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Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Mafia => Topic started by: TricMagic on August 25, 2022, 10:07:47 am
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Music plays as you enter a room overlooking earth. Standing there are 3 people. A chair overlooks the Earth, before turning around. (https://youtu.be/jcYzZjIpSek)
"Welcome to the Velvet room. Your fate has been twisted, but all that remains is a Decision. Which of these three best suits your persona? Which path will you take going forward? I'll let you decide for yourself, that is if you want to continue."
Welcome to a strange thing. In this game there are four players. 1 of them is the Decider. 1 is the Angel, and 1 the Demon. And 1 is the human at the core of it all. It's the duty of the Angel or Demon to twist the Decider, as they pick off the other options via lynch. If the Decider and human survive, they win. If the Angel or Demon managed to be left alive with the Decider, they win.
The Angel and Demon do not know the other. Days will take 48 hours with a 24 hour downtime. At the end of the day if no lynch can be decided, the Decider will make the final decision. So, what's your answer?
Decider, played by "NQT"
Angel, played by "?"
Demon, played by "?"
Human, played by "?"
Note, there are no Flips in this game. And the Decider can't be lynched.
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This seems like it'd be a very short game, lol
I'll join this.
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This seems hard to win as either demon. You have to convince the decider that you're human, which the human already has to do, and on TOP of that you have to figure out who the other demon is, and point the decider at them D1 because if the human dies first you can't win. And then D2 win a thunderdome against the human.
Compare that to the human, who only has to convince the decider that they're human, and that they don't care which of the two demons dies first. If the decider sees someone pushing hard on just one target, that looks suspicious.
Which means that the best way to not die and lose as both demons and human is to default to "I'm human, the other two are demons, kill 'em." which doesn't seem that engaging. You can't really try to pick the other two apart because if you do you look like a demon; the human already knows all they need to.
IN with a 50% chance that analysis post just hurt my odds of winning lol.
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Nah, it's just Supersaint with a twist. It'll be short, though.
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will there be flips?
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I think that if the human dies the game ends, so it doesn't matter. After the launch either the game's over or there's one human and one demon left. Doesn't really matter which demon it is, does it?
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I'll give it a try, I guess. I'm in.
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I think that if the human dies the game ends, so it doesn't matter. After the launch either the game's over or there's one human and one demon left. Doesn't really matter which demon it is, does it?
No, the game ends if both the Angel and Demon are executed or the Human is executed, so there are definitely flips.
Basically, the Angel and the Demon need to get the other executed and then the Human, but the Human needs to get the Angel and the Demon executed.
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webadict, as a maker of crazy games, do you think it would help or hurt if the Angel/Demon knew who their opposite was?
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I asked if the game has flips because of the case of the human being first lynch. since not having flips would prevent deadlock D2, and no useful information will come from flips anyway.
can the decider be lynched?
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I asked if the game has flips because of the case of the human being first lynch. since not having flips would prevent deadlock D2, and no useful information will come from flips anyway.
can the decider be lynched?
First one might be a good idea, though at that point the Decider has already lost. The latter, Nope. The Decider is known and unlynchable.
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I asked if the game has flips because of the case of the human being first lynch. since not having flips would prevent deadlock D2, and no useful information will come from flips anyway.
can the decider be lynched?
First one might be a good idea, though at that point the Decider has already lost. The latter, Nope. The Decider is known and unlynchable.
The decider has already lost, but the game can continue if they don't know that they've lost. My concern would be that the game loses a little texture because now all three non-decider roles have the same game plan: get the other two killed.
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I asked if the game has flips because of the case of the human being first lynch. since not having flips would prevent deadlock D2, and no useful information will come from flips anyway.
can the decider be lynched?
First one might be a good idea, though at that point the Decider has already lost. The latter, Nope. The Decider is known and unlynchable.
The decider has already lost, but the game can continue if they don't know that they've lost. My concern would be that the game loses a little texture because now all three non-decider roles have the same game plan: get the other two killed.
K.. Kinda worried about the Decider getting glum, but sure, can take your advice into account since the game hasn't started..
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Ptw
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webadict, as a maker of crazy games, do you think it would help or hurt if the Angel/Demon knew who their opposite was?
Tough call.
If you make it against the rule to claim your opponents' role (in retaliation), then it could be interesting, as both the Angel and Demon know who needs to be executed first. It's a good way to start off. I think this puts the Angel, Demon, and Human in the same boat, since there's a lot of mindgames that can be played.
But, I think it's probably better to have their opponent not know. It feels good to have each other figure out who their "teammate" is. The Human kinda needs to pretend to be non-Human for the non-Humans and Human for the Decider.
So, whichever of these sounds more fun is what you should pick.
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Let's get this going
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I was going to in to get this game going but there's already four.
Posting to watch instead.
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Let's get this going
Very well then, speak with these mirrors, and Decide. Which resonates within your soul?
The First Question is asked. 48 Hours remain to Decide the Answer.
Note, as the Decider NQT can't be lynched and holds the Deciding vote.
No Self-Voting or Roleflips. Angel and Demon do not know the other.
If the human is lynched, the Decider loses. If the Angel is the last, they win. If the Demon is the last, they win. If they are both lynched, the Decider and human win.
What's your choice? Will it be Order, or Chaos? Or that bit of humanity left inside you.
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Actually, I take back what I said earlier pre-game.. This game might be harder than I thought.
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Hey, notquitethere. Great news: I'm the human, lynch the other guys in any order you please.
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Hey, notquitethere. Great news: I'm the human, lynch the other guys in any order you please.
That's a bold way to admit you're not human, Maximum Spin.. because I definitely know you're not, because I am the human. Should've came up with a better opener.
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Hey, notquitethere. Great news: I'm the human, lynch the other guys in any order you please.
That's a bold way to admit you're not human, Maximum Spin.. because I definitely know you're not, because I am the human. Should've came up with a better opener.
That was super transparent, right? So that's Lidku down. Egan, care to make an attempt? Are you the angel or the demon?
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I need only make one post.
Max and Lidku are demons. Eliminate them immediately. This will be my last message.
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I need only make one post.
Max and Lidku are demons. Eliminate them immediately. This will be my last message.
That was way better than Lidku's! I wouldn't mind if you win after that.
Let's definitely lynch Lidku first, okay?
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This really comes down to which one of you I find most intrinsically compelling.
Egan, I appreciate your definitiveness, but I think you need to make at least one more post if intend for someone to be voted off today.
Max, you've done a good job at being active and taking the lead, what I'd hope for from a good human (and fear from an angel or demon).
Lidku, if you're the human, which order should we vote off the others?
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Lidku, if you're the human, which order should we vote off the others?
Egan first, since I think it's very likely that they're either an Angel or Demon here. I think if they were human, they'd try harder to at least make a case for themselves/not declare they'd only make 1 post on Day 1 and that's it.
Max seems confident, but I it's clear (at least to me) that he's either an Angel or Demon in this scenario, due to that fact he's claiming to be human.. even though I know for certain I am the human here.
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Lidku, if you're the human, which order should we vote off the others?
Egan first, since I think it's very likely that they're either an Angel or Demon here. I think if they were human, they'd try harder to at least make a case for themselves/not declare they'd only make 1 post on Day 1 and that's it.
Max seems confident, but I it's clear (at least to me) that he's either an Angel or Demon in this scenario, due to that fact he's claiming to be human.. even though I know for certain I am the human here.
Heh heh, so you've correctly worked out that I'm the real human, at least.
I'm fine with voting Egan first too, NQT, so just let me know. I can guarantee that you won't lose voting out EITHER Egan or Lidku first. Or perhaps more importantly, I won't lose either way, because I'm the real human.
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This really comes down to which one of you I find most intrinsically compelling.
Egan, I appreciate your definitiveness, but I think you need to make at least one more post if intend for someone to be voted off today.
How's this:
Fuck you choose already. I've already given you the answer and this game doesn't have to last any longer.
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Well, if you won't vote for Lidku, I guess it has to be you. Egan_BW.
Lidku, you might as well vote.
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I don't know what actual use us "voting" will do here, since only NQT has the power to have anything go throught. But I guess it can be a good indicator aid for him, if nothing else.
Egan_BW
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Yes, let's go with Egan_BW.
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Egan Lynched, 24 hour dowtime to ready for tomorrow I guess.
Well, make it 12-18 or so. Bit late for anything else.
Rather quick, decisive. Is it a haste born of certainty, or of trickery. Well, your decision is made, we have no use for this one anymore.
Egain_BW is bound up in cloth, covering their face. They struggle, only to be pulled into an iron maiden you just now notice on the two sides of the room.
Though they tried to speak, the void stole their words. Though they tried to convince, they went unheard. Though they tried to win, they now serve as fuel.
One more time, one more decision. What will be born of this? A world of peace, or war. Your future awaits.
48 Hours till the Day Ends.
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Lidku, obviously.
Notquitethere, I probably don't even need to convince you, right? I mean, I hope so.
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I am quite tempted to vote for Lidku. This was very dubiously expressed:
Max seems confident, but I it's clear (at least to me) that he's either an Angel or Demon in this scenario, due to that fact he's claiming to be human.. even though I know for certain I am the human here.
From a human Lidku POV, Max wouldn't be an Angel or Demon because he's claiming to be human, he would be one because human!Lidku knows his own alignment.
Still, I want to hear from everyone before I cast my vote.
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Why do you believe you're above any attempt to convince NQT your case against me at all? That's mighty confident of you, Maximum Spin. What have intrinsic merit do you have, that'd suggest your "human" over me?
From a human Lidku POV, Max wouldn't be an Angel or Demon because he's claiming to be human, he would be one because human!Lidku knows his own alignment.
Yes, I do know my own alignment. And I said Max is either the Angel or the Demon in this scenario, because he's claiming the alignment I have, which is the human alignment... just as you phrased it. I don't know if he's either the Angel or the Demon here, which is a factor that remains anonymous until the end of the game.
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The human (me) knows that it doesn't matter which demon you are.
Also, one of your earlier posts was a huge slip:
Egan first, since I think it's very likely that they're either an Angel or Demon here.
Obviously, the human (me) knows that he's definitely one of the other two.
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I think that's about as concrete a reason as I'm going to get for voting anyone.
Lidku
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I think that's about as concrete a reason as I'm going to get for voting anyone.
Lidku
Good news: you're right, we win.
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Great!
Egan did a good job at roleplaying a demon. What a meanie!
How's this:
Fuck you choose already.
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I think Egan still wasn't sure whether Lidku or I were the human. The human is happy to lynch anyone, so the right move was to agree with me and vote for Lidku, but I'm guessing he wasn't sure that that wouldn't end the game.
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Lidku, if you're the human, which order should we vote off the others?
Egan first, since I think it's very likely that they're either an Angel or Demon here. I think if they were human, they'd try harder to at least make a case for themselves/not declare they'd only make 1 post on Day 1 and that's it.
Max seems confident, but I it's clear (at least to me) that he's either an Angel or Demon in this scenario, due to that fact he's claiming to be human.. even though I know for certain I am the human here.
This post proved you weren't human, Lidku ;)
And Egan got really angry, so it was definitely Max.
PPE: Oooooooh he was a DEMON! Lol, I like it.
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Lidku is bound and pulled into the other Iron Maiden.
Quite quick to decide. I suppose we'll see the result. Let the light shine upon this one, the two sacrificed for a greater power born from the soul.
Blood drips from the maidens, flowing to pool and rise into a bloody curtain. The light from outside turns red and purple, before the curtain evaporates, revealing a green magatama.
A neutral result. You have no ally but humanity, your soul by your side. Take this and do what you wish. But know both sides are against you.
Town Victory
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Yeah the angel and demon kinda telegraphed themselves there.
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I did post exactly what I would have as human. That was the plan, tell the decider to fuck off and kill the other two. Doesn't matter at all who the other two are, I don't care and have no reason to engage them.
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I did post exactly what I would have as human. That was the plan, tell the decider to fuck off and kill the other two. Doesn't matter at all who the other two are, I don't care and have no reason to engage them.
Nah, the human's gotta take the lead - since I didn't care which one of you was lynched first, I was happy to pick arbitrarily and switch to facilitate getting it over with. Really, in retrospect, I should have just voted randomly in my first post, since only the human has the extra information of knowing that any other lynch is right, and therefore doesn't need to hear from the others before deciding.
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Yeah the human needs to convince the decider to side with them at least. Refusing to engage with the game doesn’t do that ;)
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*clap clap clap*
After Maximum Spin's first post I had the feeling he was going to win regardless of what his alignment actually was. He came across right compared Lidku and Egan_BW. I probably would have made the same decisions as NQT, but that doesn't mean I would have won.
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This seems like it'd be a very short game, lol
lol
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Yeah the human needs to convince the decider to side with them at least. Refusing to engage with the game doesn’t do that ;)
Engaging with the game is a waste of precious time for all roles. Really, the greatest gift you can give the decider is just telling them who should be left at the end.
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Yeah the human needs to convince the decider to side with them at least. Refusing to engage with the game doesn’t do that ;)
Engaging with the game is a waste of precious time for all roles. Really, the greatest gift you can give the decider is just telling them who should be left at the end.
It isn’t though, since the decider doesn’t know who the player is they need to keep alive, while the human knows who needs to be lynched to win, while the angel and demon need to avoid lynching the human first, presumably, because the decider loses and it should really end the game at that point.
Consequently, the angel and demon need to figure out the human, while the human needs to convince the decider they’re human.
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I did change it so there weren't lips, so the human being lynched first would have been fine?
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I did change it so there weren't lips, so the human being lynched first would have been fine?
Yes that was the right design decision, as this keeps up the ruse that the game is still winnable for the decider. It wouldn't have worked with a D1 flip.
Max definitely had the right approach: addressing me, the decider. Lidku addressed Max in his post, but why would a human need to talk to the angel or demon at all? And Egan disengaging might have made some players second guess themselves, but it was (rightly or wrongly) a big red flag for me.
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This was entertaining. Egan was weirdly convincing in the first post, but the second post sounded a lot like an annoyed demon. :P
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I should have remembered to squeeze in more swearing in the first.