IN
PTW only.As last stated, count me out.
Just general heads up that i will probably be lower energy than usual this time though.Great, we're up to Nine Again!
Alright maggots, give me your personal lists of how easy it is to read each player ASAP.
-RP disguises tone. How long are you going to keep this up?
why?To stroke my ego.
Wait, sorry, that was for Toony. Have both of you been screwing around with avatars?I wouldn't change during a game.
SPC Lenglon internally sighs, knowing that she has to deal with these absurd whims of her mindless platoon sergeant, and gets moving at a controlled jog, having every intent of slowing to a walk the moment she's out of sight of the asshole who thinks people will sprint 40 km nonstop while carrying a full load of equipment, and for the meantime she just focuses on her breathing.
Once she's in the clear and had a chance to her breath, she takes a moment to assess the gear of her squadmates, not expecting to find anything out of place, but knowing it's worth checking just in case.
"Hey Knightwing, who you plannin on shooting in the back this time?"
The fuck is this Web? Give me 20!ok sir
Lidku: Under what circumstances would you shoot someone N1?
So you would only shoot someone nobody else suspected?Lidku: Under what circumstances would you shoot someone N1?
Considering that our rifles only have 1 bullet only, I would only save it for someone I absolutely find suspicious; AND only if they're going under the radar of Town and everyone for some reason doesn't suspect them.
So you would only shoot someone nobody else suspected?Lidku: Under what circumstances would you shoot someone N1?
Considering that our rifles only have 1 bullet only, I would only save it for someone I absolutely find suspicious; AND only if they're going under the radar of Town and everyone for some reason doesn't suspect them.
Lidku, how would you characterise your mafia playstyle?
Yes, because a Mafia who stays under the radar and nobody suspects them, nets a high chance of Town losing. And that would be the best efficient use of the 1-Kill everyone has; because after that, besides the bullet-proof vest, you become regular town.Hm. So if a handful of players you thought were town were also suspicious of the player, you wouldn't shoot them?
Though this all predicates on someone I strongly suspect is Mafia to begin with, and I'm usually very conservative on who I begin to suspect.
I've only ever been Mafia once, so I'd say I haven't really developed a particular "Mafia playstyle". I was and still am a complete noob, Town or Mafia-wise.Actually I meant the opposite, what's your playstyle for mafia-the-game-not-mafia-the-role. Or more clearly: how do you intend to catch scum? Scum tells? Slips? Night actions? Sheeping a player you think is town? What else?
Hm. So if a handful of players you thought were town were also suspicious of the player, you wouldn't shoot them?
how do you intend to catch scum? Scum tells? Slips? Night actions? Sheeping a player you think is town? What else?
I used to mostly just go by mechanics, but that was because in the BYOR games I've been playing. In those games it's intentional for everyone to have unbalanced abilities, unlike a default game that has more balanced roles.Can you think of any posting behaviour that scum did in a game that afterwards was obvious (even if you didn't see it at the time)?
Now I do a mix of looking at mechanics and posting behavior.
"Hey, NQT, seems like lots a folks think they can read you easy. Whys' that?"Captain NQT sits down, and muses over the question while picking at the seam on his bullet-proof vest.
I Tend To Read As Scum Without Good Enough Reasonits ok im good guy i only fite bad guys my gun doesnt even have rael bullets
Max
Web
( I like roleplay, it’s fun)whoa a metal? how do i get a metal captain?
“You accusing me of being a traitor, Max? Well you are darn tooting wrong, and I have the badges to prove it.”
Knightwing64 shoves a Medal of Honor at Max, asserting dominance over the haters
"I can think of two recent incidents... there was when I was the leader of a valiant division (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179819.msg8373262#msg8373262) and through my forthrightness and direct dealing with my troop, I establish an easy rapport and trust early. That cohesion won the day."So you have proven capable of showing your loyalty early and effectively in the past, and that is why. Thank you."
"And then there was the time I proposed a risky battle strategy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393588#msg8393588), which involved leaking some plans to the enemy in exchange for momentum on the battlefield. People sure as hell didn't like my plan, but it established my credibility in some of their eyes and our side swiftly won the day regardless.
"That enough intelligence for you?"
Lenglon: Are you roleplaying in this game because you want to be more lowkey/"low energy (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180168.msg8400627#msg8400627)" this time around?((fixed your link, quote my post and yours sometime so you can see the difference and why my link works and yours is broken))
Jim - He's pretty experienced, but I did read him in two posts last game. I don't think he'll let that happen twice though.
Wait, sorry, that was for Toony. Have both of you been screwing around with avatars?
Lidku: Under what circumstances would you shoot someone N1?
Considering that our rifles only have 1 bullet only, I would only save it for someone I absolutely find suspicious; AND only if they're going under the radar of Town and everyone for some reason doesn't suspect them.
nightwing talking in red makes people mad kinda like bulls so dont do it
Aww, I didn't get to be scum again this time.
I don't like roleplay, so Knightwing and Lenglon are clearly the mafia.
Webadict for now.
You doin' okay there Web?im not fried or a toddler im just doing what sarge told me to do
He motions to a nearby medical officer to come over.
The boy is fried, put'em on a stretcher and send him back home. We need soldiers, not toddlers!
Webadict for now.now i see why we dont talk in red it really does make people mad >:(
I can see why ToonyMan would vote webadict. He IS acting strange.You say that, but that's the first post of his I actually like...childish babbling aside.
"Okay, so apparently nobody can ever read Max. So until we have a reason to trust Max, or at least to trust someone else less than Max, I might as well vote him."Max seems like a good vote.
"Max, why should I think you're town? or at least more likely town than at least one other person?"
i think it not jim.(https://i.imgur.com/KUYtXJp.gif)
i think it not knightwing.
i think it not lidku.
i think it maybe not toony.
i think it maybe not lenglon.
i think it maybe max.
i think it maybe njw2000.
i think it maybe nqt.
that what i think
Big brain theory: Mafia are Max and NJW.Okay. Why?
*cracks knuckles*Big brain theory: Mafia are Max and NJW.Okay. Why?
Win-Con: You win if Mafia equal or exceed Town in numbers.
There are a lot of town resources in this game. 3.5 guaranteed kills if the town perfectly coordinates kills, along with lynches, which is absolutely ridiculous. In comparison the scum team can pull off two guaranteed kills before their one shots are out while the town still have their vests.Uh... could you explain this for me? Specifically the part about the scum team? What are the assumptions there?
Max hasn't told us if Knightwing is town or mafia yet, this is very odd.The hell I haven't? Who am I voting for again?
maximum spin is being mean to knightwing and he has a metal so i no hes a good guy otherwise i will be mad...Are you saying Max is wrong about Knightwing's performance this game vs his scum meta?
maybe maybe not it really depend because sometimes knightwing do this you no?maximum spin is being mean to knightwing and he has a metal so i no hes a good guy otherwise i will be mad...Are you saying Max is wrong about Knightwing's performance this game vs his scum meta?
maybe maybe not it really depend because sometimes knightwing do this you no?...I mean, that's reasonable. I don't think KW's posted enough to tell, although some people do seem to be able to read him very fast as well as very accurately.
There are a lot of town resources in this game. 3.5 guaranteed kills if the town perfectly coordinates kills, along with lynches, which is absolutely ridiculous. In comparison the scum team can pull off two guaranteed kills before their one shots are out while the town still have their vests.This is interesting, do you think it's worth co-ordinating town shots? I sort of assumed most players would shoot their shot on N1.
I changed my avatar after Beginner BYOR 1 to another picture of dunce Bison.It's looking good!
Aww, I didn't get to be scum again this time.Do you think it's an actual scumtell or are you going after an easy target?
I don't like roleplay, so Knightwing and Lenglon are clearly the mafia.
Do you think it's an actual scumtell or are you going after an easy target?Asked and answered.
So scum are Knightwing and Lenglon? Case closed.Max hasn't told us if Knightwing is town or mafia yet, this is very odd.The hell I haven't? Who am I voting for again?
Okay, maybe it went over your head. Knightwing has not posted a serious-sounding post yet this game. That's how I judge towniness of Knightwing. The roleplay provides a convenient excuse for covering up Knightwing's known tell, which is why I additionally suspect the one who kicked off the roleplay to have done it on purpose to protect him.
And notably, after doing so, I get voted by that very individual on shady, shaky grounds.
Maybe Knightwing will come back and sound real, I'm not saying this is absolute certainty that I can't change my mind about, but right now the balance is clear.
Followup question: Have you ever said "big brain theory" on d1 and been right? I'm not trying to bring you down, nobody's ever right on d1 unless it's real easy, but come on. I've already had it out with webadict over this kind of thing, and it's hilarious how similar you two are.
You're serious then?Do you think it's an actual scumtell or are you going after an easy target?Asked and answered.
Thanks for dropping rp. I’m reassured by the way you did it, but I don’t want to explain why just yet because my reasoning bears on other players in a way that isn’t settled.I'm only dropping it temporarily because I saw it being exploited to hide. I'll be bringing it back later when I think it won't be a problem.
Being voted for liking RP,You aren't being voted for liking RP. or at least I'm not suspicious of you for that and I don't think anyone else actually is either. You're being voted for active-lurking.
I think max doesn’t realize that people can change. Why would I act the exact same every game? That makes no sense, of course I’m going to be different every time. The last time you said I was mafia, I was town anyways. Your reasoning is flawed and unreliable.So the problem with your example of Max being wrong is that in the game you're referencing, Max was scum. What that implies is that Max wasn't actually wrong, Max was simply getting a townie lynched. So from the perspective of someone that trusts Max's reads of you, this is a thunderdome-type situation, where one or the other of you is scum, but not both. So it's a lynch KN and if town lynch Max kind of deal. You can even see this logic in Toony's post just above this one.
i do not think it lidku that is a bad shot on good guyI don't understand. could you explain please?
The last time you said I was mafia, I was town anyways. Your reasoning is flawed and unreliable.The last time I said you were mafia, I was and I was just trying to get you lynched. It also didn't work nearly as well for me as townreading you the previous time did so if I were mafia I'd go back to that again.
I don't understand either.i do not think it lidku that is a bad shot on good guyI don't understand. could you explain please?
Something weird did come up: Lidku's idea that you'd shoot mafia nobody else suspected. There are some reasons doing that could be an ok plan, but Lidku hasn't explained why stripping away a bulletproof vest would help if nobody was willing to go after the person with you.
Lidku: why would this be helpful?
Could it just be Knightwing and Lidku?Want to make a blood pact? If we vote off Knightwing and they're town then shoot me tonight and I'll shoot you.
Is the world truly so beautiful?
I'm going to leash a vote on webadict for now. He isn't acting like himself and his grammar is really bad on purpose. Something isn't right with him. He's either being a troll!Town or a Mafia trying to tone his posts as a troll!Town.This is a bad vote.
I'm going to leash a vote on webadict for now. He isn't acting like himself and his grammar is really bad on purpose. Something isn't right with him. He's either being a troll!Town or a Mafia trying to tone his posts as a troll!Town.ok but is i mafa or not? i feel maybe u red name nightwing first see how that go
This is a bad vote.
This is a bad vote.
It's obviously not my vote or a deterministic vote. It is just a "leash-vote" because I find the way webadict is acting/posting.. strange. The only "normal post" he had since the game started, was his initial read difficulty post.
Also, ToonyMan.. I don't get why you say it's a bad vote.. considering you also have voted for webadict for acting strangely just as I have (and you have yet to unvote them..). Can you explain why my vote along the same reasoning is bad, but yours specially isn't?toony vote push and feel town good lidku vote sit and look busy not good
Also, ToonyMan.. I don't get why you say it's a bad vote.. considering you also have voted for webadict for acting strangely just as I have (and you have yet to unvote them..). Can you explain why my vote along the same reasoning is bad, but yours specially isn't?
Also, ToonyMan.. I don't get why you say it's a bad vote.. considering you also have voted for webadict for acting strangely just as I have (and you have yet to unvote them..). Can you explain why my vote along the same reasoning is bad, but yours specially isn't?
I was re-reading the thread again (yeah, I mostly just skim at first when a large amount of time has passed with a lot of activity and I missed a lot) and apparently Lenglon is going to shoot me no matter what on N1, just because they flimsily suspect they're going to be the N1 kill?
Wut?
Worried about Lenglon possibly shooting you tonight?
I have no clue what you just said, I’m gonna be honestno problem i fix
If this is all you have, go back through the thread and scumhunt.
Maximum SpinAww, I didn't get to be scum again this time.Do you think it's an actual scumtell or are you going after an easy target?
I don't like roleplay, so Knightwing and Lenglon are clearly the mafia.
Lidku, why do you care that I'm going to shoot you?
Toony said they're going to shoot me tonight after Knightwing flips scum, and I honestly do not mind.
I have no clue what you just said, I’m gonna be honestno problem i fix
nightwing you say medic but tone say dont care and that bad guy say so why WE no red name YOU?
I’m… not scum? I mean, you can vote me, I guess. I’m kinda used to it at this point.(https://i.imgur.com/wx2skbL.gif)
What happened to don’t shoot the medic?
Whatever, you will all be sorry when I bring my medkits to the grave with me muhahahaha
Well, the game literally just started, so I’m not that attached, I mean, I would prefer not to get voted. But what can you do?Vote someone?
ok but thatI have no clue what you just said, I’m gonna be honestno problem i fix
nightwing you say medic but tone say dont care and that bad guy say so why WE no red name YOU?
Well, the game literally just started, so I’m not that attached, I mean, I would prefer not to get voted. But what can you do?
I obviously care because it would be a waste of my vest. I don't know why you think I wouldn't care.I'm town and I don't care.
I find both webadict and ToonyMan suspicious.This amuses me because I find them both extremely Towny.
I find both webadict and ToonyMan suspicious.ok find me bad guy ok cant say no
I find both webadict and ToonyMan suspicious.This amuses me because I find them both extremely Towny.
Oh, and I obviously don't mind getting shot tonight.
I'm going to keep my vote on webadict for now, just because I just don't find his post-style really worth bringing over to D2 (though I don't even know/doubt anyone is going to vote along with me). Toony is someone next in line I find suspicious right now.ok red name because think talk like bad guy
Lidku, why do you care that I'm going to shoot you?
Toony said they're going to shoot me tonight after Knightwing flips scum, and I honestly do not mind.
Knightwing
I'll shoot at Max tonight if Knightwing is town.
I'll shoot at...Lenglon if Knightwing is mafia? Max says people can't be right on Day 1 though...
Maybe I shoot Lidku regardless of Knightwing's alignment, they should be okay with that.
Pfpmetal is big badge knightwing earn in battle
Not 100% on Max, and KW is setting off some alarm bells with his claim but...
Toony, work me through your logic on shooting people if such and such a person flips. As it looks like what you're doing is win-win for a scum player. Like, "X has flipped town, so of course I shot Y as that's what I said I would do... too bad they're also town".
What's the rationale here?
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I don't mind the RP posts, I've played games all in character myself. That said, I am finding Web a little bit hard to parse. I wouldn't be surprised though if he has some kind of posting restriction.
Web, what is metal?
KW is setting off some alarm bells with his claim but...
KW is setting off some alarm bells with his claim but...If Knightwing really is Town and a Medic, him revealing this early was a real bad move.
Still need to hear fromNQT andJim Groovester... heyoo Jim, still voting you.
I blame Toony.
Lenglon: What's your read on me now, now that I'm more "engaged"? Do you still think it's worth to use a 1-shot bullet on me on N1, irregardless of the circumstances?I think you have a weak grounding in theory and should look up how abilities work, but you don't seem scummy at the moment. I'm considering not shooting tonight because I'm not happy with any targets other than Knightwing, who I would be voting but I don't want him at H-1, and who I am currently assuming will be today's lynch barring sudden weirdness.
I don't think Jim is going to post today. He might be busy with IRL things.Different tells are of different value for different people. Disengagement from you Lidku is scummier than the exact same level of disengagement from Jim is. Just like piss-poor analysis is much scummier from Jim than it is from you.
Though, this makes me wonder if Lenglon is going to switch from shooting me N1, to shooting Jim N1 for "disengagement". Is the arrangement only a special order for me only? Or does it not discern?
Different tells are of different value for different people. Disengagement from you Lidku is scummier than the exact same level of disengagement from Jim is. Just like piss-poor analysis is much scummier from Jim than it is from you.
The reasons he's being voted for are actually pretty solid. And yes, if Knightwing isn't today's lynch I will be shooting him tonight without the slightest regret unless something changes.Different tells are of different value for different people. Disengagement from you Lidku is scummier than the exact same level of disengagement from Jim is. Just like piss-poor analysis is much scummier from Jim than it is from you.
So a wishy-washy "special order arrangement" type of line of decisioneering, got it. Could have said that, instead your fruitful comment at the end there. And that's confident assumption of you to think Knightwing might be the D1 lynch here, considering every voter against him right now either has poor reasoning or a suspicious reasoning to do so. If he isn't lynched D1, will you shoot him?
And while we're at right, you said you're reasoning for finding Knightwing suspicious was that "he was active lurking"? I assume what you mean by this, was that you checked his profile and saw he was online, but he wasn't posting?Active lurking is when you are actively making posts and comments in the mafia thread but they don't have anything to do with scumhunting. for example:
Well Jim is doing the same exact thing now, only he has the lowest activity out of everyone right now. Can you explain finding Knigtwing suspicious for "active lurking", but not Jim, who is doing so now?
DelightfulThis is active lurking.
Toony, work me through your logic on shooting people if such and such a person flips. As it looks like what you're doing is win-win for a scum player. Like, "X has flipped town, so of course I shot Y as that's what I said I would do... too bad they're also town".I shoot people based on flip, simple to understand. What's the problem?
What's the rationale here?
Toony, when I asked, ignored my question on why he voted for you.Maybe Knightwing can answer me and not ignore me.
Right now I'm waiting for Max's response to my blood pact.Oh yeah, sorry. Nah, I'm not feeling it at the moment. I think there are people who deserve shooting more than you. Also I'm not really a suicide pact kind of guy. I just don't have that self-sacrifice instinct; getting killed and winning is better than getting killed and losing, but it's still not as good as surviving and winning. Maybe you could offer a vote pact instead?
Oh, I also wanted to add, Lidku seems to be going hard OMGUSing anyone who voted Knightwing. It's honestly at that point where I start to doubt it could really be that obvious.I don't understand why Lidku is hard defending Knightwing when Mr. Wing of the Knights can do it themselves.
What did you even ask me?Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Maximum Spin
Have that for some scum hunting
What did you even ask me?I liked it better in Demon Mafia where you guilt-tripped the hell out of us after being caught. You could at least put a little effort in.
Maximum Spin
Have that for some scum hunting
You should maybe check the scumchat of BeBYOR2 with me and Lidku. He's really, really reactive and I don't think he could help himself if they were scum together.Oh, I also wanted to add, Lidku seems to be going hard OMGUSing anyone who voted Knightwing. It's honestly at that point where I start to doubt it could really be that obvious.I don't understand why Lidku is hard defending Knightwing when Mr. Wing of the Knights can do it themselves.
@Knightwing:To be honest, I took advantage of the fact that he genuinely did look shadier than usual, which is why I'm still feeling leery this time: it's not impossible that his gameplay has genuinely just gotten worse and I'm reading too much into it.
So I take it you believe Many Rotations is mafia and trying to mislynch you again? Can you convince me this is the case? I didn't fully read that game. This is the perfect chance to show your stuff.
people who have one brain cell combined(Also, not sure this is a good way to get ANYONE to stop voting you, lol)
Oh, I also wanted to add, Lidku seems to be going hard OMGUSing anyone who voted Knightwing. It's honestly at that point where I start to doubt it could really be that obvious.
Finally, I guess this is for Lidku too, but can you tell me why webadict's ... thing, I guess it's not strictly "roleplaying", but thing, is more likely to be town than Knightwing's? There is a reason. I want to see if you can see it.
It's not about the RP, bro.Oh, I also wanted to add, Lidku seems to be going hard OMGUSing anyone who voted Knightwing. It's honestly at that point where I start to doubt it could really be that obvious.
Like NQT said initially, you going for Knightwing just seemed like low-hanging fruit and your justification for why was even more "specious" when you could have just voted for Lenglon who initially was even rp'ing just as much, and the one who started it.
Okay, that's not the right answer either.Finally, I guess this is for Lidku too, but can you tell me why webadict's ... thing, I guess it's not strictly "roleplaying", but thing, is more likely to be town than Knightwing's? There is a reason. I want to see if you can see it.
Both of them have non-serious in their posting. webadict is marginally more "serious", but I still think he isn't posting anything meaningful. Even with Knightwing dropping the "RP", his posts are troll-like.
(I might have COVID, and that means limited mental capacity and ability to function. Still in the "Test Negative, but who knows?" stage. So, uh, double check the vote counts, ok? And if I disappear at End Of Day or Hammer, just shut up and I'll get to processing the turn when able.)
Jim is disengaged
JimThere are a lot of town resources in this game. 3.5 guaranteed kills if the town perfectly coordinates kills, along with lynches, which is absolutely ridiculous. In comparison the scum team can pull off two guaranteed kills before their one shots are out while the town still have their vests.This is interesting, do you think it's worth co-ordinating town shots? I sort of assumed most players would shoot their shot on N1.
I don't mind the RP posts, I've played games all in character myself. That said, I am finding Web a little bit hard to parse. I wouldn't be surprised though if he has some kind of posting restriction.
Still need to hear fromNQT andJim Groovester... heyoo Jim, still voting you.
Jim: I meant the last game we were together in, which I think was Roden's Demon Mafia. Anyway:QuoteThere are a lot of town resources in this game. 3.5 guaranteed kills if the town perfectly coordinates kills, along with lynches, which is absolutely ridiculous. In comparison the scum team can pull off two guaranteed kills before their one shots are out while the town still have their vests.Uh... could you explain this for me? Specifically the part about the scum team? What are the assumptions there?
Max hasn't told us if Knightwing is town or mafia yet, this is very odd.The hell I haven't? Who am I voting for again?
Okay, maybe it went over your head. Knightwing has not posted a serious-sounding post yet this game. That's how I judge towniness of Knightwing. The roleplay provides a convenient excuse for covering up Knightwing's known tell, which is why I additionally suspect the one who kicked off the roleplay to have done it on purpose to protect him.
And notably, after doing so, I get voted by that very individual on shady, shaky grounds.
Followup question: Have you ever said "big brain theory" on d1 and been right? I'm not trying to bring you down, nobody's ever right on d1 unless it's real easy, but come on. I've already had it out with webadict over this kind of thing, and it's hilarious how similar you two are.
I don't think it's shooting-worthy disengagement NJW, however I am working on the assumption that I die tonight and so I either shoot or my shot is lost forever. That being the case, it's the best shot I have at this time. If I didn't think that I die tonight, then I wouldn't shoot at all at this time.
So you'd prefer I die without shooting instead of taking a bad shot? I can work with that but would like confirmation.
As a matter-of-fact, when Jim asked Toony why he voted for webadict, he just ignored Jim..
I'm going to leash a vote on webadict for now. He isn't acting like himself and his grammar is really bad on purpose. Something isn't right with him. He's either being a troll!Town or a Mafia trying to tone his posts as a troll!Town.
I'm going to keep my vote on webadict for now, just because I just don't find his post-style really worth bringing over to D2 (though I don't even know/doubt anyone is going to vote along with me). Toony is someone next in line I find suspicious right now.
Still need to hear fromNQT andJim Groovester... heyoo Jim, still voting you.
I don't think Jim is going to post today. He might be busy with IRL things.
Though, this makes me wonder if Lenglon is going to switch from shooting me N1, to shooting Jim N1 for "disengagement". Is the arrangement only a special order for me only? Or does it not discern?
Being voted for liking RP,
👁👄👁
I think max doesn’t realize that people can change. Why would I act the exact same every game? That makes no sense, of course I’m going to be different every time. The last time you said I was mafia, I was town anyways. Your reasoning is flawed and unreliable.
I’m… not scum? I mean, you can vote me, I guess. I’m kinda used to it at this point.
What happened to don’t shoot the medic?
Whatever, you will all be sorry when I bring my medkits to the grave with me muhahahaha
I have no clue what you just said, I’m gonna be honestno problem i fix
nightwing you say medic but tone say dont care and that bad guy say so why WE no red name YOU?
Well, the game literally just started, so I’m not that attached, I mean, I would prefer not to get voted. But what can you do?
Okay, that's not the right answer either.Finally, I guess this is for Lidku too, but can you tell me why webadict's ... thing, I guess it's not strictly "roleplaying", but thing, is more likely to be town than Knightwing's? There is a reason. I want to see if you can see it.
Both of them have non-serious in their posting. webadict is marginally more "serious", but I still think he isn't posting anything meaningful. Even with Knightwing dropping the "RP", his posts are troll-like.
These are not good reasons to vote webadict.
although maybe i will also red knightwing because maybe max is right but he still wont let me go withmaybe maybe not it really depend because sometimes knightwing do this you no?maximum spin is being mean to knightwing and he has a metal so i no hes a good guy otherwise i will be mad...Are you saying Max is wrong about Knightwing's performance this game vs his scum meta?
webadict - lean townwhat the
Max, something I'd like to point out is that Knightwing took a little bit of what we said last time he was scum and applied it here: He tried to play it a bit cool by ignoring us a bit. It's a bit circumstantial, but combined with his normal tendency to not comment on the gamestate, I've got odds on scum!Knightwing at about 90-95%, so I'm in if you are. I'm not even in favor of shooting you if you're wrong.Well, you know me well enough to know that at this point I'm committed. If I was going to change my vote I would've done it by now.
Also, it's in not a Max/Toony/Web team. I'm pretty sure all three of those are Town.You know what, I think you might just be right.
I'd like to point out that flip-flopping is actually more of a Towntell than a scumtell, but the best indicator for any scum action is reasoning.
What was my reasoning for flipping from Max to Knightwing? Calling it a flip-flop is, well, a bit overstatement, but the reasoning behind the flip-flop was solid, and it's why I think Toony and Max are Town
I still think you're just defending your scumpartner though, sorry.
the fact you were "barbarian-posting" as to not adequately explain your case in that time after, is/was suspicious.(I understood the point perfectly.)
And if Knightwing IS the lynch and he comes up Town, then mind regaling me on what you'd do next?I try never to commit to a specific kill if someone flips town, because that just looks like scum lining up targets. If Knightwing flips town, assume I reconsider everything and then do whatever I conclude is best.
( I like roleplay, it’s fun)
“You accusing me of being a traitor, Max? Well you are darn tooting wrong, and I have the badges to prove it.”
Knightwing64 shoves a Medal of Honor at Max, asserting dominance over the haters
ya ok i think knightwing took that metal from someone hes being reeeeeally suspishus
Point 1. Yes? I don't understand. I voted Maximum Spin and then I thought I'd try to see if Max was right and push Knightwing. I haven't seen you interact with the case in a positive way yet, and Max was starting right off the bat with it, which is a much higher risk for Maximum Spin to take, since he assuredly dies if he's scum at that point. Additionally, Knightwing hasn't really contributed at all. The best case you can make is that Knightwing started off neutrally and the pressure caused him to accidentally spew scum, but you're really focused on making this Max/web/Toony team work when you have to realize that at least one of those players has to be Town by virtue of there only being one scum.Quote from: webadictI'd like to point out that flip-flopping is actually more of a Towntell than a scumtell, but the best indicator for any scum action is reasoning.
Except for the fact that your flip-flop was 3 minutes after. 3 minutes. That's not reasonable as a scumtell and the fact you were "barbarian-posting" as to not adequately explain your case in that time after, is/was suspicious.
What reasoning? You were "barbarian-posting" and to me, nearly unintelligible in the majority of your posts. The flip-flop itself could have been you initially voting for Max, then Knightwing, to cast off suspicions that you both coordinating from a Mafia team chat.
And it's funny that you dropped your "act" after I confirmed I'd leave my vote on you. What happened to you only willing to drop it when someone specifically asked you to? Far as I can see, nobody did at all.
In contrary to that webadict, who you likely coordinated a vote with, isn't your current scumpartner? You and webadict seem particularly defensive and agree along with the same arguments.
I am going to shoot LidkuI fixed for me. I'll probably still shoot Lidku even if Knightwing is Town.if Knightwing is scum
I voted Maximum Spin and then I thought I'd try to see if Max was right and push Knightwing.
but you're really focused on making this Max/web/Toony team work when you have to realize that at least one of those players has to be Town by virtue of there only being one scum.
Point 3. Well, if I'm gonna be partners with anyone, I'm glad it's both Toony and Max. 3 player scumteams are OP in 9 player games.
I fixed for me. I'll probably still shoot Lidku even if Knightwing is Town.
Why are you so sure Knightwing64 is Town here? What has he done?
Maximum SpinAww, I didn't get to be scum again this time.Do you think it's an actual scumtell or are you going after an easy target?
I don't like roleplay, so Knightwing and Lenglon are clearly the mafia.
I feel like this is obvious at this point, but just to be totally clear, I never felt particularly strongly that Lenglon was suspicious for RPing, which is why I voted Knightwing, the one I was much more confident about, in that post. I mostly just called Lenglon out because I really don't like RPing and I want everyone to quit having fun because fun is a filthy parasite. I considered it a possibility that the RPing was a deliberate cover, but it was only a low-level suspicion and, at this point, I'd say it's become very much a minority concern for me.
Hmm, I like your spunk NQT. You went above and beyond the call of duty with extra categories of reads.
I'm gonna say NQT is town. Knigtwing is probably town too though I need to see non-roleplay posts.
Knightwing: webadict has dropped his act so far, can you give a defense on your side on why you're acting so strange?
Why are you so sure Knightwing64 is Town here? What has he done?
I'm not sure on whether or not Knight is truly Town or Mafia.
I blame Toony. Besides, I think I could… wait lemme check
Delightful
Have that for some scum hunting
Honestly, ever since I started a new year of school, I do seem more low energy on the internet. I don’t know if it’s the increased amount of work or what, but you guys are right and I should probably work on that.You know, there's a difference to me between you as scum and you as Town. I saw the Town you in BeBYOR 3, even though you were busy.
PS: I voted Max because they voted for me and I was mad. Literally, there was no higher brain processes involved,
This was not worth voting me over to remind me to answer compared to just reminding me in bold for when I get around to posting.Zero heat in response to me doing something stupid and annoying twice.
I can't decide if Lidku is scum or this is another example of him committing (and then doubling and tripling down) to an incorrect, off-base case.
I have a hard time balancing your opinions about all the players you think are scum for voting Knightwing64, and your actions regarding Knightwing64, and then this wishy-washy noncommittal opinion about Knightwing64 himself.
Like you've already picked out your scum team and want him to come in to defend himself but you preserve the possibility that Knightwing64 is scum?
NJW, Jim hasn't shown logical-me any real scumtells, but he does bother emotional-me and I still don't know why. I'm willing to shoot him tonight if you want to coordinate shots.
Lidku, I don't know where to start with you, but you'll have to assume that at least four people telling you your vote reasoning is bad might be a good launch point.
Let's pretend that flip-flopping is a scumtell
a flip-flop between posts in three minutes shows that there was some kind of thought that went on between posts.
But, flip-flopping isn't a bad thing, so even if that were the case, your evidence has to be that my flip-flop reasoning is scummy, not that the flip-flop is scummy.
You do realize that NQT also voted Knightwing too, right? That means at least two Townies voted Knightwing, no matter what. So why is only Toony the one that's being manipulated by Max and I? That's a weird take.
With a large part of Town-base even voting for Knightwing, it'd be hard to readily back interest to the two of you, since the majority of Town easily fell-in to the line-of-thinking Knightwing might've been scum.
I dunno, it just feels like you hard committed to the Max/web line because it lets you not have to really defend your vote very hard when questioned on it.
Ok, I actually do think Jim Groovester is scum. Because he's not really being aggressive.
I've read Jim well before, and I know his play from the notable games archive.
NJW, Jim hasn't shown logical-me any real scumtells, but he does bother emotional-me and I still don't know why. I'm willing to shoot him tonight if you want to coordinate shots.
webadict: I think he is a certainly a scum due his 3 minute flip-flop alone. I at first thought it could've been him and Toony, but I've shifted to Web-Max. I don't believe his claim that he dropped his "barbarian-posting" because he found that style of posting hard to do. I think he dropped it because I didn't relent on drawing a link between him and Max being on a team.
Whenever he feels pressured, he drops his formerly jovial and light-sarcastic tone to shift suspicion off of him. Which has he has been doing all game after I made my read of him. His post activity spiked after that.
I think he dropped it because I didn't relent on drawing a link between him and Max being on a team.
I also credit you for trying to organize a shot like I encouraged you (and everybody) to do even though I am not particularly enthusiastic about the target you have in mind.I admit to internally giggling about exactly this while I was proposing the shot. Your logic on the subject really is quite solid, be you town or scum. Like I said, I've got nothing on you myself, and don't really buy NJW's theory. I'm going 100% off gut instinct here. Logic is saying I should be suspecting NQT instead.
NJW, Jim hasn't shown logical-me any real scumtells, but he does bother emotional-me and I still don't know why. I'm willing to shoot him tonight if you want to coordinate shots.Sounds good to me, let's do it.
Why are people suspicious of Jim? Maybe I can't read Jim well at all but I think he's town.The only people suspecting Jim atm are myself and NJW. And I will freely tell you right now that I do NOT have a good reason for it. The only actual case being pushed on him is NJW's case here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180168.msg8401324#msg8401324).
Look, I've been wrong about this before in the past, I'm so borderline here. Someone give me a sanity check. Wuba, Jim, Anyone Else is the emotional blackmail scum!KW, or just lazy town!KW?That particular tell? That specific one is lazy town!KW. I think KW is scum overall anyway however.
NQT: Does not post often, but I get a Town-side manner from him.Been juggling other things but should be able to up my frequency in the rest of the game.
NJW: Makes constructive posts and isn't afraid to deviate from wagoningMakes big posts. Not joining a wagon by the end of the day though is scum-sided play. We shall see.
Lenglon: I don't know particularly, but slightly lean Town.What's giving you trouble assessing Lenglon?
Jim Groovester: Does not post often, but when he does, makes very large analytical post-replies to things he finds interest in. Lean Town.I agree, Jim would be a bad pick for the D1 vote.
Knightwing: The current wagon and easy strike-down for a D1 lynch. Not definitive on whether he's particularly Town or Mafia, but I think he leans Town.Did you see his play in Demon? I gave him the benefit of the doubt there and I was dead wrong.
ToonyMan: I found him slightly suspicious for going along with the wagon against Knightwing, but it could be a case of him being indirectly influenced by Max and Web.Do you think town!Toony would just sheep Max and Web?
Maximum Spin: Very suspicious in his reasonings up until this point and is a skilled player. Whenever he feels pressured, he drops his formerly jovial and light-sarcastic tone to shift suspicion off of him. Which has he has been doing all game after I made my read of him. His post activity spiked after that.Like I said at the beginning of the game, I always find Max shifty. If KW is town, then I think Max has like a 85% chance at being scum.
I feel like a confident Town!Max would just toy and troll around with an inexperienced player like me... but he immediately off the bat is really serious and trying hard to defend himself. That makes me think Maximum Spin is Mafia even more.
webadict: I think he is a certainly a scum due his 3 minute flip-flop alone. I at first thought it could've been him and Toony, but I've shifted to Web-Max. I don't believe his claim that he dropped his "barbarian-posting" because he found that style of posting hard to do. I think he dropped it because I didn't relent on drawing a link between him and Max being on a team.I enjoyed his barbarian phase, I wish he stuck with it. Changing your mind frequently is a town tell, it's only when you never actually put pressure on anyone that it leaks into scum-sided behaviour.
webadict in comparison to Max has been more "toyish" toward me in responses, but you can still see the line of cold-hard defensiveness toward my arguments. Like Max, I feel like a truly confident Town!webadict wouldn't go all out like this. Something is up.
That particular tell? That specific one is lazy town!KW. I think KW is scum overall anyway however.I'll wait to see what other people say about this, but this is definitely an interesting angle to take here. I think you may be right that we would see this from a town!KW regardless.
Why are people suspicious of Jim? Maybe I can't read Jim well at all but I think he's town.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Look, I've been wrong about this before in the past, I'm so borderline here. Someone give me a sanity check. Wuba, Jim, Anyone Else is the emotional blackmail scum!KW, or just lazy town!KW?Ehhhh, that's not the real emotional blackmail scumplay yet, but he hasn't convinced me that he's Town either.
Okey dokey, artichoke me, daddy.Quote from: webadictYou do realize that NQT also voted Knightwing too, right? That means at least two Townies voted Knightwing, no matter what. So why is only Toony the one that's being manipulated by Max and I? That's a weird take.
Something I already addressed:Quote from: LidkuWith a large part of Town-base even voting for Knightwing, it'd be hard to readily back interest to the two of you, since the majority of Town easily fell-in to the line-of-thinking Knightwing might've been scum.
Toony and NQT have outright voted for Knightwing, but if you look at the rest of Town's post attitudes toward Knigtwing besides myself, you'll see EVERYONE at this point suspects Knightwing due to the wagon you and Max set up. Not just "Toony" as you're trying slyly to frame it. If you took at least a few seconds to read my other post right after my readslist, you wouldn't have asked this question in the first place.Quote from: webadictI dunno, it just feels like you hard committed to the Max/web line because it lets you not have to really defend your vote very hard when questioned on it.
Except I literally have been defending it hard, when questioned about or criticized about it multiple times? It's strange that you even say this, unless it's simply an attempt at soft misdirection.
And you have GM'd most of the Mafia games I've been in the past, webadict. You should by now that I never usually go out this strong on D1 at all. I'd only do this if something really tac'd my suspicions, which you have, webadict.
A part of me wanted to, NQT. A part of me wanted to.webadict: I think he is a certainly a scum due his 3 minute flip-flop alone. I at first thought it could've been him and Toony, but I've shifted to Web-Max. I don't believe his claim that he dropped his "barbarian-posting" because he found that style of posting hard to do. I think he dropped it because I didn't relent on drawing a link between him and Max being on a team.I enjoyed his barbarian phase, I wish he stuck with it. Changing your mind frequently is a town tell, it's only when you never actually put pressure on anyone that it leaks into scum-sided behaviour.
webadict in comparison to Max has been more "toyish" toward me in responses, but you can still see the line of cold-hard defensiveness toward my arguments. Like Max, I feel like a truly confident Town!webadict wouldn't go all out like this. Something is up.
This is going to be my last post before I become inactive for quite a bit (job interview today).Eh... I don't agree with all of it, although I think I can see the thought process behind it.
ToonyMan, notquitethere, and NJW200: what do you think my full readslist?
Why are people suspicious of Jim? Maybe I can't read Jim well at all but I think he's town.I ask a question here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180168.msg8401319#msg8401319) and answer yours shortly after.
This is going to be my last post before I become inactive for quite a bit (job interview today).I suspect Max and Web if you and KW are both town.
ToonyMan, notquitethere, and NJW200: what do you think my full readslist?
tl;dr Jim is acting like he really doesn't want to get shotI dunno, man, I really don't want to get shot either. I'm just kind of selfish like that.
What I’m hearing from this is I’m a master of guilt tripping, I like to hear this as it fuels my egoWho do you think is suspicious?
Yeah
Given I’m pretty sure I’m about to die, I’ll just put it out there that I have a heal ability with three uses that can prevent a death. I can use all 3 of them at one time, though not on myself and on different people.
Jim has been acting unusual, not as aggressive, I guess? Maybe I’m being fooled but Lidku has a point about Jim not being a asshole this game, which is very strange and weird for himThat wasn't Lidku that made that assessment, it was NJW2000. Anyone else?
Jim has been acting unusual, not as aggressive, I guess? Maybe I’m being fooled but Lidku has a point about Jim not being a asshole this game, which is very strange and weird for himSo do you think Lidku is town? This relates towards my question to you.
Jim has been acting unusual, not as aggressive, I guess? Maybe I’m being fooled but Lidku has a point about Jim not being a asshole this game, which is very strange and weird for himSo do you think Lidku is town? This relates towards my question to you.
Who would you shoot tonight if you were around?
Who would you protect?
D1 Reads
Townie
Max - actively hunting, thinking
Web - same as Max (why don't they like Jim?)
Tric - claimed miller!
Hector - really laying out their thoughts, don't think they're phony
Jim - feels good
Null
NJW - he's being mean, probably town
Mafia
NQT - Mr. bad plans, did they get stuck with KW this time?
KW - he's mafia, if he's not then that means me, Max, and Web are all wrong on our read which seems bad
Why?
For comparison, here are my D1 reads during Demon's Mafia (Jim and Knightwing were mafia):Hmm, doesn't that mean you should be most suspicious of one of your townreads this time? It would be most straightforward to say that Jim still fills the same role as Jim (certainly, Web and I are doing the same thing as that time), but maybe NQT or Lenglon could be the new Jim this time, since Lidku is filling in the NQT slot on your old list.
Seriously Toony? It isn’t like you to be wrong so many times in a row.I...when have I been wrong about you? You won't even take my advice to show me how a mafia!Max is setting you up like in the previous game I wasn't a part of. You could literally pull examples from that game about how you're town like in that game. Or you could prove I've been wrong about you more than I have been right, but do you really want to go back and check? Because I bet the result won't be in your favor.
It is interesting to think about. I admit I'm subconsciously against a Jim/Knightwing scum team again due to Gambler's Fallacy even though I was scum with KW multiple times in a row.For comparison, here are my D1 reads during Demon's Mafia (Jim and Knightwing were mafia):Hmm, doesn't that mean you should be most suspicious of one of your townreads this time? It would be most straightforward to say that Jim still fills the same role as Jim (certainly, Web and I are doing the same thing as that time), but maybe NQT or Lenglon could be the new Jim this time, since Lidku is filling in the NQT slot on your old list.
I don't really think it's that direct a comparison, but it's interesting to think about.
It is interesting to think about. I admit I'm subconsciously against a Jim/Knightwing scum team again due to Gambler's Fallacy even though I was scum with KW multiple times in a row.I'm subconsciously against it too, but not so much for the Gambler's Fallacy reason, as that I think Jim would be handling it differently this time.
...Who would you protect?
Uh, You.
Dunno, he seems trustable this time....
It’s true lol, I sense a distinct lack of asshole energy from you, so I guess that kinda made me think better of you, I guess.That doesn't make me Town, though.
If anything, asshole!Webadict is a towntell.It’s true lol, I sense a distinct lack of asshole energy from you, so I guess that kinda made me think better of you, I guess.That doesn't make me Town, though.
If anything, asshole!Webadict is a towntell.It’s true lol, I sense a distinct lack of asshole energy from you, so I guess that kinda made me think better of you, I guess.That doesn't make me Town, though.
You could say that. If you think that I don't wildly change my meta each game so that no one can tell anything about any of my alignments.If anything, asshole!Webadict is a towntell.It’s true lol, I sense a distinct lack of asshole energy from you, so I guess that kinda made me think better of you, I guess.That doesn't make me Town, though.
And the contrary to webadict not acting like an asshole, is a scumtell?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Look, I've been wrong about this before in the past, I'm so borderline here. Someone give me a sanity check. Wuba, Jim, Anyone Else is the emotional blackmail scum!KW, or just lazy town!KW?
tl;dr Jim is acting like he really doesn't want to get shot
Jim has been acting unusual, not as aggressive, I guess? Maybe I’m being fooled but Lidku has a point about Jim not being a asshole this game, which is very strange and weird for him
I doubt Knightwing is town considering I feel like I'm in Demon Mafia again agreeing with Max and Web about everything.
The difference is that I don't think Jim is with Knightwing this time. Lidku could be fighting hard to keep KW alive unlike Jim's more hands back approach. I think I always shoot Lidku here if KW is mafia.
If Knightwing is town? Then I think I still believe in Webadict...but I feel worse about Max. I also like Lidku more than NJW.
Five (5) to Hammer
Day ends August 24th at 0600 Hours EST. Approximately 3 hours 15 minutes from now.
(3) Knightwing64: Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, notquitethere
. . .
Five (5) to Hammer
Role: Medic
Alignment: Town
Ability: Do No Harm - You do NOT get a gun
1-shot bulletproof vest (auto-self) - Prevent one kill during the game.
3-shot medkit - Prevent one kill during the night phase, usable three times, no limit on number that can be used per night.
Role: Grunt
Alignment: Town
Ability: 1-shot gun - Once during the game, kill one player of your choice during the night phase.
1-shot bulletproof vest (auto-self) - Prevent one kill during the game.
Win-Con: You win if all Mafia are eliminated.
I am happy about certain things that I'm NOT seeing today, and I'm going to avoid bringing them up specifically to avoid making them happen. If I'm alive tomorrow I might talk about them then. might not even then.
Though the fact that Lenglon died, means someone else also shot at her, along with me on N1.Webadict shouldn't have died either with just one shot.
I was townreading Lidku at the end of yesterday, I think that's pretty clear from my posts. Obviously that's something I'm going to have to look at again, but...
@NJW:
Do you still suspect Lidku?
The Town is going to have isolate who among the individual three was killed by the Mafia, and who among the Town killed the other individual two based off suspicion.Hold on, you shot Lenglon?
I'll start:
I was the one that shot Lenglon on N1.
I need your insight, what are your thoughts on NQT and NJW? Which is scummier if you had to pick?NJW scores one point higher in Scrabble, so that makes him one point scummier, unless NQT is on a special multiplier spot.
Spoiler: Some Theorising (click to show/hide)
Similarly, Max was a top target on D1, so I'm surprised to see him walking around today as well. Did you get shot at all, Max?Not at all, apparently. This isn't surprising. Mafia would want me to take the fall for misreading Knightwing.
Unvote me right nowUh, I believe it is in fact too late. I voted you first.
Oh I didn't see that
Fuck you NJW you idiot
NQT voting Max really threw me off, so well played NQT.Dude.
Noooo that's even wooorse... yeah. Yeah, it is. :-\
Haha, I did think I played well on D1: active enough with a good range of suspicions, set up Max for D2, not so forceful that I made any town enemies. But you don't need to play incredibly well when town are dead set on killing one another.Nah, you definitely deserve some credit.
Haha, I did think I played well on D1: active enough with a good range of suspicions, set up Max for D2, not so forceful that I made any town enemies. But you don't need to play incredibly well when town are dead set on killing one another.Nah, you definitely deserve some credit.
I mean, it sure is a good thing my vote doesn't actually count today, though.
Is Max actually a Giga Chad?I wish. Nah, I'm just messing with them. I hope they wet themselves in scumchat though.
I don't know why Max voted me so quickly.I found this post (especially the questions) incredibly scummy, mainly:
Lenglon and NJW both agreed to shoot Jim in the thread so that's a good guess why he's dead. That leaves at a minimum two shots unaccounted for beyond shenanigans.
My gut feeling is that it really is just Max/NJW like I said.
@Max:
I need your insight, what are your thoughts on NQT and NJW? Which is scummier if you had to pick?
@NQT:
We need data!! We need graphs!! Go go go!!
@NJW:
Do you still suspect Lidku?
I had been speculating about it in scumchat, but stopped before you claimed your vote was null. This just doesn't feel like a setup with vote manipulation, so it wasn't a real concern.I don't think I've literally won any game you've been mafia, so congrats. I have a hard time reading you because you're stubborn and pursue people exactly the same as either alignment to me.
I wanted more information from players I suspected.I don't know why Max voted me so quickly.I found this post (especially the questions) incredibly scummy, mainly:Lenglon and NJW both agreed to shoot Jim in the thread so that's a good guess why he's dead. That leaves at a minimum two shots unaccounted for beyond shenanigans.
My gut feeling is that it really is just Max/NJW like I said.
@Max:
I need your insight, what are your thoughts on NQT and NJW? Which is scummier if you had to pick?
@NQT:
We need data!! We need graphs!! Go go go!!
@NJW:
Do you still suspect Lidku?
NQT / NJW standing off to the side and probing alternate possibilities from KN64 / Lidku (these two are by far the most interesting to my eyes. Not scummy, but interesting. I very much want to know what things look like through their eyes right now.)
wait a sec, what am I typing?
NJW and NQT: what do things look like through your eyes right now?
I wanted more information from players I suspected.Yes, and your absolute conviction that I was scum after apparently agreeing with me about Knightwing, coupled with the way the question constrains who I'm allowed to think is scummy, made me think "town Toonyman wouldn't be this wrong".
I'll be honest my question towards you was to get a tell of who your partner was, but either way.
Lenglon, quite astutely picked up a dynamic of the scum players not fully participating in the current town on town drama, but didn't recognise it for what it was:When I was re-reading that's the exact post that made me think NJW/NQT was possible.NQT / NJW standing off to the side and probing alternate possibilities from KN64 / Lidku (these two are by far the most interesting to my eyes. Not scummy, but interesting. I very much want to know what things look like through their eyes right now.)
wait a sec, what am I typing?
NJW and NQT: what do things look like through your eyes right now?
Also, if you all hadn't killed the player claiming the only doctor role, Web would have survived (KW said that was the intended target) and might have carried the game D2.Maybe
Town NQT would have tried to save KW as a potential town asset, but obviously I wasn't going to do that in this game.
Yeah, listen, I'm not gonna say that I fully read Knightwing as Town or anything, but... like... It was mainly his fault he got voted. I think he got disappointed that he got voted again, but, like, he definitely looked scummy. I think a lot of that had to do with him being a Doctor, so that may have been the biggest issue.Also, if you all hadn't killed the player claiming the only doctor role, Web would have survived (KW said that was the intended target) and might have carried the game D2.Maybe
Town NQT would have tried to save KW as a potential town asset, but obviously I wasn't going to do that in this game.
Knightwing
Should have played
Yes, that would be acceptable.Could you please send your kill target(s) or No Action?Wow people are fast.
I think everyone else has submitted their actions.
Your Commander,
General E.K.Jack
Uh...I was going to do no action but let's shoot some people.
Can I use both shots on different targets? So like one shot on Target A and one shot on Target B?
Hmmm, I'll put one shot into Webadict then.
I was on the fence about Knight, and then I never got around to posting because who starts and ends a Day at 6:00 AM???Imagine
The only way to reliably kill the Mafia would be through lynching. The guns in this game dynamic was just the heighten paranoia between Town-versus-Town.In no world do I give any Mafia 3-shot bulletproof in a game where half the Town dies on Night 1. Giving them 3 bullets is ALSO bad because Night 1 actually is more likely to end in a win, holy cow! Giving the Mafia a Doctor would make sense. Giving them a Bodyguard would make sense. Giving them a Bus Driver, while incredibly strong, can work (though, this should 100% be visible, or else it's kinda bastardy, since, ya know, shooting people seems to be the intention.) Giving them ways to defend against the shooting without being able to shoot is balanced, since choice is a huge factor. You can make plays around looking suspicious. You can make plays around not looking suspicious. There
Though I wonder if the 3-point vest factor would've allowed Town to figure out someone was Mafia. If two Townies confirmed they either shot NJW or NQT, and they didn't die, it'd be heavily suspicious.
GET A REAL TIMEZONE! WE BROKE OFF FROM YOU GUYS FOR HAVING WEIRD TIME!I was on the fence about Knight, and then I never got around to posting because who starts and ends a Day at 6:00 AM???Imagine
Being Bri'ish