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Finally... => General Discussion => Topic started by: Scoops Novel on April 29, 2021, 03:16:27 pm
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We are projected to be vulnerable to easily manufactured bio-weapons within 20 years. Consider that the human genome project cost 100 million dollars and the efforts of the entire field to sequence a single human genome. You can now have your personal genome read for 300 dollars. That's the level of advancement we're expecting in gene editing.
Now there are strong defenses. But consider that offence is fundamentally easier then defence - as It only takes one. And with it comes the collapse of our civilization.
We have one win condition: AI.
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An interesting analysis to be sure, but I believe you've overlooked one key consideration:
Chakras.
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Ever hear about Skynet? 8)
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Don't computers get viruses too...
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I have a ritual I call "the terminator". First I crouch down in the shower in the classic "naked terminator" pose. With my eyes closed I crouch there for a minute, visualizing Arnold or the guy from the second movie and I start to hum the terminator theme. Then I rise up and open my eyes wide open. It helps to proceed through my day as an emotionless, cyborg badass. But theres one huge problem. If the shower curtain sticks to my terminator leg it ruins my fantasy.
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An interesting analysis to be sure, but I believe you've overlooked one key consideration:
Chakras.
Goddamnit. I literally outlined a way to test it in one minute and did any of you bother?
Having said that, let's keep this as a sidetrack and not a maintrack.
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I'm concerned about the AI's ability to appeal to women :V what is the most badass way that it can pass the Turing test for maximum feminine appeal
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I'm concerned about the AI's ability to appeal to women :V what is the most badass way that it can pass the Turing test for maximum feminine appeal
Michael B Jordan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxNxqveseyI)
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I'm concerned about the AI's ability to appeal to women :V
I mean dating apps already succeed in making most men look terrible.
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I'm concerned about the AI's ability to appeal to women :V
I mean dating apps already succeed in making most men look terrible.
Wow LOL
hopefully you guys know I'm riffing off of another Novel Scoops thread from Creative Projects.
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I have a ritual I call "the terminator". First I crouch down in the shower in the classic "naked terminator" pose. With my eyes closed I crouch there for a minute, visualizing Arnold or the guy from the second movie and I start to hum the terminator theme. Then I rise up and open my eyes wide open. It helps to proceed through my day as an emotionless, cyborg badass. But theres one huge problem. If the shower curtain sticks to my terminator leg it ruins my fantasy.
DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN
DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN
DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN
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Your AI would need to be prescient and possibly omnipotent, and at that point, the only thing stopping the AI from being It would need to be a virus, maybe? It'd probably be easier to just drop a nuke or peddle fentanyl if you didn't like a nation, anyways.
I mean dating apps already succeed in making most men look terrible.
Yeah nah that's most men making most men look terrible. It's not likely to stop being a numbers game for dudes, but that's really the crux of the issue there. There's a whole spat to go through about whether your value as a dating candidate is worth as much as the thirsty dudes that bought premium benefits for more visibility or not, or if the glut of thirsty dudes results in a choosiness that hurts the average, but this hardly seems the place.
Vec, as long as it's inhabiting a scuba suit, it should have no issues, right? ...Now I'm imagining some AI possessing a scuba dummy to walk around city streets while being woefully unsuccessful at blending in with people. Maybe you could put the WiFi antenna in the snorkel?
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Your AI would need to be prescient and possibly omnipotent, and at that point, the only thing stopping the AI from being It would need to be a virus, maybe? It'd probably be easier to just drop a nuke or peddle fentanyl if you didn't like a nation, anyways.
This is a bit lazy. We already have CRISPR: the tech is undeniably getting more and more accessible.
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A) not sure how this relates to covid, and B), how does AI help with increased access to custom made biotech? Does every gene printer extrapolate the results of what it's making using AI? Do citizens take daily blood tests, and the microbes in the blood are tested for harmfullness - by AI? Does the AI print the vaccines or phages or what have you?
I have a better solution: Ludditism. Can't print the bubonic plague if we burn down the labs. Who's with me?
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Looking forward to the days when hazmat suits are expected
outside everywhere wear. Just imagine the fashion possibilities!
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It relates to Covid because it throws it into sharp relief. This won't be the last pandemic, and when the dust settles and that sinks in you have to consider this as well.
You need a AI which can create on-the-fly vaccines for whatever weird virus you can throw at it. And that AI has to be pretty intelligent; because depending on the virus it may have to build up a new knowledge base independent of the bulk of our research.
IMO you're brushing the singularity.
Ludditism doesn't work. Can't scrub the tech or the people. Even if you slow it down, we already have the tech to make this possible.
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Wouldn't the AI be as easy to use for evil/the eradication of humanity then? Or is that the point, that an AI-powered arms race of viruses must have AIs working on defensive measures as well? If we take the singularity into consideration, then why does the singulary-AI only take vaccines into consideration? I mentioned hazmat suits as a joke, a poorly done joke as I'm not 100% sure hazmat suits really are the way to avoid viruses, but the most fool-proof method of avoiding viruses will always be to avoid human contact. A singularity-(or close to singularity)AI could surely come up with methods of supplying each human with their own virus-proof suit, if it has the capabilities of providing them with a vaccine.
Unless you consider AI-made viruses being equipped with little drills or something, and purposefully homing in on humans, in which case I'm sure we're pretty f-ed either way.
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I don't know if a (limited) AI creating viruses is a meaningful threat for one creating vaccines, because so long as you can cut it off early, the problems containable.
If it is, we need singularity tech. Really regardless, if we're approaching that to create something capable enough, as a society we need to come to terms with that. That's why i created this thread, to explore what that means.
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Your AI would need to be prescient and possibly omnipotent, and at that point, the only thing stopping the AI from being It would need to be a virus, maybe? It'd probably be easier to just drop a nuke or peddle fentanyl if you didn't like a nation, anyways.
This is a bit lazy. We already have CRISPR: the tech is undeniably getting more and more accessible.
Of course it's lazy- why work harder for some maladapted theory of future warfare and viral bioweapons when literally anything is easier? With a little luck, we're not likely to see bloodshed on a warfare scale among superpowers again, and with a little more hope, we'll see less usage of other nations as pawns in proxy wars. You can make a nation suffer with tariffs and cyberweapons without bloodshed or declaration of violence- we're seeing this already.
Seems you agree anyways, since prescient/omnipotent AI would effectively be 'singularity tech,' or that you're trying to steer an agreement towards it to appeal to your concerns. You're communicating in vagueness about how we need to come to terms with how sharp relief is thrown about what we have to consider about the implications, because Covid/Pandemic/AI. Yes, pandemics are bad. Yes, Covid has helped us understand a lot about pandemics. No, AI is not going to magically fix our shortcomings in pandemics or outright stop the next bug. We don't even have the computational power to simulate folding proteins in a scalable way, that's literally crowdsourced to the public. No, quantum computation isn't going to spontaneously fix this, either.
Call me a luddite if you'd like, but it's my opinion you're jumping at shadows to steer conversation towards a specific conclusion of yours.
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I have a better solution: Ludditism. Can't print the bubonic plague if we burn down the labs. Who's with me?
You wouldn't download a car ... don't download the bubonic plague!!
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We totally would download a car, though. Thanks to 3d printers, if folks haven't already done it, it's only a matter of time before someone does. That day will be a good day, probably.
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This may help. (https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL3dha2luZ3VwLmxpYnN5bi5jb20vcnNz/episode/NTE4MDgzNDYtZjUyMy00MDA4LWI3YmQtODUyNjdmMWYxNjRm)
This is what inspired this whole line of thought. The problem is it's not state actors we need to worry about. It's getting to the point where anyone with some knowledge in the field can crank it out.
Yes, current AI can't fix this. That's why i'm saying we have to have next-level AI.
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Sam Harris, that's the guy who argues in favor of preemptive nuclear strikes.
alternative response: oh :(
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Weirder still, he argues about the impending threat about AI, if the wikipedia article is anything to go by. Some about-face, huh?
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You can't even have Coronavirus without AI.
"Coronvrus"... See!
(Hmm... "Von Cursor" "US Corn or V!" "Run ov Orcs" "Scour on RV" "Novo-currs" "Vous R cron" "Rusr NovoC'" I think that makes it pretty obvious.)
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We may download plans for a car, but if we have transporter technology and can actually download the two tons of complex raw materials, then we don't need cars in the first place.
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Weirder still, he argues about the impending threat about AI, if the wikipedia article is anything to go by. Some about-face, huh?
This AI take is all me.