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Title: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Scoops Novel on September 10, 2022, 10:04:10 pm
By the laws of yin yang, and basic observation of the fundamental goodness of the universe, our unnatural lives and the presents many blue-balls should be balanced out some.

So in the spirit of philosophical pragmatism, what can we expect as the rains return? Do you think we're looking at a monsoon season or more of a wet week?
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: King Zultan on September 11, 2022, 01:36:42 am
basic observation of the fundamental goodness of the universe,
I have a feeling this isn't a thing as I'm pretty sure the universe is neither good or bad.



You know all we're gonna get from the universe is a swift kick in the dick.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Rolan7 on September 11, 2022, 01:54:45 am
Hm.  If every life is supposed to be in a cosmic balance, where they get both good and bad in equal measure...
That would indicate that the ultra rich are sobbing in their piles of cash, devoid of human contact, utterly alone.  As the African proverb goes, starving on a pile of gold.

They want us to think that.
There is no cosmic balance, there is only what we choose.
The Chinese empire also wanted to push that fiction, and it fell as all empires do.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Scoops Novel on September 11, 2022, 01:33:52 pm
It's often balanced. I mean, how can you have balance without imbalance...

As humans experience it, the universe is overwhelmingly good. It's a trend yo.

Irrelevant though. Look at our lives today. So very much poorly distributed good in it. And lots of shit we're eating, somewhat as natural - uh, blowback - to it.

The human experience, you hit a new level and are met with a flood of good. So that's likely. Looking around today though, you can see the good doesn't necessarily go where you want it to go. So, nevertheless, because of the usual yin/yang, you'd think that all the ways in which our lives suck today are likely to end up getting some love anyway simply as a mechanism of that.

From a yin-yang perspective, how much good do you expect? With the complication that we're on the brink of hitting a new good level, which arguably could produce so much good it's a little bad, as it is today.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Loud Whispers on September 11, 2022, 01:41:17 pm
Hm.  If every life is supposed to be in a cosmic balance, where they get both good and bad in equal measure...
That would indicate that the ultra rich are sobbing in their piles of cash, devoid of human contact, utterly alone.  As the African proverb goes, starving on a pile of gold.

They want us to think that.
There is no cosmic balance, there is only what we choose.
The Chinese empire also wanted to push that fiction, and it fell as all empires do.
Buddhism is pretty self-aware that there isn't any fairness in their own balance though, e.g. you can be repaying the bad karma of a previous life that isn't the "you" that earned such malaise. Also the Chinese dynasties are a pretty good example of starving on a pile of gold; usually the luxury-indulging Emperor is the precursor to the dynasty's painful extinction
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Scoops Novel on September 11, 2022, 04:20:12 pm
Fairness is irrelevant to balance, and it's not balance, so much as pushback.

In cosmic terms we probably live in a way fairly representative for sapients, and have done previously. How we've spent the bulk of our existence, in philosophical terms, is probably more representative then the most recent part, and this ain't all that like it. We aren't physical, we've got too much reality and not enough universe as yet, more besides. At some point we'll be pushed somewhat back to the average.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Great Order on September 11, 2022, 04:36:01 pm
The universe owes us bugger all because it's nonsentient. It owes us as much as a rock that you stub your toe on.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 11, 2022, 04:42:26 pm
A kuruş, eleven potted hyacinth plants, and three-and-a-half bags of potato chips.

These are what the Universe owes me, though. Dunno about y'all.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Great Order on September 11, 2022, 06:20:45 pm
It's often balanced. I mean, how can you have balance without imbalance...
Easy, look at entropy. A steady disbalance towards maximum chaos without any prevailing counter-order.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Scoops Novel on September 11, 2022, 06:26:56 pm
The universe owes us bugger all because it's nonsentient. It owes us as much as a rock that you stub your toe on.

I expect a whole lot of things from a rock...

It's often balanced. I mean, how can you have balance without imbalance...
Easy, look at entropy. A steady disbalance towards maximum chaos without any prevailing counter-order.

Exactly. Imbalance. Balancing out balance.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: TamerVirus on September 11, 2022, 06:47:16 pm
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You can do your best and still lose
Bad things happen to good people
There is no free lunch
Not everybody is gonna be a winner
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Il Palazzo on September 11, 2022, 07:01:21 pm
It owes us about tree fiddy.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: King Zultan on September 12, 2022, 12:58:54 am
I don't think the universe is gonna give us jack shit.


And what's all the crap about balance about?
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Ziusudra on September 12, 2022, 01:19:09 am
I'd take a swift death ... actually I might take a lingering one, at this point, just to know there was an end coming.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: MaxTheFox on September 12, 2022, 03:16:00 am
Fairness is irrelevant to balance, and it's not balance, so much as pushback.

In cosmic terms we probably live in a way fairly representative for sapients, and have done previously. How we've spent the bulk of our existence, in philosophical terms, is probably more representative then the most recent part, and this ain't all that like it. We aren't physical, we've got too much reality and not enough universe as yet, more besides. At some point we'll be pushed somewhat back to the average.
I see words, I sentences, but I don't see any meaning.

The universe is not sapient and thus cannot be good or bad or owe anyone anything.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Quarque on September 12, 2022, 03:23:47 am
Don't ask what the universe can do for you, ask what you can do for the universe.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: King Zultan on September 12, 2022, 04:06:18 am
I see words, I sentences, but I don't see any meaning.
That sums up almost all of Novel's posts.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Scoops Novel on September 12, 2022, 07:21:47 am
I see words, I sentences, but I don't see any meaning.

The universe is not sapient and thus cannot be good or bad or owe anyone anything.

It has trends. A rock doesn't owe me anything but I expect a lot from it, as I said. And we expect balance, and we expect good.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: MaxTheFox on September 12, 2022, 09:06:26 am
I see words, I sentences, but I don't see any meaning.

The universe is not sapient and thus cannot be good or bad or owe anyone anything.

It has trends. A rock doesn't owe me anything but I expect a lot from it, as I said. And we expect balance, and we expect good.
What do you expect from a rock? And expecting something doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: TamerVirus on September 12, 2022, 09:10:32 am
Great Expectations, a novel by Scoops Novel
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Criptfeind on September 12, 2022, 10:31:47 am
When you first made this thread I thought you were just asking what people want in the future, but now it seems this is some weird idea that is just the gamblers fallacy applied to the universe at large to create a Karma system? Bizarre if that's the case.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: King Zultan on September 13, 2022, 03:32:37 am
What the hell would a rock give you?
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: TamerVirus on September 13, 2022, 07:18:15 am
What the hell would a rock give you?
What’s it’s cooking
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: EuchreJack on September 13, 2022, 01:54:36 pm
What does the Ocean owe a single, small, insignificant Fish?

The Universe owes less to Us.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: brewer bob on September 13, 2022, 05:34:03 pm
What the hell would a rock give you?

A bruise or broken bones, maybe?

...Assuming it's thrown and hits its mark.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: anewaname on September 13, 2022, 09:24:53 pm
The Universe just stomping along.

Stay ahead of it and you might get stomped on, stay behind it and you might get pooped on. Either way, it is just a matter of time...
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: EuchreJack on September 14, 2022, 09:37:00 pm
The Star Trek Deep Space Nine Episode: Chimera, is to my adult brain clearly addressing LGBTQ issues. It's relevant today to Trans rights and public perceptions.

Thanks Universe for your continued Wisdom.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: King Zultan on September 15, 2022, 01:44:40 am
Thanks Universe for your continued Wisdom.
Oh god Novel has managed to brainwash you into his way of bizarre thinking!


We gotta stop him from doing it to others, but how?
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: dragdeler on September 16, 2022, 06:16:21 pm
The universe owes us inflation adjustement. They say well the food expands too, eventhough some basic math suffice to prove that 1l of water is still only made of 100% water, while supposedly the volume I take up in space has increased? It's an obvious ripoff how am I to get the last lightyears out of the bottle.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 16, 2022, 06:31:04 pm
Thanks Universe for your continued Wisdom.
Oh god Novel has managed to brainwash you into his way of bizarre thinking!


We gotta stop him from doing it to others, but how?

You have to seek the answers in the expectations themselves. Then you can think about how things are.
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: King Zultan on September 17, 2022, 03:40:37 am
Oh god it's still spreading, we need to quarantine the thread!
Title: Re: What does the Universe owe Us At This Point
Post by: Scoops Novel on September 19, 2022, 09:52:18 am
What does the Ocean owe a single, small, insignificant Fish?

The Universe owes less to Us.

Water.

So... air?