With the 1400 cut-off I'd guess it's mostly choice of clothes.
With the 1400 cut-off I'd guess it's mostly choice of clothes.True. But moon snail people didn't exist in medieval Europe so there are gender issues (the pronoun issue Tarn mentioned in his tweet for example) to consider even without looking at what "real" humans/dwarves were doing back then.
With Dwarf Therapist it's pretty easy to see who in your fort is gay, straight, bi or asexual. Orientation applies to animals too.This is just male skirts and male dresses. All clothes exist as male version, except bust-halter.With the 1400 cut-off I'd guess it's mostly choice of clothes.
Right now it doesn't seem that clothes are gendered in DF either, it anyone will wear dresses or skirts if they are around. I would guess it would only affect romantic relationships- unless there is some polymorphism magic in the world then I suppose anyone can appear how they want to.
This is just male skirts and male dresses. All clothes exist as male version, except bust-halter.
He means, "skirt" is an item worn by men in pre-1400 times (who weren't trying to dress like women), as is "dress".This is just male skirts and male dresses. All clothes exist as male version, except bust-halter.
Where did you hear that? I can't find any mention of male or female clothing on wiki and I've never even seen a 'bust-halter'. Googling "Dwarf fortress bust halter" brings up no results.
He means, "skirt" is an item worn by men in pre-1400 times (who weren't trying to dress like women), as is "dress".
I think the DF way would be to randomly decide for each culture in game which clothes are considered appropriate for men / women / children. Which are formal / informal and so on.
I think the DF way would be to randomly decide for each culture in game which clothes are considered appropriate for men / women / children. Which are formal / informal and so on.
Semi-randomly, to avoid folks wearing only loincloths and freezing to death.
I think the DF way would be to randomly decide for each culture in game which clothes are considered appropriate for men / women / children. Which are formal / informal and so on.
Semi-randomly, to avoid folks wearing only loincloths and freezing to death.
Dear Toady/Dwarf fortress community,
Hi ya! How ya doing? I have been playing DF and loving it. I have loved this community for a long time but have finally gotten into playing Fortress mode! But as I bisexual man I just wanted to now if Lgbtqia+ releationships would ever be added to the game? I would really liked to be able to have some gay dwarfs and some trans or non binary dwarfs if you could? I jsut really love this game and to me adding that would add some much to the relationship meqanic! Please consider it!
Sincerely,
Causale Fantasy Writing
I can feel a storm coming on.I remember the 'storm' from the whole partner-preference addition. Storm in a teacup, albeit a notable tempest at the time, and I presume all those who significantly cared (in a negative way) just went away or shut up about it.
(to satisfy the marginalised Luxuries/Gold/Barter/Taxation/Investment/Arbitrage/+ community) as a higher priority.
It wouldn't be too anachronistic to include, not just because of magic and snail people and such, but, there are some known examples of people from... basically all points of history, that nowdays are generally considered trans (there is some murkyness regarding applying modern terms to ancient people, but, comparable and as close as can be found looking through a historical lens, like St. Marinos and such.)Pretty much all the historical examples can only be made to fit modern moulds by intentional misunderstanding of the context. For example, Marina, if she even existed at all (which is highly doubtful, as essentially all saints of the time period are likely to be works of historical fiction), is said to have lived as a monk, an office only available to men, because of her great piety; unless we had reason to believe she desired to be a man, instead of merely dressing as one as a means to an end, she's no more transsexual than Mulan. Making any such comparisons across history is patently absurd: the past is a foreign country; they do things differently there, and you can't trust the water.
im trans but considering that transness is a pretty recent thing all things considered i would rather just make the very concept of gender procedurally generated, with a general trend towards binary cultures but differing in where they draw the line, just like it is in real cultures. i saw a pretty great paper about this but i forgot the name
im trans but considering that transness is a pretty recent thing all things considered i would rather just make the very concept of gender procedurally generated, with a general trend towards binary cultures but differing in where they draw the line, just like it is in real cultures. i saw a pretty great paper about this but i forgot the nameooh yea
Yeah, I kinda feel that if there's gonna be gender there ought to be gender, i.e. a set of societal norms that tends to be but is not necessarily correlated with sex, involving differing expectations of decorum, clothing and so on.
I would not mind it if dwarves didn't have a concept of gender at all, if only because that's actually a rather common feature in dwarves in fantasy. Plus, I kinda find the idea of only finding "girl dwarves" or "boy dwarves" as opposed to just "dwarves" in human civilization kinda neat.
Do you not believe that men live contrary to Nature who exchange the fashion of their attire with women?haha no
-Seneca, yesterday probably
No. Dwarf Fortress is based on medieval times, which happened WAY before gender became confusing.gender has always manifested itself in different ways though, especially back then. gender changes
Do you not believe that men live contrary to Nature who exchange the fashion of their attire with women?
-Seneca, yesterday probably
It doesn't come up much, and the only reason I can think of dwarves or other races would want gender specific clothing for is bras for women, and that aspect of life is glossed over/ignored right now, one can just assume women in DF have things sorted out already.
From what I can tell, it looks like bras come in after the 1400 cut-off. I think corsets might too.
Women throughout history have used a variety of garments and devices to support, cover, restrain, reveal, or modify the appearance of their breasts. Bra- or bikini-like garments are depicted in art of female athletes of the Minoan civilization, ca. 14th century BC[1] and there is some evidence to suggest that even from the Greco-Roman period women had developed specialized bra-like garments used for the purpose of supporting the breast. By the 14th century AD the proto-bra was in development in Europe and from approximately the 16th century AD onward, the undergarments of wealthier women in the Western world were dominated by the corset, which supported the breasts by transferring their weight to the rib cage[citation needed].
...their dwarven civ's norms say women aren't allowed to craft/work/haul/fight...Or must.
This thread is just going to go on forever, will it?Any reason why it shouldn't?
Toady's already remarked on gender roles, historical trends in discrimination and how much he wants to reflect that in the game, pronouns and of course already added gay dwarves years before anyone thought it was a necessity. Why should fans not be allowed to talk about this?If anything, that seems like a reason why they *shouldn't*. What's the point of talking about it at the point when everything has been covered?
Best shut down the Suggestions forum then, Toady already has plans for the next 30 years and doesn't need any input at all. Oh, wait, that isn't true...Toady's already remarked on gender roles, historical trends in discrimination and how much he wants to reflect that in the game, pronouns and of course already added gay dwarves years before anyone thought it was a necessity. Why should fans not be allowed to talk about this?If anything, that seems like a reason why they *shouldn't*. What's the point of talking about it at the point when everything has been covered?
Well I personal feel like we should have the thread open just as space for Lgbtqia+ discussion when it comes to Df. It always good to have Queer spaces in any Community.
I almost made a suggestion that could've justified a ban.Then why are you posting about it?
Im scared and I need my mommyI almost made a suggestion that could've justified a ban.Then why are you posting about it?
FTM dwarves need a beard to be happy and will wear proesthetic beards, which have to be made out of wool thread by a clothier.
Homosexual marriage is not blocked. Hell, a couple can be homosexually married because they don't want children while being in a heterosexual affair. It is exeedingly rare but it happens in game. Marriage is the only way to have children currently, but as far as I know it is temporary and out of wedlock kids are part of the plans.
I have an idea for implementation of dwarf transgenderism that might be stupid. Applies to the current situation where beards are specific to males.
MTF dwarves need to have no beard to be happy and automatically shave.
FTM dwarves need a beard to be happy and will wear proesthetic beards, which have to be made out of wool thread by a clothier.