I could certainly use another day or so before starting.
Yeah, thinking of a role was HARD. It had to be something fun that wouldn't be obvious. I think I just chose something that randomly occurred to me.
I shall Embrace Lamp, mightly champion of THE DESK~
Oh, how did you like my work? :PI could certainly use another day or so before starting.
Yeah, thinking of a role was HARD. It had to be something fun that wouldn't be obvious. I think I just chose something that randomly occurred to me.
I shall Embrace Lamp, mightly champion of THE DESK~
Really? It was pretty easy for me. I guess I read too much obscure fiction.
Oh, how did you like my work? :PI could certainly use another day or so before starting.
Yeah, thinking of a role was HARD. It had to be something fun that wouldn't be obvious. I think I just chose something that randomly occurred to me.
I shall Embrace Lamp, mightly champion of THE DESK~
Really? It was pretty easy for me. I guess I read too much obscure fiction.
Oh, how did you like my work? :PI could certainly use another day or so before starting.
Yeah, thinking of a role was HARD. It had to be something fun that wouldn't be obvious. I think I just chose something that randomly occurred to me.
I shall Embrace Lamp, mightly champion of THE DESK~
Really? It was pretty easy for me. I guess I read too much obscure fiction.
You made a book? WHAT IS IT CALLED
Converse amongst yourselves while I work with Keebler Elves to deliver you some roles that will satisfy your goals.I look forward to the role that will allow me to win effortlessly.
Vote Webadict for not starting the game yet. :P+1
+1Vote Webadict for not starting the game yet. :P+1
Interesting start. I will play to type as expected.
I am town. I don't think I believe ToonyMan.
Befriends Jack.A true friend would stop voting me...
So, things are already off to quite the start. Toony/4mask, you apparently
The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
Jim Groovester is redpeeked, all aboard!Do you have any evidence, or is this just a random accusation. Lack of clarity means I keep voting you.
(Also I'm going to be out all evening so no significant posting from me tonight).
Bruh.The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
I find this offensive, as I can usually read Jim pretty well.
So 4maskwolf
If I could vote you twice, I would now be doing so.Bruh.The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
I find this offensive, as I can usually read Jim pretty well.
So 4maskwolf
Like, five levels of bruh.
4maskwolf niegh.If I could vote you twice, I would now be doing so.Bruh.The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
I find this offensive, as I can usually read Jim pretty well.
So 4maskwolf
Like, five levels of bruh.
I got a mafia result on Roden.Is this a serious claim?
I can be inspected and will flip mafia.
will flip mafia.Do I think Webadict would have a town role that flips mafia in a non-bastard?
You tell me.I got a mafia result on Roden.Is this a serious claim?
Jack can be town for now.I was going to vote Tric for their first post, but I'm still kind of 50/50.
TricMagic
Please just answer the question.I can be inspected and will flip mafia.will flip mafia.Do I think Webadict would have a town role that flips mafia in a non-bastard?
...
I don't. You're interpreting incorrectly or lying.You tell me.I got a mafia result on Roden.Is this a serious claim?
Please just answer the question.I would love to keep this up, but the no nonsense attitude is kind of a bummer. I am unsure if a mafia!Roden would behave this way.
I think I understood Jack wrong, they said "flip" here which made me think they meant on death, but I think they actually meant if they were inspected.I can be inspected and will flip mafia.Do I think Webadict would have a town role that flips mafia in a non-bastard?
And so the games begin EucrheJack. How much do you want to be kept alive?
Jim Groovester is redpeeked, all aboard!
The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.
Ok, so I need to role claim that I inspect as Mafia, even though I am not.
I also possess some sort of investigative role, which I won't mention at this time.
Discuss
So, after decrypting my role, I'm basically an Ascetic that reads mafia. I can't be roleblocked or tracked or seen by others, yet I can be inspected and will flip mafia.
While I'd make a fine policy lynch, I do have Tracker+ as my investigative ability.
The Plus is reserved for tomorrow, if you should decide to keep me alive to prove that claim.
The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
I find this offensive, as I can usually read Jim pretty well.
So 4maskwolf
D R A M A
Interesting start. I will play to type as expected.
I am town. I don't think I believe ToonyMan.
I think I understood Jack wrong, they said "flip" here which made me think they meant on death, but I think they actually meant if they were inspected.
So I'm less suspicious of Jack if that's true.
I figured that's what you were doing, but I wanted to be sure on the off chance you actually did have a N0 inspect on me, since I'm a Miller.Please just answer the question.I would love to keep this up, but the no nonsense attitude is kind of a bummer. I am unsure if a mafia!Roden would behave this way.
I'm kidding about having a N0 (or immediate D1 action?) inspect on Roden because that's incredibly stupid. It's a joke because I've been framing Roden in the last few games. I can't believe I have to answer this straight-faced for him when he complained about me doing this in the last game and should know what I'm doing.
Anyway, probably town for now.
...You too? So Jack, you, and me are all claiming Miller now.Jim Groovester is redpeeked, all aboard!
I'M A MILLER.
NOT THAT YOU WERE SERIOUS ABOUT IT ANYWAY.
If I had a gun to my head and had to pick a second wolf I’d say Spin, which lolonepostreads but their response to Toony felt far more performative than Roden or Jack.I am only one person.
WTF!?Jack can be town for now.I was going to vote Tric for their first post, but I'm still kind of 50/50.
TricMagic
To note, I like how Knightwing spelt Jack's name incorrectly the same way as Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360658#msg8360658) right after though, collusion??
Vote Count-angry dog noises-
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4maskwolf - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360684#msg8360684),
EuchreJack - 1 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360716#msg8360716),
Jim Groovester - 1 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360777#msg8360777),
Knightwing - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
ToonyMan - 1 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360661#msg8360661),
TricMagic - 0 -
Vector - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -
Not Voting - 5 - 4maskwolf , Knightwing, Roden, ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360771#msg8360771), Vector,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~103 hours remaining).
Voting Jim Groovester because his posting method makes it painful to read. That could be intentional: He wants credit for posting, but does so in a way that we are inclined not to examine. Typically, I'd be able to read Jim in a couple of posts, but that posting technique of ALL CAPS is going to make it harder.This is a dumb reason to vote someone. Also, his post is just as insightful as in other games, just annoying to read.
I'm backing off 4maskwolf because I realize I can't actually read them from a meta standpoint, and that caused me to join in mislynching them in a previous game.Oh? Is that the only reason?
Much silence about nothing.I'm not sure if you'd be this confrontational as mafia. Kinda looks like you're trying to soft claim Vig?
So, I'll ask the same question as I did at the start, to everyone this time. How much do you want to live?
My Miller is auto, but it isn't called Miller and actually has two negative effects. If I get voted out, whoever hammers me also steals my ability.Why in the holy hell would you claim that.
Probably a jester or bomb.My Miller is auto, but it isn't called Miller and actually has two negative effects. If I get voted out, whoever hammers me also steals my ability.Why in the holy hell would you claim that.
Part of me actually thinks you're more likely to be mafia than to have really thought it would be pro-town to say that, but I'm trying to reserve judgement. Everyone makes mistakes. :P
Anyway, come on everyone, vote ToonyMan with me. It's good for you. Puts hair on your chest, probably.
Max, any other comments on the dynamics? (Nt the best word to use but eh. :) )Not really, not yet. I think most people can pretty much see where things stand now.
Toony swapping from "4mask maybe town" to "4mask is probably just a wolf" after I make a comment about him being sus, based on what is, as best as I can tell, a pre-flip associative, is interesting in italics.Nah that isn't part of it. I was just thinking if I don't trust Jack then I don't trust you either, sorry.
This really isn't you Toony, you'd normally be.... Well, less this.Less what?
As is, pretty sure one of the three voting Jack is Mafia, if not multiple. Jim being his partner would make some sense given Jim won't be able to play this weekend. But on the same manner we still have 4 days, and hammering this quickly denies discussionSure, you can suppose that.
No. I'm pretty sure Roden is town now.My Miller is auto, but it isn't called Miller and actually has two negative effects. If I get voted out, whoever hammers me also steals my ability.Why in the holy hell would you claim that.
Part of me actually thinks you're more likely to be mafia than to have really thought it would be pro-town to say that, but I'm trying to reserve judgement. Everyone makes mistakes. :P
Roden
I have three more problems to submit before I can be done with my complex analysis course, back later. Take care y'all.
Because if I get run up, I'd prefer that a consensus town read perform the hammer over letting a scum read do it. Less power in scum hands and instead in town hands is objectively a good thing.My Miller is auto, but it isn't called Miller and actually has two negative effects. If I get voted out, whoever hammers me also steals my ability.Why in the holy hell would you claim that.
Part of me actually thinks you're more likely to be mafia than to have really thought it would be pro-town to say that, but I'm trying to reserve judgement. Everyone makes mistakes. :P
Anyway, come on everyone, vote ToonyMan with me. It's good for you. Puts hair on your chest, probably.
@Roden: Do you believe both Jim and my Miller claims?Until I'm given a reason to believe otherwise, I don't have any to doubt your claims. You claimed first and even said that you're apparently a Death Miller, which idk why mafia would claim that. However mafia doesn't really have a reason to fake counterclaim Miller either, so Jim also seems fine.
If not, which of us is lying? Why?
I will say this though: two specific players feel a little off. It's a meta read, and the game still barely just started, so I won't say who they are yet since I don't want to tip them off. If it persists, I'll say who they are before the day ends.Good call. Although tragedy has struck the House of EJ, so I at least have a marginal excuse.
I've got a powerful role, so only way I'm getting lynched day 1 is if they push it through before I can roleclaim. Again..Actually, if you're a vigilante, I think you are likely to get lynched because people think you're either Mafia OR you'll likely kill a townie if you're town.
Day 2-3 for me is likely to be very productive though :)
I'm convinced Jim is town at this point.
Why are you so eager to kill me Jack? Do you have any other thoughts for why you backed off 4mask earlier?
I'm willing to believe all the "miller" claims are legit, so if there's someone I find more suspicious than you Jack I will vote them. If I wasn't voting you right now it would probably be Tric or 4mask. I'm not sure about Max or Vector either but right now I really feel the rest are town. Yes, even Knightwing.
I can sign on to a Jim/Toonyman scum team
In fact Toonyman.
Who wants to Hammer?
If Toony flips Town, it's a hard Day 2 for the Hammerer.
I can sign on to a Jim/Toonyman scum team
In fact Toonyman.
Who wants to Hammer?
If Toony flips Town, it's a hard Day 2 for the Hammerer.
NO HAMMERS
I AM STILL THINKING
The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
I find this offensive, as I can usually read Jim pretty well.
So 4maskwolf
WHAT EVEN.
WHY IS YOUR ABILITY TO READ ME A FACTOR IN YOUR VOTE OF 4MASKWOLF WHEN I HAVEN'T EVEN SHOWN UP YET?
I was going to vote Tric for their first post, but I'm still kind of 50/50.WTF!?
To note, I like how Knightwing spelt Jack's name incorrectly the same way as Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360658#msg8360658) right after though, collusion??
...the significant more likely story is that Knightwing just copied Tric's spelling of my name. Knightwing picked up on it first.
Posts like that get you scum points. It's too playful/confusing for Town!Toonyman.
FOS Toonyman, although I typically can't read Toonyman until Day 2 at the earliest.
Hm, at least Jim has convinced me Tric is Town Vigilante.
Much silence about nothing.
So, I'll ask the same question as I did at the start, to everyone this time. How much do you want to live?
Can one of the millers confirm if millerhood is an auto ability?
My Miller is auto, but it isn't called Miller and actually has two negative effects. If I get voted out, whoever hammers me also steals my ability.Why in the holy hell would you claim that.
Part of me actually thinks you're more likely to be mafia than to have really thought it would be pro-town to say that, but I'm trying to reserve judgement. Everyone makes mistakes. :P
Anyway, come on everyone, vote ToonyMan with me. It's good for you. Puts hair on your chest, probably.
Toony swapping from "4mask maybe town" to "4mask is probably just a wolf" after I make a comment about him being sus, based on what is, as best as I can tell, a pre-flip associative, is interesting in italics.
The wolf team is Jim and Toony, everyone vote them kthnxbye.I assume that it is just your crazy mafiascum.net style to accuse Jim without Jim even posting.
I find this offensive, as I can usually read Jim pretty well.
So 4maskwolf
WHAT EVEN.
WHY IS YOUR ABILITY TO READ ME A FACTOR IN YOUR VOTE OF 4MASKWOLF WHEN I HAVEN'T EVEN SHOWN UP YET?
EUCHREJACK, PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
I was going to vote Tric for their first post, but I'm still kind of 50/50.WTF!?
To note, I like how Knightwing spelt Jack's name incorrectly the same way as Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360658#msg8360658) right after though, collusion??
...the significant more likely story is that Knightwing just copied Tric's spelling of my name. Knightwing picked up on it first.
Posts like that get you scum points. It's too playful/confusing for Town!Toonyman.
I DON'T THINK TOONYMAN WAS BEING SERIOUS AND I DON'T THINK YOU ARE DENSE ENOUGH TO THINK HE WAS.
FOS Toonyman, although I typically can't read Toonyman until Day 2 at the earliest.
A FOS IS BIZARRE AND ARCHAIC AND I CAN'T RECALL YOU EVER USING ONE BEFORE.
Hm, at least Jim has convinced me Tric is Town Vigilante.
IF YOU BELIEVED THIS WHY SAY IT PUBLICLY?
I LIKE THIS OBSERVATION A LOT AND YOU FOR MAKING IT EVEN IF I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR CONCLUSION ABOUT RODEN.Which conclusion? I clearly expressed ambivalence. Do you disagree that he is mafia or that he is not mafia?
OKAY, BUT WHY?For the same reason I vote for anyone: because I want to see what happens if he dies.
4maskwolf was voting you without your being present. You are notoriously easy to read, not only by myself but by others. Thus, voting you prior to your posting is suspicious, since you are likely to out yourself as town once you post. You might even out yourself as scum. It is further suspicious because planting the idea of you being scum prior to your posting makes it easier to argue that you are scum after you post.
I actually WAS Dense Enough
Primarily because it points as Tric as Town. Since Tric tends to play horribly, he needs all the help he can get if a Green Check. At the time, I was mainly concerned purely with Tric being cleared as Town so I would have one less suspect. However, as I later pointed out, Tric is commonly known to be rather unpredictable and inaccurate. Tric by his own admission in the Revolution III game is not to be trusted with a gun. So it is a bit of a public service announcement to be warned that Tric might be a townie with a gun, plus a plea with Tric to keep it hidden. Plausable deniability. Really, you should be trying to talk Tric into using his Gun responsibly, if he has one. Why aren't you doing that?
I actually WAS Dense Enough
I LIKE THIS OBSERVATION A LOT AND YOU FOR MAKING IT EVEN IF I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR CONCLUSION ABOUT RODEN.Which conclusion? I clearly expressed ambivalence. Do you disagree that he is mafia or that he is not mafia?
4maskwolf. Why is Jack ignoring anything I say about you?Cute. You know what my answer to this question is.
That's the entire reason I did it lmao, this game is full of people who would unironically believe that vote and it gives me good info.4maskwolf was voting you without your being present. You are notoriously easy to read, not only by myself but by others. Thus, voting you prior to your posting is suspicious, since you are likely to out yourself as town once you post. You might even out yourself as scum. It is further suspicious because planting the idea of you being scum prior to your posting makes it easier to argue that you are scum after you post.
WHY WOULD YOU BE DENSE ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT 4MASKWOLF WAS BEING SERIO-I actually WAS Dense Enough
*sigh*
Hm, I think my problem with 4maskwolf is the lack of hunting. They stopped voting me primarily to get me to stop voting them (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360696#msg8360696).Of course this is the downside of people not understanding the game, they have no idea what I've been doing all game.
Notice the mud (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360742#msg8360742) getting slung onto Toonyman (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360885#msg8360885) without actually attacking Toonyman (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360904#msg8360904). Note Tric took the bait... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360907#msg8360907)
@4maskwolf: Who do you think is scum? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360902#msg8360902) Why?
Well, that's something I guess. How am I so bad about setup for day 2?No.
4mask, what's your opinions on the current roles? I note you are tending to ignore things that are too far out?
Kill it with fire.I agree with this, someone shoot me. See what happens. The answer is interesting.
... To note, even if I am third-party, that doesn't actually help find mafia. So push off with you claiming me to be a wolf, that just isn't the case.WTF!?
I see this as the normal, expected result of some dumbass not bothering to learn the local dialect. :P... To note, even if I am third-party, that doesn't actually help find mafia. So push off with you claiming me to be a wolf, that just isn't the case.WTF!?
:PI see this as the normal, expected result of some dumbass not bothering to learn the local dialect. :P... To note, even if I am third-party, that doesn't actually help find mafia. So push off with you claiming me to be a wolf, that just isn't the case.WTF!?
I see this as the normal, expected result of some dumbass not bothering to learn the local dialect. :P... To note, even if I am third-party, that doesn't actually help find mafia. So push off with you claiming me to be a wolf, that just isn't the case.WTF!?
Roden - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360953#msg8360953),Is this in fact correct?
That is, in fact, correct.Roden - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360953#msg8360953),Is this in fact correct?
Oops, last vote count was messed up because spelling errors (and bugs)! Here's one that doesn't have the same issues. My bad!
Vote Count
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4maskwolf - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360684#msg8360684),
EuchreJack - 3 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360716#msg8360716), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360874#msg8360874), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360894#msg8360894),
Jim Groovester - 1 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360777#msg8360777),
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
ToonyMan - 1 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360661#msg8360661),
TricMagic - 1 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360696#msg8360696),
Vector - 0 -
No Lynch - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - Roden, Vector,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~100 hours remaining).
RodenI didn't have any votes on me at the time, so they weren't even trying to hide their double vote by blending in on a wagon. They just, voted me.
I have three more problems to submit before I can be done with my complex analysis course, back later. Take care y'all.
Knightwing64 where are you and what are your reads?
Knightwing64 where are you and what are your reads?
Oh, I'll be fixing someone tonight all right.Roden - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360953#msg8360953),Is this in fact correct?
If so, I'd want (a hypothetical town) ToonyMan to try to fix that tonight. Too dangerous.
Vector, then.Why? Because they're a double voter?
It feels very anti town to not announce that you're a double voter. But, I'm not sure that mafia does this though...wtf is going on with this D1?I can confirm that I could see Vector dropping a hot vote on someone and leaving as either alignment.
I thought more people townread Jim than there really are, turns out half of it was just Toony.It's true though. Jim and Roden are not mafia. These are the reads I'm most confident in.
4mask say something only town!4mask would say and I'll vote Tric. I think he's the biggest hit between Jack/Tric/Max if you're town.Toonyman
Oh, I think actually using the double vote early on is fine.This implies nothing.
Vector does not talk very much. But ask them some questions if you like. They'll get around to answering you eventually.
I think if Vector was scum and wanted to use the double vote to endgame town, they would've tried to obscure it better. I think they could get away with not voting at all today if they really wanted to. And if they wanted to use it to gain town cred, they would likely be more performative and actually announce it to try to get in town's good graces. By doing neither, I don't see any scum motivation with the subtle reveal, so I think they're town.Knightwing64 where are you and what are your reads?
WHAT PROMPTED THIS VOTE? WHY KNIGHTWING64 OVER VECTOR?
@Roden: Do you believe both Jim and my Miller claims?Until I'm given a reason to believe otherwise, I don't have any to doubt your claims. You claimed first and even said that you're apparently a Death Miller, which idk why mafia would claim that. However mafia doesn't really have a reason to fake counterclaim Miller either, so Jim also seems fine.
If not, which of us is lying? Why?
Also, you didn't really ask, but I'm kinda vibing with Tric and Max. I like what they're softing and I think they're town. I hope Toony is town, but I always seem to figure him out too late.
I'm comfortable voting somewhere in 4mask/Knightwing/Vector. I know the latter two typically don't post much but they feel extra lurky.
Vector
Ooo Jack is overreacting defensively, is this suspicious or something he'd do as town?Ugh you're no fun today. :P
4mask, do you think Tric is a better hit than Max? Is Jack worth trusting more than Jim or Roden? Why?
4mask say something only town!4mask would say and I'll vote Tric. I think he's the biggest hit between Jack/Tric/Max if you're town.Toonyman
:wowee: :wowee: :wowee:
Unvote
I think if Vector was scum and wanted to use the double vote to endgame town, they would've tried to obscure it better. I think they could get away with not voting at all today if they really wanted to. And if they wanted to use it to gain town cred, they would likely be more performative and actually announce it to try to get in town's good graces. By doing neither, I don't see any scum motivation with the subtle reveal, so I think they're town.Knightwing64 where are you and what are your reads?
WHAT PROMPTED THIS VOTE? WHY KNIGHTWING64 OVER VECTOR?
Sounds like good logic to me Roden. Vector is town then.
Roden's got a good point about Vector, I think town reading Vector for today makes sense.
As for the reason why I voted Nightwing, I more or less already explained that earlier.I'm comfortable voting somewhere in 4mask/Knightwing/Vector. I know the latter two typically don't post much but they feel extra lurky.
I like how you imply Vector's double voting is automatic, while Jack is implying it's activated (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361226#msg8361226).I'm implying that it seemed like it might be, hence "try". If it isn't, this try would fail. That happens.
4mask say something only town!4mask would say and I'll vote Tric. I think he's the biggest hit between Jack/Tric/Max if you're town.K, was going to say someone could have gifted Vector a doublevote. But this? You do know I was asleep right? Wanted to push the vote on me and lynch me before I even woke up? Cause that is something Mafia does, cause you/they know that I am fully willing to roleclaim to escape a lynch. That and even if I don't Day 1 I will Day 2.
That and even if I don't Day 1 I will Day 2.To pound it into people's skulls.
That joke would have made sense a year ago, in the last Wubba BYOR I hard-pushed Toony D1 when we were both town.4mask say something only town!4mask would say and I'll vote Tric. I think he's the biggest hit between Jack/Tric/Max if you're town.Toonyman
:wowee: :wowee: :wowee:
I DON'T UNDERSTANDUnvote
I DON'T UNDERSTAND EVEN MORE
Toony, what is your Read on Jack, is he being Townie for his playstyle, or scummy?I think Jack is 90% town.
Interesting. After my readthrough yesterday my opinion on Jack basically flipped, there's a bunch of little things that don't feel like they add up to a townie mindset.Toony, what is your Read on Jack, is he being Townie for his playstyle, or scummy?I think Jack is 90% town.
He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.Interesting. After my readthrough yesterday my opinion on Jack basically flipped, there's a bunch of little things that don't feel like they add up to a townie mindset.Toony, what is your Read on Jack, is he being Townie for his playstyle, or scummy?I think Jack is 90% town.
Ahhhh meta reads.He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.Interesting. After my readthrough yesterday my opinion on Jack basically flipped, there's a bunch of little things that don't feel like they add up to a townie mindset.Toony, what is your Read on Jack, is he being Townie for his playstyle, or scummy?I think Jack is 90% town.
Super Town... So ToonyMan is mafia?
Jim
Roden
Very Town
Jack
Vector
Probably Town
4mask
Max
A Complete Mystery
Knightwing
Red Alert wee woo wee woo
TricMagic
Although this does mean all the miller claims are real, which I don't really want to believe. So maybe I'm wrong about Jack or Jim.
re: the three miller claims I'm pretty sure whoever claimed miller second is literally never a wolf for mafia psychology reasons.That was Jim.
... So ToonyMan is mafia?u smell
Lay out your case against me.
General question: Who would you kill tonight if you had a kill ability?Myself. :P
The argument for townreading Vector temporarily is that Vector could have hidden the double voting by either not activating it or by not voting.
Would you scum read Vector for not voting Day 1?
... So ToonyMan is mafia?u smell
Lay out your case against me.
General question: Who would you kill tonight if you had a kill ability?
TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.MY BRAND!
General question: Who would you kill tonight if you had a kill ability?Tric
General question: Who would you kill tonight if you had a kill ability?Knightwing. Because he is the only player I have no idea at this point. And making posts like this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241)
I don't have a case. I've proven everyone else is town which is easier. If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about) then that leaves Max, Knightwing, and Tric. I think every other player is town. So that's two mafia between Max, Knightwing, Tric.COULD YOU REFRESH ME ON YOUR CASE AGAINST TRICMAGIC?... So ToonyMan is mafia?u smell
Lay out your case against me.
TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.You're right. So Tric is probably town too.
*Sad 4mask noises*General question: Who would you kill tonight if you had a kill ability?Or 4mask. 4mask is a good kill.
If I believe Jack and 4mask... But I don't exactly have that trust currently.
He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.
If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about)I didn't know you were a politician Toony :wowee:
The parenthesis were for you 4mask.If I believe Jack and 4mask... But I don't exactly have that trust currently.He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about)I didn't know you were a politician Toony :wowee:
If you've decided you believe Euchre why even include him there in the same context as me?The parenthesis were for you 4mask.If I believe Jack and 4mask... But I don't exactly have that trust currently.He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about)I didn't know you were a politician Toony :wowee:
The parenthesis were for you 4mask.If I believe Jack and 4mask... But I don't exactly have that trust currently.He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about)I didn't know you were a politician Toony :wowee:
Voting Vector is baaad stop that.
Because I'm good at grammar and have infused you and Jack into my mind for this game, sorry.If you've decided you believe Euchre why even include him there in the same context as me?The parenthesis were for you 4mask.If I believe Jack and 4mask... But I don't exactly have that trust currently.He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about)I didn't know you were a politician Toony :wowee:
Yes, stay away from my precious Vector. Not even Roden voted Vector after being voted by them.The parenthesis were for you 4mask.If I believe Jack and 4mask... But I don't exactly have that trust currently.He's been way too hyper active and energetic. I don't think shady Jack spamposts the whole game and gets his nose dirty. Nah...this ain't that Jack.If I believe Jack and 4mask (which I'm still up in the air about)I didn't know you were a politician Toony :wowee:
Voting Vector is baaad stop that.
Well, since we just learned something from the vote, sure.
Unvote
Yes, stay away from my precious Vector. Not even Roden voted Vector after being voted by them.Lmao.
4JackWolf is suspicious of Toonyman! >:(You leave me out of this >:(
I think Jack obeying me is probably town too? They like to do that when we're town...Do they like to do that as wolf? Lots of wolves like to cozy up to the people they consider strong townies to try and stay out of their immediate kill list.
I only remember one game where Jack was actually mafia (since they were I guess third-party in KWNRedux) and that was the first round of MVM3, in which it was apparently obvious that Jack and Vector were the mafia team. Jack could be trying new moves if they rolled mafia again of course, but eh. Every other time I either know Jack is town (since I'm mafia) or I'm town and have to debate whether Jack really is town this time and it turns out that yes, every other time he's been town.I think Jack obeying me is probably town too? They like to do that when we're town...Do they like to do that as wolf? Lots of wolves like to cozy up to the people they consider strong townies to try and stay out of their immediate kill list.
Jack is the most suspicious to me currently. Jack is content with Vector's demise, is pushing Met, and their calm in-control vibe is freaks me out. They must be aware of this and they're townreading me based on this suspicion I have, how do I read this?
Oh it'll be cozy when I shack up with Jack tonight.It’s times like these that I’m reminded that the one thing I miss more than anything when I play here, more than ISOs and vote counts at my fingertips or a bookmarking system, is the fancy emotes on MU. I really want to use the giggle emote here but Bay12 doesn’t have it. :(
Ngl a lot of your meta reads feel like they’re “well I only briefly saw this person as wolf once but they were town in all my other games and they don’t feel that much different” which feels kinda weak to be hanging reads off of.I only remember one game where Jack was actually mafia (since they were I guess third-party in KWNRedux) and that was the first round of MVM3, in which it was apparently obvious that Jack and Vector were the mafia team. Jack could be trying new moves if they rolled mafia again of course, but eh. Every other time I either know Jack is town (since I'm mafia) or I'm town and have to debate whether Jack really is town this time and it turns out that yes, every other time he's been town.I think Jack obeying me is probably town too? They like to do that when we're town...Do they like to do that as wolf? Lots of wolves like to cozy up to the people they consider strong townies to try and stay out of their immediate kill list.
Let's take a quote from past me talking about mafia!Jack in that game:I’d have to read the game to understand the full context there but thank you!Jack is the most suspicious to me currently. Jack is content with Vector's demise, is pushing Met, and their calm in-control vibe is freaks me out. They must be aware of this and they're townreading me based on this suspicion I have, how do I read this?
I think Jack obeying me is probably town too? They like to do that when we're town...Jack with the constant unvoting is Town Jack. Sheeping too, not just you. Jack, who you sheeping? Or is Toony attempting to cement in your mind he's your shepherd?
What the hell?It would help if you asked a specific question to a specific player, then hounded them relentlessly until they answered that question.
I can understand 4Mask, I guess, but what did I do? Explain
What the hell?It would help if you asked a specific question to a specific player, then hounded them relentlessly until they answered that question.
I can understand 4Mask, I guess, but what did I do? Explain
You are mostly being suspected because of your lack of activity, so you would be helping yourself too.
What the hell?You haven't really done anything, which is partially the problem. I mostly town read everyone else and don't have much I can read you on.
I can understand 4Mask, I guess, but what did I do? Explain
What the hell?You haven't really done anything, which is partially the problem. I mostly town read everyone else and don't have much I can read you on.
I can understand 4Mask, I guess, but what did I do? Explain
What do you mean by "I can understand 4mask, I guess"?
Yes, stay away from my precious Vector. Not even Roden voted Vector after being voted by them.
Roden
Vector
Knightwing/4mask would be my PoE...but, that feels way too easy.Hey Max, what do you think? Do you think Roden is correct?
That Knightwing and 4mask are the mafia, or that it feels way too easy?Knightwing/4mask would be my PoE...but, that feels way too easy.Hey Max, what do you think? Do you think Roden is correct?
Well whether you agreed or not would make which part to respond to easy, no?That Knightwing and 4mask are the mafia, or that it feels way too easy?Knightwing/4mask would be my PoE...but, that feels way too easy.Hey Max, what do you think? Do you think Roden is correct?
@Toonyman: Would you say you have been threatened with elimination today? Would you say you have tried to go after your top suspect? WHO is your top suspect?I haven't felt particularly threatened.
No, it still seems kind of important since those two things are opposites. I can only agree with at most half the statement, since it expresses ambivalence, so I need to know which half you care about.That Knightwing and 4mask are the mafia, or that it feels way too easy?Well whether you agreed or not would make which part to respond to easy, no?
I think the recent chronology was sheeping Jim, then sheeping Toonyman.I think Jack obeying me is probably town too? They like to do that when we're town...Jack with the constant unvoting is Town Jack. Sheeping too, not just you. Jack, who you sheeping? Or is Toony attempting to cement in your mind he's your shepherd?
Jack, do you believe Jim and Roden?Jim yes. I believe we are seeing Town!Jim.
I will say this though: two specific players feel a little off. It's a meta read, and the game still barely just started, so I won't say who they are yet since I don't want to tip them off. If it persists, I'll say who they are before the day ends.Oh, are we nearing the point where we get an answer to this? :D
votecount
TOONYMAN FEELS OFF TO ME AS WELL AND IF I HAD TO DESCRIBE IT IT FEELS LIKE HE'S MORE PLIABLE, MORE SUGGESTIBLE THAN I FEEL LIKE I'M USED TO.Both big moods.
I WANT VECTOR TO PLAY.
Fuck you all, my dad just died. Hence Jack 1.0 rather than Jack 1.2Sends virtual hugs.
You guys should just vote for Vector.That doesn't net us any info. Vector's a null right now. Our only proof against him is a double vote. Toony's lunch meanwhile does give data.
Do you believe that it would be wrong for a player to hold suspicions against three or more others, because we have been told there are two killers? You seem to have implied several times that you do.I do hold suspicions against more than 2 players currently, yes. And I know I'm wrong which is a problem I find myself face.
EuchreJackDo you think Jim and Roden are town then? Or that Jack is ploying with one of them?
You guys should just vote for Vector.You're going to make Knightwing feel ignored.
... I swear if I get hit with an auto-canceler I am going to be mad... I'm going to go check myself.Hehehe
I could vote Toonyman, but it's too early to bring him one vote away from hammer.
My stealth and false inspection as Mafia are linked auto abilities.
I don't see any town reasons to keep this secret.
My Miller is auto, but it isn't called Miller and actually has two negative effects. If I get voted out, whoever hammers me also steals my ability.So two out of three Millers are known to have two autos. I can assume Roden's ability theft is actually a negative on whoever steals it?
I think Jim could be right that Jack and Tric are just the mafia, but I don't really feel that energy.Autos, plural. Wording counts, so assuming Roden has a negative impact on the hammerer, removing it from circulation would be useful. (Sorry for busting that trick open Roden.) Likewise Jack's stealth is linked to his miller auto. Removing it weakens him.
One of my abilities removes a player's autos from them. I assume being a Miller is one of the autos you have, so I am not fully surprised by three miller claims as there's probably a lot of autos among the cast. For example, I could "scrub" a miller clean and have them not be a miller anymore. I find three miller claims suspicious still though and suspect Jack more than Jim or Roden currently.
Can one of the millers confirm if millerhood is an auto ability?
See, even Tric agrees!You guys should just vote for Vector.That doesn't net us any info. Vector's a null right now. Our only proof against him is a double vote. Toony's lunch meanwhile does give data.
That and vector is a prime target for informationally roles. Also, who is it that said they can wipe autos? Cause that can be very anti-town if we all have an auto. I assume all millers have multiple auto-abilities.
Saying you got a redpeek is not a good look.Please just answer the question.I can be inspected and will flip mafia.will flip mafia.Do I think Webadict would have a town role that flips mafia in a non-bastard?
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I don't. You're interpreting incorrectly or lying.You tell me.I got a mafia result on Roden.Is this a serious claim?
A) Maybe to you. B) ToonyMan. C) I don't think it's necessarily anti-town; autos can be bad.You guys should just vote for Vector.That doesn't net us any info. Vector's a null right now. Our only proof against him is a double vote. Toony's lunch meanwhile does give data.
That and vector is a prime target for informationally roles. Also, who is it that said they can wipe autos? Cause that can be very anti-town if we all have an auto. I assume all millers have multiple auto-abilities.
.... It is way too late in the day. Are we voting Toony out or am I revealing?A) Maybe to you. B) ToonyMan. C) I don't think it's necessarily anti-town; autos can be bad.You guys should just vote for Vector.That doesn't net us any info. Vector's a null right now. Our only proof against him is a double vote. Toony's lunch meanwhile does give data.
That and vector is a prime target for informationally roles. Also, who is it that said they can wipe autos? Cause that can be very anti-town if we all have an auto. I assume all millers have multiple auto-abilities.
Vote count program has been updated to account for WHEN a player was voted! Votes are now ordered chronologically (Non-voters are still sorted alphabetically.)!
Vote Count
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4maskwolf - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Maximum Spin - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361437#msg8361437),
Roden - 3 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360953#msg8360953), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388),
TricMagic - 0 -
Vector - 2 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361201#msg8361201), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424),
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361282#msg8361282), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361444#msg8361444),
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~28 hours remaining).
Tric is probably town and we aren't fucking hammering Toony.
Nice OMGUS Roden, proud of ya. It's clear the forum raised you right.
EUCHREJACK'S PLAY REGULARLY BEING COMPLETE NONSENSE IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR HIM.
ALTHOUGH I'LL SAY THAT EUCHREJACK DOES FEEL OFF THIS GAME COMPARED TO SOME OF THE RECENT GAMES I'VE PLAYED WITH HIM. IN THOSE RECENT GAMES EUCHREJACK SURPRISED ME BY MAKING SENSE ROUGHLY HALF THE TIME COMPARED TO OLDER GAMES AND THIS GAME WHERE HE MADE SENSE NONE OF THE TIME. SO THIS GAME IS STILL CONSISTENT WITH MY META READ OF HIM BUT IT'S MORE LIKE I'M SEEING EUCHREJACK VERSION 1.0 COMPARED TO EUCHREJACK VERSION 1.2 I SAW MORE RECENTLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
TOONYMAN FEELS OFF TO ME AS WELL AND IF I HAD TO DESCRIBE IT IT FEELS LIKE HE'S MORE PLIABLE, MORE SUGGESTIBLE THAN I FEEL LIKE I'M USED TO.
... That being said, leaving Toony alive to either wipe us, or get redirected if he is town, is not something we'd want. I can also assume no guns in the population given I literally asked people to shoot me. It hasn't happened.
General question: Who would you kill tonight if you had a kill ability?
Knightwing64 where are you and what are your reads?
Roden
Napping in my house. I feel like Jim is town, he just seems like a townie person, I guess. Also, this has been said by other people, but Toony is acting kind of unusual this game, I guess.
Jack, Jim, Roden.
OK, the path forward is clear. Jim! Let's fight.
I don't think anyone has asked you what you think about all the miller claims.
Also, what's your read on 4mask?
Let me think about this. If Jim is mafia it's probably with 4mask. 4mask backed up Jim in a way that didn't mention Jim, which is suspicious.
This Jim post is pinging my gut:EUCHREJACK'S PLAY REGULARLY BEING COMPLETE NONSENSE IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR HIM.
ALTHOUGH I'LL SAY THAT EUCHREJACK DOES FEEL OFF THIS GAME COMPARED TO SOME OF THE RECENT GAMES I'VE PLAYED WITH HIM. IN THOSE RECENT GAMES EUCHREJACK SURPRISED ME BY MAKING SENSE ROUGHLY HALF THE TIME COMPARED TO OLDER GAMES AND THIS GAME WHERE HE MADE SENSE NONE OF THE TIME. SO THIS GAME IS STILL CONSISTENT WITH MY META READ OF HIM BUT IT'S MORE LIKE I'M SEEING EUCHREJACK VERSION 1.0 COMPARED TO EUCHREJACK VERSION 1.2 I SAW MORE RECENTLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MAKE OF THIS.
TOONYMAN FEELS OFF TO ME AS WELL AND IF I HAD TO DESCRIBE IT IT FEELS LIKE HE'S MORE PLIABLE, MORE SUGGESTIBLE THAN I FEEL LIKE I'M USED TO.
One of the standard stronger scum play structures is "this is totally normal but actually because of X Y Z maybe we should kill this dude."
I'm inclined to say that's a good thing because I can follow the trains of logic Toony is using for each of those changes, even if I don't necessarily agree with them. Toony's good enough to fake it as a wolf but each time his reads shift naturally I'm moving him more and more towards town, from an objective gameplay perspective. If this is his new way of playing town it's a good look.Let me think about this. If Jim is mafia it's probably with 4mask. 4mask backed up Jim in a way that didn't mention Jim, which is suspicious.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY 1 BUT YOU'VE CHANGED YOUR OPINION ONCE ABOUT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE GAME SO FAR.
4MASKWOLF IS MAKING SEVERAL OBSERVATIONS I AGREE WITH SO ON BALANCE I HAVE HIM LEANING TOWN BUT HE'S DEFINITELY IN THE CATEGORY OF SKILLED ENOUGH TO TERRIFY ME.You're seriously overselling my play lol.
Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
I'm not sure a mafia ally can exist in a 9-player format unless there isn't a traditional wolfteam (which isn't out of the question for a webadict game but I'm going to assume 2-player wolfteam until proven otherwise), but some kind of independent third party is certainly in the cards. Wuba seems to like including outsider/unusual wincons in games.Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
I had the somewhat similar thought of "Is Toonyman Mafia-Ally?"
Vector revealing an automatic double-vote by voting is NAI and anyone who says otherwise is, what is it the kids say these days, sus?Nobody's saying otherwise. The vote wasn't the point.
The argument for townreading Vector temporarily is that Vector could have hidden the double voting by either not activating it or by not voting.
Wait, what? Why would Vector out that they're a double voter like that without claiming beforehand?
Okay, fine, I just wanted to emphasize that I'm not saying otherwise, happy?The argument for townreading Vector temporarily is that Vector could have hidden the double voting by either not activating it or by not voting.Wait, what? Why would Vector out that they're a double voter like that without claiming beforehand?
Is claiming D1 under no pressure the new meta in BYORs and I missed it?... sort of yes
Hah... Well, Jack is off his Rocker, following Vector. I'm likely to get hit by Toony as it is. So..Why are you convinced Toony will target you? Nobody even suggested it and there are seven other people available.
Role:Claim: I'm a reviving doctor. So long as the person I befriended Day 1 is alive, I will revive infinitely. On the flipside, my doctor results don't show up on my side or the one I target. Oh, and that revival of mine happens to be an Auto. Which Toony can wipe.
Tric why did you reveal thatOn the bright side, does anyone still hold doubt that this is town Tric?
It's town Tric. I think you're an okay guy Max for the time being.Tric why did you reveal thatOn the bright side, does anyone still hold doubt that this is town Tric?
I think 4mask is mafia, he's made big posts on players like Jack and Tric to throw dirt on them but I don't really feel like he cares whether they're town or not. He's also pushing for Roden over Jack and Jim even though Vector is correct that it makes more sense for Jack or Jim to be mafia.What.
I can't read, remove that section from the document.I think 4mask is mafia, he's made big posts on players like Jack and Tric to throw dirt on them but I don't really feel like he cares whether they're town or not. He's also pushing for Roden over Jack and Jim even though Vector is correct that it makes more sense for Jack or Jim to be mafia.What.
I'm literally voting Jack because I think Jack is mafia and you say I'm pushing Roden over him.
Fucking lol.
:wowee: :wowee: :wowee:I can't read, remove that section from the document.I think 4mask is mafia, he's made big posts on players like Jack and Tric to throw dirt on them but I don't really feel like he cares whether they're town or not. He's also pushing for Roden over Jack and Jim even though Vector is correct that it makes more sense for Jack or Jim to be mafia.What.
I'm literally voting Jack because I think Jack is mafia and you say I'm pushing Roden over him.
Fucking lol.
I think 4mask is mafia, he's made big posts on players like Jack and Tric to throw dirt on them but I don't really feel like he cares whether they're town or not. He's also pushing for Roden and Jack over Jim even though Vector is correct that it makes more sense for Jack or Jim to be mafia."Strike that from the record your honor" proceeds to say the exact same thing like a boss :P
Honestly Toonyman breaking from his fairly sensible progressions thus far to accuse me on false premises after I float the possibility of him being third party may be the most alignment indicative thing I've seen from him all game.@Webadict:
@Webadict:At least 0. And no more than 9.
How many thirdparty are in this game?
<3 Love you Wubs@Webadict:At least 0. And no more than 9.
How many thirdparty are in this game?
It's Not in Blue!!!!@Webadict:At least 0. And no more than 9.
How many thirdparty are in this game?
Hah... Well, Jack is off his Rocker, following Vector. I'm likely to get hit by Toony as it is. So..
Role:Claim: I'm a reviving doctor. So long as the person I befriended Day 1 is alive, I will revive infinitely. On the flipside, my doctor results don't show up on my side or the one I target. Oh, and that revival of mine happens to be an Auto. Which Toony can wipe.
Honestly Toonyman breaking from his fairly sensible progressions thus far to accuse me on false premises after I float the possibility of him being third party may be the most alignment indicative thing I've seen from him all game.
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (4 hours and 2 minutes remaining.)
JIM IS FIGHT CLUB, calling it now. As is votes are tied 3 ways, and one of those is Vector on Jim.Why Vector?
Ninja'd. Vector came in and made a post, then left. If Toony doesn't pull ahead, I'll move to Vector.
I think 4mask is mafia, he's made big posts on players like Jack and Tric to throw dirt on them but I don't really feel like he cares whether they're town or not. He's also pushing for Roden over Jack and Jim even though Vector is correct that it makes more sense for Jack or Jim to be mafia.What.
I'm literally voting Jack because I think Jack is mafia and you say I'm pushing Roden over him.
Fucking lol.
What is even going on in this thread.
You guys noticed that weird Tric and Jack thing, right?
I don't think Roden's really been pushed at all Toony. I'm just annoyed at Jack Sheeping all day 1.
Jack, vote Toony.
Hah... Well, Jack is off his Rocker, following Vector. I'm likely to get hit by Toony as it is. So..
Role:Claim: I'm a reviving doctor. So long as the person I befriended Day 1 is alive, I will revive infinitely. On the flipside, my doctor results don't show up on my side or the one I target. Oh, and that revival of mine happens to be an Auto. Which Toony can wipe.
So, as long as I live, Tric lives?
...someone hand me a gun, please. :P
As for voting, a vote for Toony is currently a Vote for a tie. Whereas a vote for Jim is a vote to lynch. I think I'll keep voting Jim for a while longer, unless someone else is interested in voting Toony.
I really need to look everyone over again before end of day. I suspect a Chinese Fire Drill is in our future. >:(
@Roden: Are you buying what 4mask & Toonyman are selling?
TOONYMAN, WHAT'S YOUR READ ON RODEN NOW THAT HE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING FOR TWO DAYS?I know you're hungry for lurkers like Vector and Roden, but Roden is town.
Why are 4mask and Toonyman both single-voting, as in, placing a single vote that won't lead to a lynch?Because it wasn't near Day end. We're still two hours out so I'm not feeling especially rushed to try and consolidate, especially considering we have only 9 players so vote totals can switch around quickly.
You and Toonyman are partners in, like, zero worlds.Honestly Toonyman breaking from his fairly sensible progressions thus far to accuse me on false premises after I float the possibility of him being third party may be the most alignment indicative thing I've seen from him all game.
@4maskwolf: IF you are town, isn't it better to join me in voting Toonyman to get the lynch of one of your top suspects, even though I may be your other suspect?
From your POV, you would be helping eliminate scum, and its possible I might be bussing Toonyman.
What is even going on in this thread.Saw it, commented on it. Until one of the two flips I'm not going to think too hard about it though, preflipping people on D1 is a great way to bias yourself into tunneling onto someone, whether they're a wolf or not.
You guys noticed that weird Tric and Jack thing, right?
TOONYMAN, WHAT'S YOUR READ ON RODEN NOW THAT HE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING FOR TWO DAYS?I'll took a look at it tonight/tomorrow (game time), today's been pretty stressful in real life so I'm not feeling like going over their interactions with a fine-tooth comb right now. I will comment that Euchre and I had a very similar trajectory towards each other as Toonyman/Rodan except we eventually circled back around to suspecting each other again.I think 4mask is mafia, he's made big posts on players like Jack and Tric to throw dirt on them but I don't really feel like he cares whether they're town or not. He's also pushing for Roden over Jack and Jim even though Vector is correct that it makes more sense for Jack or Jim to be mafia.What.
I'm literally voting Jack because I think Jack is mafia and you say I'm pushing Roden over him.
Fucking lol.
IS THERE SOMETHING TO TOONYMAN AND RODEN? OF ALL TOONYMAN'S INTERACTIONS I FIND THE ONES REGARDING RODEN AND VECTOR STRANGEST. HE DEFENDS HIS TOWN READS WHICH INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST RODEN AND VECTOR BUT THOSE TWO HAVE PLAYED WEAKER, LESS ACTIVE GAMES THAN HIS OTHER TOWN READS, SO HIS DEFENSE OF THEM SEEMS UNEARNED COMPARED TO HIS OTHER TOWN READS.
TOONYMAN ALSO STARTED THE GAME VOTING RODEN WITH A FAKE GUILTY INSPECT, RODEN TAKES HIM SERIOUSLY, AND THEN TOONYMAN BACKS OFF AND CLEARS HIM FOR THE MILLER CLAIM AND THEN DEFENDS HIM THE REST OF THE GAME.
YES I KNOW I SAID HOURS AGO RODEN DIDN'T READ AS SCUM TO ME BUT THAT WAS BEFORE I NOTICED HE WAS SILENT FOR TWO DAYS.What is even going on in this thread.
You guys noticed that weird Tric and Jack thing, right?
WHAT THING?
What is even going on in this thread.Scum points to Max. Of all the players, you at least should know that a weird Tric & Jack thing transcends all forum games. This particular game is no exception to that.
You guys noticed that weird Tric and Jack thing, right?
TOONYMAN, WHAT'S YOUR READ ON RODEN NOW THAT HE HASN'T SAID ANYTHING FOR TWO DAYS?I know you're hungry for lurkers like Vector and Roden, but Roden is town.
Town
Roden
Jack
Tric
Jim
Vector
I don't know
Knightwing
Want to vote
Max
4mask
Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
I think if he's not genuine he's doing a very good job of faking it, up until recently. His thought processes have been natural and easy to follow.Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
Before I start accusing you of being mafia for suggesting third parties, do you REALLY think Toony has been genuinely scumhunting?
And then within a day they're trying to turn around and say "you brought up the possibility of third parties, you're mafia".Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
I had the somewhat similar thought of "Is Toonyman Mafia-Ally?"
What, I fall asleep for like two hours and nobody changes their votes?No, bad.
Fine Vector
Not factchecking anything has been a problem so far, which you and Jim mainly have been nitpicking. Which, okay, fair enough.I think if he's not genuine he's doing a very good job of faking it, up until recently. His thought processes have been natural and easy to follow.Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.Before I start accusing you of being mafia for suggesting third parties, do you REALLY think Toony has been genuinely scumhunting?
I'm not comfortable voting a miller claim player today. I don't want to do it.
Knightwing and Vector are easy targets and I don't think they're good hits.
I think if he's not genuine he's doing a very good job of faking it, up until recently. His thought processes have been natural and easy to follow.Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
Before I start accusing you of being mafia for suggesting third parties, do you REALLY think Toony has been genuinely scumhunting?
Also, for anyone who still thinks EuchreJack is town: remember that Euchre said this immediately after I originally made the statement previously mentioned:And then within a day they're trying to turn around and say "you brought up the possibility of third parties, you're mafia".Random 4mask thought of the day: is Toonyman a third party? It would merge Toony's somewhat atypical play with their seemingly genuine scumhunting.
I had the somewhat similar thought of "Is Toonyman Mafia-Ally?"
I agree that Jim and Vector are lousy votes.I find it odd you believe in Jim. I find it odd you're voting with the person you were just shitting on. I find it odd you think Vector is a lousy vote when you were just voting them.
4maskwolf
I'm not comfortable voting a miller claim player today. I don't want to do it.How can you suspect Tric? You've played in enough games that you should recognize town!Tric.
Knightwing and Vector are easy targets and I don't think they're good hits.
Change your vote then. Go ahead and change it. CHANGE IT IF YOU MEAN ITI agree that Jim and Vector are lousy votes.I find it odd you believe in Jim. I find it odd you're voting with the person you were just shitting on. I find it odd you think Vector is a lousy vote when you were just voting them.
4maskwolf
I find you odd, Jack.
I should note:Adding Mod to hate list.
Ties in the vote are determined by the Mafia.
It is advised that you not have a tie, but I'm not your mother.
I...don't suspect Tric. I'm not voting them today either.I'm not comfortable voting a miller claim player today. I don't want to do it.How can you suspect Tric? You've played in enough games that you should recognize town!Tric.
Knightwing and Vector are easy targets and I don't think they're good hits.
I find it very suspicious that you apparently DO NOT want me to join your vote. What, you DO NOT want to vote someone? Do you KNOW who is Green?I just find it funny and outlandish.
Adding Mod to hate list.:(
I think a lot of players townread Jack, do you think we're all misguided 4mask?
I think a lot of players townread Jack, do you think we're all misguided 4mask?
I admit I'm lost on why everyone is townreading them, because all I'm hearing is "meta meta meta" and "I don't think wolf EuchreJack acts like that" which, y'know, it's D1, fair, but they're constantly ping-ponging between reads with no clear thought process. Like, legitimately, half their posts read like they're posted by a learning wolf who understands the basics of wolfing but hasn't quite gotten there on maintaining tone and continuity, and it's honestly frustrating that it feels so clear to me but nobody else seems to see what I'm seeing.
This is literally the opposite of coolheaded mafia!Jack that I saw in MVM3.I believe you. But if I had a nickel for every time I got burned by someone citing meta I'd be a rich man.
I didn't say it was scummy. I just asked who noticed it.What is even going on in this thread.Scum points to Max. Of all the players, you at least should know that a weird Tric & Jack thing transcends all forum games. This particular game is no exception to that.
You guys noticed that weird Tric and Jack thing, right?
Trying to act like its just this game is scummy for the one person who should know better.
...or maybe you're just jealous. :P
I guarantee you would have less than fifty bucks. I don't believe for a second that's happened more than a thousand times.This is literally the opposite of coolheaded mafia!Jack that I saw in MVM3.I believe you. But if I had a nickel for every time I got burned by someone citing meta I'd be a rich man.
Toonyman would be a lot more pissed off at this point if town.
Sure, okay, let's bandwagon this thing, might as well. ToonyMan
As long as I get to lynch somebody.
Toonyman would be a lot more pissed off at this point if town.Sure, okay, let's bandwagon this thing, might as well. ToonyMan
As long as I get to lynch somebody.
NOW THAT I'M FACED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF IT I REALIZE I DON'T WANT IT.
I'M GOING TO CHICKEN OUT.
YOU CAN CALL ME CHICKEN GROOVESTER. I'LL TAKE IT.
I think Jim Chicken sounds better.Toonyman would be a lot more pissed off at this point if town.Sure, okay, let's bandwagon this thing, might as well. ToonyMan
As long as I get to lynch somebody.
NOW THAT I'M FACED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF IT I REALIZE I DON'T WANT IT.
I'M GOING TO CHICKEN OUT.
YOU CAN CALL ME CHICKEN GROOVESTER. I'LL TAKE IT.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/billyhatcher/images/1/19/Chicken_suit.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/300?cb=20180104082405) (https://youtu.be/GtZQNIVP-Bg)Toonyman would be a lot more pissed off at this point if town.Sure, okay, let's bandwagon this thing, might as well. ToonyMan
As long as I get to lynch somebody.
NOW THAT I'M FACED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF IT I REALIZE I DON'T WANT IT.
I'M GOING TO CHICKEN OUT.
YOU CAN CALL ME CHICKEN GROOVESTER. I'LL TAKE IT.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/billyhatcher/images/1/19/Chicken_suit.png) (https://youtu.be/GtZQNIVP-Bg)Toonyman would be a lot more pissed off at this point if town.Sure, okay, let's bandwagon this thing, might as well. ToonyMan
As long as I get to lynch somebody.
NOW THAT I'M FACED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF IT I REALIZE I DON'T WANT IT.
I'M GOING TO CHICKEN OUT.
YOU CAN CALL ME CHICKEN GROOVESTER. I'LL TAKE IT.
Now that that meme is done.
Jim, does your Miller Auto have a negative/positive effect associated with it. If so, that makes 3 such things. And we have a eraser here too.
nin3
Ok, so you push two players to do your dirty work, but refuse to vote yourself?
What I would like is an explanation.
Why NOT Toonyman?
Look, I'll lynch Vector if you want, too, just commit.
Now that that meme is done.
Jim, does your Miller Auto have a negative/positive effect associated with it. If so, that makes 3 such things. And we have a eraser here too.
nin3
I mean technically yes but you get my point.I guarantee you would have less than fifty bucks. I don't believe for a second that's happened more than a thousand times.This is literally the opposite of coolheaded mafia!Jack that I saw in MVM3.I believe you. But if I had a nickel for every time I got burned by someone citing meta I'd be a rich man.
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT TOONYMAN HAVING AN ABILITY THAT STEALS AUTOS.
I don't care about it either.I DO NOT CARE ABOUT TOONYMAN HAVING AN ABILITY THAT STEALS AUTOS.
.... Interesting word choice there Jim. Want to tell us something?
.... Interesting word choice there Jim. Want to tell us something?
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT TOONYMAN HAVING AN ABILITY THAT STEALS AUTOS.
Jim who do I vote? Nobody agrees with me so I'm going to sheep you.
@Roden: Are you buying what 4mask & Toonyman are selling?I'm not but I don't think both are mafia. It would be funny if it was mafia vs 3P but I don't think it's particularly likely.
Is there nobody you think has acted wolfily this game?.... Interesting word choice there Jim. Want to tell us something?I DO NOT CARE ABOUT TOONYMAN HAVING AN ABILITY THAT STEALS AUTOS.Jim who do I vote? Nobody agrees with me so I'm going to sheep you.
UHM UHM UHM UHM UHM UHM
UHM UHM UHM UHM UHM UHM
I'M COMFORTABLE SEEING VECTOR LYNCHED TODAY. I WISH I FELT MORE STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
@Roden: Are you buying what 4mask & Toonyman are selling?I'm not but I don't think both are mafia. It would be funny if it was mafia vs 3P but I don't think it's particularly likely.
Btw to answer the previous question: the two players who are off-meta are Tric and Max. Tric hasn't been playing detective much, and Max is contributing a lot for Day 1, way more than usual, which he's only done one other time when he rolled scum. But with Tric's claim I think he's just town, which just leaves Max. However, Max softed something pro-town, so I'm mixed there.
I'm planning on pushing for a day 2 mass claim, followed by a day 3 lynch-hunt. So... Not really?Bay12 teaches bad habits...
Jack if you vote Max I'm going after you. Step too far.
I'm planning on pushing for a day 2 mass claim, followed by a day 3 lynch-hunt. So... Not really?Haven't you said that already about other players?
Jack if you vote Max I'm going after you. Step too far.
Yes. I'd have been better learning the game in a Nunnery.I'm planning on pushing for a day 2 mass claim, followed by a day 3 lynch-hunt. So... Not really?Bay12 teaches bad habits...
Jack if you vote Max I'm going after you. Step too far.
Btw to answer the previous question: the two players who are off-meta are Tric and Max. Tric hasn't been playing detective much, and Max is contributing a lot for Day 1, way more than usual,I am?
However, Max softed something pro-town, so I'm mixed there.I did???
LMAO!I'm planning on pushing for a day 2 mass claim, followed by a day 3 lynch-hunt. So... Not really?Haven't you said that already about other players?
Jack if you vote Max I'm going after you. Step too far.Yes. I'd have been better learning the game in a Nunnery.I'm planning on pushing for a day 2 mass claim, followed by a day 3 lynch-hunt. So... Not really?Bay12 teaches bad habits...
Jack if you vote Max I'm going after you. Step too far.
:wowee:What does that even mean?
Day end always happens when I'm at work and I end up panicking, idk I made it on timeEdited
MaxThis vote will not be counted. It was posted after the cut-off time.
Time is up. *facepalm*This vote will not be counted. It was posted after the cut-off time.
Max anyway.
I'M COMFORTABLE SEEING VECTOR LYNCHED TODAY. I WISH I FELT MORE STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
Role: Vote Count
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PN} (Auto) Vote Duke: Your vote counts for 2 votes as long as at least two other Town Players are alive.
{P10} (Night) Vote Knight [target]: Your target has one additional vote during the next Phase. If there are two or less Town Players alive, this additional vote is permanent instead.
{P10} (1-Shot, Night) Vote King: You become King until the end of the next Day. You are the only Player that votes. This power automatically activates if miselimination would end the game. This Action cannot be copied or stolen.
Knightwing64 has requested a replacement.Could we just ask Vector if he want's to rejoin, or is that bad etiquette?
Vector prefers you use they/them instead of he when referring to them. Also, they are quite busy, and it'd be bad etiquette. But, notquitethere will replace in for Knightwing64.Knightwing64 has requested a replacement.Could we just ask Vector if he want's to rejoin, or is that bad etiquette?
What did you do last night Max?I targeted someone other than TricMagic, and got the expected result.
YEAH NOBODY ACTUALLY TARGETS TRICMAGIC HERE, SO GOOD JOB TO WHOEVER REDIRECTED THE KILL TO TRICMAGIC.If someone redirected the kill, then they essentially have a guilty result and should tell us who they targeted.
Who did you target?I don't quite see how that's any of your business.
Well, at least Tric was telling the truth.I have to say, while I don't expect TM would have done this and I thought he was town already anyway, I will never not be paranoid after the time when, in another place, one of our strongest players, as mafia, self-targeted the first round gambling that a doctor would protect him, and succeeded in being "proven town".
And is proven Town.
I want to know if you'll lie. I don't really need a full claim, so we can save that for later.Who did you target?I don't quite see how that's any of your business.
Here, I'll fullclaim if you do, but let's both save it for later in the day.
If nobody claims to have moved the kill, we should reflect on which players one might expect not to know that TricMagic would have been gloating truthfully. I think I have a clear answer in mind.
Vote Count
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Vector - 3 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424), 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362078#msg8362078), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362088#msg8362088),
Jim Groovester - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361883#msg8361883),
ToonyMan - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362051#msg8362051),
4maskwolf - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361926#msg8361926),
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Roden - 1 - Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Vote count program has been updated to account for WHEN a player was voted! Votes are now ordered chronologically (Non-voters are still sorted alphabetically.)!
Vote Count
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4maskwolf - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Maximum Spin - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361437#msg8361437),
Roden - 3 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360953#msg8360953), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388),
TricMagic - 0 -
Vector - 2 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361201#msg8361201), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424),
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361282#msg8361282), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361444#msg8361444),
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~28 hours remaining).
YEAH NOBODY ACTUALLY TARGETS TRICMAGIC HERE, SO GOOD JOB TO WHOEVER REDIRECTED THE KILL TO TRICMAGIC.That would be me.
I tracked Roden last night and he is apparently untrackable. Euchrejack also claimed to be untrackable but Roden only claimed Miller. Maybe we really do have three untrackable millers... but it would be simpler to believe that there's a mafia member among the claimants.That is very odd if you're telling the truth. What's going on Roden?
Who? What's the answer, and who did you target last night?Who did you target?I don't quite see how that's any of your business.
Here, I'll fullclaim if you do, but let's both save it for later in the day.
If nobody claims to have moved the kill, we should reflect on which players one might expect not to know that TricMagic would have been gloating truthfully. I think I have a clear answer in mind.
This superficially makes sense but flies completely in the face of where you seemed to be at during EoD yesterday. I was your top chop and Jim was a top townpick.YEAH NOBODY ACTUALLY TARGETS TRICMAGIC HERE, SO GOOD JOB TO WHOEVER REDIRECTED THE KILL TO TRICMAGIC.That would be me.
I am also a bus driver. I can do two night actions and I'm not explaining how.
Last night I wiped Jim's auto and bus drived 4mask and Tric, expecting mafia to try to kill 4mask.
4mask and Max were my top suspects, true, but also the best kill targets besides myself. Which mafia are probably kicking themselves they didn't do as I am all powerful."I am a god. How can you kill a god?"
The frustrating thing about this is that ToonyMan is probably town.YEAH NOBODY ACTUALLY TARGETS TRICMAGIC HERE, SO GOOD JOB TO WHOEVER REDIRECTED THE KILL TO TRICMAGIC.That would be me.
I am also a bus driver. I can do two night actions and I'm not explaining how.
Last night I wiped Jim's auto and bus drived 4mask and Tric, expecting mafia to try to kill 4mask.
It appears they followed my expectations and killed the immortal Tric instead.
Therefore, Tric and 4mask are guaranteed town as that was certainly the mafia kill unless someone wants to claim it?
The frustrating thing about this is that ToonyMan is probably town.How is that frustrating?
What does that even leave me with? I guess a no lynch is a viable option.Haha, no.
Because most of what you're saying doesn't make sense and I want it to be a scumtell.The frustrating thing about this is that ToonyMan is probably town.How is that frustrating?
Who did you target?I don't quite see how that's any of your business.
Here, I'll fullclaim if you do, but let's both save it for later in the day.
If nobody claims to have moved the kill, we should reflect on which players one might expect not to know that TricMagic would have been gloating truthfully. I think I have a clear answer in mind.
Answer some questions already. Getting to the bottom of this is important. Saying you got an idea on the who, then voting no lynch?The frustrating thing about this is that ToonyMan is probably town.How is that frustrating?What does that even leave me with? I guess a no lynch is a viable option.Haha, no.
Saying you got an idea on the who, then voting no lynch?...I said I had a clear idea who to suspect if nobody claims to have done what ToonyMan claimed to do. So, after ToonyMan claimed to do it, that idea doesn't matter as much, unless I assume ToonyMan is a godfather and made up the bus thing, which I guess is possible, but why would a mafia ToonyMan have agreed to target you?
Hey gang. I'm NQT and I have replaced Knightwing. Just catching up with things.Why would you claim that when I'm trying to get results out of Max...
I tracked Roden last night and he is apparently untrackable. Euchrejack also claimed to be untrackable but Roden only claimed Miller. Maybe we really do have three untrackable millers... but it would be simpler to believe that there's a mafia member among the claimants.
Trying to make sense of the EOD. This spread never finds scum:Vote Count
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Vector - 3 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424), 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362078#msg8362078), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362088#msg8362088),
Jim Groovester - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361883#msg8361883),
ToonyMan - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362051#msg8362051),
4maskwolf - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361926#msg8361926),
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Roden - 1 - Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
So what do we see? Town!Vector was lynched with a minority vote while the rest of the votes were smattered about. How did it get here? This is what it was like a day before:Vote count program has been updated to account for WHEN a player was voted! Votes are now ordered chronologically (Non-voters are still sorted alphabetically.)!
Vote Count
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4maskwolf - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Maximum Spin - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361437#msg8361437),
Roden - 3 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8360953#msg8360953), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388),
TricMagic - 0 -
Vector - 2 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361201#msg8361201), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424),
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361282#msg8361282), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361444#msg8361444),
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~28 hours remaining).
What jumps out? Roden parked a vote that was going nowhere for the whole end 28 hours+ of the day. Roden, why were you content to sit on a vote that was doing nothing? Toonyman, where you just pleased you narrowly avoided being launched or...?
I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff, despite something of a read back. These BYOR games are always hypercomplex. What do people think are the standout points so far?
Tch. Was hoping to catch you more firmly, given we have no idea who you targeted. Town doesn't have a reason to save their result till later unless it's actually important, so you had better have a hell of an ace.Saying you got an idea on the who, then voting no lynch?...I said I had a clear idea who to suspect if nobody claims to have done what ToonyMan claimed to do. So, after ToonyMan claimed to do it, that idea doesn't matter as much, unless I assume ToonyMan is a godfather and made up the bus thing, which I guess is possible, but why would a mafia ToonyMan have agreed to target you?
I don't care what looks bad to you, you know that, right? I'm not answering your questions when I already told someone ELSE that the same questions should be saved for later. I don't owe you anything.
So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.What
Don't worry Max, I'm voting Roden or NQT today because one of them is mafia.Well, those are my top picks; I just figured people usually wouldn't vote out a sub-in right away.
So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM THIS (the part about losing your auto specifically). I don't even know why you'd do it n1, but then actually claiming it is so much worse. You were the closest thing available to confirmed town, and everyone would have assumed you couldn't be killed after it was visibly demonstrated.
Town doesn't have a reason to save their result till laterand apparently you really believe that's true.
Soooo.. MAx. Good buddy, pal, compadre. Why did you vote Vector last second?Sure, I'll answer this one: because I told Jim I would.
On the plus side, Tric is 99% town or absolutely insane."or"
Pretty much. I was more worring about town going with false information, we already know 4mask likely targeted Jim.So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.What
Okay, so I have no idea who mafia tried to kill anymore and 4mask isn't confirmed town.
Jim did you get my present?
Sometimes I do this thing where I refer obliquely to deducible information because I want to make sure at least a few people will notice it, while leaving open the possibility that the mafia might miss or misunderstand it and fail to take it into account.
Jim, be honest with me, I shouldn't even bother, right? Just like last time, someone always misses the memo and tries to give the answer.
We're not no lynching tonight. If we have a Vig, they'll put us back on odds.I didn't see this. Are you softclaiming vig? Because that won't make me answer you, it'll just make me really disappointed in you.
Max, claim who you targeted or die.
We know 4mask didn't do the kill if Jim speaks up about the present.This isn't true. I am confirming that doing two actions at night is possible.
Having Town working off faulty info is far far worse. Having Toony redirect a kill into the doctor is far far worse. Being confirmed town when there is clearly a break in logic is far far far far worse on later days. Cause by that point the damage is already done.So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM THIS (the part about losing your auto specifically). I don't even know why you'd do it n1, but then actually claiming it is so much worse. You were the closest thing available to confirmed town, and everyone would have assumed you couldn't be killed after it was visibly demonstrated.
Oh right, because you said:Town doesn't have a reason to save their result till laterand apparently you really believe that's true.Soooo.. MAx. Good buddy, pal, compadre. Why did you vote Vector last second?Sure, I'll answer this one: because I told Jim I would.
TricMagic: Did you temporarily die because of that action specifically?
everyone would have assumed you couldn't be killed after it was visibly demonstrated.This is untrue. All townies would know I couldn't be killed. Or third parties if they exist. Mafia knows something is up unless they targeted 4mask. Giving them the information advantage AND a town befuddled with a false night report.
Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.I mean, you could claim? Unvote for now.
Ok then, if you want to game throw that isn't on me.We're not no lynching tonight. If we have a Vig, they'll put us back on odds.I didn't see this. Are you softclaiming vig? Because that won't make me answer you, it'll just make me really disappointed in you.
Max, claim who you targeted or die.
Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.Funny enough I believe I can in fact guess your role and target last night.
@Tric:
I don't mind you using your sacrifice to stop anyone from dying last night (even if it makes me look way less cool), but you're revealing critical points about your role FOR NO REASON.
You're not exactly off the hook either Toony. Claiming a double ability could very well just be a mafia cover to hide the fact mafia got blocked. A gutsy one, but not completely unexpected.Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.Funny enough I believe I can in fact guess your role and target last night.
So yeah, we're not voting Max today.
Tric, just to make sure I understand your role, you're claiming that if Jack dies, you'll also die? And that he's the only one you can't protect with your Doc ability? If so, why did you tell everyone this...?If Jack dies, I would lose my revivial. As I lost my auto already, that's no longer an issue. I wouldn't actually die after he did, just become mortal.
Oh, ok that's a lot less devastating then.Tric, just to make sure I understand your role, you're claiming that if Jack dies, you'll also die? And that he's the only one you can't protect with your Doc ability? If so, why did you tell everyone this...?If Jack dies, I would lose my revivial. As I lost my auto already, that's no longer an issue. I wouldn't actually die after he did, just become mortal.
Also @Toony: I can't die but I'm also immune to all actions. So in case you were wondering, no, bus swapping me with the suspected kill target won't work.I will most likely swap Tric with another player and hope Tric can guess the mafia kill himself, but I make no hard-claims what I'll be doing tonight.
The problem with me swapping Tric with someone is that if I do that and mafia just try to kill Tric then the other player will die and doctor's can't typically self-protect so it's a guaranteed kill, not very bueno.Try to swap Tric with mafia.
Okay. I knew I could count on you to pick it up.Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.Funny enough I believe I can in fact guess your role and target last night.
So yeah, we're not voting Max today.
You're right, that gives mafia a huge risk if they try to kill Tric.The problem with me swapping Tric with someone is that if I do that and mafia just try to kill Tric then the other player will die and doctor's can't typically self-protect so it's a guaranteed kill, not very bueno.Try to swap Tric with mafia.
Anyone else get the feeling the team is Toony/Max?Tric, use your brain for a second. Think about the setup. Think about what players have claimed. Think about what players have not claimed.
Quick correction, Toony claimed to bus 4mask, not me.Thanks. Course I missed a Typo.[=quote=TricMagic edited]
Also for you Jack. (https://youtu.be/6LLCrKLZdlY?t=1770) Probably should have added this to the end of notes before posting. Would you also step up to clarify the message linked in my claimant notes?[/quote]
Prior to Roden/my reveal, Toony planned to vote NQT and Roden. I'd like to hear their reasoning. (https://youtu.be/6LLCrKLZdlY?t=1980)Not both, only one. The other should be town. This was also before I learned 4mask isn't confirmed town.
Toony asked me to think about who hasn't claimed. But that really only points fingers at Jim and Jack, our two millers. (3 counting you.) Figuring out what happened last night can lead to tripping mafia up tomorrow, if not today.No, no Tric. Not who hasn't claimed. What hasn't been claimed?
...That doesn't actually help. But fine, I'll bite. Mind taking me through your thoughts on why NQT/Roden as your likely mafia?Prior to Roden/my reveal, Toony planned to vote NQT and Roden. I'd like to hear their reasoning. (https://youtu.be/6LLCrKLZdlY?t=1980)Not both, only one. The other should be town. This was also before I learned 4mask isn't confirmed town.Toony asked me to think about who hasn't claimed. But that really only points fingers at Jim and Jack, our two millers. (3 counting you.) Figuring out what happened last night can lead to tripping mafia up tomorrow, if not today.No, no Tric. Not who hasn't claimed. What hasn't been claimed?
Also don't think I didn't notice that deflection MaxSpin. Jim may have asked you to vote, but doing so right at the last second is way too much.That's when I was there. If I had been there sooner after the other guys changed, I would have voted sooner. I only noticed I was right under the wire afterward.
I suspect Max for voting Vector to save Toony at the literal last minuteI didn't vote to save Toony. I voted to lynch Vector, which I had already started doing before, remember? I tried to get people to vote Vector before I ever voted ToonyMan.
We're not no lynching tonight. If we have a Vig, they'll put us back on odds.
Max, claim who you targeted or die.
Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.
Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.Funny enough I believe I can in fact guess your role and target last night.
So yeah, we're not voting Max today.
Anyone else get the feeling the team is Toony/Max?
Tric, just to make sure I understand your role, you're claiming that if Jack dies, you'll also die? And that he's the only one you can't protect with your Doc ability? If so, why did you tell everyone this...?Roden, no role fishing disguised as criticism. This was quite effective in getting Tric to clarify some things that would have better off confused.
Also for you Jack. (https://youtu.be/6LLCrKLZdlY?t=1770) Probably should have added this to the end of notes before posting. Would you also step up to clarify the message linked in my claimant notes?
To clarify, I am NOT a Death Miller.
I am just a Regular Miller.
But I am also a Ninja/Unblockable, which can be tested.
Also: WTF Web? You promised us Low Power Roles! Yet if mine is anything to go by, I'd say Superpower'd with Weaknesses would be more accurate.I will say this though: two specific players feel a little off. It's a meta read, and the game still barely just started, so I won't say who they are yet since I don't want to tip them off. If it persists, I'll say who they are before the day ends.Good call. Although tragedy has struck the House of EJ, so I at least have a marginal excuse.
@Roden: Are you buying what 4mask & Toonyman are selling?I'm not but I don't think both are mafia. It would be funny if it was mafia vs 3P but I don't think it's particularly likely.
Btw to answer the previous question: the two players who are off-meta are Tric and Max. Tric hasn't been playing detective much, and Max is contributing a lot for Day 1, way more than usual, which he's only done one other time when he rolled scum. But with Tric's claim I think he's just town, which just leaves Max. However, Max softed something pro-town, so I'm mixed there.
Jim did you get my present?
Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.
So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.
Anyone else get the feeling the team is Toony/Max?
Having Town working off faulty info is far far worse. Having Toony redirect a kill into the doctor is far far worse. Being confirmed town when there is clearly a break in logic is far far far far worse on later days. Cause by that point the damage is already done.So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CLAIM THIS (the part about losing your auto specifically). I don't even know why you'd do it n1, but then actually claiming it is so much worse. You were the closest thing available to confirmed town, and everyone would have assumed you couldn't be killed after it was visibly demonstrated.
Oh right, because you said:Town doesn't have a reason to save their result till laterand apparently you really believe that's true.Soooo.. MAx. Good buddy, pal, compadre. Why did you vote Vector last second?Sure, I'll answer this one: because I told Jim I would.
TricMagic: Did you temporarily die because of that action specifically?
As is, now toony A: Knows I'm no longer immune to death, and B: can bus me around. This is just icing though, I wanted claims to be made so this reveal could pick apart the real inconsistency. And as you having claimed despite repeated proddings? Not even a target last night, not a peep.
Last..Quoteeveryone would have assumed you couldn't be killed after it was visibly demonstrated.This is untrue. All townies would know I couldn't be killed. Or third parties if they exist. Mafia knows something is up unless they targeted 4mask. Giving them the information advantage AND a town befuddled with a false night report.Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.I mean, you could claim? Unvote for now.
Nah, I don't buy that.Also don't think I didn't notice that deflection MaxSpin. Jim may have asked you to vote, but doing so right at the last second is way too much.That's when I was there. If I had been there sooner after the other guys changed, I would have voted sooner. I only noticed I was right under the wire afterward.I suspect Max for voting Vector to save Toony at the literal last minuteI didn't vote to save Toony. I voted to lynch Vector, which I had already started doing before, remember? I tried to get people to vote Vector before I ever voted ToonyMan.
Vote Count revamped again! Highest vote counts are on top! Wondering if top should be bolded, so for now it is.
Vote Count
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Jim Groovester - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361883#msg8361883),
ToonyMan - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361953#msg8361953),
Vector - 2 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361201#msg8361201), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424),
4maskwolf - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361926#msg8361926),
EuchreJack - 1 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361690#msg8361690),
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Roden - 1 - Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
Maximum Spin - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 0 -
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (2 hours and 23 minutes remaining.)
Vote CountVector was one of the leading wagons for awhile. And during this time you only wanted to vote them because of their double vote, not because you thought they were mafia.
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4maskwolf - 2 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361926#msg8361926), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362025#msg8362025),
Jim Groovester - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361883#msg8361883),
Vector - 2 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361201#msg8361201), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424),
EuchreJack - 1 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361690#msg8361690),
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Roden - 1 - Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388),
Maximum Spin - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 0 -
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (1 hours and 0 minutes remaining.)
Sure, okay, let's bandwagon this thing, might as well. ToonyManOnce you see it isn't going through, you swap over to Toony. You don't really give a reason for it besides just wanting to lynch anyone you can.
As long as I get to lynch somebody.
Vector
Vote CountToony is now the leading wagon. You're going to get exactly what you said you wanted. But then 4mask votes Vector, putting them one vote behind Toony.
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ToonyMan - 3 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361388#msg8361388), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362051#msg8362051), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362052#msg8362052),
Jim Groovester - 2 - Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361883#msg8361883),
Vector - 2 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424), 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362078#msg8362078),
4maskwolf - 1 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361926#msg8361926),
Knightwing64 - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361229#msg8361229),
Roden - 1 - Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361241#msg8361241),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 0 -
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 24, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (0 hours and 3 minutes remaining.)
Even though you're supposedly fine with voting out Toony, you still swap back to Vector and don't give anyone enough time to react. But even though your "preferred" elim went through and flipped town, you haven't done anything to reevaluate.Btw to answer the previous question: the two players who are off-meta are Tric and Max. Tric hasn't been playing detective much, and Max is contributing a lot for Day 1, way more than usual,I am?QuoteHowever, Max softed something pro-town, so I'm mixed there.I did???
I legitimately don't remember doing that, could you remind me when? I thought I'd been keeping pretty close-vested this time.
Vector
Jack idk what you're doing but you're really not helping.
Tric - MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8361424#msg8361424)
Vector was one of the leading wagons for awhile. And during this time you only wanted to vote them because of their double vote, not because you thought they were mafia.I didn't give any reason for my vote and explicitly rejected, a few times, people's assertion that I was voting because of the double vote.
Even though you're supposedly fine with voting out Toony, you still swap back to Vector and don't give anyone enough time to react. But even though your "preferred" elim went through and flipped town, you haven't done anything to reevaluate.You know I started the Vector wagon, right? BOTH times, since the second time, I explicitly said I would switch to Vector if other people voted Vector - and 4mask voted after asking Jim what to vote after I had endorsed voting Vector to Jim. I won't assert that 4mask isn't suspicious and have no issue with you suspecting him, but he didn't bait me into anything.
From your point of view, if you're town then you should have reason to believe 4mask baited you into hammering Vector. You were notably tunneled on them, scum would've seen it. But instead, you've tried to shut down discussion and got mad at me when I inferred that 4mask is suspicious. You should be interrogating him, hounding him down for answers, but you're not really doing anything. Why?
ALRIGHT.Shouldn't you have seen everyone who did anything visit in either case? That definitely includes me, at least. And if my target was actually secretly 4maskwolf, this is a matter of some inconvenience for me, I hope you can understand. What's the priority on your action?
I REDIRECTED EVERYBODY EXCEPT 4MASKWOLF TO 4MASKWOLF. I ALSO WATCHED TOONYMAN VISIT 4MASKWOLF. I AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN HOW I AM ABLE TO DO BOTH OF THESE THINGS.
I DID NOT LOSE ANY AUTOS AND I HAVE NO INDICATION THAT ANYTHING THAT I DID FAILED. I'M SOMEWHAT CONFUSED BY THE RESULTS IN THIS CASE. A COUPLE POINTS OF CONFUSION AND OBSERVATION:
I) IF TOONYMAN IS TELLING THE TRUTH, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT EVERYTHING, INCLUDING MY OWN ACTION TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF, WOULD HAVE TARGETED TRICMAGIC, SO I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD HAVE SEEN MORE THAN JUST TOONYMAN.
Basically the rolefish accusations aren't helping. Tric has more or less already full claimed but in a way that's very scattered and hard to follow. And even though he's spewed himself town by now, I'm trying to understand how he can have such a powerful role while town also supposedly has a Bus Driver that can protect him, and I'm a Commuter with an emergency Vig shot. I don't want to mech solve because it can easily backfire, but you have to admit, town power is kinda nuts.Jack idk what you're doing but you're really not helping.
Could you explain this further?
Your last two posts actually give you some town points, so let me know what you are doing, and maybe I can be less unhelpful.
Shouldn't you have seen everyone who did anything visit in either case? That definitely includes me, at least. And if my target was actually secretly 4maskwolf, this is a matter of some inconvenience for me, I hope you can understand. What's the priority on your action?
Yay Jim got my present!@4maskwolf: I don't believe you.
And also apparently tried to get me killed on his behalf which I'm quite cross about.
For the record, my only action last night was a free action so I could, in theory, have done something else. But I don't have any actions to use lmao (not technically true but I gave away my only action).
Toony I always nitpick stuff you say, I do it because I love you <3
Actually I do it because you're the player here whose wolf game makes me the most nervous so I'm constantly vigilant around the things you say in thread.
Jim's role redirecting everything that targeted him to 4mask. Also my Sacrifice is P1, so would need something of similar or higher speed for it to be messed with.Unfortunately, my role is designed to very much look like scum even though I'm town.
Also, this makes 3 millers that can't really be messed with. For some reason. And of them, EuchreJackis the most suspicious since he says he can't be tracked or affected, but can be killed.
By the same manner, Max is holding back information, telling people to infer what he did. And the only action that hasn't been claimed is alignment investigation. But here's the important bit, mislynching today makes Day 3 far worse for town. There is simply too much confusion.
You're welcome to yell at me Toony, but I'm calling Max out. Reveal or perish. If he's correct/town, it seems I'm capable of protecting them. If not, they're on the chopping block.'Max has claimed as much as they need to claim. But frankly, its so painfully obvious they might as well claim, as I'm sure mafia has seen through Max entirely.
APPARENTLY IT REDIRECTED ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGETED ME TO 4MASKWOLF.So my auto-wipe that targeted you went to 4mask, but then because I swapped 4mask and Tric I actually ended up auto-wiping Tric anyway.
And the only action that hasn't been claimed is alignment investigation.Ding ding ding!
My role is quite powerful in its own right, but I do lack any form of repeatable night action.Yay Jim got my present!@4maskwolf: I don't believe you.
And also apparently tried to get me killed on his behalf which I'm quite cross about.
For the record, my only action last night was a free action so I could, in theory, have done something else. But I don't have any actions to use lmao (not technically true but I gave away my only action).
Toony I always nitpick stuff you say, I do it because I love you <3
Actually I do it because you're the player here whose wolf game makes me the most nervous so I'm constantly vigilant around the things you say in thread.
The roles already mentioned, plus my own, would indicate that you should have more power than that.
So you're either lying Town or lying Mafia.
Uh, noAPPARENTLY IT REDIRECTED ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGETED ME TO 4MASKWOLF.So my auto-wipe that targeted you went to 4mask, but then because I swapped 4mask and Tric I actually ended up auto-wiping Tric anyway.
That's kind of hilarious, good thing they blew their load on N1 anyway.And the only action that hasn't been claimed is alignment investigation.Ding ding ding!
Millers don't mean anything without a cop. Max has softed he's our Cop and also Role Cop. I believe he targeted Jack last night and had their result fail. Which means Jack is telling the truth about that part at least or is in cahoots with Max. I was thinking that the only players that could be our cop now were Max or 4mask, but 4mask isn't so Max is town.
Saying you got an idea on the who, then voting no lynch?...I said I had a clear idea who to suspect if nobody claims to have done what ToonyMan claimed to do. So, after ToonyMan claimed to do it, that idea doesn't matter as much, unless I assume ToonyMan is a godfather and made up the bus thing, which I guess is possible, but why would a mafia ToonyMan have agreed to target you?
I don't care what looks bad to you, you know that, right? I'm not answering your questions when I already told someone ELSE that the same questions should be saved for later. I don't owe you anything.
UnvoteGenerally pre-vigging one of them makes more sense. At the moment NQT says they tracked you and your active ability blocked it. Unless your vig shot is instead a night kill, in which case it won't clear you.
Didn't really need all of that, but alright. I thought the crumb was that you targeted a Miller (specifically me) and I was going to consider it a scum claim.
However now it looks like the PoE is just me/NQT/4mask/Jack. I still town read Jack + I know I'm town and can prove it with my Vig shot. Am I right to think voting out one of NQT/4mask and then having me Vig the other wins the game?
Max inspected you Toonyman. Made a comment about how you're town unless Godfather.Oh, I'm dumb.
However now it looks like the PoE is just me/NQT/4mask/Jack. I still town read Jack + I know I'm town and can prove it with my Vig shot. Am I right to think voting out one of NQT/4mask and then having me Vig the other wins the game?If you're town I do believe the mafia is in fact just NQT and 4mask.
Also for what it's worth: I still believe all 3 of The Millers more than 4mask (and Knightwing/NQT).Fair enough.. I do have a question. 4mask gave a present to Jim, but I don't think Jim said he recieved a present, just that he redirected it to 4mask. I assume you got a message saying your bussing succeeded, so wouldn't I have received it? But I never actually got anything,
I mean if two people die at once you'll know I'm a Vig + that'll be the only time I'm vulnerable so I'll flip tonight regardless, as scum really can't afford not to kill me.UnvoteGenerally pre-vigging one of them makes more sense. At the moment NQT says they tracked you and your active ability blocked it. Unless your vig shot is instead a night kill, in which case it won't clear you.
Didn't really need all of that, but alright. I thought the crumb was that you targeted a Miller (specifically me) and I was going to consider it a scum claim.
However now it looks like the PoE is just me/NQT/4mask/Jack. I still town read Jack + I know I'm town and can prove it with my Vig shot. Am I right to think voting out one of NQT/4mask and then having me Vig the other wins the game?
We can probably assume one of the millers happens to be lying however. Jim redirects, Jack is just plain unaffectable, and you have an activated hide ability.. And reasoning for not lynching you.No it's counter balance to my role since I technically omitted something that I may as well claim now. I also have a 1-shot Doctor, which is why I said town seems to have an obscene amount of power. I was going to use it tonight to cover whoever would be left exposed after everyone else's protection and bus swapping went through, but it doesn't really matter now since my duty at this point is to blast the PoE then die.
Is there a reason not to lynch you today? The hammerer gets your abilities, but I'm starting to think that's just a lie. Or if it is true it's to counterbalance your strength as mafia.
Everyone: Which miller do you believe least?I town read the other two, but gun to my head I'd say Jim. I just don't believe Web gives town two protection roles who are hard to kill, as well as two redirecting roles.
As far as I'm aware everything I did was successful.Also for what it's worth: I still believe all 3 of The Millers more than 4mask (and Knightwing/NQT).Fair enough.. I do have a question. 4mask gave a present to Jim, but I don't think Jim said he recieved a present, just that he redirected it to 4mask. I assume you got a message saying your bussing succeeded, so wouldn't I have received it? But I never actually got anything,other than the knife that showed up at the beginning of the days post in thread.And that bits more lore than anything else.
Jim said he received something, but he's smartly not claiming what it is. I'm not told what priority my giving items "action" is but I assume it outspeeds any disruption just for simplicity's sake. All I know is that the item did leave my possession.Also for what it's worth: I still believe all 3 of The Millers more than 4mask (and Knightwing/NQT).Fair enough.. I do have a question. 4mask gave a present to Jim, but I don't think Jim said he recieved a present, just that he redirected it to 4mask. I assume you got a message saying your bussing succeeded, so wouldn't I have received it? But I never actually got anything,other than the knife that showed up at the beginning of the days post in thread.And that bits more lore than anything else.
I don't think that's possible this time, our voting options are a lot more clear today.Really?
Do you have a problem with anyone's claims or results?I don't think that's possible this time, our voting options are a lot more clear today.Really?
Everyone has differing opinions, and nobody is cleared.
Jim said he received something, but he's smartly not claiming what it is. I'm not told what priority my giving items "action" is but I assume it outspeeds any disruption just for simplicity's sake. All I know is that the item did leave my possession.4maskwolf, I don't buy it, I know for a fact that there is a specific numerical priority for free actions that "outspeed everything else" and I do not believe that you, specifically, have your priorities hidden.
I WANT TO CLAIM MY NIGHT 1 RESULTS SINCE I EXPECT THEY SHOULD BE VERY INTERESTING BUT I AM CHECKING IN WITH WEBADICT ABOUT SOMETHING FIRST.
IN THE MEANTIME,Jim did you get my present?
I DID RECEIVE SOMETHING, YES.Followup I realized I should have added right after I hit post: I'm about to leave the house, but, in case you do irrationally daykill me while I'm away, I think I've left enough hints that people can put together my target last night along with my flip.
I THINK I ALMOST UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING.So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.
DOES USING THIS ABILITY ALSO KILL YOU?Anyone else get the feeling the team is Toony/Max?
NAH.
4mask not reacting to it at all is pretty badYep. I'm saying they're 100% mafia in every post and there's nothing...
I was worried scum could have a Roleblocker and stop my Vig that way, but no one seemed to have an issue with their action last night except NQT, who only failed because I Commuted, so I doubt one exists.
I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but the town vs mafia power disparity feels very off. I would've expected at least a blocker of some kind, but without one I'm just confused about what exactly they're supposed to do. Does anyone else feel this way?
2. Jack what did you do last night? Did I miss it?
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.Hey, I'm taking back what I said before. You don't get credit if you didn't figure it out on your own!
My ability to hand off items it attached to an auto, and thus has no listed priority.Jim said he received something, but he's smartly not claiming what it is. I'm not told what priority my giving items "action" is but I assume it outspeeds any disruption just for simplicity's sake. All I know is that the item did leave my possession.4maskwolf, I don't buy it, I know for a fact that there is a specific numerical priority for free actions that "outspeed everything else" and I do not believe that you, specifically, have your priorities hidden.
EuchreJack. I feel like it's 4mask and Jack if Jim is town.
Or Vector is one of the mafia and I have no idea who the other is, but not much I can do about that.
4mask say something only town!4mask would say and I'll vote Tric. I think he's the biggest hit between Jack/Tric/Max if you're town.Toonyman
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Re: Jim and townreads I’d seen it said so much (including by me) that I was wondering if he was just threadspewed town at that point, only to find out it was only about half the thread.
I got a mafia result on Roden.Is this a serious claim?
I'm comfortable voting somewhere in 4mask/Knightwing/Vector. I know the latter two typically don't post much but they feel extra lurky.
Vector
Max SpinI am only one person.
Their play is really weird. They turn on Vector with basically no reason. Just pure wagonning. Is it because Vector hasn't posted much? If so, why not say? They really don't give much that's good to work with. After my D2 read back, I'm going to drill down on this one.
4mask, who does Roden shoot if you flip town? Jack still?Eh. Gun to head have to answer now I'd say yeah but I haven't really had a chance to evaluate my reads based on everything that's happened. I had some thoughts overnight about Max but they claimed cop so I have to reevaluate, and I was enjoying a lazy weekend before the new term.
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Interesting. NQT already claimed Tracker.I was worried scum could have a Roleblocker and stop my Vig that way, but no one seemed to have an issue with their action last night except NQT, who only failed because I Commuted, so I doubt one exists.
I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but the town vs mafia power disparity feels very off. I would've expected at least a blocker of some kind, but without one I'm just confused about what exactly they're supposed to do. Does anyone else feel this way?
Well, if you have multiple abilities, it stands to reason that mafia has multiple abilities. Thus, they probably have a roleblocker that they didn't use.
Additionally, we won't know the mafia vs. town power balance until the game is over.2. Jack what did you do last night? Did I miss it?
I didn't claim.
Since everyone has claimed, I might as well.
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.
That's not true, you already claimed it was a free action.My ability to hand off items it attached to an auto, and thus has no listed priority.Jim said he received something, but he's smartly not claiming what it is. I'm not told what priority my giving items "action" is but I assume it outspeeds any disruption just for simplicity's sake. All I know is that the item did leave my possession.4maskwolf, I don't buy it, I know for a fact that there is a specific numerical priority for free actions that "outspeed everything else" and I do not believe that you, specifically, have your priorities hidden.
Please just answer the question.I can be inspected and will flip mafia.will flip mafia.Do I think Webadict would have a town role that flips mafia in a non-bastard?
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I don't. You're interpreting incorrectly or lying.You tell me.I got a mafia result on Roden.Is this a serious claim?
This is considered a freak out I guess lolI figured that's what you were doing, but I wanted to be sure on the off chance you actually did have a N0 inspect on me, since I'm a Miller.Please just answer the question.I would love to keep this up, but the no nonsense attitude is kind of a bummer. I am unsure if a mafia!Roden would behave this way.
I'm kidding about having a N0 (or immediate D1 action?) inspect on Roden because that's incredibly stupid. It's a joke because I've been framing Roden in the last few games. I can't believe I have to answer this straight-faced for him when he complained about me doing this in the last game and should know what I'm doing.
Anyway, probably town for now....You too? So Jack, you, and me are all claiming Miller now.Jim Groovester is redpeeked, all aboard!
I'M A MILLER.
NOT THAT YOU WERE SERIOUS ABOUT IT ANYWAY.
Any other Millers we should know about?
Interesting. NQT already claimed Tracker.I was worried scum could have a Roleblocker and stop my Vig that way, but no one seemed to have an issue with their action last night except NQT, who only failed because I Commuted, so I doubt one exists.
I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but the town vs mafia power disparity feels very off. I would've expected at least a blocker of some kind, but without one I'm just confused about what exactly they're supposed to do. Does anyone else feel this way?
Well, if you have multiple abilities, it stands to reason that mafia has multiple abilities. Thus, they probably have a roleblocker that they didn't use.
Additionally, we won't know the mafia vs. town power balance until the game is over.2. Jack what did you do last night? Did I miss it?
I didn't claim.
Since everyone has claimed, I might as well.
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.
Yes. I have an auto that tells me I can give away the items it gives me as a free action. It does not, however, provide a priority, since it's, y'know, an auto.Interesting. NQT already claimed Tracker.I was worried scum could have a Roleblocker and stop my Vig that way, but no one seemed to have an issue with their action last night except NQT, who only failed because I Commuted, so I doubt one exists.
I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but the town vs mafia power disparity feels very off. I would've expected at least a blocker of some kind, but without one I'm just confused about what exactly they're supposed to do. Does anyone else feel this way?
Well, if you have multiple abilities, it stands to reason that mafia has multiple abilities. Thus, they probably have a roleblocker that they didn't use.
Additionally, we won't know the mafia vs. town power balance until the game is over.2. Jack what did you do last night? Did I miss it?
I didn't claim.
Since everyone has claimed, I might as well.
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.That's not true, you already claimed it was a free action.My ability to hand off items it attached to an auto, and thus has no listed priority.Jim said he received something, but he's smartly not claiming what it is. I'm not told what priority my giving items "action" is but I assume it outspeeds any disruption just for simplicity's sake. All I know is that the item did leave my possession.4maskwolf, I don't buy it, I know for a fact that there is a specific numerical priority for free actions that "outspeed everything else" and I do not believe that you, specifically, have your priorities hidden.
I think what is bothering me the most about 4maskwolf is that their claim is confusing.Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Literally the only person on that list who can be a wolf is NQT.
Even Jim's claim at least makes some marginal sense.
Now, I know what I have. And others have shared what they have. So, we know that most players have:
Auto
Ability 1
Ability 2
Now, there may be variations on that. But I just can't make sense of 4maskwolf. Which is exactly how scum would play, since mafia probably have:
Auto
Ability 1
Ability 2
Mafiakill
With the abilities in mafia hands likely being only useful to scum, or marginally useful for town.Interesting. NQT already claimed Tracker.I was worried scum could have a Roleblocker and stop my Vig that way, but no one seemed to have an issue with their action last night except NQT, who only failed because I Commuted, so I doubt one exists.
I probably sound like a broken record at this point, but the town vs mafia power disparity feels very off. I would've expected at least a blocker of some kind, but without one I'm just confused about what exactly they're supposed to do. Does anyone else feel this way?
Well, if you have multiple abilities, it stands to reason that mafia has multiple abilities. Thus, they probably have a roleblocker that they didn't use.
Additionally, we won't know the mafia vs. town power balance until the game is over.2. Jack what did you do last night? Did I miss it?
I didn't claim.
Since everyone has claimed, I might as well.
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.
Credit where credit is due, good point Roden. For now, I can accept two town trackers. But I'll add NQT to my POE.
I would say my POE is 4maskwolf/NQT/Jim. Roden is on the periphery, but I think Roden is town.
Honestly it'll make more sense if I claim my role so I'll just do that. I kinda expected to be entirely role-wiped by Toony last night but I wasn't actually auto-wiped by Toonyman.I find this hard to believe.
I'm a scavenger. I get one-shot items when people die, and they appear to be at least loosely based on their role based on the two I've received so far. The auto that provides my scavenging ability also tells me I can give them away as a free action, but does not provide what priority that action is. It's also my only ability, barring the ones I get from scavenging.
I would say my POE is 4maskwolf/NQT/Jim. Roden is on the periphery, but I think Roden is town.Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Literally the only person on that list who can be a wolf is NQT.
I would say my POE is 4maskwolf/NQT/Jim. Roden is on the periphery, but I think Roden is town.Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Literally the only person on that list who can be a wolf is NQT.
I wasn't actually including Roden, just the first three. I'm sorry, by the way. I'm having a bad day but I shouldn't have taken it out on you. My comment was excessively rude.I would say my POE is 4maskwolf/NQT/Jim. Roden is on the periphery, but I think Roden is town.Stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Literally the only person on that list who can be a wolf is NQT.
Now this I would like to hear. How have you managed to clear Jim & Roden?
---DAMNIT, this is how it should appear-----
Honestly it'll make more sense if I claim my role so I'll just do that. I kinda expected to be entirely role-wiped by Toony last night but I wasn't actually auto-wiped by Toonyman.
I'm a scavenger. I get one-shot items when people die, and they appear to be at least loosely based on their role based on the two I've received so far. The auto that provides my scavenging ability also tells me I can give them away as a free action, but does not provide what priority that action is. It's also my only ability, barring the ones I get from scavenging.
Yes. I can use them myself, so it would be odd if I didn't know what they do.Honestly it'll make more sense if I claim my role so I'll just do that. I kinda expected to be entirely role-wiped by Toony last night but I wasn't actually auto-wiped by Toonyman.
I'm a scavenger. I get one-shot items when people die, and they appear to be at least loosely based on their role based on the two I've received so far. The auto that provides my scavenging ability also tells me I can give them away as a free action, but does not provide what priority that action is. It's also my only ability, barring the ones I get from scavenging.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS ARE AND THE ABILITIES THEY PROVIDE BEFORE YOU GIFT THEM AWAY?
WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ME THE ONE YOU GAVE ME IF YOU COULD USE IT YOURSELF?Because I trust you and expected to die by some fuckery last night, be it a misguided town vigilante, the mafia, a third party, or a redirected kill of some sort. For understandable reasons I wasn't going to give just anyone that item so I gave it to my top town.
I AM A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR IT SINCE I TYPICALLY DON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO REALLY MATTER.
WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ME THE ONE YOU GAVE ME IF YOU COULD USE IT YOURSELF?Because I trust you and expected to die by some fuckery last night, be it a misguided town vigilante, the mafia, a third party, or a redirected kill of some sort. For understandable reasons I wasn't going to give just anyone that item so I gave it to my top town.
I AM A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR IT SINCE I TYPICALLY DON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO REALLY MATTER.
My response (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4)WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ME THE ONE YOU GAVE ME IF YOU COULD USE IT YOURSELF?Because I trust you and expected to die by some fuckery last night, be it a misguided town vigilante, the mafia, a third party, or a redirected kill of some sort. For understandable reasons I wasn't going to give just anyone that item so I gave it to my top town.
I AM A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR IT SINCE I TYPICALLY DON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO REALLY MATTER.
WHY NOT USE THE ITEM DURING N1?
KNOWING WHAT IT IS IT MAKES SENSE NOT TO, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
Honestly it'll make more sense if I claim my role so I'll just do that. I kinda expected to be entirely role-wiped by Toony last night but I wasn't actually auto-wiped by Toonyman.What item did you get from me then?
I'm a scavenger. I get one-shot items when people die, and they appear to be at least loosely based on their role based on the two I've received so far. The auto that provides my scavenging ability also tells me I can give them away as a free action, but does not provide what priority that action is. It's also my only ability, barring the ones I get from scavenging.
Your clearance is not high enough to access this information.Honestly it'll make more sense if I claim my role so I'll just do that. I kinda expected to be entirely role-wiped by Toony last night but I wasn't actually auto-wiped by Toonyman.What item did you get from me then?
I'm a scavenger. I get one-shot items when people die, and they appear to be at least loosely based on their role based on the two I've received so far. The auto that provides my scavenging ability also tells me I can give them away as a free action, but does not provide what priority that action is. It's also my only ability, barring the ones I get from scavenging.
...I have been informed that giving an item is technically P10 but, despite specifying who I give it to, somehow isn't targeted and thus can't be redirected?WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ME THE ONE YOU GAVE ME IF YOU COULD USE IT YOURSELF?Because I trust you and expected to die by some fuckery last night, be it a misguided town vigilante, the mafia, a third party, or a redirected kill of some sort. For understandable reasons I wasn't going to give just anyone that item so I gave it to my top town.
I AM A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR IT SINCE I TYPICALLY DON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO REALLY MATTER.
My response (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4)
Tric pls....I have been informed that giving an item is technically P10 but, despite specifying who I give it to, somehow isn't targeted and thus can't be redirected?WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO GIVE ME THE ONE YOU GAVE ME IF YOU COULD USE IT YOURSELF?Because I trust you and expected to die by some fuckery last night, be it a misguided town vigilante, the mafia, a third party, or a redirected kill of some sort. For understandable reasons I wasn't going to give just anyone that item so I gave it to my top town.
I AM A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR IT SINCE I TYPICALLY DON'T LIVE LONG ENOUGH FOR IT TO REALLY MATTER.
This, meanwhile, is just freaking odd. Why would giving a dead man a gift save them?
Still doesn't answer what you got from MY death. If it's themed, you have a decent chance of proving your claim.You can either trust Jim's judgement or you can choose not to. What I got off of you is valuable enough I don't want the wolves to be able to play around it short of roleblocking me.
One issue is, we need to trust trust you to trust you. I don't. More likely you're a counter to the powers around, especially if you can just ignore redirects.
...fine. But mafia inventor is a thing, you know?My response (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4)
FAIR ENOUGH.
YOU GUYS ARE JUST TOING TO HAVE TO TRUST ME. WE'RE NOT LYNCHING 4MASKWOLF TODAY.
Still doesn't answer what you got from MY death. If it's themed, you have a decent chance of proving your claim.Tric: If Jim is town, then we need to trust Jim to reveal the item when he deems it necessary, and not before.
I think what is bothering me the most about 4maskwolf is that their claim is confusing.Oh right, since I now think ToonyMan is town, I should stipulate: I have no autos, and never had any autos, which is why I was unconcerned about ToonyMan's auto-wipe. I didn't say this before because I figured there was a shot I might intercept a hostile wipe attempt.
Even Jim's claim at least makes some marginal sense.
Now, I know what I have. And others have shared what they have. So, we know that most players have:
Auto
Ability 1
Ability 2
Ok, but I'm still gonna Vig there.My response (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4)
FAIR ENOUGH.
YOU GUYS ARE JUST TOING TO HAVE TO TRUST ME. WE'RE NOT LYNCHING 4MASKWOLF TODAY.
What did you do last night Max?
Also why did they target Tric? Did they expect him to fake claim? I mean, he has before, but only to pretend his role was stronger than it actually was. It's a weird kill."First one to speculate on the kill choice is scum" is an old tell but it sometimes checks out.
Tric, just to make sure I understand your role, you're claiming that if Jack dies, you'll also die? And that he's the only one you can't protect with your Doc ability? If so, why did you tell everyone this...?
Funny that neither NQT or 4mask have yet to react or respond to the PoE plan.This is the first post where I've properly addressed D2, but go off. Anyway, it's nonsense, clearing people on the flimsiest of pretexts. Exactly the sort of thing I'd expect from mafia!roden.
Not if you're on a mafia team, you're not.Max SpinI am only one person.
Their play is really weird. They turn on Vector with basically no reason. Just pure wagonning. Is it because Vector hasn't posted much? If so, why not say? They really don't give much that's good to work with. After my D2 read back, I'm going to drill down on this one.
Yes. I have an auto that tells me I can give away the items it gives me as a free action. It does not, however, provide a priority, since it's, y'know, an auto.Not seeing why a scum!4mask would claim his power gives things for free when this opens him right back up as the mafiakiller. But, also... this opens him right back up as the mafiakiller!
Everyone else: Do you have two abilities? One ability? Anyone else think they're as weak as 4mask claims to be?My power got the expected fiddliness (one-shots etc) you'd expect from Wuba, but it does essentially do one thing consistently: tracking. Expect a tracking result from me tomorrow.
I mean, sure there is probably a power curve. But I'm not buying the "I'm the only townie+" bit.
Roden - hid as commuter
Though I guess, technically I'm not exactly a Commuter. I don't leave the game for the night, I'm basically just invulnerable unless I put my guard down. I have a 1-shot ability, but I'm saving it until we have less people.Assuming everyone was telling the truth about their actions (though obviously they're not), either Roden or 4mask made the kill. Roden explicitly didn't leave the game, all he did was activate a shield against being messed with. And we know who does that.
@4maskwolf: Please clarify - Did you start with an item that you gave to Jim, then get an item from Tric's death that you plan to use tonight?It was my item I got from Vector's death.
Could you have used your initial item yourself?
NQT why are you still trying to shade me and scum case me when I've already claimed Vig? I get resolved tonight. Also why are you trying to claim a meta read on me? I'm pretty sure we've never played together before.Because you are scum? How are you going to be resolved? Mafia aren't going to kill their own teammate. Or do you think there's a real vig?
Wait when did Max get confirmed to not be a Cop?Hmm, it's quite late here and maybe I mixed up Max and Euchre?
- Why are people taking Max at face value??? People were convinced he was a cop... when he isn't. So...?Um. Why do you think that, exactly?
- Even if we do think Max is town, how is three millers a reasonable spread while somehow two town trackers is beyond the pale???Because "miller" isn't something you do, it's an attachment.
- Why do people think this is 100% town!Tric, as if being self absorbed was a town-only trait?Because we've seen Tric as mafia. This may be hard for someone who has only seen town Tric to believe, but it's kind of... completely the opposite in every way? Sure, he could be faking, but it's hard to convincingly fake naivety.
OK, now I'm out of WoT megaposting hell. My biggest questions for people who don't want to parse all the above:
- Why are people taking Max at face value??? People were convinced he was a cop... when he isn't. So...?
- Why do people think this is 100% town!Tric, as if being self absorbed was a town-only trait?
Ok, but I'm still gonna Vig there.
NQT why are you still trying to shade me and scum case me when I've already claimed Vig? I get resolved tonight. Also why are you trying to claim a meta read on me? I'm pretty sure we've never played together before.
What do you mean "how"...? If I'm fake claiming then the real Vig counter claims by shooting me tonight. If there are no Vigs at all then when two people don't flip tonight it'll be obvious I'm lying. Unless of course a Roleblocker exists, but Jack claimed Tracker and can confirm if I successfully target the person I'm claiming to Vig. All of my bases are covered that prove my innocence.NQT why are you still trying to shade me and scum case me when I've already claimed Vig? I get resolved tonight. Also why are you trying to claim a meta read on me? I'm pretty sure we've never played together before.Because you are scum? How are you going to be resolved? Mafia aren't going to kill their own teammate. Or do you think there's a real vig?Wait when did Max get confirmed to not be a Cop?Hmm, it's quite late here and maybe I mixed up Max and Euchre?
I guess I can track you. It is not as ironclad as you think, but there again, town!Roden logic.What do you mean "how"...? If I'm fake claiming then the real Vig counter claims by shooting me tonight. If there are no Vigs at all then when two people don't flip tonight it'll be obvious I'm lying. Unless of course a Roleblocker exists, but Jack claimed Tracker and can confirm if I successfully target the person I'm claiming to Vig. All of my bases are covered that prove my innocence.NQT why are you still trying to shade me and scum case me when I've already claimed Vig? I get resolved tonight. Also why are you trying to claim a meta read on me? I'm pretty sure we've never played together before.Because you are scum? How are you going to be resolved? Mafia aren't going to kill their own teammate. Or do you think there's a real vig?Wait when did Max get confirmed to not be a Cop?Hmm, it's quite late here and maybe I mixed up Max and Euchre?
@Roden: NQT's is shading you because they is on the chopping block. Jim's "NOT 4MASKWOLF" pretty much puts the focus on NQT, so they really need someone else to get lynched. It makes them scummy for doing it, and your inability to comprehend this is either good acting on your part or further proof of your townness.No I understand what they're doing, I just don't get why they're trying to attack people with confirmable roles. "Role madness" is their only reason given, but uh mafia isn't getting a Vig shot in a 9 player BYOR, especially one that was labeled as "Simple". I feel like they should know this, given their experience and reputation. If they were going to attack anyone, I feel like it should've been Toony or Jim since those would be actually feasible pushes, but maybe that's just my perspective.I guess I can track you. It is not as ironclad as you think, but there again, town!Roden logic.What do you mean "how"...? If I'm fake claiming then the real Vig counter claims by shooting me tonight. If there are no Vigs at all then when two people don't flip tonight it'll be obvious I'm lying. Unless of course a Roleblocker exists, but Jack claimed Tracker and can confirm if I successfully target the person I'm claiming to Vig. All of my bases are covered that prove my innocence.NQT why are you still trying to shade me and scum case me when I've already claimed Vig? I get resolved tonight. Also why are you trying to claim a meta read on me? I'm pretty sure we've never played together before.Because you are scum? How are you going to be resolved? Mafia aren't going to kill their own teammate. Or do you think there's a real vig?Wait when did Max get confirmed to not be a Cop?Hmm, it's quite late here and maybe I mixed up Max and Euchre?
I mean, who else is there to target?Ok, but I'm still gonna Vig there.
ARE YOU SURE YOU HAVE TO?
Maximum Spin do you really think Roden is town in this spot? He's buddying you hard here.I haven't expressed an opinion one way or the other...
@Max: Why did you investigate Toonyman?I don't really remember what I had thought at the time, but if I were back at the end of d1 now and decided to investigate Toony, it would be because he a) never claimed anything that would compromise an investigation, b) seemed likely to live through the night so that it wouldn't be a waste of time, and c) might plausibly have been mafia, especially since he seemed to me to be jumping to a lot of shaky meta conclusions that didn't necessarily hold up. Not that that's alignment-indicative for anyone here necessarily. Finally, if he did turn out to be town, I wanted to, well, try to keep him from blowing the game by locking onto the wrong players.
Hm, do you think that Toony's behavior might have encouraged you to inspect him?No, except possibly in the sense where "behavior" means "the normal way he acts in general, not in this game specifically". In particular, during the day when I was looking at his behavior, I had specifically thought that he might be a godfather and thus a waste of an investigation.
I can't believe people are taking Roden's claim at face value.Roden gives up his abilities to whoever kills him, whether it's via hammer or getting killed.
Maximum Spin do you really think Roden is town in this spot? He's buddying you hard here.Do you believe Max is a cop? What is the point of this vote? You're accusing Roden of buddying Max, but then vote Max?
@Webadict:Typically, no, but that's ignoring all edge cases. I'd require more specific information to answer anything else.
If a one-shot is used, but the action fails, does the one-shot still become spent? What are the cases here?
@Webadict:Typically, no, but that's ignoring all edge cases. I'd require more specific information to answer anything else.
If a one-shot is used, but the action fails, does the one-shot still become spent? What are the cases here?
1. No. Roleblocking would not allow the Player to perform the Action.@Webadict:Typically, no, but that's ignoring all edge cases. I'd require more specific information to answer anything else.
If a one-shot is used, but the action fails, does the one-shot still become spent? What are the cases here?
Does a one-shot get spent if the player is role-blocked?
Does a one-shot get spent if the action fails on the target? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on a bulletproof player.
Does a one-shot get spent if the action succeeds, but because of outside forces the end result doesn't occur? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on someone, but another player made getting killed impossible for that night.
Vote Count
4maskwolf - 3 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362860#msg8362860), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8363232#msg8363232), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8363249#msg8363249),
Is Roden mafia if these facts are true? Almost certainly not.
I'M NOT PLANNING ON HOPPING ON THE WAGON BUT I AM CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THE VOTES STACK UP, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO PLAYERS WHO VOTED HIM PREVIOUSLY AND PLAYERS WHO ARE DEFINITELY POSITIVELY GOING TO SHOOT 4MASKWOLF DURING NIGHT 2.
I'm still voting NQT since it's my preferred vote. Idk who I'm supposed to Vig if not 4mask though. I'm going to need a viable second option if you want to keep him alive Jim.If NQT flips town I'm pretty lost, 4mask would be the best choice but it still leaves me uncomfortable to some things.
I'm still voting NQT since it's my preferred vote. Idk who I'm supposed to Vig if not 4mask though. I'm going to need a viable second option if you want to keep him alive Jim.
You don't seem extremely upset if 4mask dies plus I townread you, but I find 4mask extremely suspicious.
I still think the mafia are just 4mask and NQT.
I'm not sure what you can say for me to vote NQT instead though.
Max is our Cop though. I'd do it if I was a Loyal Vig, but that seems like such a massive risk. I think I want to hear from 4mask and Max about this. I especially want to know who Max intends to target tonight.I'm still voting NQT since it's my preferred vote. Idk who I'm supposed to Vig if not 4mask though. I'm going to need a viable second option if you want to keep him alive Jim.
I GUESS I CAN'T ASK YOU TO SHOOT YOURSELF.
I'LL DO THE SAME THING TOONY DID.
NQT FLIPS TOWN, I SHOOT MAXIMUM SPIN.
NQT FLIPS SCUM, I ACTUALLY PROBABLY SHOOT 4MASKWOLF HERE.
4MASKWOLF FLIPS TOWN, I SHOOT NQT.
4MASKWOLF FLIPS SCUM, I SHOOT NQT OR MAXIMUM SPIN.
IF NQT DIES, TOWN OR SCUM, DO YOU SHOOT 4MASKWOLF?You don't seem extremely upset if 4mask dies plus I townread you, but I find 4mask extremely suspicious.
I'M WEAK TO PARANOIA, ESPECIALLY IN THIS GAME WHERE I'M FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO GET TRACTION ON WHO THE SCUM TEAM ACTUALLY IS.I still think the mafia are just 4mask and NQT.
I'm not sure what you can say for me to vote NQT instead though.
PRETTY PLEASE?
IT'D BE FUNNY IF IT IS NQT AND 4MASKWOLF SINCE IF NQT DIES THEN 4MASKWOLF HAS TO GET THROUGH A NIGHT 2 UNDER REALLY TERRIBLE CIRCUMSTANCES?
I DUNNO MAN.
Max is our Cop though. I'd do it if I was a Loyal Vig, but that seems like such a massive risk. I think I want to hear from 4mask and Max about this. I especially want to know who Max intends to target tonight.
Not as much as you think.Max is our Cop though. I'd do it if I was a Loyal Vig, but that seems like such a massive risk. I think I want to hear from 4mask and Max about this. I especially want to know who Max intends to target tonight.
MAXIMUM SPIN IS RUNNING OUT OF UTILITY FOR BEING A COP. CONSIDER HIS OPTIONS:
4MASKWOLF
EUCHREJACK - MILLER/UNTARGETABLE
JIM GROOVESTER - MILLER
NOTQUITETHERE
RODEN - MILLER
TOONYMAN - N1 TOWN
TRICMAGIC - OBVTOWN
THE TWO MEANINGFUL REMAINING OPTIONS ARE NOTQUITETHERE AND 4MASKWOLF WHO EVERYBODY WANTS TO SOLVE SOON ANYWAY.
I MEAN MAYBE HE DOESN'T THINK TRICMAGIC IS OBVTOWN, BUT REGARDLESS HE'S RUNNING OUT OF STUFF TO DO.
I'm still voting NQT since it's my preferred vote. Idk who I'm supposed to Vig if not 4mask though. I'm going to need a viable second option if you want to keep him alive Jim.If NQT flips town I'm pretty lost, 4mask would be the best choice but it still leaves me uncomfortable to some things.
If NQT flips mafia I'd shoot 4mask. This won't whiff.
If 4mask flips town then I would shoot Jack actually, if that's also a whiff then look into NQT.
If 4mask flips mafia I would shoot NQT and if that's a whiff we'd look at Jim and go from there.
Hi ChickenJimI'M NOT PLANNING ON HOPPING ON THE WAGON BUT I AM CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THE VOTES STACK UP, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO PLAYERS WHO VOTED HIM PREVIOUSLY AND PLAYERS WHO ARE DEFINITELY POSITIVELY GOING TO SHOOT 4MASKWOLF DURING NIGHT 2.
I'M LOOKING AT YOU EUCHREJACK AND RODEN
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO
I'm sorry, why are you even considering lynching me or Jack when Jack is obvtown and I made it clear I didn't want to Vig you?Solely because, if you are town, we don't actually lose any power doing so if town hammers, and it might draw out mafia to hammer for the power, if they're dumb enough.
I'll add another of those evil IF statements:I don't like either. If you think I care which one dies first you're sorely mistaken.
If NQT flips town, I'd shoot Toonyman
Toony's throwing shade on NQT yet votes 4maskwolf. Toony seems to suspect NQT yet prefers to vote 4maskwolf.
I think Max is building to a case on Jim by considering all the claimed Millers as suspects.????
It is a very Cop thing to do.
PRETTY PLEASE?Hrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm
I strongly suspect Max really is a cop, because his playstyle has been that way since D1. His actual alignment is unclearOkay, even if I'm a mafia cop - what, it could happen - the mafia know who they are and aren't, so IN WHAT UNIVERSE ARE THERE SUPPOSED TO BE THREE MILLERS WITH NOBODY WHO WILL EVER NOTICE?
If I'm a godfather then half the players in this game give bad results to our cop which is pretty twisted.Which is why I clearly stated that if you are then one or more of the millers are fake.
I don't like assertions of the form "if X is town, the team is Y and Z" unless I made them, because it reads like setting up your next two mislynches. I like them even less when I am Y.Looks like you're starting early. Better than last minute votechange, but not be much?
Look, ToonyMan is maybe a godfather, but I'm definitely not teamed with him. I wouldn't be distancing so hard to say "actually I'm not convinced my result was even right, maybe he's just a godfather" FROM THE START if I was, probably.
... you know, I think we have to lynch a miller today. Unvote.
If not, it will be impossible to figure out the true answer if we lynch town.
That said, you're a role-cop right?[INCOHERENT HISSING SOUNDS]
Webadict: If a player is redirected onto himself with a non-self-targetable action, does the action still proceed? In particular, if a player uses a protect action on a target which is swapped with the protecting player, does that player successfully protect himself?Yes.
These are the only teams that I can believe exist at this point in time:
4mask/NQT
4mask/Jim
Jack/Max
Tric and Roden are always town.
This is why I can't resist voting 4mask.
Think for five seconds why Jim "guys let's vote NQT instead of 4mask pleeeeaase" Groovester isn't mafia with NQT.Upon retrospection, I buy points 1 & 2.
Now think for five minutes why Max isn't mafia with NQT or 4mask. I'll give you a hint: The answer lies within.
Jack, can you possibly guess why Max is the only person you can be mafia with? Go ahead, try it.
That requires waking up and actually engaging with people, which isn't something I like to do lmao.PRETTY PLEASE?Hrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm
No.
4mask needs to give reads or something man.
Mafia on the other hand has EVERY reason not to claim, because they know what happened last night.Yes, Tric, indeed they do have every reason not to claim (at least not truthfully), and it sounds like saying so made you realize you should claim so you don't look like a wolf. He also claimed doctor yesterday and claims to still have the doctor ability but also claims to have a full kill redirect one-shot? My role's power level says hahahahahahahahaha no.
So, last night I used my 1-shot to Sacrifice myself and prevent ALL deaths from occurring. Of course, this also strips away my Auto, so I'm now as mortal as anyone else. (This was Priority 1, so couldn't be blocked). So Mafia didn't kill anyone last night as a result of this.
One issue is, we need to trust trust you to trust you. I don't. More likely you're a counter to the powers around, especially if you can just ignore redirects.This is said after I claim that the ability I got off of Tric was a valuable one that I wouldn't be claiming, although anyone with half a brain could guess what I got if they assume everything Tric said about their role was true. It's been bugging me because for all the world it looks like a wolf trying to get out in front of bad facts. There's no reason to assume I have a role that gives me counter stuff, especially when Jim has already indicated I gave him a powerful townsided ability through our conversations, and yet Tric says it anyway.
Is this same level of sureness that says you redpeek'd someone?
Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
Are you cool with Roden shooting Tric if you flip town? Is Jack still a concern?Yes, though I'd obviously prefer to flip Tric first. Jack I haven't had a chance to look at yet, I've been really nonpresent these past few days and the only thing that stuck out in my mind when skimming over D2 was Tric's downright bizarre behavior around my claim.
Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
Are you implying that Tric tried to kill last night and...killed himself?Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tricmagic was the designated "mafia killing" role that web likes to put into his games.Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
Why does mafia!Tric give up their N1 kill? Just for towncred? There's little point in that considering that players such as myself, Jim, Roden, and Max all hardread Tric as town by EOD1.Nothing about anything I said said that Tric gave up the kill? I said that Tric's team tried to kill Jim and it got reflected back onto Tric.
PPE:Are you implying that Tric tried to kill last night and...killed himself?Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
Hahahahaha
In particular I'm not sure what the mech around Jack is because keeping track of the mech this game has been complicated.He keeps saying he's Batman and claimed last today that they tracked Max to me.
Mind filling me in on what Jack's mech is, I'm in class so won't be able to do a deep dive for a couple hours?
In particular I'm not sure what the mech around Jack is because keeping track of the mech this game has been complicated.He keeps saying he's Batman and claimed last today that they tracked Max to me.
Mind filling me in on what Jack's mech is, I'm in class so won't be able to do a deep dive for a couple hours?
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Are you implying that Tric tried to kill last night and...killed himself?
Hahahahaha
In particular I'm not sure what the mech around Jack is because keeping track of the mech this game has been complicated.He keeps saying he's Batman and claimed last today that they tracked Max to me.
Mind filling me in on what Jack's mech is, I'm in class so won't be able to do a deep dive for a couple hours?NO I'M SPARTACUS
Interesting. Unless he claimed before Max that's super weak mech, whether or not the specific claim of Batman is accurate.
EUCHREJACK WAS THE LAST PERSON TO CLAIM ANYTHING.Yeaaaaaaaaaaah I haven't gone over Euchre's D2 stuff yet (still in class) but that alone makes me think he's a wolf, let alone his D1 play. An unconfirmable investigative claimed last is classic wolf behavior.
Pretty sure mechanically only one of the two of them can be a wolf though.Wait.
In that case ignore this, they could technically both be wolves together.
Sorry yeah I wasn't clear, "they" are Tricmagic and Euchrejack. I was looking for wolfteams and thought that your mech cleared one if the other flips wolf but I don't think it actually does.In that case ignore this, they could technically both be wolves together.
WHO'S 'THEY' HERE?
SO ALL YOU FENCE SITTERS NEED TO HURRY UP AND MAKE UP YOUR MINDS.I'm thinking. I'm happy that 4mask is here but I wish it was yesterday.
I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Wow, so now if 4maskwolf flips town, then I've been upgraded to KILL rather than LYNCH.What's wrong with that? The most likely people to have killed last night are me, Tric, Jack, or 4mask.
Note: I was supposed to provide Roden an alibi by tracking them, so ???
But fuck it, 4maskwolf
But, then again, maybe not.That towncred goes away the moment he flips mafia after we lynch him.
Maybe the best thing for a wolf to do is push a lynch that isn't going anywhere. He gets the town cred of rabidly pursuing a suspect without the suspicion of being part of a lynch of a townie.
at this point 4maskwolf is pretty much burned so they probably don't care.Are you reading the same posts I am?
Yeah it's not like I'm considering anything you're saying now that you're present.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Now, this bothers me, since I know I'm town, and thus if you flip town then two town die instead of one.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
What.Now, this bothers me, since I know I'm town, and thus if you flip town then two town die instead of one.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yet, you don't seem to consider this a possibility, so why should I?
So my vote remains.
HOWEVER, nobody has counter claimed Cop in any way shape or form. We also have allegedly three millers. So I'm inclined to think Max is our Town Cop.This is way off from Euchrejack— What reason do you have to think there definitely would be a cop or that there would only be one? (Multiple players may have investigative one-shots— indeed the game started with various peek claims). More pressingly, why are you trying to role fish here, baiting a cop to claim?
Max claimed cop. If there was a full-blown cop, they would counterclaim Max due to knowing that Max is lying mafia scum.HOWEVER, nobody has counter claimed Cop in any way shape or form. We also have allegedly three millers. So I'm inclined to think Max is our Town Cop.This is way off from Euchrejack— What reason do you have to think there definitely would be a cop or that there would only be one? (Multiple players may have investigative one-shots— indeed the game started with various peek claims). More pressingly, why are you trying to role fish here, baiting a cop to claim?
Except that your exact argument could work equally well in reverse: why not launch EuchreJack and shoot me in my lying wolf face if he’s town, rather than launching me before shooting Euchre in his lying wolf face? If Jack is a wolf we don’t even know what his real role is because “ascetic tracker” is such obvious bullshit, whereas the details of my role are known and confirmed by JimWow, so now if 4maskwolf flips town, then I've been upgraded to KILL rather than LYNCH.What's wrong with that? The most likely people to have killed last night are me, Tric, Jack, or 4mask.
Note: I was supposed to provide Roden an alibi by tracking them, so ???
But fuck it, 4maskwolf
If 4mask is town he's pointing a finger at another top killer suspect, you or possibly Tric.But, then again, maybe not.That towncred goes away the moment he flips mafia after we lynch him.
Maybe the best thing for a wolf to do is push a lynch that isn't going anywhere. He gets the town cred of rabidly pursuing a suspect without the suspicion of being part of a lynch of a townie.at this point 4maskwolf is pretty much burned so they probably don't care.Are you reading the same posts I am?
PPE:Yeah it's not like I'm considering anything you're saying now that you're present.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Sorry, but how exactly am I 98% scum?!What.Now, this bothers me, since I know I'm town, and thus if you flip town then two town die instead of one.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yet, you don't seem to consider this a possibility, so why should I?
So my vote remains.
I was whining about dying, not declaring you scum emperor of the scum empire forever and ever amen.
I genuinely don’t think you have more than like a 2% chance of flipping town though.
Notice how the immediate response from both Tric and Jack when I shine a light on them is yo reflexively lash out and try and push for my death.
This post doesn’t even merit a real response lmao. You, me, and everyone else knows that “2%” wasn’t some kind of exact mathematical value but a way of expressing how certain I am in you being a wolf.Sorry, but how exactly am I 98% scum?!What.Now, this bothers me, since I know I'm town, and thus if you flip town then two town die instead of one.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yet, you don't seem to consider this a possibility, so why should I?
So my vote remains.
I was whining about dying, not declaring you scum emperor of the scum empire forever and ever amen.
I genuinely don’t think you have more than like a 2% chance of flipping town though.
Notice how the immediate response from both Tric and Jack when I shine a light on them is yo reflexively lash out and try and push for my death.
Like, seriously, explain yourself.
If I didn't think you were scum, I would not have "lashed out". Brush up on your acting lessons, scum.
So...Known role but scummy is better than Unknownable role but townie?Except that your exact argument could work equally well in reverse: why not launch EuchreJack and shoot me in my lying wolf face if he’s town, rather than launching me before shooting Euchre in his lying wolf face? If Jack is a wolf we don’t even know what his real role is because “ascetic tracker” is such obvious bullshit, whereas the details of my role are known and confirmed by JimWow, so now if 4maskwolf flips town, then I've been upgraded to KILL rather than LYNCH.What's wrong with that? The most likely people to have killed last night are me, Tric, Jack, or 4mask.
Note: I was supposed to provide Roden an alibi by tracking them, so ???
But fuck it, 4maskwolf
If 4mask is town he's pointing a finger at another top killer suspect, you or possibly Tric.But, then again, maybe not.That towncred goes away the moment he flips mafia after we lynch him.
Maybe the best thing for a wolf to do is push a lynch that isn't going anywhere. He gets the town cred of rabidly pursuing a suspect without the suspicion of being part of a lynch of a townie.at this point 4maskwolf is pretty much burned so they probably don't care.Are you reading the same posts I am?
PPE:Yeah it's not like I'm considering anything you're saying now that you're present.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yes, I’d rather live to the end of the game, especially when my death isn’t actually part of a breaking strategy. Sue me.
Wow.So...Known role but scummy is better than Unknownable role but townie?Except that your exact argument could work equally well in reverse: why not launch EuchreJack and shoot me in my lying wolf face if he’s town, rather than launching me before shooting Euchre in his lying wolf face? If Jack is a wolf we don’t even know what his real role is because “ascetic tracker” is such obvious bullshit, whereas the details of my role are known and confirmed by JimWow, so now if 4maskwolf flips town, then I've been upgraded to KILL rather than LYNCH.What's wrong with that? The most likely people to have killed last night are me, Tric, Jack, or 4mask.
Note: I was supposed to provide Roden an alibi by tracking them, so ???
But fuck it, 4maskwolf
If 4mask is town he's pointing a finger at another top killer suspect, you or possibly Tric.But, then again, maybe not.That towncred goes away the moment he flips mafia after we lynch him.
Maybe the best thing for a wolf to do is push a lynch that isn't going anywhere. He gets the town cred of rabidly pursuing a suspect without the suspicion of being part of a lynch of a townie.at this point 4maskwolf is pretty much burned so they probably don't care.Are you reading the same posts I am?
PPE:Yeah it's not like I'm considering anything you're saying now that you're present.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yes, I’d rather live to the end of the game, especially when my death isn’t actually part of a breaking strategy. Sue me.
By your logic, we love the Devil and hate God.
Instead of trying to paint me scum, why not explain for the other viewers why I'm scum?This post doesn’t even merit a real response lmao. You, me, and everyone else knows that “2%” wasn’t some kind of exact mathematical value but a way of expressing how certain I am in you being a wolf.Sorry, but how exactly am I 98% scum?!What.Now, this bothers me, since I know I'm town, and thus if you flip town then two town die instead of one.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yet, you don't seem to consider this a possibility, so why should I?
So my vote remains.
I was whining about dying, not declaring you scum emperor of the scum empire forever and ever amen.
I genuinely don’t think you have more than like a 2% chance of flipping town though.
Notice how the immediate response from both Tric and Jack when I shine a light on them is yo reflexively lash out and try and push for my death.
Like, seriously, explain yourself.
If I didn't think you were scum, I would not have "lashed out". Brush up on your acting lessons, scum.
But please, keep grasping at straws.
Seriously does anyone here actually think this grasping at straws and flailing to find some way to implicate me is towny?
I already explained why you were scum both from a social deduction angle (D1) and a mechanical angle (D2). Which you should know if you’re genuine about casing me.Instead of trying to paint me scum, why not explain for the other viewers why I'm scum?This post doesn’t even merit a real response lmao. You, me, and everyone else knows that “2%” wasn’t some kind of exact mathematical value but a way of expressing how certain I am in you being a wolf.Sorry, but how exactly am I 98% scum?!What.Now, this bothers me, since I know I'm town, and thus if you flip town then two town die instead of one.I would really prefer voting off 4mask here since if he's town then Roden could shoot Jack. 4mask expresses full trust in me and Jim so he should be okay with this, although it's still shitty for 4mask. 4mask has suspected Tric and Jack since D1.I'm okay with it in the same way I'm okay with blood draws: not at all and only participating with great reluctance, but if it’s truly necessary I’ll grudgingly accept it. Just wish I was dying for something more valuable than an ego play, though.
Jim is HARD DEFENDING 4mask which I think he is mainly doing because of the massive bribe he received last night. I don't strongly feel he's mafia with 4mask because this is super desperate, but it's definitely not impossible as they're boned otherwise in that scenario.
Yet, you don't seem to consider this a possibility, so why should I?
So my vote remains.
I was whining about dying, not declaring you scum emperor of the scum empire forever and ever amen.
I genuinely don’t think you have more than like a 2% chance of flipping town though.
Notice how the immediate response from both Tric and Jack when I shine a light on them is yo reflexively lash out and try and push for my death.
Like, seriously, explain yourself.
If I didn't think you were scum, I would not have "lashed out". Brush up on your acting lessons, scum.
But please, keep grasping at straws.
That alone is suspicious.
If you are misguided, I'll unvote you myself. Did I vote you end of Day 1? NO
Oh, you switched from me to Vector at some point. Hm, I need to reassess. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362101#msg8362101)
Just a few posts ago you were telling me to “brush up on my acting skills scum” and now you’re “making a last minute assessment of me”?Seriously does anyone here actually think this grasping at straws and flailing to find some way to implicate me is towny?
The problem I have with this is twofold:
1) I'm trying to have a conversation so I can make a last-minute assessment of you. I am voting you, and I could unvote you. Why do you fail to understand that?
2) I'm NOT the only one who has suspected you today. In fact, it was mostly Toonyman, yet you aren't going after him AT ALL.
READ THIS POSTWould you like to share with the class who Max and I swung the vote off of?
Ah shit, we didn't even bother to look at the end of day 1. We're all amateur here.
End of Day 1: 4maskwolf swaps onto Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362078#msg8362078), then Max swaps onto Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362088#msg8362088). Both in the last 5 minutes of the day.
They could totally have been a mafia team coordinating a vote onto Vector. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362101#msg8362101)
I take back my town read of Max.
Thank you. You can go back to ignoring the 4mask vs. Me posting spam.
It's late here and my grasp of this game having subbed in part way is not as strong as I'd like... but reading Toony's claim, isn't the most likely reason Tric was shot was because someone shot 4mask and it was bussed to Tric? Or is that ruled out by something else?Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
Toonyman (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362069#msg8362069)READ THIS POSTWould you like to share with the class who Max and I swung the vote off of?
Ah shit, we didn't even bother to look at the end of day 1. We're all amateur here.
End of Day 1: 4maskwolf swaps onto Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362078#msg8362078), then Max swaps onto Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362088#msg8362088). Both in the last 5 minutes of the day.
They could totally have been a mafia team coordinating a vote onto Vector. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362101#msg8362101)
I take back my town read of Max.
Thank you. You can go back to ignoring the 4mask vs. Me posting spam.
I'm a "pure" tracker, unless I misread my role. Thus I believed that there could be a pure cop.It's late here and my grasp of this game having subbed in part way is not as strong as I'd like... but reading Toony's claim, isn't the most likely reason Tric was shot was because someone shot 4mask and it was bussed to Tric? Or is that ruled out by something else?Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
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Euchre, you must see that it's highly unlikely that this set up would have a pure cop. Everyone has bizarro roles, no?
Ppe: time to recheck eod...
Correct!Toonyman (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362069#msg8362069)READ THIS POSTWould you like to share with the class who Max and I swung the vote off of?
Ah shit, we didn't even bother to look at the end of day 1. We're all amateur here.
End of Day 1: 4maskwolf swaps onto Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362078#msg8362078), then Max swaps onto Vector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362088#msg8362088). Both in the last 5 minutes of the day.
They could totally have been a mafia team coordinating a vote onto Vector. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8362101#msg8362101)
I take back my town read of Max.
Thank you. You can go back to ignoring the 4mask vs. Me posting spam.
Except that your exact argument could work equally well in reverse: why not launch EuchreJack and shoot me in my lying wolf face if he’s town, rather than launching me before shooting Euchre in his lying wolf face? If Jack is a wolf we don’t even know what his real role is because “ascetic tracker” is such obvious bullshit, whereas the details of my role are known and confirmed by JimYep. I guess I didn't post it yet, but I was going to say that the order doesn't really matter to me. If we lynch Jack first and shoot 4mask depending on Jack's flip that's almost the same result. I could have swore I said that.
In all honesty, I haven't a clue what happened last night phase other than Max visited Toonyman and Tric died then revived.It's late here and my grasp of this game having subbed in part way is not as strong as I'd like... but reading Toony's claim, isn't the most likely reason Tric was shot was because someone shot 4mask and it was bussed to Tric? Or is that ruled out by something else?Tricmagic said something that's been bothering the hell out of me.
Pretty sure someone just tried to shoot Jim last night and it wound up getting redirected onto Tricmagic (Jim redirecting the kill onto me and it then being redirected by Toonyman onto Tricmagic). Why?
I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT TRICMAGIC (BY WATCHING YOU) DURING N1.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
FEASIBLY IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE EVENTUAL NIGHT KILL TARGET THEN IT WAS TOONYMAN OR TRICMAGIC WHO DID IT.
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Euchre, you must see that it's highly unlikely that this set up would have a pure cop. Everyone has bizarro roles, no?
Ppe: time to recheck eod...
Euchre, I'm pretty much just a tracker but even then my role has some additionally weirdness. I don't buy for one moment that your role is just:You forgot [Auto]: Nobody can track you and you read as scum, ha ha ha have fun looking like scum, stupid townie!
[Night] Track: follow someone to see who they target.
IF I'M WATCHING SOMEBODY AND THEY GET REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE THEM.
Does someone want to remind me whether Max or Euchre's claims were in any way confirmed... and why people are sure Tric's revive wasn't a free action? And what's the deal with 4masks argument here?
and why people are sure Tric's revive wasn't a free action?
It's late here and my grasp of this game having subbed in part way is not as strong as I'd like... but reading Toony's claim, isn't the most likely reason Tric was shot was because someone shot 4mask and it was bussed to Tric? Or is that ruled out by something else?
EUCHREJACK/4MASKWOLF SHIT FLINGING
It's late here and my grasp of this game having subbed in part way is not as strong as I'd like... but reading Toony's claim, isn't the most likely reason Tric was shot was because someone shot 4mask and it was bussed to Tric? Or is that ruled out by something else?It's possible. Jim redirected all actions from himself to 4mask, but that wouldn't have changed anything about my bus driving of 4mask and Tric.
You’re forgetting Euchre, Jim. He already claimed to have a ninja-like ability that makes him unnoticeable when acting.
That’s literally one of the two pillars of why I think Euchre is a wolf, alongside their easily fakeable night action claim (the least supported claim out of anyone, as I understand things).You’re forgetting Euchre, Jim. He already claimed to have a ninja-like ability that makes him unnoticeable when acting.
THAT'S
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
IF TRICMAGIC WAS THE TARGET OF THE NIGHT KILL THEN THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD HAVE KILLED TRICMAGIC DURING N1 WOULD HAVE BEEN TOONYMAN.Which I did not. Does this mean Tric is being truthful about their sacrifice claim?
You’re forgetting Euchre, Jim. He already claimed to have a ninja-like ability that makes him unnoticeable when acting.
THAT'S
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
What if the mafia tried to kill 4mask? Would you see anybody that was redirected from 4mask to Tric?
In all fairness, from what I can tell, there is absolutely no way that you can see me. So if I got caught up in that mess, you would not know.You’re forgetting Euchre, Jim. He already claimed to have a ninja-like ability that makes him unnoticeable when acting.
THAT'S
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
I THOUGHT HE CLAIMED ASCETIC. THE REDIRECT WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED ON HIM BUT I SUPPOSE THE BUSSING WOULD HAVE?What if the mafia tried to kill 4mask? Would you see anybody that was redirected from 4mask to Tric?
I WOULD THINK SO.
IF I CAN SEE SOMEBODY GETTING REDIRECTED TO THEMSELVES I DON'T SEE WHY I WOULDN'T SEE OTHER PLAYERS GETTING REDIRECTED.
I never targeted Jack with the bus drive so I imagine it would still affect him.
I never targeted Jack with the bus drive so I imagine it would still affect him.
I MEAN IF JACK TRIED TO TARGET 4MASKWOLF, IT SHOULD STILL HIT TRICMAGIC, RIGHT?
I didn't claim.
Since everyone has claimed, I might as well.
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.
Both of your guesses are as good as mine.I never targeted Jack with the bus drive so I imagine it would still affect him.
I MEAN IF JACK TRIED TO TARGET 4MASKWOLF, IT SHOULD STILL HIT TRICMAGIC, RIGHT?
Jack explicitly makes his claim lastOOH, Let's Lynch the weakest claim. That is GUARANTEED to win town the game!!! Good Job NQT!!! You are MVP for SURE!I didn't claim.
Since everyone has claimed, I might as well.
I tracked Maximum Spin visiting Toonyman. So it only bolsters existing players, but I felt it best to be clear whom I am bolstering.
He claims something he could know if he was mafia whether or not Max is on the same side (because Max had claimed). He also claims a role that is way is simpler than my confirmed tracking role. And he is excessively certain that Max must be the only town cop, because his whole claim rests on Max telling the truth about his action.
EuchreJack has the weakest claim here.
I don't think Tric is clever enough to make up a fake-claim on the spot after getting blasted by his partner, but maybe he is.
Both of your guesses are as good as mine.
My (current) theory is that Jim was the intended Night Kill. That Night Kill got transferred to 4maskwolf, then Tric.
That clears Jim as Town.
It is NAI for 4maskwolf.
It makes Toonyman look "better" as redirecting onto Tric who claimed some sort of immortality is townie.
My role is pretty much designed that unless I claim first on a day, then it's impossible for me to be "cleared".
OOH, Let's Lynch the weakest claim. That is GUARANTEED to win town the game!!! Good Job NQT!!! You are MVP for SURE!
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Maybe I can label you too dumb for scum?
I don't think Tric is clever enough to make up a fake-claim on the spot after getting blasted by his partner, but maybe he is.I pretty much started to wonder that myself later in the day. All I'll say is targeting a miller seemed like a good way to revive a lot. Then the bit about being immune came up, so.. Yeah, not the best play.
Tric did say he befriended Jack...ugh why Jack of all people Tric??
4MASKWOLF, I THINK TRICMAGIC CLAIMED HIS MAGIC ONE SHOT WAS NAMED SACRIFICE.My item flavor appears to be based on my own role, not the role of the dead. So, inherently no.
DOES THE ITEM YOU GOT FROM HIS DEATH SEEM CONSISTENT FLAVORWISE WITH THAT?
4MASKWOLF, I THINK TRICMAGIC CLAIMED HIS MAGIC ONE SHOT WAS NAMED SACRIFICE.My item flavor appears to be based on my own role, not the role of the dead. So, inherently no.
DOES THE ITEM YOU GOT FROM HIS DEATH SEEM CONSISTENT FLAVORWISE WITH THAT?
I probably just told you what my role is but c’est la vie.
Max perfectly timed that vote shift yesterday.
I want to know who Toony targeted last night though.
@Jim: I'm unclear on what is your claimed night action. I see you are confused as well. Could you lay out all the information you have from the night phase in one post, so I can actually understand it?
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.
Max perfectly timed that vote shift yesterday.
I want to know who Toony targeted last night though.
CONSIDERING HOW MUCH SCREECHING TRICMAGIC DID ON DAY 1 ABOUT TOONYMAN WIPING HIS AUTOS I DON'T KNOW WHY TRICMAGIC IS INTERESTED IN WHAT TOONYMAN DID DURING NIGHT 1 IF HE KNOWS HE SHOT OFF A ONE SHOT THAT WIPED HIS REVIVING AUTO.
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.@Jim: I'm unclear on what is your claimed night action. I see you are confused as well. Could you lay out all the information you have from the night phase in one post, so I can actually understand it?
DURING DAY 1 I CHOSE 4MASKWOLF. WHILE 4MASKWOLF IS ALIVE ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGET ME TARGET HIM INSTEAD, EXCEPT FOR ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF DOES THAT TARGET ME.
DURING NIGHT 1 I CHOSE TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF.
So is this just an OMGUS Jack or can you muster a reason to vote me? If you're unvoting 4mask because he can't be the killer, why are you voting me? I'm confirmed not the killer unless you think the team is me and Roden?Why are you confirmed to not be the killer?
You really asking me this??? When you were the one who confirmed my tracking? WOWSo is this just an OMGUS Jack or can you muster a reason to vote me? If you're unvoting 4mask because he can't be the killer, why are you voting me? I'm confirmed not the killer unless you think the team is me and Roden?Why are you confirmed to not be the killer?
I'm inclined to believe that Tric is just lying townie. His truthfulness isn't particularly relevant to his alignment.
Trying to decipher his role is a waste of time: In all honestly, Tric probably doesn't even understand it well enough to tell us honestly if he was inclined to do so.
(TRIC: THIS HELPS YOU SO SHUT UP, YOU ARE NOT GETTING VOTED)
Tric could be the killer (he shoots 4mask or Jim and its redirected back onto him in a hilarious sequence.)
You really asking me this??? When you were the one who confirmed my tracking? WOWSo is this just an OMGUS Jack or can you muster a reason to vote me? If you're unvoting 4mask because he can't be the killer, why are you voting me? I'm confirmed not the killer unless you think the team is me and Roden?Why are you confirmed to not be the killer?
You really asking me this??? When you were the one who confirmed my tracking? WOWSo is this just an OMGUS Jack or can you muster a reason to vote me? If you're unvoting 4mask because he can't be the killer, why are you voting me? I'm confirmed not the killer unless you think the team is me and Roden?Why are you confirmed to not be the killer?
You made a massive fuss about being "forced" to claim after I share my tracking attempt result and now you're conveniently forgetting all that, huh?No, I remember that. Why does that clear you? Mafia can have factional Multitasking, or at the very least role-specific Multitasking. With the amount of power town has, there's no reason not to expect that.
Reads List:... Just reading this hardens my mind you're the mafia here 4mask. What about my role stands out as contradictory?
Almost certainly town:
Toony
Jim
Probably town but need to check again:
Max
Working on it:
Roden
NQT
Contradictory claim, probably a wolf:
TricMagic
Just a wolf:
EuchreJack
I did two actions at night, why couldn't mafia too?You really asking me this??? When you were the one who confirmed my tracking? WOWSo is this just an OMGUS Jack or can you muster a reason to vote me? If you're unvoting 4mask because he can't be the killer, why are you voting me? I'm confirmed not the killer unless you think the team is me and Roden?Why are you confirmed to not be the killer?
Woke up about an hour ago, just finished catching up. We have a bit more than I expected so that's good at least. At least I won't be here just for the last ten minutes again.I'll be real with you, the reason I haven't been here at all D2 was one of my friends got me into Bridgerton so I had 16 hours of show to watch in addition to my classes starting again this week.
Ok so first off, anyone noticing how I and others said "NQT/4mask is the solve" and they didn't give a shit until the deadline reared its head? NQT went from calling me obvscum and shading Tric to teaming up with 4mask to attack Jack and overwhelm him. Their attack on him feels very obviously coordinated and like a last minute hail mary.
I'm pretty certain this is town!Jack, his behavior all day has been his townie self and his reaction to pressure from the NQT/4mask double team gave me war flashbacks to the newbie set up we did a while back. I genuinely don't think he's mafia here, and you all can complain about meta all you want but this isn't just a meta read, it's a read on play and behavior.
I still want NQT voted out today if possible.
I clarified what I meant later, and I already pointed out where your claim felt sketch.Reads List:... Just reading this hardens my mind you're the mafia here 4mask. What about my role stands out as contradictory?
Almost certainly town:
Toony
Jim
Probably town but need to check again:
Max
Working on it:
Roden
NQT
Contradictory claim, probably a wolf:
TricMagic
Just a wolf:
EuchreJack
Jack, please not I've already revealed my role at this point. Pony is very much out of the pastures.
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.
IF YOU DON'T ANSWER I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THE ANSWER IS YES.
While we're at it...My revival was an auto-thing tied to my Friend being alive at that point. My Sacrifice removed that auto, meaning I'm mortal. I still have my Doctor action.
Does someone want to remind me whether Max or Euchre's claims were in any way confirmed... and why people are sure Tric's revive wasn't a free action? And what's the deal with 4masks argument here?
Also, Roden is still most likely scum but I'd like to see why people think that's not the case.
TRICMAGICNo, just freaking no. I died last night and came back to life. No-one else died. Why do you think I'd make a fake-claim as anything but mafia?
ANSWER METRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.
IF YOU DON'T ANSWER I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THE ANSWER IS YES.
?HOWEVER, nobody has counter claimed Cop in any way shape or form. We also have allegedly three millers. So I'm inclined to think Max is our Town Cop.This is way off from Euchrejack— What reason do you have to think there definitely would be a cop or that there would only be one? (Multiple players may have investigative one-shots— indeed the game started with various peek claims). More pressingly, why are you trying to role fish here, baiting a cop to claim?
EUCHREJACK/TRICMAGIC SCUMTEAM? EUCHREJACK IS ACTING LIKE ALREADY FOUND OUT SCUM FOR SOME REASON.
I'm not repeating things I've already said.While we're at it...My revival was an auto-thing tied to my Friend being alive at that point. My Sacrifice removed that auto, meaning I'm mortal. I still have my Doctor action.
Does someone want to remind me whether Max or Euchre's claims were in any way confirmed... and why people are sure Tric's revive wasn't a free action? And what's the deal with 4masks argument here?
Also, Roden is still most likely scum but I'd like to see why people think that's not the case.
4mask, seeing the next message, what about this is non-sensical?
Ok here's my suggestion.Except if you and Jack, Jack and Max, or Max and Tric are wolves together?
Lynch one of NQT/4mask.
I vig the other.
Jack Tracks me.
Max Cops Tric.
Tric Docs Toony.
Toony removes a Miller passive and holsters thevBus Drive.
Jim sits there and looks pretty.
I believe this prevents any and all fuckery with night actions. If something goes wrong, we know exactly where it went wrong and leave Mafia with very little wiggle room to fake claim.
Does this seem fine?
Ok here's my suggestion.The vig yes. Doc-ing Toony no. I was going to Doc Max, with the expectation that Toony would bus me and someone else. If Max or I end up dead, something is clearly up.
Lynch one of NQT/4mask.
I vig the other.
Jack Tracks me.
Max Cops Tric.
Tric Docs Toony.
Toony removes a Miller passive and holsters thevBus Drive.
Jim sits there and looks pretty.
I believe this prevents any and all fuckery with night actions. If something goes wrong, we know exactly where it went wrong and leave Mafia with very little wiggle room to fake claim.
Does this seem fine?
TRICMAGICNo, just freaking no. I died last night and came back to life. No-one else died. Why do you think I'd make a fake-claim as anything but mafia?
ANSWER METRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.
IF YOU DON'T ANSWER I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THE ANSWER IS YES.
Max perfectly timed that vote shift yesterday.
I want to know who Toony targeted last night though.
CONSIDERING HOW MUCH SCREECHING TRICMAGIC DID ON DAY 1 ABOUT TOONYMAN WIPING HIS AUTOS I DON'T KNOW WHY TRICMAGIC IS INTERESTED IN WHAT TOONYMAN DID DURING NIGHT 1 IF HE KNOWS HE SHOT OFF A ONE SHOT THAT WIPED HIS REVIVING AUTO.
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.@Jim: I'm unclear on what is your claimed night action. I see you are confused as well. Could you lay out all the information you have from the night phase in one post, so I can actually understand it?
DURING DAY 1 I CHOSE 4MASKWOLF. WHILE 4MASKWOLF IS ALIVE ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGET ME TARGET HIM INSTEAD, EXCEPT FOR ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF DOES THAT TARGET ME.
DURING NIGHT 1 I CHOSE TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF.
What are you even talking about lmao. My claim is literally confirmed by Jim.Max perfectly timed that vote shift yesterday.
I want to know who Toony targeted last night though.
CONSIDERING HOW MUCH SCREECHING TRICMAGIC DID ON DAY 1 ABOUT TOONYMAN WIPING HIS AUTOS I DON'T KNOW WHY TRICMAGIC IS INTERESTED IN WHAT TOONYMAN DID DURING NIGHT 1 IF HE KNOWS HE SHOT OFF A ONE SHOT THAT WIPED HIS REVIVING AUTO.
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.@Jim: I'm unclear on what is your claimed night action. I see you are confused as well. Could you lay out all the information you have from the night phase in one post, so I can actually understand it?
DURING DAY 1 I CHOSE 4MASKWOLF. WHILE 4MASKWOLF IS ALIVE ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGET ME TARGET HIM INSTEAD, EXCEPT FOR ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF DOES THAT TARGET ME.
DURING NIGHT 1 I CHOSE TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF.
.... Context is important. Note the very calm text? I wasn't going to claim that I did that till after most everyone had claimed. Hence potentially catching people in a lie. 4mask did not do well during that.
I really really believe Jim is town this game, and that my paranoia of the Jim/4mask team is annoying the hell out of me. I'm going to look fucking stupid if I'm wrong, but I don't think Jim is mafia and I could only see 4mask with Jim honestly. 4mask/NQT seems like wishful thinking to me...Believe in the Jim who believes in you!
I need to be final at this point in the day.
I'm going to believe in Jim (who believed in me EOD1) and I will not be voting 4mask today.
Tric could be the killer (he shoots 4mask or Jim and its redirected back onto him in a hilarious sequence.)Point 1, I would shoot Toony every time. Points 2 and 3, claims meant to cast shade.
Roden could be the killer, as I've made clear earlier. (He's explicitly not a real commuter, he didn't leave the town, his kill couldn't have been tracked by me or Toony).
Or it's Jack, who has an unverifiable claim.
If these are the only possible killers then we need to shoot in this pool.
Roden's plan explicitly calls for being tracked when he says he can avoid being tracked. Interesting.See above. Also, no other cops have come forth, and now's the time to do so, not Day 3.
It's a dumb plan because it doesn't hit the most likely killer.
Also any plan with a fixed vig target is super dumb when we know that people can bus, redirect, block, etc etc.
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Tric, I'm not saying they weren't jokes. I'm saying that no one at the time doubted that there could be multiple rolecop powers floating around. It's a wuba game, with all kinds of shenanigans. Its bizarre and frankly scummy that this is the line some players thing is beyond the pale.
The entire point of those specific actions in my suggested plan is that it spews teams if mafia don't kill me tonight and NQT/4mask both flip town.Except it doesn't because there's multiple confirmable claims and multiple points of failure where different wolfteams could have the same overall result.
Roden's plan explicitly calls for being tracked when he says he can avoid being tracked. Interesting.My Commute is an action, not a passive. I can be Tracked if I choose a different action.
It's a dumb plan because it doesn't hit the most likely killer.
Also any plan with a fixed vig target is super dumb when we know that people can bus, redirect, block, etc etc.
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Tric, I'm not saying they weren't jokes. I'm saying that no one at the time doubted that there could be multiple rolecop powers floating around. It's a wuba game, with all kinds of shenanigans. Its bizarre and frankly scummy that this is the line some players thing is beyond the pale.
I remember Jim said this on Day 1:kicks feet about. Wasn't very subtle huh? Given I literally befriended jack in the thread. I do admit that is the kind of crazy gambit Jack and I might do but...EUCHREJACK/TRICMAGIC SCUMTEAM? EUCHREJACK IS ACTING LIKE ALREADY FOUND OUT SCUM FOR SOME REASON.
I could see Jack/Tric trying to kill Jim on N1 for this statement, but the kill instead getting sent to 4mask and then to Tric.
My Commute is an action, not a passive. I can be Tracked if I choose a different action.Yes.
Mechaincs, mechanics, mechaincs. Are you some sort of scrap mechanic? Cause you seem more interested in those than the social aspect of things.What are you even talking about lmao. My claim is literally confirmed by Jim.Max perfectly timed that vote shift yesterday.
I want to know who Toony targeted last night though.
CONSIDERING HOW MUCH SCREECHING TRICMAGIC DID ON DAY 1 ABOUT TOONYMAN WIPING HIS AUTOS I DON'T KNOW WHY TRICMAGIC IS INTERESTED IN WHAT TOONYMAN DID DURING NIGHT 1 IF HE KNOWS HE SHOT OFF A ONE SHOT THAT WIPED HIS REVIVING AUTO.
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.@Jim: I'm unclear on what is your claimed night action. I see you are confused as well. Could you lay out all the information you have from the night phase in one post, so I can actually understand it?
DURING DAY 1 I CHOSE 4MASKWOLF. WHILE 4MASKWOLF IS ALIVE ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGET ME TARGET HIM INSTEAD, EXCEPT FOR ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF DOES THAT TARGET ME.
DURING NIGHT 1 I CHOSE TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF.
.... Context is important. Note the very calm text? I wasn't going to claim that I did that till after most everyone had claimed. Hence potentially catching people in a lie. 4mask did not do well during that.
I remember Jim said this on Day 1:kicks feet about. Wasn't very subtle huh? Given I literally befriended jack in the thread. I do admit that is the kind of crazy gambit Jack and I might do but...EUCHREJACK/TRICMAGIC SCUMTEAM? EUCHREJACK IS ACTING LIKE ALREADY FOUND OUT SCUM FOR SOME REASON.
I could see Jack/Tric trying to kill Jim on N1 for this statement, but the kill instead getting sent to 4mask and then to Tric.
The rest of the starting day kinda hints against it unless we've both had a massive boost in skill. Or have been working at cross-purposes without communicating in the mafiachat.
Toony's right, you do sound like a cartoon villainMechaincs, mechanics, mechaincs. Are you some sort of scrap mechanic? Cause you seem more interested in those than the social aspect of things.What are you even talking about lmao. My claim is literally confirmed by Jim.Max perfectly timed that vote shift yesterday.
I want to know who Toony targeted last night though.
CONSIDERING HOW MUCH SCREECHING TRICMAGIC DID ON DAY 1 ABOUT TOONYMAN WIPING HIS AUTOS I DON'T KNOW WHY TRICMAGIC IS INTERESTED IN WHAT TOONYMAN DID DURING NIGHT 1 IF HE KNOWS HE SHOT OFF A ONE SHOT THAT WIPED HIS REVIVING AUTO.
TRICMAGIC BE HONEST NOW,
YOUR ONE SHOT SACRIFICE CLAIM IS FAKE.@Jim: I'm unclear on what is your claimed night action. I see you are confused as well. Could you lay out all the information you have from the night phase in one post, so I can actually understand it?
DURING DAY 1 I CHOSE 4MASKWOLF. WHILE 4MASKWOLF IS ALIVE ALL ACTIONS THAT TARGET ME TARGET HIM INSTEAD, EXCEPT FOR ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF DOES THAT TARGET ME.
DURING NIGHT 1 I CHOSE TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF.
.... Context is important. Note the very calm text? I wasn't going to claim that I did that till after most everyone had claimed. Hence potentially catching people in a lie. 4mask did not do well during that.
Tric you sound like a cartoon villain right now.I mean, that is the sort of thing I'd try as mafia.My Commute is an action, not a passive. I can be Tracked if I choose a different action.Yes.
I believe you Roden.
Tric you really rolefishing for the people with cop powers. How would them claiming remotely help anything other than give scum more of an idea who to target?It is unbalanced though. 2 cops, a doctor, multiple millers, trackers, bussing, and revival floating about. Plus a double vote via count and your own claimed role. Something doesn't fit.
If there really are multiple millers in the game (and I'm not convinced as I said before), then having lots of cop powers isn't unbalanced.
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Roden and Toony, weren't you literally just saying that scum may have multiple actions? How does Roden's claim that his commute is an action toggle mean anything for his plan? If he's scum he's a liar.
Roden and Toony, weren't you literally just saying that scum may have multiple actions? How does Roden's claim that his commute is an action toggle mean anything for his plan? If he's scum he's a liar.Unlike stone-hearted NQT, I believe Roden is telling the truth fully about their whole Dark Souls Havel role.
I THINK THIS IS THE STRANGEST TRICMAGIC POST I HAVE EVER SEEN.Right now I think I'm going to vote NQT or Tric for D2.
... Good point. TricMagicRoden and Toony, weren't you literally just saying that scum may have multiple actions? How does Roden's claim that his commute is an action toggle mean anything for his plan? If he's scum he's a liar.Unlike stone-hearted NQT, I believe Roden is telling the truth fully about their whole Dark Souls Havel role.I THINK THIS IS THE STRANGEST TRICMAGIC POST I HAVE EVER SEEN.Right now I think I'm going to vote NQT or Tric for D2.
... Good point. TricMagic
... Good point. TricMagic
ALRIGHT, FUCK IT.
TRICMAGIC IT IS THEN.
I think it's like... Good point. TricMagic
ALRIGHT, FUCK IT.
TRICMAGIC IT IS THEN.
Cause at this point, I really really do not trust you. And the vote against 4mask has evaporated. Better a hammerblow to the minds of others to really drive the point home.I THINK THIS IS THE STRANGEST TRICMAGIC POST I HAVE EVER SEEN.Right now I think I'm going to vote NQT or Tric for D2.
What the fuck... Good point. TricMagicRoden and Toony, weren't you literally just saying that scum may have multiple actions? How does Roden's claim that his commute is an action toggle mean anything for his plan? If he's scum he's a liar.Unlike stone-hearted NQT, I believe Roden is telling the truth fully about their whole Dark Souls Havel role.I THINK THIS IS THE STRANGEST TRICMAGIC POST I HAVE EVER SEEN.Right now I think I'm going to vote NQT or Tric for D2.
Vote Count
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4maskwolf - 0 - Maximum Spin,
EuchreJack - 2 - 4maskwolf, notquitethere,
notquitethere - 1 - Roden,
Jim Groovester - 1 - EuchreJack,
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
ToonyMan - 0 -
TricMagic - 1 - TricMagic,
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - ToonyMan, Jim Groovester
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 30, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (ROUGHLY 1.5 HOURS I THINK)
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I lost electricity for a while, I have way too much still to read, but 4maskwolf is my first instinct. Maybe I take it back, we'll see.Thank you.. 4maskwolf
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/306758456998887429/743517751405969508/image0.png)I can't think of a game I've played where mafia self-vote, can somebody find a game I was in where mafia self-voted?
Euchre, you must see that it's highly unlikely that this set up would have a pure cop. Everyone has bizarro roles, no?I'm not a pure cop and I said I wasn't a pure cop. I'm a cop, a rolecop, and can [OTHER THING], at my leisure. If I rolecop someone I can then copcop that person for free afterward, but I didn't bother because I wanted more useful information and I never really saw much value in rolecopping in a BYOR.
This wagon formation always catches a wolf :wowee:Quote from: JIM'S VOTECOUNTVote Count
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4maskwolf - 0 - Maximum Spin,
EuchreJack - 2 - 4maskwolf, notquitethere,
notquitethere - 1 - Roden,
Jim Groovester - 1 - EuchreJack,
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
ToonyMan - 0 -
TricMagic - 1 - TricMagic,
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - ToonyMan, Jim Groovester
5 to Hammer. Day ends on March 30, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (ROUGHLY 1.5 HOURS I THINK)
I can't think of a game where anyone has self-voted.(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/306758456998887429/743517751405969508/image0.png)I can't think of a game I've played where mafia self-vote, can somebody find a game I was in where mafia self-voted?
This is seriously the most no thoughts head empty statement I've ever read. I posted a meme therefore I'm a wolf?(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/306758456998887429/743517751405969508/image0.png)/\
This is what got away from the votes. Somehow.
Godfathers, presumably?Euchre, you must see that it's highly unlikely that this set up would have a pure cop. Everyone has bizarro roles, no?I'm not a pure cop and I said I wasn't a pure cop. I'm a cop, a rolecop, and can [OTHER THING], at my leisure. If I rolecop someone I can then copcop that person for free afterward, but I didn't bother because I wanted more useful information and I never really saw much value in rolecopping in a BYOR.
Tric if you're going to kill yourself again at least give a nice summary of your reads with a full-rundown of your role.... Already did. Auto that lets me befriend someone at the start of day 1, allowing me to revive so long as they are alive. Doctor ability. And a 1-shot Sacrifice that kills me but prevents other deaths that night. If I have my auto, it also removes it after I'm revived..
SO 4MASKWOLF POSTULATES THAT TRICMAGIC WAS THE VICTIM OF THE NIGHT KILL. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IS IF THE KILLER TARGETED 4MASKWOLF DIRECTLY OR TARGETED ME SINCE I REDIRECTED EVERYTHING TARGETING ME (EXCEPT ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF TARGETED ME WITH) TO 4MASKWOLF, AND THEN TOONYMAN'S BUSSING SWAPPED TRICMAGIC'S AND 4MASKWOLF'S PLACES.This is super important and I'm not at all angry that nobody remembers I pointed out exactly this like yesterday. ONLY ToonyMan could have killed TricMagic, and, if ToonyMan did it, he drew attention to the fact that the redirects would shake out this way since he explained that his auto-scrubber went from Jim → 4mask → TricMagic too.
I WAS WATCHING 4MASKWOLF AND BECAUSE OF TOONYMAN'S BUSSING OF 4MASKWOLF AND TRICMAGIC I ENDED UP WATCHING TRICMAGIC. I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT.
I'm not caught up, I just saw this while posting, but I want to point out: no, useless, even if ToonyMan (say) is a godfather then his role is still just whatever dumb thing he submitted, it won't SAY whether he is a godfather or not, all I could do is say "well maybe it would make sense for him to be a godfather with this role" but that's no more or less than I can already do. If you saw my rolename it wouldn't tell you anything useful, although you could correctly infer that I probably have some kind of inspect.Godfathers, presumably?Euchre, you must see that it's highly unlikely that this set up would have a pure cop. Everyone has bizarro roles, no?I'm not a pure cop and I said I wasn't a pure cop. I'm a cop, a rolecop, and can [OTHER THING], at my leisure. If I rolecop someone I can then copcop that person for free afterward, but I didn't bother because I wanted more useful information and I never really saw much value in rolecopping in a BYOR.
Max, this is exactly what I'm saying. This "the other cop would counter claim" business is nonsense. Anyway what with Roden, Euchre and Tric's shenanigans, I've moved back into thinking you're more likely town.It's not nonsense, literally no other person has claimed to be any kind of cop, which should suggest to you that nobody else is any kind of cop.
Name drop everything about your role. The name of your role and the name of every ability.Tric if you're going to kill yourself again at least give a nice summary of your reads with a full-rundown of your role.... Already did. Auto that lets me befriend someone at the start of day 1, allowing me to revive so long as they are alive. Doctor ability. And a 1-shot Sacrifice that kills me but prevents other deaths that night. If I have my auto, it also removes it after I'm revived..
Ooooooooooh that's what you meant by rolecop.SO 4MASKWOLF POSTULATES THAT TRICMAGIC WAS THE VICTIM OF THE NIGHT KILL. SO THE ONLY WAY THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED IS IF THE KILLER TARGETED 4MASKWOLF DIRECTLY OR TARGETED ME SINCE I REDIRECTED EVERYTHING TARGETING ME (EXCEPT ACTIONS 4MASKWOLF TARGETED ME WITH) TO 4MASKWOLF, AND THEN TOONYMAN'S BUSSING SWAPPED TRICMAGIC'S AND 4MASKWOLF'S PLACES.This is super important and I'm not at all angry that nobody remembers I pointed out exactly this like yesterday. ONLY ToonyMan could have killed TricMagic, and, if ToonyMan did it, he drew attention to the fact that the redirects would shake out this way since he explained that his auto-scrubber went from Jim → 4mask → TricMagic too.
I WAS WATCHING 4MASKWOLF AND BECAUSE OF TOONYMAN'S BUSSING OF 4MASKWOLF AND TRICMAGIC I ENDED UP WATCHING TRICMAGIC. I ONLY SAW TOONYMAN VISIT.
In other words, EITHER TricMagic was not the kill target OR ToonyMan is stupid, can't go any other way. I'm willing to buy either, sorry ToonyMan, but you at least have to convince me.
Incidentally, wouldn't it be nice if webadict were still around so we could ask whether, if someone did two actions on the same target, that person would appear to a watcher once or twice?I'm not caught up, I just saw this while posting, but I want to point out: no, useless, even if ToonyMan (say) is a godfather then his role is still just whatever dumb thing he submitted, it won't SAY whether he is a godfather or not, all I could do is say "well maybe it would make sense for him to be a godfather with this role" but that's no more or less than I can already do. If you saw my rolename it wouldn't tell you anything useful, although you could correctly infer that I probably have some kind of inspect.Godfathers, presumably?Euchre, you must see that it's highly unlikely that this set up would have a pure cop. Everyone has bizarro roles, no?I'm not a pure cop and I said I wasn't a pure cop. I'm a cop, a rolecop, and can [OTHER THING], at my leisure. If I rolecop someone I can then copcop that person for free afterward, but I didn't bother because I wanted more useful information and I never really saw much value in rolecopping in a BYOR.Max, this is exactly what I'm saying. This "the other cop would counter claim" business is nonsense. Anyway what with Roden, Euchre and Tric's shenanigans, I've moved back into thinking you're more likely town.It's not nonsense, literally no other person has claimed to be any kind of cop, which should suggest to you that nobody else is any kind of cop.
You’re forgetting Euchre, Jim. He already claimed to have a ninja-like ability that makes him unnoticeable when acting.
In all fairness, from what I can tell, there is absolutely no way that you can see me. So if I got caught up in that mess, you would not know.Okay no I didn't know you had ever claimed this, when did that happen? I guess it doesn't matter currently anyway.
Name drop everything about your role. The name of your role and the name of every ability.Tric if you're going to kill yourself again at least give a nice summary of your reads with a full-rundown of your role.... Already did. Auto that lets me befriend someone at the start of day 1, allowing me to revive so long as they are alive. Doctor ability. And a 1-shot Sacrifice that kills me but prevents other deaths that night. If I have my auto, it also removes it after I'm revived..
This is important.
@NQT:
I am also fairly confident that Max is town, NQT.
Also Tric has already revealed these details before I guess you missed that.
I am Pinkamena Diane Pie. My Auto is Friendship is Magic, my ability Laughter is the Best Medicine, and my 1-shot named Sacrifice.Perfect.
You can just call me Pinkie Pie though. The actual role name is "Pinkie Pie Mafia Party!"
Or is it just Max that's claiming there can only be one tracker and you that's claiming there's only one cop? I need to go back and check...I never claimed this.
Also Max you also are forgetting that multiple people have openly claimed to be unfindable when they perform actions.... multiple people now? I don't remember anyone claiming not to appear to a watcher (until EuchreJack JUST did that I just quoted). Not being impossible to track - obviously anyone who can't be targeted is - but not appearing when someone ELSE is targeted, which is more special.
Max,I didn't actually say that, I said I like to do it in some contexts, not as a general rule. But uh, okay, sure, you claimed to have tracked someone, right? Investigative JOAT seems plausible, I wouldn't consider that the same thing because you don't have alignment results to claim. It probably contravenes what Jack was asserting about counterclaiming, sure, but I was saying something similar but different, and I only objected to you treating those two things as the same. I'm not here to defend what Jack said, I'm defending what I said.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why did I signup for thisThis one I agree with.
(Petition to vote bronies on principle)(This one too.)
Pinkamena Diane Pie
Friendship is Magic
Laughter is the Best Medicine
Sacrifice
(Petition to vote bronies on principle)
Pinkamena Diane Pie
Friendship is Magic
Laughter is the Best Medicine
Sacrifice
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ONE OF THESE IS NOT LIKE THE OTHER.
We're not voting TricMagic. I need him for...T H E P L A NOminous.
Although... scumroden is in the best place if people think he's town vig, as he just says the kill was his and mafia holstered and any track will confirm this.Claiming the mafia holstered is a much harder sell than you seem to think it is.
Does anyone else think anything is wrong with Jack's vote on Jim?
We're not voting TricMagic. I need him for...T H E P L A N
Dude, it was almost exactly one year ago when you went to the Championship and one of your competitors self-voted to keep their mafia selves from getting ousted.(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/306758456998887429/743517751405969508/image0.png)I can't think of a game I've played where mafia self-vote, can somebody find a game I was in where mafia self-voted?
Tric if you're going to kill yourself again at least give a nice summary of your reads with a full-rundown of your role.... Already did. Auto that lets me befriend someone at the start of day 1, allowing me to revive so long as they are alive. Doctor ability. And a 1-shot Sacrifice that kills me but prevents other deaths that night. If I have my auto, it also removes it after I'm revived..
As for reads... We got 3 millers, I believe Roden and Jim are town. I don't actually trust you or max, hence if I died tonight, I'd want your actions looked at. 4mask is probably mafia. And NQT is just... NQT. I can never read him it seems.
Jack is Jack, he doesn't exactly inspire towniness in me.
Tric, I'll be trying to do something with you tonight. I have a really good plan and you'll see what I mean if it works.@Toony & Roden: Jim claims that any action on him would go to 4mask. Thus, why shoot 4mask when you can test Jim's claim?
Roden, I still want you to shoot 4mask tonight if possible.
NQT, who should I vote?
Pretty much. At the moment though it's you and 4mask.
Toony is apparently going to vote later. Which.. Isn't great. It's these types of things which makes me mistrust him..
Or we could vote Jim out. Either or, but would rather remove 4mask.
4maskwolf
I'm going to believe in Jim (who believed in me EOD1) and I will not be voting 4mask today.
Role: Lizard
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PT} (Auto) Cold-Blooded: You cannot be tracked or roleblocked, and your actions cannot be seen by others. You inspect as Mafia.
{P10} (Night) Tail [target]: You secretly tail your target. You see who they visit.
{P10} (Night) Predator [target]: Your eyes are distinctly attuned to motion. You learn the number of Actions performed on and by your target. (This count does not include your Action(s).)
Role: Caps Lock Jim Groovester from Double Agent Micro Mafia
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PT} (Auto) Caps Lock: YOUR CONSTANT YELLING MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE MAFIA. Inspects targeting you show your alignment as Mafia.
{P4} (Auto) Cruise Control [target]: YOU ARE TOO COOL. During the first Day, you may target another Player. While the target is alive, all Actions are redirected to the target, except Actions performed by the target.
{P10} (Night) Who Did It [self]: WHO TARGETED YOU? Choose One - You learn all Players that targeted your target; OR you learn what Actions targeted your target; OR you learn who your target targeted; OR you learn what Action(s) your target performed. This Action specifically targets yourself and is affected by redirection.
In.
Predicting a town loss after trying to mechanically solve the game with imperfect information and a night 2 Jim kill.
I somehow didn’t die last night.I am very curious why you are still alive.
As am I.I somehow didn’t die last night.I am very curious why you are still alive.
This has nothing to do with the game, but I noticed it's your birthday when I went to check your posts.<3 Thank you!
Could this be the luck of the birthday cake? Also happy birthday!
I'm the one that stole the Celestial Gauntlets from you 4mask. I actually targeted Jim, but presumably it was redirected to you. I can confirm the Celestial Gauntlets are an item that stop protections. It's also a free action.Wait,,, didn't read 4mask's role reveal. What the hell 4mask?
The item I received from TricMagic is the Celestial Gauntlets, which is a one-shot free action that blocks any protections on the target from working. I acted like the item I got from him was super valuable to try and draw the mafiakill, but in truth it was completely fucking worthless.What was the exact wording on that? Does it ignore Redirects, miller, doctor, and roleblocking? Cause that item is actually fairly powerful on a cop.
So, Tric, why don't you explain to the class why you have an anti-protection ability?
If I'm a godfather then half the players in this game give bad results to our cop which is pretty twisted.By the way, upon rereading my role PM last night, I realized that this is entirely plausible and would not be twisted at all, because my role has a trick that I failed to understand while half-asleep. I'm not saying you are or aren't, yet, but it turns out that there could be any number of millers/godfathers and I could still determine their correct alignments if I do it right. Which I didn't during that first night because I mistook my action, but things will be different now.
Also, I can't really have done the kill without some trick, as I protected 4mask last night. 4mask could have done the kill, but a protective item doesn't really make sense unless the team is Toony/4mask. (Thanks for noting that, makes clearing 4mask much easier.)For christ sake don't throw the game. THIS:
NQT kinda needs to argue against being mafia. Max is also going to need a big argument and an action claim. However I'm certain he's just going to say they targeted me last night to confirm my town-ness. Was Toony that wanted that info out there.
Ninja max. Who'd you target and what's the verdict?
At this point, I can probobly put 4mask into the Town list. Roden's also town, obviously. Including me, that leaves NQT, Max, and Toony on the outs.is... retarded.
Who did you target then? Also Toony's end of day threw me off hard. You just don't do that sort of thing unless you're mafia.It was an incredibly STUPID move if he's town and I admit it looks extremely scummy, yes.
You made a vote, then immediately switched it at the last second. That's why. Seriously, Toony, what the hell!I mean, that doesn't mean you don't still have two cop claims to choose from to protect, neither of whom were Toony! If Toony is scum, that's not MY fault!
Tric, 4mask is mafia and is trying to mislynch you today.Toony, 4mask was going to get lynched then you freaking switched to Jack. Also that tone is the exact wrong one to use with me, you are just buddying up. As well, stealing items very much wasn't in your claim. Why did you want my full role yesterday?
... Who was the other cop who claimed? I don't remember one happening.NQT. He was subtle about it, and then very unsubtle about it when I didn't get it the first time.
...... Who was the other cop who claimed? I don't remember one happening.NQT. He was subtle about it, and then very unsubtle about it when I didn't get it the first time.
I asked for your exact role names because I have another ability to refill a player's oneshots. I was going to give you Sacrifice back, but I didn't realize you would just die and not res without your auto so I decided it wasn't worth it. I'm sorry about the last minute vote switch, I swore to Jim I wouldn't vote 4mask but I still felt horrible voting Jack.GOOD, I'VE BEEN WONDERING WHO HAD THAT.
Lmao Max, I went into the day saying I'd performed the kill on Jim but not by my own choice, someone has the power to force others to take actions.You were serious about that? With all the shit you say it's hard to tell, okay.
I don't just randomly say shit like that on D3 lmao.Lmao Max, I went into the day saying I'd performed the kill on Jim but not by my own choice, someone has the power to force others to take actions.You were serious about that? With all the shit you say it's hard to tell, okay.
How could I possibly know that?! I didn't think there was a timer involved, I just thought "clearly 4maskwolf has a pattern of saying weird nonsense".I don't just randomly say shit like that on D3 lmao.Lmao Max, I went into the day saying I'd performed the kill on Jim but not by my own choice, someone has the power to force others to take actions.You were serious about that? With all the shit you say it's hard to tell, okay.
Wow.How could I possibly know that?! I didn't think there was a timer involved, I just thought "clearly 4maskwolf has a pattern of saying weird nonsense".I don't just randomly say shit like that on D3 lmao.Lmao Max, I went into the day saying I'd performed the kill on Jim but not by my own choice, someone has the power to force others to take actions.You were serious about that? With all the shit you say it's hard to tell, okay.
I'm pretty much just a tracker but even then my role has some additionally weirdness.
Max, this is exactly what I'm saying. This "the other cop would counter claim" business is nonsense. Anyway what with Roden, Euchre and Tric's shenanigans, I've moved back into thinking you're more likely town.It's not nonsense, literally no other person has claimed to be any kind of cop, which should suggest to you that nobody else is any kind of cop.
Max,Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, I can't really have done the kill without some trick, as I protected 4mask last night.
Oh so it's 4mask and NQT, that was easy.Going to share your thoughts with the rest of the class?
Max, do you think scum!4mask would be stupid enough to kill Jim when everyone knows he's the only person who can target Jim, and also Jim was one of the few players actively calling 4mask town?Yes. I have literally used "come on, I wouldn't be dumb enough to try that!" as an alibi before.
OK, refuge in stupidity is absolutely a strategy, I'm just not sure it's the most likely.Max, do you think scum!4mask would be stupid enough to kill Jim when everyone knows he's the only person who can target Jim, and also Jim was one of the few players actively calling 4mask town?Yes. I have literally used "come on, I wouldn't be dumb enough to try that!" as an alibi before.
What do you think of:I don't see anything I would call cryptic; what do you mean?
1. Toony's crypticness?
2. Roden's reticence to speak about the think he'd bigged up doing all of D2?I think we're all very eager to hear about it, yes.
3. TricMagic protecting 4mask of all people?Distressingly NAI.
(Also, I have to laugh, Roden was so insistent that the claimed 'vig' and 'cop' had to be kept alive, and then neither of them did any killing or copping.)I did copping.
I don't see anything I would call cryptic; what do you mean?His vague pronouncements about knowing who scum is (without giving any reason), his reluctance to claim despite thinking the game is lock, his contradictory position that a nolynch would be good to day etc.
Unfortunately I am not ready to tell you who I targeted yet because I did something different in order to use my role more efficiently. In other words, I don't have the results you want, yet.
I did copping.You just can't claim it, huh. I hope you survive until D4 so we can see that 4D chess move play out.
Is Max scum too NQT?I don't know who scum are. Tric and Roden are the best guess with the evidence but I'm not going to go soft on everyone else because of that.
His vague pronouncements about knowing who scum is (without giving any reason), his reluctance to claim despite thinking the game is lock, his contradictory position that a nolynch would be good to day etc.Oh, okay. Not really what I would call cryptic. He's not talking in riddles, just making bald assertions. Well, pushing nolynch in order to stall during MYLO is a known scum ToonyMan move, but it's also... an actual thing you might want to do during MYLO, so it's hard for me to make a firm statement on that. And, to be clear, switching to lynch EuchreJack, definitely one of the least lynchworthy players, was absolutely an anti-town move. I'm not saying I wouldn't lynch ToonyMan, but since I can know his alignment with guaranteed certainty tonight, I'm not really that into it either. On the other hand, he deserves it, no question. But we don't all get what we deserve.
I don't know who scum are. Tric and Roden are the best guess with the evidence but I'm not going to go soft on everyone else because of that.I don't really believe that this setup is completely without any town doctoring. If nothing else, it would be a pretty shitty thing to do to me given that my role works best if I don't do anything useful until the last minute. If someone else wants to claim to have a protective ability, I'll reconsider this.
Toony, why did town!Tric protect 4mask?I'm not going to supply the answers here since you didn't ask me, but I definitely have some.
How would you explain my Sacrifice play NQT?Plenty of possible explanations:
Toony, why did town!Tric protect 4mask? Why did scum!4mask shoot Jim of all people?Jim is the one player that Tric wouldn't be able to protect.
Why did you protect 4mask?Sure. A town TricMagic would see me claiming to have investigated ToonyMan, as well as ToonyMan's insistence that I'm town, as evidence that we're connected. He then sees ToonyMan make a last-minute vote change to what turned out to be a town lynch; a town TricMagic tends to assume way too much significance of any action that doesn't give him, personally, time to respond. He thinks "that's just what Max did on day 1, and I know they're connected, so they're probably a scum team!" He looks back over the thread and sees ToonyMan attacking 4maskwolf, and thinks "ToonyMan has it in for 4maskwolf, so I had better protect him instead of risking protecting an evil mafioso by following the original plan."
(Max, you can answer this too if you like)
Jim is the one player that Tric wouldn't be able to protect.This is almost a good point... except it's wrong. A town doctor Tric cannot protect himself. Why not shoot the doctor? Sorry to have to point out such an obvious mistake in your reasoning here, Toon.
a town TricMagic tends to assume way too much significance of any action that doesn't give him, personally, time to respond.This is definitely a deep read of Tric's regular perspective. But I am a bit burned out on "Tric would never act like this" from that game last year where everyone consistently misjudged him over this sort of thing.
I'm a bus driver NQT. It's too risky for mafia to try to kill Tric. I can't protect Jim the same way Tric can't protect Jim either.You also stole an item, so clearly you aren't just that, if you ever were.
I'm a bus driver NQT. It's too risky for mafia to try to kill Tric. I can't protect Jim the same way Tric can't protect Jim either.Is it though? Is there a world where you and Tric are both town and you decide to bus the doctor, in a game where there is a claimed vig? I don't buy it.
I am many things.I'm a bus driver NQT. It's too risky for mafia to try to kill Tric. I can't protect Jim the same way Tric can't protect Jim either.You also stole an item, so clearly you aren't just that, if you ever were.
If that is this world, why didn't you bus Tric?How would you know? I bus drived Tric and 4mask on N1 and Max recommended I bus Tric with someone on N2. I haven't claimed my second action for N2. I want to claim it after everyone else has.
Are you fucking serious right now
N1 I tracked Roden but it failed because he's untrackable.
N2 I tracked 4mask. 4mask targeted Jim. There was scum between them and any targetter of 4mask.
I knew there was no point tracking Roden again (untrackable),
NQT, you're not a pure Tracker. Full claim please.
Also can you guys please stop lynching my town reads?
I also want Tric to claim who he targeted last night.The reason I made these requests is because I targeted you, NQT. Everyone acting shocked that 4mask isn't dead...why? Why are you confused? I made it clear I wanted to lynch NQT yesterday and only wanted to Vig 4mask because no one else was a viable target. But since you guys wanted to mis-lynch an obvtown after I told you all not to AGAIN, I feel like it should be obvious that I was going to shoot NQT.
ALRIGHT.
I REDIRECTED EVERYBODY EXCEPT 4MASKWOLF TO 4MASKWOLF. I ALSO WATCHED TOONYMAN VISIT 4MASKWOLF. I AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN HOW I AM ABLE TO DO BOTH OF THESE THINGS.
I DID NOT LOSE ANY AUTOS AND I HAVE NO INDICATION THAT ANYTHING THAT I DID FAILED. I'M SOMEWHAT CONFUSED BY THE RESULTS IN THIS CASE. A COUPLE POINTS OF CONFUSION AND OBSERVATION:
I) IF TOONYMAN IS TELLING THE TRUTH, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT EVERYTHING, INCLUDING MY OWN ACTION TO WATCH 4MASKWOLF, WOULD HAVE TARGETED TRICMAGIC, SO I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD HAVE SEEN MORE THAN JUST TOONYMAN.
II) IF MY ACTIONS ARE SUCCESSFUL I DON'T SEE HOW NOTQUITETHERE TRACKS RODEN AND GETS A RESULT THAT HE'S UNTRACKABLE, UNLESS NOTQUITETHERE IS IMMUNE TO REDIRECTS, TRICMAGIC IS UNTRACKABLE, SOME OTHER WEIRD SHIT IS GOING ON, OR NOTQUITETHERE IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH HIS CLAIM.
III) THE EFFECTS TRICMAGIC CLAIMED, I.E., DYING AND REVIVING AND LOSING HIS AUTO, ARE ALSO CONSISTENT WITH BEING THE TARGET OF THE NIGHT KILL AND TOONYMAN YOINKING HIS AUTOS.
I THINK TOONYMAN'S CLAIM IS BELIEVABLE. I FIND NOTQUITETHERE'S CLAIM SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN CLAIMED. IF NOTQUITETHERE'S CLAIM IS FALSE THEN THIS ALSO PUTS SUSPICION ONTO RODEN SINCE NOTQUITETHERE CLAIMED RODEN'S UNTRACKABILITY BEFORE RODEN CLAIMED IT.
Are you fucking serious right nowOr... and this might come as a surprise... I thought you were probably scum and so couldn't be trusted not to be lying about the temporariness of your untrackability. I couldn't risk my track failing because of shenanigans I knew you had already been capable of.
Why are you making this game so difficult??
I explained multiple times yesterday that I didn't Commute. I told Jack he could safely Track me. You didn't target me because you're either just not paying attention or you're scum!
You...realize that means if I was still untrackable, that it was undeniable proof that I'm lying scum...right?Are you fucking serious right nowOr... and this might come as a surprise... I thought you were probably scum and so couldn't be trusted not to be lying about the temporariness of your untrackability. I couldn't risk my track failing because of shenanigans I knew you had already been capable of.
Why are you making this game so difficult??
I explained multiple times yesterday that I didn't Commute. I told Jack he could safely Track me. You didn't target me because you're either just not paying attention or you're scum!
There's a funny possibility here if Toony is telling the truth. Roden is a 0% one-shot cowardly vigilante. (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12368) He has a vigilante power, it just always fails, and his ability to hide is the real power. This kind of thing might make sense in a game with only 9 players and a lot of fakeout abilities.Hider isn't naturally Ascetic though? What is a mafia Hider supposed to do with no town Vig?
Alternatively, Tric has some kind of area-of-effect protection (like if they protect one person, a random player is also protected)— again, it would make sense in a potentially high kill game where there are multiple killers and apparently kills can be duplicated(?!).
Or Toony is just lying. Note how he waited until everyone had claimed before revealing all the details.
Hider isn't naturally Ascetic though? What is a mafia Hider supposed to do with no town Vig?Obviously these would be whatever custom roles Web had made, I was just saying it's possible that if you are a town vig, you could unwittingly be a fake vig. That's in a world where the team is something like Tric/4mask.
Not really, you could just make some claim about how you misread your ability text and the players would believe it. After all Jim retconned his explanation of his own power on rereading it (quite truthfully). But, now you've truly, fully, nailed your flag to the mast on this one, I can always track you tonight.(https://preview.redd.it/4f3venztvp7z.jpg?auto=webp&s=cff2e0208d61ff7208ef0b513423013974ee0596)
That said, another reason for tracking someone else is that as you claimed miller, the pseudocop part of my power is useless against you.
Does a one-shot get spent if the player is role-blocked?1. No. Roleblocking would not allow the Player to perform the Action.
Does a one-shot get spent if the action fails on the target? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on a bulletproof player.
Does a one-shot get spent if the action succeeds, but because of outside forces the end result doesn't occur? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on someone, but another player made getting killed impossible for that night.
2. In the case of an Action failure, no. However, the specific case you mentioned may not necessarily be an Action failure. Bulletproofs that cause Kill Actions to fail, specifically, would indeed result in the one-shot Kill being refunded.
3. Yes. The Action succeeded, even if the target wasn't killed.
You are testing the limits of my medicationYou know, your apparent inability to mentally conceive that other people think you might be scum is a tick in favour of you being town after all. But you still haven't come up with teams or explanations, so my judgement is still suspended.
NQT the only reason I haven't voted you right now is that Toony has claimed like five different OP abilities and still isn't dead. Nobody was protecting him nor his god tier set of abilities, yet mafia was more scared of a Miller claim.It is a puzzler, I will admit. OK so this is starting to move towards solving. Work through that thought. If Toony is scum, then who's on his team? How did the kill go down?
This exchange is very pertinent:My action was successful, I wasn't given a refund. And I was never told that my Doc 1-shot was stolen at any point, so I still have it and I know it wasn't used to protect you. Tric is claiming to protect 4mask, which itself is a horrible decision and idk why Tric would fake targeting 4mask if he really targeted you. So I do believe his claim.Does a one-shot get spent if the player is role-blocked?1. No. Roleblocking would not allow the Player to perform the Action.
Does a one-shot get spent if the action fails on the target? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on a bulletproof player.
Does a one-shot get spent if the action succeeds, but because of outside forces the end result doesn't occur? For example, if a player used a one-shot vig on someone, but another player made getting killed impossible for that night.
2. In the case of an Action failure, no. However, the specific case you mentioned may not necessarily be an Action failure. Bulletproofs that cause Kill Actions to fail, specifically, would indeed result in the one-shot Kill being refunded.
3. Yes. The Action succeeded, even if the target wasn't killed.
Was your vig power used up Roden? If it wasn't then you can use tonight to do whatever clearing you thought you were planning on D2; if it was used up then this proves beyond all doubt that I don't have any unclaimed bulletproof or roleblocking or whatever.You are testing the limits of my medicationYou know, your apparent inability to mentally conceive that other people think you might be scum is a tick in favour of you being town after all. But you still haven't come up with teams or explanations, so my judgement is still suspended.
MaxI didn't say that; I said "distressingly NAI". It could just as easily be fake, but you can't deny it could be genuine.a town TricMagic tends to assume way too much significance of any action that doesn't give him, personally, time to respond.This is definitely a deep read of Tric's regular perspective. But I am a bit burned out on "Tric would never act like this" from that game last year where everyone consistently misjudged him over this sort of thing.
Max would your inspect on Toony show if he was third party?Absolutely, yes. It's a standard "I get told the alignment" and I heard town.
Max is that an infallible inspect or is Godfather still on the table here? Also "Everyone" includes you. What teams do you think fit with what we're seeing here?My d1 inspection of Toony was normal. Infallibility is only a one-shot, so I didn't use it.
Why do you fixate on the ability name "Friendship is Magic"? If Tric is scum we don't have any reason to believe it's even real; it's not like literally any human being who has been aware of the internet for the past few years couldn't come up with it.I'm just spitballing with what fits. I assumed he might well be telling the truth as ability-name and role-name cops are absolutely a thing as you well know. If he's lying about the ability names, it doesn't change the rest of the facts.
What about the more pressing question? You not even going to attempt to put together this puzzle?I'm not really the kind of guy who just blurts out my reads like that. Just be patient please.
I honestly have no clue. Nobody has verifiable information. There's a contradiction with your not-death but I don't know how it's possible.NQT the only reason I haven't voted you right now is that Toony has claimed like five different OP abilities and still isn't dead. Nobody was protecting him nor his god tier set of abilities, yet mafia was more scared of a Miller claim.It is a puzzler, I will admit. OK so this is starting to move towards solving. Work through that thought. If Toony is scum, then who's on his team? How did the kill go down?
Additionally, Toony should give up the Celestial Gauntlets, preferably to me, to avoid any interference with our protection efforts.Hahaha, no. It's self-evident that he should give them up to me, since under this theory I'm the only one being protected - even if I am mafia, I can't usefully use it!
...Good point actually. You won't use them to get yourself killed.Additionally, Toony should give up the Celestial Gauntlets, preferably to me, to avoid any interference with our protection efforts.Hahaha, no. It's self-evident that he should give them up to me, since under this theory I'm the only one being protected - even if I am mafia, I can't usefully use it!
NQT the only reason I haven't voted you right now is that Toony has claimed like five different OP abilities and still isn't dead. Nobody was protecting him nor his god tier set of abilities, yet mafia was more scared of a Miller claim.I have six one-shots. They're broken into two sets of three.
Everyone
I think I'm the only player that has tried to actually account fully for what happened and build some team possibilities. Who do you all think are scum and how?
These are the only teams that I can believe exist at this point in time:
4mask/NQT
4mask/Jim
Jack/Max
Tric and Roden are always town.
This is why I can't resist voting 4mask.
If this is all true, that explains why you were surprised that 4mask was alive. You basically tried to double up my Vig shot on 4mask. So Tric did protect 4mask...but, why is NQT alive? I don't get it, my action succeeded. Did your action succeed too, Toony?NQT the only reason I haven't voted you right now is that Toony has claimed like five different OP abilities and still isn't dead. Nobody was protecting him nor his god tier set of abilities, yet mafia was more scared of a Miller claim.I have six one-shots. They're broken into two sets of three.
Set one:
1. Remove all autos from my target
2. Steal a non-mafiakill ability from my target, if I name a specific ability they own I take that one
3. Restore a random one-shot the target owns, if I name a specific one-shot it'll be that one
Set two:
1. Copy target1's action and use it on target2. I cannot choose the same target for both.
2. Make the target unaffected by roleblocks
3. Bus drive target1 and target2
I can name my role and abilities if you want.
I'm allowed to use one from each set each night. I'll be completely out of abilities after N3 if I use my last two one-shots, however D4 should be the final day at most so that's irrelevant.
N1 actions:
I used the auto-wipe, targeting Jim
I used the bus drive, targeting 4mask and Tric
N2 actions:
I used the ability steal (didn't specify anything), targeting Jim
I used the copy ability, targeting Roden and 4mask
I have the one-shot restore and the make the target unaffected by roleblocks abilities left, plus the Celestial Gauntlets I took.
I feel confident that mafia will not be able to win if we no-lynch today, however I want to discuss this game over the course of the weekend and not end it early.
@webadict: Under what circumstances might a kill action succeed, but the target still be walking around alive? It seems to me that would only make sense in the case of an explicit revive, not protection; and in the case of an explicit revive we'd have seen the target die and come back like with TricMagic. Is that so? Is it possible that a player might have a revive ability which works silently?All Actions succeed regardless of the Night outcome UNLESS they are unable to complete due to roleblocking or insufficient targeting (This could be a dead or ineligible target, or some other insufficient Action requirement.) Any Action may succeed but not necessarily complete as intended, such as your example of a kill being protected against. Both the protect and kill succeed, as they were not roleblocked or unable to target, but the kill resolution was halted by protection.
Did your action succeed too, Toony?My actions were successful on both nights, yes.
Night 2Actually one thing is confirmed for Night 2:
nothing
...Did your action succeed too, Toony?My actions were successful on both nights, yes.
@webadict: Under what circumstances might a kill action succeed, but the target still be walking around alive? It seems to me that would only make sense in the case of an explicit revive, not protection; and in the case of an explicit revive we'd have seen the target die and come back like with TricMagic. Is that so? Is it possible that a player might have a revive ability which works silently?All Actions succeed regardless of the Night outcome UNLESS they are unable to complete due to roleblocking or insufficient targeting (This could be a dead or ineligible target, or some other insufficient Action requirement.) Any Action may succeed but not necessarily complete as intended, such as your example of a kill being protected against. Both the protect and kill succeed, as they were not roleblocked or unable to target, but the kill resolution was halted by protection.
I wouldn't rule out 4mask being on a scum team, but I think hitting Jim makes no sense when he could have shot a doc... unless he's on the same team as you.I more think there simply are not enough charts. Any reason for that?
Honestly that would fit a lot of the facts as we know them.
Tric, what do you think of Toony and Roden's claims to have both vigged and failed to vig? Do you think both are telling the truth?
Toony is a claimed double actor and with 4mask confirming the theft, we have reasonable reason to think he's telling the truth. He's in a good position to cause weird shenanigans.
WUBA, when would a theoretical auto-revive occur? Immediately or at the end of the night?Revives are categorical. Revives are always displayed to all Players regardless of when they happen, but Revives typically happen immediately when death occurs, but that isn't a hardline rule.
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TricMagic - 2 - 4maskwolf* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8363929#msg8363929), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8364092#msg8364092),
4maskwolf - 1 - Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8364051#msg8364051),
ToonyMan - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179638.msg8364049#msg8364049),
Maximum Spin - 0 -
notquitethere - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - Roden, ToonyMan,
4 to Hammer. Day ends on April 04, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~52 hours remaining).
Which means the Max super Cop plan is guaranteed to catch mafia, and likely just solved the game. Let's do it.Hold on, to be clear, what plan are you talking about? Me checking ToonyMan and expecting him to reload it if town?
NQT: Supposedly you believe that ToonyMan and 4maskwolf are both town. If so, you must presumably believe that they have genuinely exchanged an item that penetrates protects, specifically, between them. Do you believe that this item was actually a red herring, or that someone else has a secret, unmentioned protect ability? Are you softclaiming protection alongside your ridiculous "bad vibes smelling tracker" idea?Excellent point. 4mask and myself can confirm that 4mask received a protection-based ability from Tric, who has also claimed being a doctor.
It rules out possible team combinations at least. We know for certain that any combination of Toony/Max/me is impossible now, or else Tric would be hammered.Also true, if there were two mafia inside Toony/Max/Roden then two of us could hammer Tric for a reasonable game win.
We can take it further than that, you know.NQT: Supposedly you believe that ToonyMan and 4maskwolf are both town. If so, you must presumably believe that they have genuinely exchanged an item that penetrates protects, specifically, between them. Do you believe that this item was actually a red herring, or that someone else has a secret, unmentioned protect ability? Are you softclaiming protection alongside your ridiculous "bad vibes smelling tracker" idea?Excellent point. 4mask and myself can confirm that 4mask received a protection-based ability from Tric, who has also claimed being a doctor.
To be fair, Sacrifice is literally P1, there is no blocking it normally. Unless you use something that bypasses it entirely.We can take it further than that, you know.NQT: Supposedly you believe that ToonyMan and 4maskwolf are both town. If so, you must presumably believe that they have genuinely exchanged an item that penetrates protects, specifically, between them. Do you believe that this item was actually a red herring, or that someone else has a secret, unmentioned protect ability? Are you softclaiming protection alongside your ridiculous "bad vibes smelling tracker" idea?Excellent point. 4mask and myself can confirm that 4mask received a protection-based ability from Tric, who has also claimed being a doctor.
I can confirm that 4mask's role really is X-Com. So, why does X-Com dissect aliens? To use their technology against them. If you can confirm that 4mask received the ability to penetrate protection from dissecting Tric, it's reasonable to infer that he would have had the ability to use it as well.
It rules out possible team combinations at least. We know for certain that any combination of Toony/Max/me is impossible now, or else Tric would be hammered.
You point out a theoretical all-protect, but I already did that. It killed me.In this scenario, you used your existing all-protect as the fake claim for your N1 action, and what really happened on N1 was you died because you or your team mate shot 4mask and the shot was bussed onto you (but you also had a revive up your sleeve).
Max, as the only person I'm now pretty certain is town in all these scenarios, I'd like your input. I know you've been reluctant to give your own reads (bad play but possibly NAI for you) but I would like to know your assessment of the different teams I've laid out.You sure did ignore an awful lot of combinations. Maybe you thought they were less plausible, but I would have liked to know why.
I missed:Along with yourself and Tric, that makes 6 combinations you didn't mention. In the post, not the chart. Compared to 9 scenarios mentioned, that's an additional ⅔, seems like a lot to me.
Roden + Not Toony
I already mentioned this, but how could Roden have shot Jim if town!Toony confirms Roden made a shot and 4mask claims to have been hypnotised. Makes no sense
Toony and 4mask
4mask makes the kill, Toony protects NQT. Why?? Also makes no sense.
And.... I think that's it, right? Not "an awful lot of combinations", Max. I guess you assumed there were more combos unaccounted for after a glance at the chart. In each combo I describe, I say clearly whether its possible or remotely plausible.
Both Docs on you, Toony gives you the Doc block to ensure it can't be used to get you killed. For good measure, maybe Toony can use the Roleblock preventer ability to make sure your Cop check goes through.Which means the Max super Cop plan is guaranteed to catch mafia, and likely just solved the game. Let's do it.Hold on, to be clear, what plan are you talking about? Me checking ToonyMan and expecting him to reload it if town?
Ah just seeing this interesting point:You're cautious about a coordinated mis-lynch from me and Toony, yet you haven't unvoted...It rules out possible team combinations at least. We know for certain that any combination of Toony/Max/me is impossible now, or else Tric would be hammered.
Two mafia quickhammering Tric would require a degree of co-ordination between them, as just putting Tric at -1 and waiting would be a risky move. Still, it does give us good reason to doubt the Roden + Toony team, in favour of the Tric teams. The most straightforward reason Tric hasn't been hammered is that Tric is scum.
Roden and 4maskWhy on earth is it impossible for a mafia player to also have a one-shot kill of his own if his role is, by his own admission, a video game enemy with an attack? This is a BYOR, not a standard game where powers are assigned "logically".
4mask makes the kill, Roden shoots someone (who?) for Toony to copy. Who does Roden shoot? How come mafia have two kill powers in one night? It's not possible and the fact that you think this could be possible shows how little you've thought this through.
But even this scenario doesn't work because, unless I am mistaken, a protect is only good for one kill. Tric's protect would bounce Roden"s bullet but not Toony's.According to whom? Do you know the text of Tric's ability? Mine don't exactly work like normal vanilla abilities either.
Roden are you actually going to give me a reason Tric isn't scum here or are you going to keep sniping? I know you think I'm scum because I hurt your feelings suspecting you all game, but if you are town could you do some solving maybe?I've literally been scum reading your slot since before you replaced in.
NQT and 4maskHah!
4mask shoots Jim in a unforced error instead of the doctor, then NQT revives from being shot without creating a revived message. This is tactically unlikely and mechanically impossible.
I already mentioned this, but how could Roden have shot Jim if town!Toony confirms Roden made a shot and 4mask claims to have been hypnotised. Makes no senseI don't know if Roden actually shot. I can only confirm I copied him last night and successfuly performed an action that doesn't give back results. So Roden did something that doesn't give back results, like vigging. I claimed my second action last because I wanted Roden to claim without knowing what I did.
Max, if you have more than one one-shot I'll need to know the exact name of the one you want refilled."Validity".
Just radio silence from both sides?Who knows, maybe Roden and Toony are the mafia but can't actually kill tonight, so they can't guarantee a win by hammering and what Roden said earlier is invalid, and are instead planning to wait out a kill on you while half-assedly objecting.
Roden should be super scum from NQT's POV, but instead they copy 4mask and vote Tric even though Roden could have just as easily been the "hypnotizer" and not Tric.You could just read what I wrote.
It's obvious to me that the team must be TricMagic/Roden:
Tric 'protects' 4mask, after Roden had claimed to want to vig 4mask. So they set up their alibis early. Tric hypnotises ("power of friendship") 4mask into performing the kill. Jim was picked as the target because everyone knows only 4mask can kill Jim. And also Jim had expressed doubt about Tric's clam (the implausibility of "sacrifice").
Either that, or a scum!4mask just straight up shot Jim (why??) while his scum partner Tric doctored him, anticipating a shot from the vig. In either of these scenarios, Tric is scum. POE: Tric, Roden, 4mask.
It's fundamentally faulty though. If I protected 4mask, then how could I hypnotize them? So the team would have to be Roden/Tric, but you also need to look at night 1 where there was no kill, I simply revived. And looking at day 1 you see that I was flaunting that. But then, how did I set up the case where there was no night 1 kill? Still has to be Roden/Tric. But your base falls apart. It's built on sand, there isn't any reason to it NQT. Likewise, you accuse Toony of being scum, but focus on me, the easiest target to lynch. I would not be surprised if this is just theater.Roden should be super scum from NQT's POV, but instead they copy 4mask and vote Tric even though Roden could have just as easily been the "hypnotizer" and not Tric.You could just read what I wrote.It's obvious to me that the team must be TricMagic/Roden:
Tric 'protects' 4mask, after Roden had claimed to want to vig 4mask. So they set up their alibis early. Tric hypnotises ("power of friendship") 4mask into performing the kill. Jim was picked as the target because everyone knows only 4mask can kill Jim. And also Jim had expressed doubt about Tric's clam (the implausibility of "sacrifice").
Either that, or a scum!4mask just straight up shot Jim (why??) while his scum partner Tric doctored him, anticipating a shot from the vig. In either of these scenarios, Tric is scum. POE: Tric, Roden, 4mask.
At that time, with the facts as they were know to me, there were two likely teams. And both had Tric on them. So Tric was the best vote (and, indeed, still is for similar reasons). Simple predicate logic:
(A AND B) OR (B AND C) = B AND (C OR A)
Don't tell me you don't understand this basic argument.
Roden should be super scum from NQT's POV, but instead they copy 4mask and vote Tric even though Roden could have just as easily been the "hypnotizer" and not Tric.You could just read what I wrote.It's obvious to me that the team must be TricMagic/Roden:
Tric 'protects' 4mask, after Roden had claimed to want to vig 4mask. So they set up their alibis early. Tric hypnotises ("power of friendship") 4mask into performing the kill. Jim was picked as the target because everyone knows only 4mask can kill Jim. And also Jim had expressed doubt about Tric's clam (the implausibility of "sacrifice").
Either that, or a scum!4mask just straight up shot Jim (why??) while his scum partner Tric doctored him, anticipating a shot from the vig. In either of these scenarios, Tric is scum. POE: Tric, Roden, 4mask.
At that time, with the facts as they were know to me, there were two likely teams. And both had Tric on them. So Tric was the best vote (and, indeed, still is for similar reasons). Simple predicate logic:
(A AND B) OR (B AND C) = B AND (C OR A)
Don't tell me you don't understand this basic argument.
PfpThat's the fundamental flaw though. While we now know Roden didn't shoot 4mask last night, why would I know that? At the end of the day you have to say my doctor claim is complete bogus for that to work.
Tric, reread what I wrote. In that passage I'm saying you claimed protect but actually hypnotised in that scenario.
Guys, am I just really unclear?? Can I not wrote or something?
Also, Tric, that quote isn't even the latest bit of reasoning about your actions. See one of my more recent posts please.
.... Also, that is your most recent post. Are you paying attention or just trying to deflect attention?PfpThat's the fundamental flaw though. While we now know Roden didn't shoot 4mask last night, why would I know that? At the end of the day you have to say my doctor claim is complete bogus for that to work.
Tric, reread what I wrote. In that passage I'm saying you claimed protect but actually hypnotised in that scenario.
Guys, am I just really unclear?? Can I not wrote or something?
Also, Tric, that quote isn't even the latest bit of reasoning about your actions. See one of my more recent posts please.
Just radio silence from both sides?I'm literally just waiting for the day to end. If I were to vote now, I'd vote NQT, but I seeing as I have two different sides vying for my vote, I'd rather not. Let's just let the Cop do their job.
1. 4mask and I can confirm that Tric's death gave 4mask a protection based ability, not some hypnotizing ability. In addition, there would be no use for this item if Tric was mafia with the one exception of Roden's one-shot protect...which would also be useless if the team is Tric/Roden.[/i] - Argument for Tric protecting scenario
2. Roden said they were going to shoot last night, but only Jim died by 4mask's hand. Is Roden's entire role-claim on D2 false? They're either lying scum or something weird happened.
3. Roden said they shot you last night and you didn't die. Either he's lying, you're lying, or a hidden malefactor is at play. This hidden malefactor would not be Tric as it paints Roden poorly for no benefit in a Tric/Roden world.
Roden and Toony
Roden could have hypno'd 4mask, and Toony stolen an item. There never was any vig shots. Toony is a godfather.
ToonyRn you're making theories to match up with the facts, all to paint the team as someone else. Not actually working to determine which theories you have are false, you're just letting/1. 4mask and I can confirm that Tric's death gave 4mask a protection based ability, not some hypnotizing ability. In addition, there would be no use for this item if Tric was mafia with the one exception of Roden's one-shot protect...which would also be useless if the team is Tric/Roden.[/i] - Argument for Tric protecting scenario
2. Roden said they were going to shoot last night, but only Jim died by 4mask's hand. Is Roden's entire role-claim on D2 false? They're either lying scum or something weird happened.
3. Roden said they shot you last night and you didn't die. Either he's lying, you're lying, or a hidden malefactor is at play. This hidden malefactor would not be Tric as it paints Roden poorly for no benefit in a Tric/Roden world.
All three of these points were addressed in the most likely three teams I laid out. Again, I literally don't know why I bother when it's guaranteed nothing I write will be read. In all of these scenarios, Tric genuinely does use a protect and Roden either shoots or you and Roden are both lying. Literally accounted for all of this.Spoiler: All accounted for (click to show/hide)
Hell, I'm struggling to believe a town Toony would be this wilfully ignorant, just straight up pretending I've said things I haven't. What gives?
Max, Tric, 4mask some input on the Toony/Roden match up please. The action sequence repeated here for your convenience:Roden and Toony
Roden could have hypno'd 4mask, and Toony stolen an item. There never was any vig shots. Toony is a godfather.
That's all compatible with the facts as we know them, right?
Also Toony, I don't think there is any rule against trading items around during the day phase. So you can pass those gauntlets on now. (And 4mask should have been able to do that too instead of it being locked to an auto-thing.)If I can I'll give the Gauntlets to Max right now.
I got a response back from Web: I can't give away the Gauntlets, so they're staying with me.... Don't think that's how special items is webadict games normally work, or maybe it differs. Still not a good thing though for 4mask's case though.
Max, Tric, 4mask some input on the Toony/Roden match up please. The action sequence repeated here for your convenience:It's possible, but then why haven't they hammered?Roden and Toony
Roden could have hypno'd 4mask, and Toony stolen an item. There never was any vig shots. Toony is a godfather.
That's all compatible with the facts as we know them, right?
It's, unfortunately, consistent with what 4mask said - that he had an *auto* that allowed him to give away the items - so we can't say anything with certainty.I got a response back from Web: I can't give away the Gauntlets, so they're staying with me.... Don't think that's how special items is webadict games normally work, or maybe it differs. Still not a good thing though for 4mask's case though.
Role: Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI)
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{P9} (Night) Standard Assessment [target]: You give the target a quick test. You learn the target’s role name.
{P9} (Night) Phase II Personality Test [target]: You give the target a longer test. You learn the target’s alignment. You can use this as a free Action on a target that was previously targeted with Standard Assessment.
{P-1} (1-Shot, Night, Free) Validity: Your Phase II Personality Test is not affected by other Abilities. This is a free Action.
NQT, don't give your results until Tric answers what he did last night.Good idea.
How in the world did you shoot someone though? None of your abilities does that.I copied Roden on N2. I strongly believe they tried to shoot NQT, which also failed FOR SOME REASON.
{P9} (Night) Phase II Personality Test [target]: You give the target a longer test. You learn the target’s alignment. You can use this as a free Action on a target that was previously targeted with Standard Assessment.Why does this exist? We have 3 millers who are all town. So why wouldn't mafia have 1 town who is actually mafia?
{P-1} (1-Shot, Night, Free) Validity: Your Phase II Personality Test is not affected by other Abilities. This is a free Action.
I don't trust NQT so this is a test depending on how they're deciding to play today.Or they can argue Toony/4mask.
They'll need to argue the mafia is Roden/Tric which I'll fight, or Toony/Tric which I'll fight. They could also include 4mask as a bus option which would be funny.
Uh, yeah. And then I'll laugh and vote 4mask.I don't trust NQT so this is a test depending on how they're deciding to play today.Or they can argue Toony/4mask.
They'll need to argue the mafia is Roden/Tric which I'll fight, or Toony/Tric which I'll fight. They could also include 4mask as a bus option which would be funny.
Toony, how do you know mafia have an ability called Superkill?Mafia know why already so I'll explain.
Also, did you forget about how Tric claimed having an all-protect power? Mafia!Tric lies about using it on N1 and uses it N2. Tric/4mask is absolutely a team???
PfpI still don't get it.
Toony, my power gives a red check if the person I target was targeted by scum. I was pretty clear about this in my original claim. It gives like a bad mental energy about the target. So if mafia did hypno you and you're town, they must be godfather. Make sense?
Tric/ToonyToony/Roden is impossible because of yesterday.
Toony/Roden
Tric/4mask
I've already full claimed.Right, I'll double-check the Havel posts.
It's a point in your favour but its not knock-down. Of course either way, town or scum, you'd want me to take this at face value. But in a game with vigs, redirects, buses, blocks etc, scum are probably going to be more reluctant to out themselves. So, "less likely" but not "impossible".Yes, obviously, since that would clear me of the clear and Roden. Which leaves NQT, Toony, and 4mask as the only ones who could do it in that sceanrio. As is I protected Max, but it didn't work. Roden protected Max, but it didn't work. I'm pretty sure you can clear us and clear that up. Instead you "tracked" Toony, mucking things up. I find it interesting 4mask hasn't claimed anything, nor has anyone claimed they received items.
Toony, Tric, 4mask. If you were in my shoes last night, would you have tracked Roden after he asked for just that?
Also, I wonder... if you copied a hypnotist Toony... would you mimic their hypnotising or the action they had hypnotised their target into performing?
Still need a full claim from 4mask.
It's a point in your favour but its not knock-down. Of course either way, town or scum, you'd want me to take this at face value. But in a game with vigs, redirects, buses, blocks etc, scum are probably going to be more reluctant to out themselves. So, "less likely" but not "impossible".I've already full claimed lmao, shove off. I literally provided scum on a silver platter but apparently nobody wanted to listen to what I have to say.
Toony, Tric, 4mask. If you were in my shoes last night, would you have tracked Roden after he asked for just that?
Also, I wonder... if you copied a hypnotist Toony... would you mimic their hypnotising or the action they had hypnotised their target into performing?
Still need a full claim from 4mask.
Not exactly helpful.It's a point in your favour but its not knock-down. Of course either way, town or scum, you'd want me to take this at face value. But in a game with vigs, redirects, buses, blocks etc, scum are probably going to be more reluctant to out themselves. So, "less likely" but not "impossible".I've already full claimed lmao, shove off. I literally provided scum on a silver platter but apparently nobody wanted to listen to what I have to say.
Toony, Tric, 4mask. If you were in my shoes last night, would you have tracked Roden after he asked for just that?
Also, I wonder... if you copied a hypnotist Toony... would you mimic their hypnotising or the action they had hypnotised their target into performing?
Still need a full claim from 4mask.
N2 I took no action but was forced into performing the mafia kill on Jim Groovester.
N3 I used Psi Armor on its watch mode and saw nobody target me. I also received Skullmine which is a one-shot peek showing up far, far too late to be any good.
I didn't give out an item last night, or N2, lmao. I didn't have any items worth sharing with the class.Not exactly helpful.It's a point in your favour but its not knock-down. Of course either way, town or scum, you'd want me to take this at face value. But in a game with vigs, redirects, buses, blocks etc, scum are probably going to be more reluctant to out themselves. So, "less likely" but not "impossible".I've already full claimed lmao, shove off. I literally provided scum on a silver platter but apparently nobody wanted to listen to what I have to say.
Toony, Tric, 4mask. If you were in my shoes last night, would you have tracked Roden after he asked for just that?
Also, I wonder... if you copied a hypnotist Toony... would you mimic their hypnotising or the action they had hypnotised their target into performing?
Still need a full claim from 4mask.
N2 I took no action but was forced into performing the mafia kill on Jim Groovester.
N3 I used Psi Armor on its watch mode and saw nobody target me. I also received Skullmine which is a one-shot peek showing up far, far too late to be any good.
N2 should have a claim though, why don't you? Likewise, who did you give an item to last night?
I didn't give out an item last night, or N2, lmao. I didn't have any items worth sharing with the class.Okay.
I did claim for N2, my claim is "I did jack-shit", because my role was reliant on the "right people" dying to get useable night actions and those deaths didn't happen until N2 itself (I could have used overdrive serum but I had already given it to Jim).Don't you mean you killed Jim which would have overwritten any action you tried to do instead anyway, lmao?
Either 4mask didn't give an item, or they gave it to their partner and they're staying quiet.I wouldn't know on the last part, that's your claim. I didn't attempt to do anything so I just woke up from what was flavored like hypnosis after having performed the kill on Jim. I was just told I performed the mafiakill, no frills attached.
Now is me voting NQT a good idea? It only loses to:
Roden/Tric - very unlikely
Roden/4mask - unlikely, but more possible
NQT is playing like complete ass and lying if I believe Roden, so I'll probably vote NQT tonight for:
1. Not tracking Roden or Tric
2. Roden tried to kill them N2 and it didn't work for unknown reasons
It's probably just 4mask/NQT, you know, the team everybody suspected at the start of D2 except freaking Jim defending 4mask because he gave him a single extra vote. NQT also ties themselves to 4mask because by claiming malicious forces were involved with them killing Jim. I still have no idea what NQT means by there being a godfather involved with me killing Max last night and wish he would explain better. If there was a godfather involved, wouldn't there NOT be malicious forces?
PPE:I didn't give out an item last night, or N2, lmao. I didn't have any items worth sharing with the class.Okay.I did claim for N2, my claim is "I did jack-shit", because my role was reliant on the "right people" dying to get useable night actions and those deaths didn't happen until N2 itself (I could have used overdrive serum but I had already given it to Jim).Don't you mean you killed Jim which would have overwritten any action you tried to do instead anyway, lmao?
NGL this whole superkill thing feels very much like an excuse for using the celestial gauntlets.Vote me then, I'm convinced it'll be a vote including town&mafia (the same way Roden voting NQT is clearly town&mafia) and we can remove some more possibilities.
I'm not so confident that you're a wolf that I'm willing to risk a quickhammer. It's a bad look, certainly, but I wouldn't call you confirmed scum, especially since I know from experience the wolves can force other people to perform kills for them. If you're confident I'm a wolf then why don't you vote me for the same effect?NGL this whole superkill thing feels very much like an excuse for using the celestial gauntlets.Vote me then, I'm convinced it'll be a vote including town&mafia (the same way Roden voting NQT is clearly town&mafia) and we can remove some more possibilities.
This would include:
Roden/Tric
Roden/NQT
As not possible if we give them the opportunity to quickhammer and they don't do it.
Because I don't have to? I'm voting NQT later today....
Toony, if you were town why would you care if I tracked you?? Why wouldn't I track someone I wanted to launch yesterday?Perfect, this will confirm if mafia are Roden/4mask or Roden/Tric.
Tric is not conftown. You keep ignoring his protect all ability claim. Also Roden, did you figure out why Jim wouldn't be protected? Or have you given up?You keep inflating my all-protect claim. Give it up NQT.
NQT is pretty much confirmed mafia at this point, but I don't think we've ruled out any partner combinations with him. I'd prefer to have a guaranteed red flip today, though yeah I'm pretty sure it is just 4mask.I would prefer to vote 4mask, but fine.
Role: The X-Com Project
Alignment: Mafia
Wincon: You win when your team equals or outnumbers the remaining players and there are no ways to stop you.
{PT} (Auto) Top Secret: Inspections against you show as Town. Your other Abilities are not revealed on death.
Role: Yami Yugi
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PN} (Auto) Millennium Transformation: Once per Night, you may transform into Yugi Moto. If you do, you may use two Actions, as long as both Actions do not belong to Yami Yugi or Yugi Moto. (You may use an Ability from the role you transformed from.)
{P10} (1-Shot, Night) Mind Crush [target]: Remove all Auto Abilities from your target.
{P10} (1-Shot, Night) Duel [target]: You duel the target and take a random non-Mafiakill Action as a prize. If you name a non-Mafiakill Ability that the target owns, you gain that instead.
{P10} (1-Shot, Night) Shuffle [target/self]: Reshuffle your target’s deck. This restores one (1) use of a random 1-Shot the target owns. If you name an Ability the target has, you restore that one instead.
Role: Yugi Moto
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PN} (Auto) Millennium Transformation: Once per Night, you may transform into Yami Yugi. If you do, you may use two Actions, as long as both Actions do not belong to Yami Yugi or Yugi Moto. (You may use an Ability from the role you transformed from.)
{P0} (1-Shot, Night) Heart of the Cards [target1/self] [target2/self]: You copy target1’s Action and use it on target2. You cannot Choose the same targets.
{P-1} (1-Shot, Night) Horn Of The Unicorn [target/self]: The target is unaffected by roleblocks.
{P2} (1-Shot, Night) Magical Hats [target1/self] [target2]: You swap target1 and target2. Actions that target target1 target target2 instead and vice versa.
I was hypnotised into killing Toony.Incorrect, I was hypnotized into killing Toony. And I protected Roden, or tried to until I got hypno'd. It's a fancy trick, but that only leaves you as the last suspect NQT.
This overwrote my track attempt.
This was not a superkill.
Tric, why was the kill not protected?
Roden, what did you do last night?
Nothing lol. Tric probably targeted me.Nope. Townread you for a while. I was paranoid about Toony, but he's dead now.
Tric are you paranoid about me at all, or can we end this?
PfpThe only possibility is a double action hypnosis against the same target. Also, my claim has been claimed long ago. You are the one who have been trying to paint it as something it isn't. You've consistently been suspicious since you replaced. And perhaps most importantly, I've already town-read Roden, while you kept your role hidden. That happened all the way back on day 2 when he claimed before I cleared up what happened that night. Once you eleminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. And there are only two town and 1 scum left. I know I'm town, and I read Roden as town. That's really all there is to it, and good on Roden if he is mafia. Kept me fooled, so GG then.
It's LYLO. I'm not voting you until I'm certain. Unvote a moment before Roden hammers. If you're town, we've lost the game otherwise.
If Roden is scum, then he has a dual hypnotism. Like a free mimic item from 4mask. Mimicking and hypnotism seem to be the big themes of this game. I think it could still be Roden.
Think through the possibilities a moment here.
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Roden, if you are town, don't hammer and lose us the game. Think through Tric's claim here.
Thank you Tric.
So both Roden and Tric protected Max, as expected.
Now, I wonder which players I targeted?
In any case, I can confirm that mafia have a oneshot called Superkill that bypasses redirections and protections. I wonder how I could possibly know this. They appear to have unfortunately held onto it until last night.
This is good info though, as it means mafia were given a way to deal with protections, in other words MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE Tric is almost certainly town from that fact alone. It might actually come down to him for lylo which is really annoying because he'll need to believe I'm not a godfather in a game with already two miller, but anyway.
I feel like Roden is genuine here, or at the very least not mafia with NQT.
NQTI hope to manage that someday. Today is not that day.
Tric if you clowned me then you deserve the win.
Role: Mind Master
Alignment: Mafia
Wincon: You win when your team equals or outnumbers the remaining players and there are no ways to stop you.
{PT} (Auto) Multiple Methods: While you own this Ability, you may also have your Mastermind and Mental Manipulation target(s) perform the following abilities:Quote{P7} (1-Shot, Night, Mafiakill) Mafiakill [target]: You kill the target.{P3} (Night) Mastermind [target/self]: Your target is mind controlled for the Night. Instead of performing their Action, you pick another Action and target(s) for them to perform from either their own Actions or your Multiple Methods. If this is not an action that they own, they learn what action they used. You cannot use this Action on the same Player twice in a row.
{P7} (1-Shot, Night, Mafiakill) Poison [target]: You poison the target. The target dies at the end of the following Day.
{P-1} (1-Shot, Night, Mafiakill) Superkill [target]: You kill the target, going through protection and redirection.
{P10} (1-Shot, Night) Track [target]: You track your target, seeing who they target.
{P7} (1-Shot, Night) Anti-Revive [target]: If the target would revive from a kill, they are killed.
{P0} (1-Shot, Night) Mental Manipulation [target x(1-3)]: Your targets each perform an additional non-kill Action from any other living Player. Any targets or Choices are your choice instead.
{P7} (1-Shot, Night) Meticulous Mess: You die and revive.
Role: Havel the Rock
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PT} (Auto) Boss Drops: You’re kind of a bad guy. Inspects against you return as Mafia. When you die, you give your Item Abilities to your killer or the last person to vote for you. Once per Night, as a free Action, you may give away an Item Action if you haven’t used it.
{P7} (Item, 1-Shot, Night) Dragon’s Tooth Hammer [target]: You slam the target into the dust, killing the target in one hit.
{P1} (Item, 1-Shot, Night) Havel’s Greatshield [target/self]: You shield the target, causing all Actions targeting your target to fail. You may self-target this Action.
{P5} (Item, 1-Shot, Night) Havel’s Ring [target]: Your ring allows for additional protection around the target. The target is protected from Kill Actions during this Night Phase.
Role: Pinkie Pie Mafia Party!
Alignment: Town
Wincon: You win when all anti-Town factions are dead and at least one Town member is alive.
{PT} (Auto) Friendship Is Magic: During the first Day, Choose a Player to become your Friend. While your Friend is alive, kill Actions cause you to revive on death. Your Friend will always inspect as Town.
{P5} (Night) The Best Medicine [target]: You protect the target from kills and poisons during the Night. Neither you nor the target are informed of a successful protection.
{P-1} (1-Shot, Night) Sacrifice: You die. All other Players cannot be killed or poisoned during this Phase. If your Friend is alive, you lose Friendship Is Magic and revive instead.
If you made Roden look bad instead of Tric on D3 that might have worked better since I didn't fully trust Roden yet.Ironically, if I'd have done some basic sentiment analysis and mapped out the animosities like I normally would have done as town, that could have helped me realise this!
notquitethere — 31/03/2022
That should redirect any protects on Toony or Max to you as well. I suggest you activate refraction shield and shoot Tric (he's not protected and it stops him blabbing about being manipulated).
notquitethere — 01/04/2022
Some additional thoughts, 4mask:
I don't see the value in giving the shield away as it's pro-scum so you should use it.
You might want to shoot Jim instead of Tric as you gave him a potential double vote and that might screw us over. But he currently trusts you because of it... so idk
VoidStaresBack — 01/04/2022
Bluh bluh bluh
Yeah I'm not giving away any of my items currently they out me as scum
Jim vs. Tric...
We can shoot Jim, sure
Webadict, to what extent were you thinking about our individual playstyles when you set up the roles? I feel like some of them were designed to work against the player - mine and Tric's, certainly - and I wonder if that was an intentional challenge.TricMagic's was certainly set up to match TricMagic's style in a bit of an anti-/synergistic way. In a way, it plays like he does, but there were multiple workarounds for his role, and his playstyle was used against him in terms of balance. His role is stupidly broken, but it's also fragile.
TricMagic's was certainly set up to match TricMagic's style in a bit of an anti-/synergistic way. In a way, it plays like he does, but there were multiple workarounds for his role, and his playstyle was used against him in terms of balance. His role is stupidly broken, but it's also fragile.I felt like mine had the same effect, in that, since I had to wait and queue up free actions to use it to its full extent, and the mafia had access to a protection-piercing kill, it punishes my compulsive honesty just like Tric's punishes his immediate claiming and tendency to blow a powerful one-shot right off the bat. (Mine also had the opportunity to blow a powerful one-shot right off the bat, I guess, but I'm more the "potion hoarder" type so that worked with my instincts instead of against them.) I know you've noticed the compulsive honesty thing since you've mentioned it before. And also, it's obvious.
Funnily, I didn't realize the part where you could essentially endlessly add people to your inspect, but that seems fair, given the downside. My initial thought was that you would use the ability as a double hitter, by making a rolename inspection on Day 1 and then a Day 2 double guaranteed inspect (Since you could also use one as a free action and one as a regular action). I kinda like how yours was setup, because it had a lot risk and reward built into it. I think the build up style of inspection is good, and also the "100% guaranteed" inspection feels good, and when I saw that you could massively break the game, that ALSO felt good from a player perspective because with enough setup, the payoff would be huge.TricMagic's was certainly set up to match TricMagic's style in a bit of an anti-/synergistic way. In a way, it plays like he does, but there were multiple workarounds for his role, and his playstyle was used against him in terms of balance. His role is stupidly broken, but it's also fragile.I felt like mine had the same effect, in that, since I had to wait and queue up free actions to use it to its full extent, and the mafia had access to a protection-piercing kill, it punishes my compulsive honesty just like Tric's punishes his immediate claiming and tendency to blow a powerful one-shot right off the bat. (Mine also had the opportunity to blow a powerful one-shot right off the bat, I guess, but I'm more the "potion hoarder" type so that worked with my instincts instead of against them.) I know you've noticed the compulsive honesty thing since you've mentioned it before. And also, it's obvious.
4maskwolf Perform Mafiakill on Toonyman... Fun, guess I know who I protected. That day 2 gave a lot of info out of that. GG all.
Think about it this way:(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DCvDXXX9etc/hqdefault.jpg)
You protected me from 4mask on N1 and 4mask from me on N2.
Nice and balanced.
It's hard to know exactly when we dropped the ball; more like we were like a knife juggler who keeps dropping stilettos in his own arteries.