Bay 12 Games Forum
Finally... => General Discussion => Topic started by: Caz on March 26, 2021, 08:22:07 pm
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Is there one? Or should I make another? For memes etc.
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I'm gonna be honest here, and I think I'm probably a minority, but I don't want a bay12 discord.
I feel like discord groups and forums are a little too similar and I worry that people will basically just migrate to the discord and leave the forum in the dust.
Anyone wanna share their thoughts? I see people make discord groups all the time and this Luddite wants to know, why?
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There's a lot of Bay12 discords, but no single one for everything. I'm in a bunch of them, if you want invites.
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you've got a perfectly good forum right here
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I for one see no point in Discord when we have this forum. What does Discord even have that this forum doesn't?
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Real-time posting without having to refresh the page.
I also imagine the Great Disorder doesn’t exist on it.
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I for one see no point in Discord when we have this forum. What does Discord even have that this forum doesn't?
Real-time posting without having to refresh the page.
I also imagine the Great Disorder doesn’t exist on it.
Exactly, and it doesn't have a bunch of things that forums have.
From my understanding, it's a glorified chat program that takes screenshots of your screen and sells your info to the Chinese while lacking basic organizational features inherent to forums.
Regardless, i have so little interest in discord that i wouldn't use it even if i was paid to.
I'm gonna be honest here, and I think I'm probably a minority, but I don't want a bay12 discord.
Nah, as per There's a lot of Bay12 discords, but no single one for everything. I'm in a bunch of them, if you want invites.
I think anyone that actually likes it has already fucked off to Discord.
I just wish those people wouldn't expose the forum to their Chinese spyware too by posting images from Discord.
Privacy Badger by default blocks Discord's CDN for good reason. (It's a Chrome add-on, check it out. Also, i use Iridium, not Google Chrome.)
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I note once again that I've never seen compelling evidence of Discord selling data, to the Chinese or otherwise, and if such evidence exists it would be basis for a strong lawsuit against Discord as they explicitly declare your data as not sold.
Inexplicably extreme hate for Discord aside, in the absence of an official Discord there are so many splinters it's just kind of a hassle. I use it a lot, just not for B12.
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(It's a Chrome add-on, check it out. Also, i use Iridium, not Google Chrome.)
ew, why not firefox :L
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As I understand it, Discord's been working at a loss in order to build the userbase to sell off to someone else, per the clamor and crisis when headlines declared Microsoft was considering purchasing them (in reality, they were just one of several companies that expressed interest on the basis that Discord has value, as I recall).
As the suspicion goes, though, if a product is free, you are the product, yes? I wonder if Discord could cut that line from their terms and conditions and then retroactively sell off all the data they've harvested from users.
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More on topic, there's a finite amount of community available at any given time and an exodus with Discord may disrupt the gentle coze that B12's been riding for years. Can't stop/won't stop/shouldn't stop the splinters of community that embark on their own, of course.
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Chats make me feel lonely
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Chats make me feel lonely
what doesnt?
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I mean true I'm just terribly lonely :(
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I mean true I'm just terribly lonely :(
talk to me :L i have many words
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I have many words too but I live in a cage of fear
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Take it to PMs then. It’s easier to have a private conversation there. There’s also less people who can potentially judge you.
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I do think if Toady wants to maintain the forums long term that he should establish a minor donation fund to cover the costs.
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He already has one. The development of Dwarf fortress and likewise the forums has always been funded by donations.
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He already has one. The development of Dwarf fortress and likewise the forums has always been funded by donations.
Yes, but the forums have always taken a backseat, for understandable reasons.
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Ah, you mean something like a Go fund me where he can raise money to pay someone to fix the Great Disorder. An emergency fund for necessary repairs and updates. I'd donate to that.
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I hang out on a Bay12 Discord. I hang out here. Each offers something the other doesn't.
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I kinda like the Great Disorder.
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'Cause it's more difficult to find your posts?
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'Cause it's more difficult to find your posts?
you guys search for posts?
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It's cosy
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'Cause it's more difficult to find your posts?
you guys search for posts?
<_< ...nooo?
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I'm really not a fan of most forum side communities. My experience with them is that they either become an aggressive circlejerk, blaming the forum for ills that only they can perceive, or they become a glacial speed friend group of people you barely know, and who you'll always be on the outside of.
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Is there one? Or should I make another? For memes etc.
There's a link for the Kitfox discord on the main page of the wiki. It has an active DF category with several channels.
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I'm really not a fan of most forum side communities. My experience with them is that they either become an aggressive circlejerk, blaming the forum for ills that only they can perceive, or they become a glacial speed friend group of people you barely know, and who you'll always be on the outside of.
This is really oddly specific.
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It's pretty common on bay12 metacommunities. They tend to attract people who are no longer on the forums, feel like the forums are awful, and/or have been banned from the forums.
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I'm on the Forum Games server, it's the biggest one that isn't Kitfox. It's pinned in the FG&RP board I think. It's also a general Bay12 thing, not just FGs. I use it as that ever since I torched my shitty forum games.
I like it but it's no replacement for Bay12. Just like the forum isn't strictly better than it.
Never saw any evidence for Discord selling data, surely something would have leaked by now. Strik3r is being paranoid.
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This is the only forum I use nowadays, I have all but abandoned them for Discord (also Telegram). But this one is special to me. I like the community here, enough to justify an outdated format. However I've been taking a liking to MafiaScum (a Mafia forum). So guess that makes two forums I use.
Dunno what Strik3r is on about.
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It's pretty common on bay12 metacommunities. They tend to attract people who are no longer on the forums, feel like the forums are awful, and/or have been banned from the forums.
I'm not specifically talking about the many drama filled Bay12 IRCs over the years. I just mean in general. Regardless of the website, this seems to be common fate of side communities. In fact, I can't remember a single one that didn't turn out like this.
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It's pretty common on bay12 metacommunities. They tend to attract people who are no longer on the forums, feel like the forums are awful, and/or have been banned from the forums.
I'm not specifically talking about the many drama filled Bay12 IRCs over the years. I just mean in general. Regardless of the website, this seems to be common fate of side communities. In fact, I can't remember a single one that didn't turn out like this.
Am also on the FGRP server, it's not bad at all. Used to have SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY problems but Iridium stopped doing that. Definitely a different feel.
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I don't see the harm in there being Discords, as Discord is a good casual medium for chatting, but for more considered stuff you want a forum where you can take your time with a post, do some basic formatting etc. You can see this in how the Fire Emblem on Forums discord has never to my knowledge attempted to run Fire Emblems on Discord...
However I've been taking a liking to MafiaScum (a Mafia forum).
Maybe it's changed, but the culture on mafiascum when I last there was just unnecessarily aggro. I've always preferred playing mafia here (you should join us!).
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The mafia culture here isn’t any better :p
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It's pretty common on bay12 metacommunities. They tend to attract people who are no longer on the forums, feel like the forums are awful, and/or have been banned from the forums.
:( but... the forums are so nice...
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The mafia culture here isn’t any better :p
I disagree. We also have had a few mean-spirited players (a few come easily to mind) but you can have a reasonable conversation in the banter or theory threads here, whereas when I tried the same on mafiascum, I'd just get a bunch of people calling me an idiot for not doing things in their prescribed way.
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Also play on MS, in my experience it's decent. I regularly post in the role idea threads, basically no toxicity. Maybe it was a few years ago.
My theory is that the general fading of forums made all the annoying kids leave to greener pastures while the mature people stayed.
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That's good to hear and you may be right. Also people get older! And at least some of the people that stick around are gonna become more mature (as happened with GreatOrder, mentioned before).
The other thing I like about mafia on Bay12 is it seems like it shares a lot of the creativity of the games sub forum-- there's a lot of wild experiments, mixed mechanics, creative role design etc. You get that to an extent elsewhere, but I feel like in being small we avoid a lot of the tried-and-tested set ups and try novel stuff more often.
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I used to be a cringelord here but I matured.
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The other thing I like about mafia on Bay12 is it seems like it shares a lot of the creativity of the games sub forum-- there's a lot of wild experiments, mixed mechanics, creative role design etc. You get that to an extent elsewhere, but I feel like in being small we avoid a lot of the tried-and-tested set ups and try novel stuff more often.
Totally agree, the last several games around here have been amazing lore-wise.
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I joined this forum for because of the forum games and now it's my only non-family socializing thing.
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I've pretty much migrated to discord entirely. I do check here every now and again, but time wore the community into a shape I don't recognize as much now. The closest friends I have on here I talk to on there.
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build the userbase to sell off to someone else
takes screenshots of your screen and sells your info to the Chinese
Do you two have any sources for those accusations?
As the suspicion goes, though, if a product is free, you are the product, yes?
Correct. Discord is not a free product, it has a profit model based on a premium membership.
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Correct. Discord is not a free product, it has a profit model based on a premium membership.
From what I've heard, Nitro isn't profitable, but that may have changed since the last time I checked. I mean Discord has grown massively since it first started. So many youtube channels have an official one. If they locked the ability to host large servers to only nitro users, then they probably would be profitable.
EDIT: On second thought, I shouldn't be playing armchair businessman. I do think there should be some way to leverage discord's popularity though. I think there's promise in copying WinRar's strategy. The software is free for the average consumer leading to mass adoption, but the version used by server hosts or at least hosts of large servers should require payment, which they will be motivated to provide since Discord is what their userbase is comfortable with.
Alternatively, there simply may not be any real demand for a Discord like service. People might only be using it because it's free and if they have to give a single cent for it, then it would be abandoned.
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build the userbase to sell off to someone else
takes screenshots of your screen and sells your info to the Chinese
Do you two have any sources for those accusations?
Nothing but hearsay and a little speculation from some numbers pulled here (https://www.businessofapps.com/data/discord-statistics/), since it's taken some 480 million dollarinos in venture capital and only just pulled in a nitro revenue of 130 million, to say nothing of server hosting fees, R&D, salaries, the failed merch store/game sales platform, or data storage. Worth noting the company doubled in value last year, prolly thanks to covid.
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Could be another WeWork.
At least the Discord guys know how to make good software, even if they don't know how to monetize it.
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For what it's worth, I moderate the Kitfox discord and we try to keep the place friendly.
https://discord.gg/kitfoxgames
It's the closest thing there is to an official bay12 discord at the moment, though it's by no means the largest.
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If people are worried about it, judging by their privacy policy they are not selling any data.
"Well, yes, but how do we know they are sticking with it"
Well, we don't, but unlike 10 years ago California and the EU have some really strict laws on gathering information from their residents and citizens. And if they do try to collect said data off of people that aren't using their service through um "embedding photos hosted on their CDN" on these forums that opens them up to class action lawsuits that they are trying to avoid since it affects users that haven't signed their agreements.
So I would not be worried about the forums being hit with spyware, anyone can just uh, scrape all the info from them if they really wanted, it's all public. And I am banking on them not selling data in that it would be phenomenally bad for them the way they are going about it.