Hmm, against my better judgement I'll go ahead and sign up for this. Seeing as I'd want my time in this to be short, would anyone mind if I grab ermor?
Hmm, eriu then? I'm not sure how going with an awake pretender would gimp me as ermor.
Ermor can be very harsh on newbs, you could gimp yourself by starting without a awake pretenderI wouldn't call that gimping. It's quite effective with Ermor to start imprisoned to pay for a bless, and use your massive D income to boost your starting mage from 2D to 3D after only a few turns and your starting armies/freespawn are absolutely sufficient to keep you going before that point.
I...I can't believe someone said ASHEN ERMOR isn't noob friendly.It's not friendly when playing against noobs, not when playing as a noob. Actually, it sucks to play against no matter who you are, there's a reason it wins a third of the games it's in.
Oh no. We'll be using llama server. I'm pretty sure I had written up a bit on round 420 when I ran that. Thtb is going to do most of the heavy lifting of picking a map, mods and settings for the round. What you will need to do as a player is relatively simple in comparison.
First off, there's two email addresses you need to know of. pretenders[at]llamaserver[dot]net and turns[at]llamaserver[dot]net
What you do is find the title of the game you are joining, and in the subject line, put that title in and send your pretender to the first email address. For turns you attach the 2h file and just send to turns, no subject needed.
Those files are all found in your applocal folder, once you make a pretender using the tools it should be found there. I'd give more details but I have a class to catch up on, so hopefully it's enough for you to ask more guided questions, heh.
I...I can't believe someone said ASHEN ERMOR isn't noob friendly. I mean for fucks sake its THE most overpowered nation there is. You literally only have to care about death gems/enchantment, and can trash all your scales but luck and magic and be 100% fine.
Hell the GODDAMN AI could probably survive till mid/lategame with Ermor.
Literally the only thing Ermor ever has to worry about is the fact that everyone else will gang up on it for being massively OP.
Let's see, pretty sure Abyssia counts. So does Marignon to an extent. Both have diversity problems. Those are the two off the top of my head.Of those four, I think I'll give Shinuyama a try.
Shinuyama and Asphodel possibly?
I'm not sure if using a different map image impacts the multiplayer game any
I see. And now what I try to find a link or email on the website to send my pretender to I cannot. What is this email I am suppose to be sending my pretender to?
Alright, Server-Admin came back to me and fixed a issue specific to this map link/version.I think we should totally try to run both concurrently.
The ORGINAL game has started.
Alright, Server-Admin came back to me and fixed a issue specific to this map link/version.I think we should totally try to run both concurrently.
The ORGINAL game has started.
Well. The good news about Tei'n Ch'i is that I'm not reliant on cap troops. Since a stupid throne has further limited my capital's resource options.That's surprisingly powerful intelligence to be giving out on turn 1 - there aren't that many territories that border thrones.
Stupid throne.
The other good news is that I have lots of magic colors for item crafting! Hurray for trading and diplomacy and I love you all you're all the bestest ever.
It's just a link.
Yeah, I found it weird.
(http://i.imgur.com/3QeEFqY.png)
That's what I used to download it, then just dropped it in the mods folder. Seems to have worked, though don't forget to enable it in-game!
and Ociana tanked scales heavly for something nasty.It's not so much that I tanked scales... I just didn't pick very good ones, and I have terrible luck. As in, actual luck, not in-game scales, I do actually have the latter in positive.
Somehow I haven't met anyone, but maybe I'm not scouting aggressively enough?
Also, what are the benefits of losing a commander's turn early on to declare a prophet? Do they have passive abilities?
Well ya not doing anything turn 1 anyway, might as well prophet the commander. In dom 3 you used to turn tax to max & patrol, but here you don't.
I just take it for the smite(s)
Didn't I read somewhere that they stay with you for a few months, then are up for rehire, though you get a bonus in the subsequent auction if you own them?That's exactly it - you get them for 3 months, then (if they're still alive at that time) they'll go up for anyone to bid on. Whoever last owned them gets a 2x advantage for each gold they bid.
Ah. Yes. You see, it turns out that I am simply too good. I hired them with plans to have them all die, and thus had mentally written off the task of re-hiring. Sadly, my superior generalship prevented my mercenaries from dying gloriously as expected.Didn't I read somewhere that they stay with you for a few months, then are up for rehire, though you get a bonus in the subsequent auction if you own them?That's exactly it - you get them for 3 months, then (if they're still alive at that time) they'll go up for anyone to bid on. Whoever last owned them gets a 2x advantage for each gold they bid.
edit: note - you want to bid on mercs that show 1 month left on their contract - there's no month 0, they just revert to being neutral.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, Caelum not focusing heavily in research is really gonna come bite me in the ass later, isn't it?
...but god only knows...How appropriate, considering the circumstances. :P
Also feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to hash out some sorta deal.Or use the ingame messaging for extra slowness and RP potential. :)
Shinuyama - 2 (28.6%)::)
Subjectively, I would have voted for you just because you're directly in my path of expansion. However I voted "no one", so I've no idea why the others are voting you up.QuoteShinuyama - 2 (28.6%)::)
The heck did I do to you people? I'm in a 3-way tie for 3rd in provinces, second last in income, and although my research and army size are doing okay, I'm not in first in either. How am I the number 1 threat?
Yeah, I definitely have a hard time mapping names on here to in-game names.
Was there any player-vs-player combat besides me and Ociana yet?I am now in a conflict with Caelum. I thought they were building a fort and wanted to stop it, and I want to bloody them a bit so their fliers are less of a threat later.
I'm nibbling at Shinuyama, so not all of us. :PYou'd have to pick that province, wouldn't you? Bah, I hate wasting gold on incomplete forts.
Wow those score graphs.
Wow - I'm guessing that that wasn't quite how you thought the battle would go:
Next turn well see my army size cut in half.
I think the game might've accidentally sent itself back a turn? It sent me the .trn for round 19, but now it's saying that it's on round 18 and I need to send in a turn for that.
I'm actually attacking Man, and have no intention of going underwater. My justification for attacking Man is that I sent them a very nice message offering a non-aggression pact, and they never responded.
If there's no non-aggression pact, the law of double negatives means there has to be an aggression pact. This is a true fact, and you can't disagree with it.
If there's no non-aggression pact, the law of double negatives means there has to be an aggression pact. This is a true fact, and you can't disagree with it.
I can't tell if you are serious ???
Lesson learned: At no point in the game will I have 'enough' chaff. Well done, Man.(your other lesson here should be that your hp decreases drastically for your pretender as you head into enemy dominion. There's reasons you'd want your pretender leading a campaign, but tanking is not one of them. Side note, all sacred units are automatically blessed if their pretender is on the field.)
MA Man is basically the epitome of "our arrows will blot out the sun". Longbowmen FTW. They're even not half bad in melee.In this case, Micro did their research, heh.
Lesson learned: At no point in the game will I have 'enough' chaff. Well done, Man.(your other lesson here should be that your hp decreases drastically for your pretender as you head into enemy dominion. There's reasons you'd want your pretender leading a campaign, but tanking is not one of them. Side note, all sacred units are automatically blessed if their pretender is on the field.)
I'd like to award one certified medal of ass kicking to Man for turning what seemed like a hopeless looking defensive campaign into a massacre against C'tis. Also goes to show that even the strongest fear and awe combo aura is useless against things that know no fear. Like arrows.
Thanks a bunch. Surprised Man didn't press their advantage on me, but I guess something else must be keeping them busy.
To be honest, the Eiru Man war was brewing for a while.
For the cheap price of 4 Astral Gems, I could mind Hunt for you, to take out those pesky commanders. Standing offer for now.Do you charge extra to Mind Hunt people who use astral researchers?
I don't think I'm suited to PBEM. I'm too nice. I just wanna hug y'all.You don't need to be mean. Just make friends, you'll get reason enough to fight and backstab then. Other than that? I find that some sympathy goes a long way. We're all here to have fun, but I will admit that at times, when you're on the losing end of a beatstick, it's a very frustrating situation to be in. I mean, I'm currently at war with Micro, but prolly in a few turns we'll be shaking hands, win or lose. Hopefully anyway. I did a really sneaky thing as is.
Except for T'ien Ch'i, who thought it'd be appropriate to start aggressions.
No hugs for you!
Not here. No clue what is good research and what isn't :P Just getting a bunch of stuff, but nothing compared to all of yinz. Any guides to magic you would recommend?We're both air nations, so the typical critical path for us is Conjuration 2, evocation 5. That gives you a solid grounding (heh) for summoning storm power and casting storm. Then you go with evocation spam. Caelum specifically also has storm immune flyers, so it seems the intended path.
Heh. Spreading out defenders and centralizing them just before an attack doesn't work so well. They just run into the fort and hide while those who were there already fail to deal with the problem.
Not here. No clue what is good research and what isn't :P Just getting a bunch of stuff, but nothing compared to all of yinz. Any guides to magic you would recommend?
Storm boosts the effectiveness of that, doesn't it? (But you can make a staff of storms as an alternative)
I don't think I'm suited to PBEM. I'm too nice. I just wanna hug y'all.Aw :(
Except for T'ien Ch'i, who thought it'd be appropriate to start aggressions.
No hugs for you!
Storm boosts the effectiveness of that, doesn't it? (But you can make a staff of storms as an alternative)
I think you need a storm to use storm power.
So Man and Eriu just had a big tussle. Nobody gained provinces over it, so I'm wondering- who was the victor?
Score graphs.So Man and Eriu just had a big tussle. Nobody gained provinces over it, so I'm wondering- who was the victor?
Hrm? Not sure how you got info on what type of battle it was without knowing who the victor is. Doesnt sound like you have a scout or even vision on the province.
Score graphs.So Man and Eriu just had a big tussle. Nobody gained provinces over it, so I'm wondering- who was the victor?
Hrm? Not sure how you got info on what type of battle it was without knowing who the victor is. Doesnt sound like you have a scout or even vision on the province.
Hi, don't worry, the server just got stuck trying to start a game which didn't work. It's now going through its backlog so it'll get to your game before too long.
Cheers,
llama
danger zone
Caelum will fight the T'ien Ch'i invaders until its wings are clipped and lie lifeless on the ground. Let Caelum's fate be a warning to the other nations of this world that the T'ien Ch'i threat must be contained, lest it spread its shadow over us all.So be it. If you refuse to surrender, your race will be removed. Worry not for your own fate, however - Sky Anvil will serve the divine palace's pond as a duck.
So this and the turn afterwards might put me hard in the danger zone, but will not harm any of you.Aw. I liked being surrounded by a less threatening water nation.
Your horrible, ugly, heretic temples offended us - spreading their lies to our own provinces. They must be silenced. (Although I'll admit that at least your lies don't cause disease.)Oh thanks. Now I'll always think that MA C'tis tells people to kiss their pet reptiles for good luck.
Shinuyama decided the best course of asking for something nicely is sending an army to siege the fort I ad my troops on. I guess we're at war now.It makes it a lot less likely that you'll say 'no' if you don't have any choice in the matter. ;) That Man castle is right on my border - I claim it by divine right and military might.
So how looked down upon is it to attack and take provinces from a nation that is currently at war because you know it will be easy? Because I can see this being a constant occurrence in multiplayer games that will erase skill. 2 people go to war. They lose their armies. People see their armies are gone and attack in turn for easy provinces. Now you have a few big nations that will eventually eat the other smaller ones that were not able to eat the weakened nations. Seems like it would get boring fast.
R'yleh's gem income spiked because they cast a global enchantment.Huh, so they did - I didn't even notice that line in my messages. Still worrisome.
So how looked down upon is it to attack and take provinces from a nation that is currently at war because you know it will be easy? Because I can see this being a constant occurrence in multiplayer games that will erase skill. 2 people go to war. They lose their armies. People see their armies are gone and attack in turn for easy provinces. Now you have a few big nations that will eventually eat the other smaller ones that were not able to eat the weakened nations. Seems like it would get boring fast.
So how looked down upon is it to attack and take provinces from a nation that is currently at war because you know it will be easy? Because I can see this being a constant occurrence in multiplayer games that will erase skill. 2 people go to war. They lose their armies. People see their armies are gone and attack in turn for easy provinces. Now you have a few big nations that will eventually eat the other smaller ones that were not able to eat the weakened nations. Seems like it would get boring fast.
I fully encourage all nations to join me in attacking the largest nation, T'ien Ch'i, S/He Who Bullies Caelum.
It's not bullying. We had no combat for several turns, then they re-started hostilities.
That first attack was before you had two fortresses. I'm on my second now.It's not bullying. We had no combat for several turns, then they re-started hostilities.
Was that before or after you besieged two of Caelum's fortresses?! Caelum rebuilt from previous attacks on our sovereignty and attempted to contain the T'ien Ch'i threat.
T'ien Ch'i's pretender is a carp. No wonder he has his capital so close to the water ; )Well, I did name my pretender Smiling Carp.
Looks like C'tis won? No dent in Nirur Torirs army size-stats however, so it just seems the might of the empire takes a bit to get moving.
chaoticag, you troll.Fridays! I can usually get my turn in earlier, but the new turn came in when I was busy with friends and I tend to be busy until later on Fridays.
This turn was a bit of a rollercoster - Firstoff, successfully overcast a Global - Thanks to all involved. Then instant karma, Carp cast his own global the same turn I did mine - but he did it with more caster level(s). Sigh...No regrets.
Welp, got my turn in, but yeah. 3 day weekend over here, so likely will be late with the next turn as well. These tend to come in around midnight my time for whatever reason, unless they come in the afternoon, but then again I have an odd sleeping schedule.
What are you even doing with all these gems, Mr. Neutral?
Eh, we will see what happens. Big China has time for you again now : P - just waiting for Nirurs turn.You'd think so, but now I need to kill the C'tis pretender (and honor guard.)
See folks, the things that scare are that the past few pages in this thread and in the official Dom4 thread are people talking about all the spells and research that I have no clue about :D Guess I really gotta sit one of these days and look at the entire list of hundreds of spells, huh?
See folks, the things that scare are that the past few pages in this thread and in the official Dom4 thread are people talking about all the spells and research that I have no clue about :D Guess I really gotta sit one of these days and look at the entire list of hundreds of spells, huh?
Uhm. Okay, the mind hunt barrage on my army as soon as I took the astral mages out was good, even if it only hit indie commanders and random lowbie mages.
But.
Assassins to one fort not near the battle fronts is just weird and puts me on guard.
I am curious. Anvilfolk, how did you defeat the T'ien Ch'i attackers?
It was by playing Caelum wrong :vI am curious. Anvilfolk, how did you defeat the T'ien Ch'i attackers?
The armies of T'ien Ch'i are mostly composed of mere men. Caelum's mammoths, in large enough quantities, can squash their armies as so many ants on an anthill. We are aware T'ien Ch'i is already developing a counter strategy, so ours is a losing battle, but we shall bring honour to the Winged. 'tis all we can do.
We are aware T'ien Ch'i is already developing a counter strategy, so ours is a losing battle, but we shall bring honour to the Winged. 'tis all we can do.Good work on that battle, anyway. I now have to fall back because I already had my counter-strategy, but was lazy and didn't want to implement it until joining my armies. I had the (expensive) item I needed for it on one of my communion slaves until then.
I haven't done my turn, but gonna be a little selfish and ask for a 24 hour extension. University bull soured my will and I'm just gonna spend today relaxing.
Shinuyama just suicide bombed his pretender to weaken a sieging army with rain of stones spam, intresting.He was supposed to cast it two or three times - I overestimated how long it'd take the front line to get to him. Still, given that he's immortal, it's not like I lost anything besides a handful of earth gems in the attempt.
Mostly because it worked.
I'm just wondering where Shinuyamas King of the Mountains is going?Not one step away from the rest of the army, with its many other commanders and protective screen of astral mages. I lost far too many gems worth of investment on my mind burned Queen of Air, thanks.
So my understanding is that some of you are using mages as protection. How does that work? Are there counter-spells that you've researched?
Edit: Game over btw. The poll's telling ThtblovesDF that winning by wishing for genocide repeatedly is socially acceptable.
Hope that wasn't too rude of me getting in my turn late after being the last to turn a turn in. Needed some time to rest properly.
is the order they cast spells the same order as they appear in the list of boxes on the strategic map view?yes.
Part of the apology is that I don't want people feeling like I'm dragging a high stress game out longer than it needs to be dragged out. Don't think that's fun mindgames, so I'll at least mention what's up if something unusual is going on. I do appreciate people being understanding at least.Hope that wasn't too rude of me getting in my turn late after being the last to turn a turn in. Needed some time to rest properly.
Nope, not rude! Again, taking care of yourself is the most important thing :D As I am becoming fond of saying, life is a marathon, not a sprint!
Now to turn my learnings towards "how to slaughter Ry'leh."
I think it probably involves bane venom charms everywhere while they wish me dead?
Hmm, no, that wouldn't work. Everyone in my scout training province turned into goo and drained into the sea.
Oh well. I'll just have to send some heavy infantry into the sea. It'll work. I just have to believe hard enough.
Edit: Is someone trying to hit my army with a bane venom charm? It's a little slow.
Anything more is a complete fabrication, and just shows that ThtblovesDF is getting bored sitting on his haunches when he rightly should've won turns ago.
As a useless fluff nation, I'll set myelf these rules and try to roleplay a little by them:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Low Army sizecertainly isn't true - he's had the biggest army in the game for multiple turns now.
Wowsers. Curious as to how that works. I too want a single unit to devastate armies!Llamaserver should handle things fine. I also think this update didn't change any game data we're using so it should be fine regardless.
Also, the game was updated from 4.26 to 4.27. What happens now with Llamaserver?
Black Servant is a 5 death Gem (death 2 to cast) dude that can carry charms just fine.
... and the spells in his list are ignored...I thought that was standard for assassinations.
How DOES one deal with Mountain Kings? I mean, damn, they are rampaging in my lands and there's nothing I can seem to do.Assuming that they're wearing the same kit that I gave them (don't know if the AI fools around with that any), you'll want to avoid fighting them hand-to-hand with anything not using armor piercing weapons - they're both very heavily armored. They naturally regenerate, so you need to output a lot of damage in a short amount of time.
As a useless fluff nation
I spent 50 turns maxing out all research trees besides Blood Magic and never attacked anyone first - how is that not along the guidelines (that I want to"try to roleplay a little", not follow to a flaw)? Any of you could have hired 15 Mind Hunts on a Astral mage to rob me of 30 turns of capital mage-production, if you cared. You have big astral mages, but apperently you don't talk to each other to put together a disspell attempt (?)
You can complain, but if you never got attacked by troops and never tried anything to slow/harm/disspell anything that bothers you, well, it reads as silly.
Again, as a non-competetive force, I'd be like a slightly more dangerous indi force you can hire to mind hunt your enemys.
T'ichi could have claimed all thrones (using that lvl 7 astral pretender to cast astral travel would've been fast) and all I could do is try to ritual him down somehow (Really hard on MR 18+).I was W9S4. No idea where you got S7 from, since I never got past 6 with items.
You have big astral mages, but apperently you don't talk to each other to put together a disspell attempt (?)I made an attempt to unite the land powers after your wishes, but Shinuyama was still fighting with Eiru, and C'tis with me. It's pretty dumb to drop a winning war to fight someone who's said that they're "a non-competitive force."
Yeah, a disciples game should be fun, and a way to wash that salt off this game scattered on us all. I don't think it even feels much of a victory for R'lyeh. For a disciples game I would prolly go along with Nurir and either C'tis or Micro, heh.Sounds good to me.
Still, this is not the worst game I'd been in. The worst game had me swear off dom4 for a year.
Speaking of caelum, uh, sorry XD
You have big astral mages, but apperently you don't talk to each other to put together a disspell attempt (?)
I made an attempt to unite the land powers after your wishes, but Shinuyama was still fighting with Eiru, and C'tis with me. It's pretty dumb to drop a winning war to fight someone who's said that they're "a non-competitive force."We(Edit: Most of us) pretty much gave up after you swarmed Shinuyama.
This was a fun game- I did the best I've ever done in Dom4, and I got to cast a late game spell. Sure, everyone had quit the turn I cast it, and there was no way I was going to win, but it was still neat to see it do stuff.
It was Eriu who plagued you. Not me, honest!Yeah, I admitted it as much, heh.