good for newbies -_-]
> TDS is silly with his 'no u no kill/lynch me'. But being very blatant. He's an anchor for me to check everyone else :v [But SOMEHOW the standard deviation of more than 3 people [which I presume is the Mafia; backed up by Mr. 4maskwolf {who is notorious for making roles that are on the extremes so I do believe his claims as of now-ish} because he's saying there are 3 Mafia :v]
> Stuff's goin' down because I really want to ensure what TolyK will be by killing his face. There's somewhat of a reviver anyway (notme) so eh. And that reviver seems to be playing the middleman by resurrecting everyone-not-mafia. TolyK, I'd like you to tell us all why you're contacting the Mafia and why you're being very open about it...when context provides that you're pretty much speaking about everything-but-nope (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6811987#msg6811987). <_< {I may be personally biased because of this attitude}, but dude, I really think you've an ulterior motive. The Mafia is 2+ people! [Presuming mostly a "3"]; it's half of the phone-line-conversation you're doing there. Why did you claim out firsthand that you've a 'power to chat with them' and then leave it hanging there? [as far as skim goes, you didn't expound it--I asked a question about it before]
- Personal notes tag TOlyK as probable people [revivers] doing so. Will updoot later.
> Have other notes here on Teneb (Hiii Deathsword), Deus Asmoth, and Tawarochir
> My N1 action KILLED THE TUMBLEWEED for some reason, even if it was NOT a kill-action. [It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]
> Shakerag is being silly and not-really-that-much-scumhunting? [OOC: Yes you're adorable :P]
This game needs more than this. -_- Side commentary helps nobody unless [ulterior motives//isolated-town-playstyle]Eat me, spectators.Scratch that; reading comprehension is hard.
Eat me, redirector.
Looking at the bloody votes, why is everyone voting Ragshake?
Maybe y'all are being new :v Or maybe I missed something.
But as a veteran Mafia playerr [wheeee dropping credentials -.-] speaking out of anecdotal evidence:
> NPC/Non-Player Roles or players are directly connected to player's roles. They cannot exist by themselves. As far as I know. But (personal/experiential) reasoning dictates that kind of existence of added NPCs.3
Gonna shotgun post here because my eyes are skimming every page and I'm tired but don't want to get an infraction for 'not being present'. (Though I do figure that 'lurker infraction' means 'not present for a whole cycle', irrelevant of IRL days) <_<
Spoiler: To Flabort (click to show/hide)
No, I'm alive now. What is dead may never die and all that. We can probably rule out NQT's role being the resurrecting one, at least. I doubt there's a role that specifically needs me and hector dead to win.Since you're alive, can you
Anyway, D1 thoughts from a dead guy:
- Two boxes are open, presumably Tolyk's kills everyone unless each box is actually a random result.
- Two post restrictions as far as I can see, nothing too severe.
- Hardly anyone actually had any interaction with NQT during D1 (He initiated interaction with TDS and 4mask, Tiruin asked him a question).
- Opening boxes with one in three chances to kill you is a poor idea.
Ragshake: 13
Also the same point on NQT can be applied to many people here (good show on pointing that out though). Also what post restrictions and who?
I am a happily paranoid girl :vWhat ho. I have been slain.
Somebody bring me back.
Only if you give me back my lungs.
And I currently lack the efficiency of wording to ask a query, so here it is blunt and inefficient.
Are you a bloody Organ Harvester-type? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119678.msg3958427;topicseen#msg3958427)
4maskwolf: You're calling out Webadict because it's something important to your roles, am I mistaken? :v [Seriously miss that dude, RL's been hitting him hard...]
Flabort: Other than the query in the spoiler for you, can I ask you to ask Mephansteras why he has no picture/avatar? :O
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 10:38:07 pm
Spoiler: Which as far as I know, can't be redacted -.- (click to show/hide)
Sorry for the silliness. This is my way of coping with stress of RL and busyness. And not intentionally as a smokescreen, post restriction, or whatever.
Post by: flabort on February 15, 2016, 10:40:10 pm
Re: Spoiler: Shakerag's Evil TwinFlabort: Other than the query in the spoiler for you, can I ask you to ask Mephansteras why he has no picture/avatar? :OSpoiler: To Flabort (click to show/hide)
Re: Bold: You can ask me, but I don't feel inclined to do it unless I'm going to PM him for something else (like if someone needs some posts edited by powers).
Event!
TolyK is suddenly shot. Nobody saw the attacker, but luckily TolyK just fainted and fell over. (Ability to vote lost, ability for actions (still) gone).
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 15, 2016, 10:41:51 pm
Is Flabort asking Meph to edit posts? Or is he asking Tawochir to edit it?Post says that Meph edited the post.
I tried to inspect him with the "Guess Who?" role, and I wasn't able to, though I can confirm 4mask's revelation that Tumbleweed is a Town-Ally, as that's the result I got instead.Relevant to this, does anyone have any way of disabling NQT's resurrection ability? It's impossible for us to win unless we can deal with that.
Perhaps there's a connection between the two NPCs?
I'd also rather you guys didn't kill him. Flabsy confirmed there is a way to get him out the game, I just don't know what that is. I can stop Ragshake using powers with one of my abilities, and also stop him voting, though that might be a bit late...
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 10:44:19 pm
Event!...So is there a role that blocks roleflips or is someone protecting TolyK. :v
TolyK is suddenly shot. Nobody saw the attacker, but luckily TolyK just fainted and fell over. (Ability to vote lost, ability for actions (still) gone).
Because I'm bloody sure that's what's happening now.
Tiruin, that didn't feel very nuke-yI know right? :V
But what the fish. It seems like NPCs are not considered players I guess. Given the wording of the ability I just used.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 15, 2016, 10:55:12 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 10:57:22 pm
Where did NQT say he had a Resurrection ability?*rereads* Where did you get that idea? :v
Also it seems nobody is even scumhunting anymore -_- I should've changed my role to 'the role that forces everyone to scumhunt and not rely on their darn roles to play the game'. Grumble grumble.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 15, 2016, 11:03:57 pm
Notquitethere has died. He was Mafia
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 11:06:35 pm
...Yes. Either my reading comprehension is broken, or I can't read this right to connect it to:Notquitethere has died. He was Mafia
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
Where did NQT say he had a Resurrection ability?That doesn't read as a resurrection ability to me. (especially because the bit there is confusing wording <_>).
Or it's apostrophes in the way?
Post by: Tiruin on February 15, 2016, 11:11:15 pm
I wonder...So... what are the grey ones in parentheses, flabsy?Going out on a limb here, I'd say they Ragshake's ability allows him to place a vote on everyone, but that vote doesn't take affect unless that person already has another vote on them. Notice how the two people where Ragshake's vote is not greyed out are TDS and TolyK, who are the only two players with other votes on them.
Don't call me Webadict.
4mask (woo, my rare blue 'votes' shine)
Why're you adding to speculation onto an NPC? What do you think about the NPCs present that I believe you have detailed in mention earlier and what is your current goal as of today: Figuring out the NPCs, or Figuring out the players?
Post by: hector13 on February 15, 2016, 11:20:38 pm
Why haven't you stopped him earlie?
Been busy today, was using my phone earlier and I don't particularly like trying to trim quotes (I do that so flabsy doesn't have to trawl through either the 80 roles he created or the player list to find me and my abilities) so... I did it later than I really wanted. I'm full of sushi though, so if you have a problem with that, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
I am a happily paranoid girl :vWhat ho. I have been slain.
Somebody bring me back.
Only if you give me back my lungs.
And I currently lack the efficiency of wording to ask a query, so here it is blunt and inefficient.
Are you a bloody Organ Harvester-type? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119678.msg3958427;topicseen#msg3958427)
My role was posted earlier, when I died (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520). Can't remember if it included the death flavour I was PM'd (PPE: no it didn't) but I was told I woke up without lungs, and I thought FoU might have done it seeing as I always seem to think he sees me as a threat. /narcissus
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 16, 2016, 12:05:03 am
Because it costs me nothing to state what I had assumed when I read the votecount? Am I not allowed to take any amount of time away from reading the players? Plus, these styles of games aren't won by finding the scum per-se, in my experience, so the day phase becomes less important. And yes, I did mention what the NPC's alignments are: that doesn't mean I can't comment on what I think of their role powers.I wonder...So... what are the grey ones in parentheses, flabsy?Going out on a limb here, I'd say they Ragshake's ability allows him to place a vote on everyone, but that vote doesn't take affect unless that person already has another vote on them. Notice how the two people where Ragshake's vote is not greyed out are TDS and TolyK, who are the only two players with other votes on them.
Don't call me Webadict.
4mask (woo, my rare blue 'votes' shine)
Why're you adding to speculation onto an NPC? What do you think about the NPCs present that I believe you have detailed in mention earlier and what is your current goal as of today: Figuring out the NPCs, or Figuring out the players?
Geez Wuba.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 16, 2016, 12:07:08 am
Essentially, the ability resurrects a person that is dead who would prevent the victory of a faction if they are alive. So if the town is about to win, NQT will be resurrected as he's the first dead mafia....Yes. Either my reading comprehension is broken, or I can't read this right to connect it to:Notquitethere has died. He was Mafia
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.Where did NQT say he had a Resurrection ability?That doesn't read as a resurrection ability to me. (especially because the bit there is confusing wording <_>).
Or it's apostrophes in the way?
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 02:19:12 am
If I was actually shot, then I have no idea why I'm alive - I really should be dead by now. I have an auto that protects me, but it shouldn't be working by now.
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2016, 05:25:21 am
Well, that's a lot to happen in one night.I did that to get your alignment-flip >_> (I mean, the people whose roles DO control the flips are back and revivified). [And rather 'your', but more 'people who are leading being voted' :V)
If I was actually shot, then I have no idea why I'm alive - I really should be dead by now. I have an auto that protects me, but it shouldn't be working by now.
Also why are you being so blatant -.- It's not something I'm arguing or going against, but...it's messy with my notes, fluctuating you between scum and town :v
Just like every other game. Bluh.
...Maybe this is a bastard mod with revivers once again. In which I am reminded of this nice feat here but am reluctant to link it (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125287.0) (because I messed up in that game :V).
...
...
Flabort: Where is FallacyOfUrist's Roleflip? I flopped to the OP and flopped back into the game in order to write this next paragraph which went "Well we're back to square 1, sans NQT and *checks OP* FallacyOfUrist; we know a bit more about people's ROLEs and ABILITIES but a ton less on scumhunting--and the goings of people now are revolving around abilities and who did wut and "oh you prevent me from winning? Have a vote good sir." which gets answered by "Quite. I shall continue in vague." rather than 'scumhunting'" <_>
Essentially, the ability resurrects a person that is dead who would prevent the victory of a faction if they are alive. So if the town is about to win, NQT will be resurrected as he's the first dead mafia....So the only way to win is to have a role which wipes either Autos, or wipes abilities.
Maaaaaan is this feeling like another round of 'Mafia/Town (shouldn't really fight) VERSUS Cult [or whatever]'.
It's like that one game...TolyK and Urist Imiknorris. I remember that one but am forgetting which one <_<
Metaknowledge, hooooo~
I'm tired guys. Thanks for keeping up with my silliness interspaced with my content. I also miss Toaster.
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 06:19:44 am
Ragshake has post editing powers, I'm reasonably sure.So, uh. Why didn't you stop him earlier, and why do you refer to lynching Tumblewee even though we know he revives? That's bad, based on what everyone's telling me about my vote on TDS. :P
I also don't really want to be lynching Ragshake, for (hopefully obvious) selfish reasons. Perhaps we can lynch Tumbleweed instead? Or maybe we need to kill them both at the same time to get rid of them...
Anyway, I'll stop Raggy shaking things up for the rest of the day.
Tiruin:
THIS is important because it made me mess up in D1! I was the one who Solid Snake'd TDS >_> (I misread my ability and thought it 'adds a vote' instead of what happened back there).Wait, so you have Solid Snake vote manipulation thingie. Then blocked N2, when trying to use a different aspect of the role (as stated below, tracking me). Correct?
Since I'm claiming it and someone sent in that role anyway, it's continued below.
Alright, so here're some claims I've to forward--I've that Solid Snake role which I used D1/N2. I got blocked N2 because somebody threw a crowbar at me :V and stuck me in the closet (har har, I'm in the closet. AGAIN[/OOC] ;V)
Quote from: Tiruin
On my reads list because raisins, everyone is nominally gray. TolyK is of significant mention because I thought he was town; I used a TRACK on him yesternight but then crowbar happened. Hilariously, I misread that one TOO >_> [In which it reads my TARGET is notified of everyone visiting them, including MEE. Point was, at that time in my character-state, I felt he was town-ish.]I wish that would've gone through, actually; that way I would know who is a blocking sonovabitch. :P
Quote from: Tiruin
> Stuff's goin' down because I really want to ensure what TolyK will be by killing his face. There's somewhat of a reviver anyway (notme) so eh. And that reviver seems to be playing the middleman by resurrecting everyone-not-mafia. TolyK, I'd like you to tell us all why you're contacting the Mafia and why you're being very open about it...when context provides that you're pretty much speaking about everything-but-nope (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6811987#msg6811987). <_< {I may be personally biased because of this attitude}, but dude, I really think you've an ulterior motive. The Mafia is 2+ people! [Presuming mostly a "3"]; it's half of the phone-line-conversation you're doing there. Why did you claim out firsthand that you've a 'power to chat with them' and then leave it hanging there? [as far as skim goes, you didn't expound it--I asked a question about it before]So, you want to know what's going on by trying to kill me. That seems reasonable. :D But your kill failed, so huh.
The reason I'm not telling everything is mostly trust: if I tell everything that's going on in there, some info that would be useful would not be given, most likely. Plus, it's not like you can silence me - I can still talk to people in quicktopics even when dead. ;)
Quote from: Tiruin
> My N1 action KILLED THE TUMBLEWEED for some reason, even if it was NOT a kill-action. [It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]Who were you trying to investigate?
Wait, wat. People are all suddenly voting an NPC? Please recall votes and put them on a person--I have already sent in a PM to Flabort that is the equivalent of pressing the Big Red Nuclear Launch Button.Spoiler: Which as far as I know, can't be redacted -.- (click to show/hide)
Sorry for the silliness. This is my way of coping with stress of RL and busyness. And not intentionally as a smokescreen, post restriction, or whatever.
So, you tried to nuke the NPC's too? Like a multi-kill or something? :PEvent!...So is there a role that blocks roleflips or is someone protecting TolyK. :v
TolyK is suddenly shot. Nobody saw the attacker, but luckily TolyK just fainted and fell over. (Ability to vote lost, ability for actions (still) gone).
Because I'm bloody sure that's what's happening now.Tiruin, that didn't feel very nuke-yI know right? :V
But what the fish. It seems like NPCs are not considered players I guess. Given the wording of the ability I just used.
I'm still alive, if anything.
Maaaaaan is this feeling like another round of 'Mafia/Town (shouldn't really fight) VERSUS Cult [or whatever]'.UI and I won BYOCards, where we were mafia.
It's like that one game...TolyK and Urist Imiknorris. I remember that one but am forgetting which one <_<
Metaknowledge, hooooo~
I think you mean Magic Mafia, where Toaster and I were town, but then he was converted to the Mafia by Vector and we decided to win with the mafia? :P (AND I was town poisoner, which you wouldn't believe :D). Good times.
<3Well, that's a lot to happen in one night.I did that to get your alignment-flip >_> (I mean, the people whose roles DO control the flips are back and revivified). [And rather 'your', but more 'people who are leading being voted' :V)
If I was actually shot, then I have no idea why I'm alive - I really should be dead by now. I have an auto that protects me, but it shouldn't be working by now.
Also why are you being so blatant -.- It's not something I'm arguing or going against, but...it's messy with my notes, fluctuating you between scum and town :v
Just like every other game. Bluh.
I'm not being blatant, though, unless you mean explicit in saying a lot? :P
Quote from: Tiruin
Or have everyone win? :3Essentially, the ability resurrects a person that is dead who would prevent the victory of a faction if they are alive. So if the town is about to win, NQT will be resurrected as he's the first dead mafia....So the only way to win is to have a role which wipes either Autos, or wipes abilities.
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2016, 06:49:50 am
Wait, so you have Solid Snake vote manipulation thingie. Then blocked N2, when trying to use a different aspect of the role (as stated below, tracking me). Correct?Wat o_o That's not a vote manipulation role. It's a vote-vote-ing role.
The second aspect is me sending to the other person a track list of everyone visiting them. Re-re-re-re-re-reading it tells me that it's as if you get the info on being tracked (and I don't, which I'm ok about in a good re-read of the thread and knowing TolyK more). [This also pertains to removing infractions anyway since it's a kill! But I've no idea anymore since you're fainted.]
And yes I got blocked and shoved back in the closet. Pun intended. >_> *COUGH*
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I wish that would've gone through, actually; that way I would know who is a blocking sonovabitch. :PRoleblocks before tracks (I'm assuming it's Track anyway :v)
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So, you want to know what's going on by trying to kill me. That seems reasonable. :D But your kill failed, so huh.Uhh...no.
The reason I'm not telling everything is mostly trust: if I tell everything that's going on in there, some info that would be useful would not be given, most likely. Plus, it's not like you can silence me - I can still talk to people in quicktopics even when dead. ;)
I know what's going on by trying to kill you == I'm killing you to check alignment :v I thought that would work anyway given the state of affairs and looking at what happened in the past days, this also included tossing the mental dice that 'hey, maybe TolyK is non-scum; hey, maybe the reviver is non-scum'. Stuff like that.
Also I think Flabort needs to be the one telling us this instead of your assurance.
Flabort: What're the rules regarding dead people? What're the rules regarding dead people and quicktopics? Will the bastard-y nature of this game ever change those rules? Is there a deadchat?
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Who were you trying to investigate?If questions like these were issued to everyone else, we'd have a more prolific of a game here!
I tried to ~!investigate FallacyOfUrist [N1]. This however got somehow redirected to a tumbleweed. Or I say 'redirected', but when I visited him, I saw the tumbleweed instead. Then it somehow died despite my action having no flavor or description of any lethality.
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So, you tried to nuke the NPC's too? Like a multi-kill or something? :PI so wish that were true >_> But seriously: THESE NPCs are ATTACHED TO PEOPLE's ROLES.
I'm still alive, if anything.
Usually when you :P around, that means you've a nice schemata in place.
Hello TolyK's planning mind. Howdy today?
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UI and I won BYOCards, where we were mafia.Oh o_O I was remembering the first one here. Please linkie because I'm too tired tot hink now.
I think you mean Magic Mafia, where Toaster and I were town, but then he was converted to the Mafia by Vector and we decided to win with the mafia? :P (AND I was town poisoner, which you wouldn't believe :D). Good times.
Because exams.
And IRL closet.
Tiruin activates uselessly OOC vague stuff that doesn't even matter in game- stuff.
Woo >_>
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<3...No? If your content was significant of mention, you'd be pretty much being critical and coherent. The TolyK I'm poking right now is like a harlequin--dancing with cheery :P'ness because of ulterior motives indistinct to my eyes.
I'm not being blatant, though, unless you mean explicit in saying a lot? :P
And the most hilarious bit is that I don't even see you firmly as scum with that attitude. -.- (hilarious as an intensifier to "What is TolyK even doing, playing lone wolf? >_>", not as a literal term)
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 08:05:04 am
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Inb4 it turns out I'm an actually unkillable SK who wins by default. :P (<<< THIS IS A JOKE)Quote<3...No? If your content was significant of mention, you'd be pretty much being critical and coherent. The TolyK I'm poking right now is like a harlequin--dancing with cheery :P'ness because of ulterior motives indistinct to my eyes.
I'm not being blatant, though, unless you mean explicit in saying a lot? :P
And the most hilarious bit is that I don't even see you firmly as scum with that attitude. -.- (hilarious as an intensifier to "What is TolyK even doing, playing lone wolf? >_>", not as a literal term)
Well, alright, but others that can confirm that dead men can tell tales are TDS and DA. Take of that what you will. ;)Wait, so you have Solid Snake vote manipulation thingie. Then blocked N2, when trying to use a different aspect of the role (as stated below, tracking me). Correct?Wat o_o That's not a vote manipulation role. It's a vote-vote-ing role.
The second aspect is me sending to the other person a track list of everyone visiting them. Re-re-re-re-re-reading it tells me that it's as if you get the info on being tracked (and I don't, which I'm ok about in a good re-read of the thread and knowing TolyK more). [This also pertains to removing infractions anyway since it's a kill! But I've no idea anymore since you're fainted.]
And yes I got blocked and shoved back in the closet. Pun intended. >_> *COUGH*QuoteI wish that would've gone through, actually; that way I would know who is a blocking sonovabitch. :PRoleblocks before tracks (I'm assuming it's Track anyway :v)QuoteSo, you want to know what's going on by trying to kill me. That seems reasonable. :D But your kill failed, so huh.Uhh...no.
The reason I'm not telling everything is mostly trust: if I tell everything that's going on in there, some info that would be useful would not be given, most likely. Plus, it's not like you can silence me - I can still talk to people in quicktopics even when dead. ;)
I know what's going on by trying to kill you == I'm killing you to check alignment :v I thought that would work anyway given the state of affairs and looking at what happened in the past days, this also included tossing the mental dice that 'hey, maybe TolyK is non-scum; hey, maybe the reviver is non-scum'. Stuff like that.
Also I think Flabort needs to be the one telling us this instead of your assurance.
Flabort: What're the rules regarding dead people? What're the rules regarding dead people and quicktopics? Will the bastard-y nature of this game ever change those rules? Is there a deadchat?
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Possibly from the fact that actions had a chance of turning into kills, based on the rules mentioned D1?QuoteWho were you trying to investigate?If questions like these were issued to everyone else, we'd have a more prolific of a game here!
I tried to ~!investigate FallacyOfUrist [N1]. This however got somehow redirected to a tumbleweed. Or I say 'redirected', but when I visited him, I saw the tumbleweed instead. Then it somehow died despite my action having no flavor or description of any lethality.
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Usually when you :P around, that means you've a nice schemata in place.Well, the biggest problem is that I can't action for at least 2 phases, possibly 3 or 4, so I'm stuck here chatting and maybe voting and apparently getting revived a bunch. I've also started working on a spreadsheet to figure out who did what and what happened, but I've got uni stuff that's taking some time as well.
Hello TolyK's planning mind. Howdy today?
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BYOC (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=115758.msg3573681#msg3573681) here.QuoteUI and I won BYOCards, where we were mafia.Oh o_O I was remembering the first one here. Please linkie because I'm too tired tot hink now.
I think you mean Magic Mafia, where Toaster and I were town, but then he was converted to the Mafia by Vector and we decided to win with the mafia? :P (AND I was town poisoner, which you wouldn't believe :D). Good times.
Everyone: Who has the role with "Doctors" in the name, eh?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 16, 2016, 08:11:08 am
Everyone: Who has the role with "Doctors" in the name, eh?Two points here: 1. Why are your role fishing, and 2. Just because you may have sent in a role with "doctors" somewhere in the name doesn't necessarily mean that nobody else did, which would result in (potentially) multiple people answering back in the affirmative.
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 08:19:02 am
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2016, 08:20:53 am
Inb4 everyone is mafias :V I'm mafia. You're mafia. We're all mafiaaaaa (and scum while at it).Quote from: TiruinInb4 it turns out I'm an actually unkillable SK who wins by default. :P (<<< THIS IS A JOKE)Quote<3...No? If your content was significant of mention, you'd be pretty much being critical and coherent. The TolyK I'm poking right now is like a harlequin--dancing with cheery :P'ness because of ulterior motives indistinct to my eyes.
I'm not being blatant, though, unless you mean explicit in saying a lot? :P
And the most hilarious bit is that I don't even see you firmly as scum with that attitude. -.- (hilarious as an intensifier to "What is TolyK even doing, playing lone wolf? >_>", not as a literal term)
So...what's the purpose of added content of that 'winconeverything' plan again? You're able to chat with NQT (and at a good timezone too--he's British!). Are you willing to divulge what's being said over there in this thread? :v
Did you add the last parts in capitalization because of that truth-post-checker?
Y'know whoever that is could work very well with the Mephansteras-editor to go '[This post] I'm {wincon alignment}!' and then 'poof', instant inspect or else you get an infraction if you edit it back.
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Well, alright, but others that can confirm that dead men can tell tales are TDS and DA. Take of that what you will. ;)TDS didn't 'die' or at least it wasn't mentioned that he did, and DA died but couldn't talk because it was knight :v
Please come out with information there other than a shrug and acknowledgement?
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Possibly from the fact that actions had a chance of turning into kills, based on the rules mentioned D1?...And my action is the only one that killed? :V
Unless anyone wants to claim what they did to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520) Hector (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyD5i7395as)?
Good point though.
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Well, the biggest problem is that I can't action for at least 2 phases, possibly 3 or 4, so I'm stuck here chatting and maybe voting and apparently getting revived a bunch. I've also started working on a spreadsheet to figure out who did what and what happened, but I've got uni stuff that's taking some time as well.I could've killed you and wiped it out! Could've!
*cue nobody claiming protect because of raisins* or whatever.
But in out of context discussion, that save is a pretty cool ability :O
Just that it's been used in the worst context ever <_<
*Uni-stuff highfive*
Everyone: Who has the role with "Doctors" in the name, eh?See. Blatant. :V Also Specific.
I'm assuming this is something pertinent (or the other hand will mean 'asking questions as fluff?'), so...why the specific deal here?
Is it connected with your plan of everyonewins? [I'm wondering who'd stand in front of that plan even happening--so I'm also wondering why you're not talking about that plan anyway? Nothing hinders you other than trust, and trust isn't something to just click when both parties be vague (though you already have NQT so myeh?)]
Next: What does that matter unless it's connected to something you know? o_O (ie Something mentioned in your list of roles--as pre-game sending can't tell).
...But that leads to a good idea. Anyone think mentioning how many roles you've sent in or what role names you've sent in is a good idea to claim at this time? We're technically on D2, preceeding any roles with a timer (see: That D2 link there for DA, who will then be able to KEEL PEOPLE PER DAAAY tomorrow)
Oh hey ninja'd!
He mentioned it specifically as 'Doctors' :P There can be no alternative other than someone ELSE submitting a role with Doctors.
PPEx2:
Fishing because it's potentially the last bit of info I can get in my current position. It's potentially the last role I sent in whose (which?) location I don't know.How does this make sense in this context? The dead can speak given how many posts you've done.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 16, 2016, 08:28:38 am
Anyone think mentioning how many roles you've sent in or what role names you've sent in is a good idea to claim at this time?I sent in eight, and know where four of those roles are. The other four are currently unaccounted for in any role flip or my own role PM.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 16, 2016, 09:53:50 am
flabort, can modkilled players be resurrected? Also, do the roles of modkilled players that would normally function after death continue functioning after being modkilled?
Post by: Shakerag on February 16, 2016, 11:45:38 am
> My N1 action KILLED THE TUMBLEWEED for some reason, even if it was NOT a kill-action. [It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]I can confirm that Tiruin visited the tumbleweed N1 as well. So did hector13, for what it's worth.
Also, what happened with your pressing the big red nuke button?
Post by: hector13 on February 16, 2016, 12:35:55 pm
So might have been Hector doing the kill? Does he have one? Or was it the DF mechanics thing?
I like how you completely ignore that it could've been Tiruin or Shakerag there, dude. Good play. Also that all actions have a chance of turning into a kill, regardless of what it is. Also, also, why aren't you paying attention to things? All my abilities were posted earlier.
You could answer your own questions by looking :P
Tolyk
Hector:Ragshake has post editing powers, I'm reasonably sure.So, uh. Why didn't you stop him earlier, and why do you refer to lynching Tumblewee even though we know he revives? That's bad, based on what everyone's telling me about my vote on TDS. :P
I also don't really want to be lynching Ragshake, for (hopefully obvious) selfish reasons. Perhaps we can lynch Tumbleweed instead? Or maybe we need to kill them both at the same time to get rid of them...
Anyway, I'll stop Raggy shaking things up for the rest of the day.
I was busy, and didn't think Raggy would be quite so mean :o turns out I didn't send my PM though. That's what I get for using my phone.
I wanted to lynch Tumbleweed 'cause I thought they and Ragshake were connected somehow, but I may have been mistaken in that thought. Tiruin said they used an investigative ability to target someone else that targeted Tumbleweed - confirmed by Shakerag - and that's what happened for me too... so maybe it's the investigation abilities that's buggered? I think tracking and watching are investigative, so it would also explain why Shakerag used that on an NPC, too.
Though she did also imply her's was lethal:
[It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]
Though also later that it didn't:
If questions like these were issued to everyone else, we'd have a more prolific of a game here!
I tried to ~!investigate FallacyOfUrist [N1]. This however got somehow redirected to a tumbleweed. Or I say 'redirected', but when I visited him, I saw the tumbleweed instead. Then it somehow died despite my action having no flavor or description of any lethality.
So maybe I'm just reading too much into wording, though a confirmation from Tiruin might be nice.
Nonsense
Hector (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyD5i7395as)?
Scottish translation "'mon oot ya wee shite, I want tae chib ye wi' mah big spear, then drag ye roond yer hoose oan the back o' ((pronounced "eh")) mah chariot."
Post by: hector13 on February 16, 2016, 12:47:46 pm
I'm not making this up: It's too much effort to get to the page with your abilities.
Not really. I linked it in reply 494, and Tiruin linked it again in reply 504. Your post was reply 510. The post itself was reply 400.
Stop being lazy and expecting everyone else to do your work for you! :o
Post by: hector13 on February 16, 2016, 02:03:41 pm
It's not in 504 ;(
Huh. So... if Shakerag is to be trusted, you investigated the Tumbleweed. Did it work?
'tis in 504, there's a line long link (though the word "Hector" links to a video) man, and I did say there were other places to get the link :P
I didn't investigate Tumbleweed, I tried to investigate Ragshake. I just said I think Tumbleweed is an investigation magnet :P we also have had 4mask confirm that Tumbleweed is a Town-Ally, which is what I discovered.
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 04:49:55 pm
Post by: flabort on February 16, 2016, 05:30:39 pm
Well, that's a lot to happen in one night.... I screwed up on two counts.
If I was actually shot, then I have no idea why I'm alive - I really should be dead by now. I have an auto that protects me, but it shouldn't be working by now.
A) I'm now realizing that the event shouldn't have gone through
B) If it had gone through, you'd be dead.
Flabort: Where is FallacyOfUrist's Roleflip? I flopped to the OP and flopped back into the game in order to write this next paragraph which went "Well we're back to square 1, sans NQT and *checks OP* FallacyOfUrist; we know a bit more about people's ROLEs and ABILITIES but a ton less on scumhunting--and the goings of people now are revolving around abilities and who did wut and "oh you prevent me from winning? Have a vote good sir." which gets answered by "Quite. I shall continue in vague." rather than 'scumhunting'" <_>Two posts below where he died.
Because I forgot to just edit it into that post.
Flabort: What're the rules regarding dead people? What're the rules regarding dead people and quicktopics? Will the bastard-y nature of this game ever change those rules? Is there a deadchat?Dead people may not post in the thread. Dead people can still talk in quicktopics. Perhaps they may change, probably not. No, there is no deadchat.
I would be ending the day now, but there were these questions that I had to deal with and I was gone on RL day.
Post by: flabort on February 16, 2016, 06:42:16 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 16, 2016, 09:48:20 pm
@_@Well, that's a lot to happen in one night.... I screwed up on two counts.
If I was actually shot, then I have no idea why I'm alive - I really should be dead by now. I have an auto that protects me, but it shouldn't be working by now.
A) I'm now realizing that the event shouldn't have gone through
B) If it had gone through, you'd be dead.
>_>
Tiruin:This is what happens when you launch a nuclear missile at someone when the post of the MOD and [RAGSHAKE] has occurred right before I pressed 'send' and 'post'. :P [Imagine: Starcraft nuclear strike on somebody.]> My N1 action KILLED THE TUMBLEWEED for some reason, even if it was NOT a kill-action. [It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]I can confirm that Tiruin visited the tumbleweed N1 as well. So did hector13, for what it's worth.
Also, what happened with your pressing the big red nuke button?
Hilarity. :v
But yeah. Uh. I...really need to wait on Flabort now. Also reading back up here--sorry, exams are happening!
Eep! :-[ My apologies!Flabort: Where is FallacyOfUrist's Roleflip?Two posts below where he died.
Because I forgot to just edit it into that post.
Post by: TolyK on February 16, 2016, 11:06:43 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2016, 08:08:41 am
PFP
I'm not making this up: It's too much effort to get to the page with your abilities.What kill? I didn't do anything kill-y on any night.
Tiruin already said that it was probably them doing the kill, didn't need to mention that. Good job on Shakerag tho, overlooked that.
[...]This is what you get from watching Harry Potter films when younger and having admiration for Ron Weasley. :v
Though she did also imply her's was lethal:[It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]
Though also later that it didn't:If questions like these were issued to everyone else, we'd have a more prolific of a game here!
I tried to ~!investigate FallacyOfUrist [N1]. This however got somehow redirected to a tumbleweed. Or I say 'redirected', but when I visited him, I saw the tumbleweed instead. Then it somehow died despite my action having no flavor or description of any lethality.
So maybe I'm just reading too much into wording, though a confirmation from Tiruin might be nice.
I'll let you connect the dots here (no I'm not implying lethality, in short).
NonsenseI like how astute your link-vision is. :PHector (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyD5i7395as)?
Scottish translation "'mon oot ya wee shite, I want tae chib ye wi' mah big spear, then drag ye roond yer hoose oan the back o' ((pronounced "eh")) mah chariot."
Tiruin:For purposes of baffling scum, I'm putting flavor to every claim I make :v (so expect references to various video games).> My N1 action KILLED THE TUMBLEWEED for some reason, even if it was NOT a kill-action. [It was a one-shot bloody investigate aimed NOT at the tumbleweed >_>]I can confirm that Tiruin visited the tumbleweed N1 as well. So did hector13, for what it's worth.
Also, what happened with your pressing the big red nuke button?
In which I'd fakeclaim a Terran Ghost, with a literal Lockdown ability and a Nuclear Silo at my disposal every 3 days (since, y'know, 200 minerals and 200 vespene gas is a lot to come by. Hah! I remembered the price of a Nuke without even looking it up and it's been years since I played Starcraft!). Thing is, the nuke targets the person with the most votes at the time of arrival (20 second countdown and a nice warning on impact :P)
tldr; It should be a limited-use kill.
is there anything else you can ask to anyone else or...@_@
We need more scumhunting here because I'm poof'd >_>
Also I suspect you know something there given certain...indices. :P
P.S. If Shakerag's evil twin actually gets hit instead, I h8 you all, m8s. :V
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2016, 08:12:26 am
TolyK
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2016, 08:19:51 am
I get the distinct impression that TolyK is not what he seems and knows more then he lets on...Just to clarify (since I think I've read everything -.-): You know how many alignments exist in the game or...how many roles?
TolyK
Also do you have a post restriction?
Also2 on the bigbolded stuff I asked earlier :v
Anyone think mentioning how many roles you've sent in or what role names you've sent in is a good idea to claim at this time?I sent in 2, and currently have the staple 5. o_o
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2016, 08:22:48 am
Just to clarify (since I think I've read everything -.-): You know how many alignments exist in the game or...how many roles?I know the alignments of every living player. There are two outsiders, one town-ally, one cult, two mafia, and seven town. Of those, hector13 is confirmed outsider, his role flip makes it very likely that Ragshake is the other outsider, and Tumbleweed is confirmed the town-ally by several people.
Also do you have a post restriction?
The answer to your second question is yes, as I have stated before.
Post by: Tiruin on February 17, 2016, 08:36:51 am
The answer to your second question is yes, as I have stated before.I missed where you stated it ._.; Can you repost that please, in a reply later on?
I know the alignments of every living player. There are two outsiders, one town-ally, one cult, two mafia, and seven town. Of those, hector13 is confirmed outsider, his role flip makes it very likely that Ragshake is the other outsider, and Tumbleweed is confirmed the town-ally by several people.Err...the wording pokes me. It's like saying 'I know all your alignments' or something :O (Also you mentioned there's a Cult? I'm hearkening onto the idea that there may be a power that revives one [non-scum] as a cultist; can you recheck on this or is it an Auto power?)
Does this update per day? Is it one-shot used? I'm asking on bounds of certainty because we've got revivers (and it'll be a very umphy bastard game if alignments get changed because of abilities which play with life and death -_-)
@Tiruin: The DF mechanics were still in on N1. So it could've been you. 10% chance of any action turning into a kill, right?I do not know if my thingy became a kill or not <_> Or...I'll recheck my N1 Result action. I think it did though. Will post in the morning because I have a disagreeable colon in RL and hrrrrgh why during exams (and post-breakdown due to other RL reasons).
Must be stress o_O
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2016, 09:08:23 am
The answer to your second question is yes, as I have stated before.I missed where you stated it ._.; Can you repost that please, in a reply later on?I know the alignments of every living player. There are two outsiders, one town-ally, one cult, two mafia, and seven town. Of those, hector13 is confirmed outsider, his role flip makes it very likely that Ragshake is the other outsider, and Tumbleweed is confirmed the town-ally by several people.Err...the wording pokes me. It's like saying 'I know all your alignments' or something :O (Also you mentioned there's a Cult? I'm hearkening onto the idea that there may be a power that revives one [non-scum] as a cultist; can you recheck on this or is it an Auto power?)
Does this update per day? Is it one-shot used? I'm asking on bounds of certainty because we've got revivers (and it'll be a very umphy bastard game if alignments get changed because of abilities which play with life and death -_-)
4maskwolf: Do you have a post restriction that you are allowed to speak of?Wuba wub, wub wub wuba? Yes, yes I do, and I see no restriction in my role around my speaking of it. You should probably have already figured out what it is by now. If you haven't, then I can't help you.
My ability updates at the start of every phase.
Post by: TolyK on February 17, 2016, 09:50:57 am
I get the distinct impression that TolyK is not what he seems and knows more then he lets on...I actually do know more than I let on, however it's not by much (the biggest things are already said).
TolyK
Tolyk: You said that you'd be 'apparently getting revived a bunch'. Someone would have to kill you first. Why do you think you're a target? Well, besides the 2 infractions, role that stops you from using actions, and being roleblocked in the 'EVENT!'.I think I'm a target precisely after the second (and third) role that stops me from using actions. Before that, I just knew that I would (normally) revive upon being killed.
Lovely. The end effect is still that I'm not dead, though, so hopefully it works out.Well, that's a lot to happen in one night.... I screwed up on two counts.
If I was actually shot, then I have no idea why I'm alive - I really should be dead by now. I have an auto that protects me, but it shouldn't be working by now.
A) I'm now realizing that the event shouldn't have gone through
B) If it had gone through, you'd be dead.
Quote from: Flabort
Mandatory "I told you".Flabort: Where is FallacyOfUrist's Roleflip? I flopped to the OP and flopped back into the game in order to write this next paragraph which went "Well we're back to square 1, sans NQT and *checks OP* FallacyOfUrist; we know a bit more about people's ROLEs and ABILITIES but a ton less on scumhunting--and the goings of people now are revolving around abilities and who did wut and "oh you prevent me from winning? Have a vote good sir." which gets answered by "Quite. I shall continue in vague." rather than 'scumhunting'" <_>Two posts below where he died.
Because I forgot to just edit it into that post.Flabort: What're the rules regarding dead people? What're the rules regarding dead people and quicktopics? Will the bastard-y nature of this game ever change those rules? Is there a deadchat?Dead people may not post in the thread. Dead people can still talk in quicktopics. Perhaps they may change, probably not. No, there is no deadchat.
Hmm... Tolyk, is it possible for you to create the equivalent of a Deadchat? Might want to do that, because of NQT's revival ability.It's completely possible, however not for another 3 or 4 phases because I'm duct-taped and tied and glued to the town's voting-post. :>
@Tiruin: The DF mechanics were still in on N1. So it could've been you. 10% chance of any action turning into a kill, right?That's exactly what I was saying about the Tumbleweed murder of N1.
Post by: Shakerag on February 17, 2016, 10:07:00 am
Ragshake: In your opinion, who should I vote for? Also, who should I absolutely -not- vote for (yourself excluded)?
The Moonlit Shadow: Plan on doing anything of significance today?
Post by: TolyK on February 17, 2016, 11:50:45 am
Post by: TolyK on February 17, 2016, 12:07:32 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2016, 12:18:17 pm
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2016, 12:49:39 pm
Quote from: Ragshake
Ragshake: In your opinion, who should I vote for? Also, who should I absolutely -not- vote for (yourself excluded)?Yourself; alternatively, an easy and vulnerable target, like Tiruin or TolyK. Also, don't vote Solid Snake; his name's not on the vote list.
Eh, screw it. Tiruin x3, TolyK x3, Hector x3. Heheheh.
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2016, 01:00:52 pm
Hector13 has been gifted an Infraction
Post by: Shakerag on February 17, 2016, 01:02:59 pm
Also, it would appear that Ragshake has a dynamic number of votes, based on the number of players currently voting. He had eight votes before, and now is allocating nine votes.
Post by: TolyK on February 17, 2016, 02:43:24 pm
I had another one, but FallacyofUrist revealed early D1 that he had a copy of the role (indirectly), so I gave it to him N1.So, you started with one, gave it to FoU, and eventually...
Hold up. Hold right on up.
I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.
Post by: TolyK on February 17, 2016, 02:44:14 pm
Extend if the day's ending soon. We can shorten later if anything.
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2016, 03:09:13 pm
Oragamiscienceguy:
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I): Ragshake, Ragshake
The Moonlit Shadow: Shakerag,
Tiruin: Ragshake, Ragshake, Ragshake
4maskwolf: TolyK
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II): 4maskwolf, The Moonlit Shadow, Ragshake, Ragshake, Ragshake
Deus Asmoth:
Shakerag's Evil Twin: Hector13, Tawarochir, Teneb, TheDarkStar, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy, OrigamiScienceGuy
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: The Moonlit Shadow, Tiruin, Deus Asmoth
1/4 votes to extend
Day ends in ~2-4 hours if not extended
flabort, can modkilled players be resurrected? Also, do the roles of modkilled players that would normally function after death continue functioning after being modkilled?Missed this. I guess they can be.
Yes, they would continue functioning.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on February 17, 2016, 03:16:50 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 17, 2016, 03:22:54 pm
It seems that ragshake gets one vote per person NOT voting him. That seems like a good enough reason to remove him from the game.
Too bad being dead doesn't remove him from the game, eh?
Moonlit
So Shakerag is apparently Confirmed Town. Don't know how much we can trust that, though. Yes, I know it's the mod but it's also an ability.
It also said he was a Jester on D1. I think we can trust that about as much as we can trust Ragshake.
Post by: TolyK on February 17, 2016, 04:32:04 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 17, 2016, 04:33:29 pm
Redoing to Ragshake because so far my hunch is inconclusive and I'm tired.Care to explain what this hunch of yours is, or are you happy to leave it ambiguous so you can get away with just about any explanation later?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 17, 2016, 05:44:17 pm
OSG, why is having multiple votes a good reason to kill Ragshake?
Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth, the known roles as far as I can see are:
Town (2/7 Confirmed): Shakerag, DA
Town-Ally: TTW
Outsider (2): hector, Ragshake
Then the other eight players (1 cult, 2 mafia and 5 town) remain unknown.
Post by: Teneb on February 17, 2016, 05:50:17 pm
What's the actual point of lynching Ragshake at the moment? He'll apparently win regardless of whether he's alive or dead and hector's the only one that actually benefits from inconveniencing him.Ragshake is obviously anti-town, and has been screwing with pretty much everyone. He may win even while dead, but it will at least turn him into a non-threat.
Post by: flabort on February 17, 2016, 06:02:46 pm
Day End Votes
Oragamiscienceguy: 1
Hector13: 2
TheMoonlitShadow: 1
Tiruin: 3
TolyK: 5
Ragshake: 6
Lurking Infractions:
None.
Day 3 Ends
Sitting on his perch of what could only be called a crow's nest, Ragshake hurled down insults and rotten eggs, annoying everyone as thouroughly as he could. He laughed in the face of his twin, and laughed further when someone tried to climb up and get him, only to realized the pole had been greased. Many people tried to reach him, and he kept laughing, and laughing. The laughing only stopped when TheDarkStar flew up carrying a gun and shot him in the head.
Ragshake has been lynched. He was an Outsider
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Night 3 Begins, and will end Friday
Post by: flabort on February 19, 2016, 05:07:26 pm
Post by: flabort on February 19, 2016, 05:27:02 pm
The Spectatorkill has been transformed into a protect.
OSG has been removed from the game!
Night 3 Ends
Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Deus Asmoth:
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Tawarochir, TheDarkStar, Hector13, TheMoonlitShadow, TheMoonlitShadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Teneb, TolyK, Deus Asmoth, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Day will end Tuesday Afternoon
Post by: Teneb on February 19, 2016, 05:36:17 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 19, 2016, 05:41:17 pm
Griffin, Sargent, what are you?
4mask, what are the faction numbers now?
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 19, 2016, 05:42:45 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 19, 2016, 05:46:31 pm
Post by: flabort on February 19, 2016, 05:54:44 pm
Can I ask what the objective of an outsider is? I think it means a variety of things, but I dunno. I mean, if they all have the same wincon as the other outsider we've seen then, well, they can't.It means "Can't be defined by normal parameters", so no, not all outsiders are the same thing.
Quote from: GRIFFIN
Griffin, Sargent, what are you?Buck Buck RAOOOOOOORRR
Quote from: SARGENT
Griffin, Sargent, what are you?Name: THE SARGENT
Rank: SENIOR SARGENT
Serial Number: 0000004
I want you on that floor scrubbing like mad, you maggot! The mafia are not going to find themselves for us if the floor is DIRTY! I SAID SCRUB! HARDER!
Post by: Teneb on February 19, 2016, 06:00:05 pm
8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.I am going to take a guess that both NPCs are town. We had 2 mafia at the end of the last day. The second cult member can be explained by a conversion in the night, since the NPCs certainly were not in play then. Hector is the confirmed outsider and tumbleweed is the town-ally.
I guess the question is if the NPCs are disruptive like Ragshake or not.
Post by: flabort on February 19, 2016, 06:04:43 pm
There's 14 people on that list. There are only 13 players.My mistake. 1 less town then that.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on February 19, 2016, 06:32:49 pm
Why is it spelled SARGENT as opposed to sargeant?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2016, 08:29:09 pm
Are you a robot?
Post by: hector13 on February 19, 2016, 08:30:37 pm
Post by: flabort on February 19, 2016, 08:46:36 pm
Quote from: THE SARGENT
I AM THE SARGENT. That is the reason I am called the SARGENT. I assure you maggots that if I needed to spell to rise to my rank, I wouldn't be here. Now quit slacking! 20 pushups! You'll never make CORPRAL at that rate!
NO! I am not a robot! It is an insult to all of shark kind to even speculate that!
Never met a Ragshake in my life. It's not relevant to your training, so get to work!
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 19, 2016, 09:53:04 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 19, 2016, 10:27:36 pm
Furthermore, we know that neither hector nor the tumbleweed were converted (unless Sargent or Griffin feel like claiming outsider or town-ally), so that's two people we can rule out. Griffin and Sargent are also unlikely targets since the cult leader likely wasn't aware that they were in the game when targeting their conversion. So that leaves 9 players as potential conversions or scum. I know that I'm town, meaning that there's a 50% chance of hitting scum of some sort even by just lynching randomly. Those odds aren't entirely awful. Also, OSG is confirmed as town once he comes back I guess, since the non-town faction numbers are unchanged (besides cult going up one- unless the WIFOM laden thought that just occurred to me is true).
Following on from that, Tolyk probably wouldn't be so open about wanting everyone to win as scum and TDS can't be lynched... so...
Tiruin, random chance tells me that you're scum. If you admit it now we can lynch you rather than forcing me to give you a bunch of infractions.
4mask, did you get a list of alignments during day 1, and if so was there a jester? We might as well sort out whether Shakerag is changing alignments every day.
Post by: TolyK on February 19, 2016, 11:23:52 pm
I got no night PM. :(
Morning post, expect not much. :P
Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.Oh so it was you?
-.-
Quote from: DA
Following on from that, Tolyk probably wouldn't be so open about wanting everyone to win as scum and TDS can't be lynched... so...WTF.
Tiruin, random chance tells me that you're scum. If you admit it now we can lynch you rather than forcing me to give you a bunch of infractions.
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2016, 11:41:08 pm
Anyway! Someone exchanged with me a role that I most likely believe they knew the name of (hint: It's specifically dealing with what happened yesterday--and given the shift of mention today,
DA
Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.So you're the person infraction'ing everyone? :O
Could you please give details why you infraction'd them?
Following on from that, Tolyk probably wouldn't be so open about wanting everyone to win as scum and TDS can't be lynched... so..."Random chance" is a much better way of saying anecdotal evidence. Doubly so when you forward it up with false bravado.
Tiruin, random chance tells me that you're scum. If you admit it now we can lynch you rather than forcing me to give you a bunch of infractions.
Seriously: For posterity, this is why people scumhunt. Have I been the only advocate of commenting on the generality that way? If I could call out the majority of people here because of lacking activity during daytime (as it technically breaches going against their wincon, implying the majority being town anyway), I'd slap YOU with an infraction. And You! And you good sir!
And basically for you: Have your only targets of mention being those that are actively speaking in game?
You discard TDS because 'he's unkillable'? This is VERY strange behavior of you DA, because despite your character strength being your forwardness and straightforward attitude--you push away this ONE person because of what happened in D1.
Alone.
And you are not "confirmed town" {Though I like that you worded it as 'I know I'm confirmed town' >_> "I remember I'm town! :D"}. If we remove the idea that 4mask is scum (mafia or otherwise), then you may be cult or otherwise--given the latest count.
I can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?
DA, for a 'confirmed' townie, your play is abysmal thus far. >_>
[Disclosure: Tiruin is affected by Down Mood Syndrome and this will reflect in her words--this is not related to Mafia and rather a more non-Mafia thing]
4mask, did you get a list of alignments during day 1, and if so was there a jester? We might as well sort out whether Shakerag is changing alignments every day.I'll shortcut my own findings for him (but I'm also interested in hearing from you, 4mask)
This is Shakerag by Day 3. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6815971;topicseen#msg6815971)
This is Shakerag by Day 1. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791782#msg6791782)
See the shifts? We can't trust that, and nobody has questioned Shakerag about this :v
NQT, if you were alive--even if you were Mafia, I'd enjoy your positing of ideas <_>
DA: Who are you planning to use your Daykill on?
Private, obviously ;)Newbie, content please. In any other game we can go with banter, but considering all this--go forward with content <_<
Okay, this is... weird.And this is why we need scumhunting :v So despite any addition of hilarity, we'd at least be able to establish 'SOMETHING' on the PCs.
I'm basically asking everyone's reads as of this moment. Also is massclaiming a good idea? I'm all for that too.
I also would like to forward the idea of those who have flipped TOWN to claim everything they did earlier that they are comfy with [ie Basically claiming anything that helps narrow down the scum-spects] because this works as a double-edge for them if they have revived under another alignment
Spoiler: My reads + ADDED INFO (click to show/hide)
' <_> Though I usually assume that Mafia = teamplay and his play is...not team-oriented. Especially with that presumed 'Nuke-in-a-box' he's holding; still doesn't strike somewhat town-y because HE HASN'T USED IT. A very noteful thing for later on.Tawarochir: What did you do last night? I'd like to know because I checked up on you--and your unconventional ability.
TheDarkStar: Update thyself;
Hector13 (I): What is your wincondition?
> This ties into Ragshake--since he's also an Outsider [and a powerful demotivator of votes--I'm planning to SILENCE him today so the flipping votecount won't be FUDGED UP BY HIM -_-]
The Moonlit Shadow: Please give a list of your reads. I've been getting jumpiness from you for all over this game. But this goes hand in hand with being new.
Tiruin: Yo sis. I'm being silly with myself which in no way even touches how I play mafia at this point. Destressing by being silly [which in no way is connected to my abilities.]
4maskwolf:
Shakerag: Lacking contentful posts. Do you think you're able to catch scum like that? Could I also please ask your reads on everyone?
Teneb:
Guessing whether the NPCs are whatever is irrelevant; they are based on ROLES which is why they exist. Could I ask why you're rolling into that tangent? :O8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.I am going to take a guess that both NPCs are town. We had 2 mafia at the end of the last day. The second cult member can be explained by a conversion in the night, since the NPCs certainly were not in play then. Hector is the confirmed outsider and tumbleweed is the town-ally.
I guess the question is if the NPCs are disruptive like Ragshake or not.
Could I also ask you your main overview of the game thus far?
TolyK (II): Since you can speak, and since you can boat, update on your current everything-you-can-tell.
I've also realized that nobody can win while NQT is...existing. I have a power to wipe him from existence but it activates only at night (inclusive with his roles--so he's basically not playing, as far as I know). [in which I only realized the realization in the first sentence while typing this big post because of all these tabs open! And I'm in a PC shop -___-]
Glad to know that the reviver-person isn't Mafia too :V But he's technically not town since he revived an outsider.
An annoying outsider :^ [No offense Hector]
PPE: Hey! TolyK!
ELABORATING INTENSIFIES :I
Post by: Tiruin on February 19, 2016, 11:43:16 pm
TheDarkStar: Update thyself. You're a person who currently stops everyone from winning and I'm totally OK with it. Please extend that kind of attention and potential towards more activity, please.I misformatted and pressed post.
((Also OOC, please get well soon. Hope your nosebleed is OK :-[))
Post by: hector13 on February 20, 2016, 12:17:23 am
I'm presently bemused by DA's voting of Tiruin. I can't see that being a serious vote given he's basically saying "I have nothing but a likely flawed statistical analysis based on an incomplete data set and many, many assumptions to support my vote on Tiruin."
Like, seriously bro?
What makes you think OSG is coming back, too, hm?
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 12:24:59 am
My wincon remains removing Ragshake from the game.Why aren't you a lyncher then?
Also do you agree with the massclaim? Since [from my perspective] that seems the best way (even in the face of the mafia) to get coordinated here.
I'm presently bemused by DA's voting of Tiruin. I can't see that being a serious vote given he's basically saying "I have nothing but a likely flawed statistical analysis based on an incomplete data set and many, many assumptions to support my vote on Tiruin."There're stuffs like pressure voting :P I've in my notebook that people do that sometimes to initiate conversation with others especially when the context is lacking.
Like, seriously bro?
Anything of content for him there?
Anything for the rest of us?
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 12:28:31 am
Also, OSG is confirmed as town once he comes back I guess, since the non-town faction numbers are unchanged (besides cult going up one- unless the WIFOM laden thought that just occurred to me is true).DA, the 'faction numbers' are based on who is currently present at the start of the phase--as far as I presume, OSG's disappearance is a result of a night action; if it was a day action, it would be in a separate post from the day start post. If it was a hilarious day-action that was meant to start at the start of the day, then in the least there would be a notification (as I hope, Flabort [please confirm]?) that there is a difference, even if not direct.
So...scumslip much? :P
Post by: flabort on February 20, 2016, 12:36:52 am
DA, the 'faction numbers' are based on who is currently present at the start of the phase--as far as I presume, OSG's disappearance is a result of a night action; if it was a day action, it would be in a separate post from the day start post. If it was a hilarious day-action that was meant to start at the start of the day, then in the least there would be a notification (as I hope, Flabort [please confirm]?) that there is a difference, even if not direct.Keeping in mind any ability is as fallible as my memory/notes, yes, I can confirm that if a day action took place right away, there would be a separate post or at least a notification that it was not a part of the night stuffs.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 12:41:20 am
Two more NPC's. Two.Two more? I don't see Ragshake, so I'm assuming role shenanigans happened last night (can confirm, had role shenanigans happening to me. But dear goodness this is a kindly one. I'm loaning a role \o/ and can return it anytime [and then the role that was borrowed from me has all its use-abilities being spent :V])
Well, anyone know what the plant's (Tumbling Tumbleweed) doing? If it's nothing special, I'm in favor for ignoring it. Spectatorkill always seems not to have killed, however. If we knew the Spectator's motivations that would be more useful.
But yeah. Query TMS
What's with the dead-end(ish) speculating on the specs? Spectators can't speak. Why focus on the Tumbleweed when it's a Town-ally?
I'm wondering if the added NPCs are a timer-ability thing, like DA's Grima.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 20, 2016, 12:43:21 am
DAI didn't. Check my roleflip from earlier, my kills only come into play today. And my infractions come in larger doses.Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.So you're the person infraction'ing everyone? :O
Could you please give details why you infraction'd them?
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No, when I say random chance I literally mean random chance. There are eight candidates for four scum roles currently in the game, not counting myself for obvious reasons. TDS is definitely immune to lynches and I'm inclined to believe when he says that he's immune to kills, so regardless of whether he's scum he can't be a candidate right now. Tolyk's play doesn't seem scummy to me, putting us at six candidates for four (or three is TDS is scum) roles. Then I rolled a dice, because I'm currently in a risk taking mood for unrelated reasons.Following on from that, Tolyk probably wouldn't be so open about wanting everyone to win as scum and TDS can't be lynched... so..."Random chance" is a much better way of saying anecdotal evidence. Doubly so when you forward it up with false bravado.
Tiruin, random chance tells me that you're scum. If you admit it now we can lynch you rather than forcing me to give you a bunch of infractions.
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Seriously: For posterity, this is why people scumhunt.I'm scum hunting right now. Effectively? Perhaps not. But in a fashion that amuses me, which is much better.
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And basically for you: Have your only targets of mention being those that are actively speaking in game?I'm not discarding TDS as a suspect, I'm saying that I can't get him lynched right now. I can disable his kill immunity tonight though, which is probably something I'm going to do.
You discard TDS because 'he's unkillable'? This is VERY strange behavior of you DA, because despite your character strength being your forwardness and straightforward attitude--you push away this ONE person because of what happened in D1.
Alone.
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And you are not "confirmed town" {Though I like that you worded it as 'I know I'm confirmed town' >_> "I remember I'm town! :D"}. If we remove the idea that 4mask is scum (mafia or otherwise), then you may be cult or otherwise--given the latest count.Yep. I was confirmed town yesterday, but not any more since the cult has grown. Today I only said that I know I'm town to avoid reading over the post and thinking that I'd left someone out. I didn't say I was confirmed today as far as I recall.
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DA, for a 'confirmed' townie, your play is abysmal thus far. >_>Not my standard play, certainly, but it should generate some interesting results.
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Someone that I think is mafia, probably. I might drop it on the Sarge to check if he and Grif are actually the new cult members and OSG is the leader. It'd be an interesting twist. Though I'd need to day and night kill someone for them to actually die, which kind of sucks.4mask, did you get a list of alignments during day 1, and if so was there a jester? We might as well sort out whether Shakerag is changing alignments every day.I'll shortcut my own findings for him (but I'm also interested in hearing from you, 4mask)
This is Shakerag by Day 3. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6815971;topicseen#msg6815971)
This is Shakerag by Day 1. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791782#msg6791782)
See the shifts? We can't trust that, and nobody has questioned Shakerag about this :v
NQT, if you were alive--even if you were Mafia, I'd enjoy your positing of ideas <_>
DA: Who are you planning to use your Daykill on?
Currently PFP'ing and also something just hit me while I read Hector's post.Not quite getting what you're saying here. If OSG disappeared as a result of a night action (which I'm assuming is the case), he wasn't present at the start of the day and as such wouldn't be part of the start-of-day faction count. Since he's been excluded from that count, but the number of mafia remains the same and the number of ult has actually increased it's therefore reasonable to assume that he can't be a member of either one unless he exiled himself to spawn two NPC cultists. Hmm...Also, OSG is confirmed as town once he comes back I guess, since the non-town faction numbers are unchanged (besides cult going up one- unless the WIFOM laden thought that just occurred to me is true).DA, the 'faction numbers' are based on who is currently present at the start of the phase--as far as I presume, OSG's disappearance is a result of a night action; if it was a day action, it would be in a separate post from the day start post. If it was a hilarious day-action that was meant to start at the start of the day, then in the least there would be a notification (as I hope, Flabort [please confirm]?) that there is a difference, even if not direct.
So...scumslip much? :P
flabort, if an NPC is given four infractions, can they be replaced by a PC?
Tolyk
Nope, my infractions come in fours. My role has already flipped, you know. This shouldn't be a shock.Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.Oh so it was you?
-.-
hector
My wincon remains removing Ragshake from the game.My vote on Tiruin is pretty obviously not very serious given that I admitted while doing it that it was randomly placed from among six candidates. And if you check my roleflip, I have a role that exiles players for a phase then returns them to the game. I didn't use it on OSG, but it seems reasonable that if it's similar to my power it wouldn't just get rid of him forever.
I'm presently bemused by DA's voting of Tiruin. I can't see that being a serious vote given he's basically saying "I have nothing but a likely flawed statistical analysis based on an incomplete data set and many, many assumptions to support my vote on Tiruin."
Like, seriously bro?
What makes you think OSG is coming back, too, hm?
Post by: flabort on February 20, 2016, 12:51:47 am
flabort, if an NPC is given four infractions, can they be replaced by a PC?o.O
I... guess...
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 01:09:10 am
I didn't. Check my roleflip from earlier, my kills only come into play today. And my infractions come in larger doses.Eeeyeaaaaah ._.
That isn't in your roleflip either, so the mention of you + infractions = o_O
And I (at least) made notes! Your death-time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792045#msg6792045) plus the first instance of the infraction-thingy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6797946#msg6797946) minus when you came back to life (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520;topicseen#msg6802520) equals a hilarious equation not written in symbols. (Meaning I'm poking you on this since I already knew you weren't the infraction-dude [UNLESS THAT CAN ACT ON DEATH :I or ABILITIES CAN BE GAINED ON DEATH which I doubt])
Seriousness aside, I'll submit a hypothetical then:
> What do you plan to do with your infractions
> When did you get that power to infract...-tion [may be optional to answer; can be general time]
> Why...the weird wording with your infraction thingy?
Were you the dude who loaned this role to me?
It just feels like somebody...
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No, when I say random chance I literally mean random chance. There are eight candidates for four scum roles currently in the game, not counting myself for obvious reasons. TDS is definitely immune to lynches and I'm inclined to believe when he says that he's immune to kills, so regardless of whether he's scum he can't be a candidate right now. Tolyk's play doesn't seem scummy to me, putting us at six candidates for four (or three is TDS is scum) roles. Then I rolled a dice, because I'm currently in a risk taking mood for unrelated reasons.4 scum roles...Minus the Outsiders (or at least Ragshake)! :P The TOWN wincon does not usually include the Outsider unless both wincons clash (and Outsiders are not considered as scum in that regard). [Or at least that's how I understand it :v]
Which you WOULD'VE KNOWN IF YOU WERE TOWN. [beat]
Well...you were town. Or at least that's what the roleflip says. But...my point stands! <_>
I'm moody! (Seriously sorry for my moodiness, will cut down on it later on)
Also what I mentioned in my post back up there was based on bad memory--I had in memory that TDS said he's immune for more than lynches. Oops!
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I'm scum hunting right now. Effectively? Perhaps not. But in a fashion that amuses me, which is much better.Oh you.
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I'm not discarding TDS as a suspect, I'm saying that I can't get him lynched right now. I can disable his kill immunity tonight though, which is probably something I'm going to do.Probably? :V
Yep, role shenanigans. Because your roleflip does not display any role that can do dis. (unless you mean banishment, but that's technically NOT disabling his kill immunity as he's not here for a PHASE! [Do note that means he'll be present the next NIGHT if you use it during NIGHT])
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Someone that I think is mafia, probably. I might drop it on the Sarge to check if he and Grif are actually the new cult members and OSG is the leader. It'd be an interesting twist. Though I'd need to day and night kill someone for them to actually die, which kind of sucks.... :'(
Doesn't anyone poke the idea that NPCs = exist because of PC roles?
(I mean srsly.)
Question still stands. :v
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My vote on Tiruin is pretty obviously not very serious given that I admitted while doing it that it was randomly placed from among six candidates. And if you check my roleflip, I have a role that exiles players for a phase then returns them to the game. I didn't use it on OSG, but it seems reasonable that if it's similar to my power it wouldn't just get rid of him forever....So did you use it on OSG- oh.
So what did you do anyway? :v
Thoughts on the massclaim?
Woah son ._.flabort, if an NPC is given four infractions, can they be replaced by a PC?o.O
I... guess...
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-Players that accumulate 2 Infractions will be unable to use their roles for a cycle, and again for every 2 more infractions that they incur. Players that accumulate 4 Infractions will be put up for replacement.I don't even that kind of logic. But...woah.
Post by: hector13 on February 20, 2016, 01:17:04 am
Anyway, most salient (other than DA's vote, so unvote, for the moment) was Tiruin's demands for my wincon.
One of my roles (reply... 404? has either my flip or a link to it, will correct that if it's wrong tomorrow. Late and tired) is an instant loss while Ragshake wins. Ragshake wins by being in the game, and he's in the game whether alive or dead, so yeah. I voted for 'im, no feckin' closer to figuring out how to remove him from the game.
Perhaps the new NPCs have something to do with it?/thinking out loud
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 20, 2016, 01:39:58 am
Relevant roles:I didn't. Check my roleflip from earlier, my kills only come into play today. And my infractions come in larger doses.Eeeyeaaaaah ._.
That isn't in your roleflip either, so the mention of you + infractions = o_O
And I (at least) made notes! Your death-time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792045#msg6792045) plus the first instance of the infraction-thingy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6797946#msg6797946) minus when you came back to life (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520;topicseen#msg6802520) equals a hilarious equation not written in symbols. (Meaning I'm poking you on this since I already knew you weren't the infraction-dude [UNLESS THAT CAN ACT ON DEATH :I or ABILITIES CAN BE GAINED ON DEATH which I doubt])
Seriousness aside, I'll submit a hypothetical then:
> What do you plan to do with your infractions
> When did you get that power to infract...-tion [may be optional to answer; can be general time]
> Why...the weird wording with your infraction thingy?
The Fell Dragon, Grima. (http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Grima_%28character%29)
(Auto) Endgame Boss: The rest of the abilities in this role do not function until the start of the fourth day.
(Day) SILENCE, MORTAL [target]: You kill the target. This ability does not function while another ability is in play.
(Night) I AM THE END [Target]: You kill the target.
(2-shot, Night) YOU CANNOT SLAY WHAT MAY NEVER DIE: You come back to life. This functions only when you are dead.
The FHPBYOR2 Role That Puts People Up For Replacement Instead Of Killing Them
(Auto) Should you Kill: Any kill attempt you make gives the player 4 temporary infractions that expire at the end of the next day phase.
As for what I plan to do with them... selectively disabling the powers of people I think are scum seems pretty useful. Forcing someone to get modkilled also seems useful. So I'll probably do that.
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Were you the dude who loaned this role to me?I haven't given you anything as far as I know.
It just feels like somebody...wants to sell me something (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0K5s7-k9cs)!has a banker-type role![/purespeculation]
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[2 mafia]+[2 cult] = 4 scum.QuoteNo, when I say random chance I literally mean random chance. There are eight candidates for four scum roles currently in the game, not counting myself for obvious reasons. TDS is definitely immune to lynches and I'm inclined to believe when he says that he's immune to kills, so regardless of whether he's scum he can't be a candidate right now. Tolyk's play doesn't seem scummy to me, putting us at six candidates for four (or three is TDS is scum) roles. Then I rolled a dice, because I'm currently in a risk taking mood for unrelated reasons.4 scum roles...Minus the Outsiders (or at least Ragshake)! :P The TOWN wincon does not usually include the Outsider unless both wincons clash (and Outsiders are not considered as scum in that regard). [Or at least that's how I understand it :v]
Which you WOULD'VE KNOWN IF YOU WERE TOWN. [beat]
Well...you were town. Or at least that's what the roleflip says. But...my point stands! <_>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saPAQRzbVds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saPAQRzbVds)QuoteI'm scum hunting right now. Effectively? Perhaps not. But in a fashion that amuses me, which is much better.Oh you.
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Relevant role:QuoteI'm not discarding TDS as a suspect, I'm saying that I can't get him lynched right now. I can disable his kill immunity tonight though, which is probably something I'm going to do.Probably? :V
Yep, role shenanigans. Because your roleflip does not display any role that can do dis. (unless you mean banishment, but that's technically NOT disabling his kill immunity as he's not here for a PHASE! [Do note that means he'll be present the next NIGHT if you use it during NIGHT])
Kryptonite
(Night) Glowing Green Rock [Target]: You cause all auto abilities that would prevent the target from dying to stop functioning for the duration of this phase. This is not a kill, they would need to be attacked too for this to work.
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My vote on Tiruin is pretty obviously not very serious given that I admitted while doing it that it was randomly placed from among six candidates. And if you check my roleflip, I have a role that exiles players for a phase then returns them to the game. I didn't use it on OSG, but it seems reasonable that if it's similar to my power it wouldn't just get rid of him forever....So did you use it on OSG- oh.
So what did you do anyway? :v[/quote]
Something else ;)
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Thoughts on a massclaim?Well, we know that everyone that isn't one of the already-known outsiders/allies is going to claim town. Unless there are people that can confirm player's claimed actions it's a little pointless at the moment.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 20, 2016, 01:48:15 am
Good lord too many things to reply to via phone. /not actually reading things... eventuallyWell, I can remove him for a phase, but that'd require predicting when the game will end. If you lose the Ragshake spawning role, do you know what your wincon will become?
Anyway, most salient (other than DA's vote, so unvote, for the moment) was Tiruin's demands for my wincon.
One of my roles (reply... 404? has either my flip or a link to it, will correct that if it's wrong tomorrow. Late and tired) is an instant loss while Ragshake wins. Ragshake wins by being in the game, and he's in the game whether alive or dead, so yeah. I voted for 'im, no feckin' closer to figuring out how to remove him from the game.
Perhaps the new NPCs have something to do with it?/thinking out loud
Tiruin:
So what did you do anyway? :vActually, I guess there's not much point in not answering this. I had a suspicion that Ragshake would be coming back, so I took his toys away. If he does come back, he won't be able to Ragvote any more.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 02:38:23 am
Uh, I mean massclaim = claiming what people did :vQuoteThoughts on a massclaim?Well, we know that everyone that isn't one of the already-known outsiders/allies is going to claim town. Unless there are people that can confirm player's claimed actions it's a little pointless at the moment.
How's about me forcing you into a standzone where if-you-are-cult, it is prevented by an order of logic?The Fell Dragon, Grima. (http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Grima_%28character%29)
(Auto) Endgame Boss: The rest of the abilities in this role do not function until the start of the fourth day.
(Day) SILENCE, MORTAL [target]: You kill the target. This ability does not function while another ability is in play.
(Night) I AM THE END [Target]: You kill the target.
(2-shot, Night) YOU CANNOT SLAY WHAT MAY NEVER DIE: You come back to life. This functions only when you are dead.The FHPBYOR2 Role That Puts People Up For Replacement Instead Of Killing Them
(Auto) Should you Kill: Any kill attempt you make gives the player 4 temporary infractions that expire at the end of the next day phase.
As for what I plan to do with them... selectively disabling the powers of people I think are scum seems pretty useful. Forcing someone to get modkilled also seems useful. So I'll probably do that.
You kill the person dictated in the set of people who probably-aren't-the-cult-leader. :3
Why I say so is because
1. I fail math.
[2 mafia]+[2 cult] = 4 scum.(Yeaaah I'm dum >_>)
But that hilariously means 3 town and 1 Outsider :v and I'm sure as fish that I'm town [barring a role I have that makes me silly :V]
But anyway. Logic time.
There are 9 players here. (Maybe barring yourself since you see 8? :V).
I'm grouping them into the roles we initially know, to seek out the C. Lead.
Tawarochir = ?
TheDarkStar = ?
The Moonlit Shadow = Possibility due to not having posted yet :v
Tiruin = I acted last night on Tawarochir; if I'm suspected to be the cult leader, that means I'm tied with him--I however have BLOCKED his [unconventional] action and he must have received a note from that, so awaiting his notice.
4maskwolf = ?
Shakerag = ?
Teneb = ?
Deus Asmoth = Is Grima. Can Daykill. Then the dude that gets killed has infractions.
TolyK (II) = Cannot act; is not cult leader [unless hilarity means he can act despite being infraction'd.]
Hector13 (I) = Outsider.
*FallacyOfUrist has not come back to life? Is TolyK the reviver then? [since he can't act and nobody has been revivified] :V
You have 7 choices.
...Which means everyone but Hector. Since everyone but me didn't claim what they did last night :V
That, or you kill the NPCs and we see what role they've got. (Which would help a TON if a massclaim is a yes).
Post by: hector13 on February 20, 2016, 02:51:24 am
Flabort did cross out town-ally before naming me an outsider, so... Perhaps I need town to win too? That one is speculation though.
Seeing as I can't sleep again:
My wincon remains removing Ragshake from the game.Why aren't you a lyncher then?
Also do you agree with the massclaim? Since [from my perspective] that seems the best way (even in the face of the mafia) to get coordinated here.
Massclaim at this point is... unpredictable, I think. 4mask has given us a list of roles, arguably confirmed when flabort admitted making a mistake in the number of townies. However, bastard kinda game, so the list may not be accurate, or 4mask is not town, the latter being exacerbated by 4mask's penchant for the gambit, so it may not actually be useful as a guideline.
Assuming it is: we know I'm the outsider, and Tumbleweed is town-ally, meaning there are 11 alignments up for grabs, and 4 anti-town players to grab them. Doesn't seem like terribly good odds for the town.
PPE: fuck it, ignore the previous two paragraphs :P PFP so no changes.
Massclaim as you suggest would be not useful at this point I think. 80 roles in the game with God knows what abilities attached split among... 10 actual players and a handful of NPCs? Even though we know my roles and DAs, there's still a ridiculous amount of room for someone to fabricate a role. If my suspicions of Tumbleweed being an investigation magnet are true, then we can't even rely on watchers/trackers or the like to confirm any particular claim :o
I'm presently bemused by DA's voting of Tiruin. I can't see that being a serious vote given he's basically saying "I have nothing but a likely flawed statistical analysis based on an incomplete data set and many, many assumptions to support my vote on Tiruin."There're stuffs like pressure voting :P I've in my notebook that people do that sometimes to initiate conversation with others especially when the context is lacking.
Like, seriously bro?
Anything of content for him there?
Anything for the rest of us?
Mmm... Having thought about it a bit, it doesn't seem like a very good pressure vote for two reasons:
1. The purported reason for the vote was tremendously easy for the votee to dismiss it, which kinda defeats the purpose of putting pressure on someone.
b) You've been probably the most active player (haven't checked, but I read lots of your posts) so it should be - relative to all us lurky bastards - quite easy to get a read on you. The pressure would thus be better served on one of the other five implied suspects.
Might also be some distancing going on between you two. /thorough
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 02:56:00 am
Massclaim as you suggest would be not useful at this point I think. 80 roles in the game with God knows what abilities attached split among... 10 actual players and a handful of NPCs? Even though we know my roles and DAs, there's still a ridiculous amount of room for someone to fabricate a role. If my suspicions of Tumbleweed being an investigation magnet are true, then we can't even rely on watchers/trackers or the like to confirm any particular claim :oI'm a fish on mud. Plop plop plop x_x
Sorry for poking massclaim (I was thinking exactly that as above, but thought 'massclaim' instead of 'action claim')
Might also be some distancing going on between you two. /thoroughSure, I'd distance myself from someone who started the game as town. :P (Also I did some thinking back there and decided to indulge a baseline that Flabort won't bring in bastard-y roles that 'show {x} alignment on roleflip [but actually {y} alignment!]'), so it's pretty much why I didn't VOTE DA but instead fingered him--because he is not Mafia, and in the least "could" be cult.
Post by: hector13 on February 20, 2016, 03:05:20 am
I'm sure someone claimed an ability to force flips to be true. I'd check but... phone and tired unsleep :( I think it was TDS or DA. Maybe Tolyk...
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 03:43:29 am
Day 1 "daykill" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792045;topicseen#msg6792045) {Deus Asmoth}
Day 1 End (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6798420#msg6798420)
Night 1 End/Day 2 Skip (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520) {NQT/Hector13}
Night 2 End (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6806719#msg6806719) {FallacyOfUrist}
Day 3 End (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6816852#msg6816852) {Ragshake}
Night 3 End (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6820982#msg6820982) {No mention of disappearing Ragshake; Hello 2 new NPCs}
This post'll have the Flabort-post-roleflip-links since they're unavailable on the OP :O
At least you're thinking about advancing the game. Some town-cred there regardless of your alignment :PPlayer-cred, really. :P
I'm thinking everyone else is scum (or at least CULT SCUM) because I've got little to nothing on nuuuubuddy, and because discussion is about roles and ???
I'm sure someone claimed an ability to force flips to be true. I'd check but... phone and tired unsleep :( I think it was TDS or DA. Maybe Tolyk...Oh, thanks for cuing my memory.
...I somehow find myself agreeing with that but when using the searchengine, can't find a post that supports it.
Maybe it's just my memory o_O
Also nudging you, TDS. You're a very important natural person here. (And then TDS was cult leader because he survived past N1 :P)
Anyway, my set of roles appears to be some kind of giant joke - I'm unkillable and can't win until killed and I prevent a bunch of other things from happening.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 20, 2016, 03:51:45 am
(TDS, right?) claimed an "accurate inspection for everyone" role.
No, it just forces roleflips to be accurate.
Post by: TolyK on February 20, 2016, 09:14:09 am
Right. Ugh.
TolykNope, my infractions come in fours. My role has already flipped, you know. This shouldn't be a shock.Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.Oh so it was you?
-.-
This deserves some attention, IMO.flabort, if an NPC is given four infractions, can they be replaced by a PC?o.O
I... guess...
Flabort:
1) If a PC is replaced, can they still post in quicktopics?
2) Does their replacement get their infractions replaced?
3) Can a replaced player replace the player that replaced them?
4) If a player is modkilled (via 6 infractions), can they be revived?
5) If (4) happens, do they end up with 0 infractions and have their powers work?
6) If a player is killed and they end up with 0 infractions and their powers would cause them to not die, what exactly happens?
7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?
8) Is this too many questions? :P
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 09:37:18 am
8) Is this too many questions? :PThe smiley was intentional I believe? :v
But yeah. Day chat has been going on and it's more banter than scumhunting.
Or me overreacting to a short time passing. Will make a full re-read later on. [Though given the lack of a lurkertracker, I'm really feeling that Tawarochir, 4maskwolf, Shakerag must post more when able, please.]
DA: Content with your vote on me?
(It's like nobody saw me asking reads)
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 09:48:24 am
Thoughts on the massclaim?I think it may be time.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 10:44:07 am
Alright just PFP'ing here (sleep. morning post later).
Flabort: Made a few mistakes, but doing pretty good as far as 80 roles are concerned IMO. Don't know if we can believe him, however.Anything he did catch your eye? Expound on what you mean by the last sentence, thanks.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 20, 2016, 12:14:11 pm
Also, I may as well tell you all some of the other things I know: Tumbling Tumbleweed is an inspection magnet, or else someone has an inspection-magnetizing power and continually uses it on Tumbleweed, but I have an auto that allows me to get around that.
Re: enough infractions for mod kill:I'd rather you not, I like living thank you very much.
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 01:00:52 pm
I meant the 'Shakerag confirmed town' part.Where did you get that from? I have proven repeatedly my ability to overlook things, but I saw no indication that Shakerag is confirmed town. Right now, we only have perhaps OSG as confirmed town (DA might've been converted).
On the topic of OSG, I figured out how he vanished. He'll be back N4, I think. How do I know that? I am the "role exchanger" both him and Tiruin commented on. I can trade any role of my to a random role of a target. The one I traded to OSG had a one-shot night action that takes the user out of the game for one night and one day. I also have another power that lets me get the powers I traded back. Last night I tried to get it back, since I wanted to use it N4, but he went and made it mostly useless.
On the matter of role-trading, the one Tiruin has prevents her from having her alignment revealed on death. She also had the only daykill in the game (now mine, but I can't use it today).
I suppose you could lynch me to make me confirmed town (I'd come back to life), but that would be a waste of a lynch.
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 01:02:16 pm
Tiruin: Why did you daykill DA in D1?
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 01:21:57 pm
Flabort once said that Shakerag was confirmed town.Could you quote or at least say where Flabort confirmed Shakerag?
DA died from opening the box or Orden. Seems kinda hard to miss, if you went back.
DA did die and roleflipped. But he's been alive for one night, and in that night there was a cult conversion. It could've been him, or anyone else but Hector (there is still an outsider).
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 01:31:06 pm
Actually, he was revived on D4. So he wasn't actually alive last night. So it's not him.No, he didn't. He revived D2 (brief as it was). Look (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520). DA even corrected me about it:
No, I'm alive now. What is dead may never die and all that.
And here's where Flabort said that: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6815971#msg6815971I hope it is true (bastard game an all), but okay.
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 01:42:11 pm
Teneb:The tangent was figuring out if they were anti-town (in behaviour, if not in wincon).Guessing whether the NPCs are whatever is irrelevant; they are based on ROLES which is why they exist. Could I ask why you're rolling into that tangent? :O8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.I am going to take a guess that both NPCs are town. We had 2 mafia at the end of the last day. The second cult member can be explained by a conversion in the night, since the NPCs certainly were not in play then. Hector is the confirmed outsider and tumbleweed is the town-ally.
I guess the question is if the NPCs are disruptive like Ragshake or not.
Could I also ask you your main overview of the game thus far?
My overview is that it is going to be a pain for anyone to win. I expect a long, long game.
Furthermore, we need to find a way to completely remove this role from the game:
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Mandatory Shakeragian ShenanigansIt belonged to NQT.
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
While looking at NQT's votes, I realized that he was killed by OSG. NQT had this role:
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ShakeragAnd OSG had an ability (taken by me in D3) that exclusively targets Shakerag (with a kill, block or redirect (chosen by user)).
(Auto) You are Shakerag: Any abilities that only function when targeting Shakerag, or that automatically target Shakerag, affect you too.
(Night) I'm 'a chargin' my Shaker!: Gain a Rag Token. You start with 0 Rag Tokens.
This is further confirmed by Shakerag's comment here, that seems to imply that there was a kill attempt on him.
Eat me, spectators.
Sure, I could be wrong, but I find that unlikely.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 20, 2016, 02:06:28 pm
TDS: Has a kill. He basically asked us to lynch him D1, so now we think he's unlynchable. Not sure if anyone tried to kill him. It's possible he has a role that makes him unlynchable on D1, however.
Only two posts so far today are about the new NPC's. And not too important posts either. I think he's scummy. He's got us to think that he's unlynchable, which is huge for scum (and not exactly huge for town, why town want to waste a lynch like that).
TDS: I'd like to know what those other things you prevent from happening are.
The important powers/autos I have are these: preventing anyone from winning, lynch and kill immunity, forcing accurate roleflips, and allowing spectator kills (and I think this might have caused you to see that I have a kill. Either that or the Box of Orden). Also I can roleblock a bunch of times (but only once) and I can do some silly things with other people's night actions.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on February 20, 2016, 02:27:17 pm
BUT THAT WON'T MATTER
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Tiruin: Recall my role, Eevee, which caused any kill targeted at me to be randomly redirected. I think you're mafia that tried shooting me. Since I'm dead, this vote is a bit symbolic, but it gets the point across, yes/no?
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What happened the night I died: Someone gave me another copy of the HORRIBLE ROLE(the role that flabort gives to people who have annoyed him) the previous night, and as such I couldn't use other night actions- including Dodge. Splat. I attempted to give both of my copies of the HORRIBLE ROLE to TolyK, but only one of that action succeeded, the other... got turned into a kill, randomized, then turned into a protect.
Freaky, that.
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Also, I was the one who resurrected Deus Asmoth.
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It's worth noting that if the mafia would win via endgame, I'm probably going to be the player resurrected.
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I still have one copy of the HORRIBLE ROLE, unfortunately. That means I cannot win.
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It does potentially make a horrible exploit possible, however.
It all depends on the definition of a spectator.
If a player cannot win the game, cannot act, basically cannot participate... that player may as well count as a spectator, yes?
7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?Also this. I'd like this question answered.
So my question is this: If a player/NPC got four infractions, could I replace in for that player?
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Sure, maybe not... but it's worth a shot.
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A note to all players: I have a non-shotted resurrect. Could somebody(perhaps the person with A Necromancer With a Jetpack and a Bazooka) revive me? For the good of the town(and me, I want to ditch the win jammer)?
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My role submissions were as thus:
Age of Mythology: Nidhogg
Dwarf Druid Fiery Doublevoting Zombie Ninja Pirate Robot Doctor Spiderman Shakerag Mummy Dinosaur Supreme King Of Everything Necromancer Psychologist Samurai Witch Doctor Medium Ghastly Creeping Vine Master Weapons Salesman Vampire Cultist Jester Time Lord Paladin Duelist Fireman CPR Instructor Santa Claus Plot Manipulator Soulbound Quicktopic Maker Flabort's Nightmare Dude
Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka
The Role That Creates a "Shakerag's Evil Twin" NPC
The Role That Forces All Roleflips Upon Death To Be Utterly Complete
The Role That Adds Dwarf Fortress Mechanics To the Game
The Role That Adds The Three Boxes of Orden To the Game
Dog's Best Friend
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I'm still not sure why I submitted some of these.
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Please? Resurrect me?
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Also, another question: What happens when a dead player gets 4 infractions? What happens when a dead player gets 6 infractions?
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Also, it would be nice if the players who haven't posted for a while post.
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Sargent: If you resurrect me, I'll join your squad as a recruit. Sound fair?
Post by: TolyK on February 20, 2016, 02:40:46 pm
Quote from: FOU
Necromancer with a Jetpack and a BazookaI think we found the reviver.
Quote from: FOU
I'm still not sure why I submitted some of these.Uh-huh.
Either way, this is basically what happens with the infraction system, Flabort. :>
@Fallacy about infractions: Then you've ruined the game."Ruined" is sort-of a strong word here. He hasn't given game-breaking info, or ratted out teammares or anything. Plus, if I had lived through, I'd add him to a merry little chat as well.
Post by: TolyK on February 20, 2016, 02:49:37 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 20, 2016, 02:51:34 pm
I can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?I haven't been keeping up with the game much, but flabort prompted me to do something last night. I remembered there was a lot of suspicion on TolyK so I used a power of mine on him; it was late and I was too tired to check the thread for updates on his status. I'll explain about the power in a moment.
Tawarochir -- lacking posts/content to develop an experiential read; is not the cult leader as far as I know what happened since my action was successful on him.
Tawarochir: What did you do last night? I'd like to know because I checked up on you--and your unconventional ability.
Tawa: Poofed. Either lurking or blocked. I'd say lurking since there's no reason to block him - we want more content. So... I dunno. We'll see if he shows up.I'm here! Again, sorry for my inactivity.
So, anyway. The power I used was judgement. It kills somebody if they kill anybody. It can't be prevented. Sorry, Tir, but you did nothing. Not sure where TolyK stands at the moment, but he didn't kill anybody last night.
DA. What. What? Random chance? Why?
Day action: Eat notquitethere's soul.
For everybody's information: I have a power from submitting Flabort as a role that lets me eat a dead player's soul. By doing this, I prevent his revival and get one of his powers. Can't hurt to permanently remove a mafioso, right?
I'll try to post something more cohesive later, I'm a little occupied right now.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 08:42:52 pm
Now people are MASSCLAIMING, but then no ACTIONS.
:V
Now that I think about it, DA was killed D1 and Tiruin had the only daykill (it says on the role it is the only daykill, if you are wondering), so...
Tiruin: Why did you daykill DA in D1?
Tiruin: Recall my role, Eevee, which caused any kill targeted at me to be randomly redirected. I think you're mafia that tried shooting me. Since I'm dead, this vote is a bit symbolic, but it gets the point across, yes/no?Tiruin can has facepalms?
Substantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.
Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821935#msg6821935) <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.
I also ensured that Shakerag's (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821684;topicseen#msg6821684) confirming-ming was linked so everyone could see (upon the notice from other peeps in the post linked there).
@_@ You ok DS? I'm suspecting this is a RL thingy that popped up given the...information blackout being the content of your posts.
Furthermore, we need to find a way to completely remove this role from the game:I'm at least happy to see that despite missing my posts, there's something that goes parallel to a query I asked earlier :V [because I feel ignored and such]QuoteMandatory Shakeragian ShenanigansIt belonged to NQT.
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
This is further confirmed by Shakerag's comment here, that seems to imply that there was a kill attempt on him.Shaekrag is right there. I believe it is better to talk to the person rather than bring up what he says with unclear or vague content. Which is something Shakerag should acknowledgeEat me, spectators.
Sure, I could be wrong, but I find that unlikely.
FoU: How the fish are you even alive or being able to post when you're not even in the Flabort List Roster? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6820982#msg6820982) Flabort, confirm please.
If you can recall--I already posted what I did N2; (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6812659#msg6812659) if you can do better than throw out an assumption plus a weird vote (like poking WHAT I SAID and strangely targeting me out of noooowhere :V), I'd be less exasperated than what.
TDS: I'd like to know what those other things you prevent from happening are.
You need to expound on that one. I kept notes and tabs on you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821935#msg6821935) and somehow this 'kill' immunity pops up? That's one high-powered package there with all those roles.TDS: Has a kill. He basically asked us to lynch him D1, so now we think he's unlynchable. Not sure if anyone tried to kill him. It's possible he has a role that makes him unlynchable on D1, however.
Only two posts so far today are about the new NPC's. And not too important posts either. I think he's scummy. He's got us to think that he's unlynchable, which is huge for scum (and not exactly huge for town, why town want to waste a lynch like that).
The important powers/autos I have are these: preventing anyone from winning, lynch and kill immunity, forcing accurate roleflips, and allowing spectator kills (and I think this might have caused you to see that I have a kill. Either that or the Box of Orden). Also I can roleblock a bunch of times (but only once) and I can do some silly things with other people's night actions.
TDS for cult leader 2016.
TolyK
I've also realized that I haven't answered some questions/comments. There ended up a lot of them, so I'll answer them tomorrow morning. Quickie tho: 4maskwolf "hunch" was that he was faking his alignment inspection role, but it currently seems legitimate to me. I am still town, still can't do anything b/c of the garbage roles, not sure if I'm still killable tho.I still wish to know 'What-the-HILARITY' (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6816169;topicseen#msg6816169) you and 4mask were vaguepoking each other there for.
P.S. It goes both ways. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6815610#msg6815610)
EXTEND.
So, anyway. The power I used was judgement. It kills somebody if they kill anybody. It can't be prevented. Sorry, Tir, but you did nothing. Not sure where TolyK stands at the moment, but he didn't kill anybody last night.
Spoiler: Excuse me but (click to show/hide)
You've got some 'splaining to do, punk. That is obviously a kill action, and it is obviously written in FlabortTM that the block was successful.
Being "can't be prevented" is not an alibi in this case, which I scrutinizingly poured over in reading that one ability.
Massclaim later because PFP and I've to dig through my PMs over days of other PMs here.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 08:54:43 pm
As a GM, what in the world ref? What gives?
FoU if you can still bloody post, what the heck is with the subtle 'oh noooez I'm not really ded nope not matter' ONLY AT D4 when you died before D3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6806719#msg6806719) and you choose to only speak now?
If anyone has a blasted dead-chat power and is doing this, just ugh you guys. It's not me complaining because of the possibility of that power, but on FoU's attitude -___-
Also that's a pretty bastard ability to be able to do that.
If I'm right in reading your post: You resurrected DA on N1. N2 you resurrected Hector. Confirm?
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 08:59:27 pm
Well then.It feels so conspicuous though. Dead person comes back to post without any indication by FLABORT otherwise, dumps a load of post, overlyrespectfully asks to be revived [pls], and gives a throwaway vote without content (without context), and purely (IMO) to serve as smokescreen because I talked about my actions beforehand and they don't even get mentioned! (And somehow I get picked out of the everyone else? COME ON)Quote from: FOUNecromancer with a Jetpack and a BazookaI think we found the reviver.
What's so annoying is the mention of previousroleflips: I'm inclined to see FoU as non-Mafia [because he flipped TOWN] but that indicates TDS note back there wherein he's the origin. His word says 'all roleflips are accurate' but what the fish. The people who recently 'revived' are acting very sporadic. <_> [And/or my annoyance and/or mood.]
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 20, 2016, 09:17:27 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 09:21:09 pm
Tiruin: There's no deadchat, btw.That's what I was thinking. Looking at FoU the only method he could've actually done that is
> Newbie thoughts? [I may be revived later so it doesn't matter anyway] {Guessing he's thinking he'll just get an infraction?}
> Some player PM'd him. Now THIS requires Mod consent because I as far as I know am the only other person who can PM another player without the Mod's consent with an ability that takes action as soon as the PM is sent [obv PMing Flabort too]; never used it though.
> Some player PM'd via Flabort.
> Someone did a TOlyk-thing [Quicktopic-esque thing?]
Eh. PFPing. Going back later.
Tawa: That role seems pretty bullshit. It makes the most sense for it to be an auto (as it seems like you have to use it the same night that your target kills), but then it would kill scum every time they NK'd. So it'd be impossible for scum to win, thus game balance means that role is, overpowered. Because if there isn't a prevention for it... most of my roles are actually pretty shit, so I wouldn't know ;PIt makes sense to be an action, rather than an auto, really. If you target someone with an unblockable thing that kills them if they do kill, it's considerably more important to make that an action [maybe a one-shot].
...
Flabort: On distributing the roles, along with the base '2' roles people submitted [if they only submitted 2], did you randomly pick and roll who to send what to?
I asked flabort about posting while dead after I opened the box. You get one infraction for the first post and three for any subsequent ones. I didn't find out what the result of dead players getting infractions is, but presumably they can still get replaced."Oh let's post everything in giant posts for the result of one infraction" >_>
<_<
And this info isn't even being disclosed until NOW (as far as I read).
This is just.
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 09:24:47 pm
Substantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.I did read that. I fail to see how that refutes the fact that you killed DA during D1. You had the only daykill then and you (seemingly) killed him at random. If you can justify the kill, I may find reason to remove my vote.
Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821935#msg6821935) <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.
Also yeah, I'm fine. Overly hot (I felt physically unwell yesterday because holy crap it was too hot), but well now that most tests (for now) are behind me.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 09:27:08 pm
Can I flop now? :vSubstantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.I did read that. I fail to see how that refutes the fact that you killed DA during D1. You had the only daykill then and you (seemingly) killed him at random. If you can justify the kill, I may find reason to remove my vote.
Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821935#msg6821935) <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.
Also yeah, I'm fine. Overly hot (I felt physically unwell yesterday because holy crap it was too hot), but well now that most tests (for now) are behind me.
Did you read that DA opened the box and he killed himself? Please back up your facts before you push those facts to impose on others under the label of 'fact'.
Glad to know you're better.
Post by: Teneb on February 20, 2016, 09:27:51 pm
Herp fucking derp I am a moron. Kill me now.Can I flop now? :vSubstantial proof that people don't read -_- or are being deliberately obfuscating.I did read that. I fail to see how that refutes the fact that you killed DA during D1. You had the only daykill then and you (seemingly) killed him at random. If you can justify the kill, I may find reason to remove my vote.
Teneb: I linked the EVERYTHING with kills/deaths/whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821935#msg6821935) <<<< here. Please tell me what led you to posting that.
Also yeah, I'm fine. Overly hot (I felt physically unwell yesterday because holy crap it was too hot), but well now that most tests (for now) are behind me.
Did you read that DA opened the box and he killed himself? Please back up your facts before you push those facts to impose on others under the label of 'fact'.
Glad to know you're better.
Unvote
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 09:32:17 pm
Herp fucking derp I am a moron. Kill me now.Everyone knows it's a mistake :P *pat pat*
Unvote
But that was quiiiick.
Post by: Tawa on February 20, 2016, 10:38:20 pm
Tawa: That role seems pretty bullshit. It makes the most sense for it to be an auto (as it seems like you have to use it the same night that your target kills), but then it would kill scum every time they NK'd. So it'd be impossible for scum to win, thus game balance means that role is, overpowered. Because if there isn't a prevention for it... most of my roles are actually pretty shit, so I wouldn't know ;PIt's a target skill, you silly.
WHATTawarochir, your action is a KILL. I have word that my roleblock worked and yet it is also an unconventional roleblock. It is a roleblock that blocks the target from using any abilities that are NOT Kill/Doctor/Cop/Roleblock/Jailkeep.Spoiler: Excuse me but (click to show/hide)
You've got some 'splaining to do, punk. That is obviously a kill action, and it is obviously written in FlabortTM that the block was successful.
Being "can't be prevented" is not an alibi in this case, which I scrutinizingly poured over in reading that one ability.
WE GETTING OUR SOCRATES JONES ON NOW?
WELL WE'LL NEED DRAMATIC MUSIC IN THAT CASE (https://soundcloud.com/bleakprospects/socrates-jones-ost-intense?in=bleakprospects/sets/socrates-jones-ost)
So, anyway. Let me get this straight. Your roleblock stops anybody from using a power that isn't kill, doctor, cop, roleblock/jailbreak, right? Were you told you were successful, or that my action failed? And it says that I was "interrupted" and blocked; perhaps I was targeted by you and somebody else?
Either that, or you're lying, Tiruin. Or possibly somebody has a role that stops me from doing something.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 10:40:17 pm
So, anyway. Let me get this straight. Your roleblock stops anybody from using a power that isn't kill, doctor, cop, roleblock/jailbreak, right? Were you told you were successful, or that my action failed? And it says that I was "interrupted" and blocked; perhaps I was targeted by you and somebody else?It says I was successful :o So you pretty much did not do a Kill/Doctor/Cop/Roleblock/Jailkeep.
Either that, or you're lying, Tiruin. Or possibly somebody has a role that stops me from doing something.
Post by: Tiruin on February 20, 2016, 10:50:54 pm
Flabort: What does 'successful' mean when pertaining to an action with limitations?
Post by: Tawa on February 20, 2016, 10:52:09 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 12:00:51 am
DA: Probably town. As confirmed. Possible rolechange (I guess, always a possibility in these games), but he can't be the Cult leader. Could be cultist. His kills can't be protected from, but replace the target instead.What exactly are you trying to say here? Am I probably town or not? If so, why do you want to lynch and/or kill me in the first place?QuoteI'm scum hunting right now. Effectively? Perhaps not. But in a fashion that amuses me, which is much better.
Stated that he's not exactly scumhunting at his best. Worrying... especially when you realize all the commotion that his scumhunting stirs up, which only gets people to suspect him, which is bad for the town. On the other hand, he doesn't feel too urgent. Which... normally, I wouldn't say is a terrible thing, but since there's a Cult Leader, that's pretty big. I'd give him a scummy lean because he is outright making himself seem scummy. Scum usually wouldn't do that, however, and there lies a problem. Still, he's wasting time.
Also: With his logic, no one is going to vote with him. Doesn't seem like he's actually scum hunting.
And it's gonna be hard to kill him. He still has a revive. If we lynch him, we're basically roleblocking him for a night.
Tawa, does eating NQT's soul prevent his other roles from working?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 12:02:58 am
Sargent and Griffin, what alignment are you?
Post by: TolyK on February 21, 2016, 12:13:15 am
I used a kill power. There's either a third party, or TolyK has a power that's screwing with our results.... why me, specifically? I have only made chats at night and tried not to die, so I don't see how I got into all this.
Post by: flabort on February 21, 2016, 01:06:45 am
Flabort:1) Due to hopefully any replacements being due to lack of activity, this won't come up. If it does, I think so.
1) If a PC is replaced, can they still post in quicktopics?
2) Does their replacement get their infractions replaced?
3) Can a replaced player replace the player that replaced them?
4) If a player is modkilled (via 6 infractions), can they be revived?
5) If (4) happens, do they end up with 0 infractions and have their powers work?
6) If a player is killed and they end up with 0 infractions and their powers would cause them to not die, what exactly happens?
7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?
8) Is this too many questions? :P
2) Infractions reset to 0 on death or replacement.
3) OK.
4) Hmmm... Yes.
5) Yes, and just a reminder that powers are only frozen by infractions for a single cycle.
6) They don't die, so their infractions stay
7) Huh? Question does not sense.
8) *shrugs*
If you previously occupied that player slot, I guess. I don't know in what situation an NPC would have replaced into your player slot, but anything's possible. I never foresaw this line of questioning.7) Can dead players take non-targeted actions?Also this. I'd like this question answered.
So my question is this: If a player/NPC got four infractions, could I replace in for that player?
Also, another question: What happens when a dead player gets 4 infractions? What happens when a dead player gets 6 infractions?Why would you ASK this?! I don't know!
*goes crazy thinking about it*
Oh, wait. 4 infractions is still replacement.
6, though.... not sure. Perhaps being twice-dead? (requiring twice the revives to revive?)
Quote from: SARGENT
Sargent: If you resurrect me, I'll join your squad as a recruit. Sound fair?AFFIRMATIVE PRIVATE ZOMBIE FALLACY. I AM NOT A MEDIC, THOUGH, AND CANNOT CURE DEAD
Day action: Eat notquitethere's soul.EVENT!
Nothing happens. NQT remains dead but in the game, but dead.
Flabort: On distributing the roles, along with the base '2' roles people submitted [if they only submitted 2], did you randomly pick and roll who to send what to?Yes. It's the design of the setup.
Flabort: What does 'successful' mean when pertaining to an action with limitations?It means successful. Define "limitations". Sorry for being curt, but I need more context; Are you asking whether or not the claimed power is directly or indirectly a kill power, or whether it counts as one for the purposes of your power, or what? Because I can't answer questions about specific powers here, or about other people's powers in PM.
Quote from: THE GRIFFIN
Also:RAAR buck buck
Sargent and Griffin, what alignment are you?
Quote from: THE SARGENT
Also:NEVER REVEAL YOUR ALIGENCES TO THE ENEMY, PRIVATE. 20 laps around the subforum, GO GO GO!
Sargent and Griffin, what alignment are you?
Extension votes: 1/4
Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin: Deus Asmoth,
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Deus Asmoth: Tawarochir,
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, TheMoonlitShadow, TheMoonlitShadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Teneb, TolyK, Hector13, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Oh, and FallacyofUrist gets an Infraction for dead-anti-lurking (Posting while dead is treated as lurking, in reverse; a second attempt will yield 3 infractions, leading to replacement).
Day ends Tuesday afternoon, in about ~64 hours
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 01:27:50 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 02:04:47 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 02:12:32 pm
In any case, I have some interesting information. I tried to perform an action on our Sargent, which just failed. Sarge, what's your game?
Post by: TolyK on February 21, 2016, 02:18:42 pm
Ineffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
(OR HE'S A JESTER!!!1! /jokes)
I feel really shitty (headache etc.) so I'll answer the standing questions directed to me and yeah.
Votecount pls.I had another one, but FallacyofUrist revealed early D1 that he had a copy of the role (indirectly), so I gave it to him N1.So, you started with one, gave it to FoU, and eventually...
Hold up. Hold right on up.
I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.
Care to explain what this hunch of yours is, or are you happy to leave it ambiguous so you can get away with just about any explanation later?
Tolyk: Yes, I'd like to know too.I suspected 4mask being the original infraction-giver, who I believed was anti-town, and of faking the "which alignments are at the beginning of the day" role. This is also partially because I said something about a cult, and there, magically, was a cult alignment.
I still have these suspicions, but for some reason I've lessed them a bit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Very in-line to have 2 cult members with his previous claim:
8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.So I dunno what to make of it.
Tiruin: Those huge sentences with interjections sometimes burn my reading comprehension out. :P
Anyway! Someone exchanged with me a role that I most likely believe they knew the name of (hint: It's specifically dealing with what happened yesterday--and given the shift of mention today,Did you give any more info about this?
Quote from: Tiruin
I can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?Not quite sure how what you did rules it out, tho.
Quote from: Tiruin
I'm basically asking everyone's reads as of this moment. Also is massclaiming a good idea? I'm all for that too.I'm ok for claiming like 90% of my role. The 10% would be insurance. ;) Actions I have already claimed (2 chats).
I also would like to forward the idea of those who have flipped TOWN to claim everything they did earlier that they are comfy with [ie Basically claiming anything that helps narrow down the scum-spects] because this works as a double-edge for them if they have revived under another alignment[/b]
Quote from: Tiruin's Reads
TMS -- Newbie. I'm leaning neutral because despite the >_>'y ness of his posts, he reminds me of TolyK.:D
Quote from: Tiruin's Reads
TolyK -- >_> I don't know anymore. He's been a hectic bunch of tumbleweeds [mafia-relation not meant; figurative mention really meant.] because of his attitude the whole game. HOWEVER I don't think he's Mafia given his blatant outrightness in going 'everyone can win! I need notes on the Mafia ;D' <_> Though I usually assume that Mafia = teamplay and his play is...not team-oriented. Especially with that presumed 'Nuke-in-a-box' he's holding; still doesn't strike somewhat town-y because HE HASN'T USED IT. A very noteful thing for later on.Elaborated harder, ma'am.I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.Elaborate harder, now.
Quote from: Tiruin
TolyK (II): Since you can speak, and since you can boat, update on your current everything-you-can-tell.I initially thought you were scum for suggesting this. NQT didn't elaborate. :P
I've also realized that nobody can win while NQT is...existing. I have a power to wipe him from existence but it activates only at night (inclusive with his roles--so he's basically not playing, as far as I know).
However, apparently it's difficult to remove him from the game, given the day event.
You kill the person dictated in the set of people who probably-aren't-the-cult-leader. :3Oh, so scum #'s and cult #'s are the same, and scum + cult = town + outsider? Whoo! :D
Why I say so is because
1. I fail math.[2 mafia]+[2 cult] = 4 scum.(Yeaaah I'm dum >_>)
But that hilariously means 3 town and 1 Outsider :v and I'm sure as fish that I'm town [barring a role I have that makes me silly :V]
But anyway. Logic time.
There are 9 players here. (Maybe barring yourself since you see 8? :V).
I'm grouping them into the roles we initially know, to seek out the C. Lead.
Tawarochir = ?
TheDarkStar = ?
The Moonlit Shadow = Possibility due to not having posted yet :v
Tiruin = I acted last night on Tawarochir; if I'm suspected to be the cult leader, that means I'm tied with him--I however have BLOCKED his [unconventional] action and he must have received a note from that, so awaiting his notice.
4maskwolf = ?
Shakerag = ?
Teneb = ?
Deus Asmoth = Is Grima. Can Daykill. Then the dude that gets killed has infractions.
TolyK (II) = Cannot act; is not cult leader [unless hilarity means he can act despite being infraction'd.]
Hector13 (I) = Outsider.
*FallacyOfUrist has not come back to life? Is TolyK the reviver then? [since he can't act and nobody has been revivified] :V
PFPIt was unintentinal, but I kept it when previewing. :>8) Is this too many questions? :PThe smiley was intentional I believe? :v
TDS has a kill.Where do you know this from?
This is probably the best-thought-through list of reads so far. :P :
Quote from: TMS)
Partial reads/alignments/rolestuffs:
DA: Probably town. As confirmed. Possible rolechange (I guess, always a possibility in these games), but he can't be the Cult leader. Could be cultist. His kills can't be protected from, but replace the target instead.
[quote
Partial reads/alignments/rolestuffs:
DA: Probably town. As confirmed. Possible rolechange (I guess, always a possibility in these games), but he can't be the Cult leader. Could be cultist. His kills can't be protected from, but replace the target instead.
[quote
I'm scum hunting right now. Effectively? Perhaps not. But in a fashion that amuses me, which is much better.
Stated that he's not exactly scumhunting at his best. Worrying... especially when you realize all the commotion that his scumhunting stirs up, which only gets people to suspect him, which is bad for the town. On the other hand, he doesn't feel too urgent. Which... normally, I wouldn't say is a terrible thing, but since there's a Cult Leader, that's pretty big. I'd give him a scummy lean because he is outright making himself seem scummy. Scum usually wouldn't do that, however, and there lies a problem. Still, he's wasting time.
Also: With his logic, no one is going to vote with him. Doesn't seem like he's actually scum hunting.
And it's gonna be hard to kill him. He still has a revive. If we lynch him, we're basically roleblocking him for a night.
Tawa: Poofed. Either lurking or blocked. I'd say lurking since there's no reason to block him - we want more content. So... I dunno. We'll see if he shows up.
TDS: Has a kill. He basically asked us to lynch him D1, so now we think he's unlynchable. Not sure if anyone tried to kill him. It's possible he has a role that makes him unlynchable on D1, however.
Only two posts so far today are about the new NPC's. And not too important posts either. I think he's scummy. He's got us to think that he's unlynchable, which is huge for scum (and not exactly huge for town, why town want to waste a lynch like that).
TDS: I'd like to know what those other things you prevent from happening are.
Shakerag: Questionable. Don't trust Flabort saying he's confirmed town, as he also said he's jester. I'm not sure how much we can trust Flabort here.
Generally not very active. A 'eat me' thingy post on D1. Some stuffs on D3 which I don't think was hugely consequential. Feels like he's not here. Could be Cult leader? Wonder if anyone roleblocked him N1. Probably not town due to lack of activity.
Teneb: Is gonna answer some questions soon. Reasonable guess that both new NPC's are town. Unlike Ragshake, these NPC's seem a lot less independent. Don't know if that's Flabort with stuff or something else. Towny lean.
Flabort: Made a few mistakes, but doing pretty good as far as 80 roles are concerned IMO. Don't know if we can believe him, however.
Quote
This seems legit, though. Wonder if that extra town was OSG?QuoteThere's 14 people on that list. There are only 13 players.My mistake. 1 less town then that.
Hector: Outsider. Concerned with Ragshake, as he should be. However, not quite concerned enough to the point that he's reading through the roles carefully to see who can help him. As in, DA. As DA said, that would help him hugely anyway.
Hector: May I ask if you can still use your abilities?
Seems like a disinterested outsider. I mean, I'm one to talk, but still. No scumminess that I can see. Autocorrect wants to change scumminess to yumminess.
[/quote]
Yummy. :D
Quote from: TMS
TolyK: No longer seems to think everyone can win. I think he can use his abilities now - his two infractions only blocked him for last phase. We'll see what changed.I still believe it's possible for everyone to win (or at least most alive people), however I have 0 information on the cult.
He can talk to others, which is a pretty big deal. He's a big cultist target now - he can make a cultchat (assuming that there isn't one). That being said, he can also lie very easily. So... just remember that he could still lie. Just because it's only you and him doesn't mean he can't. And who knows? It might not be only you and him.
If the infraction giver was scum, then he's probably not scum. The only reason I can think of would be to stop one of his auto's if it was a bad auto.
His questions about the NPC infraction stuff is well deserved. However the only other thing he's done is a 'WTF' to DA's random voting which could be a reprimand (though that's dumb, if he wanted to do that he wouldn't have to tell us), or a fake. Since he really didn't back it up.
Neutral lean, a little too jumbled up.
I also don't know who the other two mafia members are (never told :3). However, why the eating-NQT thing failed is unclear. Lots of things still unclear.
At least some of my roles still work. :3
Jeez that was a lot. I don't think there was much content there, either. :-\
Post by: TolyK on February 21, 2016, 02:36:40 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 21, 2016, 02:46:34 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 21, 2016, 03:03:09 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 21, 2016, 03:12:07 pm
Tawa, does eating NQT's soul prevent his other roles from working?Yeah. They get removed from the game entirely.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 21, 2016, 07:29:01 pm
It didn't work though... anyone know why?
Could it have violated one of the anti-win/anti-lose roles?
You roleflipped town. But your play is anti-town. That makes me think you're a cultist, DA.
Explain? Why would you think that someone who flipped town was the cult leader?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 07:57:30 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 08:25:09 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 08:37:11 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 08:58:16 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 21, 2016, 08:59:31 pm
DA while I have TMS under my newbie cardzone, I can see some merit in his case (despite being somewhat mostly based on...your self-description of *being inefficient >_> TMS, expound on that* bit)
TMS, I'm going to make this fairly simple for you. Back that up with something that isn't a petulant excuse or I will daykill you....Seriously.
While I get having a daykill is a nice bit of leverage you can thrust onto people, you're thrusting it...right in people's faces, without the open consideration people have onto OTHERS. While I also get that the orange bit is more of an intimidating force (which in my notes is a characteristic of your general play), there's a...lack of content in your posts thus far. This is somewhat correlational to my 'DA Scumhunting track' because it is narrowed down--not a bad thing (since you're in my green-zone of not being cult lleader//Mafia), but...
You have...like 6+ other targets. "Several" other targets. :v
Maybe it's just me reading and taking every post of TMS in a qualitative way because of how it applies to his thinking and attitude this game thus far (see below)
You said it was ineffective yourself.But you're on my watch list. Even if you are Grima, dear.
TolyK
You're sweet and I love you just as much as anyone else, and the smilies are a topping on me seeing you as my silly playerbuddy [OOC], but bleh. :P
Sorry for purging your reading comprehension :-\ and thanks for having the TolyK patience of reading through it like a nice guy :DIneffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
(OR HE'S A JESTER!!!1! /jokes)
I feel really shitty (headache etc.) so I'll answer the standing questions directed to me and yeah.Tiruin: Those huge sentences with interjections sometimes burn my reading comprehension out. :PAnyway! Someone exchanged with me a role that I most likely believe they knew the name of (hint: It's specifically dealing with what happened yesterday--and given the shift of mention today,Did you give any more info about this?
[1]Quote from: TiruinI can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?Not quite sure how what you did rules it out, tho.
[2]Quote from: TiruinI'm basically asking everyone's reads as of this moment. Also is massclaiming a good idea? I'm all for that too.I'm ok for claiming like 90% of my role. The 10% would be insurance. ;) Actions I have already claimed (2 chats).
I also would like to forward the idea of those who have flipped TOWN to claim everything they did earlier that they are comfy with [ie Basically claiming anything that helps narrow down the scum-spects] because this works as a double-edge for them if they have revived under another alignment[/b]
[2]Quote from: Tiruin's ReadsTolyK -- >_> I don't know anymore. He's been a hectic bunch of tumbleweeds [mafia-relation not meant; figurative mention really meant.] because of his attitude the whole game. HOWEVER I don't think he's Mafia given his blatant outrightness in going 'everyone can win! I need notes on the Mafia ;D' <_> Though I usually assume that Mafia = teamplay and his play is...not team-oriented. Especially with that presumed 'Nuke-in-a-box' he's holding; still doesn't strike somewhat town-y because HE HASN'T USED IT. A very noteful thing for later on.Elaborated harder, ma'am.I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.Elaborate harder, now.
But points!
[1] Not really...because I only received word of it today. Thing is, the role given to me was noted in my PMbox this day start. It had the option to return it to the one sending it to me as a free action, so...I did. And now have my initial role taken from me, back. As far as I know, it seems to be a role-switcher thing, in which the one who switched it (AND HASN"T CLAIMED YET) knows the role.
Now on the 'I most likely believe they knew the name of' bit, that role that was borrowed from me has a very specific name wording that I believe the player who submitted it and it was rolled randomly given, knows, given the instance of how I used it yesterday :P [Seriously.]
[2] ...I targeted Tawarochir last night; while that claim is non-evidence...ial, 4mask did note a change between cult #s. I'ma ssuming the cult leader's action is a night one (because that'd be hilarious if it was DAY), but yeah. While I can't offer any substantial proof that I'm not the cult leader (other than, y'know, telling you I'm not, since that's what anyone would say on bounds of an infraction UNLESS they back it up with cleverness-in-a-way :V), I'm curious how you see me as a possible target.
Y'know, other than connecting me to Tawarochir in a creative way. If that was one possible factor, I'd like to know that too!
4mask: Detail the #s given last N3
[2] 2 chats?
Expound, good sir.
[3] I've recalibrated my notes on you and it's a weird thing with your attitude + the attitude of the roleflippers and the rest. Currently pegging you on a safe/neutral note (which is pretty much in the gray zone given this current instance of discussion) but...you aren't at least the cult leader :V
TMS:
What are you asking DA here? I'm confused by your behavior.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 21, 2016, 09:27:02 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 21, 2016, 10:04:55 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 21, 2016, 11:50:45 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 22, 2016, 12:58:06 am
I still believe it's possible for everyone to win (or at least most alive people), however I have 0 information on the cult.That's some pretty convincing stuff to give you that kind of hope :o
I also don't know who the other two mafia members are (never told :3). However, why the eating-NQT thing failed is unclear. Lots of things still unclear.
At least some of my roles still work. :3
Anywhoo, yay I'm back and typing ready~
Spoiler: My massclaim (click to show/hide)
Okay, quick question TolyK: Why the actual fuck would I fake claim and an ability that is ridiculously easy to check and prove the falsehood of? All it would take is a single neutral-or-friendly-to-town third party that wasn't on my list and I would have been immediately caught out in my lie. I could buy me doing that late in the game, but early on with most of the players still alive in a decently large game? Nope. You either think I'm an idiot, didn't think through the implications of your accusation, or are really, really stretching to try and implicate me.That's only one out of the many abilities a single player has in their hands, so I kinda see reasoning in TolyK's post there.
He dodged my question once, ignored it the second time and then made the same assertion that I'd asked him about without explaining it any further. I got annoyed. Sue me.So...could I ask why you're throwing the daykill out with an announcement when you can do that everyday?
Other than the cause being annoyance :O
I'm PFPing because I suddenly noticed typing this post took up the half-hour and it's 5 minutes to next class ._.;
I however remember there's one word I was going to searchengine that helps my thoughts and I forgot it. Bluh.
Shakerag, please post more :) Same to Teneb and the others not posting at the moment.
Flabort: I think TolyK also mentioned he'd Extend other than me?
Everyone: Please extend.
Post by: flabort on February 22, 2016, 01:35:43 am
Flabort: I think TolyK also mentioned he'd Extend other than me?I was lucky to see yours. It wasn't in an eye catching color.
Everyone: Please extend.
Where is TolyK's?
Post by: TolyK on February 22, 2016, 01:53:13 am
Post by: TolyK on February 22, 2016, 02:08:45 am
PFP (because posting 20 minutes from first uni class felt like a good idea :V)Hold on, didn't you try to daykill me yesterday? Hypocrisy much? :P
DA while I have TMS under my newbie cardzone, I can see some merit in his case (despite being somewhat mostly based on...your self-description of *being inefficient >_> TMS, expound on that* bit)TMS, I'm going to make this fairly simple for you. Back that up with something that isn't a petulant excuse or I will daykill you....Seriously.
While I get having a daykill is a nice bit of leverage you can thrust onto people, you're thrusting it...right in people's faces, without the open consideration people have onto OTHERS. While I also get that the orange bit is more of an intimidating force (which in my notes is a characteristic of your general play), there's a...lack of content in your posts thus far. This is somewhat correlational to my 'DA Scumhunting track' because it is narrowed down--not a bad thing (since you're in my green-zone of not being cult lleader//Mafia), but...
You have...like 6+ other targets. "Several" other targets. :v
Also, I remember the "I have a weapon pointing right at you do what I say" tactic occurring quite a bit before. Although here it's not quite the same.
Quote from: Tiruin
TolyK<3
You're sweet and I love you just as much as anyone else, and the smilies are a topping on me seeing you as my silly playerbuddy [OOC], but bleh. :P
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OK, so someone can suggest a (voluntary) role-swap with others.Sorry for purging your reading comprehension :-\ and thanks for having the TolyK patience of reading through it like a nice guy :DIneffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
(OR HE'S A JESTER!!!1! /jokes)
I feel really shitty (headache etc.) so I'll answer the standing questions directed to me and yeah.Tiruin: Those huge sentences with interjections sometimes burn my reading comprehension out. :PAnyway! Someone exchanged with me a role that I most likely believe they knew the name of (hint: It's specifically dealing with what happened yesterday--and given the shift of mention today,Did you give any more info about this?
[1]Quote from: TiruinI can easily rule out that Tawarochir is NOT the cult leader because I did something to him last night. :V Do you feel lucky like that? Well do you, punk?Not quite sure how what you did rules it out, tho.
[2]Quote from: TiruinI'm basically asking everyone's reads as of this moment. Also is massclaiming a good idea? I'm all for that too.I'm ok for claiming like 90% of my role. The 10% would be insurance. ;) Actions I have already claimed (2 chats).
I also would like to forward the idea of those who have flipped TOWN to claim everything they did earlier that they are comfy with [ie Basically claiming anything that helps narrow down the scum-spects] because this works as a double-edge for them if they have revived under another alignment[/b]
[2]Quote from: Tiruin's ReadsTolyK -- >_> I don't know anymore. He's been a hectic bunch of tumbleweeds [mafia-relation not meant; figurative mention really meant.] because of his attitude the whole game. HOWEVER I don't think he's Mafia given his blatant outrightness in going 'everyone can win! I need notes on the Mafia ;D' <_> Though I usually assume that Mafia = teamplay and his play is...not team-oriented. Especially with that presumed 'Nuke-in-a-box' he's holding; still doesn't strike somewhat town-y because HE HASN'T USED IT. A very noteful thing for later on.Elaborated harder, ma'am.I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.Elaborate harder, now.
But points!
[1] Not really...because I only received word of it today. Thing is, the role given to me was noted in my PMbox this day start. It had the option to return it to the one sending it to me as a free action, so...I did. And now have my initial role taken from me, back. As far as I know, it seems to be a role-switcher thing, in which the one who switched it (AND HASN"T CLAIMED YET) knows the role.
Now on the 'I most likely believe they knew the name of' bit, that role that was borrowed from me has a very specific name wording that I believe the player who submitted it and it was rolled randomly given, knows, given the instance of how I used it yesterday :P [Seriously.]
Quote from: Tiruin
[2] ...I targeted Tawarochir last night; while that claim is non-evidence...ial, 4mask did note a change between cult #s. I'ma ssuming the cult leader's action is a night one (because that'd be hilarious if it was DAY), but yeah. While I can't offer any substantial proof that I'm not the cult leader (other than, y'know, telling you I'm not, since that's what anyone would say on bounds of an infraction UNLESS they back it up with cleverness-in-a-way :V), I'm curious how you see me as a possible target.
Y'know, other than connecting me to Tawarochir in a creative way. If that was one possible factor, I'd like to know that too!
4mask: Detail the #s given last N3
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[2] 2 chats?Chat with TDS and DA (N1). Chat with NQT (N2). Free-action as insurance (unclaimed as of yet). Nothing N3 or any day, because blocked.
Expound, good sir.
Okay, quick question TolyK: Why the actual fuck would I fake claim and an ability that is ridiculously easy to check and prove the falsehood of? All it would take is a single neutral-or-friendly-to-town third party that wasn't on my list and I would have been immediately caught out in my lie. I could buy me doing that late in the game, but early on with most of the players still alive in a decently large game? Nope. You either think I'm an idiot, didn't think through the implications of your accusation, or are really, really stretching to try and implicate me.First off, neither the mafia nor cult would counter-claim. Secondly, it's a fairly decent gamble. There were also talks of role/wincon obscuration, so you could've fallen back on that. No, I don't really think you're an idiot or implicating, just stating my suspicions. Defensive much?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 22, 2016, 09:55:08 am
Not defensive, fed up with idiocy. Pretty big difference there.Okay, quick question TolyK: Why the actual fuck would I fake claim and an ability that is ridiculously easy to check and prove the falsehood of? All it would take is a single neutral-or-friendly-to-town third party that wasn't on my list and I would have been immediately caught out in my lie. I could buy me doing that late in the game, but early on with most of the players still alive in a decently large game? Nope. You either think I'm an idiot, didn't think through the implications of your accusation, or are really, really stretching to try and implicate me.First off, neither the mafia nor cult would counter-claim. Secondly, it's a fairly decent gamble. There were also talks of role/wincon obscuration, so you could've fallen back on that. No, I don't really think you're an idiot or implicating, just stating my suspicions. Defensive much?
4mask: Detail the #s given last N3Detail the numbers... what? I gave the numbers I received from flabort, and that's all the information I'm given about those numbers. What more details do you expect?
Post by: Shakerag on February 22, 2016, 10:12:09 am
Post by: TolyK on February 22, 2016, 11:57:51 am
Post by: flabort on February 22, 2016, 01:18:07 pm
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
The Moonlit Shadow:
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Deus Asmoth: Tawarochir, TheMoonlitShadow,
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT: Deus Asmoth,
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheDarkStar, TheMoonlitShadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf, Shakerag, Teneb, TolyK, Hector13, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Extend votes: 2/4 (Tiruin, TolyK)
Post by: Shakerag on February 22, 2016, 04:11:41 pm
Well, I don't want to give away my roles just yet, as that would potentially give scum a clue to my weakness, but I'll claim all of my actions so far.
D1 - Broadcast that my alignment was "Jester". I was hoping someone would comment on that so that I could try to play off that it was some kind of public day inspect. My reason being, no alignment benefits from lynching a jester, so I could play around without worrying about drawing a lynch.
N1 - Tried to watch and track Tiruin, because I can never read Tiruin. Got redirected to the tumbleweed. The tumbleweed did not visit anyone. The tumbleweed was visited by me, me, Hector, and Tiruin.
D2 - Broadcast that my alignment was "Confirmed Town". Mostly because that's pretty much the only day power I had, so how could I not play around with it?
N2 - Same as N1, but with 4maskwolf, for largely the same reasons. Got redirected to the tumbleweed again. The tumbleweed did not visit anyone. The tumbleweed was visited by me, me, and 4maskwolf.
Also two kill attempts were directed at me N2. They turned into protects due to an ability of mine. One of those was obviously the redirected spectator kill. Not sure who fired off the second one.
N3 - Decided to embrace the chaos that which is this game and use some of my crazier powers. I sacrificed two of my roles and turned them into NPCs, which ended up being THE GRIFFIN and THE SARGENT. I can control who they vote for. They have a random, non-mafia alignment (which is not known to me). They were both also given a second role upon creation (which is also not known to me). Basically I can make them speak and vote, although Flabort has been doing the speaking so far.
I won't say which is which (to try and prevent scum from using role-name-based-dickery), but one was created from "The Role That flabort Gives To People Who Have Annoyed Him", and the other was created from some goofy ass "sharkwerm" thing. The sharkwerm role was basically a night-only arsonist with a 50/50 chance of actually killing. The other role prevented you from winning and let you screw over other people with a copy of that same role (or an infraction, apparently).
And, like I said, I don't want to reveal my entire hand just yet, but I do have a night ability to re-order individual items in the action-resolution list. I'm not sure if this would help with the whole "let everyone win" situation. Or, if someone has a creative way to screw scum/cult/whomever with that, I'm open to suggestion.
Post by: TolyK on February 22, 2016, 04:28:12 pm
Shakerag, if I were to give one to you (to not block), could you transformigify them?
Post by: TolyK on February 22, 2016, 04:29:31 pm
Post by: flabort on February 22, 2016, 04:31:23 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 22, 2016, 04:47:51 pm
Let's Extend.I'm sure everyone has actions which might make everyone else suspicious. It's the nature of this kind of power-heavy game. But, anyway, IDGAF if my powers are suspicious or not, I just wanted everyone (mostly scum) to think I was a Jester and leave me alone. That didn't go quite as planned.
Shakerag: You 'broadcasted' your alignment as Jester, but didn't post too much D1. So... I'm guessing you have some actions which might make us suspicious?
You apparently visited the Tumbleweed twice N1. Explain?
He had a 'The Role That flabort Gives To People Who Have Annoyed Him' which is currently stopping Hector from winning (if Tolyk did the only thing he could, give that role to someone with an infraction). Hmm... if someone gave you an infraction, you could give away all of those roles, right? On the other hand, giving someone at least 2 more votes might be dangerous.
You missed that I visited the tumbleweed N2 as well. And that's because I used two actions both nights.
Good point about the votes. But, yeah, I can sacrifice my roles to power certain abilities. So long as I didn't have more than one of those F-You roles at a time.
TolyK:
I currently have 3 of those roles (because I had them AND two infractions, which delayed my ability to use actions for yet another cycle), which I intend to drop off to someone who can get rid of them. Or anyone, really, because I'm selfish. :PI turned that role into an NPC. Now, in theory, you should be able to give those roles to said NPC ...
Shakerag, if I were to give one to you (to not block), could you transformigify them?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 22, 2016, 05:14:38 pm
N1: Give "The role that flabort gives to people who have annoyed him" to FallacyOfUrist: successful
N2: Inspect Tumbling Tumbleweed (town-ally)
N3: Inspect Teneb (town)
I am unaffected by the Tumbleweed's redirection ability and as such can inspect people normally. Or at least I could, but I fucked something up early and that's no longer an option. Humph. That's what I get for playing mafia half-awake.
For those of you wondering what I fucked up, I didn't fulfill my post restriction on one post earlier, which means the role that gave me the nifty redirection-ignore ability is deactivated.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 22, 2016, 05:55:56 pm
If he's going to insist on being a liar and hypocrite, I see no reason not to remind him that my words are backed with nuclear weapons.He dodged my question once, ignored it the second time and then made the same assertion that I'd asked him about without explaining it any further. I got annoyed. Sue me.So...could I ask why you're throwing the daykill out with an announcement when you can do that everyday?
Other than the cause being annoyance :O
TMS
My case against DA was that he was being ineffective and wasting time earlier.How?
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He has his vote on an NPC, and has only been talking to me.Demonstrably false.
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No scumhunting.How?
And considering that you're accusing me of wasting time, I'd like to know how you justify talking about no one other then myself today. I'd also ask why you seem to have a problem with my apparent wasting time, but have no issue with using the lynch on someone that you know is going to immediately come back to life.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 22, 2016, 11:11:07 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 23, 2016, 07:04:38 am
Also, in regards to everyone winning - does anyone actually have an idea about how it would work?
Post by: TolyK on February 23, 2016, 07:37:59 am
Currently, it seems like "role swapping shenanigans" will be MVP (at least to me). Plus we'll have to discard some roles, potentially Shakerag can do that. Or, there's potentially another way, barring some particularly nasty roles which override others. :(
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 23, 2016, 08:26:44 am
DAWhat does that have to do with whether I was wasting time or not?
1. Didn't get votes on whoever you thought was scum.
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2. (was) True. As you can see by that votecount.Perhaps you should consider the possibility that that's not what I was referring to in my reply then.
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3. Still only talking to me.I talked to two other people in the same post that you're replying to. If you're going to make bullshit cases, you could at least make ones that don't rely on nobody else actually reading the thread.
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Don't even have your vote on me, or a FoS, so you aren't even scumhunting.Should I have my vote on you?
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Ok, you just say that my case isn't a real one, then why do you even respond? You just repeatedly say that I 'didn't explain' my case and vote on you. Which... I did. 3 times.So, what? I should just ignore you and hope you go away? That's not how this game works. And no. You didn't. You threw out a few half hearted buzz phrases in the hopes that it would pass for an explanation. It doesn't. What evidence do you have that supports anything taht you're trying to push on me.
And since you clearly read my post since you quoted it, why didn't you answer anything I asked you?
And considering that you're accusing me of wasting time, I'd like to know how you justify talking about no one other then myself today. I'd also ask why you seem to have a problem with my apparent wasting time, but have no issue with using the lynch on someone that you know is going to immediately come back to life.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 23, 2016, 08:30:45 am
Post by: Shakerag on February 23, 2016, 09:56:37 am
Shakerag, are Griffin and Sargent guaranteed to be non-scum or just not mafia? It just seems odd that it'd take three nights for the cult to convert someone and still be able to.My ability says the NPCs can not be mafia, but they may be any other alignment. So ... technically they could be cult-aligned I guess? The cult wouldn't be able to control their votes though.
4maskwolf:
Going for an everybody wins scenario is honestly rather pointless: while it would be nice to figure out a way to do it, all it takes is one person sabotaging it and it doesn't happen, which could result in a town loss. I'm not willing to risk that in order to ensure an "everyone wins" that could be undermined by the mafia or cult.Not a fan of the prisoner's dilemma, eh?
So who are your top scumpicks then?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 23, 2016, 10:02:25 am
4maskwolf:Not a fan, not a fan.Going for an everybody wins scenario is honestly rather pointless: while it would be nice to figure out a way to do it, all it takes is one person sabotaging it and it doesn't happen, which could result in a town loss. I'm not willing to risk that in order to ensure an "everyone wins" that could be undermined by the mafia or cult.Not a fan of the prisoner's dilemma, eh?
So who are your top scumpicks then?
I got weird vibes from TolyK on days one and two, and I need to read back to figure out why TMS and Tawa are voting someone who flipped town. Other than that, not really, I should really be paying more attention but role-heavy games don't tend to come down to lynches (unless there is a kill-immune anti-town role).
Post by: Shakerag on February 23, 2016, 03:43:01 pm
Mostly due to process of elimination such that I've seen some questionably town actions from a number of players, but not so much TMS.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 23, 2016, 05:45:45 pm
1. Look:Ineffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
Tolyk agrees too. Fairly sure most everyone does.
TolyK says that he doesn't think DA is scum. You use this as evidence that everyone thinks DA is scum. First, how does that make any kind of sense? Second, why the assertion that everything thinks DA is scum?
Also, you said that DA was scum after a D4 activity spike. Isn't this related to him being dead for part of the game? This part specifically makes me think you are some kind of jester because your case went from bad to illogical.
Post by: Teneb on February 23, 2016, 06:17:05 pm
Ok TMS. Your case makes no sense, I think you are a jester, and it would be good if you got daykilled.There isn't a Jester. Unless you don't believe 4maskwolf's list, in which case you should say so. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you are scum (of either persuasion), though I will not bother with setting up a case since you are currently unkillable.
Anyway, action claims:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 23, 2016, 07:19:24 pm
Spoiler: Action claim (click to show/hide)
Post by: Teneb on February 23, 2016, 08:23:23 pm
Aren't there a few outsiders and third parties?1 outsider. Hector. 1 town-ally. Tumbleweed.Spoiler: Action claim (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 23, 2016, 10:16:09 pm
Aren't there a few outsiders and third parties?1 outsider. Hector. 1 town-ally. Tumbleweed.Spoiler: Action claim (click to show/hide)
I retract any jester-related accusations.
The Moonlit Shadow
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 24, 2016, 06:44:53 am
Shakerag, by reordering the action resolutions, can you do stuff like putting kills before protects?
TMS:
DA:That's stupid. Do you want to know why it's stupid? I'll tell you. You think I'm the newly converted cultist. The thing about cultists is that even if you lynch one every day the town will still lose because the cult leader can just convert more. Even worse, you already know that I can just immediately come back if you lynch me. So you're trying to lynch someone who is both completely expendable even if you're right and immortal in any case. You've given no indication of who you think could be the cult leader if you're right. So you're pursuing a dead end case with no idea what to do afterwards. Waste of everyone's time, especially mine.
In response to your question: I think you're scum. So me focusing on you isn't wasting time.
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1. Look:This doesn't say that Tolyk agrees with you, regardless of whether you're saying it's about being scum or playing badly.Ineffective scumhunting, drawing attention to yourself while diverting attention from your target.I'm pretty sure this is the definition of bad play, not of scum play. :P
Tolyk agrees too. Fairly sure most everyone does.
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2. Then what were you referring to?Well, gee, mister. I quoted something with two points in it and told you that the first one wasn't the one I was referring to. Hmm... I wonder what I could possibly have been talking about then? This is a tough one. Perhaps if we think about it together, real hard we can figure this puzzler out.
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3. You talked to Tiruin about me. You talked about the NPC's, who are the only ones besides me and Tiruin you've said a word to.Incorrect. False. Lies. Untrue. Bullshit, is what I'm getting at.
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4. Then what are you doing?I'm pointing out that your 'case' on me is idiotic.
Hmmm...So increased activity means that I'm scum now? It's a good thing that there's absolutely nothing else it could be linked to, like me getting access to my role actions.
Furthermore:8 town, 2 mafia, 2 cult, outsider, town-ally.Right. Assuming that 4mask is telling the truth (would anyone be opposed to me giving him enough infractions to get him modkilled so that we can check if he's [still] town?) then the cult is actually capable of converting people after all. So it might be worth claiming if anyone blocked someone during night 1 and/or 2 but not 3 so that we can try to get rid of the leader before this becomes an issue.
Furthermore, we know that neither hector nor the tumbleweed were converted (unless Sargent or Griffin feel like claiming outsider or town-ally), so that's two people we can rule out. Griffin and Sargent are also unlikely targets since the cult leader likely wasn't aware that they were in the game when targeting their conversion. So that leaves 9 players as potential conversions or scum. I know that I'm town, meaning that there's a 50% chance of hitting scum of some sort even by just lynching randomly. Those odds aren't entirely awful. Also, OSG is confirmed as town once he comes back I guess, since the non-town faction numbers are unchanged (besides cult going up one- unless the WIFOM laden thought that just occurred to me is true).
Following on from that, Tolyk probably wouldn't be so open about wanting everyone to win as scum and TDS can't be lynched... so...
Tiruin, random chance tells me that you're scum. If you admit it now we can lynch you rather than forcing me to give you a bunch of infractions.
4mask, did you get a list of alignments during day 1, and if so was there a jester? We might as well sort out whether Shakerag is changing alignments every day.
DA's activity spikes on D4. The same day a new cultist appears.
Post by: Shakerag on February 24, 2016, 09:54:24 am
Shakerag, by reordering the action resolutions, can you do stuff like putting kills before protects?I'm not sure what else you think I could have meant by what I said. Yes, that's what my ability does.
I don't personally see any benefit to me or anyone else (non-scum) from using it, but if you've got a brilliant insight I'm all ears.
Post by: TolyK on February 24, 2016, 09:56:16 am
I also see no use for it, as of yet.
Post by: flabort on February 24, 2016, 02:01:34 pm
Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
The Moonlit Shadow: TheDarkStar, Shakerag
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Deus Asmoth: Tawarochir, TheMoonlitShadow
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT: Deus Asmoth
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheMoonlitShadow, Tiruin, 4maskwolf,, Teneb, TolyK, Hector13, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Day ends in ~3 hours, 1/2 extensions used
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 02:02:36 pm
Humph.
Tawa, are you going to say anything of consequence for the rest of the day?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 24, 2016, 02:29:31 pm
Deus Asmoth:I just wanted to clarify. It seems odd that it's worded that way rather than just negating protects since it seems to be essentially the same thing, but eh.Shakerag, by reordering the action resolutions, can you do stuff like putting kills before protects?I'm not sure what else you think I could have meant by what I said. Yes, that's what my ability does.
I don't personally see any benefit to me or anyone else (non-scum) from using it, but if you've got a brilliant insight I'm all ears.
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1. So we should ignore converts? That's cool. If we kill you, at least you can't do anything that night.Do you think that lynching me will give you any indication of who the cult leader is? Because since you don't seem to have any idea at the moment, I'd like to know how you think that wasting (at the very minimum) three days to get me to stay dead and giving the cult leader free reign in the meantime is a good idea.Quote2. I don't know. Just say it.Seriously? Wanting you to read something you've already quoted is too much work.Quote3. ... Not much I can say. It's pretty much true...'Pretty much' true or actually true, which was what you were arguing before? And three points. No, it's not, you liar. Second, you seem to be ridiculously surprised that someone is addressing the arguments you're using to vote for them rather than rolling over and playing dead. Third, you're a massive hypocrite for even pretending that it's a valid reason for your vote on me.Quote4. But it's not though.Yes. It is.Quote5. Reaaally? Did you use those actions to get that analysis? You had access to all/most of that information the day before.I'm sorry you feel that way.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 24, 2016, 02:32:21 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 24, 2016, 02:43:41 pm
We already used an extension, and second one... I dunno. Do not believe that DA turned into a cultist, currently, and TMS seemed to have unfinished logic.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 02:44:38 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 24, 2016, 02:51:16 pm
We could go get a surprise Shakerag train going (on no evidence whatsoever :P) or something, but other than that nothing occured.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 24, 2016, 03:11:00 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 03:15:04 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 24, 2016, 03:27:38 pm
...That was never part of my argument.
DA's activity spikes on D4. The same day a new cultist appears.
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You've never pointed that out.Yes. I have. Repeatedly. Are you actually being serious or are you just trying to annoy me?
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This part: your accusations are hypocritical and could apply to almost any other player in the thread
Why now?
And considering that you're accusing me of wasting time, I'd like to know how you justify talking about no one other than myself today.The same post also points out that you'd be wasting a lot more time than I ever could even if you were right, but you don't seem to think it's wasting time if you do it.
Post by: TolyK on February 24, 2016, 03:30:13 pm
Also, I think TolyK is jaded from all the stunts I have pulled in the past :PEeh, I've stopped you in your tracks when it mattered.
:P
Post by: flabort on February 24, 2016, 04:25:43 pm
Day 4 continues to drag on...
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 04:26:45 pm
A mysterious force warps and slows down time!The actual fuck?
Post by: TolyK on February 24, 2016, 04:28:50 pm
Bahaha. xD I need to sleep.
Either way, this is good.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 04:29:50 pm
I read that as "A mysterious face".Define "good".
Bahaha. xD I need to sleep.
Either way, this is good.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 04:39:23 pm
Please do.Oh?
I mean, it's good for me. But it's too obvious if that's it.
Post by: Shakerag on February 24, 2016, 04:51:21 pm
Oh there's a tie.So you note there's a tie between two players who each have two votes, so then you vote for someone who isn't being voted for at all. And it looks like a pressure vote, mostly. Keeping up appearances much?
Humph.
Tawa, are you going to say anything of consequence for the rest of the day?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 04:52:17 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 24, 2016, 05:10:40 pm
Oh there's a tie.Sorry! I've been playing the new FE game a lot lately, haven't thought much about Mafia. :I I'll post observations and such in a little while.
Humph.
Tawa, are you going to say anything of consequence for the rest of the day?
Post by: Shakerag on February 24, 2016, 05:10:56 pm
I've already stated I don't think either of them is scum, so why should I vote for either of them?So convince me to vote for someone else then.
Post by: notquitethere on February 24, 2016, 06:05:26 pm
Post by: flabort on February 24, 2016, 06:09:23 pm
Heeheehee!Hey! Didn't you get your bah post yet?
Post by: notquitethere on February 24, 2016, 06:17:36 pm
I hadn't had my bah post. Now you've coaxed me into posting after my bah post. Do I get an infraction?Heeheehee!Hey! Didn't you get your bah post yet?
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 08:19:38 pm
4maskwolf:If I had any serious suspicions I would, but right now given the lack of actionable information a random lynch is as good as any.I've already stated I don't think either of them is scum, so why should I vote for either of them?So convince me to vote for someone else then.
inb4 you say "okay" and vote me.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 08:47:28 pm
You sound like DA, minus the statistics. Reads on him?Oh for fucks sakes... how many times do I have to say I think both of you are town. That means you and Deus Asmoth, as shocking as that may seem.
...I should go the fuck to sleep.
Post by: Tiruin on February 24, 2016, 10:02:34 pm
Eeyeah, uh, this is me. :P One of the unclaimed powers I have is that if I don't vote or act during the day (non-inclusive of this power anyway :V)--the day doesn't end, since it's a day power.A mysterious force warps and slows down time!The actual fuck?
I'm also fakeclaiming this as being the Greenwich Meridian Watcher because I'm silly like that.
Aaaaaand it may totally reveal how last-minute voting patterns occur :3
And PFP because I'm reading up!
Oh, since Teneb knows my single nuke power, let me give this out as a query: I can refresh myself in order to act during the phase once more using up one of my one shots. So in order to use that nuke on the most voted person.
When that nuke hits, the day ends [cuz I used an action :V], so considering that, the second-most voted person is also on the line.
This was my last post that I read while offline and at school (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6830497#msg6830497).
I'm compiling a list of attitude/comparison tells and a better adjusted read list from then on.
@DA: I still believe I blocked an unconventional action from Tawa--but in the least, what I've done tells me he ain't the cult leader, though he can be Mafia or Town here, or a converted cultist. Either/or, it wipes off one role from my reads on 'scum' list into a 'more specific-scum' list.
ON THE BLOODY NPCS: WOULD EVERYONE STOP SPECULATING (on tangent; drawing focus to; making their posts have the sole discussion revolve around) WHAT ALIGNMENT THEY ARE? WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM WHEN THE PEOPLE HAVING THOSE ROLES WHICH SPAWN THE NPCS ARE CLEARED.
Considering who keeps talking about them (reminded of Teneb and 4mask but I do feel there're more in the periphery of my memory), I'm pretty blunt. But I'm glad I'm making that read list :V
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 24, 2016, 10:05:19 pm
Considering who keeps talking about them (reminded of Teneb and 4mask but I do feel there're more in the periphery of my memory), I'm pretty blunt. But I'm glad I'm making that read list :VErm... I think you've got the wrong people. I don't talk about the NPC's outside of stating the known alignments of the original NPC's in the context of the alignment list I received.
Post by: TolyK on February 25, 2016, 01:17:15 am
Uh, see: Webster's.I read that as "A mysterious face".Define "good".
Bahaha. xD I need to sleep.
Either way, this is good.
Jokes aside, as to why an extension is good here: I don't think either of them is scum, at least at this point (TMS is doing some meh things, but more dumb and less scummy).
Too obvious: It's so much buddying that it's framing.Uh... sure. I'm not quite sure where the buddying comes in? Not wanting to see you die?
Post by: Tiruin on February 25, 2016, 01:23:07 am
Jokes aside, as to why an extension is good here: I don't think either of them is scum, at least at this point (TMS is doing some meh things, but more dumb and less scummy).Why I extended is on behalf of quite much everything thus far--people aren't in general, scumhunting, and from what I see [on the lack of explaining why people targeted each other], there's a lack of reasoning behind it and a rather 'more' reliance on roles and abilities.
I'm also doing such because of the # count 4mask has mentioned (although his surprise is intriguing :P). Which is why I believe today can be put to MUCH good use if people posted, y'know, more.
And that I'm really not seeing much activity from Shakerag (and maybe others)--so I'm going back to recheck and make a big post!
Post by: TolyK on February 25, 2016, 10:15:29 am
Post by: TolyK on February 25, 2016, 11:10:51 am
Post by: TolyK on February 25, 2016, 02:50:45 pm
I was glad the day hadn't ended so fruitlessly as a lynch between two people going "you said" - "no I didn't" - "yes you did".
Currently, it's set to end the same way, except with 3 people.
...
Who wants/can take/remove/reroute my role-blocking roles? I'd prefer to make a deadchat or something this night, instead of doing nothing yet again.
Post by: Shakerag on February 25, 2016, 04:12:34 pm
Alriiiiiight.Yup. Also, apparently flabort is crap at wording things. So I can't actually control how those NPCs vote. Bugger all.
You can give your roleblocking roles to THE GRIFFIN. THE SARGENT was made with the sharkwerm role, and Shakerag said each of the NPC's is also given the role they were made with.
Post by: TolyK on February 25, 2016, 04:14:08 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 25, 2016, 04:15:25 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 25, 2016, 04:52:01 pm
Of course I mean GRIFFIN. Ugh.I suppose the technical answer to that question would be: flabort.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 25, 2016, 06:09:10 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 25, 2016, 06:10:47 pm
Is there anyone who can destroy roles?
I'd like that. I'd totally like that.
Post by: Teneb on February 25, 2016, 06:23:30 pm
I think DA can. I can get roles, though not today.Is there anyone who can destroy roles?
I'd like that. I'd totally like that.
Tiruin: You said the day only ends when you make an action, but wasn't your returning my role and getting yours back one?
Post by: Shakerag on February 25, 2016, 06:25:33 pm
Post by: Teneb on February 25, 2016, 06:43:55 pm
I can destroy roles if I have them. Why?No one can win while a certain role, currently held by the deceased NQT, exists.
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
Unrelated to the above but...
Mod: What happens to a player if the game ends while they are temporarily out of the game, like OSG is now?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 25, 2016, 06:56:42 pm
I can't. Tawa said that he could, but only for people that are dead. Plus he can end up with the role he wants to destroy, which is troublesome.I think DA can. I can get roles, though not today.Is there anyone who can destroy roles?
I'd like that. I'd totally like that.
Tiruin: You said the day only ends when you make an action, but wasn't your returning my role and getting yours back one?
Post by: flabort on February 25, 2016, 11:54:42 pm
Mod: What happens to a player if the game ends while they are temporarily out of the game, like OSG is now?They do not win or lose. If they have to file it under win or loss or tie, tie is probably the best way to file it.
Post by: Tiruin on February 26, 2016, 12:39:29 am
Tiruin: You said the day only ends when you make an action, but wasn't your returning my role and getting yours back one?. . . ???
You claim you're the one who sent that action right? :P
Or maybe I'm unclear? (Guess I am o_O)
What I mean is if I make an action-that-is-not-free. That role loaned to me which I gave back is detailed as a free-action.
We lack people's reasoning for why they targeted who they targeted.
PFP before I forget:
Teneb, why'd you target me with a crowbar? o_O
*cough*I can destroy roles if I have them. Why?No one can win while a certain role, currently held by the deceased NQT, exists.
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
Unrelated to the above but...
Mod: What happens to a player if the game ends while they are temporarily out of the game, like OSG is now?
"Nobody can also win while TDS is alive :V" as he mentioned earlier.
Speaking of TDS:
About TDS: He's always claimed to have a kill immunity?Where?
Also
I have reason to strongly suspect that all investigations will fail.Details, TDS
Unless I missed something, looking after the actions it seems there's a lot of static interference in the way.
Seriously, this whole game certain people are posting without details. Vague references to their possible abilities or roles aside, it's just ugh. <_> [Or more how I feel because I was moody days earlier...Same applies to me though, but here's a note list offline!]
People who are voting TMS: What's your case on him?
People who are voting DA: What's the relevance of your case on voting him as the lynch target?
I'd expound on this in a big post later on but then argh net/busyness
Which is what I mean by my memory :PConsidering who keeps talking about them (reminded of Teneb and 4mask but I do feel there're more in the periphery of my memory), I'm pretty blunt. But I'm glad I'm making that read list :VErm... I think you've got the wrong people. I don't talk about the NPC's outside of stating the known alignments of the original NPC's in the context of the alignment list I received.
But really--checking up the content of people's posts, it's pretty much over the counted # of scum present so...people generally just need to post more content :v (Also I do see a significant # of people vote-poking TMS because...? And compare him to the rest is because...? We've gleaned much info from those who have actively posted today, and I just noticed people lacked reasons for their actions!
I also made a mistake in my massclaim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6826125;topicseen#msg6826125); I did that Solid Snake, thinking it adds only one vote (misread). So yeah :o
I think I detailed why I targeted TDS before, but for clarity--I did it because I didn't want any lynch shenanigans (and then internet ded afterwards :V)
On FoU it was on an inclination (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792879#msg6792879) towards his motive here. Rather on the proceeding on it--I wanted to be shore he wasn't in anyway tied to TDS (or to isolate the variables which make me conclude he's town or otherwise). But then I hit the tumbleweed :V
Aiming on TolyK was because of me wanting to really know what he's up to--that was before I re-re-re-re-read my action and found out it goes the opposite way. Case in point, I can confirm I got crowbar'd.
BUT NOT IN THE WAY TENEB SAID IT :I
You didn't bop me on the head, you jammed me BACK IN THE CLOSET D:<
Seriously, you stuck me in the closet :V
Nuking TolyK was on the matter of revivers. Moving towards today; the strangeness that happened + Tawa's soul eat thingy makes me feel that there's a role that blocks daykills (seriously? >_>).
Tawarochir was more on based-on-notes, and a lack of activity. His activity is low, and there's a lacking read on most people--but he's someone not heard of as of late (though I envy him playinf Fire Emblem :V).
I'll get in that post later on <_> net isn't being nice. [Or it is but my busyness isn't. Gah.]
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 26, 2016, 05:07:52 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 26, 2016, 05:15:27 pm
Post by: Shakerag on February 26, 2016, 05:17:25 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 05:19:20 pm
Spoiler: TolyK in a nutshell (click to show/hide)
Post by: TolyK on February 26, 2016, 05:20:54 pm
Post by: flabort on February 26, 2016, 05:21:37 pm
Can we get a votecount up in here?Not right away; as soon as I'm able, though. (IRL stuff)
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 05:23:12 pm
I actually trust TDS the most, here. Shakerag is also kinda close, however for no apparent reason... >.>
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TolyK on February 26, 2016, 05:51:20 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 26, 2016, 07:43:23 pm
DA: I still don't trust you and think that you're a cultist, but we've got more important things to do for now. Such as lynch mafia (or cult leader). Both of which you aren't (unless of some cult leader role that passes to the newest convert.) So Unvote.
Everyone: I'd like to know if someone can get rid of NQT's Shakerage Shenanigans role. Don't tell us how if you don't want to - you may have reasons for hiding it AKA might tell scum too much. Anyone?
What might they tell the scum? The scum are affected by the role too, y'know.
Speaking of roles that stop people from winning: TDS. Very inactive. Dropped a 'Who can get rid of roles?' question, which if he'd been paying attention he'd know Shakerag did. Before that, remarked on me and DA early, before most others. Thought I was Jester at first, meaning he's not paying attention again.
What do you think this all means?
Post by: hector13 on February 26, 2016, 08:12:15 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 08:43:14 pm
That's cute. There is in fact invisible text, but it's not listed in the "change color" dropdown box.
You tried white text for invisibility in a forum where a decent percentage of people use darkling.
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 08:48:27 pm
Everyone: I'd like to know if someone can get rid of NQT's Shakerage Shenanigans role. Don't tell us how if you don't want to - you may have reasons for hiding it AKA might tell scum too much. Anyone?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: hector13 on February 26, 2016, 08:51:57 pm
Eheh.
That's cute. There is in fact invisible text, but it's not listed in the "change color" dropdown box.
You tried white text for invisibility in a forum where a decent percentage of people use darkling.
I could see it with the default theme/skin...
I also like what you did there. Bit pointless, but I like it :P
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 26, 2016, 08:53:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 26, 2016, 09:10:48 pm
1. It might specifically say something something about scum that it would help scum to know.
2. It means TDS. Well not really. But you'll see why.
Why do you think I'm scummy and why are you wasting your vote on me? Everyone has already tried to lynch me once, you know.
Post by: hector13 on February 26, 2016, 09:14:03 pm
1. It might specifically say something something about scum that it would help scum to know.
2. It means TDS. Well not really. But you'll see why.
Why do you think I'm scummy and why are you wasting your vote on me? Everyone has already tried to lynch me once, you know.
Oh? Interesting way to phrase that. Why do you refer to a previous failed lynch as opposed to pointing out that it'll happen again?
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 26, 2016, 09:54:55 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 26, 2016, 09:56:27 pm
I've told everyone that I'm kill immune and people still don't seem to get it, so I provided evidence that yes, I am actually kill-immune.I'm PFPing for now because the lurkertracker//post tracker is being silly, but no--you have not provided evidence other than your word and vague posts alluding to protecting the self [ie What actions you've claimed all throughout].
Have you given your reads of everyone by the way? :O
Post by: hector13 on February 26, 2016, 10:48:44 pm
I've told everyone that I'm kill immune and people still don't seem to get it, so I provided evidence that yes, I am actually kill-immune.
All that proves, without doubt, is you at least had a one-shot lynch immunity. Beyond that we have to take you at your word.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 26, 2016, 11:19:05 pm
Post by: hector13 on February 26, 2016, 11:22:18 pm
My wincon won't be achieved either way though, so carry on...
Post by: Tiruin on February 26, 2016, 11:28:02 pm
If you don't believe me, then go ahead and try to kill me. The only problem is that you're wasting a day that could be used to find scum.You aren't proven to not be scum, by the way. Unless I missed something. This subtle reinforcement was an underlying note in your posts in my notes :O
Could I know why you targeted yourself in the past 3 days and what you've done? And/or why you may not be mentioning such, or adding to that certain worded idea there?
Post by: flabort on February 27, 2016, 12:29:31 am
Votecount
Tawarochir: 4maskwolf,
TheDarkStar: TheMoonlitShadow
Hector13 (I):
The Moonlit Shadow: TheDarkStar, Shakerag, Deus Asmoth, TolyK,
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Deus Asmoth: Tawarochir,
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Tiruin, TheMoonlitShadow, Teneb, Hector13, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
The mysterious time warp continues...
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 27, 2016, 02:41:25 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 27, 2016, 08:42:39 am
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 27, 2016, 11:36:51 am
TMS, why did you suddenly realise that lynching me is pointless now?Here's the first question I actually asked you, from that post. Note how your response doesn't answer that question in any way. Also note that you were initially planning to use the extension to convince people that I'm scum and have given up on that aim after a sum total of no effort whatsoever.
And we do know that TDS is unlynchable, because in case you've forgotten, you already tried to lynch him. I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from trying to sass me until you actually have a leg to stand on.
And since you seem to be continuing on your quest to dodge as many questions as possible, how does reminding you that TDS can't be lynched count as defending him? While we're at it, what's your actual case for wanting him lynched (besides me 'defending' him since I really don't think you're an oracle)?
Tiruin, how long are you planning on keeping this charade going?
Post by: TolyK on February 27, 2016, 12:10:20 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 27, 2016, 12:22:05 pm
I'd personally prefer you were a cultist, though, instead of mafia. Or cult leader, even better.
Post by: hector13 on February 27, 2016, 12:25:18 pm
No, it isn't. It's just that yours have been questionable (and questioned, as seen), and it's GOOD that you've been having interactions, because that way when (if?) you flip we get more information.
I'd personally prefer you were a cultist, though, instead of mafia. Or cult leader, even better.
Why the distinction between anti-town factions?
Post by: TolyK on February 27, 2016, 12:38:35 pm
Post by: TolyK on February 27, 2016, 12:38:55 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 27, 2016, 01:25:53 pm
And no, your response doesn't answer my question. You claim that you realised that lynching me was pointless because of my revive. This is false, since I pointed this out days ago and you were perfectly happy to continue your attempt to lynch me in spite of this. You already knew that lynching me wouldn't achieve anything, so why did you decide to finally give up when you did?
And why are you happy to gamble on wasting another lynch on TDS when you already know that it's possible to disable his claimed kill immunity tonight and actually lynch someone today?
Post by: Tiruin on February 27, 2016, 10:50:09 pm
DA: You daykill Shakerag--he'll either be town, mafia, or cultist/cult leader; either way, this lets Hector win BECAUSE HIS RAGSHAKE IS GONE FOR THIS PHASE (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520) (as far as I know, that makes him win?)
Teneb: You come forth with your post-lie/truths there, and detail why you targeted who you targeted (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6829938;topicseen#msg6829938). You also missed a question I asked (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6835185;topicseen#msg6835185) (which will be covered in the previous link).
Hector: Can you detail why you've not been going after Shakerag OR asking anyone to banish or whatever Ragshake so you can lose the Outsider note [P.S. Hector can be of any alignment henceforth--he CANNOT be the Cult leader if I understand 4maskwolf's mechanics of his alignment count back there]
TolyK: I've a pack of notes on you but what happened to your camaraderie (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791753#msg6791753) in D1? You've gone silent thus far and are merely poking people now. Can you open up the details of those quicktopic chats you Made with *CERTAIN* people (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6826217;topicseen#msg6826217)? Firstly: WHY include TDS--who has never died in comparison to Deus Asmoth? Nextly: Why aren't you coming forth with that quicktopic with NQT?
I've a lot of blue to share around but I'll make it a blind experimental note by not bluing the names above :V [Esp TDS.]
TDS Could you have been more clearer? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791314#msg6791314) I've scanned the deaths in the night thus far and I feel like a hypothesis comes to me--that significant note of yours has been the reason ALL kill-type actions have failed [ie Mine and Tawarochir's] that was after FallacyOfUrist's Death which had an auto that MADE kills be unblockable (20% chance of error) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6806719#msg6806719). Linking it to your attitude thus far, you've been very lackluster in scumhunting, and you haven't come forward in details into your action claims. This coincides with my request to DA for confirmation--DA must act and make his daykill to give credence to this since I DOUBT that two people could've been roleblocked into day-kill-acting.
I have sent Flabort a query as to DA's ability to daykill. This can be reconfirmed by Teneb [if he isn't scum :V]
Everyone We have an accountable number of unspoken incidences, one of which (since I'm not yet done MANUALLY drifting through the thread since ALL lurkertrackers/posttrackers are broken :'( ) is this significant note (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791782#msg6791782). It has Ragshake's poke, but we can confirm that Ragshake wasn't the one who did all that MASS VOTE REDIRECT (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6816852#msg6816852) and TMS hasn't noted any information about doing that himself//knowing anyone doing that to him. [Either/or, accounting for all possible scenarios here].
Post by: hector13 on February 27, 2016, 10:57:14 pm
Ragshake wins whether he's dead or not, and I can't win while he's in the game. *shrug*
If I had another role, I'd be working toward that. But I don't. Ah well.
Anyone wana do it anyway?
Post by: Tiruin on February 27, 2016, 11:03:03 pm
Ragshake wins whether he's dead or not, and I can't win while he's in the game. *shrug*We're having much fun with paradoxes here in the roles and the game seems heavily skewed towards people who HAVE THE ABILITY TO WIPE ROLES which is blatantly unfair [and/or makes some town cred, if town, or whatever confirmation towards alignment there is] because the only other person in my notes thus far is Teneb's 'can only win if dead, can only die if win' (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792409#msg6792409).
Ragshake has been banished by...I forget <_< Was it DA who did that? Whatever it is--Ragshake is gone. And I would like people to watch over the one other-seemingly guy with a DAYKILL (which some strange way is not included in my Nuclear Warranty of Terran Ghosts >_>). If I ever act or vote, this day ends forthwith.
Problem being that my only day actions are either blocking a dude from voting for the whole phase, coming up with a nuclear launch [+ free action one-shot refresh], and that's it :v
Making a giant post coming up soon. :'(
Post by: hector13 on February 27, 2016, 11:06:49 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 27, 2016, 11:56:17 pm
Post by: Tiruin on February 28, 2016, 12:03:45 am
I can't daykill Shakerag. I already tried to use my kill and someone blocked it.There was no EVENT! unlike the rest of us who actually did our actions :P
Who did you target it to? [An whai?]
Ragshake was lynched actually. OSG was banished (presumably; he has been removed from the game)...Well there goes a big paragraph out of my post :V
Do you however know your real alignment if you were not Outsider-Role'd [since it seems very much tied to the role that you have?]
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 28, 2016, 08:33:16 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 28, 2016, 10:11:09 pm
TDS Could you have been more clearer? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791314#msg6791314) I've scanned the deaths in the night thus far and I feel like a hypothesis comes to me--that significant note of yours has been the reason ALL kill-type actions have failed [ie Mine and Tawarochir's] that was after FallacyOfUrist's Death which had an auto that MADE kills be unblockable (20% chance of error) (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6806719#msg6806719). Linking it to your attitude thus far, you've been very lackluster in scumhunting, and you haven't come forward in details into your action claims. This coincides with my request to DA for confirmation--DA must act and make his daykill to give credence to this since I DOUBT that two people could've been roleblocked into day-kill-acting.
I have sent Flabort a query as to DA's ability to daykill. This can be reconfirmed by Teneb [if he isn't scum :V]
Everyone We have an accountable number of unspoken incidences, one of which (since I'm not yet done MANUALLY drifting through the thread since ALL lurkertrackers/posttrackers are broken :'( ) is this significant note (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791782#msg6791782). It has Ragshake's poke, but we can confirm that Ragshake wasn't the one who did all that MASS VOTE REDIRECT (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6816852#msg6816852) and TMS hasn't noted any information about doing that himself//knowing anyone doing that to him. [Either/or, accounting for all possible scenarios here].
Unless every kill this game has targeted me, I am not the one preventing the kills.
Deus Asmoth: You can give people infractions, correct? How many can you give at a time?
Post by: Tiruin on February 28, 2016, 11:51:37 pm
Still waiting on the post :PThe most horrible thing about having unstable internet (at home) is to think that you sent in a HUEG post and then coming back on a more-stable internet and then seeing NUP, no post.
Add that and all my notes being on my laptop at home = >_>
Deus Asmoth: You can give people infractions, correct? How many can you give at a time?DA wasn't the one, and I believe the one giving the infractions did not claim their role :O
...Are you updated with the thread, TDS?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 29, 2016, 04:17:29 am
Tiruin, I wanted to kill TMS in the hopes that he'd get replaced by someone a little bit less non-sensical. Presumably there was no event because the action didn't resolve (and whoever has been handing out infractions hasn't been triggering events, so not every action causes one).
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 29, 2016, 04:34:16 am
Post by: Shakerag on February 29, 2016, 10:13:35 am
'cause I think nobody would be interested in doing it, seeing as Ragshake is already dead.Well, if you revive Ragshake, I can NK him, which also has the added effect of removing him from the game for two cycles. If the game isn't over by that time, they re-enter the game still dead.
Ragshake wins whether he's dead or not, and I can't win while he's in the game. *shrug*
If I had another role, I'd be working toward that. But I don't. Ah well.
Anyone wana do it anyway?
Post by: hector13 on February 29, 2016, 10:17:43 am
Post by: TolyK on February 29, 2016, 10:29:46 am
I don't see that much good or bad coming from killing TDS. I'd ask him, tbh.
That depends. What's the average cult wincon? If they lose when the leader dies, then it'd be less worth it. We'd still know that he's Cult Leader then, and we could roleblock him forever.Hold on. If you're a normal townie, why would you roleblock the leader forever?
Let's get some things straight. If you don't see why something follows from something, just ask.
Format is: ability [source]
UNFINISHED (though almost done) (see: below the quote wall)
What we know about folks (publicly):
OragamiScienceGuy - nothing much? REMOVED from game N3
FallacyofUrist - DEAD (NK'd N2), RIPstone (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6806719#msg6806719)
Tawarochir - trigger warnings,
Deus Asmoth - had Orden suicide, RIPstone (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792045#msg6792045), revived N1, can't be cult leader, threatened TMS D4 w/ trigger [trigger warning (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6825446#msg6825446)]
TheDarkStar - has Orden post-changer [TolyK, DA, TDS], flips are correct [TDS], triple-self-target [claim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6830090#msg6830090)]
Hector13 - DEAD (NK'd N1), RIPstone (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520), caused D2 skip, given infraction D3
TMS - nothing much, just talk?
Tiruin - Solid Snake stuff D1, blocked N2 while metatracking [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6813303#msg6813303)], attempted daykill D3 on TolyK [Flabort & timing], superblocked Tawar N4 [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6823730#msg6823730)]; full action claim [here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6826125#msg6826125)], stops time until votes/actions
4maskwolf - alignmentcall ability [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6808255#msg6808255)], Gave FoU Infraction role N1 [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6815919#msg6815919)], can get around inspection-magnet Tumbleweed [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6822581#msg6822581)]
Notquitethere - DEAD (NK'd N1), RIPstone (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6802520#msg6802520), chat w/ TolyK [TolyK]
Shakerag - has annoucement role [Shakerag & Flabort], watch&track(N1 Tiruin/Hector to Tumbleweed + ?, N2 4mask to Tumbleweed +?), N3 turned extra roles into NPC's
Teneb - nothing much?
TolyK - got infraction D1 & D3 [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6807378#msg6807378)], got-shot-but-not-really D3 [sauce (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6812670#msg6812670)],
Non-Player Characters:
Ragshake, Shakerag's Evil Twin - DEAD (Lynched D3) - OUTSIDER
The Tumbling Tumbleweed - 3rdParty TownAlly [4mask]
THE GRIFFIN - don't care, tho "annoyed"?
THE SARGENT - meh, from "sharkwerm"?
Interesting posts here:
Spoiler: Ok fine I'll spoiler this (click to show/hide)
There! I figured out what was annoying me!
Here. 4mask said he gave the Annoying role to FoU N1, which FoU "revealed (indirectly)" that he had. That means that there were at least 2 copies the first day. And I currently have 3, including recieving one early on with an infraction.I had another one, but FallacyofUrist revealed early D1 that he had a copy of the role (indirectly), so I gave it to him N1.So, you started with one, gave it to FoU, and eventually...
Hold up. Hold right on up.
I'll elaborate on this in a bit (as time allows - I still have lots to do as well as sleep before tomorrow -.-), but it seems to me like something doesn't add up. 4maskwolf for now.
That means several people are in on it, and definitely 1, most likely 2+ people haven't claimed it or claimed correctly.
Currently I'm fine with lynching TMS since he's become very active and (more importantly) very defensive this last day (don't even remember any valuable content from BEFORE he jumped on DA, which is actually a point in his favor) AND (Important!) I don't believe the other candidates (DA? that's it?) are worth lynching, at least not yet. Lynching DA, for example, would only give us information on whether he's a cult member now or not, while TMS would give a lot of abilities + possibly alignment.
After that, we'll see what comes of TMS. At worst I'll be speaking through TDS or DA. :P
Post by: Tiruin on February 29, 2016, 11:37:18 am
Alrighty, big post here [in which I'm saving a copy for any hilarity-editing power to not mess up with -.-]
I've been partly biased at the lacking dayplay but that may be due to moodiness and otherwise. Maybe because of the feeling that roles will give more credence than scumhunting; I'm unsure. The variance is too big to include any significant sign of skewedness. [/feelingstatistics]
>>> The lurkertracker does work, but only under a specified setup.
Spoiler: Thread URL: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.0 (click to show/hide)
A few notes to drop in my observations:
> A strange thing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791782#msg6791782) happened D1 that nobody has come forth with details about.
> TolyK despite his mannerisms about all win and deeply open or 'transparent' motives--I have come to suspect may know a heck load more in regards to many things {Notes 3, 4, 5; TDS spoiler} -- Note 3 especially because TolyK was the one inquiring.
TolyK: When did you quicktopic DA and TDS? Why did you do so? [and still haven't posted about it?]
> You said you can kill. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791740#msg6791740) Details on twice? [opening the box twice. Pandora funtimes \o/]
> Has presumably submitted more than 2 roles (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791644#msg6791644) {along with Shakerag, Hector, Teneb, Tawa, FallacyofUrist} [Is this correct? I submitted only 2] (Also this link has the other note of a kill there for TolyK, so multi-kill abilities present)
> Has a random role/inspection shot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791112#msg6791112)
> Has vouched for everyone wins (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791122#msg6791122). Stretching into D3. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6811459;topicseen#msg6811459) {Notably having quicktopics with NQT, TDS, and DA at this point}, plus "extra conditions" in D4. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6828775#msg6828775)
...It's also subtly a cheap way to earn infractions if people did go by it :P
> The heck is this? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6838006#msg6838006) What's this quip to TMS here? [ALSO expound on this -.- Please recheck the OP wincons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6838408#msg6838408)]
> IMO (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821664#msg6821664), a very good example of banter.
> Has much faith and cheer in people despite bad events happening IRL to him. :'( Such a trooper.
***If any of these people receive 2 infractions, these claims in the links are forfeit.
Also I've a ton of notes in the TDS spoiler that it's actually a DA/TDS/TolyK spoiler given the ton of links and associations derived from it that I'm just -.- all around.
TDS
***Has a paradox role in play. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792893#msg6792893)
Spoiler: TDS Notes* (click to show/hide)
People who cannot be the cult leader:
Tawarochir
All the flipped people [that includes the wild-card Hector, whose alignment is Outsider because of a role which obscures his real alignment] {DA, FoU, Hector, ragshaek :V, NQT}
TolyK has a lot of notes stuck onto him -.-
There's a specific (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792324#msg6792324) query about triggers--possibly the question that led to TolyK picking TDS as his 'quicktopic' person (and also note #7 shared with TDS about 'don't kill me', along with the exposed banter I'm recording from TolyK's night quicktopic choice (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6826217;topicseen#msg6826217)); I'm wondering why you still picked those two, TolyK, especially why only TDS in that circumstance out of anyone at all. Anyone. At. All. And may particularly distrust that TDS' "roleflip is true" role being particularly as it is advertised given the lack of communication traded after N1 between those two, and you, and the general public.
So grouping y'all into a corner--TDS/DA/TolyK as a team given the quicktopic they've got. They're all leaning towards a more solid standpoint of Town or otherwise individually from all that.
That leaves:
Tawarochir
Hector13
The Moonlit Shadow
4maskwolf
Shakerag
Teneb
And Tiruin [Hi!] and a poof'd OrigamiScienceGuy--I'm personally discounting OSG as the cult leader since it seems his action was a night action, and unless that actions means 'convert and poof away for a phase', I'm doubtful of all that ability-funtime.
If anyone has suspicion that I'm the cult leader; bring it forth because I've apparently tied Tawarochir in an action claim in public. Add that to any claim put forth :v If Mafia, bring it too.
Teneb//Deathsword
> Has a lie detector power (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791855#msg6791855) which may be said to be an auto based on his action claims (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6829938;topicseen#msg6829938) [still waiting on why I was crowbar'd and responses to your actions in the other phases]; note the connection (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791771#msg6791771) which provides evidence into that role.
=== Please come forth with details about the lie/truth thingy thus far: Does it activate on the first post per person per day, or is it for every darn post per day?
> Claimed early to have a paradox role too. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791740#msg6791740) [Can't win unless dead. Can't ded unless win?]
TMS
> Seems to have gotten a confusing setup or a 'short stick' as an analogy. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791322#msg6791322)
> Is the cause of the boxes of Orden (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791626#msg6791626); I've a speculation running that if a person who controls a role that makes stuff exist, dies, and the role has no indication that it can work when dead [as is the USUAL IMPLICATION IN ALL ROLES], all boxes of Orden go poof :V So I do deeply inherently believe that it is best to deploy a kill-everyone pattern to simplify everything unless a better plan can be had, thanks to PPE TolyK maneuver.
> I've typed out most of this offline, and my last comprehensive read was until: here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6836840#msg6836840) (despite me posting here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6837465#msg6837465))
So a few questions:
> Why have your posts been singlehandedly oriented towards someone who is possibly a cultist? You're new, and let's hypothetically put you as town: why is a cultist of foremost priority to you when there is lacking confirmation towards it other than erratic behavior? That's my only question on that point because I also have noticed that the lack of day talk and the commitment you put into your words speaks of a newbie-nature rather than a certain Mafia-esque nature trying to scope out cult (that, and I do believe if you were Mafia hunting cult--your allies would've advised you otherwise; if you're cult hunting cult...this isn't something normally done to preserve dignity of that alignment)
> On This post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6838006#msg6838006), did you take into account that DA, TOlyK, and TDS may actually be a impromptu team on their own given their (not-really-subtly-in-Tiruin's-eye) bias in how they're acting lately?
...Cut that short into: Did you pay attention to TolyK's post where he mentioned his quicktopic links (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6826217;topicseen#msg6826217)?
> You voted TDS (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6837055#msg6837055)
Spoiler: on this basis (click to show/hide)
> You say you're going after the Cult Leader or the mafia, (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6838006#msg6838006) alright, that's reasonable. And the line of reasoning in poking TDS is reasonable in that sense. Am I correct in asking that your vote onto him is because you think TDS is the cult leader?
> Could I ask you why you began thinking of 'cultist' and then poked DA, as a first priority of the day for your posting pattern?
>
I'm lacking notes on 4mask, Shakerag, Tawa, [I suspect Hector knows his true alignment because his role was given along with his wincon, probably.]
Because of lacking activity from them.
Hector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791593#msg6791593) has shown his RVS vote into his wincon that forwards getting Shaekrag out.
Shakerag submitted and backs up Tawarochir's role restriction of trigger warnings. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791472#msg6791472)
Shakerag: In this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6843052#msg6843052), what do you think will happen in 2 cycles? The wording has a certain tone to it.
Tawarochir
Has (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6790616#msg6790616). Shown (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6790642#msg6790642). Trigger (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6790455#msg6790455). Warnings (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6790701#msg6790701). BUT has not shown any of those past...well, I think the love of Fire Emblem stopped him from doing that. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6832078#msg6832078)
Everyone voting TMS: I still cannot see the logic which isolates him as a prime target to lynch here. (Excluding the leaning bias seeping out from TDS/DA/TolyK :V), I see a lot of space in between TMS' posts that make him suspicious--I agree that it's a point against him, but it's also a point for him because it's quite a leap to make first of all. Basing your foundation on that leap (see: He has a reads list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6822364#msg6822364) which makes his linear processing from that reasonable, even if it may not seem logical [his vote pattern has been TDS, DA and TolyK though o_O]; This is the only time wherein he voted (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6831693#msg6831693) despite discussing his ideas beforehand regarding DA. This was at a time wherein NOBODY KNEW I HAD THE TIME STOPPED. Take that big mention there.
Yep, TolyK, TDS, DA team confirmed :V
Post by: Tiruin on February 29, 2016, 11:44:45 am
Currently I'm fine with lynching TMS since he's become very active and (more importantly) very defensive this last day (don't even remember any valuable content from BEFORE he jumped on DA, which is actually a point in his favor) AND (Important!) I don't believe the other candidates (DA? that's it?) are worth lynching, at least not yet. Lynching DA, for example, would only give us information on whether he's a cult member now or not, while TMS would give a lot of abilities + possibly alignment.That's cuz you've thrown in your lot with TDS or DA and are grilling TMS, without making sure what he's saying is actually what he's saying instead of implications or impressions or assumptions, as per vote patterns and banter has given me insight into :V I'm also aware that you possibly know the OTHER PEOPLE WITH LOW DAY-SPEAKING-STUFF have said things and somehow are not within your mention of comparison to TMS [while I agree his mentions of cultist//DA is strange, it's reasonable when you see DA's erratic behavior from a non-team-oriented eye. This correlates my idea that a newbie would be invested in. And somehow he's being hit for it {esp when you include DA's playstyle being like a brick wall. Tough and grumpy.}]
After that, we'll see what comes of TMS. At worst I'll be speaking through TDS or DA. :P
But I'm too tired to look back on what TMS said other than noticing what in the world he's been going on about cultists, lacking notes on what he's saying about Mafia (specifically), and whatever.
Dear goodness 4mask, Shakerag, Teneb, other sentient beings, please post more :'(
Oh, also can people please divide their votes if the majority vote is on TMS? Still sitting on refreshing the Nuke button here that'll hit the one with most votes. I can't obviously vote else that'd be like an insta-vote-hammer-day-end button. :V
Post by: hector13 on February 29, 2016, 12:00:40 pm
Not read much of the rest of your post (goddamn) as busy-ass day that has started poorly. It ends in a driving lesson, so hopefully the trend for the day is upward, else I'll be in the jail by the end :o
Post by: Shakerag on February 29, 2016, 01:02:39 pm
Shakerag: In this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6843052#msg6843052), what do you think will happen in 2 cycles? The wording has a certain tone to it.Like, if I use that ability? Well, whoever I kill is returned to the game, still dead. Otherwise they are removed from the game. And dead. I'm not sure if the "removing from the game for 2 cycles" thing happens if the kill doesn't happen.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 29, 2016, 03:09:51 pm
DA's playstyle being like a brick wall. Tough and grumpy.:'(
Just got home. More to follow, hopefully.
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 29, 2016, 05:28:41 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 29, 2016, 05:45:50 pm
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 29, 2016, 06:27:58 pm
After dinner I'll type up a post about why.
Post by: Teneb on February 29, 2016, 06:30:16 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on February 29, 2016, 07:03:31 pm
Well you're definitely allied, if that was questioned :P::)
Post by: TheDarkStar on February 29, 2016, 10:49:44 pm
TolyK
After dinner I'll type up a post about why.
*waits*
Post by: 4maskwolf on February 29, 2016, 11:50:27 pm
Have patience, my young padawan, beyond a quick poke in here to bitch about anti-beaglerush I've been busy all evening. I'm here now, though, give me a bit to put together my case from my scattered thoughts.TolyK
After dinner I'll type up a post about why.
*waits*
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 01, 2016, 12:17:43 am
Aha, so cult leader, by your words. Don't be surprised if I end up as a cult member as well (though I have... tricks up my sleeve... if I get to use them :-\), if this crap is a slowed conversion.This is weird as shit. Out of all of the possible and (by Occam's Razor) more likely scenarios for why the cult didn't convert nights one or two, among them "The cult leader had other powers to use", "the cult leader was role blocked", etc., TolyK picks "Slowed conversion". Without more than one conversion there's no way to be sure that he's right, which would be suspiciously prescient, but it's one of the things in his play that pinged my attention.
Alright, what I see from information so far:This last point also pinged my notice, because he says, supposedly without any prior knowledge of the actual roles in the game, "no sk, possibly a cult". Obviously if he were actually a cult leader he would be able to surmise that there probably wasn't an SK due to balance issues, but even with the excuse of "I have a power that turns someone into a serial killer" (which is a really weird power to claim to begin with, even in a game like this). This was another post from his early game that I noticed and took note of for later.
- 3+ people have boxes of Orden.
- We have an everyone-wins scenario, but not on the first day. It probably involves TDS killing himself.
- Shakerag's twin probably steals roles.
- We have a mafia, no SK (by the looks of it), and possibly a cult. At least based on "no double teams", which could be broken here.
In general he's struck me as not playing in the way I usually associate with town!TolyK and saying things that he shouldn't reasonably know without extra knowledge, and in this case that extra knowledge would most likely stem from being the cult leader. I'll dig up some more stuff when I'm actually awake, but bleh, tired.
Post by: TolyK on March 01, 2016, 03:16:49 am
Also, since people didn't get it:
The Quicktopic I made N1 was between Box of Orden holders/users. Night 1! By then there was only 1 cult leader and that's it, by 4mask's words.
Stop trying to fit your damned cult in everywhere, jeez. :p
Post by: Tiruin on March 01, 2016, 07:46:29 am
Also, since people didn't get it:Hmm...
The Quicktopic I made N1 was between Box of Orden holders/users. Night 1! By then there was only 1 cult leader and that's it, by 4mask's words.
Stop trying to fit your damned cult in everywhere, jeez. :p
It's probably also worth mentioning that the chat was created on night 2, and the number of cult members only increased during night 3 if 4mask is to be believed.Oho! :o
Well...You (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791322#msg6791322) didn't include the person who explicitly has (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6791626;topicseen#msg6791626) a role that puts those boxes in play? The time wherein people knew the box holders was at least by this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792851;topicseen#msg6792851) and nuuuubuddy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6792045#msg6792045) knew that DA has the box until he opened it. TDS made a softclaim (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6790740#msg6790740) that nuuuubuddy could know unless they can infer the ORDEN thingy.
So why make a quicktopic with one person (DA) who ALREADY HAS A USED BOX instead of bringing and adding the person who actually has the power/role that brings those darn boxes into play? IMO, you'd at least understand the bloody boxes if you knew the mechanics behind it (ie The person holding the role that makes it exist--it's my primary standpoint on WHY PEOPLE SHOULDN'T FOCUS ON DARNED NPCs because THEY'RE TIED TO A PERSOOOOOOOOON) :I
I didn't guess 'that' because it seemed totally irrelevant >_>
Can you expound on that decision on why it was a good decision to do such a thing? :V
Alrighty, I've been checking the lurkertracker and snooping down TMS' posts. While his posts are more shotgun and differing in a varied paragraph's worth of content--it's a consistent pattern of linear thinking; he may not be the best dude around in scumhunting, but when he has developed an accusation (inasfar as reading the source/posts equate narrative analysis), he follows it, maybe superficially without thinking about the others, but it follows because those 'others' during his periods of activity bursts, lack posts.
On that note, Tawarochir has lesser posts than the dead. :V And it seems that the current voting system depends on the *how* a person acted (which is very reasonable), but in considering TMS... I honestly doubt that TMS would be acting very, um, straightforwardly(?) if Mafia, or if Cult in which he bases his vote on 'cultist cultist o_O'.
Do you have substantial ideas in this context of voteplacement DA/TDS? I'm doing a bit of silly-poking (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=132415.0) on NQT's ideas here (which I bet is what he'd be doing if he was alive), so in lieu of this perpetual-ish day, I'd like to hear more from you two. Especially towards TMS, because he has that...thing he does that messes up my read-dar. The essence of that thing that is.
Well you're definitely allied, if that was questioned :P
Funny, I'd think I'd belong in that category, don't you? Though now that you've said that... it's possible that you are the one with the box of Orden that changes posts. I'll check tonight, ;)Yo, lots of questions directed to you up there dude :O
Also TolyK and TDS are the ones left with the Boxes of Orden :v
Why is there specific differentiation when...nobody even knows which box does what? What's the use of that?
Hope it clears up soon!Have patience, my young padawan, beyond a quick poke in here to bitch about anti-beaglerush I've been busy all evening. I'm here now, though, give me a bit to put together my case from my scattered thoughts.TolyK
After dinner I'll type up a post about why.
*waits*
Wish you posted more too ._.
I'll try to write up a post pretty soon. Today was not an easy day, since I did not sleep last night and the appropriately-named "waters of march" have started. In short, the entire city (plus others) are in complete disarray (exploding power lines, fallen trees, flooding...) thanks to a storm.Yoo tew \o/
...Any thoughts on my plan on day end though? Anyone? .-.
I didn't mean it that way ._. I mean your scumhunting playstyle sometimes has a rough but astute tone (which is why I made it like a brick wall, it gets the point across--not bluntly, but plainly and acknowledge-...etically :P)DA's playstyle being like a brick wall. Tough and grumpy.:'(
Just got home. More to follow, hopefully.
Post by: TolyK on March 01, 2016, 08:08:52 am
Why those three and not the person who claimed to have made them (who has the role that makes them)? I felt 3 was enough, + DA already flipped town by that point.
Also, has everyone forgotten that DA claimed to have opened the 2nd box and gotten post manipulation powers? Where everyone voted him?
I wasn't worried about what any boxes did (I had already figured out mine was a masskill, so heh), so why would I add TMS? The reason for the chat was a good jumping-off point.
Also, Tawar has basically been absent indeed, though his (her?) actions were trying to... eat NQT's soul (and failing) and... well... :P
Either way I'd be OK with a day end now, this has been dragging on for a while and it seems the last 2-3 pages have been slight back-and-forths with little knowledge gained.
Post by: Tiruin on March 01, 2016, 08:31:04 am
I checked just now. I did make the chat N1. They got invited starting D2, technically, but I made it N1.Where is that opened the 2nd box and how in the world is that even possible? :V
Why those three and not the person who claimed to have made them (who has the role that makes them)? I felt 3 was enough, + DA already flipped town by that point.
Also, has everyone forgotten that DA claimed to have opened the 2nd box and gotten post manipulation powers? Where everyone voted him?
Also if you felt 3 was enough, why pick TDS over TMS?
Also, Tawar has basically been absent indeed, though his (her?) actions were trying to... eat NQT's soul (and failing) and... well... :PTawa is a He, and an awesome He at that. I'm the only She here :P
Either way I'd be OK with a day end now, this has been dragging on for a while and it seems the last 2-3 pages have been slight back-and-forths with little knowledge gained.That's cuz very few people have been posting :V [like yoooooooooou], especially on 'hey, day end please? :)' but lacking note on how I can day end -_- I offered a plan darn'it! (but seriously: I get no feedback on what I said.)
Also I see that abbr tag in the 2-3 pages! :I
Post by: hector13 on March 01, 2016, 02:50:16 pm
... Also, has everyone forgotten that DA claimed to have opened the 2nd box and gotten post manipulation powers? Where everyone voted him?
That was TDS. Easy enough mistake to make, though.
Post by: TolyK on March 01, 2016, 04:35:16 pm
ButQuoteWhy is there specific differentiation when...nobody even knows which box does what? What's the use of that?Because if they're cult, (which I think TDS is) we'd need to lynch the one with post manipulation powers first. So that's out of the way.
- we know who has what (TDS has the post manip powers)
- TDS = cult leader? Then how could he target himself all 3 nights and recruit someone? (I'm pretty sure someone said he visited himself 3 nights). It's possible we only have his word that he self-targeted 3 nights, which means it's technically possible.
Post by: Shakerag on March 01, 2016, 05:01:01 pm
Tiruin, who are you most suspicious of and why?
Post by: Teneb on March 01, 2016, 07:12:17 pm
...Any thoughts on my plan on day end though? Anyone? .-.I... can't find it. Unless you mean daykilling whomever has the motes votes, causing number 2 to get lynched instead. Also, have you noticed that role is lying? It says it is the only daykill, but now DA has one too.
Fuck, all I can see to talk about is the TMS vs DA thing, but I think it is pretty much a waste of time. They are just talking past each other saying "you're scum!" "no, you are!" "no, are the real scum, totes for real this time.!"
Anyway, Shakerag, how do you feel about the fact that OSG will try to kill you when he returns?
Post by: Shakerag on March 02, 2016, 10:04:59 am
Anyway, Shakerag, how do you feel about the fact that OSG will try to kill you when he returns?Wait, what? Since when is this a thing?
Post by: Teneb on March 02, 2016, 12:53:17 pm
Teneb:I traded one of my roles for his role that lets him try to kill you as many times as he wants. He can undo the trade at any time as a free action, as I found out when Tiruin did similar (as in, I found out it didn't cost an action). The role I traded with him will be pretty useless since he used its one-shot and all that will be left is a rather useless auto.Anyway, Shakerag, how do you feel about the fact that OSG will try to kill you when he returns?Wait, what? Since when is this a thing?
Post by: TolyK on March 02, 2016, 02:06:41 pm
Can you do this only once a night/day/phase?
Post by: Teneb on March 02, 2016, 02:09:27 pm
Hold on. Can you trade roles if you know the action/role name, or is it random?Random (on their end, I pick which of mine). Once a day, already did today.
Can you do this only once a night/day/phase?
Post by: TolyK on March 02, 2016, 02:36:42 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 03, 2016, 07:22:24 pm
Post by: flabort on March 03, 2016, 07:31:24 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 03, 2016, 07:31:53 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 03, 2016, 10:58:48 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 03, 2016, 11:07:18 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 03, 2016, 11:12:50 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2016, 11:18:27 pm
If nothing happens within the next 18ish hours, I will change one of Tiruin's posts and force a lynch. This day has gone on far too long and there is almost no more discussion - we need info from a roleflip.'Almost no more discussion' because people haven't been proactive in as much as I would like -_- (esp Shakerag and several others).
"If nothing happens" also covers YOU discussing Mr. 'I can change to end the day'. :v There is no response post-TMS 'certainty', and a lacking content-comparison from you onto the rest here. I'm tired of people relying on their roles and not even playing the day game at all (in which I mean, this is something I've felt since D3!), because my notes point out a lackluster participation from a significant # of people that does not equate to the approximate #s of a scumteam.
And point noted--this is one ability YOU haven't claimed :v
Can we please end the day?Votecount first
There's that inexplicable D1 silliness that nobody has claimed or talked about.
Ahh, mah gawd.All the bloody activelurkers who aren't posting and instead giving token posts instead. Also not-DA, FoU, Hector (Tawarochir having a very lackluster streak of content and activity thus far! And is contending with my darn claim on him but it'd be WEIRD because if it's not a kill-despite-him-saying-it's a kill, it doesn't make sense to say it's something a cultist would do, so he's either Mafia or Town.), and probably-by-memory Teneb because he acted last night on me to swap a role, and didn't use it (also @Teneb, I asked Flabort about it and his answer was straightly...cryptic o_O), so his attitude thus far doesn't make me think he's scum, on a team, or the cult leader since any discussion about a cultist's ability-actions cannot have occurred before this MORNING thanks to 4mask. Which is another tangent I'll pull up--this goes parallel with TMS' actions; how he worked with suspicion, despite seemingly feeling narrowminded, makes reasonable sense! [Do note logic != reason]
Tiruin, who are you most suspicious of and why?
TMS is strangely ignoring part of my post for reasons unknown >_> I'm still holding a newbie card onto him given his actions henceforth but...it's feeling superficial. One of those fuzzy reads who, if not really a newbie, I'd be pegging hard as scum. <.<
Who are YOU most suspicious of, Shakerag? We've got a total of less posts from you today than I have fingers and toes :-\ And there's lacking talk from you that makes me wish to deploy the plan on lynching activelurkers instead of what had occurred today [I'm OK with lynching TMS because I'm unsure about him given the #count, BUT I am not happy with it because I really feel like it'd be better used for ANYONE ELSE]
TDS What the fish are you even doing with your sense of control? Change my post? What're you even doing to forward the goals of the acclaimed 'township' you hide under? I see a lackluster combination of content, insight, evaluation, and especially analysis from you this day--especially considering the note of DA/TolyK being by your side in a darn quicktopic! There's an especial lack of consideration towards TMS (and rather a big focus on him because he took the point to argue with DA, and vote him LATER ON IN GAME. There's a severe lack of content analysis from you--and in comparison to many other players this game, would peg you out as someone I'd intently vote if not for their behavior being nearly on the same level!)
PPEx2:
Ooo, "detrimental to productivity". Let's bring up the content of all your posts later on and see how productive one's own personal initiative is instead of the damned day length -_- Ugh this.
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2016, 11:22:10 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 03, 2016, 11:25:20 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 03, 2016, 11:27:26 pm
The biggest failure of this game is the lacking content people are posting on, and I'm currently stressed by PFP that I can't think about how to even do so other than poking at the reasoning behind why people are voting whomever. Which is pretty applicable considering the bare # of things given in the lurkertracker.
Also I launched the nuke on TolyK to remove his infractions, maybe. :V [Hey, reply to this sentence! It's scummy! V: ACTIVITY.]
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 02:53:14 am
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 03:01:13 am
Worst case is that you fail yet again, I guess... >.>
From my talk with NQT, what I can say is:
- scum also searching for cult (they can ;), kinda)
- scum have several abilities that can help with the annoying-role-removal
- there's a way, assuming I don't get blocked yet again, for me to force roleflips for multiple players
Assuming I can action tomorrow and I get a bit more knowledge, I'll spill some more of the teams. :D
(If dead - through TDS/DA, and if they don't talk then they're baddies :D)
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2016, 06:12:08 am
Wait, you tried to daykill me again? Well, this might be interesting.Dude :v Content analysis. I was only saying that because I stated what exactly my daykill works on explicitly many times before. :V
Worst case is that you fail yet again, I guess... >.>
Assuming I can action tomorrow and I get a bit more knowledge, I'll spill some more of the teams. :DHow townlike. :V Y u no spill moar now Mr. Middleman. (They're baddies because of the lacking content analysis and I am a grumpy old hag :I)
(If dead - through TDS/DA, and if they don't talk then they're baddies :D)
Worst case is you deploying a day-action to defend yourself when if you know you're town--we can work together <_> But there's a lacking cohesion here...for the generality of players. I mean even if everyone massclaimed--there can at least be a pattern formation around here to quickly and hastily narrow things down! (It would help if SOMEONE ordered a nuke-all pizza so we can ultimately narrow down the teams too. :V)
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2016, 06:15:37 am
Post by: Tiruin on March 04, 2016, 06:17:26 am
(But seriously. That one person who didn't claim that.)
Do note that the wording of my ability that kept day still dissolves upon me sending an action or voting. So EITHER the time I sent in the PM or the time I posted = day end explicitly at that time.
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 07:01:56 am
Post by: flabort on March 04, 2016, 04:38:59 pm
Quote from: THE GRIFFIN
Bwack? Grrrrr... Buck Roar Buck RrrrrolyK.
Quote from: THE SARGENT
Well said, soldier. TolyK, 30 laps around the compound.Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar: TheMoonlitShadow
Hector13 (I):
The Moonlit Shadow: TheDarkStar, Shakerag, Deus Asmoth, TolyK
Tiruin:
4maskwolf:
Shakerag: Teneb, Tiruin
Teneb:
TolyK (II): 4maskwolf, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Deus Asmoth: Tawarochir
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TheMoonlitShadow, Hector13
Event!
TheMoonLitShadow is attacked, but does not die.
Event!
The time warp ends, time snapping back to it's original flow; day ends in half an hour.
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 04:43:40 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 04:50:59 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 04, 2016, 04:54:49 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 04, 2016, 04:57:57 pm
I think that merits another Shakerag for you.Oh my god, you blatant scumbag. TMS TMS TMS
Post by: Shakerag on March 04, 2016, 05:00:06 pm
Yes, I'm claiming to be a super-saint.
Post by: Shakerag on March 04, 2016, 05:02:21 pm
You... stole OSG's votes?No, you scumbucket. All three of those votes are mine.
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 05:07:49 pm
Shakerag, my question is - why the votes? As in, why did you vote for me such, disregarding you being up for the lynch.
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 05:09:26 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 04, 2016, 05:11:55 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 04, 2016, 05:13:52 pm
Post by: flabort on March 04, 2016, 05:13:58 pm
TheMoonlitShadow: TheDarkStar, Deus Asmoth, Shakerag, Shakerag, Shakerag
Shakerag: Teneb, Tiruin, The Moonlit Shadow, TolyK, The Moonlit Shadow
TolyK: 4maskwolf, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Deus Asmoth: Tawarochir
A divide formed on the deck of the vessel; not in the vessel itself, but between the people on it. Each side was baying for the blood of a member on the other side, but nothing was being accomplished; every time the groups got close, an equal number of people would protect the person that the other group was attacking for each group, and nobody managed to land a single hit. Eventually they all wore themselves out, and went their seperate ways.
A tie has occurred, and no lynch took place.
Day 4 Ends (finally) and Night 4 begins!
Night will end Monday Afternoon (in about 72 RL hours)
Post by: flabort on March 06, 2016, 08:53:41 pm
At the very end of the day, after the no lynch and before the night started, a shadow fell over Deus Asmoth and Tiruin.
Images of three witches were seen, and each drew a sword and fell on it.
Tiruin has died! She was Mafia
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Deus Asmoth has died. He was Still Town
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
So anyone who's night action may or may not have had to do with these two, might want to revise it.
Post by: flabort on March 08, 2016, 05:08:05 pm
Post by: flabort on March 08, 2016, 05:50:58 pm
The Moonlit Shadow has died! They were Mafia! The have been REMOVED FROM THE GAME (until day 7)!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Deus Asmoth has come back to life! Deus Asmoth has died! There is no change to their roleflip from 2 posts ago!
4maskwolf has died! They were Town!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oragamiscienceguy is back in the game!
Night 4 is over! Day 5 Begins!
Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
NotQuiteThere:
Oragamiscienceguy:
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Hector13, Tawarochir, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT, Teneb, TheDarkStar, Shakerag, TolyK, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Notquitethere
Day ends Friday afternoon. 0/2 extensions used.
Post by: notquitethere on March 08, 2016, 06:01:24 pm
Okay, kids this is a puzzle. Team Mean is going to keep resurrecting when they'd lose otherwise so there's no point killing me just yet. We've got more pressing matters. This is going to be like one of those episodes where Ash teams up with Team Rocket to face down the bigger threat. In this instance we got a cult in our midst and I need to know what you all plan to do about it.
Post by: Shakerag on March 08, 2016, 06:03:19 pm
And, uhh, sorry about the tie at the end of D4. I miscounted, apparently.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 08, 2016, 06:07:55 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 08, 2016, 06:13:05 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 08, 2016, 06:17:27 pm
This game is clearly flabort just exercising a vendetta against me. >:(
Pfft. Just fuckin' pfft.
Post by: notquitethere on March 08, 2016, 06:18:25 pm
Hey NQT, did the scumteam try to kill me last night?
Nope. TDS, who is unkillable it appears.
Post by: Shakerag on March 08, 2016, 06:35:24 pm
And how do you know that?Hey NQT, did the scumteam try to kill me last night?
Nope. TDS, who is unkillable it appears.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2016, 06:49:21 pm
I'm also curious. Especially because I can't kill anyone.And how do you know that?Hey NQT, did the scumteam try to kill me last night?
Nope. TDS, who is unkillable it appears.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2016, 06:59:28 pm
Shakerag: Did you survive a bomb or something similar? If you did, what happened to TMS?
NotQuiteThere: You are mafia and so you kind of need to die.
Everyone: Does anyone have a role that they can use to give NQT two infractions to stop all his powers from working?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2016, 07:00:12 pm
EBWOP: Some messages relayed from Deus Asmoth:
Shakerag: Did you survive a bomb or something similar? If you did, what happened to TMS?
NotQuiteThere: You are mafia and so you kind of need to die.
Everyone: Does anyone have a role that they can use to give NQT two infractions to stop all his powers from working?
EBWOP: To clarify, NQT has a role that stops anyone from winning whether he is alive or dead.
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 07:11:20 pm
Hey NQT, did the scumteam try to kill me last night?Well, someone did, since I protected you from a kill (I did get told I stopped a kill).
But hold on a bit.
Quote from: NQT's Flip
Mandatory Shakeragian ShenanigansWe have a cult, so how could the town win? Unless its one of the third parties, but... it doesn't make sense. So... did the cult compromise half the living players before NQT revived?
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
TDS: Do you understand it is kind of pointless to kill NQT while he (or one of his buddies) will keep coming back? It's like killing you. Or me, for that matter.
Post by: flabort on March 08, 2016, 07:16:20 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 07:21:18 pm
Post by: flabort on March 08, 2016, 07:24:37 pm
If any one team or player would lose or win, or be unable to win, due to the death of a player, then a player is resurrected to prevent this; the player which is resurrected is the first one who died who's resurrection would successfully prevent the win or loss.
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 07:28:30 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 07:32:34 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 07:40:44 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 07:54:41 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 07:55:30 pm
Which role do you want me to return?The one I gave you? Discworld's Death, you know, the one you used to leave the game?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 07:59:41 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 08, 2016, 07:59:59 pm
Bah.
Post by: hector13 on March 08, 2016, 08:05:06 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 08:07:55 pm
Could someone maybe revive Ragshake?I think I am the only reviser (necomancer with a jetpack and a bazooka) and both it's uses have already been used. Whatever that dead guy said about being a reviver is complete bullshit I revived Deus Asmoth night one, not him. And I revived you, Hector night two. Your Welcome, I guess.
Post by: hector13 on March 08, 2016, 08:15:00 pm
And thanks for nuttin' :P
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 09:40:05 pm
You didn't give me back my role. You gave me this one:
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 09:55:12 pm
TanebYup. See, I got it off NQT. Quite lucky. Since I gave your role to him, you got it instead! Too bad DA is super dead, though, but if you are willing to play along, the both of us can get rid of that role tomorrow!
You didn't give me back my role. You gave me this one:
Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
(Auto) You cannot win while...: If any team or player would win, the first person who died who's living would prevent that victory is resurected. They retain their access to the dead-chat.
(Auto) ...this role is in play: This role functions even if it's owner is dead.
See, I know you are not mafia (since they got all killed once). Maybe you are cult, maybe not, but this way? This way it'll remain in play. I'll try to snag DA's kryptonite tomorrow and erase that role. And since you know which role I received, you know I am unable to kill you. Heck, I will even ensure you live through the night!
I am pretty sure I figured out how to win.
Also, seriously, it's Teneb. There is no "a".
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2016, 10:05:53 pm
I am pretty sure I figured out how to win.
Details?
Post by: Teneb on March 08, 2016, 10:09:01 pm
No.I am pretty sure I figured out how to win.
Details?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 10:10:30 pm
Deathswords
Did I spell it right?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2016, 10:11:33 pm
Lynch NQT to force Tiruin to revive. Then have Shakerag kill Tiruin (and this will apparently bypass NQT's role). If it works, then we only have a cult left to deal with. If it doesn't work, then there is no cult and my role blocked the kill.
Post by: TolyK on March 08, 2016, 11:00:07 pm
Lets see how to break this game now...
I believe I have a strategy for how everyone can win, now. Literally everyone, except maybe the NPC's.
It would require coordination, and I'd tell you now but I'm still making sure this would work as I intend it to.
Post by: hector13 on March 08, 2016, 11:20:35 pm
Oh, well that's useful.
Lets see how to break this game now...
I believe I have a strategy for how everyone can win, now. Literally everyone, except maybe the NPC's.
It would require coordination, and I'd tell you now but I'm still making sure this would work as I intend it to.
Doubt it.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2016, 11:23:02 pm
I'm bad and I'm back! Did you miss me?So, uh, you get 3 infractions now? Plus the one infraction or you just got 1 infraction? :P
Okay, kids this is a puzzle. Team Mean is going to keep resurrecting when they'd lose otherwise so there's no point killing me just yet. We've got more pressing matters. This is going to be like one of those episodes where Ash teams up with Team Rocket to face down the bigger threat. In this instance we got a cult in our midst and I need to know what you all plan to do about it.
WHERE'S YOUR INFRACTIONS D:<Hey NQT, did the scumteam try to kill me last night?
Nope. TDS, who is unkillable it appears.
/me rawrs :I
Guys, I seriously think we can't reply because we're dead DESPITE BEING DEAD and infractions :vI'm also curious. Especially because I can't kill anyone.And how do you know that?Hey NQT, did the scumteam try to kill me last night?
Nope. TDS, who is unkillable it appears.
But we are not going to reply to those questions of those sorts because that's literally going against our wincon, and if we do that--despite being able to reply while dead--it makes the game more cheesy than it is currently[/bittur]
How the fish is NQT back in game when it wasn't stated he has been revived in the day chat? I should be getting an infraction card because of that EVEN IF everyone 'technically' knows his power that gets him revived. :I
[Also TDS is scum because he's voting for Mafia instead of finding Cult and lynching them AND THEN lynching NQT :v]
{This is partly why I'm bitter. Seeming superficial logic coming from players -.-}
We have a cult, so how could the town win? Unless its one of the third parties, but... it doesn't make sense. So... did the cult compromise half the living players before NQT revived?By LYNCHING OR KILLING CULT and then GETTING MAFIA OFF :D
With capitalization for emphasis instead of screaming or whatever other parsing is had.
The Moonlit Shadow has died! They were Mafia! The have been REMOVED FROM THE GAME (until day 7)!TEAM THE FOR THE WIN!
But I'm SERIOUSLY disappointed in our competition this game -_- Especially in SHAKERAG. I looked up at you(r activity) dude. :-\
Also if anyone logic'd stuffs, people would notice and believe there is a CULT :v because NQT's whatever didn't proc.
Also FoU, I still didn't think your vote was serious because it was on misleading basis. :P Take that dead-buddy! D:<
This game is clearly flabort just exercising a vendetta against me. >:(This game is clearly flabort just exercising a vendetta against ME! :V
Also let's break up what I did since y'all can trust me now that my bitter-face is cast away (but srsly. I'm just bitter because the day game wasn't played at all by the statistically majority 'town' -_-. Srsly guys?)
> I infraction'd TolyK because of the Kill all button.
> I infraction'd Hector because...he was an outsider?
I didn't put much thought behind them, but I did put all those thoughts into deadchat! :D
From Deus Asmoth:How's about y'all find cult instead of being itchy towards NQT, hmm? It's plaintively obvious that EVERYONE knows NQT's stuff by now. He's like the elephant in the room and you're still giving direction onto him. Dude. Seriously.
Lynch NQT to force Tiruin to revive. Then have Shakerag kill Tiruin (and this will apparently bypass NQT's role). If it works, then we only have a cult left to deal with. If it doesn't work, then there is no cult and my role blocked the kill.
If you're going to make strategies like these ESPECIALLY YOU, DA :I, you could give detail onto it that makes it openly-sounded in tone :-\
Because that's a really inefficient strategy there -_- (And someone didn't read what other people posted here.) :P (DA: Read up what Teneb and the others said--maybe THEY'RE the cult leader! Or, y'know, since you can post in a QUICKTOPIC that can be RELAYED ONTO THE LIVING, maybe advice should be said in a deferential and objective manner than...something one-sided? You can come back to life anyway in the technical manner and by plain inspection--MAFIA CAN'T.)
/me gladly accepts that one infraction.
Still very disappointed in "town" play. Cult is doing very good in being hidden in that midst (because of low activity and lacking scumhunting).
And this is all written by a person who is neutral in her dealings with no ulterior motive now. :v
How's about you break down your 'everybody wins scheme', Cult Leader TolyK? (No I can't vote or anything. :V)Oh, well that's useful.
Lets see how to break this game now...
I believe I have a strategy for how everyone can win, now. Literally everyone, except maybe the NPC's.
It would require coordination, and I'd tell you now but I'm still making sure this would work as I intend it to.
Doubt it.
I'd love it if people STOPPED REDIRECTING ATTENTION TO NPCS BECAUSE THEY AREN'T SIGNIFICANT.
Yes I mean that, Sarge, and Griffin :I Your feelings are FISH I:
[/mean]
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 08, 2016, 11:23:49 pm
Oh, well that's useful.
Lets see how to break this game now...
I believe I have a strategy for how everyone can win, now. Literally everyone, except maybe the NPC's.
It would require coordination, and I'd tell you now but I'm still making sure this would work as I intend it to.
Doubt it.
Why?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 08, 2016, 11:30:04 pm
I know Flabort said somewhere that there was no deadchat. So how could you have put it in the deadchat.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2016, 11:38:39 pm
[color=]Red Tiruin[/color]I..I'll just cry in a corner now.
I know Flabort said somewhere that there was no deadchat. So how could you have put it in the deadchat.
[please tell me this won't add to the # of infractions -_- Or maybe I'm not sure since this is a basic correction of understanding]
I never said deadchat.
Post by: TolyK on March 08, 2016, 11:45:43 pm
Also, I am not the cult leader. We've all but ruled that out - I'd have had to bypass 2 action blocks AND converted the same night.
Post by: Tiruin on March 08, 2016, 11:48:54 pm
That was meant to be said as 'scumchat'. But since we're all dead (and I'm trusting the Flabort-posts more than the implicitly assumed NQT lives idea), that's what I typed .-.
I'm a fish ._.
Post by: Shakerag on March 09, 2016, 01:24:49 am
But I'm SERIOUSLY disappointed in our competition this game -_- Especially in SHAKERAG. I looked up at you(r activity) dude. :-\*pat pat*
Sorry, hon. This is clearly a heavy night-oriented game. So I wasn't exactly putting my all into my day game. But, uh, my activity level is never all that high >_> (BUT I'M ALWAYS HIGH AHAHAHA :D:D)
For what it's worth, I never really suspected you were scum.
Also you should really shut up right about now =P
SHAKERAG WAS HERE, and voted Tawar TDS.
Post by: Teneb on March 09, 2016, 05:39:59 am
Fine UnvoteIt used to be Deathsword, no "s" in the end. But, if you want to lynch me so bad... Teneb.
Deathswords
Did I spell it right?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 09, 2016, 09:38:54 am
Unvote x2
So you know how to make that ability stop working tomorow?
Post by: 4maskwolf on March 09, 2016, 12:12:24 pm
NUKULAR BLAST!
Post by: Shakerag on March 09, 2016, 12:39:40 pm
Shakerag: Did you survive a bomb or something similar? If you did, what happened to TMS?Well, it was my bomb on TMS ... but, yeah, I technically was caught in the blast but survived it.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaah.So, targeted TMS last night too, eh?
NUKULAR BLAST!
Post by: flabort on March 09, 2016, 06:46:05 pm
Blergh. Real life stuff. Gonna go to sad thread... maybe.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2016, 09:27:33 am
My first one lets me reflect any ability used on me back to the user, but it still affects me too.
I have one that will randomize targets of whoever I target, with the chance of success getting lower the more people I target.
Necromancer with a Jetpack and a Bazooka. I can raise two people from the dead. I have done that already.
I used to have: "proof that flabort Hates me" which made me able to perform some actions on shakerag, and be immune from amything from him, but I think NQT has that now.
And finally, I have Donald Trump's political career, which gives me three votes, and I can build a wall around someone, making them immune and blocking them.
Post by: TolyK on March 10, 2016, 09:43:15 am
What's more interesting is this one:
I have one that will randomize targets of whoever I target, with the chance of success getting lower the more people I target.Have you used your target randomization? If you target only 1 target, is the success rate 100%? Also, is this who you target PER NIGHT or PER ACTION?
Example: You send in "randomize t1, t2, t3, t4; free action on t5", that's, for example, a 1/4=25% success rate, or a 1/5=20%?
Oh, nevermind, the most important role is this one:
And finally, I have Donald Trump's political career, which gives me three votes, and I can build a wall around someone, making them immune and blocking them.:P
Shakerag, I'm still pretty annoyed that you decided to stealthily vote me through your NPC's. Why?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2016, 10:04:37 am
If I target one person, 15% chance of failure. If I target 2 people, 30% chance of failure for each person. 3 people, 45% chance of failure per person. etc.
Mathematically, I would on average get the most people if I target 3.
Tolyk, did you make the role donald trump's political career?
Post by: TolyK on March 10, 2016, 10:33:55 am
A lot of the roles I sent in haven't been claimed yet. That means they're either really good or really bad. Eh.
If I target one person, 15% chance of failure. If I target 2 people, 30% chance of failure for each person. 3 people, 45% chance of failure per person. etc.OK, so it's you targeting. That means what I thought of won't work.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2016, 10:40:18 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2016, 10:42:50 am
Post by: TolyK on March 10, 2016, 10:48:59 am
Post by: hector13 on March 10, 2016, 10:58:39 am
Post by: Teneb on March 10, 2016, 12:25:31 pm
Teneb, has the "take a vacation" ability gotten refilled?No.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2016, 01:44:09 pm
Teneb, has the "take a vacation" ability gotten refilled?No.
Okay, Toylk. This probably means that my necromancer ability won't refill if you take it.
Post by: Shakerag on March 10, 2016, 06:50:33 pm
Shakerag, I'm still pretty annoyed that you decided to stealthily vote me through your NPC's. Why?For the last time, you #%&$, I do not have any control over the NPCs. If I did, why wouldn't I have had them vote TMS at the end of the day as well? (REASONS!)
So, like, what's the current plan and all? I can just keep nuking people every other night if there's no better idea. OR EVEN IF THERE IS! :D:D:D
Post by: Teneb on March 10, 2016, 07:15:53 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 10, 2016, 08:03:52 pm
Also, does anyone happen to need more actions the night after next? I can give people a few more. I can also double actions tonight but all doubled actions will hit the same target.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 10, 2016, 08:29:58 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 11, 2016, 05:06:45 am
Also, does anyone happen to need more actions the night after next? I can give people a few more. I can also double actions tonight but all doubled actions will hit the same target.I could do with some more actions, that'd be handy thanks.
Post by: Teneb on March 11, 2016, 05:35:56 am
Once we remove the other disruptive role (and probably remove the mafia), I'll have Deus Asmoth give me a bunch of infractions to get me modkilled (unless someone can remove the role from me first). I don't block losing, only winning, so we should be fine lynching the mafia after the other disruptive role is gone.The problem with your plan is that it seems DA is not coming back (since it was OSG who revived him).
Also, does anyone happen to need more actions the night after next? I can give people a few more. I can also double actions tonight but all doubled actions will hit the same target.
I'd say hold off on the multiple action thing for now.
Post by: TolyK on March 11, 2016, 08:34:55 am
Theoretically, we can break the game by turning everyone into town. Literally. It requires cooperation from at worst everyone (to not screw it up) or at least the anti-Town roles. Those who wouldn't comply for some reason would just be killed off, I guess, or replaced. :p
Post by: notquitethere on March 11, 2016, 08:56:27 am
Alright, the Big Plan.I'm listening. What would the plan require?
Theoretically, we can break the game by turning everyone into town. Literally. It requires cooperation from at worst everyone (to not screw it up) or at least the anti-Town roles. Those who wouldn't comply for some reason would just be killed off, I guess, or replaced. :p
Post by: TolyK on March 11, 2016, 09:08:45 am
The basic plan is to give everyone (every non-town) one of my roles that allows a change of wincon, and pass it around. I have a power to transfer a random role from one player to the next, but given tons of actions I could just move ALL the roles around from person to person, given we isolate the wincon-changer-role. Potentially, whoever had the "trade away temporarily" role could also do it. This would require 1 night per "converted" (to town) person, but it would work with all living players. Given NQT's role, mafia members would also revive, and we could give them their chance at townhood.
Seems good?
(Alternatively, we can turn everyone into jesters. :P)
Post by: Teneb on March 11, 2016, 09:39:01 am
We'll also need to take down the cult leader or they'll just keep converting.
Post by: Shakerag on March 11, 2016, 10:16:47 am
Also, it would be super awesome if everyone would give me a list of potential cult suspects (SO THAT I COULD BUS THEM). If I happen to die somehow I have the potential to take ... a number of other players with me.
Post by: notquitethere on March 11, 2016, 10:24:22 am
Also, it would be super awesome if everyone would give me a list of potential cult suspects. If I happen to die somehow I have the potential to take ... a number of other players with me.I don't know but I would advise not wasting a kill on someone kill immune, also I haven't been compromised by the cult (as proved by my role flip and the fact I was revived as a mafia member). So Anyone But NQT is good. If anyone kills me, they'll just get Tiruin back (who is lovely, but might appreciate a break from all this madness).
Post by: TolyK on March 11, 2016, 02:06:52 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 11, 2016, 03:36:37 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 11, 2016, 03:50:38 pm
Whoever made the griffin and the sargent, didn't it say they were randomely assigned a team other than scum? I think that means that there is a 50% chance that each of them is cult. Unless they could be assigned to some neutral group or something. It's all I've got.Yeah, they get assigned to a random, non-mafia alignment.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 11, 2016, 06:54:24 pm
Once we remove the other disruptive role (and probably remove the mafia), I'll have Deus Asmoth give me a bunch of infractions to get me modkilled (unless someone can remove the role from me first). I don't block losing, only winning, so we should be fine lynching the mafia after the other disruptive role is gone.The problem with your plan is that it seems DA is not coming back (since it was OSG who revived him).
Also, does anyone happen to need more actions the night after next? I can give people a few more. I can also double actions tonight but all doubled actions will hit the same target.
I'd say hold off on the multiple action thing for now.
DA can apparently come back. I've been talking to him in the quickchat (although I'd have to go through everything again to check why he can come back).
Also, the thing about actions is not a one-time offer. I can give TolyK as many actions as he's likely to need and then some.
I can buy into that plan... though someone needs to be willing to die (alongside me) in the last night of the game.
We'll also need to take down the cult leader or they'll just keep converting.
I can die on the last night if I still have my antiwin role (assuming someone gets around my kill immunity, but I think I've got that dealt with).
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 11, 2016, 07:06:48 pm
Also, the thing about actions is not a one-time offer. I can give TolyK as many actions as he's likely to need and then some.
To clarify, I can give other people multiple actions every night (but it only applies the night after that).
Post by: flabort on March 12, 2016, 02:50:51 pm
Uh... I probably won't be able to end it today, either, so let's just say it got extended to... monday, eh?
Post by: TolyK on March 12, 2016, 03:48:47 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 12, 2016, 11:08:19 pm
We need an action claim for N3 from Teneb because he is one of the suspects for cult leader.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 13, 2016, 12:10:15 am
Post by: TolyK on March 13, 2016, 03:18:51 am
So, it seems reasonable to assume that one (or two) of the two NPC's (The griffin or the seargent) may be part of the cult.It's reasonable in theory, but not reasonable to assume - players are much more useful to the cult leader. :p
Unless you mean they ended up randomly cult, but wouldn't that mean that the cult converted NOBODYN1-N3?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 13, 2016, 08:24:40 am
Post by: Teneb on March 13, 2016, 08:36:50 am
From Deus:I already said it: I protected Shakerag. I even got a message saying it stopped a kill. I said it in my first post of D5.
We need an action claim for N3 from Teneb because he is one of the suspects for cult leader.
Post by: Teneb on March 13, 2016, 08:37:40 am
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 13, 2016, 08:42:48 am
On N3 I tried to forcibly reclaim my role from OSG, but it failed due to him going on vacation.That's Ironic :P
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 13, 2016, 01:03:28 pm
Tawarochir, what did you do N2 and N3?
Teneb, what did you do N2?
Shakerag, was creating the NPCs the only thing you did N3? Why could you make two of them?
Post by: Teneb on March 13, 2016, 01:07:13 pm
Teneb, what did you do N2?DA should read the thread. I claimed it. But since I am feeling too lazy to go dig up the quote for it, I'll just repeat it: I jailed (roleblock + protect) Tiruin.
Let me guess, the next one is "Teneb, what did you do N1?", so let's get it out of the way. I tried to protect hector, but due to the rules that were in effect, it turned into a kill. Which is impressive since it bypassed one of my other roles that prevent me from doing a kill, ever (OSG can confirm this).
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 13, 2016, 01:15:21 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 13, 2016, 01:19:19 pm
Teneb, what did you do N2?DA should read the thread. I claimed it. But since I am feeling too lazy to go dig up the quote for it, I'll just repeat it: I jailed (roleblock + protect) Tiruin.
Let me guess, the next one is "Teneb, what did you do N1?", so let's get it out of the way. I tried to protect hector, but due to the rules that were in effect, it turned into a kill. Which is impressive since it bypassed one of my other roles that prevent me from doing a kill, ever (OSG can confirm this).
:o you bitch! >:(
Even if it was meant as a protect.
Why were you protecting me anyways?
Post by: Shakerag on March 13, 2016, 01:25:36 pm
Shakerag, was creating the NPCs the only thing you did N3? Why could you make two of them?Yes, and because I can take 2 actions every night. ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT, PUNK?
Post by: Teneb on March 13, 2016, 01:28:36 pm
I thought you were a likely kill target, though I can't remember the exact reasoning.Teneb, what did you do N2?DA should read the thread. I claimed it. But since I am feeling too lazy to go dig up the quote for it, I'll just repeat it: I jailed (roleblock + protect) Tiruin.
Let me guess, the next one is "Teneb, what did you do N1?", so let's get it out of the way. I tried to protect hector, but due to the rules that were in effect, it turned into a kill. Which is impressive since it bypassed one of my other roles that prevent me from doing a kill, ever (OSG can confirm this).
:o you bitch! >:(
Even if it was meant as a protect.
Why were you protecting me anyways?
Post by: hector13 on March 13, 2016, 04:14:06 pm
Anyway, I still need my Ragshake role to go away regardless of whatever alignment I have.
Post by: TolyK on March 13, 2016, 04:15:33 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 13, 2016, 04:17:57 pm
We could technically destroy it through Shakerag, right?
If he can get rid of roles, probably.
Otherwise my only recourse is to try to get Ragshake resurrected and removed from the game somehow.
Post by: TolyK on March 13, 2016, 04:24:10 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 13, 2016, 04:32:40 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 13, 2016, 11:35:06 pm
But he's already claimed to be able to turn roles into NPC's...If you can get the role from hector13 to me somehow, sure.
Post by: notquitethere on March 14, 2016, 03:28:08 am
Post by: TolyK on March 14, 2016, 07:15:24 am
I could transfer a random role, but theoretically I could transfer all his roles to you. Hm...But he's already claimed to be able to turn roles into NPC's...If you can get the role from hector13 to me somehow, sure.
Still, town don't need to be alive to win and we need the cult dead, so we should probably still lynch today. GriffinWhy Griffin, specifically?
Also, NQT, please check our chatty-chat. :3
Post by: Shakerag on March 14, 2016, 08:54:49 am
I'm okay with this.
Post by: Teneb on March 14, 2016, 09:48:23 am
Post by: TolyK on March 14, 2016, 10:57:24 am
Griffin
Post by: TolyK on March 14, 2016, 11:00:38 am
Unvote.
There was a feeling (between DA, TDS and me) that Tawar is the cult leader, and thus currently the most dangerous (esp. to any plans :p).
Technically, the game is won either way, just this gives less risk of failure. NPC voting is decent too, imo.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 14, 2016, 11:07:10 am
Post by: notquitethere on March 14, 2016, 11:32:27 am
Post by: Shakerag on March 14, 2016, 11:55:23 am
Tararochir
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 14, 2016, 12:53:25 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 14, 2016, 01:27:41 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 14, 2016, 01:28:51 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 14, 2016, 01:39:35 pm
Actions that were (both) claimed and confirmed.
Post by: hector13 on March 14, 2016, 01:47:18 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 14, 2016, 02:07:00 pm
Tawarochir
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 14, 2016, 02:07:35 pm
Forgot I had three votes :P
Post by: Teneb on March 14, 2016, 02:10:35 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 15, 2016, 12:56:26 pm
Flabooooooort...
Post by: flabort on March 16, 2016, 10:02:18 pm
Day end, anyone?Still here! Sorry bout the delays, for the past couple days Ive had no time for myself, what with funeral preparations and all. One I get access to my work station and notes back, because right now the area is being used to scan and print photos, Ill do a proper day end. For now, xontinue your day posts while im on this brief hiatus.
Flabooooooort...
Post by: flabort on March 21, 2016, 11:03:20 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 22, 2016, 04:38:45 am
Post by: flabort on March 22, 2016, 02:18:22 pm
Votecount
Tawarochir: TolyK, TheDarkStar, Notquitethere, Shakerag, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Teneb
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
NotQuiteThere:
Oragamiscienceguy:
THE GRIFFIN:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Hector13, Tawarochir, THE GRIFFIN, THE SARGENT
Day ends in roughly 2 hours
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 22, 2016, 02:34:40 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 22, 2016, 03:07:56 pm
AHAHAHAHA.
Anyways, I'm assuming everyone is with the plan, correct? Theoretically, this game is already over, unless silly stuff happens. Also, please don't give me any more infractions or annoying roles. >.>
That would just make the game last longer and be annoying. :P
Post by: flabort on March 22, 2016, 04:08:45 pm
Tawarochir: 6
To keep him from escaping, a complex setup was created in the hold of the vessel to eliminate Tawarochir; first he would be pushed into some drills that would discect him into tiny bits, then those bits would be put into a furnace which would then feed his ashes into twenty different jars. It turned out this was overkill, as he tripped when pushed towards the grinder drills and his head was instantly crushed.
Tawarochir has been lynched! He was town.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Day 5 has ended, night 5 begins
And unless something keeps me from doing so, I should be able to end it ~Thursday Afternoon.
Post by: flabort on March 24, 2016, 03:58:58 pm
Post by: flabort on March 24, 2016, 04:17:10 pm
The GRIFFIN has died! The were Town
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Deus Asmoth has come back to life! Again!
Night 5 Ends, Day 6 Begins!
Day should end around Monday Afternoon, with the chance to be extended for real life circumstances.
Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
NotQuiteThere:
Oragamiscienceguy:
Deus Asmoth:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TolyK, TheDarkStar, Notquitethere, Shakerag, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Teneb, Hector13, Deus Asmoth, Tawarochir,THE SARGENT
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Post by: TheDarkStar on March 24, 2016, 04:39:24 pm
Post by: flabort on March 24, 2016, 04:53:44 pm
"Ow", he replies.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 24, 2016, 04:59:57 pm
Something that I brought up while dead, but didn't see getting discussed: Tiruin had an ability that prevents daykills, so I'd like to know who day-killed her and me and how they managed it.
Also, I made a list about the cult leader last night that narrows down available suspects a reasonable amount.
Relevant players that cannot be cult (as of the start of last night):
- NQT, Tiruin and TMS (The latter two are still dead, and if NQT had been converted one of the other two would be alive now)
- Me (Due to being dead)
Players that cannot be cult leader, but can be cultist
- OSG (removed himself from the game with a power that someone else gave him on a night that resulted in the number of cult increasing)
- TolyK (couldn't act on the night of conversion due to infractions)
- hector (already roleflipped)
- GRIFFIN and SARGENT (joined the game too late)
Players that can be cult leader:
- Shakerag (requires multiple actions if it's a standard conversion)
- TDS (cultist could be anyone in this case)
- Teneb (cultist could again be anyone)
Players that can be cult leader assuming a non-standard conversion:
- Shakerag (if SARGENT is his 'convert')
- TDS, Teneb
- OSG
- TolyK (assuming he has multiple actions per phase or a day-convert)
So in order of likelihood I'd rank the possible cult leaders as
1. Teneb
2. Shakerag
3. OSG
4. TolyK
5. TDS
PPE: SON OF A BITCH WHY CAN'T I MURDER ANYONE?
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2016, 05:28:53 pm
As for the second thing, I can give you a role (and take one, though I will wait until you kryptonite that damn role so I don't accidentally grab that one), specifically one that keeps me from roleflipping on death. Then you can lynch me and I'll revive, assuming people are not up to killing someone else. If another is lynched, I can still prove my town-alignment tonight as long you hold on to that role.
How does that sound?
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2016, 05:31:11 pm
Only one person piped up to speak, nobody else even getting a chance, when somebody draws a gun and obliterates Teneb's skull with the butt.I overlooked this, so... nice daykill attempt on the guy that claimed immortality, whomever did it.
"Ow", he replies.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 24, 2016, 05:36:03 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2016, 05:38:09 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 24, 2016, 05:39:33 pm
(Auto) You cannot win while...
Wasn't Shakerag the one that can turn roles into NPC's though?
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2016, 05:40:32 pm
Yes, I still have the role. It is called:I suppose. Kinda hard to make it happen, though.
(Auto) You cannot win while...
Wasn't Shakerag the one that can turn roles into NPC's though?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 24, 2016, 05:46:51 pm
I'm beginning to become increasingly suspicious that there never really was a cult.
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2016, 05:50:03 pm
Well, let's wait and see if TolyK can actually do something about this bullshit.
Post by: Teneb on March 24, 2016, 09:13:37 pm
Anyway, you know what? I know I am town, I know DA is town, and, unless he got converted this night, OSG is town too. That leaves TDS, NQT, TolyK, Shakerag and the NPC. NQT is confirmed scum and pointless to lynch. TDS cannot by lynched. I'd rather not bother with the NPC. That leaves TolyK and Shakerag with at least 50% (if not 100%) of being non-town. And anti-town factions cannot win due to the Role and because I can't lose. So... TolyK.
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2016, 10:29:33 pm
I also got a role and lost a role. It was the suicide role. xD
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 24, 2016, 10:45:07 pm
For the record, counting last night I got: redirected to the damn tumbleweed (tried to protect OSG, so I wouldn't have to fish the role from his dead self), daykilled, and now dayblocked. Not that the last one matters, since I already used my day action.
Anyway, you know what? I know I am town, I know DA is town, and, unless he got converted this night, OSG is town too. That leaves TDS, NQT, TolyK, Shakerag and the NPC. NQT is confirmed scum and pointless to lynch. TDS cannot by lynched. I'd rather not bother with the NPC. That leaves TolyK and Shakerag with at least 50% (if not 100%) of being non-town. And anti-town factions cannot win due to the Role and because I can't lose. So... TolyK.
Currently, you, Shakerag, and TolyK are the remaining cult leader candidates. Everyone else is dead or otherwise confirmed (except me, but I would have won last night if I was the cult leader - I'll explain later). However, Shakerag has been busy protecting NPCs and TolyK has been setting up a plan to end the game, so Teneb.
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2016, 11:04:49 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 24, 2016, 11:59:38 pm
You're right. Who the hell had the role removal ability?I burn roles to power some of my abilities. So if you give me a role (somehow) I can eat it and turn it into more opportunities to kill a lot of you.
I can now take out 4 other players if I die. Whee! :D
Also, whoever tried to redirect me last night: it failed.
I guess if we managed to remove a person holding that damn role from the game for a cycle and win that very cycle it could work. Unlikely.I have a NK that removes a player from the game for two cycles, then they're brought back dead if the game hasn't ended. That would technically work.
Well, let's wait and see if TolyK can actually do something about this bullshit.
TDS:
However, Shakerag has been busy protecting NPCs and TolyK has been setting up a plan to end the game, so Teneb.How am I protecting NPCs? At night, I've mostly been busy abusing my powers for the sake of amusement, and trying to turn myself into a gigantic bomb. I wouldn't recommend lynching/killing me, but if you do it's going to be hilarious.
And why have I been doing that you're going to ask? Because I tried to be all "responsible townie" for the first two nights and I kept getting redirected to that damn tumbleweed when I tried to watch/track anyone. Then I said screw it and embraced the crazy-ass nature of the game.
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 25, 2016, 06:06:18 am
TDS:However, Shakerag has been busy protecting NPCs and TolyK has been setting up a plan to end the game, so Teneb.How am I protecting NPCs? At night, I've mostly been busy abusing my powers for the sake of amusement, and trying to turn myself into a gigantic bomb. I wouldn't recommend lynching/killing me, but if you do it's going to be hilarious.
And why have I been doing that you're going to ask? Because I tried to be all "responsible townie" for the first two nights and I kept getting redirected to that damn tumbleweed when I tried to watch/track anyone. Then I said screw it and embraced the crazy-ass nature of the game.
Oops, I meant creating NPCs. And no, I'm probably not going to vote for you unless Teneb flips town.
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 06:10:59 am
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2016, 08:06:35 am
And no, I'm probably not going to vote for you unless Teneb flips town.I will totally flip town if TolyK doesn't return that role. Mind you, if he does return it, it pretty much confirms him as anti-town for me.
though nobody would have to vote anyone if I hadn't screwed up last night. :'(Explain.
Post by: TolyK on March 25, 2016, 08:13:42 am
Alright, I'm fine with keeping the role, if you want. I confirm that I got the flip obstruction role. Also, if the consensus ends up in lynching you, then you probably should commit suicide so we could lynch someone else as well, potentially. ;)And no, I'm probably not going to vote for you unless Teneb flips town.I will totally flip town if TolyK doesn't return that role. Mind you, if he does return it, it pretty much confirms him as anti-town for me.though nobody would have to vote anyone if I hadn't screwed up last night. :'(Explain.
Explanation: If I hadn't messed up time zones we would already be executing the everyone-wins plan.
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2016, 08:25:09 am
I would suicide, but I can't. Can only use one day action per day. And even if I could, someone day-blocked me (preventing any further actions 'til nightfall).Alright, I'm fine with keeping the role, if you want. I confirm that I got the flip obstruction role. Also, if the consensus ends up in lynching you, then you probably should commit suicide so we could lynch someone else as well, potentially. ;)And no, I'm probably not going to vote for you unless Teneb flips town.I will totally flip town if TolyK doesn't return that role. Mind you, if he does return it, it pretty much confirms him as anti-town for me.though nobody would have to vote anyone if I hadn't screwed up last night. :'(Explain.
Explanation: If I hadn't messed up time zones we would already be executing the everyone-wins plan.
Post by: Shakerag on March 25, 2016, 09:17:08 am
What will happen if you die then Shakerag? Killing a whole bunch of people seems to me to be exactly what we need in this game. All the role complexity and interactions makes it impossible for anyone to coherently act or pursue their wincondition. Less players = less roles = less headache.Aw, you just want me to kill a bunch of townies, you big dumbface. Although I suppose that still wouldn't let you win due to that one problematic role swimming around.
You want to know what happens? If I die, I get to kill four players of my choosing. If I die via lynch, I also steal two of their roles at random.
And unless I find something otherwise amusing to do (like set off another nuke), that number increases by two players per night.
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 11:13:11 am
Teneb, are you lynch immune?
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2016, 11:24:02 am
OK Shakerag, you keep turning yourself into a bomb. We should lynch you in another day or two to maximise damage.No. But scroll up to the daykill and you'll see what'll happen. Hopefully, there will be a flip too this time.
Teneb, are you lynch immune?
Post by: flabort on March 25, 2016, 01:51:08 pm
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb: Deus Asmoth, TheDarkStar, TolyK, Notquitethere,
TolyK (II): Teneb,
NotQuiteThere:
Oragamiscienceguy:
Deus Asmoth:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Shakerag, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Hector13, Tawarochir,THE SARGENT
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~50 hours remain
Post by: flabort on March 25, 2016, 01:54:53 pm
Quote from: SARGENT
Teneb Shorten
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 01:57:39 pm
You shouldn't. Don't worry your pretty little head about it: I'll nightkill you later.Quote from: SARGENTTHIS IS BULLSHIT, SOLDIERS. Why are we letting a mafioso run around unchecked? Why are they collaborating with shakerag?
NotQuiteThere! Why should I shoot you where you stand?
Trying Teneb is probably a waste of time. I want to lynch TheTumblingTumbleweed as I'm sure he keeps redirecting folk.
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 02:03:34 pm
DA, who are you going to daykill tomorrow?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 02:05:00 pm
We alredy tried that. It ressurected.You shouldn't. Don't worry your pretty little head about it: I'll nightkill you later.Quote from: SARGENTTHIS IS BULLSHIT, SOLDIERS. Why are we letting a mafioso run around unchecked? Why are they collaborating with shakerag?
NotQuiteThere! Why should I shoot you where you stand?
Trying Teneb is probably a waste of time. I want to lynch TheTumblingTumbleweed as I'm sure he keeps redirecting folk.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 25, 2016, 02:08:22 pm
I don't think that detonating Shakerag is the best idea though; giving him a bunch of problematic roles so we can deal with each one individually seems more useful.
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 02:14:38 pm
We alredy tried that. It ressurected.Huh. OK OSG as you're the one redirecting to the Tumbleweed, right?
Post by: TolyK on March 25, 2016, 02:19:34 pm
Did we try lynching Sarge? We wanted to, but ended up squabbling with Shakerag, right?
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 02:20:19 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 02:23:06 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 25, 2016, 02:43:50 pm
I'm actually for a Shorten. Try 2. :P
Post by: Shakerag on March 25, 2016, 03:19:28 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2016, 03:32:15 pm
Shorten (is this even valid?)
Post by: flabort on March 25, 2016, 04:08:31 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 04:09:46 pm
Post by: Shakerag on March 25, 2016, 04:24:50 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 04:28:11 pm
Post by: flabort on March 25, 2016, 04:31:17 pm
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb: Deus Asmoth, TheDarkStar
TolyK (II):
NotQuiteThere: THE SARGENT
Oragamiscienceguy:
Deus Asmoth:
THE SARGENT: Notquitethere, Oragamiscienceguy, TolyK, Teneb, Shakerag
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Oragamiscienceguy, Oragamiscienceguy, Hector13, Tawarochir
0/2 extensions used, 0/3 votes to shorten
5/7 votes to shorten: TolyK, Teneb, OSG, Shakerag, NQT
~50 hours remain
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 04:36:50 pm
just for poops and giggles.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 25, 2016, 04:42:02 pm
And OSG how do you figure he has a 50% chance of being the leader?
Post by: TolyK on March 25, 2016, 04:45:57 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 04:50:40 pm
Shakerag turns roles into NPC's and they are randomely assigned to a non-scum team. That means just town and cult I think, since outsider really isn't a "team"
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 25, 2016, 06:00:41 pm
Post by: flabort on March 25, 2016, 06:19:40 pm
Oragamiscienceguy has been daykilled! He was Cult!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Deus Asmoth has had his ability reflected back on him, being daykilled! he was Still Town!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Votecount
Tawarochir:
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb: TheDarkStar
TolyK (II):
NotQuiteThere: THE SARGENT
THE SARGENT: Notquitethere, TolyK, Teneb, Shakerag
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: Hector13, Tawarochir
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4/6 votes to shorten: TolyK, Teneb, Shakerag, NQT
~46 hours remain
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 25, 2016, 06:21:31 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 25, 2016, 06:26:44 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 06:27:56 pm
Oppose Shorten for now.Why?
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 06:34:14 pm
Post by: flabort on March 25, 2016, 06:39:52 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 25, 2016, 06:42:12 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on March 25, 2016, 08:05:40 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 25, 2016, 08:30:57 pm
... it has just occurred to me a way we could all win but before I talk about it: TolyK, could you explain, in a non-vague-manner, what you meant when you said you could've done something that made everyone win last night?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 10:48:19 pm
I guess I"ll waste next day trying to fish the role out of OSG's corpse so I can then give it to Shakerag on the next day.
Wait, what?
Post by: origamiscienceguy on March 25, 2016, 10:59:49 pm
Curse you DA.
Post by: TheBiggerFish on March 25, 2016, 11:01:08 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 25, 2016, 11:22:33 pm
What was your idea?
Post by: flabort on March 27, 2016, 07:55:55 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 27, 2016, 09:13:15 pm
What was your idea?My idea was that technically, everyone alive could win if they were all converted to cult. Then I thought that this was your idea and you were cult. Still could be cult.
Post by: hector13 on March 27, 2016, 09:33:57 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 27, 2016, 10:29:06 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 27, 2016, 11:07:46 pm
... You do realize that I guess the cult leader is probably you, right? :p DA is pretty sure you're the leader, and I think so too. But currently I don't care - I'll start caring if something bad happens.What was your idea?My idea was that technically, everyone alive could win if they were all converted to cult. Then I thought that this was your idea and you were cult. Still could be cult.
Can anyone do anything about my Shakerag role? :PProbably. Also, sorry about the annoying roles, but they were annoying me, so... :p
Post by: Teneb on March 28, 2016, 07:34:34 am
I am not the cult leader, but it's cute that you think so.... You do realize that I guess the cult leader is probably you, right? :p DA is pretty sure you're the leader, and I think so too. But currently I don't care - I'll start caring if something bad happens.What was your idea?My idea was that technically, everyone alive could win if they were all converted to cult. Then I thought that this was your idea and you were cult. Still could be cult.
Post by: TolyK on March 28, 2016, 08:50:20 am
But the fact of the matter is that I'm not even voting for you, since AFAIK you're not against an everyone-wins plan and aren't planning/don't have the capability to prevent/delay it (by much).
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2016, 09:26:20 am
Post by: Teneb on March 28, 2016, 11:22:07 am
See, those kinds of sentences (punitive/stingy, specifically: "that's cute") are fairly indicative of having struck the right spot. :PSo, to get this straight: you are voting me because confirmed townie DA said so, despite neither him nor you providing any actual case on why I am the much dreaded cult leader. Ok. Great to know.
But the fact of the matter is that I'm not even voting for you, since AFAIK you're not against an everyone-wins plan and aren't planning/don't have the capability to prevent/delay it (by much).
Post by: hector13 on March 28, 2016, 11:32:18 am
Post by: TolyK on March 28, 2016, 01:08:03 pm
...See, those kinds of sentences (punitive/stingy, specifically: "that's cute") are fairly indicative of having struck the right spot. :PSo, to get this straight: you are voting me because confirmed townie DA said so, despite neither him nor you providing any actual case on why I am the much dreaded cult leader. Ok. Great to know.
But the fact of the matter is that I'm not even voting for you, since AFAIK you're not against an everyone-wins plan and aren't planning/don't have the capability to prevent/delay it (by much).
I'm not voting you. NOT.
His logic logic is: OSG was cultist, so Shakerag can't be cult leader, so it's you.
Now, not 100% true, but AFAIR:See, those kinds of sentences (punitive/stingy, specifically: "that's cute") are fairly indicative of having struck the right spot. :PIn what way?
"It's cute that your little mind thinks that way" is an exaggerated version of "eh, that's cute". Both show a disdain for the other person, that the other is annoying them, that they think of them as the enemy. Granted, he could indeed think I'm the cult leader, but he'd be much less sure I was "the enemy" if he were town.
Can I get a full schedule of how this plan meant to work?Basically, most of everyone's roles gets transferred to someone, and then the alignment-changing role is passed around. Voila, everyone is town. And as a bonus, dead people who aren't town get resurrected and get to become town, too.
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2016, 01:15:12 pm
Basically, most of everyone's roles gets transferred to someone, and then the alignment-changing role is passed around. Voila, everyone is town. And as a bonus, dead people who aren't town get resurrected and get to become town, too.So you're going to actually get this underway tonight?
Post by: TolyK on March 28, 2016, 01:45:19 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 28, 2016, 02:05:23 pm
Post by: Teneb on March 28, 2016, 03:00:43 pm
Didn't DA accuse me before OSG bit it?...See, those kinds of sentences (punitive/stingy, specifically: "that's cute") are fairly indicative of having struck the right spot. :PSo, to get this straight: you are voting me because confirmed townie DA said so, despite neither him nor you providing any actual case on why I am the much dreaded cult leader. Ok. Great to know.
But the fact of the matter is that I'm not even voting for you, since AFAIK you're not against an everyone-wins plan and aren't planning/don't have the capability to prevent/delay it (by much).
I'm not voting you. NOT.
His logic logic is: OSG was cultist, so Shakerag can't be cult leader, so it's you.
Also, why aren't you voting me, if you are so sure?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 28, 2016, 09:08:33 pm
Why are we lynching an NPC and not Teneb, our top cult suspect?
Post by: hector13 on March 28, 2016, 09:14:29 pm
oppose shorten
Why are we lynching an NPC and not Teneb, our top cult suspect?
Why is Teneb the top cult suspect?
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 28, 2016, 09:25:11 pm
oppose shorten
Why are we lynching an NPC and not Teneb, our top cult suspect?
Why is Teneb the top cult suspect?
Process of elimination.
NQT is mafia, Deus is dead and flipped town again and so neither of them can be cult leader.
OSG was removed from the game on at least one night when there was a conversion, TolyK had infractions on a night when there was a conversion, you (hector) have flipped already. You three can be cultists but not cult leaders.
This leaves me, Shakerag, and Teneb. If I was cult leader, this game would have ended after last night. Shakerag created the NPCs the night when there was a conversion and so he is less likely to be the cult leader.
(all comments about the cult count increasing are based on 4maskwolf's(?) role that let him see the counts of each alignment)
(Deus Asmoth originally came up with this list)
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 28, 2016, 09:42:38 pm
Shorten.
Post by: hector13 on March 28, 2016, 09:47:17 pm
Post by: TolyK on March 29, 2016, 02:57:13 am
Already did.Yes. It would've happened last night, however I hadn't sent an action in by the deadline (as I said). -.-That excuse won't work twice kid. Send in a PM in advance if you need to.
But since day ended, that's all for now. :P
Post by: flabort on March 29, 2016, 02:33:17 pm
'ccording to some of the vote counts flabsy posted, day should've ended around 30 hours ago heh.Miscalculations and stuff!
I meant for it to end in 1.5 hours from now.
Post by: flabort on March 29, 2016, 02:56:27 pm
Votecount
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb: TheDarkStar, THE SARGENT, Shakerag, Hector13, Notquitethere, TolyK
TolyK (II): Teneb
NotQuiteThere:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting:
Shorten votes: 6/6?!
Final Votecount
Teneb: 6
TolyK: 1
Day 6 Ends
Everyone was fairly certain the Sargent was going down. They had a rope around his neck, a piranha tank underneath him, and he was wrapped in chains to keep him from escaping. Suddenly, though, he flashed with light and was escaped, and in his place was Teneb! And it was too late to rescue him, the rope had already been lowered into the tank! But with some finagling, Teneb escaped the chains, and while the piranha's did bite him a little, they took care of the rope, and he swam up and out to safety.
Teneb was lynched, but did not die!
Night 6 Begins!
Should end Thurdsay, unless I forget or something bizarre happens IRL.
Post by: flabort on March 31, 2016, 04:49:48 pm
Post by: flabort on March 31, 2016, 05:10:50 pm
Checking their numbers, it seemed that nobody died during the night; though night is hard to measure in the timeless void of a wormhole that you're stuck in. This is a good thing for most. But... it also seems that almost everyone had something or other happen to them, and most everyone is grumpy when they get together.
Day 7 begins
TheMoonlitShadow returns to the game, but is still dead.
Votecount
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
NotQuiteThere:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not Voting: TheDarkStar, THE SARGENT, Shakerag, Hector13, Notquitethere, TolyK, Teneb
Day ends Monday Afternoon. Somebody remind me then.
Post by: Teneb on March 31, 2016, 05:13:51 pm
Post by: notquitethere on March 31, 2016, 05:18:28 pm
Post by: hector13 on March 31, 2016, 05:19:21 pm
Fuck! I don't have any other roles either!
Post by: Shakerag on March 31, 2016, 05:38:36 pm
Shakerag just explode already.Can't. No roles to explode with.
Post by: notquitethere on March 31, 2016, 05:59:55 pm
Teneb, are you currently roleless then?
Post by: Teneb on March 31, 2016, 06:04:23 pm
Sweet, that's at least two of you without roles.I guess the "pissed off" couldn't be detected in my last post. Yeah, I got no role.
Teneb, are you currently roleless then?
I am also sad that I could not become Confirmed Towntm because it seems my rez (now gone, RIP) happens before the flip.
Post by: TolyK on March 31, 2016, 06:25:25 pm
Post by: flabort on March 31, 2016, 07:04:54 pm
Tawarochir just reminded me that he was lynched Day 5, so I have removed the infraction I gave him for lurking day 6 and removed him from today's votecount. Please remind me of any other errors I may make.
Post by: hector13 on March 31, 2016, 07:10:22 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on March 31, 2016, 08:13:54 pm
Alright, now that that's been settled we're going to do a bit of juggling to get my alignment-changing role to each of you non-townies. TDS is probably blocked though, due to the annoying roles? I haven't checked up on that. Either way, any other concerns currently?
I did not receive the roles and I have no idea where they went. Could whoever got them please claim?
Post by: Tawa on March 31, 2016, 08:40:22 pm
Bah.
Also if I get revived for some reason replacement por favor.
Post by: Shakerag on April 01, 2016, 08:50:38 am
no lynch
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 01, 2016, 04:58:51 pm
Also, I have almost everyone else's roles. And killing me would be 1. useless, because I'm kill-immune several times over, and 2. a very bad idea, since I have the bomb roles from Shakerag.
I should also draw attention to a suspicious role I got. It has a mark (essentially a douse) and a 50/50 mass-kill of everyone who is marked. It appears that we have a hidden serial killer/arsonist.
Last, I ended up with the roles where I win if Ragshake doesn't. Was he ever removed from the game?
Post by: TolyK on April 01, 2016, 11:10:10 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 01, 2016, 11:53:36 pm
Did anyone recently receive some roles? I'm missing all of mine.That 50/50 killing role was mine. I turned it into an NPC.
Also, I have almost everyone else's roles. And killing me would be 1. useless, because I'm kill-immune several times over, and 2. a very bad idea, since I have the bomb roles from Shakerag.
I should also draw attention to a suspicious role I got. It has a mark (essentially a douse) and a 50/50 mass-kill of everyone who is marked. It appears that we have a hidden serial killer/arsonist.
Last, I ended up with the roles where I win if Ragshake doesn't. Was he ever removed from the game?
Post by: TolyK on April 02, 2016, 01:29:38 am
Post by: flabort on April 02, 2016, 04:59:40 pm
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb: Notquitethere
TolyK (II): Teneb
NotQuiteThere:
THE SARGENT:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
No Lynch: Shakerag
Not Voting: TheDarkStar, THE SARGENT, Hector13, TolyK,
Day ends Monday Afternoon. ~48 hours from now.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 03, 2016, 04:16:24 pm
Also, who killed Tiruin?
Post by: notquitethere on April 04, 2016, 05:23:03 am
TolyK, if you don't act now, I'll be forced to break the tie by voting for you and I'd rather not do that.
Do we know who killed FoU? It's been a while since then (he was killed N2) but I can check if we don't know who did it.I'm not sure on either count.
Also, who killed Tiruin?
Post by: TolyK on April 04, 2016, 08:40:23 am
I have queued up actions for this night as well, by the way. There's some silly flabort-business going on, but I'm pretty sure they will get fixed?
Post by: Shakerag on April 04, 2016, 09:00:17 am
Post by: hector13 on April 04, 2016, 10:03:20 am
Post by: Teneb on April 04, 2016, 10:33:18 am
I strongly recommend that we get out act together and actually lynch someone. I suggest Teneb-who-might-be-a-cultist as this is the rare moment in which we can strike at them.I am not a damn cultist and I am surprised no one else is even slightly worried TolyK might not be town.
Post by: Shakerag on April 04, 2016, 02:11:44 pm
We're on D7 and dealing with some wincon-blocking-resurrection bullshit. I think a lot of us are running out of fucks to give at this point.I strongly recommend that we get out act together and actually lynch someone. I suggest Teneb-who-might-be-a-cultist as this is the rare moment in which we can strike at them.I am not a damn cultist and I am surprised no one else is even slightly worried TolyK might not be town.
Post by: flabort on April 04, 2016, 03:42:42 pm
TheDarkStar:
Hector13 (I):
Shakerag:
Teneb: Notquitethere
TolyK (II): Teneb
NotQuiteThere:
THE SARGENT: TolyK, Shakerag, Hector13
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
No Lynch:
Not Voting: TheDarkStar, THE SARGENT
Day ends Monday Afternoon, in less than an hour
Quote from: THE SARGENT
eep.
TolyK
Post by: flabort on April 04, 2016, 04:06:52 pm
TolyK: 2
THE SARGENT: 3
"We're tired of you ordering us around. Not that you had any power".
The crowd aproached the drill sergeant, who was fumbling with a weapon.
"But I was just... Noooo!"
The gun was struck from his hands, and he was pushed over the edge of the deck. He fell down, and didn't use any godly powers; he got caught by the edge of the time vortex, and was immediately torn to shreds by !!PHYSICS!!; everyone was grateful he was dead.
THE SARGENT was lynched. He was a Cultist.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Day 7 has ended, Night 7 Begins
Night will end Wednesday.
Post by: flabort on April 06, 2016, 08:13:37 pm
Processing actions.
Post by: flabort on April 06, 2016, 09:03:23 pm
Hector13 has died. He was a Cultist. Oragamiscienceguy has come back to life!
Spoiler: roleflip (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: roleflip (click to show/hide)
Night 7 ends, Day 8 begins
Votecount
TheDarkStar:
Oragamiscienceguy:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Tiruin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
Not voting: TolyK, Shakerag, Teneb, TheDarkStar, OSG, OSG, OSG, Tiruin
Day ends Sunday. Probably actually on Monday, though.
Post by: Teneb on April 06, 2016, 09:42:50 pm
Whomever has all the roles, turn the one keeping the game from ending into an NPC, please.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 06, 2016, 10:27:05 pm
I can copy roles and give them to people if I want. I also have the Ragshake role that FoU had that makes people's wincon dependent on Ragshake no longer being in the game. Finally, I can remove people from the game for two days. As a result, here is my plan:
Night 8: Remove Ragshake from the game
Night 9: Give all scum the wincon-changing role and get rid of the anti-winning roles that I have
???
Day 10: Everyone wins (except Ragshake and the other NPCs)
Just to check: hector13 and OSG are the two cultists while NQT and Tiruin are mafia, correct?
Post by: Teneb on April 06, 2016, 10:30:14 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 06, 2016, 10:36:56 pm
And upon reading through the thread, you are correct - TMS was also mafia.
Post by: TolyK on April 06, 2016, 11:02:30 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 06, 2016, 11:57:16 pm
I can copy roles and give them to people if I want.Those were mine originally. Pretty sick, huh?
Finally, I can remove people from the game for two days.
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2016, 01:54:51 am
NotQuiteThere has died. He was a Mafia. Tiruin has come back to life!I LIVE?! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7nzml-zZ9M)Spoiler: roleflip (click to show/hide)
Nobody told me about that today! D:<
/me rawrs at all of yoooou.
I'm going to shotgun TolyK because I'm silly and lacking time to type a proper response. Hello thread. How're y'all doing?
Also I keep trying to remember that 4maskwolf isn't dead but is totally dead. We didn't kill him by the way. :v How silly of me.
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2016, 03:05:26 am
Girlfriend, what are you talkin' about?
Also I keep trying to remember that 4maskwolf isn't dead but is totally dead.
Post by: TolyK on April 07, 2016, 07:42:22 am
You won't kill me either way, but it'll be annoying.
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2016, 09:39:07 am
Uhh, my shenanigans in writing in the mafiachat .-.Girlfriend, what are you talkin' about?
Also I keep trying to remember that 4maskwolf isn't dead but is totally dead.
It's the aftereffects of academic strain. I live in the past and be forgetful in the present.
Also...um, how do you do this "slang" thing...Yo pops, huntin' some scum, yo.
Yeah...
x_x
Tiruin, if you don't have time to read stuff, could you refrain from doing silly stuff? :p
You won't kill me either way, but it'll be annoying.
Just to check: hector13 and OSG are the two cultists while NQT and Tiruin are mafia, correct?Yep!
And I have received no word about any editing of my roles so I can nuke someone right now. :D
AND announce it out loud!
Why didn't my nuke work on you before, TOlyK :I
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2016, 11:07:19 am
It's the aftereffects of academic strain. I live in the past and be forgetful in the present.Ahh. Well, I can sympathize. Although I'm more forgetful in the past and present.
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Also...um, how do you do this "slang" thing...Yo pops, huntin' some scum, yo.I think that's the first time I've been called "pops". I'm not quite sure how to feel about that.
So, uhh... tumbleweed because screw these NPCs?
Post by: Teneb on April 07, 2016, 11:55:31 am
Post by: Tiruin on April 07, 2016, 12:24:14 pm
Isn't tumbleweed kill-immune?I don't think so? I tried searching up my list of kills ~D4ish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155426.msg6821935;topicseen#msg6821935) but I discovered that the Tumbleweed hasn't flipped yet.
...I think. Searchword: Tumbleweed doesn't give any results.
Post by: TolyK on April 07, 2016, 12:55:25 pm
Is Griffin dead yet?
pfp
Post by: Shakerag on April 07, 2016, 03:11:30 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 07, 2016, 04:16:11 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 07, 2016, 06:09:41 pm
Tiruin, if you don't have time to read stuff, could you refrain from doing silly stuff? :p
You won't kill me either way, but it'll be annoying.Just to check: hector13 and OSG are the two cultists while NQT and Tiruin are mafia, correct?Yep!
And I have received no word about any editing of my roles so I can nuke someone right now. :D
AND announce it out loud!
Why didn't my nuke work on you before, TOlyK :I
I recommend not nuking me. Mostly because I'm kill and dayaction immune. What does your nuke do, though - does it remove targets from the game for a while after killing them?
Post by: Teneb on April 10, 2016, 10:53:58 am
Post by: TolyK on April 10, 2016, 12:11:58 pm
Shorten.
No lynch.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 10, 2016, 01:00:22 pm
No Lynch
Post by: Teneb on April 10, 2016, 01:10:41 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 10, 2016, 01:43:40 pm
No Lynch No Lynch No Lynch :P
Post by: flabort on April 10, 2016, 04:01:58 pm
Votecount
TheDarkStar:
Oragamiscienceguy:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Tiruin: Tiruin
A Tumbling Tumbleweed: Shakerag,
No Lynch: OSG, OSG, OSG, TolyK, Teneb, TheDarkStar
Not voting:
Shorten votes: 4/5... but I did say the day would end around now with the possibility of ending tomorrow instead.
Nobody is lynched, Day 8 ends and Night 8 begins
Ends Tuesday
Post by: flabort on April 12, 2016, 03:58:05 pm
Post by: flabort on April 12, 2016, 04:57:00 pm
Ragshake has been removed from the game until Day 11
Night 8 ends, Day 9 Begins
Votecount
TheDarkStar:
Oragamiscienceguy:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Tiruin:
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
No Lynch:
Not voting: Shakerag, OSG, OSG, OSG, TolyK, Teneb, TheDarkStar, Tiruin
Day ends Friday
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2016, 05:44:34 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2016, 06:28:12 pm
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 12, 2016, 06:41:00 pm
Post by: Teneb on April 12, 2016, 06:46:11 pm
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2016, 06:50:10 pm
I am role-impaired.
Explain?
Post by: Teneb on April 12, 2016, 07:05:49 pm
Its a clever way of saying I got no roles.I am role-impaired.Explain?
Post by: flabort on April 12, 2016, 07:40:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 12, 2016, 07:57:39 pm
FoU: Your anti-win auto should be disabled for long enough that you can win.
Post by: Teneb on April 12, 2016, 08:15:25 pm
Post by: Shakerag on April 12, 2016, 09:23:05 pm
I am role-impaired.
Post by: Shakerag on April 12, 2016, 09:23:46 pm
So by breaking the rules FoU enabled his own possible victory. Maybe.If this is legitimately what happens, this will be the goddamn funniest thing ever.
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2016, 07:14:36 am
Tiruin: TiruinI just had to use the [/me] tag... :V
...I want to nuke somebody already :v Can I hit the cult leader who isn't TolyK?So by breaking the rules FoU enabled his own possible victory. Maybe.If this is legitimately what happens, this will be the goddamn funniest thing ever.
Another explosion rocks the vessel, but on investigation nobody was hurt. The body of Ragshake is missing, though.Can I has infraction point+ by pointing out that you copied the vote list from Day 8? :P
Ragshake has been removed from the game until Day 11
Night 8 ends, Day 9 Begins
Votecount
TheDarkStar:
Oragamiscienceguy:
Shakerag:
Teneb:
TolyK (II):
Tiruin: Tiruin
A Tumbling Tumbleweed:
No Lynch:
Not voting: Shakerag, OSG, OSG, OSG, TolyK, Teneb, TheDarkStar
Day ends Friday
Calling you out in public, Flabort ^ ^
Post by: flabort on April 13, 2016, 11:00:26 am
Can I has infraction point+ by pointing out that you copied the vote list from Day 8? :PThanks for pointing it out.
Calling you out in public, Flabort ^ ^
Who do you want to give/take the point to/from?
Post by: TolyK on April 13, 2016, 11:33:40 am
Post by: TolyK on April 13, 2016, 11:35:12 am
Post by: Shakerag on April 13, 2016, 02:29:50 pm
Post by: TolyK on April 13, 2016, 02:39:46 pm
No lynch.
Shorten.
Post by: origamiscienceguy on April 13, 2016, 03:15:36 pm
Post by: flabort on April 13, 2016, 04:08:39 pm
...what?!
4/5 shorten votes, counting my own
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 13, 2016, 05:39:10 pm
Post by: Tiruin on April 13, 2016, 05:50:03 pm
Post by: flabort on April 13, 2016, 06:05:33 pm
No Lynch: 3
And so an agreement was reached. The collective time magics of the remaining chosen ones would be pool together, and the vessel would be unfrozen from it's position. As the ship slowly shuddered into motion once more, the final rest hours began.
Day 9 Ends, Night 9 Begins
Scheduled ending of phase is Friday
Post by: flabort on April 15, 2016, 04:15:38 pm
You receive a copy of this role:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
There are no mafia remaining. There are no Cultists remaining. There are no Town remaining. Game ends. Ragshake is not in the game, victory assigned to Anti-Ragshake.
The end had arrived. Everyone gathered around TheDarkStar while he focused his powers. Everyone felt their minds relaxing, thoughts of hatred towards each other or conspiracy to once more slay the gods fading away in place of one thought. One person who, in the past they were going to, started this whole fiasco. The anti-thesis to their cause, the one who stowed away on their vessel and had been utterly decimated to the point where there was no chance he'd survived in their present, Ragshake. It was unknown how he'd started this entire debacle, killing gods and distributing their powers to Man, and even more so how he'd made his way onto their ship when they'd set off to kill him in the past, but it was agreed that it was he who had layed the seeds for a Mafia to form aboard the vessel, and the Mafia was disbanded. Still, there was one thing that seemed unresolved. Once they'd killed Ragshake in the past, what would happen to them? As if in answer to the question, TheDarkStar finished using his powers and the light went out of his eyes. His work was done, the vessel would arrive at the proper time in mere minutes, and he had wiped the seeds of evil from the minds of his fellows. He could rest... and he did. He wouldn't have woken up again if Tiruin, the Tumbleweed, Shakerag, and all the rest hadn't been there to feed some of their own power back into him.
TheDarkStar has been the target of the spectator kill! The kill failed!
Final Role compositions, links to the mafiachat, cult-chat, actions taken throughout the game, and original setup details in a moment. Congrats to everybody!
Post by: TolyK on April 15, 2016, 04:21:17 pm
Post by: flabort on April 15, 2016, 04:27:26 pm
(Dead players are as they flipped last, plus the role added in the above post)
Spoiler: TheDarkStar (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: The Tumbling Tumbleweed (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Shakerag (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Teneb (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: TolyK (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Tiruin (click to show/hide)
Mafia Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/SB4gnWWJ8wsrz)
Cult Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/APNfqJUzXXC)
Actions taken throughout the game and roughly how they were resolved (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uEzS57ubQy-f_9fzN1R28W2trn0TH5OJN3dsFmgUEHE/edit?usp=sharing)
Roles Submitted, and in the tabs at the bottom of the page, tabs showing how the set-up started (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u2hYfNZxCzbGBPH0EprKxQbd7qntnRDCnSUykjr9uZM/edit?usp=sharing)
Post by: hector13 on April 15, 2016, 04:28:10 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 15, 2016, 04:30:01 pm
Due to having those infractions, the "Attack of the Rags!" auto I had didn't function.
But of course, that would mean I would be town. And seeing as there's no mafia left, I would have won anyway.
~~~
That's just a minor technical thing I believe is correct- but it didn't stop me(and everybody else) from winning.
~~~
wahoo. We win! We win! Awesome! GG.
~~~
Well...
everybody but Ragshake wins. Poor Ragshake.
~~~
Ah well. He was downright evil anyway.
~~~
Now then. GG, again.
~~~
TILDE ABUSE!
~~~
I'm looking forward to the Explanation...
got ninjad by flabort.
Post by: TolyK on April 15, 2016, 04:31:49 pm
TheDarkStar has been the target of the spectator kill! The kill failed!the spectators are dbags. :P
Either way, infinite loops and, generally, loopholes in targeting allowed this to happen. Amen.
Post by: flabort on April 15, 2016, 04:39:24 pm
Well...Yes, this is true, technically.
Due to having those infractions, the "Attack of the Rags!" auto I had didn't function.
But of course, that would mean I would be town. And seeing as there's no mafia left, I would have won anyway.
~~~
That's just a minor technical thing I believe is correct- but it didn't stop me(and everybody else) from winning.
Doesn't change anything worth changing, though.
Post by: Teneb on April 15, 2016, 04:43:19 pm
I think we can all agree all these anti-win roles are a terrible idea and this is why.
Post by: hector13 on April 15, 2016, 04:46:42 pm
This is over. It's finally over. I never thought I'd see the day.
I think we can all agree all these anti-win roles are a terrible idea and this is why.
It did sap my motivation for a bit, but it's a bastard game. It was fun while it lasted.
Post by: flabort on April 15, 2016, 04:51:40 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 15, 2016, 05:00:00 pm
Who got it?
Post by: Shakerag on April 15, 2016, 05:07:26 pm
1 - Proof that flabort hates me
2 - Jim Groovester Award For Unpredictable Bullshit
3 - Night Action Processing Hell
4 - a hodgepodge of completely senseless day actions (credit to Urist Imiknorris)
5 - Mandatory Shakeragian Shenanigans
6 - Entirely Misplaced Martyrdom
7 - A Healthy Self-Annihilation Complex
8 - Excessive and Idiotic Trigger Warnings
Post by: Shakerag on April 15, 2016, 05:14:29 pm
Post by: Deus Asmoth on April 15, 2016, 05:20:10 pm
Post by: TolyK on April 15, 2016, 05:21:27 pm
And submitted roles.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on April 15, 2016, 05:23:22 pm
Oh, and Tiruin, hmm. I guess I just wanted to know how intimidating/brick wallish I'm acting. I know I have a tendency to be blunt and irritable, but if it's going too far I'd like to try reign it in before it becomes an issue.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 15, 2016, 05:26:08 pm
1. The Only FHPBYOR2 Role That Has A Daykill
2. The FHPBYOR2 Role That Can't Ever Be Killed In Any Way For The Duration Of FHPBYOR2
3. The FHPBYOR2 Role That Puts People Up For Replacement Instead Of Killing Them
4. The FHPBYOR2 Role That Wins Upon Death
5. The FHPBYOR2 Role That Prevents All Investigative Abilities From Functioning While A Living Player Has This Role
6. The FHPBYOR2 Role Witch Prevents Anyone From Winning While A Living Player Has This Role
7. The FHPBYOR2 Role That Allows Spectators To Participate In FHPBYOR2 Through A Nightkill
8. The FHPBYOR2 Role That Gives All Other Players Powers That The Possessor Of This Role Is Targeted With For The Duration Of FHPBYOR2
PPE: What did your roles do, DA?
Post by: Deus Asmoth on April 15, 2016, 05:29:33 pm
I also blame OSG for killing me right as I was finally able to start murdering people properly.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 15, 2016, 05:35:00 pm
I'm not going that far back to drudge that up...
~~~
Now then.
Somebody should put together a large post full of funny quotes from the game(and the quick topics, there were a few gems there).
~~~
There are no Town remaining.Except for me! Except for me, I say!
~~~
Again: GG, and thank you flabort for running this wonderful game.
Now then. If you'll excuse me, I have a thing to do in the Notable Games Archive...
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 15, 2016, 06:00:53 pm
Edit: Wait, didn't the GRIFFIN lose because it had a bunch of antiwin roles?
Post by: Jack A T on April 15, 2016, 07:36:07 pm
Somebody should put together a large post full of funny quotes from the game(and the quick topics, there were a few gems there).I'm seriously considering sigging this one:
Also...um, how do you do this "slang" thing...Yo pops, huntin' some scum, yo.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 15, 2016, 08:36:47 pm
Post by: hector13 on April 15, 2016, 08:42:02 pm
I find it ironic that submitting a role that allowed the spectators to target a kill lead to multiple kill attempts on me.
DAT'S WAT CHOO GIT, BWOI or words to that effect.
Post by: TolyK on April 16, 2016, 12:45:41 am
- Winning World Team Alliance (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/Avn9URXxQcmrH) (it turns out that my "Orden Group" ended up being preeettty useful)
- Mafia Negotiation Chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/ATBcxsfaVXNW) (I was indeed contemplating joining the mafia, until they kinda died off... :P)
Personal topics (notable ones are Tirin, Shakerag, Teneb, TMS, 4mask):
TDS (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/pQEZWbSdnx44)
Hector (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/VmeeKypRrcy7d)
Teneb (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/BXVtQMAdrvssH)
Shakerag (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/daq4YnhBM4tck) (that one comment :D)
Origami (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8djK272um5Eu)
Tiruin (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/TTJGDPdZLkfte)
FoU (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/cLREQ6it23Af)
Tawor (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/3kN7XdiXaKSn) (who didn't show up)
4mask (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/tKQxpiKTcWK)
TMS (http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/5EL2WWwCJ66)
I sent in:
- "The 21 dumbest things ever posted on the internet."
- "Doctors hate him!"
- Donald Trump's political career
- A 418-foot giraffe
- Help I'm stuck in a driver's license factory
- Definitely Not TolyK
- I'm Not TolyK
- Wait we only get 8 roles?
What did the last one do, by the way?
Post by: flabort on April 16, 2016, 01:47:15 am
Roles Submitted, and in the tabs at the bottom of the page, tabs showing how the set-up started (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u2hYfNZxCzbGBPH0EprKxQbd7qntnRDCnSUykjr9uZM/edit?usp=sharing)You can check this link if you have questions.
Checking the third page, 4mask got the one you asked about.
So turning to 4masks page, it was a steal a role ability; OR give a brand spanking new role to the target.
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2016, 10:28:14 am
Hooray friendly cult dude! :D
Also, there seems to have been an incredible amount of confusion over what my roles did.Oh, you're a cute and cuddly teddy bear that I'd hug with just as much initiative as anyone else on this Mafia subforum :>
Oh, and Tiruin, hmm. I guess I just wanted to know how intimidating/brick wallish I'm acting. I know I have a tendency to be blunt and irritable, but if it's going too far I'd like to try reign it in before it becomes an issue.
I'm just poking your playstyle of being I: and :I at times. :P
This is over. It's finally over. I never thought I'd see the day.I'd say this is worse, overall. :V The role that requires a certain specific action to actually make the player vulnerable.
I think we can all agree all these anti-win roles are a terrible idea and this is why.
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The FHPBYOR2 Role That Can't Ever Be Killed In Any Way For The Duration Of FHPBYOR2Or maybe kill-stab funtime! :I
(Auto) As it says: Lynches and Kills fail when targeting you. Yeah, you just get this ability straight up, how weird is that?
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A 418-foot giraffeGrawrgghh. Those are OP roles! D:< I had a feeling that (in a conventional battle wherein the players are all minmax gamers with little heart towards others and more towards wincon) the Mafia would lose :P
(Night) Lookout [Target]: With your incredibly long neck, you can see anyone visiting your target. But... they are kind of blurry, being so far down, and you'd pass out if you got a closer look, so you only know how many visitors there are.
(Auto) 6 hearts: Being so bizarely tall, you had several extra hearts transplanted to keep blood pumping to your head. If you are attacked, instead of dying you pass out and cannot act in the following cycle, until your extra hearts can fix the damaged ones. If you are attacked again while passed out, you cannot act for a further cycle, and being attacked again before recovery will kill you. Being lynched counts the same as being killed for attacks!
(1-shot) Naturally Prey [target]: You can't really see predators coming, or even your own body very well. It makes you a very good target, and you can distract any attackers in the area of your visitor. Of course, once your body catches on to where your head is putting it, you won't be able to do this again, so make it count.
I just feel like a tiny brown mouse that my two biggest suspects were the most OP <_< >.> (Well...straight up with singular roles that is).
Y'all played very nice though :) This was fun \o/
Flabort, you played very well too! :D
Post by: hector13 on April 16, 2016, 10:40:14 am
OSG was the CL, so we were both having a wee chuckle in the cult qt regarding that. I was hoping that him dying followed by The SARGENT would result in folk suspecting the cult was gone, but I was cruelly murdered by someone that night...
Post by: Tiruin on April 16, 2016, 10:42:55 am
You can say it, but I don't think TDS was ever cult. At least not in my cult...I was being silly with the whole TDS being cult because he survived past N1. :P (I didn't really believe he was cult but I was being silly when I typed it...oops!)
OSG was the CL, so we were both having a wee chuckle in the cult qt regarding that[...]
I also forgot that I had a role stopping day from ending or night from doing anything. Seems Flabort (in a good way) forgot about it. :P
Because I forgot to act each night in the past 2 nights!
...Maybe that's why he took my [/me] silliness as voting myself? :D
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 16, 2016, 10:55:55 am
Post by: hector13 on April 16, 2016, 11:01:26 am
Roles Submitted, and in the tabs at the bottom of the page, tabs showing how the set-up started (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u2hYfNZxCzbGBPH0EprKxQbd7qntnRDCnSUykjr9uZM/edit?usp=sharing)You can check this link if you have questions.
Checking the third page, 4mask got the one you asked about.
So turning to 4masks page, it was a steal a role ability; OR give a brand spanking new role to the target.
There are tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet for each player.
Post by: TolyK on April 16, 2016, 11:02:36 am
To be fair, being unkillable is a pretty big problem, but there were role-stopping roles. With most of those gone, these were indeed a bit OP. :PQuoteA 418-foot giraffeGrawrgghh. Those are OP roles! D:< I had a feeling that (in a conventional battle wherein the players are all minmax gamers with little heart towards others and more towards wincon) the Mafia would lose :P
(Night) Lookout [Target]: With your incredibly long neck, you can see anyone visiting your target. But... they are kind of blurry, being so far down, and you'd pass out if you got a closer look, so you only know how many visitors there are.
(Auto) 6 hearts: Being so bizarely tall, you had several extra hearts transplanted to keep blood pumping to your head. If you are attacked, instead of dying you pass out and cannot act in the following cycle, until your extra hearts can fix the damaged ones. If you are attacked again while passed out, you cannot act for a further cycle, and being attacked again before recovery will kill you. Being lynched counts the same as being killed for attacks!
I just feel like a tiny brown mouse that my two biggest suspects were the most OP <_< >.> (Well...straight up with singular roles that is).
At least we were benevolent.
Post by: TheDarkStar on April 16, 2016, 01:43:13 pm
I should also explain the giant post filled with numbers in the Orden quickchat. I had a role that would give the target an additional night action the next night that could be self-targeted and one that would double the target's actions the current night that could not be self targeted. I gave myself extra actions for the first few nights and ended up with 8, but then TolyK mentioned that anything targeting him had a 50% chance of targeting me instead. So I give myself one extra action and attempted to double TolyK's actions 7 times. Each time, there was a 50% chance that all my actions would double and then I would be able to double things again. The list of numbers was flabort running a random number generator to see if there was a string in the first thousand (ten thousand) that would terminate or if I would end up with a functionally infinite amount of actions.
Post by: notquitethere on April 16, 2016, 03:09:43 pm
Still, good job everyone for winning!
Post by: TolyK on April 16, 2016, 03:24:47 pm
It occurred to me partway through the game that if I was scum I could have converted everyone (with a normal conversion, not the one OSG had) in the same night. That was basically how I convinced TolyK to trust me - if I as actually scum, there was nothing he could do about it.Well, I could just change who my 50% went to, and you'd have no more infinite actions, but since you were initally town and scum can't convert (as an educated guess; if cult - all hail our new overlord?) I felt reasonably secure about that.
I should also explain the giant post filled with numbers in the Orden quickchat. I had a role that would give the target an additional night action the next night that could be self-targeted and one that would double the target's actions the current night that could not be self targeted. I gave myself extra actions for the first few nights and ended up with 8, but then TolyK mentioned that anything targeting him had a 50% chance of targeting me instead. So I give myself one extra action and attempted to double TolyK's actions 7 times. Each time, there was a 50% chance that all my actions would double and then I would be able to double things again. The list of numbers was flabort running a random number generator to see if there was a string in the first thousand (ten thousand) that would terminate or if I would end up with a functionally infinite amount of actions.
The loophole was actually the more broken thing than really-hard-to-kill, since you could be removed from the game or infraction-killed fairly easily.
Post by: Deus Asmoth on April 16, 2016, 03:27:49 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on April 16, 2016, 03:44:19 pm
I think the infraction system was a little bit completely broken as well. It might have worked better if you didn't tell people how many infractions each thing was worth, or just awarded them at the mod's discretion depending on how much they were gaming the system (like posting while dead, or sending PMs whenever that revealed otherwise unknowable information would be worth at leave replacement level infractions) but then I guess that wouldn't be any different to the standard system.Heck, the only reason I won is because I abused the infractions system...
Post by: TolyK on April 16, 2016, 03:54:14 pm
Normal day at the Bay12 mafia forum.
Post by: Tiruin on April 17, 2016, 02:14:16 am
I think the infraction system was a little bit completely broken as well. It might have worked better if you didn't tell people how many infractions each thing was worth, or just awarded them at the mod's discretion depending on how much they were gaming the system (like posting while dead, or sending PMs whenever that revealed otherwise unknowable information would be worth at leave replacement level infractions) but then I guess that wouldn't be any different to the standard system.I was lenient :P I spotted some more errors Flabort did but didn't choose to call him out on it because of raisins. o_o
Breaking the rules in order to win? Yup.Oh pff. It's certain people. Not the whole forum :V
Normal day at the Bay12 mafia forum.
But yeah...that could do with a lot of tweaking, that infraction system ._.
Still, good game everyone. Thanks for the all-win, and as far as I know, this is the only game wherein everyone (as in everyone) actually won :P