P.S. Do not actually start a flame war in the thread lmao.
Jim Groovester's real username is James Goober IV, heir to the International Goober Corporation.P.S. Do not actually start a flame war in the thread lmao.
Just try and stop me nerd
Webadict is so bad at running for president the traitor-ally thinks they're the traitor.Jim Groovester's real username is James Goober IV, heir to the International Goober Corporation.P.S. Do not actually start a flame war in the thread lmao.
Just try and stop me nerd
IF I'M SO BAD AT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, WHY DID I GET ELECTED, GOOBER?!?
I will out for balance sake, also I'm gonna be really busy this week so I wouldn't have a lot of time to play anyway.
I'm not starting the game until after the long weekend anyway, so that's not an issue.I will out for balance sake, also I'm gonna be really busy this week so I wouldn't have a lot of time to play anyway.
I won't be able to play much until after Tax Day (April 18th this year)
I lay my life down for Jim Groovester, true heir to the throne.?
May we find victory in our election...no...our conquest.
Hmm Webadict doesn't need another chance of winning a candidate game.Rude. Wouldn't you want to join the winning side?
Hmm Webadict doesn't need another chance of winning a candidate game.Rude. Wouldn't you want to join the winning side?
If EuchreJack claims Candidate B, then I will claim Candidate A, and we'll work together to find the true enemy, the Distant Third. That only seems fair, no?
Bit strange you don't know about the coin Jack.Tric, who would you like to vote for?
Bit strange you don't know about the coin Jack.I have no idea what you are talking about.
I lay my life down for Jim Groovester, true heir to the throne.
May we find victory in our election...no...our conquest.
Bit strange you don't know about the coin Jack.
Distant Third
I mean, you're right. But more me wondering how not to give away who I'm teamed with. Jack has the right idea with that lie.I lay my life down for Jim Groovester, true heir to the throne.
May we find victory in our election...no...our conquest.Spoiler: Indeed. (click to show/hide)Bit strange you don't know about the coin Jack.
Bit strange you don't know about updog.QuoteDistant Third
I bet it's TricMagic.
The 'wow what a start' reaction makes me think he doesn't know what team he's supposed to pretend to be on yet.
I am the winning side.Hmm Webadict doesn't need another chance of winning a candidate game.Rude. Wouldn't you want to join the winning side?
If EuchreJack claims Candidate B, then I will claim Candidate A, and we'll work together to find the true enemy, the Distant Third. That only seems fair, no?Yes. We can all agree to eliminating the Distant Third.
I bet it's TricMagic.How wise, future Lord and Grand Master! I give my full support in voting TricMagic with thee. I mean you. I'm voting with you.
The 'wow what a start' reaction makes me think he doesn't know what team he's supposed to pretend to be on yet.
That seems awfully brash, ToonyMan, voting for TricMagic after I extended an olive branch his way. How rude! Now I have to protect him in a way that makes it less obvious that I am his supporter.Man, imagine if Tric was Candidate A or B? I feel sorry for them.
Not much of one. If I was the third party you would expect me to just be voting people.Isn't that what you're doing?
Is that what this is then? A truce until the DT is dead? Fine.
That seems awfully brash, ToonyMan, voting for TricMagic after I extended an olive branch his way. How rude! Now I have to protect him in a way that makes it less obvious that I am his supporter.Man, imagine if Tric was Candidate A or B? I feel sorry for them.
Honestly, I think it's ToonyMan.
Is that what this is then? A truce until the DT is dead? Fine.
I don't care about a truce.
I mean yeah the DT being alive makes it suicide for the candidate to use their kill, but if the opportunity presents itself to lynch the heir or a supporter I don't think letting that pass by is wise.
That seems awfully brash, ToonyMan, voting for TricMagic after I extended an olive branch his way. How rude! Now I have to protect him in a way that makes it less obvious that I am his supporter.Man, imagine if Tric was Candidate A or B? I feel sorry for them.Not much of one. If I was the third party you would expect me to just be voting people.Isn't that what you're doing?
shrugs. So I look scummy, so what?
Also webadict for buddying, no coin for you.
I lay my life down for Jim Groovester, true heir to the throne.
May we find victory in our election...no...our conquest.Spoiler: Indeed. (click to show/hide)Bit strange you don't know about the coin Jack.
Bit strange you don't know about updog.
Honestly, I think it's ToonyMan.I'm honored.
EuchreJack is paying attention. I think he understands even more than he's saying, because not only is he correct, he's leaving out the last steps of the hunt.There's a good chance Jack is one of the Candidates or the DT.
The reason I am not voting is because Max and NQT haven't posted yet, and voting before they do implicates that I may or may not think none of the supporters of my candidate nor my candidate are among them. Additionally, it potentially identifies me as the DT, and allowing for that to be a potential outcome is good for information.It's true. The majority of players are Supporters, and thus KNOW at least one ally.
I'm pretty sure Webadict isn't my ally? So he is a very reasonable vote.You don't think so? I mean, I like to think we're all friends until we choose someone to vote.
It might be optimal not to say much (lay low) but on the other hand, if no one has any information then everyone's actions will be somewhat random.I agree. I think Jack, Web, or Max is the DT.
Also, fake-claiming candidate seems on the face of it a reasonable strategy for the distant third, as both the real candidate and their supporters might think the claimant is a supporter trying to take the heat away from the real candidate.
We can vote anybody we want, but a Supporter cannot hammer their Candidate without losing the game for their team. That's the breaking point.I'm pretty sure Webadict isn't my ally? So he is a very reasonable vote.You don't think so? I mean, I like to think we're all friends until we choose someone to vote.
You sure about that? :-\We can vote anybody we want, but a Supporter cannot hammer their Candidate without losing the game for their team. That's the breaking point.I'm pretty sure Webadict isn't my ally? So he is a very reasonable vote.You don't think so? I mean, I like to think we're all friends until we choose someone to vote.
It might be optimal not to say much (lay low) but on the other hand, if no one has any information then everyone's actions will be somewhat random.
Also, fake-claiming candidate seems on the face of it a reasonable strategy for the distant third, as both the real candidate and their supporters might think the claimant is a supporter trying to take the heat away from the real candidate.
Is that what this is then? A truce until the DT is dead? Fine.
I don't care about a truce.
I mean yeah the DT being alive makes it suicide for the candidate to use their kill, but if the opportunity presents itself to lynch the heir or a supporter I don't think letting that pass by is wise.
To be completely honest, I think you misunderstand The Hunt for the DT. It is not a truce, but rather the best way to find the DT. Invariably, hunting for the DT will reveal who supports which candidate. So it is the "safe" way that players can both hunt the opposing team & the DT while supporting their own.
We know Tric is neither the DT nor the Candidate because Tric has neither threatened to kill anyone, nor actually killed anyone. No way that Tric has a kill ability and keeps quiet about it.
Plus Tric would have shot by now. Tric holding a daykill? Unthinkable.
A very good reason to vote you out webadict.
Yeah, okay. Webadict. Let's kill Web.
I was about to vote Webadict, but we have until Friday, so let's keep the info flowing a bit longer.
EuchreJack would be the clear outlier there Toony. Unless you claim I'm the DT, but that would be silly. Right?I mean, if I like Max enough I'm willing to vote Jack instead. I am most likely not voting NQT.
Really though, just as well webadict went.
I'm looking forward to seeing who is on what team when this all shakes out...I'm a little new to 3rd party hunting, but isn't Tric's two votes vs. everyone else's zero votes "fairly good" 3rd party hunting?
Tric why aren't you 3rd party hunting? The six legitimate players will lose if the DT wins.
I'm looking forward to seeing who is on what team when this all shakes out...We win if we kill the candidate and DT. We very much lose if we kill the DT but not the opposing Candidate. To us, the other candidate is also third party is a way, and we want to remove them.. At which point our Candidate just needs to pick out the DT.
Tric why aren't you 3rd party hunting? The six legitimate players will lose if the DT wins.
ToonyMan/TricMagic/EuchreJack I think are roughly aligned with my team but between them one of them is the distant third. If I had to pick I'd have to choose between ToonyMan or TricMagic.I think there's a very good chance the DT is one of you three.
@ToonyMan: What about the fact that Max didn't post the entire game?Are we going to argue the lack of existence of facts over the existence of facts?
... Toony's the DT Jack.Say what you want, but I have a funny feeling some players will be unwilling to vote me.
... Toony's the DT Jack.
ToonyMan/TricMagic/EuchreJack I think are roughly aligned with my team but between them one of them is the distant third. If I had to pick I'd have to choose between ToonyMan or TricMagic.I think there's a very good chance the DT is one of you three.
Jack happily hammered Webadict (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179730.msg8368771#msg8368771), which is why I think they're either the DT or a confident Supporter. The DT will hammer anybody, while a Supporter could fairly confidently hammer another player.
In addition, there was a good chance Webadict was a Candidate. The DT would be eliminating three players in one fell swoop. Jack was the one that dropped the hammer which is why it bothers me the most compared to you or Tric.
The reason why DT!Jack can't shoot two players right now, is because they don't know for sure who the Candidate is inside NQT/Max or who the Candidate is inside Tric/Toony/Jim. I believe I can safely deduce the teams are such based on the Webadict wagon.
If Jack isn't the DT, then...it's probably you Jim. You were just as happy to go for the Webadict kill as the third vote before Jack. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179730.msg8368767#msg8368767) I will continue to underestimate Tric until it bites me, but I don't think it's him. On that much, I agree with Webadict.
... Toony's the DT Jack.
... Toony's the DT Jack.
Probably, but your idea of eliminating the opposing candidate makes sense.
Once we eliminate the opposing candidate, I as your candidate can silently kill the DT, rather than having to post it publicly.
So we vote the candidate, then I'll shoot the DT.
I feel bad voting someone that didn't even play the game, but Max
@Max: What is your 90% truth on this?I can offer you 100% truth: I am not the Distant Third.
@Max: What is your 90% truth on this?I can offer you 100% truth: I am not the Distant Third.
Actually, I see no reason not to acknowledge that I am a supporter of the one true candidate, Candidate B. The B is for Best.
Still catching up.
Flame War: TricMagic NQT9y71ghui1nfhoinv1u9280j4u291y54`jeHP9H49P
ToonyMan/TricMagic/EuchreJack I think are roughly aligned with my team but between them one of them is the distant third. If I had to pick I'd have to choose between ToonyMan or TricMagic.I think there's a very good chance the DT is one of you three.
Jack happily hammered Webadict (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179730.msg8368771#msg8368771), which is why I think they're either the DT or a confident Supporter. The DT will hammer anybody, while a Supporter could fairly confidently hammer another player.
In addition, there was a good chance Webadict was a Candidate. The DT would be eliminating three players in one fell swoop. Jack was the one that dropped the hammer which is why it bothers me the most compared to you or Tric.
The reason why DT!Jack can't shoot two players right now, is because they don't know for sure who the Candidate is inside NQT/Max or who the Candidate is inside Tric/Toony/Jim. I believe I can safely deduce the teams are such based on the Webadict wagon.
If Jack isn't the DT, then...it's probably you Jim. You were just as happy to go for the Webadict kill as the third vote before Jack. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179730.msg8368767#msg8368767) I will continue to underestimate Tric until it bites me, but I don't think it's him. On that much, I agree with Webadict.
I'm absolutely shocked Tric and Jim voted me on D2 and I think they deserve to lose with me after that though.+1
Also the one thing I actually forgot to add to the OP because it wasn't in the sample role PMs but in the event that exactly the two candidates are alive at day start the game ends with both candidates winning.I suspected that, as I had read the original game's page (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=War_in_the_Palace).
Day 1 you came out and said Jim was the candidate right out of the gate.ToonyMan/TricMagic/EuchreJack I think are roughly aligned with my team but between them one of them is the distant third. If I had to pick I'd have to choose between ToonyMan or TricMagic.I think there's a very good chance the DT is one of you three.
Jack happily hammered Webadict (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179730.msg8368771#msg8368771), which is why I think they're either the DT or a confident Supporter. The DT will hammer anybody, while a Supporter could fairly confidently hammer another player.
In addition, there was a good chance Webadict was a Candidate. The DT would be eliminating three players in one fell swoop. Jack was the one that dropped the hammer which is why it bothers me the most compared to you or Tric.
The reason why DT!Jack can't shoot two players right now, is because they don't know for sure who the Candidate is inside NQT/Max or who the Candidate is inside Tric/Toony/Jim. I believe I can safely deduce the teams are such based on the Webadict wagon.
If Jack isn't the DT, then...it's probably you Jim. You were just as happy to go for the Webadict kill as the third vote before Jack. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179730.msg8368767#msg8368767) I will continue to underestimate Tric until it bites me, but I don't think it's him. On that much, I agree with Webadict.
It's this post that made me distrust you though. While distancing from your candidate is good, it's not when it makes you seem as if you are the DT with a lucky guess.
... Seriously, what the hell Toony? That first post was silly sus.
NQT....you kinda kept pointing at Max as your Candidate. You can't Hard Defend your Candidate like that.If I'd have done nothing at this point I would have lost:
Of the available options... Uh, I guess I think ToonyMan is the most likely to be the DT, but ToonyMan as the last non-voter would then be obliged to untie the vote to my detriment so... anyone voting for me want to entente?
It might not have mattered still, since if we lynched Max then Jack would may have shot Jim with Tric. But it's still aggravating to see a bumble victory where they completely whiff and get rewarded for misreading both candidate IDs. Sorry Jack.Actually, I could not have shot both Jim & Tric. I only get a number of kills equal to surviving Candidates. Dead Max means I would have to shoot ONCE, and I probably would have shot Tric.
NQT....you kinda kept pointing at Max as your Candidate. You can't Hard Defend your Candidate like that.If I'd have done nothing at this point I would have lost:Of the available options... Uh, I guess I think ToonyMan is the most likely to be the DT, but ToonyMan as the last non-voter would then be obliged to untie the vote to my detriment so... anyone voting for me want to entente?
Max was absolutely right here, and my only choice was to step in.
The more other people vote, the more information I have. From the web of alignments and disalignments shaping up, I am happy to hit Jim today, but I am also willing to change my mind if there is compelling reason to think someone is the Distant Third.
I'm looking forward to seeing who is on what team when this all shakes out...
Tric why aren't you 3rd party hunting? The six legitimate players will lose if the DT wins.
I thought Web was a supporter on the opposing team, but his quickhammer seems to indicate that either I was wrong or a lot of other people were even more wrong.
As for Max... who knows what he is, has he even posted yet?
No, my reasoning for voting Tric is that someone on the Wuba wagon must be the DT OR some players are even more confused than I am.
Of the ones remaining, the player who is explicitly A/B candidate hunting rather than DT hunting is Tric. I can work out who on the Web train was or wasn't on my side as I go, but I'm pretty sure Tric is best person for DT.
The ironic thing is, checking back I now think I should have been voting Web, which means that either his candidate or his fellow supporter or both accidentally bussed him.
I legit think half the players are seriously confused here. Moreover, EuchreJack's analysis of the remaining players has shown that he doesn't know who any of the real candidates are and so is clearly the Distant Third.
Everyone, EJ has scumslipped here. It should be obvious to the two of you who are on my team.
I wasn't referring to that, but earlier posts.
As for Max... who knows what he is, has he even posted yet?
NQT....you kinda kept pointing at Max as your Candidate. You can't Hard Defend your Candidate like that. It was only Max's Big Lie that had me targetting NQT instead of Max. So good job Max!You... fell for that? I didn't even know, because I had just hastily posted after not being here for three days and hadn't reread the OP at all, that the supporter players don't appear to have known which letter their candidates were. Luckily I had phrased it in a way that could have seemed like I just picked the letter as a joke, but I genuinely assumed people had the letters and thus would know whether I was claiming to be on the same team or not.
Honestly, I'm pretty impressed that Jack didn't suss out either Candidate when just about everyone else had figured out both. :P I mean, I guess everyone else had the benefit of knowing one for sure, but it's still a little funny.Yup, it was just exactly what a Candidate would say, that I figured it was the ideal thing for a Supporter to say. I got drunk on the WIFOM!NQT....you kinda kept pointing at Max as your Candidate. You can't Hard Defend your Candidate like that. It was only Max's Big Lie that had me targetting NQT instead of Max. So good job Max!You... fell for that? I didn't even know, because I had just hastily posted after not being here for three days and hadn't reread the OP at all, that the supporter players don't appear to have known which letter their candidates were. Luckily I had phrased it in a way that could have seemed like I just picked the letter as a joke, but I genuinely assumed people had the letters and thus would know whether I was claiming to be on the same team or not.
Jack just to reiterate though: You shot Tric and NQT because you believed they were the two Candidates, right? You'd have to either kill two Candidates or two Supporters to win from that position. Shooting one Candidate and one Supporter is something you would be actively avoiding.To clarify, I could have shot one Supporter and one Candidate, and so long as they were not on the same team, I still won.
There's a distinction between winning and "winning".
I think I'm done complaining now so I'll be happy with how I played this game and try to improve not being....voted out by my own allies.
Yup, it was just exactly what a Candidate would say, that I figured it was the ideal thing for a Supporter to say. I got drunk on the WIFOM!Well, that's what I was going for, so I guess it worked out. :P
I'm absolutely shocked Tric and Jim voted me on D2 and I think they deserve to lose with me after that though.
It might not have mattered still, since if we lynched Max then Jack would may have shot Jim with Tric. But it's still aggravating to see a bumble victory where they completely whiff and get rewarded for misreading both candidate IDs. Sorry Jack.
Good job to Tric & Team Jim for setting Tric up to look like the Candidate. I honestly didn't think Jim was the Candidate.
If I ever run this setup in the future I'm turning the assassin's kill into a suicide bomb (ie. it also kills the assassin), to prevent the weird incentive that occurred this game to suicide bomb at five players because it wins in at least half of scenarios, even if you have no idea what the setup looks like. The game is considered assassin-sided as is and the entire point of the assassin's gameplay is to determine who the candidates are.
But I won. That is all that matters. A win is a win! You may crown me when ready.
*presents Jack with a coin that says mafia on one side and town on the other.*