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Title: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 07, 2022, 02:36:22 pm

Haspen's Warring States (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179188) is back!

Changes from 4: Legalist staring rice is lowered to 13. Mohist defense bonus is back to 3.

Spoiler: Rules (click to show/hide)

INTRODUCTION:

The Empire of Zhou is no more, and the region is heavily decentralized.

A Player picks a State, a Color (Red, Gold, Green, Cyan, Orange, Silver, Purple, White, Teal, Lavender), a Philosophy (Legalist, Taoist, Confucian, Mohist) and from there, they must take control of neighboring lands and declare their own Kingdom.

Only then can they start a campaign to reunite the lands of Han, and start a new dynasty of Emperors!

If any Player gets eliminated, another can take their color, pick an independent State, and try their hand in the fight for the throne.

If a Player joins later in the game, their State's Rice is increased by 2 per Turn (for example, if they join at Turn 6, they start with 10+(2x6) = 22 Rice total)

TURN ORDER:

The turns of all Players are SIMULTANEOUS. Orders can be sent through Personal Messages to the GM (a1s), or if you're not caring about what people see, in the game thread itself.

For your orders to be valid, they must be bolded using the forum bbcode.

A simple example of a Player's turn:

5 Rice for Defense of Chen.
5 Rice for Investing of Chen.
10 Rice for Conquest of Sui.

You cannot edit your orders once you've send the post! Think twice before posting!!

If a player doesn't send in orders within 72 hours of a turn starting, their whole rice budget will be spent equally on defense of all their states (like an NPC.)

STATES, KINGDOMS, AND THE EMPIRE:

The map is divided into 63 States, each with its own name. A Player starts with one State. Note that said State can be located in a KINGDOM-type State (underlined). The only off-limits state at start is Zhou, seat of the weak and puny descendants of former Emperors.

Each Player starts with 10 Rice, which is used to support their forces when conquering and defending, and can be used to invest into states so that they generate more Rice.

To create a Kingdom, one must control a KINGDOM-type State (underlined, ZHOU also counts) plus minimum of 4 States adjacent to it. All of the KINGDOM-states have more than 4 States adjacent to them, allowing for some wiggling room when it comes for planning your diplomacy and conquests.

There's special Rice bonus for being a Kingdom: a non-State dependent +5 to your Rice count, and this bonus persists until end of the game (or your early demise).

Once you create a Kingdom, you're viable for creation of a new Empire. The process is more time- and rice-consuming than making a mere Kingdom.

IMPERIAL VICTORY:

First, you need to conquer the independent State of Zhou, where the imperial palace is located.
Second, you must control at least 4 KINGDOM-type States: QI, JIN, SONG, WU, CHU, SHU or QIN.
Third, your dominion must be continuous; any gaps between your provinces (whether due to rebels, or other Players' conquest) must be filled up with your glorious state color!

HEGEMONIC VICTORY:

Sometimes 2 or more States are simply too strong to find a 'true' ruler of the Han. To resolve the game without making it an endless string of Turns, the game is stopped after End of Turn 15.

After it, the Rice is counted up for all Players who have reached Kingdom level; Player with highest Rice owned is declared the winner, without taking Imperial Victory requirements into consideration.

INDEPENDENT STATES:

Non-Player States will always dedicate themselves to defense of their borders, meaning that 10 Rice will always be spent on Defense. Zhou, being the capital of former Empire, is much more developed, and has 15 Rice to spend on defense.

The independent States will never use Rice for Conquests, nor they will Invest Rice to improve their economy. Fools, all of them!

RICE AND INVESTMENTS:

Rice is used twofold; to supply soldiers fighting abroad or defending the states, or to improve the economy of the state.

If you do not dedicate any Rice to defense of a province, any opportunistic Player can simply walk their well-fed soldiers into it and automatically take control of the state!
The more Rice you dedicate for defense, the greater chances of repelling the enemy. Same with conquering your neighbours; the more Rice you set aside for the conquest, the greater chances of success.

You can also Invest your Rice in a State that you control. Each State at start lets you use 10 Rice per Turn.
For each 5 Rice Invested into a State, the State will provide you with 1 extra Rice, starting from next Turn.

Example: You have 90 Rice, and your home State, Lai, provides you with 15 Rice. If you invest half of your Rice, 45, into Lai, this will raise Lai's Rice output to 24 (15 + [45/5=9] = 24).

The maximum amount of Rice a Province can reach is 40.

CONQUESTS, DEFENSE, DEVASTATION, AND THE DIE OF WAR:

Once you decide to conquer some of your neighbours, you must know that each combat is resolved using a d10 die. You can only Conquer States adjacent to the ones you control.

Combat formula is simple: d10 + Rice = your number. If you roll higher than the opponents' defending force, you win and the State is yours!

Example: You decide to conquer State of Zhuang, and dedicate 19 Rice to the task. State of Zhuang can afford to dedicate only 12 Rice for defense of its borders. You roll is 4, their roll is 6. 19+4 = 23, 12+6 = 18. State of Zhang loses the fight and its lands are now yours!

If a State is attacked by more than 1 Player at once, the Rice spent on Defense is spread as equally as possible with any leftover spent against the Player with highest amount of Rice dedicated to the conquest.
If a State is defeated by more than 1 Player at once, the control of the State falls into the hands of the Player that dedicated more Rice into the State's Conquest. If Players invest same amount of Rice, then a coin toss will determine the new owner of the State.

Once a State is conquered, inevitably there will be looting, pillaging and destruction at hands of victorious soldiers. The Rice output of the State is thus HALVED, and the new owner of the pillaged land will need to re-invest into it. This can lead to Devastation:

Devastated States are those States that have 0 Rice output; it is not possible to launch attacks from Devastated States, and one must first Invest in them to be able to launch attacks from it in the next Turn.

SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT:

When creating your State, you must decide which School of Thought you follow; all 4 bestow certain benefits on you.

Legalist: Extra 3 Rice in starting State; Kingdom bonus raised to +10, +5 Rice extra from each KINGDOM-state controlled after 1st.
Taoist: Pillaging will lower Rice of a conquered Province by 1 Rice less (to minimum of 0 Rice pillaged).
Confucian: Investing requires 4 Rice instead of 5.
Mohist: Bonus +3 Rice when Defending (still requires at least 1 Rice to Defend).

You cannot change your School at any point of the game, so choose carefully!

Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)

(https://i.imgur.com/mMTLtSQ.png)

Warlordlist:

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack
• Confucian Song, Iris
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic

Title: Re: Warring States 5: Under new management
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 07, 2022, 02:38:35 pm

Taoist Jin, white.

Title: Re: Warring States 5: Under new management
Post by: EuchreJack on February 08, 2022, 09:33:38 am

Good and virtuous Confucian Shu, in Royal Blue.

Title: Re: Warring States 5: Under new management
Post by: Iris on February 08, 2022, 09:40:59 am

Confucian Song, in Gold.

Title: Re: Warring States (3/10)
Post by: a1s on February 09, 2022, 02:51:30 pm

I would like to get a few more players, but in theory I can run this with 3. (plus people can join on later turns)

Title: Re: Warring States (3/10)
Post by: TricMagic on February 09, 2022, 08:32:53 pm

Wu, Red Mohist

Title: Re: Warring States (3/10)
Post by: EuchreJack on February 09, 2022, 08:38:07 pm

I can certainly wait.  I'm becoming a bit overcommitted.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10)
Post by: a1s on February 11, 2022, 10:57:53 am

OK, let's start.

TURN 1

The wheel turns once again and the once strong empire of Zhou crumbles into disparate warring states. Who shall unite the country once more? Only time will tell.
(https://i.imgur.com/FnrnWho.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin : Jin (10)=10
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (10)=10
• Confucian Song, Iris : Song (10)=10
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic : Wu (10)=10

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, Iris, TricMagic

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 11, 2022, 11:05:23 am

Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Invest 8 rice

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 13, 2022, 08:55:30 am

10 Rice to conquer Ying

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 13, 2022, 03:25:54 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 13, 2022, 08:55:30 am

10 Rice to conquer Yi

You don't border Yi, did you mean Ying?

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 13, 2022, 06:19:34 pm

Quote from: a1s on February 13, 2022, 03:25:54 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 13, 2022, 08:55:30 am

10 Rice to conquer Ying

You don't border Yi, did you mean Ying?

yep.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 15, 2022, 04:05:46 am

Confucian State of Qi
Invest all rice in Qi

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 15, 2022, 05:52:52 pm

I don't think Iris is coming back.  :-\ Let's wait until tomorrow though.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 15, 2022, 05:56:02 pm

Only one way to find out...

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Iris on February 15, 2022, 05:56:14 pm

Nope, I'm just distracted.

Invest 8 rice in Song. Dedicate two rice to conquering Zheng.

Maximum Spin, would you agree on a non-aggression pact for the time being? I think it would be much easier for us to not have to worry about the other.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 15, 2022, 06:17:18 pm

@Tric: Not to be left out, maybe we should enter into a mutual aggression pact versus the old dynasty Zhou?

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 2
Post by: a1s on February 15, 2022, 06:30:28 pm

TURN 2

Taoist state of Jin & Confucian state of Song
Jin and Song both attempt to conquer Zheng: 10+2 Vs (5)+3 = 12<8 & 2+4 Vs (5)+2 = 6<7
Jin succeeds where Song failed.
Zheng is pillaged for 4.

Confucian state of Shu
Shu invests 8 in Shu

Confucian state of Song
Song invests 8 in Song

Mohist state of Wu
Wu conquest of Ying: 10+10 Vs. 10+5 = 20>15
Wu conquers Ying. Ying is pillaged for 5.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi invests 8 in Qi

(https://i.imgur.com/de53cmg.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin : Jin (10), Zheng(6)=16
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (12)=12
• Confucian Song, Iris : Song (12)=12
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic : Wu (10), Ying (5)=15
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(12)=12

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, Iris, TricMagic, Kashyyk

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 15, 2022, 07:03:37 pm

Wait, are people allowed to use the same color now? This is terrible. :(

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 15, 2022, 07:08:31 pm

Confucian Shu:
Spend 12 Rice to Invade Kui

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 15, 2022, 07:53:54 pm

15 to take Guiji

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 16, 2022, 04:10:46 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 15, 2022, 07:03:37 pm

Wait, are people allowed to use the same color now? This is terrible. :(

I was afraid of this. It's actually lavender (or "gray" as I call it) and not white. But if people can't tell them apart, this could be a problem.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 16, 2022, 04:37:51 am

Quote from: a1s on February 16, 2022, 04:10:46 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 15, 2022, 07:03:37 pm

Wait, are people allowed to use the same color now? This is terrible. :(

I was afraid of this. It's actually lavender (or "gray" as I call it) and not white. But if people can't tell them apart, this could be a problem.

Oh, yeah, I see that now. Well, I think it would not be a problem to tell them apart if they were adjacent, so it should hopefully be okay?

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 16, 2022, 07:09:27 am

Confucian State of Qi
Invest all rice in Qi

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 17, 2022, 01:01:45 pm

Just waiting for Iris now.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 19, 2022, 12:42:20 pm

Ok, new rule: If a player doesn't send in orders within 72 hours of a turn starting, their whole rice budget will be spent equally on defense of all their states (like an NPC.)
I will allow additional 24 hours grace this turn, since I just came up with this rule.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 3
Post by: a1s on February 21, 2022, 07:57:39 am

TURN 3

Taoist state of Jin
Jin attempts to conquer Song: 16+3 Vs 12+6= 19 > 18
Jin successfully conquers Song.
Song is pillaged for 5.

Confucian state of Shu
Shu attempts to invade Kui: 12+3 VS 10+4: 15 > 14
Shu successfully conquers Kui.
Kui is pillaged for 5.

Confucian state of Song
Song devotes 12 rice to defending Song by default.

Mohist state of Wu
Wu conquest of Guiji: 15+4 Vs. 10+9 = 19=19
Wu fails to conquer Guiji.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi invests 12 in Qi

(https://imgur.com/7zJpPlT.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Song (7) =23
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (12), Kui (5)=17

[li]Confucian Song, Iris : 0 [/li]

• Mohist Wu, TricMagic : Wu (10), Ying (5)=15
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(15)=15

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 21, 2022, 10:13:57 am

Confucian State of Qi
Invest all rice in Qi

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 21, 2022, 11:52:37 am

And my luck screws me over again. Invade Genji, 15 Rice.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2022, 12:00:00 pm

8 to conquer Wei, 8 to conquer Quwo, 7 to conquer Bai Di.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 21, 2022, 01:46:13 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 21, 2022, 11:52:37 am

Invade Guiji, 15 Rice.

FTFY

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 21, 2022, 03:59:38 pm

Confucian state of Shu
Invest 8 rice in Kui
Spend 9 rice to Invade Deng

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 4
Post by: a1s on February 21, 2022, 04:24:59 pm

TURN 4

Taoist state of Jin
Jin attempts to conquer Wei: 8+8 Vs 10+3 = 16>13
Jin successfully conquers Wei.
Wei is pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to conquer Quwo: 8+7 Vs 10+7 = 15<17
Jin fails to conquer Quwo!
Jin attempts to conquer Bai Di: 7+4 Vs 10+2 = 11<12
Jin fails to conquer Bai Di.

Confucian state of Shu
Shu attempts to invade Deng: 9+7 VS 10+5: 16 > 15
Shu successfully conquers Deng.
Deng is pillaged for 5.
Shu invests 8 in Kui.

Mohist state of Wu
Wu conquest of Guiji: 15+8 Vs. 10+7 = 23>17
Wu conquers Guiji.
Guiji is pillaged for 5.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi invests 12 in Qi

(https://i.imgur.com/eIkPCpH.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Song (7), Wei (6) =29
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (12), Kui (7), Deng (5) = 24
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic : Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5) =20
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(18)=18

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk

Note to Kashyyk/Qi: you had 3 rice leftover this turn, and (if you invest in Qi again) will have 2 leftover next turn, consider doing something with that.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2022, 04:26:55 pm

10 to conquer Zhou. 10 to conquer Quwo. 9 to conquer Bing.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 21, 2022, 04:38:12 pm

12 to Conquer Quanrong, 12 to Conquer Zhou

Zhou dies tonight!

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 21, 2022, 05:01:05 pm

I appreciate the concern, but I have a plan.

Confucian State of Qi
Invest all rice in Qi

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2022, 05:02:24 pm

TricMagic, care for a non-aggression pact?

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 21, 2022, 05:18:53 pm

Yue, E, 10 & 10 InvadE.
May my luck let my conquer both so I can Kingdom. 10 Grain to both invasions.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2022, 05:02:24 pm

TricMagic, care for a non-aggression pact?

Sure. Dun, Chen, Chao, Xue, Tan. Neither of us will take those provinces. Zhou is free game though.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 5
Post by: a1s on February 22, 2022, 05:03:50 am

TURN 5

Taoist state of Jin
Jin attempts to conquer Quwo: 10+2 Vs 10+7 = 12<17
Jin fails to conquer Quwo!
Jin attempts to conquer Bing: 9+10 Vs 10+4 = 19>14
Jin conquers Bing.
Bing is Pillaged for 4.

Taoist state of Jin&Confucian state of Shu
Jin and Shu both attempt to conquer Zhou: 10+8 Vs (8 )+4 = 18>12 & 12+7 Vs (8 )+2 = 19>10
Shu pushes Jin out of the province.
Zhou is pillaged for 7.

Confucian state of Shu
Shu attempts to invade Quarong: 12+3 VS 10+10: 15 < 20
Shu fails to conquer Quarong.

Mohist state of Wu
Wu conquest of Yue: 10+4 Vs. 10+9 = 14<19
Wu fails to conquer Yue.
Wu conquest of E: 10+9 Vs. 10+2 = 19>12
Wu Conquers E.
E is pillaged for 5.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi invests 16 in Qi

(https://imgur.com/Wd2FktR.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Song (7), Wei (6), Bing(6) =35
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (12), Kui (7), Deng (5), Zhou( = 32
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic : Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5) =25
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(22)=22

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 22, 2022, 06:32:02 am

Confucian State of Qi
14 rice invades Guzhu
Invest all remaining rice in Qi

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 09:32:09 am

15 to invade Yue. 10 to invade Xi.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 22, 2022, 12:01:09 pm

@Max: Could I get one of those Non-Aggression Pacts?
Plenty of territory left before we need to go to war.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 02:24:10 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 22, 2022, 12:01:09 pm

@Max: Could I get one of those Non-Aggression Pacts?
Plenty of territory left before we need to go to war.

checks. You are literally right next to him and have the Capital? Letting you build up would be rather catastrophic really.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on February 22, 2022, 02:28:24 pm

MOHIST JU:

20 to invade Lai

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 02:31:45 pm

Quote from: Haspen on February 22, 2022, 02:28:24 pm

MOHIST JU:

20 to invade Lai

Well, that isn't good. Why does Haspen have 20 rice to my bare 25?

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 22, 2022, 02:38:45 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 02:31:45 pm

Well, that isn't good. Why does Haspen have 20 rice to my bare 25?

Balance. If I gave newcomers 10 rice, no one would ever join.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on February 22, 2022, 02:39:10 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 02:31:45 pm

Well, that isn't good. Why does Haspen have 20 rice to my bare 25?

Rules spoiler, First paragraph, Line 5.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 22, 2022, 02:41:48 pm

What's more worrying is that he almost almost as much as me, after I've been using my faction ability all game. Not like a few rice on attacks each turn would ever win me anything after all.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2022, 04:00:22 pm

Quote from: Kashyyk on February 22, 2022, 02:41:48 pm

What's more worrying is that he almost almost as much as me, after I've been using my faction ability all game. Not like a few rice on attacks each turn would ever win me anything after all.

I'm pretty sure that's kind of the point - that if he had started at the beginning, he could have been using that ability all game, so he should be brought up to a relatively similar level.

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 22, 2022, 12:01:09 pm

@Max: Could I get one of those Non-Aggression Pacts?
Plenty of territory left before we need to go to war.

Dude, you already attacked the thing you knew I was attacking. That's called an aggression.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 04:13:20 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2022, 04:00:22 pm

Quote from: Kashyyk on February 22, 2022, 02:41:48 pm

What's more worrying is that he almost almost as much as me, after I've been using my faction ability all game. Not like a few rice on attacks each turn would ever win me anything after all.

I'm pretty sure that's kind of the point - that if he had started at the beginning, he could have been using that ability all game, so he should be brought up to a relatively similar level.

Main issue is Haspen's not a Confucian, but a Mohist like me. Granted, that could just be because Kashyyk is going the safety route and so not accumulating a Kingdom's rice.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2022, 04:16:54 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 04:13:20 pm

Main issue is Haspen's not a Confucian, but a Mohist like me. Granted, that could just be because Kashyyk is going the safety route and so not accumulating a Kingdom's rice.

Right, but everyone can invest rice. Investing ten rice (the starting amount) per turn = +2 rice per turn.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 22, 2022, 04:34:08 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 22, 2022, 04:00:22 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 22, 2022, 12:01:09 pm

@Max: Could I get one of those Non-Aggression Pacts?
Plenty of territory left before we need to go to war.

Dude, you already attacked the thing you knew I was attacking. That's called an aggression.

I was helping you overthrow the Evil Zhou.  Unfortunately, the Heavens favored my troops and gave me Zhou.

Defend 2 rice Zhou
Invade 10 rice Qiang, Invade 10 rice Yong, Invade 10 rice Ba

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 6
Post by: a1s on February 22, 2022, 07:30:58 pm

TURN 6

Taoist state of Jin
Jin attempts to conquer Zhou: 12+9 Vs 2+9 = 21<11
Jin conquers Zhou.
Zhou is pillaged for 3.
Jin attempts to conquer Quwo: 8+10 Vs 10+6 = 18>16
Jin conquers Quwo.
Quwo is Pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to conquer Yiqu: 8+9 Vs 10+8 = 17<18
Jin fails to conquer Yiqu.
Jin attempts to conquer Huo: 7+5 Vs 10+2 = 12=12
Jin fails to conquer Huo.

Confucian state of Shu
Shu defends Zhou, but it is not enough.
Shu attempts to conquer Qiang: 10+10 Vs 10+3 = 20>13
Shu conquers Qiang.
Qiang is Pillaged for 5.
Shu attempts to conquer Yong: 10+1 Vs 10+1 = 11=11
Shu fails to conquer Yong.
Shu attempts to conquer Ba: 10+3 Vs 10+4 = 13<14
Shu fails to conquer Ba.

Mohist state of Wu
Wu conquest of Yue: 15+6 Vs. 10+9 = 21>19
Wu Conquers Yue.
Yue is pillaged for 5.
Wu conquest of Xi: 10+3 Vs. 10+2 = 13>12
Wu Conquers Xi.
Xi is pillaged for 5.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi attempts to conquer Guzhu: 14+1 Vs 10+2= 15>12
Qi conquers Guzhu
Guzhu is pillaged for 5.
Qi invests 8 in Qi

Mohist state of Ju
Ju overruns Lai.
Lai is pillaged for 5

(https://i.imgur.com/KkFvBWk.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Song (7), Wei (6), Bing(6), Zhou(5), Quwo (6) =46
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (12), Kui (7), Deng (5), Qiang (5) = 29
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic : Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5), Yue(5), Xi(5) =35
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(24), Guzhu (5) =29
• Mohist Ju, Haspen : Ju(20), Lai (5) =25

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

Wu and Jin can now declare a Kingdom title.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 07:39:34 pm

The Kingdom come, the will be done. So says the Kingdom of Wu
20 Rice to Conquer Chu. 15 Rice to conquer Han.(+5 if the bonus comes this turn.)

Haspen, care to have a non-aggression agreement? Dun, Chen, Chao, Xue, and Tan are off limits from both of us.
Though alternatively, Max and I can just crush you from two sides like what might happen to Jack. (Sorry Jack.)

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 12:27:12 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 07:39:34 pm

The Kingdom come, the will be done. So says the Kingdom of Wu
20 Rice to Conquer Chu. 15 Rice to conquer Han.(+5 if the bonus comes this turn.)

Haspen, care to have a non-aggression agreement? Dun, Chen, Chao, Xue, and Tan are off limits from both of us.
Though alternatively, Max and I can just crush you from two sides like what might happen to Jack. (Sorry Jack.)

@Tric: You've got a couple provinces before we share a border.

@Everyone: In following the great traditions, I suggest we call a Coalition against the Usurper Jin!

Confucian Shu, EuchreJack:
11 Rice to Invade Yong
11 Rice to Invade Ba
7 Rice to Defend Deng

I now realize the Mohist are the truly greatest sect.  Sigh, to choose Confucian Virtue in time of Strife...

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on February 23, 2022, 12:55:30 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 22, 2022, 07:39:34 pm

The Kingdom come, the will be done. So says the Kingdom of Wu
20 Rice to Conquer Chu. 15 Rice to conquer Han.(+5 if the bonus comes this turn.)

Haspen, care to have a non-aggression agreement? Dun, Chen, Chao, Xue, and Tan are off limits from both of us.
Though alternatively, Max and I can just crush you from two sides like what might happen to Jack. (Sorry Jack.)

Should've made it Chao-Zhong Li-Han.

20 to invade Tan.
5 to invest in Ju.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 01:04:08 am

Declare Kingdom of Jin.
17 to conquer Deng. 15 to conquer Yiqu. 14 to conquer Quanrong.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2022, 02:19:29 am

Confucian State of Qi
15 rice invades Guo
14 rice invades Fei

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2022, 08:35:31 am

And so the wars begin. You could have taken Li and Lu and swept into Qi.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 7
Post by: a1s on February 23, 2022, 09:09:36 am

TURN 7

Taoist kingdom of Jin
Jin overruns Deng
Deng is pillaged for 1.
Jin attempts to conquer Yiqu: 15+2 Vs 10+3 = 17>13
Jin conquers Yiqu.
Yiqu is Pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to conquer Quanrong: 14+6 Vs 10+10 = 20=20
Jin fails to conquer Quanrong


Confucian state of Shu
Shu defends Deng, but it is not enough.
Shu attempts to conquer Yong: 11+2 Vs 10+7 = 13<17
Shu fails to conquer Yong.
Shu attempts to conquer Ba: 11+8 Vs 10+4 = 19>14
Shu conquers Ba.
Ba is Pillaged for 5.

Mohist kingdom of Wu
Wu declares Kingdom of Wu!
Wu overruns Chu.
Chu is pillaged for 5.
Wu attempts to conquer Han: 15+7 Vs 10+5 = 22>15
Wu conquers Han.
Han is pillaged for 5.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi attempts to conquer Guo: 15+8 Vs 10+6= 23>16
Qi conquers Guo
Guo is pillaged for 5.
Qi attempts to conquer Fei: 14+5 Vs 10+8= 19>18
Qi conquers Fei
Fei is pillaged for 5.

Mohist state of Ju
Ju overruns Tan.
Tan is pillaged for 5
Ju invests 5 in Ju.

(https://imgur.com/MWukH94.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin (+5) : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Song (7), Wei (6), Bing(6), Zhou(5), Quwo (6), Deng(4), Yiqu (6) =61
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (12), Kui (7), Qiang (5), Ba(5) = 29
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic (+5): Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5), Yue(5), Xi(5), Chu(5), Han(5) =50
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(24), Guzhu (5), Guo (5), Fei(5) =39
• Mohist Ju, Haspen : Ju(21), Lai (5), Tan(5) =31

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

Some of you need to start using PMs for orders...

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 11:45:21 am

Surrender to Jin.

Good game Max.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

IMPERIAL VICTORY:

First, you need to conquer the independent State of Zhou, where the imperial palace is located.
Second, you must control at least 4 KINGDOM-type States: QI, JIN, SONG, WU, CHU, SHU or QIN.
Third, your dominion must be continuous; any gaps between your provinces (whether due to rebels, or other Players' conquest) must be filled up with your glorious state color!

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 02:27:14 pm

Huh, really? Okay.

Going to be honest - I was planning to stall you here - although seeing that you failed in Yong I would likely have pushed one further to stall in Kui instead - out of worry over what Kashyyk is doing back there.
Well, if you're sure:

20 to conquer Qin
10 to conquer Kui
10 to conquer Yong
10 to conquer Quanrong
11 to conquer Bai Di

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on February 23, 2022, 02:38:09 pm

This means that Tric stands as the only person able to prevent Max's victory in 2 turns by rushing Zhou.*

But considering Tric's shortsightness and paranoia, he probably already launched full/near-full rice assault against me, so gg everyone, this one's gonna be short :P

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2022, 02:42:16 pm

I was already in an alliance with Max, so.. And if I was doing that I would rush Zhou instead. From there I could attempt to break apart his continuous color. And if I could take Zheng I could force him to splinter.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on February 23, 2022, 02:45:01 pm

Dunno how taking Zheng would help if Wey connects stuff anyway :P

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 02:54:50 pm

Personally, I think Empire of Wu-Jin sounds better, but I wouldn't turn down top billing if you wanted to offer it.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 23, 2022, 03:15:52 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 02:54:50 pm

Personally, I think Empire of Wu-Jin sounds better, but I wouldn't turn down top billing if you wanted to offer it.

:)

Quote from: Haspen on February 23, 2022, 02:45:01 pm

Dunno how taking Zheng would help if Wey connects stuff anyway :P

Splinter as in I can threaten all of Max's mainline territories. With 3 capitals in the area it would turn into a warzone and deplete resources. And if I ever control all 3 I'd win right? So long as Chu was intact.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on February 23, 2022, 03:22:11 pm

Max has ZHOU, and Jin, Song, now Qin and in 2 turns he will get Shu, which nets him a win.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 8
Post by: a1s on February 23, 2022, 07:37:41 pm

TURN 8

Taoist kingdom of Jin
Jin overruns Qin
Qin is pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to conquer Kui, but the province defense is too strong.
Jin attempts to conquer Quanrong: 10+10 Vs 10+2 = 20>12
Jin conquers Quanrong
Quanrong is pillaged for 4
Jin attempts to conquer Bai Di: 11+5 Vs 10+8 = 16<18
Jin fails to conquer Bai Di


Taoist kingdom of Jin&Confucian state of Shu
Jin and Shu both attempt to conquer Yong: 10+3 Vs (5)+10 = 13<15 & 11+8 Vs (5)+10 = 19>15
Shu succeeds where Jin failed.
Yong is pillaged for 5.


Confucian state of Shu
Shu defends Kui, and manage to repel the enemy.
Shu invests 8 in Shu

Mohist kingdom of Wu
Wu defends Han, and manage to repel the enemy.
Wu attempts to conquer Tan: 25+4 Vs 27+9+3 = 29<39
Wu fails to conquer Tan.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi attempts to conquer Cao: 13+5 Vs 10+1= 18>11
Qi conquers Cao
Cao is pillaged for 5.
Qi attempts to conquer Yan: 13+4 Vs 10+10= 17<20
Qi fails to conquer Yan.
Qi attempts to conquer Zhongshan: 13+6 Vs 10+5= 19>15
Qi conquers Zhongshan
Zhongshan is pillaged for 5.

Mohist state of Ju
Ju defends Tan, and manage to repel the enemy.
Ju attempts to conquer Han, but the province defense is too strong.

(https://imgur.com/IPfLlCG.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin (+5) : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Song (7), Wei (6), Bing(6), Zhou(5), Quwo (6), Deng(4), Yiqu (6), Qin (6), Quanrong(6) =73
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack : Shu (14), Kui (7), Qiang (5), Ba(5), Yong(5) = 36
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic (+5): Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5), Yue(5), Xi(5), Chu(5), Han(5) =50
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(24), Guzhu (5), Guo (5), Fei(5), Cao(5), Zhongshan(5) =49
• Mohist Ju, Haspen : Ju(21), Lai (5), Tan(5) =31

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

Fierce battles on the Han-Tan border have resulted in a stalemate.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 08:09:55 pm

Haha, I suspected you might be lying since your action wasn't bolded. Good job.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 09:39:37 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 08:09:55 pm

Haha, I suspected you might be lying since your action wasn't bolded. Good job.

More like I changed my mind after you submitted your turn, but it's still in the backstabber category.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 09:51:53 pm

Ahem, where is my Kingdom title?
I hereby declare the founding of the Kingdom of Shu.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 09:54:46 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 09:39:37 pm

More like I changed my mind after you submitted your turn, but it's still in the backstabber category.

The rules forbid changing your orders, so I think the fact that your orders were technically invalid is more relevant.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 10:56:20 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 09:54:46 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 09:39:37 pm

More like I changed my mind after you submitted your turn, but it's still in the backstabber category.

The rules forbid changing your orders, so I think the fact that your orders were technically invalid is more relevant.

The rules also don't allow surrender.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 24, 2022, 01:38:39 am

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 10:56:20 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 09:54:46 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 09:39:37 pm

More like I changed my mind after you submitted your turn, but it's still in the backstabber category.

The rules forbid changing your orders, so I think the fact that your orders were technically invalid is more relevant.

The rules also don't allow surrender.

I don't agree. The rules don't say anything about surrender, and everything not forbidden is permitted.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 24, 2022, 10:51:03 am

Did Haspen really dedicate 27 of his rice to defense?

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 24, 2022, 11:47:24 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 24, 2022, 01:38:39 am

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 10:56:20 pm

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 23, 2022, 09:54:46 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 23, 2022, 09:39:37 pm

More like I changed my mind after you submitted your turn, but it's still in the backstabber category.

The rules forbid changing your orders, so I think the fact that your orders were technically invalid is more relevant.

The rules also don't allow surrender.

I don't agree. The rules don't say anything about surrender, and everything not forbidden is permitted.

Surrender is permitted, but it doesn't have any mechanics associated with it. It is, in essence, fluff.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on February 26, 2022, 09:39:59 am

TricMagic and Kashyyk I don't have turns from you (either you didn't send one in, or I somehow lost them). If you don't want your whole budget going to defense, please (re)submit your turns today.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 03:29:43 pm

35 to conquer Tan, 15 to defend Han.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 9
Post by: a1s on February 26, 2022, 05:08:44 pm

TURN 9

Taoist kingdom of Jin
Jin defends Song, but the enemy is too strong.
Jin Defends Deng and manage to repel the enemy
Jin Defends Wey, but no enemy comes
Jin attempts to conquer Cao: 11+10 Vs 5+4 = 21>9
Jin conquers Cao
Cao is pillaged for 1.
Jin attempts to conquer Yong and meets no resistance.
Yong is pillaged for 1
Jin attempts to conquer Kui and meets no resistance.
Kui is pillaged for 2.

Confucian Kingdom of Shu
Shu declares Kingdom of Shu!
Shu tries to invade Deng: 2+1 Vs 11+10
Shu fails to invade Deng
Shu tries to invade Bai Pu: 11+2 Vs 10+2 = 13>12
Shu conquers Bai Pu
Bai Pu is pillaged for 5.
Shu tries to invade Xun: 11+3 Vs 10+8 = 14<18
Shu fails to conquer Xun.
Shu tries to invade Yun: 11+4 Vs 10+9 = 15<19
Shu fails to conquer Yun.

Mohist kingdom of Wu
Wu defends Han, but no enemy comes.
Wu attempts to conquer Tan: 35+9 Vs 31+8+3 = 44>42
Wu conquers Tan.
Tan is pillaged for 2.

Confucian State of Qi
Qi attempts to conquer Song: 20+4 Vs 15+5= 24>20
Qi conquers Song
Song is pillaged for 3.
Qi attempts to conquer Yan: 15+6 Vs 10+3= 21>13
Qi conquers Yan.
Yan is pillaged for 5.
Qi invests 4 in Qi.

Mohist state of Ju
Ju defends Tan, but the enemy is too strong.

(https://imgur.com/1J09Bb8.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin (+5) : Jin (10), Zheng(6), Wei (6), Bing(6), Zhou(5), Quwo (6), Deng(4), Yiqu (6), Qin (6), Quanrong(6), Cao(4), Yong(4), Kui(5) =79
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack (+5): Shu (14), Qiang (5), Ba(5), Bai Pu(5) = 34
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic (+5): Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5), Yue(5), Xi(5), Chu(5), Han(5), Tan(3) = 53
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk : Qi(24), Guzhu (5), Guo (5), Fei(5), Zhongshan(5), Song (4), Yan(5) = 53
• Mohist Ju, Haspen : Ju(21), Lai (5) =26

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

I would like to remind everyone that there can only be 1 winner in this game.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2022, 11:33:05 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

You honestly are, you have no idea how much I don't care about fighting you

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 27, 2022, 03:21:30 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2022, 11:33:05 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

You honestly are, you have no idea how much I don't care about fighting you

Your conquest of two of my provinces speaks differently.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 27, 2022, 01:41:39 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 27, 2022, 03:21:30 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2022, 11:33:05 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

You honestly are, you have no idea how much I don't care about fighting you

Your conquest of two of my provinces speaks differently.

You are in a position to threaten Yong, Kui, and Dhen. Meanwhile Qi's managed to get their hooks into Song. Bao, Xun, and Zhuang give you options to threaten a capital if you take them. Though if you strike near Chu you can expect me to enter your war posthaste.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 08:42:20 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 27, 2022, 01:41:39 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 27, 2022, 03:21:30 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2022, 11:33:05 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

You honestly are, you have no idea how much I don't care about fighting you

Your conquest of two of my provinces speaks differently.

You are in a position to threaten Yong, Kui, and Dhen. Meanwhile Qi's managed to get their hooks into Song. Bao, Xun, and Zhuang give you options to threaten a capital if you take them. Though if you strike near Chu you can expect me to enter your war posthaste.

Perhaps you should examine how much rice Jin has in comparison to mine.  Also note: I no longer qualify for a Kingdom title.
Also, my capital is clearly being threatened.

@Tric: Why are you handing Jin the game?

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 28, 2022, 08:54:14 am

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 08:42:20 am

Perhaps you should examine how much rice Jin has in comparison to mine.  Also note: I no longer qualify for a Kingdom title.
Also, my capital is clearly being threatened.

@Tric: Why are you handing Jin the game?

Dude. Shush. You're killing Max here!

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 08:58:09 am

Quote from: Kashyyk on February 28, 2022, 08:54:14 am

Dude. Shush. You're killing Max here!

Er, sorry about that.  I meant to emphasis more strongly about the Jin Menace!
EDIT: The Ninjas are busy today...

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Kashyyk on February 28, 2022, 08:59:43 am

Jin. Yes, definitely always talking about Max. No one will ever know.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on February 28, 2022, 10:34:56 am

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 08:42:20 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 27, 2022, 01:41:39 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 27, 2022, 03:21:30 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2022, 11:33:05 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

You honestly are, you have no idea how much I don't care about fighting you

Your conquest of two of my provinces speaks differently.

You are in a position to threaten Yong, Kui, and Dhen. Meanwhile Qi's managed to get their hooks into Song. Bao, Xun, and Zhuang give you options to threaten a capital if you take them. Though if you strike near Chu you can expect me to enter your war posthaste.

Perhaps you should examine how much rice Jin has in comparison to mine.  Also note: I no longer qualify for a Kingdom title.
Also, my capital is clearly being threatened.

@Tric: Why are you handing Jin the game?

Note that once you are a Kingdom, that can't be taken from you. Rice Bonus is permanent. Also I kinda expected you to fight as hard as you can. The Jin-Wu treaty is still active.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 11:22:43 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 28, 2022, 10:34:56 am

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 08:42:20 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 27, 2022, 01:41:39 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 27, 2022, 03:21:30 am

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 26, 2022, 11:33:05 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on February 26, 2022, 11:02:25 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on February 26, 2022, 07:26:33 pm

One more push before Ju falls. Shu's looking to scoop up Chu though, but Jin's knocking on their doors.

I'm in NO position to threaten Chu in any way.  ::)

You honestly are, you have no idea how much I don't care about fighting you

Your conquest of two of my provinces speaks differently.

You are in a position to threaten Yong, Kui, and Dhen. Meanwhile Qi's managed to get their hooks into Song. Bao, Xun, and Zhuang give you options to threaten a capital if you take them. Though if you strike near Chu you can expect me to enter your war posthaste.

Perhaps you should examine how much rice Jin has in comparison to mine.  Also note: I no longer qualify for a Kingdom title.
Also, my capital is clearly being threatened.

@Tric: Why are you handing Jin the game?

Note that once you are a Kingdom, that can't be taken from you. Rice Bonus is permanent. Also I kinda expected you to fight as hard as you can. The Jin-Wu treaty is still active.

The Jin-Wu treaty in which Wu basically is agreeing to let Jin win.
It should be called the Jin Treaty of Wu's Submission.

Title: Re: Warring States (4/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on February 28, 2022, 11:26:43 am

Quote from: TricMagic on February 21, 2022, 05:18:53 pm

Yue, E, 10 & 10 InvadE.
May my luck let my conquer both so I can Kingdom. 10 Grain to both invasions.

Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 21, 2022, 05:02:24 pm

TricMagic, care for a non-aggression pact?

Sure. Dun, Chen, Chao, Xue, Tan. Neither of us will take those provinces. Zhou is free game though.

@Tric: This is the extent of your treaty.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on March 02, 2022, 07:19:06 am

Turn in about ~3 hours. Haspen, you have a chance to do something besides defending Ju with all the rice, though I don't expect you will.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on March 02, 2022, 08:48:52 am

13 to invade Yi
12 to invade Teng
1 to defend Ju

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 09:05:35 am

Quote from: Haspen on March 02, 2022, 08:48:52 am

13 to invade Yi
12 to invade Teng
1 to defend Ju

You might as well have not even bothered defending Ju with that amount.
Annoying though. You'll going to threaten Qi and maybe manage to snag their Rice, cutting it in half. Can't blame you though.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on March 02, 2022, 11:54:57 am

1 point defense is a decent strategy in that it requires the opponent to roll the dice or commit 12 rice to invade.
There is certainly a strategy behind Publicly Declaring 1 Point Defense.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 12:15:35 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on March 02, 2022, 11:54:57 am

1 point defense is a decent strategy in that it requires the opponent to roll the dice or commit 12 rice to invade.
There is certainly a strategy behind Publicly Declaring 1 Point Defense.

I'd never commit less that 20 though. And that would be me being an idiot, the sooner Haspen loses their capital, the sooner I can clean up. Even if they retook Tan, they'd be greatly weakened.
Granted, good on them for not trying to. They can't really split their rice in a head-on war against me. As is they are just going to become a splinter if they don't take Qi.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on March 02, 2022, 12:22:24 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 12:15:35 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on March 02, 2022, 11:54:57 am

1 point defense is a decent strategy in that it requires the opponent to roll the dice or commit 12 rice to invade.
There is certainly a strategy behind Publicly Declaring 1 Point Defense.

I'd never commit less that 20 though. And that would be me being an idiot, the sooner Haspen loses their capital, the sooner I can clean up. Even if they retook Tan, they'd be greatly weakened.
Granted, good on them for not trying to. They can't really split their rice in a head-on war against me. As is they are just going to become a splinter if they don't take Qi.

Commit 20 rice to their 1 rice? Haspen's investment is super effective!

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on March 02, 2022, 12:23:27 pm

Tric will conquer Ju and half the rice will be razed.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 12:30:21 pm

It's a fair bit more, but I'll have 64 rice after this. Haspen has 5 to 15. Not as much as Jin has, but pretty decent

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on March 02, 2022, 12:37:26 pm

Er, nevermind.

Point of order:

Quote

Once a State is conquered, inevitably there will be looting, pillaging and destruction at hands of victorious soldiers. The Rice output of the State is thus HALVED, and the new owner of the pillaged land will need to re-invest into it. This can lead to Devastation:

Devastated States are those States that have 0 Rice output; it is not possible to launch attacks from Devastated States, and one must first Invest in them to be able to launch attacks from it in the next Turn.

So its half each conquest.  No idea how the rounding works.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 01:25:39 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on March 02, 2022, 12:37:26 pm

Er, nevermind.

Point of order:

Quote

Once a State is conquered, inevitably there will be looting, pillaging and destruction at hands of victorious soldiers. The Rice output of the State is thus HALVED, and the new owner of the pillaged land will need to re-invest into it. This can lead to Devastation:

Devastated States are those States that have 0 Rice output; it is not possible to launch attacks from Devastated States, and one must first Invest in them to be able to launch attacks from it in the next Turn.

So its half each conquest.  No idea how the rounding works.

Up given I have a 3-rice state.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 10
Post by: a1s on March 02, 2022, 04:35:31 pm

TURN 10

Taoist kingdom of Jin
Jin attempts to conquer Qiang: 10+9 Vs 1+2 = 19> 3
Jin conquers Qiang
Qiang is pillaged for 1.
Jin attempts to conquer Shu: 10+3 Vs 11+1 = 13 > 12
Jin conquers Shu
Shu is pillaged for 6
Jin attempts to conquer Ba: 10 + 8 VS 1 +6 = 18> 7
Jin conquers Ba
Ba is pillaged for 1
Jin attempts to conquer Song: 10 +1 Vs 1 +7 = 11>8
Jin conquers Song
Song is pillaged for 1
Jin attempts to conquer Liang: 10+2 Vs 10+6 = 12<16
Jin fails to conquer Liang
Jin attempts to conquer Chen: 10+8 Vs 10+8 = 18=18
Jin fails to conquer Chen
Jin attempts to conquer Yun: 10 + 9 Vs 10 +2 = 19>12
Jin conquers Yun
Yun is pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to conquer Bao: 9 +8 Vs 10+3 = 17>13
Jin conquers Bao
Bao pillaged for 4

Confucian Kingdom of Shu
Shu defends Shu but the enemy is too strong
Shu defends Qiang but the enemy is too strong
Shu defends Ba but the enemy is too strong
Shu invades Deng, and are unopposed
Deng is pillaged for 2
Shu invades Kui, and are unopposed
Kui is pillaged for 2


Mohist kingdom of Wu
Wu defends Tan, but no enemy comes.
Wu overruns Ju
Ju is pillaged for 10.

Confucian Kingdom of Qi
Qi declares kingdom of Qi
Qi defends Song, but the enemy is too strong.
Qi defends Guo, but no enemy comes
Qi invades Zheng and are unopposed
Zheng is pillaged for 3
Qi invades Wei and are unopposed
Wei is pillaged for 3
Qi invades Cao and are unopposed
Cao is pillaged for 2

Mohist state of Ju
Ju defends Ju, but the enemy is too strong.
Ju attempts to invade Yi: 13+2 Vs 10+6 = 15<16
Ju fails to conquer Yi
Ju attempts to invade Teng: 12+1 Vs 10+4 = 13<14
Ju fails to conquer Teng

(https://i.imgur.com/CkWTZOK.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin (+5) : Jin (10), Bing(6), Zhou(5), Quwo (6), Yiqu (6), Qin (6), Quanrong(6), Yong(4), Qiang(4), Shu(7), Ba(4), Song(3), Yun(6), Bao(6) =84
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack (+5): Bai Pu(5), Deng(2), Kui(3) = 15
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic (+5): Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5), Yue(5), Xi(5), Chu(5), Han(5), Tan(3), Ju(11) = 64
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk (+5) : Qi(24), Guzhu (5), Guo (5), Fei(5), Zhongshan(5), Yan(5), Zheng(3), Wei(3), Cao(2) = 62
• Mohist Ju, Haspen : Lai (5) =5

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

Jin almost won, but in Warring States almost does not count.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 04:51:00 pm

I can officially declare our alliance over Max. Not that it might matter if you manage to get the victory condition. Thanks for waiting.

Good luck to thee Jack, want a non-aggression pact?

Haspen, I do wonder if you plan to officially surrender with a public development action.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: Haspen on March 02, 2022, 05:14:56 pm

a1s you forgot the 'who needs to post' labels under the map this time :P

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 07:27:50 pm

Quote from: Haspen on March 02, 2022, 05:14:56 pm

a1s you forgot the 'who needs to post' labels under the map this time :P

That honestly may have been intentional so people don't camp their actions. :P

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on March 03, 2022, 02:20:51 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 04:51:00 pm

Good luck to thee Jack, want a non-aggression pact?

Sure.

Quote from: The Treaty of Perpetual Peace between The Great States of Shu and Chu

The Great States of Shu and Chu agree that Shen, Zhuang, and Luo will constitute the Easternmost provinces of Shu.  Tang is reserved to Chu for purposes of joint liberation of Zhou.  Either state may invalidate this treaty with one turn's notice.
x EuchreJack, King of Zhou
x

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 03, 2022, 03:05:15 pm

Quote from: EuchreJack on March 03, 2022, 02:20:51 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on March 02, 2022, 04:51:00 pm

Good luck to thee Jack, want a non-aggression pact?

Sure.

Quote from: The Treaty of Perpetual Peace between The Great States of Shu and Chu

The Great States of Shu and Chu agree that Shen, Zhuang, and Luo will constitute the Easternmost provinces of Shu.  Tang is reserved to Chu for purposes of joint liberation of Zhou.  Either state may invalidate this treaty with one turn's notice.
x EuchreJack, King of Zhou
x TricMagic, Ruler of Wu

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on March 05, 2022, 09:14:15 am

Still waiting for the TricJack alliance to post their turns.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on March 05, 2022, 10:55:09 am

Quote from: a1s on March 05, 2022, 09:14:15 am

Still waiting for the TricJack alliance to post their turns.

PM has been sent from me.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on March 05, 2022, 11:31:45 am

So it is. Waiting for TricMagic only.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 01:54:43 pm

I am back from the Gym.

18 each to conquer to Teng, Lu, & Yi. 3 to defend Ju, 8 to conquer Lai.

Alliance is over Jin, I'll be joining the fray now.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on March 05, 2022, 02:50:29 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 01:54:43 pm

18 to Teng, Lu, & Li.

I'm assuming attack. Also there is no Li- there's Yi and Zhong Li. (there's also, of course Xi, which you own, as well as Ji and Liang which you don't border. But I don't think you meant any of them)

Quote from: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 01:54:43 pm

Alliance is over Wu, I'll be joining the fray now.

You're Wu.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on March 05, 2022, 02:58:45 pm

Yi makes the most sense.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 03:07:54 pm

Quote from: a1s on March 05, 2022, 02:50:29 pm

Quote from: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 01:54:43 pm

18 to Teng, Lu, & Li.

I'm assuming attack. Also there is no Li- there's Yi and Zhong Li. (there's also, of course Xi, which you own, as well as Ji and Liang which you don't border. But I don't think you meant any of them)

Quote from: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 01:54:43 pm

Alliance is over Wu, I'll be joining the fray now.

You're Wu.

So I am. Edited orders to reflect that it is Yi.

Title: Re: Warring States Turn 11
Post by: a1s on March 05, 2022, 03:27:38 pm

TURN 10

Taoist kingdom of Jin
Jin overruns Deng.
Deng is barely even pillaged.
Jin overruns Kui.
Kui is barely even pillaged.
Jin overruns Bai Pu.
Bai Pu is pillaged for 1.
Jin attempts to invade Yelang: 14+9 Vs 10+7 = 23>17
Jin conquers Yelang.
Yelang is pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to invade Liang: 14+9 Vs 10+6 = 23>16
Jin conquers Liang.
Liang is pillaged for 4.
Jin attempts to invade Cheng: 14+4 Vs 10+6 = 18>16
Jin conquers Cheng.
Cheng is pillaged for 4.

Confucian Kingdom of Shu
Shu defends Bai Pu but the enemy is too strong
Shu defends Deng but the enemy is too strong
Shu defends Kui but the enemy is too strong
Shu invades Quanrong, and are unopposed
Quanrong is pillaged for 3

Mohist kingdom of Wu
Wu defends JU, but the enemy is too strong.
Wu attempts to conquer Teng: 18+7 Vs 10+9 = 25>19
Wu conquers Teng
Teng is pillaged for 5
Wu attempts to conquer Lu: 18+5 Vs 10+1 = 23>11
Wu conquers Lu
Lu is pillaged for 5
Wu attempts to conquer Yi: 18+7 Vs 10+8 = 25>18
Wu conquers Yi
Yi is pillaged for 5
Wu attempts to conquer Lai: 8+1 Vs 1+2+3 = 9>6
Qu conquers Lai
Lai is pillaged for 2

Confucian Kingdom of Qi
Qi defends Zheng, but no enemy comes
Qi defends Wey, but no enemy comes
Qi defends Cao, but no enemy comes
Qi invades Zhou and are unopposed
Zhou is pillaged for 2
Qi invades Song and are unopposed
Song is pillaged for 1
Qi invades Jin and are unopposed
Jin is pillaged for 5
Qi attempts to invade Ji: 15+5 Vs 10+6 = 20>16
Qi conquers Ji
Ji is pillaged for 5.

Mohist state of Ju
Ju defends Lai, but the enemy is too strong.
Ju attempt s to invade Ju: 4+6 Vs 3+1+3 = 10>7
Ju conquers Ju
Ju is pillaged for 5

(https://imgur.com/ePxzMOy.png)

Spoiler: rice (click to show/hide)

• Taoist Jin, Maximum Spin (+5) : Bing(6), Quwo (6), Yiqu (6), Qin (6), Yong(4), Qiang(4), Shu(7), Ba(4), Yun(6), Bao(6), Yalang(6),Liang(6), Cheng(6), Deng(2), Kui(3), Bai Pu(4) =87
• Confucian Shu, EuchreJack (+5): Quanrong(3) = 8
• Mohist Wu, TricMagic (+5): Wu (10), Ying (5), Guiji (5), E(5), Yue(5), Xi(5), Chu(5), Han(5), Tan(3), Lai(3), Teng(5), Lu(5), Yi(5) = 72
• Confucian Qi, Kashyyk (+5) : Qi(24), Guzhu (5), Guo (5), Fei(5), Zhongshan(5), Yan(5), Zheng(3), Wei(3), Cao(2), Jin(5), Zhou(3), Song(2), Ji(5) = 77
• Mohist Ju, Haspen : Ju (6) =6

Needed Actions: Maximum Spin, EuchreJack, TricMagic, Kashyyk, Haspen

Two nations have become enclaves, but show no desire to abandon the fight.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: TricMagic on March 05, 2022, 04:06:14 pm

And Nat 1. Jack's turn did not go well though.

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: EuchreJack on March 05, 2022, 05:29:07 pm

Shu roulette begins now. Where is the bullet?

Title: Re: Warring States (5/10) started, but taking late joiners
Post by: a1s on March 07, 2022, 10:30:19 am

Just waiting for Kashyyk now.