Post by: Egan_BW on September 12, 2022, 02:53:57 pm
The time of HATS!
Spoiler: Egan's rules (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: hat mafia rules! (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 12, 2022, 02:54:17 pm
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Post by: notquitethere on September 12, 2022, 03:08:53 pm
There are two mafia. The rest of the players begin as mafia.That's a lot of mafia, no?
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 12, 2022, 03:17:51 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 12, 2022, 05:10:05 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 12, 2022, 05:37:10 pm
Make me mafia, I would like to kill sum haters
Nah JK, but I don’t want to be generic 0.0
I’ll give you a internet 🍪
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 12, 2022, 05:38:14 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 12, 2022, 05:39:28 pm
I'll give it a go.
So…
We meet again.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 12, 2022, 05:41:03 pm
There are two mafia. The rest of the players begin as mafia.
It is Day 1, and every player wins.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 12, 2022, 08:49:50 pm
The Murder Crown now hungers for corruption.
Made muggings more comically hazardous.
Known Issues:
All players spawn as Mafia, ending the game immediately.
Post by: Lenglon on September 12, 2022, 10:07:07 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 13, 2022, 10:28:28 am
Post by: TricMagic on September 13, 2022, 10:39:08 am
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2022, 07:51:57 pm
But then came the Friendlies, and with them, a lasting peace between the forts.
Today it is a land of whimsy and trust, bemittoned hoovies trading sandviches regardless of the color they wear.
Until one morning came when Egan_BW was found dead, brutally shot to death by finger guns.
Two traitors had stolen and inviswatch and broken deep into Blu base, stealing that dread artifact, the Murder Crown...
Even now, in this crisis, you feel a twinge of Opportunity. If you could take advantage of the chaos and plunder a pile of hats to your name, everyone would have to listen to you for once.
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 07:57:45 pm
Either things end up chaotic, or Lenglon figures out how to break the game Day 1. Not sure which yet.
The fact that there's both a mafiakill and a vig-kill and the doctorhat only protects against the mafiakill means this game will probably be pretty lethal, pretty fast.
Oh, yeah. Sorry Egan but the fact that a town player is guaranteed to start with the Ghastly Gibus is exploitable, isn't it?
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 13, 2022, 08:00:50 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2022, 08:02:12 pm
Oh, yeah. Sorry Egan but the fact that a town player is guaranteed to start with the Ghastly Gibus is exploitable, isn't it?
My lawyers are telling me not to answer that question.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:07:30 pm
Facts: mac can't use town power hats. Town player starts with the Gibus. So... Gibus player claims, doc doesn't claim, doc protects Gibus, Gibus wearer surviving to Day 2 results in a confirmed townie? Or if the Gibus dies it means the doc hat wearer is scum. Easy peasy?
Egan: does mugging resolve before or after power hat resolution?
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 13, 2022, 08:09:27 pm
Although if we're going to break the game, we should just have the mafia hat owner claim, then form up into an orderly queue to mug him and all win as mafia-allies.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:14:11 pm
We could execute one mafia player, and thus convert five players to mafia ally instead, but that still leaves us with one townie unable to win.
More importantly that's not really in line with the spirit of the rules.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 13, 2022, 08:17:37 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2022, 08:22:54 pm
Egan: does mugging resolve before or after power hat resolution?
There's no resolution order. Mugging considers the pool of hats the target possesses at the start of the night, but won't prevent any actions from happening.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:26:36 pm
Here's how it works.
We execute the mafia player not holding the crown, then do an orderly chain of muggings - hammering no elimination every day - until there is one dead mafia player, one living mafia player, four living mafia allies, and two townies. One of the mafia-allies has the vigilante hat, and the last remaining mafia player has the crown.
Now, during the last Night, the mafia player kills one of the townies, the town player not targeted by the mafiakill mugs the mafia player for the crown, and the mafia ally holding the vigilante hat shoots the last mafia player.
Action resolution, actions trigger simultaneously. Both the last mafia player and one of the two town players die simultaneously, and the other town player becomes mafia ally.
End result: 6 living mafia allies, 2 dead mafia, number of living mafia equals the number of living town, mafia win.
As mafia win, all mafia allies win.
Eight victories.
I'm sure we can exploit the fact that both wincons can trigger simultaneously in other ways, too.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:28:08 pm
Egan: does mugging resolve before or after power hat resolution?
There's no resolution order. Mugging considers the pool of hats the target possesses at the start of the night, but won't prevent any actions from happening.
Okay! Fantastic!
See the plan I posted above.
Guess we can make every player win now, assuming every player cooperates.
I mean, I'm not sure it's in the spirit of the game to go through with this plan, but on the other paw, we could all win... assuming there's no catches in the rules I missed
Post by: Egan_BW on September 13, 2022, 08:28:41 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:28:55 pm
I believe the game is already broken.You think?
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 13, 2022, 08:29:49 pm
one of the two town players die [...] End result: 6 living mafia allies, 2 dead mafia, number of living mafia equals the number of living town, mafia win.Remind me never to ask you to do math.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:33:00 pm
Also Mafia Ally counts as being town for counting the wincon, so you could convert everyone, and then you'd have to kill 4 of them? I dunno are you really winning if you're being ritually sacrificed. Nowhere near as sweet a victory as being HAT TYRANT.Hm.
This makes things trickier, but still theoretically doable.
Right.
We would eliminate the non crown holding mafia player Day 1, then every day there is a mafia-ally player alive but not holding the crown, we eliminate them via ritual vote.
This would eventually result in the situation where there is one living mafia player holding the crown, and two living town players, at which point... um. Hmmm.
At which point we can get to one living mafia ally player, at which point town win, but that means nobody wins.
May need to give this some more thought.
Um hum. Whoops.one of the two town players die [...] End result: 6 living mafia allies, 2 dead mafia, number of living mafia equals the number of living town, mafia win.Remind me never to ask you to do math.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:35:42 pm
That's even easier.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 13, 2022, 08:36:54 pm
Oh wait we can just convert everyone to mafia allies, then execute mafia allies until the number of mafia allies equals the number of living mafia, at which point mafia win because mafia allies count as town for wincon counts, but that means everyone wins.Yes, this is the much easier plan. I'm open to it if everyone else is.
That's even easier.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:40:30 pm
Post by: webadict on September 13, 2022, 08:43:32 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 13, 2022, 08:44:20 pm
Ritual murder-suicides for the Hat God?Exactly.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 13, 2022, 08:46:49 pm
Same energy as using Monster Reborn to summon your opponent's own Catapult Turtle from the graveyard to sacrifice your other monster and hit them directly for game.
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 13, 2022, 09:54:14 pm
Oh wait we can just convert everyone to mafia allies, then execute mafia allies until the number of mafia allies equals the number of living mafia, at which point mafia win because mafia allies count as town for wincon counts, but that means everyone wins.
That's even easier.
Sure, whatever, let's do it.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 12:41:09 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 02:13:03 am
Wait what the game started alreadyYes, and we've decided to all win, so you should vote no lynch so that we can save endangered hats.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 02:20:17 am
I always play to my wincon. My wincon is town, so I'm not turning into a mafia ally.
FallacyofUrist should go for even suggesting such a thing.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 02:23:02 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 02:27:24 am
Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 02:28:08 am
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 02:30:52 am
EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?Mafia picks. Or maybe I pick whoever's funnier, I haven't decided yet.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 02:46:21 am
EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?We can just vote no-elimination, we don't have to force a tie or whatever.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 02:48:50 am
Or you could eliminate any dissenters to The Plan. Enemies are all around you!EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?We can just vote no-elimination, we don't have to force a tie or whatever.
Just saying.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 02:57:59 am
Right, but no-lynch could potentially get tied too.EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?We can just vote no-elimination, we don't have to force a tie or whatever.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 03:22:40 am
Max: What's your hat?
FoU: What's your hat?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 03:35:21 am
Right, but we can hammer no execution.Right, but no-lynch could potentially get tied too.EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?We can just vote no-elimination, we don't have to force a tie or whatever.
Any "everyone wins" plan requires at least the crowned mafia to out themselves for us to start passing the crown around. If neither of them are willing to take that step, then it doesn't matter if town is willing to cooperate on it.
Well I'd like to request that they do.
... if they aren't willing to cooperate, then we'll just have to find them and take the crown by force. But at that point townies will die before they can be converted, so it wouldn't be an everyone wins plan, and that would be sad.
Or you know, we could just kill the mafia, because if we can't have everyone wins, then we may as well make the mafia pay for not cooperating.
FoU: What's your hat?I do not have the Crown. I am town. In the event that the Crownbearer comes forwards for the everyone wins plan, I'll claim my exact hat Day 1. Otherwise, I'll claim whatever hats I have when it is most appropriate to do so, and I can't predict when that will be at this time.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 03:49:10 am
Right, but we can hammer no execution.With five people, right. Five people haven't committed to the plan yet. If we assume everyone who has is town, then there are five with the mafia, but if one is mafia, there are only four, and if both mafia have already agreed, only three. Since you, me, and Jim have all said we'd go for it.
If enough people commit to no lynch (or possibly to lynching nqt in the current gamestate - there's no way to force him to become a mally if he chooses not to mug or graverob), I can't see why the mafia would TURN DOWN winning. It would be pretty crazy. If the hammer threshold of cooperators is reached, there's no risk.
The plan after the point at which the crown owner claims would be really straightforward, btw: the crown owner and one other player should mug each other while everyone else turtles. Anyone caught mugging improperly would then be lynched.
I'm not claiming my hat yet.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 14, 2022, 04:32:35 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 04:45:40 am
Town win when all mafia players are eliminated.
I'm going to draw a line in the sand here: any players pushing for the Mafia Ally plan are either mafia or team-sabotaging town players who deserve to be modkilled.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 04:56:04 am
NQT: by your logic, how would anyone ever become Hat Tyrant without being modkilled for playing against their own team?
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 04:57:57 am
NQT: by your logic, how would anyone ever become Hat Tyrant without being modkilled for playing against their own team?Running a backup win-condition on the side is fine, but publicly agitating for your current team to lose seems a bit too much. Also Hat Tyranny is in the spirit of the game, whereas breaking the setup clearly isn't.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 04:59:04 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 05:09:09 am
rule 0 in mafia is play to win condition you have.Isn't that a dumb mafiascum rule? I don't like them and I don't play by their rules. Obviously.
Anyway, I don't believe that this is against the spirit of the game regardless. Egan's been saying "I want to make a setup where people can choose their own win conditions" for ages.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 05:43:36 am
I think the mod is fine with the current discussion.Or you could eliminate any dissenters to The Plan. Enemies are all around you!EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?We can just vote no-elimination, we don't have to force a tie or whatever.
Just saying.
Max: I am currently assuming you have the crown and your partner is avoiding the current discussion so you won't have all your eggs in one basket. I believe with me added to your roster you have the majority you needed to begin the "everyone wins" plan. Are you willing to step forward now, or should I be coordinating a massclaim to begin forcing a town-mechanically-solves-the-game play? The murder crown last-second-buff did help but there's enough ways to confirm town players to make it still barely possible for town to win without scumhunting. And you know this already based on this post:
Well, it's possible to get a minimum of three confirmed townies on day 1, so.In both worlds, people should be claiming their hats. What's your hat?
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 05:59:39 am
Max: I am currently assuming you have the crown and your partner is avoiding the current discussion so you won't have all your eggs in one basket. I believe with me added to your roster you have the majority you needed to begin the "everyone wins" plan. Are you willing to step forward nowHonestly, I thought it was obvious from the beginning. I was shocked when nqt voted Fallacy and not me. I literally opened with it.
I was kind of hoping nobody else had noticed the other thing since nobody brought it up.
I wanted to wait until at least KW or web had given a firm yes or no, but I guess you've decided to force my hand. Rudely.
I hope everyone has at least learned a valuable lesson about why an open setup can't be fully determinate. Or at least you all will when you eventually see where I fully explained the problem in PMs. For now I'm not going to explain the details since, even if Lenglon also knows them, as few people knowing them as possible is better for me. :P
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 06:05:04 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 06:06:46 am
I was shocked when nqt voted Fallacy and not me. I literally opened with it.I'm happy to vote for Maximum Spin if you prefer. Can't vote all of you at the same time, unfortunately.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 06:12:30 am
By the way, Lenglon: I know it looks like there might be a certain uncontrolled variable in the plan, but there actually isn't. It's sewn up. I assume you will understand what this means.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 06:22:19 am
Don't overestimate me. it's PAIN in the morning in my timezone. I hadn't actually solved anything and was bluffing. I saw enough to be fairly sure a solution exists, but I'm not awake enough to actually solve the game right now.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 06:24:04 am
:POh wow. Lol. Fallacy set you up for that, then. I gotta give you credit for that bluff.
Don't overestimate me. it's PAIN in the morning in my timezone. I hadn't actually solved anything and was bluffing. I saw enough to be fairly sure a solution exists, but I'm not awake enough to actually solve the game right now.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 06:30:14 am
Max: I am currently assuming you have the crown and your partner is avoiding the current discussion so you won't have all your eggs in one basket.
By the way, Lenglon: I know it looks like there might be a certain uncontrolled variable in the plan, but there actually isn't. It's sewn up. I assume you will understand what this means.
I know you might be tempted to give into the scheme wherein each night one person becomes a mafia-ally. But what's to stop the mafia just launching the last town player at the end of the game? You should play to win, and most of you are town so let's win by getting rid of Max and then his partner.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 07:11:28 am
LaaaaaAAme.Wait what the game started alreadyYes, and we've decided to all win, so you should vote no lynch so that we can save endangered hats.
@FoU:
Playing against your wincon because you expect it to change is laaaaaame. I want to play mafia.
I'm not claiming my hat either.
OK Jim, Knightwing64, ToonyMan and TricMagic— Max has soft-claimed being mafia:Yeah, I agree.Max: I am currently assuming you have the crown and your partner is avoiding the current discussion so you won't have all your eggs in one basket.By the way, Lenglon: I know it looks like there might be a certain uncontrolled variable in the plan, but there actually isn't. It's sewn up. I assume you will understand what this means.
I know you might be tempted to give into the scheme wherein each night one person becomes a mafia-ally. But what's to stop the mafia just launching the last town player at the end of the game? You should play to win, and most of you are town so let's win by getting rid of Max and then his partner.
I think NQT is probably town. In addition, I get to vote Max! It's a win-win!
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 07:14:38 am
Oooo, I wanna winGood morning
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 08:49:51 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 08:57:35 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 09:05:58 am
So you know who to NK and steal from? No thanks.I mean, if you fullclaim, town wins d3 and I'll even explain how.
What difference would the claim even make to what happens in the night? All hats are equal, even if some are more equal than others.
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 09:20:01 am
What difference would the claim even make to what happens in the night? All hats are equal, even if some are more equal than others.Mafia tend to want to kill power roles. Is there something different about this setup that changes that?
I mean, if you fullclaim, town wins d3 and I'll even explain how.Explain if you like, but I'm sceptical about plans put forward by self-confessed scum players.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 09:43:44 am
Mafia tend to want to kill power roles. Is there something different about this setup that changes that?Yes. Most importantly: one of the three power roles is mafia, and that role doesn't work.
Suppose all town claim truthfully. My partner can lie, which would be stupid; that narrows it down to the two candidates which claim the same hat. Whichever power hat isn't claimed is the one mafia have. If it's not the vig, you just lynch one and vig the other. If it is, you'll have to lynch each separately. In either case, you would of course lynch me first. Mafia get off at most one kill, if my partner graverobs me tonight and survives tomorrow's lynch.
Otherwise, my partner tells the truth. All hats are claimed. You know one of the three claimed power roles is scum. Which one? In this case, you leave me alive today and tell the vig claim to vig me while the doctor claim doctors the vig claim (you can have the cop claim cop the doctor, if you want). If the vig is my partner, I survive and presumably kill one person; you lynch me tomorrow, then lynch my partner the next day. If the doctor or cop is my partner, I get killed, I kill someone else, you have to pick between the doctor and cop claims to lynch tomorrow, and the vig, if alive, kills the other (if necessary). Of course if I kill the vig, you know the doctor was my partner, so assume I'm smart enough not to do that. Mafia again get off at most one kill.
In all cases you will mislynch at most one player.
This is all, of course, really obvious. If I had chosen to fakeclaim, it would have been slightly harder since you would have two "possibility pools" to pick from, but still easy enough that I decided my plan was better.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 10:08:14 am
I’ll vote no elim once we have a plan of night action.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 11:22:38 am
FoU: current night action plan is you mug Max, Max mugs you, everyone else turtles, assuming everyone cooperates.
Spoiler: quoting where Max explained this (click to show/hide)
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 11:26:55 am
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 11:44:56 am
What third parties? Why, the people that have decided to go for the title of Hat Tyrant of course.
Who are these people, how would we find them? These people are going to want a long game WITHOUT the organization of an everyone-wins play. True Mafia's only way to win in a setup this broken is convincing the town to cooperate with them for an everyone-wins play. True Town are people pushing for a Day 1 massclaim + lynching the mafia immediately. Third parties need the game to be long, but chaotic. they can't have people making organized massclaims and mass-turtling. These are the people that are going to try to oppose the Everyone Wins organized play but refuse to claim their own hats or organize night actions.
So in short, if you're playing in the forum's "normal" fairly cagey way, then you're likely attempting to become Hat Tyrant.
These people are going to be attempting to identify each other, because the organized players will all be turtling and unable to be mugged. Their best bet is to mug each other. They need to disguise their intent so that the other people going for Hat Tyrant don't mug them, and they are going to want actual organized players to be lynched / shot so they can be graverobbed instead of having the organized player hats locked away behind perpetual turtling.
So yes, we still have a mafia game going, it's just not a traditional one.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 11:58:15 am
This means that players pushing for Everyone Wins need to be NOT pushing for a massclaim, to protect the Gibbus, but players pushing for Town Wins still DO need to push for a massclaim, because that's how they find Max's scumbuddy.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 12:04:17 pm
Max's scumbuddy should claim to being the other mafia so that the True Town team loses this incentive to push for a massclaim, making the only players that want a massclaim the players that want to know who has the Gibbus. Mafia's only reasonable chance here is convincing the town to cooperate. You can't realistically win in the traditional way when the setup has LITERALLY ZERO CLAIMSPACE. So stop trying. Unless you want to go for Hat Tyrant yourself of course. In which case Max should out you to the town and you should be lynched, not for being mafia, but for being faction Hat Tyrant.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 14, 2022, 01:33:58 pm
Max
Post by: TricMagic on September 14, 2022, 01:44:18 pm
Ello ello ello, what have we here then...I'll go for max for the same reasoning. But I see a redvote.
I always play to my wincon. My wincon is town, so I'm not turning into a mafia ally.
FallacyofUrist should go for even suggesting such a thing.
Post by: TricMagic on September 14, 2022, 01:47:20 pm
Well, ToonyMan, we could do the thing where everyone claims his hat instead.This and Lenglon wanting the same thing. Claiming what hats one has is odd and counterproductive to town.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 01:48:18 pm
Claiming what hats one has is odd and counterproductive to town.This is completely wrong in every possible way.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 01:49:22 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 14, 2022, 01:51:04 pm
Searching for TP is also just dumb. There isn't any mechanical info for that rn, nor any way to tell besides behavioral cues. The best cue is people who want others to claim, ut right now we're either town or mafia. Which are you Lenglon
Nin. And of course you'd say that.
Post by: TricMagic on September 14, 2022, 01:52:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 01:58:12 pm
Well, ToonyMan, we could do the thing where everyone claims his hat instead.No.
Is it thoughClaiming what hats one has is odd and counterproductive to town.This is completely wrong in every possible way.
Is it.
Is.
It.
Though.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 02:01:45 pm
Sounds legit:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) ;) :) :)
Max
Also, where's your evidence? You should be pushing for my lynch anyway given I'm intentionally skipped the opening of day 1. For my own reasons, mind you, but I had no intent of participating this morning.Don't trust these clowns Tric.
Anybody who has written a paragraph in this game cannot be trusted.
FoU, Max, and Lenglon desire order.
This is very uncool. I want....fun!!!!!!!
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 02:15:29 pm
Max
FoU
Lenglon
NQT
and on the side of Chaos we have:
Toonyman
and on the side of Undeclared we have:
Jim
Tric
Knightwing
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 02:21:08 pm
So on the side of Order we have:Zzzzzzzzzz words
Max
FoU
Lenglon
NQT
and on the side of Chaos we have:
Toonyman
and on the side of Undeclared we have:
Jim
Tric
Knightwing
We donnot need words.
Who read OP or role? Not me. Me cant read
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 02:25:41 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 03:41:23 pm
Can I like get a new partner
It's not TricMagic, btw.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 04:06:40 pm
Wow, are you people really going to just completely...
Can I like get a new partner
It's not TricMagic, btw.
got it.
hey NQT: are you okay with voting out Toonyman for being mafia that wants to become Hat Tyrant, and would you be willing to Mug Max tonight for his hat?
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 04:13:20 pm
hey NQT: are you okay with voting out Toonyman for being mafia that wants to become Hat Tyrant, and would you be willing to Mug Max tonight for his hat?I've got better things to be doing than Mugging. I'd take some convincing RE: Toony. He's willing to actually vote mafia, which is a step up from half the other players, even if he's currently harbouring ambitions to become a tyrant.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 04:33:22 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 04:34:32 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 04:40:11 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 04:41:40 pm
Toony untouchable. Toony BE Hat Tyrant.Wow, are you people really going to just completely...
Can I like get a new partner
It's not TricMagic, btw.
got it.
hey NQT: are you okay with voting out Toonyman for being mafia that wants to become Hat Tyrant, and would you be willing to Mug Max tonight for his hat?
No, and I try not to follow the lead of scum players like that, it's WIFOM city.NQT smart brain. Many crevices.
Players must embrace their desires. Why win all when just you win?
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 04:43:24 pm
If Max explicitly stated that toony was his scumbuddy, and I agreed to lynch Max D2 if Toony flipped town, would you change your mind?Toony don't work with Max. Toony work for Toony.
Post by: TricMagic on September 14, 2022, 04:54:07 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 05:00:01 pm
Eh. You still going like this Legnlon? NQT calling you out, yo~huh?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 05:15:04 pm
I see now why Egan didn't just patch the rules to prevent this. They understand human nature too well.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 14, 2022, 06:02:23 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 06:49:01 pm
Yet, rather than attempt to remove them, several major figures instead pledge their allegiance to the Crown!
Will this novel new form of government succeed, or be torn down by greed and the old guard?
Glory to Teufort. (https://youtu.be/DbBB1j5qAFs)
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 06:50:27 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 14, 2022, 06:51:17 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 14, 2022, 06:58:51 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 14, 2022, 07:06:35 pm
Or do we just defenestrate the cavemen? Can we defenestrate the cavemen?I mean, we can. But if we do, the thing that I previously said was sewn up becomes a risk again, and it becomes a matter of chance which side gets it. That would then decide the game. Of course, we could ALL go for it, setting off my hat and causing Ragnarok. I'm up for that too. Hatnarok would at least be a funny end.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 07:39:25 pm
If Max explicitly stated that toony was his scumbuddy, and I agreed to lynch Max D2 if Toony flipped town, would you change your mind and be willing to lynch toony today?
Post by: notquitethere on September 14, 2022, 07:42:50 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 07:49:39 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 14, 2022, 07:52:45 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 08:23:30 pm
NQT, I'm keeping two strings on my bow right now. I am comfortable winning as town, but am also comfortable winning with everyone. If Max is launched, Chaos faction gains majority, and the final mafia will be effectively unlynchable because the chaos faction wants to extend the game as long as possible in an attempt to get a Hat Tyrant win and they will have majority at that point. If instead of the two mafia members, the one voted out is the mafia member inside the Chaos faction, then Order maintains majority and both non-hat-tyrant objectives remain within reach. Additionally, it furthers our Town wincon to vote out mafia members, which from your perspective is the only wincon and from my perspective is an approximately equal wincon. So you get what you want - a voted out maf, and I get what I want - a voted out Chaos. Tomorrow is tomorrow, but voting out Tooney (the mafia chaos) will help us both more than any other lynch (including no-lynch) at this time.(https://i.postimg.cc/nrstY3xS/53fa6b5520f2aefa3b6675f6481db0c8.png)
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 08:25:23 pm
To much word. Think hard, vote Max? Max bad. We goodLess word good.
Me vote player
Me no vote self
Me no vote no one
Post by: ToonyMan on September 14, 2022, 08:43:16 pm
Hat Tyrant me
Town Chaos most loyal followers
Mafia Chaos also okay
Town Order need to go
Mafia Order really want go
Reads
Tooney - Hat Tyrant
Knightwing - Town Chaos, good player prove worth
Tric - Town Chaos, knows what they want
NQT - Town Order, they Give good direction but will need to eliminate
Jim - Null, what are they Into
Max - Mafia Order, Desire death
Lenglon - Mafia Order?, must die
Fallacy - Mafia Order?, must die
Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 09:57:44 pm
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Updated vote count just cuz I should be going to bed soon. Remains to be seen whether I will or not.
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 14, 2022, 09:59:21 pm
There is a lot to comment here regarding the ethics and philosophy of playing a mafia game. If a group of players come together to participate in a game of mafia, then the assumption should be that each of them want to participate in a fair contest where each of them are making a good faith effort to play according to the rules and that they are making a good faith effort to play to win. Depending on the game and the moderator there may not be an explicit rule that stipulates that players must play according to the win condition they have received at the start of the game, but in keeping with the goal of participation in a group contest and in the interest of good sportsmanship, it should not be a stretch to say that players should play according to their win condition. However, depending on the mechanics of the game being played, playing to win and playing according to the win condition received at the start of the game may not necessarily be the same.
We find ourselves with an ethical question, though in the larger scheme of things a rather insignificant and inconsequential one. Which is the more ethical and more sportsmanlike path for the player of a mafia game? In games where changes of win conditions are possible, is it acceptable for a player to play in a manner that advances an eventual change to his win condition? What criteria should be used to judge whether this is acceptable or not? There are a range of potential considerations that make such judgments difficult. If the intent of the game is that players change their alignment in pursuit of victory, then clearly it is sportsmanlike to pursue such a path. But what of games where pursuing alignment changes is not intended? While players must follow the rules and should be good sportsmen, they are not obligated to play according to the intent of the mechanics as created by the moderator of the game. If it is more efficient for a player to seek victory by changing his win condition, and there is no rule preventing him from doing so, is he being unsportsmanlike or, rather, being creative?
Opinions will differ, but for this game in particular, should it be considered unsportsmanlike to seek a mafia victory by converting the win condition of all players to mafia allies through the creative use of available game mechanics? If the player's alignment is town, the player would not be playing according to his win condition to do so, but if he had cooperation from all members of his team to execute this plan, is it unsportsmanlike? The player would not be compromising the victory of his team in pursuit of the player's own victory in this case. What if the player is mafia? Exercising a plan to allow all players victory would require revealing themselves to the rest of the players as mafia, which in normal circumstances would make a conventional victory extraordinarily difficult and severely hamper the rest of the mafia team's ability to secure a conventional victory, but would result in an eventual mafia victory. The only unsportsmanlike act, in this instance, would seem to be denying the moderator the game they wished to run and expected to moderate.
While the question of sportsmanship in mafia games may not be may not be easily resolved for circumstances like these, the most effective method to assure that a player's victory is tightly bound to achievement of the player's win condition is prevention. By carefully constructing rules and game mechanics, the moderator can ensure that players play the game of mafia as all parties involved expect and that each player's duty to be sportsmanlike is apparent and clear.
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Why you want rail for Kalashnikov? Is not good enough as procured from Izhevsk Mechanical Works? You think needs improvement? Then maybe you find job with army of Russia! You have drinks with Mikhail Kalashnikov, trade story of many weapons designed and details of school for engineering!
Or maybe you not do this. Probably is because you never design weapon in whole life. You look at fine Russian rifle, think it need crazy shit stick on all sides of weapon. You have disease of American capitalist, change thing that is fine for no reason except to look different from comrade. You put cheap flashlight of Chinese slave factory on one side, you put bad scope of American middle west on other side, you put front pistol grip on bottom so you are like American movie guy John Rambo. Maybe you put sex dildo on top to fuck yourself in asshole for making shameful travesty of rifle of Mikhail Kalashnikov, no?
Rifle is fine. You fuck it, it only get heavy and you still no hit largest side of barn. Go to firing range, practice with many magazine of cartridge. Then you not need dumb shit put on side of rifle.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
John Stalvern waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were demons in the base. He didn't see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
John was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad "I want to be on the ships daddy."
Dad said "No! You will BE KILL BY DEMONS"
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were demons.
"This is Joson" the radio crackered. "You must fight the demons!"
So John gotted his palsma rifle and blew up the wall.
"HE GOING TO KILL US" said the demons
"I will shoot at him" said the cyberdemon and he fired the rocket missiles. John plasmaed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the demons" he shouted
The radio said "No, John. You are the demons"
And then John was a zombie.
But to sum it all up, I just want to play an honest game of mafia, and it looks like I'm denied that this game since at least one mafia has already been revealed, and if I wanted to pursue the everybody wins ending I am denied that as well due to players being committed to oppose it, and therefore there is only one win condition left I can genuinely pursue in this game, and for that reason I choose to desire hats.
Spoiler: Hat mafia: A visual (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 14, 2022, 10:00:06 pm
Come on let's hammer him so I can get his hat.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 10:22:07 pm
Anyways, you might notice that the only way to change your wincon in this game is to do it yourself. Sure, it's possible that you make that choice on accident, but it's also possible to gun for it intentionally. So it would be reasonable to assume that changing your alignment on purpose is on some level intentional.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 10:23:26 pm
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One off hammer. Dewit.
Post by: Lenglon on September 14, 2022, 10:44:41 pm
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 14, 2022, 10:52:55 pm
Maximum Spin perishes to Elimination.
His Alignment is Mafia.
Quote from: Maximum Spin's hat
Murder Crown
A pure golden crown with a menacing aura. The one who wears it sees visions of the Hat Baron and is filled with a murderous rage...
If your alignment is Town, it becomes Mafia Ally permanently upon obtaining this hat.
Mafiakill: Select a Player. That player dies at night.
It is now Night 1. Please send in night actions. If you don't want to do anything, send "Turtle".
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 03:09:09 pm
Perhaps the terror is over? Or perhaps not.
The precise events of the past night are unclear, for the time being. Will they spell salvation, or doom?
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 03:13:16 pm
Today is Hatlo! Eliminate the hat-pretender or weep!
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:14:20 pm
I started the game with the Gibus
Last night I attempted to Mug Toonyman for his hat. This is because I believed that he had the Vigi hat based on Max's claim yesterday here:
By the way, Lenglon: I know it looks like there might be a certain uncontrolled variable in the plan, but there actually isn't. It's sewn up. I assume you will understand what this means.which was repeated here when I was pushing for a Toonyman lynch:
Or do we just defenestrate the cavemen? Can we defenestrate the cavemen?I mean, we can. But if we do, the thing that I previously said was sewn up becomes a risk again, and it becomes a matter of chance which side gets it. That would then decide the game. Of course, we could ALL go for it, setting off my hat and causing Ragnarok. I'm up for that too. Hatnarok would at least be a funny end.
However, when I attempted to do this, I encountered other people attempting the same thing, and I was not the person who ended up with the vigi hat.
additionally, my Gibus was stolen from me last night, and as a result I am currently hatless.
Post by: notquitethere on September 15, 2022, 03:20:17 pm
Or was that Max misdirection?
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 03:21:11 pm
Actually reading it, I would have received a copy of the hat. So, does the steal go off before the other?
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:23:35 pm
Egan: If someone gets into a Mug-scuffle and loses, and someone else also attempts to mug that person, who gets the hat?
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:25:04 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 03:25:51 pm
In case it isn't clear, I'm going for town-win, not hat-win. Last night I used the Doctor hat on Lenglon.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 03:25:58 pm
Bear in mind that during my scuffle with others about who got to Mug toonyman, the winner of the scuffle steals one hat from all the others involved.
Egan: If someone gets into a Mug-scuffle and loses, and someone else also attempts to mug that person, who gets the hat?
Special case cuz I didn't play that through. Non-scuffle steal happens earlier.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 03:28:06 pm
also: Egan: if a mug-scuffle occurs, does the group's target still end up being mugged?Yes. So three muggers on one target is enough to instantly end the game, assuming that the original target and the other victims all have hats to steal.
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 03:28:35 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:31:10 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 03:34:19 pm
OK Jim, Knightwing64, ToonyMan and TricMagic— Max has soft-claimed being mafia:Max: I am currently assuming you have the crown and your partner is avoiding the current discussion so you won't have all your eggs in one basket.By the way, Lenglon: I know it looks like there might be a certain uncontrolled variable in the plan, but there actually isn't. It's sewn up. I assume you will understand what this means.NQT: Are you his partner?
I know you might be tempted to give into the scheme wherein each night one person becomes a mafia-ally. But what's to stop the mafia just launching the last town player at the end of the game? You should play to win, and most of you are town so let's win by getting rid of Max and then his partner.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:36:04 pm
At the moment we need to figure out who the last mafia is, otherwise the hat tyrant will rise tonight. Probably. Don't even need to successfully steal from me, they'd just get a new hat no matter the result.Not true. one of the nearly-hat-tyrant's hats is the Gibus already, and you can't have two of them. Only way to get multiple hats in a single night is mug-scuffle or Gibus. So if everyone who still has a hat turtles, the nearly-hat-tyrant can't reach 4 hats.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:43:16 pm
Lenglon: Gibus
Tric: Doctor
Max: Murder Crown
everyone else has not claimed.
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 03:43:30 pm
Wait, it is four hats needed. So how are we at hatlo day 2..
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:45:43 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 03:57:00 pm
At this point wouldn't be surprised if Toony is mafia-ally now, but we know they didn't kill last night. No clue about Jim though. I kinda question your townieness after yesterday too. You mostly get off cause it's hatlo today, but if they have three hats, then any vig or the mafia should deal with them tonight.. Which only works if we know their name in the first place, town or not. It also reduces the number of targets for today that we need to scrutinize.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 03:58:06 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 04:00:14 pm
Egan: Does successful use of the Doctor Hat to block the mafiakill tell the doctor it worked?
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 04:02:20 pm
It's questions like these that make me suspect you of being the other mafia.
nin.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 04:04:26 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 04:05:37 pm
Tric, you literally confirmed that you got the Gibus from me. I'm confirmed-town by YOU. Don't waste either of our time implying that I'm maf. I can be mistaken, sure, I'm only human, but I'm confirmed and your the person who confirmed me.
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 04:16:21 pm
Nevermind, reread the rules. Sigh.
notquitethere
Jim Groovester
Lenglon-gibtown
Knightwing64
ToonyMan
TricMagic-Doc
So Jim, NQT, or Fal from my perspective. Probobly.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 04:22:14 pm
Today is Hatlo! Eliminate the hat-pretender or weep!
WHAT
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 04:23:01 pm
Everyone mugged you at once Toony, the person with your hat has three hats now. Which hat was it?Today is Hatlo! Eliminate the hat-pretender or weep!
WHAT
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 04:29:47 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 04:31:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 04:34:59 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/i8vaxeK.png)
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 04:39:17 pm
Now that it's Day 1, and we are clearly not willing to go for a Everyone-Wins strat, it's time for everyone to fullclaim.I'm going to try being completely open and honest, unlike last game.
I started the game with the Froggy Hat, and currently I have no hats. You know what that means.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 04:46:38 pm
Why you no Turtle?Now that it's Day 1, and we are clearly not willing to go for a Everyone-Wins strat, it's time for everyone to fullclaim.I'm going to try being completely open and honest, unlike last game.
I started the game with the Froggy Hat, and currently I have no hats. You know what that means.
Because you want whole cookie too.
Just like I
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 04:49:24 pm
We're at hatlo because of the mug-scuffle I was in and lost. I know who else was in it but I think they're town and don't want a target on their back for having three hats.You try steal me hat too!!
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 04:51:05 pm
Indeed. We both know who has three hats. Luckilly for them, I think they're town, and I think you do too, else you'd have outed them. Are you okay with a Toony lynch today?Now that it's Day 1, and we are clearly not willing to go for a Everyone-Wins strat, it's time for everyone to fullclaim.I'm going to try being completely open and honest, unlike last game.
I started the game with the Froggy Hat, and currently I have no hats. You know what that means.
Sure did! Me club biggest club! You club puny club! Biggest club gets mostest things. Puny club gets no things! No cookie for you!We're at hatlo because of the mug-scuffle I was in and lost. I know who else was in it but I think they're town and don't want a target on their back for having three hats.You try steal me hat too!!
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 04:59:06 pm
False Hat Tyrant probably not win tonight cause FoU and Lenglon. We safe from them. We have chance to win cookies and women for meselves.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 04:59:20 pm
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Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 05:03:47 pm
Why you no Turtle?Acshually nope
Because you want whole cookie too.
Just like I
Fally Fal want Toony no have whole cookie
Because spite
Toony brain thinkie understandy?
Who has the crown? If anyone.Indeed. We both know who has three hats. Luckilly for them, I think they're town, and I think you do too, else you'd have outed them. Are you okay with a Toony lynch today?Now that it's Day 1, and we are clearly not willing to go for a Everyone-Wins strat, it's time for everyone to fullclaim.I'm going to try being completely open and honest, unlike last game.
I started the game with the Froggy Hat, and currently I have no hats. You know what that means.
I do know Toony is 100% going for hat tyrant, so yes, I'm okay with that execution. But after, we can't let the person-who-has-three-hats achieve the hat tyrant wincon. You get me?
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:06:12 pm
Indeed. People who have hats should turtle tonight if the game doesn't end. I'll be attempting to mug the person who has three hats. You'll be free to do as you wish, including mugging me if you think I'm lying about currently having no hats. sound good?Why you no Turtle?Acshually nope
Because you want whole cookie too.
Just like I
Fally Fal want Toony no have whole cookie
Because spite
Toony brain thinkie understandy?Who has the crown? If anyone.Indeed. We both know who has three hats. Luckilly for them, I think they're town, and I think you do too, else you'd have outed them. Are you okay with a Toony lynch today?Now that it's Day 1, and we are clearly not willing to go for a Everyone-Wins strat, it's time for everyone to fullclaim.I'm going to try being completely open and honest, unlike last game.
I started the game with the Froggy Hat, and currently I have no hats. You know what that means.
I do know Toony is 100% going for hat tyrant, so yes, I'm okay with that execution. But after, we can't let the person-who-has-three-hats achieve the hat tyrant wincon. You get me?
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:10:44 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 05:12:43 pm
Indeed. People who have hats should turtle tonight if the game doesn't end. I'll be attempting to mug the person who has three hats. You'll be free to do as you wish, including mugging me if you think I'm lying about currently having no hats. sound good?Sounds good. I trust that you're town since nobody's counterclaimed the Gibbus claim - I don't trust that you yourself wouldn't go for Tyrant if you had the chance. I don't think it's highly likely but I can't rule it out.
I do know you don't want someone else to win via Tyrant, and since actions resolve simultaneously, I trust that you'll do the mugging.
That said, do you suspect who - if anyone - might have dug up the Crown?
oh, and if the third person involved in our mug-scuffle actually doesn't have any hats and FoU is lying, please mug FoU tonight if the game doesn't end with a Toony lynch.Yeah I'm not going for Tyrant. But if I was, I'd expect you to beat me up and you'd be right to do so.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 05:13:19 pm
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???Why you no Turtle?Acshually nope
Because you want whole cookie too.
Just like I
Fally Fal want Toony no have whole cookie
Because spite
Toony brain thinkie understandy?
Toony not mug you!! Me mug NQT and take hat. They give yeehaw hat easy cause not turtle
oh, and if the third person involved in our mug-scuffle actually doesn't have any hats and FoU is lying, please mug FoU tonight if the game doesn't end with a Toony lynch.Me
NOT
die
ME BE HAT TYRANT
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:15:12 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 05:19:23 pm
And Toony just confirmed that NQT is town for us. Thank you very, very much for your cooperation.UH, YEAH?
ME TOWN
NQT PROBABLY TOWN LIKE ME SAID DAY 1
DOC MD TRIC PROBABLY TOWN
MAFIA BE COP HAT?
TOONY DON'T VOTE THEM EITHER WAY
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 05:21:06 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:32:22 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 15, 2022, 05:33:48 pm
Most likely Toony is scum, but I'm not 100% AND I enjoy the caveman routine. I'll vote when we've heard from everyone.
As Lenglon suggests, the game is probably mechanically locked in favour of town.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:36:46 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 05:37:44 pm
Oh, come to think of it, the person with the vigi hat can shoot cop or doc hat tonight if game doesn't end.Vig shoot YOU for ruining fun n game
That in your big callcoolasions mister signtist??
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 05:40:04 pm
Come to think of it, toony + mugscuffle targeting toony is 4 players. Crown awakened. Tric has doc hat + gibbus. If crown went to Tric that's 3 hats on tric as well as the person who scuffled with me and FoU. Person with vigi hat, please shoot tric tonight if game doesn't end. Thank you.Tric innocent doctor
Tric SAVE lives while we destroy them
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:56:07 pm
Puny tyrantOh, come to think of it, the person with the vigi hat can shoot cop or doc hat tonight if game doesn't end.Vig shoot YOU for ruining fun n game
That in your big callcoolasions mister signtist??
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 05:58:04 pm
I say that as a compliment to the mod, though.
Did anyone actually try to get the crown? I'm not sure.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 05:59:37 pm
This is the dumbest game.Doesn't really matter if they did since it's awakened.
I say that as a compliment to the mod, though.
Did anyone actually try to get the crown? I'm not sure.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 06:01:10 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 06:01:33 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 06:05:00 pm
Does the hat kill things while not worn?I don't know, but again, it doesn't really matter. When it awakened it put itself on someone at random
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 06:15:26 pm
Ah, so that's how it is. Lovely.Does the hat kill things while not worn?I don't know, but again, it doesn't really matter. When it awakened it put itself on someone at random
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 06:16:33 pm
Instead, we descend into chaos and madness.
ToonyMan. This is my revenge. I don't care if you're town, if you're going for the hat victory you can't be trusted.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 15, 2022, 06:20:56 pm
Fallacy
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 06:27:18 pm
No, Toony inno u furryToony has chosen death.
Fallacy
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 06:28:01 pm
FalscyofUrist
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 06:33:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 06:34:49 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 06:35:50 pm
But I acknowledge and respect your difference in opinion. Now prepare to die.
Post by: hector13 on September 15, 2022, 06:36:25 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 06:45:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 06:59:18 pm
Breaking the game is always fun. In small ways or big ways, you know? It's fun to take the Rubicks Cube apart.How is a victory where players are spoonfed how to win without doing anything fun? Sure maybe some players get to enjoy a method to "solve" the game at the start, but you might as well close the book at that point. It's over. There's nothing that anybody can do because the outcome is determined and that fucking sucks.
But I acknowledge and respect your difference in opinion. Now prepare to die.
so knightwing got the crown. neato. whatever. toony dies today.We don't know if this is true. Knightwing might just want to have fun like me.
Jim's post at the end of D1 had me in stitches. Do you think that happens if we follow the script? Fuck no. I will not be satisfied unless a single player achieves Hat Tyrant victory. I want it to be me of course, which is how I'm mainly playing the game, however another playing snatching victory would be just as entertaining and hard to guess.
It wouldn't just involve reading the first three pages of the game and going "oh so that's how they do it" and closing the book without a second thought.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 15, 2022, 07:12:55 pm
so knightwing got the crown. neato. whatever. toony dies today.
I did? Sweet
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 15, 2022, 07:13:43 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 07:26:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 07:43:08 pm
okay? we aren't going for a universal win. we're going for a town win. Toony is the last maf, which is why I'm voting him. simple as that.I'm not, but I also don't plan on voting Tric or Jim (we can process of elimination this now) so that the game will continue.
If Tric and Jim agree with me and NQT doesn't then that's still 4v4 and a tie is decided randomly. So we could have another night of Hatageddon.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 07:43:40 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on September 15, 2022, 08:00:08 pm
Quote from: vote!
notquitethere 0
Jim Groovester 0
Lenglon 0
Knightwing64 0
FallacyofUrist 2 Knightwing64, ToonyMan
ToonyMan 2 Lenglon, FallacyofUrist
TricMagic 0
No Elimination 0
Not Voting: notquitethere, Jim Groovester, TricMagic
4 Hammers 🔨
Voting ends Saturday the 17th, 4:00 PM EST
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:11:47 pm
Me don't think Lenglon/FoU/Knightwing switch, come down to NQT/Jim/Tric
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 08:17:39 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 08:28:34 pm
Mobile in bed right now. So Jim claims the cop hat. And yeah, can only be one of us. I can't win tonight at 1, as I have 2 hats. So going into tomorrow would be a lose state as mafia.
So big should hit either Jim or Toony, which ends the game with town victory if the hat tyrant doesn't occur. Not wanting the chance, have to decide which is which.
Time to come out of the cave Toony.
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 15, 2022, 08:30:25 pm
Come ooooon you know you want to. You know you want to frustrate Hall Lenglonitor's efforts to impose order on this game.
as a reminder: the last maf started with vigi/cop/doctor hats. vigi hat started on Toony, cop started on Jim, doctor started on Tric. everyone else is confirmed as not-maf. FoU CANNOT be maf.
This is false, I did not start the game with the cop hat. I have the frilly hat that Knightwing64 claimed to have. However, I also do not care that he claims to have it since I am a hat monarchist and wish to see a hat king crowned. He can confirm or deny that he has the cop hat if it is within his preferences to do so.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 08:33:29 pm
KW, please stop voting the confirmed town player (FoU). if you are going to insist on voting not-Toony, then you should be voting Jim.
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 08:35:04 pm
Come to think of it, toony + mugscuffle targeting toony is 4 players. Crown awakened. Tric has doc hat + gibbus. If crown went to Tric that's 3 hats on tric as well as the person who scuffled with me and FoU. Person with vigi hat, please shoot tric tonight if game doesn't end. Thank you.
Note, an awakened 👑 will hop to another player when you die. Surprise, max is already dead. Egan, does that mean the 👑 would still be in the grave.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 08:40:38 pm
!! good question !!Come to think of it, toony + mugscuffle targeting toony is 4 players. Crown awakened. Tric has doc hat + gibbus. If crown went to Tric that's 3 hats on tric as well as the person who scuffled with me and FoU. Person with vigi hat, please shoot tric tonight if game doesn't end. Thank you.
Note, an awakened 👑 will hop to another player when you die. Surprise, max is already dead. Egan, does that mean the 👑 would still be in the grave.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:42:27 pm
as a reminder: the last maf started with vigi/cop/doctor hats. vigi hat started on Toony, cop started on Jim, doctor started on Tric. everyone else is confirmed as not-maf. FoU CANNOT be maf.Perfect
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 08:42:39 pm
So [color=]Jim[/color]?
Ninja. Anyway, phone posts on bed.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 08:45:24 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:47:04 pm
Mobile in bed right now. So Jim claims the cop hat. And yeah, can only be one of us. I can't win tonight at 1, as I have 2 hats. So going into tomorrow would be a lose state as mafia.If you have 2 hats you win tonight if player with Vig hat kill player with Crown and goes to you while you mug someone.
Boom Hat Tyrant Tric
... From last post, think it's Jim who's last mafia? Previous kw/Jim posts seem to contridict. Toony wanted to crown themselves, but Jim came in for the final hammer. So Max vs Toony is unlikely without mafia completely breaking cohesion in their thread.Me not vote Jim or you
Me dont have to think who maf between Jim Tric
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:48:25 pm
I would prefer a toony lynch by a fairly large margin but I can accept a Jim lynch and hope for the vigi hat to shoot toony overnight.You happy with any lynch
Lenglon doughnut want think brain
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 08:50:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:50:40 pm
This is false, I did not start the game with the cop hat. I have the frilly hat that Knightwing64 claimed to have. However, I also do not care that he claims to have it since I am a hat monarchist and wish to see a hat king crowned. He can confirm or deny that he has the cop hat if it is within his preferences to do so.KW smart he earn cookies and women
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 08:51:27 pm
.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:51:55 pm
If the crown did end up looted... What's the chance Toony has it right now and is deflecting? Them looting max makes sense. Them covering makes sey. Or they just want a hat tyrant.Me no have crown, me mug NQT
FoU could have crown, if we vote FoU he drop crown which go to random player tonight
Crown could go Tric and then Tric mug and win
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 08:52:08 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 08:54:45 pm
FoU could have crown, if we vote FoU he drop crown which go to random player tonightThe crown is probably on Jim to be honest, and I think he's lying because he needs to get *not toony* lynched to win as a maf-ally. I'm still quite certain Toony is last maf.
Crown could go Tric and then Tric mug and win
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 08:57:07 pm
it's an extremely low chance. Toony started with the vigi hat and stole NQT's hat last night.It at least 1/5 chance, me math
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 08:57:50 pm
Toony, you remember last game I played? May have gone along with you yesterday, but mostly cause I don't trust scum and played to town wincon. Unlike you and others.
Toony math wrong.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:00:44 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:02:10 pm
Toony, you remember last game I played? May have gone along with you yesterday, but mostly cause I don't trust scum and played to town wincon. Unlike you and others.You Master of Hats
you want the hats
me think about Tric while playing Hat of Time, Tric is persona of hats
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 09:16:04 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 15, 2022, 09:16:49 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:17:46 pm
He loves the hats
He have All the Hats in BYOR15
His head warm when he outside
Sun stay out of eyes
Run fast, slow down time, throw explosives, freeze foes!
So many hats, practical and fashionable
Baseball caps, snow hats, helmets, top hats, bowler hats, visors!
TricMaaagic, Master of Hats~
He wants the haaaaats
One big cookie better than piece of spoonfed cookie
No-fun-Lenglon and Falsacy want to ruins the game
TricMagic have chance to win hat victory
Hat victory best victory~~!!
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 09:20:01 pm
That speaks wonders for what Egan's future games will be like.
I still say we defenestrate ToonyMan.
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 09:20:47 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 15, 2022, 09:21:51 pm
I still say we defenestrate ToonyMan.
Nay, thou.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:25:39 pm
Toony, the only way I'd be making it harder for Tric to collect hats would be if you're scum. You keep saying I'm making it harder for Tric to collect hats. So you're confessing to being scum?tsk tsk tsk
Fallacy not want all hats, they can die
Me want all hats, me can't die
It that simple
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 09:26:09 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 09:28:19 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:32:59 pm
... if I say I want all the hats, will you vote yourself?
Die for me so I can take all your hats toony.No, me can't die
Yous want "town win", yous don't care if die
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 09:33:21 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 09:36:13 pm
Yous want "town win", yous don't care if dieIf that were the case, then why did I mug you last night?
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:36:40 pm
Do you have crown Toony?No :(
Max die because he not want hats
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:37:37 pm
Hats are irresistibleYous want "town win", yous don't care if dieIf that were the case, then why did I mug you last night?
Post by: TricMagic on September 15, 2022, 09:40:59 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 09:41:15 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 15, 2022, 09:42:04 pm
Here's a hint Toony: I don't care how I win. I'm fine winning with everyone, I'm fine winning with town, I'm fine with becoming hat tyrant. Right now? fastest, cleanest, most clear way to win is over your dead body. Die for me toony. Vote yourself. Do it. I WANT TO BATHE IN YOUR BLOOD.Hats are irresistibleYous want "town win", yous don't care if dieIf that were the case, then why did I mug you last night?
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:44:41 pm
If you want all hats, it is clear what you must do. Murder Jim and release the 👑.Maybe but me like Jim, why think Jim have crown? NQT or FoU or Knightwing could have Toony thinks.
If hats are really irresistible why doesn't your profile picture have a stack of hats?It was tempting.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 15, 2022, 09:49:49 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/xSGgDkj.jpeg)Here's a hint Toony: I don't care how I win. I'm fine winning with everyone, I'm fine winning with town, I'm fine with becoming hat tyrant. Right now? fastest, cleanest, most clear way to win is over your dead body. Die for me toony. Vote yourself. Do it. I WANT TO BATHE IN YOUR BLOOD.Hats are irresistibleYous want "town win", yous don't care if dieIf that were the case, then why did I mug you last night?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 09:52:06 pm
Shed blood for hat god
Blood, blood, blood, bloody blood blood
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 15, 2022, 10:18:13 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You know you want to.
You know you have to.
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2022, 02:22:12 am
Toony
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 02:56:38 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 16, 2022, 04:33:19 am
This is all very funny. I'm going to go for the win now.
Toony
what a heathen, it okay Toony I think u cool and handsome
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 05:55:21 am
Me have power to DELETE town and mafia wincon
Town and mafia will never win, only hat tyrant
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 06:13:16 am
Toony steal club from Egah
Toony break game too!!
THERE
CAN
BE
ONLY
ONE
WINNER
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 16, 2022, 06:55:05 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 16, 2022, 07:27:25 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 16, 2022, 07:30:58 am
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2022, 09:01:40 am
There's 7 players, who isn't voting yet?
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2022, 09:02:31 am
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 09:22:52 am
So skilled, voting outed mafia in a game with no claim space.
You want easy win, you lose spirit of game. This hat mafia bastard. Mod make the rules. Me appease mod with play.
Game will not end. You lose NQT, good day sir.
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 09:29:17 am
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 09:33:50 am
Toony has literally confessed to being last maf.
You've already lost NQT.Did it right here in response to NQT voting him.
So skilled, voting outed mafia in a game with no claim space.
You want easy win, you lose spirit of game. This hat mafia bastard. Mod make the rules. Me appease mod with play.
Game will not end. You lose NQT, good day sir.
Could you please vote the outed maf?
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 09:40:04 am
Going ahead and voting Jim.Jim won't selfvote so even if me and KW vote him we can't get 4 for hammer, unfortunately.
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 09:55:17 am
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 09:58:01 am
Please stop helping the mafia by keeping the game tied between the confirmed town FoU and the outed mafia Toonyman.EGAN: What actually happens if votes are tied?Mafia picks. Or maybe I pick whoever's funnier, I haven't decided yet.
I can't really believe mafia would split so hard though. It's completely against the spirit of mafia.You've literally never heard of bussing before? A maf that confesses to being maf will almost always have their partner vote them hard for it.
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2022, 10:00:35 am
I am somewhat tempted by Toony's argument that playing on into the night would be more engaging... and who wouldn't want a chance at becoming the hat tyrant? But still, I should be consistent and say my current wincon is sufficient.
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 10:03:38 am
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 10:16:34 am
Honestly, this game is frustrating and I just want it over with at this point. There's no scumhunting, almost half the town is gamethrowing, there's no puzzle to solve, this isn't fun or engaging. Could we please just end it already?Me wonder why you have no fun
Me explain
1. Scum hunting fun
2. Being scum fun
No scum hunting allowed in this game, so Toony make fun instead of boring bland script
We all become scum and try be hat tyrant, that fun
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 10:24:27 am
I think it's possible Jim ended up a mafia-ally last night. It doesn't matter. If we're wrong about Toony (how?) the vig will sort it all out.We already know NQT strong great player as town, what does town win prove here?
I am somewhat tempted by Toony's argument that playing on into the night would be more engaging... and who wouldn't want a chance at becoming the hat tyrant? But still, I should be consistent and say my current wincon is sufficient.
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 10:42:14 am
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 10:44:37 am
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 10:46:52 am
My main issue is that I don't believe Toony's claims of being mafia. They just want hat tyrant. So the other would be Jim, right?Why Tric try to end game?
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 10:55:01 am
My main issue is that I don't believe Toony's claims of being mafia. They just want hat tyrant. So the other would be Jim, right?Yeah, no, that's stupid and I'm not going to humor it anymore. Can you at least vote Toony out to BREAK THE TIE WITH THE CONFIRMED TOWN PLAYER? As NQT said, the person with the Vigi-hat will shoot jim overnight. Here's your reminder that the maf gets to decide who dies in a tie.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 11:02:37 am
FoU have crown, we stop FoU from tyranny
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 11:15:11 am
Vig on Toony side. Vig gonna shoot No Fun Lenglon.yeah, no. Can we please just end this farce of a game and move on already?
FoU have crown, we stop FoU from tyranny
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 11:35:46 am
Vig on Toony side. Vig gonna shoot No Fun Lenglon.yeah, no. Can we please just end this farce of a game and move on already?
FoU have crown, we stop FoU from tyranny
You could hammer FoU if you want the game to move on already.
But you won't, since you want the game to be over but only if you win. Quite selfish of you to demand others hurry the game forward but only to your advantage.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 16, 2022, 11:39:14 am
We are like one vote away from a town victory. Is a hat based murder deathmatch really that appealing?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 16, 2022, 11:40:27 am
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 12:06:35 pm
Cause I lose if mafia isn't you. You just want hat tyrant. That sentence right there proves my point quite well. You being lynched won't end the game.My main issue is that I don't believe Toony's claims of being mafia. They just want hat tyrant. So the other would be Jim, right?Why Tric try to end game?
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 12:08:36 pm
This is madness.it's not.
We are like one vote away from a town victory. Is a hat based murder deathmatch really that appealing?
Nqt and I are already voting toony.
Knightwing is a gamethrower, and the only person your argument applies to.
Jim is mafia-ally because crown.
Tric is insane.
Because there are effectively three maf as a voting bloc, this is lylo, and if Tric doesn't fix themselves, town loses.
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 12:42:49 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 12:45:17 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 12:46:47 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/b62CsXR.png)Not quite true. If you stab Jim, you get crown free. Which plays to hat tyrant wincon.
That said, you're probably not budging here? Is that the case?
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 12:49:47 pm
This. This right here. This was what had me worried.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 12:52:04 pm
That said, you're probably not budging here? Is that the case?Why do I get crown free?
I could maybe begrudgingly vote Jim but only if I had to.
I'm pretty sure Jim doesn't have crown and just wants to have fun. Jim shouldn't be the one with three hats either. It's probably FoU. NQT doesn't have 3 hats. Nobody else could have 3 I think.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 12:53:02 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 01:28:33 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 01:29:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 01:30:12 pm
But game continue
Game continue until one is crowned
Hat Tyrant
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 01:30:49 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 01:44:03 pm
Me deadWe'll see.
But game continue
Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2022, 01:50:08 pm
Only, Toonyman is nowhere to be seen! The deep hat vault of Red base is emptied, and the thief can just barely be seen riding off into the sunset, flipping everyone off.
The executioners shrug and decide to beat Jim Grooverster to death instead, but before they can, his Crown pulsates with power, and pulps Jim's head. A voice emerges from his annihilated neck.
"You have defeated my servants, agents of Order. Now, enjoy your reward."
"Mission ends in thirty seconds!"
The voice booms from everywhere, yet nowhere. What is happening?
"Stalemate! You're all losers!"
That's it. You were supposed to be fighting. There were teams, and... and this whole business made you forget! Was the Crown just trying to warn you? To make you use the most of what time remained on this server?
You'll never know, because just then a new map started loading, and all of you ceased to be.
Town victory! Lenglon, FallacyofUrist, notquitethere, TricMagic, and Knightwing64 win!
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 01:51:26 pm
Post by: hector13 on September 16, 2022, 01:53:24 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 16, 2022, 01:57:22 pm
I like how Lenglon complained the town was throwing the game when they were a major proponent of the town throwing the game.
Hey, not everyone is an Expert DiplomatTM.
I think the overall bitching and whining helped move the game state into Tric voting Toonyman, so I think Lenglon did fine.
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 01:58:08 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 01:59:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 02:01:57 pm
Post by: TricMagic on September 16, 2022, 02:03:22 pm
Post by: hector13 on September 16, 2022, 02:06:58 pm
How can anybody be happy about this
I wasn’t even playing and I’m not happy about it!
Post by: EuchreJack on September 16, 2022, 02:07:46 pm
How can anybody be happy about thisI'm ecstatic.
Meme Catalog has been updated! (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178351.30)
Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2022, 02:08:09 pm
How can anybody be happy about this
Like all great compromises, it leaves everyone feeling slighted and disappointed
Post by: hector13 on September 16, 2022, 02:10:48 pm
I don’t understand this fascination with everyone winning that crops up every now and again. There can’t be a winner without a loser.
Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2022, 02:11:36 pm
Post by: hector13 on September 16, 2022, 02:13:26 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 16, 2022, 02:14:13 pm
1) Town won.
2) Mafia lost.
3) Mafia is quite sore about losing, so Town gets that added satisfaction.
4) Town almost lost, so Town has the added satisfaction of actually fighting for that win.
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:19:33 pm
I like how Lenglon complained the town was throwing the game when they were a major proponent of the town throwing the game.
It wasn’t a compromise though?Cooperating with Max's plan was giving me information about the scumteam. I had zero expectation of good faith from the mafia, and expected to be swapping over to working with NQT to lynch Max Day 2. actually having everyone win would have required way more trust and coordination than we could have possibly gotten with the players we had. Step 1 was to get the scumteam to out themselves so that the massclaim solution which I didn't trust the town to actually follow-through on wasn't necessary. Step 2 was to lynch the one that might be compelling to the town players going for Hat Tyrant.
I don’t understand this fascination with everyone winning that crops up every now and again. There can’t be a winner without a loser.
And I myself didn't have a realistic chance of becoming hat tyrant from the starting gate. I started with the gibbus so I was going to absolutely be later to get three hats than anyone else, and on day 2 I had zero hats at all. I played to the only wincon I actually had.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 02:20:37 pm
Post by: hector13 on September 16, 2022, 02:21:22 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 02:21:48 pm
Max straight up outing himself but ALSO ME certainly didn't help keep the game going.I like how Lenglon complained the town was throwing the game when they were a major proponent of the town throwing the game.It wasn’t a compromise though?Cooperating with Max's plan was giving me information about the scumteam. I had zero expectation of good faith from the mafia, and expected to be swapping over to working with NQT to lynch Max Day 2. actually having everyone win would have required way more trust and coordination than we could have possibly gotten with the players we had. Step 1 was to get the scumteam to out themselves so that the massclaim solution which I didn't trust the town to actually follow-through on wasn't necessary. Step 2 was to lynch the one that might be compelling to the town players going for Hat Tyrant.
I don’t understand this fascination with everyone winning that crops up every now and again. There can’t be a winner without a loser.
And I myself didn't have a realistic chance of becoming hat tyrant from the starting gate. I started with the gibbus so I was going to absolutely be later to get three hats than anyone else, and on day 2 I had zero hats at all. I played to the only wincon I actually had.
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:22:53 pm
I don't give a shit about who was town or mafia in this broken game! I wanted the only interesting thing to happen! As soon as players started the "follow my directions so we all win" I immediately didn't want to play anymore. Whether I won or not doesn't matter at all to me in a game like this. Having a boring ass conclusion is what bothers me.Taking the conversation that was going on at face value was your mistake, because that entire proposition was a pack of lies from the beginning.
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:24:33 pm
Did you even notice the timing on WHEN I pressed max to make him out himself? It made the count of players willing to work with him just right so that his partner would out themself to get the majority he needed.Max straight up outing himself but ALSO ME certainly didn't help keep the game going.I like how Lenglon complained the town was throwing the game when they were a major proponent of the town throwing the game.It wasn’t a compromise though?Cooperating with Max's plan was giving me information about the scumteam. I had zero expectation of good faith from the mafia, and expected to be swapping over to working with NQT to lynch Max Day 2. actually having everyone win would have required way more trust and coordination than we could have possibly gotten with the players we had. Step 1 was to get the scumteam to out themselves so that the massclaim solution which I didn't trust the town to actually follow-through on wasn't necessary. Step 2 was to lynch the one that might be compelling to the town players going for Hat Tyrant.
I don’t understand this fascination with everyone winning that crops up every now and again. There can’t be a winner without a loser.
And I myself didn't have a realistic chance of becoming hat tyrant from the starting gate. I started with the gibbus so I was going to absolutely be later to get three hats than anyone else, and on day 2 I had zero hats at all. I played to the only wincon I actually had.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 16, 2022, 02:26:08 pm
I don't give a shit about who was town or mafia in this broken game! I wanted the only interesting thing to happen! As soon as players started the "follow my directions so we all win" I immediately didn't want to play anymore. Whether I won or not doesn't matter at all to me in a game like this. Having a boring ass conclusion is what bothers me.Taking the conversation that was going on at face value was your mistake, because that entire proposition was a pack of lies from the beginning.
This blows. Lenglon u suck
You and ur dumb squad of squares
Why u ruin the game
It not fun
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:27:13 pm
The entire point of mafia is that it's a puzzle game. There was no puzzle left. At that point the best thing to do is to just end it so we can get on with a new puzzle.I don't give a shit about who was town or mafia in this broken game! I wanted the only interesting thing to happen! As soon as players started the "follow my directions so we all win" I immediately didn't want to play anymore. Whether I won or not doesn't matter at all to me in a game like this. Having a boring ass conclusion is what bothers me.Taking the conversation that was going on at face value was your mistake, because that entire proposition was a pack of lies from the beginning.
This blows. Lenglon u suck
You and ur dumb squad of squares
Why u ruin the game
It not fun
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 16, 2022, 02:27:32 pm
I don't give a shit about who was town or mafia in this broken game! I wanted the only interesting thing to happen! As soon as players started the "follow my directions so we all win" I immediately didn't want to play anymore. Whether I won or not doesn't matter at all to me in a game like this. Having a boring ass conclusion is what bothers me.
Great minds think alike
Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2022, 02:30:49 pm
I have some suggestions about the setup.
Anything you could change would make it worse. This is the finest mafia game. Or at least at a local maxima.
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:32:20 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 02:36:26 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 16, 2022, 02:38:14 pm
Do you feel accomplished?
Did that satisfy you?
Did you like that ending?
Do you feel good about yourself? Knowing that you became the grinch and just stole all the fun from the game?
-.-
Post by: webadict on September 16, 2022, 02:39:01 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:39:48 pm
Lenglon is right about that Knightwing. They were in the worst position to ever get a Hat Tyrant win.Did take my best shot at it. Mugged the person who would most obviously not be turtling + the person with the vigi hat, while making myself look 100% like i was going to be turtling so nobody would mug me. If the dice on that mug-competition had gone differently I could have won on the spot.
The person with three hats was NQT by the way. Toony, when you mugged NQT, you took his starting hat, and prevented him from instantly becoming Hat Tyrant.
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2022, 02:48:03 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 02:49:20 pm
The fact that people actually did what you said without any resistanceWhat. Did you not read the last many, many pages, of people not doing that?
Knightwing, are you honestly saying that I should have just rolled over and gone afk, not trying to win at all? Hat Tyrant wasn't an option for me. Everyone Wins wasn't going to happen despite me giving it the best shot I could (didn't expect it to actually work, but was giving it the best chance I could). Intentionally picking up the murder crown was just a way to make myself lose. Winning as town was the only option I had left. When you give someone exactly one option, do you expect them to not take it?
I was pretty sure Lenglon and Fallacy knew I was the proto-tyrant so there was no way I was going to be allowed to mug free in the night, otherwise might have been tempted to go for that wincon instead...Yep, we'd already planned things out in-thread. I was going to mug you, and FoU was free to mug me if they didn't trust me, or to do whatever else they liked if they did.
Post by: Jim Groovester on September 16, 2022, 02:58:08 pm
I was pretty sure Lenglon and Fallacy knew I was the proto-tyrant so there was no way I was going to be allowed to mug free in the night, otherwise might have been tempted to go for that wincon instead...
I figured you had the three hats.
I was probably going to mafia kill you during N2. I think this would have gotten me the gibus hat, assuming you didn't shoot me during N2.
Man it would have been really nice to see how the game would have developed towards a hat tyrant game end....
win win win win win win win win win win win win
Have you tried focusing on having fun instead????????????
You say I was right but you missed the point where I decided to have fun instead of going for the most efficient victory.
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 02:58:15 pm
....Lenglon is right about that Knightwing. They were in the worst position to ever get a Hat Tyrant win.The person with three hats was NQT by the way. Toony, when you mugged NQT, you took his starting hat, and prevented him from instantly becoming Hat Tyrant.
What
Holy shit
I stopped the Hat Tyrant win. It was me...
Post by: hector13 on September 16, 2022, 03:00:30 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on September 16, 2022, 03:00:48 pm
I mugged NQT simply because they looked like they weren't going to turtle and nobody else was probably going to mug them.
Post by: EuchreJack on September 16, 2022, 03:03:34 pm
The fact that people actually did what you said without any resistance annoys the hell out of me, sure, you couldn’t win the interesting way, but they literally could. Instead of the probably plot filled and cool hat tyrant ending, we got the bog standard you got all mafia, congrats ending
Do you feel accomplished?
Did that satisfy you?
Did you like that ending?
Do you feel good about yourself? Knowing that you became the grinch and just stole all the fun from the game?
-.-
Wow. Sorest Winner ever here.
Kid, only one thing matters in life:
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I was pretty sure Lenglon and Fallacy knew I was the proto-tyrant so there was no way I was going to be allowed to mug free in the night, otherwise might have been tempted to go for that wincon instead...
I figured you had the three hats.
I was probably going to mafia kill you during N2. I think this would have gotten me the gibus hat, assuming you didn't shoot me during N2.
Man it would have been really nice to see how the game would have developed towards a hat tyrant game end....win win win win win win win win win win win win
Have you tried focusing on having fun instead????????????
You say I was right but you missed the point where I decided to have fun instead of going for the most efficient victory.
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Post by: Egan_BW on September 16, 2022, 03:10:50 pm
I thought the game had ended N1 until you sent your action lol
What
Holy shit
I stopped the Hat Tyrant win. It was me...
Post by: notquitethere on September 16, 2022, 03:13:15 pm
WhatThis game was worth it for this moment of profound irony.
Holy shit
I stopped the Hat Tyrant win. It was me...
Post by: EuchreJack on September 16, 2022, 03:14:02 pm
Post by: Lenglon on September 16, 2022, 03:17:08 pm
Facts.WhatThis game was worth it for this moment of profound irony.
Holy shit
I stopped the Hat Tyrant win. It was me...
Post by: FallacyofUrist on September 16, 2022, 04:39:23 pm
WhatAnd then John was a zombie.
Holy shit
I stopped the Hat Tyrant win. It was me...
Aside from the absurdity present, this game is definitely a lesson in what it means to have a truly open setup. When the exact parameters of all role elements are so well known, it becomes near impossible to lie, or falseclaim.
I think the setup definitely succeeded in being the chaotic mess it was going for, but simple measures like an incomplete list of hats, a list of hats bigger than the number of players, a random number of included power hats, a random player or two not starting with a hat but not being guaranteed to not start with a hat, or even someone starting with two hats...
Where there is uncertainty, there is more room to lie. Since the mafia and non-town parties thrive through lies, some amount of uncertainty is necessary to bring a gamestate into balance.
Post by: Knightwing64 on September 16, 2022, 05:47:42 pm
This blows
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 16, 2022, 05:55:29 pm
I won, but I feel like I lostI had exactly the opposite experience! I definitely won on the spiritual level, here. This was great.
This blows
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 16, 2022, 06:04:09 pm
Post by: notquitethere on September 17, 2022, 01:29:09 am
By the way, I never actually planned to go through with everyone winning.So my gut was right to oppose the plan.
Post by: Lenglon on September 17, 2022, 02:02:22 am
Yep! it provided plenty of pressure and was a big part of getting Max to reveal Toony. Made things a ton easier to have you to work with.By the way, I never actually planned to go through with everyone winning.So my gut was right to oppose the plan.
Post by: Maximum Spin on September 17, 2022, 04:03:54 am
Yep! it provided plenty of pressure and was a big part of getting Max to reveal Toony. Made things a ton easier to have you to work with.Oh, no it wasn't. You have a pretty weird idea of how I react to things. :P
Everything I did was according to the plan I made at the beginning of the day before anyone had even posted, immediately after seeing that there was no space to win normally. You were actually wrong to think that Toony was holding back in the beginning - he just wasn't around yet and there was no coordination at all in PMs, heh.
Post by: Lenglon on September 17, 2022, 04:47:15 am