BoI has squick and gore aplenty, but you can't lop of all of a town's limbs, drink the blood of your enemies, pinch off every feature on a person's face, sell somebody the body parts of their own wife, lace alcohol with dubious substances and give them to people, disembowel somebody and then rip out their Guts and then beat them to death with them, etc, etc. You may not be able to see it visually, but DF is the more violent, no contest.Yeah, you don't really see what you do with much detail, and you don't have to do it nearly as much as in Binding of Isaac where it's kind of the whole game, but there is far, far worse stuff in Dwarf Fortress.
I don't see what you guys are talking about with BoI, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong trailers and Let's Plays. What gore is that game supposed to have? Are you guys just trying to promote the game by bringing it up at all?The original not much, but Rebirth/Afterbirth has enemies explode and into organs and an gibblets. It's not much, but it's still gore. Even then, it's so cartoonish, you barely notice it.
Binding of Isaac? How is that gory in any way, really? Disturbing maybe, since a lot of the bosses and enemies are based on actual medical conditions, but I wouldn't call that gory.Im sure that if it was 3D with highdef graphics it would be banned in europe and at least 2 of the states.
DF requires you to use imagination more, but it has:
-syndromes that potentially cause all of your body parts to rot, blister and/or swell with blood before bursting, either that or just cause you to bleed from everywhere
-the ability to disembowel a person, bite their guts, then shake them around until you tear out the guts with your own teeth
-being able to partially bisect a person around the waist (sometimes when you kill someone with a slashing attack to the lower body it says that its "partially severed from the torso")
-being able to simply explode body parts by hitting them hard enough (I can understand how it works with hands or feet but how it would look like with an entire arm or leg I don't really know)
-gouging or otherwise cutting off all of a persons facial features, cutting off their limbs, disemboweling them and using fast travel to keep them alive
-people literally melting from being fire or magma
-cleaving open heads or crushing them
Etc. I'd argue DF would be the goriest game in existence if it was 3D with high-def graphics.
Im sure that if it was 3D with highdef graphics it would be banned in europe and at least 2 of the states.Just the fact that you can kick babies until they explode in gore would get the game banned - should have mentioned that.
Never tried this. I know what im doing for the next couple of hours. Im gunna clean this world of babies.Im sure that if it was 3D with highdef graphics it would be banned in europe and at least 2 of the states.Just the fact that you can kick babies until they explode in gore would get the game banned - should have mentioned that.
I don't see what you guys are talking about with BoI, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong trailers and Let's Plays. What gore is that game supposed to have? Are you guys just trying to promote the game by bringing it up at all?
Hi meatgod. Long time no see. XDI don't see what you guys are talking about with BoI, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong trailers and Let's Plays. What gore is that game supposed to have? Are you guys just trying to promote the game by bringing it up at all?
This poll was brought up due to the argument of steam Greenlight in general discussion.
Just to throw my two cents in as I did before...
In dwarf fortress, you can geld children.
-the ability to disembowel a person, bite their guts, then shake them around until you tear out the guts with your own teethDon't forget doing this, but before the actual shake-around you also ready an attack with a blunt and edge weapon such that you bash their skull in, knock them through the air, and then while they're dead in mid-air cut their head off to let the body skid and tumble across the ground or slam into their friends.
-being able to partially bisect a person around the waist (sometimes when you kill someone with a slashing attack to the lower body it says that its "partially severed from the torso")I've completely bisected people, getting the "completely severed from the torso" messages, even gelded during this... somehow.
-being able to simply explode body parts by hitting them hard enough (I can understand how it works with hands or feet but how it would look like with an entire arm or leg I don't really know)Ever seen the DBZ episode with Vegeta and the androids when he's first gone SSJ and is cocky, then 18 just kicks him in the arm and smashes it the wrong way, breaking some of his ribs too?
-gouging or otherwise cutting off all of a persons facial features, cutting off their limbs, disemboweling them and using fast travel to keep them aliveSomehow you can grab someone by the head with one hand and systematically remove their teeth, nose, tongue, ears, and gouge their eyes until they're pulp. You can pinch arms and hands and legs and snip them off, and of course travel away so they live.
-people literally melting from being fire or magmaI've got a dragon/dwarf hybrid I made which is when I learned that the last part of the dragon entry which sets the tissue temperatures also sets sweat and tears, which I fixed to stop burning my clothes off, but I left the spit in. I've been assassinating occupation administrators by spitting on them and watching them burn to death as they try to climb up the walls to get away from their own melting flesh, the whole time talking about "this isn't happening, help, save me!" and so forth.
-cleaving open heads or crushing themGotta love when you tackle someone and end up standing over them, so you stop and look at everyone else in the room, then matter-of-factly stomp their buddies head into gore.
Dorf Fort by a long shot. See; that one story where the guy did the thing that people really didn't like.Ah yes meatgod..
The sheer amount of brutal things you can do in DF makes it more violent than BoI by far. There may be no graphics, but that doesn't mean it's not brutal when you sit in a field of severed heads and melt all your fat off with fire.
In my opinion dwarf fortress can be more violent, first of all you can bite off peoples toes, fingers, tongue. You can rip their throat out, you can gouge out their eyes, you can strangle them with a thong, punch someone so hard or so many times their body parts explode into gore, a ton of disturbing stuff.
Of course not every Dwarf Fortress player is a mass murderer ;D !It's kind of hard not to be on adventure mode, since most of the challenges are met by killing people.
considering I spent most of my adventuring Pacifist* because being able to tell stories to night troll kids was a highlight, also loads of funny scenarios pop up when you let the game throw a hard ball.Of course not every Dwarf Fortress player is a mass murderer ;D !It's kind of hard not to be on adventure mode, since most of the challenges are met by killing people.
But I always feel weird when it comes to those bandit camps...tents full of perpetually sleeping brigands, many civilians by trade, and the only reasonable thing to do is walk in and paint the walls with their blood. And they don't even wake up! I almost wish that they would so at least it'd be something vaguely resembling a fair fight.
I have never seen sleeping bandits in adventure mode when its not night time, was it night time?Practically every time I walk by a wandering bandit camp,* day or night, they're all inside the tent sleeping.
considering some 'invader' camps might be refugees from ruin towns escaping to better land which could happen if you have an invading party that seems to like wrecking sites than claiming them.I have never seen sleeping bandits in adventure mode when its not night time, was it night time?Practically every time I walk by a wandering bandit camp,* day or night, they're all inside the tent sleeping.
* Meaning the little *'s that appear on the map screen, that if you walk up close you see a campfire and 1-3 squarish white "tents," usually containing 0-5 random individuals and 1 "leader." I at least assume these are bandits or invaders of some sort since they tend to appear surrounding a hamlet.
[Yeah, just realized I'm probably creating confusion between bandit camps and invader camps]
The ones you see sleeping in tents, with lots of civilians among them, and no camp symbol on the map are positively not bandits. They may be invaders or refugees. That bug has been around a long time.considering some 'invader' camps might be refugees from ruin towns escaping to better land which could happen if you have an invading party that seems to like wrecking sites than claiming them.I have never seen sleeping bandits in adventure mode when its not night time, was it night time?Practically every time I walk by a wandering bandit camp,* day or night, they're all inside the tent sleeping.
* Meaning the little *'s that appear on the map screen, that if you walk up close you see a campfire and 1-3 squarish white "tents," usually containing 0-5 random individuals and 1 "leader." I at least assume these are bandits or invaders of some sort since they tend to appear surrounding a hamlet.
[Yeah, just realized I'm probably creating confusion between bandit camps and invader camps]
Ach. Any way to tell the difference?The ones you see sleeping in tents, with lots of civilians among them, and no camp symbol on the map are positively not bandits. They may be invaders or refugees. That bug has been around a long time.considering some 'invader' camps might be refugees from ruin towns escaping to better land which could happen if you have an invading party that seems to like wrecking sites than claiming them.I have never seen sleeping bandits in adventure mode when its not night time, was it night time?Practically every time I walk by a wandering bandit camp,* day or night, they're all inside the tent sleeping.
* Meaning the little *'s that appear on the map screen, that if you walk up close you see a campfire and 1-3 squarish white "tents," usually containing 0-5 random individuals and 1 "leader." I at least assume these are bandits or invaders of some sort since they tend to appear surrounding a hamlet.
[Yeah, just realized I'm probably creating confusion between bandit camps and invader camps]
Just ask them about themselves before stabbing if they say they are a lieutenant, they are bandits, if they say they are a soldier they are not bandits, especially if your character asks them not to cause trouble when you introduce yourself. I believe., toady needs to make it easier to tell the difference.Trouble is they don't wake up when I talk to them, or at least that's what I observed when I tried it before.
The best way to be certain is to ask the locals of the nearest settlement about trouble, and if they tell you about an invasion, make a note of the names. One of them will be in that camp, even if they're the only military among them. You may also get the option to ask whether anyone fled, and you can get the name of one leading them.The ones you see sleeping in tents, with lots of civilians among them, and no camp symbol on the map are positively not bandits. They may be invaders or refugees. That bug has been around a long time.Ach. Any way to tell the difference?
That involves a lot of work. I still recommend stabbing the potential bandit, and then asking the villagers if the person you stabbed was in fact a bandit. It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, after all.Ah bullshit, just admit you like any excuse to kill them.
Of course not every Dwarf Fortress player is a mass murderer ;D !
That involves a lot of work. I still recommend stabbing the potential bandit, and then asking the villagers if the person you stabbed was in fact a bandit. It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission, after all.Ah bullshit, just admit you like any excuse to kill them.
We're all sociopaths here, just some of us are more bloodthirsty than others.
Of course not every Dwarf Fortress player is a mass murderer ;D !
Sorry, but when I saw your post I just had to make this (can't draw so Garrys Mod instead)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm racking my brain to remember what I've played recently that is THAT violent. I don't find anything on my HD right now. Maybe it was something on Newgrounds. In fact there's quite a lot on Newgrounds that beats Binding of Isaac; they can get away with a lot more by being Patron-supported.
I'm going out in a limb here, but I'm pretty sure Nothing is THAT violent.Titus Andronicus?
Well if we're getting away from games, there's Ichi the Killer.I'm going out in a limb here, but I'm pretty sure Nothing is THAT violent.Titus Andronicus?
Granted, it's a play, not a video game...
Backing up off the violence itself for a second, I doubt anything is as detailed as dwarf fortress is in any way. 3D or not. Give the violence the same treatment, and . . .
Let's face it, a 3D detailed Dwarf Fortress would be the first game to earn an Adults Only rating for the sake of violence rather than sex.
You forgot deforestation and dubious medical practice.
Whose is that? I want to sig it.Backing up off the violence itself for a second, I doubt anything is as detailed as dwarf fortress is in any way. 3D or not. Give the violence the same treatment, and . . .
Let's face it, a 3D detailed Dwarf Fortress would be the first game to earn an Adults Only rating for the sake of violence rather than sex.
(http://i.imgur.com/4NkKGnm.png)
You forgot deforestation and dubious medical practice.
That is probabbly covered by the "special violence" bit.
Whose is that? I want to sig it.Backing up off the violence itself for a second, I doubt anything is as detailed as dwarf fortress is in any way. 3D or not. Give the violence the same treatment, and . . .
Let's face it, a 3D detailed Dwarf Fortress would be the first game to earn an Adults Only rating for the sake of violence rather than sex.
(http://i.imgur.com/4NkKGnm.png)