Post by: webadict on May 29, 2022, 06:00:32 pm
Spoiler: Game Bookmarks (click to show/hide)
Hey, potentially new player! Ever wanted to play Mafia, but really scared about playing and then realize we fill up our games stupid fast? Want to play one of the fun games, but scared about being new? Are you wanting to play something closer to a Forum Game than regular Mafia?
This is Bring Your Own Role Mafia, where you submit a role name to me (and preferably a wiki link, if it's not something commonplace.) What roles are available? Pretty much anything! Want some ideas? Look in the spoiler!
Spoiler: Role Ideas (click to show/hide)
How to join:
- First, post that you are in in bold. New players will always get priority.
- Second, send your preferred role name to me, webadict.
- Third, I will notify you when the game starts, with your role.
These sign-ups may be longer than other games because this game is geared specifically for newer players.
How to play:
Never played before? Have no fear! We have a couple players that will try their best to help you play. All that you need to do is if you're Town, you need to find the Mafia, and if you're Mafia, you need to survive until the end, and murder your fellow Townies at Night! Since this is a BYOR, all players will have a role.
Here's some boring rules!
Rules:
- We will start on Night 0. There are no kills allowed.
- Hammers are in effect. That means if a majority vote is reached, the Day ends. Please cease talking at that point until the Day is processed.
- Days 1 and 2 will last 72 hours. Days 3 and on will be 48 hours. Nights will always be 24 hours. Weekends will count for 24 hours.
- There will be no extensions or shortens, except in special circumstances (Hammers will always end the Day, so if you wish to shorten the Day, HAMMER!) If you require a replacement, please notify me as soon as possible. Things happen, do not worry about it!
- Vote in bold and red, for clarity. I will use a bot to read votes named Mamobo, and will posts vote counts at least once per Day, though you may ask for a vote count at any time.
Spoiler: Basic rules (click to show/hide)
Also, for those without knowledge of how I style roles, here's a little cheat sheet!
Spoiler: Webadict on Roles (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Webadict on Action Order (click to show/hide)
Sign-ups:
New players will get priority! If the sign-ups are filled and you're a new player, I will remove an experienced player for you! It would be preferred to have at least 2 experienced players to help out, but if we get 9 new players, then we'll simply play like that!
- BluarianKnight
- EuchreJack
- Jim Groovester
- Knightwing64
- Lidku
- Maximum Spin
- Oliverz144
- Roden
- TricMagic
Post by: EuchreJack on May 29, 2022, 07:24:08 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on May 29, 2022, 08:04:37 pm
Will the character we pick have a effect on our team? Like, if we pick somebody who is a villain, would that make us scum or if we pick a hero or some other good person, will we be a townie?
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2022, 08:05:44 pm
INNo, role names have no bearing on your role.
Will the character we pick have a effect on our team? Like, if we pick somebody who is a villain, would that make us scum or if we pick a hero or some other good person, will we be a townie?
Post by: Knightwing64 on May 29, 2022, 08:13:10 pm
INNo, role names have no bearing on your role.
Will the character we pick have a effect on our team? Like, if we pick somebody who is a villain, would that make us scum or if we pick a hero or some other good person, will we be a townie?
Okay, thanks. It would be funny having legit satan as a townie.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 29, 2022, 08:37:48 pm
Post by: webadict on May 29, 2022, 09:14:36 pm
ToonyMan was Beelzebub in a BYOR game as Town.INNo, role names have no bearing on your role.
Will the character we pick have a effect on our team? Like, if we pick somebody who is a villain, would that make us scum or if we pick a hero or some other good person, will we be a townie?
Okay, thanks. It would be funny having legit satan as a townie.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 29, 2022, 09:46:10 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on May 29, 2022, 10:49:34 pm
If it's all right, though, I'll hold back on picking a role for a bit, both to give me time to think and so it's not wasted effort if you get a lot of new players. :P
Post by: Secretdorf on May 30, 2022, 08:25:03 am
Necromancers are an exception though :PToonyMan was Beelzebub in a BYOR game as Town.INNo, role names have no bearing on your role.
Will the character we pick have a effect on our team? Like, if we pick somebody who is a villain, would that make us scum or if we pick a hero or some other good person, will we be a townie?
Okay, thanks. It would be funny having legit satan as a townie.
Post by: RoseHeart on May 30, 2022, 09:22:52 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on May 30, 2022, 09:25:11 pm
Because Necromancers are always Town. :PNecromancers are an exception though :PToonyMan was Beelzebub in a BYOR game as Town.INNo, role names have no bearing on your role.
Will the character we pick have a effect on our team? Like, if we pick somebody who is a villain, would that make us scum or if we pick a hero or some other good person, will we be a townie?
Okay, thanks. It would be funny having legit satan as a townie.
Post by: TricMagic on May 31, 2022, 08:06:52 am
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 07, 2022, 05:34:20 pm
Post by: Roden on June 07, 2022, 08:11:49 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 07, 2022, 08:42:58 pm
Post by: webadict on June 07, 2022, 08:57:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 09, 2022, 04:17:40 pm
Im not new to mafia but new to this site. Found out about this here as a player of df2.
How did yall get a pfp? I didnt manage to let it work properly
Post by: webadict on June 09, 2022, 05:26:02 pm
In.Nice! In this particular game, you'll send in the name of the role you wish to have, so make sure to do that.
Im not new to mafia but new to this site. Found out about this here as a player of df2.
How did yall get a pfp? I didnt manage to let it work properly
As for the profile pic, unclear. There seems to be some issues with certain image hosting sites, and we're pretty sure it's https related, but only 4maskwolf has really investigated it clearly.
Post by: Lidku on June 10, 2022, 02:37:50 pm
Post by: webadict on June 10, 2022, 03:07:29 pm
Post by: webadict on June 13, 2022, 10:57:57 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 13, 2022, 11:53:25 am
Hmm, it's possible that Oliverz is afk, but I'm gonna wait a bit more. He needs to choose a role name, but if he doesn't reply soon, I'll assume he's gone rogue.
Gotcha
Post by: webadict on June 13, 2022, 11:00:34 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 13, 2022, 11:30:52 pm
I'm gonna assume Oliverz is gone until he proves otherwise. So, we've got one spot open.I'll take it. Give me a sec to PM you.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 14, 2022, 05:42:49 am
Post by: RoseHeart on June 14, 2022, 10:25:55 am
Post by: EuchreJack on June 14, 2022, 10:33:51 am
I've got enough other things on my plate, so I'm likely to be less active over the next couple of weeks.
But I'm also willing to stay (we can't ALL bow out).
Post by: webadict on June 14, 2022, 10:50:59 am
I'm recognizing the 3 games I am hosting is a pretty full plate. I can still play and participate a bit, but if someone able to give this more attention can take my place that might be best. Sorry web.No problem. For now, I'll assume you're out and Oliverz is in. That's 9p.
I'll start baking now, and I'll send out a confirmation PM when things are ready, to make sure all players are here.
I'm inclined to bow out if we're over.Too bad, someone else volunteered beforehand. Nice try, guy.
I've got enough other things on my plate, so I'm likely to be less active over the next couple of weeks.
But I'm also willing to stay (we can't ALL bow out).
Post by: RoseHeart on June 14, 2022, 11:10:14 am
Post by: webadict on June 16, 2022, 05:07:51 pm
Post by: webadict on June 16, 2022, 11:54:56 pm
Post by: webadict on June 17, 2022, 10:12:04 am
Nine employees were seated at the table. Webley, the local HR rep, played the tape one more time.
“Listen, I know two of you have been stealing my lunch from the breakroom.”
“You don’t know shit.” EuchreJack replied, high fiving Knightwing64 and Oliverz144 nearby. The three made whooping and hollering noises, causing Web to turn bright red.
Jim Groovester raised his hand. “Um, I’m not legally allowed to work past ten, and this counts as being on the clock. My sister is outside right n–.”
Web threw the remote against the wall. It exploded into a billion pieces. “YOU THINK I CAN’T HOLD YOU HERE ALL NIGHT!? I’ll have your ass fired faster than you can say…”
Roden stood up and headed towards the door, unbuttoning his work shirt. “Yeah, nah, I ain’t finding sandwich thieves.” He jiggled the door handle. “Wait, is the door locked?”
“You better fucking believe it’s locked,” Webley said, waving the key in front of them before shoving it in his pocket. “Those sandwiches were prescription, so it’s literally a HIPPA violation to eat them.”
BluarianKnight rolled her eyes while she and TricMagic kept texting on their phones. “Yeah, I’ll pick fired, thanks.”
Lidku snickered quietly, but Webley took a chair and slammed it through the table. “The person who catches the thieves gets a $25 gift card to fucking wherever you want.” Maximum Spin perked up upon hearing that and then assembled the crew.
“Alright, dudes. You heard robo-boss. Let’s do this. Let’s just think it through and see if we can’t figure this out.”
“That’s more like it,” Web said, nodding. “Give me a name and I’m searching their locker.”
If you received "You are [ROLE NAME] (Town).", then your goal is to find the two (2) Mafia among you. Otherwise, you are Mafia and must survive until your numbers equal the Town's. Mafia will be given a link to the Mafia Discord, which you will want to join. From this point on, the game has begun. If you have questions about your role, please ask me in a private message.
Vote Count
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BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Oliverz144 - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 9 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Lidku, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144, Roden, TricMagic,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~105 hours remaining).
It is now Day.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 17, 2022, 10:18:03 am
Nah, but actually I’m gonna wait a little bit for more info to come out, then I’ll post again in a little bit.
Post by: TricMagic on June 17, 2022, 10:24:24 am
I don’t steal things, so that’s one person cleared.
Nah, but actually I’m gonna wait a little bit for more info to come out, then I’ll post again in a little bit.
What a Super start Knightwing, but where were you at lunchtime? I was in my workshop. :P
Post by: Lidku on June 17, 2022, 10:38:59 am
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2022, 10:56:31 am
Alright, that's one scum player down.
Should I give advice like I know what the fuck I'm talking about or should I let you struggle?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2022, 11:00:21 am
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~105 hours remaining).
Ugggggggggggggggggggggghhhhh but actually I don't mind so much since I've got a busy weekend ahead of me.
Post by: webadict on June 17, 2022, 11:05:06 am
Future Days will be shorter, but giving some time on Day 1 for contingencies is my SOP. :)5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~105 hours remaining).
Ugggggggggggggggggggggghhhhh but actually I don't mind so much since I've got a busy weekend ahead of me.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 17, 2022, 11:25:48 am
The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
And your snickering at the boss makes you sooo innocent?
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 17, 2022, 11:37:28 am
The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
And your snickering at the boss makes you sooo innocent?
You tell him high five buddy, we minimum wage workers have to stick together.
Post by: TricMagic on June 17, 2022, 12:57:43 pm
The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
And your snickering at the boss makes you sooo innocent?
You tell him high five buddy, we minimum wage workers have to stick together.
Funny funny. EuchreJack
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 17, 2022, 01:33:54 pm
Don't waste time investigating me. It won't work.
Oh right BluearianKnight is in this game.I support this theory!
Alright, that's one scum player down.
I get a benefit for correctly predicting deaths, so it'd be great for me if we could get a preliminary consensus on lynch and/or vigilante targets before the day ends. Obviously circumstances will change, but I don't need to specify precise times, places, and manners, just have at least two players identified who'll die relatively early.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 17, 2022, 01:48:35 pm
What the crap kind of name did you give Web?
I wouldn’t recommend choosing me, normally I’m such a non threat that mafia knows they can keep me alive for awhile.
Other then that, I don’t really know. We’ll just have to wait till more people start posting.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 17, 2022, 02:06:23 pm
Oh right BluearianKnight is in this game.
Alright, that's one scum player down.
Should I give advice like I know what the fuck I'm talking about or should I let you struggle?
sobs in RNJesus cursing me
honestly I wouldn't blame y'all at this point, but I am actually town for once.
Anyhow!
Spin - More of a general consensus then question - but isn't revealing a Vig's planned attack beforehand just a bad idea? That information benefits mafia more then town.
Lidku - I haven't seen you around before! Who'd you point as the sussiest of bakas out of the current players?
Knight - Why not ask people for more info?
Jim - Did you eat Web's lunch? You seem the sort, you sus.
Trick - I agree, we must destroy the unionizers.
Anyhow, I'm terrible starting, bleugh.
Post by: Roden on June 17, 2022, 03:50:57 pm
I agree with Blu that we shouldn't come to a consensus on the Vig target if one exists. Web usually gives scum abilities that counter mass PR claims and action organizing.
Post by: TricMagic on June 17, 2022, 05:06:36 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 17, 2022, 05:59:08 pm
Knight - Why not ask people for more info?
I dunno, that just seems like a scummy thing to do. Maybe I’m wrong and should start fishing for more info, but I’m pretty sure I remember someone telling me when I was new to this forum that bluntly asking for roles and fishing for info was sus?
Post by: Roden on June 17, 2022, 07:18:22 pm
Got a reason for that Roden?Your Jack vote felt safe, like you were aiming for someone who's reaction would be the most predictable. Do you find him suspicious?
Post by: TricMagic on June 17, 2022, 07:32:11 pm
The lack of reaction is itself suspicious. In my situation I'd be asking my scum teammate to coordinate properly. Which is what gets me caught in the first place. Alone, Jack townread me during the cult game. Him being predictable as town is the entire reason to make the vote.Got a reason for that Roden?Your Jack vote felt safe, like you were aiming for someone who's reaction would be the most predictable. Do you find him suspicious?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 17, 2022, 09:30:18 pm
Should I give advice like I know what the fuck I'm talking about or should I let you struggle?
Alright, it's sink or swim time then.
The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
CUZ WEBLEY IS A DWEEB
Also who let you in here and why haven't you done anything to impress me yet?
Oh right BluearianKnight is in this game.I support this theory!
Alright, that's one scum player down.
Thanks! I do too! It's never been wrong yet!
I get a benefit for correctly predicting deaths, so it'd be great for me if we could get a preliminary consensus on lynch and/or vigilante targets before the day ends. Obviously circumstances will change, but I don't need to specify precise times, places, and manners, just have at least two players identified who'll die relatively early.
Is this benefit sufficiently worthwhile to ask for this?
Even if we did this I'd rate the odds of the preliminary consensus matching the eventual lynch target about the same as a cold, uninformed Day 1 prediction. Obviously you'd have better luck with the vigilante kill if there was such a player and they were silly enough to publicly telegraph their target.
sobs in RNJesus cursing me
honestly I wouldn't blame y'all at this point, but I am actually town for once.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm we'll see.
Jim - Did you eat Web's lunch? You seem the sort, you sus.
Yes but I didn't try to hide it so all he did was fume and pout over it.
This was a while ago though and is probably unrelated to our current situation.
I wouldn’t recommend choosing me, normally I’m such a non threat that mafia knows they can keep me alive for awhile.
You're getting much better at playing this game.
Knight - Why not ask people for more info?
I dunno, that just seems like a scummy thing to do. Maybe I’m wrong and should start fishing for more info, but I’m pretty sure I remember someone telling me when I was new to this forum that bluntly asking for roles and fishing for info was sus?
But still obviously untrained.
However long ago that happened I think by now you've learned the wrong lessen. Your goal is to determine people's alignment so you should be querying people in ways that help you do that. If it's apparent from what you're doing that that's your goal then it doesn't really matter whatever silly faux pas you commit that people call you suspicious for.
I mean If I saw any player trying to push a lynch for rolefishing I'd roll my eyes.
Got a reason for that Roden?Your Jack vote felt safe, like you were aiming for someone who's reaction would be the most predictable. Do you find him suspicious?
I feel this.
Also TricMagic asking for a reason for your vote bothers me as well considering how young the game is.
Yeah let's go with TricMagic.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 17, 2022, 10:54:36 pm
Is this benefit sufficiently worthwhile to ask for this?I have no idea! That's what's so exciting about it! Who knows what I could get!
I have until the end of day 1 to make my guesses though.
Post by: Lidku on June 17, 2022, 10:57:42 pm
Post by: webadict on June 17, 2022, 10:59:27 pm
Vote Count
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TricMagic - 2 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382199#msg8382199),
EuchreJack - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382092#msg8382092),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Oliverz144 - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 6 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Knightwing64, Lidku, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~93 hours remaining).
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 18, 2022, 02:40:33 am
Is skipping a turn for the next round allowed? I want to wait for the next RP post for more clues, before I decide to vote on anyone. Besides me finding the high fives at the start kinda suspicious, I don't feel anything necessarily concrete right now.
This isn't that sort of game. Those rp posts are purposefully devoid of relevant information.
If you want to find out who's town or scum you're going to have to talk to your fellow players to find out from them whether they're town or scum.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 18, 2022, 02:48:48 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 18, 2022, 06:44:15 am
I'd say you're probably town though because I doubt anybody who was scum could be this off base about the game and how it's played. In theory you'd have a team member you could ask.
I agree. Lidku is probably town and very new to this game.
Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 18, 2022, 07:18:06 am
I'd say you're probably town though because I doubt anybody who was scum could be this off base about the game and how it's played. In theory you'd have a team member you could ask.
I agree. Lidku is probably town and very new to this game.
Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.
I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.
I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.
Sorry, I'm posting from phone due to internet issues.
Hm, this bizzaro logic has me thinking Tric might be town. Enough that I'd rather not put Tric at L-2.The lack of reaction is itself suspicious. In my situation I'd be asking my scum teammate to coordinate properly. Which is what gets me caught in the first place. Alone, Jack townread me during the cult game. Him being predictable as town is the entire reason to make the vote.Got a reason for that Roden?Your Jack vote felt safe, like you were aiming for someone who's reaction would be the most predictable. Do you find him suspicious?
Alright, let's get some more pressure going and Vote Roden.
Post by: webadict on June 18, 2022, 08:01:23 am
Is skipping a turn for the next round allowed? I want to wait for the next RP post for more clues, before I decide to vote on anyone. Besides me finding the high fives at the start kinda suspicious, I don't feel anything necessarily concrete right now.If you would like to not vote to execute (or RP-wise, fire someone) anyone, you may vote No one, which skips this Day and goes to Night. Also, my RP won't contain any information, BUT voting a Player out of the game (as well as a Player being killed at Night) causes their role and alignment to be given to you, which I am in charge of showing to Players.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 18, 2022, 08:08:58 am
Wow, my power is kind of... uh.
Don't waste time investigating me. It won't work.Oh right BluearianKnight is in this game.I support this theory!
Alright, that's one scum player down.
I get a benefit for correctly predicting deaths, so it'd be great for me if we could get a preliminary consensus on lynch and/or vigilante targets before the day ends. Obviously circumstances will change, but I don't need to specify precise times, places, and manners, just have at least two players identified who'll die relatively early.
An interesting discussion!
...the fact it dissuades us from Chinese Fire Drill alone makes it worthwhile.
Since you can guess Day 1 towards the end of Day 1, you should probably just do that.
Vigilante targets are going to be whomever you think is scum, or maybe whomever you think others are mostly likely to think is scum.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 18, 2022, 08:11:16 am
Post by: Mamobo on June 18, 2022, 06:54:46 pm
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TricMagic - 2 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382199#msg8382199),
EuchreJack - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382092#msg8382092),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Oliverz144 - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 6 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382302#msg8382302), Knightwing64, Lidku, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~73 hours remaining).
Post by: webadict on June 18, 2022, 06:56:01 pm
Post by: webadict on June 18, 2022, 06:56:59 pm
Vote CountFor clarity, this is what it should look like.
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TricMagic - 2 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382199#msg8382199),
EuchreJack - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382092#msg8382092),
Roden - 1 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382302#msg8382302),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Oliverz144 - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 5 - BluarianKnight, Knightwing64, Lidku, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~73 hours remaining).
Post by: EuchreJack on June 18, 2022, 07:02:02 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 18, 2022, 08:27:49 pm
Always glad to contribute to a better Mamobo.
+1
Post by: TricMagic on June 18, 2022, 09:28:26 pm
Always glad to contribute to a better Mamobo.Can you contribute to a better game? There has been literally zero movement today, just silence.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 18, 2022, 09:43:19 pm
Always glad to contribute to a better Mamobo.Can you contribute to a better game? There has been literally zero movement today, just silence.
Okay, that’s just uncalled for. Jack has been one of few people talking and discussing on a regular basis, and has posted way more then you have. Don’t be a dick.
Post by: Roden on June 18, 2022, 11:23:20 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 19, 2022, 03:56:27 am
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 19, 2022, 09:32:43 am
Web- Can you message Oliverz144? We might need a replacement for him. He hasn't replied at all since game start.
An interesting discussion!
...the fact it dissuades us from Chinese Fire Drill alone makes it worthwhile.
Can you explain what you mean by Chinese Fire Drill in this instance?
TricMagic - can you explain why you're being so aggressive against Euchre? Especially since you're voting for him. If you've got something to share the class, now's the time, because..
The lack of reaction is itself suspicious. In my situation I'd be asking my scum teammate to coordinate properly. Which is what gets me caught in the first place. Alone, Jack townread me during the cult game. Him being predictable as town is the entire reason to make the vote.Got a reason for that Roden?Your Jack vote felt safe, like you were aiming for someone who's reaction would be the most predictable. Do you find him suspicious?
This feels off for town, (as others have mentioned) and..
Always glad to contribute to a better Mamobo.Can you contribute to a better game? There has been literally zero movement today, just silence.
This is just you being a dick.
So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.
Post by: TricMagic on June 19, 2022, 10:27:49 am
Post by: webadict on June 19, 2022, 11:12:39 am
Something to add onto (mostly for Web's sake) -Yes. If they don't post by Monday, I'll replace in RoseHeart. It's on my radar.
Web- Can you message Oliverz144? We might need a replacement for him. He hasn't replied at all since game start.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 19, 2022, 01:57:14 pm
I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.
I get where you’re coming from, but voting Jack based off a suspicion when they could have plenty of things that would cause them to not immediately respond to you.
But, you can vote how you want, we don’t have any better leads at this point till more people post.
Post by: TricMagic on June 19, 2022, 02:39:17 pm
You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.
Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence? Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?
Post by: EuchreJack on June 19, 2022, 03:56:20 pm
I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.
Dude, it's one vote and you're already getting a ton of crap about it. I've been busy, and had a few internet issues.
Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?
Post by: EuchreJack on June 19, 2022, 04:04:06 pm
An interesting discussion!
...the fact it dissuades us from Chinese Fire Drill alone makes it worthwhile.
Can you explain what you mean by Chinese Fire Drill in this instance?
A very good question, and something important to explain to newer members.
A Chinese Fire Drill is when most of the players repeatedly swap their votes between two or more players in the last 5-10 minutes of the game. It's most likely to occur when several players are just following the votes of one or two more experienced players.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 19, 2022, 04:08:20 pm
I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.Just an FYI, not wanting to be involved in eventually lynching someone is scummy. Our only way to kill scum is by the Lynch. Not lynching usually means Mafia wins, as typically Mafia has a night kill and town does not.
But I like the rest of the post, hence my giving you advice rather than voting you. We need more people actually playing like Lidku.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 19, 2022, 04:26:56 pm
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 19, 2022, 05:28:53 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.
I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.
Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.
I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.
I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.
I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.
I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.
You gotta do more than this, man.
Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.
Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.
But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.
So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.
EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.
PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez
What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?
I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.
I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.
Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?
Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?
Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?
It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.
You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.
Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?
The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.
Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?
Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.
Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!
Was the one post Roden made (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382471#msg8382471) between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?
Here's where I'm at so far in the game.
BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.
Post by: TricMagic on June 19, 2022, 06:31:10 pm
Also I breadcrumbed the very first post I made.
I don’t steal things, so that’s one person cleared.
Nah, but actually I’m gonna wait a little bit for more info to come out, then I’ll post again in a little bit.
What a Super start Knightwing, but where were you at lunchtime? I was in my workshop. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on June 19, 2022, 07:19:10 pm
Nothing was really happening. This is a good post though Jim.
Also I breadcrumbed the very first post I made.I don’t steal things, so that’s one person cleared.
Nah, but actually I’m gonna wait a little bit for more info to come out, then I’ll post again in a little bit.
What a Super start Knightwing, but where were you at lunchtime? I was in my workshop. :P
Ah so!
I'll happily abstain from voting you if you give me stuff!
I'll even "forget" to mention Mafia Inventors and how Toony completely and utterly fooled me as one!
Eh, feeling better about Jim for now, so Unvote.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 19, 2022, 07:30:17 pm
Hmm...TricMagic
I agree with Blu that we shouldn't come to a consensus on the Vig target if one exists. Web usually gives scum abilities that counter mass PR claims and action organizing.
Hm, Town!Roden usually tries to mechanically solve, yet this post explains why Roden isn't doing that.
Maybe Jim has a point and I shouldn't have switched to him from Roden. Then again, if I read some anger and frustration into this post:
Maybe it would be a good idea for the newer players to put some votes down so that we can get an idea of where their heads are at....then that would be town!Roden. But that is reading a lot.
@Roden: What are your thoughts on the current game state?
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 19, 2022, 07:32:12 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 19, 2022, 08:09:58 pm
Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?"a repeat of every other BYOR" would've been an interesting role though.
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Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fineI suppose that's true. I haven't been feeling my best and it's been a little hard to dredge up the effort. Now that the thread's picking up a bit I'll try harder.
I'll even "forget" to mention Mafia Inventors and how Toony completely and utterly fooled me as one!Please do, I do not wish to remember it :'(
Post by: webadict on June 19, 2022, 08:29:00 pm
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TricMagic - 3 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382199#msg8382199), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382581#msg8382581),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382516#msg8382516),
EuchreJack - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382092#msg8382092),
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
Oliverz144 - 0 -
Roden - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 4 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382741#msg8382741), Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~47 hours remaining).
Post by: Roden on June 19, 2022, 10:21:52 pm
Game state is pretty dead, it feels like a lot of people are too apprehensive to make a serious push somewhere. I'm hoping Oliver shows up soon and makes an impact.Hmm...TricMagic
I agree with Blu that we shouldn't come to a consensus on the Vig target if one exists. Web usually gives scum abilities that counter mass PR claims and action organizing.
Hm, Town!Roden usually tries to mechanically solve, yet this post explains why Roden isn't doing that.
Maybe Jim has a point and I shouldn't have switched to him from Roden. Then again, if I read some anger and frustration into this post:Maybe it would be a good idea for the newer players to put some votes down so that we can get an idea of where their heads are at....then that would be town!Roden. But that is reading a lot.
@Roden: What are your thoughts on the current game state?
Also I'm not trying to mechanically solve because that just isn't a good idea today. Day 2 claims will likely help us lock down scum since we'll have more information to work with.
Post by: Lidku on June 19, 2022, 10:30:02 pm
I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.Just an FYI, not wanting to be involved in eventually lynching someone is scummy. Our only way to kill scum is by the Lynch. Not lynching usually means Mafia wins, as typically Mafia has a night kill and town does not.
But I like the rest of the post, hence my giving you advice rather than voting you. We need more people actually playing like Lidku.
But I don't understand. If the person lynched isn't "scum" so-to-speak, then all that does is kill another townsperson. Along with that, when Night comes, then the Mafia will kill another townsperson. That's just two townspeople down.
There isn't really real way to tell who's "scum", since talking in the thread doesn't give real evidence. It's just talking. And the other posters will seemingly stay quiet, so that even branches out an even smaller avenue of discerning who's who.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 19, 2022, 11:02:08 pm
There isn't really real way to tell who's "scum", since talking in the thread doesn't give real evidence. It's just talking. And the other posters will seemingly stay quiet, so that even branches out an even smaller avenue of discerning who's who.This is theoretically true, but you severely overestimate the ability of players to avoid giving away all their secrets through subtle behavioral tells. :P
Post by: Lenglon on June 20, 2022, 12:20:56 am
Post by: Lidku on June 20, 2022, 12:30:28 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2022, 12:34:00 am
Rodent’s post seemed pretty clear headed tho? Putting anger into it would be a reach, don’t you think? But your the resident Roden expert, I guess. :D
Look at him go! It's one step away from a pointed question or attack on another player!
I suppose that's true. I haven't been feeling my best and it's been a little hard to dredge up the effort. Now that the thread's picking up a bit I'll try harder.
*sigh*
This is familiar Maximum Spin meta.
Game state is pretty dead, it feels like a lot of people are too apprehensive to make a serious push somewhere. I'm hoping Oliver shows up soon and makes an impact.
People such as...?
Also I'm not trying to mechanically solve because that just isn't a good idea today. Day 2 claims will likely help us lock down scum since we'll have more information to work with.
If this weren't a Beginner's Mafia I'd say it's not worth trying to mechanically solve the game since I think webadict hates it when that happens, but this is a Beginner's Mafia so I'm wondering if it might be useful in this game.
I find it also interesting that BluarianKnight hasn't reacted to me blind voting for him at all yet...
This is great! An inclination about another player's intentions! This is great!
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 20, 2022, 05:21:32 am
*sigh*that's hurtful :(
This is familiar Maximum Spin meta.
I'm not so great when there's not much going on, okay.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 20, 2022, 07:51:17 am
I find it also interesting that BluarianKnight hasn't reacted to me blind voting for him at all yet...
I was asleep! You voted me, not really asked any questions for me to disprove it?
As well, you've yet to answer my question to you;
Lidku - I haven't seen you around before! Who'd you point as the sussiest of bakas out of the current players?
What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?
The level of aggression. I don't care it's to Euchre, I just think it's a bit unreasonable. It might just be that I haven't been around a while, but I've never seen Tric be this level of aggression to someone.
To me at least, either he's changed - or he's frustrated. The only thing I can think of that could piss him off this early is that he's scum with either a newbie or a no-show.
Having done a look through a thread again, there's something else that bugs me.
As others stated, I'd really like to see some more activity from Roden.
His only posts so far leave me a little.. unsure?
Spoiler: Explanation of thoughts on Roden (click to show/hide)
Now, for questions.
Spin - What would be your town/scumreads, currently?
Euchre - You have a better reason for that Jim vote?
Lidku - Given your fresh perspective, if you'd have to guess someone as Mafia right now, who would it be, and why?
Now, I will return to my lair.
Post by: Roden on June 20, 2022, 08:48:43 am
Mainly the people who aren't voting. And in Lidku's case, voting someone he doesn't seem to want to lynch.Game state is pretty dead, it feels like a lot of people are too apprehensive to make a serious push somewhere. I'm hoping Oliver shows up soon and makes an impact.
People such as...?Also I'm not trying to mechanically solve because that just isn't a good idea today. Day 2 claims will likely help us lock down scum since we'll have more information to work with.
If this weren't a Beginner's Mafia I'd say it's not worth trying to mechanically solve the game since I think webadict hates it when that happens, but this is a Beginner's Mafia so I'm wondering if it might be useful in this game.
And I do think mechanical solving has it's place in this game. Just, not right now. Most can we do on Day 1 is discuss PRs, which just seems like a bad idea right now. Worst case scenario, Cop and Doc exists and gets outed and made useless before they get a chance to act.
Post by: TricMagic on June 20, 2022, 08:51:01 am
I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.Just an FYI, not wanting to be involved in eventually lynching someone is scummy. Our only way to kill scum is by the Lynch. Not lynching usually means Mafia wins, as typically Mafia has a night kill and town does not.
But I like the rest of the post, hence my giving you advice rather than voting you. We need more people actually playing like Lidku.
But I don't understand. If the person lynched isn't "scum" so-to-speak, then all that does is kill another townsperson. Along with that, when Night comes, then the Mafia will kill another townsperson. That's just two townspeople down.
There isn't really real way to tell who's "scum", since talking in the thread doesn't give real evidence. It's just talking. And the other posters will seemingly stay quiet, so that even branches out an even smaller avenue of discerning who's who.
You can tell a lot about who's voting who and why, and pick out motives that are less than pure.
That said, at the moment I think I can town-read you and Jim. We'll see if I can get more town reads as I catch up.
If you have people you can somewhat trust, you can narrow things down. Always keep an open mind though, difficult as that is.
Post by: TricMagic on June 20, 2022, 09:10:51 am
Snips and makes some Zettai out of spiderwebs..
The level of aggression. I don't care it's to Euchre, I just think it's a bit unreasonable. It might just be that I haven't been around a while, but I've never seen Tric be this level of aggression to someone.
To me at least, either he's changed - or he's frustrated. The only thing I can think of that could piss him off this early is that he's scum with either a newbie or a no-show.
Now, I will return to my lair.
Here's the thing. Lidku is a new player, and you're being very cheery. So chose to put a vote on Jack to see if he'd crack and spill some town-sided info like he normally does. But nope!The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
And your snickering at the boss makes you sooo innocent?
You tell him high five buddy, we minimum wage workers have to stick together.
Funny funny. EuchreJack
His further posts don't actually feel like Town!Jack to me either. Why "pressure" Roden with a vote? What's the reason behind it? While you might think me town, that in itself is a strange stance to take given my last game and it literally being day 1 start. Is there no doubt in your mind that I'm town Jack?
Sorry Jack, we're not the newbies anymore.I'd say you're probably town though because I doubt anybody who was scum could be this off base about the game and how it's played. In theory you'd have a team member you could ask.
I agree. Lidku is probably town and very new to this game.
Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.
I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.
I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.
Sorry, I'm posting from phone due to internet issues.
In response to his post about giving advice to vigs, there isn't much. Shoot who you think is scum, and decide when to fire the shot. I'd advise against shooting blindly for at least two days though. You're more likely to cause chaos than hit your target, though Night 1 is both the best and worst night for it due to the number of players in a game with multiple power roles.
Dude, it's one vote and you're already getting a ton of crap about it. I've been busy, and had a few internet issues.This is effectively the opposite of my style, where I stick myself out and see who takes a shot at me. So you're looking to do what I do and just wait and see. But that doesn't actually work as a stratagy on it's own Day 1, you also have to question other people.
Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?
The issue is thus, Jack hasn't actually put himself out there, given reads and hard questions to those he's voting. It's not pressure if you don't ask pointed questions to the one you are voting for, when they don't have any votes on them at the moment. And as Jim noticed, no nonsense, just mechanical advice. Helpful to newbies, but uh... That doesn't help us to give a read on you more directly, hence why I had to use a post with mechanical advice in the first place for this argument, it's the only possible slipup you've made, whether you are town or scum. Which is itself odd.
Post by: Lidku on June 20, 2022, 09:17:36 am
Quote from: BluarianKnight
Lidku - Given your fresh perspective, if you'd have to guess someone as Mafia right now, who would it be, and why?
I have no real idea who would be Mafia at the moment.
Also, I thought you weren't posting in the thread earlier, but you were. I must've read over your name by accident. lol
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 09:24:21 am
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
Post by: TricMagic on June 20, 2022, 09:31:50 am
Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 01:21:14 pm
I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.Sorry Tric, I just find statements like this hard for you to fake as scum.
I mean, the reason you sweeped the last game as scum is because you SHUT THE FUCK UP. We stopped noticing you, and then you won.
This constant irritating noise sounds like town!Tric.
So yeah...I am going to just townlock you and move onto other people.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 01:30:19 pm
Also: I had voted Jim because he wasn't being enough of an Asshole, which is the meta for town!Jim. I think that is legit.
Blue (and everyone else applicable): Why aren't you voting? You seem to be building a case on Roden, so why not back that up with a vote?
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 01:35:34 pm
Mainly the people who aren't voting. And in Lidku's case, voting someone he doesn't seem to want to lynch.Game state is pretty dead, it feels like a lot of people are too apprehensive to make a serious push somewhere. I'm hoping Oliver shows up soon and makes an impact.
People such as...?Also I'm not trying to mechanically solve because that just isn't a good idea today. Day 2 claims will likely help us lock down scum since we'll have more information to work with.
If this weren't a Beginner's Mafia I'd say it's not worth trying to mechanically solve the game since I think webadict hates it when that happens, but this is a Beginner's Mafia so I'm wondering if it might be useful in this game.
And I do think mechanical solving has it's place in this game. Just, not right now. Most can we do on Day 1 is discuss PRs, which just seems like a bad idea right now. Worst case scenario, Cop and Doc exists and gets outed and made useless before they get a chance to act.
While I agree that Cop and Doc, if they exist, should shut the fuck up, perhaps there are roles are ok to discuss?
Off the top of my head, I'll add Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, and Bulletproof to that list of DO NOT DISCUSS.
Tric's already hinted at Inventor, and the word Vigilante has been batted around. Who do you think should get the Inventor's stuff, if one exists? Who should the Vigilante shoot, if one exists?
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 20, 2022, 01:35:56 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 01:36:22 pm
I find it also interesting that BluarianKnight hasn't reacted to me blind voting for them at all yet...
I see the words "edit" in this post. DO NOT DO THAT!
Post by: Lidku on June 20, 2022, 02:00:49 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 02:17:54 pm
Sorry about that, I corrected a spelling mistake.Yeah, unfortunately you can't do that.
Your erors have to remainder forevr. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 02:20:21 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 02:49:16 pm
(this is hard, why won't you all post more!?)
Spoiler: Easy Version (click to show/hide)
Lidku: This newbie is trying, and I'm basically brushing off anything scummy as just not knowing what they're doing. Good intentions and all that.
Oliverz144: Null, maybe Roseheart will actually say something when they sub in? Hopefully soon?
Maximum Spin: I can never read Max on Day 1.
Jim Groovester: Was worried earlier, but now back to usual snarky town self. But still unsure.
BluarianKnight: Seems townie, but too good at playing scum. Plus, it has been a while since I've been in a game with Blue, so I'm a bit rusty at reading them.
Knightwing64: I'm starting to get worried that Knightwing is buddying me.
Roden: I'll put Roden here for now. Maybe when I get an answer to my recent questions, I'll know more? More quiet that I would like.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 02:51:20 pm
Reads list:
EDIT for more clarity:
Townish:
TricMagic: I really find it hard to believe this is scum!Tric. For one thing, scum!Tric wouldn't be trying so hard to convince me that he was scum...
Lidku: This newbie is trying, and I'm basically brushing off anything scummy as just not knowing what they're doing. Good intentions and all that.
Null:
Oliverz144: Null, maybe Roseheart will actually say something when they sub in? Hopefully soon?
Maximum Spin: I can never read Max on Day 1.
Jim Groovester: Was worried earlier, but now back to usual snarky town self. But still unsure.
BluarianKnight: Seems townie, but too good at playing scum. Plus, it has been a while since I've been in a game with Blue, so I'm a bit rusty at reading them.
Scummish:
Knightwing64: I'm starting to get worried that Knightwing is buddying me.
Roden: I'll put Roden here for now. Maybe when I get an answer to my recent questions, I'll know more? More quiet that I would like.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 20, 2022, 03:14:20 pm
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 20, 2022, 03:30:23 pm
I hoep this is balanced
See you tmrw
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 03:44:41 pm
I am ttownVote Oliverz144
I hoep this is balanced
See you tmrw
Because you need to post more than that.
I mean, hey maybe you could do a reads list!
Or ask someone something!
Or make a second post during this day phase!
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 20, 2022, 04:21:38 pm
Post by: Roden on June 20, 2022, 04:22:01 pm
If you think Jack is guaranteed scum and that one of Blu or me is a possible partner, wouldn't it make more sense to vote the player you feel more confident is scum than someone you think you could be wrong about?Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
Post by: Roden on June 20, 2022, 04:25:50 pm
Main issue that if someone claims not Doc or not Cop, it narrows the choices down for scum.Mainly the people who aren't voting. And in Lidku's case, voting someone he doesn't seem to want to lynch.Game state is pretty dead, it feels like a lot of people are too apprehensive to make a serious push somewhere. I'm hoping Oliver shows up soon and makes an impact.
People such as...?Also I'm not trying to mechanically solve because that just isn't a good idea today. Day 2 claims will likely help us lock down scum since we'll have more information to work with.
If this weren't a Beginner's Mafia I'd say it's not worth trying to mechanically solve the game since I think webadict hates it when that happens, but this is a Beginner's Mafia so I'm wondering if it might be useful in this game.
And I do think mechanical solving has it's place in this game. Just, not right now. Most can we do on Day 1 is discuss PRs, which just seems like a bad idea right now. Worst case scenario, Cop and Doc exists and gets outed and made useless before they get a chance to act.
While I agree that Cop and Doc, if they exist, should shut the fuck up, perhaps there are roles are ok to discuss?
Off the top of my head, I'll add Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, and Bulletproof to that list of DO NOT DISCUSS.
Tric's already hinted at Inventor, and the word Vigilante has been batted around. Who do you think should get the Inventor's stuff, if one exists? Who should the Vigilante shoot, if one exists?
Post by: TricMagic on June 20, 2022, 04:33:24 pm
Pretty much, but does it look like anyone else is? I made my case, not much else I can do if he's not going to interact beyond "townreading" me.If you think Jack is guaranteed scum and that one of Blu or me is a possible partner, wouldn't it make more sense to vote the player you feel more confident is scum than someone you think you could be wrong about?Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 20, 2022, 06:31:13 pm
WTF? How am I not interacting?Pretty much, but does it look like anyone else is? I made my case, not much else I can do if he's not going to interact beyond "townreading" me.If you think Jack is guaranteed scum and that one of Blu or me is a possible partner, wouldn't it make more sense to vote the player you feel more confident is scum than someone you think you could be wrong about?Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 20, 2022, 08:18:24 pm
@Max: Is Knightwing scum? I never figured out how to use the secret decoder ring to detect Knightwing's alignment.So far he seems like he's actually trying. Maybe not MUCH, but I'd definitely say the secret decoder ring isn't giving me any strong scum signal. That said, I'm not convinced of the continuing utility of that ring now that he knows the secret and can just stop doing it.
I have not read the rest of the thread yet.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 20, 2022, 08:48:35 pm
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think that either Tric or Jack is scum, although they could just be 2 dumb townies duking it out for some reason.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 20, 2022, 08:51:37 pm
Your secret to telling if I’m scum or not is judging the effort I put in to the game?Okay, I guess it still works.
Post by: Mamobo on June 20, 2022, 09:55:18 pm
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TricMagic - 3 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382199#msg8382199), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382581#msg8382581),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382516#msg8382516),
Oliverz144 - 1 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993),
Roden - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (22 hours and 4 minutes remaining.)
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 20, 2022, 11:35:32 pm
Thanks for reading.
More later tonight.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 12:17:36 am
The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
Because we dont like our boss. We are exploited!
Also there were 3, and there are 2 mafia.... so if anything, the other 2s are the mafia. Now im reading up quiet-if one of you is online for some real time interaction, hmu
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 12:33:22 am
Let's take a moment to talk about activity. But first, let's see what I've said about activity in previous Beginner's Mafias.Great wall dudeSpoiler (click to show/hide)
As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.
I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.
I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.
I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.
You gotta do more than this, man.
Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.
Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.
But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.
EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.
PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez
What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.
I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?
Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?
Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.
You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.
Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?
The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?
Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!
Was the one post Roden made (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382471#msg8382471) between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?
Here's where I'm at so far in the game.
BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.
Lol
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 01:48:18 am
Let's take a moment to talk about activity. But first, let's see what I've said about activity in previous Beginner's Mafias.Great wall dudeSpoiler (click to show/hide)
As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.
I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.
I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.
I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.
You gotta do more than this, man.
Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.
Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.
But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.
EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.
PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez
What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.
I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?
Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?
Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.
You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.
Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?
The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?
Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!
Was the one post Roden made (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382471#msg8382471) between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?
Here's where I'm at so far in the game.
BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.
Lol
Thanks, asshole.
Post by: Roden on June 21, 2022, 03:02:23 am
You know all this mafia bullshit is nice and fun and all that, but I benched 235 lbs. for the first time today.I kinda town read this lol
Thanks for reading.
More later tonight.
Oliver has uh, certainly made an impression
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 04:15:32 am
Having done a look through a thread again, there's something else that bugs me.
As others stated, I'd really like to see some more activity from Roden.
His only posts so far leave me a little.. unsure?Spoiler: Explanation of thoughts on Roden (click to show/hide)
I kind of feel this.
Roden has also been sitting on the TricMagic vote without further material, refinement, or elaboration and I think that's contributing to the feeling of low engagement I get from him.
ultra instinct TricMagic
I don't think I've ever seen this out of TricMagic before and I'm not sure what to make of it.
I think TricMagic generally gets underestimated so I could see him doing something like this as scum but this doesn't feel like scum TricMagic to me.
Yeah TricMagic is making the boldest statements in the game so far. I don't see him being scum here, especially compared to my cult game where he very tactically avoided drawing attention to himself.
The issue is thus, Jack hasn't actually put himself out there, given reads and hard questions to those he's voting. It's not pressure if you don't ask pointed questions to the one you are voting for, when they don't have any votes on them at the moment. And as Jim noticed, no nonsense, just mechanical advice. Helpful to newbies, but uh... That doesn't help us to give a read on you more directly, hence why I had to use a post with mechanical advice in the first place for this argument, it's the only possible slipup you've made, whether you are town or scum. Which is itself odd.
I'm finding your argument against EuchreJack difficult to track. I'll reread the thread tomorrow but if you could help me out in seeing your point that would help.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
What about these two make you think they're teamed up with EuchreJack?
@Blue: Responding as best as I can to this post (http://this post) (because the formatting seems hard to just respond by quoting), isn't is possible that Tric is frustrated because he got an ability with some horrible downside, or that Tric might be a Night 1 vigilante and frantically trying to figure out who to shoot?
Fucking what
I really want to know how you came around to thinking this was even a possibility but I'm used to seeing complete nonsense coming from you and trying to get a satisfactory explanation out of you has been so difficult in the past that whenever I see you post nonsense I just let it go and chalk it up to normal EuchreJack nonsense because it's not worth it to pick at you every time you don't make sense since I'd be spending the entire game asking you questions about pretty much every single post you make.
But gosh does this sure feel like on-brand EuchreJack flavor.
While I agree that Cop and Doc, if they exist, should shut the fuck up, perhaps there are roles are ok to discuss?
Off the top of my head, I'll add Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, and Bulletproof to that list of DO NOT DISCUSS.
Tric's already hinted at Inventor, and the word Vigilante has been batted around. Who do you think should get the Inventor's stuff, if one exists? Who should the Vigilante shoot, if one exists?
Honestly I don't think discussing roles during Day 1 is really all that big of a deal. Scum have to claim and/or fakeclaim on Day 1 and have to live with what they claim, and then the scumteam has to navigate the night game knowing what all the claimed town roles are and also the anxiety about whether there's some secret trump card the town hasn't claimed that's going to screw them over.
If the setup were less role heavy I'd agree.
BluarianKnight: Seems townie, but too good at playing scum. Plus, it has been a while since I've been in a game with Blue, so I'm a bit rusty at reading them.
too good at playing scum.
Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha sorry BK I shouldn't laugh
Here's where I'm at:
BluarianKnight - lean slightly town
EuchreJack - lean town due to on-brand EuchreJack nonsense
Knightwing64 - lean town due to effort
Lidku - town from previous read about being completely lost about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet; hasn't voted anybody yet
Oliverz144 - a complete mystery and not making it easy to figure him out
Roden - less quiet than Maximum Spin but has been sitting on the TricMagic vote
TricMagic - town due to making the strongest statements regarding players in the game so far.
By how I've enumerated my reads my vote should go somewhere between Maximum Spin, Roden, and Oliverz144, but Roden squatting on the TricMagic vote is giving me the most misgivings so he gets the vote here.
Roden, how are your reads shaping up going into the final stretch of Day 1? Is TricMagic the player you want to lynch today?
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 04:22:29 am
Why are you sure in this? I didnt find any s/s interaction. Clear me up!Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 21, 2022, 04:25:39 am
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 04:26:41 am
Im here ;) now. Yesterday i went to sleep... almodt would have forgotten this game.I am ttownVote Oliverz144
I hoep this is balanced
See you tmrw
Because you need to post more than that.
I mean, hey maybe you could do a reads list!
Or ask someone something!
Or make a second post during this day phase!
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 04:29:33 am
Yoo why so rude?Let's take a moment to talk about activity. But first, let's see what I've said about activity in previous Beginner's Mafias.Great wall dudeSpoiler (click to show/hide)
As you can see, I've had quite a few strong words about activity and its importance.
I'd say being active (purposefully active, not senselessly active) is more valuable for a beginner than knowing what to do. I would recommend all players increase their level of activity to make for a more enjoyable experience for everyone.Max, I wouldn’t recommend picking Lidku either, killing somebody d1 in one of their first games is kinda a dick move, and there’s no reason mafia wouldn’t just leave them alone and trick them into voting for the more dangerous townies.I would tend to agree with this. Plus, if a new player rolled Mafia, they would probably get one or more teammates that are more experienced and thus more of a thread.
I mean, if a new player outright scumslips, then yeah vote scum. But ideally, we'd eliminate scum among the more experienced players.
I generally agree that in a Beginner's Mafia letting the beginners actually play is probably more worthwhile than going after them hard, but I also caution you that beginners can still be scum.I'm just going to vote for someone with no votes yet. I'm not going to pile on with someone with high votes already, because I don't want to be involved in "lynching" anyone, wherein due to the fact that I have little-to-no evidence yet to really go off of. BluarianKnight.
You gotta do more than this, man.
Forming a consensus on who to lynch is an essential part of the day game for the town. Laying your cards on the table, discussing who you want to lynch and who you don't want to lynch is typical, as is some amount of bargaining as well as challenging other players to see whether what they say they want is actually what they do want.
Unfortunately you won't be able to succeed in this game without a certain amount of bloodthirstyness.
But it's not personal, it's just how the game is played.So unless you're trying to radiate some D1 power play I want a more reasonable answer on why you're trying to kick Euchre like a limping puppy.
EuchreJack's no stranger to abuse so this raises my eyebrow a little.
PPE: the fucker even begs for it geez
What's more concerning to you: is it the amount of aggression, or that it's being directed at EuchreJack?I'm trying to get him to react. It's not working, and that just makes me suspect him even more. This isn't Town Jack, he'd be posting all over the place, this is a calculating Jack held back by a teammate. Even him calling me town is odd so early on, more a way to get me off that path. Especially when I just sweeped the last game I was Cult in.
I would've agreed with your read about EuchreJack's activity if he hadn't posted four times in a row just now.Or is the fact I have a Super tagged ability causing people to get on me?
Does every BYOR have to be a repeat of every other BYOR?
Why would any of the attacks directed at you be about your role when you haven't brought it up at all until now?It being a starting vote is also a decent reason, as there isn't much else to talk about at the moment.
You can get on me all you want, but remember this. I'd have to be in it alone for me to be scum. So either way you look at it, me being lynched doesn't help you there.
Sure I could be scum with someone, but wher'es the evidence?
The rest of this post seems pricklier than necessary.Seems to me that I can learn plenty about you by letting everyone else go after you, while I talk with other people. Does that make sense to you?
Kind of a bizarrely passive tact to take with TricMagic.Well, I'm feeling better about Roden, and Jim isn't being enough of an asshole, so Jim Groovester
I mean, he hasn't even called me an Idiot yet, and we're been playing for approximately 54 hours!
Was the one post Roden made (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382471#msg8382471) between when you voted him and your post here really enough to make you feel better about him?
Here's where I'm at so far in the game.
BluarianKnight - always perma scum forever and ever more but actually he's not reading scum to me super hard like normal
EuchreJack - Haven't decided if this is on-brand town EuchreJack yet. I've noted some issues but usually issues like this can be resolved with EuchreJack confidently and rapidly posting completely irrational nonsense.
Knightwing64 - putting in a decent amount of effort. Still not sure about him; I forget which game it was but he was scum in it and I underestimated him. I'm inclined to read Knightwing64 favorably rather than not so far.
Lidku - probably town just because of ignorance about the game type
Maximum Spin - kind of quiet but fine
Oliverz144 - ?????????????????????????????
Roden - kind of quiet but fine
TricMagic - TricMagic thinking the attacks on him are about his role is 100% original flavor on-brand TricMagic, but the defensiveness in general is causing me unease. Feels like he's being more defensive than he needs to be given the amount of votes he currently has and the time until deadline.
Lol
Thanks, asshole.
Someone earlier said that being aggressive is your town meta. I once had it that way too, but i got some grip and now im no longer.
Please, dont put ate (appeal to emotions) into the game. Thank you!
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 04:33:49 am
Oliverz144You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 21, 2022, 06:07:15 am
Oliverz144You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Right. The fact you aren't even putting in the effort either makes me think you're a Jester.. or you genuinely don't care.
Your first post had grammar in it. I've not seen anything that looked like it took more than 30 seconds from you since. Put some effort in the game at least.
If I don't see an improvement I still think Web should replace, even if it's a b. mafia. If he's town, he's going to force a lynch. If he's mafia, whoever he's playing with is probably pissed. If he's a jester.. I still think it's bad play to be an asshole and not put effort in the game.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 21, 2022, 06:30:41 am
Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
That is actually kinda offensive. There’s no way I act like that dude as scum
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2022, 07:07:02 am
If I don't see an improvement I still think Web should replace, even if it's a b. mafia. If he's town, he's going to force a lynch. If he's mafia, whoever he's playing with is probably pissed. If he's a jester.. I still think it's bad play to be an asshole and not put effort in the game.First, there are only Town and Mafia in Beginner Mafia, just for clarity. This was explained in the opebing post, so this isn't new information.
Second, while Oliverz wasn't super active (considering the first few days), I now consider Oliverz's activity acceptable. There will be no replacing Oliverz based on activity. They have done a reads list, commented on the state of the game, and communicated with other players. From a moderator standpoint, this is NOT replaceable behavior from my viewpoint (I gladly welcome the increase in activity!), although I will continue watching Oliverz in case activity drops.
Now, please continue as you were.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 07:12:07 am
I read up the full thread, posted my reads, showed further interest in the game, and requested some nice game related talk.
I was nice and polite, and although my english is bad and i make a lot of typos, i still think it is understandable.
Yes, you may complain about me arriving late, to the thread, but hey - im now here!
However, i was not greeted with open arms, as a beginner mafia game should be like. 4 posts regarded me recently, and they weren't nice nor friendly at all.
Im shocked.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 07:29:49 am
Vote CountWith the vote of jim being on roden and max on me
------------------------
TricMagic - 3 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382199#msg8382199), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382581#msg8382581),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382516#msg8382516),
Oliverz144 - 1 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993),
Roden - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (22 hours and 4 minutes remaining.)
The wagons are 2v2v2
Rodan v tricmagic v oli (me)
The 2 counter wagons to me...they are my top scumreads.
With eod being in 12.5 hours, im not feeling comfortable.
Later i will self preserve on one of the two, but i would REALLY like to see some more from those two.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 21, 2022, 08:13:39 am
I can NOT understand the current situation.
I read up the full thread, posted my reads, showed further interest in the game, and requested some nice game related talk.
I was nice and polite, and although my english is bad and i make a lot of typos, i still think it is understandable.
Yes, you may complain about me arriving late, to the thread, but hey - im now here!
However, i was not greeted with open arms, as a beginner mafia game should be like. 4 posts regarded me recently, and they weren't nice nor friendly at all.
Im shocked.
In our defense you barely posted and one of the first things you did was quote a quote pyramid for no reason. You acted more like a troll then a player who was actually trying at the game, all the typos didn’t help. You have to look at this from our POV. Either you weren’t trying very hard, or your a asshole troll just trying to piss people off.
Great wall dude
Lol
Can you not see how this could be taken in a different manner? While you probably meant it as friendly snarking, it was presented in a very douchy way and colored almost everyone’s first interaction with you in a negative light.
Most of your typos look like they could have been corrected if you spent 20 seconds looking over your post, which made it seem like you weren’t even trying.
Post by: Mamobo on June 21, 2022, 09:31:34 am
------------------------
Oliverz144 - 2 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383153#msg8383153),
Roden - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383149#msg8383149),
TricMagic - 2 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382581#msg8382581),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382516#msg8382516),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - Knightwing64, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (10 hours and 28 minutes remaining.)
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2022, 09:33:02 am
Post by: Lidku on June 21, 2022, 10:08:23 am
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 10:17:44 am
Yoo why so rude?Great wall dude
Lol
Thanks, asshole.
Someone earlier said that being aggressive is your town meta. I once had it that way too, but i got some grip and now im no longer.
Please, dont put ate (appeal to emotions) into the game. Thank you!
If I was wrong to read 'great wall dude lol' as something else other than mockery, please tell me what message was intended to be communicated instead. :|
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 10:19:02 am
If I was wrong to read 'great wall dude lol' as something else other than mockery, please tell me what message was intended to be communicated instead. :|
duuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr i should wake up before posting
If I was wrong to read 'great wall dude lol' as mockery then tell me what message was intended to be communicated instead.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 11:06:16 am
Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Really? You really think so?
You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Interesting reads in that you see more wolves than not.
Do you suspect TricMagic and Roden are on a team? You call both of them scum but they're voting each other. How does that work?
I'll change my vote to Roden.
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
But why?
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 11:18:06 am
I'll change my vote to Roden.Please stop the edits. Double-posting is OK in these games.
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 21, 2022, 11:20:32 am
Yeah. Maybe I am violating Hanlon's razor but it looks like radar chaff to me.Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Really? You really think so?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 11:26:16 am
Yeah. Maybe I am violating Hanlon's razor but it looks like radar chaff to me.Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Really? You really think so?
Alright.
I don't see it myself but I'd expect a scum player to be a lot more cautious about attacking the new players.
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 11:31:34 am
I'm tempted to vote him out myself. Their posts haven't exactly been helpful.Yeah. Maybe I am violating Hanlon's razor but it looks like radar chaff to me.Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Really? You really think so?
Alright.
I don't see it myself but I'd expect a scum player to be a lot more cautious about attacking the new players.
Post by: Lidku on June 21, 2022, 11:32:42 am
Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Really? You really think so?You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Interesting reads in that you see more wolves than not.
Do you suspect TricMagic and Roden are on a team? You call both of them scum but they're voting each other. How does that work?I'll change my vote to Roden.
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
But why?
From what I've been reading from other people in this thread, people are "reading" TricMagic as town. Oliver is being pegged as "Jester," so with that role in mind, he wouldn't be mafia.
I have nothing real concrete to go off voting for Roden, but he's out of the three that I don't really have any justifications for him not being a Mafioso. You said yourself that you have to vote, even if you're aren't 100% someone is Mafia, because you don't vote, the Mafia has a better chance at winning the game.
I don't know if its necessarily the right choice, but breaking the tie on Roden is what I'll have to go with. It's better than wasting a vote on BluarianKnight, who no one was voting against.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 11:36:11 am
I don't see it myself but I'd expect a scum player to be a lot more cautious about attacking the new players.
Cautious maybe isn't the right word.
I'd expect a gentler, more nurturing attitude, and maybe a little caution as well, when deciding to go after the new players, rather than the no fucks given throw them in the deep end of the pool approach.
I'm tempted to vote him out myself. Their posts haven't exactly been helpful.
I understand.
From what I've been reading from other people in this thread, people are "reading" TricMagic as town. Oliver is being pegged as "Jester," so with that role in mind, he wouldn't be mafia.
I have nothing real concrete to go off voting for Roden, but he's out of the three that I don't really have any justifications for him not being a Mafioso. You said yourself that you have to vote, even if you're aren't 100% someone is Mafia, because you don't vote, the Mafia has a better chance at winning the game.
I don't know if its necessarily the right choice, but breaking the tie on Roden is what I'll have to go with. It's better than wasting a vote on BluarianKnight, who no one was voting against.
Not a great justification but I'll acknowledge that you're making an earnest effort.
Is there no player you suspect of being scum, even weakly? It's better to have a reason even if it's weak than no reason at all.
Post by: Maximum Spin on June 21, 2022, 11:39:31 am
It's better than wasting a vote on BluarianKnight, who no one was voting against.I will if you wanna.
Also, there are no jesters.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 12:28:52 pm
I think that was bussing at the start of the day. Just the votes at eod count, you know? They arent a non-wolfteam option, they didnt spew each other town. And individually they are the scummiest!Oliverz144
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Really? You really think so?You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Interesting reads in that you see more wolves than not.
Do you suspect TricMagic and Roden are on a team? You call both of them scum but they're voting each other. How does that work?I'll change my vote to Roden.
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
But why?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 12:33:16 pm
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2022, 12:53:16 pm
I'll change my vote to Roden.Please do not edit. Double (or triple) posting is okay to do here, so do that instead. We even have an acronym: EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post.
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 21, 2022, 01:02:33 pm
Oliverz144
I can NOT understand the current situation.
I read up the full thread, posted my reads, showed further interest in the game, and requested some nice game related talk.
I was nice and polite, and although my english is bad and i make a lot of typos, i still think it is understandable.
Yes, you may complain about me arriving late, to the thread, but hey - im now here!
However, i was not greeted with open arms, as a beginner mafia game should be like. 4 posts regarded me recently, and they weren't nice nor friendly at all.
Im shocked.
This post rubs me in all the wrong ways.
Let's go through Oliver's posts and I'll point out why.
I am ttown
I hoep this is balanced
See you tmrw
This is a major change from his previous post, which had a lot more effort laid out into it - while still mistakes, this just seems like a far decrease of quality.
The three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
Because we dont like our boss. We are exploited!
Also there were 3, and there are 2 mafia.... so if anything, the other 2s are the mafia. Now im reading up quiet-if one of you is online for some real time interaction, hmu
This is less then 24 hours ago. He had a major time skip until he got back into things.
Jim putting fucking effort in, cut out due to it bein waaay too long.Great wall dude
Lol
This is you being a dick. Or just trying to make a joke, either way, why?
Why are you sure in this? I didnt find any s/s interaction. Clear me up!Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
What do you mean by scum interaction?
Yoo why so rude?
Someone earlier said that being aggressive is your town meta. I once had it that way too, but i got some grip and now im no longer.
Please, dont put ate (appeal to emotions) into the game. Thank you!
Because you were a dick to him.
Also, still feels like it's rushed.
Oliverz144You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Not a great strategy, but you're also not helping yourself.
Also, cool scumreads bro. Why?
Just telling us without any details is worthless in my eyes.
Given this and his other interactions.. I feel like voting him off is the right call.
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 01:07:39 pm
I think that was bussing at the start of the day. Just the votes at eod count, you know? They arent a non-wolfteam option, they didnt spew each other town. And individually they are the scummiest!
Individually doesn't matter unless they're solo. You'd need to put together the pieces to find their partner, otherwise you're at square one even if you're right. And if you're not? The actual team gets off fine.
Vote Count
------------------------
Oliverz144 - 2 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383153#msg8383153),
Roden - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383149#msg8383149),
TricMagic - 2 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382581#msg8382581),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382516#msg8382516),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - Knightwing64, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (10 hours and 28 minutes remaining.)
Let's take a look at where the votes are. Roden's pretty much kept it on me all day, and BK has also done so. This latest vote could just be a survival tactic for scum, but you don't make it any better by being dumbtown. Heck, you look like a Jester in a game with no Jesters, that is not a good look. And will get you lynched at no value to town, cause town would vote you off too.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 02:20:52 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 21, 2022, 02:47:51 pm
How do i split up quotes? Is that even possible?
Yes, but you have to manually manipulate the bb code formatting to do so.
How do i split up quotes?
Is that even possible?
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:05:23 pm
Honestly?
Oliverz144I can NOT understand the current situation.
I read up the full thread, posted my reads, showed further interest in the game, and requested some nice game related talk.
I was nice and polite, and although my english is bad and i make a lot of typos, i still think it is understandable.
Yes, you may complain about me arriving late, to the thread, but hey - im now here!
However, i was not greeted with open arms, as a beginner mafia game should be like. 4 posts regarded me recently, and they weren't nice nor friendly at all.
Im shocked.
This post rubs me in all the wrong ways.
Let's go through Oliver's posts and I'll point out why.I am ttown
I hoep this is balanced
See you tmrw
This is a major change from his previous post, which had a lot more effort laid out into it - while still mistakes, this just seems like a far decrease of quality.
yes. I remembered this game and wanted to know if it started. I saw it was d1 in the thread title, posted this short message to show im alive, and went to sleepThe three people high-fiving are kinda sus- ...I mean- kinda suspicious.
Why high five over a man getting his prescription lunch stolen?
Because we dont like our boss. We are exploited!
Also there were 3, and there are 2 mafia.... so if anything, the other 2s are the mafia. Now im reading up quiet-if one of you is online for some real time interaction, hmu
This is less then 24 hours ago. He had a major time skip until he got back into things.
may i ask you... why you say this? Obviously I have gaps in my posting, i was sleeping, and im not in thread 24/7!
This kinda starts feeling like iioa, on the second read.Jim putting fucking effort in, cut out due to it bein waaay too long.Great wall dude
Lol
This is you being a dick. Or just trying to make a joke, either way, why?
i was reading and saw a big spoiler and much text behind it. I was impressed- was it some long essay with a verdict?
As it turned out, it was... a call for more activity, with 10 year old quotes. Wow.
When i wrote that reply- i didnt know that, but i was impressed and positively surprised. And well, imagined reading all that.
You know... this forum is kinda different. Not only in the software, but also when it comes to the way people post. You dont say "lol", dont abbreviate "you" as "u", write "don't " with the vertical thingy between the n and the t.
You are less fast paced, write longer posts, and expect a lot of effort when it comes to outward appearance.
This is not a rant, i came here exactly for this. I want to up my language, and also up my mafia skills, short: get out of my comfort zone.Why are you sure in this? I didnt find any s/s interaction. Clear me up!Uh, Tric, you know you have several votes on you, right?You're assuming I care about the votes on me Jack.
And I'd say you are more likely town than scum. So, why should I go after you?
Also, you're an Inventor. That means free stuff!
Also, I have NO intention of revealing my role. NONE. Maybe its best I clarify that NOW.
It's been hard to give reads over the last couple of days since everyone is so NULL, hence why I hadn't bother yet. But now we do have enough info for reads, so I'll get on that.
That said, either Roden of Blue is scumteamed with you. So I'd be fine voting either.
What do you mean by scum interaction?
tric says that only roden or blue can be (i think thats you??) Can be a scummate with euchre.
I wanted to know why only those two are an option.Yoo why so rude?
Someone earlier said that being aggressive is your town meta. I once had it that way too, but i got some grip and now im no longer.
Please, dont put ate (appeal to emotions) into the game. Thank you!
Because you were a dick to him.
Also, still feels like it's rushed.
What do you mean with "rushed"?
That i dont put much time into my game posts?
Wouldn't that make me townie?Oliverz144You read me... based in meta from another player? For real?? Are you joking?!?!
Basis? He sounds like scum Knightwing.
Anyway, reads I got while reading up:
scum: roden, tricmagic,
scummy: grooveester, euchre, maximum
not poe: lidku, blue, one guy that I forgot his name
Not a great strategy, but you're also not helping yourself.
Also, cool scumreads bro. Why?
Just telling us without any details is worthless in my eyes.
yeah.... what strategy are you talking about?
Also thanks for baiting ;) i saw that all people make 3 lines for their reads explanation, and that im expected to do them too;)
Given this and his other interactions.. I feel like voting him off is the right call.
What other interactions? Didnt you say Those are all my points?
Idk man but im feeling not good after this your post, you can go to the scummy pile.
Other replies in bold!
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:06:47 pm
Given the fact that this is a 9p 2scum game... worldsolving might be a good idea.I think that was bussing at the start of the day. Just the votes at eod count, you know? They arent a non-wolfteam option, they didnt spew each other town. And individually they are the scummiest!
Individually doesn't matter unless they're solo. You'd need to put together the pieces to find their partner, otherwise you're at square one even if you're right. And if you're not? The actual team gets off fine.Vote Count
------------------------
Oliverz144 - 2 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383153#msg8383153),
Roden - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383149#msg8383149),
TricMagic - 2 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382581#msg8382581),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382516#msg8382516),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - Knightwing64, Oliverz144,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (10 hours and 28 minutes remaining.)
Let's take a look at where the votes are. Roden's pretty much kept it on me all day, and BK has also done so. This latest vote could just be a survival tactic for scum, but you don't make it any better by being dumbtown. Heck, you look like a Jester in a game with no Jesters, that is not a good look. And will get you lynched at no value to town, cause town would vote you off too.
But yeah this is dadv d1, no perfect scumteam solve today;(
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:07:49 pm
Eod is in 5h.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:32:07 pm
That leaves 2 out of 5. Not bad ngl.
I soon gotta self pres and trics last post wasnt that bad actually.
roden
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:33:46 pm
I'll change my vote to Roden.Thanks for the code :-*
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
Roden.
Did i vote right?
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:38:22 pm
I cant put it in words, but its prob the scummy rhat never flips red, that d1 lynch over nothing.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:39:25 pm
bluearianknight
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 03:55:57 pm
Please dont kill/vig me.
I , and we, want to have some fun ;)
Also, tell me whos townie/ who could get the mafia nk, thx!!!
Post by: Mamobo on June 21, 2022, 03:57:38 pm
------------------------
Oliverz144 - 3 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383153#msg8383153), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383243#msg8383243),
Roden - 3 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383149#msg8383149), Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383206#msg8383206),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383286#msg8383286),
TricMagic - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 1 - Knightwing64,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (4 hours and 4 minutes remaining.)
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 21, 2022, 04:00:15 pm
Vote CountWell... whatever.
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Oliverz144 - 3 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383153#msg8383153), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383243#msg8383243),
Roden - 3 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383149#msg8383149), Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383206#msg8383206),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383286#msg8383286),
TricMagic - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382122#msg8382122),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 1 - Knightwing64,
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (4 hours and 4 minutes remaining.)
roden
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 21, 2022, 04:52:17 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 04:59:13 pm
Hmm, Oliver or Roden…Roden. Oliver is just being.. Bad.
Jim knight lidku is my no touch town zone.Short as this is it's at least a list for them. But it seems like they're phone posting. Are you Oliverz144?
That leaves 2 out of 5. Not bad ngl.
I soon gotta self pres and trics last post wasnt that bad actually.
roden
Post by: Roden on June 21, 2022, 05:25:34 pm
I have a semi-Cop check, my ability works if my target doesn't commit the NK.
Lidku forcing a 1v1 between me and Oliver at EoD is pretty scummy.
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 05:37:13 pm
Wtf happened after I went to bedLidku isn't forcing a 1v1. Max, and Jack are just leaving their votes on Oliver. Blue switched over for whatever reason, so if you were going to blame the forcing of it, it would have to be on them.
I have a semi-Cop check, my ability works if my target doesn't commit the NK.
Lidku forcing a 1v1 between me and Oliver at EoD is pretty scummy.
And it was 2v2v2 earlier
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 05:40:17 pm
I'll change my vote to Roden.
(sorry for the edit, I used the "red glow" instead of regular red)
Honestly?
Oliverz144
Check the timestamps.
Post by: Roden on June 21, 2022, 06:01:33 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 21, 2022, 06:25:24 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 21, 2022, 06:30:13 pm
Lidku and Blu can both be scum.
That's a very weak counterargument. Particularly since they were voting different people.
Post by: Roden on June 21, 2022, 06:32:35 pm
RodenLmao
Imagine hammering a Cop claim
See y'all post game
Post by: Roden on June 21, 2022, 06:33:24 pm
Post by: webadict on June 21, 2022, 06:50:46 pm
"Guys, wait, this is a silly mistake, not only does literally all of us walk through here, making that piece of fabric inconclusive at best, but I also wear a special polymer work outfit that couldn't even leave pieces of fabric."
"Probably because you ripped this one," TricMagic says.
"Yeah, bringing your own outfit from home is its own suspicious, kid," Jim Groovester agrees.
Lidku, Oliverz144, and Knightwing64 all nod in agreement as Webley brings out the termination paperwork. "Clean out your locker. You're fired, sandwich thief."
Roden walks over to the lockers, takes off the lock and throws it, embedding it into the far wall next to a series of other, vaguely similar, holes. "OH LOOK, NO SANDWICH, YOU DUMB WEIRDO."
Roden stomps out of the breakroom. Webley doesn't look at him. Instead, he looks at the remaining crew. "Well, shift's over, get the fuck outta my store. We'll deal with this tomorrow."
Vote Count
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Roden - 5 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382897#msg8382897), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383149#msg8383149), Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383206#msg8383206), Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383293#msg8383293), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383327#msg8383327),
Oliverz144 - 3 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382993#msg8382993), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383153#msg8383153), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383243#msg8383243),
Lidku - 1 - Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383316#msg8383316),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Maximum Spin - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 0 -
5 to Hammer. Day ends on June 21, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (1 hours and 20 minutes remaining.)
Roden has been chosen for execution.
Roden was Smeargle (Town).
It is now Night. Please send in your Actions (or send that you are performing No Action) within 24 hours. The thread will be locked until that point.
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Roden
Role Name: Smeargle
Alignment: Town
Abilities:
(Night) Sketch [target]: You only learn one move, better use it right! If the target uses 1 or more non-Kill Actions during the Night, this Action is replaced by a new Action containing all of those Actions.
Tags: Copy
(Night) Sketch [target]: You only learn one move, better use it right! If the target uses 1 or more non-Kill Actions during the Night, this Action is replaced by a new Action containing all of those Actions.
Tags: Copy
Post by: webadict on June 22, 2022, 01:07:27 pm
“And I thought he was one of the good ones!” Webley yells before running off crying and slamming the office door shut.
The rest of you quickly, and obviously, point out that the real criminals probably did this. As the store starts up, Maximum Spin hands in his work badge, flips off the entire store, and then leaves.
At the end of the workday, you find yourselves (save two now) back in the office, and the gift card price has doubled to $50 now for the thieves’ names.
Maximum Spin has died.
Maximum Spin was An Entire Game of BYOR Mafia (Town).
Vote Count
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BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
Oliverz144 - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 7 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Lidku, Oliverz144, TricMagic,
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (~56 hours remaining).
It is now Day.
Quote
Maximum Spin
Role Name: An Entire Game of BYOR Mafia
Alignment: Town
Abilities:
(Auto) Game Within A Game: You want an entire game, you got one! During Day 1, group all nine (9) Players into three (3) groups of three (3). You may use Actions from dead Players, but those Actions may only target Players from within the same group as the dead Player.
{PT} (Auto) An Entire Mind Game: Welcome to WIFOM, population you. Non-Kill Actions performed on you do nothing instead.
Tags: Trigger
(Auto) Bringing Your Own Mafia: Let’s give you a benefit for predicting correctly. If all other Players within your group are dead, you may perform any number of different Actions.
Post by: TricMagic on June 22, 2022, 04:33:51 pm
So, who did what last night?
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 22, 2022, 04:40:37 pm
Also, I’m pretty sure scum team is Tric and Oliver.
Okay. As for the explanation, Tric told me to vote a townie, he could have been mistaken, no biggie. But who was the other person in threat of being lynched? Oliver.
Plus, Earlier someone said that Tric was acting testy early game and that normally only happened when he is saddled with a noob.
Also, one of the people that voted Oliver is now dead.
You guys are looking more and more suspicious.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 22, 2022, 04:43:12 pm
Hmm, Oliver or Roden…Roden. Oliver is just being.. Bad.Jim knight lidku is my no touch town zone.Short as this is it's at least a list for them. But it seems like they're phone posting. Are you Oliverz144?
That leaves 2 out of 5. Not bad ngl.
I soon gotta self pres and trics last post wasnt that bad actually.
roden
Also, I don’t think you have ever voted Oliver. Even as a joke.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 22, 2022, 04:47:28 pm
Oliverz144's suspects were the two most popular non-Oliverz144 wagons at the time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383156#msg8383156) despite the contradiction of Roden and TricMagic voting each other and then later on reinvents his reads to hop on a popular bandwagon (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383282#msg8383282) that also coincidentally saves himself. He swaps briefly over to BluarianKnight, I assume after Maximum Spin indicated he'd swap if Oliverz144 was willing, but Maximum Spin doesn't show up or didn't see it before Oliverz144 literally says whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383293#msg8383293) and votes Roden.
There's also that I respect Maximum Spin's reads a lot when he's willing to confidently take a stand on stuff like that and Maximum Spin read Oliverz144 as scum.
So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
Post by: TricMagic on June 22, 2022, 05:03:36 pm
Post by: Mamobo on June 22, 2022, 08:48:08 pm
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Oliverz144 - 1 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 6 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Knightwing64, Lidku, Oliverz144, TricMagic,
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (~49 hours remaining).
Post by: EuchreJack on June 22, 2022, 09:37:54 pm
@Blu: What are your thoughts?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 22, 2022, 11:15:35 pm
Redirecting somebody to the night kill isn't even that great evidence that they performed the night kill so stop waiting in anticipation to react to something that isn't even really a gotcha.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 22, 2022, 11:16:53 pm
Go do stuff.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 23, 2022, 12:14:39 am
Sorry for the double post but u can’t edit and need to add something. Whenever somebody has something negative to say about Oliver, you give excuses.Im indeed phone posting.Hmm, Oliver or Roden…Roden. Oliver is just being.. Bad.Jim knight lidku is my no touch town zone.Short as this is it's at least a list for them. But it seems like they're phone posting. Are you Oliverz144?
That leaves 2 out of 5. Not bad ngl.
I soon gotta self pres and trics last post wasnt that bad actually.
roden
Also, I don’t think you have ever voted Oliver. Even as a joke.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 23, 2022, 12:17:38 am
Thinking it through I think Oliverz144 looks worst coming from the end of day 1. I don't think Knightwing64 hammers as scum here although I think I would've preferred the thread being open a little bit longer to engage with Roden before end of day.
Oliverz144's suspects were the two most popular non-Oliverz144 wagons at the time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383156#msg8383156) despite the contradiction of Roden and TricMagic voting each other and then later on reinvents his reads to hop on a popular bandwagon (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383282#msg8383282) that also coincidentally saves himself. He swaps briefly over to BluarianKnight, I assume after Maximum Spin indicated he'd swap if Oliverz144 was willing, but Maximum Spin doesn't show up or didn't see it before Oliverz144 literally says whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383293#msg8383293) and votes Roden.
There's also that I respect Maximum Spin's reads a lot when he's willing to confidently take a stand on stuff like that and Maximum Spin read Oliverz144 as scum.So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
Ouhh... thisbis getting spicyy
jim grooveester
If that would be true, max would be alive.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 23, 2022, 12:18:55 am
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 23, 2022, 12:25:51 am
It was a self preservation. The usual d1 lynch over nothing. Given ny town alignment (just ASSUME IT if you cant believe it) the d1 wagons were t/t. This is a totally bad look.
However, mafia knows our alignments, so there could be some bad read changes yesterday. I will take a look.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 23, 2022, 03:10:02 am
No, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
If both your actions target another player, then I expect both actions would be redirected.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 23, 2022, 05:45:45 am
No, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
If both your actions target another player, then I expect both actions would be redirected.
Jim, do u agree with my scum reads? I’m pretty sure that Tric is scum, maybe Oliver too
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 23, 2022, 07:14:42 am
I feel like something is wrong... my vote staysNo, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
If both your actions target another player, then I expect both actions would be redirected.
Post by: TricMagic on June 23, 2022, 09:06:08 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 23, 2022, 10:34:18 am
No, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
If both your actions target another player, then I expect both actions would be redirected.
Jim, do u agree with my scum reads? I’m pretty sure that Tric is scum, maybe Oliver too
Not about TricMagic. I'd be very surprised if he was scum.
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2022, 10:37:52 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 23, 2022, 10:55:48 am
Post by: EuchreJack on June 23, 2022, 11:07:26 am
Probably the fact Jack hasn't said what he did last night.
Tric: I thought you knew what I did last night. Could you confirm whether or not that is the case?
Jack hasn’t said like anythingNot quite accurate, but I seem to be stuck waiting for other people. What did YOU do last night, Knightwing64?
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 23, 2022, 12:06:06 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 23, 2022, 12:36:43 pm
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2022, 12:43:50 pm
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BluarianKnight - Player has not yet posted.
EuchreJack - 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383571#msg8383571) 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383700#msg8383700) Last post was 2 hours ago.
Jim Groovester - 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516) 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383584#msg8383584) 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383585#msg8383585) 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383628#msg8383628) 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383693#msg8383693) Last post was 3 hours ago.
Knightwing64 - 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383513#msg8383513) 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383515#msg8383515) 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383639#msg8383639) 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383699#msg8383699) 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383712#msg8383712) Last post was 1 hour ago.
Lidku - 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383720#msg8383720) Last post was 1 hour ago.
Oliverz144 - 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383591#msg8383591) 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383592#msg8383592) 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383593#msg8383593) 4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383595#msg8383595) 5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383650#msg8383650) Last post was 6 hours ago.
TricMagic - 1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383510#msg8383510) 2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383520#msg8383520) 3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383669#msg8383669) Last post was 4 hours ago.
BLUE! You're getting a poking! Lidku has avoided that fate by a minute or two.
Also, side note, I fixed a bug in the LurkerTracker, so... now it works correctly! Huzzah! I'll ALSO be adding in a Vote Tracker, that can look at previous votes and the order that they were placed, with color coding for known Town, Mafia, and Neutral alignments... SoonTM. (I'll even add in a way to narrow the voters to specific targets, since this is a nice feature I saw in the Mafia Universe forums.)
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 23, 2022, 02:32:12 pm
The worst ability in the entire game. When you first clued to it in the beginning, I found that interesting such I had an ability that let me steal other's. Then when I got to use it against you, now I also have the same effect.
Heh. Serves u right for trying to steal it.
Post by: TricMagic on June 23, 2022, 04:14:21 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 23, 2022, 08:39:54 pm
Post by: webadict on June 23, 2022, 09:26:59 pm
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Jim Groovester - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383592#msg8383592),
Oliverz144 - 1 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 5 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Knightwing64, Lidku, TricMagic,
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (~24 hours remaining).
BluarianKnight still hasn't posted. I wonder if she's alright?
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 23, 2022, 09:39:24 pm
SORRY.
It's almost bedtime for me or I'd make a post, give me 8-10 hours and I'll read through and actually post.
I had a bunch of shit hit me today so.. yeah. I'm ready to continue after sleep.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 23, 2022, 09:57:03 pm
...Jack, what did you do last night that has you so cagey? I already know you didn't hit Max unless something else was going on. So why no claim?
I'm not claiming. Put on that big brain cap and think about why I would avoid claiming.
HINT: You apparently know I didn't do the kill. So use that knowledge and work through the possibilities. Please don't be stupid, Tric.
Unfortunately, I can't help you any more than this. Further prodding of me on this Day is just going to risk revealing stuff best left unsaid.
We would like a answer, not a deflection this time Jack.My answer is that I'm not claiming. Tric apparently has an ability that can confirm that I didn't kill Max, so that should be sufficient reason not to vote me.
This is the best move for town. It doesn't matter if you believe me, because this is the best move for town.
I'll claim when/if that would help town. Until then, NOPE.
Well, I'm going to vote BluarianKnight, at least until Blue posts something decent. Blue doesn't post much as scum. But Blue also doesn't post much as town. And I've been busy also, so I can sympathize. But we'll call this incentive.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 23, 2022, 10:04:28 pm
Just a few things I want answered before I make a big post.
...Well, barring everything else, Jack didn't do the kill.
So, who did what last night?
How do you know this?
Thinking it through I think Oliverz144 looks worst coming from the end of day 1. I don't think Knightwing64 hammers as scum here although I think I would've preferred the thread being open a little bit longer to engage with Roden before end of day.
Oliverz144's suspects were the two most popular non-Oliverz144 wagons at the time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383156#msg8383156) despite the contradiction of Roden and TricMagic voting each other and then later on reinvents his reads to hop on a popular bandwagon (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383282#msg8383282) that also coincidentally saves himself. He swaps briefly over to BluarianKnight, I assume after Maximum Spin indicated he'd swap if Oliverz144 was willing, but Maximum Spin doesn't show up or didn't see it before Oliverz144 literally says whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383293#msg8383293) and votes Roden.
There's also that I respect Maximum Spin's reads a lot when he's willing to confidently take a stand on stuff like that and Maximum Spin read Oliverz144 as scum.So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
I like this, especially when he then prevents Tric from using this to start a wagon;
This is stupid.
Redirecting somebody to the night kill isn't even that great evidence that they performed the night kill so stop waiting in anticipation to react to something that isn't even really a gotcha.
No, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
Give us context on this. What did you do last night?
We would like a answer, not a deflection this time Jack.
... "We".
I really, really don't like that. Why are you jumping alongside Tric when he's your 2 scumlist?
It might be a slight stretch but.. the fact you've swapped from Tric to pressing Jack makes that post rub me the wrong way.
Post more tomorrow.
FAKEEDIT: EUCHRE I WANT TO SLEEP.
FAKEEDIT 2: I thought we were talking about JIM, not JACK. Still, my point on how you labeled Tric as scum then swapped rubs me in a weird way.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 23, 2022, 10:16:04 pm
FYI, I probably won't be able to post until late tomorrow due to work, but maybe work will be less than expected. So maybe I'll be able to post more.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 23, 2022, 10:22:10 pm
I stated what I did last night like 5 posts ago bro. I did nothing. I had a ability called late arrival that only let me use my abilities after d2 started.
The worst ability in the entire game. When you first clued to it in the beginning, I found that interesting such I had an ability that let me steal other's. Then when I got to use it against you, now I also have the same effect.
So, this sounds to me like a fake claim. Roden had a copy ability, and was town. Max had a copy the dead ability, and was town. Now Lidku claims to have a copy type ability, and we're supposed to believe they are town as well!? And how convenient that Lidku can't do anything!
Post by: EuchreJack on June 23, 2022, 10:34:38 pm
TricMagic: Honestly, I'm starting to like townreading Tric, since it pisses him off. But yeah, insane active Tric is town!Tric.
Jim Groovester: Seems to be contributing. Also I think he's mistaken about Oliverz144. Insightful but stupid...ah town!Jim I've missed you.
Oliverz144: I think we're seeing newbie town mistakes instead of newbie scum mistakes.
BluarianKnight: Ninja Blue did a good job posting, and had a few good ideas. I'll upgrade to Null and re-evaluate Tomorrow with the promised Large Post.
Knightwing64: Good points from Blue about Knightwing's behavior being scummy. I wish Max was alive to tell me Knightwing's alignment.
Lidku: I think Lidku is fake claiming. I think Lidku is scum.
Post by: Lidku on June 23, 2022, 11:17:18 pm
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 12:12:45 am
Could you share some reads? I will directly follow you!
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 24, 2022, 01:28:34 am
...Well, barring everything else, Jack didn't do the kill.
So, who did what last night?
How do you know this?
The obvious implication is that TricMagic targeted EuchreJack during N1 and received results.
I stated what I did last night like 5 posts ago bro. I did nothing. I had a ability called late arrival that only let me use my abilities after d2 started.The worst ability in the entire game. When you first clued to it in the beginning, I found that interesting such I had an ability that let me steal other's. Then when I got to use it against you, now I also have the same effect.
So, this sounds to me like a fake claim. Roden had a copy ability, and was town. Max had a copy the dead ability, and was town. Now Lidku claims to have a copy type ability, and we're supposed to believe they are town as well!? And how convenient that Lidku can't do anything!
Didn't we have this conversation in SBYOR2 with the three miller claims?
You're suspecting Lidku because you're second guessing woobadooba. Would prepare for wubble make it double reeeeeeeeeeally never make a nine player game with three roles with similar abilities, considering that team rocket blasts off at the speed of light seems to despise mechanically solving the game and setup based reasoning?
Oliverz144: I think we're seeing newbie town mistakes instead of newbie scum mistakes.
Oliverz144 stated he's not new to mafia and knows enough terminology to demonstrate his experience.
Lidku: I think Lidku is fake claiming. I think Lidku is scum.
You agreed with me on Day 1 about Lidku being town. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382302#msg8382302) Is his claim really that far out of field for you that you've flipped your opinion about him?
Please, jim grooveester, ive seen very few content from you.
Could you share some reads? I will directly follow you!
Why would you want to follow me when I want to lynch you?
Also Day 2 has had terrible development until essentially the last few hours when everybody finally posted.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 01:37:48 am
Day 2 has been very uninteresting so far.I will follow with ny own reads after you post yours...Well, barring everything else, Jack didn't do the kill.
So, who did what last night?
How do you know this?
The obvious implication is that TricMagic targeted EuchreJack during N1 and received results.I stated what I did last night like 5 posts ago bro. I did nothing. I had a ability called late arrival that only let me use my abilities after d2 started.The worst ability in the entire game. When you first clued to it in the beginning, I found that interesting such I had an ability that let me steal other's. Then when I got to use it against you, now I also have the same effect.
So, this sounds to me like a fake claim. Roden had a copy ability, and was town. Max had a copy the dead ability, and was town. Now Lidku claims to have a copy type ability, and we're supposed to believe they are town as well!? And how convenient that Lidku can't do anything!
Didn't we have this conversation in SBYOR2 with the three miller claims?
You're suspecting Lidku because you're second guessing woobadooba. Would prepare for wubble make it double reeeeeeeeeeally never make a nine player game with three roles with similar abilities, considering that team rocket blasts off at the speed of light seems to despise mechanically solving the game and setup based reasoning?Oliverz144: I think we're seeing newbie town mistakes instead of newbie scum mistakes.
Oliverz144 stated he's not new to mafia and knows enough terminology to demonstrate his experience.Lidku: I think Lidku is fake claiming. I think Lidku is scum.
You agreed with me on Day 1 about Lidku being town. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382302#msg8382302) Is his claim really that far out of field for you that you've flipped your opinion about him?Please, jim grooveester, ive seen very few content from you.
Could you share some reads? I will directly follow you!
Why would you want to follow me when I want to lynch you?
Also Day 2 has had terrible development until essentially the last few hours when everybody finally posted.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 24, 2022, 03:20:51 am
I'm tired. I'll do it tomorrow.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 05:08:14 am
Oh, that's what you mean.Please do it in the next 8h. Thank you!!!!
I'm tired. I'll do it tomorrow.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 24, 2022, 06:21:55 am
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 07:23:23 am
I think that knightwing is town for this.@Max: Is Knightwing scum? I never figured out how to use the secret decoder ring to detect Knightwing's alignment.So far he seems like he's actually trying. Maybe not MUCH, but I'd definitely say the secret decoder ring isn't giving me any strong scum signal. That said, I'm not convinced of the continuing utility of that ring now that he knows the secret and can just stop doing it.
I have not read the rest of the thread yet.
Mafia wouldnt kill maximum if he townreads one of their scummers.
So far i think the team is tric/jack, with jim maybe somewhere in there
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 08:19:52 am
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 08:40:38 am
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 24, 2022, 09:49:39 am
... EuchreJack. You should be aware you were targeted. So, who exactly did you act upon? If it's anything other than the one I redirected you to, that means you're hiding something. If it is the one I redirected you to, then you're cleared of the kill. That's pretty simple logic, unless you have a reason not to state who you targeted last night.
Nope.
You did nothing last night, Tric.
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 09:53:40 am
? What exactly are you talking about Blue?... EuchreJack. You should be aware you were targeted. So, who exactly did you act upon? If it's anything other than the one I redirected you to, that means you're hiding something. If it is the one I redirected you to, then you're cleared of the kill. That's pretty simple logic, unless you have a reason not to state who you targeted last night.
Nope.
You did nothing last night, Tric.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 24, 2022, 10:01:20 am
? What exactly are you talking about Blue?... EuchreJack. You should be aware you were targeted. So, who exactly did you act upon? If it's anything other than the one I redirected you to, that means you're hiding something. If it is the one I redirected you to, then you're cleared of the kill. That's pretty simple logic, unless you have a reason not to state who you targeted last night.
Nope.
You did nothing last night, Tric.
I roleblocked you.
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 10:22:18 am
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 10:36:39 am
... Bit odd, that action is {P4}, but it was successful.
Block is priority 3, redirect is priority 4, so you were blocked w/no redirect, if we believe Blue. Which I'm inclined to do.
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 11:06:16 am
... Bit odd, that action is {P4}, but it was successful.
Block is priority 3, redirect is priority 4, so you were blocked w/no redirect, if we believe Blue. Which I'm inclined to do.
K... TricMagic
So, by Blue's case, I'm lying right? Lynch all liers.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 24, 2022, 11:09:03 am
TricMagic
Post by: Mamobo on June 24, 2022, 11:19:05 am
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TricMagic - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383975#msg8383975), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383977#msg8383977),
Jim Groovester - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383592#msg8383592),
Lidku - 1 - EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383822#msg8383822),
Oliverz144 - 1 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - BluarianKnight, Lidku,
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (10 hours and 41 minutes remaining.)
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 11:25:53 am
Um, okay.
TricMagic
You rather like to play dangerously, huh. But note this, by either of our admissions, I didn't perform the kill last night. Either I redirected Jack to Oliver, or I was blocked.
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 11:27:32 am
For the record, I have 3 1-shots that do different things. A Redirect, a Bus, and a Super Protect.
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 11:29:38 am
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 11:35:56 am
Lynch all Liers is very much in effect. So I'm thunderdoming them. Ready for the lightning BlueKnight?
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 24, 2022, 11:47:44 am
I guess
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 11:54:49 am
Both BluarianKnight and EuchreJack are acting suspicious.
Fair regarding me. I'm refusing to answer questions, so that does look suspicious.
But...I CAN NOT tell you anything else. TODAY
In LYLO, I can probably reveal more, for whatever that is worth.
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 12:00:41 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 12:17:32 pm
Why not today? We've been pretty active on the site in general today. Kinda suspect. What's your response toward TricMagic claiming you're Mafia along with BluarianKnight.
Your homework assignment is to go look at all the roles on MafiaWiki (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Portal:Roles).
You will see several roles where the optimal play is to NOT claim. That is what I'm doing. Wish I could help you, but I need the WIFOM.
Why are you SO eager to know my role?
Tric is being Tric. My head hurts to try to figure out the logical fallacies that led Tric to that conclusion.
I mean, Tric apparently KNOWS that he redirected me and KNOWS that I did not do the kill. Yet I am suspected of being with Blue because Blue claims to have blocked Tric's redirect of my action onto a living player?
Hey, how come nobody has asked Oliverz144 what their action was?
Oliverz144
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 12:24:17 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 12:25:45 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 12:59:50 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 01:02:08 pm
Though if it is indeed found that BluarianKnight is Mafia, then EuchreJack would become the next prime suspect, due to previous suspicions of being in a team with BluarianKnight.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 01:09:47 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 01:15:02 pm
@Blue: WHY did you roleblock Tric?It isn't quite a question of why Jack. One of us is lying here, yeah? So, why is Blue claiming to have roleblocked me?
Post by: webadict on June 24, 2022, 01:26:23 pm
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Oliverz144 - 2 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384018#msg8384018),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384039#msg8384039),
Jim Groovester - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383592#msg8383592),
TricMagic - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383975#msg8383975),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - BluarianKnight, Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384000#msg8384000),
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (8 hours and 34 minutes remaining.)
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 01:28:23 pm
To note, either vote me out, or vote blue out. One of us is lying, the other is telling the truth.
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 01:52:25 pm
Jim Groovester & Euchrejack: Any reason why you guys might still suspect Oliverz144? I'm just inquisitive right now at the moment.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 24, 2022, 02:11:03 pm
To answer why I blocked him? I felt Oliver was maybe newbie town, Rodem was probably going to get targeted already, and Tric was my second pick for dangerous Mafia.
Tric wouldn't know he was blocked as much ability doesn't inform the blocked person.
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 02:26:43 pm
I can respond in an hour.
To answer why I blocked him? I felt Oliver was maybe newbie town, Rodem was probably going to get targeted already, and Tric was my second pick for dangerous Mafia.
Tric wouldn't know he was blocked as much ability doesn't inform the blocked person.
... Shouldn't you have led with that? Also, that means Jack is not absolved of guilt, so why do late to bring it up?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 24, 2022, 02:50:48 pm
Um, okay.
TricMagic
You rather like to play dangerously, huh. But note this, by either of our admissions, I didn't perform the kill last night. Either I redirected Jack to Oliver, or I was blocked.
Lynch all Liers is very much in effect. So I'm thunderdoming them. Ready for the lightning BlueKnight?
I DIDN'T DO THE KILL
SO I'M GOING TO DECLARE A THUNDERDOME BETWEEN ME AND BLUARIANKNIGHT
AND I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST MYSELF IN THE THUNDERDOME I DECLARED JUST NOW BETWEEN ME AND BLUARIANKNIGHT
THE BIGGEST BRAINIEST ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE IQ PLAYS RIGHT HERE
And Roleblock is very much a mafia ability.
Put simply, either I am lying, or Blue is lying. There isn't any chance of both of us telling the truth.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THIS TRICMAGIC
ARE YOU REALLY SURE
HOW MANY BYORS HAS TOWN LOST BECAUSE OF DUMB ASSUMPTIONS LIKE THIS
ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT IN A GAME WHERE EVERYBODY HAS A ROLE AND IN A GAME SERIES WHERE THE MODERATOR GENERATES ROLES WITH COUNTLESS EXCEPTIONS TO TRADITIONAL ABILITY USAGE THAT THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR YOURS AND BLUARIANKNIGHT'S NIGHT ACTIONS HAS TO BE THAT ONE OF YOU IS SCUM
AND ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO STAKE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME ON THIS
I think that knightwing is town for this.@Max: Is Knightwing scum? I never figured out how to use the secret decoder ring to detect Knightwing's alignment.So far he seems like he's actually trying. Maybe not MUCH, but I'd definitely say the secret decoder ring isn't giving me any strong scum signal. That said, I'm not convinced of the continuing utility of that ring now that he knows the secret and can just stop doing it.
I have not read the rest of the thread yet.
Mafia wouldnt kill maximum if he townreads one of their scummers.
So far i think the team is tric/jack, with jim maybe somewhere in there
Given your reads I find it strange that you're voting me.
Also I don't see how a TricMagic/EuchreJack team makes sense given that TricMagic had it out for EuchreJack during Day 1.
To answer why I blocked him? I felt Oliver was maybe newbie town, Rodem was probably going to get targeted already, and Tric was my second pick for dangerous Mafia.
Tric wouldn't know he was blocked as much ability doesn't inform the blocked person.
This is strange; Oliverz144 was your end of day vote. Apparently you dropped that suspicion going into N1 for some reason.
Also Roden was dead going into N1 so it's weird that he was a potential target for you.
Reads:
Oliverz144 - scummy for the reasons I mentioned earlier in the day; also is proposing another contradictory scum team
BluarianKnight - Day 1 effort was fine but Day 2 has been lackluster; the few expressed opinions during Day 2 are strange given what BK expressed during D1
EuchreJack - bizarre reads that are picked up and then dropped just as quickly, as usual; generally it feels like he's a weaker, less present version of his normal self
Knightwing64 - still reading Knightwing64 as town; has yet to take a strong stand during Day 2
Lidku - I still think Lidku is more likely town than not but their Day 2 play is generally weak consisting mostly of taking cues from others
TricMagic - still my strongest town read but thunderdoming is fucking stupid
Jim's read on every player: their day 2 sucks
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 03:20:37 pm
Well with this current status quo, only Oliverz144 is going to be voted out.
Jim Groovester & Euchrejack: Any reason why you guys might still suspect Oliverz144? I'm just inquisitive right now at the moment.
Good question!
As for me, I'm voting Oliverz144 because they didn't claim their Day 2 action. Yes, this is hypocritical because I also did not claim my Day 2 action.
But Oliverz144 was not even ASKED for their Day 2 action. I at least have been adamant that I will not be claiming Day 2.
But Oliverz144 has basically been playing extremely stupid, so I guess I can UNVOTE.
Lidku: I think Lidku is fake claiming. I think Lidku is scum.
You agreed with me on Day 1 about Lidku being town. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8382302#msg8382302) Is his claim really that far out of field for you that you've flipped your opinion about him?
Lidku is playing quite better today, to the point that I had honestly forgot the whole "too newbie to be scum" read. I was also trying to gauge Lidku's reaction.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 03:32:19 pm
Vote Count
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Oliverz144 - 2 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516),EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384018#msg8384018),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384039#msg8384039),
Jim Groovester - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383592#msg8383592),
TricMagic - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383975#msg8383975),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 3 - BluarianKnight, Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384000#msg8384000), EuchreJack (see above)
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT
This voting catches no scum.
Could the Knights please vote? BluarianKnight typically waits to vote, and Knightwing64 typically needs prodding to vote. So this is Prodding Time!
Jim & Oliverz seem to be cross-voting. If this wasn't their first game together, I'd say they just don't like each other. Apparently nobody agrees with either of them.
Tric: STOP VOTING YOURSELF. If you think Blue is scum, fucking vote Blue!
Lidku is being sensible. Don't want to punish that behavior, since it seems to be in short supply. In fact, I'll follow Lidku's lead and vote BluarianKnight.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 24, 2022, 03:38:51 pm
@Blue: WHY did you roleblock Tric?
Honestly? end of Day 1, he was the person I suspected the most of doing a night kill.
Jim is also calling me out rightfully - I'll admit that I have been working completely on a false belief that JIM was the one being questioned and pointed at, not JACK. I haven't been putting in the effort I was the previous day, and I'd like to change that.
To fix that, I'm putting my vote into Oliverz144.
I'm dropping Tric as, on reflection, this sort of behavior is 100% something Tric does as town. Hell, I've used this sort of 'dig in heels' attitude to beat him as mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178123.msg8252119#msg8252119) - so I'm bumping him up to Neutral.
But Oliver? His behavior has been bugging me - and it should be called out.
Thinking it through I think Oliverz144 looks worst coming from the end of day 1. I don't think Knightwing64 hammers as scum here although I think I would've preferred the thread being open a little bit longer to engage with Roden before end of day.
Oliverz144's suspects were the two most popular non-Oliverz144 wagons at the time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383156#msg8383156) despite the contradiction of Roden and TricMagic voting each other and then later on reinvents his reads to hop on a popular bandwagon (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383282#msg8383282) that also coincidentally saves himself. He swaps briefly over to BluarianKnight, I assume after Maximum Spin indicated he'd swap if Oliverz144 was willing, but Maximum Spin doesn't show up or didn't see it before Oliverz144 literally says whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383293#msg8383293) and votes Roden.
There's also that I respect Maximum Spin's reads a lot when he's willing to confidently take a stand on stuff like that and Maximum Spin read Oliverz144 as scum.So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
Jim calls out Oliver; his response is to vote back against him.
Ouhh... thisbis getting spicyy
jim grooveester
If that would be true, max would be alive.
Then going back on it, and claiming he was confused?
No, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
Oliver has shown he's capable, so this feels like a cop out.
Also - he's just.. not answering the question of what he did last night?
That needs an answer from me before I can unvote him.
Also - on the topic of Lidku..
I'm just going to vote BluarianKnight. If this vote against Blue catches on, and they get lynched, but it was discovered that they were actually Town; we'll know it is in fact TricMagic who was scum all along.
This doesn't seem like a good strategy?
This isn't 'I think it's BK', it's 'BK is a wagon and maybe if she's town then it's Tric' which is a fucking stretch. If you have a reason for me being scum, can you offer it?
I'm not scum at all. I'm regular Beginner Mafia Citizenry. I only revealed I had a copy ability because other people started revealing theirs, and I wanted to lament how bad Knightwing64's ability was.
Also - saying 'regular citizenry' just kinda bugs me. Maybe it's just my view, but saying 'I'm citizen/regular person!' is a beginner scum tell. He's not someone I'd vote right now, but he's leaning scum for me - at least until he can toss me an answer for why.
Tric- Did you get a confirmation on your action's success? Did you get any information?
I did block you - and got a success on it back from it. I suspect either that the action 'went through' but didn't work for you, or otherwise I was blocked from doing my block.
...Jack, what did you do last night that has you so cagey? I already know you didn't hit Max unless something else was going on. So why no claim?
Jack - What did you do last night?
Also, what's changed from 'ninja blue did a good job, pushing to null' to bumping me up to your vote?
I'll add more in a bit, but I wanna get this out.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 24, 2022, 03:49:55 pm
Eh, Jim is normally smart and I haven’t really sus’d him so I’ll give it a shot
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 03:54:05 pm
...Jack, what did you do last night that has you so cagey? I already know you didn't hit Max unless something else was going on. So why no claim?
Jack - What did you do last night?
Also, what's changed from 'ninja blue did a good job, pushing to null' to bumping me up to your vote?
I'll add more in a bit, but I wanna get this out.
I can respond in an hour.
To answer why I blocked him? I felt Oliver was maybe newbie town, Rodem was probably going to get targeted already, and Tric was my second pick for dangerous Mafia.
Tric wouldn't know he was blocked as much ability doesn't inform the blocked person.
This response was garbage. As Jim mentioned, Roden was already dead.
Mafia roleblocker also fucks with my plan.
I also disagree with the whole "Oliverz is a good player". Oliverz is a terrible player that has apparently read up on mafia, and thus knows terms, but doesn't seem familiar with how to actually play a game of forum mafia.
Ninja Knightwing64: Ok, now we got some good voting! I'd like to see Oliverz respond.
Post by: Mamobo on June 24, 2022, 04:01:14 pm
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Oliverz144 - 3 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384112#msg8384112), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384116#msg8384116),
BluarianKnight - 2 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384039#msg8384039), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384109#msg8384109),
Jim Groovester - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383592#msg8383592),
TricMagic - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383975#msg8383975),
EuchreJack - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 0 -
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (5 hours and 59 minutes remaining.)
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:08:09 pm
Dont wait for this until lylo. You are mafia!Both BluarianKnight and EuchreJack are acting suspicious.
Fair regarding me. I'm refusing to answer questions, so that does look suspicious.
But...I CAN NOT tell you anything else. TODAY
In LYLO, I can probably reveal more, for whatever that is worth.
euchreJack
Post by: TricMagic on June 24, 2022, 04:09:32 pm
Dont wait for this until lylo. You are mafia!Both BluarianKnight and EuchreJack are acting suspicious.
Fair regarding me. I'm refusing to answer questions, so that does look suspicious.
But...I CAN NOT tell you anything else. TODAY
In LYLO, I can probably reveal more, for whatever that is worth.
euchreJack
??? Why put him in hammer range if you want the info Oliver?
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:10:04 pm
Ha! Knew this was gonna happen. Vote me for some random reason and stay there until eod. Worked yesterday, works today aswell!Why not today? We've been pretty active on the site in general today. Kinda suspect. What's your response toward TricMagic claiming you're Mafia along with BluarianKnight.
Your homework assignment is to go look at all the roles on MafiaWiki (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Portal:Roles).
You will see several roles where the optimal play is to NOT claim. That is what I'm doing. Wish I could help you, but I need the WIFOM.
Why are you SO eager to know my role?
Tric is being Tric. My head hurts to try to figure out the logical fallacies that led Tric to that conclusion.
I mean, Tric apparently KNOWS that he redirected me and KNOWS that I did not do the kill. Yet I am suspected of being with Blue because Blue claims to have blocked Tric's redirect of my action onto a living player?
Hey, how come nobody has asked Oliverz144 what their action was?
Oliverz144
I wanted to claim, actually, but... let me read the thread fully. im waiting for something specific, that i requested.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:20:28 pm
EuchreJack please answer my questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383843#msg8383843).GREAT! THANK you for the spew.Um, okay.
TricMagic
You rather like to play dangerously, huh. But note this, by either of our admissions, I didn't perform the kill last night. Either I redirected Jack to Oliver, or I was blocked.Lynch all Liers is very much in effect. So I'm thunderdoming them. Ready for the lightning BlueKnight?
I DIDN'T DO THE KILL
SO I'M GOING TO DECLARE A THUNDERDOME BETWEEN ME AND BLUARIANKNIGHT
AND I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST MYSELF IN THE THUNDERDOME I DECLARED JUST NOW BETWEEN ME AND BLUARIANKNIGHT
THE BIGGEST BRAINIEST ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE IQ PLAYS RIGHT HEREAnd Roleblock is very much a mafia ability.Put simply, either I am lying, or Blue is lying. There isn't any chance of both of us telling the truth.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THIS TRICMAGIC
ARE YOU REALLY SURE
HOW MANY BYORS HAS TOWN LOST BECAUSE OF DUMB ASSUMPTIONS LIKE THIS
ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT IN A GAME WHERE EVERYBODY HAS A ROLE AND IN A GAME SERIES WHERE THE MODERATOR GENERATES ROLES WITH COUNTLESS EXCEPTIONS TO TRADITIONAL ABILITY USAGE THAT THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR YOURS AND BLUARIANKNIGHT'S NIGHT ACTIONS HAS TO BE THAT ONE OF YOU IS SCUM
AND ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO STAKE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME ON THISI think that knightwing is town for this.@Max: Is Knightwing scum? I never figured out how to use the secret decoder ring to detect Knightwing's alignment.So far he seems like he's actually trying. Maybe not MUCH, but I'd definitely say the secret decoder ring isn't giving me any strong scum signal. That said, I'm not convinced of the continuing utility of that ring now that he knows the secret and can just stop doing it.
I have not read the rest of the thread yet.
Mafia wouldnt kill maximum if he townreads one of their scummers.
So far i think the team is tric/jack, with jim maybe somewhere in there
Given your reads I find it strange that you're voting me.
Also I don't see how a TricMagic/EuchreJack team makes sense given that TricMagic had it out for EuchreJack during Day 1.To answer why I blocked him? I felt Oliver was maybe newbie town, Rodem was probably going to get targeted already, and Tric was my second pick for dangerous Mafia.
Tric wouldn't know he was blocked as much ability doesn't inform the blocked person.
This is strange; Oliverz144 was your end of day vote. Apparently you dropped that suspicion going into N1 for some reason.
Also Roden was dead going into N1 so it's weird that he was a potential target for you.
Reads:
Oliverz144 - scummy for the reasons I mentioned earlier in the day; also is proposing another contradictory scum team
BluarianKnight - Day 1 effort was fine but Day 2 has been lackluster; the few expressed opinions during Day 2 are strange given what BK expressed during D1
EuchreJack - bizarre reads that are picked up and then dropped just as quickly, as usual; generally it feels like he's a weaker, less present version of his normal self
Knightwing64 - still reading Knightwing64 as town; has yet to take a strong stand during Day 2
Lidku - I still think Lidku is more likely town than not but their Day 2 play is generally weak consisting mostly of taking cues from others
TricMagic - still my strongest town read but thunderdoming is fucking stupid
Jim's read on every player: their day 2 sucks
I submitted balance as my role. Ha, ha!
I have 2 actions! Watch or track, AND Weak heal, that confirmedly (explicitly stated ik role description) blocks the mafia nk the next night i target. So if i prot player 1 n1, he will be protected n2.
I watched lidku, as i suspected them to be the nk, and saved lidku (aswell LOL)
2 things: both my actions were successful
2nd thing: i got a "nobody visited your target" as feedback.
IF i would have been redirected, to max spin, i would have known who killed max.
So ergo there are 3 options:
Mafia has a ninja
Jim grooveester is lying
Somebody interferred with jims action.
÷=====
I think the second option is the likelier in my honest opinion.
Lets look what your thoughts are!
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 24, 2022, 04:24:36 pm
To fix that, I'm putting my vote into Oliverz144.
Alright, you're back onto Oliverz144, but why did you say during N1 you thought they were newbie town?
Also - he's just.. not answering the question of what he did last night?
WHY IS NOBODY LISTENING TO ME ABOUT WHY FOCUSING ON ROLES AND NIGHT RESULTS IS A BAD IDEA
I also disagree with the whole "Oliverz is a good player". Oliverz is a terrible player that has apparently read up on mafia, and thus knows terms, but doesn't seem familiar with how to actually play a game of forum mafia.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oliverz144 has said he's played mafia before, he's not a beginner. New to here but not the game in general.
??? Why put him in hammer range if you want the info Oliver?
But EuchreJack isn't in hammer range?
GREAT! THANK you for the spew.
I submitted balance as my role. Ha, ha!
I have 2 actions! Watch or track, AND Weak heal, that confirmedly (explicitly stated ik role description) blocks the mafia nk the next night i target. So if i prot player 1 n1, he will be protected n2.
I watched lidku, as i suspected them to be the nk, and saved lidku (aswell LOL)
2 things: both my actions were successful
2nd thing: i got a "nobody visited your target" as feedback.
IF i would have been redirected, to max spin, i would have known who killed max.
So ergo there are 3 options:
Mafia has a ninja
Jim grooveester is lying
Somebody interferred with jims action.
÷=====
I think the second option is the likelier in my honest opinion.
Lets look what your thoughts are!
Options 1 and 3 are not even remotely unlikely in this game type.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 24, 2022, 04:28:57 pm
jim having an aneuryism
1. Because they're acting so erratically that I felt that it had to be newbie town. After reviewing my previous reasons for voting them, as well as what they've done today, and the comments others have made, made me realize I was stupid.
2. Because he hadn't answered yet? I was curious.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:36:28 pm
Look:@Blue: WHY did you roleblock Tric?
Honestly? end of Day 1, he was the person I suspected the most of doing a night kill.
Jim is also calling me out rightfully - I'll admit that I have been working completely on a false belief that JIM was the one being questioned and pointed at, not JACK. I haven't been putting in the effort I was the previous day, and I'd like to change that.
To fix that, I'm putting my vote into Oliverz144.
I'm dropping Tric as, on reflection, this sort of behavior is 100% something Tric does as town. Hell, I've used this sort of 'dig in heels' attitude to beat him as mafia (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178123.msg8252119#msg8252119) - so I'm bumping him up to Neutral.
But Oliver? His behavior has been bugging me - and it should be called out.Thinking it through I think Oliverz144 looks worst coming from the end of day 1. I don't think Knightwing64 hammers as scum here although I think I would've preferred the thread being open a little bit longer to engage with Roden before end of day.
Oliverz144's suspects were the two most popular non-Oliverz144 wagons at the time (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383156#msg8383156) despite the contradiction of Roden and TricMagic voting each other and then later on reinvents his reads to hop on a popular bandwagon (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383282#msg8383282) that also coincidentally saves himself. He swaps briefly over to BluarianKnight, I assume after Maximum Spin indicated he'd swap if Oliverz144 was willing, but Maximum Spin doesn't show up or didn't see it before Oliverz144 literally says whatever (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383293#msg8383293) and votes Roden.
There's also that I respect Maximum Spin's reads a lot when he's willing to confidently take a stand on stuff like that and Maximum Spin read Oliverz144 as scum.So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
Jim calls out Oliver; his response is to vote back against him.Ouhh... thisbis getting spicyy
jim grooveester
If that would be true, max would be alive.
Then going back on it, and claiming he was confused?No, nvm, he wouldnt. My bad.
Tell me more about your redirection, jim. What does it do if somebody has 2 actions?
Oliver has shown he's capable, so this feels like a cop out.
Also - he's just.. not answering the question of what he did last night?
That needs an answer from me before I can unvote him.
Also - on the topic of Lidku..I'm just going to vote BluarianKnight. If this vote against Blue catches on, and they get lynched, but it was discovered that they were actually Town; we'll know it is in fact TricMagic who was scum all along.
This doesn't seem like a good strategy?
This isn't 'I think it's BK', it's 'BK is a wagon and maybe if she's town then it's Tric' which is a fucking stretch. If you have a reason for me being scum, can you offer it?I'm not scum at all. I'm regular Beginner Mafia Citizenry. I only revealed I had a copy ability because other people started revealing theirs, and I wanted to lament how bad Knightwing64's ability was.
Also - saying 'regular citizenry' just kinda bugs me. Maybe it's just my view, but saying 'I'm citizen/regular person!' is a beginner scum tell. He's not someone I'd vote right now, but he's leaning scum for me - at least until he can toss me an answer for why.
Tric- Did you get a confirmation on your action's success? Did you get any information?
I did block you - and got a success on it back from it. I suspect either that the action 'went through' but didn't work for you, or otherwise I was blocked from doing my block....Jack, what did you do last night that has you so cagey? I already know you didn't hit Max unless something else was going on. So why no claim?
Jack - What did you do last night?
Also, what's changed from 'ninja blue did a good job, pushing to null' to bumping me up to your vote?
I'll add more in a bit, but I wanna get this out.
If im voted out today, and there is no wonder, you will go into lylo tomorrow, with no plan at all.
However, if i go into lylo, i will be the low hanging fruit (lhf), the lynchbait, i will be the mislim tomorrow: and we will lose.
So you need to decide NOW:
EITHER YOU VOTE ME OUT TODAY, OR NEVER! THERE IS NO INBETWEEN, DONT LET ME GO INTO LYLO IF YOU ARE THINKING OF VOTING ME, YOU WILL BE MANIPULATED INTO VOTING ME AND I WONT HAVE A CHANCE
As for my reads, im torn apart.
Euchre has very bad day play today, and also had strange sayings yesterday, such as "im so bad usually, i stay alive until endgame, because my reads are bad and mafia doesnt fear me"
This is PREPARING for an excuse into the later days, on why he is still alive.
Jim had not That bad dayplay, actually pretty good, pointed out some good things (such as bk first scumreading me d1, thinking n1 that im a bad townie, and now voting me eod2 again, lol)
However there is that one action contradiction i already stated, and well.... usually no mech thunderdomes should be carried into lylo, thats what i learned...
However, of course, this is a byor, and i pointed out two alternate explainations... i think he aint the lynch today, maybe??
King, well.... the great "i didnt act yet, i have a bad role" ... its not possible to prove nor deny that, and his dayplay today was pretty meh, so lets wait on what he will say and claim of his role tomorrow... i dont like that, but its the best choice available.
Lidku: prob town, has some scum equity ("i copied kings role") but... i dont want to tinfoil into that, the game is hard enough
Tric... i had him as sr, JUST because he has scum equity with euchre as a team, AND because the 101 of mafia says, that you should ALWAYS lynch the d1 counterwagon (and no, thats not me, shh ;))) i dont think he should go... although redirection role is scummy.. whatever.
Blue had a big read flip flop, and many scumpaint him for that. BUT: only townies have mind changes, real mindchanges in their reads. Scum is always simulating. Thinking im not roleblock worth... its probably acceptable.
Ergo: lynch euchre, and go with a bunch of lhf including me into lylo...
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P.s.: yes im thinking that our lynch today will hit town, sadly... sorry for that, but im not that strong of a believer into our reads... especially not re: my reads
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:40:04 pm
Lol...Jack, what did you do last night that has you so cagey? I already know you didn't hit Max unless something else was going on. So why no claim?
Jack - What did you do last night?
Also, what's changed from 'ninja blue did a good job, pushing to null' to bumping me up to your vote?
I'll add more in a bit, but I wanna get this out.I can respond in an hour.
To answer why I blocked him? I felt Oliver was maybe newbie town, Rodem was probably going to get targeted already, and Tric was my second pick for dangerous Mafia.
Tric wouldn't know he was blocked as much ability doesn't inform the blocked person.
This response was garbage. As Jim mentioned, Roden was already dead.
Mafia roleblocker also fucks with my plan.
I also disagree with the whole "Oliverz is a good player". Oliverz is a terrible player that has apparently read up on mafia, and thus knows terms, but doesn't seem familiar with how to actually play a game of forum mafia.
Ninja Knightwing64: Ok, now we got some good voting! I'd like to see Oliverz respond.
Yes i suck. I know the theory but thats it.
I read and analysed great games, played even more myself, but my training yielded small results so far.
Whatever, atleast i have fun, most of the time... until im called an asshole ;^(
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:40:56 pm
i didnt know hes in hammer range.Dont wait for this until lylo. You are mafia!Both BluarianKnight and EuchreJack are acting suspicious.
Fair regarding me. I'm refusing to answer questions, so that does look suspicious.
But...I CAN NOT tell you anything else. TODAY
In LYLO, I can probably reveal more, for whatever that is worth.
euchreJack
??? Why put him in hammer range if you want the info Oliver?
Now i know im at l-1 myself, thanks to him. I will call it unforeseen karma
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 04:46:11 pm
You don't seem capable of properly quoting or linking. For example, I'd prefer if you actually quoted what I said, rather than paraphrasing stuff I don't remember saying.
I'm not sure why I'm not just voting you myself.
Post by: Lidku on June 24, 2022, 04:46:36 pm
Quote from: Oliverz144
GREAT! THANK you for the spew.
I submitted balance as my role. Ha, ha!
I have 2 actions! Watch or track, AND Weak heal, that confirmedly (explicitly stated ik role description) blocks the mafia nk the next night i target. So if i prot player 1 n1, he will be protected n2.
I watched lidku, as i suspected them to be the nk, and saved lidku (aswell LOL)
2 things: both my actions were successful
2nd thing: i got a "nobody visited your target" as feedback.
IF i would have been redirected, to max spin, i would have known who killed max.
So ergo there are 3 options:
Mafia has a ninja
Jim grooveester is lying
Somebody interferred with jims action.
÷=====
I think the second option is the likelier in my honest opinion.
Lets look what your thoughts are!
Given the fact of this detailed response and Oliver mentioning he saved me, makes me trust him even more and suspect him LEAST as being part of the Mafia.
I recommend everyone who is honestly not scum to reconsolidate their votes someplace else.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 04:48:57 pm
Quote from: Oliverz144GREAT! THANK you for the spew.
I submitted balance as my role. Ha, ha!
I have 2 actions! Watch or track, AND Weak heal, that confirmedly (explicitly stated ik role description) blocks the mafia nk the next night i target. So if i prot player 1 n1, he will be protected n2.
I watched lidku, as i suspected them to be the nk, and saved lidku (aswell LOL)
2 things: both my actions were successful
2nd thing: i got a "nobody visited your target" as feedback.
IF i would have been redirected, to max spin, i would have known who killed max.
So ergo there are 3 options:
Mafia has a ninja
Jim grooveester is lying
Somebody interferred with jims action.
÷=====
I think the second option is the likelier in my honest opinion.
Lets look what your thoughts are!
Given the fact of this detailed response and Oliver mentioning he saved me, makes me trust him even more and suspect him LEAST as being part of the Mafia.
I recommend everyone who is honestly not scum to reconsolidate their votes someplace else.
...you do know that Mafia aren't required to tell the truth, right?
But if you believe Oliver, ok that is fair.
Post by: Oliverz144 on June 24, 2022, 04:53:15 pm
That’s…. a weird power.Sorry euchre, you are indeed not the author
What the crap kind of name did you give Web?
I wouldn’t recommend choosing me, normally I’m such a non threat that mafia knows they can keep me alive for awhile.
Other then that, I don’t really know. We’ll just have to wait till more people start posting.
I still scumread you ;)
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 04:54:54 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 24, 2022, 05:08:15 pm
Post by: webadict on June 24, 2022, 05:19:58 pm
"Well, who was it?" Webley asks.
Jim Groovester points the finger, followed by BluarianKnight, Knightwing64, and EuchreJack at Oliverz144. "It's definitely the new guy!"
"Wait, boss, don't do this! I didn't do it!" Oliverz144 pleads. "It isn't like that, I need this job for parole!"
But Webley has none of it, terminating them on the spot. As the new guy sobs, opening their locker, you find... nothing.
"Well, I'm very disappointed in all of you tonight. I'm on the cusp of just firing all of you if you can't find those sandwich thieves. I CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW!"
You leave the building, ready to head to return to work in the morning.
Vote Count
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Oliverz144 - 4 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383516#msg8383516), BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384112#msg8384112), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384116#msg8384116), EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384152#msg8384152),
BluarianKnight - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384039#msg8384039),
EuchreJack - 1 - Oliverz144* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384121#msg8384121),
TricMagic - 1 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8383975#msg8383975),
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Knightwing64 - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 0 -
4 to Hammer. Day ends on June 24, 2022 at 22:00 CDT (4 hours and 49 minutes remaining.)
Oliverz144 has been chosen for execution.
Oliverz144 was Balance (Town).
It is now Night. Please submit your Actions within 24 hours.
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Oliverz144
Role Name: Balance
Alignment: Town
Abilities:
(Auto) Balancing Act: Equality is a sacred writ. You must perform two different Actions at Night on different Players or perform no Action. You cannot target the same Players as the previous Night.
{P6} (Night) Balance In All Things [target/self]: A weaker protection that cannot be bypassed. The Mafiakill cannot be used on the target (or yourself) on the following Night. This does not stop the Mafiakill during this Night.
Tags: Protect
{P10} (Night) Introspection [target/self]: A choice to see within yourself or in others. Choose One: Receive who the target performs their Action(s) on; OR receive who performed Actions on the target. You cannot Choose the same Choice as the previous Night.
Tags: Track, Watch
Post by: webadict on June 25, 2022, 04:34:55 pm
You all, again, try to sneak out before the inevitable meeting, but it’s to no avail, and you’re in the meeting room again.
“Listen,” Webley says, contemplating. “If I don’t find one of those sandwich thieves literally Tonight, I’m burning this fucking store to the ground. I want my sandwiches back!”
The crew listens and nods, but only barely pays attention. At this point, they’re as worn out as the rest.
“$100.” Webley slams a crisp bill onto the table.
And just like that, they get back to work.
Knightwing64 has died.
Knightwing64 was Gremmy Thoumeaux (Town).
Vote Count
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BluarianKnight - 0 -
EuchreJack - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 5 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Lidku, TricMagic,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 28, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~75 hours remaining).
It is now Day.
It is now Eliminate or Lose. Votes placed cannot be removed. Please be 100% sure before placing votes, or you may lose immediately.
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Knightwing64
Role Name: Gremmy Thoumeaux
Alignment: Town
Abilities:
{PT} (1-Shot, Auto) Life Creation: Create life to protect life. You will revive once from Kill Actions performed on you. This is not shown publicly. You are notified if you revive.
Tags: Revive
{P7} (Used, Night) Imaginary Weaponry [target]: You will several weapons into existence, and then kill the target with them.
Tags: Kill
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 04:45:01 pm
I am a Doctor. I protected Tric on Night 1. I protected Jim on Night 2.
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 04:46:08 pm
Sorry I wasn't able to say anything earlier, but I needed to be able to use it as much as possible. Unfortunately, I didn't guess right.
I am a Doctor. I protected Tric on Night 1. I protected Jim on Night 2.
... Yeah, nope. I used my Super last night to protect Jim. Also ninjacked..
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 04:47:24 pm
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 25, 2022, 04:48:19 pm
I have a role block and.. well, if I were to die before this, I would have been able to vote 1 time beyond the grave.
I targetted Tric N1, and Knight N2.
And.. shit, he's dead because of me.
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 04:54:36 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 05:02:48 pm
Also, going to randomly vote someone Jack? Cause that was a hammervote if ever I saw one.
As for my vote, I thought Oliverz144 was scum, there were three votes on him that didn't seem to be moving, so I wasn't inclined to wait a few hours for nothing. Sorry, I got impatient. If any other vote looked like it was going anywhere, I would have waited.
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 05:06:05 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 25, 2022, 05:11:27 pm
It is now Eliminate or Lose. Votes placed cannot be removed. Please be 100% sure before placing votes, or you may lose immediately.
Oh. Alright. An important note worth highlighting.
...At this point, it's Jack and probably Blue. The only other option is Jim here. Jack's been odd all game, so he's probably the vote for today. I'm also likeliest to die tonight given my bus would reflect the kill back onto the killer.
This is roughly where I'm at as well although I'd like to give the game a thorough go over before deciding anything.
And by thorough I mean I'm probably just going to read the game once and not spend too much time agonizing over it.
I redirected BluearianKnight to EuchreJack.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 05:12:35 pm
I was about to vote Blue. Instead this. Doesn't really change where the votes were though. Knightwing is dead, so that leaves 3 left. Blue's claim is very impressive in it's stonewalling, as killing him means mafia would apparently have an extra vote tomorrow. So right now we need to find the other between you two. Lidku, meanwhile, is very much cleared in my mind. So it's Jim, or you Jack. And you've been acting off all game, particularly yesterday. Please note you still haven't claimed.
Sorry I wasn't able to say anything earlier, but I needed to be able to use it as much as possible. Unfortunately, I didn't guess right.That looks like a fucking claim to me Tric.
I am a Doctor. I protected Tric on Night 1. I protected Jim on Night 2.
Could you try reading once in this game?
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 05:18:45 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 05:43:12 pm
Try a freaking gain EuchreJack. Being a Doctor is not enough to not claim yesterday. By not doing so you engineered distrust from me. Oh, but it's not the claim I was looking for was it? I was looking for who you ended up targeting N1.I was about to vote Blue. Instead this. Doesn't really change where the votes were though. Knightwing is dead, so that leaves 3 left. Blue's claim is very impressive in it's stonewalling, as killing him means mafia would apparently have an extra vote tomorrow. So right now we need to find the other between you two. Lidku, meanwhile, is very much cleared in my mind. So it's Jim, or you Jack. And you've been acting off all game, particularly yesterday. Please note you still haven't claimed.Sorry I wasn't able to say anything earlier, but I needed to be able to use it as much as possible. Unfortunately, I didn't guess right.That looks like a fucking claim to me Tric.
I am a Doctor. I protected Tric on Night 1. I protected Jim on Night 2.
Could you try reading once in this game?
So, you ended up targeting me N1 rather than Oliver? That would have been good to know yesterday.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 06:04:19 pm
My only regret is that I was unable to prevent a kill.
Now I've basically signed up to be tonight's Nightkill, as my odds of preventing a kill now are quite good.
But if we Lynch town, we lose. So it doesn't matter that I mention it now.
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 06:06:28 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 25, 2022, 06:11:06 pm
Blue's claim is very impressive in it's stonewalling, as killing him means mafia would apparently have an extra vote tomorrow.
That's not how I read the claim.
My role is called the Necromancer.
I have a role block and.. well, if I were to die before this, I would have been able to vote 1 time beyond the grave.
The way I read this is that prior to lylo BK would be able to vote while dead once, but now that it is lylo that ability no longer functions.
But it's also a lylo breaker and I don't believe those are in the game since they are stupid and webadict knows they're stupid. This is just about the only time I'm willing to read the mod regarding roles and the setup.
I had to touch on this since arbitrarily deciding one player is off limits for lylo because of role nonsense, despite you saying you suspect them, concerns me.
Post by: TricMagic on June 25, 2022, 06:13:46 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 06:18:21 pm
Moving on from that, who do you think is scum here?
I'd like to hear from Lidku first.
I'm looking at Lidku and Blue, and Jim to a lesser degree. No matter how annoying you are, you annoy me like you're town.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 25, 2022, 06:52:19 pm
Blue's claim is very impressive in it's stonewalling, as killing him means mafia would apparently have an extra vote tomorrow.
That's not how I read the claim.My role is called the Necromancer.
I have a role block and.. well, if I were to die before this, I would have been able to vote 1 time beyond the grave.
The way I read this is that prior to lylo BK would be able to vote while dead once, but now that it is lylo that ability no longer functions.
But it's also a lylo breaker and I don't believe those are in the game since they are stupid and webadict knows they're stupid. This is just about the only time I'm willing to read the mod regarding roles and the setup.
I had to touch on this since arbitrarily deciding one player is off limits for lylo because of role nonsense, despite you saying you suspect them, concerns me.
Actually, if I used my deadvote ability to cause a tie, my pick would be picked.
So, LYLO being dead would've had benefit, but, bleh.
Fuck. Honestly?
I'm between Jack or Jim.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 07:08:36 pm
EuchreJack. You're my main suspect. Not only did you keep flip-flopping, you changed your vote to Oliverz144, all but confirming him being lynched, despite you agreeing with me on putting suspicions on BluarianKnight. Not only that, Oliverz144 heavily suspected you of being mafia. Considering the fact he was telling the truth the whole time, made closely follow everything he had said.
Also, I got a question for Jim Groovester.
You lied and said you redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
Oliverz144 confirmed that by pointing out he used all his abilities on me on N1. If he was in fact redirected, he would have known who killed Maximum Spin on N1, by his own admission. His revealed abilities also line up with what he was saying. Do you have anything to answer for that anomaly?
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 07:12:28 pm
@Lidku: What did you do last night?
I was roleblacked because I stole Knightwing64's ability. His ability was called Late Arrival originally, but it shifted onto me when I stole it from him. That auto ability locked me from doing any action N2.
Post by: webadict on June 25, 2022, 07:15:30 pm
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EuchreJack - 1 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384442#msg8384442),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 4 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, TricMagic,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 28, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~72 hours remaining).
Remember: Votes are LOCKED. They cannot be changed.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 07:39:54 pm
@Lidku: What did you do last night?
I was roleblacked because I stole Knightwing64's ability. His ability was called Late Arrival originally, but it shifted onto me when I stole it from him. That auto ability locked me from doing any action N2.
I thought you were locked from acting Night 1. Is that true?
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 07:58:13 pm
I'm a Cybertronian. Its a role that has a lot of abilities, one of which allows me to see the alignment of someone. I'm going to use it this coming Night on someone other than you, since I suspect you the most already, EuchreJack.
EuchreJack, if you're telling the truth that you're a "Doctor," then protect me from getting killed and that will allow Town to get a 50% chance to reveal one of the Mafia.
My logic being that, since you claim Mafia is guaranteed to target you since you revealed yourself being a Doctor, now Mafia will have to divide on who to kill this coming Night, instead of focusing primarily on you.
If they don't kill you, then they can be prevented from killing to achieve further victory.
If they don't target me, but instead go ahead to focus on you irregardless, one of them will be confirmed to be revealed as Mafia.
All of this compounds if we actually vote correctly this day and snap an actual Mafia. The single remaining scum will be left alone to either have his potential kill negated, or be revealed entirely.
Though, this can only be a thing if you're actually telling the truth. You yourself said the Mafia can lie, which I still suspect you're a part of.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 08:25:41 pm
Despite me not tailgating BluarianKnight as I have been all game, they are still suspect, because along with Jim Groovester, they heavily targeted Oliverz144 with allegations.
Jim Groovester is another very shady character, because of how dogmatic he was with pivoting interest toward Oliverz144; on top of the fact that he lied about redirecting Oliverz144 toward Maximum Spin. Oliverz144 confirmed that no one had acted on me, because his ability apparently, was to Track actions committed on another player. If that was the case, like he said, he would've known who killed Maximum Spin and subsequently reveal that Mafia.
No one this whole game as claimed using an action of redirection against you either, Jim.
The only saving grace you have, is if Mafia really has a Ninja, which would raise you above suspicion. But we have no way of knowing that at the moment... until I use my alignment reveal this coming Night, that is.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 08:41:45 pm
Jim Groovester: The top occurring suspect player behind EuchreJack. Deception on what actions he committed and no one has stepped up to confirmed that his redirected action, was in turn, redirected by someone else.
BluarianKnight: Someone who I think maybe in league with Jim Groovester, only for the fact that they were in the vote to eliminate Oliverz144.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 09:53:29 pm
Also, I got a question for Jim Groovester.
You lied and said you redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.So, who did what last night?
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
Oliverz144 confirmed that by pointing out he used all his abilities on me on N1. If he was in fact redirected, he would have known who killed Maximum Spin on N1, by his own admission. His revealed abilities also line up with what he was saying. Do you have anything to answer for that anomaly?
On top of the questions I have quoted above, I'd like to additionally request that you reveal your role, since we're in Eliminate-or-Lose phase of the game.
Also, you previously mentioned that you redirected BluarianKnight to EuchreJack?
It is now Eliminate or Lose. Votes placed cannot be removed. Please be 100% sure before placing votes, or you may lose immediately.
Oh. Alright. An important note worth highlighting....At this point, it's Jack and probably Blue. The only other option is Jim here. Jack's been odd all game, so he's probably the vote for today. I'm also likeliest to die tonight given my bus would reflect the kill back onto the killer.
This is roughly where I'm at as well although I'd like to give the game a thorough go over before deciding anything.
And by thorough I mean I'm probably just going to read the game once and not spend too much time agonizing over it.
I redirected BluearianKnight to EuchreJack.
If that was honestly the true case, then Knightwing64 has an auto-ability that revives him once killed. BluarianKnight mentions that one of their abilities is tagged as Block. The Block would transfer to EuchreJack and then Knightwing64 would just be revived, culminating on the predication BluarianKnight mentioning they used their ability on Knightwing64 on N2.
Another lie from you Jim..
I'm starting to think your role has nothing to do with redirection after all... Unless you reveal it truly is.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 25, 2022, 10:44:03 pm
I'm Tin Knight Galahad, from my forum avatar. My ability is to protect folks from the Night Kill, like a good little tin Knight.
As for Lidku's plan, I guess it comes down to whether I believe Lidku is Town. Mafia would LOVE to be protected from night kills.
It would certainly be convenient for Mafia to claim Cop and get a Town read on a Dead Townie.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 10:49:10 pm
All the deceased players so far have had these ability Tags: Copy (Roden), Trigger (Maximum Spin), Revive (Knightwing64), and Kill (Knightwing64)
None of these tags have to do with the action redirection.
Of the current alive players, TricMagic mentioned he has three (3) 1-use abilities. He also stated that he used up his redirect on EuchreJack. Not once did he mention use a redirection on you, Jim.
BluarianKnight has Block and a "beyond-the-veil" ability (an ability that lets them vote, even when dead) since they're a Necromancer. None of these abilities have to do with redirection.
EuchreJack has chosen a decidedly generic role, for a Mafia game that allows you to submit your own custom roles. He is a Doctor. It primarily deals only in Protection. Which has nothing to do with redirection.
I now heavily suspect Jim Groovester to be Mafia, in a team with Jim.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 10:50:07 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 10:51:46 pm
I now heavily suspect Jim Groovester to be Mafia, in a team with Jim.
Sorry. I meant I heavily suspect Jim Groovester to be Mafia, in a team with Jack.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 10:59:58 pm
Well, the person above who thinks I'm both Doctor yet the most likely scum didn't ask my role, but I'll answer it anyways since I'm hopeful it will help.
I'm Tin Knight Galahad, from my forum avatar. My ability is to protect folks from the Night Kill, like a good little tin Knight.
As for Lidku's plan, I guess it comes down to whether I believe Lidku is Town. Mafia would LOVE to be protected from night kills.
It would certainly be convenient for Mafia to claim Cop and get a Town read on a Dead Townie.
The only Town person with an ability to kill someone else was killed: Knightwing64. If I was Mafia, then I wouldn't worry about being killed, since I would know everyone that is non-Mafia that can kill, is already deceased. As of this moment, only the Mafia can now commit Kills.
My primary goal in is to see your truthfulness, regarding role the role you're claiming.
If I'm killed this coming Night, and you didn't protect me, but knew I had a role that could reveal alignment, you'd be confirmed as Mafia.
If you do use your ability on me, giving me a pyrrhic move in an attempt to out a Mafia, but you get targeted as you claim; it proves that you were in fact non-Mafia, and that the Mafia prioritized you because you have the ability to prevent kills.
Post by: Lidku on June 25, 2022, 11:07:13 pm
If BluarianKnight is telling the truth and they can in fact vote beyond-the-veil, then Mafia is not going to target them this Night, at risk of having a hanging counter against them.
They are not going to go for TricMagic, since he's low priority; in comparison of me revealing I can learn someone's alignment, and along with EuchreJack being able to Protect someone during the Night (if we are to believe EuchreJack is telling the truth).
Considering if we get the vote right here and take out one of the Mafia, then the loner will be all but outed.
Looking back at the thread so far, the Town has had consensus that Jack and Jim are likely on the same team.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 26, 2022, 12:19:05 am
I'm basically stuck joining any vote that isn't me, since I know I'm town and thus my lynch is game over for town. While I would like to vote Lidku, I don't have that luxury. I'll have to plot some connections, but Lidku has successfully stayed off everyone's radar, as far as I can tell. Frankly, I think I'm the only one to have ever suspected Lidku as Mafia, but I have been real life working a lot during this game.
Post by: Lidku on June 26, 2022, 12:34:05 am
TricMagic, I suspect you the least out of everyone, but I got a question: You mentioned you used your 1-use Redirect action on EuchreJack? I know you were blocked by BluarianKnight, but who did you pivot your Redirection on EuchreJack toward initially, before finding out you were blocked? You never revealed so.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 26, 2022, 01:05:12 am
EuchreJack.
This was incredibly reckless of you to cast a vote when votes are permanent. If there is a single miscast vote by the town then the scum team can immediately win the game. If the town splits the vote between the scum team the scum team can immediately win the game. The only way the town makes it to Day 4 is if the three remaining town players unanimously lynch scum.
I think it's probably been enough time, though it could still happen, but the only way the game isn't immediately over is if there is at least one scum between you and EuchreJack. You could both be scum but that wouldn't make much sense.
You lied and said you redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
I did not lie.
Stop saying this.
Oliverz144 confirmed that by pointing out he used all his abilities on me on N1. If he was in fact redirected, he would have known who killed Maximum Spin on N1, by his own admission. His revealed abilities also line up with what he was saying. Do you have anything to answer for that anomaly?
I'm taking great issue with you repeatedly saying stuff like this considering that I have been harping all game long about why relying on role results in this game type is a terrible idea.
The scum team having an ability that would make the night kill untrackable, or some other explanation, is not out of the norm for this game type and not even particularly unlikely. It is perfectly possible that both Oliverz144 and I told the truth regarding our Night 1 results.
Consider also how I claimed instead of just the content of what I claimed. I freely volunteered my claim before Oliverz144 claimed and I also encouraged people against treating it like I had caught him dead to rights committing the night kill. Consider why I would do these things if I were scum instead of saying nothing at all.
The only saving grace you have, is if Mafia really has a Ninja, which would raise you above suspicion. But we have no way of knowing that at the moment... until I use my alignment reveal this coming Night, that is.
You're aware of possibilities for why both Oliverz144's and my night actions can both happen but you're stubbornly asserting instead that I lied.
You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth here. This concerns me greatly and is making me reevaluate my read on you.
If that was honestly the true case, then Knightwing64 has an auto-ability that revives him once killed. BluarianKnight mentions that one of their abilities is tagged as Block. The Block would transfer to EuchreJack and then Knightwing64 would just be revived, culminating on the predication BluarianKnight mentioning they used their ability on Knightwing64 on N2.
Another lie from you Jim..
This one has a straightforward explanation.
Roleblocks are priority 3 compared to redirections' priority 4, so the roleblock happens first. I was trying to redirect the nightkill from one suspect to another.
More to come.
Post by: Lidku on June 26, 2022, 01:23:04 am
Oliverz144 was Tracking and Watching me, as he had an ability that combined both. If I was Mafia and did the kill action against Maximum Spin, he would have known it was me.
Though a counter to this, could be that my theorized Mafia teammate could have done the kill action. The person(s) the Town collectively believes right now is Mafia, is Jim and Jack at the moment.
With Jack's slight non-subtle motions of me being Mafia (and him already being my prime suspect), this could levy a hypothetical team of me being in a team with Jim Groovester (Lidku + Jim Groovester).
That would mean Oliverz144 would be watching/tracking me for a kill; but he revealed on D2 that I was innocent/I was not targeted by anyone. Since he tracked me, and while HE didn't directly mention it, Oliverz144 knew that I used my Steal ability on Knightwing64 on N1.
If it was anything malicious, such as me murdering Maximum, he would have reported it to the Town the day after. If anything, he suspected me to be the attempted N1 kill, which is was his rationale of using all his abilities on me at once.
That posits that it would have to be Jim Groovester to have had committed the N1 kill, on the hypothetical thought-exercise of me being Mafia on a team with him.
We all know that Jim Groovester claims (with no substantiation at the moment, because he has yet to truly reveal his role and its abilities) that he used Redirection on Oliverz144. But that would be incorrect in the scenario in me being in a team with Jim, because one of the Mafia has to choose who-will-kill-who.
It'd have to be Jim Groovester to do the kill, as again, I was using my Night Action to steal from Knightwing64; and Oliverz144 was watching/tracking me. He would have immediately reported I killed someone on D2.
I've been reading the Mafiawiki, and at least one person of the Mafia team has to be chosen to do a kill action, from what I've learned. In the scenario of a Lidku+Jim team, we both could have not done our special role actions that aren't standard Mafia kill actions at the same time.
FAKEEDIT/NINJA'D (Jim Groovester has finally replied)..
Quote from: Jim Groovester
This was incredibly reckless of you to cast a vote when votes are permanent. If there is a single miscast vote by the town then the scum team can immediately win the game. If the town splits the vote between the scum team the scum team can immediately win the game. The only way the town makes it to Day 4 is if the three remaining town players unanimously lynch scum.
I think it's probably been enough time, though it could still happen, but the only way the game isn't immediately over is if there is at least one scum between you and EuchreJack. You could both be scum but that wouldn't make much sense.
My apologizes. Admittedly, I posted and didn't see web's ruling on votes being permanent this Day until much later on.
Quote from: Jim Groovester
I'm taking great issue with you repeatedly saying stuff like this considering that I have been harping all game long about why relying on role results in this game type is a terrible idea.
Given that you're way more experienced than me in Mafia, I'd have to defer some points of you being right here. But I don't entirely agree with role results in this particular game have no merit.
Quote from: Jim Groovester
This one has a straightforward explanation.
Roleblocks are priority 3 compared to redirections' priority 4, so the roleblock happens first. I was trying to redirect the nightkill from one suspect to another.
I think my answer is pretty straightforward as well. BluarianKnight did not roleblock you directly, at all. They have stated to have targeted Tric on N1, then Knightwing64 on N2. If you did really haveRedirect, it would (I'm half-assuming here) still work, and transfered onto EuchreJack like you claimed it did; since again, BluarianKnight64 did not directly target you.
Post by: Lidku on June 26, 2022, 01:58:30 am
Not only that, there still isn't evidence for your claim that you actually redirected Oliverz144 on N1 toward Maximum Spin. Before he died, Oliverz144 asserted 3 things toward you specifically:
1) That Mafia might a Ninja, which could be the reason, he surmised, on why he hypothetically didn't detect anything from you purportedly redirecting him.
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----> (Has yet to be revealed at all, hinging on this Night later on, I use my ability to find the alignment of one of the Mafia)
2) That you were lying.
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-----> (What I'm leaning toward and what Oliverz144 leant toward as well)
3) That someone simultaneously redirected you, when you redirected Oliverz144.
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------> (This is negated by the fact that everyone that has died so far, does not have a Redirect ability listed, along with all the players who have currently revealed their role either; don't have Redirect, or can no longer use it (TricMagic, but he mentioned he redirected EuchreJack and not you).)
Post by: Lidku on June 26, 2022, 02:19:30 am
Quote from: Jim GroovesterThis one has a straightforward explanation.
Roleblocks are priority 3 compared to redirections' priority 4, so the roleblock happens first. I was trying to redirect the nightkill from one suspect to another.
I think my answer is pretty straightforward as well. BluarianKnight did not roleblock you directly, at all. They have stated to have targeted Tric on N1, then Knightwing64 on N2. If you did really haveRedirect, it would (I'm half-assuming here) still work, and transfered onto EuchreJack like you claimed it did; since again, BluarianKnight64 did not directly target you.
Also to add on to this: You mentioning the priority orders is a self-strike against yourself. Redirect changes the target, in terms of a priority sequence; effects, I think, don't take hold until all actions and their priorities are fully processed.
Since Block is P3 and Redirect is P4, and you claim that you do actually have Redirect, you SHOULD have indirectly saved Knightwing64 from his Revive ability being Blocked; something that I already broached previously. Instead Knightwing64's Block by BluarianKnight remained and they were killed.
You bring up in defense that since Block was used, your Redirect was negated, but that only works if the Block was used directly against you. BluarianKnight has claimed to have only used Block on TricMagic and Knightwing64, who died on N2.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 26, 2022, 02:57:46 am
Quote from: Jim GroovesterThis one has a straightforward explanation.
Roleblocks are priority 3 compared to redirections' priority 4, so the roleblock happens first. I was trying to redirect the nightkill from one suspect to another.
I think my answer is pretty straightforward as well. BluarianKnight did not roleblock you directly, at all. They have stated to have targeted Tric on N1, then Knightwing64 on N2. If you did really haveRedirect, it would (I'm half-assuming here) still work, and transfered onto EuchreJack like you claimed it did; since again, BluarianKnight64 did not directly target you.
The roleblock would resolve before the redirection occurs. BK did not roleblock me, but I cannot redirect fast enough to stop BK from blocking Knightwing64.
Also, Jim Groovester, you have yet to reveal what your role and its subsequent ability(s).
I'm an An IC from the Old Beginner's Mafias. I can redirect. I also have a one shot that activates on my death where I can make one post with game related information.
You have worn out my patience for this topic. You have repetitively said your piece and I am not going to engage with you further on this topic.
You are missing the point of this game. Mafia is a social game. The mechanical aspects are important but are also uninteresting compared to the social aspects. It is more important to engage with other players and determine motive and alignment from interacting with them than it is focusing or obsessing over who did what during the night game. If your takeaway from this game is that it is very important to focus on roles and role results you will have learned a very poor lesson.
Post by: Lidku on June 26, 2022, 03:04:28 am
Post by: TricMagic on June 26, 2022, 09:16:39 am
Post by: Lidku on June 26, 2022, 09:28:08 am
I suspect you the least out of everyone, like I said before, but I just want to know, who did you Redirect EuchreJack toward on N1? You said you used your 1-use Redirect on him, but never revealed the secondary sub-target that was redirected against.
Post by: Mamobo on June 26, 2022, 09:54:28 am
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EuchreJack - 2 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384442#msg8384442), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384564#msg8384564),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 3 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, Jim Groovester,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 28, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~58 hours remaining).
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 26, 2022, 10:27:48 am
For all that, we've lost the ability to choose if Lidku is town. Which I feel he is. So I'll put my money there too, EucrheJack.
I really hope EuchreJack is scum because in order for town to win if he's not is for BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, and I all to agree on somebody to lynch and the only two people we could all agree on is TricMagic or Lidku, and I don't see that happening.
On Day 4 don't cast your fucking votes early, goddammit.
EuchreJack.
Post by: webadict on June 26, 2022, 10:50:03 am
"Now, let's just rethink this proposition, Webley. You can't fire me. Because I quit!" EuchreJack proudly declares, crossing his arms.
Webley just shrugs his shoulders. "Uh, okay, clear out your locker, anyway."
EuchreJack realizes his mistake, but dejectedly walks to his locker. He opens it to find several sandwiches, several of which are so old, that they've turned shades of blue and green, in there. The smell is so strong that several employees flee the scene, including EuchreJack.
"Neh he he!" he cackles, throwing moldy sandwiches through the store on his exit. "Your sandwiches were bad, anyway!"
Webley hastily eats a sandwich before calling in the night cleaning crew to fix the problem, and also stealthily pocketing the hundred dollar bill without anyone noticing.
Vote Count
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EuchreJack - 3 - Lidku* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384442#msg8384442), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384564#msg8384564), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8384571#msg8384571),
BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - BluarianKnight, EuchreJack,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 28, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~57 hours remaining).
EuchreJack has been chosen for elimination.
EuchreJack was Tin Knight Galahad (Mafia).
It is now Night. Night ends when all Actions have been sent or 36 hours have passed. If you wish to perform No Action, please send me that as well.
NOTE: One of the Mafia has been eliminated. This means that one Mafia remains.
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EuchreJack
Role Name: Tin Knight Galahad
Alignment: Mafia
Abilities:
{PT} (Auto) Automaton: Who could read the mind of a robot? Action Inspect, Watch, Copy, and Steal Abilities performed on you always target Knight Duty, regardless of your Actions.
Tag: Trigger
{P5} (Night) Knight Duty [target]: It is only a knight’s duty to protect others. You protect the target from Kill actions. If this protection succeeds, you are alerted and this ability is removed from your role.
Tags: Protect
{P-1} (Night) Holy Grail [target]: You use the power of the Holy Grail to prevent the target from being roleblocked.
Tags: Super
Post by: webadict on June 27, 2022, 09:20:35 pm
Honestly, you really just want the money he promised Yesterday, so you decide to find that last sandwich thief.
Vote Count
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BluarianKnight - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 4 - BluarianKnight, Jim Groovester, Lidku, TricMagic,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 29, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~46 hours remaining).
NOTE: This is a situation known as Miseliminate and Lose. Your votes are STILL permanent, however, but instant loss from being wrong may not occur. Eliminating the wrong Player here is likely to lose the game, though.
Post by: Lidku on June 27, 2022, 09:39:26 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 27, 2022, 09:42:10 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 27, 2022, 09:42:32 pm
Unless Lidku is a psychopath and hated EuchreJack there's basically no way he's scum. I'd be very surprised if TricMagic is scum and if he is then he's playing a hell of a game.
I did nothing; there was no good choice to redirect the night kill to.
My deepest apologizes, Jim Groovester. You're actually Town...
I really wish it didn't take a role result for you to come to this conclusion. Ideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally you would've been able to read me as town based on what I've been doing and how I've been interacting with others.
Post by: Lidku on June 27, 2022, 09:59:42 pm
Not once did EuchreJack put a vote on TricMagic, even when TricMagic was being very aggressive toward him. Also, all of EuchreJack's previous reads constantly reassure TricMagic is Town.. almost to a dogmatic extent.
I also found this strange on pg. 13
...Well, barring everything else, Jack didn't do the kill.
So, who did what last night?
Why did TricMagic say this randomly, with no further explanation?
TricMagic also has ignored my previous questions on who he supposedly Redirected EuchreJack on N1 toward. He just mentioned it, but never elaborated further. I guess the counter of him not answering it, could be that he forgot about it when BK mentioned they roleblocked him, but I re-brought it up a couple pages later (the previous page, I think, even).
EuchreJack constantly voted on BluarianKnight. It could have been a diversionary tactic? But again, he suspiciously ignored pushing any weight on TricMagic all game.
Though to be honest, TricMagic put a lot of weight on EuchreJack the whole game.. but could've that been a routine?
Post by: Lidku on June 27, 2022, 10:05:32 pm
I really wish it didn't take a role result for you to come to this conclusion. Ideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally you would've been able to read me as town based on what I've been doing and how I've been interacting with others.
You're entirely right.. now I wished I would've trounced it on either TricMagic or BluarianKnight.. but all the self-hype I put into it being you, caused my folly of wasting my alignment reveal ability. Since we're in Eliminate-or-Lose right now, I guess it doesn't matter that I mention my reveal ability is only 1-Use.
Post by: Lidku on June 27, 2022, 10:24:49 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 02:35:46 am
As I mentioned during Day 3 the game didn't immediately end when Lidku voted EuchreJack so that means there was at least one scum between the two of them. It's technically possible that they could both be scum but I feel like that's a vanishingly small chance. For how much Lidku had to say about me during Day 3 he could have voted me instead, and this would have worked out better for a Lidku/EuchreJack team than Lidku voting EuchreJack. I don't think Lidku is worth considering as scum here.
TricMagic has been active, aggressive, and confrontational. If TricMagic is scum then his game is significantly different than in the Headhunter where he was much more reserved. TricMagic THUNDERDOMED BluarianKnight which is stupid but is an action I much more readily see a town player calling for than a scum player. TricMagic spent a large portion of Day 1 and a bit of Day 2 trying to get EuchreJack lynched, and TricMagic cast the second vote on EuchreJack during Day 3, essentially sealing his fate. If TricMagic is scum then even with Lidku's vote on EuchreJack a TricMagic/EuchreJack team still has a viable option of pulling out a Day 3 win by trying to convince me to vote for BluarianKnight before EuchreJack, but TricMagic decides not to pursue that option, opting instead to put EuchreJack at L-1, which if he were scum would be incredibly cutthroat and ruthless of him. I think the likelier explanation for TricMagic's behavior is that he's town. As Lidku points out EuchreJack consistently since the start of the game reads TricMagic as town which is an odd interaction, but while EuchreJack's interactions with TricMagic are off, TricMagic's interactions with EuchreJack seem normal enough.
BluarianKnight has played somewhat passively and more often than not has faded into the background during days due to low activity relative to other players. Day 1 BluarianKnight goes after Roden and the case is somewhat sensible (if eventually incorrect) but then goes after Oliverz144 with kind of a low effort case. During Night 1 BluarianKnight says Oliverz144 is noob town, then later on in Day 2 reverses the read and suspects Oliverz144 again. The reversal of attitude regarding Oliverz144 is something I noted during Day 2 and is something I find concerning. Day 3 BK doesn't do much but given how the day unfolded that's not really that surprising or that damning. On Day 1 BK goes after TricMagic for being too aggressive against EuchreJack which was a strange interaction that I noted during Day 1. During Day 2 EuchreJack votes BluarianKnight twice but the votes don't seem serious and don't go anywhere. Rather than try to get momentum on BluarianKnight EuchreJack decides to hammer Oliverz144. Given the weaker play and the lack of significant interaction between BluarianKnight and EuchreJack I think BK's play can plausibly be weak town and can also plausibly be weak scum. This makes the BluarianKnight/EuchreJack team the most likely in my opinion and therefore BluaranKnight as the likeliest final scum player. There's also that BluarianKnight is always scum and never not scum so he has that working against him as well.
I'll wait for TricMagic and BluarianKnight to show up and say their piece but I'm reasonably confident it's BluarianKnight.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 03:32:58 am
But could there be a smidgen of truth to what BluarianKnight has been saying so far? BluarianKnight has been consistent in claiming that their role has a roleblocker ability. What makes me believe them further, some what, is the fact that they mentioned they indirectly/accidentally got Knightwing64 killed by roleblocking his Auto-Revive ability.
If Knightwing 64 didn't have his role blocked on N2, he would have been present with us in D3.
Generally, this Auto-Revive ability seemingly generated for him after I used my Steal ability on his "Late Arrival" ability; which was an ability that Auto roleblocked you... or maybe he had the Auto-Revive ability the whole time, and the Auto-Blocker was in place to ensure he was at least killable on N1 for balance reasons?
To refocus all this in general, there is a high percentage of truth in BluarianKnight claiming to be a "Necromancer" with an ability to Block people; as well as vote beyond the grave if dead.
So far, Jim Groovester has only claimed to have Redirect as their main ability. BluarianKnight's main ability is Roleblocking. My main one was Inspection, but it's gone now.. TricMagic claims to have three (3) 1-Use abilities, which so far, only one exists for him now: a "Bus" ability. His "Super Protect" he mentioned he used on Jim and his 1-use Redirect was apparently used on EuchreJack; a Redirect TricMagic has yet to reveal WHO he redirected EuchreJack toward.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 04:01:10 am
Quote from: Jim Groovester
BluarianKnight has played somewhat passively and more often than not has faded into the background during days due to low activity relative to other players. Day 1 BluarianKnight goes after Roden and the case is somewhat sensible (if eventually incorrect) but then goes after Oliverz144 with kind of a low effort case. During Night 1 BluarianKnight says Oliverz144 is noob town, then later on in Day 2 reverses the read and suspects Oliverz144 again. The reversal of attitude regarding Oliverz144 is something I noted during Day 2 and is something I find concerning. Day 3 BK doesn't do much but given how the day unfolded that's not really that surprising or that damning. On Day 1 BK goes after TricMagic for being too aggressive against EuchreJack which was a strange interaction that I noted during Day 1. During Day 2 EuchreJack votes BluarianKnight twice but the votes don't seem serious and don't go anywhere. Rather than try to get momentum on BluarianKnight EuchreJack decides to hammer Oliverz144. Given the weaker play and the lack of significant interaction between BluarianKnight and EuchreJack I think BK's play can plausibly be weak town and can also plausibly be weak scum. This makes the BluarianKnight/EuchreJack team the most likely in my opinion and therefore BluaranKnight as the likeliest final scum player. There's also that BluarianKnight is always scum and never not scum so he has that working against him as well.
After reading this, my opinion is changing to lean toward BluarianKnight, but I still have a few waning questions for TricMagic, though...
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 04:12:39 am
Quote from: Jim Groovester
During Day 2 EuchreJack votes BluarianKnight twice but the votes don't seem serious and don't go anywhere.
But remember, EuchreJack before he was found out, NEVER voted against TrickMagic once. Jack even voted for me, who everyone in the game so far has read me as Town, at least one time.. and also pivoted slight contention that I could have been Mafia.. That's really bizarre.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 06:54:53 am
(Also, I'd like to preface that this innately is a poor theory, due to it contradicting my predilections the whole time that Jim Groovester didn't have Redirect but was lying about his actual role).
What if the reason for why there was no kill last night, was that Jim Groovester had to Redirect my Inspect on someone else (either TricMagic or BluarianKnight) who was Town, since I heavily choregraphed that I was going to Inspect him on N3? Even though I didn't out right say it during the course of D3, all my secondary allegations were on Jim.
Since doing a kill action within itself is a single action, Jim theoretically had to choose between either killing me to silence a chance of him being revealed as Mafia (remember, this is all hypothetical) or manipulate my Inspect on someone else (i.e Redirect my Inspection) to secure a confirmation as "Town", since I stated that I'd reveal on D4 my Inspection results.
But again, this is a poor theory and just me frantically trying to understand why the now solo-Mafia didn't attempt a kill at all.
I'm still leaning toward TricMagic being Mafia, then BluarianKnight due to what Jim Groovester is saying, and I suspect Jim Groovester the least.
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 07:19:34 am
It's interesting to note that when I unintentionally jumped the gun and voted EuchreJack (jumped the gun, because I didn't see our votes on D3 would have been much permanent, until much later. If I did, I would not have voted EuchreJack so early, even though I heavily suspected him the most) BluarianKnight has stopped posting altogether.. and your point about their general precipitatiously low activity is a good point as well...
But could there be a smidgen of truth to what BluarianKnight has been saying so far? BluarianKnight has been consistent in claiming that their role has a roleblocker ability. What makes me believe them further, some what, is the fact that they mentioned they indirectly/accidentally got Knightwing64 killed by roleblocking his Auto-Revive ability.
If Knightwing 64 didn't have his role blocked on N2, he would have been present with us in D3.
Generally, this Auto-Revive ability seemingly generated for him after I used my Steal ability on his "Late Arrival" ability; which was an ability that Auto roleblocked you... or maybe he had the Auto-Revive ability the whole time, and the Auto-Blocker was in place to ensure he was at least killable on N1 for balance reasons?
To refocus all this in general, there is a high percentage of truth in BluarianKnight claiming to be a "Necromancer" with an ability to Block people; as well as vote beyond the grave if dead.
So far, Jim Groovester has only claimed to have Redirect as their main ability. BluarianKnight's main ability is Roleblocking. My main one was Inspection, but it's gone now.. TricMagic claims to have three (3) 1-Use abilities, which so far, only one exists for him now: a "Bus" ability. His "Super Protect" he mentioned he used on Jim and his 1-use Redirect was apparently used on EuchreJack; a Redirect TricMagic has yet to reveal WHO he redirected EuchreJack toward.
You might have missed it, but it was to Oliver. But BK blocking me means Jack was no longer free from suspicion. Hence why I Thunderdomed them in the first place, a roleblock no one can see is way to suspicious, since it can't be verified directly.
Last night I used my Bus on Blue and myself. (I hid that detail, mostly cause I wanted to draw the kill to me.) My question is, can Mafia have their kill redirected onto them? I'm pretty sure the answer is no.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 07:35:17 am
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 07:39:37 am
My question is, can Mafia have their kill redirected onto them? I'm pretty sure the answer is no.Is this a question for me? Because the answer is, barring extra Abilities, yes, since it follows Standard Action Resolution.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 11:48:00 am
Quote from: Jim GroovesterDuring Day 2 EuchreJack votes BluarianKnight twice but the votes don't seem serious and don't go anywhere.
But remember, EuchreJack before he was found out, NEVER voted against TrickMagic once. Jack even voted for me, who everyone in the game so far has read me as Town, at least one time.. and also pivoted slight contention that I could have been Mafia.. That's really bizarre.
Yes, and?
Regardless of what EuchreJack did or didn't do regarding TricMagic nothing TricMagic does to EuchreJack makes sense if they're on a scum team together.
What if the reason for why there was no kill last night, was that Jim Groovester had to Redirect my Inspect on someone else (either TricMagic or BluarianKnight) who was Town, since I heavily choregraphed that I was going to Inspect him on N3? Even though I didn't out right say it during the course of D3, all my secondary allegations were on Jim.
Since doing a kill action within itself is a single action, Jim theoretically had to choose between either killing me to silence a chance of him being revealed as Mafia (remember, this is all hypothetical) or manipulate my Inspect on someone else (i.e Redirect my Inspection) to secure a confirmation as "Town", since I stated that I'd reveal on D4 my Inspection results.
Why do I choose this option versus killing you and not having to deal with you or your inspect results at all?
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 12:49:43 pm
Quote from: Jim Groovester
Why do I choose this option versus killing you and not having to deal with you or your inspect results at all?
Because like I mentioned, it would be a "confirmation" of you being "Town". A confirmation, that if you're Mafia, would skirt all the previous interest I put on you on D3. You would have definitely desired such a confirmation; especially even after BluarianKnight and TricMagic began to both agree of suspecting you and EuchreJack being joint Mafia.
So it's Jim, or you Jack.
Actually, if I used my deadvote ability to cause a tie, my pick would be picked.
So, LYLO being dead would've had benefit, but, bleh.
Fuck. Honestly?
I'm between Jack or Jim.
Killing me would put you in extremely dangerous territory, as you'd have two Towns who would potentially pile onto you:
The one who disclosed they can reveal alignment, who was (not so-subtly) leading on D3 that they would Inspect you, finding you the second-most suspect, suddenly dies, without a chance of revealing their results on D4?
Keeping me alive and using me as lynchpin (no pun intended) to confirm you as "Town" would be an exemplary strategy. It coincides with you claiming you have the Redirect ability this entire game (an ability I initially believed you were lying about). Just simply Redirect me to someone who's Town (either TricMagic or BluarianKnight, doesn't matter), and your alignment would deceptionally show up as Town, even though that's not the true case at all.
...It's just a miscellaneous working theory, however, on why no N3 kill took place at all. And remember.. theories are just theories..
On a self-critique of it alone, I think it falls apart somewhat, because wouldn't a Redirect action just tell me the alignment of someone else entirely and not say anything about Jim Groovester at all? Although, that alone would skyrocket my previous heavy suspicions I had on Jim Groovester even more, as the Inspect I deliberately positioned at him suddenly goes to someone else I didn't target at all.
Though overall, on concerns of my self-critique; it could be a case of where this the first time I'm encountering someone use a Redirect on an Inspect, and since I'm a such a newb, I don't know how Redirect and Inspect interact; in comparison of how Redirects have been working on other abilities thus far in this game.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 01:33:01 pm
I think it's BK here.
Unless Lidku is a psychopath and hated EuchreJack there's basically no way he's scum. I'd be very surprised if TricMagic is scum and if he is then he's playing a hell of a game.
I did nothing; there was no good choice to redirect the night kill to.My deepest apologizes, Jim Groovester. You're actually Town...
I really wish it didn't take a role result for you to come to this conclusion. Ideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally you would've been able to read me as town based on what I've been doing and how I've been interacting with others.
You mention that you opted not to use your Redirect ability at all on N3. I just find that mentioned factor strange, considering you had no qualms of using it on BluarianKnight before on N2 at EuchreJack.
If that was honestly the true case, then Knightwing64 has an auto-ability that revives him once killed. BluarianKnight mentions that one of their abilities is tagged as Block. The Block would transfer to EuchreJack and then Knightwing64 would just be revived, culminating on the predication BluarianKnight mentioning they used their ability on Knightwing64 on N2.
Another lie from you Jim..
This one has a straightforward explanation.
Roleblocks are priority 3 compared to redirections' priority 4, so the roleblock happens first. I was trying to redirect the nightkill from one suspect to another.
More to come.
My leading question to all this, considering the fact as of late you heavily putting suspicions on BluarianKnight:
Why did you not just Redirect BluarianKnight to TricMagic, making him a "sacrificial lamb" so to speak, as to definitively prove BluarianKnight was Mafia? Since we successfully eked out EuchreJack as Mafia on D2 and no longer in Eliminate-or-Lose territory, we were no longer at risk anymore. A N3 kill was expected, it was just a matter of whom.
A Town-aligned strategy would have just been to Redirect BluarianKnight to kill TricMagic as a sacrifice, while just allowing me to Inspect and just touch-base on you being Town. A confident Town Jim Groovester would not have been worried about me Inspecting them at all, just focusing on gaining hard evidence on the Mafia (Redirect confirming the killer + Lidku definitively revealing alignment as Town. Also, let's all remember that I unintentionally heavily choregraphed that I was going to Inspect Jim Groovester).
Then you could've just as easily afterward, bomb-shell revealed that you Redirected BluarianKnight toward TricMagic, thus achieving a Town victory by then securing a vote on the confirmed Mafia.
Redirecting suspected Mafia to a fellow Townie for experimentation seems to be a valid strategy, as TricMagic was experimenting on Redirecting EuchreJack to Oliverz144 before, to see if they were Mafia on N1.
In a choice between either sacrificing me or TricMagic for Mafia revelatory-experimentation, TricMagic would have been the logical choice out of the pair, since I disclosed I had Inspection; and theoretically in terms of considering you Town by that margin; could have hard-confirmed that you were Town, and cleared all doubts of previous suspicions and accusations pointed toward you..
Instead.. if we take into account my theory on why no N3 kill took place, you had to devise a way to remove suspicion on you another way. So instead of sticking to your conviction toward BluarianKnight if you were Town-aligned, you had to Redirect my Inspection on either TricMagic or BluarianKnight for me to confirm you as "Town"...
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 01:44:54 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 01:55:49 pm
i have invented an entire imaginary world that lets me suspect you
Humoring you at all about hypotheticals was a mistake. I am not going to do it anymore. Go fall into rabbit holes on your own.
You are becoming a liability. You will not be able to make a clear headed decision and this will lose us the game.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 02:02:20 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 03:05:31 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 03:17:40 pm
I have a question: do Blocks abilities Block against Kill actions?Yes, but the more likely scenario is they just didn't bother to do a kill cause that would given town information. So Blue is mostly waiting and hoping we tear each other apart first. Which isn't actually happening, right?
Roleblocking a kill does mean it doesn't go off. Blue could have come in at start of day and said they roleblocked someone. But my bus ability would make that extremely risky to pull off.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 28, 2022, 03:22:41 pm
I roleblocked Jim last night. Why? Because looking between my three options..
Tric, as stated earlier, is too aggressive in my eyes, and I've blocked him before to little success.
I think Lidku is too new to be doing this well as pretending to be town - it feels genuine townplay.
So, that left Jim, who.. well, is the best player out of the four of us. If there was someone I'd genuinely not be able to read, it'd be him.
So, I blocked him.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 28, 2022, 03:26:12 pm
My deepest apologizes, Jim Groovester. You're actually Town...
Also, just because Jim voted Euchre, that does not mean he's town. Euchre was voted first - when there were two votes, it was clear it'd be impossible for Euchre and Jim (if it is Jim) to hammer someone down. They need one town vote, and Euchre and Jim voting together at that point would have done nothing, especially since I was gone the entirety of D3.
Also - Jim doing nothing? The one night when he's roleblocked?
I don't think that. I think he tried a night kill and failed.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 03:37:15 pm
Actually, no. I've just been busy.
I roleblocked Jim last night. Why? Because looking between my three options..
Tric, as stated earlier, is too aggressive in my eyes, and I've blocked him before to little success.
I think Lidku is too new to be doing this well as pretending to be town - it feels genuine townplay.
So, that left Jim, who.. well, is the best player out of the four of us. If there was someone I'd genuinely not be able to read, it'd be him.
So, I blocked him.
Welp, that puts a hole in my theory that "Jim Groovester could be Mafia still by Redirecting me toward a Townie" theory. The fact that you say you roleblocked him, means that he didn't use a Redirect tactic to throw off my Inspection... I think... he might be genuinely Town. Block is P3 and Redirect is P4.
It would be impossible for him to clamor for a cover through my previous proposed theory...
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 03:39:23 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 03:43:59 pm
In a theoretical BluarianKnight + EuchreJack team, how could they've coordinated Blocking and then Killing Knightwing64, as if knowing he would have had that Auto-Revive ability? They only could have done that through pure luck... unless their is an ability that can reveal other abilities that I don't know about?
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 03:45:47 pm
Actually, I take back my "think they might be Town," that's too miltuquetoast in this scenario. There is a very high probability Jim Groovester is Town, considering my Inspection confirmed as such.
I Bussed myself and Blue. You inspected, and found Jim to be Town. Blue blocked Jim. So from your perspective, it's me or Blue. Barring godfather-like shenanigans, which is the only way Jim could be town in this scenario.
Blue likely did block Jim last night. That doesn't change your result. All actions have been accounted for.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 03:56:13 pm
Also - Jim doing nothing? The one night when he's roleblocked?
I don't think that. I think he tried a night kill and failed.
I figured TricMagic's bus was going to make N3 chaotic and without knowing who he targets there's no way I can reliably redirect the kill and doing so might've screwed with what he was trying to do. Furthermore I can't redirect you to yourself for the night kill so that means I have to redirect it to TricMagic or Lidku and I read both of them as town. Redirecting the kill to me I think is the best option here but I don't think my redirect can self-target. So really the best option was to just do nothing.
It's perfectly possible that BK goes for a hail mary frame job on me instead of a kill given how dense N3 was going to be.
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 03:58:41 pm
Of course your vote would be picked, you're mafia BlueKnight. Only way out of this would to look back over the action reports of the various nights and build a case out of that.Blue's claim is very impressive in it's stonewalling, as killing him means mafia would apparently have an extra vote tomorrow.
That's not how I read the claim.My role is called the Necromancer.
I have a role block and.. well, if I were to die before this, I would have been able to vote 1 time beyond the grave.
The way I read this is that prior to lylo BK would be able to vote while dead once, but now that it is lylo that ability no longer functions.
But it's also a lylo breaker and I don't believe those are in the game since they are stupid and webadict knows they're stupid. This is just about the only time I'm willing to read the mod regarding roles and the setup.
I had to touch on this since arbitrarily deciding one player is off limits for lylo because of role nonsense, despite you saying you suspect them, concerns me.
Actually, if I used my deadvote ability to cause a tie, my pick would be picked.
So, LYLO being dead would've had benefit, but, bleh.
Fuck. Honestly?
I'm between Jack or Jim.
I didn't get any notice that I was roleblocked but I also didn't act so that's normal.This is good reasoning. Props to Jim if he is Mafia at the end of this. At the moment though, Blue's my vote.Also - Jim doing nothing? The one night when he's roleblocked?
I don't think that. I think he tried a night kill and failed.
I figured TricMagic's bus was going to make N3 chaotic and without knowing who he targets there's no way I can reliably redirect the kill and doing so might've screwed with what he was trying to do. Furthermore I can't redirect you to yourself for the night kill so that means I have to redirect it to TricMagic or Lidku and I read both of them as town. Redirecting the kill to me I think is the best option here but I don't think my redirect can self-target. So really the best option was to just do nothing.
It's perfectly possible that BK goes for a hail mary frame job on me instead of a kill given how dense N3 was going to be.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 04:05:58 pm
I think I'm ready; I don't need any more time.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 04:21:48 pm
Since Knightwing64's Auto-Revive ability was trigger based, and reacted (as per the rules on Turn Order in the OP post)
on the Block, which is Priority 3; Knightwing64's Auto-Revive ability subsequently also became a P3 in order calculation.
Simultaneously as a consequence of being a Block by default, BluarianKnight's Block had nullified Knightwing64's Auto-Revive..
However, this nullification could have been removed, if Jim Groovester truthful telling the truth about Redirecting BluarianKnight
toward EuchreJack (which he said he did on N2).
Redirection is Priority 4 (P4).
If Jim Groovester truly used Redirection as he claimed, BluarianKnight would have
Blocked EuchreJack's Kill (in a scenario of sake-of-argument belief where EuchreJack, among the
Mafia internal decision-making on N2, decided for Jack specifically to carry out the kill) on N2, instead of Blocking Knightwing64, which unintentionally caused his demise.
Knightwing64 probably would done some sort of theoretical action (which we will never know of
since he died), with his 1-Use Auto-Revive not being used up at all, or being known at all, since the Kill toward him
would've been blocked.
From what I've quickly learned, Night cycles progress based on submitted Turn Actions alone.
I was under the newbish belief that a kill HAD to happen for the Night to progress, but that was wrong.
Under the above scenario, everything would have went off on N2 without a single kill, like what has happened on previous N3. We
would have preceded into D3 with nobody killed.
It could have actually been where:
1) BluarianKnight had Blocked Knightwing64
2) EuchreJack used his Protection ability on Jim (since EuchreJack mentoined he protected Jim)
3) And Jim Groovester was the one actually chosen to do the kill, not doing any Redirection at all, as they've claimed to
have done.
I just find it very hard to believe that Mafia could have possibly known about Knightwing64's Auto-Revive and maneuvered a
kill-down where they Blocked it, then went in for a Kill.. it's just way too.. shaky..
What if my Inspection didn't work? I've looking over the wiki. What if Jim Groovester's role has somesort of Godfather-like
mechanism imbedded into it? Maybe that's why my Inspection didn't work? What if he didn't need a Redirect at all to deceive my Inspection, but just needed to do nothing and not kill me, and get a "Town" confirmation?
I say all this because no matter what, Knightwing64 WOULD have been Auto-Revived without being Blocked. Hell, even with being Blocked, someone else STILL would have needed to kill them thereafter. BluarianKnight came out and straight admitted they roleblocked Knightwing64, lamenting on the loss, considering they were Town..
Also, remember TricMagic (but its too late now since you voted), without BluarianKnight mentioning they roleblocked you on N1, you would've stopped suspecting EuchreJack the entire game. Them admitting that crucial fact put you back on the right track.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 04:29:33 pm
I'm leaning toward BluarianKnight being Town.
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 04:49:43 pm
Either way, I'm ready to end this. Or we can just skip the day if you're so inclined, we'd be one shorter, but you'd be able to inspect Blue to your heart's content as they murder you.
BlueKnight
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 04:51:57 pm
i've invented another imaginary world that lets me suspect Jim
I explained this to you yesterday but you didn't believe me. Roleblocks are P3 and redirects are P4. The roleblock outprioritizes the redirection. I cannot redirect the target of a roleblock.
Also if you have role related questions you should be asking webadict instead of going to mafiawiki since it's his game and his rules.
You are trying to drink your own koolaid way too hard, You desperately want me to be scum so you are inventing increasingly elaborate what if scenarios where I am scum and wholeheartedly embracing them regardless of how likely they are. You do not suspect me of being scum because of anything I've done or any interactions I've had with any other player, it's literally all just role bullshit nonsense.
There is a reason they're called cracked pot theories Lidku. Look at previous days, BlueKnight has consistently stayed under the radar for the most part.
Either way, I'm ready to end this. Or we can just skip the day if you're so inclined, we'd be one shorter, but you'd be able to inspect Blue to your heart's content as they murder you.
BlueKnight
Yeah I do not want another day of this.
BluarianKnight.
Up to you, Lidku. Win or lose, it's all in your hands.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 05:06:44 pm
Redirection merely changes the Target being Targeted, correct? The effects of the entire turn order for the Night does take effect until everything is processed?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 05:11:15 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 05:29:08 pm
...Not much else to do. If you vote anyone else Mafia wins. Cause they can just tie the vote and pick the one being lynched.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 05:57:16 pm
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 06:08:49 pm
NOTE: This is a situation known as Miseliminate and Lose. Your votes are STILL permanent, however, but instant loss from being wrong may not occur. Eliminating the wrong Player here is likely to lose the game, though.
Lidku, it's a bit too late for that. Either vote to not lynch, or vote blue.
Also, that proposition can't change who is and isn't mafia. If you do anything but the above, you pretty much lose us the game since Blue will just pile their vote on your's, then pick to lynch that person.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 28, 2022, 06:27:34 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 06:43:30 pm
In this Miseliminate-or-Lose, is it MANDATORY to vote for a player at this phase type? Is going for the "no option" not allowed? This was never deliberatively specified. All the notary says that if we eliminate the wrong person would bring a likely result of losing the game, and that our votes are permanent.
Also, here's my proposition, since I believe it'll take awhile before BluarianKnight becomes active once again:
If we go by Jim Groovester's purported defense explanation on how abilities are resolved, in terms of Turn Order, then
I propose this:
1) BluarianKnight use Roleblock (P3) on Jim Groovester
2) While that is happening, Jim Groovester do no action
3) I'll use my Steal (P10) on Jim Groovester to confirm if he actually has Redirect.. or any other potentially malicious abilities
that Jim never disclosed.
The logic is this: If BluarianKnight truly isn't Mafia, and is consistent with being truthful of having
Roleblock, and being Town, then Jim Groovester could be stopped from possibly doing a Kill action (P7) on me.
My Steal would also act as an impromptu ad-hoc "Inspection," since I'd able to deduct the truth from my Steal results.
If Jim Groovester is truly not Maifa, however, and a Kill action is successful on me, then we know BluarianKnight is the Mafia;
logic being that my Steal results would finally line up with what Jim Groovester was claiming all along the entire game,
thus BluarianKnight being finally 100% suspect in my eyes, they would have to maneuver to kill me;
along with the added fact that I specifically requested for Roleblock support on Jim Groovester (who I heavily suspect as Mafia),
but with me still ending up dead.
I don't have to use Steal to determine if BluarianKnight is telling the truth about their abilities, because I they have been
consistent in their claims of Roleblocking, along with the key detail of Knightwing64's Auto-Revive ability being Blocked; a fact
BluarianKnight admitted to outright.
Though, I do have to use Steal on Jim Groovester to finally find the truth. Every instance he's claimed to have
had used Redirect... has been very shaky so far.
Oliverz144 initially called out Jim Groovester possibly lying about Redirect; along with the
fact it's still not concrete if there is any truth to Jim's previous claim, that he used Redirect against BluarianKnight toward EuchreJack. If that was the full truth, then Knightwing64 would have either been saved altogether, or would have been Revived without his
Auto-Revive being blocked at all. Nobody else has claimed to have had Roleblock except BluarianKnight this entire game.
TricMagic really has no room in this proposition, since he has apparently used up all his 1-Use abilities.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 07:01:46 pm
I initially wrote up my final decision, but before I post it, I want to take your advice and ask @webadict directly. I want to be at least 85% sure before I post.Correct. Redirection works at the time of the priority on the Action. (Typically 4, but sometimes Actions are, naturally, not as expected.)
Redirection merely changes the Target being Targeted, correct? The effects of the entire turn order for the Night does take effect until everything is processed?
This means is a Player's Action has resolved BEFORE the Redirection, the target change has no effect, and if it is AFTER the Redirection, the the target is changed.
I just want to double confirm it with webadict:Voting for No one is absolutely allowed. In Miseliminate and Lose, voting No one is a valid solution, since the Mafia typically only have one kill.
In this Miseliminate-or-Lose, is it MANDATORY to vote for a player at this phase type? Is going for the "no option" not allowed? This was never deliberatively specified. All the notary says that if we eliminate the wrong person would bring a likely result of losing the game, and that our votes are permanent.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 07:05:24 pm
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BluarianKnight - 2 - TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8385234#msg8385234), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8385235#msg8385235),
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 0 -
Not Voting - 2 - BluarianKnight, Lidku,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 29, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (~24 hours remaining).
Post by: TricMagic on June 28, 2022, 07:13:19 pm
Either way, tomorrow BlueKnight dies.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 07:38:56 pm
For a theoretical night 4, Jim redirects Blue. You die, or live to inspect BlueKnight. I do bupkiss cause I got nothing left to synthesize.
Either way, tomorrow BlueKnight dies.
Though, alright. Considering the fact my Inspection clued Jim as "Town," I guess I'll have to take that (though I really hope his role doesn't have some Godfather-like aura/modifier this whole time.. which still puts doubt in my choice in believing that he may be Town). I'll wait for BluarianKnight to say what they're supposedly going to post and then make my final deciding vote. The general inactivity from them is making me just want to vote for them, and get this over with, but I can sympathize if they're genuinely busy with IRL activities.
Though, I just want to ask you TricMagic: why did you flip from not suspecting BluarianKnight anymore, to suspecting Jim, then toward suspecting BluarianKnight again? Any reason for that? Your reason for switching back was pretty weak, tbh. Do you want to just rush the game along due to boredom, perhaps? I'm new to Mafia, but I think even you should know that these games are long by design.
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 28, 2022, 08:04:57 pm
I don't think I'm escaping this vote, so hit me. I've been a little too scatterbrained to commit much, and I don't have much evidence to point at Jim with.. but I think it's Jim.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 08:16:37 pm
Even with webadict clearing up Turn Order resolutions to me, and Jim Groovester still having a save toward why his Redirect didn't save Knightwing64... His Oliverz144 accusation still has not been definitively cleared...
I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
He said he Redirected Oliverz144 toward Maximum Spin. If that was the case, Oliverz144 would have discovered who the killer was. Instead, that didn't happen at all; which makes me lean toward Jim Groovester being deceptionatory about having Redirect at all still.. Like Oliverz144 mentioned before.. something just doesn't seem right about this at all.
Redirect is P4 and Oliverz144's unique Track/Watch combined ability was P10. Oliverz144 mentioned he used the WATCH portion his P10 ability on me, since he suspected me to be the N1 kill. A Kill, as an action within itself, is P7. With Jim Groovester's claimed Redirect, Oliverz144 SHOULD have learned who the Killer was, since Watch reveals all actions other Players do on your Target. Jim HAS to be lying..
Honestly?
I don't think I'm escaping this vote, so hit me. I've been a little too scatterbrained to commit much, and I don't have much evidence to point at Jim with.. but I think it's Jim.
C'mon! Don't give up on me. Did you see my proposal?
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 28, 2022, 08:32:49 pm
Also, I'd like to relay my reason why I still strongly suspect Jim Groovester, to some extent.
Even with webadict clearing up Turn Order resolutions to me, and Jim Groovester still having a save toward why his Redirect didn't save Knightwing64... His Oliverz144 accusation still has not been definitively cleared...I redirected Oliverz144 to Maximum Spin.
He said he Redirected Oliverz144 toward Maximum Spin. If that was the case, Oliverz144 would have discovered who the killer was. Instead, that didn't happen at all; which makes me lean toward Jim Groovester being deceptionatory about having Redirect at all still.. Like Oliverz144 mentioned before.. something just doesn't seem right about this at all.
Redirect is P4 and Oliverz144's unique Track/Watch combined ability was P10. Oliverz144 mentioned he used the WATCH portion his P10 ability on me, since he suspected me to be the N1 kill. A Kill, as an action within itself, is P7. With Jim Groovester's claimed Redirect, Oliverz144 SHOULD have learned who the Killer was, since Watch reveals all actions other Players do on your Target. Jim HAS to be lying..Honestly?
I don't think I'm escaping this vote, so hit me. I've been a little too scatterbrained to commit much, and I don't have much evidence to point at Jim with.. but I think it's Jim.
C'mon! Don't give up on me. Did you see my proposal?
From what I know, Mafia chooses what wins ties. So I'm dead either way.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 08:41:32 pm
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 28, 2022, 08:55:38 pm
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 09:05:42 pm
You are torn between it being BluarianKnight and, well, no one. After a bit of decision-making, Jim says, "Well, if we can't make up our mind, then I'm gonna just tell Webley it's BluarianKnight."
The group, and especially BluarianKnight complain a bit, but TricMagic has already decided with Jim, and when Webley arrives, Jim steps forward, holding a myriad of sandwiches.
"These were in all of their lockers. It was actually all of them, they confessed."
The group is awestruck, looking at Jim with gaping mouths at the sheer blatant lie he tells, but you're all fired before it can be straightened out.
Jim Groovester then eats a celebratory sandwich from the work fridge.
Vote Count
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BluarianKnight - 2 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8385235#msg8385235), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8385234#msg8385234),
Jim Groovester - 0 -
Lidku - 0 -
TricMagic - 0 -
No One - 1 - BluarianKnight* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179912.msg8385280#msg8385280),
Not Voting - 1 - Lidku,
3 to Hammer. Day ends on June 29, 2022 at 20:00 CDT (23 hours and 2 minutes remaining.)
Vote is tied (at best) and the Mafia chooses...
BluarianKnight has been chosen for execution.
BluarianKnight is a Necromancer (Town).
Game Over. Mafia (EuchreJack and Jim Groovester) win!
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BluarianKnight
Role Name: Necromancer
Alignment: Town
Abilities:
(Auto) Restless Undead: Once per Game while you’re dead, you may submit a vote to the moderator that is added to the final vote count for the next End of Day. If this results in a tie, your vote breaks that tie.
Tags: Death
{P3} (Night) Spook [target]: You send a couple skeletons to scare the target. The target will be roleblocked, but they will not be told they were roleblocked.
Tags: Block
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 09:10:49 pm
Discord for the game, including Deadchat and Mafiachat.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15f43w-WKOU6TZVnVwivhCSyWdur-HDsnZIjyIA_VQqk/edit?usp=sharing
Document with roles.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ETbNTkTbVFwRdDegB9F8VKminH38rnk6yoB92e8vbfM/edit?usp=sharing
Sheet with Night Actions.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 09:12:07 pm
I hope everyone had fun playing our first ever Beginner BYOR game!
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 09:14:30 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 09:19:41 pm
Re-Reading the thread, I've found a lot of instances of Jim Groovester flip-flopping on whether BluarianKnight is actual scum or not.. and just generally being bizarre on some reads.
CM = Commentary
For all that, we've lost the ability to choose if Lidku is town. Which I feel he is. So I'll put my money there too, EucrheJack.
I really hope EuchreJack is scum because in order for town to win if he's not is for BluarianKnight, EuchreJack, and I all to agree on somebody to lynch and the only two people we could all agree on is TricMagic or Lidku (CM: Really? Only EuchreJack, the outed Mafia, had suspected me. Also, both TricMagic and BluarianKnight briefly came to a consensus that it was either between Jim and Jack being a team before this previously... all that posturing to somewhat defend EuchreJack and he was discovered as Mafia..) and I don't see that happening.
I think it's BK here.
Unless Lidku is a psychopath and hated EuchreJack there's basically no way he's scum. I'd be very surprised if TricMagic is scum and if he is then he's playing a hell of a game.
(CM: After the previous bizarre read on either me or TricMagic being scum, and saying supposedly everyone else was thinking so, when that decidedly wasn't the case, now Jim does a blitz toward BluarianKnight? Really suspicious...)
I did nothing; there was no good choice to redirect the night kill to.
Let's see.
As I mentioned during Day 3 the game didn't immediately end when Lidku voted EuchreJack so that means there was at least one scum between the two of them-
(CM: No. You said that either you, EuchreJack, and BluarianKnight would have to vote to lynch either me or TricMagic; which was not feasible, since me, TricMagic, and BluarianKnight started to suspect you previously on D3...)
-it's technically possible that they could both be scum but I feel like that's a vanishingly small chance. For how much Lidku had to say about me during Day 3 he could have voted me instead, and this would have worked out better for a Lidku/EuchreJack team than Lidku voting EuchreJack. I don't think Lidku is worth considering as scum here.
TricMagic has been active, aggressive, and confrontational. If TricMagic is scum then his game is significantly different than in the Headhunter where he was much more reserved. TricMagic THUNDERDOMED BluarianKnight which is stupid but is an action I much more readily see a town player calling for than a scum player. TricMagic spent a large portion of Day 1 and a bit of Day 2 trying to get EuchreJack lynched, and TricMagic cast the second vote on EuchreJack during Day 3, essentially sealing his fate. If TricMagic is scum then even with Lidku's vote on EuchreJack a TricMagic/EuchreJack team still has a viable option of pulling out a Day 3 win by trying to convince me to vote for BluarianKnight before EuchreJack, but TricMagic decides not to pursue that option, opting instead to put EuchreJack at L-1, which if he were scum would be incredibly cutthroat and ruthless of him. I think the likelier explanation for TricMagic's behavior is that he's town. As Lidku points out EuchreJack consistently since the start of the game reads TricMagic as town which is an odd interaction, but while EuchreJack's interactions with TricMagic are off, TricMagic's interactions with EuchreJack seem normal enough.
BluarianKnight has played somewhat passively and more often than not has faded into the background during days due to low activity relative to other players. Day 1 BluarianKnight goes after Roden-
(CM: They didn't really go after Roden, just analyzed them.)
-and the case is somewhat sensible (if eventually incorrect) but then goes after Oliverz144 with kind of a low effort case. During Night 1 BluarianKnight says Oliverz144 is noob town, then later on in Day 2 reverses the read and suspects Oliverz144 again. The reversal of attitude regarding Oliverz144 is something I noted during Day 2 and is something I find concerning. Day 3 BK doesn't do much but given how the day unfolded that's not really that surprising or that damning. On Day 1 BK goes after TricMagic for being too aggressive against EuchreJack which was a strange interaction that I noted during Day 1-
(CM: Yet later on, BluarianKnight changes their opinion and switches back to suspecting Oliverz144, who everyone was heavily suspecting already. You were in the vote and also somewhat led the charge against Oliverz144, remember?)
-During Day 2 EuchreJack votes BluarianKnight twice but the votes don't seem serious and don't go anywhere. Rather than try to get momentum on BluarianKnight EuchreJack decides to hammer Oliverz144. Given the weaker play and the lack of significant interaction between BluarianKnight and EuchreJack I think BK's play can plausibly be weak town and can also plausibly be weak scum.-
(CM: That's not really a definitive conclusion.. at all. Sounds like something to say just fluff, to put toward pivoting interest)
This makes the BluarianKnight/EuchreJack team the most likely in my opinion and therefore BluaranKnight as the likeliest final scum player. There's also that BluarianKnight is always scum and never not scum so he has that working against him as well.
I'll wait for TricMagic and BluarianKnight to show up and say their piece but I'm reasonably confident it's BluarianKnight.
(CM: Generally, I find the read kinda weak. You didn't even mention or really acknowledged BluarianKnight's roleblock ability; especially it was instrumental toward getting TricMagic to suspect EuchreJack again, along with the fact that BluarianKnight has been consistence from the start of claiming they've had roleblock)
-....
WTF! I KNEW IT! I WAS STILL TYPING!!
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 09:22:24 pm
WTF! I KNEW IT! I WAS STILL TYPING!!Sorry. You actually almost carried the Town to victory single-handedly, too!
Post by: Egan_BW on June 28, 2022, 09:30:07 pm
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 09:42:03 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 09:43:40 pm
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a revive and a kill in a 9p mafia game
Good grief I'm lucky the night game in BYORs is almost completely incomprehensible most of the time. Dodged several bullets this game.
Pushing BluarianKnight to do a No Vote was a critical mistake on my part. They were demoralized from playing the game from outside IRL conditions.
After TricMagic voted BluarianKnight I don't think there really was much that could be done.
Post by: Lidku on June 28, 2022, 09:48:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 09:53:07 pm
The game could've technically continued if BK wasn't the one to be lynched because I had no way to deal with the roleblock, but given the composition at the end of the game I don't think that was going to happen.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 10:21:22 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2022, 10:37:22 pm
Spoiler: My feelings (click to show/hide)
Post by: Egan_BW on June 28, 2022, 10:50:16 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 10:57:22 pm
I warned people about roles, man, all game long. I shut up when it benefited me though.
Post by: ToonyMan on June 28, 2022, 11:13:15 pm
So I did have mod confirmation throughout D4, although I was already convinced of Jim.Oh my god Jim is still alive and being lazy? He's mafia. Who's it with? I don't know I'm not really following closely...Jack or Tric?EuchreJack. Tric is being too ridiculous to be Mafia.
That's all I want to say.
You really carried town hard at the end there Lidku even if it didn't work out. You were emitting townie energy by giving a ton of effort that also had purpose. I hope I can play a game with you in the future.
For example:
Even when you were told Jim was town, you were still uncomfortable and were giving thoughts and commentary on his posts still. The suspicion was clearly still there because your natural talent/instinct was telling you something was wrong.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.No longer a dunce...oh wait it's still theeeere.
I warned people about roles, man, all game long. I shut up when it benefited me though.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 28, 2022, 11:20:54 pm
No longer a dunce...oh wait it's still theeeere.
I've grown attached to it and it makes me laugh.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 11:36:22 pm
You really carried town hard at the end there Lidku even if it didn't work out. You were emitting townie energy by giving a ton of effort that also had purpose. I hope I can play a game with you in the future.No joke, I think everyone would call Lidku MVP this game. I mean, Jim won for his team, but Lidku absolutely did work there.
For example:
Even when you were told Jim was town, you were still uncomfortable and were giving thoughts and commentary on his posts still. The suspicion was clearly still there because your natural talent/instinct was telling you something was wrong.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 28, 2022, 11:46:17 pm
+1 to that.You really carried town hard at the end there Lidku even if it didn't work out. You were emitting townie energy by giving a ton of effort that also had purpose. I hope I can play a game with you in the future.No joke, I think everyone would call Lidku MVP this game. I mean, Jim won for his team, but Lidku absolutely did work there.
For example:
Even when you were told Jim was town, you were still uncomfortable and were giving thoughts and commentary on his posts still. The suspicion was clearly still there because your natural talent/instinct was telling you something was wrong.
Only reason town lost is because this was Lidku's first game on this forum. A few of the technical issues hindered them (not knowing about the vote locking, not realizing how much Webby loves Godfathers). Otherwise, yeah Jack & Jim would have lost.
...although, if everyone reads the scumchat, you'll clearly see that Jim actually lost until Blue blocked Jim. Jim was going to kill Lidku & that Townclear, which would have likely lead to a three player ELO where Blue & Tric might be able to clear each other. But then Jim's NK didn't go through, and we had this MLO.
Congrats Jim! We is the winners!
Totally claiming 50% of the credit, even though my contribution was no more than 25%.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 11:48:37 pm
Moderator Notes:
If I had to go through and change some things, my biggest concern was BluarianKnight's role, which was too powerful as Town. I'd probably drop the Roleblock to a 2-Shot, and call it a day. That way it can't endlessly be used to stall the game. My second biggest concern was Oliverz144's role, which could've used some tweaking. It did too much for what it was, even with its limitations. I think I'd probably re-design the role a bit so that there's something a bit more... Balancey? Maybe balance is an Ice Cream Vendor role? I'd probably do that, but as a 1-shot, with some sort of protective Auto.
For the Mafia, Jim's role was a bit weaker than intended, but he got maximum utilization out of the role! He killed through Knightwing's Auto and got Inspected. I guess he never really used the Redirection, though. Almost maximum utilization.
Knightwing's role could've been a bit different. I wanted to try a One-Shot Vig in the game. It's a bit silly, but it felt kinda fair.
Post by: webadict on June 28, 2022, 11:52:47 pm
My thought behind it is that it allows for less confirmation, like how I treat redirections/busses, meaning that a Town RBer can't simply confirm themselves by blocking someone each Night.
The thought is that Actions should be less confirmable by the person being Acted upon.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 29, 2022, 12:03:25 am
Overall, good job on designing roles that downright punished mechanical solving. I think you taught some valuable lessons to all of us.
I also think casting a veteran like Jim as mafia was a good way for all of us to learn. Would suggest putting a veteran on the scum team again, to whatever degree that can be done without tipping off players to suspect all veterans as scum. Scum IC if scum team would otherwise be n00bs?
Post by: Lenglon on June 29, 2022, 12:46:38 am
Post by: Roden on June 29, 2022, 03:51:10 am
Absolutely, the turnaround from Day 1 to Day 3 was nuts.You really carried town hard at the end there Lidku even if it didn't work out. You were emitting townie energy by giving a ton of effort that also had purpose. I hope I can play a game with you in the future.No joke, I think everyone would call Lidku MVP this game. I mean, Jim won for his team, but Lidku absolutely did work there.
For example:
Even when you were told Jim was town, you were still uncomfortable and were giving thoughts and commentary on his posts still. The suspicion was clearly still there because your natural talent/instinct was telling you something was wrong.
Post by: Lidku on June 29, 2022, 06:16:28 am
Post by: Secretdorf on June 29, 2022, 07:05:30 am
Come on guys necromancer can't be mafia everytime, I was just joking.
Post by: TricMagic on June 29, 2022, 07:33:58 am
Post by: webadict on June 29, 2022, 08:15:29 am
I think all roles should have been weaker, personally. Like everyone gets a one shot, more like in Fallacy's tournament.I thought about really weak roles, but it didn't seem as fun when I was thought-testing it. I think having some roles with just one-shot Action is fine (Like Knightwing), but I like people feeling like they can do a particular something in the game. Knightwing could kill and revive! That felt strong.
Overall, good job on designing roles that downright punished mechanical solving. I think you taught some valuable lessons to all of us.
I also think casting a veteran like Jim as mafia was a good way for all of us to learn. Would suggest putting a veteran on the scum team again, to whatever degree that can be done without tipping off players to suspect all veterans as scum. Scum IC if scum team would otherwise be n00bs?
As for trying to break the game mechanically, I always warn you that you will be sorry for trying to mass claim.
Non-notifying roleblocks just feel like a scum power to me. Mostly cause their is absolutely no way to confirm them.This was absolutely on purpose. I made EuchreJack's role sound Town and BluarianKnight's role sound scum. Roleblocks unintentionally are stronger as a Town tool than a scum tool, in that they normally notify the user and the usee that each are accounted for that Night.
If anything, take it as a lesson that I have and will continue to design Town roles that literally kill everyone! Not as punishment or anything, but because it's no fun if every scum role sounds like a scum role and Town roles sound like Town roles.
It also disencentivizes trying to break the game. If you can't confirm everyone's Action, you have to deduce based on the remaining clues. Yes, it is a good step trying to confirm as many people as possible, but if you can't solve the game that way, then utilize what you can!
Basically, it was something new that I thought was useful to test. Personally, it felt like a success story to me, but I was trying to see if it was too confusing to keep (Plus, the inherent using of certain Abilities (like X-shots) while blocked feels a bit unfair.) But I'll work around that next game.
Post by: Knightwing64 on June 29, 2022, 08:28:45 am
Lidku assuming that Jim couldn’t be mafia after he voted Jack was a bad move. Also, They exposed Jim in like 3 ways and then backed off after Jim acted angrish and gave baseless assumptions. Other then that, you played way better then me.
Tric? I actually thought he was third mafia. He ignored all the (obvious) evidence and voted Blue for no reason other then the fact that Jim said so. Not only that, but he DOUBLED down after Lidku gave even MORE evidence and then said “either way, blue dies tonight” which apparently nobody but me thought was extremely suspect.
Even before that, it got to the point where Tric was acting so obviously scummy that my last action before dying was to try to kill him.
Ughhhhhhh
This was a good game, but it got me so aggravated with how town was ignoring all evidence and just sheeping the mafia. Blue didn’t even defend themselves, Tric was more mafia then the actual mafia, and Lidku was too passive and backed off of Jim way too easily.
Now, all of the players I mentioned are pretty much better then me, but these moments just has me extremely annoyed.
It was a good game though. Fun playing
Post by: Lidku on June 29, 2022, 09:00:39 am
Post by: EuchreJack on June 29, 2022, 03:13:57 pm
BruhhhhhhPoint taken ;D
Lidku assuming that Jim couldn’t be mafia after he voted Jack was a bad move. Also, They exposed Jim in like 3 ways and then backed off after Jim acted angrish and gave baseless assumptions. Other then that, you played way better then me.
Tric? I actually thought he was third mafia. He ignored all the (obvious) evidence and voted Blue for no reason other then the fact that Jim said so. Not only that, but he DOUBLED down after Lidku gave even MORE evidence and then said “either way, blue dies tonight” which apparently nobody but me thought was extremely suspect.
Even before that, it got to the point where Tric was acting so obviously scummy that my last action before dying was to try to kill him.
Ughhhhhhh
This was a good game, but it got me so aggravated with how town was ignoring all evidence and just sheeping the mafia. Blue didn’t even defend themselves, Tric was more mafia then the actual mafia, and Lidku was too passive and backed off of Jim way too easily.
Now, all of the players I mentioned are pretty much better then me, but these moments just has me extremely annoyed.
It was a good game though. Fun playing
Post by: BluarianKnight on June 29, 2022, 08:01:07 pm
... Blu necro again? ???
Come on guys necromancer can't be mafia everytime, I was just joking.
the one game I am town, pff. I picked Necro hoping for mafia.
Also, serious apologies for dropping the ball end game.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 29, 2022, 08:05:18 pm
... Blu necro again? ???
Come on guys necromancer can't be mafia everytime, I was just joking.
the one game I am town, pff. I picked Necro hoping for mafia.
Also, serious apologies for dropping the ball end game.
What?
I thought you were always complaining about rolling Mafia and how you never get to play Town.