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Dwarf Fortress => DF Adventure Mode Discussion => Topic started by: SwedishLemon on April 10, 2016, 02:12:00 pm

Title: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: SwedishLemon on April 10, 2016, 02:12:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/rAgJp4g.png)

Okay, thaaaat's enough Dwarf Fortress for a while...
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Untrustedlife on April 10, 2016, 02:28:56 pm
Quote from: SwedishLemon on April 10, 2016, 02:12:00 pm
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Okay, thaaaat's enough Dwarf Fortress for a while...

I don't see anything here that is entirely impossible for example I see no "soandso is my brother and also my father" anywhere here which was the title of the thread.

All I see is a lot of incest.

Is this kid of Nobel blood? (Does he live in a keep)  incest happened all the time to these kinds of families in the Middle Ages.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Urlance Woolsbane on April 10, 2016, 02:31:18 pm
Were you on an island, perchance?

The topic-title is rather misleading, implying as it does Oedipus Rex-style hijinks.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: TheBiggerFish on April 10, 2016, 02:32:19 pm
PTW anyway.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Eric Blank on April 10, 2016, 07:12:20 pm
Df permits incest, yes. Not sure if it always comes up at random or is associated with a lack of other suitable partners.
Thankfully for these folks, incest does not result in potentially debilitating birth defects at the moment.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Max™ on April 10, 2016, 08:55:13 pm
A cousin who is her mother is pretty squick.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 11, 2016, 11:29:12 pm
An uncle who is also a cousin is entirely possible without incest, especially in small population pools, like the ones double-digit year dates tend to produce. 

Two people get married, have a son who eventually has a child that is the speaker.  The paternal grandmother dies, and the grandfather remarries to a woman that is the sister of his daughter-in-law, producing another son that is both uncle and cousin to the child speaker.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Bumber on April 12, 2016, 06:47:32 am
Quote from: NW_Kohaku on April 11, 2016, 11:29:12 pm
An uncle who is also a cousin is entirely possible without incest, especially in small population pools, like the ones double-digit year dates tend to produce. 

Two people get married, have a son who eventually has a child that is the speaker.  The paternal grandmother dies, and the grandfather remarries to a woman that is the sister of his daughter-in-law, producing another son that is both uncle and cousin to the child speaker.
DF marriage is for life.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Elfhater69 on April 12, 2016, 06:48:53 am
What if the spouse dies?
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Bumber on April 12, 2016, 06:57:01 am
Quote from: Elfhater69 on April 12, 2016, 06:48:53 am
What if the spouse dies?
Forever alone. (Well, maybe there's night trolls?)

" 'Til both our deaths do we part (or my ghost will beat you to death.)"

Actually, if marriage is tied to the soul there's probably no escape. IDK if it is.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Trollhammaren on April 12, 2016, 12:32:12 pm
Do I have this right?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

So Kusut and Ulum had 3 children, Mathras, Munosh and Batow. Batow married her uncle, who is unnamed, and gave birth to Jath.
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 12, 2016, 02:18:55 pm
Nice MS Painting, there, but yes.  That seems correct, although I'm not sure where Bastow should be appended.  (Presumably, a child of Mathras or Munosh, since they would be cousins on either side of the family.)

So, basically, this is one case of incest, and for the record, it's an inbreeding coefficient (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_relationship) of 0.25. 
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Max™ on April 12, 2016, 04:54:39 pm
I was explaining this thread to the missus and she had a verbal typo of great amusement. "Ah yes, this is my mothercuzzer, wait what?"

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 12, 2016, 06:53:56 pm
Quote from: Max™ on April 12, 2016, 04:54:39 pm
I was explaining this thread to the missus and she had a verbal typo of great amusement. "Ah yes, this is my mothercuzzer, wait what?"

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

The inevitable Hapsburg reference.

Fun Fact: He had a total inbreeding coefficient of 0.254 from generations of aunt-marrying to prevent foreign nobles from having claims on the throne.  (They should have just used matrilineal marriage to low-rank nobodies.  Works wonders in Crusader Kings.)
Title: Re: "(Blank) is my Brother. He is also my Father."
Post by: Max™ on April 13, 2016, 12:43:43 am
It wasn't so much the level of it, as the whole "two of my 16 great-great-great-grandmothers, six of my 32 great-great-great-great-grandmothers, and six of my 64 great-great-great-great-great-grandmothers were the same woman" thing.