Welcome to King of the Mafia, your chance to win the fabulous crown of this subforum! The rules are below. They were originally written by Dakarian and have been edited by webadict and me (my edits are in italics).You think you've proven yourself, child? "Oh my, I won as town!" Meh, that's easy with a whole army at your back and power roles you can abuse. "But I've beaten the town as Mafia!" PHAH! With friends and a horribly weak town.
But can you do both? Can you take down the mafia with 6 others, then turn around as mafia and BEAT those 6 to a pulp? Can you pick just the perfect role-braving additions caused by an evil mod-that will not only help you as town but also as scum? Can you fight off endless waves of people, including those you've killed?
Well then step on the hill and see if you have what it takes to be King of the Mafia.Spoiler: Basic Rules: READ! (click to show/hide)
Specialized Rules:
Inning is not required to sign up. To sign up read only the first two pages of Xylbot's role list (http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12368) and choose ONE role from there (and PM it to me). You will then be assigned with that role, with a possibility of additional features based on balance or tomfoolery(though nothing hidden).Spoiler: Largish rules for choosing a role (click to show/hide)
Once 7 people have signed up, the game begins. A random person will be picked as KING MAFIA and will be given, on top of their role, the Mafiakill. The First Round ONLY will start with a kill-less Night (that is all killing abilities will be disabled).
From there, the game continues. During the game, anyone else can Sign up to be put on a queue. Game will play like a standard mafia game. If you die at any time, you may Sign up again, though others who haven't played that round will have priority.
If King Mafia is killed at any time, the round ends. Those in queue will take the place of those that died to refill the ranks back to 7 (those still alive remain), a new KING MAFIA will be picked, and the game will start on the next phase (Old round ends in Day, new round starts at Night...)
Play continues until KING MAFIA succeeds in being the ONLY one alive. Note that all players being dead does not fulfill the KING MAFIA win condition - in that case a new round would begin with 7 new players.
There is an antilurk system in place. Each RL day, you MUST have either voted (even if its for the same person) or sent in an action. Fail once and you get one prod. Fail twice in the same round and you will be killed, a player in Queue will automatically Sub in for you, and you will not be able to rejoin. Ever.
All may join this game, though be aware of the antilurk system. Please read this line Dariush.
*Toony Edit on No-Lynch policy*
Players may choose to no-lynch two days in a row. Otherwise a lynch must be made. If players force a tie then the lynch target will be randomly decided between the lynch candidates. If there are only two players left the compulsory lynch rule is not enforced, instead a stalemate results in a mafia loss.
You're done with the rules. Now join and claim the mountain!
Hey Tin Foil, are you pleased with the role you sent to Toaster?Yeah I didn't notice something in the rules but whatevs
Better question: what was your ability?Even better question: why are you role fishing already?
Roles aren't connected with alignment. He also doesn't have the ability no more. Technically not role fishing if he doesn't actually have it.Better question: what was your ability?Even better question: why are you role fishing already?
And technically I could have chosen to be a nexus just to fuck with you all. Doesn't mean I did it.Roles aren't connected with alignment. He also doesn't have the ability no more. Technically not role fishing if he doesn't actually have it.Better question: what was your ability?Even better question: why are you role fishing already?
Fair enough.And technically I could have chosen to be a nexus just to fuck with you all. Doesn't mean I did it.Roles aren't connected with alignment. He also doesn't have the ability no more. Technically not role fishing if he doesn't actually have it.Better question: what was your ability?Even better question: why are you role fishing already?
By itself, nothing. It is a point of data in the larger schematic of "hector's play".Fair enough.And technically I could have chosen to be a nexus just to fuck with you all. Doesn't mean I did it.Roles aren't connected with alignment. He also doesn't have the ability no more. Technically not role fishing if he doesn't actually have it.Better question: what was your ability?Even better question: why are you role fishing already?
What do you think my mibbes-aye-mibbes-naw role fishing means then, monsieur?
Is the King Mafia chosen at random each round? Or is it somehow made so that the same person can't get it twice?
4maskwolf, I'm surprised you didn't vote OSG if you think he's rolefishing.I'm surprised you managed to fuck up your names in the first ten posts of the game.
NQT, why say that role fishing isn't a scumtell in KOTM specifically? Surely that'd be true of any BYOR or bastard type game where roles aren't necessarily linked to alignment?It may or may not be a tell in a BYOR or Bastard. I said KOTM specifically because that's the specific game we were about to play.
Yeah well, quickposting late at night will cause you to mix up your names.4maskwolf, I'm surprised you didn't vote OSG if you think he's rolefishing.I'm surprised you managed to fuck up your names in the first ten posts of the game.
Taken. I don't have it anymore.
OSG, was your ability taken or swapped?
Look through the list of roles (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12368&sid=9c8df5e161d068f677796df7a3c5b8f0) and tell me what could have done that.Taken. I don't have it anymore.
OSG, was your ability taken or swapped?
Toaster, please send me far down on the queue. >.>
His role fishing isn't necessarily suspicious, I just asked him why he did it. Am I not allowed to ask questions without finding something suspicious?Yeah well, quickposting late at night will cause you to mix up your names.4maskwolf, I'm surprised you didn't vote OSG if you think he's rolefishing.I'm surprised you managed to fuck up your names in the first ten posts of the game.
So, if you thought hector was rolefishing, and thought that suspicious, why didn't you vote him, especially since the activity system gives you extra incentive to vote as much as possible.
Who took my ability?Well, if your ability was Ice Cream Man, then that was me. So, scumbag, trying to target the stronger players first to ensure they lose their abilities so as to make your odds of winning better?
Thief, Locke, Flitch.Bzzt. Try again.
Shakerag, given the advantage of surviving a round regardless of alignment, do you think that players will be less inclined to pursue cases and draw attention on themselves?Possibly. But then that makes it easier for any other player to jump on their ass about it too. On the other hand, with only seven players, I think there's less chance to sit back and let others do the work like there would be in a much larger game.
Shakerag, it's been nearly two years since the last King game. What's your strategy for winning?Seeing as that I've never played in a KotM before, I suppose I'm just going to wing it.
Look through the list of roles (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12368&sid=9c8df5e161d068f677796df7a3c5b8f0) and tell me what could have done that.Why did you even bother asking this question? Why make OSG look for the role?
4maskwolf: What metal would best describe the kind of balls you'll be displaying in this game?Firemetal.
NQT, why say that role fishing isn't a scumtell in KOTM specifically? Surely that'd be true of any BYOR or bastard type game where roles aren't necessarily linked to alignment?What is this quote here in reference to? NQT hadn't posted since game start.
Thief, Locke, Flitch.Locke and Filch aren't legal roles.
Seeing as that I've never played in a KotM before, I suppose I'm just going to wing it.Shakerag, you're losing your memory in your old age or you're just making stuff up. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137539.msg5143666#msg5143666)
Do -you- have a strategy for winning, oh great Mafia subforum representative?Yeah. For this round at least. I'll explain it in my denouement post when I've found all the clues.
Why did you even bother asking this question? Why make OSG look for the role?I was about to leave the house and didn't have time to look myself.
Anyway, I'll save you the trouble; it was Yellow Goo.Plausible.
Deus AsmothI don't normally answer other people's questions but in this case, I'll point you to here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156520.msg6832229#msg6832229).NQT, why say that role fishing isn't a scumtell in KOTM specifically? Surely that'd be true of any BYOR or bastard type game where roles aren't necessarily linked to alignment?What is this quote here in reference to? NQT hadn't posted since game start.
4mask, Pick one of the three questions I just asked the others and answer it.Why not all of them?
4mask, say I'm a cop, would you like it if I inspected you?That would be acceptable, but I'd rather you actually find scum.
4mask, would you be more threatened by a player who claimed to a have a reactive role or a proactive role (i.e. a role that does something to people targeting them, vs. a role that targets people)?Reactive, because along with day action users they make very dangerous king mafia.
Persus, Shakerag claims to have a goo role. Do you think goos will be popular?Dunno. As far as I remember KotM 4 only had one goo role (me as toxic goo) and I haven't read the earlier ones, so predictions by me would be rather silly.
Well, if your ability was Ice Cream Man, then that was me. So, scumbag, trying to target the stronger players first to ensure they lose their abilities so as to make your odds of winning better?
hector13: Let's pretend OSG said what his ability was right away. How would that information change your play?
Hector, say I'm a cop, would you like it if I inspected you?
Shakerag1 - Huh. Okay, I totally forgot about that.Seeing as that I've never played in a KotM before, I suppose I'm just going to wing it.Shakerag, you're losing your memory in your old age or you're just making stuff up. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=137539.msg5143666#msg5143666)Do -you- have a strategy for winning, oh great Mafia subforum representative?Yeah. For this round at least. I'll explain it in my denouement post when I've found all the clues.Why did you even bother asking this question? Why make OSG look for the role?I was about to leave the house and didn't have time to look myself.Anyway, I'll save you the trouble; it was Yellow Goo.Plausible.
It probably wouldn't.If it wouldn't change your play, then why ask the question?
Multitude of questions:
Should a particular answer to any question change my play, though? (beyond "okay, this answer makes me think they're [alignment] so I'll [action based on that assumption]")
Why do you think that because OSG chose this particular role, that he's that particular alignment?
Assume you are correct in your that OSG targeted you for the reasons you stated. Why do you think he targeted you as opposed to one of the other "strong" players like 4mask or NQT?
I like your claim. How do you think it will affect the other players?
Thoughts regarding cops:Do remember that this game contains a lot of room for obfuscation and mindfuckery. I almost won KotM 4 because NQT removed me from existence when I tried to make a kill and TDS, who claimed an action on me (which failed because I wasn't there at the moment), got accused as King Mafia having failed his kill and lynched. In a game with such a variety of roles, it can be very beneficial to choose not to kill/use your normal role as king mafia if you think you can get away with it.
An alignment cop would likely be town in this instance, as the scum know who the town is so wouldn't need to inspect others.
Role cop is a little bit more ambiguous, since scum might want to know which roles the town have to better tailor who they want to try to get out of the game, while town might just be curious what else is in the game for when they get to be KING MAFIA.
hector13:It probably wouldn't.
Multitude of questions:
Should a particular answer to any question change my play, though? (beyond "okay, this answer makes me think they're [alignment] so I'll [action based on that assumption]")
Why do you think that because OSG chose this particular role, that he's that particular alignment?
Assume you are correct in your that OSG targeted you for the reasons you stated. Why do you think he targeted you as opposed to one of the other "strong" players like 4mask or NQT?
I like your claim. How do you think it will affect the other players?
If it wouldn't change your play, then why ask the question?
Why do you think that because OSG chose this particular role, that he's that particular alignment?2 - Ask me this again after OSG responds.
3 - I have a better win/loss ratio than either of them1. Clearly I am the bigger force to be reckoned with.
PFPI need to clear myself now? Also this is a terrible plan. Who's to say that whomever is king mafia will deliberately choose not to kill tonight? Or gets roleblocked? Or I get roleblocked/redirected/etc.?
Unvote
Shakerag, here's how you're clearing yourself: target me with ice cream tonight. If there's a mafia kill and I lose my role, then you're town.
His role fishing isn't necessarily suspicious, I just asked him why he did it. Am I not allowed to ask questions without finding something suspicious?Its hard to rate tone on the internet, so I thought your question was taking an agressive tone, which I associate with being suspicious of someone. Similarly I'm reading this post as taking a defensive tone beacuse of my vote on you.
Persus13: Okay, first off, what's with all the "13"s? Secondly, do you need some aloe for that burn? Thirdly, in such an intimate game, do you really think that quickposting at night is a solid idea?I've had this username for 4 years, and changing it now would confuse a lot of people. What burn? I was quickposting at night because I was busy today and I would prefer not to get prodded for inactivity immediately in the game.
This feels suspiciously not up to your usual caliber of play.How so?
Persus, Shakerag claims to have a goo role. Do you think goos will be popular?Define popular. Gut reaction though? Yes.
Assume everything I say is said in the sassiest, most disrespectful way possible unless otherwise noted.His role fishing isn't necessarily suspicious, I just asked him why he did it. Am I not allowed to ask questions without finding something suspicious?Its hard to rate tone on the internet, so I thought your question was taking an agressive tone, which I associate with being suspicious of someone. Similarly I'm reading this post as taking a defensive tone beacuse of my vote on you.
Unvote.
It's certainly odd from NQT, I've never seen him do anything like this until D2 at the earliest. Yes, he's usually "plan guy", but his plans generally aren't so... shallow.This feels suspiciously not up to your usual caliber of play.How so?
Understood.Assume everything I say is said in the sassiest, most disrespectful way possible unless otherwise noted.His role fishing isn't necessarily suspicious, I just asked him why he did it. Am I not allowed to ask questions without finding something suspicious?Its hard to rate tone on the internet, so I thought your question was taking an agressive tone, which I associate with being suspicious of someone. Similarly I'm reading this post as taking a defensive tone beacuse of my vote on you.
Unvote.
Well, I'm also the guy NQT decided to try to lynch day 1 without any explanation at all, so my experience with NQT's plans have been slightly colored by that.QuoteIt's certainly odd from NQT, I've never seen him do anything like this until D2 at the earliest. Yes, he's usually "plan guy", but his plans generally aren't so... shallow.This feels suspiciously not up to your usual caliber of play.How so?
Okay, I was being slightly silly, but generally if something could be taken in a snarky way that's probably how I intended it.Understood.Assume everything I say is said in the sassiest, most disrespectful way possible unless otherwise noted.His role fishing isn't necessarily suspicious, I just asked him why he did it. Am I not allowed to ask questions without finding something suspicious?Its hard to rate tone on the internet, so I thought your question was taking an agressive tone, which I associate with being suspicious of someone. Similarly I'm reading this post as taking a defensive tone beacuse of my vote on you.
Unvote.
When was this?Well, I'm also the guy NQT decided to try to lynch day 1 without any explanation at all, so my experience with NQT's plans have been slightly colored by that.QuoteIt's certainly odd from NQT, I've never seen him do anything like this until D2 at the earliest. Yes, he's usually "plan guy", but his plans generally aren't so... shallow.This feels suspiciously not up to your usual caliber of play.How so?
Town don't need to examine my points, I'm on their side. Persus isn't meant to address my points, he's meant to die. Keep up.
Favorite post:It's worth pointing out that I had a quasi-Jester type role in that game. It's not my usual mode of play.Town don't need to examine my points, I'm on their side. Persus isn't meant to address my points, he's meant to die. Keep up.
OK, I've updated my analysis (same link as before). We need to kill Wolf today (all pointers say that he can't be scum). I've just asked Persus to confirm that we'll definitely win if the last union player dies.
Wolf is scum?! That's not true! That's impossible!My first impressions of NQT can be summed up as "you dun goofed" particularly since he gave me the information I needed to more thoroughly convince him I was town, so I don't have the same baggage you do, Persus. :P
Why not all of them?I thought it might be informative to see which you picked.
That would be acceptable, but I'd rather you actually find scum.Standard.
Reactive, because along with day action users they make very dangerous king mafia.Reasonable.
Dunno. As far as I remember KotM 4 only had one goo role (me as toxic goo) and I haven't read the earlier ones, so predictions by me would be rather silly.Ah, did you think that was an effective role? Like, would you want to lynch a toxic goo if you didn't know anything else about anyone?
An alignment cop would likely be town in this instance, as the scum know who the town is so wouldn't need to inspect others.Shakerag picked alignment cop in the last game as a cover. Doesn't mean he couldn't have been scum.
NQT: what's with the loaded questions?What's loaded about any of the questions?
NQT: if someone was being vague enough that their claim was only about their role being reactive or proactive with no other context, I'd likely assume that their role had no bearing on the situation as it currently was and wasn't threatening regardless of what they claimed it was and whether they were telling the truth or not.This? This is a safe response. I liked 4mask's answer much better. Ask me a question.
3 - Then why not wait until you got back?Why wait when I could get an answer in the mean time?
I need to clear myself now? Also this is a terrible plan. Who's to say that whomever is king mafia will deliberately choose not to kill tonight? Or gets roleblocked? Or I get roleblocked/redirected/etc.?We all need to clear ourselves. It's the game. And yeah there's a lot of things that could snag this. But I'm offering you a way to move forward. Assuming you don't target OSG for no reason, there's only a 1/5 chance you'll hit the scum. 4/5 chance you'll hit town. I'm saying, target me, steal my role. It'll be worth your trouble if you're town. You'd know if I tricked you into targeting me for !FUN! because you'd have my role! And if scum wastes a turn not killing or redirecting/blocking you... that's great! It's a win/win. If you don't steal my role, I'm not going to say "you must be scum", so mafia disrupting you would be pointless.
Not to mention that you could lie about losing your role D2 and/or you have some ability that makes ‼fun‼ for those who target you.
Define popular. Gut reaction though? Yes.I mean, more than one person picking it. Interesting gut reaction.
WolfIf a toxic goo has claimed, they've already lost their advantage. Same goes for most goo roles. So not unless they were mafia, no.Dunno. As far as I remember KotM 4 only had one goo role (me as toxic goo) and I haven't read the earlier ones, so predictions by me would be rather silly.Ah, did you think that was an effective role? Like, would you want to lynch a toxic goo if you didn't know anything else about anyone?
DeusNo, this is the logical response. Someone deliberately claiming so vaguely in a vacuum (regardless of whether they claim active or reactive) would be doing so to exaggerate the threat they pose. Why ask such a vague question if what you consider to be a reasonable answer requires the answerer to impose their own conditions on the situation (eg. 4mask replying in relation to a king mafia with a reactive power rather than any player)?NQT: if someone was being vague enough that their claim was only about their role being reactive or proactive with no other context, I'd likely assume that their role had no bearing on the situation as it currently was and wasn't threatening regardless of what they claimed it was and whether they were telling the truth or not.This? This is a safe response. I liked 4mask's answer much better. Ask me a question.
Yes, I was ice cream man, and yes, I wanted to reduce the power of the best players. I suppose you are a role that gets rid of any role of a person who targets you?He claimed yellow goo, yes. Also, as one of the players who was likely on your "to nerf" list, can I just say that I disagree heartily with your plan?
And what if the mafia don't kill? Yeah, they didn't kill that night, but if they have an active role they can use it (thus also gaining some honesty points if/when it's role claim time) and there's more often than not at least one town killing role to do their dirty work for them. On top of that, if your role is in any way useful why would you want to lose it to someone you don't know the alignment of?I need to clear myself now? Also this is a terrible plan. Who's to say that whomever is king mafia will deliberately choose not to kill tonight? Or gets roleblocked? Or I get roleblocked/redirected/etc.?We all need to clear ourselves. It's the game. And yeah there's a lot of things that could snag this. But I'm offering you a way to move forward. Assuming you don't target OSG for no reason, there's only a 1/5 chance you'll hit the scum. 4/5 chance you'll hit town. I'm saying, target me, steal my role. It'll be worth your trouble if you're town. You'd know if I tricked you into targeting me for !FUN! because you'd have my role! And if scum wastes a turn not killing or redirecting/blocking you... that's great! It's a win/win. If you don't steal my role, I'm not going to say "you must be scum", so mafia disrupting you would be pointless.
Not to mention that you could lie about losing your role D2 and/or you have some ability that makes ‼fun‼ for those who target you.
An alignment cop would likely be town in this instance, as the scum know who the town is so wouldn't need to inspect others.Shakerag picked alignment cop in the last game as a cover. Doesn't mean he couldn't have been scum.
NQT: what's with the loaded questions?What's loaded about any of the questions?
Hector, say I'm a cop, would you like it if I inspected you?
Deus, would you be more threatened by a player who claimed to a have a reactive role or a proactive role (i.e. a role that does something to people targeting them, vs. a role that targets people)?
Persus, Shakerag claims to have a goo role. Do you think goos will be popular?
And what if the mafia don't kill? Yeah, they didn't kill that night, but if they have an active role they can use it (thus also gaining some honesty points if/when it's role claim time) and there's more often than not at least one town killing role to do their dirty work for them. On top of that, if your role is in any way useful why would you want to lose it to someone you don't know the alignment of?I need to clear myself now? Also this is a terrible plan. Who's to say that whomever is king mafia will deliberately choose not to kill tonight? Or gets roleblocked? Or I get roleblocked/redirected/etc.?We all need to clear ourselves. It's the game. And yeah there's a lot of things that could snag this. But I'm offering you a way to move forward. Assuming you don't target OSG for no reason, there's only a 1/5 chance you'll hit the scum. 4/5 chance you'll hit town. I'm saying, target me, steal my role. It'll be worth your trouble if you're town. You'd know if I tricked you into targeting me for !FUN! because you'd have my role! And if scum wastes a turn not killing or redirecting/blocking you... that's great! It's a win/win. If you don't steal my role, I'm not going to say "you must be scum", so mafia disrupting you would be pointless.
Not to mention that you could lie about losing your role D2 and/or you have some ability that makes ‼fun‼ for those who target you.
My two cents? You're trying to bait targeting so you can pull some nifty trick. I just have to figure out motive, and a good long look at the role list may prove enlightening. I'll be back later.
Well, I can't anymore. I'm gonna sulk now. >:(Yes, I was ice cream man, and yes, I wanted to reduce the power of the best players. I suppose you are a role that gets rid of any role of a person who targets you?He claimed yellow goo, yes. Also, as one of the players who was likely on your "to nerf" list, can I just say that I disagree heartily with your plan?
Yes, I was ice cream man, and yes, I wanted to reduce the power of the best players. I suppose you are a role that gets rid of any role of a person who targets you?
There are hundreds of roles in that list, what makes you think you can even narrow it down? This assuming you're even correct with your current analysis on NQT... perhaps you just want to look like you're doing something.Hundreds of roles, but only a few where it would make sense to bait that. That's mostly a thought experiment anyway, but I do maintain that NQT has a motive beyond what has been stated because this is very un-NQT-like. I said "be back later" because I was going to a social event and legitimately wasn't going to be able to respond, but I also wanted to see how people interpreted my leaving so I left the reason unstated and tacked it on to the end of an action that would take some time for me to accomplish.
If a toxic goo has claimed, they've already lost their advantage. Same goes for most goo roles. So not unless they were mafia, no.Make sense.
And what if the mafia don't kill? Yeah, they didn't kill that night, but if they have an active role they can use it (thus also gaining some honesty points if/when it's role claim time) and there's more often than not at least one town killing role to do their dirty work for them. On top of that, if your role is in any way useful why would you want to lose it to someone you don't know the alignment of?What you've said is all true but nevertheless, if the mafia don't kill that's still one less townie being killed and that's really what we want. Well, it's what I want. There are lots of reasons I might not mind losing my role.
My two cents? You're trying to bait targeting so you can pull some nifty trick. I just have to figure out motive, and a good long look at the role list may prove enlightening. I'll be back later.There's a lot of things that it would be more plausible for me to be than the thing that I am, but I applaud your willingness to get to the bottom of things.
No, this is the logical response. Someone deliberately claiming so vaguely in a vacuum (regardless of whether they claim active or reactive) would be doing so to exaggerate the threat they pose. Why ask such a vague question if what you consider to be a reasonable answer requires the answerer to impose their own conditions on the situation (eg. 4mask replying in relation to a king mafia with a reactive power rather than any player)?OK. I don't want to dig around in a discussion on how reasonable it is to expand on hypothetical questions posed to you. I ask questions to try to get a handle on how you might be seeing the game.
It's a pussyfoot rolefish, really.Yes, I'm trying to figure out what sort of roles players might have. This will help me make decisions. We know that the King has an active role (the mafiakill) so this is all helpful stuff. What's the problem with that?
Did you gain any insight of the four people who answered your questions?Yes, I'm getting town vibes from Wolf and Persus a little bit more than I was. Do you have any feelings about any of the other players yet?
I'm loving the not-quite-an-OMGUS-FoS, though.OK, I've changed it to a full vote. Are you even happier now? Attacking someone for questioning doesn't seem like a pro-town move.
Hector what's actually wrong with the way NQT's been asking questions from your point of view?
OSG, do you think that hosing random players of their powers would have been more likely to help or hinder your faction?My thinking was that if anybody had a blatantly overpowered ability, such like one that prevents people from finding out who they were. I could nerf their power without removing them. Then people could invesigate them, etc. \
NQTHector what's actually wrong with the way NQT's been asking questions from your point of view?
They're super vague, quite sneaky, and (certainly with the reactive/proactive role one) have massive scope for anyone in the game to manufacture evidence from. I'll bold an addendum to this in my response to NQT (assuming I remember: PFP)
I'll address NQT later, would rather be at a computer where I can find and format things a lot quicker.
It's a pussyfoot rolefish, really.Yes, I'm trying to figure out what sort of roles players might have. This will help me make decisions. We know that the King has an active role (the mafiakill) so this is all helpful stuff. What's the problem with that?
Did you gain any insight of the four people who answered your questions?Yes, I'm getting town vibes from Wolf and Persus a little bit more than I was. Do you have any feelings about any of the other players yet?
I'm loving the not-quite-an-OMGUS-FoS, though.OK, I've changed it to a full vote. Are you even happier now? Attacking someone for questioning doesn't seem like a pro-town move.
Lean: When you said you had left the "I'll be back later" thing as a means to see how people reacted, you pointed out what you were doing after about an hour (initial post was 7:27, you said what you were doing at 8:41) on a Friday night. I don't think that's enough time, but that's just, like, my opinion, man.Welcome to my life: where even my social events are only an hour long :P
Toaster (or anyone): Do we still have to vote for someone/thing every 24 hours during the weekend, even though weekends don't count for time?
We also know that killing is not the only active role in the game. There's inspecting, blocking, watching, tracking, jailing, guarding, redirecting, randomising etc. etc. etc. so it's... not all that helpful if someone implies they have an active ability.It's helpful to know if we're going to be able to confirm that they acted in a night. Like, a tracker can claim later who they were tracking and that could clear them from doing the kill. Obviously I'm not saying all active role folk are scum.
I'm not attacking you for asking questions, I'm attacking you for the kind of questions you ask. You seem to be trying to lead people into saying certain things that you can then respond by saying "aha! I've got you now scumbucket!See, you might have a case if I had said "aha!", but voting me on the pretext that I might "aha!" isn't any kind of case. I might as well vote you on the pretext that by voting for me (a town) shows you can't be trusted to live until LYLO where you might also vote for a town. Make a case for things folk have done, not things they might do.
Now, if shakerag has yellow goo, then nobody will ever be able to target him for investigaions. Therefore, if he is King Mafia, we will have no way of knowing at all. So I think it is a good idea to lynch Shakerag since we have no leads as of now, and shakerag will be impossible to find out. So if he is king mafia, we would have to blind lynch him at some point, why not now?No. If anything, Shakerag is the person we should be letting live for now as he has has the only confirmable role: if he uses his power on someone and there's still a mafia kill then he's in the clear.
Okay, Unvote, but what will we do if he is king mafia?Uh... lynch him?
Okay, Unvote, but what will we do if he is king mafia?
We also know that killing is not the only active role in the game. There's inspecting, blocking, watching, tracking, jailing, guarding, redirecting, randomising etc. etc. etc. so it's... not all that helpful if someone implies they have an active ability.It's helpful to know if we're going to be able to confirm that they acted in a night. Like, a tracker can claim later who they were tracking and that could clear them from doing the kill. Obviously I'm not saying all active role folk are scum.
I'm not attacking you for asking questions, I'm attacking you for the kind of questions you ask. You seem to be trying to lead people into saying certain things that you can then respond by saying "aha! I've got you now scumbucket!See, you might have a case if I had said "aha!", but voting me on the pretext that I might "aha!" isn't any kind of case. I might as well vote you on the pretext that by voting for me (a town) shows you can't be trusted to live until LYLO where you might also vote for a town. Make a case for things folk have done, not things they might do.
Lean: When you said you had left the "I'll be back later" thing as a means to see how people reacted, you pointed out what you were doing after about an hour (initial post was 7:27, you said what you were doing at 8:41) on a Friday night. I don't think that's enough time, but that's just, like, my opinion, man.Welcome to my life: where even my social events are only an hour long :P
I meant How will we ever know if he's king mafia if nobody can investigate him?Is this necessarily the case that nobody can investigate him? I'm reading the yellow goo role description and it doesn't mention whether it stops the intended action or not, so he may not even be a yellow goo anymore.
I'll have to wait till I get home to give proper quotes, but going off Operation Overlord and the last BM, his scum play tends towards indecisiveness and bringing up hypotheticals that don't influence the game (like the what if hector is fake claiming scum hullabaloo from the BM).What if you are just saying that to deflect attention from you?? :P :P :P
Too busy to post until almost day end. origamiscienceguy. Unvote.Toaster
Too busy to post until almost day end. origamiscienceguy. Unvote.Toaster
At the moment Persus voted OSG, OSG had 4 votes, enough to hammer. Does that mean hammer fell right there, or does the immediate unvote prevent hammer from occurring?
4mask, why would you kill Hector?Because he's the hardest person for me to read here. He could be king mafia and I'd blindly believe he was town up until he stabbed me in the back. It's happened several times, except he usually gets offed by randomness before he can win (for instance, Choose Your Own Mafias, where we randomly offed him assuming he was town and he was SK).
Congrats to Deus Asmoth for the accurate read yesterday and Persus13 for the accidental hammer.That was the best mistake I've ever made. I did vote OSG because I found him the most suspicious, I just hadn't read enough to justify my vote and wouldn't have been around to affect day end shenanigans. Whoops.
PersusClearly you killed hector for trying to claim the number 13 for himself. My logic is undeniable.
Shakerag is probably town, as I lost my role last night and there was a kill. So unless anyone is going to claim otherwise, we can consider him confirmed. Right about now, he'll see why I was happy for him to take my role.As long as that kill wasn't from a town player. Is there any incentive for the King Mafia to off someone N1 besides one less player to kill later?
As long as that kill wasn't from a town player. Is there any incentive for the King Mafia to off someone N1 besides one less player to kill later?Unless my maths are off, KM killing on N1 means that they win at the start of day 4 (5 others at the start of D2, 3 at the start of D3 and 1 at the start of D4 for a tied lynch and win) whereas not killing means they have to get through the day 4 lynch as well.
Shakerag is probably town, as I lost my role last night and there was a kill. So unless anyone is going to claim otherwise, we can consider him confirmed. Right about now, he'll see why I was happy for him to take my role.Yeah, I don't know what kinds of assumptions you're operating under, but my ability just makes you into a vanilla role of your alignment. I don't get your lost ability. So maybe you can just explain for the class as to why you're happy.
For clarity's sake: no, I didn't kill hector13.Oh, well, since you put it that way, that's totally believable.
4maskwolf:Because of the Ask a Stupid Question Principle. If somebody asks me a stupid question I'll give them an answer they deserve. In this case, the answer he deserved was snark.
Why did you not deny killing hector13 when NQT first asked you?
Does anyone know what the Batman role does? Not seeing the info on xylbot.As I recall it has ten one-shot abilities or something.
Batman cannot be picked, but the Bruce Wayne role works. For the record Batman is a role with Kill, Roleblock, Inspect and Protect.
Deus Asmoth:the Man can't take my radical world view, man! There are no strings on me, and the Man hates what he can't control, man! Don't be the Man's puppets any more, break free!
Complete this sentence: The reason I'm going to get lynched today is because __________
As I recall it has ten one-shot abilities or something.You're thinking of Chuck Norris.
Because of the Ask a Stupid Question Principle. If somebody asks me a stupid question I'll give them an answer they deserve. In this case, the answer he deserved was snark.Fair enough.
For clarity's sake: no, I didn't kill hector13.Out of wild curiosity, say you did have a kill last night. Who would you have targeted?
*rereads ice cream man role* I think I had the interaction confused with yellow goo. No matter. My role was a one shot 50% corrupt bureaucrat. I learned two town roles on day 1. Anyone want to give me an argument whether or not I should share them?On one hand that could give the KING MAFIA an advantage of what to be wary of (or relieved at seeing crap powers), but on the other hand, one of those two roles could belong to the new KING MAFIA right now and that could give us some informational advantage. I'd be inclined for you to share. If there's a power that never seems to get used it could belong to the KING MAFIA and we could potentially lynch him by process of elimination. Also, if you happen to be KING MAFIA and lie about your role, then thanks for providing your own rope.
ಠ_ಠDeus Asmoth:the Man can't take my radical world view, man! There are no strings on me, and the Man hates what he can't control, man! Don't be the Man's puppets any more, break free!
Complete this sentence: The reason I'm going to get lynched today is because __________
Tinfoil, how would you characterise your play style?Generally it consists of using a combination of mostly sensical logic, deductive reasoning, and a weird blend of stupidity and dumb luck.
TinFoilTopHat:Using stupid roles.
What didn't you notice in the rules when you submitted your role?
What kind of mafia experience do you have?
4maskwolf:Hmm... probably you, because I fucking hate your role ability.For clarity's sake: no, I didn't kill hector13.Out of wild curiosity, say you did have a kill last night. Who would you have targeted?
Yellow Goo or Ice Cream Man?4maskwolf:Hmm... probably you, because I fucking hate your role ability.For clarity's sake: no, I didn't kill hector13.Out of wild curiosity, say you did have a kill last night. Who would you have targeted?
Town powers could slow down or accelerate this time frame, but this is a good point.As long as that kill wasn't from a town player. Is there any incentive for the King Mafia to off someone N1 besides one less player to kill later?Unless my maths are off, KM killing on N1 means that they win at the start of day 4 (5 others at the start of D2, 3 at the start of D3 and 1 at the start of D4 for a tied lynch and win) whereas not killing means they have to get through the day 4 lynch as well.
Persus13:If were going to be throwing around the words "confirmed town", I'd like to make sure its actually the case. As that was a question NQT hasn't responded too, I'll answer you further later. How do you think the King Mafia benefit from not killing on N1?
Why would you wonder about what additional incentive the KING MAFIA would have for killing N1?
4maskwolf:If he had it would have looked suspicious, since NQT's language didn't imply accusation.For clarity's sake: no, I didn't kill hector13.Why did you not deny killing hector13 when NQT first asked you?
PersusClearly you killed hector for trying to claim the number 13 for himself. My logic is undeniable.A man's dead and all you can do is joke about it! How dare you, mafia is serious business. [/joke]
Eheh nicely done, I see what you did there.Yellow Goo or Ice Cream Man?4maskwolf:Hmm... probably you, because I fucking hate your role ability.For clarity's sake: no, I didn't kill hector13.Out of wild curiosity, say you did have a kill last night. Who would you have targeted?
Toaster: What is the proportion need for hammers in this game? Is it 2/3rds of the living players?Majority, as I understand it.
TinFoilTopHat: Why have you been fairly passive in-game so far?I was mostly looking just looking for tells and wondering what good questions would be.
Toaster: What is the proportion need for hammers in this game? Is it 2/3rds of the living players?Majority, as I understand it.
4mask, who do you feel is the scummiest person here and why?Error: not enough time elapsed for reads.
Hmm. I was assuming that NQT meant that he had targeted Shakrag and lost his role as a result. Shakerag using Ice Cream on him makes more sense though.Yes, to confirm, that was what happened.
Hmm. I was assuming that NQT meant that he had targeted Shakrag and lost his role as a result. Shakerag using Ice Cream on him makes more sense though.Yes, to confirm, that was what happened.
Persus, what didn't I answer? Unless there's a town killer, Shakerag is conftown.
Is there any incentive for the King Mafia to off someone N1 besides one less player to kill later?
Why's it a stupid question? Look at how OSG acted: hesitant unvoting at the slightest provocation.I'll answer this after TinFoil answers you.
Tinfoil, why no commitment behind your vote?The vote was mostly for the purposes of getting a reaction from Persus, which likely would've gone better had the Unvote not also been red and bolded, so it didn't stand out quite as much as he saw the post
Eheh nicely done, I see what you did there.I must be having a case of the dumbs, because I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
I'll answer this after TinFoil answers you.I'll admit curiosity to this answer as well. This round feels more like a chat room designated as a "safe place" than a mafia game so far.
The vote was mostly for the purposes of getting a reaction from Persus, which likely would've gone better had the Unvote not also been red and bolded, so it didn't stand out quite as much as he saw the postWell that was a dumbshit thing to do then, wasn't it? Especially considering he didn't even respond to your question before you explained it away as just a pressure vote.
How do you think the King Mafia benefit from not killing on N1?There are a few abilities that give a benefit if you don't use a night action. Also, glorious WIFOM. Technically, (and I almost wish I had thought of this earlier), you could pick Godfather, never do a night kill, and hope your day skills are bad ass enough to see you through.
If he had it would have looked suspicious, since NQT's language didn't imply accusation.Arguable. But I see your point.
4maskwolf:I interpreted it as a way to determine whether my role was active or passive, but apparently you didn't think that far ahead.Eheh nicely done, I see what you did there.I must be having a case of the dumbs, because I'm not seeing what you're seeing.
Nice abbr tags.I'll answer this after TinFoil answers you.I'll admit curiosity to this answer as well. This round feels more like a chat room designated as a "safe place" than a mafia game so far.
Why's it a stupid question? Look at how OSG acted: hesitant unvoting at the slightest provocation.Scum tells are not universal, as you should know from playing here so long. The signs that I'm scum are different from the signs that you are scum. But as it turns out I have to eat my words, because I assumed that TinFoil did the vote/unvote to avoid getting a warning (per the game rules) when apparently it was... supposed to rile up Persus?
Unvotes have to be red and bolded or they won't count. Have you played any games of mafia on this forum before?Tinfoil, why no commitment behind your vote?The vote was mostly for the purposes of getting a reaction from Persus, which likely would've gone better had the Unvote not also been red and bolded, so it didn't stand out quite as much as he saw the post
I'm aware of the fact that they are supposed to be red and bolded, as is the norm here.Unvotes have to be red and bolded or they won't count. Have you played any games of mafia on this forum before?Tinfoil, why no commitment behind your vote?The vote was mostly for the purposes of getting a reaction from Persus, which likely would've gone better had the Unvote not also been red and bolded, so it didn't stand out quite as much as he saw the post
Well then I'm not entirely sure how you're not aware that a pressure/reaction test vote, which by your own admission is what you were going for here, means that you actually keep your vote on them.I'm aware of the fact that they are supposed to be red and bolded, as is the norm here.Unvotes have to be red and bolded or they won't count. Have you played any games of mafia on this forum before?Tinfoil, why no commitment behind your vote?The vote was mostly for the purposes of getting a reaction from Persus, which likely would've gone better had the Unvote not also been red and bolded, so it didn't stand out quite as much as he saw the post
No, but on other forums yes.
Shakerag: the crown is mine by divine right alone.Technically if anyone gets to play that card it's me, I was denied the crown by a coin flip last time around.
TFTH, why did you unvote him at all if you wanted to see how he reacted to being one vote from the hammer?I wanted to avoid a sudden hammer on someone whom I hadn't yet been able to read, while still getting him to react for a moment.
Because I'm not mafia, and not as scummy as certain other players here.Well then I'm not entirely sure how you're not aware that a pressure/reaction test vote, which by your own admission is what you were going for here, means that you actually keep your vote on them.I'm aware of the fact that they are supposed to be red and bolded, as is the norm here.Unvotes have to be red and bolded or they won't count. Have you played any games of mafia on this forum before?Tinfoil, why no commitment behind your vote?The vote was mostly for the purposes of getting a reaction from Persus, which likely would've gone better had the Unvote not also been red and bolded, so it didn't stand out quite as much as he saw the post
No, but on other forums yes.
I'm not going to vote you because that would be hammer, but I would like an explanation of why you shouldn't be lynched today.
Because I'm not mafia, and not as scummy as certain other players here.What makes NQT scummier than you, and why have all of your votes co-incidentally been on people that are voting for you, with little to no explanation?
NQT.
Teneb, who would you more likely try to kill out of Persus and DA, and why?I wouldn't. I don't have a kill, but if I did I'd have used it on a player who I'd consider harder to read, like you or Shakerag, in the hopes of hitting the king.
Shakerag, did your role change in any way? You don't have to tell me how, I just need to know to rule out a possibility.I did read it. Are you asking because you think I tried to kill Shakerag and got goo'd? Here'a some breaking news: I don't have a kill. Or active abilities.
Teneb, didn't you read the game through before entering?
Fallacy, how concerned are you about being lynched today?Thus is life.
4mask, according to my notes, you were most likely a kind of goo before. Is that correct?Let's just say Shakerag won't be doing that to any more people and leave it at that, shall we?
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.Baa baa Persus sheep have you any wool? :P
Well then.<3
Shakerag nailed me with his vanilification role last night.
Fun for the whole family.
Let's just say Shakerag won't be doing that to any more people and leave it at that, shall we?News to me. Either you're wrong or Toaster is slacking.
Shakerag, did your role change in any way? You don't have to tell me how, I just need to know to rule out a possibility.As of right now I received no PM from the moderator. So if my role changed at all I am not aware of it.
Teneb: Interesting that you've voted and unvoted so early in the day. Why?Because I'm a busy bastard and want to avoid being modkilled like in the last KotM that I took part in (Can't remember if it was the last one or the one before that).
And why would I think you'd have tried and failed to kill Shakerag?You wouldn't. But your loaded first question to me tried to imply that I'd performed one of the kills.
Active abilities? Plural? Like, you have more than one passive ability? Like, you could be a ghoul who picked up a random passive when Persus died?Do you say "zero ability" or "zero abilities" when referring to how many you have? Because by "no active abilities" I mean "I have zero active abilities". Nice try, though.
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.Wake up sheeple!
NQT, it wasn't a revive, technically. I faked my death because I thought it'd avoid actions for the night. It doesn't, as it turns out, but there aren't two kills at play at least. I got the action as a 1-shot when OSG got lynched.Have you ever targeted Persus on any round?
All: someone appears to have altered my roleIt must have been either Fallacy or Teneb (though Teneb would have to be lying) so, you're right, it was probably Fallacy. That's good! What was the effect?
So one of either Fallacy or Teneb must have targeted Persus last night. As a new ghoul, they'd have no roles on their first night. So Persus must have been killed by a King ghoul.In light of this, Fallacy might've been the one to do the kill. I really wonder where you got the whole "you must be ghoul!" thing from. Just because I have no active abilities? Wow, that truly is a very precise description of a single role! It is clear that this single role, and no other, is the one with no active abilities whatsoever. And I would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for you meddling kids! /sarcasm
DA claims their role was changed last night. Teneb has claimed not to have an active ability, so that leaves Fallacy to have been the one to target DA. Thus, the only person who could both be a ghoul and have targeted Persus is Teneb.
Unless anyone has any left-field information to throw at me, I think that's this day solved.
(http://i.imgur.com/v9vtluP.png)Enjoy that lung cancer.
ninja: 4mask4mask always ninja, do figure his.
Teneb: I have a roleblock now. Why is this relevant to your interests?Well, I wanted to check if you became Green Goo, but that is irrelevant now.
They're a useful tool if they are town, so I'm not eager to hang them without some further questioning.See, honestly, I can't buy anyone else being scum right now, and Shakerag is dead anyway so he doesn't even enter into the equation. The odds of getting absolutely annihilated because you didn't kill outweigh the potential confusion of not killing in my mind as scum, at least with no actions, so in no world are NQT, myself, or Teneb scum (I fucked up my words earlier, I meant if neither fallacy or Shakerag were scum lynch Deus). I don't really buy scum!Deus trying to dodge night actions with a suicide as scum, and Shakerag is dead from toxin at day end. Which leaves FallacyofUrist as the most likely culprit. Deus can't kill more than one person at night, so even if somehow one of Shakerag and FoU isn't scum Deus can still be lynched.
And to everybody: what's this I hear about Shakerag dying of toxin/poison at the end of this day?I was a toxic goo. Anyone who targets me will die. Thus, death to Shakerag.
That leaves Shakerag (who's dead today anyway, no need to lynch) and FallacyofUristYou diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick.
Deus Asmoth: Do you have some sort of suicide ability, or was that which hit you actually a kill(or do you not know)?
it wasn't a revive, technically. I faked my death because I thought it'd avoid actions for the night. It doesn't, as it turns out, but there aren't two kills at play at least. I got the action as a 1-shot when OSG got lynched.
Teneb(has he posted yet today?)Wow, you are really not reading the damn game. The day started with NQT attacking me and me defending myself. I'd vote you to make a point of how shittily you are playing, but then that'd be hammer.
You see, this is why I need to improve my day game.Fallacy, if you're not going to even try and make a coherent case, you might as well save us all some time and self-hammer. If you don't read the game, then you're obviously not hunting scum.
...And I ended up voting for the person I was going to vote for anyway. That's fine by me.4maskwolf: What was your argument against me going to have been if I didn't claim the kill?
Fallacy, yes the rationale for killing in general is obvious but why Persus specifically?This looks like a pressure vote to me.
4maskwolf: What was your argument against me going to have been if I didn't claim the kill?Lucky you! I still have the post I was going to make!
Nope.
Nope nope nope.
None of this flies.
None of it.
You're all bad and you should feel bad.
There is no reason Persus13 could not have mutated Deus Asmoth's role last night
If he became a ghoul any time before the end of Day 2, his power gained from Tinfoil's death could have been a one-shot mutate, which he used on Deus Asmoth. This is easily possible without him being a goo if he has a role that can copy another player’s role, which definitely exist in this game. N0 he copies Deus Asmoth, N1 only god knows, and N2 he mutates DA’s role since he knows DA is a ghoul as well. If that is the case, there is no reason FallacyofUrist is clear of making the kill. None at all. Absolutely none. And given the player arrangement and the nightkill that was made, I find it likely.
FallacyofUrist
And yes, I was a toxic goo and Shakerag is going to die. Sorry Shakerag, but you're a dick for using that role on me :P
Now, I'm going to note that some of you may hate this reasoning. But it's what I've got.This.
I killed Persus because he was there. I decided that having fewer suspects to deal with was worth potentially killing a townie. We've got the numbers advantage. We can afford to lose a few people. The King... well, mr. King Mafia is... drum roll... one person.
Persus being town was unfortunate, as it would have been preferable to shoot the King. But him(Persus) being dead means there are fewer suspects to consider, and thus we're more likely to lynch the scum.
In short, I did it to help speed up the game and simplify the issue at hand.
-snip-Do you really think doing it randomly makes it more of a town move, rather than scummier?
Eh. If I was scum, I would have done it at random too.-snip-Do you really think doing it randomly makes it more of a town move, rather than scummier?
Who are you going to kill tonight if we don't lynch you?I haven't decided yet. If I can't make what I consider to be a decent deduction of who the King Mafia player is, I'll just shoot randomly again to get the suspects down, but if I can come up with good reasons why I should shoot somebody... bang. So yeah, I haven't decided yet. Hopefully by the end of this day I'll have enough information to make a good decision.
FoU, if you want me to theorise: you didn't know that I hadn't been the target of a kill until I pointed it out to you. Therefore, since there had been two kills you thought that it was safe for you to claim the kill that also did something else and leave us to assume that the king mafia had killed me. How's that work for you?Huh. That's good logic. I don't have anything to say against that.
I roleblocked NQT. I thought his behaviour was a bit off and inspecting him was a bit pointless since I was the person he'd want dead for that very reason. The fact that he was killed instead makes me think that the person who killed him didn't want NQT back on his case now that FOU's been lynched. Right, Teneb?Maybe. Or maybe you are lying scrum trying to fakeclaim to get 4maskwolf to not lynch you as he suggested, yesterday, doing today. DA
Teneb: Why should I lynch Deus Asmoth?Because his whole "case" relies on WIFOM? DA himself mentiones NQT wanted him dead, and what is a more appealing target? Someone who already stated their opinions on him and appeared inclined to attack them once the day started (nqt), or someone who he could shift the blame to because they'd already been attacked by the other potential target in the past (me)?
Teneb: No, I didn't. I said that NQT wanted you dead, which is actually true, unlike what you're trying to claim.Oh?
I roleblocked NQT. I thought his behaviour was a bit off and inspecting him was a bit pointless since I was the person he'd want dead for that very reason. The fact that he was killed instead makes me think that the person who killed him didn't want NQT back on his case now that FOU's been lynched. Right, Teneb?What did I bold then?
-His first vote was an OMGUS on NQT that he also immediately withdrew. His second was a vote on himself that he also immediately withdrew.You mean the vote I did to prevent a prod because I didn't know if I'd have time to do it later? Like this?
Teneb: Interesting that you've voted and unvoted so early in the day. Why?Because I'm a busy bastard and want to avoid being modkilled like in the last KotM that I took part in (Can't remember if it was the last one or the one before that).
He also said that he wanted to vote for FoU but then didn't for reasons, instead asking the rest of the players for permission to hammer him.Again, look:
No reason, huh?Teneb(has he posted yet today?)Wow, you are really not reading the damn game. The day started with NQT attacking me and me defending myself. I'd vote you to make a point of how shittily you are playing, but then that'd be hammer.
Should we hammer, or let the day proceed as normal?
I'd also like to point out that Teneb targeting Persus for a kill on the same night as Fallacy is within the bounds of possibility.I take your wine and sip it.
You bolded me saying that if NQT were scum he'd want me dead due to me having an inspect. Unless you're trying to claim that NQT is scum, I don't see what the point you're trying to make is.Teneb: No, I didn't. I said that NQT wanted you dead, which is actually true, unlike what you're trying to claim.Oh?I roleblocked NQT. I thought his behaviour was a bit off and inspecting him was a bit pointless since I was the person he'd want dead for that very reason. The fact that he was killed instead makes me think that the person who killed him didn't want NQT back on his case now that FOU's been lynched. Right, Teneb?What did I bold then?
Yes, exactly like that. You haven't voted for anyone that wasn't already voting for you for this entire round, and you didn't leave a vote on anyone at all yesterday. Didn't want to draw attention on yourself, or just didn't care about scumhunting?-His first vote was an OMGUS on NQT that he also immediately withdrew. His second was a vote on himself that he also immediately withdrew.You mean the vote I did to prevent a prod because I didn't know if I'd have time to do it later? Like this?Teneb: Interesting that you've voted and unvoted so early in the day. Why?Because I'm a busy bastard and want to avoid being modkilled like in the last KotM that I took part in (Can't remember if it was the last one or the one before that).
Either you thought he was scum or you didn't. If you did, you wouldn't have a problem with hammering him. If you didn't, you wouldn't be wasting a lynch just to prove a point.He also said that he wanted to vote for FoU but then didn't for reasons, instead asking the rest of the players for permission to hammer him.Again, look:No reason, huh?Teneb(has he posted yet today?)Wow, you are really not reading the damn game. The day started with NQT attacking me and me defending myself. I'd vote you to make a point of how shittily you are playing, but then that'd be hammer.
Should we hammer, or let the day proceed as normal?
Yes, pointing out that something is statistically possible is clearly the height of lunacy.I'd also like to point out that Teneb targeting Persus for a kill on the same night as Fallacy is within the bounds of possibility.I take your wine and sip it.
And so ends the shortest ever KotM. Congratulations on your crown, Teneb. May you wear it proudly.Something something Teneb Rex.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overlordBeep Boop
congratulations Teneb on convincing me to make yet another stupid mistake.This last bit was actually a bit stressful, since I was worried about sounding desperate while refuting DA's stuff.
Actually I thought Deus Asmoth sounded like he was desperately trying to shift the blame onto you. Shows you how much I know about mafia.congratulations Teneb on convincing me to make yet another stupid mistake.This last bit was actually a bit stressful, since I was worried about sounding desperate while refuting DA's stuff.
I was kind of expecting the day to go on a bit longer, but I guess the result was kind of inevitable. Why didn't you kill anyone on the first night?I like to, as scum, not use the nightkill every now and then. It throws people off. For example, in a past game (I forget which) I didn't kill and then claimed to have blocked/protected someone, making me look town. And besides, didn't NQT, in this very game, say that the king had no reason to not kill?
DAMN I knew Teneb was scum, I could feel it in my bones but I lazily jumped on the Fallacy wagon. I was on fire as town in this game until I dropped the ball there!Thinking about it, I have no idea if I would have even survived D3 if FoU hadn't admitted to doing the kill.
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I feel alot better now
I am. I was just mad about being unable to give everybody the ice cream they deserve.
..-. ..- -.-. -.- / -.-- --- ..- / ... .... .- -.- . .-. .- --. .-.-.-As the kids say these days, "ayy lmao".
I feel alot better now
That's not very polite.I've been called worse by better. Seriously though, don't worry about it.
You should just say what you mean, bro. Even if it's "cucking funt" or something. Or "cunning stunt", since it's a bit more subtle.Although this made me giggle. I heartily recommend "twunt" in that same vein.
I am. I was just mad about being unable to give everybody the ice cream they deserve.As far as mafia cockblocks go, that was pretty tame.
You could say his plans were ...I am. I was just mad about being unable to give everybody the ice cream they deserve.
You were out ice creamed, dude ;)
You don't know about webadict?Of course I know who he is- but since when is he back? Last I heard he vanished in the middle of BYOR14 or something!
You raise a good point. He is known for disappearing suddenly. This probably drew him out. And his only two posts since BYOR14 were today.You don't know about webadict?Of course I know who he is- but since when is he back? Last I heard he vanished in the middle of BYOR14 or something!
Hmm, I've called the next King 4 times in a row. I'm going with Shakerag this time. His unpredictability makes him hard to read on both alignments, but you'll never see the double cross coming as KING MAFIA. But, to be fair, notquitethere will give him a run for his money.Huh. Can't say as that I recall my playstyle getting praise before.
Also, where in the hell did you disappear to, you ass?And just like that, he's wubba'd off again.
I think flabort has some personal stuff going on just now.I'm a complete emotional wreck and heavily self-medicate with alcohol, and I can still get shit done on a daily basis. I guess it's one of those life skills you pick up along the way.
:|Man. I just got a $100-off-a-case coupon for this wine website and I find out that they can't even deliver cases of wine to my state. FML.
Well, at least it's wine. :p
Also, how much *is* a case of wine in the us right now?
Do you want "this complements the pasta nicely" wine, "make the problems go away" wine, or "wake up in a gutter with three migraines" wine?Well the website I was looking at was more of the first option, and a case of six bottles was around $170.
Also Shakerag: relevant (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=138325.0)Toaster uses Platitudes! ... but it failed!
I loathe the taste of wine. And champagne. Pretty much any fancy drink. Though I have downed a bottle of whiskey and woken up eighteen hours later on occasion.Wine's okay, champagne is ehh, whiskey should only be used to remove paint.
That said, all my drunk mafia posting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124335.msg4223421#msg4223421) can be credited to whiskey.That was an insanely fun time. :3
I've enjoyed a good bit of coconut rum lately. That said, all my drunk mafia posting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=124335.msg4223421#msg4223421) can be credited to whiskey.There needs to be a funny Bay12 Mafia compilation somewhere. With that and Kingmaker 4 as the first two on the list. The best part is Tiruin figuring out what happened.
I'm going to avoid talking about this game before I start swearing up a motherfucking goddamn storm.
I logged off and found that I existed in some sort of dimensional other-space. Also, I can't seem to focus on Mafia anymore in a way that most people might consider healthy, so I quit instead.Hmm, I've called the next King 4 times in a row. I'm going with Shakerag this time. His unpredictability makes him hard to read on both alignments, but you'll never see the double cross coming as KING MAFIA. But, to be fair, notquitethere will give him a run for his money.Huh. Can't say as that I recall my playstyle getting praise before.
Also, where in the hell did you disappear to, you ass?
Spoilspec some games? Maybe try your hand at being Scum IC in a BM? Just suggestions, since I have no idea how busy you actually are.I logged off and found that I existed in some sort of dimensional other-space. Also, I can't seem to focus on Mafia anymore in a way that most people might consider healthy, so I quit instead.Hmm, I've called the next King 4 times in a row. I'm going with Shakerag this time. His unpredictability makes him hard to read on both alignments, but you'll never see the double cross coming as KING MAFIA. But, to be fair, notquitethere will give him a run for his money.Huh. Can't say as that I recall my playstyle getting praise before.
Also, where in the hell did you disappear to, you ass?
So basically, ya know, stuff happened. Same as any old day in the life of web.
I'd really like to do another game, but I know I wouldn't be able to stay and play or mod for it. Just don't have the same free time that I used to. That and I'm nowhere near as good as I used to be.
Spoilspec ain't a bad idea, but scum IC might be. I wouldn't be able to help them right away. Now, spoilspecing a BM wouldn't be too bad, because then I could help scum and town.Spoilspec some games? Maybe try your hand at being Scum IC in a BM? Just suggestions, since I have no idea how busy you actually are.I logged off and found that I existed in some sort of dimensional other-space. Also, I can't seem to focus on Mafia anymore in a way that most people might consider healthy, so I quit instead.Hmm, I've called the next King 4 times in a row. I'm going with Shakerag this time. His unpredictability makes him hard to read on both alignments, but you'll never see the double cross coming as KING MAFIA. But, to be fair, notquitethere will give him a run for his money.Huh. Can't say as that I recall my playstyle getting praise before.
Also, where in the hell did you disappear to, you ass?
So basically, ya know, stuff happened. Same as any old day in the life of web.
I'd really like to do another game, but I know I wouldn't be able to stay and play or mod for it. Just don't have the same free time that I used to. That and I'm nowhere near as good as I used to be.
To scum: KILL <randomtownplayer>, HE'S THE COP.Sounds about right.
To town: KILL <randomplayer>, HE'S MAFIA.
More seriously, though, I don't believe the meta has changed all too much. Maybe less aggressive?