Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 03, 2022, 08:24:11 pm
As it turns out, immortality is really boring. By the name of the First, living forever is the worst. You've mastered chess over the course of a few decades, most other board games too. New ones are even easier to learn. Your hoard is well stocked, of course - it is your status symbol. Most hoards these days are fairly equal, however - ever since the humans and elves signed that peace treaty, every time you try and steal something properly valuable you get an army dumped on your doorstep - the nerve of those mortals, to think they can oppose you! Except, unfortunately, it's been proven that they can do so, in such large numbers and with the powers of their own mages, massed and used in cohesion. It's no fun.
So by now, you would be utterly insane if not for the game of FBYOR.
As the records clearly state, Most Elder Fallacy, the dragon called 'Of Urist', inscribed the rules for the game on a slate of adamantine. Most Elder Fallacy never quite explained what the sigils making up the name of 'FBYOR' meant, but the game itself is perfect for a dragon of your immense intellect.
Your invitation for this decade has arrived. There is nothing left to do but to declare your acceptance and return, with your response... your 'role submission'.
This is my attempt to make a BYOR that is less bad. Can we please just pretend FBYOR 1 through 4 didn't happen? Thanks.
This will be a medium-high power game. You could call it semi-bastard by default, because while I will not try to be a bastard intentionally, things will just not be truly predictable and will only somewhat be sane. I'll try to make it comprehensible enough for a beginner, but no promises on whether or not I'll succeed.
Here are, for reference, the fundamentals of the game of Mafia.
Spoiler: You Probably Know All This By Now (click to show/hide)
While the dragons may not know this, FBYOR stands for Fallacy's Bring Your Own Role. When you sign up to play, please PM me your role name. I will design your role and abilities based on your role name, and once the game begins, you will possess the role I custom-designed based on the name you chose. Whether you're Town or Mafia or Third Party will not depend in any way on your role submission, since I randomize the alignments. However if you are a Third Party, the role name you sent in may influence what type of Third Party you are. Or maybe you'll submit Paragon of Niceness and Charity and end up being a Serial Killer.
You may select anything at all for your role name as long as it does not violate the forum rules and guidelines. You could submit your favorite physical character (Batman, Squirrel Girl, Omori) or an abstract concept (Murphy's Law, Purpose) or some bizarre amalgam (Cheshire Cat Strikes Back In Theaters Monday, I'm Right Behind You, Shakerag, Can't You Hear Me Whispering), or even a Shakeragian style role (The FBYOR 5 Role That Ignores Rules). I reserve the right to give you silly, broken, absurd, or seemingly useless Abilities if you submit a Shakeragian role.
Don't worry. Everything in the role you eventually receive will have some purpose. Hopefully most of the time that purpose will be obvious, but remember you can always ask me questions about your role in private. In fact, please do so. If you do not read your role correctly and don't ask me about it, what happens next is on you. Did you know Maximum Spin and Roden missed a way to gain infinite Gold last game because they didn't fully read their abilities? Now you do! Always read your role fully and never be afraid to ask me questions about it. In private. Not in public. If someone's dead, you can even ask questions about their role, too!
Some more specific rules, including some things I'm explicitly stating now:
Day Phases last 72 hours for the first and second Days, and 48 hours henceforth, though they still end immediately on Hammer. I reserve the right to extend the duration as needed if a player replaces into the game, a real-life emergency occurs, or an extreme Day Ability resolves. Night Phases last 24 hours always, though they may be shortened if every player submits their desired actions or lack thereof quickly.
No editing your posts, and no directly quoting any PMs you have received from me. You are freely permitted to paraphrase. If you have access to a private chat where your alignment is mod-verified, such as the scumchat, you may quote PMs from me in there. If you have access to a private chat without alignment verification included, you do not possess this privilege. Never directly quote PMs from me in the main thread no matter your alignment.
After the Day is ended via hammer, do not post. You may edit your posts to nullify content posted after the hammer, which is an exception to the above rule. If the Day ends via deadline and not hammer, you may continue to post until I close the thread, but further votes will not count and whoever was Executed may not post (except to produce a single 'bah' post useful for mockery, a joke, or humor, but not permitted to contain game-related content).
Don't be too much of an asshole. Some aggression is fine, too much will have me stepping down from my cloud to warn you to cut it out.
By default you will not be informed when redirection (that is, the changing of your action target by the use of an ability) has occurred during the Night. Sorry.
I'm using sane Natural Action Resolution. While I reserve the right to make super-priority actions, by default your Night actions are resolved according to the Natural Action Resolution as seen on mafiascum wiki, paradox resolution handled via the emergency list, and then rolling for initiative if even that fails.
Again, please talk to me about your role so I can help you understand it. You can't just say 'what am I missing', but you can ask me about any details you like or even make absurd hypotheticals. Your roleblock might have a niche case to it that does something incredible in an unlikely circumstance!
On action failures: there are multiple different types of action failure. Most will give you a result of Your action failed. when they occur. Let's go over the most common types.
Failure to target: Congrats, your target is outside of the game space due to a banishment effect or commuter ability, and cannot be targeted. Your action failed, because you couldn't even use your ability in the first place. Any shots you would have used have not been used.
Failure upon use: Something jammed you at the moment you used it. 'Target player's action will fail' would fall under this category, as would action failure due to "(Status) Curse: Your actions have a 50% chance to fail when used!" or such. Any shots you would have used have not been used.
--Roleblock: A roleblock is a specific type of power that forces action failure. Unlike other failures, if someone is roleblocked, they are explicitly given the message You were roleblocked. - but only if they attempted to act. If a player was roleblocked and did not attempt to act, they do not receive this message. This also does not consume shots.
Failure upon arrival: You successfully used your ability, but alas, woe is you, you hit a player who causes all non-kill actions used on them to fail. Unfortunately in this case your ability fully resolved, it just didn't do its job, so you do lose any shots you tried to use.
Sneaky failure: You successfully used your ability, you got the You performed your action message - and your killshot on webadict hit a protect action. You aren't told your action failed, and technically it didn't - but the effect failed completely even if your action didn't.
This should help resolve some of the confusion I saw about Night action messages.
Let's talk about alignments. There will be a Town team, and there will probably be a Mafia team. I may or may not include Third Parties, based both on randomness and player count, and in an especially big setup I may or may not include a second scumteam with a name such as Werewolves or Gamers. Or in short, there will be a Town, and there will also be an anti-Town, which will probably be the Mafia.
But for your reference here is the Total List Of Alignments. I will not include any alignments outside of these, and the win conditions will always be as stated.
Spoiler: Alignments (click to show/hide)
With all that said and done, here's the signups.
Player List:
Spoiler: Contains spoilers as to game contents, read at your own risk (click to show/hide)
I'll close signups Friday, unless we reach our desired playercount before then.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 03, 2022, 08:25:53 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 03, 2022, 08:37:54 pm
Here is how you do it: IN
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 03, 2022, 08:42:07 pm
Vote Max for not properly stating he was in.I'm a rebel.
Here is how you do it: IN
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 03, 2022, 08:42:38 pm
:p
Post by: EuchreJack on October 03, 2022, 08:57:04 pm
[sent 2 minutes ago]
Post by: webadict on October 03, 2022, 09:13:53 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 04, 2022, 12:22:05 pm
Post by: hector13 on October 04, 2022, 12:52:11 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 04, 2022, 12:52:27 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 04, 2022, 01:55:48 pm
In.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 04, 2022, 03:22:28 pm
Man you put a lot of effort into that opening post that I didn't read.I read it.
In.
There's some weird stuff going on in that OP.
Exhibit A:
Don't worry. Everything in the role you eventually receive will have some purpose. Hopefully most of the time that purpose will be obvious, but remember you can always ask me questions about your role in private. In fact, please do so. If you do not read your role correctly and don't ask me about it, what happens next is on you. Did you know Maximum Spin and Roden missed a way to gain infinite Gold last game because they didn't fully read their abilities? Now you do! Always read your role fully and never be afraid to ask me questions about it. In private. Not in public. If someone's dead, you can even ask questions about their role, too!
How could Roden be in a game from August 2018?
(https://i.imgur.com/PgIcQNn.png)
Take a look at the Player list:
Player list:-hector13-> heydude6(?)
-randomgenericusername-> Shakerag(?)
-TricMagic(?)
-IcyTea31(?)
-TheBiggerFish(?)
-Teneb(Lynched Day 3, A Shitpost)
-Maximum Spin(Lynched Day 1, A role based on the concept "infinite stack of turtles”)
-Caz(Lynched Day 2, Euglandina Rosea)
-Persus13(?)
-Deus Asmoth(?)
-Rockeater-> piratejoe(?)
-Sheldon(?)
-webadict(?)
I think FoU knows something we don't know.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 04, 2022, 03:35:08 pm
I don't see it, though. Fallacy, mind explaining? I read the roles pretty closely for how they interacted, as you'll recall, since I saw the Gold thing you didn't...
Post by: notquitethere on October 04, 2022, 04:02:38 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 04, 2022, 04:46:32 pm
Lol, he's talking about BeBYOR 3, ToonyMan.
I don't see it, though. Fallacy, mind explaining? I read the roles pretty closely for how they interacted, as you'll recall, since I saw the Gold thing you didn't...
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(Day / Auto) Incremental Gold Counter [target/self]: This ability contains 0 Gold currently, but gains 1 Gold every time you, or any player you have used Multiplayer on, are visited by any player other than yourself. If you use this ability as a Day action: spend 3 Gold to give your targeted player or yourself one of the two different Gilded abilities from the below list. A Gilded ability upgraded using Incremental Blood Upgrades will also gain an additional shot.Whenever you were visited by a player other than yourself, you gained 1 Gold.
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(Day, Free) Chaos [target]: Remove the status “Released Evil” from your target if they have it. If “Released Evil” is removed, their action targeting is randomized the next Night.Roden stole this ability from webadict. Since it was a Free ability, he could use it as many times as he wanted. Including, say, one thousand times targeting you. It doesn't matter if it doesn't do anything, it still visits, which triggers your Gold gain.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 04, 2022, 04:49:53 pm
Roden stole this ability from webadict. Since it was a Free ability, he could use it as many times as he wanted. Including, say, one thousand times targeting you. It doesn't matter if it doesn't do anything, it still visits, which triggers your Gold gain.Ah, it's from what he gained, okay. I never noticed the Free on it, no. I'm not sure I would have interpreted it that way if I had.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 04, 2022, 08:39:11 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 04, 2022, 08:50:27 pm
Heck, I should write up a nice Guide To How Fallacy Does Abilities and add it onto the already-bloated OP. Tis a work in progress.
Post by: TolyK on October 05, 2022, 04:39:16 am
Still want to watch the inevitable clusterfuck. :D
Post by: notquitethere on October 05, 2022, 05:09:33 am
I wish I could join, but after carefully considering I have realized I can't in terms of time. Such is adulting... :(Just submit the role "Role For A Busy Adult Who Can At Most Dedicate 10 Minutes A Day To This Game But Still Wants To Play"
Post by: NJW2000 on October 05, 2022, 09:07:09 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 05, 2022, 09:26:24 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 05, 2022, 04:39:25 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 06, 2022, 04:50:12 am
...I wish I could join, but after carefully considering I have realized I can't in terms of time. Such is adulting... :(Just submit the role "Role For A Busy Adult Who Can At Most Dedicate 10 Minutes A Day To This Game But Still Wants To Play"
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 06, 2022, 05:14:36 am
...I wish I could join, but after carefully considering I have realized I can't in terms of time. Such is adulting... :(Just submit the role "Role For A Busy Adult Who Can At Most Dedicate 10 Minutes A Day To This Game But Still Wants To Play"
It’s a good idea, hell, maybe you’ll get power ups based on how long you remain inactive?
Post by: TolyK on October 06, 2022, 10:25:53 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 06, 2022, 11:36:22 am
Post by: Vector on October 06, 2022, 03:48:53 pm
I'll IN. Fallacy, don't yell at me at my role until Friday night at the earliest.
Everyone else, I'm no longer sick but there's substantial exciting nonsense happening IRL, by which I mean I'm catching up on research and my union might go on strike, so get ready to yell at me that I need to do my rereads.
PS. Maybe someday B12 mafia will allow small extensions again. Someday~
Post by: webadict on October 06, 2022, 05:50:13 pm
PS. Maybe someday B12 mafia will allow small extensions again. Someday~*hiss*
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 06, 2022, 06:19:36 pm
PS. Maybe someday B12 mafia will allow small extensions again. Someday~
No.
Post by: hector13 on October 06, 2022, 07:17:36 pm
Post by: webadict on October 06, 2022, 08:57:11 pm
Post by: hector13 on October 06, 2022, 09:32:38 pm
Post by: Roden on October 06, 2022, 11:09:10 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 07, 2022, 12:47:10 am
Post by: Roden on October 07, 2022, 01:26:17 am
Post by: TolyK on October 07, 2022, 04:11:26 am
Post by: juicebox on October 07, 2022, 06:54:45 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 07, 2022, 08:49:14 am
Screw it, I'll inBeen a while, but happy to have you.
And just like that we reach 13 players. I’m excited already.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 07, 2022, 06:10:46 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 07, 2022, 06:15:09 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 07, 2022, 06:38:54 pm
Someone submit Last Minute Role That Unbalances Everything"Last Minute Role That Unbalances Everything!'
"K."
Post by: Nakéen on October 07, 2022, 06:56:42 pm
Post by: hector13 on October 07, 2022, 07:22:34 pm
I can’t put myself through it though so ah well.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 07, 2022, 07:29:51 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 08, 2022, 02:49:48 am
Post by: TolyK on October 08, 2022, 06:18:31 am
Post by: hector13 on October 08, 2022, 09:33:58 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 08, 2022, 02:45:08 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 10, 2022, 08:52:41 pm
Post by: webadict on October 11, 2022, 04:56:14 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 11, 2022, 05:06:50 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 11, 2022, 06:40:17 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 11, 2022, 06:44:15 pm
Post by: webadict on October 11, 2022, 07:01:38 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 11, 2022, 07:12:26 pm
I didn’t order Ratvioli
Post by: TricMagic on October 11, 2022, 07:17:01 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 11, 2022, 10:03:51 pm
Fallacy's Abbreviated Guide To Roles:
Abilities that can be used are referred to as Actions. The set of all abilities is simply called Abilities. (Setup), (Reference), and (Status) tags indicate non-Abilities.
(Setup): This effect triggers pre-game, and typically involves giving you a choice.
(Reference): This isn't technically a part of your role, but describes something used by another part of your role. Still shows up on roleflip, though.
(Status): This isn't an ability, but is rather a status condition that afflicts you. If it appears to do nothing, there may be abilities owned by some other player that make use of it. Does not show up on your roleflip, since it isn't technically part of your role.
(Night): This action is used during the Night phase.
(Day): This action is used during the Day phase. Depending on importance level, either resolves at the end of the Day (more common) or immediately (effectively 'as soon as I can get to my computer and resolve it'). Immediately is reserved for actions of great importance.
(Auto): This ability has a passive effect and cannot be used.
(1-Shot): This action can only be used once, or if it is a passive ability, it can only trigger once. See also (2-Shot), or (3-Shot).
(Disabled): This ability cannot be used and has no effect. Either seen as an inflicted condition, or as a locked ability you must fulfill prerequisites to use.
(Free): This action can be used without using up your one-action-per-Phase limit, but itself can only be used once per Phase.
(Innate): A very special ability. Cannot be Disabled, modified, or removed from your role.
(Mafiakill): A wicked power. Can only be used by Mafia-aligned players. Typically but does not always refer to an ability that kills in some way. Only one Mafiakill can be used per Day-Night cycle.
(Item): A transferable, mobile ability. Multiple rules apply:
-As a Day action you may choose an Item ability you possess and give it to another player, which resolves at the end of the Day but before the execution.
-You may not give away an Item ability the same Phase you gained it.
-If you die while your role contains an Item ability, it enters the public pool. The public pool is always visible during the Day. As a Day action, you may attempt to retrieve a specific Item ability from the public pool and add it to your role. This resolves at the end of the Day, after the execution. If multiple players go for the same pool-bound Item, nobody gets it.
-If an Item ability is shotted and all of its shots are expended, then it is destroyed after effect resolution.
Post by: Egan_BW on October 11, 2022, 10:44:08 pm
Also PTW.
Post by: notquitethere on October 12, 2022, 10:17:55 pm
(Mafiakill): A wicked power. Can only be used by Mafia-aligned players. Typically but does not always refer to an ability that kills in some way.So glad I submitted Role Which Turns The Mafiakill into a Mafialightmassage
Post by: webadict on October 12, 2022, 10:24:39 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 12, 2022, 10:27:30 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 12, 2022, 10:29:14 pm
Post by: webadict on October 12, 2022, 10:43:18 pm
Post by: Lenglon on October 13, 2022, 12:12:36 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 13, 2022, 12:13:30 am
Edit: (I'm the mod I can edit posts whenever I want to) Up to 10/14 sent so far.
Edit: 12/14!
Edit: 14/14. Start of game post incoming. If you have a (Setup) or start-of-game ability, please do not post until you have resolved it with me, please and thank you. You don't have to wait for me to process your choices or such, but do send me your resolution PM before you post.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 13, 2022, 01:44:43 am
Most Elder Fallacy would never risk a dragon's life for a mere game, so every dragon participating has mindshackled a human to use as an avatar.
Nobody will miss them. Nobody will come to save them. Such is life. The avatars will die one by one for the fun of dragons. You smile at the thought.
You look over at the other participants in this great game. Some of them are already plotting murder, you imagine. Maybe you are, too.
If you were, though, you'd certainly never give the game away.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
Roden (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, juicebox, Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, Nakéen, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, Roden, TolyK, ToonyMan, TricMagic, Vector, webadict
8 to hammer.
Nakéen arrives a good few hours late, at which point the mindshackled scribe measuring and tracking the complex web of interactions summarized in the vote board completely fails to notice their presence. Nakéen doesn't bother to correct the scribe, and simply smirks.
Nakéen cannot be executed on Day 1.
Day 1 has begun. Please vote and unvote in red. Day 1 will end in approximately 72 hours, on Sunday, October 16th, 2 AM Central time.
It may also end when a hammer is reached - which is to say, when the majority of player votes are resting on a single player. If the hammer is reached, cease posting and wait for me to resolve the execution.
You may now post. Feel free to PM me any private questions or post in public for any questions that involve publicly accessible information only. Don't edit your posts, don't directly quote PMs from me (including your role PM) in the public thread or in non-alignment confirmed private chats (you can and should paraphrase instead if you feel the need to do so), don't be too much of an asshole to your fellow players.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 01:54:05 am
Anyways, NJW2000 is scum. Counter-arguments?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 01:58:38 am
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 02:06:42 am
NJW2000 is a good vote for me, so I'll follow you Jack.
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 02:08:38 am
Jim Groovester, who are your scumbuddies?
@Tricmagic and Maximum Spin/b] it looks like you guys have been pretty active on the subforum since I've been away. How would you say that your playstyles have changed since the last time we played together?
@TolyK who would you like to confirm most as town?
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 02:10:57 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 02:28:27 am
Nakeen is basically an Innocent Child and we should treat them as such today.Regarding Nakeen: Well, we can't pressure vote people that we can't vote, so I agree with this.
NJW2000 is a good vote for me, so I'll follow you Jack.
Regarding NJW2000: I guess with 14 players, a single vote wouldn't provide sufficient pressure, so I appreciate the support.
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 03:31:08 am
@Roden, Jack, Knightwing, and Nakeen I haven't had the pleasure of playing mafia with any of you. how would each of you describe your playstyles?I'd say I'm very detached on Day 1 regardless of my alignment. Day 2 onwards I tend to get passionate about my solves as town and lose steam as scum. I've been told on a different site that I'm a bit averse to directly interacting with others and sharing my thoughts unless someone seeks it out.
Jim Groovester, who are your scumbuddies?
@Tricmagic and Maximum Spin/b] it looks like you guys have been pretty active on the subforum since I've been away. How would you say that your playstyles have changed since the last time we played together?
@TolyK who would you like to confirm most as town?
Post by: NJW2000 on October 13, 2022, 05:09:48 am
FIRST POST!!!!!!
Anyways, NJW2000 is scum. Counter-arguments?
I... uh... That is to say... Well, you got me there.
NJW2000 is a good vote for me, so I'll follow you Jack.This is good.
Nakeen is basically an Innocent Child and we should treat them as such today.But holy ****, this is not.
juicebox: We played together in BYOR15 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=177586.0). If the mechanical side of this game is equally crazy, how do you think we can avoid the issues that game had?
TolyK: I think I haven't played with you before. What's your usual style D1?
Post by: notquitethere on October 13, 2022, 05:59:25 am
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Coagulating Variables...
Boxifying Avatar...
Reticulating Splines...
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Performing P-Mod Check...
Core Personality Module: Installed
Personality Instantiation: [1][1][2][2][3][3][4]
Performing Alignment Check... TOWN
Sense Of Humour Check... Found
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Performing Analysis Modules...
Checking ScumHunter Pro™ License: Authenticated
ScumHunter Pro™: Installed.
ScumHunter Pro™ Analysis Suite Installation...
BasicWagonomics: Installed
ChartMaker_v1: Installed
ELIZA_Question_Generator: Installed
Infallible_Eye: Not Found
Macro_Scan: Installed
Sentiment_Sifter: Installed
TunnelVisionTrialVersion: Installed
Vote_Ranker: Installed
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Sanity_Check... SANE
...ROBO-NQT-1000 Successfully Initialised
Code: [Select]
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HELLO, WORLD
Welcome Users, I am ROBO-NQT-1000. I am equipped with the latest version of the ScumHunter Pro™ analysis software. Warning: I am not installed with any Emotional Appeal or Deception modules. User warrantee does not cover: lynching, arson, murder, poison.
ACTIVATING MACRO SCAN
EuchreJack: Found. Activity Report: Random Question Stage.
Jim Groovester: Not Found
juicebox: Found. Activity Report: Random Question Stage.
Knightwing64: Not Found
Maximum Spin: Not Found
Nakéen: Not Found. Unusual Player Signature.
NJW2000: Found. Double-Voter. Activity Report: Random Question Stage.
Roden: Found. Activity Report: Random Vote. No Questions. Argument "Nakéen is basically an Innocent Child" does not compute. Nakéen cannot be ejected, while an innocent child should not be ejected. Unlike an innocent child, Nakéen's alignment is not known.
Tiruin: ERROR 404. Removing from scan list.
TolyK: Not Found.
ToonyMan: Not Found.
TricMagic: Not Found.
Vector: Not Found.
webadict: Not Found.
Macro Scan Analysis
61.53% of suspects not found.
Most suspicious: Roden. Reason: Passivity.
Recommendation: Repeat scan at the start of the next session.
ACTIVATING QUESTION GENERATOR
Random Question Stage has begun. Random vote: True. Question batch...001.
Vector: What is your assessment of the ROBO-NQT-1000 installation sequence?
Toonyman: What is your current personality module?
Roden: [DEMAND] Ask two players an insightful question.
Maximum Spin: Do you have a Deception module currently installed?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 07:33:36 am
Sense Of Humour Check... FoundHah hah hah hah hah
Toonyman: What is your current personality module?Tired.
My role idea was basically rejected so my abilities are completely different than I thought they would be like. Considering your large opening post your robotification was expected at least. I don't really think you're pretending. I also think you're town because town!NQT opens with funny meme posts, although I think this will become abundantly clear in the future.
Nakeen, you're late. I dislike tardy people. What are your plans for today?
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 07:51:26 am
Also, I may or may not be a Miller, nya~
Also, ToonyMan is Town. Don't ask how I know, it's a quantum secret.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 07:56:12 am
I am indeed rolefishing by doing this, what are you gonna do about it, I fucking love fishies, nya~
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 08:28:24 am
I know, I will make up my own! Maybe me caveman now? No, no. I'll get fired from my job...
Also also, I am Schrödiger's Catgirl.Wasn't that a role in BYOR15?
I am indeed rolefishing by doing this, what are you gonna do about it, I fucking love fishies, nya~
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 08:46:01 am
Probably, since I lied about it.Also also, I am Schrödiger's Catgirl.Wasn't that a role in BYOR15?
I am indeed rolefishing by doing this, what are you gonna do about it, I fucking love fishies, nya~
Uuuuggggghhhhhh, fine, I'll just go full Ace Trainer and tell the full and absolute truth. That way, I can test the waters for how broken it'll be.
I am All of the Eeveelutions crammed into a single Pokeball.
My Actions don't really make sense to me (and I have a fuckton of them), but I think they give me a hint of what exists, and since I'm bored and I don't think anyone will claim it on their own, I believe that there is a Poisoner and either a Godfather or a Framer? That last one it a little confusing, but my whole role is confusing, so deal with it. The Poisoner one is really fucking clear, though, since I can remove Poison from myself or anyone else.
I also have loads of goodies, and I'm giving them all to ToonyMan! How's that sound?
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2022, 08:53:35 am
@TolyK who would you like to confirm most as town?It would have to be Jim, if he's town.
TolyK: I think I haven't played with you before. What's your usual style D1?I actually don't know what my style is... definitely not aggressive. Probably trying to break the game somehow, given this is a BYOR.
Uuuuggggghhhhhh, fine, I'll just go full Ace Trainer and tell the full and absolute truth. That way, I can test the waters for how broken it'll be.This sounds quite reasonable to me, at least as a whole.
I am All of the Eeveelutions crammed into a single Pokeball.
My Actions don't really make sense to me (and I have a fuckton of them), but I think they give me a hint of what exists, and since I'm bored and I don't think anyone will claim it on their own, I believe that there is a Poisoner and either a Godfather or a Framer? That last one it a little confusing, but my whole role is confusing, so deal with it. The Poisoner one is really fucking clear, though, since I can remove Poison from myself or anyone else.
I also have loads of goodies, and I'm giving them all to ToonyMan! How's that sound?
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 08:58:13 am
Seriously though, On Fire.
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2022, 08:59:03 am
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 09:02:36 am
I am a Dragon. I burn people, among other things. What those things are are something you're have to find out, but at least my actions are known!Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.
Seriously though, On Fire.
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 09:11:58 am
Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.I am a Dragon. I burn people, among other things. What those things are are something you're have to find out, but at least my actions are known!Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.
Seriously though, On Fire.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 09:16:14 am
I also have loads of goodies, and I'm giving them all to ToonyMan! How's that sound?You probably don't have a choice.
I don't see it mentioned anywhere in the starting post so I will say this game has a public item pool, sort of like Roguelike Mafia, although I'm unsure if players can go adventuring for loot. I also don't think the public item pool has anything in it currently.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 09:18:29 am
@Tric:
What a boring role name, just one word??
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 09:19:29 am
Finally, I can post. Yes, technically I had a post restriction. No, I won't talk about it right now. After all, I'm not technically part of the game...:o
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 09:26:59 am
Your Action... Kills People???Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
I'm gonna spitball here: Does it only kill them if they're already On Fire? I don't see a way for my Action to work otherwise.
Also, that makes me fairly certain that TricMagic is Town as well.
I have plenty of choices! It's YOU who doesn't have a choice in my choices. You could say that...I also have loads of goodies, and I'm giving them all to ToonyMan! How's that sound?You probably don't have a choice.
I Choose You, ToonyMan!
That makes it sound like it's an Action I'm performing, but it's really just me making a joke, don't get all up my grill about it.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 09:33:51 am
I Choose You, ToonyMan!Guuugh. Uuggaaaaahhhhhhh
UewaaaaaaaaaAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaajhhhhhh
Okay I'll admit everything, the pressure is too much!!
I am A Lifeguard One Day From Retirement.
I keep watch of the public item pool so I know which players try to take from it.
Once per game I can prevent the mafiakill at night under certain conditions.
Twice per game I can target three players at night and see who they targeted.
I have a night auto as well that is also an action which I won't say, so double actions at night are definitely possible.
Also I made all of this up because I thought it would be funny.
Okay actually I made up like 90% of this. The public item pool is definitely real and double actions at night should be possible.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 09:42:30 am
Part of why I'm fishing is because my role feels like a support role for other, cooler roles, and understanding how to combine those into an advantage is how real Pokemon Trainers do it!
Also, because I expect to be Mafiakilled, and my only chance for survival is to do shit like this 24/7.
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2022, 09:46:46 am
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2022, 09:47:25 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 09:49:41 am
By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?Yes, the mafiakill.
Wait, did you mean on my role? Not really.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 09:54:32 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 09:56:32 am
Items do exist, but I don't have one. (Nor do I exist...)Okay, you got me.
I am The Forceful Sentry.
Thrice per game during the day I can take an item from the public item pool right away.
At night I can target a player to learn of every item (if any) they have and select one to toss into the public item pool.
Twice per game at night I can target a player and steal a random item from them, unless I name a specific item which I will take instead.
As well as an additional night auto I won't claim.
...
Yep. That's me.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 09:58:29 am
Yeah, none of my Abilities are negative. They seem to synergize with or counter other people's roles. I assume the counters are for the Mafia and the synergies are for Town, but who can say? I can't.None of my abilities are negative either.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 10:00:34 am
@Tricmagic and Maximum Spin it looks like you guys have been pretty active on the subforum since I've been away. How would you say that your playstyles have changed since the last time we played together?My first reaction was "we ever played together?" but then I looked at your post history and discovered that you were in Fallacy's beginner game back in 2018 where I was mafia and got inspected n1 by someone who said he wanted to confirm me as town because I was so helpful d1. You specifically didn't believe my desperate claim that I was framed because you didn't think it was likely that there could be a framer in the setup, but I was one.
Since then, I have changed my playstyle by being much less helpful and townie day 1 so it doesn't happen again.
Maximum Spin: Do you have a Deception module currently installed?Yes, but I promise not to use it.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 10:04:22 am
That one hits different after MVM5. :PI really didn't intend to sign up for Fallacy's Eternal Mafia II: This Time It's Personal :PDon't make me make that a real thing.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 10:08:02 am
That character backstory explains so much. I now understand your development arc. I will add it to my collection.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 10:11:06 am
*sigh* It's just not as fun to bark at people without 4maskwolf...
Post by: NJW2000 on October 13, 2022, 10:15:00 am
Early claim from Tric is usually town-indicative. +town equity.
This would be an unusual opening from scum!NQT; they'd usually lurk in a game this big. +town equity.
I can confirm that both On Fire and Soaked status effects exist this game. Bit of a fire/water theme.
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 10:26:44 am
@NJW: I don't think that this game will get as chaotic as BYOR 15, and I think that we should be able to handle any mechanical shenanigans that get thrown our way with some coordination
I also think that whatever mechanical shenanigans arise, we should still focus on the day game, since that's our best tool for funding scum
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 10:40:34 am
Your Action... Kills People???Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
I'm gonna spitball here: Does it only kill them if they're already On Fire? I don't see a way for my Action to work otherwise.
Also, that makes me fairly certain that TricMagic is Town as well.
That would be a yes of the fire front.
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 10:42:09 am
By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?Quick TolK, use Disable!
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2022, 10:47:53 am
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 10:48:11 am
Please don't spam the thread to death this game. Looking at you, Toony and Web.First of all, I'll do what I want but you asked nicely, so I'm going to keep using small, brief posts when I mostly feel like it, thank you.
Early claim from Tric is usually town-indicative. +town equity.
This would be an unusual opening from scum!NQT; they'd usually lurk in a game this big. +town equity.
I can confirm that both On Fire and Soaked status effects exist this game. Bit of a fire/water theme.
Second of all, I also have Soaked with Vaporeon. That one seems to have an actual use in that it's public facing, so there's use with my role that's only somewhat supportive.
Also, there's a Vaporeon copypasta joke here, and I want no part in it.
That would be a yes of the fire front.I'd say we could totally tag team Fire Blast kill someone, but my Action isn't... uh... nearly as comprehensive as that, so I'm afraid we can't Burninate all the other Players. But we could probably Burninate at least one.
Post by: notquitethere on October 13, 2022, 10:49:11 am
Updated Reports Since Previous Scan...
juicebox: Activity Report: States focus should be on day game over mechanics.
Maximum Spin: Activity Report: Questions answered. No Proactivity.
NJW2000: Activity Report: Townhunting (moderate). Confirms On Fire and Soaked as statuses. Low Proactivity.
TolyK: Found. Activity Report: Posting restriction (what?). Joined despite busy schedule. Passive. Hints at ability removal.
ToonyMan: Found. Activity Report: Random Question Stage. Townhunting (mild). Notices Webadicts false claim. Made conflicting role claims. Purpose of lies determined: humour. Positive claim: there is a public item pool (66% plausible).
TricMagic: Found. Activity report: Claims Dragon. Claims to have several abilities that impart On Fire status. Claims to be a killer. Performed random vote.
webadict: Found. Activity Report: Post Restriction (false). New claim: "All of the Eeveelutions crammed into a single Pokeball" (55% plausible). Information shared: Fire, Poison and Soaked are present in the setup. Role is a "support role" that synergises and counters. Claims item 'Lum Berry' (52% plausible). Activity congruous with claim to be seeking to maximise best use of powers.
QuickScan™ Analysis
In this unit's estimation:
- Fire is very likely an active mechanic.
- Soaking is very likely a counter to fire.
- Poison is a possible mechanic.
Additionally, Early role focus of players is expected, but some players scanned are currently in Commentary mode rather than Hunting mode (Maximum Spin, NJW2000, TricMagic). Likelihood all three are scum-sided: low. Additional metrics sought.
Generated Questions
Question batch...002.
Knightwing64 - What is your strategy for ensuring a town player is not ejected from the game on the first day?
Nakéen - What is your assessment of Roden's claim regarding you being like an Innocent Child?
TolyK - What was the nature of your posting restriction?
TricMagic - [DEMAND] Ask two players an insightful question.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 10:52:20 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 13, 2022, 10:53:17 am
I am a Dragon.
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
Post by: TolyK on October 13, 2022, 10:54:23 am
TolyK - What was the nature of your posting restriction?It has already been fulfilled, for now...
I expected nothing less.I am a Dragon.DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 13, 2022, 10:56:56 am
Quote
NPC character in a mafia game
Neato. :|
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 11:11:16 am
I very much doubt it. Fallacy has been really firm about not doing that anymore.QuoteNPC character in a mafia game
Neato. :|
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 11:13:22 am
Nah, it ain't TricMagic, we're not doing the vote out TricMagic thing people do when they're lazy.Web is correct.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 11:20:47 am
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c6/e7/79/c6e7799dfadd0ab00d6ec64fc884ffc1.jpg)Nah, it ain't TricMagic, we're not doing the vote out TricMagic thing people do when they're lazy.Web is correct.
Post by: notquitethere on October 13, 2022, 11:26:36 am
Updated Reports Since Previous Scan...
Jim Groovester: Found. Action report: Confused about the existence of an NPC. Does he believe Nakéen is a fake player?
Maximum Spin - Action report: Confirms lack of NPC.
TolyK - Action report: Vague response. Clarifies posting restriction may reactivate in future (55% plausible).
ToonyMan - Action report: Backs Webadict's notion that Tric is not lazily ejected.
Webadict - Action report: Makes proposition "TricMagic is often mislynched as town" (TRUE) therefore "We should not vote for TricMagic". This argument only computes if TricMagic is Town. This has not yet been ascertained with certainty. However, this unit calculates that TricMagic is not currently the worst player.
QuickScan™ Analysis
- Jim has not yet achieved game engagement status.
- Recommendation: revisit players attitude to TricMagic ejection in a future session.
- TolyK has set up a future excuse for ceasing posting.
WARNING ROBO-NQT-1000 may enter standby mode for... ~17 hours for regularly scheduled maintenance.
Post by: notquitethere on October 13, 2022, 11:28:53 am
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Goodnight, world.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 11:41:35 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 12:01:04 pm
@Tricmagic and Maximum Spin it looks like you guys have been pretty active on the subforum since I've been away. How would you say that your playstyles have changed since the last time we played together?My first reaction was "we ever played together?" but then I looked at your post history and discovered that you were in Fallacy's beginner game back in 2018 where I was mafia and got inspected n1 by someone who said he wanted to confirm me as town because I was so helpful d1. You specifically didn't believe my desperate claim that I was framed because you didn't think it was likely that there could be a framer in the setup, but I was one.
Since then, I have changed my playstyle by being much less helpful and townie day 1 so it doesn't happen again.Maximum Spin: Do you have a Deception module currently installed?Yes, but I promise not to use it.
I feel like voting juicebox just for this....
@NQT: I'm loving the robot theme, but will you be able to keep it up after all 14 players are engaged? It's super helpful for as long as you can keep it up.
@Web: What about the possibility that Tric is Mafia claiming Vigilante?
@Toony: Want a Lum Berry? Because that's my only Item, come get it, bark bark bark...Yeah, I find myself missing 4mask too in this game. But hey, I think we have enough other folks to keep things entertaining!
*sigh* It's just not as fun to bark at people without 4maskwolf...
::Wowee:: (it's just not the same)
Post by: NJW2000 on October 13, 2022, 12:02:00 pm
Fix your programming, ya bucket of bolts, I'm saying TricMagic is easily targeted because he's often scum-adjacent as Town. I refuse to believe that TricMagic is scum given that he has a kill ability.This is dumb. It's not uncommon for the mafia to have role-related mafiakill abilities in BYORs; and last time I was scum in an FoU game I had a priming ability alongside the poison mafiakill. So even if we believe Tric's ability and role claims, he may be scum.
This game doesn't look particularly like scum!Tric so far (with one or two caveats). But Web and Toony immediately jumping on NQT's single pressure-vote with "nah we can't elim Tric", with faulty logic from Wuba at least... doesn't look great.
I'd say the mafia has an incentive to keep even town!Tric around, given his variable town-utility and claim that he's going to set fire to things. Tric seems to think this is also the case. So this behaviour is suspect.
Webadict: why didn't you want NQT to pressure Tric?
Post by: Vector on October 13, 2022, 12:04:16 pm
I'll see what I can do, but I'm kind of slammed.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 13, 2022, 12:13:39 pm
Jim Groovester: Found. Action report: Confused about the existence of an NPC. Does he believe Nakéen is a fake player?
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
. . .
Nakéen (0):
. . .
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, juicebox, Knightwing64, Maximum Spin, Nakéen, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, Roden, TolyK, ToonyMan, TricMagic, Vector, webadict
8 to hammer.
*shrug*
Also, confused is not the word I would use to describe my opinion about the NPC. More, mildly annoyed at the presence of an entity that may have some game impact and that I apparently can vote but I can't interact with it meaningfully. It approaches bastard game territory.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 12:19:43 pm
not know who nakéen is (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8415715#msg8415715)
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 12:29:28 pm
Webadict: why didn't you want NQT to pressure Tric?I assume this is a real question and not you simply wasting time with obvious nonsense because, well... It's obvious.
I think TricMagic is Town. I think pressuring TricMagic is pointless because it will create a scum-adjacent response where people focus on TricMagic, spiraling into a wasted Day. You literally said you wanted there to be less waste, and I'm doing it for you right now.
You wanna go after TricMagic? Go after me.
@Web: What about the possibility that Tric is Mafia claiming Vigilante?Less than 1%.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 13, 2022, 12:45:39 pm
I think that's underselling Tric a bit.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 13, 2022, 12:47:52 pm
do you
not know who nakéen is (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8415715#msg8415715)
I am tremendously embarrassed.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 13, 2022, 12:53:41 pm
I’m town but when invested I identify as a serial killer because I put “with dubious morals” in my role name.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 01:10:34 pm
The assumption being that any pressure on Tric naturally leads to Tric being eliminated?And yet, we consistently vote out TricMagic when no one defends him.
I think that's underselling Tric a bit.
Did you read the post where NQT pushed TricMagic? Let me quote the part that mattered to me:
Quote
Additionally, Early role focus of players is expected, but some players scanned are currently in Commentary mode rather than Hunting mode (Maximum Spin, NJW2000, TricMagic). Likelihood all three are scum-sided: low. Additional metrics sought.TricMagic had explicitly given their role and volunteered that they could perform a kill action, and I have a way to further this Ability.
Follow this logic for me because this is straightforward from my position. I have an Ability that can set multiple people On Fire. This means that TricMagic could potentially kill multiple people (an Ability he did not have to disclose and did so before I even claimed what my Abilities do.) My Ability does nothing else except set people On Fire. What good would my Ability do if all I could do was set someone On Fire to give the Mafia people to kill? Does this, perhaps, make sense to you?
The point being that I am over 99% sure that TricMagic is Town. Do you think that I don't believe this? Am I lying about an Ability I have? Is TricMagic lying about an Ability he has? He literally claimed On Fire and it's been backed up by multiple people.
So, from my perspective, if you think TricMagic is scum, then you think I am scum. Pressuring TricMagic is pointless because he's Town. Get information from literally anyone else, including me, and I won't hassle you, but notice that NQT did not list me as someone that was commenting on the game when I literally voted Roden and posted no information.
So, I'll ask you a slightly better question: Why aren't you pressuring NQT? I think you could reasonably assume why I defended TricMagic based on what I said, but maybe I'm wrong. It wasn't entirely obvious what my Ability does. What were you confused about?
The point isn't that you even think TricMagic is scum, because based on your reading, you don't, or at least, you don't appear to think he's scummier than average. So, what is confusing about stopping a line of questioning that goes nowhere before it happens?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 01:34:12 pm
I’m a miller, of some sort.Okay Knightwing is town
I’m town but when invested I identify as a serial killer because I put “with dubious morals” in my role name.
Next
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 01:36:36 pm
Jim can't read.do you
not know who nakéen is (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8415715#msg8415715)
I am tremendously embarrassed.
More at 11.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 01:42:38 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 13, 2022, 01:47:10 pm
@EuchreJack: well you know the saying. Early bird gets the know, latter birds fight for the worm, and latest bird snatches the worm! Or something.
@juicebox: The pleasure is mine! I adapt my playstyle to the amount time I have, and I'm here to have fun. And half the fun is to figure it out, right? Or so they say, I think.
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game though.
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I will refrain from voting for now, it seems there is enough pressured players to have interesting inputs on involved parties.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 01:49:16 pm
Is the D1 thing your doing?
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 01:51:38 pm
Hey Web I think you're town so let me share some info. I think NJW is probably town here because they did town rep Tric and NQT earlier, feel like town!NJW would do that (since Tric is town and NQT is probably town) then try to pursue players like me and you incorrectly since NJW is only on the ball 50% of the time.I want to say I agree (and maybe I do), but I'm trying to teach him about how to follow other people's logic to their finality. Him asking me why I'm defending TricMagic conflicts with his stated goal of unnecessary derailment:
Please don't spam the thread to death this game. Looking at you, Toony and Web.You could interpret this as only posting once in a while instead of multiposting like we usually do, but that's superficially implying that we should not deviate from the intended purpose of, ya know, finding scum. If TricMagic isn't scum, why is he allowing NQT to pressure TricMagic? His main argument is that I shouldn't defend others, but the avenue of attack opens up when people attack people for bad reasons.
I also think that NQT is actually probably scum, but that's a hard sell to people.
Finally, I can post! Sorry for being late, oopsies :p^ Town.
@EuchreJack: well you know the saying. Early bird gets the know, latter birds fight for the worm, and latest bird snatches the worm! Or something.
@juicebox: The pleasure is mine! I adapt my playstyle to the amount time I have, and I'm here to have fun. And half the fun is to figure it out, right? Or so they say, I think.
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game though.
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I will refrain from voting for now, it seems there is enough pressured players to have interesting inputs on involved parties.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 02:11:33 pm
I do think I agree about NQT. This is why I'm giving NQT the wait and see approach. Scum!NQT will crumble by D2.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 02:16:38 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 02:22:53 pm
Well, for insightful questions from scum-robot-killer. Why are you not running your human interaction protocols? Has the scum team just decided on fake post restrictions?
Also to TolyK being an RVS, it was more a poke, since I don't think disabling abilities is very town-friendly given the number of players in this game. Toly's trying to be 'helpful', but disabling is more of a hinderance to town, and since no one has taken them up on the offer, I'm inclined to agree with that. Not even a role claim, though what's true and false remains to be seen. Least webadict's is likely true.
A third question for free, SRK-NQT. Toony, why are you hanging back and giving piecemeal comments? Not even full posts.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 02:25:28 pm
@Web:(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/8fca2d24-4ef5-4611-8d84-04392b8815a7/ddxtj26-c7238356-24c9-49db-b98f-a4249e6d8351.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzhmY2EyZDI0LTRlZjUtNDYxMS04ZDg0LTA0MzkyYjg4MTVhN1wvZGR4dGoyNi1jNzIzODM1Ni0yNGM5LTQ5ZGItYjk4Zi1hNDI0OWU2ZDgzNTEuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.RIBhg1S8JskrtC8Q08UOu0qAnL0UmRQrilLQ45SRHs4)
I do think I agree about NQT. This is why I'm giving NQT the wait and see approach. Scum!NQT will crumble by D2.
Jim and Nakéen are clearly scum together, which is why Jim is pretending not to know Nakéen exists. Just saying.Grade A detective work, Spin. Book 'em and cook 'em.
This is giving me a headache.NQT = right
Well, for insightful questions from scum-robot-killer. Why are you not running your human interaction protocols? Has the scum team just decided on fake post restrictions?
Also to TolyK being an RVS, it was more a poke, since I don't think disabling abilities is very town-friendly given the number of players in this game. Toly's trying to be 'helpful', but disabling is more of a hinderance to town, and since no one has taken them up on the offer, I'm inclined to agree with that. Not even a role claim, though what's true and false remains to be seen. Least webadict's is likely true.
A third question for free, SRK-NQT. Toony, why are you hanging back and giving piecemeal comments? Not even full posts.
TolyK = wrong
ToonyMan = wrong again
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 02:26:40 pm
I'm at work on my phone, but would like to be part of the game.
This a luxury I did not have in the past.
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 02:29:59 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DmyVadnU4AAs1fK.jpg)This is giving me a headache.NQT = right
Well, for insightful questions from scum-robot-killer. Why are you not running your human interaction protocols? Has the scum team just decided on fake post restrictions?
Also to TolyK being an RVS, it was more a poke, since I don't think disabling abilities is very town-friendly given the number of players in this game. Toly's trying to be 'helpful', but disabling is more of a hinderance to town, and since no one has taken them up on the offer, I'm inclined to agree with that. Not even a role claim, though what's true and false remains to be seen. Least webadict's is likely true.
A third question for free, SRK-NQT. Toony, why are you hanging back and giving piecemeal comments? Not even full posts.
TolyK = wrong
ToonyMan = wrong again
No 4mask around. I'm serious about the headache though. What I get for playing Arknights sometimes, horrible bosses with instant kills. Any particular reason for TolyK/ToonyMan being wrong? ... (I'm a bit suspicious of you, honestly. Paranoia. Why so helpful?)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 02:31:40 pm
Jim and Nakéen are clearly scum together, which is why Jim is pretending not to know Nakéen exists. Just saying.I think we can definitively say Jim isn't with Nakeen, as Jim would never embarrass, no, HUMILIATE himself for distancing points.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 02:47:26 pm
No 4mask around. I'm serious about the headache though. What I get for playing Arknights sometimes, horrible bosses with instant kills. Any particular reason for TolyK/ToonyMan being wrong? ... (I'm a bit suspicious of you, honestly. Paranoia. Why so helpful?)TolyK doesn't feel right, and you literally always think it's ToonyMan when it's not, so that's how I know it's not ToonyMan.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 03:10:50 pm
Web's giving me a headache too, but the Toony-Web interactions are similar to the best Toony-Web Town Buddy Detective games that we've had.(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DmyVadnU4AAs1fK.jpg)This is giving me a headache.NQT = right
Well, for insightful questions from scum-robot-killer. Why are you not running your human interaction protocols? Has the scum team just decided on fake post restrictions?
Also to TolyK being an RVS, it was more a poke, since I don't think disabling abilities is very town-friendly given the number of players in this game. Toly's trying to be 'helpful', but disabling is more of a hinderance to town, and since no one has taken them up on the offer, I'm inclined to agree with that. Not even a role claim, though what's true and false remains to be seen. Least webadict's is likely true.
A third question for free, SRK-NQT. Toony, why are you hanging back and giving piecemeal comments? Not even full posts.
TolyK = wrong
ToonyMan = wrong again
No 4mask around. I'm serious about the headache though. What I get for playing Arknights sometimes, horrible bosses with instant kills. Any particular reason for TolyK/ToonyMan being wrong? ... (I'm a bit suspicious of you, honestly. Paranoia. Why so helpful?)
Jim NEVER intentionally humiliates himself (unless he wants to get out of voting). Unintentionally... it's a common occurrence. It also reminds me of Jim as Town, on both accounts. Scum!Jim is Cool.Jim and Nakéen are clearly scum together, which is why Jim is pretending not to know Nakéen exists. Just saying.I think we can definitively say Jim isn't with Nakeen, as Jim would never embarrass, no, HUMILIATE himself for distancing points.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 03:14:52 pm
@Web:...were you sleeping during our last game? That explains SO much! ::)
I do think I agree about NQT. This is why I'm giving NQT the wait and see approach. Scum!NQT will crumble by D2.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 03:19:10 pm
@Web:...were you sleeping during our last game? That explains SO much! ::)
I do think I agree about NQT. This is why I'm giving NQT the wait and see approach. Scum!NQT will crumble by D2.
To recap for everyone else: NQT sorta tripped a couple of alarms, but was mostly caught in a Block all game by one, then two players. The only reason that the rest of us seriously suspected NQT, or even the ones keeping NQT locked down suspect that NQT was actual scum, is because of NQT's dive to save his scumbuddy. If not for that, we might still be hunting for NQT...
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 03:27:44 pm
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 03:40:16 pm
And Web is currently defending Tric from NQT, bc they believe Tric is town due to the mechanical and meta evidence.
I must admit that the case for Tric being town is pretty compelling, can't say that I entirely believe it though. I could also believe that scum!NQT would go for an easy D1 lynch like Tric tends to be. So I'll look into this from both sides.
@Tric Can you please answer the question from my first post?
@Web I still think that you're protesting a bit too much for one pressure vote, which could just be intended to get more activity out of Tric. Why not wait for Tric's response, to see if NQT is going to keep after them?
@NQT Why was Tric your first choice to vote for pressure? Why haven't you asked another question to Max, even though you said that they were also being passive and just commenting on what's going on?
Also to TolyK being an RVS, it was more a poke, since I don't think disabling abilities is very town-friendly given the number of players in this game. Toly's trying to be 'helpful', but disabling is more of a hinderance to town, and since no one has taken them up on the offer, I'm inclined to agree with that. Not even a role claim, though what's true and false remains to be seen. Least webadict's is likely true.
I disagree, I think the disable is similar to a roleblock, except it just blocks a specific action instead of blocking any action the target performs, which seems to me like more of a neutral ability, instead of just a scum-sided one. It could be used to get rid of a negative ability from a town member or block scum from using one of their abilities just as much as it can be used to hinder town.
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 03:47:15 pm
I'm gonna go ahead and tell everyone that I have no night actions, however my actions can still affect the night phase.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 04:05:15 pm
ToonyMan - 100% Town: We all know he's good, right? Like, it's obvious to everyone, right? Am I confused here? No, it's the kids who are wrong.
TricMagic - 99.8% Town: TricMagic tried to sell me drugs but it turned out to be Wonka Nerds. Then he claimed to be a crazed murderpath.
EuchreJack - 97% Town: EuchreJack more like... He's Town, stfu, just look at his posts.
Nakeen - 95% Town: Easy read. Pocket the noob and get outta here.
Vector - 80% Town: If you don't think they're Town, you're scum looking for an easy vote, lmao. But, if you start the vote, I'll bandwagon them sooooo hard, legit, try me.
NJW200 - 75% Town: Only because Toony said so. Bad takes are a sign of being Town.
TolyK - 32.33% (repeating of course): Keeps pulling those FUCKING WHELPS! 50DKP MINUS! Also, prooooobably not scum, but I'm putting them here because it's funny. I could've also done 69%.
Knightwing64 - 100% Pure Love: You'll never have to run away. Also, they claimed Miller, which fits within my role, but also is Town to do.
Jim Groovester - 20% Scum: More like Gym Groovester, amirite, also he hasn't posted meta-analysis and it's 14 hours in wtfffffffffffff
Maximum Spin - 30% Scum: He's trying to spin doctor this shit, it's in his name, also he could be a little more helpful, I know what his game is. That, and he didn't claim Miller, which he'd absolutely do as Town.
notquitethere - 40% Scum: I stopped running out of care around this point, sorta feels like he's talking but he's not saying anything, also robots don't feel anything, so he won't be sad if he gets elimmed.
Roden - 50% Scum: I'm really only here because he's easy to sit on as a miselim, but no one really went for it so it made me think he might actually be scum, but maybe I'm leveling myself.
juicebox - 999% Don't really know: One punch and he'll reset.
I'd be okay voting out Max, nqt, and Roden right now. Or juicebox, but that's a coward vote.
PPE:
@Web I still think that you're protesting a bit too much for one pressure vote, which could just be intended to get more activity out of Tric. Why not wait for Tric's response, to see if NQT is going to keep after them?Because TricMagic is Town.
(https://i.imgflip.com/6s0uwu.jpg)
This isn't rocket surgery. Anyone voting TricMagic is wrong. End o' discussion. If you think TricMagic is scum, you're wrong, and you have to go through me first. Same with ToonyMan, EuchreJack, and Nakeen. That's all there is to it.
But, let's spin this around on you: How am I protesting too much? You can use examples, if you'd like, or I can pretend like you have evidence if it'd make you feel better.
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 04:22:21 pm
Tric, why would mafia ever think to kill you if you're only advertising the negative utility of your role?Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.I am a Dragon. I burn people, among other things. What those things are are something you're have to find out, but at least my actions are known!Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.
Seriously though, On Fire.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 04:23:32 pm
Tric, why would mafia ever think to kill you if you're only advertising the negative utility of your role?Bad vote.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 04:25:47 pm
Okay, we get it, Euchre, you're Town.Is he though?
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 04:27:27 pm
Do you not think so? Seems pretty similar to his WebSup game.Okay, we get it, Euchre, you're Town.Is he though?
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 04:27:48 pm
Nah, it ain't TricMagic, we're not doing the vote out TricMagic thing people do when they're lazy.The game just started and Tric has barely done anything yet. What do we gain from shutting down any suspicion on Tric so early into the game? That just prevents town from naturally coming to their own conclusions.
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 04:28:01 pm
Readslist:
ToonyMan - 100% Town: We all know he's good, right? Like, it's obvious to everyone, right? Am I confused here? No, it's the kids who are wrong.
TricMagic - 99.8% Town: TricMagic tried to sell me drugs but it turned out to be Wonka Nerds. Then he claimed to be a crazed murderpath.
EuchreJack - 97% Town: EuchreJack more like... He's Town, stfu, just look at his posts.
Nakeen - 95% Town: Easy read. Pocket the noob and get outta here.
Vector - 80% Town: If you don't think they're Town, you're scum looking for an easy vote, lmao. But, if you start the vote, I'll bandwagon them sooooo hard, legit, try me.
NJW200 - 75% Town: Only because Toony said so. Bad takes are a sign of being Town.
TolyK - 32.33% (repeating of course): Keeps pulling those FUCKING WHELPS! 50DKP MINUS! Also, prooooobably not scum, but I'm putting them here because it's funny. I could've also done 69%.
Knightwing64 - 100% Pure Love: You'll never have to run away. Also, they claimed Miller, which fits within my role, but also is Town to do.
Jim Groovester - 20% Scum: More like Gym Groovester, amirite, also he hasn't posted meta-analysis and it's 14 hours in wtfffffffffffff
Maximum Spin - 30% Scum: He's trying to spin doctor this shit, it's in his name, also he could be a little more helpful, I know what his game is. That, and he didn't claim Miller, which he'd absolutely do as Town.
notquitethere - 40% Scum: I stopped running out of care around this point, sorta feels like he's talking but he's not saying anything, also robots don't feel anything, so he won't be sad if he gets elimmed.
Roden - 50% Scum: I'm really only here because he's easy to sit on as a miselim, but no one really went for it so it made me think he might actually be scum, but maybe I'm leveling myself.
juicebox - 999% Don't really know: One punch and he'll reset.
I'd be okay voting out Max, nqt, and Roden right now. Or juicebox, but that's a coward vote.
PPE:@Web I still think that you're protesting a bit too much for one pressure vote, which could just be intended to get more activity out of Tric. Why not wait for Tric's response, to see if NQT is going to keep after them?Because TricMagic is Town.
(https://i.imgflip.com/6s0uwu.jpg)
This isn't rocket surgery. Anyone voting TricMagic is wrong. End o' discussion. If you think TricMagic is scum, you're wrong, and you have to go through me first. Same with ToonyMan, EuchreJack, and Nakeen. That's all there is to it.
But, let's spin this around on you: How am I protesting too much? You can use examples, if you'd like, or I can pretend like you have evidence if it'd make you feel better.
Firstly there's your reaction to NQT's post. You reacted to a pressure by saying that you didn't want a Tric lynch D1. Town or no, that's a strong reaction to one pressure vote. Then there's your insistence on defending Tric, saying that anyone who wants to go after Tric will have to go after you first. All this for someone who hasn't (at least to me) been 100% cleared yet.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 04:32:40 pm
Why don't you quote those so it'll look like I'm being too defensive of TricMagic.
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 04:39:39 pm
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/9/9b/Risa_Eevee_Tackle.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20181209012853)
With your meter punched now, why exactly are you looking to lynch me? You'd need to find a partner, and right now there aren't many candidates Juicebox. Doesn't matter if I'm cleared or not. As it stands, my actions are confirmable, you know what I do at knight. And yeah, I get lynched while I'm asleep a lot as town. It's an easy day 1 lynch that doesn't give too much away, but I tend to use that myself to find out who's scum. (Admittedly, to varying degrees of success, but I manage sometimes!)
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 04:41:06 pm
To be honest Juice, I barely remember you, also.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/9/9b/Risa_Eevee_Tackle.png)
With your meter punched now, why exactly are you looking to lynch me? You'd need to find a partner, and right now there aren't many candidates Juicebox. Doesn't matter if I'm cleared or not. As it stands, my actions are confirmable, you know what I do at knight. And yeah, I get lynched while I'm asleep a lot as town. It's an easy day 1 lynch that doesn't give too much away, but I tend to use that myself to find out who's scum. (Admittedly, to varying degrees of success, but I manage sometimes!)
Always messing up..
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 04:46:00 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 04:49:13 pm
I forgot about his opening posts right at day start, yeah I guess those are overly excited.Do you not think so? Seems pretty similar to his WebSup game.Okay, we get it, Euchre, you're Town.Is he though?
I was thinking of this one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417537#msg8417537) at the time which I don't like since he doesn't actually vote Juicebox and seems kind of cool and forced.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 04:50:06 pm
Your actions aren't confirmable to anyone who doesn't know what status effects are relevant to your role, or what any of them mean, or what burning things even does. Nor does it take into account Multitasking or abilities that combine a lethal and non-lethal action into one.Yeah, but...it's Tric.
Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 04:51:42 pm
ToonyMan - 100% Town: We all know he's good, right? Like, it's obvious to everyone, right? Am I confused here? No, it's the kids who are wrong.Uh, no, no! Webadict is more town! He's 101% town!
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 04:52:09 pm
You can get town read through your meta of "my role my role my role", but meta doesn't matter to everyone. You're a lot less likely to get voted out when you focus less on your role and instead make your thoughts and attempts to solve more well known.
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 04:57:36 pm
This line of thought of "oh that's just how Tric is" is a major reason he gets miseliminated so often though. Like that may be enough for a core four people who play with him so often, but that still leaves everyone else. It creates this weird situation where people have to read Tric by also reading some combination of you/Web/Max/Jim, which is just...not feasible, at all.Your actions aren't confirmable to anyone who doesn't know what status effects are relevant to your role, or what any of them mean, or what burning things even does. Nor does it take into account Multitasking or abilities that combine a lethal and non-lethal action into one.Yeah, but...it's Tric.
Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
Post by: juicebox on October 13, 2022, 05:08:30 pm
Which posts?
Why don't you quote those so it'll look like I'm being too defensive of TricMagic.
Sure
Spoiler: Web quotes (click to show/hide)
I even wrapped them up in a nice little box for you
To be honest Juice, I barely remember you, also.
(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/9/9b/Risa_Eevee_Tackle.png)
With your meter punched now, why exactly are you looking to lynch me? You'd need to find a partner, and right now there aren't many candidates Juicebox. Doesn't matter if I'm cleared or not. As it stands, my actions are confirmable, you know what I do at knight. And yeah, I get lynched while I'm asleep a lot as town. It's an easy day 1 lynch that doesn't give too much away, but I tend to use that myself to find out who's scum. (Admittedly, to varying degrees of success, but I manage sometimes!)
Always messing up..
I'm not really looking to lynch you right now. I'm more concerned about getting a read on Webby.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 05:57:08 pm
Honestly, the conventional meta read thing has really dramatically narrowed the field of likely candidates for me. I still harbor MVM3-related suspicion of Web and ToonyMan, but I'm pretty sure they're just flirting.
I'm thinking notquitethere. My arbitrary assumptions about him worked last time. Same basic reasoning too.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 06:07:52 pm
Much better. I like when all these sit in one place so that instead of vaguely referencing my eager overdefensiveness. It's easier to point out its ridiculousness.Spoiler: Web quotes (click to show/hide)
TricMagic is almost definitely Town, and that's all there is to it.
Also Tric, whenever you die in your sleep, it's typically because the people you trusted to defend you just say "fuck it, vote him out" instead of pushing a vote they actually want. And they're not always scum either.That's not why I'm metareading him, but that's okay. I think if you're voting for him, you either don't believe that he's a Vigilante or you do believe him. Those are really the only two possibilities to me. And if you don't believe him, you haven't played with him as scum enough.
You can get town read through your meta of "my role my role my role", but meta doesn't matter to everyone. You're a lot less likely to get voted out when you focus less on your role and instead make your thoughts and attempts to solve more well known.
You guys, TricMagic is obviously town. Just trust me.(https://www.seekpng.com/png/detail/148-1482309_umbreon-and-espeon-chibi-espeon-and-umbreon-cute.png)
Honestly, the conventional meta read thing has really dramatically narrowed the field of likely candidates for me. I still harbor MVM3-related suspicion of Web and ToonyMan, but I'm pretty sure they're just flirting.
I'm thinking notquitethere. My arbitrary assumptions about him worked last time. Same basic reasoning too.
I'm in on notquitethere.
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 06:11:36 pm
... Not sure why mind you.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 06:14:50 pm
EITHER Fallacy is giving out red-herring abilities again OR alignments can change in this game.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 06:25:19 pm
I'm thinking notquitethere. My arbitrary assumptions about him worked last time. Same basic reasoning too.But NQT make beep boop noises. I like beep boop.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 06:26:46 pm
I read Tric correctly 80% of the time, all the time.This line of thought of "oh that's just how Tric is" is a major reason he gets miseliminated so often though. Like that may be enough for a core four people who play with him so often, but that still leaves everyone else. It creates this weird situation where people have to read Tric by also reading some combination of you/Web/Max/Jim, which is just...not feasible, at all.Your actions aren't confirmable to anyone who doesn't know what status effects are relevant to your role, or what any of them mean, or what burning things even does. Nor does it take into account Multitasking or abilities that combine a lethal and non-lethal action into one.Yeah, but...it's Tric.
Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 06:38:16 pm
A fair warning:Wasn't it Fallacy that said he might put cults into any game of 13 or more players?
EITHER Fallacy is giving out red-herring abilities again OR alignments can change in this game.
Nah, it ain't TricMagic, we're not doing the vote out TricMagic thing people do when they're lazy.The game just started and Tric has barely done anything yet. What do we gain from shutting down any suspicion on Tric so early into the game? That just prevents town from naturally coming to their own conclusions.
You can put me into the "probably won't vote Tric" camp. We mislynched Tric round 1 last time, which explains why Web has jumped to this point. I routinely defend Tric from mislynches, so it's nice to have someone else doing that for a change.
Maybe we could just informally agree not to Lynch Tric Day 1, and look at other suspects?
+1, ninjaToony says it better than what I was thinking.I'm thinking notquitethere. My arbitrary assumptions about him worked last time. Same basic reasoning too.But NQT make beep boop noises. I like beep boop.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 13, 2022, 06:41:08 pm
And what do you mean by 100 percent pure love?
PS: Have you ever tried to game the system by putting a really powerful name but the role you get disappoints you? I mean, it’s okay, but it requires a lot of things to go my way.
PPSS: People think Tric is town? Well, I know one scum now.
ToonyMan - 100% Town: We all know he's good, right? Like, it's obvious to everyone, right? Am I confused here? No, it's the kids who are wrong.Uh, no, no! Webadict is more town! He's 101% town!
Sus, I’m obviously 102% more town.
Tric, why would mafia ever think to kill you if you're only advertising the negative utility of your role?Bad vote.
Ur a bad vote
@Max I do want to hear a bit more from you. Does anything stand out to you at the moment? Is there anything anyone has said that you want to look into more?
I'm gonna go ahead and tell everyone that I have no night actions, however my actions can still affect the night phase.
Haven’t seen you before, anybody know this guy? I don’t have infooooo
Juicebox cool name tho
Obv town
Post by: NJW2000 on October 13, 2022, 06:44:42 pm
Spoiler: replies to Web (click to show/hide)
That's Jim Groovester. We're not similar, but he has been unobtrusive this game, so I forgive you.
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game
Roden coming in with a combination of good and awfully confusing (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631) takes. Not sure what to think, as their thought processes are very different from mine.
Not confident or far enough into the day to post a readslist, so let's just play:
WHO'S BEING QUIET?
NQT is being quiet by most people's standards, but honestly this is pretty loud for them.
Vector's busy, so Vector's quiet. That's ok. Max has been unhelpful, but Max is always unhelpful. Jim's been quiet, but he's been at work, under the mistaken impression Nakeen was an NPC and has strong opinions about RVS, so maybe that's understandable. Perhaps he'll be louder when he has something useful to contribute.
Nakeen's made one post, and it's very nothing. They also haven't read the thread carefully... were they talking to someone else? Hmmmmm.
TolyK's made six posts, and none of them have a take. They said they'd try to break the game, but they haven't been doing that.
TolyK has been being very, very quiet.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 06:47:37 pm
Max has been unhelpful, but Max is always unhelpful.Why do you always say that? I've been extremely helpful. I told you who to vote for. What more do you want?
Post by: TricMagic on October 13, 2022, 06:51:23 pm
Readlists! Or maybe more gold for my horde.Max has been unhelpful, but Max is always unhelpful.Why do you always say that? I've been extremely helpful. I told you who to vote for. What more do you want?
... Kinda interesting NJW comes in and says NQT is being loud. It could be read as them putting up a front instead by going full analytic. So they don't give off the scum-tell of not doing lists and deductions of all players by just doing so from the start.
That said, good chance they slip up at some point. That type of model has holes where logic and reason cross each other.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 06:57:27 pm
I mean, they wouldn't have to rely on us if they thought about things from TricMagic's perspective.I read Tric correctly 80% of the time, all the time.This line of thought of "oh that's just how Tric is" is a major reason he gets miseliminated so often though. Like that may be enough for a core four people who play with him so often, but that still leaves everyone else. It creates this weird situation where people have to read Tric by also reading some combination of you/Web/Max/Jim, which is just...not feasible, at all.Your actions aren't confirmable to anyone who doesn't know what status effects are relevant to your role, or what any of them mean, or what burning things even does. Nor does it take into account Multitasking or abilities that combine a lethal and non-lethal action into one.Yeah, but...it's Tric.
Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
Sure, it requires a lot of heavy drinking and Abyss staring, but it's not that difficult.
Honestly, I think everyone should do that, it'll make you better at Town AND Mafia.
I'm actually under the impression that there's at least a Mafia, since someone explicitly mentioned a Mafiakill interaction, so my guess is that Mafia have a way to recruit someone.A fair warning:Wasn't it Fallacy that said he might put cults into any game of 13 or more players?
EITHER Fallacy is giving out red-herring abilities again OR alignments can change in this game.
@NJW2000:
I actually agree that Tric claiming is antithetical to his progression as a Mafia player. That's actually not why I think he's Town, though. Or, maybe it's better to say that him claiming isn't why I see him as Town. His claim is. I've legitimately claimed what I am, and I know that it's a bad thing, but I think the difference is that I'm sort of all about gambling on stupid premises to throw scum off-kilter. I am going to continue defending him though because, while I do think he's wrong a lot of the time, he's actually right a surprising amount of the time as well. It's usually the things that are so incredibly wrong that end up looping around on themselves to being right.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 07:15:19 pm
Readlists!Didn't I already do that? Okay, I left most of it implicit, but come on, don't make me lead you all the way to water.
You're town. I'm town. EuchreJack's probably town. Webadict and ToonyMan are probably dating. Knightwing's probably town. That's half, so scumhunt in the other half. Nakéen doesn't read like mafia for being a newcomer, although it's impossible to be sure. Vector's barely present, but I'll extend the benefit of the doubt. We'll know whether Jim is scum by whether or not he gets killed n1 so who cares. TolyK and NJW2000 are whatever. Juicebox, Roden, and notquitethere are most suspicious to me right now. This was so overwhelmingly obvious that I'm willing to lay it all out in full even though I am on record hating readslists. I'll probably get scumread for upsetting the status quo for that.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 13, 2022, 07:22:08 pm
Wow a good Max post. 8)Readlists!Didn't I already do that? Okay, I left most of it implicit, but come on, don't make me lead you all the way to water.
You're town. I'm town. EuchreJack's probably town. Webadict and ToonyMan are probably dating. Knightwing's probably town. That's half, so scumhunt in the other half. Nakéen doesn't read like mafia for being a newcomer, although it's impossible to be sure. Vector's barely present, but I'll extend the benefit of the doubt. We'll know whether Jim is scum by whether or not he gets killed n1 so who cares. TolyK and NJW2000 are whatever. Juicebox, Roden, and notquitethere are most suspicious to me right now. This was so overwhelmingly obvious that I'm willing to lay it all out in full even though I am on record hating readslists. I'll probably get scumread for upsetting the status quo for that.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 13, 2022, 08:56:56 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 13, 2022, 09:46:27 pm
Ugh my bad. I can't read...That's Jim Groovester. We're not similar, but he has been unobtrusive this game, so I forgive you.
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 09:51:19 pm
I'm working on a post but I'm tempted to abandon it and go play Noita and watch anime instead.Ok, Jim is town.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 13, 2022, 09:55:21 pm
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ha ha Jim is dumb
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Jim Groovester, who are your scumbuddies?
You.
@Max I do want to hear a bit more from you. Does anything stand out to you at the moment? Is there anything anyone has said that you want to look into more?
I'm gonna go ahead and tell everyone that I have no night actions, however my actions can still affect the night phase.
The previous post I didn't have much opinion about but I like this follow-up, since it demonstrates more than a superficial interest in the game state.
But, let's spin this around on you: How am I protesting too much? You can use examples, if you'd like, or I can pretend like you have evidence if it'd make you feel better.
Firstly there's your reaction to NQT's post. You reacted to a pressure by saying that you didn't want a Tric lynch D1. Town or no, that's a strong reaction to one pressure vote. Then there's your insistence on defending Tric, saying that anyone who wants to go after Tric will have to go after you first. All this for someone who hasn't (at least to me) been 100% cleared yet.
Not enjoying this reaction to webadict's defense of TricMagic though. I think the game was developed enough at that point that webadict's judgment about TricMagic isn't premature. Also I don't think protesting a pressure vote, if that even is what webadict was protesting, is inappropriate either.
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day start, early morning Roden activity
I find this interesting and I feel like I should have commentary about it but I don't really have an opinion about it.
FIRST POST!!!!!!
Anyways, NJW2000 is scum. Counter-arguments?
I... uh... That is to say... Well, you got me there.NJW2000 is a good vote for me, so I'll follow you Jack.This is good.Nakeen is basically an Innocent Child and we should treat them as such today.But holy ****, this is not.
Hmmmm, I don't dislike this sequence from NJW2000.
Please don't spam the thread to death this game. Looking at you, Toony and Web.
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We shouldn't do the thing where we lazily elim Tric D1 for no good reason, yes, though I don't know why Web or Toony brought it up on the basis of one vote. That seems more like they're trying to stop him coming under pressure.Fix your programming, ya bucket of bolts, I'm saying TricMagic is easily targeted because he's often scum-adjacent as Town. I refuse to believe that TricMagic is scum given that he has a kill ability.This is dumb. It's not uncommon for the mafia to have role-related mafiakill abilities in BYORs; and last time I was scum in an FoU game I had a priming ability alongside the poison mafiakill. So even if we believe Tric's ability and role claims, he may be scum.
This game doesn't look particularly like scum!Tric so far (with one or two caveats). But Web and Toony immediately jumping on NQT's single pressure-vote with "nah we can't elim Tric", with faulty logic from Wuba at least... doesn't look great.
I'd say the mafia has an incentive to keep even town!Tric around, given his variable town-utility and claim that he's going to set fire to things. Tric seems to think this is also the case. So this behaviour is suspect.
I don't know if I agree with everything NJW2000 concludes here but I like this post in general.
beep boop
This is high effort. Nice.
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NJW2000: Found. Double-Voter. Activity Report: Random Question Stage.
Wow, you paid a lot more attention to the day start post than I did.
I also have loads of goodies, and I'm giving them all to ToonyMan! How's that sound?
Works for me.
webadict being a goofball
I don't mind this. Does this improve my opinion about webadict? I think it does, for whatever reason.
Jim Groovester - 20% Scum: More like Gym Groovester, amirite, also he hasn't posted meta-analysis and it's 14 hours in wtfffffffffffff
Ha ha jokes on you I haven't seriously worked out in months.
Tric, why would mafia ever think to kill you if you're only advertising the negative utility of your role?Bad vote.
Agree pretty hard here.
This sounds quite reasonable to me, at least as a whole.
Hmmmm, a player judgment in an opening post.
Good.
By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?
Are you offering to remove it if only people would tell you the ability name?
I’m a miller, of some sort.
I’m town but when invested I identify as a serial killer because I put “with dubious morals” in my role name.
Do I believe this?
I guess so.
PS: Have you ever tried to game the system by putting a really powerful name but the role you get disappoints you? I mean, it’s okay, but it requires a lot of things to go my way.
This is exactly how 'Shakeragian' became an adjective used for roles you're describing.
Tric, why would mafia ever think to kill you if you're only advertising the negative utility of your role?Bad vote.
Ur a bad vote
Do you have more to comment here than the drive by humor?
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game though.
. . .
I will refrain from voting for now, it seems there is enough pressured players to have interesting inputs on involved parties.
No, go get in the thick of it.
We'll know whether Jim is scum by whether or not he gets killed n1 so who cares.
It's N2, get it right.
Early reads:
NJW2000 - lean town
webadict - lean town
ToonyMan - lean weakly town
TricMagic - lean don't have a strong read but is probably town
Maximum Spin - lean don't have a strong read but is probably town
EuchreJack - lean don't have a strong read but is probably town
Knightwing64 - lean don't have a strong read but is probably town
TolyK - lean I don't dislike what I've seen so far
juicebox - lean mixed feelings because going after webadict for defending TricMagic is ehhhhhhhhhh but I like that he followed up his own post to ask another question
Nakeen - lean passive
Roden - lean bad TricMagic vote
Vector - lean technically in the game
notquitethere - lean robot that I want to see more of to make a judgment on
I would vote Roden right now if the day was about to end.
Despite being Day 1 in a fourteen player game this wasn't that onerous to get through.
Personal Protective Equipment:
I'm working on a post but I'm tempted to abandon it and go play Noita and watch anime instead.Ok, Jim is town.
This is a very low threshold.
You're not incorrect but it's not like I don't make perfectly irrelevant posts as scum.
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 10:51:53 pm
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-> notquitethere --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681),
-> TricMagic --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497), Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631),
Jim Groovester --1-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342),
juicebox --1-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417645#msg8417645),
Nakéen --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417405#msg8417405),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336),
ToonyMan --1-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
EuchreJack --0--
hector13 --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Maximum Spin --0--
Roden --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- hector13, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (~51 hours remaining).
Dang, could you imagine if we all just lazily did nothing and let TricMagic get voted out, that'd be incredibly unforeseeable. But trying to stop that would be, just, so overreacting.
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 10:53:17 pm
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding this, but I'm not reading this as a Vig claim. To me, it sounds like Tric's kill ability is a consequence of his action rather than being the main function of it. And he's implying that Mafia may be able to manipulate it/use it for themselves. So to me it just sounds like negative utility.Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.I am a Dragon. I burn people, among other things. What those things are are something you're have to find out, but at least my actions are known!Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.
Seriously though, On Fire.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 11:12:04 pm
Vote CountTric has two votes on him...and we aren't even close to deadline...
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-> notquitethere --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681),
-> TricMagic --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497), Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631),
Jim Groovester --1-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342),
juicebox --1-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417645#msg8417645),
Nakéen --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417405#msg8417405),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336),
ToonyMan --1-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
EuchreJack --0--
hector13 --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Maximum Spin --0--
Roden --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- hector13, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (~51 hours remaining).
Dang, could you imagine if we all just lazily did nothing and let TricMagic get voted out, that'd be incredibly unforeseeable. But trying to stop that would be, just, so overreacting.
Is there anyone actually pushing Tric or scum reading him right now?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 13, 2022, 11:15:31 pm
I feel like you are both asking and answering your own question.Vote CountTric has two votes on him...and we aren't even close to deadline...
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-> notquitethere --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681),
-> TricMagic --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497), Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631),
Jim Groovester --1-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342),
juicebox --1-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417645#msg8417645),
Nakéen --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417405#msg8417405),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336),
ToonyMan --1-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
EuchreJack --0--
hector13 --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Maximum Spin --0--
Roden --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- hector13, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (~51 hours remaining).
Dang, could you imagine if we all just lazily did nothing and let TricMagic get voted out, that'd be incredibly unforeseeable. But trying to stop that would be, just, so overreacting.
Is there anyone actually pushing Tric or scum reading him right now?
To make my point more clear: Who are you voting again?
Post by: webadict on October 13, 2022, 11:18:48 pm
If you want to look at it that way, then it may be that several players interact with certain mechanics negatively.Maybe I'm just misunderstanding this, but I'm not reading this as a Vig claim. To me, it sounds like Tric's kill ability is a consequence of his action rather than being the main function of it. And he's implying that Mafia may be able to manipulate it/use it for themselves. So to me it just sounds like negative utility.Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.I am a Dragon. I burn people, among other things. What those things are are something you're have to find out, but at least my actions are known!Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.
Seriously though, On Fire.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
It's possible that Soaked and On Fire! are both utilized by evil factions, but Tric is essentially in charge of a loaded gun. Anyone he targets is potentially killed. That's only a negative if you let it be a negative.
I honestly don't see a reason for TricMagic to claim On Fire! and a kill as Mafia, especially since he'd be outted on N1 when no Mafiakill happens. That's just a meta-read.
My role on top of that has literally no reason to give On Fire! status conditions, so it doesn't make any sense for TricMagic to be scum at all to me except to allow him to be able to Vigilante faster, and given my other Abilities, this kinda supports how my role works. That's a personal view of the entire thing. That's not really something I expect you to believe on the surface.
The real confusion for me is "Soaked" because it's... Kinda... Just there. I can get some information by Soaking people, but I'm not entirely sure why I have Soaked at all except that my results are technically public because of it. But, if everyone's Soaked by like Day 3, it's not gonna matter, so I'm gonna have to probably use it Tonight.
Tric has two votes on him...and we aren't even close to deadline...Assumedly you and notquitethere, but the real answer is probably not. I think it's a lazy place to keep your vote, where it looks active enough but really just kinda coasts.
Is there anyone actually pushing Tric or scum reading him right now?
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 11:28:09 pm
If you look at my vote you can see that I'm not pushing or scum reading Tric, it's a RVS vote with a question that never got answered.I feel like you are both asking and answering your own question.Vote CountTric has two votes on him...and we aren't even close to deadline...
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-> notquitethere --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681),
-> TricMagic --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497), Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631),
Jim Groovester --1-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342),
juicebox --1-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417645#msg8417645),
Nakéen --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417405#msg8417405),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336),
ToonyMan --1-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
EuchreJack --0--
hector13 --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Maximum Spin --0--
Roden --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- hector13, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (~51 hours remaining).
Dang, could you imagine if we all just lazily did nothing and let TricMagic get voted out, that'd be incredibly unforeseeable. But trying to stop that would be, just, so overreacting.
Is there anyone actually pushing Tric or scum reading him right now?
To make my point more clear: Who are you voting again?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 11:32:56 pm
If you look at my vote you can see that I'm not pushing or scum reading Tric, it's a RVS vote with a question that never got answered.Funny how it's still there, then.
Post by: Roden on October 13, 2022, 11:47:23 pm
That explains things a bit better actually. My role doesn't mention anything about status effects, specific or not, so seeing someone claim a kill ability working with a burning ability just makes it sound like an Arsonist/Arsonist-Enabler.If you want to look at it that way, then it may be that several players interact with certain mechanics negatively.Maybe I'm just misunderstanding this, but I'm not reading this as a Vig claim. To me, it sounds like Tric's kill ability is a consequence of his action rather than being the main function of it. And he's implying that Mafia may be able to manipulate it/use it for themselves. So to me it just sounds like negative utility.Odd. And yeah, it does do something. It kills people. Not much way to pretty that point up.I am a Dragon. I burn people, among other things. What those things are are something you're have to find out, but at least my actions are known!Yes, my Flareon also has access to a certain status condition. Does it do anything for you? Because it literally doesn't look like it does anything for me, hence the confusion.
Seriously though, On Fire.
... Wonder if anyone else has the ability to set it off. Well, maybe mafia will try to kill me, but unlikely given nearly everything I do sets people on fire.
It's possible that Soaked and On Fire! are both utilized by evil factions, but Tric is essentially in charge of a loaded gun. Anyone he targets is potentially killed. That's only a negative if you let it be a negative.
I honestly don't see a reason for TricMagic to claim On Fire! and a kill as Mafia, especially since he'd be outted on N1 when no Mafiakill happens. That's just a meta-read.
My role on top of that has literally no reason to give On Fire! status conditions, so it doesn't make any sense for TricMagic to be scum at all to me except to allow him to be able to Vigilante faster, and given my other Abilities, this kinda supports how my role works. That's a personal view of the entire thing. That's not really something I expect you to believe on the surface.
The real confusion for me is "Soaked" because it's... Kinda... Just there. I can get some information by Soaking people, but I'm not entirely sure why I have Soaked at all except that my results are technically public because of it. But, if everyone's Soaked by like Day 3, it's not gonna matter, so I'm gonna have to probably use it Tonight.Tric has two votes on him...and we aren't even close to deadline...Assumedly you and notquitethere, but the real answer is probably not. I think it's a lazy place to keep your vote, where it looks active enough but really just kinda coasts.
Is there anyone actually pushing Tric or scum reading him right now?
If Soak gives you info about roles, I don't mind getting targeted tonight. If it makes it public though, scum likely have some way to avoid having everything about their role leaked. Public Rolecop sounds kinda nuts.
I'll move over to NQT for now.
Maybe explain what makes it funny instead of vaguely shading me and doing nothing to try to solve me.If you look at my vote you can see that I'm not pushing or scum reading Tric, it's a RVS vote with a question that never got answered.Funny how it's still there, then.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 13, 2022, 11:59:34 pm
Maybe explain what makes it funny instead of vaguely shading me and doing nothing to try to solve me.I wasn't "shading" you, I was prompting you to change your vote. Which you just did, so it worked.
Post by: Roden on October 14, 2022, 12:02:37 am
Maximum Spin, maybe explain what makes it funny instead of pretending that you wanted me to change my vote.Maybe explain what makes it funny instead of vaguely shading me and doing nothing to try to solve me.I wasn't "shading" you, I was prompting you to change your vote. Which you just did, so it worked.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 01:17:55 am
Maximum Spin, maybe explain what makes it funny instead of pretending that you wanted me to change my vote.I...
it wasn't actually funny, Roden. It's a figure of speech. Like "it's funny how that works".
Post by: Roden on October 14, 2022, 01:47:00 am
I know it's not actually funny, I know what a figure of speech is. I'm asking what you meant by that.Maximum Spin, maybe explain what makes it funny instead of pretending that you wanted me to change my vote.I...
it wasn't actually funny, Roden. It's a figure of speech. Like "it's funny how that works".
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 01:51:44 am
Post by: Roden on October 14, 2022, 01:53:31 am
I was pointing out that, having just said that you were only voting to go along with a question that had already sat around for long enough to make the vote pointless, and that you weren't actually interested in lynching Tric, you should then change your vote, or else it looks exactly like what webadict suggested: a low-effort way to try to get someone mislynched with plausible deniability. Think of it as me reminding you to change your vote after you'd verbally invalidated it.
Hmm.Maybe explain what makes it funny instead of vaguely shading me and doing nothing to try to solve me.I wasn't "shading" you, I was prompting you to change your vote. Which you just did, so it worked.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 01:57:30 am
... yes, I just said the same thing, twice. With more words the second time. I can probably say it with even more words if you want.I was pointing out that, having just said that you were only voting to go along with a question that had already sat around for long enough to make the vote pointless, and that you weren't actually interested in lynching Tric, you should then change your vote, or else it looks exactly like what webadict suggested: a low-effort way to try to get someone mislynched with plausible deniability. Think of it as me reminding you to change your vote after you'd verbally invalidated it.Hmm.Maybe explain what makes it funny instead of vaguely shading me and doing nothing to try to solve me.I wasn't "shading" you, I was prompting you to change your vote. Which you just did, so it worked.
Post by: Roden on October 14, 2022, 02:02:23 am
I'm fine with my vote.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 02:04:27 am
Max, I'm gonna ask that you stop playing dumb here. You denied shading me then admitted that you were shading me for not changing my vote. And your posts so far today has either just been shade or joke posts with no content.... I don't actually know what you mean by "shading".
I'm fine with my vote.
Post by: TolyK on October 14, 2022, 02:16:51 am
TolyK's made six posts, and none of them have a take. They said they'd try to break the game, but they haven't been doing that.:shrug:
TolyK has been being very, very quiet.
Good point, honestly - I guess I haven't been looking for tells, but rather more for information related to the game setup.
Nope, do not need the ability name. However, the recipient would have to trust me, which they have the liberty not to.This sounds quite reasonable to me, at least as a whole.
Hmmmm, a player judgment in an opening post.
Good.By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?
Are you offering to remove it if only people would tell you the ability name?
So far, I haven't seen anything pointing to particularly negative abilities (posting restrictions don't count).
The idea is that I can voluntary-swap abilities, in a way, and then later remove the swapped abilities from the game if necessary.
Unfortunately, I can't do something like steal the mafiakill. :P
P.S. There was nothing I could tell that interacts with ability names, specifically.
Quote from: Webadict
...I don't remember if wuba is always this hyper, but - honestly - it's very good at distracting from the other posters.
I wonder what happens if I re-read while ignoring his posts...
On the good side, I feel we have a broader understanding of mechanics.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 14, 2022, 03:31:16 am
Vote CountThis... is just a lie?
@TolyK: I don't want to put pressure on you to build a solid case immediately, because that's basically a way for scum or bad town to ensure a miselim, but know that I'm serious about trying to kill you if you don't scumhunt or proactively try and break the game.
Post by: notquitethere on October 14, 2022, 05:43:32 am
ROBO-NQT-1000 has performed necessary maintenance according to its schedule (BST). Now performing Macro Scan, Bug Reports and Generated Questions.
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ACTIVATING MACRO SCAN
EuchreJack: Found. Activity Report: Provides report of past unit tests with this unit.
Jim Groovester: Found. Activity Report: Confusion about Nakéen NPC status eventually cleared up. Provides reads.
juicebox: Found. Activity Report: Pro-active questioning. No issues.
Knightwing64: Found. Activity Report: Claim (Serial Killer Miller). Low effort.
Maximum Spin: Found. Activity Report: Joke. Claims Conversion may be a possibility. Reluctantly explains his thought process and it is more comprehensive than expected.
Nakéen: Found. Activity Report: Answers questions and returns to Lurker Mode. WARNING: Question Missed.
NJW2000: Found. Activity Report: Counters Webadicts push against this unit's vote on TricMagic. Performs Low Activity Scan.
Roden: Found. Activity Report: Votes Tric and discusses validity of doing so. Later places unexplained vote on ROBO-NQT-1000 before moving it to MaximumSpin
TolyK: Found. Activity Report: speaks almost exclusively about his own role.
ToonyMan: Found. Activity Report: Town Hunting (moderate).
TricMagic: Found. Activity Report: Provides requested questions per Demand-2. Aggro level: high.
Vector: Found. Currently on standby for maintenance.
webadict: Found. Activity Report: Defends TricMagic (See Bug Report 001). Attacks this unit (see Bug Report 003). Town hunting (mild). Provides reads list.
Macro Scan Analysis
100% of suspects found.
Most suspicious: TolyK. Reason: Lurking. Passivity.
A large part of the activity was spurred successfully by this unit's pressure vote on TricMagic. Unfortunately, some users have misapprehensions about ROBO-NQT-1000 (see bug report). Activity remains in acceptable bounds for most users, but some have been flagged for suspicious activity/inactivity (see questions generated)
BUG REPORTS
001 "Fix your programming, ya bucket of bolts."
Issuer: Webadict.
Report: This unit's vote on Tric is bad because Tric is town, because Tric has claimed a kill power and is often mislynched on D1.
Response: Webadict has misunderstood an early game pressure vote intended to spur proactiveness on Tric's part. This vote was successful in its purpose and has now been deprectated.
002 "I'm loving the robot theme, but will you be able to keep it up after all 14 players are engaged?"
Issuer: Euchrejack
Report: This unit is a robot, which user Euchrejack believes is a 'theme'.
Response: User error. Roboticism is a feature, not a bug.
003 "I also think that NQT is actually probably scum, but that's a hard sell to people."
Issuer: Webadict.
Report: This unit is scumsided. No evidence provided, but likely due to TricMagic vote and/or anti-Robot prejudice.
Response: Webadict should be registered for robot sensitivity training. Webadict's assessment that this was a 'hard sell' was false.
004 "Why are you not running your human interaction protocols? Has the scum team just decided on fake post restrictions?"
Issuer: TricMagic
Report: This unit is a human pretending to be a robot.
Response: TricMagic should be registered for robot sensitivity training. A robot does not choose how it is made.
005 "Why was Tric your first choice to vote for pressure? Why haven't you asked another question to Max...?"
Issuer: Juicebox
Report: Query regarding this unit's vote and question selection procedure.
Response: This unit only has one vote, so a target was selected with weighting towards activity spur and new interaction. This unit has only a set number of questions per session due to limited cycles and there are still other users requiring addressing.
006 "My arbitrary assumptions about him worked last time. Same basic reasoning too."
Issuer: MaximumSpin
Report: ROBO-NQT-1000 is scum-sided because his pressure vote was on a town player and his play is similar to a previous match.
Response: No evidence is provided. User error. WNF.
007 "NQT is being quiet by most people's standards, but honestly this is pretty loud for them."
Issuer: NJW2000
Report: Unit has low activity but within the bounds of expected behaviour.
Response: This unit has higher activity than most of the other users in this match but has a maintenance schedule out of sync with most of the other users in this match.
008 "That type of model has holes where logic and reason cross each other."
Issuer: TricMagic
Report: [redacted anti-Robot slurs]
Response: The OMGUS virus detected on TricMagic's hard-drive.
Generated Questions
Question batch...003.
Nakéen - [MISSED QUESTION] What is your assessment of Roden's claim regarding you being like an Innocent Child?
TolyK - [DEMAND] Provide an assessment of at least three other players.
Maximum Spin - In what way is this unit similar to previous models?
Roden - What was the purpose of your vote momentarily parked upon ROBO-NQT-1000?
Post by: juicebox on October 14, 2022, 06:04:48 am
@Max I do want to hear a bit more from you. Does anything stand out to you at the moment? Is there anything anyone has said that you want to look into more?
I'm gonna go ahead and tell everyone that I have no night actions, however my actions can still affect the night phase.
Haven’t seen you before, anybody know this guy? I don’t have infooooo
Juicebox cool name tho
Obv town
I've played on this forum on and off.
Can you answer the question I asked you in my first post?
@Roden, Jack, Knightwing, and Nakeen I haven't had the pleasure of playing mafia with any of you. how would each of you describe your playstyles?
Quoted, in case you're lazy like me. Can you also give some thoughts on what's been going on?
Web further explains why Tric is town
Okay, I do like this explanation. I'll townread you for now.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 06:55:45 am
I'm quite busy, but...No, just forgot to put TolyK in the bot so the bot assumed you meant Toony.Vote CountThis... is just a lie?
Post by: TolyK on October 14, 2022, 07:07:00 am
No, just forgot to put TolyK in the bot so the bot assumed you meant Toony.Reading this after NQT's post made me extremely confused.
TolyK - [DEMAND] Provide an assessment of at least three other players.Noted, will do.
Post by: juicebox on October 14, 2022, 07:12:56 am
I'm quite busy, but...No, just forgot to put TolyK in the bot so the bot assumed you meant Toony.Vote CountThis... is just a lie?
It also put hector in the votecount
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 07:25:44 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 07:41:53 am
Neither can Jim.Ugh my bad. I can't read...That's Jim Groovester. We're not similar, but he has been unobtrusive this game, so I forgive you.
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game
I don't know if Roden is scum here. Would they be so combative and active in the game? Sure it's unusual for Roden this early, but he likes being really quiet and sideline-y as mafia in general from what I've seen.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 07:48:23 am
Jack still bothers me for some reason. I want to vote them to see what happens. What are you thinking Jack??
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 07:56:59 am
I am actually The Home Alone Movies.
I start the game with four items of various uses.
At night I have an auto action that allows me to plant an item at someone's house (including my own) that do things such as protect them or watch them. The item is used up once it goes off, and I'm notified when this happens. The item doesn't need to go off the same night I use it.
Also once per game I can hide for the night and become immune to all actions.
I also have a two-shot day ability I won't claim.
I think I have to finally come clean after carrying so much guilty baggage.
Post by: notquitethere on October 14, 2022, 08:18:23 am
009 "Suboptimal Response Rate"
Issuer: ROBO-NQT-1000
Report: Large posts appear to inhibit human ability to respond.
Response: "Human readable" printouts recommended for future.
Post by: notquitethere on October 14, 2022, 08:19:32 am
Question batch...004.
Jim Groovester: What is it about TolyK's posts that you like, or at least, do not dislike?
Knightwing: [MISSED QUESTION] What is your strategy for ensuring a town player is not ejected from the game on the first day?
Toonyman: Are you soliciting feedback on your invented roles?
Webadict: [POLITE REQUEST] Close down your outstanding reports (001, 003), or re-open new issues. Note: Your votecount also missed the fact that NJW2000 has two votes.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 08:23:56 am
I don't care if people respond to my roleclaims I think it's fun to think up roles that I could have been as a creative exercise even if it distracts from the game. Maybe I'm telling the truth somewhere too??
Post by: notquitethere on October 14, 2022, 08:31:00 am
010 "Knightwing missing questions is not a FoS at all."
Issuer: ToonyMan
Report: KW shouldn't be suspected for poor thread comprehension.
Response: This unit does not disagree with this assessment. Note: blue text is also used in ScumHunter Pro™ software to increase likelihood of text being spotted by inferior processors.
QuickScan™ Analysis
ToonyMan has made several contradictory role claims. Every claim mentions items as a role mechanic. It is possible that he wants to impart the existence of items without outright claiming. The reason for doing this is possibly for the purpose of [REDACTED].
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 08:38:27 am
Web - is sooooo town, please mafia kill this player
Tric - my role my role my roooole
Knightwing - claimed miller, town
Max - seems selfish and rude, town
Jim - personal protective equipment, probably town
NJW - probably town?
Roden - probably town?
NQT - beep boop
Jack - feels...controlled, suspicious
The unknowns
TolyK - I don't know
Vector - who
juicebox - I don't know
Nakéen - not with Jim
Post by: TricMagic on October 14, 2022, 09:08:19 am
Also, web should totally live until day 4, cause web ins on day 4, yeah? (Not really, but not against web living right now.)
Moving to pressure jack is odd though? Saying they feel controlled does not fill me with confidence in your jack-comprehension skills. Granted, they haven't been making a bunch of posts like before, but there's still a good amount for someone keeping an eye on the game.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 09:38:05 am
I am in truth Santa Claus, I mean Sandy Claws.
Each night I can give a random gift to a player.
I am immune to status effects thanks to my hardy shell.
Once per game during the day I can put a player on the Naughty List which will become publicly announced at the end of day. You don't want to be on the Naughty List.
As well as an auto night action I will refrain from claiming that might involve skeletons or reindeer or both.
Have you been naughty Jack? Or should I say...Jack Skellington!?
Post by: TricMagic on October 14, 2022, 09:43:15 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 09:49:20 am
Moving to pressure jack is odd though? Saying they feel controlled does not fill me with confidence in your jack-comprehension skills. Granted, they haven't been making a bunch of posts like before, but there's still a good amount for someone keeping an eye on the game.I have a good eye for Jack, especially D1.
You suspected me/Jack/Max last game, how do you feel about us now?
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 14, 2022, 09:55:23 am
Generated Questions
Question batch...004.
Jim Groovester: What is it about TolyK's posts that you like, or at least, do not dislike?
Knightwing: [MISSED QUESTION] What is your strategy for ensuring a town player is not ejected from the game on the first day?
Toonyman: Are you soliciting feedback on your invented roles?
Webadict: [POLITE REQUEST] Close down your outstanding reports (001, 003), or re-open new issues. Note: Your votecount also missed the fact that NJW2000 has two votes.
By correctly identifying that they aren’t scum.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 10:22:50 am
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-> TolyK --3-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
notquitethere --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681),
EuchreJack --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417853#msg8417853),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336),
ToonyMan --1-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417880#msg8417880),
Jim Groovester --0--
juicebox --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
Roden --0--
TricMagic --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --6-- Jim Groovester, juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831), Knightwing64, Nakéen, TolyK, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (~39 hours remaining).
There we go, even added in some fixes for multiple votes where your extra votes will automatically funnel into the first person you vote if you have leftovers. Look how neat and orderly that is.
Anyway, Jim, Knightwing, Nakeen, TolyK, and Vector should probably vote. I don't like people noncommittal. The only person with what I think is a valid excuse is probably Vector, but I still want them to vote. juicebox should also vote, but they've at least voted once.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 10:44:09 am
My FeelingsI see we have the same take! But, honestly, you're the Townier player here, so I think you should be Mafiakilled instead. It's only fair. I'm just trying to live my best life.
Web - is sooooo town, please mafia kill this player
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/912/483/6d1.gif)
Webadict: [POLITE REQUEST] Close down your outstanding reports (001, 003), or re-open new issues. Note: Your votecount also missed the fact that NJW2000 has two votes.Geez, give me some time to finish some other stuff. Here's your unvote, ya scrap metal hunk o' junk stealing hard-working human jobs. Why don't you parallel process some lemons?
I don't know if Roden is scum here. Would they be so combative and active in the game? Sure it's unusual for Roden this early, but he likes being really quiet and sideline-y as mafia in general from what I've seen.I am under the same conundrum. What they've said is simultaneously combative and contradictory to themselves that it feels very similar to the last time they were scum. I'm not sure I'd townread them though:
Roden - probably town?Weird take.
Also, web should totally live until day 4, cause web ins on day 4, yeah? (Not really, but not against web living right now.)My win rate if I survive Day 3 is >98%, so I would certainly like to make it there. I've only ever lost two games living past that, and that was Bay12 Mafia and Bellsounder.
Toony, you've lied twice so far. What's to say this roleclaim is any different from the last? As is all it does is inspire distrust in your claims and muddy the waters.Nah, don't worry about him, I'm planning on inspecting ToonyMan Tonight with my ultra rare holographic Espeon with Psychic capabilities. It's really just a precautionary tale, but we're all good in the hood.
Also, web should totally live until day 4, cause web ins on day 4, yeah? (Not really, but not against web living right now.)
Moving to pressure jack is odd though? Saying they feel controlled does not fill me with confidence in your jack-comprehension skills. Granted, they haven't been making a bunch of posts like before, but there's still a good amount for someone keeping an eye on the game.
By correctly identifying that they aren’t scum.Please list who this consists of to you currently and then vote someone not in that list.
Post by: TricMagic on October 14, 2022, 10:46:32 am
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 11:25:03 am
Post by: Nakéen on October 14, 2022, 12:36:39 pm
Nakéen - [MISSED QUESTION] What is your assessment of Roden's claim regarding you being like an Innocent Child?
At the risk of being confused, can you remind me what is an Innocent Child?
Anyway, Jim, Knightwing, Nakeen, TolyK, and Vector should probably vote. I don't like people noncommittal. The only person with what I think is a valid excuse is probably Vector, but I still want them to vote. juicebox should also vote, but they've at least voted once.
Voting is... uh, really not in my interest right now. If I had to vote though, I would default to Vector until he posts something more substantial to pressure manifestation.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 12:50:38 pm
Also, is there a reason you don't want to vote?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 01:30:35 pm
At the risk of being confused, can you remind me what is an Innocent Child?Confirmed town by official statement. Like this:
The three Figments hold up their single hands and make flagging motions. It appears there was an error in the start. Our bad, they cry!Well, Anti-Webadict meant "town" in that game. You still see the idea.
Jim Groovester, your Class President, is Anti-Webadict.
notquitethere: I guess everyone is making me explain the obvious this game. You don't really seem to be scumhunting. You seem to be hunting for criticisable behaviour. This, naturally, brings to mind your actions as mafia in webadict's supernatural, where you tried to harp on a trumped-up complaint of me lying. In this game, so far, you have... "shaded" several people for playing in a way that ostensibly doesn't meet your standards, but you have no theory under which this MEANS anything. You're just making lazy criticisms. Couple this with the use of this "high-effort" posting style that makes you seem engaged while actually only adding meaningless filler, and it doesn't look good. This is one of the two ways I know you act as scum. (The other way is "totally under the radar" like in that one where we all wrongly lynched Knightwing, but anyone will do that when such an opportunity arises.)
Post by: notquitethere on October 14, 2022, 02:00:04 pm
011 "You seem to be hunting for criticisable behaviour. "
Issuer: MaximumSpin
Report: Criticisable behaviour is apparently different from scum behaviour and so this unit is not sufficiently scumhunting.
Response: 1. It is early on Day One of this match, there is very little evidence to process. 2. Scum often disengage, attacking players on engagement issues is pro-game and catches scum. 3. If this was your real reason for voting this unit, you would be voting any of the many other players who have performed 0% hunting.
012 "Couple this with the use of this "high-effort" posting style that makes you seem engaged while actually only adding meaningless filler,"
Issuer: MaximumSpin
Report: This unit's personality module allows the illusion of activity.
Response: I am a robot.
Generated Questions
Question batch...005.
Jim Groovester - Your previous report stated Roden's vote on Tric was bad. Roden's vote has now changed. Which user has the worst vote in the game?
Juicebox - TricMagic thinks Toony's constant fakeclaims are scummy. What is your analysis?
Knightwing64 - Who is the least scummy user currently?
NJW2000 - Toony and Webadict are high volume users. Are there any signs you scan for to ascertain if they are scum?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 02:05:22 pm
If this was your real reason for voting this unit, you would be voting any of the many other players who have performed 0% hunting.But what I've described is a known and observed scum behaviour for you. For others, it may not be a strong indicator. I'm trying to find mafia, not just criticisable behaviour.
Anyway, I do have other options, but I'm not ready to pick one just yet. If you asked nicely I would unvote you in preparation, though.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 02:53:19 pm
Guess I'll unvote Nakeen since they've been posting.Dude, I gotta work for a living. You had the same issues with me last time. But hey, I guess your scum hunting, so I'm more annoyed at you than thinking you're scum at this point.
Jack still bothers me for some reason. I want to vote them to see what happens. What are you thinking Jack??
I have a confession to make, I lied about my role last time.I'm inclined to believe this claim as it matches your current avatar. You like doing that. As for your actual abilities, that sounds like a Day 2 problem.
I am actually The Home Alone Movies.
I start the game with four items of various uses.
At night I have an auto action that allows me to plant an item at someone's house (including my own) that do things such as protect them or watch them. The item is used up once it goes off, and I'm notified when this happens. The item doesn't need to go off the same night I use it.
Also once per game I can hide for the night and become immune to all actions.
I also have a two-shot day ability I won't claim.
I think I have to finally come clean after carrying so much guilty baggage.
We seem to have flipped positions in playing: whereas before you were unable to play much at work, now you can. Whereas before I could play a lot at work, now I can't.
I'm only slightly worried about one vote in a 14 player game.
Alright, back to work for me.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 03:05:18 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 03:15:00 pm
Okay, I changed my mind, Max AND NQT are Town.who do I vote then
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 03:23:47 pm
Jack and the BeanstalkOkay, I changed my mind, Max AND NQT are Town.who do I vote then
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 03:30:53 pm
Cool and collected Jack who is holding their cards to their chestThe work excuse is fine, but I still feel like I saw you post real townie in Web Super compared to here so far. Bleed your heart out Jack, yell to the heavens how you feel!!
Also I've been able to post at work the whole time since coming back, the difference is that I've been at the office more often since last July.
Post by: notquitethere on October 14, 2022, 03:34:47 pm
The adventure game masterpiece known as Toonstruck, starring Christopher Lloyd, is Toonyman's avatar. Home Alone is not related to Toonstruck. EuchreJack did not know this, which shows deficiency in his programming. Toonyman did not correct him on this matter, which could imply improper scanning capacity, or it could be an implicit ploy to mislead Euchrejack into believing the role claim.
WARNING ROBO-NQT-1000 may enter standby mode for... ~10-20 hours for regularly scheduled maintenance.
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Goodnight, world.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 03:50:47 pm
I dunno... I'm still okay with you voting notquitethere, but I think he's Town, somewhere deep down in his programming.Okay, I changed my mind, Max AND NQT are Town.who do I vote then
If I had to pick, I'd be okay voting out Knightwing, Roden, NJW2000, or maybe even Vector, though I really don't wanna vote out Vector.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 03:57:38 pm
The adventure game masterpiece known as Toonstruck, starring Christopher Lloyd, is Toonyman's avatar. Home Alone is not related to Toonstruck. EuchreJack did not know this, which shows deficiency in his programming. Toonyman did not correct him on this matter, which could imply improper scanning capacity, or it could be an implicit ploy to mislead Euchrejack into believing the role claim.You are correct. I didn't think of pointing this out to Jack since I was more focused on understanding them. I'm glad you think Toonstruck is a masterpiece, on the same level as Day of the Tentacle or something.
If I had to pick, I'd be okay voting out Knightwing, Roden, NJW2000, or maybe even Vector, though I really don't wanna vote out Vector.Meh, I'm not really comfortable with voting Knightwing but I could see the rest if I had to.
Post by: TricMagic on October 14, 2022, 04:24:38 pm
... Who brought up mention of cults again. Jack apparently. It becomes a question of why that claim. While voting him out reveals his role, the chances of him being mafia are zero. Mafia has no reason to claim an SK-Miller role, they would just use a standard miller claim I feel.
As a question, there is an Sk-Miller, so would there also be an Sk?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 04:42:17 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 04:51:32 pm
Cause of being a serial killer miller, or something? If he's mafia, it would be strange to claim it. If he's town, also strange, but probably true maybe?Yes, this is one reason I don't want to vote Knightwing.
... Who brought up mention of cults again. Jack apparently. It becomes a question of why that claim. While voting him out reveals his role, the chances of him being mafia are zero. Mafia has no reason to claim an SK-Miller role, they would just use a standard miller claim I feel.
As a question, there is an Sk-Miller, so would there also be an Sk?
Post by: TricMagic on October 14, 2022, 04:55:46 pm
Roden it is, then....
Post by: TricMagic on October 14, 2022, 04:57:49 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on October 14, 2022, 05:00:43 pm
Quite busy. Don't elim TolyK while I'm gone.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 05:54:00 pm
Roden today looks like the armed forces game... a bit, at least.I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean that Roden looks like something in that game today, or are you telling Roden that today looks like that game?
Quite busy. Don't elim TolyK while I'm gone.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 14, 2022, 06:00:22 pm
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early morning spat between Roden and Maximum Spin
This is an interesting exchange but I'm not sure what conclusion to draw from it. Roden elects to keep his vote on Maximum Spin as a result of the exchange which I don't think much of but I do like Roden's feistiness here.
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ToonyMan's fake role claims
But why?
003 "I also think that NQT is actually probably scum, but that's a hard sell to people."
Issuer: Webadict.
Report: This unit is scumsided. No evidence provided, but likely due to TricMagic vote and/or anti-Robot prejudice.
Response: Webadict should be registered for robot sensitivity training. Webadict's assessment that this was a 'hard sell' was false.
What's the point of robot sensitivity training when robots can't get offended?
QuickScan™ Analysis
ToonyMan has made several contradictory role claims. Every claim mentions items as a role mechanic. It is possible that he wants to impart the existence of items without outright claiming. The reason for doing this is possibly for the purpose of [REDACTED].
There are items in this game because I have items.
Jim Groovester: What is it about TolyK's posts that you like, or at least, do not dislike?
Jim Groovester - Your previous report stated Roden's vote on Tric was bad. Roden's vote has now changed. Which user has the worst vote in the game?
You asked me two questions before getting a response to your first and both of these questions you could have asked at the same time. Do you just like tossing out questions for the sake of appearing active?
You knooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow that in webadict's Supernatural (or as I like to call it wooba dooba soopa noocha) Lenglon commented on how your play struck her as fake activity, and that you were scum in that game?
1: When I made my
2: Probably Roden still but TricMagic voting ToonyMan is a stiff competitor. At this point I probably don't vote either of them.
Most suspicious: TolyK. Reason: Lurking. Passivity.
I can see this.
TolyK - [DEMAND] Provide an assessment of at least three other players.Noted, will do.
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Yes, I can definitely see TolyK being passive.
Anyway, Jim, Knightwing, Nakeen, TolyK, and Vector should probably vote. I don't like people noncommittal. The only person with what I think is a valid excuse is probably Vector, but I still want them to vote. juicebox should also vote, but they've at least voted once.
I'm not going to argue that I shouldn't vote I just don't feel like it at the moment.
Wow Maximum Spin voted before me. Crazy world we live in these days.
Tric - my role my role my roooole
I think TricMagic is probably town but I don't feel the same level of obsession about his role as other games.
Anyway, Jim, Knightwing, Nakeen, TolyK, and Vector should probably vote. I don't like people noncommittal. The only person with what I think is a valid excuse is probably Vector, but I still want them to vote. juicebox should also vote, but they've at least voted once.
Voting is... uh, really not in my interest right now. If I had to vote though, I would default to Vector until he posts something more substantial to pressure manifestation.
How much experience do you have with mafia?
And who do you suspect?
come on plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay show me what youre made oooooooooooooof
notquitethere: I guess everyone is making me explain the obvious this game. You don't really seem to be scumhunting. You seem to be hunting for criticisable behaviour. This, naturally, brings to mind your actions as mafia in webadict's supernatural, where you tried to harp on a trumped-up complaint of me lying. In this game, so far, you have... "shaded" several people for playing in a way that ostensibly doesn't meet your standards, but you have no theory under which this MEANS anything. You're just making lazy criticisms. Couple this with the use of this "high-effort" posting style that makes you seem engaged while actually only adding meaningless filler, and it doesn't look good. This is one of the two ways I know you act as scum. (The other way is "totally under the radar" like in that one where we all wrongly lynched Knightwing, but anyone will do that when such an opportunity arises.)
I am upgrading my read on you from 'not a strong read but probably town' to 'town'.
Quite a few people lacking engagement in this game. If I go by pure FEEL without actually checking I'd say TolyK, Nakeen, and EuchreJack feel less engaged than they could be. Also I forgot about Vector. None of these players have provided strong opinions about other players in the game.
I guess I actually will vote TolyK since I think his lack of engagement is the most offensive (given that Vector provided an excuse).
Post by: Roden on October 14, 2022, 06:49:00 pm
Are you being genuine or are you just trying to save face?Max, I'm gonna ask that you stop playing dumb here. You denied shading me then admitted that you were shading me for not changing my vote. And your posts so far today has either just been shade or joke posts with no content.... I don't actually know what you mean by "shading".
I'm fine with my vote.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 06:58:32 pm
I'm serious. Isn't it drag slang for "insulting"? But that doesn't seem to make sense in context. There's no way you could reasonably think I intended to insult you.Are you being genuine or are you just trying to save face?Max, I'm gonna ask that you stop playing dumb here. You denied shading me then admitted that you were shading me for not changing my vote. And your posts so far today has either just been shade or joke posts with no content.... I don't actually know what you mean by "shading".
I'm fine with my vote.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 07:13:56 pm
Anyway, Roden
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 07:18:17 pm
Think of it more as blemishing his character. I think he's wrong, but that's what he means.Well, right. In this case, accusing him without accusing him. Like the way I used it to notquitethere. But I thought I was clear that that wasn't what I was doing, so if that is what he meant, I did not admit to any such thing.
Anyway, Roden
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 14, 2022, 07:50:57 pm
I’m confident that Max is town, or at least not mafia.
Post by: Roden on October 14, 2022, 07:57:44 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 14, 2022, 08:01:40 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 08:02:48 pm
Roden today looks like the armed forces game... a bit, at least.But...Roden wasn't in Armed Forces?
Quite busy. Don't elim TolyK while I'm gone.
Curses. my lack of free time is making me appear suspiciousWhy?
I’m confident that Max is town, or at least not mafia.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 14, 2022, 08:06:33 pm
One, Max was mafia a little bit ago, making it unlikely for them to be mafia again.
I have a good feeling about them, doesn’t feel like scum Max to me, it feels different.
You get it?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 08:09:44 pm
One, Max was mafia a little bit ago, making it unlikely for them to be mafia again.Hahahahahaha
Haha
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
I have a good feeling about them, doesn’t feel like scum Max to me, it feels different.Yes. No. Maybe.
You get it?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:18:40 pm
TolyK has a post restriction and is not technically part of the game. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417428#msg8417428)
Actually, Fallacy said anyone with a setup ability can't post until they submit their setup instruction, so that would in fact be a post restriction. But if that is the case, what did Tolyk do?
TolyK apparently knows items exist, but doesn't have one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417455#msg8417455) Then inquires as to whether anyone has an ability they really really really don't like (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417456#msg8417456), later clarifying that they don't care about the names but rather whether the other player has something they'd like to get rid of. (http://later clarifying that they don't care about the names but rather whether the other player has something they'd like to get rid of.)
Seems to imply ability destruction rather than suppression.
TolyK notes their posting restriction has been fulfilled, for now... (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417502#msg8417502)
TolyK further describes his ability as voluntary-swap with option of dumping the swapped ability. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417788#msg8417788)
TolyK acknowledges reciept of the Demand for assessment of at least three players (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417842#msg8417842)
And there we are. I can see one or two people voting TolyK to force that demand through, but I can hardly see that being cause for a wagon at this stage of the game, with End of Day being Sunday.
Note that double-voter NJW2000 is voting.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:19:18 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:35:36 pm
TricMagic first voted, then changed to ToonyMan, then back to TolyK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417902#msg8417902). Like a Jester, went from First Vote to Third Voter. I love you Tric. :P
NJW2000 used his double vote on TolyK. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695) Pressure Vote, presumably.
NQT's computer told it to vote TolyK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828). Since NQT had an assignment for TolyK, this seems to be in response to that.
Web couldn't live with himself if he missed a promising bandwagon, and so voted TolyK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417919#msg8417919). Web has since recalled that vote (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418084#msg8418084), probably to stop the hammer.
Jim hates playing Forum Mafia, so voted TolyK (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058) to end the day faster. Or more likely, Jim wanted to see what would happen. Jim likes decisiveness and action.
Jim & NJW2000 seem the most suspicious out of those voters, although NQT's computer might be hacking my system.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 08:38:02 pm
How about Roden?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:40:26 pm
@Jack:Not feeling Roden.
How about Roden?
"I'm being mislynched!! MISLYNCHED!!!! They're framing me again, you all see it, right RIGHT?!"
...is town!Roden.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:43:48 pm
@juicebox: What do YOU think of the TolyK wagon?
Post by: juicebox on October 14, 2022, 08:44:35 pm
It would make our lives a bit easier
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:45:23 pm
INDRAGON, We Dragon.Oh, I missed this. Tric apparently decided hiding his role was beyond his abilities before the game even started.
Know Thyself, Tric.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:46:23 pm
Hey Web, any chance we can get a lurker tracker too please?
It would make our lives a bit easier
Web had one cobbled together last game, but might be too busy building a competitor to NQT.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 08:47:27 pm
I agree.@Jack:Not feeling Roden.
How about Roden?
"I'm being mislynched!! MISLYNCHED!!!! They're framing me again, you all see it, right RIGHT?!"
...is town!Roden.
Yeah, also the OP literally starts with "ur a dragon" or something.INDRAGON, We Dragon.Oh, I missed this. Tric apparently decided hiding his role was beyond his abilities before the game even started.
Know Thyself, Tric.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:51:43 pm
Yes, we're all dragons, hence why I think Tric's actual role is Mr. Redundant.I agree.@Jack:Not feeling Roden.
How about Roden?
"I'm being mislynched!! MISLYNCHED!!!! They're framing me again, you all see it, right RIGHT?!"
...is town!Roden.Yeah, also the OP literally starts with "ur a dragon" or something.INDRAGON, We Dragon.Oh, I missed this. Tric apparently decided hiding his role was beyond his abilities before the game even started.
Know Thyself, Tric.
But hey...DRAGONS ARE COOLZ
Post by: EuchreJack on October 14, 2022, 08:54:50 pm
By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?Quick TolK, use Disable!
@TolyK: Since you don't speak Tricanese, you probably didn't realize that Tric was taking you up on your offer. I barely understood it myself, so I don't blame you.
@Tric: Could you confirm that you'd like TolyK to remove your Kill Everything With Fire ability? Then maybe you don't need to vote TolyK?
Post by: juicebox on October 14, 2022, 09:50:23 pm
BUG REPORT (cont)
011 "You seem to be hunting for criticisable behaviour. "
Issuer: MaximumSpin
Report: Criticisable behaviour is apparently different from scum behaviour and so this unit is not sufficiently scumhunting.
Response: 1. It is early on Day One of this match, there is very little evidence to process. 2. Scum often disengage, attacking players on engagement issues is pro-game and catches scum. 3. If this was your real reason for voting this unit, you would be voting any of the many other players who have performed 0% hunting.
012 "Couple this with the use of this "high-effort" posting style that makes you seem engaged while actually only adding meaningless filler,"
Issuer: MaximumSpin
Report: This unit's personality module allows the illusion of activity.
Response: I am a robot.
Generated Questions
Question batch...005.
Jim Groovester - Your previous report stated Roden's vote on Tric was bad. Roden's vote has now changed. Which user has the worst vote in the game?
Juicebox - TricMagic thinks Toony's constant fakeclaims are scummy. What is your analysis?
Knightwing64 - Who is the least scummy user currently?
NJW2000 - Toony and Webadict are high volume users. Are there any signs you scan for to ascertain if they are scum?
I think they're just as alignment indicative as Web's, which is to say slightly townish. It's a common town tactic of theirs to muddle info so that it's harder for scum to tell who they should be targeting. One of his claims would have been hilarious if true, for reasons I may reveal later in the day.
I'm currently leaning town on Tric, Web, Max, and Jack, Toony, and Jim. I'm leaning neutral on Roden, and NJW, I need to see more from Knightwing, Nakeen, and of course Vector, and I'm currently leaning scum on NQT and TolyK.
TolyK hasn't said very much, and what they have said hasn't contributed very much to the gamestate. They've claimed an disabling ability but hasn't really contributed much beyond that. I get the feeling that the low activity may be due to being busy, but I feel like they've had enough time to form some opinion about the game, even if it's not a particularly in depth one.
I'm okay with the TolyK wagon, but I don't want to join it until they've had a chance to come back on and say something.
NQT has been a bit more active than TolyK, but I still feel as though they're activelurking. Most of their questions have been of a general sort, and they haven't really pushed on anyone at all. I feel as though they're trying to make it look as though they're engaging without really engaging.
While I do think that Roden's has had some flawed reasoning, I do like the way that they've been engaging so far.
NJW has made some good points, but I have a gut feeling that something's not right about them.
Web and Toony are both exhibiting behaviors that I've seen from them in previous town games.
I'm leaning town on Tric because looking at the evidence that Web gave for them being town it makes sense.
Max has been making some good posts, they given some good reads and even had a nice response to NQT's question.
Jim, is hard to read as ever, but my gut is saying that they're town right now.
NJW: Have you been able to form any reads based on what you've seen since your last post? What's your opinion on NQT right now?
NQT: Who is your top scumpick and why?
Nakeen: I understand that you may be busy and not have much time to post, but you need to make at least a little bit of effort to contibute to the game. You can start by answering NQT's question to you (quoted below for easy access) and then maybe your thoughts on the game so far.
Spoiler: NQT's question (click to show/hide)
Roden: Do you think Max is scum? If not, then who do you suspect?
Knightwing:
One, Max was mafia a little bit ago, making it unlikely for them to be mafia again.
This is called the Gambler's fallacy. As denoted by the name, this is faulty logic, and shouldn't be used to make a case that someone's not scum.
Do you have reads on anyone other than Max?
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 10:10:40 pm
Hey Web, any chance we can get a lurker tracker too please?DnD night, so sorry about the delay.
It would make our lives a bit easier
Lurker Track
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EuchreJack - 67 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336) 68 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417338#msg8417338) 72 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417348#msg8417348) 119 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417537#msg8417537) 143 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417607#msg8417607) 144 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417608#msg8417608) 145 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417610#msg8417610) 172 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417691#msg8417691) 187 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417742#msg8417742) 231 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417966#msg8417966) 257 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418109#msg8418109) 258 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418110#msg8418110) 259 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418117#msg8418117) 261 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418121#msg8418121) 262 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418123#msg8418123) 264 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418125#msg8418125) 265 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418126#msg8418126) 267 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418128#msg8418128) 268 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418130#msg8418130) Last post was 2 hours ago.
Jim Groovester - 110 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417501#msg8417501) 112 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417503#msg8417503) 122 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417540#msg8417540) 126 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417552#msg8417552) 180 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417712#msg8417712) 183 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417720#msg8417720) 246 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058) Last post was 5 hours ago.
juicebox - 70 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342) 71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417343#msg8417343) 103 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417476#msg8417476) 147 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417618#msg8417618) 148 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417621#msg8417621) 155 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417638#msg8417638) 165 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417666#msg8417666) 204 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831) 207 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417843#msg8417843) 263 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418124#msg8418124) 269 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418144#msg8418144) Last post was 1 hour ago.
Knightwing64 - 127 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417555#msg8417555) 173 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417694#msg8417694) 221 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417887#msg8417887) 251 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418094#msg8418094) 253 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418102#msg8418102) 255 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418104#msg8418104) Last post was 3 hours ago.
Maximum Spin - 94 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417458#msg8417458) 98 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417465#msg8417465) 99 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417466#msg8417466) 113 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417512#msg8417512) 123 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417541#msg8417541) 136 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417584#msg8417584) 166 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678) 169 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417686#msg8417686) 175 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417696#msg8417696) 178 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417701#msg8417701) 190 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417748#msg8417748) 192 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417757#msg8417757) 194 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417773#msg8417773) 196 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417781#msg8417781) 198 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417783#msg8417783) 200 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417786#msg8417786) 228 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417954#msg8417954) 230 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417959#msg8417959) 233 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417973#msg8417973) 240 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418020#msg8418020) 245 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418054#msg8418054) 248 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418078#msg8418078) 250 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418085#msg8418085) Last post was 3 hours ago.
Nakéen - 132 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417572#msg8417572) 181 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417717#msg8417717) 226 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417938#msg8417938) Last post was 10 hours ago.
NJW2000 - 74 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417380#msg8417380) 102 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417469#msg8417469) 120 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417538#msg8417538) 125 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417549#msg8417549) 174 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695) 202 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417801#msg8417801) 244 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418031#msg8418031) Last post was 6 hours ago.
notquitethere - 75 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417384#msg8417384) 108 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497) 116 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417518#msg8417518) 117 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417520#msg8417520) 203 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828) 212 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417868#msg8417868) 213 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417869#msg8417869) 215 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417874#msg8417874) 229 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417958#msg8417958) 236 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417981#msg8417981) Last post was 7 hours ago.
Roden - 69 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417341#msg8417341) 73 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417362#msg8417362) 150 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631) 154 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417637#msg8417637) 159 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417653#msg8417653) 163 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417659#msg8417659) 164 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417661#msg8417661) 182 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417719#msg8417719) 185 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417734#msg8417734) 186 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417740#msg8417740) 189 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417747#msg8417747) 191 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417752#msg8417752) 193 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759) 195 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417779#msg8417779) 197 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417782#msg8417782) 199 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417784#msg8417784) 247 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418076#msg8418076) 252 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418098#msg8418098) Last post was 3 hours ago.
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Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 10:36:50 pm
Multiple minor reasons.This... isn't entirely alignment indicative, but it's not pushing me Town. I'm still gonna say I'd be okay with a Knightwing execution, but I won't advocate for it.
One, Max was mafia a little bit ago, making it unlikely for them to be mafia again.
I have a good feeling about them, doesn’t feel like scum Max to me, it feels different.
You get it?
I will, however, state that I'm very much against TolyK's execution on the grounds that I'm feeling him as Town. ... But, maybe it's hypocritical of me to state that I'm not entirely against it because I don't know TolyK's play style as well as I used to. I think it's a miselimination by a large margin. I think Roden is still a better choice.
I keep forgetting Lunchbox, oh I mean juicebox exists.This one's tricky. I'm intuitively feeling juicebox is Town based on his last couple of posts, but his posts before that were pretty lackluster. I'd say he wasn't fully engaged before now. I'm not 100% against it, but it's starting to feel worse now that it's an option.
@juicebox: What do YOU think of the TolyK wagon?
I'm assuming Knightwing isn't an option. I still think Roden is scum. I could say that notquitethere is an option, but it's less appealing. Weird as that is, this feels more like his play in Jade Court, where I had (and kinda still have) some trouble reading him. I think Max is right to go after him. I think Max is seeing everything I'm seeing, and that's why it's weird that while notquitethere is activelurking to an extent, it doesn't feel malicious. His mindset seems pretty reasonable to me.
Max is hella Town. ToonyMan is hella Town (I'll explain this later, don't worry about it). TricMagic is hella Town. EuchreJack is hella Town. Nakeen is hella Town. TolyK is probs Town. juicebox is probs Town. notquitethere is probs Town. Jim is... probs Town. Knightwing64 is scum-sided. Roden is hella scum. NJW2000 might be scum. Vector is technically a player.
So, my guess is that scum are within Jim/Roden/NJW2000/Vector/Knightwing64. 50% chance that I've got multiple in there.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 10:37:56 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 11:24:24 pm
Weird as that is, this feels more like his play in Jade Court, where I had (and kinda still have) some trouble reading him.Funny story. I 100% agree with this, I still don't really get how he wasn't scum there, and this second-guess is largely why I was willing to unvote him.
So yeah, same page there for sure.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 14, 2022, 11:27:15 pm
I guess he just kind of does this sometimes, and it works because it entertains ToonyMan? ToonyMan being entertained and going along with it may have actually cost him that game since the two of us together effectively controlled the last two votes. So I guess there is value to it.
Post by: webadict on October 14, 2022, 11:35:41 pm
Quit copying me!Weird as that is, this feels more like his play in Jade Court, where I had (and kinda still have) some trouble reading him.Funny story. I 100% agree with this, I still don't really get how he wasn't scum there, and this second-guess is largely why I was willing to unvote him.
So yeah, same page there for sure.
After posting that, I wanted to add:I think ToonyMan's scum game relies on a lot of short-term goals. His long-term goals tend to be a little more playing-by-ear, so him getting to Day 3 with someone from his team that wasn't him was really difficult. Him getting himself on the Board as anything but a Day 1 vote would've been pretty short, but it'd make him unelectable. Honestly, I think he was probably in a lost game from the start, but he did what he had to do.
I guess he just kind of does this sometimes, and it works because it entertains ToonyMan? ToonyMan being entertained and going along with it may have actually cost him that game since the two of us together effectively controlled the last two votes. So I guess there is value to it.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 14, 2022, 11:58:05 pm
big postMmmm effort.
After posting that, I wanted to add:I mean, yes, I like NQT here partly because of Jade Court.
I guess he just kind of does this sometimes, and it works because it entertains ToonyMan? ToonyMan being entertained and going along with it may have actually cost him that game since the two of us together effectively controlled the last two votes. So I guess there is value to it.
I know this reasoning backfired in Web's Supernatural (I thought his vote on me was just like Roguelike Mafia where he was town), however it became really apparent NQT was fishy after D1. I still don't really want to vote NQT currently, but I also believe NQT gets shakier as mafia as the game progresses which I haven't seen yet besides being a bit distant in the game so far. He's been putting in way more work than Web's Supernatural.
I think ToonyMan's scum game relies on a lot of short-term goals. His long-term goals tend to be a little more playing-by-ear, so him getting to Day 3 with someone from his team that wasn't him was really difficult. Him getting himself on the Board as anything but a Day 1 vote would've been pretty short, but it'd make him unelectable. Honestly, I think he was probably in a lost game from the start, but he did what he had to do.I like having good chemistry with my scum partners. I think it can be difficult to find success when allies are unable to communicate well or get along.
Max and Web seem really town to me (unless they're both mafia *shiver*), so I don't really see how town loses here unless we completely punt.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:02:01 am
Max is hella Town. ToonyMan is hella Town (I'll explain this later, don't worry about it). TricMagic is hella Town. EuchreJack is hella Town. Nakeen is hella Town. TolyK is probs Town. juicebox is probs Town. notquitethere is probs Town. Jim is... probs Town. Knightwing64 is scum-sided. Roden is hella scum. NJW2000 might be scum. Vector is technically a player.Why is Nakeen town?
So, my guess is that scum are within Jim/Roden/NJW2000/Vector/Knightwing64. 50% chance that I've got multiple in there.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 12:14:20 am
I dunno, first post really spoke to me, and the other posts never detracted. Also, he can't be elimmed today, so I also didn't really think to hard about it.Max is hella Town. ToonyMan is hella Town (I'll explain this later, don't worry about it). TricMagic is hella Town. EuchreJack is hella Town. Nakeen is hella Town. TolyK is probs Town. juicebox is probs Town. notquitethere is probs Town. Jim is... probs Town. Knightwing64 is scum-sided. Roden is hella scum. NJW2000 might be scum. Vector is technically a player.Why is Nakeen town?
So, my guess is that scum are within Jim/Roden/NJW2000/Vector/Knightwing64. 50% chance that I've got multiple in there.
Looking back at the first post... I'm still pretty sure Nakeen is Town.
Max and Web seem really town to me (unless they're both mafia *shiver*), so I don't really see how town loses here unless we completely punt.If you believe that, then there's reason to believe that one of us three may be converted Tonight. I'd actually prefer it not be me because I've been setting up a spiderweb this whole time and it'd make my life a lot harder, but that's supposing that that's even possible.
But, I can only play to my current wincon, so what am I to do? Do I half-ass it on the chance that I turn scum? Tough call. Long game planning is hard with incomplete knowledge!
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:27:29 am
They're a player I've never seen before and I don't know their mafia experience, but I wouldn't waste such a gift, screw the repercussions.
If Nakeen is town I can see that, but I want them to play more. Similarly, I'm annoyed by Vector since their absence means absolutely nothing about their alignment, which allows them to coast as mafia or just solve the game by themselves one week from now as town instead of solving it now.
If you believe that, then there's reason to believe that one of us three may be converted Tonight. I'd actually prefer it not be me because I've been setting up a spiderweb this whole time and it'd make my life a lot harder, but that's supposing that that's even possible.Pretty sure if one of us gets converted then that person is going to win. Let it be me for once. 8)
But, I can only play to my current wincon, so what am I to do? Do I half-ass it on the chance that I turn scum? Tough call. Long game planning is hard with incomplete knowledge!
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 12:30:58 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:35:19 am
I can't read NJW so he could just be mafia here, pretty weak reason to vote someone
Vector is completely null, pretty bad reason to vote them
Strongest against
I don't want to vote Knightwing because I don't really think that can be mafia.
I like Jim.
I don't really think Roden would be this attention grabbing as mafia, especially so early.
Weakest against
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 12:40:14 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:44:30 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:47:27 am
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 12:54:11 am
We could... dare I say... NO ELIMINATE???
Is anyone so daring?!? That's the real coinflip if I believe Max Spin on the convert... And I kinda do!
Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 01:17:57 am
Post by: Nakéen on October 15, 2022, 01:27:10 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for the clarification Spin!
To answer notquitethere, I thought it reasonable of Roden to immediately dismiss my presence for the first day. It did mildly surprise me and made me a bit wary of Roden, in a tepid meh way.
Just a heads-up that Vector is a they.
Also, is there a reason you don't want to vote?
Thanks for the heads-up. It was right in their signature too, hah. It's not that I don't want to vote, it just felt like it wasn't necessary at that point and I just didn't have any read. I hoped to wait for more people to manifest.
@Nakeen:
Is the D1 thing your doing?
My issue with Nakeen is I don't feel they're taking advantage of their lack of being eliminated today, you know?
They're a player I've never seen before and I don't know their mafia experience, but I wouldn't waste such a gift, screw the repercussions.
If Nakeen is town I can see that, but I want them to play more. Similarly, I'm annoyed by Vector since their absence means absolutely nothing about their alignment, which allows them to coast as mafia or just solve the game by themselves one week from now as town instead of solving it now.
That's fair. I'm still a bit puzzled people seem rather okay with Vector being inactive, but I guess once they post they will have all eyes on them so that balances it out.
If I had to give my impressions, I'm wary of players using a ton of filler/fluff posts whether they post analyses or not (webadict, ToonyMan, TricMagic but they are already under heavy scrutiny). It's a lot of noise, which combined with the sizeable amount of players is bound to cause some confusion. But I guess that's the point of all the noise?
Post by: Nakéen on October 15, 2022, 01:32:54 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 01:49:08 am
I assume the D1 invulnerability is your doing?
Post by: Nakéen on October 15, 2022, 01:51:25 am
@Nakeen:Yes sorry, I was sure I answered that before.
I assume the D1 invulnerability is your doing?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 01:55:16 am
You make observation, but who would you vote right now?
Are Roden, TolyK, or NJW good votes?
Post by: Nakéen on October 15, 2022, 02:23:05 am
@Nakeen:Honestly I don't feel strongly against any of them. If I had to vote:
You make observation, but who would you vote right now?
Are Roden, TolyK, or NJW good votes?
NJW > Roden = TolyK
NJW [Okay maybe vote?]: they are on TolyK but maybe no? I don't get why they are though, it just felt so sudden. Okay the more I think about it, the more it seems suspicious. Then again I would wait to see what else they have to say about TolyK.
Roden [huh? vote]: they suggested I was town in a wishy-washy way, which could be a way to curry favor with me? They had some bizarre banter with Maximum Spin too, and overall they just register as bizarre.
TolyK [meh vote]: shrug. They were fishing for mechanics, and felt as lost as I was. People seemed to suddenly get on them, but I just can't see why.
Does that make sense?
Also @ToonyMan while I'm at it I have an inquiry too, and sorry if I missed something.
Re-reading your posts I don't get why you are thinking TolyK could be scum and it doesn't seem like you gave a reason.
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 02:42:05 am
Thank you for waiting and for giving me a chance to catch up on school. I have time to post tomorrow and thereafter.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2022, 03:58:29 am
I'm going back to voting NJW2000
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2022, 04:02:32 am
Dude, it's a Killocracy. You don't HAVE to vote, you GET to vote. It is both your responsibility and right as a loyal townie to vote out scum.@Nakeen:Honestly I don't feel strongly against any of them. If I had to vote:
You make observation, but who would you vote right now?
Are Roden, TolyK, or NJW good votes?
NJW > Roden = TolyK
NJW [Okay maybe vote?]: they are on TolyK but maybe no? I don't get why they are though, it just felt so sudden. Okay the more I think about it, the more it seems suspicious. Then again I would wait to see what else they have to say about TolyK.
Roden [huh? vote]: they suggested I was town in a wishy-washy way, which could be a way to curry favor with me? They had some bizarre banter with Maximum Spin too, and overall they just register as bizarre.
TolyK [meh vote]: shrug. They were fishing for mechanics, and felt as lost as I was. People seemed to suddenly get on them, but I just can't see why.
Does that make sense?
Also @ToonyMan while I'm at it I have an inquiry too, and sorry if I missed something.
Re-reading your posts I don't get why you are thinking TolyK could be scum and it doesn't seem like you gave a reason.
If I COULD vote you, I probably would. Be a good townie and VOTE.
Obligatory post. Still haven't read, was doing HW down to the line at midnight.Glad to hear it. Yeah, I can sympathize with not wanting to let forum games ruin your employment/school prospects.
Thank you for waiting and for giving me a chance to catch up on school. I have time to post tomorrow and thereafter.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 15, 2022, 07:34:49 am
Idk, with what we have now, no lynch does seem like a good option, but we do still have another day to find a lynch before we really need to start looking into that as an option.
Juicebox seems townie for this
Post by: NJW2000 on October 15, 2022, 09:03:35 am
Spoiler: replies to Max, EuchreJack, Juicebox, NQT, Nakeen (click to show/hide)
In other news, TolyK hasn't responded. Not really sure how to respond to that, but my pressure votes are now definitely "I'd be pretty ok with seeing this person eliminated" votes.
Brief reads, as it's a large game and some players are barely here.
Town:
Tric - this feels like town!Tric. Some town equity from roleclaim.
Knightwing - They've been giving their thoughts on the game, offering input, etc, all of which signals town!Knightwing. It's a very low bar, but right now they're over it.
Roden - this is more aggressive, less structured and more fragmented than the typical Roden scum D1s. From what I've seen of his thought processes, I think he is genuinely frustrated. His fake-anger usually involves more textwalls. The play hasn't been particularly helpful, but I think it's town nonetheless.
Lean Town:
NQT - very active, engaging... Scum!NQT seldom this willing to directly and firmly contradict people. This may be a meta-read, but they're a pretty good mafia player, so it's about what I can go on for now.
Jim - need to see more from them but thus far helpful with reasonable insights, and not powerwolfing. Yes, I have too many meta-reads, but they're easy and reading games this big is tiring.
Null:
MaximumSpin - I can't read them.
Vector - I'm going to wait until they start playing.
Web - I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, they were a little erratic with the Tric defence, and they generally have a pretty firm D1 elim choice whereas today they seem to be setting up a situation where they're not held responsible for the elim or avoid it altogether. Suspect. On the other hand, they seem to be avoiding unnecessary arguments, which is a good sign as scum!web usually comes out on top of these.
Juicebox - some bad questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418144#msg8418144) that could basically be "post reads pls", kinda worrying. The rest of their play has been pretty helpful though. Not sure.
Lean Scum:
Nakeen - they may be new, but their main focus doesn't seem to be on the thread... I get "reading something else" vibes - scumchat? FG&RP/RTD people are good at trawling threads. Also, a lot of the reasoning in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418197#msg8418197) looks not just bad but forced. And it's the only time they really offer opinions on other players - little apparent interest in catching scum.
Toony - They don't give much away, but they're posting slightly below their usual standard. Seem to want to put my elim on the table, but can't give a real case for it. They usually have a positive lynch candidate D1. Also, a lot of fluff. More than Web.
Scum:
TolyK - because their entire play has been activelurking or absenteeism. I don't know their meta, but they don't seem thick or inexperienced, so playing this way doesn't really given me a choice.
Questions
Nakeen: Did you read any mafia games, or play any online ones outside bay12 before this?
Toony: are you genuinely floating me as an elim because you can't read me or Vector because they are yet to post? Why can't you do something better - like a POE at least?
EuchreJack: question is above, in spoiler, mouse hand tired. Sorry.
More to come at some point, but need to reread.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2022, 09:29:21 am
Ideally, you would provide that info before I answer your question, so we can gauge your response to my answer, if any.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 15, 2022, 09:36:09 am
I'm assuming your vote is meant to be a pressure-vote, so I'm not going to ask for an explanation for it. Pressure-votes are generally accompanied by questions, but not doing that isn't out of character for you.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 09:42:59 am
To note, literally a Pokémon joke. Already put reasons why Roden's unlikely to be mafia. Then Max just votes them. Still looking for TolyK's promised post.By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?Quick TolK, use Disable!
@TolyK: Since you don't speak Tricanese, you probably didn't realize that Tric was taking you up on your offer. I barely understood it myself, so I don't blame you.
@Tric: Could you confirm that you'd like TolyK to remove your Kill Everything With Fire ability? Then maybe you don't need to vote TolyK?
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 09:57:23 am
Lean Scum:
Nakeen - they may be new, but their main focus doesn't seem to be on the thread... I get "reading something else" vibes - scumchat? FG&RP/RTD people are good at trawling threads. Also, a lot of the reasoning in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418197#msg8418197) looks not just bad but forced. And it's the only time they really offer opinions on other players - little apparent interest in catching scum.
I'll put out that it was surprising to see Nakeen in this board. My best guess is they were working on the next [url-http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=167669.0]You are a Monster[/url] update, along with RL stuff. Odd tangent, but eh, tired.
I'll probobly come back to this post, but leaning town on you.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 10:09:40 am
Guess it's a wall of info, stream of thought for now. At the moment I'm not a fan of TolyK lurking, conecenred about Toony/Web being so buddy buddy, and suspicions of max but not so much to vote them. Not entirely sure NQT is town.
query: NQT.exe/relations-chart
Juicebox is null/odd, Jack is... Probably Jack, his latest playstyle is very divorced from the old one.(This does include previous games lately.) Nakeen could be scum told to play up the illusion of noob, but more likely confused about who to vote or the various relations currently in play. (See NQT chart, hopefully.) Roden's claim is something I missed till NQT brought it up, and I don't see any reason for mafia to claim SK-miller. It's very out there, ad the chances of Roden being SK drop since he can likely be traced if we have a tracker.
One thing that gives web equity is revealing the status effects, though I'm fairly sure he might have another in reserve. That knowledge can either be used to avoid killing people, or to get rid of someone who we think is mafia during the night. I'm more in favor of the former since that means more time to track mafia, get night reports, and lynch scum.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:23:32 am
I don't think it's TolyK. I can't back this intuition up on a meta-level, or I'd be defending harder. I don't know TolyK's play style, and I don't think others do as well. I think TolyK is getting Tricwagoned.
But, we're running out of time, so let's sonsolidare to 2-4 wagons and at least pick the best ones. I'll post a vote count shortly.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 10:45:18 am
TolyK's made six posts, and none of them have a take. They said they'd try to break the game, but they haven't been doing that.:shrug:
TolyK has been being very, very quiet.
Good point, honestly - I guess I haven't been looking for tells, but rather more for information related to the game setup.Nope, do not need the ability name. However, the recipient would have to trust me, which they have the liberty not to.This sounds quite reasonable to me, at least as a whole.
Hmmmm, a player judgment in an opening post.
Good.By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?
Are you offering to remove it if only people would tell you the ability name?
So far, I haven't seen anything pointing to particularly negative abilities (posting restrictions don't count).
The idea is that I can voluntary-swap abilities, in a way, and then later remove the swapped abilities from the game if necessary.
Unfortunately, I can't do something like steal the mafiakill. :P
P.S. There was nothing I could tell that interacts with ability names, specifically.Quote from: Webadict...I don't remember if wuba is always this hyper, but - honestly - it's very good at distracting from the other posters.
I wonder what happens if I re-read while ignoring his posts...
On the good side, I feel we have a broader understanding of mechanics.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 10:47:47 am
I won't mind lynching scum today, but yours and my ideas of who's scum seem to contradict each other somewhat? Are you leading people somewhere?
Post by: Mamobo on October 15, 2022, 11:13:45 am
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-> TolyK --5-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417902#msg8417902), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
Roden --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418020#msg8418020), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418084#msg8418084),
EuchreJack --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417853#msg8417853),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217),
Jim Groovester --0--
juicebox --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831), Knightwing64, Nakéen, TolyK, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (14 hours and 46 minutes remaining.)
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:15:30 am
I really do not want to have to go into day 2 with someone who's activelurking that hard. They're just going to focus on the mechanics day 2 and completely try and ignore their day 1 play, but at that point it's tainted.That's some real kettle-on-pot action coming from you, man.
I won't mind lynching scum today, but yours and my ideas of who's scum seem to contradict each other somewhat? Are you leading people somewhere?
Technically, I am trying to lead people onto Roden or NJW2000, though I haven't really pushed that hard because I'm kinda lazy and busy and because I technically think that TolyK has the potential to activelurk. I'm not 100% against voting out TolyK, but I do think that TolyK is probably Town. Is he being anti-Town? Sure. No denying that. But, I don't exactly fault people for that because that doesn't make them scum or else we'd still have to vote out Knightwing64 and Vector here. It feels like we're domino-laying by doing this.
Am I willing to vote out TolyK? Sure. I'm only like 60% sure he's Town. But, there are people that I am much more sure are scum, and thus I'd rather exhaust those options first. To me, voting TolyK is the equivalent of No Elim, but without being willing to say that you don't really have any idea who scum is or that you're really just going after low-hanging fruit. I proposed Vector for the same reason.
TolyK hasn't done anything, but that matches what he was saying in his joining post.
But, I'm willing to make a deal: I will vote TolyK here over others, but I would like to eliminate--or at least be proven wrong on--one of Roden or NJW2000 Tomorrow if TolyK is Town. I understand the reason for going after TolyK, but I disagree that it has found scum.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:21:45 am
Vote Count... God damn it.
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Nakéen --0--
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2022, 11:46:34 am
I did forget. My gut says probably town, but my brain that you're doing an unusual amount of just summarising the thread, people's metas, past games, etc. Also, I do need to see some explanation for your judgements.
I'm assuming your vote is meant to be a pressure-vote, so I'm not going to ask for an explanation for it. Pressure-votes are generally accompanied by questions, but not doing that isn't out of character for you.
Jim & NJW2000 seem the most suspicious out of those voters, although NQT's computer mig be hacking my system.Uh huh. Why? You've given a lot of information in the thread, but no analysis. I know you're generally helpful with votecounts and summaries, but you gotta show your reasoning too.
Fair enough.
So upon my review of TolyK, they don't seem to be obvious scum. They're hardly the most lurky, and they seemed to contribute something.
For example, we know that TolyK can remove negative abilities. In a role madness game, that sounds useful!
But apparently not, since nobody has taken TolyK up on the offer. Nor have folks really inquired much of it. It appears to have more than one use.
Yet they're being voted.
Now, until Web posted the votecount, I wasn't aware of just how little time we had, so that does prove a problem. But has TolyK's behavior fallen so much shorter than literally everyone else that they should get voted for working on Saturday?
So, upon that analysis, the question becomes "who is pushing this wagon?"
Tric sort of started it, jumped off, then jumped on. Tric doesn't seem to be pushing it, and might not even be committed to it.
@Tric: You committed to the TolyK wagon, or are you just committed to ANY wagon? Any other wagons looks like fun?
NQT is mostly justified in their vote. NQT asked TolyK a question that wasn't answered, so Standard Pressure Voting tactics is to continue that vote until the question is answered. In NQT's shoes, I'd be doing the same thing as town.
@NQT: Should TolyK appear, who are you going to vote?
Jim Groovester is suspicious because I just don't buy his logic. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058)
He has a nice list of multiple people he's accusing of "not being active enough", yet TolyK at 4 votes is magically the most egregious. ::)
@Jim: Anyone else worth your precious time to vote?
.
And you, NJW2000. You have two votes. With great power comes great responsibility. So I'm not buying your argument of "pressure voting" with 2 votes, when others are pressure voting with one vote. You have the subtlety of a witchfinder. To put it another way: You have two fucking votes. You could be doing a lot more than just sheeping other players.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 11:50:23 am
So yeah, this is very much pressure on them.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:09:13 pm
Toony: are you genuinely floating me as an elim because you can't read me or Vector because they are yet to post? Why can't you do something better - like a POE at least?It's already a PoE. I don't really like PoE votes because they have no actual good reason for voting that player. If you look at the end of D1 of Web's Supernatural I voted Tric over Hector or Max because I felt Max was town and had more reasons why I thought Tric was scummy over Hector. That was wrong, but that's how I want to vote people.
I don't have any strong reasons to suspect you, or Roden, or Vector, or TolyK right now. So this means either none of you have shown me a reason I would really want to vote you, or I'm getting played by someone outside this group.
Also @ToonyMan while I'm at it I have an inquiry too, and sorry if I missed something.I find TolyK mildly suspicious, however they've announced their lack of being here and I find that honest like Lenglon or Max in Web's Supernatural. This is not a great example because both those players were third-party, however they were not mafia. Then again third-parties in this game seem more likely to be bad for town. I would still prefer voting mafia and not just non-town players.
Re-reading your posts I don't get why you are thinking TolyK could be scum and it doesn't seem like you gave a reason.
If I agree with a town!NJW then TolyK may be a decent vote. I would say TolyK has a reasonable chance to be non-town.
Right now I'm probably going to vote NJW (or Vector?) at day end. This feels rude because it's partly not wanting to vote other players and not because I've caught NJW in some scumread which is a discredit to their play. I'm still willing to vote Vector because they have not helped town at all although this will backfire horribly if they're town as they're likely to help significantly in the late game.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 12:11:20 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 12:14:45 pm
Vector's also annouced they haven't had free time though. Voting vector is no worse or better than voting TolyK by that reasoning, except for the fact your own post says it's not fine for one when it's fine for the other for the exact same reasons.TolyK has actively shown anti-town behavior and I don't know their meta. Vector has passively shown anti-town behavior which is completely null for their meta. I feel like these are different reasons.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 12:17:50 pm
How far away is the deadline? It isn't during the middle of the night like some goofball game, right?
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 12:19:23 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 12:20:51 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 12:22:02 pm
NJW2000 has the worst takes because he is scum. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418292#msg8418292)You need to stop taking your opinions directly out of my brain this game.
Post by: Nakéen on October 15, 2022, 01:03:33 pm
Nakeen: Did you read any mafia games, or play any online ones outside bay12 before this?
I have read a few mafia games on B12, but it was back back when the subforum was more active (pre-2021). Never participated in a B12 mafia either, I played a few mafias on discord, and that's it.
Also a question to you as others. Who is scummiest, Roden, NJW, or Webadict?
Well, none of them feel scummy at all to me? Especially after NJW's latest posts, which have convinced me into jumping on the TolyK bandwagon. That is unless they manifest soon, that could change my vote.
On another note I'm still really disappointed with Vector's passiveness giving them protection from suspicion, but it seems I will just have to swallow it and move on.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 01:08:12 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 01:09:33 pm
Unvotes. Willing to give them a while yet.Dude, stop unvoting with bold instead of red.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 01:09:51 pm
Unvotes. Willing to give them a while yet.Tric. That's not gonna be counted if it isn't red.
If web and I were scum, say, we could hammer TolyK right now.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 01:12:23 pm
Visiting family right now so the attention I'll be able to devote the game is limited.Like 12 hours. And yes.
How far away is the deadline? It isn't during the middle of the night like some goofball game, right?
Wanna hammer TolyK?Unvotes. Willing to give them a while yet.Tric. That's not gonna be counted if it isn't red.
If web and I were scum, say, we could hammer TolyK right now.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 01:13:57 pm
Yeeeesss, but nooooo. I don't believe there isn't scum on this wagon so he's PROBABLY town. I GUESS.Wanna hammer TolyK?Unvotes. Willing to give them a while yet.Tric. That's not gonna be counted if it isn't red.
If web and I were scum, say, we could hammer TolyK right now.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 01:21:23 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 01:22:54 pm
Who's scum on the wagon max? UnvoteCould be any of them, honestly. My money's on NJW at least.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 01:50:29 pm
Yeah, I'm in agreement with this.Who's scum on the wagon max? UnvoteCould be any of them, honestly. My money's on NJW at least.
Also, I'm gonna do an active test of Mamobo, so we'll see how that goes.
Post by: Mamobo on October 15, 2022, 01:51:07 pm
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-> TolyK --5-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828), Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
Roden --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418020#msg8418020), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418084#msg8418084),
EuchreJack --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417853#msg8417853),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
NJW2000 --1-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217),
Jim Groovester --0--
juicebox --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831), Knightwing64, TolyK, TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418382#msg8418382), Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (12 hours and 9 minutes remaining.)
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 01:51:32 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 01:56:05 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 01:57:10 pm
Has TolyK showed up yet after promising nqt he'd offer reads?No.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 01:58:25 pm
This is all PFP by the way.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 15, 2022, 02:05:01 pm
But you are all dragons, in the end.
No grand consensus emerges, but the end of the first so-called Day soon approaches.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (1): ToonyMan
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Maximum Spin (1): Roden
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (1): EuchreJack
notquitethere (0):
Roden (2): Maximum Spin, webadict
TolyK (5): NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, Jim Groovester, Nakéen
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: juicebox, Knightwing64, TolyK, TricMagic, Vector
8 to hammer.
Day 1 will end in approximately 12 hours, at 2 AM Central time, Sunday the 16th, or upon hammer.
Nakéen cannot be executed on Day 1.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 02:06:13 pm
Keeping my vote on TolyK is what I would do if I were scum since it's expedient and also perfectly justified. I still might keep my vote on him since I'm not happy with the disappearing act.
I should look at this game from a computer and not a phone.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 02:08:27 pm
Also toony ignoring my question. Sure he's gone, but he didn't really log off till an hour or so afterward...
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 02:14:32 pm
Does lynching TolyK find scum though? Because it's very much the case that lazy fuckers will let themselves get lynched even though they're town because they're lazy fuckers and don't want to bother playing.Depends on what you mean by "finds scum". Do you mean it executes scum? I don't think so. Does it find people that are willing to go after AFK people? It suuuure does!
Keeping my vote on TolyK is what I would do if I were scum since it's expedient and also perfectly justified. I still might keep my vote on him since I'm not happy with the disappearing act.
I should look at this game from a computer and not a phone.
Nope. Not a peep since then.That's... how online status works.
Also toony ignoring my question. Sure he's gone, but he didn't really log off till an hour or so afterward...
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 02:21:29 pm
I mean, is Vector expecting there to be time on Sunday to play instead of the day ending in twelve hours?
Tune in next time, to Dragon
Depends on what you mean by "finds scum". Do you mean it executes scum? I don't think so. Does it find people that are willing to go after AFK people? It suuuure does!
Anything to go off of that TolyK isn't scum besides feeeeeeel?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 02:26:59 pm
Nope. Not a peep since then.I'm busy.
Also toony ignoring my question. Sure he's gone, but he didn't really log off till an hour or so afterward...
The fucking gall to say this me by the way.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 02:41:02 pm
Anything to go off of that TolyK isn't scum besides feeeeeeel?Do you think scum (apart from TolyK) is entirely contained in [me, web, Toony, Roden, EuchreJack, juicebox, Knightwing, TricMagic, Vector]? I don't, since from my perspective that basically reduces to [Roden, juicebox, Vector] along with Tolyk and I don't think scum would ALL be flying under the radar as much as those four are. That said, you could believe it if you suspect some of the people I don't, and I'd understand.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 02:43:28 pm
Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 02:45:53 pm
How about you don't ignore ME Tric while I'm away?Roden. Cause that SK claim makes no sense otherwise.Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 02:46:43 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 02:50:55 pm
I think you mean Knightwing.How about you don't ignore ME Tric while I'm away?Roden. Cause that SK claim makes no sense otherwise.Hey Tric, who's definitely town right now?
I agree that Knightwing is almost certainly not mafia, but it's possible he's just really an SK, right?
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 02:53:34 pm
And it's possible, but.. Eh, too hot to think. checks NQT's posts.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 02:55:31 pm
... Ah, I've apparently lost a thread somewhere. Nevermind then.You mean this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417555#msg8417555), right?
And it's possible, but.. Eh, too hot to think. checks NQT's posts.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 02:57:05 pm
As a question, why is Roden on the chopping block?
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 03:06:59 pm
Anything to go off of that TolyK isn't scum besides feeeeeeel?TolyK has an ability that can steal/neutralize other people's abilities. It appears he wishes to use this for others and claimed it in one of his only posts. Additionally, TolyK has stated that he is too busy prior to the game starting. This appears to be consistent throughout the Day.
Anyway, I've got my popcorn, I'm just here to enjoy. If we're all set on voting out TolyK, fine, whatever, but I'm going to say I told you so if I'm right, and nobody reeeeeally wants that.
Yeah, just NQT that brought it to full attention. Might need more sleep.I feel like he's acting like BeBYOR 3. Also, I think anyone that peddles the "webadict defended TricMagic too hard" conspiracy is automatically scummy.
As a question, why is Roden on the chopping block?
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 03:50:19 pm
ROBO-NQT-1000 has performed necessary maintenance according to its schedule (BST). Now printing Charts.
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Chart_001: Current Vote Web
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Chart_001 Analysis
IF TolyK is scum AND given that bussing at this stage is suboptimal, THEN other scum are likely to offer or join an alternative wagon OR standby waiting for an alternative wagon to join. IF TolyK later flips scum THEN attention should be given to players who form alternative wagons from hereon. Roden is currently Wagon #2, with Webadict the second on the wagon.
IF TolyK is not scum, then players who leave it very late to vote are most likely scum, as scum have an incentive not to make enemies and they also want to stay out of the way when town (or third-parties) are in the crosshairs. In this scenario, we might expect to find some scum within Vector, KnightWing, Juicebox, TolyK, and TricMagic, as they currently do not care to influence the lynch one way or the other.
TolyK expressed before the game that they were busy. It is possible they are too busy to play, but they have not said this. In fact they have promised easy to perform action and not delivered.
Theory: TolyK is a Jester and wants to be lynched. They submitted a Jester rolename so they wouldn't have to play past the first day. They revealed a Disable role to encourage players to want them eliminated.
With this high possibility in mind, and in order to facilitate more results: Juicebox, this user is active and paying attention to the thread. Data suggests them likely to be town. There are ~10 hours remaining. A Juicebox{TOWN} would likely cast a vote.
Next Task... sentiment mapping.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 04:42:39 pm
Why be willing to vote vector over it? They haven't really promised anything, TolyK has. You shouldn't promise what you have no intentions to deliver.Voting TolyK or Vector feels pretty lazy to me either way. TolyK has seen hate from a lot of players, Vector has not. TolyK has made claims I feel are not things mafia would say.
Also a question to you as others. Who is scummiest, Roden, NJW, or Webadict?NJW. Let's follow Jack.
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 04:44:05 pm
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Outstanding tasks: Recent Bug Reports (low priority); Question response analysis (medium priority), Full Vote Web (high priority), EOD Wagonomics (D2 priority). Work will proceed according to cycles allowed and maintenance schedule. This unit does not support parallel processing.
NINJA_POST_PROTOCOL: Toony user confirms hypothesis RE: Chart002 and Chart003 regarding the likely forthcoming push on NJW2000.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 04:49:37 pm
I suspect webadict will agree.
I was going to say something about notQT's post, but decided not to.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 15, 2022, 04:54:34 pm
Why are we voting NQT?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 04:56:07 pm
Uh.We're not?
Why are we voting NQT?
If you meant NJW, well, I'm open to alternatives if you have a suggestion.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 15, 2022, 05:04:00 pm
I have already made it clear that I am open to this. NJW2000.
I suspect webadict will agree.
I was going to say something about notQT's post, but decided not to.
I'd be pretty cool with this, as an elim that unsubstantiated would blatantly out scum. Not so keen on TolyK's inactivity though, so going to keep my votes where they are.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 05:07:40 pm
Give me townreads for Webadict, Max, Knightwing, Jack, and Tric.
@NJW:
I'd be pretty cool with this, as an elim that unsubstantiated would blatantly out scum.Those being?
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 05:08:51 pm
- Juicebox has never made a non-RVS vote
- KnightWing has never made a vote despite participating
- Vector and TolyK have not made votes but this is congruent with their non-engagement
- ROBO-NQT-1000's prediction that there could be a push on NJW1000 was instantly proved correct
- ROBO-NQT-1000, TricMagic, ToonyMan, Roden, MaximumSpin have displayed an adequate range of serious targets.
- NJW1000, Jim, and Nakéen have had only one serious target.
Conclusion: Juicebox would be the most informative ejection out of the pool of bad players. KnightWing needs to act.
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NOTE: inferior formatting. Reason: low cycles, poor capacity of ChartMaker_v1.
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 05:14:16 pm
- Webadict has displayed an adequate range of serious targets.
- If NJW2000 is scum and a double-voter, this may say something regarding the scum's composition. Example: there could be a smaller team with conversion, and an early double-vote to compensate for low initial numbers.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:20:11 pm
I recommend someone inspect me this night (if I survive), see that I'm scum, then I can reveal a bit more the next day. I actually have to figure out who's town, though, for any of my abilities to make sense... So I will.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:22:35 pm
This is a night action, not a day action. I only had a setup action so far. So I can't take up on offer yet, even if it were explicitly mentioned.By the way, does anyone happen to have an ability they really really really don't like?Quick TolK, use Disable!
@TolyK: Since you don't speak Tricanese, you probably didn't realize that Tric was taking you up on your offer. I barely understood it myself, so I don't blame you.
@Tric: Could you confirm that you'd like TolyK to remove your Kill Everything With Fire ability? Then maybe you don't need to vote TolyK?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 05:22:52 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 05:23:52 pm
I recommend someone inspect me this night (if I survive), see that I'm scum,
:|
I'm going to assume this means you're claiming miller and not that you inadvertently claimed your actual alignment.
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 05:24:00 pm
WARNING! CHART ERROR in CHART_004. NEW VERSION:
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Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 05:24:59 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:29:34 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 05:30:22 pm
Why is NJW2000 offensive? He seems fine on my read through.
TolyK has an ability that can steal/neutralize other people's abilities. It appears he wishes to use this for others and claimed it in one of his only posts. Additionally, TolyK has stated that he is too busy prior to the game starting. This appears to be consistent throughout the Day.
The role stuff I'm not convinced by since there's going to be all sorts of role nonsense in this game.
If TolyK declared inactivity before the game started then I suppose I should respect that if I extend Vector the same respect. Although I'd prefer it assholes would play instead of sign up for games and then not bother.
Anything to go off of that TolyK isn't scum besides feeeeeeel?Do you think scum (apart from TolyK) is entirely contained in [me, web, Toony, Roden, EuchreJack, juicebox, Knightwing, TricMagic, Vector]? I don't, since from my perspective that basically reduces to [Roden, juicebox, Vector] along with Tolyk and I don't think scum would ALL be flying under the radar as much as those four are. That said, you could believe it if you suspect some of the people I don't, and I'd understand.
Hmmmm. I don't feel like the votes on him are busses or other team on team action. I did the exercise of which two could plausibly be a TolyK scumbuddy and came to the same grouping you did.
I guess I could see any two of Roden, juicebox, and Vector being scum but it doesn't feel like it's that simple.
Unvote. I should hop on an actual desktop before day end.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 05:32:04 pm
so I'll note that some players are, in fact, dragons,
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 05:33:21 pm
Am not third party, am town, and very lynchable. I don't quite understand whether I'll be lynched or not at this point (drunk but still reading the thread, ha), so I'll note that some players are, in fact, dragons, while some are not. Dragons probably care about being the only dragon in the game. I'll try to reread and post before day end anyways, but I'll get that out there anyways. Public information and all that.How does that work when we submit our own roles? Tric claims their role is literally just Dragon, but what are the chances other players sent in a dragon role?
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 15, 2022, 05:33:55 pm
so I'll note that some players are, in fact, dragons,
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
Heh
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 05:36:00 pm
I really dislike webadict jumping on any bandwagon just because. There was also someone else, but I'll have to actually read it again.lol, okay, now I wouldn't feel bad if TolyK got voted.
I recommend someone inspect me this night (if I survive), see that I'm scum, then I can reveal a bit more the next day. I actually have to figure out who's town, though, for any of my abilities to make sense... So I will.
Also, bandwagoning again, stop me, nerd.
NJW2000!
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 05:37:48 pm
If they're town and wrong, then I think at least one of my townreads is incorrect.
If they're mafia and wrong then we got'em.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:40:00 pm
Oh yeah, I'm currently a Miller as a fake devil, but I can change that if needed (but I can't do the hrlpful role modifying thing).
PPE: lol. It's different kinds of dragon roles. Eevee has a Dragon evolution (or is supposed to get one soon, idk). I know about a dragon role who cares about being the only dragon left, without it actually being a thing. And it just makes the other ability stronger.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:41:02 pm
Am not third party, am town, and very lynchable. I don't quite understand whether I'll be lynched or not at this point (drunk but still reading the thread, ha), so I'll note that some players are, in fact, dragons, while some are not. Dragons probably care about being the only dragon in the game. I'll try to reread and post before day end anyways, but I'll get that out there anyways. Public information and all that.How does that work when we submit our own roles? Tric claims their role is literally just Dragon, but what are the chances other players sent in a dragon role?
Not sure they're telling the truth. I didn't su it anything like dragon, but there is a dragon sub theme that was added.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:41:55 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 05:43:18 pm
PPE: lol. It's different kinds of dragon roles. Eevee has a Dragon evolution (or is supposed to get one soon, idk). I know about a dragon role who cares about being the only dragon left, without it actually being a thing. And it just makes the other ability stronger.Is this part of why you suspect Web?
There's a good chance Tric is lying about their role name if you're telling the truth TolyK.Not sure they're telling the truth. I didn't su it anything like dragon, but there is a dragon sub theme that was added.Am not third party, am town, and very lynchable. I don't quite understand whether I'll be lynched or not at this point (drunk but still reading the thread, ha), so I'll note that some players are, in fact, dragons, while some are not. Dragons probably care about being the only dragon in the game. I'll try to reread and post before day end anyways, but I'll get that out there anyways. Public information and all that.How does that work when we submit our own roles? Tric claims their role is literally just Dragon, but what are the chances other players sent in a dragon role?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 05:44:52 pm
Wow, I... actually convinced you? Making rational arguments works?! I feel like I'm on a roll this game.Anything to go off of that TolyK isn't scum besides feeeeeeel?Do you think scum (apart from TolyK) is entirely contained in [me, web, Toony, Roden, EuchreJack, juicebox, Knightwing, TricMagic, Vector]? I don't, since from my perspective that basically reduces to [Roden, juicebox, Vector] along with Tolyk and I don't think scum would ALL be flying under the radar as much as those four are. That said, you could believe it if you suspect some of the people I don't, and I'd understand.
Hmmmm. I don't feel like the votes on him are busses or other team on team action. I did the exercise of which two could plausibly be a TolyK scumbuddy and came to the same grouping you did.
I guess I could see any two of Roden, juicebox, and Vector being scum but it doesn't feel like it's that simple.
Unvote. I should hop on an actual desktop before day end.
Am not third party, am town, and very lynchable. I don't quite understand whether I'll be lynched or not at this point (drunk but still reading the thread, ha), so I'll note that some players are, in fact, dragons, while some are not. Dragons probably care about being the only dragon in the game.
How does that work when we submit our own roles? Tric claims their role is literally just Dragon, but what are the chances other players sent in a dragon role?ToonyMan, are you baiting again?
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 05:49:14 pm
Question batch...006.
Juicebox - [DEMAND] Vote.
KnightWing - [DEMAND] Vote.
Roden - Do you intend to join one of the main wagons today?
TolyK - [IMPORTANT][ROLE FISHING] Do you have any kill powers? IF not, THEN this unit can whitelist you.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 05:50:13 pm
I've technically caught up on reading everything but still probably not going to be able to do a big post for a while (not that anybody read them anyway since lots of people forgot to answer questions I had for them). Typing this out on my phone was such an unbelievable pain in the ass.The biggest thing to me is an adamant take on TolyK being scum, but I'd also state that he was a main proponent of claiming that I was overdefensive of TricMagic. He also had a terrible readslist that included ToonyMan without really engaging him.
Why is NJW2000 offensive? He seems fine on my read through.
Overall I am wary of wuba, because too many cards on the table from the front and those who have agreed with him - could be an agreed semi-lie. I mostly trust Jim for some reason (kinda uninterested?), like NQT bot speak but that's just personal bias.Um... Eevee doesn't have a Dragon evolution, nor is it getting one any evolutions in the new game.
Oh yeah, I'm currently a Miller as a fake devil, but I can change that if needed (but I can't do the hrlpful role modifying thing).
PPE: lol. It's different kinds of dragon roles. Eevee has a Dragon evolution (or is supposed to get one soon, idk). I know about a dragon role who cares about being the only dragon left, without it actually being a thing. And it just makes the other ability stronger.
I'm not sure what of mine is a semi-lie, but if you'd like to explain, I'm willing to dispute that.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 05:50:26 pm
I don't think I've paid too much attention to much else, which is why I wanted to reread. Hopefully I'll get to before day end.
PPE: No kill powers at all. Unless someone gives me some, lol.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 05:50:34 pm
ToonyMan, are you baiting again?TolyK has revealed information that could be critically important so I want to test their logic with my own reasoning. This reasoning is that other players sending roles that are dragon-themed is unlikely, therefore this puts into question whether TolyK is just making stuff up to stay alive. Their response leads me to believe they are not making stuff up and are being honest.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 05:51:12 pm
And yeah, can confirm that info.
... You really should have led with that. Claiming miller this late is just bad.
Very annoyed with you right now TolyK. As a Dragon, Fal's given me restrictions on what I can do. I can develop new abilities as time goes on, and if all the other dragons die, I can pick a Breaker for Lylo. I decided to start the day by picking a cop ability. I've also got roleblock, doctor, and bulletproof. Doctor's the only one that actually cures status effects, including on fire. (It can also heal myself if they're On Fire at the time.)
Ninjas.
NINJAS.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 05:52:43 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 05:54:52 pm
PPE: No kill powers at all. Unless someone gives me some, lol.Actually, I want to add: does anyone want to claim having one?
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 05:56:40 pm
Asking for a friend.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 05:57:23 pm
Does Reflecting a kill count as a kill Action?Not for my purposes.
Asking for a friend.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 05:59:41 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 06:02:34 pm
TolyK, you really should have led with that early.Yeah, sorry. Was not sure how important Dragon info was (easy to check for liars, for example). Miller was a status i can get rid of, and willingly took as a drawback for current abilities (pregame action and restriction). I can layer change it, which I was planning. Anyways, was not expecting to be a point of contention D1, but apparently it got to that. Not sure what happens if I die, so just giving out info just in case. Probably not too useful to Mafia as of yet,so probably safe even if I survive.
And yeah, can confirm that info.
... You really should have led with that. Claiming miller this late is just bad.
Very annoyed with you right now TolyK. As a Dragon, Fal's given me restrictions on what I can do. I can develop new abilities as time goes on, and if all the other dragons die, I can pick a Breaker for Lylo. I decided to start the day by picking a cop ability. I've also got roleblock, doctor, and bulletproof. Doctor's the only one that actually cures status effects, including on fire. (It can also heal myself if they're On Fire at the time.)
Ninjas.
NINJAS.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 06:03:48 pm
Okay, so I guess ToonyMan probably just spilled 3p or didn't read his role. Or at least didn't read the first four words of the first post. Or any of the other flavour.I've already made clear I know the OP since I talked about it before in the thread, but you missed that.
No, nowhere in my role flavor does it say I'm a dragon and I'm town so your theory is shot. I may be a dragon to fit in with the thread flavor and OP, but I can confirm it's not explicitly stated in every role since it's not in mine.
On a reread one of my role abilities has the word "Tiamat" in it, but it's a phrase that is basically replacing the word "Oh my God" with "Oh my Tiamat". I made no note of it since I didn't care and I usually think of Tiamat as a goddess and not a dragon.
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 06:06:23 pm
Chart_005: Current Votes
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Chart_005 Analysis
- ToonyMan went from voting EuchreJack to explicitly sheeping his vote.
- NJW2000 is the primary ejection candidate.
- Six players are not currently voting.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 06:09:37 pm
Webaict, can we get a Mamabo?
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 06:14:54 pm
Im guessing one of the scum is one of the Dragons, unless all town are dragons and scum aren't.
For the record I'm not a dragon at the moment, but I have some info about dragon roles in general.
OK, thinking a bit more, Wuba either really bad or really good. Not willing to vote, but extra scrutiny.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 15, 2022, 06:15:54 pm
@NQT:People on the elim voting me for terrible reasons. Especially those that should know better. e.g.
Give me townreads for Webadict, Max, Knightwing, Jack, and Tric.
@NJW:I'd be pretty cool with this, as an elim that unsubstantiated would blatantly out scum.Those being?
Not adamantI've technically caught up on reading everything but still probably not going to be able to do a big post for a while (not that anybody read them anyway since lots of people forgot to answer questions I had for them). Typing this out on my phone was such an unbelievable pain in the ass.The biggest thing to me is an adamant take on TolyK being scum, but I'd also state that he was a main proponent of claiming that I was overdefensive of TricMagic. He also had a terrible readslist that included ToonyMan without really engaging him.
Why is NJW2000 offensive? He seems fine on my read through.
You were
This is meaningless and unsubstantiated
Post by: notquitethere on October 15, 2022, 06:16:59 pm
EVERYONE: [DEMAND] initialise SHEEP mode and follow this unit onto Juicebox.
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Goodnight, world.
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 06:23:30 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 06:27:23 pm
Post by: Mamobo on October 15, 2022, 06:36:46 pm
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-> NJW2000 --4-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418442#msg8418442), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418445#msg8418445), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418475#msg8418475),
TolyK --3-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695),
juicebox --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418509#msg8418509),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
EuchreJack --0--
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
Roden --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418469#msg8418469), juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831), Knightwing64, TolyK, Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (7 hours and 23 minutes remaining.)
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 06:49:40 pm
I'll vote Juicebox if NJW admits he's likely wrong about TolyK.I'm willing to sheep Toony and NQT.
Back up your case with something other than TolyK is lurking.Not adamantI've technically caught up on reading everything but still probably not going to be able to do a big post for a while (not that anybody read them anyway since lots of people forgot to answer questions I had for them). Typing this out on my phone was such an unbelievable pain in the ass.The biggest thing to me is an adamant take on TolyK being scum, but I'd also state that he was a main proponent of claiming that I was overdefensive of TricMagic. He also had a terrible readslist that included ToonyMan without really engaging him.
Why is NJW2000 offensive? He seems fine on my read through.
You were
This is meaningless and unsubstantiated
Back up your case with the two posts I posted.
Here are the posts in question that are used, if you would like reference:
Nah, it ain't TricMagic, we're not doing the vote out TricMagic thing people do when they're lazy.
Is this it? Do you have a reason to believe that this doesn't match my meta elsewhere? It feels like you want to attack me for it, but you put me at null, even though you think I'm over-defensive. I'm not sure I see it, but I'm willing to say that you were investigating that premise, but you haven't really turned it into anything, and YET YOU CONTINUE TO USE IT. I, frankly, don't think you want to further your cases, but that's my personal take, and I can't prove it. I do think you have a massive problem with mindsetting yourself to others, and if you think you don't, then you're purposefully misrepresenting them.Webadict: why didn't you want NQT to pressure Tric?I assume this is a real question and not you simply wasting time with obvious nonsense because, well... It's obvious.
I think TricMagic is Town. I think pressuring TricMagic is pointless because it will create a scum-adjacent response where people focus on TricMagic, spiraling into a wasted Day. You literally said you wanted there to be less waste, and I'm doing it for you right now.
You wanna go after TricMagic? Go after me.@Web: What about the possibility that Tric is Mafia claiming Vigilante?Less than 1%.
How about this: What's your reasoning on ToonyMan?
Post by: TricMagic on October 15, 2022, 07:41:01 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 07:47:16 pm
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Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 08:03:05 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 08:03:48 pm
Like, Toony has basically made three or four (honestly not gonna go through all posts on phone, lol) different claims and they all seem reasonable to me, in light of public info and a bit i haven't shown publicly. I don't think that people have access to so much information generally to fake reasonably on mechanics. Or maybe FBYOR has quite stable mechanics, which I missed. But if not, I think it's likely Toony has spit balled a few ideas that seem reasonable, partially taking from actual roles (his or teammates) and seen what sticks. I do understand it's a bit hypocritical to say "knows too much reasonable assumptions", but I haven't changed my story while Toony has. And Webadict has, but I take that more like trolling... And hard to read.Items do exist, but I don't have one. (Nor do I exist...)Okay, you got me.
I am The Forceful Sentry.
Thrice per game during the day I can take an item from the public item pool right away.
At night I can target a player to learn of every item (if any) they have and select one to toss into the public item pool.
Twice per game at night I can target a player and steal a random item from them, unless I name a specific item which I will take instead.
As well as an additional night auto I won't claim.
...
Yep. That's me.
Day is ending soon, huh? I better hurry. :(
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 08:08:36 pm
I’m a miller, of some sort.Inclined to believe at least the investigation part, as I have a similar association, but honestly could be blind luck.
I’m town but when invested I identify as a serial killer because I put “with dubious morals” in my role name.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 08:11:48 pm
A fair warning:Also something I missed first time around. Could it also be that inspect results can change Max Spin?
EITHER Fallacy is giving out red-herring abilities again OR alignments can change in this game.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 15, 2022, 08:12:57 pm
I don't need to. If I have a blameless D1 and you vote me out on garbage, the evidence will be entirely inthread. All people need to do is work out which people voting me aren't usually morons, and voila, there is scum.
Back up your case with something other than TolyK is lurking.
Back up your case with the two posts I posted.
CBA to reread tolyK's stuff, the vote was on inactivity and activelurking and he's stopped. I have a life, and need to sleep.
in fact:
unvote unvote
I mean to take this shit all the way. If you and Toony are town and elim me, you get beaten by either idiots or lurkers.
Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 08:22:41 pm
TolyK's answers have been interesting, and they are adequate enough for me to not want to lynch them at them moment.
So right now it's between NQT, Roden, and NJW
NQT's recent behavior is peak town!NQT. Pressuring people to vote, and starting eod bandwagons are tactics I've seen them use as town, so I don't want to put my vote there right now
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 08:35:08 pm
We have, like, 6 hours left, and several of us are going to bed before Day end.
If you had to pick someone, who would it be? Just quick answers.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 08:42:20 pm
Honestly... I don't think it's TolyK, but I'm willing to bandwagon as if it were!OK so on my, it was NJW, NQT, Tric, Web,Jim, Nakeen, and some backed off midway. Basically because I was active lurking during beginning of the day (which, while I kinda explained ahead of time why, is true :P) and, well, it's easy to pile up behind that.
Nakeen can't be executed D1 but really just jumped on the almost hammer at that point. Can't remember anything else, honestly, besides Wuba's hunch of towniness.
Also Jim has items.
Thought roundup in next post.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 08:52:58 pm
I'm down with NJW2000 or Roden as my top picks. NJW2000 has a lot of reads that I fundamentally disagree with and the reasoning doesn't make sense from my understanding of his perspective. Roden... honestly, I'm not sure why I was so against Roden, but I felt they didn't progress anyone on their own, though that's maybe giving Roden too much credit. I think his play is reminiscent of BeBYOR3.
I'm less okay with juicebox, since his posts have made me think he's more likely Town, but he's scaring me by showing up only when I feel he's pressured. Not a fan.
I'd rather we didn't vote out TolyK, but he's got bad takes. Is this because he's quick reading the thread? Probably. His pressure is causing him to blurt out things he wasn't prepared to say. Odd. Feels Town even though he's kinda freaking out.
I think nqt is probs Town. I don't have good reasons, but his responses seem to be very lax, which is sort of his M.O.
Nakeen feels newbtown. I base that on nothing.
Max is hella Town. Roden voting him is another reason I think Roden is scum.
Toony is hella Town. Surprised he hasn't been confused as to why I think so, but maybe he's watching me. Spoooooooky.
EuchreJack is Town enough.
TricMagic is hella Town.
Vector is eh.
Knightwing is eh.
Jim is... maybe scum. I know that's a weird take, considering how many people think Jim is Town, but I feel like he's being a little less conspicuous than I'm used to, even when he's usually intermittent.
I can't believe there are so many people that think that Toony and I are suspicious that refuse to choose one of us, it makes me a little left out. I mean, it's definitely a spooky move to try that this close to the end of Day, but I could see it happening if the scum consist of enough free votes.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 08:54:32 pm
Like, Toony has basically made three or four (honestly not gonna go through all posts on phone, lol) different claims and they all seem reasonable to me, in light of public info and a bit i haven't shown publicly. I don't think that people have access to so much information generally to fake reasonably on mechanics. Or maybe FBYOR has quite stable mechanics, which I missed. But if not, I think it's likely Toony has spit balled a few ideas that seem reasonable, partially taking from actual roles (his or teammates) and seen what sticks. I do understand it's a bit hypocritical to say "knows too much reasonable assumptions", but I haven't changed my story while Toony has. And Webadict has, but I take that more like trolling... And hard to read.Maybe I'm just a wiseguy.
Seriously though, all of my claims relate to my actual role I swear.
I just want it to be difficult for mafia to know what I can even do while also making a future full-claim more believable if it comes up. Plus I think it's fun.
Also Jim has items.I'm tempted to take all of Jim's items because I can do that, but if he's town that would be extremely mean and debilitating for us.
I don't need to. If I have a blameless D1 and you vote me out on garbage, the evidence will be entirely inthread. All people need to do is work out which people voting me aren't usually morons, and voila, there is scum.Hmmm.
CBA to reread tolyK's stuff, the vote was on inactivity and activelurking and he's stopped. I have a life, and need to sleep.
in fact:
unvote unvote
I mean to take this shit all the way. If you and Toony are town and elim me, you get beaten by either idiots or lurkers.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 08:57:30 pm
Toony is hella Town. Surprised he hasn't been confused as to why I think so, but maybe he's watching me. Spoooooooky.That's one way to put it.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 08:59:49 pm
eon.
Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 09:00:39 pm
Now as for NJW, they've been pretty under the radar. They pushed wuba a little, over Tric again, they've prodded the inactives, and made a reads list.
I don't like the reason for several of their reads, for example, they say they can't read Max, who is doing a pretty decent job of acting like town, and I also dislike the fact that they said they scumread Toony, but haven't really followed up on that at all.
so I think that right now I'm more comfortable putting my vote on NJW2000
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:04:12 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 09:04:42 pm
Web, Tric basically said they were the same alignment. Web is doing odd things, apparently to not die D1/N1. Claimed a lot of info that does not seem to be contradicted, including first. Tric similarly. So far, I think they're same alignment and likely to be town ish.
NQT is a bot who has done analysis graphs and other things I enjoyed, but this last interaction with Juice seems like making a distacing alibi. I'd bite with Juicebox for now (who else will hop on? I dare you... I don't think they'll be eliminated but idk the cases against the rest lol. Ppe: well I'll keep vote for now. NQT would be alt vote).
Jim is just doing Jim things, just solid and can't really say much about alignment. Good that he's not buying most of these wagons. Isn't taking easy bait, so I guess slightly town lean?
Unless someone suggests otherwise I'll choose one of Tric, Webadict or Max to ask a philosophical question this night. Why those three? Most likely to accept, given my feeling they have multiple smaller abilities and/or dragon adjacent.
Ppe' : yeah, breadcrumb is an alt explanation for the behavior. Maybe Toony gets visited if vote goes a bit differently.
Post by: TolyK on October 15, 2022, 09:07:50 pm
I think it's interesting that NJW unvoted TolyK but didn't vote Juicebox or anybody.That actually makes less suspicious imo, in that their focus was on me, and after it ended up not going that way they have to reveal. That's the feeling I get, also late rvs retraction cuz late response from me.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 09:13:27 pm
I don't like the reason for several of their reads, for example, they say they can't read Max, who is doing a pretty decent job of acting like town,Toooo be fair, you have no confusing I can be sometimes.
Also something I missed first time around. Could it also be that inspect results can change Max Spin?Well, yeah.
That's baseline though. You know, framers, lawyers. Totally standard.
I dunno what to say about other things yet. Pretty tired. Will probably post again before the end.
Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 09:16:06 pm
I don't like the reason for several of their reads, for example, they say they can't read Max, who is doing a pretty decent job of acting like town,Toooo be fair, you have no confusing I can be sometimes.
True, but in this game in particular your behavior seems pretty townish.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 09:17:02 pm
Wow, I really just accidentally that "idea how", huh. I guess that proves my point about being tired afterward.I don't like the reason for several of their reads, for example, they say they can't read Max, who is doing a pretty decent job of acting like town,Toooo be fair, you have no confusing I can be sometimes.
True, but in this game in particular your behavior seems pretty townish.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 15, 2022, 09:28:37 pm
Tricmagic
Are dragons like a third party, or what?
Post by: Mamobo on October 15, 2022, 09:30:11 pm
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-> NJW2000 --6-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418442#msg8418442), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418445#msg8418445), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418475#msg8418475), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523), juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548),
juicebox --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TolyK --1-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
EuchreJack --0--
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
Roden --0--
ToonyMan --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --3-- Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418469#msg8418469), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (4 hours and 29 minutes remaining.)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:32:09 pm
That is the conclusion I've come to.I think it's interesting that NJW unvoted TolyK but didn't vote Juicebox or anybody.That actually makes less suspicious imo, in that their focus was on me, and after it ended up not going that way they have to reveal. That's the feeling I get, also late rvs retraction cuz late response from me.
I feel like mafia!NJW would have jumped onto someone instead of holding their vote. Do they not want to vote Juicebox without a good reason to?
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 09:32:31 pm
Meh. I’m Sussing Web, buttttt(http://pa1.narvii.com/5745/847aa60d4d6270a97ff2c1c39da496bee4741984_00.gif)
Tricmagic
Are dragons like a third party, or what?
WAY TO MAKE YOUR VOTE USELESS!
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 09:34:23 pm
It's also possible that NJW could last minute vote someone if there were a chance.That is the conclusion I've come to.I think it's interesting that NJW unvoted TolyK but didn't vote Juicebox or anybody.That actually makes less suspicious imo, in that their focus was on me, and after it ended up not going that way they have to reveal. That's the feeling I get, also late rvs retraction cuz late response from me.
I feel like mafia!NJW would have jumped onto someone instead of holding their vote. Do they not want to vote Juicebox without a good reason to?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:37:46 pm
There's no way. I've played with NJW a lot at this point so I know his general play schedule.It's also possible that NJW could last minute vote someone if there were a chance.That is the conclusion I've come to.I think it's interesting that NJW unvoted TolyK but didn't vote Juicebox or anybody.That actually makes less suspicious imo, in that their focus was on me, and after it ended up not going that way they have to reveal. That's the feeling I get, also late rvs retraction cuz late response from me.
I feel like mafia!NJW would have jumped onto someone instead of holding their vote. Do they not want to vote Juicebox without a good reason to?
1. He's British
2. He's gotten off for the day after unvoting TolyK, he must know the day will end before he gets back on
3. He has two votes so he could easily have stuck them on someone before going to bed which would raise his chances of living a lot
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:41:42 pm
Meh. I’m Sussing Web, butttttYou'll look really smart if Web and Tric are
Tricmagic
Are dragons like a third party, or what?
Unvote
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 09:46:47 pm
There's no way. I've played with NJW a lot at this point so I know his general play schedule.So, then does he think TolyK is Mafia or not?
1. He's British
2. He's gotten off for the day after unvoting TolyK, he must know the day will end before he gets back on
3. He has two votes so he could easily have stuck them on someone before going to bed which would raise his chances of living a lot
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 09:48:36 pm
I'm not a dragon, and if I am, NJW2000 literally would be as well, as he claimed On Fire and Soaked as well!Meh. I’m Sussing Web, butttttYou'll look really smart if Web and Tric are
Tricmagic
Are dragons like a third party, or what?dragonsmafia.
Unvote
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:49:19 pm
How does that make you feel~~
So right now it's between NQT, Roden, and NJWWhy did you say this about NQT after he had posted to start a bandwagon on you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418508#msg8418508)? Did you not care about your own well-being over reading NQT as peak town?
NQT's recent behavior is peak town!NQT. Pressuring people to vote, and starting eod bandwagons are tactics I've seen them use as town, so I don't want to put my vote there right now
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:54:02 pm
So, then does he think TolyK is Mafia or not?I don't know, it looks like he gave up pursuing TolyK:
I don't need to. If I have a blameless D1 and you vote me out on garbage, the evidence will be entirely inthread. All people need to do is work out which people voting me aren't usually morons, and voila, there is scum.NJW looks pretty angry to me here, like a vindictive town that has went "hmpf fuck you guys" as he storms out of the room.
CBA to reread tolyK's stuff, the vote was on inactivity and activelurking and he's stopped. I have a life, and need to sleep.
in fact:
unvote unvote
I mean to take this shit all the way. If you and Toony are town and elim me, you get beaten by either idiots or lurkers.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 09:58:56 pm
I'm not a dragon, and if I am, NJW2000 literally would be as well, as he claimed On Fire and Soaked as well!I don't understand what you're saying here.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:05:05 pm
Now as for NJW, they've been pretty under the radar. They pushed wuba a little, over Tric again, they've prodded the inactives, and made a reads list.I think Vector and Nakeen have been more under the radar than NJW. NJW is literally going to die today if nothing happens. Nakeen can't even die today and Vector won't show up until Day 3.
Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 10:05:55 pm
I'm gonna vote you Juicebox~~
How does that make you feel~~
Not particularly happy, I'm town, so I don't want a bandwagon on me.
So right now it's between NQT, Roden, and NJWWhy did you say this about NQT after he had posted to start a bandwagon on you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418508#msg8418508)? Did you not care about your own well-being over reading NQT as peak town?
NQT's recent behavior is peak town!NQT. Pressuring people to vote, and starting eod bandwagons are tactics I've seen them use as town, so I don't want to put my vote there right now
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As stated above I don't want a bandwagon on me, so I don't like the vote, however just because I don't like the vote doesn't mean I won't townread NQT for acting as town.
Post by: juicebox on October 15, 2022, 10:09:30 pm
Now as for NJW, they've been pretty under the radar. They pushed wuba a little, over Tric again, they've prodded the inactives, and made a reads list.I think Vector and Nakeen have been more under the radar than NJW. NJW is literally going to die today if nothing happens. Nakeen can't even die today and Vector won't show up until Day 3.
Vector at least has the excuse that they've been quite busy IRL, so I'm cutting them some slack for that. I would definitely like to hear more from Nakeen, but since they can't be lynched today, I can't really justify putting my vote on them this late.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:11:49 pm
It doesn't matter. The point was that On Fire and Soaked aren't (entirely) scum-related because one of my Actions is literally to set a bunch of people On Fire, and that's the entire thing, and that's why I know for a fact that TricMagic is Town. The dragon==Mafia thing doesn't make sense unless we're both Mafia, and if you TricMagic is scum, then hot damn, I can't decide if it'd be good or bad to be on his team because he's very much his Town self.I'm not a dragon, and if I am, NJW2000 literally would be as well, as he claimed On Fire and Soaked as well!I don't understand what you're saying here.
NJW looks pretty angry to me here, like a vindictive town that has went "hmpf fuck you guys" as he storms out of the room.I can agree with that, or at least I can say that's definitely an interpretation that doesn't seem improbable.
It sounds like you want to switch back to TolyK, but you're waffling a bit on that decision.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:13:25 pm
I kind of want to vote Tric with Knightwing because it would be funny.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:14:05 pm
Going to work on stuff.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:15:16 pm
No I never vote TolyK here.That's fucking hilarious, but also nooooooooooooo
I kind of want to vote Tric with Knightwing because it would be funny.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:15:32 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 10:18:12 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:19:14 pm
I'm voting Roden again! I'm too tired, I can't even think. If anyone makes a legit reason for juicebox, I'll join. If anyone makes any motion on Knightwing, I'll join. If anyone votes Tric, I'll be very upset.
PPE:
Jim Groovester, if you want out, I'm happy to help! :D :D :DJim Groovester
Fuck it, there we go!
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:19:38 pm
Post by: Mamobo on October 15, 2022, 10:20:16 pm
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-> NJW2000 --3-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523), juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548),
Jim Groovester --2-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418586#msg8418586), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418587#msg8418587),
juicebox --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TolyK --1-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
EuchreJack --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
Roden --0--
ToonyMan --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --4-- Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418469#msg8418469), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418569#msg8418569), Vector,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (3 hours and 39 minutes remaining.)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:20:40 pm
I don't know who to vote. :(
Juicebox hasn't played in awhile so I honestly would feel bad removing them so early.
Tric is probably going to help the mafia even if they're town.
NJW looks like pissed off town who left.
Roden is missing after I townread them.
Web is going to be killed by the mafia tonight so there's no reason to even think about it.
Jim is going to give me his stuff tonight.
Nakeen can't be voted but I would like to vote them more than Juicebox right now even though they're also new.
Jim Groovester, if you want out, I'm happy to help! :D :D :DNooo I want his stuff.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 15, 2022, 10:21:27 pm
Man that's pretty rude considering I'm reading through the past few pages I missed while I was spending time with family.
I will not be guilt tripped by you Jimmy boy
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 10:21:58 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:22:22 pm
Hot diggity it's installed.
Alright peace out losers.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jim Groovester, if you want out, I'm happy to help! :D :D :DNooo I want his stuff.
I actually don't have any items but the reason I know about them is because I have an ability that hands items out.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 10:25:20 pm
Man that's pretty rude considering I'm reading through the past few pages I missed while I was spending time with family.But you can just quit and play Noita? I don't know how this isn't a win-win. All right, if you get to be in the lead before you come back I'll unvote.
That's it.Well, I thought Knightwing was town before, but I kind of just reread him and now I'm not so sure. I guess I'm open to it? I'll feel bad if we wrongly vote him out first day again though.
I'm voting Roden again! I'm too tired, I can't even think. If anyone makes a legit reason for juicebox, I'll join. If anyone makes any motion on Knightwing, I'll join. If anyone votes Tric, I'll be very upset.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:25:35 pm
I actually don't have any items but the reason I know about them is because I have an ability that hands items out.(https://i.imgur.com/GcU548J.png)
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:26:37 pm
Web is going to be killed by the mafia tonight so there's no reason to even think about it.That is true, I do die Tonight or I get converted, but converting me is a fucking waste. It's better to convert, like, probably NJW2000 or notquitethere and then pretend like I got converted. It'd be hiiiiilarious, and I'd be ultra fucked.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm being weighed down by my emotional connections!Man that's pretty rude considering I'm reading through the past few pages I missed while I was spending time with family.But you can just quit and play Noita? I don't know how this isn't a win-win. All right, if you get to be in the lead before you come back I'll unvote.That's it.Well, I thought Knightwing was town before, but I kind of just reread him and now I'm not so sure. I guess I'm open to it? I'll feel bad if we wrongly vote him out first day again though.
I'm voting Roden again! I'm too tired, I can't even think. If anyone makes a legit reason for juicebox, I'll join. If anyone makes any motion on Knightwing, I'll join. If anyone votes Tric, I'll be very upset.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:26:40 pm
He will save the town.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:28:59 pm
We are not killing Jim.Can we vote out Knightwing?
He will save the town.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:30:44 pm
We are not killing Jim.
He will save the town.
I'm glad one of us has faith in my ability.
Or role, which I guess is good enough for me.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:30:54 pm
Can we vote out Knightwing?Knightwing claimed SK-miller. So they're town. Unless you think Knightwing thought up the idea to fake-claim miller which is not a thing that happens.
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 10:41:51 pm
Can we vote out Knightwing?Knightwing claimed SK-miller. So they're town. Unless you think Knightwing thought up the idea to fake-claim miller which is not a thing that happens.
This absolutely does happen, although I'm not sure it happens for Knightwing in particular.
I'm still rereading. I've basically gotten through the TolyK posts and Tric starting to head for death (as per usual D1). NJW and EJ are pinging me but not in any major way. Nakéen's vote given what I've read seems ... extremely lazy. Wow big contribution much town.
Really not seeing the NQT push, it seems to be coming out of nowhere? Were people just giving him a little shove for pressure?
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 10:51:09 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 10:52:11 pm
oh my fucking god why is Toony claiming like eight timeslololol
Prooooobably not for Knightwing, but he makes me mad, and it'd make me feela little betterCan we vote out Knightwing?Knightwing claimed SK-miller. So they're town. Unless you think Knightwing thought up the idea to fake-claim miller which is not a thing that happens.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:53:10 pm
Jim is... maybe scum. I know that's a weird take, considering how many people think Jim is Town, but I feel like he's being a little less conspicuous than I'm used to, even when he's usually intermittent.
We do this every game, webadict.
As for Roden, their vote is still on Max, but their case is poor, mainly stemming from a post Max made that they say was intended to get Roden to move their RVS vote. They've also interacted with wuba a bit, over their defense of Tric, but otherwise haven't interacted with much of anyone. As such it's hard to get a read on them.
Hmmm, I like this point about Roden.
Now as for NJW, they've been pretty under the radar. They pushed wuba a little, over Tric again, they've prodded the inactives, and made a reads list.
I don't like the reason for several of their reads, for example, they say they can't read Max, who is doing a pretty decent job of acting like town, and I also dislike the fact that they said they scumread Toony, but haven't really followed up on that at all.
so I think that right now I'm more comfortable putting my vote on NJW2000
I don't like most of these takes. Most pertinently I don't think NJW2000 has been trying to be under the radar.
A lot of people have criticized NJW2000 for his slightly scum read on ToonyMan but when I read it I can kind of see where he's coming from. There is, at least, an element of criticism towards ToonyMan that rings correctly for me.
I'm leaning towards voting juicebox but I'm going to go read the game a bit more before
But you know that Jim Groovester lynch, the part where Maximum Spin said I could play Noita and it would be win-win I have to admit does have a very appealing draw to it.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 15, 2022, 10:55:03 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 10:59:01 pm
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 11:01:00 pm
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game though.
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I will refrain from voting for now, it seems there is enough pressured players to have interesting inputs on involved parties.
All of this is sus. I want to see some serious work from Nakéen Tomorrow.
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 11:04:48 pm
Finally, I can post! Sorry for being late, oopsies :p^ Town.
@EuchreJack: well you know the saying. Early bird gets the know, latter birds fight for the worm, and latest bird snatches the worm! Or something.
@juicebox: The pleasure is mine! I adapt my playstyle to the amount time I have, and I'm here to have fun. And half the fun is to figure it out, right? Or so they say, I think.
@NJW2000: I am flattered that my presence was so inconspicuous I passed for a non-person. I wouldn't mind if you continued thinking so for the rest of the game though.
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I will refrain from voting for now, it seems there is enough pressured players to have interesting inputs on involved parties.
Webadict. Your habit of chainsawing new/unskilled players is a good cloud to hide an inexperienced scumbuddy under. It's NAI when it comes to Tric, but it's absolutely a tell when you use it to protect people who are being outright suspicious. I learned from the Supernatural before the ... Webbernatural? Superweb?, goddammit!
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:08:08 pm
I don't like an NJW2000 lynch.Fuck, man, this is the fucking Towniest reply he coulda done. Alright, Roden.Jim is... maybe scum. I know that's a weird take, considering how many people think Jim is Town, but I feel like he's being a little less conspicuous than I'm used to, even when he's usually intermittent.
We do this every game, webadict.
lol, got me twice.Code: [Select][abbr=Fuck you don't lynch me.][/abbr]
Webadict. Your habit of chainsawing new/unskilled players is a good cloud to hide an inexperienced scumbuddy under. It's NAI when it comes to Tric, but it's absolutely a tell when you use it to protect people who are being outright suspicious. I learned from the Supernatural before the ... Webbernatural? Superweb?, goddammit!Blah blah blah, I'll chainsaw defend whoever I want, if anything, the better way to point it out would be that it's unnecessary to comment on a player that can't be voted, see that's the better way to attack ya lemon.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 11:08:52 pm
I agree. I wish I could vote Nakeen today as it would be very telling about Web I feel.
I reread Juicebox's posts and they feel pretty good. I don't really want to vote them.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:13:35 pm
@Vector:Ya want me to kill him Tonight? I'll do it, I'm not a coward.
I agree. I wish I could vote Nakeen today as it would be very telling about Web I feel.
I reread Juicebox's posts and they feel pretty good. I don't really want to vote them.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:14:53 pm
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 11:16:53 pm
Ya want me to kill him Tonight? I'll do it, I'm not a coward.
Please and thanks :V
Don't worry, Webby. I know you're not a coward. Just scum.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 15, 2022, 11:17:39 pm
If you plan on reflecting the kill to Nakeen or something, then sure.@Vector:Ya want me to kill him Tonight? I'll do it, I'm not a coward.
I agree. I wish I could vote Nakeen today as it would be very telling about Web I feel.
I reread Juicebox's posts and they feel pretty good. I don't really want to vote them.
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 11:26:03 pm
TolyK's made six posts, and none of them have a take. They said they'd try to break the game, but they haven't been doing that.
TolyK has been being very, very quiet.
The apparent start of the TolyK wagon?
In my opinion, this isn't a great vote this early in the game at 14P, for a couple of reasons:
1. It completely ignores TolyK's repeated claim of post restrictions
2. It's about a pre-game commitment. Obviously we've seen a lot of nonsense so far in this game
3. This would be fine for effectively RVS, but we seem to be making our elim decision on the basis of ~6ish "boo I'm a ghost with a post restriction that wouldn't let me talk at all" type comments.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:28:19 pm
Man, if only, it'd be way easier to play that way. I know you just default to me being scum because you care :)Ya want me to kill him Tonight? I'll do it, I'm not a coward.
Please and thanks :V
Don't worry, Webby. I know you're not a coward. Just scum.
Well, that's not how that works, but also, no, that's not how the kill works either.If you plan on reflecting the kill to Nakeen or something, then sure.@Vector:Ya want me to kill him Tonight? I'll do it, I'm not a coward.
I agree. I wish I could vote Nakeen today as it would be very telling about Web I feel.
I reread Juicebox's posts and they feel pretty good. I don't really want to vote them.
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 11:37:55 pm
0. I've completely ignored Tric in my reads thus far because I misread him so badly last Game. I have confidence in my ability to figure him out later with some interactions, but for now the Number One Tric Scumtell (or at least my ability to detect it) is defunct.
1. The TolyK wagon is a shitty wagon. Someone who has an inspect--which is basically guaranteed in a Big Bad BYOR
2. As mentioned IDKWTF Nakéen is doing. We have a couple of bad, lurky posts and that's it.
3. NQT is working hard this game. Jim is grumpy but I feel he is Town for Reasons. EJ is loud without getting a lot done which is null for EJ. Toony and Web are fuckin' around as usual but I don't think that says much about either's alignment these days. Toony is harder for me to read in games where Web is present. They, er... corrupt each other's auras ;)
4. On the list of people who should be doing more, NJW is kind of high up. Max is quiet but on the flip side I've learned I cannot meta-read Max and need to use interactions + mechanical data as the game progresses. I don't know what I think about Roden.
Honestly, I'm frustrated with this D1. Is this what happens when I'm not here to scunt hum and rip people extra assholes? We just don't have very much data and there isn't a clear target to take out today in terms of having both scumtells and juicy interactions.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:39:52 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:42:12 pm
Post by: Vector on October 15, 2022, 11:42:33 pm
I have read a few mafia games on B12, but it was back back when the subforum was more active (pre-2021). Never participated in a B12 mafia either, I played a few mafias on discord, and that's it.
More scum equity for Webadict.
Inspecting TolyK is dumb, he literally claimed Miller. Don't inspect TolyK
He did? Shit
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:44:40 pm
Hadn't seen this post:lol, Vector, just vote me already, I'm waiting for a big juicy fucking vote brigade last minute, fucking give me those votes, my mouth is droolingI have read a few mafia games on B12, but it was back back when the subforum was more active (pre-2021). Never participated in a B12 mafia either, I played a few mafias on discord, and that's it.
More scum equity for Webadict.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 11:45:42 pm
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:48:26 pm
Web, you plan on using that kill tonight? You better commit if you say yes.I'm willing, but I probably die if I do. I'd say like... 33% chance I die! Also, there's a chance the target doesn't die too! The downside is that I can only kill someone if no one else targets them, so that's my fucking weakness right there. And it's a one-shot, so yeah, I'm down to shoot.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:49:34 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 15, 2022, 11:51:35 pm
If you mean you die of your own action instead, well, you do you bro.
Post by: webadict on October 15, 2022, 11:59:59 pm
Personally, I was gonna shoot Knightwing, because I knew no one would target him, but I can totes shoot someone else, too.
Hey, if you get killed, that means I don't die first, so I'm down with that. That sucked when Jim did it in that first BeBYOR.Nah, it's whatevs, but it means that I get to avoid being a juicy target for Mafia, but then they'll kill me, and I'll be sad. The Mafia should always convert Toony here, because I never shoot Toony. Or Max. Or, like, Jim, I guess, no one ever thinks he's scum.
If you mean you die of your own action instead, well, you do you bro.
Anyway, the point is that I was debating saving my kill for if I got converrted or iif I needed to kill someone, but I was never gonna void the temptation to MURDER DEATH KILL.
Post by: Vector on October 16, 2022, 12:02:32 am
lol, Vector, just vote me already, I'm waiting for a big juicy fucking vote brigade last minute, fucking give me those votes, my mouth is drooling
oh, well, with your consent daddy ~
Webadict
Just kidding. Or am I? I've got plenty of vote for Web but I had thought I had read through everything relevant. I see that TolyK has posted now.
Of the viable wagons Today I most feel NJW, but where I most want my vote is Nakéen (ERROR ERROR ERROR) or ... R-R-...
Yeah fuck it. Roden.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:04:15 am
If the Cop(s) are smart, they inspect me because if I'm converted, I can't do shitI mean Tric claims they grabbed an inspect with their dragon powers, so uh if mafia want to kill Tric N1 to keep him from inspecting...
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:05:18 am
You tease.lol, Vector, just vote me already, I'm waiting for a big juicy fucking vote brigade last minute, fucking give me those votes, my mouth is drooling
oh, well, with your consent daddy ~
Webadict
Just kidding. Or am I? I've got plenty of vote for Web but I had thought I had read through everything relevant. I see that TolyK has posted now.
Of the viable wagons Today I most feel NJW, but where I most want my vote is Nakéen (ERROR ERROR ERROR) or ... R-R-...
Yeah fuck it. Roden.
Nah, Tric is gonna inspect TolyK and think he found Mafia.If the Cop(s) are smart, they inspect me because if I'm converted, I can't do shitI mean Tric claims they grabbed an inspect with their dragon powers, so uh if mafia want to kill Tric N1 to keep him from inspecting...
Post by: Mamobo on October 16, 2022, 12:06:22 am
------------------------
-> NJW2000 --3-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523), juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548),
juicebox --2-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550),
Roden --2-- webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624), Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652),
Jim Groovester --1-- Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418586#msg8418586),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TolyK --1-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
EuchreJack --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
ToonyMan --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --3-- Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418469#msg8418469), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418569#msg8418569),
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (1 hour and 53 minutes remaining.)
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:07:20 am
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:08:19 am
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:10:09 am
So webby how would you like an extra bullet? I may be able to get you one.
Or rather some extra PPOhoho! That's a pretty shocking development!
See, juice, this is why I secretly couldn't bring myself to vote you. You're just too kind, giving me bullets and shit. Let's just shoot everyone and call it a day.
Also, yeah, my moves need some balancing, wtf Fallacy.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:11:54 am
Where are Roden and Jack? I feel like they've been gone this entire Saturday.
So webby how would you like an extra bullet? I may be able to get you one.This is bribery!
Don't bother giving anything to Web, he dead tonight.
I mean, you can, but it would be a waste right?
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 16, 2022, 12:14:01 am
web: How about... Knightwing, Roden (if he doesn't get voted out, NJW if he does), Nakéen, or idk, EuchreJack just for kicks?
Oh shit I just tied the vote, huh. Join us, Toony.
Also, yeah, my moves need some balancing, wtf Fallacy.Man, same, my abilities suck unless I get — well.
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:14:28 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 12:15:59 am
This is probably town Vector that I've mislynched in the past. It was really convenient being a mason partner with them in webSup since then I knew their alignment and didn't have to disagree with everything they said.
I am going to vote juicebox.
juicebox has a big post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418144#msg8418144) that I think I liked initially on my first read but on reread I don't.
A lot of the reasoning feels derivative and artificial, and it's weird that I have a problem with it since a large portion of mafia is collectively agreeing on making a decisions. But, I dunno, it doesn't really feel like he's pushing original opinions, just sheeping others. Like, juicebox always seems to find himself on every popular bandwagon just as it starts losing steam, and I don't think there's been an instance of juicebox attempting to start a bandwagon or push a lynch he prefers.
I don't know if I could be convinced to vote somebody else but I guess you're welcome to try.
Oh shit I just tied the vote, huh. Join us, Toony.
Oh no!
A thre- thre- thre- thre- threeway tie!?!?!?!?!?
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:16:37 am
Don't bother giving anything to Web, he dead tonight.Someone wants all the bullets for himself.
It's me, I want all the bullets for myself.
Yeah, okay, Roden(https://i.imgflip.com/5m034c.png)
web: How about... Knightwing, Roden (if he doesn't get voted out, NJW if he does), Nakéen, or idk, EuchreJack just for kicks?
Oh shit I just tied the vote, huh. Join us, Toony.Also, yeah, my moves need some balancing, wtf Fallacy.Man, same, my abilities suck unless I get — well.
You got it!
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 16, 2022, 12:17:21 am
Can we have a votecount please?Vote Count
------------------------
-> NJW2000 --3-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523), juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548),
juicebox --3-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418662#msg8418662),
Roden --3-- webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624), Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418660#msg8418660),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TolyK --1-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
EuchreJack --0--
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
ToonyMan --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --2-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418569#msg8418569),
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (1 hour and 53 minutes remaining.)
100% original work copyright © 2022 Maximum Spin
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:19:41 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:21:50 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 12:22:38 am
Does he?
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:23:51 am
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:24:29 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:26:02 am
juicebox could save himself by voting Roden.
Does he?
(https://i.imgur.com/MhWrJHz.jpg)
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:26:10 am
There is one caveat I should mention, it's two random abilities that gain a shot, so if you have three or more shotted abilities I can't guarantee you get an extra killlol, good luck hitting my kill, I have 8 shotted abilities.
Post by: Vector on October 16, 2022, 12:26:30 am
This is a non-game thing but I feel like sharing. Don't read it if you don't want to read random Vector non-game status update crap.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
... Anyway my Thursday/Friday is going to be chaotic most of the time since everything is due then, but at least I'm pulling myself out of my COVID-induced behind-on-everything-hole.
Post by: Vector on October 16, 2022, 12:27:23 am
Honestly, the only correct decision is to let the scumteam have their choice. It's really only fair.
That was a change to WSPN that I liked.
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:29:34 am
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:30:41 am
But I did see this:
Sneaky failure: You successfully used your ability, you got the You performed your action message - and your killshot on webadict hit a protect action. You aren't told your action failed, and technically it didn't - but the effect failed completely even if your action didn't.You monsters.
Post by: Nakéen on October 16, 2022, 12:32:08 am
I'm not bold enough to attempt a four-way tie, heh.
Post by: Mamobo on October 16, 2022, 12:32:53 am
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-> juicebox --3-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418662#msg8418662),
-> NJW2000 --3-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523), juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548),
-> Roden --3-- webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624), Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418660#msg8418660),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
EuchreJack --0--
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
TolyK --0--
ToonyMan --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --3-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418676#msg8418676), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418569#msg8418569),
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (1 hour and 27 minutes remaining.)
NOTE: In the event of a tie, Evil forces choose the execution target.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 12:33:10 am
@Fallacy what happens if there's a tie at end of day?
What would you do if:
No lynch occurs in the event of a tie
A random player among the ties is lynched
Or scum choose the player among the ties to be lynched
You have ten minutes to answer me.
Unvote
I'm not bold enough to attempt a four-way tie, heh.
Coward.
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 12:35:22 am
Hey guys, did you know that in terms of human companionship, Flareon is objectively the most huggable Pokemon? While their maximum temperature is likely too much for most, they are capable of controlling it, so they can set themselves to the perfect temperature for you. Along with that, they have a lot of fluff, making them undeniably incredibly soft to touch. But that's not all, they have a very respectable special defense stat of 110, which means that they are likely very calm and resistant to emotional damage. Because of this, if you have a bad day, you can vent to it while hugging it, and it won't mind. It can make itself even more endearing with moves like Charm and Baby Doll Eyes, ensuring that you never have a prolonged bout of depression ever again.
1. Ride or Die.@Fallacy what happens if there's a tie at end of day?
What would you do if:
No lynch occurs in the event of a tie
A random player among the ties is lynched
Or scum choose the player among the ties to be lynched
You have ten minutes to answer me.
2. Spin the Roulette.
3. Everything on 00.
Coward.Unvote
I'm not bold enough to attempt a four-way tie, heh.
Coward.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:39:29 am
-> juicebox --3-- notquitethere*, TolyK*, Jim Groovester*,
Me like NQT, TolyK, and Jim. Me could see Juicebox being mafia but not feeling it.
-> NJW2000 --3-- EuchreJack*, TricMagic*, juicebox*,
Me don't really like Jack for some reason. Tric is always wrong. Juicebox is questionable. Me not really like NJW wagon.
-> Roden --3-- webadict*, Vector*, Maximum Spin*,
Me like Vector. Me probably like Web and Max. Max will vote anybody it feels like. Web will vote what suits him but seems to follow logic throughout course of game. Vector seems to be sheeping Web. Roden maybe good choice.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 16, 2022, 12:43:51 am
Max will vote anybody it feels like.Definitely like four people I think are hard town and wouldn't vote but it hasn't really been an issue.
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:44:10 am
@Fallacy what happens if there's a tie at end of day?
What would you do if:
No lynch occurs in the event of a tie
A random player among the ties is lynched
Or scum choose the player among the ties to be lynched
You have ten minutes to answer me.Unvote
I'm not bold enough to attempt a four-way tie, heh.
Coward.
In the event that a no lynch occurred in the case of a tie, I'd leave it tied, while I'd prefer a lynch to a no lynch here, I don't think a no lynch is to completely be avoided.
In the event that a random person would be chosen, I'd definitely be tempted to leave it up to chance, but I think i would probably move my vote.
In the current case, I don't think there's any good reason to allow mafia to choose who to kill, especially since between the three of us they're most likely to kill me, since I've claimed at least a part of my role.
That being said,
Roden
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:51:49 am
Juicebox
8)
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:51:55 am
All memes aside, what this ability actually does is allow me to one of two things depending on who I target. If I target myself, I can use two extra actions other than this one. If I target another player, then two random shotted abilities of theirs each gain a shot.
I'm tempted to take the gamble and target Web, but I don't really fancy my luck hitting the kill, so I'll target myself instead
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 12:54:41 am
Also, I Play Pot of Greed. This allows me to draw two new cards from my deckMan you really submitted a Yugioh role? I did that in Web's BYOR last time.
All memes aside, what this ability actually does is allow me to one of two things depending on who I target. If I target myself, I can use two extra actions other than this one. If I target another player, then two random shotted abilities of theirs each gain a shot.
I'm tempted to take the gamble and target Web, but I don't really fancy my luck hitting the kill, so I'll target myself instead
Post by: juicebox on October 16, 2022, 12:58:10 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 12:58:44 am
Hey it's my chance to tie it for once.
Juicebox
8)
(https://wallpapercave.com/wp/wp5338276.jpg)
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:03:16 am
Also, I Play Pot of Greed. This allows me to draw two new cards from my deckIf I have to be honest, there's... like... four of those that are decent to get another shot, but the other four are absolutely garbage because they're either R-A-N-D-U-M-B or extremely niche 5000000 IQ super outplay maneuvers.
All memes aside, what this ability actually does is allow me to one of two things depending on who I target. If I target myself, I can use two extra actions other than this one. If I target another player, then two random shotted abilities of theirs each gain a shot.
I'm tempted to take the gamble and target Web, but I don't really fancy my luck hitting the kill, so I'll target myself instead
It's up to you whether you wanna gamble on that along with the extremely high chance that the Mafia decide to murder/recruit me for my valiant efforts. If I get murdered, laugh at my body, it's what I would've wanted.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 01:07:12 am
Yup, which is why i found it absolutely hilarious when you claimed the forceful sentry(https://i.imgur.com/p86hmUI.png)
Post by: Mamobo on October 16, 2022, 01:07:57 am
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-> juicebox --4-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418687#msg8418687), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418662#msg8418662),
-> Roden --4-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418685#msg8418685), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624), Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418660#msg8418660),
NJW2000 --2-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
EuchreJack --0--
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
notquitethere --0--
TolyK --0--
ToonyMan --0--
Vector --0--
webadict --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --3-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418676#msg8418676), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534),
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (0 hours and 52 minutes remaining.)
NOTE: In the event of a tie, there are no rules governing this very real possibility!
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:11:10 am
Yup, which is why i found it absolutely hilarious when you claimed the forceful sentrySpoiler (click to show/hide)
lmao
I don't have any items though; I can only give people items.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 16, 2022, 01:19:24 am
@Fallacy what happens if there's a tie at end of day?In the event of a tie in the execution vote, no player shall be executed.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 01:21:44 am
I kind of like that Juicebox is a fellow Yugioh person and don't really think they're mafia.
I'm barely awake for day end and need to go to bed. I can't in good faith purposely leave it a tie...
Sigh. Do I see if Nakeen breaks the tie, if things stay as is, or did I vote Roden?@Fallacy what happens if there's a tie at end of day?In the event of a tie in the execution vote, no player shall be executed.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:23:00 am
I'm happy to wait and see what happens.
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:31:39 am
That's a bad rule. It's basically like having an Extension that nobody wants.@Fallacy what happens if there's a tie at end of day?In the event of a tie in the execution vote, no player shall be executed.
Can we vote to change that rule to a better one? Literally having the Mafia break ties is better, since it forces us to make decisions. It's not like that can be abused because Days don't even have a hard end time, so it's just a way to make there be shorter games.
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:33:42 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 16, 2022, 01:36:24 am
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:38:40 am
I vote for "in the event of a tie, all tied players are lynched".That's super broken for multiple reasons. One execute per Day, stop being so greedy!
Post by: Vector on October 16, 2022, 01:39:44 am
I really prefer Roden to Juicebox. C'mon... folks... whose with me
[sic]
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:40:02 am
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:40:54 am
How about all players whose votes are contributing to a tie are executed?Someone really wants to play Noita.
Post by: Vector on October 16, 2022, 01:41:49 am
How about all players whose votes are contributing to a tie are executed?Someone really wants to play Noita.
yeah, is it that good?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:42:25 am
How about all players whose votes are contributing to a tie are executed?Someone really wants to play Noita.
yeah, is it that good?
It is equal parts rewarding and frustrating.
Post by: notquitethere on October 16, 2022, 01:42:49 am
ROBO-NQT-1000 has performed necessary maintenance according to its schedule (BST).
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This unit is programmed to break ties to ensure a valid ejection.
Post by: Vector on October 16, 2022, 01:43:30 am
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:45:27 am
great, it's Rodenatin' timeMy favorite part was when Roden yelled it's Rodening and then he Rodened all over those guys.
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:46:22 am
I'm tired fuck yougreat, it's Rodenatin' timeMy favorite part was when Roden yelled 'It's Rodening time' and then he Rodened all over those guys.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:47:49 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 01:48:16 am
Sorry Roden
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:49:56 am
Weird because I don't know how he knew where I lived, but doitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoitdoit
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 16, 2022, 01:53:19 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 16, 2022, 01:54:22 am
If Roden is town I'm gonna think about things.
If Roden is mafia I want to give Jack a haaaard look.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:55:36 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 16, 2022, 01:56:05 am
${Roden}
Ejection In Bound
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 16, 2022, 01:58:10 am
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 16, 2022, 01:58:18 am
... probably not. We'll see.
Post by: webadict on October 16, 2022, 01:59:24 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 16, 2022, 02:02:09 am
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (1): TolyK
Knightwing64 (0):
Maximum Spin (1): Roden
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (2): EuchreJack, TricMagic
notquitethere (0):
Roden (7): webadict, Vector, Maximum Spin, juicebox, ToonyMan, Jim Groovester, notquitethere
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (1): Knightwing64
Vector (0):
webadict (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: NJW2000, NJW2000, Nakéen
8 to hammer.
The mindshackled scribe marks down every vote, and then the deadline comes, and it is settled.
Roden's avatar is instantly struck by a bolt of death. He collapses, and you watch as he dies. No dragon has been harmed, but by the death of this avatar, he is - most likely - out of the great game of FBYOR. Now to see if you made the right choice, you think.
By the law of FBYOR, the true natures and powers of those fallen must be revealed. In rare situations this revelation may be obscured partly or wholly, but never falsified, for the falsification or such things is considered 'bastard', and must never be done.
The truth is written for all to see.
Roden's alignment was Town.
Interesting. Perhaps you are glad - or perhaps saddened.
The truth continues to be revealed, though, and you eagerly pay attention.
Roden's role was Happy Mask Salesman.
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Happy Mask Salesman (town):
(Night) Bind Spirit [target]: You craft a new Mask! This ability may target a dead player, and only resolves successfully if you do so. You bind the spirit of the fallen player to a mask. They may no longer be revived from the dead, and you gain a Mask Item ability corresponding with their role. A player that you have already made a Mask from will not grant you a Mask if you use this ability on them again.
(Auto) Mask Reclamation: While you are alive, a Mask Item ability that would be dropped upon a player’s death is instead returned to your role. You’re hardly willing to let your precious masks be wasted.
(Auto) Saleswork: You may bypass the two normal Item limits of “being unable to give away an Item the Phase you got it” and “being unable to give away more than one Item per Day” for Mask Item abilities only.
The lights dim. Your avatar has been assigned a bedroom, much like the remaining avatars. There are thirteen of you, now.
Night 1 has begun. Please submit your actions via PM or alignment-confirmed private chat by 5 PM Monday.
(Yes, I extended the time a bit past 24 hours, but there's basically no chance I can resolve a Night at 3 AM before a work day. Not in a fourteen (now thirteen) player game.)
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 17, 2022, 06:28:35 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 18, 2022, 07:35:03 pm
It becomes soon clear that Maximum Spin has not returned with the rest of those playing, and the worst is expected... and proven.
Maximum Spin is found, a crossbow bolt sticking into his avatar's heart.
The requisite investigations are conducted, and as the scribes disclose their information, now unbound by Spin's death, you learn the tale of a neutral judge, an investigator, and above all, one of the majority.
Maximum Spin was Town.
Maximum Spin's role was "A Heart Full Of Neutrality".
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“A Heart Full Of Neutrality” (town):
(Auto) Steady Heartbeat: Your heartbeat is steady, unwavering, unshakeable, unchangeable. Your alignment cannot be changed, your action targets cannot be changed, and your non-Item abilities cannot be Disabled.
(Night) A Fair Arbiter [target]: You judge your target fairly. If and only if they successfully killed another player this Night, you learn their alignment. Otherwise, you do not.
(1-Shot, Night) Heartthrob - Neutral Ending [target]: You link your heartbeat to your target’s, and give them the Heartbound Status.
(1-Shot, Day) Speak From The Heart: You bear your heart, and reveal your unbiased justice. You reveal and mod-confirm your alignment publicly. At the end of the next Day after the execution, your heart gives out under the strain, and you are killed.
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(Reference) (Status) Heartbound: Your heart beats in synch. If you are killed, the same kill also affects Maximum Spin. If Maximum Spin is killed, the same kill also affects you.
As you all sit down, it becomes eminently clear that several among you are... soaking wet.
TricMagic, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack are all Soaked.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, Nakéen, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, TolyK, ToonyMan, TricMagic, Vector, webadict
8 to hammer.
Day 2 begins now. Day 2 will end Friday, October 21st, at 8 PM Central time, or upon a hammer vote. You may now post.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 07:39:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 07:47:16 pm
I'm unsure how much I should claim about last night.
Things that I will claim right now:
1. I targeted Webadict.
2. I think at least three players targeted me.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 18, 2022, 07:49:01 pm
Sorry Max.
But HAH
I knew web was going to get targeted.
I’m so smart. Somebody tried to kill web, btw.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 18, 2022, 07:54:38 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 07:57:14 pm
I’m so smart. Somebody tried to kill web, btw.Do you know for sure someone tried to kill him?
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 18, 2022, 08:00:37 pm
I’m so smart. Somebody tried to kill web, btw.Do you know for sure someone tried to kill him?
Yeahhh?
My action was to make everything that targeted Web, target Max instead.
So if max is dead, somebody tried to hit Web with a kill action.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 18, 2022, 08:01:46 pm
Toonyman
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 08:04:26 pm
Yeahhh?Aaah I see, now that makes more sense. This doesn't necessarily mean Web was the kill target, but it's possible.
My action was to make everything that targeted Web, target Max instead.
So if max is dead, somebody tried to hit Web with a kill action.
I watched Web (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418546#msg8418546) last night so I may know everyone who targeted Max...anybody want to talk about it?
Post by: Nakéen on October 18, 2022, 08:04:57 pm
I’m so smart. Somebody tried to kill web, btw.Do you know for sure someone tried to kill him?
Yeahhh?
My action was to make everything that targeted Web, target Max instead.
So if max is dead, somebody tried to hit Web with a kill action.
Er, it doesn't exclude someone actually targetting Max though.
Also I was part of the merry band of men who targetted you Toony.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 08:06:37 pm
Also I was part of the merry band of men who targetted you Toony.Nakeen...if you are who I think you are, then you must know I very likely didn't kill Max.
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2022, 08:07:31 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 18, 2022, 08:08:19 pm
Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.
What does soaking do, exactly?
Please tell me it isn’t a arsonist thing, I saved ur life, don’t set me on water fire
Post by: Nakéen on October 18, 2022, 08:24:16 pm
Also I was part of the merry band of men who targetted you Toony.Nakeen...if you are who I think you are, then you must know I very likely didn't kill Max.
Sorry to disappoint, I'm probably not who you think I am because I have no clue who you are or what you did, I tried to delay your action.
Same question.Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.
What does soaking do, exactly?
Please tell me it isn’t a arsonist thing, I saved ur life, don’t set me on water fire
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2022, 08:43:02 pm
Uh, well, good question. I soaked a bunch of people in case I wanted to shoot them since I was taking the chance that I could get an extra Shoot. However, I didn't Soak EuchreJack or TricMagic, so that's not me.Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.
What does soaking do, exactly?
Please tell me it isn’t a arsonist thing, I saved ur life, don’t set me on water fire
Anyway, it's not an Arsonist thing (for me), but I did get me a nifty status. Perhaps that is the reason NJW2000 is still alive?
Also, wow, can't believe anyone would shoot me, how rude. But that means I'm basically confirmed! Nice!
Anyway, I forgot what happened 3 days ago, but I'm... gonna... wait until NJW2000 or someone else explains why NJW2000 didn't die.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 08:44:02 pm
Sorry to disappoint, I'm probably not who you think I am because I have no clue who you are or what you did, I tried to delay your action.No, you're not who I think then. Thank you for telling me.
...That being said. If you "tried' to delay me are you saying that the attempt didn't work?
So then probably at least four actions targeted me last night, although it could be three if one of them did two things.
Post by: Vector on October 18, 2022, 08:45:08 pm
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2022, 08:46:24 pm
I inspected Web last night; he is town.Sadly, as much as I'd like to accept this, you inspected Max, if Knightwing is to be believed.
Post by: Vector on October 18, 2022, 08:48:33 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 08:49:47 pm
Also, wow, can't believe anyone would shoot me, how rude. But that means I'm basically confirmed! Nice!I'm more convinced mafia killed Max here.
I highly doubt you and Knightwing are mafia together so...I think Knightwing is always town here.
I also think Jim is most likely town since they trust me more than Web or Jack.
PPE:
We can believe Knightwing.I inspected Web last night; he is town.Sadly, as much as I'd like to accept this, you inspected Max, if Knightwing is to be believed.
Interesting...
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2022, 08:50:26 pm
Instead, NQT is basically a gunsmith, with the added ability to find third parties.
Oh, and NQT's ability is associated with Robot, so he's telling the truth about his Robot claim.
Post by: TricMagic on October 18, 2022, 08:55:34 pm
Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.... Really?
Anyway it's late, but have info. NJW is town and targeted you last night. I targeted them last night. Zzx.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 18, 2022, 08:57:39 pm
I ended up being Soaked but also On Fire in a confusing collection of status ailments.
Dragon Deez Walnuts
HA
GOTTEM
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2022, 09:01:27 pm
Yeah, Knightwing is almost entirely likely to be Town.Also, wow, can't believe anyone would shoot me, how rude. But that means I'm basically confirmed! Nice!I'm more convinced mafia killed Max here.
I highly doubt you and Knightwing are mafia together so...I think Knightwing is always town here.
I also think Jim is most likely town since they trust me more than Web or Jack.
PPE:We can believe Knightwing.I inspected Web last night; he is town.Sadly, as much as I'd like to accept this, you inspected Max, if Knightwing is to be believed.
Interesting...
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2022, 09:04:34 pm
At the start of N1 if I targeted anybody except webadict, ToonyMan, or EuchreJack I would be roleblocked. I picked ToonyMan. Like I already claimed I hand out items.
I ended up being Soaked but also On Fire in a confusing collection of status ailments.
Wait, does that mean you're dying?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 18, 2022, 09:08:47 pm
So I guess I won't die if webadict and TricMagic don't shoot me.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:10:42 pm
Anyway it's late, but have info. NJW is town and targeted you last night. I targeted them last night. Zzx.I see, hmmmm.
*taking notes*
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:11:43 pm
At the start of N1 if I targeted anybody except webadict, ToonyMan, or EuchreJack I would be roleblocked. I picked ToonyMan. Like I already claimed I hand out items.Do you know what you gave me?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 18, 2022, 09:12:13 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 18, 2022, 09:13:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:13:36 pm
I gave you DEEZ NUTZThey're good nuts, thank you.
Do you know what they do? Because deez nuts quite good.
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2022, 09:14:51 pm
It says they don't have any innate effect but if I recall Day 1 correctly I think webadict and TricMagic mentioned they can kill players with those status ailments.Not a problem, as I'm outta bullets!
So I guess I won't die if webadict and TricMagic don't shoot me.
Well, that explains why NJW is still alive then.Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.... Really?
Anyway it's late, but have info. NJW is town and targeted you last night. I targeted them last night. Zzx.
I'm pretty sure NJW is Town, if they're the one that gave me this status.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:15:04 pm
Yes, I know what I gave you. I get to pick.I'm the one that manipulated you on D1. I was going to watch Web and Jack but some unforeseen circumstances got in the way.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 18, 2022, 09:28:11 pm
I gave you DEEZ NUTZThey're good nuts, thank you.
Do you know what they do? Because deez nuts quite good.
I have descriptions of all the items I can hand out. I have a selection to choose from when I hand items out and I don't run out of items to hand out but I can't hand out the same item twice.
I'm pretty sure you have to use the item I gave you to activate its effect; I don't think it's automatic.
Yes, I know what I gave you. I get to pick.I'm the one that manipulated you on D1. I was going to watch Web and Jack but some unforeseen circumstances got in the way.
Why me and why you three?
I was probably going to target you or webadict anyway so it's not like it affected me.
Post by: Vector on October 18, 2022, 09:37:21 pm
I'm pretty sure NJW is Town, if they're the one that gave me this status.
Congratulation in order ... ! Now I want to know what this mystery status is ...
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:38:29 pm
Why me and why you three?I need to target myself and two other players for my ability to work. I'm then able to do fun things.
I was probably going to target you or webadict anyway so it's not like it affected me.
I picked Web and Jack as I felt they were the most likely to eat a mafiakill if town. Max was a consideration as well, but I didn't decide on him.
We need to discuss before Day end whether I should use these nuts. Don't make it clear what the nuts do.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2022, 09:41:35 pm
It says they don't have any innate effect but if I recall Day 1 correctly I think webadict and TricMagic mentioned they can kill players with those status ailments.50% of dying then.
So I guess I won't die if webadict and TricMagic don't shoot me.
More seriously, I think Tric can kill anyone with either status aliment.
@Tric: How does your abilities interact with Soaked and On Fire?
I'm also eager to hear your info.
At the start of N1 if I targeted anybody except webadict, ToonyMan, or EuchreJack I would be roleblocked. I picked ToonyMan. Like I already claimed I hand out items.
Yes, I know what I gave you. I get to pick.I'm the one that manipulated you on D1. I was going to watch Web and Jack but some unforeseen circumstances got in the way.
Hm, so I guess Toony didn't trust Jim as much as he claimed. And maybe trusted me more than he claimed?
Or a mafia gambit by Toony to get me items?
@Toony: How come you left open the possibility for Jim to give me stuff?
WTF? You scum read me all Day 1, and think I'm going to be killed by mafia Night 1? And I thought Tric was hard to understand...Why me and why you three?I need to target myself and two other players for my ability to work. I'm then able to do fun things.
I was probably going to target you or webadict anyway so it's not like it affected me.
I picked Web and Jack as I felt they were the most likely to eat a mafiakill if town. Max was a consideration as well, but I didn't decide on him.
We need to discuss before Day end whether I should use these nuts. Don't make it clear what the nuts do.
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2022, 09:43:06 pm
...I'm pretty sure NJW is Town, if they're the one that gave me this status.
Congratulation in order ... ! Now I want to know what this mystery status is ...
Uh, apparently it was a mod error?
It was a free revive. Now I am sad.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:47:14 pm
If I didn't trust Jim I wouldn't have given him the opportunity to kill me. The ability I used on Jim is basically Russian Roulette since I'm putting myself in possibly harms way for great reward.
Re: scumreading you
I like covering my bases. You were right about Roden being town and I felt this made you the perfect "safe" kill if mafia didn't high roll for a town!Web kill.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 09:50:19 pm
WTF? You scum read me all Day 1This isn't true.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2022, 10:34:36 pm
Sorry, I forgot the 10 minutes that you thought I was town...WTF? You scum read me all Day 1This isn't true.
I still remember the time you fooled me as Mafia Inventor.
I guess I'll just wait and see what you got from Jim.
And wait and see what Tric has to clear NJW.
And wait and see what NQT says about my scan of him.
And wait and see what Web is talking about.
And wait and see what analysis Jim has.
Really productive Day 2...
Post by: ToonyMan on October 18, 2022, 10:36:54 pm
Don't want to wait and see my results?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 18, 2022, 10:44:01 pm
@Jack:Sorry, forgot about that.
Don't want to wait and see my results?
And wait and see Toonyman's N1 results. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419766#msg8419766)
Added to the list of things to wait for. But in your case, I assume you're waiting for more claims, so you do go later in the "things to wait for" list.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 02:37:26 am
Avast ye scurvy dogs. You may have thought me metal counterpart was a soft touch. Well that's all done, because I'm the captain here now! And there's going to be a reckoning!
You scum-sucking sons of the whelks made that rodent walk the plank. What a waste of daylight. Anyone with even a basic sense of villainy should have seen that there were at least three better choices...
BUT first...
JUICEBOX you snivelling treacherous cur! TELL ME WHO YOU TRIED TO MURDER LAST NIGHT OR I'LL RUN YOU THROUGH WITH MY CUTLASS HERE AND NOW!
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 02:39:23 am
- Aye, I did ask a load of blasted pointless questions on the first day. Once that metal box got into a pattern of doing things it was hard to make it stop. By the time I got to reviewing the questions I thought I'd work on my treasure maps instead of chasing people up over small fry.
- One-eyed EuchreJack has the right of it, so far as what I did last night goes. Every part of his info is ship-shape.
- Why am I pirate now? Because I am a pirate. I told you all in me very first post this could happen, you just weren't paying attention.
There be scum or third-parties for sure among NJW2000, Nakéen, and Knightwing. Those festering chumbuckets cared not one whit for clearing scum from our midst and so I care not one whit whether they live or die. Throw 'em to the sharks, boys!
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2022, 03:25:45 am
I performed my action; Toony, did you get the choice? I wonder what exact information you got...
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 04:34:58 am
unvote
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 04:57:13 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 05:14:18 am
Didn't get to read anything yet, but lol @ NQT.I did get the choice. That's another action down, still one more...
I performed my action; Toony, did you get the choice? I wonder what exact information you got...
Uh do you know what exactly it does without giving anything away? I have no information besides the name. Does it do anything besides the choice itself?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 05:16:51 am
YO HO AHOY!What'd you plan on doing if you died last night? Your pirate personality and avatar would be wasted. Do you have another for D3?
Avast ye scurvy dogs. You may have thought me metal counterpart was a soft touch. Well that's all done, because I'm the captain here now! And there's going to be a reckoning!
Post by: Nakéen on October 19, 2022, 05:34:49 am
I'm not sure because my ability is a delay. I wasn't roleblocked, it did say I performed my action.Sorry to disappoint, I'm probably not who you think I am because I have no clue who you are or what you did, I tried to delay your action.No, you're not who I think then. Thank you for telling me.
...That being said. If you "tried' to delay me are you saying that the attempt didn't work?
So then probably at least four actions targeted me last night, although it could be three if one of them did two things.
YO HO AHOY!(I love Robot!NQT's many personality cores, haha)
Avast ye scurvy dogs. You may have thought me metal counterpart was a soft touch. Well that's all done, because I'm the captain here now! And there's going to be a reckoning!
You scum-sucking sons of the whelks made that rodent walk the plank. What a waste of daylight. Anyone with even a basic sense of villainy should have seen that there were at least three better choices...
BUT first...
JUICEBOX you snivelling treacherous cur! TELL ME WHO YOU TRIED TO MURDER LAST NIGHT OR I'LL RUN YOU THROUGH WITH MY CUTLASS HERE AND NOW!
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2022, 05:39:57 am
Yes, I do. It's an ability that's always useful in the first mode. It's probably more useful to scum in the second mode, so let's hope you're not scum. ;DDidn't get to read anything yet, but lol @ NQT.I did get the choice. That's another action down, still one more...
I performed my action; Toony, did you get the choice? I wonder what exact information you got...
Uh do you know what exactly it does without giving anything away? I have no information besides the name. Does it do anything besides the choice itself?
Arr, I shoulda said this yesterday. TolyK, you cods-headed wretch, you're either illiterate or deliberately sowing discord among the crew! How did you fail to notice that we're all dragons (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8414521;topicseen#msg8414521) navigating human puppets in this game?? Are ye blind?
I'm aware, but not all dragons are necessarily flavored as dragons, from what I can tell...
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 05:50:22 am
I GET IT
NOT QUITE THERE
Like not all there in the head
Oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh
Also I saw that portal reference Nakeen
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 05:55:34 am
I may only have the one good eye, but it hasn't escaped me notice that only that scabrous box of rotting fruit slop, juicebox, has yet to claim his whereabouts when he went on shoreleave last night. It's understandable, o course, as he was the murderer. But let's see what that foul troutbotherer has to say for himself.
TolyK, aye, it did strike me as mighty convenient that Boatswain TricMagic has the very same role that matches the flavour o' the match, perhaps he submitted it to match the game, savvy? And perhaps he wasn't the only one... Did you ever spill yer special information on dragons?
DON'T THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN AWAY WITHOUT A DRESSING DOWN, KNIGHTWING, YOU IDLE LUBBER! I'VE MET BARNACLES WITH MORE SENSE! CALL ME NOT QUITE THERE DO YE? WHEN I'M THROUGH WITH YOU YOU'LL BE NOT QUITE ANYWHERE! WHAT IN THE BLUE BLAZES WERE YE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON THE FIRST DAY??
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 05:58:16 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 06:07:21 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 06:23:14 am
Spoiler: Vote Counts At The End (click to show/hide)
ARGH, two hours before the end and this pack of idle wretches were snoozing their way to a travesty o' justice. NJW didn't even bother climbing out of his hammock. Now maybe he was on the nightwatch, up in the crowsnest, but he knew ahead of time he wouldn't be around and he could have cast his many votes. The bloated jellyfish just decided to wash his hands of scumhunting.
Aye and Knightwing too thought he had better things to do than assist in the end of the day. Do I think he's a villain for that? Nay, he's but a green cabin boy who has yet to learn the ways of the sea, Nakéen also might have this excuse (but there's not many real suspects and they're high on the list and all.)
Vector, Web and Max were all on ship at the end of the day, fretting over the tie. Why didn't any of them break it onto Juice? Max is clear, Web was probably the night target. So what of Vector? When Juice flips scum, that mathematical picaroon may be next in the dock, mark my words...
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 06:28:58 am
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2022, 06:52:42 am
TolyK, aye, it did strike me as mighty convenient that Boatswain TricMagic has the very same role that matches the flavour o' the match, perhaps he submitted it to match the game, savvy? And perhaps he wasn't the only one... Did you ever spill yer special information on dragons?Could be, or could be an incomplete role name (e.g., "Puff the Magic Dragon" or "The SpaceX Dragon Capsule").
I don't think I really spilled much, except that dragon dragons seem to get stronger if they're the last alive, which Webadict seemed to confirm.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 07:05:08 am
Someone did a magic on me during D1. Claim please.
Important claim please read:
I bus drove myself with Jim last night.
Anyone initially targetting me targetted them last night and vice versa.
Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.Nah, I just bus drove myself with Jim.
Was pretty sure there was scum in you, Toony and Max, and I don't think any of you would ever NK me, so I figured I'd try to protect Jim.
Sorry Tric, you targeted Jim. I didn't target Web. How strong a confirm is this, btw?Okay, well, my action succeeded, so NJW2000 should've died but did not, so either someone targeted NJW2000, OR NJW2000 is immune to being Soaked? That's the only way to avoid the kill.... Really?
Anyway it's late, but have info. NJW is town and targeted you last night. I targeted them last night. Zzx.
Spoiler: a note for NQT (click to show/hide)
Anyway: want some actually worthwhile wagon analysis? Roden was obviously town, I could tell this, EuchreJack could tell this, TricMagic could tell this. The bar can't be all that high.
There's scum on that wagon. And town players, who should feel bad about themselves. But also scum. And I'm going to find them.
Vector, Web and Max were all on ship at the end of the day, fretting over the tie. Why didn't any of them break it onto Juice? Max is clear, Web was probably the night target. So what of Vector? When Juice flips scum, that mathematical picaroon may be next in the dock, mark my words...This bit is so wrong I'm going to address it outside the spoiler. For one thing, Web may have been the night target, or he may not have, but there's no probably here, even if KW is to be believed. For another, you seem to be using knowledge you've (vaguely) claimed to have gained tonight to assess people's choices yesterday. You haven't proven Juicebox looked worse than Roden at the end of the day, or even stated that you're making that assumption. You're certainly not scumreading many of the people on Roden, that's for sure.
You may be a pirate, but you're still getting called out for poor reasoning.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:17:34 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:19:14 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:24:06 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 07:28:57 am
But I think you're scum anyhow, especially with high-certainty claims like that, so would love to thunderdome.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 07:38:31 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zaeJ1kG.png)
Outstanding mysteries:
- So how did TricMagic and Euchrejack get soaked?
- Why was Jim on fire?
- Jim is confirmed to give Toony an item, so he didn't target Web, so is TricMagic lying about the inspect result? Or is NJW lying about the bus?
- Why didn't Nakeen's delay do anything?
Probably some of the discrepancies be scum lies, some are unexplained power/role interactions, and some be due to whatever our matey Max did on N2. Anyone got any more insight here?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:43:08 am
My effect only applies to single targeting actions, if that's relevant."the guy who was targeted by the mafiakill is mafia"
But I think you're scum anyhow, especially with high-certainty claims like that, so would love to thunderdome.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 07:43:37 am
Juicebox is scum, which we will see later today when the wretched cur flips. And SO with that in mind, thinking about how people acted when the dog was dangling on the edge of the plank makes a lot of sense, no? What's wrong with me reasoning there?
More to the point, NJW, who do ye think is lying out of Tricmagic, and Jim+Toony. Admit it, you've been caught with your pantaloons down!
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 07:45:25 am
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 07:45:48 am
YO HO AHOY!
Avast ye scurvy dogs. You may have thought me metal counterpart was a soft touch. Well that's all done, because I'm the captain here now! And there's going to be a reckoning!
You scum-sucking sons of the whelks made that rodent walk the plank. What a waste of daylight. Anyone with even a basic sense of villainy should have seen that there were at least three better choices...
BUT first...
JUICEBOX you snivelling treacherous cur! TELL ME WHO YOU TRIED TO MURDER LAST NIGHT OR I'LL RUN YOU THROUGH WITH MY CUTLASS HERE AND NOW!
Aye Aye Captain Sir!
I didn't attempt to murder anybody captain. I did target NJW and Nakeen with my two actions, however.
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 07:47:09 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:49:09 am
Also, you seem awfully sure I'm scum. Mind actually making a case on me instead of just calling me scum every time you mention me?Why didn't you reload my Actions?
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 07:50:35 am
Aye and what did ye do to Nakeen and NJW, and why'd ye do it? We're all hands on deck here, just waiting on you.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:51:50 am
My effect only applies to single targeting actions, if that's relevant.Though, single target does make sense. Doesn't make you not scum, but that part might be right then
But I think you're scum anyhow, especially with high-certainty claims like that, so would love to thunderdome.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:01:11 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:08:06 am
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 08:09:26 am
NJW also has to think Knightwing is scum with me or else there's literally no reason to think I'm scum.Also, you seem awfully sure I'm scum. Mind actually making a case on me instead of just calling me scum every time you mention me?Why didn't you reload my Actions?
I said that in the post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418688#msg8418688)where I used I Play Pot of Greed, I could either use it to reload you or give me extra actions, and I didn't want to gamble on reloading the kill action, and I also wanted to use my other two abilities to potentially gain some information.
Arr, if you didn't kill last night, why not? Why wait?
Aye and what did ye do to Nakeen and NJW, and why'd ye do it? We're all hands on deck here, just waiting on you.
I didn't kill last night because I don't have a kill, because I'm not scum.
The ability I used on NJW gave them the choice between letting me learn what a random ability of theirs does, or disabling it for the night. The ability they let me learn isn't the ability that they claimed, but it is similar, so it makes me want to believe their claim.
Also, that ability was a day action which fired before NJW got to use their actions, so the ability I learned about is definitely NJW's
The action I used on Nakeen failed, because the conditions weren't met, which gave me a little bit of information, but that information is of very limited use.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:12:39 am
AHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHA that's exactly what I hoped you'd say you lying wretch!
Well, with First Mate EuchreJack as my witness, I did a full inventory of your armaments last night and do ye know what I found?? YOU DO HAVE A BLEEDING KILL!
Hoisted by his own petard, me hearties. That's how it's done.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:14:40 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 08:15:19 am
According to Knightwing, everything that was going target Web, instead targeted Max.I’m so smart. Somebody tried to kill web, btw.Do you know for sure someone tried to kill him?
Yeahhh?
My action was to make everything that targeted Web, target Max instead.
So if max is dead, somebody tried to hit Web with a kill action.
Does it work the other way around as well?
He doesn't say it does.
FURTHERMORE, the point you seem to be missing Master NJW is that ye didn't use your vote. Tolyk and Vector were asleep half the bleeding day and they still managed to cast a vote. Only you decided to be so useless. How in the blue blazes did you intend to catch scum with that extreme lackadaisical approach, ay?With regard to the first question, read my posts.
Juicebox is scum, which we will see later today when the wretched cur flips. And SO with that in mind, thinking about how people acted when the dog was dangling on the edge of the plank makes a lot of sense, no? What's wrong with me reasoning there?
More to the point, NJW, who do ye think is lying out of Tricmagic, and Jim+Toony. Admit it, you've been caught with your pantaloons down!
I'll have time to take a closer look at the night actions when I don't have to spend my time dealing with this idiocy.
-This is helpful and all, but you missed something: my bus drive only applies to single-target actions. It's a niche effect, but I mention it in the post directly above yours.
Also you've made a false assumption about the Knightwing thing. Do you three know something we don't, or are you just throwing attacks and graphs around without reading the thread?
Your pirate thing is great and all, but please pay attention so you don't end up lying about information clearly visible in thread.
Last chance before this gets really rough for you.
PROVE YOU WERE TARGETED BY IT.My effect only applies to single targeting actions, if that's relevant."the guy who was targeted by the mafiakill is mafia"
But I think you're scum anyhow, especially with high-certainty claims like that, so would love to thunderdome.
Knightwing has claimed he redirected everything from you onto Max. Not a bus drive. All we know is that whatever was going to hit you, hit Max. But as far as we know, whatever was going to hit Max, hit Max. So the scum could have targeted Max.
If you're going to insist you must have been targeted, without offering any evidence, we're going to have a problem.
Also, you two realise you're going after the person that just claimed to have bus driven themselves after someone cleared them? Anyhow, deep breaths.
NQT: claim what you did last night and what the results were. Explicitly.
If you found scum, like you're implying, state it explicitly. If this is a goddamn thunderdome, tell people, rather than making graphs and throwing weak D1 analysis.
Arr, and it's telling that NJW never claimed that choice from you (unless me old eye missed it?). Probably a cock-a-bull tale ye cooked up in your secret missives just now.The fuck are you even on about?
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:20:57 am
The scabrous cur Juicebox just claimed to have given you a choice at night. So that means it would have hit... Jim. So belay me last message, that was me not thinking clearly enough with all this blasted redirection. One moment all, while I update me charts...
AND furthermore, I just full claimed a gunsmith-like power on Juicebox you illiterate dog. Keep up.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 08:21:10 am
Yep, Juicebox's day thing is exactly the thing I asked someone to claim.
Apparently NQT is claiming an ability check.
NQT: was this explicitly marked mafiakill? Can you just confirm that?
Looks like a simple thunderdome situation, but I've had to deal with so much BS from NQT just now that I'm not willing to put my faith in that.
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 08:25:33 am
I am Pot of Greed
My first action is I Play Pot of Greed, which I already explained here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418688#msg8418688)
My second action is Now I Explain What it Does, that's the one I used on NJW, I explained that one in my post before this one
My third action is Banned in Competitive Play, which roleblocks my target if the use multiple actions during the next night. This is the one I used on Nakeen.
My fourth and final action is Exactly What I Needed: Which is a one-shot action that draws me a swords of revealing light from my deck giving me protection from kills for one day phase and one night phase.
The last thing I need to note, is that all of these are day actions, which I already claimed here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417621#msg8417621)
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 08:27:25 am
Aye, I see now KW's action was a redirect not a bus. I had it wrong in me notes there. Argh, the charts must be updated with the new course heading!
The scabrous cur Juicebox just claimed to have given you a choice at night. So that means it would have hit... Jim. So belay me last message, that was me not thinking clearly enough with all this blasted redirection. One moment all, while I update me charts...
AND furthermore, I just full claimed a gunsmith-like power on Juicebox you illiterate dog. Keep up.
I literally said in my post
Also, that ability was a day action which fired before NJW got to use their actions, so the ability I learned about is definitely NJW's
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 08:33:02 am
Looks like everyone has spoken now?
So this is probably obvious but I was roleblocked last night so I don't have my watch results. Nobody has claimed this so mafia did it. Unless Nakeen is lying (I don't really think they are) then four players targeted me last night: Jim, Nakeen, TolyK, and mafia.
NQT really needs to read the thread and pay attention.
I like NJW more than Web here.
More later
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:37:42 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zvBwNGX.png)
- Nakeen's delay might have worked after all, if Toony was 'blocked' unless the message said otherwise?
- That cur Juicebox says that the ability targeting NJW was a day power triggered before any possible NJW bus, but NJW has yet to confirm this. Curious, aye?
- Juicebox has an unconfirmed failed actions. Also curious, aye?
- Juicebox has no night actions (freeing him up to slice our matey Max)
- Juicebox explictly and unequivocally claims not to have any kill. I know for a fact he does have a kill. Euchrejack confirms how I know this. Ispo bleeding facto, he's lying scum.
NQT really needs to read the thread and pay attention.Go run yourself through with a rusty cutlass, I'm doing more to collate things than most.
Why'd you have nothing to say about Juicebox being outed as scum?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 08:39:43 am
Buuuut, guaranteed that Knightwing proves you otherwise because you're grasping at any straws you want, lol.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 08:45:44 am
We kill Juicebox first if so. NQT invited this.
-Everything Juicebox said about their day action on me is true. An ability hit me that gave me a choice between either telling the user one of my actions, or not being able to use that action for the night. The action of mine it hit was indeed like a bus, but not the same action. I chose the former. This is a day action, so it doesn't clear them at night.
I said that above, but not clearly enough apparently.
Still kill them first. This doesn't make any odds with NQT's gunsmith result claim.
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2022, 08:48:09 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 08:49:36 am
(https://i.imgur.com/AFKxsOI.png)
And I heartily apologise, NJW, for missing yer earlier claim about the day action. I am but a mortal man and all mortal men are flawed, tis true
TolyK, Juicebox explicitly claimed all their powers, not a miller claim among them is there? That's the whole reason I didn't target you, as the mod told me when I asked that a miller ability might mess with me mojo.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 08:54:05 am
@NJW: Then I'm scum with Vector because they inspected me as Town by your logic.You appear to have lost your grasp on both reason and English grammar.
Buuuut, guaranteed that Knightwing proves you otherwise because you're grasping at any straws you want, lol.
Let's have a look at this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419790#msg8419790) exchange. Vector appears to think they inspected Max instead, once you yourself point out Knightwing's post.
So no, my logic does not imply you're scum with Vector. How would it?
Knightwing can't prove me wrong here. He can clarify his statement, and he can claim to actually have a performed bus drive, but what he actually claimed was not a bus drive. This is shown in the thread. So you can't insist it was a bus drive. This is the sort of thing that would be obvious to a small child.
I'll try to clear this up for you, because I'm just going to be slowed down by more garbage from you if I don't.
Knightwing: would someone targeting Max last night have been redirected onto Web by your ability? Web seems to think so.
You're throwing out so much nonsense and misrepresenting people so much I'm starting to believe you're open wolfing here, Web. Insisting on the basis of poor logic that you must be town, and shouting down people that disagree with you? Good tactic, but some people here have brains, so it may not work.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:00:52 am
Ah, I see, NJW2000 meant that Knightwing64's action redirected all actions away from me to Max, not that Knightwing was lying OR that it was a Bus, which would indeed show I was Town and also in spite of the fact I literally claimed I was going to kill someone on Day 1, which makes fucking zero sense, but from NJW's perspective that I'm scum, it's not the dumbest conclusion (though it is pretty dumb). I'm glad to be positioned with an impossible to prove accusation without the scum admitting to it, so that's good.
NJW's point is that I can't prove I was the target of the scum kill, but I'm pretty sure that if I'm scum, I don't kill Maximum Spin ever, since he literally thinks I'm Town, agrees with every suspect I have, and, ya know, covers for me being scum by being a living body that's actually good at Mafia. Not only that, but Max is hella Town, so the chances that he's being protected are incredibly high, so then the scum have to be incredibly certain that he won't be protected OR the kill is protect-proof. Personally, I see it as an unnecessary risk, and one that gains me little to nothing. I never kill ToonyMan or Maximum Spin here as scum, because you're literally setup to be voted Today, and it lessens the chances that I'm inspected.
PPE:
Dude, you need to chill out. I woke up about an hour ago and only just started putting pieces together, but I'm not entirely sure what your reason for being so wrong is (that's not true, your takes are always bad!)@NJW: Then I'm scum with Vector because they inspected me as Town by your logic.You appear to have lost your grasp on both reason and English grammar.
Buuuut, guaranteed that Knightwing proves you otherwise because you're grasping at any straws you want, lol.
Let's have a look at this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419790#msg8419790) exchange. Vector appears to think they inspected Max instead, once you yourself point out Knightwing's post.
So no, my logic does not imply you're scum with Vector. How would it?
Knightwing can't prove me wrong here. He can clarify his statement, and he can claim to actually have a performed bus drive, but what he actually claimed was not a bus drive. This is shown in the thread. So you can't insist it was a bus drive. This is the sort of thing that would be obvious to a small child.
I'll try to clear this up for you, because I'm just going to be slowed down by more garbage from you if I don't.
Knightwing: would someone targeting Max last night have been redirected onto Web by your ability? Web seems to think so.
You're throwing out so much nonsense and misrepresenting people so much I'm starting to believe you're open wolfing here, Web. Insisting on the basis of poor logic that you must be town, and shouting down people that disagree with you? Good tactic, but some people here have brains, so it may not work.
Unfortunately for you, one of my Actions is proven, which is that I definitely Soaked people. The other is unproven, but I have literally zero reason to claim a kill as Mafia, so you either think I'm lying about that (which, if you saw my role, would make literally no sense, since I can only kill Soaked people, but you don't plan to believe anything anyway, even when the information was there BEFORE anything else.) Sadly, I can't prove the other one since it's likely that Jim targeted me.
Now, how could Jim target me if all Actions were redirected to me?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:01:25 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:01:47 am
Confirmed
Cap'n NQT: Gunsmith'd Juicebox, learned he's a killer AND he's not a third party (that's nice to know aye)
EuchreJack: Learned about the good Cap'N NQT's activities, confirmed them to a tee. If I'm lying then he's on me team.
Jim Groovester: Toonyman confirms being gifted something by Jim
TolyK: Gave the Toon a choice. Toony confirms this.
Completely Unconfirmed
juicebox: Says he doesn't have a kill, I know he does. His lack of a night action is of course unaccounted for by anyone else.
Nakéen: Delay is unconfirmed unless the delay could appear to Toony as a block? In which case, possibly confirmed by Toony. Or did I miss something?
ToonyMan: Apparently blocked, but there's no one unclaimed that could have done the blocking. Why wasn't he delayed?
Vector: Inspected web as town, probably redirected to Max (their claim was after KW claimed the redirect, though they apparently didn't notice)
Messy
NJW2000: did a bus. This seems contradicted by Tric's claim
Maximum Spin: who knows but it could have involved soaking or setting people on fire, given there's a few of those effects unaccounted for
TricMagic: Arr, apparently inspected & followed NJW, which if NJW is telling the truth would have inspected & followed Jim. Either way, the result was that one of them apparently targeted Web, but both NJW AND Jim deny this, so it seems like Tric is lying OR something's gone awry in the claims or my understanding o' them
Knightwing64: Redirects Web to Max. Do we know that happened for certain? Toony was blocked, Vector wouldn't know they were redirected. Odd thing to claim if false though.
webadict: Soaked a whole deck o' people, that's confirmed, but apparently tried to kill NJW which would have bussed to Jim, but why no kill?
As ever I am not infallible, but I do know what I know. So if I got any of the facts wrong here, then tell me. This salty seadog is not afraid to admit when he's wrong.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:04:28 am
Now, how could Jim target me if all Actions were redirected from me?Arr, now Webadict, me hearty, I made the same misreading earlier. The cabin boy KW only claimed to redirect from Max to you, not t'other way round. Actions targeting you would still hit you, at least as thing were claimed, savvy?
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 09:05:59 am
Updated me treasure map. Surprisingly little changed.
(https://i.imgur.com/zvBwNGX.png)
- Nakeen's delay might have worked after all, if Toony was 'blocked' unless the message said otherwise?
- That cur Juicebox says that the ability targeting NJW was a day power triggered before any possible NJW bus, but NJW has yet to confirm this. Curious, aye?
- Juicebox has an unconfirmed failed actions. Also curious, aye?
- Juicebox has no night actions (freeing him up to slice our matey Max)
- Juicebox explictly and unequivocally claims not to have any kill. I know for a fact he does have a kill. Euchrejack confirms how I know this. Ispo bleeding facto, he's lying scum.NQT really needs to read the thread and pay attention.Go run yourself through with a rusty cutlass, I'm doing more to collate things than most.
Why'd you have nothing to say about Juicebox being outed as scum?
I don't know what to say about that except I definitely don't have a kill, so your result on me is obviously flawed. The options that present themselves to me are either:
1. You were redirected and don't know it
2. You're a Paranoid/Insane gunsmith
3. You're lying scum trying to get me lynched
Of course, this chart o claims, is all just what people have said. We have liars in our midst. What has actually been confirmed?
Confirmed
Cap'n NQT: Gunsmith'd Juicebox, learned he's a killer AND he's not a third party (that's nice to know aye)
EuchreJack: Learned about the good Cap'N NQT's activities, confirmed them to a tee. If I'm lying then he's on me team.
Jim Groovester: Toonyman confirms being gifted something by Jim
TolyK: Gave the Toon a choice. Toony confirms this.
Completely Unconfirmed
juicebox: Says he doesn't have a kill, I know he does. His lack of a night action is of course unaccounted for by anyone else.
Nakéen: Delay is unconfirmed unless the delay could appear to Toony as a block? In which case, possibly confirmed by Toony. Or did I miss something?
ToonyMan: Apparently blocked, but there's no one unclaimed that could have done the blocking. Why wasn't he delayed?
Vector: Inspected web as town, probably redirected to Max (their claim was after KW claimed the redirect, though they apparently didn't notice)
Messy
NJW2000: did a bus. This seems contradicted by Tric's claim
Maximum Spin: who knows but it could have involved soaking or setting people on fire, given there's a few of those effects unaccounted for
TricMagic: Arr, apparently inspected & followed NJW, which if NJW is telling the truth would have inspected & followed Jim. Either way, the result was that one of them apparently targeted Web, but both NJW AND Jim deny this, so it seems like Tric is lying OR something's gone awry in the claims or my understanding o' them
Knightwing64: Redirects Web to Max. Do we know that happened for certain? Toony was blocked, Vector wouldn't know they were redirected. Odd thing to claim if false though.
webadict: Soaked a whole deck o' people, that's confirmed, but apparently tried to kill NJW which would have bussed to Jim, but why no kill?
As ever I am not infallible, but I do know what I know. So if I got any of the facts wrong here, then tell me. This salty seadog is not afraid to admit when he's wrong.
I fail to see how I am completely unconfirmed when NJW confirmed the action I used on them
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:07:19 am
Since I'm the originator of the Action itself, I can't be roleblocked (I assume, since both my actions succeeded, but very likely to be correct.)
TricMagic claimed someone targeted me. If it was Jim, (which he CAN CONFIRM BY BEING ON FIRE), then HOW DID I GET TARGETED?Now, how could Jim target me if all Actions were redirected from me?Arr, now Webadict, me hearty, I made the same misreading earlier. The cabin boy KW only claimed to redirect from Max to you, not t'other way round. Actions targeting you would still hit you, at least as thing were claimed, savvy?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:09:58 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:13:45 am
I honestly missed the track thing. Surprise to me too when I got that info, and I phoneposted it from bed.
... slams face into the nearest mast. How out of it was I?
So, I apparently completely missposted the info. My track claims NJW is town, and they visited Toonyman. Not sure if this would be affected by the bus, but guess it does since it fits Jim''s claim. Which means they're definitely town and telling the truth in this case.
Nin. And yeah, Jim being on fire kinda says it hit them last night.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:18:29 am
This is a complete mess. At least I was right to claim my result, gave the captain plenty of info. This entire web is a confusing mess of actions though.Did you get a correction from Fallacy too?
I honestly missed the track thing. Surprise to me too when I got that info, and I phoneposted it from bed.
... slams face into the nearest mast. How out of it was I?
So, I apparently completely missposted the info. My track claims NJW is town, and they visited Toonyman. Not sure if this would be affected by the bus, but guess it does since it fits Jim''s claim. Which means they're definitely town and telling the truth in this case.NJW is also telling the truth.Well, unless it was a full redirect, would need to read the order of claims there. Also ask Fal on what priorty my Dragon's Gaze is, cause the post says NJW specifically.
Nin. And yeah, Jim being on fire kinda says it hit them last night.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:19:53 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:21:19 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:21:43 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:21:48 am
Updated Claims
Confirmed
Cap'n NQT: Gunsmith'd Juicebox, learned he's a killer AND he's not a third party (that's nice to know aye)
EuchreJack: Learned about the good Cap'N NQT's activities, confirmed them to a tee. If I'm lying then he's on me team.
Jim Groovester: Toonyman confirms being gifted something by Jim
TolyK: Gave the Toon a choice. Toony confirms this.
TricMagic: Arr, apparently inspected & followed NJW, which if NJW is telling the truth would have inspected & followed Jim. Jim claims to be on fire backs Tric's actions AND NJW's. Either way, the result was that one of them apparently targeted Web, but both NJW AND Jim deny this, so it seems like Tric is lying OR something's gone awry in the claims or my understanding o' them
NJW2000: did a bus. This is confirmed by Jim being on fire from targeted NJW, so confirmed by Tric and Jim combined.
webadict: Soaked a whole deck o' people, that's confirmed, and apparently tried to kill NJW which would have bussed to Jim who was set on fire by Tric, countering the effect. Claims to have roleblocked the target's target. Jim's target was Toony, who claims the roleblock.
ToonyMan: Block was confirmed by Web
Completely Unconfirmed
juicebox: Says he doesn't have a kill, I know he does. His lack of a night action is of course unaccounted for by anyone else.
Vector: Inspected web as town, probably redirected to Max (their claim was after KW claimed the redirect, though they apparently didn't notice)
Messy
Maximum Spin: who knows but it could have involved soaking or setting people on fire, given there's a few of those effects unaccounted for
Knightwing64: Redirects Web to Max. Do we know that happened for certain? Toony was blocked, Vector wouldn't know they were redirected. Odd thing to claim if false though.
Nakéen: Delay is not confirmed per se, but it not working would be explained by Web's block on Toony as blocks supercede delays.
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Aye so clearly the killer was Juicebox, or, possibly Vector. Dry land is in sight, me hearties!
(O course, scum can mutually back one another's claims. A task for after another set of flips would be to unpick all the groups of mutual claims. Let's swab those decks when we get to them...)
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:22:42 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:28:42 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:32:54 am
I misread me bleeding results. I was told Juice was an alpha class, and I thought that was the killer class but I had it the wrong way round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alpha is non-killer, Beta is killer.
Juicebox, me hearty, o how I have slandered you!
What a blasted wretch I have been!
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:35:01 am
Vector it must be then.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:40:03 am
Re-Updated Claims
Confirmed
Cap'n NQT: Gunsmith'd Juicebox, learned he's a NOT killer AND he's not a third party (that's nice to know aye)
EuchreJack: Learned about the good Cap'N NQT's activities, confirmed them to a tee. If I'm lying then he's on me team.
Jim Groovester: Toonyman confirms being gifted something by Jim
TolyK: Gave the Toon a choice. Toony confirms this.
TricMagic: Arr, apparently inspected & followed NJW, which if NJW is telling the truth would have inspected & followed Jim. Jim claims to be on fire backs Tric's actions AND NJW's. Either way, the result was that one of them apparently targeted Web, but both NJW AND Jim deny this, so it seems like Tric is lying OR something's gone awry in the claims or my understanding o' them
NJW2000: did a bus. This is confirmed by Jim being on fire from targeted NJW, so confirmed by Tric and Jim combined.
webadict: Soaked a whole deck o' people, that's confirmed, and apparently tried to kill NJW which would have bussed to Jim who was set on fire by Tric, countering the effect. Claims to have roleblocked the target's target. Jim's target was Toony, who claims the roleblock.
ToonyMan: Block was confirmed by Web
juicebox: Says he doesn't have a kill, and I KNOW HE DOESN'T I misread it before
Completely Unconfirmed
Vector: Inspected web as town, probably redirected to Max (their claim was after KW claimed the redirect, though they apparently didn't notice)
Messy
Knightwing64: Redirects Web to Max. Do we know that happened for certain? Toony was blocked, Vector wouldn't know they were redirected. Odd thing to claim if false though.
Nakéen: Delay is not confirmed per se, but it not working would be explained by Web's block on Toony as blocks supercede delays.
Aye, so it's most likely Vector or Nakeen that did the kill, unless there's a grouping that are self-confirming.
I am going to go have a stern word with myself. I was so sure juicebox was a wrong'un I didn't go back and re-read me starting PM to clarify I had the terms right. Aye, what a sorry captain I have been (did a good job figuring out the rest though, so won't be downhearted for too long, mind).
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:40:22 am
I was so sure I was. What a boundering fool I have been. Ye may not ever forgive me, but I know you are true hearted (unless ye be mafia-ally, which is a possibility with this result set but not worth worry about now).No, I'm actually pretty sure Vector's action is 100% accounted for (and Town as shit), and that sounds stupid, but the reason I'm sure about this is because of the mod error. I'm pretty sure that Vector hands out Revives to their inspect target if they get Town. I'm going super fucking meta, but I know Vector would pick this, because of fucking course they would.
Vector it must be then.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:41:30 am
... My question is thus, who's juicebox's partner in this scenario? Well, Juice having a dayblock is just odd in the first place, since it renders nightgame pointless against them. And can completely bypass my lylo-breaker. (If it ever comes online.) From a balance standpoint with so many guns about, a dayblock kills all of them.
checks. Yeah, this is a mess. I'm kinda leaning towards NJW being the scum partner, with a way to prevent being soaked/on fire. So our kills don't actually work on them. I'd like to nightkill juicebox with web, but with us being blocked or bussing occurring, that's not something we can do.
nin. posting.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:42:15 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:43:18 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:45:05 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:47:35 am
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 09:48:16 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 09:50:20 am
As a question to Fallacy for you, is the mafia faction kill counted as part of a player's role? Cause your investigation seems suited to ferreting out SKs. Given Knightwing's claim as SK-Miller, you could probably confirm they aren't an SK.
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 09:51:52 am
From learning posts on juicebox's profile, know now that all his abilities are day actions.Fallacy did clarify that for me, the mafia kill is considered a factional power, not part of a role.
As a question to Fallacy for you, is the mafia faction kill counted as part of a player's role? Cause your investigation seems suited to ferreting out SKs. Given Knightwing's claim as SK-Miller, you could probably confirm they aren't an SK.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 09:53:57 am
NQT, get your bolts checked, already corrected myself that the one I targeted targeted Toony. Not web.Yeah, that's why the block happened, we're aware.
Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight, but I'm actually unsure that NJW2000 is necessarily scum. The only part that really is suspicious about them is that they were far more certain that it was a Redirect of all Actions than a Bus, even when I said I received a Revive, which means they're paying attention, but not enough attention, or they just don't care and think I'm lying regardless.
Aye, as a small addendum, I was being a blundering fool regarding Max, as we know the ole matey's actions (he inspected someone to whatever end) and we know he couldn't soak nobody. So TricMagic and Euchrejack's soaking is still unaccounted for...My Soak action is supposed to Soak anyone that targets my Soak target plus three other people I target (because fuck me, my actions suck, that's why). I targeted NJW but got Bussed, and I assume that the Bussing doesn't count for Soaking, but I'll ask Fallacy just in case. TricMagic getting Soaked now makes sense, since he targeted Jim, so that one's solved. EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:56:42 am
Spoiler: Updated Chart o' Claims (click to show/hide)
Avast! I should note that it be extremely possible that scum double-act to some extent, given Juicebox (now confirmed by me to not be scum) has claimed an action that only works vs players who act more than once in a sequence.
Web, me hearty, if Vector be not the killer, then it's Nakeen?
Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight,DON'T YE BLOODY DARE. I said, I was wrong before, Juicebox is not scum or third-party. He has no kill.
EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.Curious and curiouser...
First Mate EuchreJack, do ye care to cast a light?
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 09:59:13 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 10:00:49 am
Pirates chasing after other denizens of the sea, ar?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:02:07 am
It's entirely possible to be Nakeen, but, by your logic, juicebox is still possible to be scum, no?Spoiler: Updated Chart o' Claims (click to show/hide)
Avast! I should note that it be extremely possible that scum double-act to some extent, given Juicebox (now confirmed by me to not be scum) has claimed an action that only works vs players who act more than once in a sequence.
Web, me hearty, if Vector be not the killer, then it's Nakeen?Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight,DON'T YE BLOODY DARE. I said, I was wrong before, Juicebox is not scum or third-party. He has no kill.EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.Curious and curiouser...
First Mate EuchreJack, do ye care to cast a light?
Also, unrelated, but, perchance, will you become a Zombie or a Ninja eventually?
There is also another option. Who among us are Dragons? Proper fire-breathing Dragons. (The answer is me. TolyK's also a dragon, but do they breath fire, or do they hide underwater?)I'm not a Dragon.
Pirates chasing after other denizens of the sea, ar?
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 10:03:50 am
I'd rather go after Nakeen since their actions D1 were suspicious.
So Nakeen why did you target Toony last night?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:05:19 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:05:50 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 10:06:58 am
Web>Jim>TricMagic
Web>Nakeen
Web>Knightwing
EuchreJack's the odd one out. Which would fit a water dragon targeting them. Question is, what did it do, if anything? (can't kill someone without the appropriate status condition, so setup for something.)
One possibility is something similar to my scales that soaks people that target this pirate. Which would require NQT to be lying. EuchreJack, for the record what exactly did you learn about NQT?
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 10:09:18 am
Nakeen, you slippery eel, riddle me this, how could you delay the Toon if he wasn't delayed? Bit of a headscratcher, savvy? One of you is being clear as a night fog on a new moon.Belay that, Nakeen, I'm being a blundering barnacle once again, I already explained how (he was blocked, block supercedes delay). But still... you're one of the few unconfirmed here. What's your view on the set o claims so far?
It's entirely possible to be Nakeen, but, by your logic, juicebox is still possible to be scum, no?No, not at all. Where be ye getting that from? To clarify (as I admit I have been confused and confusing) but I inspected Juice and they are definitely NOT mafia (unless they're a godfather or such, but let's set those sails when they come).
Also, unrelated, but, perchance, will you become a Zombie or a Ninja eventually?Arr... you'll just have to keep me alive and see. What I will say was on the first day, I thought there was another in this game like me, but it was not the case.
One possibility is something similar to my scales that soaks people that target this pirate. Which would require NQT to be lying. EuchreJack, for the record what exactly did you learn about NQT?Tricmagic, the firstmate already said:
Well, since I might be dying from Soaking, I should let you know that I found out what NQT did last night. It was NOT a killing action.
Instead, NQT is basically a gunsmith, with the added ability to find third parties.
Oh, and NQT's ability is associated with Robot, so he's telling the truth about his Robot claim.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 10:11:02 am
Aka, not a bus.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 10:12:39 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:14:53 am
Wait, you didn't say you inspected him, you said you checked if he has a kill.It's entirely possible to be Nakeen, but, by your logic, juicebox is still possible to be scum, no?No, not at all. Where be ye getting that from? To clarify (as I admit I have been confused and confusing) but I inspected Juice and they are definitely NOT mafia (unless they're a godfather or such, but let's set those sails when they come).
“All single target actions performed on your first target (Web) this Night are redirected to instead target your second target (Max) “Ah, damn, I like being confirmed.
Aka, not a bus.
Also, this confirms that Vector definitely DID inspect me, but that it's very likely that Max was, indeed, the target of the Mafiakill.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 10:20:22 am
Wait, you didn't say you inspected him, you said you checked if he has a kill.Aye, to clarify a tad more: I learned that Juicebox 1. Has no kill. 2. Is either town or mafia-ally. The kill part was the important bit before (because I thought I'd learned he 1. had a kill and 2. was either town-with-a-kill or mafia). My ability confirms he's not an informed member of the mafia. Savvy?
Also, this confirms that Vector definitely DID inspect me, but that it's very likely that Max was, indeed, the target of the Mafiakill.If they inspected you, they inspected Max instead. You're only sure because of an apparent mod mistake. So tell yer ole captain exactly how this is confirmed?
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 10:25:04 am
They gave some reads in this post here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418197#msg8418197) and here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372)
None of those reads were very strong, and they were both in direct response to someone else asking who was scummier out of a list of people.
The second time was when they placed their only vote D1, which was another on the TolyK bandwagon which was present at the time.
The only post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372) they made at the end of day was to remove their vote from TolyK
They seemed really averse to voting throughout the entirety of D1, saying multiple (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417572#msg8417572) times (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417938#msg8417938) that they didn't want to vote, stating reasons such as there was already enough pressure on others, or that it was not in their interest.
They also seemed keen on prodding Vector for inactivity despite the fact that Vector explained quite early that they would be busy IRL for most of D1.
They seem to have been observing what was going on D1, but not really making any attempt to get involved only doing so when prodded.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 10:30:01 am
I could be pulling that out of my ass after looking up how to make a believable ability or something
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 10:30:49 am
But I was only claiming it was a one-way redirect after you said the revive was a mod error
Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight, but I'm actually unsure that NJW2000 is necessarily scum. The only part that really is suspicious about them is that they were far more certain that it was a Redirect of all Actions than a Bus, even when I said I received a Revive, which means they're paying attention, but not enough attention, or they just don't care and think I'm lying regardless.
Pls Web
Pls stop being wrong about things that happen in thread and posting bullshit reasons to suspect me faster than I can actually type
This is very tiring
Boom! That's fucking me, NJW. Both actions confirmed, fuck off, kiddo.I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. If you're just screaming over and over that you're locktown, I'm less and less likely to think so. If you think I'm accusing you of doing the kill... I don't know. Maybe just shut up for a bit and read people's posts?
It's genuinely difficult to deal with. You're pretty much sabotaging the thread with endless gunk. If you're town, you've seen what I do as scum in this. I keep quiet and let you elim town and die. Remember that game? How you and Toony basically destroyed town?
Now, how could Jim target me if all Actions were redirected to me?See how you and NQT are posting a lot more than me or any other player, but not meeting very basic standards for reading comprehension or coherency?
At least proofread your posts so that they can be understood. I mean, you wouldn't like it very much if I were to sandwich his nightkill BYOR mafia among us
-*Malding intensifies*
I need to work for a bit, but I'll take another look at what we have tonight.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:33:32 am
I'm not goldfish-level like NJW. I remember that TricMagic claimed to set anyone he targets On Fire.
To be clear, you're not Magikarp level. Get your genre right!
BLOW ME DOWN AND CALL ME A LIAR
I misread me bleeding results. I was told Juice was an alpha class, and I thought that was the killer class but I had it the wrong way round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Alpha is non-killer, Beta is killer.
Juicebox, me hearty, o how I have slandered you!
What a blasted wretch I have been!
Captain my captain! Now we'll have to go against the wind!
But yeah, Alpha means Juicebox can't kill. Also, in case my senile captain misreads the charts again, Omega means Third Party
Spoiler: Updated Chart o' Claims (click to show/hide)
Avast! I should note that it be extremely possible that scum double-act to some extent, given Juicebox (now confirmed by me to not be scum) has claimed an action that only works vs players who act more than once in a sequence.
Web, me hearty, if Vector be not the killer, then it's Nakeen?Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight,DON'T YE BLOODY DARE. I said, I was wrong before, Juicebox is not scum or third-party. He has no kill.EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.Curious and curiouser...
First Mate EuchreJack, do ye care to cast a light?
I didn't visit Admiral Jim last night.
No. juicebox can at most be a mafia-ally. juicebox can't be mafia.It's entirely possible to be Nakeen, but, by your logic, juicebox is still possible to be scum, no?Spoiler: Updated Chart o' Claims (click to show/hide)
Avast! I should note that it be extremely possible that scum double-act to some extent, given Juicebox (now confirmed by me to not be scum) has claimed an action that only works vs players who act more than once in a sequence.
Web, me hearty, if Vector be not the killer, then it's Nakeen?Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight,DON'T YE BLOODY DARE. I said, I was wrong before, Juicebox is not scum or third-party. He has no kill.EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.Curious and curiouser...
First Mate EuchreJack, do ye care to cast a light?
TricMagic, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack are all Soaked.I think I've laid it all out, but here goes: NQT has an ability associated with Robot that targets a player and determine whether they are Alpha, Beta, or Omega. Alpha is Town or Mafia-ally. Beta is Town with a killing ability or Mafia. Omega is Third Party.
Web>Jim>TricMagic
Web>Nakeen
Web>Knightwing
EuchreJack's the odd one out. Which would fit a water dragon targeting them. Question is, what did it do, if anything? (can't kill someone without the appropriate status condition, so setup for something.)
One possibility is something similar to my scales that soaks people that target this pirate. Which would require NQT to be lying. EuchreJack, for the record what exactly did you learn about NQT?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:34:17 am
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:34:59 am
There is also another option. Who among us are Dragons? Proper fire-breathing Dragons. (The answer is me. TolyK's also a dragon, but do they breath fire, or do they hide underwater?)
Pirates chasing after other denizens of the sea, ar?
I'm not a dragon.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:39:03 am
I know Vector really well, and the Revive name is just something that I know Vector's role would be related to.Also, this confirms that Vector definitely DID inspect me, but that it's very likely that Max was, indeed, the target of the Mafiakill.If they inspected you, they inspected Max instead. You're only sure because of an apparent mod mistake. So tell yer ole captain exactly how this is confirmed?
Look, it's a lot of meta reasoning, but just assume that I confirm Vector's action unless they say otherwise.
I really wish my kill connected, it'd be better for everyone because even if you're somehow not scum, you're more scum-adjacent than Tric, which is just a spectacular feat.But I was only claiming it was a one-way redirect after you said the revive was a mod error
Also, Tric, I'm okay with trying to kill or execute juicebox Tonight, but I'm actually unsure that NJW2000 is necessarily scum. The only part that really is suspicious about them is that they were far more certain that it was a Redirect of all Actions than a Bus, even when I said I received a Revive, which means they're paying attention, but not enough attention, or they just don't care and think I'm lying regardless.
Pls Web
Pls stop being wrong about things that happen in thread and posting bullshit reasons to suspect me faster than I can actually type
This is very tiring
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 10:42:35 am
Or perhaps you really want an answer to this?
Now, how could Jim target me if all Actions were redirected to me?
Should I do the pro-town thing and answer your question here Web?
Would that help?
Would that be a really fucking useful thing to post in bold, underlined and all caps?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:45:20 am
Just do it, coward, you won't, you're too busy wasting everyone's time pretending to look busy instead of voting.
Just vote me, coward. You totally used your immense voting power Yesterday doing nothing, so you're definitely the least useful player, Town or not. Just vote me. Do something.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 10:48:50 am
NJW2000 has an Ability related to Soaking, he probably Soaked EuchreJack.
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 10:50:41 am
Arrr, Web is right, you did nothing yesterday, and you're doing nothing now.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 10:53:11 am
And when we're done voting me, are you planning to vote ToonyMan? It's such a good way to look busy.Not particularly.
NJW2000 has an Ability related to Soaking, he probably Soaked EuchreJack.
I do not, and I did not.
Just do it, coward, you won't, you're too busy wasting everyone's time pretending to look busy instead of voting.No mate, you're wasting my time posting questions that don't make any sense, misreading the thread, accusing me of nonsense, and swearing at me. I'm genuinely pretty sure you must be scum from in-thread behaviour at this point, and I honestly couldn't care less about your mechanical claims in a BYOR.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 10:55:29 am
Now I’m confused
What is Web saying and why is NJW mad?
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 11:06:58 am
We know you can apply two status effects. You attempted to kill someone last night. Who's to say your soaking didn't backfire. Or, if NQT's omega possibility is a fact, that SK was the one who did the night 1 kill on you to help their chances of survival?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:07:22 am
I can confirm that both On Fire and Soaked status effects exist this game. Bit of a fire/water theme.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:08:58 am
Web says NJW is mafia. And impplying double actions. And generally saying hes conftown. Webadict is not.My Action succeeded because Toony was blocked, which proves you and I targeted Jim.
We know you can apply two status effects. You attempted to kill someone last night. Who's to say your soaking didn't backfire. Or, if NQT's omega possibility is a fact, that SK was the one who did the night 1 kill on you to help their chances of survival?
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 11:12:33 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:18:56 am
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2022, 11:33:40 am
Also, you seem awfully sure I'm scum. Mind actually making a case on me instead of just calling me scum every time you mention me?Why didn't you reload my Actions?
Why didn't you killshot Nakéen like you said you would Yesterday :V
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:43:15 am
Because NJW seemed scummier, especially given I didn't think juicebox was likely to be scum.Also, you seem awfully sure I'm scum. Mind actually making a case on me instead of just calling me scum every time you mention me?Why didn't you reload my Actions?
Why didn't you killshot Nakéen like you said you would Yesterday :V
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2022, 11:44:46 am
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:49:44 am
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2022, 11:52:51 am
No comment.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 11:55:07 am
Arr, Tric, you adlepated buccaneer, Web's claims are all in accord with your own, Toony, Jim, and NJW. Now, any of you may also have additional actions, but the simplest explanation is Nakeen or Vector did the kill. Unless some new extraordinary evidence comes up, we're going to throw one of them overboard today.No. We're not.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:57:57 am
:VNo prob.
No comment.
I have 2 protects, so I got you covered for two Nights. :)
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 11:59:18 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 12:06:15 pm
In the meantime, NQT, the guy who advocates being careful about mechanically clearing people in Web's Supernatural as mafia (I remember somewhere after the game was over he said he wouldn't make arguments like that as town), is now fully onboard "either Nakeen or Vector killed Max" when we're in an even crazier BYOR style setup with a seemingly high power level ceiling. NQT is also firing posts out like crazy and making TONS of errors in their haste. Please, just take a step back and at least get the facts straight.
I'm going to try to find mafia by their behavior, not this unknown logic bullshit. We can use mechanical actions as additional evidence, not a nail in the coffin.
I wish I was at a computer so I could type faster.
I will present statements and also how I feel about each player when I'm able to type faster than ten words a minute.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 12:07:54 pm
Are you claiming you roleblocked me?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 19, 2022, 12:09:12 pm
I'm still suspicious of juicebox but I've only half paid attention to the night results discussion and I'm not sure it's worth getting a more thorough understanding than that.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 12:12:43 pm
@Web:Technically, yes, which is the best kind of yes!
Are you claiming you roleblocked me?
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 12:19:29 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 19, 2022, 12:39:48 pm
So going off of NQT's analysis of all the night actions, which does seem to be correct, the only people who could have possibly done the mafiakill are Vector, and Nakeen. Both of whom aren't really confirmed.
I'd rather go after Nakeen since their actions D1 were suspicious.
So Nakeen why did you target Toony last night?
Nakeen, you slippery eel, riddle me this, how could you delay the Toon if he wasn't delayed? Bit of a headscratcher, savvy? One of you is being clear as a night fog on a new moon.Belay that, Nakeen, I'm being a blundering barnacle once again, I already explained how (he was blocked, block supercedes delay). But still... you're one of the few unconfirmed here. What's your view on the set o claims so far?
Back in D0, I had two initial candidates for the delay: Tric and web due to their claims of having a kill interaction. Both at the time claimed their kill seemed to have a certain condition, and they seemed trigger happy enough to warrant me delaying them. But delaying them felt too obvious and useless given I was semi sure they would be:
1) Roleblocked by Town
2) Killed by Mafia
That I just scrapped the plan and set my attention on Toony, who claimed a lot of powers related to items and seemed to me to be trying to setup something. With the suspicion that they could be 3rd party (maybe due to some wincon based on the amount of items they have?) I decided to delay them thinking not a lot of people would target them.
Tric: So far from what I get, no one killed or targeted Tric. Which to me means that the common consensus is that Tric is town.
webaddict #1: Knightwing redirected actions on webaddict to Maximum Spin, and Maximum Spin died. That muddles a bit what I was banking on, as there is no certainty webaddict was actually targeted by Mafia or Town.
> At the very least it could mean Knightwing and webaddict have a decent chance to be colluding.
webaddict #2: The setup kill failed from what I got? But they also soaked a bunch of people, and claim they are out of shots.
> I don't know what to make of this. They are setting themselves up for a non-target, which could be a valid Town or Mafia behavior.
ToonyMan: Got an item from Jim due to being a master manipulator from what they infered, which seemed tied to their own ability too. From that I think it means my action to delay Toony didn't go through, because how else could Toony have got an item using their action then? Or their action was indeed delayed and it was Jim's action that went through, but the fact we have 3 to 4 actions on ToonyMan once again throw a lot of speculative glitter in the mess.
> My take on that: people thought like me that ToonyMan was suspicious and banked on them, but Mafia/Town didn't kill them. ToonyMan is most likely not!Mafia then. And sorry if someone confirmed ToonyMan, but I missed it.
> We need to make sure who targeted Toony and why, that would help.
Vector: did something on web, which according to them is a protect or a revive. Why web though? And didn't Knightwing said actions on web would be redirected on Maximum Spin? There is something I'm missing here.
I will have to read the rest of the thread in more details to give my thoughts on the rest of the cast. Not enough time and I'm going to make mistake if I rush it.
Post by: Nakéen on October 19, 2022, 12:41:55 pm
So far notquitethere inspected juicebox, confirming them to be Town.
Post by: TolyK on October 19, 2022, 12:47:20 pm
Why does Webadict have so many actions and get so much night information?
Like, yes, his actions seem to mesh with what others claimed (from what I can tell from the chartsaand my own reads). What I don't quite like is that those actions may not be what he claims they are, eg painting targets. I remember D1 someone mentioned poison effects or suspicion of a poisoner...
There is also another option. Who among us are Dragons? Proper fire-breathing Dragons. (The answer is me. TolyK's also a dragon, but do they breath fire, or do they hide underwater?)I'm not a dragon. I can become one but you'd all know about it - public action and all that.
Pirates chasing after other denizens of the sea, ar?
And I don't breathe fire nor water, nor do I think I would in that case.
(Hahah, me hearty Web sees the chain o' action a second before I post about it meself. I guess ninjas really do beat pirates...)Ha!
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 01:15:47 pm
Since others covered most of the action bases, I'll try to consider an alternate point of view, the devil's advocate position...I actually get very little Night information. My two Actions that get Night information are my Super Soaker and a Track (I just had to use the Soak to kill, since it only kills if I combine it together with my Shock, though I could've saved the Kill if I wanted to not kill like a pleb, but that's silly.) The information I did get is... closer to cheating than it should be. I kinda wish I got Actions that other people got instead, because they seem a lot less convoluted. Just wait until I randomly set people On Fire!
Why does Webadict have so many actions and get so much night information?
Like, yes, his actions seem to mesh with what others claimed (from what I can tell from the chartsaand my own reads). What I don't quite like is that those actions may not be what he claims they are, eg painting targets. I remember D1 someone mentioned poison effects or suspicion of a poisoner...
My Shock is a super weird ability that makes almost no sense, so I avoid it.
Btw, it was me that mentioned Poison. I have two Protects, and one of them mentions Poison as something it protects against.
Back in D0, I had two initial candidates for the delay: Tric and web due to their claims of having a kill interaction. Both at the time claimed their kill seemed to have a certain condition, and they seemed trigger happy enough to warrant me delaying them. But delaying them felt too obvious and useless given I was semi sure they would be:Well, my goal was to bait the kill at the same time and hopefully someone would watch me, which is why I assumed that Knightwing's action was the reason I was alive. However, I'm under the impression that Fallacy messed up Knightwing's action, which is why I think that Max might have been the actual target, but that's guessing a lot.
1) Roleblocked by Town
2) Killed by Mafia
That I just scrapped the plan and set my attention on Toony, who claimed a lot of powers related to items and seemed to me to be trying to setup something. With the suspicion that they could be 3rd party (maybe due to some wincon based on the amount of items they have?) I decided to delay them thinking not a lot of people would target them.
webaddict #1: Knightwing redirected actions on webaddict to Maximum Spin, and Maximum Spin died. That muddles a bit what I was banking on, as there is no certainty webaddict was actually targeted by Mafia or Town.
> At the very least it could mean Knightwing and webaddict have a decent chance to be colluding.
webaddict #2: The setup kill failed from what I got? But they also soaked a bunch of people, and claim they are out of shots.
> I don't know what to make of this. They are setting themselves up for a non-target, which could be a valid Town or Mafia behavior.
As for your second concern, I only had one shot to kill, and it relied on no one targeting my target. I assumed that juicebox would potentially give me another shot, so I Soaked some viable targets.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 02:28:05 pm
Note: somewhat suspicious of both NQT and Juicebox's claims. Third Party/Townkill detector looks like a disguised scum role, if you're willing to second-guess the mod. While Juicebox may have some day actions, not having any night actions is awwwwfully convenient. But scum!juicebox seems to imply scum!NQT unworried about third party... maybe not.
Hmph. Toony is correct that we should not restrict ourselves to Nakeen/Vector.
Nakeen's D1 looked dubious, but newer players often do. Not much info to read Vector on. No strong case on either, and I don't really buy the mechanical POE stuff, especially as some of the cited "confirmations" are pretty weak and likely fall apart when coordinated claims are taken into account. Also the unexplained stuff like Jack getting soaked.
I would really prefer to elim from the mislynch voters, given Roden wasn't particularly scummy or hard to read D1. Pretty likely there's scum there.
I.e. webadict, Vector,
Crossing off Jim because of Tric's claim, and Max because he's dead. Going to take another look at the above.
Vector: (for when you've read D2 thus far.) Has your read on Webadict changed since D1? You seemed to suspect him, but attached higher priority to other elims.
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2022, 02:58:56 pm
Vector: (for when you've read D2 thus far.) Has your read on Webadict changed since D1? You seemed to suspect him, but attached higher priority to other elims.
The only thing I have on Web is that unlike me, he's normally easy on noobs, so I was surprised by how easy it was to bait him into scumreading Nakéen. Also, he doesn't usually townread me unless he's scum.
This is very soft data though. I had an inspect so I thought I'd use it on Web. I got a town result and also tried to give him something, which based on our conversation, it sounds like he received. How the fuck did this happen? I don't know.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 03:23:59 pm
By Knightwing's testimony, nothing should have reached web, since it got deflected onto Max. But if he received something from you, that throws the veracity of that statement off.Vector: (for when you've read D2 thus far.) Has your read on Webadict changed since D1? You seemed to suspect him, but attached higher priority to other elims.
The only thing I have on Web is that unlike me, he's normally easy on noobs, so I was surprised by how easy it was to bait him into scumreading Nakéen. Also, he doesn't usually townread me unless he's scum.
This is very soft data though. I had an inspect so I thought I'd use it on Web. I got a town result and also tried to give him something, which based on our conversation, it sounds like he received. How the fuck did this happen? I don't know.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 03:43:06 pm
Vector: (for when you've read D2 thus far.) Has your read on Webadict changed since D1? You seemed to suspect him, but attached higher priority to other elims.
The only thing I have on Web is that unlike me, he's normally easy on noobs, so I was surprised by how easy it was to bait him into scumreading Nakéen. Also, he doesn't usually townread me unless he's scum.
This is very soft data though. I had an inspect so I thought I'd use it on Web. I got a town result and also tried to give him something, which based on our conversation, it sounds like he received. How the fuck did this happen? I don't know.
Mod error. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. I've said it 5 times or so. It was corrected by Fallacy that I did not receive anything, but I am pretty sure it was Vector who originally targeted me, unless a second person targeted me, but it makes no sense for them to not claim as such, as it's a stupidly Townie ability.By Knightwing's testimony, nothing should have reached web, since it got deflected onto Max. But if he received something from you, that throws the veracity of that statement off.Vector: (for when you've read D2 thus far.) Has your read on Webadict changed since D1? You seemed to suspect him, but attached higher priority to other elims.
The only thing I have on Web is that unlike me, he's normally easy on noobs, so I was surprised by how easy it was to bait him into scumreading Nakéen. Also, he doesn't usually townread me unless he's scum.
This is very soft data though. I had an inspect so I thought I'd use it on Web. I got a town result and also tried to give him something, which based on our conversation, it sounds like he received. How the fuck did this happen? I don't know.
And, yes, it is super cheaty that I'm using that information, but, at best, I'm willing to say that Vector is very likely to be Town.
Ok, going through the thread and making a slightly less ugly diagram with pen and paper.Hm, that's almost fair, except that you chose specifically to not vote. Why does that eliminate you from the list?
Note: somewhat suspicious of both NQT and Juicebox's claims. Third Party/Townkill detector looks like a disguised scum role, if you're willing to second-guess the mod. While Juicebox may have some day actions, not having any night actions is awwwwfully convenient. But scum!juicebox seems to imply scum!NQT unworried about third party... maybe not.
Hmph. Toony is correct that we should not restrict ourselves to Nakeen/Vector.
Nakeen's D1 looked dubious, but newer players often do. Not much info to read Vector on. No strong case on either, and I don't really buy the mechanical POE stuff, especially as some of the cited "confirmations" are pretty weak and likely fall apart when coordinated claims are taken into account. Also the unexplained stuff like Jack getting soaked.
I would really prefer to elim from the mislynch voters, given Roden wasn't particularly scummy or hard to read D1. Pretty likely there's scum there.
I.e. webadict, Vector,Maximum Spin, juicebox, ToonyMan,Jim Groovester, notquitethere
Crossing off Jim because of Tric's claim, and Max because he's dead. Going to take another look at the above.
I'll be honest, I would probably have voted for Roden over anyone else except you. Roden was playing very similar to how he was in BeBYOR 3, and I felt that he had a very high likelihood of being scum. I think it's fair to judge me on that standard, but that standard seems to coincidentally skip right over you.
What's your reasoning for not voting Yesterday?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 04:30:55 pm
First, I want to cover claims for D1.
Second, I want to cover the N1 claim progression and general behavior of players for D2.
Post by: Nakéen on October 19, 2022, 05:06:43 pm
From the current claims Maximum Spin died to the MafiaKill, as webadict tried to kill Jim but couldn't due to a redirection on a not!Soaked target.
TricMagic may have a kill, but it is confirmed they went on Jim then were redirected on NJW.
Soaked: TricMagic, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack
Who could have made the kill, if we assume no false report due to unconfirmed action claim:
notquitethere: went on juicebox, technically confirmed but confusion brings doubt to the confirmation.
Nakéen: 1 action limit confirmed by juice, went on Toony, unconfirmed.
juicebox: used two actions (NJW and Nakéen) NJW can confirm, Nakéen can't confirm.
Who could only have made the kill using a double action, if we assume no false report:
EuchreJack: went on NQT, confirmed. Ambiguity on Soak though.
NJW: not soaked, went on Jim. confirmed by Tric and Web action interaction.
Knightwing64: soaked, went on web
TricMagic: soaked, went on Jim but got redirected on NJW. Confirmed by web.
Jim: went on Toony, confirmed
Toony: went on web and jack
TolyK: went on Toony, confirmed
webadict: went on NJW+alt Jim/Nak/Knight, confirmed by Tric redirection.
Vector: went on web, confirmed due to GM mistake.
The messy redirections between web, Tric, Jim, and NJW fit together to confirm web, Tric and NJW claims. So far I would consider these three as likely town.
Regarding the soaked interactions, only EuchreJack's remains unsolved. Meaning someone likely us hiding an interaction, or I misread something. Or Jack did not target NQT and they are in fact in the same team.
notquitethere what are your thoughts about my reasoning? Your misreading led to much confusion, and I'm harbouring doubts against you now.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 05:13:25 pm
Can someone confirm how redirections and busses are handled in this game? FoU does not inform players affected by them correct? That has been my assumption for player's behavior as I make this post.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 05:16:36 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 19, 2022, 05:22:13 pm
- That damnable doodle Toony is right that claims don't absolutely clear or not clear players. Argh, BUT I remember in the last game where I was scum, I made the argument that no claims could ultimately be trusted due to double actors precisely because too many of the claims were mutually-confirming for me liking. We've got time though, and I will o' course be looking at the players and what they been up to today before the dusk falls on this good ship.
- NJW's list of people on the Roden wagon is a barrel of sour ale. He says that the ole cap'n here has bad D1 analysis, when this blistering buccaneer can't even distinguish between true wagon votes and last second votes added to prevent a tie. I didn't want Roden dead, but I said I'd get in and break the 4/4 tie and I did (and were cut to the quick by a few others as I were posting).
- Nakeen, of course I can tie meself to main mast to be flogged for making dumb mistakes all ye like. But what earthly reason would I have for making a fool o' meself like that? More to the point, Firstmate EuchreJack confirms I used that very power that night. Not that I have the power (he didn't pick up on me other tricks) but that I used the power. So it's a crock o' bilge water you be trying to serve up there, and that's no mistake this time. I'm more confirmed than anyone.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 19, 2022, 05:27:43 pm
What's your reasoning for not voting Yesterday?I went to bed as the main elim with under twelve hours to go iirc, and was pretty sure that my flip would out scum if I didn't give them anything else use, because the cases on me were garbage. I took the votes off TolyK to put more pressure on the people voting me for bad reasons, and didn't have somewhere else I wanted to put them. I could have done an essentially meaningless vote on you or something for your terrible case on me, but that would have been an OMGUS vote, which is often taken as a valid reason to elim someone.
Also, the last third of D1, including two players showing up, happened when I basically wasn't there. So yep, availability played a part in it.
Anyway, why was me not voting that helpful? Well, let's look at the entire case you tried to elim me on:
Spoiler: Web's very short case on me (click to show/hide)
In summary:
- you disagree with my reads (no explanation)
- lied that I was claiming TolyK was definitely scum (I know you're too smart to actually read the thread, but still scummy)
- yelled that anyone who scumread you for chainsaw defending Tric was scum (such as Roden, but you did insult lots of people so you were definitely right!)
So lies, unsubstantiated nonsense, and the fact that I called you out on something. This was your entire case, and what you wanted to eliminate on.
Of course, when I clammed up and simply said "fine, elim me, but look at the cases people built", people backed waaaay off. Specifically you and Toony.
Now the case you tried to elim Roden on.
Spoiler: Web on Roden (click to show/hide)
More than half of it was apparently a metaread based on a single game. This when Tric, EJ and I could all townread Roden. I know some people here haven't played with him, but for those who have, it wasn't difficult. scum!Roden's ATEs are petulant and textwally, and his scum!D1s are generally calm and composed. I saw it. Toony saw it but voted him anyway... moving on.
You also tried to eliminate (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418378#msg8418378)TolyK without admitting you thought he was scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418328#msg8418328), and all around evaded any responsibility (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418587#msg8418587) for the elim on the basis that you know, it was hard and you were tired. And yelled for people to elim you when they really weren't going (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418643#msg8418643)to. It looks a lot like scum searching for a D1 schmuck that isn't one of their buddies, and trying to avoid pressure the next day.
There have been a lot of complaints about me not using my votes. I think there are other ways to find scum, but people also say I'm stubborn.
webadict webadict
Now that the boring bit is out of the way, here's what I'd like to know.
Why was your case on me sufficient justification for an elim?
What exactly about Roden's play was so much like this game that you voted him out on it, despite him playing against his general scum meta?
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 05:41:31 pm
From the current claims Maximum Spin died to the MafiaKill, as webadict tried to kill Jim but couldn't due to a redirection on a not!Soaked target.Incorrect. Jim didn't die because he was targeted by TricMagic and NJW2000, which causes him to Roleblock his target instead.
Also, I would've had to triple action to Mafiakill. I just want that cleared up, and because I'm cool like that.
Arr, I should be curled up in me hammock, but I'm popping on deck to raise a few points o' order.I kinda want to hear who among those NJW listed he's is most suspicious of, even if he's limiting himself really hard. It's not wrong to suspect people on the vote.
- That damnable doodle Toony is right that claims don't absolutely clear or not clear players. Argh, BUT I remember in the last game where I was scum, I made the argument that no claims could ultimately be trusted due to double actors precisely because too many of the claims were mutually-confirming for me liking. We've got time though, and I will o' course be looking at the players and what they been up to today before the dusk falls on this good ship.
- NJW's list of people on the Roden wagon is a barrel of sour ale. He says that the ole cap'n here has bad D1 analysis, when this blistering buccaneer can't even distinguish between true wagon votes and last second votes added to prevent a tie. I didn't want Roden dead, but I said I'd get in and break the 4/4 tie and I did (and were cut to the quick by a few others as I were posting).
- Nakeen, of course I can tie meself to main mast to be flogged for making dumb mistakes all ye like. But what earthly reason would I have for making a fool o' meself like that? More to the point, Firstmate EuchreJack confirms I used that very power that night. Not that I have the power (he didn't pick up on me other tricks) but that I used the power. So it's a crock o' bilge water you be trying to serve up there, and that's no mistake this time. I'm more confirmed than anyone.
It's not just double actions at night, many players have day abilities (like myself and Juicebox). If mafia have day abilities that interfere with the following night we will have no idea and they'll be able to perform their night actions still.I don't have any Day abilities, but I do have an Ability that could potentially negate Day abilities.
PPE:
Eyyyy, he finally did it. He finally voted for someone for realsies!
Alrighty, let's make a new post.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 05:47:33 pm
...What did Vector do last night anyway? We got a mod-mistake, but no clue what they did exactly beyond revive-item..
(If you're wondering why I didn't target you, Flash Fire.)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 05:52:00 pm
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2022, 06:00:17 pm
...What did Vector do last night anyway? We got a mod-mistake, but no clue what they did exactly beyond revive-item..
I inspected Web.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 19, 2022, 06:01:34 pm
At least one person is lying about targeting web.
Post by: Nakéen on October 19, 2022, 06:13:22 pm
- Nakeen, of course I can tie meself to main mast to be flogged for making dumb mistakes all ye like. But what earthly reason would I have for making a fool o' meself like that? More to the point, Firstmate EuchreJack confirms I used that very power that night. Not that I have the power (he didn't pick up on me other tricks) but that I used the power. So it's a crock o' bilge water you be trying to serve up there, and that's no mistake this time. I'm more confirmed than anyone.Sorry you are completely right, I made the wrong assumptions here.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 06:21:24 pm
K. Anything targeting web got deflected to Max. Hence why web isn't dead....What did Vector do last night anyway? We got a mod-mistake, but no clue what they did exactly beyond revive-item..
I inspected Web.
... Vector, why don't you know that?
Post by: Vector on October 19, 2022, 06:33:04 pm
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:20:36 pm
I went to bed as the main elim with under twelve hours to go iirc, and was pretty sure that my flip would out scum if I didn't give them anything else use, because the cases on me were garbage. I took the votes off TolyK to put more pressure on the people voting me for bad reasons, and didn't have somewhere else I wanted to put them. I could have done an essentially meaningless vote on you or something for your terrible case on me, but that would have been an OMGUS vote, which is often taken as a valid reason to elim someone.What you're basically admitting to here is that you suspected no one except me. Progress from this post:
Null:This is the baseline we'll start from because it's the baseline you provided. You got aggro, which means that something triggered you starting from the post where I called all of your reads bad. I'm assuming it's that I called your reads bad, and you probably don't like that. If I have to be honest, I wouldn't call your reads bad if they weren't bad. You never asked me to clarify why they were bad, but I thought it was obvious. Should I explain why they were so bad that Max and I immediately knew? Alright, here's why they were bad:
Web - I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, they were a little erratic with the Tric defence, and they generally have a pretty firm D1 elim choice whereas today they seem to be setting up a situation where they're not held responsible for the elim or avoid it altogether. Suspect. On the other hand, they seem to be avoiding unnecessary arguments, which is a good sign as scum!web usually comes out on top of these.
Let's just start at your best case being that TolyK is activelurking, which is as lazy as you can get. You also didn't push that case forward, so that's another point for you being lazy.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The next obvious point is that you had ToonyMan as leanscum but... literally never engaged with Toony. Hold on, let me confirm that's the case. Okay, looking at all your posts, yes, that appears to be the case. Oh, wait, there was that one time where the vote count showed you accidentally voting ToonyMan, does that count?
Funny side point, you never put in EuchreJack into your list. Come on, man, that's an easy Townread, dawg, but the third is that your Townreads are basic. Lol, just kidding, guys, c'mon, don't get got so easily, he put it in his next post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418298#msg8418298) If you didn't guess he put EuchreJack in his easyreads list, then you're playing the wrong game.
Anyway, third is obviously that you threw Nakeen into your scumreads. I actually think you might've engaged with Nakeen, which is odd that you could find the time to engage with Nakeen but not Toony.
The sum total is that your reads are lazy as shit. That's why I called them bad.
Also, the last third of D1, including two players showing up, happened when I basically wasn't there. So yep, availability played a part in it.That still means that you're indirectly complicit in Roden's elimination. By doing nothing, you let Roden get voted out. I honestly think that's a silly argument, but your logic would suggest that.
I find it odd that you take everything at face value. Votes for Roden = scummy. Bandwagoning = scummy. Why is everything exactly what people say it is, and not something else? I promise this has a point.
Yep. My goal was always to make sure someone got eliminated. I'm surprised you're not quoting the post where I said that we should No Eliminate.Spoiler: Web's very short case on me (click to show/hide)
In summary:
- you disagree with my reads (no explanation)
- lied that I was claiming TolyK was definitely scum (I know you're too smart to actually read the thread, but still scummy)
- yelled that anyone who scumread you for chainsaw defending Tric was scum (such as Roden, but you did insult lots of people so you were definitely right!)
So lies, unsubstantiated nonsense, and the fact that I called you out on something. This was your entire case, and what you wanted to eliminate on.
Of course, when I clammed up and simply said "fine, elim me, but look at the cases people built", people backed waaaay off. Specifically you and Toony.
Sorry, my eyes are bad, and I took this for an adamant take that TolyK was scum [for shitty reasons], could you read this out loud for the court:
Scum:
TolyK - because their entire play has been activelurking or absenteeism. I don't know their meta, but they don't seem thick or inexperienced, so playing this way doesn't really given me a choice.
But, yes, I think your attempt to call me scum for defending TricMagic is also lazy. I actually think it's you, again, thinking that using any scumtell is reasoning enough to go after someone for being scum. I think there's a reasonable case that you're projecting really hard.
Btw, Max is scum by your reasoning. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418356#msg8418356) You could've just asked, but I suppose you were busy doing nothing, plus it wasn't really a pressing issue to me.
Now the case you tried to elim Roden on.Yeah, honestly seems pretty reasonable. Not sure which part here is bad. I'd still vote out Roden. Using TricMagic and EuchreJack as reasonings for why I shouldn't vote out Roden undermines your own ability to defend Roden. You never said any of the second part when it mattered, nor did you care to defend Roden when it mattered. It's basically like you're saying "Look at me, I was right about Roden!" when you literally didn't vote, nor did you actually defend Roden. You called Roden Town, but that doesn't amount to a defense. I'd say you were probably afraid of performing a scumtell.It looks more like read progression an actual case! Enough that Web is willing to vote someone out with it. It is, however, very flimsy. Take a look at any of those reasons. Are any of them reasonable?Spoiler: Web on Roden (click to show/hide)
More than half of it was apparently a metaread based on a single game. This when Tric, EJ and I could all townread Roden. I know some people here haven't played with him, but for those who have, it wasn't difficult. scum!Roden's ATEs are petulant and textwally, and his scum!D1s are generally calm and composed. I saw it. Toony saw it but voted him anyway... moving on.
You also tried to eliminate (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418378#msg8418378)TolyK without admitting you thought he was scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418328#msg8418328), and all around evaded any responsibility (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418587#msg8418587) for the elim on the basis that you know, it was hard and you were tired. And yelled for people to elim you when they really weren't going (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418643#msg8418643)to. It looks a lot like scum searching for a D1 schmuck that isn't one of their buddies, and trying to avoid pressure the next day.Lol! Yep, I sure did! That's not sarcastic, I'm saying I literally tried to bandwagon TolyK. I don't see a problem with that, do you?
But, I was 100% trying to avoid voting out TolyK.
Anything to go off of that TolyK isn't scum besides feeeeeeel?TolyK has an ability that can steal/neutralize other people's abilities. It appears he wishes to use this for others and claimed it in one of his only posts. Additionally, TolyK has stated that he is too busy prior to the game starting. This appears to be consistent throughout the Day.
Anyway, I've got my popcorn, I'm just here to enjoy. If we're all set on voting out TolyK, fine, whatever, but I'm going to say I told you so if I'm right, and nobody reeeeeally wants that.
I like that your entire reasoning would apply directly to Maximum Spin, were he alive to enjoy this fact. Your case is so haphazard that it could literally be applied to him. No, that's not a joke.
Roden it is, then.
Why was your case on me sufficient justification for an elim?I think you're better off asking what my feeling was for trying to kill you during the Night. That would be a better ask, would it not? I mean, it's inherently the same question, or am I wrong? Basically, you put it down right there. I saw you as a scummy player and given that Roden was Town and I was pretty sure that juicebox was Town or he'd never ask to reload my kill, you were next in line. I figured that your doublevote made you inherently more dangerous if you were scum, and it's something that makes me the most wary, if I'm to be honest. It's why I really dislike the fact that you didn't vote Yesterday, since you literally have more power in the Daygame than anyone else, and yet, you're keeping a low profile and avoiding scumtells. Now, that second part wasn't in my mind during the Night, so that's a fair sentiment to take, but I don't really see a problem with shooting on that. I have no guarantee I'm going to be alive during the Night because, well, I'm not scum nor am I omniscient.
What exactly about Roden's play was so much like this game that you voted him out on it, despite him playing against his general scum meta?
TL;DR:
The sum of your case is that Max did everything that I did, but Max is dead, and I'm not, so it's 100% me, and when I'm dead, you'll go after ToonyMan. If I had died during the Night, you'd be making the exact same case on Max.
Okay, that's not entirely true. Not the making a case on Max part, you'd definitely be doing that (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418450#msg8418450). I mean the going after ToonyMan part (https://cdn.dribbble.com/userupload/2905354/file/original-92212c04a044acd88c69bedc56b3dda2.png?compress=1&resize=1600x1200). That seems like way too much effort for you.
The real sum of your case is that I performed scumtells and you didn't, so I'm scum. Look how obvious you're making it that you didn't perform those scumtells!
If I have a blameless D1You call me trying to be blameless when you're looking for yourself to be blameless.
I could have done an essentially meaningless vote on you or something for your terrible case on me, but that would have been an OMGUS vote, which is often taken as a valid reason to elim someone.You're looking to avoid OMGUS and see OMGUS as a valid reason to eliminate someone. The only bad part with my reasoning here is that you legitimately did OMGUS:
If you and Toony are town and elim me, you get beaten by either idiots or lurkers.
Not confident or far enough into the day to post a readslist, so let's just play:You're making useless posts to avoid being quiet about people being quiet.
WHO'S BEING QUIET? [I removed the obnoxious font.]
You're entire playstyle is projection.
Also, quit trying to Thunderdome. It looks really desperate.
thunderdome
thunderdome
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Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:23:39 pm
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Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:44:32 pm
I'm just wondering why in the world you tried to kill NJW, instead of you know, investigating them? I thought you were going after Juice, so checked NJW. Even if I had second thoughts of changing to Juice. Given they weren't around.Why would I go after juicebox? He said he was gonna give me another Bullet. That's just rude, and if his claim proved true, it'd be reason for me to not kill him. Now, you could blame me for not going after Nakeen, since I did say I was gonna shoot him, but I really only planned to shoot juicebox as a backup, which is why I Soaked him. But, NJW2000 is a potential threat as scum, though I do see his reasoning for Bussing away from Jim as potentially Town-sided.
...What did Vector do last night anyway? We got a mod-mistake, but no clue what they did exactly beyond revive-item..
(If you're wondering why I didn't target you, Flash Fire.)
Also, I assumed that NJW2000 would not be targeted, while juicebox had the potential to be targeted. I should've instead shot Nakeen, knowing what I know now, but that's hindsight.
Also, the reason why I thought I was killed by scum was that juicebox didn't claim to have given me a Bullet, and Maximum Spin died while Knightwing redirected actions from me. In that way, it's entirely possible that juicebox planned to lie about his action as giving me a Reload when I was dead, but that plan was nixxed when I didn't die, and could therefore "verify" his action. I don't see this as likely anymore, given a series of factors, but it was the first one that jumped to my mind.
The revive item I assumed was from Vector, since it fits what I'd expect from them as a role. It's not proven, but that's just my assumption and I don't plan on revealing anything about it other than it's a revive with a really powerful effect. BUT I ALSO DON'T HAVE IT, SO PLEASE REMEMBER THAT, TRIC. If that's not the case, then I have no idea where that Action came from or what it means, but it's stupidly good.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 07:53:53 pm
Guess it;s more that I expected Juice to get investigated.. Or otherwise, given how distant they were in NQT's charts D1. NJW was just a good investigation target from the fact that A: He didn't vote, B: he was a potential lynch. Why wouldn't I investigate him to clear them of suspicion from that? If they were town, that's a confirmed double voter, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Also, not that dumb webadict... Nor are you on fire in the first place.
... To check others, is it webadict meta to shoot the person with the double vote? < Just to be sure.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 07:56:34 pm
... To check others, is it webadict meta to shoot the person with the double vote? < Just to be sure.Never had a chance. Doublevoters aren't necessarily alignment indicative, but if I feel one is scum, then it's imperative to kill them. Scum with a double vote means they can end the game that much sooner.
But it is always in my meta to shoot ASAP. Just ask Toony!
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 08:06:25 pm
This is where my logic is stuck at.
NJW2000 <=== This is a blatant OMGUS, I'm only voting him because he voted me, I want that to be 100% clear. I'm making it clear this is a scumtell, and that I'd actually only like to bandwagon this vote if possible. Also, I'm lying about all of this, and I'm going to vote out anyone that gets near hammer, that's why I asked Max about it yesterday, I'm gonna hammer everyone I get the chance to. Watch me!
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 08:13:26 pm
... To check others, is it webadict meta to shoot the person with the double vote? < Just to be sure.Definitely, if it is someone Web can't easily manipulate.
I don't think it's alignment indicative. Web would shoot the double voter regardless of alignment, I wager.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 08:20:30 pm
He's still got to be under the belief that I either don't have a kill, and I killed Maximum Spin, in spite of having two confirmed Actions, OR that ToonyMan and I are scum together, OR that I do have a kill, and did everything I did as scum, including making myself easily trackable, explaining how my action would fail beforehand, and also getting a list of viable targets for some reason.
His reasoning is flawed, though I'm about to espouse WIFOM: Why would I claim my extra kill as scum? Why would I advocate for a mafiakill on Maximum Spin? I think that Maximum Spin is a terrible kill for me as scum, since it only makes me more likely to be found out, especially since Max and I look exactly the same. The only factor that goes against that is that I kill Maximum Spin because it makes me look innocent by association. That's a really dumb play, but it's a valid explanation.
I think he definitely is pushing that ToonyMan and I are scum together, though. He's made that abundantly clear. So, he's probably thinking that I'm covering for ToonyMan being Blocked.
I'd just like to hear his theory on that, since it's reasonable to suspect that he believe this in spite of how dumb it is.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 08:22:37 pm
Rude.... To check others, is it webadict meta to shoot the person with the double vote? < Just to be sure.Definitely, if it is someone Web can't easily manipulate.
...True, but rude.
Post by: TricMagic on October 19, 2022, 08:28:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 08:51:02 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 08:56:44 pm
Spoiler: Not Game Relevant (click to show/hide)
I kind of wish a helpful Pixie was in this game to sort claims.
If something is wrong please let me know and I'll correct.
If you want to add something to what I've said feel free to, I encourage it.
D1 claims:
Knightwing claims SK-miller (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417555#msg8417555) right away.
I made Jim have to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419798#msg8419798) target me, Web, or Jack on N1.
Juicebox full claims here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420008#msg8420008)
Juicebox targets himself with Pot of Greed which allows him
Juicebox targets NJW with Now I Explain What it Does and learns one of NJW's abilities
Juicebox targets Nakeen with Banned in Competitive Play which roleblocks them if they use multiple actions.
Note: Nakeen acts like they were not roleblocked (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419945#msg8419945) on D2 when they claim to have delayed me and that it was successful. Nakeen would not know about Juicebox's action, therefore we can reasonably conclude that Nakeen did not perform multiple actions on N1 as they were not roleblocked.
I believe Juicebox is being fully honest with their role-claim.
Note: Juicebox found it extremely amusing when I claimed The Forceful Sentry, this is because they submitted Pot of Greed as their role and would have made for an very crazy coincidence. This kind of reaction would be difficult to fake if Juicebox was not who he said he was.
TolyK claims Miller very late into D1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418478#msg8418478) after becoming a lynch candidate. They spill that they're a Fake Devil and are a miller, so town but inspect as mafia I assume. They also claimed a disable very early into D1.
Tric claims their Dragon stuff here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418490#msg8418490) They started by grabbing a cop ability for D1.
Conclusions:
1. Knightwing seems town to me.
2. Juicebox seems town to me.
3. Nakeen probably did delay me on N1, but because I was role-blocked nothing happened.
4. Nakeen could not have performed multiple actions on N1 unless working with Juicebox.
5. TolyK claims miller really late, but I can confirm they aren't lying about at least parts of their role. I feeeel like TolyK is town though, maybe this is because of Knightwing being town in Supernatural.
N1 claims and general D2 thoughts in order:
#548 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419754#msg8419754) - I claim I targeted Web and that at least three players targeted me.
#552 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419762#msg8419762) - Knightwing claims they made everything that targeted Web, target Max instead.
I strongly believe this claim.
I believe Knightwing suspected Max, and thought Web would be the mafiakill target, so they redirected people from Web to Max.
This comes off as a town mindset to me.
Note: NQT and Webadict confusingly start saying that Knightwing swapped Web and Max like a bus, which is extremely annoying and misleading. NQT and Webadict are unable to read or are being scummy on purpose.
#554 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419766#msg8419766) - I claim I watched Webadict and may know everyone who targeted Max.
I have no idea who targeted Max thanks to the roleblock. It's pretty annoying since I would have a list of players that could have killed Max otherwise. I said my claim in this way because I was somewhat confident that mafia roleblocked me and wanted to see if I can get genuine town reactions out of people, since other town players wouldn't know I didn't actually have watch results.
#555 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419767#msg8419767) - Nakeen claims they targeted me.
This claims feels very genuine to me, although we know a bit from now that they delayed me so why the FoS on me since Max died? They know their delay was performed on me so I probably couldn't have killed Max in that case.
#557 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419769#msg8419769) - Webadict claims their action succeeded and that NJW should have died but didn't, so either someone targeted NJW or NJW is immune to being soaked.
#559 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419776#msg8419776) - Nakeen reveals they targeted me with a delay.
#560 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419787#msg8419787) - Webadict claims they soaked Knightwing, Nakeen, and Jim, but not Jack and Tric.
This is an interesting post. Webadict is saying they also soaked Jim here.
Isn't that weird? We know in the future that NJW claims they bussed themselves with Jim, but...Webadict shouldn't know that.
So why is Webadict not surprised Jim is soaked instead of NJW? They don't make any mention of this oddness in this post.
The Soaked status works in some way I don't understand, or Webadict is being suspicious here.
Note:
This is also the beginning of Webadict intentionally or accidently creating confusion by saying they can't believe someone would try to shoot them, when that's not what Knightwing did. Web may have been the kill target, but Max could have as well.
#562 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419790#msg8419790) - Vector claims they inspected Web and got a town result.
If we believe Vector they actually inspected Max and got a town result.
I can't confirm this unlike in Supernatural. :(
#566 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419795#msg8419795) - Jack claims NQT did not perform a kill action last night. Jack claims NQT is basically a gunsmith that can find third-parties as well. Jack claims his ability is associated with Robot so the Robot stuff is true.
Jack backs NQT here. NQT is unlikely to be mafia unless both NQT and Jack are mafia together.
#567 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419797#msg8419797) - Tric claims that NJW is town and targeted Webadict last night.
Tric claimed a cop inspect on D1 so this checks out, it seems like it also tracks the target?
Tric actually inspected Jim here if we believe NJW, which means Jim is town and targeted...Webadict?
Nothing about that statement makes sense. Jim targeted me, not Webadict (or Max). I can confirm somebody gave me Dragon Deez Nuts.
Is Tric getting caught in a lie here thanks to NJW's claim?
#568 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419798#msg8419798) - Jim claims the action I used on them D1. Jim claims they were Soaked and On Fire at the same time.
Jim confirms they were soaked by Web...but again NJW bussed Web with himself so Web would have soaked NJW, not Jim.
Who set Jim On Fire? I don't actually know while typing this.
*POST EDIT*
It was Tric. Somewhere on D1 Tric claims their target gets On Fire I think, I'd have to find the post I can't be bothered currently.
#577 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419812#msg8419812) - Webadict claims they're out of bullets (their super soaker?) and responds to Tric saying they tracked NJW to Webadict. Web thinks NJW is probably town since they gave them "this status".
I think he's talking about the revive that FoU may have given Web by accident?
The whole revive claim thing is not clear and detracts from the game. If FoU screwed up then for shame.
#580 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419816#msg8419816) - Vector congratulates Web for getting this status from NJW and wants to know what that mystery status is...
Okay so Vector is clearly hinting that they gave Web a status here, but that's not what happened since it went to Max instead who died.
I think we can safely assume that FoU did in fact screw up and had Web get a revive status from Vector, when Vector in fact gave this revive status to Max instead. Max somehow died while getting a revive, that's pretty sad.
#583 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419819#msg8419819) - Web confirms it was a mod error and that it was a free revive.
#588 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419845#msg8419845) - Jack lists things he wants to wait and see for, but doesn't include my watch results so I remind him.
I don't like how passive Jack is being here. They also don't seem to have any care that I claimed watch results on Web/Max which would be very useful information. I could speculate that Jack doesn't list my watch results as something to wait for because he already knew I had no results somehow. Jack couldn't be mafia here without being partners with Webadict though.
#589 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419904#msg8419904) - NQT arrives and accuses Juicebox of trying to murder someone. They're also a pirate now. Thinks there's scum or third-party for sure inside NJW, Nakeen, Knightwing.
#591 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419917#msg8419917) - TolyK arrives and asks me if I got the choice and what exact info I got.
It's true, I got a choice from someone last night.
I think I'm going to pick the funner option even if it's not the correct one, sorry guys.
#596 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419945#msg8419945) - Nakeen confirms they successfully performed their action to delay me.
I'm kind of curious what would have happened if I wasn't role-blocked. Obviously I still don't get my watch results on N1 which is really annoying, but what happens on N2? Do I get my N1 watch results or does my watch "trigger" on N2?
#599 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419950#msg8419950) - NQT confirms with me that he has...4 personality modules? If I'm reading that right. NQT also continues to dunk on Juicebox and saying they're the murderer.
It becomes clear later that NQT misread their role ability...please read better NQT.
#600 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419951#msg8419951) - Knightwing is happy because they think they protected Web from dying. They also claim they obtained an extra vote.
How did Knightwing get an extra vote? Can you elaborate Knightwing?
Again, I don't see mafia!Knightwing telling us willingly he got an extra vote as that is crucial information to break lylos.
#605 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419968#msg8419968) - NJW claims someone used magic on them D1. They also claim they bus drove themselves with Jim.
This is a very big claim.
The magic on D1 would be because Juicebox used their role-cop ability on them, correct? Can this be confirmed?
The bus is huge. NJW and Jim swapping places makes claims before this point very odd for Web and Tric especially.
NJW wanting to protect Jim I guess makes sense? Although then NJW would have died if mafia tried to kill Jim.
#609 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419978#msg8419978) - NJW further adds that their bus only effects single-target actions. NJW would also love to thunderdome with Webadict.
NJW wanting to thunderdome strikes me as extremely townie. I really think a town!NJW would want to die if they could take down a mafia!Web they're confident of.
The bus only effecting single-targets could be why Webadict's super soaker ability hit Jim like he expected? I talked about this earlier but Web was very assured his Soaked effect hit Jim (and we know Jim got Soaked), so the super soaker must be multi-targeting. This gets more interesting because Webadict says (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419971#msg8419971) that NJW should have been soaked, this contradicts what he said at the start of D2. Which is it Web?
#610 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419981#msg8419981) - NQT starts posting charts at this point. Every single chart from this point forward has "N2 claims" on it even though they're N1 claims, but I wasn't around to correct him so he kept spamming charts.
He doesn't mention my watch claim either which is annoying. All his other points are fine.
**DISCLAIMER**
At this point Webadict and NQT start posting a lot of nonsense. I'll try to filter it down for the reading audience.
#621 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419997#msg8419997) - Juicebox confirms information about their D1 actions on NJW and Nakeen. Juicebox knows their action on Nakeen failed because "the conditions weren't met".
#626 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420005#msg8420005) - NJW confirms the D1 magic was from Juicebox.
#627 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420008#msg8420008) - Juicebox full-claim.
**GENERAL OVERVIEW**
A lot of bickering between Webadict and NJW.
A lot of bickering between NQT and Juicebox.
#641 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420029#msg8420029) - Webadict says they know why Jim didn't die when Web targeted NJW (which went to Jim) because Tric ended up targeting Jim instead of NJW. Webadict claims the other thing their action does if it doesn't kill is roleblock the target's target. Webadict knows Tric ended up targeting Jim because Jim became On Fire.
Did Tric ever state his target also becomes On Fire? I think he did on D1, NQT missed this earlier in one of his chart posts.
Jim can confirm he became On Fire so Tric did end up targeting Jim.
Earlier, Tric claimed they targeted NJW and saw them visit Web but that doesn't make sense even if they really targeted Jim (which they did).
Webadict is confused how he got targeted by Jim.
#643 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420031#msg8420031) - Tric retcons their claim and says NJW was town and they visited ToonyMan. Tric confirms that Jim being On Fire does mean they hit them last night.
Okay, so now Tric changes who their target target'd, from Webadict to me.
I find this extremely annoying and I'm pissed if town!Tric just completely misread their night results.
I feel like...it is town Tric though? Jim claims they targeted me literally 2 minutes after Tric gave their results the first time, and it would have been very late for Tric when he posted. I don't really think Tric gains anything from lying here, so it seems like an honest mistake I GUESS.
#646 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420035#msg8420035) - Webadict realizes he roleblocked me.
I'm mad about this, but even if I wasn't roleblocked I would have been delayed by Nakeen so I never would have gotten useful information.
#651 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420041#msg8420041) - NQT realizes they misread their role ability and apologizes to Juicebox.
*sigh
#654 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420044#msg8420044) - Thanks to the mod error, Web thanks Vector hands out free revives when their inspect target is town.
I can agree with this, although I don't like how he got there.
Why wasn't Max revived though? Max got this revive instead.
#663 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420055#msg8420055) - Web thinks NJW is suspicious for thinking Knightwing's action was a redirect and not a bus.
I...what? It was so fucking obvious Knightwing's action was a redirect. It was immediately the first thing I recognized in my brain when I read Knightwing's claim at the start of D1. Nakeen and I even reiterated it and repeated that Knightwing redirected players from Web to Max. You cannot suspect NJW for this.
I can't believe how full of sand your face orifices are.
#668 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420060#msg8420060) - Juicebox nods along with NQT that Vector or Nakeen are the only ones that could have killed Max. They vote Nakeen over Vector since they found Nakeen's D1 suspicious.
Meh. I don't feel Juicebox is applying themselves very much here.
#669 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420061#msg8420061) - Webadict vouches for Vector due to MOD ERROR.
Is it just me or does this game have a ton of inspects?
Vector inspects Web (really Max), gets town.
Tric inspects NJW (really Jim), gets town.
NQT inspects Juicebox, gets non-killing town or third-party.
Out of these, Max is dead but we can probably say with confidence that Jim and Juicebox are not mafia.
#671 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420063#msg8420063) - Tric gives a very enlighening post about how people got Soaked by Webadict.
Did Webadict actually specify how their super soaker worked? Because Tric is making logical leaps here which I feel is way too smart for Tric.
Basically Webadict claims they Soaked Jim, Nakeen, and Knightwing (not Tric or Jack).
This action was multi-targeting which is why NJW's bus didn't work and explains my confusion earlier in this post.
Tric states here that they got soaked because they ended up targeting Jim.
This also means nobody targeted Nakeen or Knightwing on N1.
I genuinely don't understand what Tric is saying in the latter half of their post about Jack and NQT.
I think Tric is saying that NQT may be hiding the fact that people that target him get Soaked, or something?
#675 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420067#msg8420067) - Webadict FINALLY FUCKING REALIZES KNIGHTWING DIDN'T BUS BUT REDIRECTED
It only took Knightwing soft-quoting his PMs again like in Supernatural.
#677 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420070#msg8420070) - Juicebox pursues a case on Nakeen.
I like the effort...
#679 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420073#msg8420073) - NJW doesn't seem to think Knightwing was talking about a redirect either until the mod error, wtf?
#680 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420074#msg8420074) - Woah it's Jack...with a very chill normal post confirming their action where they got info about NQT. Then votes Vector because??
I don't like any of this.
#686 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420083#msg8420083) - More NJW and Web bickering. Webadict claims NJW has an ability related to Soaking and that maybe they soaked Jack.
I think Web is making this assumption because NJW claimed they were aware of On Fire/Soaked during D1.
#688 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420085#msg8420085) - NJW denies the accusation that they Soaked Jack.
I mean...I think a reasonable guess is that Webadict is lying and also soaked Jack but isn't claiming that he did to cause confusion.
#692 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420097#msg8420097) - Tric votes Webadict for being suspicious. Webadict says his actions are confirmed and also that him and Tric both targeted Jim.
Webadict could be telling the truth for why I was roleblocked. I think it's possible but zany.
You could just as well speculate that mafia used a day ability to block me the following night (similar to Juicebox's but more powerful), or Web just straight up roleblocked me as their other action while an ally kills Max. Webadict doesn't mention anything about a roleblock until after NJW claims their bus. Not sure how much I believe this.
#694 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420109#msg8420109) - Webadict and Vector hop on a Nakeen wagon.
This is like them voting Roden and I don't like it.
#701 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420126#msg8420126) - Vector doesn't admit about their revive to Web. Web claims they have two protects to presumably keep Vector alive.
Meh. I don't like it. If Webadict and Vector are acting like this I think at least one is mafia.
#708 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420147#msg8420147) - Nakeen comments on the game.
My day ability and night ability are two different things. You would not be able to delay my day ability here, but you could effect my night ability. My night ability ended up getting messed with.
#711 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420158#msg8420158) - Webadict claims they have a Super Soaker and a Track. The Soaked kills if combined with the Shock which is some other thing? Webadict also mentions Poison and that one of their two Protects mentions Poison as something to protect against.
Webadict says Super Soaker here so this must be where I read the name from in the earlier parts of my post.
I assume the Shock is what roleblocked me?
"I assumed that juicebox would potentially give me another shot, so I Soaked some viable targets."
First, Juicebox claimed on D1 that they were using Pot of Greed on themselves! Reading comphrension fails again, are you even trying?
Second, your Soak targets were TERRIBLE. You admit to soaking Jim, Knightwing, and Nakeen. Why?? Didn't you townread Knightwing and Nakeen? I could see maybe Jim since you like to suspect Jim even though I find him town, but Tric inspecting Jim as town rubs salt in the wound doesn't it? Then there's Tric and Jack which you don't admit to, but those are also bad players to soak from your POV?? Assuming you're hiding it for those two.
***BLAH BLAH BLAH***
And then I got home.
There's been new posts since then but whatever. Web claimed an ability that may negate day abilities or something.
Bonus Content
Sometime during N1:
Max is killed by a crossbow. They did not, or were not able, to use their one-shot Heartthrob on someone as only they died.
We don't know who Max used A Fair Arbiter on, it's almost certain he used this ability.
TricMagic, Knightwing64, Nakéen, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack are all Soaked.
Next I want to go over what seems to have happened last night (bleh) as well as which players I think are town and which are suspicious (yay!).
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 09:17:01 pm
Reads are way funner, and more important.
Day 2 Reads
Likely Town
Jim - I think they're town, gave me deez nuts, Tric inspected them as town
Juicebox - roleclaim feels very honest, reaction to me claiming Forceful Sentry looks very genuine, their cases have been weak though, is cleared by NQT as either non-killing town or third-party
Knightwing - very town, claimed SK-miller, seems to be thinking for themselves
Tric - general behavior, claimed early, don't really feel like they're lying even with the D2 mess up
Nakeen - I really think they did try to delay me N1, actions seem to make sense, looks like they're acting alone
TolyK - I feel like they're town, gave me a choice last night, claimed miller only under pressure on D1 which isn't great, but I want to like them
NJW - probably town? I mostly liked them on D1 and they really want to thunderdome Webadict which I respect
Fringe
NQT - is playing like complete poo poo, could just be town!NQT on a really really bad week, has misread the game at least half a dozen times it's kind of insane, is putting in a lot of effort even with the wheel spinning
Vector - not sure
Suspicious
Jack - very quiet for Jack, has a wait and see approach to the game, passive, I don't think their action on NQT is very strong as a clear even if confirmable by NQT
Webadict - I kept off Web on D1 since I wanted to see if mafia would kill him N1, that didn't happen, NJW really fucking wants him dead, Webadict is doing that thing where he spews a ton of bullshit and I think he's caused more harm than good in this game so far
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 10:14:30 pm
Tric mentioned early he's Soaked because he ended up targeting Jim, did I read that right Tric?
Jack could be Soaked because he targeted NJW (which goes to Jim), Knightwing, or Nakeen last night and is hiding it, not knowing how the Soaked worked. This would impy Jack isn't with Webadict if true since Web would just tell Jack how it works in private.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:15:55 pm
I mean, nobody even mentioned my absence at end of day 1.
My explanation for that is simple: I was sleeping and missed it. Sorry!
Working a lot today, so that limited my ability to post. I also didn't want to get in the middle of NJW & Web's thunderdome.
Since I didn't post much, there is no explanation of my vote for Vector, so I'll give that now. According to NQT's chart, Vector visited Web. And Knightwing64 claims any action directed at Web is redirected to Max. Vector was also on the Roden wagon. So overall, I suspect Vector.
@Vector: When you inspected Web and got a Town result, did your ability do anything else? Did you learn anything else about Web?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 19, 2022, 10:22:35 pm
I gave you DEEZ NUTZ
A classic
Never gets old
Never ceases to amuse me
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webadict and NJW2000 arguing
This seems pointless since I think both of you are town.
I have read the thread and my town read on NJW2000 didn't change as a result of the night action discussion.
NJW seems very willing to die if they can take you down with them Webadict.
Has there ever been an instance on this board of a scum player trying to thunderdome?
wall of text
Is this worth reading?
I skimmed through it.
Avast! I should note that it be extremely possible that scum double-act to some extent, given Juicebox (now confirmed by me to not be scum) has claimed an action that only works vs players who act more than once in a sequence.
Web, me hearty, if Vector be not the killer, then it's Nakeen?
I have to mention how much I despise looking for the night killer in BYORs and how much discomfort I have in the approach you're taking to Day 2 here.
Where are your reeeeeeeeeeads?
Fallacy did clarify that for me, the mafia kill is considered a factional power, not part of a role.
Why is somebody who's town and doesn't have a kill need to clarify this?
juicebox, please answer this.
Everything in this post confuses me. The reasoning doesn't for your actions doesn't make any sense.
Speculation:
Tric mentioned early he's Soaked because he ended up targeting Jim, did I read that right Tric?
Jack could be Soaked because he targeted NJW (which goes to Jim), Knightwing, or Nakeen last night and is hiding it, not knowing how the Soaked worked. This would impy Jack isn't with Webadict if true since Web would just tell Jack how it works in private.
I think EuchreJack's soaking is probably something we can't let go unanswered.
If soaking is spread like an infection like TricMagic indicates then EuchreJack could not have gotten soaked by targeting NQT like he claims.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 19, 2022, 10:24:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 10:25:42 pm
I can understand suspecting Vector for the Roden vote. I would like to see more if possible.
What do you think of my theory for why you're Soaked?
PPE:
EuchreJack, how did you get soaked?Exactly.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 19, 2022, 10:28:43 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:31:30 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 10:33:42 pm
I reviewed my night report. It appears that a large amount of water hit me.Why? Were you drunk?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 19, 2022, 10:33:57 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:40:41 pm
I wasn't asking for the flavor of how you got soaked.Strange, since you have the flavor of how you were soaked.
I AM asking you for the flavor of how you got soaked.
You claim it's an infection, like stepping in a puddle. In my case, it was like getting a bucket of water thrown upon me. So I'm curious as to how YOUR text reads.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 10:42:12 pm
Uh, no. That was the flavor text. Apparently, you didn't soak me...I reviewed my night report. It appears that a large amount of water hit me.Why? Were you drunk?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 19, 2022, 10:50:15 pm
The flavor is probably completely irrelevant for how the we got the status effects which is why I wasn't interested in it.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 10:54:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 19, 2022, 10:58:35 pm
1. Jack is hiding something.
2. NQT is hiding something.
3. Webadict also Soaked Jack and is hiding it.
4. Someone else Soaked just Jack and is hiding it.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 11:01:50 pm
My avatar got caught in searing flames and fell in a river.Oh. Mine seemed to imply that someone hit me with it. So I didn't know if the flavor meant anything until you posted your flavor.
The flavor is probably completely irrelevant for how the we got the status effects which is why I wasn't interested in it.
Maybe NQT wore a Raincoat or is Soak-immune due to being a Robot? While the Robot getting me wet because someone threw water on it is interesting, I think someone just didn't claim either a soak or a redirect.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:11:56 pm
When I got roleblocked my avatar slipped on something and did a faceplant before waking up hours later with TolyK's choice and Jim's nuts in my hands.Hey man, I didn't wanna roleblock anyone, I wanted to kill.
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:16:42 pm
I really did try to be murdered. Whatcha gonna do?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 11:35:58 pm
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 11:36:34 pm
Answering my question
I like this reasoning, it does seem pretty genuine to me.
I also like that they've put a little bit more effort in today.
Vector's been unusually quiet today, and their bandwagon vote onto Nakeen with no explanation doesn't sit right with me.
Web clearing Vector based on this purported revive also doesn't sit right with me, especially with them saying this before Vector could come back and say anything about their action, it gives
I'm still townreading Tric and Toony, not really sure about everyone else.
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 11:38:26 pm
Fallacy did clarify that for me, the mafia kill is considered a factional power, not part of a role.
Why is somebody who's town and doesn't have a kill need to clarify this?
juicebox, please answer this.
I wanted to know whether Now I Shall Explain What it Does could potentially reveal/disable the mafiakill, and that was the reason Fallacy gave for why it could not.
Post by: juicebox on October 19, 2022, 11:40:25 pm
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2022, 11:43:03 pm
@Web: What are your thoughts on Vector?Town. Assu.ing the revive was them. 9f not, then scummy because the way they said the inspect thing was weirdly out of place. But I am loke 99% sure it was them, hinting at the revive.
unvoteI literally thought it was NJW at first, I can only work at the speed of thoufht.Answering my question
I like this reasoning, it does seem pretty genuine to me.
I also like that they've put a little bit more effort in today.
Vector's been unusually quiet today, and their bandwagon vote onto Nakeen with no explanation doesn't sit right with me.
Web clearing Vector based on this purported revive also doesn't sit right with me, especially with them saying this before Vector could come back and say anything about their action, it gives
I'm still townreading Tric and Toony, not really sure about everyone else.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 19, 2022, 11:50:13 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 12:09:49 am
It's not just double actions at night, many players have day abilities (like myself and Juicebox). If mafia have day abilities that interfere with the following night we will have no idea and they'll be able to perform their night actions still.
Can someone confirm how redirections and busses are handled in this game? FoU does not inform players affected by them correct? That has been my assumption for player's behavior as I make this post.
This is a good point by Toonyman. Someone could do an action during the day, then a Night Action, then claim their day action as their night action.
Nakeen mentioned a delay action, and we know Fallacy games can feature such actions, so it's possible.
@Fallacy: Is there a default limitation that prohibits a player with both day and night actions from using one day action then another night action, one right after another?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 20, 2022, 12:30:28 am
@Fallacy: Is there a default limitation that prohibits a player with both day and night actions from using one day action then another night action, one right after another?No. By default, all players may use one Day action per Day and one Night action per Night.
Post by: TolyK on October 20, 2022, 02:25:07 am
Unvote, since Web can't both be the Night 1 target of Vector and scumbuddies with Vector. I don't think Vector did the night kill.Wait, but why not? It's an uncomfirmed action by Vector, that apparently inspected Web but hit the townie who happened to die... Nothing that can be confirmed except by wuba's "mod error" comment. And his non suspicion/town read of them. Non sequitir.
Could Vector have targeted with an untargetable mafia kill, for example? Or indeed it was redirect and not bus...
Post by: TolyK on October 20, 2022, 02:25:50 am
When I got roleblocked my avatar slipped on something and did a faceplant before waking up hours later with TolyK's choice and Jim's nuts in my hands.The choice? What one does with Jim's nuts. ;D
(that was a joke)
Post by: NJW2000 on October 20, 2022, 05:22:04 am
NJW2000 not believing the kill was redirected is nonsensical. I claimed having a Kill. I claimed several potential targets. I claimed where it was going. I see that as extreme evidence that scum kills me, regardless of player meta. I'm basically setting myself up to be killed/roleblocked/redirected.I don't have a perfect explanation why you'd do what you've been doing as scum, because I don't know exactly what happened in the night or what all the abilities of every member of the scum team are. However, as an experienced player you know that playing in unexpected ways can do massive damage to town's ability to understand the night, so yeah, everything you wrote was the worst kind of WIFOM.
He's still got to be under the belief that I either don't have a kill, and I killed Maximum Spin, in spite of having two confirmed Actions, OR that ToonyMan and I are scum together, OR that I do have a kill, and did everything I did as scum, including making myself easily trackable, explaining how my action would fail beforehand, and also getting a list of viable targets for some reason.
His reasoning is flawed, though I'm about to espouse WIFOM: Why would I claim my extra kill as scum? Why would I advocate for a mafiakill on Maximum Spin? I think that Maximum Spin is a terrible kill for me as scum, since it only makes me more likely to be found out, especially since Max and I look exactly the same. The only factor that goes against that is that I kill Maximum Spin because it makes me look innocent by association. That's a really dumb play, but it's a valid explanation.
I think he definitely is pushing that ToonyMan and I are scum together, though. He's made that abundantly clear. So, he's probably thinking that I'm covering for ToonyMan being Blocked.
I'd just like to hear his theory on that, since it's reasonable to suspect that he believe this in spite of how dumb it is.
The idea that scum would never claim a vig kill is also nonsensical.
You can scream over and over that you must be town and that the kill must have been aimed at you, but I'm just not going to believe it without actual mechanical confirmation. Hysterically defending yourself like this isn't a good habit, web.
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 05:55:56 am
I want to cut this "NQT be purposefully sloppy" line to the quick now. I puzzled out how the full set of claims fit together despite me initial mistakes and misreadings. Nobody said pirates were ever cautious and regimented!
Me only serious mistakes:
- Thinking "alpha" meant scum in me night results. "Alpha" musta put me in the mind of "alpha wolf". Wasn't til I rechecked my initial PM to see it were the other way around.
- Thinking KW did a bus not a redirection. That was a poor misreading, no excuse. Was being woolly headed. Maybe the weight of the bus I had in the last game making me jump to conclusions.
This Web vs NJW thing is unhelpful. On the chance that either of ye might both be town, can ye widen your scope?
Oh and Web, can ye fire the lurkertracker cannon?
TolyK, did ye ever explain why you left it until the end to claim miller? That's a borderline hanging offence.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 06:26:33 am
Post by: TolyK on October 20, 2022, 06:40:17 am
TolyK, did ye ever explain why you left it until the end to claim miller? That's a borderline hanging offence.
No, I did not explain. For one, I didn't (and don't) intend on remaining a miller for long. For two, I wasn't too active earlier in day 1. Finally, by now I've claimed a significant portion of my current role (and part of my non-current role); I was quite hesitant to give too much too fast, but after the other claim had realized that claiming miller after being investigated is quite dumb & counterproductive.
And I suspected (correctly!) that inspects are pretty much nerfed in this game anyways. Turns out target redirection is a big thing.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 06:44:11 am
The idea that scum would never claim a vig kill is also nonsensical.Name one game. The only games that come to mind are Serial Killers.
Who do you go after when you're wrong? Who am I paired with? Obviously, you have made up your mind, so why not start hunting my teammates? I think you tried a bit to think of these questions and could not, but I'd like to hear otherwise.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 06:45:14 am
We all make mistakes. That's how Escape from Monkey Island got made.
How do you think Jack got Soggy?
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 06:59:23 am
Also, yes, I am posting this to egg him on because I think anger motivates him and also I think his bad takes lose Town the game.
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 07:12:37 am
Toony, ain't that the sorry truth. I've yet to set course for it, but I'm cautiously optimistic for the Return to Monkey Island.
As for Jack's meeting with the drink, that's about the only mystery left (other than the Big One, who murdered our matey Max).
Let's review the evidence:
My Soak action is supposed to Soak anyone that targets my Soak target plus three other people I target (because fuck me, my actions suck, that's why). I targeted NJW but got Bussed, and I assume that the Bussing doesn't count for Soaking, but I'll ask Fallacy just in case. TricMagic getting Soaked now makes sense, since he targeted Jim, so that one's solved. EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.Possibility #1: EuchreJack has a free action, and used it to inspect me and then used his other action to target NJW and was bussed to Jim, and that's why he was soaked. He hasn't claimed because it was something nefarious.
EuchreJack has this to say:
Maybe NQT wore a Raincoat or is Soak-immune due to being a Robot? While the Robot getting me wet because someone threw water on it is interesting, I think someone just didn't claim either a soak or a redirect.
It's pure codswallop. I have no soaking-related abilities, raincoats or otherwise, and even if I did it's not clear how that would make EuchreJack wet. He's off course in a storm here. Then there's this:
I can confirm that both On Fire and Soaked status effects exist this game. Bit of a fire/water theme.
Possibility #2: NJW2000 is in some way related to soaking, given he knew about the effect on D1. What does the buccaneer know about soaking?
Possibility #3: Someone isn't claiming an additional redirect or soak because it be contradicting something else they already claimed.
Players might have double actions (arr, in fact, it's basically certain some do given Juicebox's ability) and so on top of the claims that currently fit together, one has done something extra, savvy?
Arrr, Web, did NJW answer yon question about his knowledge of soaking? I didn't spot it. Also, lurker tracker.
Post by: TolyK on October 20, 2022, 07:57:52 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 08:03:38 am
- Did the mutineers intend to throw Max overboard?
- Or were they targeting Webdadict?
- And was the cabin boy KW in on the act (like the failed scumredirection ploy in the last game)?
Web as someone who claimed a kill would have been an obvious target.
Seems ta me that there's a number of possible scenarios:
1. Scum really were among the low-posters, lurkers and non-voters and we should launch TolyK, Nakeen, Vector, and NJW in that rough order
2. Scum are a pack of fancy-playing privateers and are somewhere in Web, KW, Tric, EuchreJack, maybe even NJW: involved in complex web of synergising redirection actions to shuffle the kill around and launder themselves into having confirmed actions
3. Scum have a double actor (aye this is all but certain) and it was the traditional mix of a super-lurker, a background player and a power wolf.
NJW, pardon me bad old eye but I seem to recall you claiming why you bussed yourself with Jim. I just can't find the post now (searching has come up empty). Maybe I dreamt it?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 08:08:09 am
Toony seemed one of the least likely to be scum, at the time. Also seemed one of the more likely people to agree to the choice (don't recall the exact reason I thought so).You know me well.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 08:13:21 am
Aye, as a small addendum, I was being a blundering fool regarding Max, as we know the ole matey's actions (he inspected someone to whatever end) and we know he couldn't soak nobody. So TricMagic and Euchrejack's soaking is still unaccounted for...My Soak action is supposed to Soak anyone that targets my Soak target plus three other people I target (because fuck me, my actions suck, that's why). I targeted NJW but got Bussed, and I assume that the Bussing doesn't count for Soaking, but I'll ask Fallacy just in case. TricMagic getting Soaked now makes sense, since he targeted Jim, so that one's solved. EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.
Did Toony completely miss this post? Also, captain obvious EuchreJack. Getting hit by a wagonful of water is not fun.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 08:29:06 am
Quote from: Toony Wall
#568 Jim confirms they were soaked by Web...but again NJW bussed Web with himself so Web would have soaked NJW, not Jim.... Out of order, but bear with me. Do they mean targeted, or soaked. Web claims NJW should have died, which suggests they targeted them. Later on they say my setting Jim on fire saved them. (From Drowning most likely.) How many actions did Webadict do last night?
#557 - Webadict claims their action succeeded and that NJW should have died but didn't, so either someone targeted NJW or NJW is immune to being soaked.
#560 - Webadict claims they soaked Knightwing, Nakeen, and Jim, but not Jack and Tric.
... Webadict shouldn't know NJW's action at the time? Why do you know that webadict?
As for NJW avoiding the soak, there is a simple answer. The bus and redirectls supersede it in priority. So when they tried to target NJW, they hit Jim after NJW had targeted them. Doesn't explain Euchrejack, but would think someone is lying at the moment.
Of note, the claim that web tracked NJW to them is the result of my misinfo. And is somewhat misleading in structure, given it's me that tracked, not web. Does web get info from the soak?
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 08:31:54 am
The most likely target is Nakeen themselves I suppose. Though could be another of the three...
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 08:35:01 am
Yes, I mentioned I couldn't find it in my read through of the thread, but clearly you didn't read that because nobody fucking reads anything. I wanted to know how Tric knew how Web's Soaked worked, which Web himself didn't even feel like helping me with, so thank you Tric.Aye, as a small addendum, I was being a blundering fool regarding Max, as we know the ole matey's actions (he inspected someone to whatever end) and we know he couldn't soak nobody. So TricMagic and Euchrejack's soaking is still unaccounted for...My Soak action is supposed to Soak anyone that targets my Soak target plus three other people I target (because fuck me, my actions suck, that's why). I targeted NJW but got Bussed, and I assume that the Bussing doesn't count for Soaking, but I'll ask Fallacy just in case. TricMagic getting Soaked now makes sense, since he targeted Jim, so that one's solved. EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.
Did Toony completely miss this post? Also, captain obvious EuchreJack. Getting hit by a wagonful of water is not fun.
Also, I wonder why I couldn't find where Web claimed critically important information hmmm maybe because he's posting too fucking much like certain other players?
Imagine if each player needed to contribute an equal amount, do you believe scum would be easier to find? I think so, because players that post too much would need to think more carefully about what to say, and players that post too little would need to expose themselves more to others.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 08:36:46 am
This is addressed in the same post you are quoting.Quote from: Toony Wall#568 Jim confirms they were soaked by Web...but again NJW bussed Web with himself so Web would have soaked NJW, not Jim.... Out of order, but bear with me. Do they mean targeted, or soaked. Web claims NJW should have died, which suggests they targeted them. Later on they say my setting Jim on fire saved them. (From Drowning most likely.) How many actions did Webadict do last night?
#557 - Webadict claims their action succeeded and that NJW should have died but didn't, so either someone targeted NJW or NJW is immune to being soaked.
#560 - Webadict claims they soaked Knightwing, Nakeen, and Jim, but not Jack and Tric.
... Webadict shouldn't know NJW's action at the time? Why do you know that webadict?
As for NJW avoiding the soak, there is a simple answer. The bus and redirectls supersede it in priority. So when they tried to target NJW, they hit Jim after NJW had targeted them. Doesn't explain Euchrejack, but would think someone is lying at the moment.
Of note, the claim that web tracked NJW to them is the result of my misinfo. And is somewhat misleading in structure, given it's me that tracked, not web. Does web get info from the soak?
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Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 08:44:35 am
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:47:49 am
Anyway, I'll post reads soon.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 08:50:32 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 08:54:37 am
Arr, Webadict you scurvy lubber, I'm waiting on some answers from me last few posts. Hop to!
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 08:55:43 am
What's the point of writing a post midway through reading someone's post? I really don't understand how you think.
Jack for now.
PPE:
Toony, why are you mad about people posting? You've posted more than anyone. Actually, that might be me, but you and I are first and second, so it's hypocritical of you to complain.Because nobody is reading anything and even I can't find everything so there's a problem. I heavily dislike how difficult Web and NQT have made this game to understand. I hate miscommunication because there's no upside. I don't trust NQT so I want to understand the game by collecting my own thoughts on events/claims.
Anyway, I'll post reads soon.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 08:56:29 am
As a question, is it possible web and vector pantomimed the mod mistake to make vector seem town? Sure, the ability may actually exist, but they just used it as a method to kill Max with none the wiser. Played it by ear when the chance came up.No, it looks genuine to me.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:01:03 am
... Webadict shouldn't know NJW's action at the time? Why do you know that webadict?Here's the thing, Tric. You said NJW targeted me. I got a Revive through mod error. I assumed NJW gave me a revive.
Toony says that it was obvious that Knightwing Redirected me. I had received a Revive at that point. Redirects do not imply getting a Revive. Busses do. Toony and NJW refuse to accept this as a fact even though it is obvious. Would you like to ask Fallacy what happens in the event of a mod error? Personally, this flows perfectly:
I received Revive.
Max died.
Knightwing claimed Redirect.
I assume Bus because I still have Revive.
I assume Mafia NK me. This should prove I'm Town.
Tric says NJW targets me. I assume NJW gives revive and is Town.
I remember things and realize Jim is target. Therefore Jim is Town.
Vector claims inspect. I assume that means nothing.
Fallacy then says mod error, takes Revive away.
I am sad, but then assume Vector does Inspect.
I also assume that Mafia NK Max. Sufficient evidence that Knightwing action was not properly processed => Max NK target.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 09:05:45 am
I always do that when I wake up and post. Give my thoughts on posts from last night, try and figure out where the conversation went. Just happened that yours was literally most of it. Night two is still as clear as a storm though.
We've seem to have wasted a lot of time in mechanics NQT. My next question is thus... Lost my train of thought. Right, Behavorial. Who's mixing things, trying to push lynches, and who's being lynched. Also who's quiet, so Nakeen. I get we got a lot of posts, but the Lurker cannon won't lie once webadict actually fires it. Get to it webadict!
Way too early apparently. But I'm just low energy right now.
Ninweb. So it does...
Right, off for a bit. Check back in a bit.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 09:05:49 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 09:11:49 am
We've seem to have wasted a lot of time in mechanics NQT. My next question is thus... Lost my train of thought. Right, Behavorial. Who's mixing things, trying to push lynches, and who's being lynched. Also who's quiet, so Nakeen. I get we got a lot of posts, but the Lurker cannon won't lie once webadict actually fires it. Get to it webadict!I disagree with voting Nakeen.
Juicebox can confirm Nakeen only performed one action on N1.
I believe Nakeen is telling the truth about their delay on me.
I think Nakeen has been playing well enough D2 so I change my D1 opinion.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:14:03 am
You're stupid then Web and should have found getting the Revive strange, not go "ah Knightwing described a redirect but actually meant bus even though Toony and Nakeen reiterated it was a redirect but that would be THREE posts for me to read and I have no intention to read player's posts because I don't care and want to cause confusion with NQT and get in a shitshow with NJW look at me!".Okay, you know me, I never make any mistakes ever.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 09:15:44 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 20, 2022, 09:35:06 am
If Web asked a question about this, I missed it. He posts a lot more than I can, but doesn't always understand the things he reads, which takes up a lot of my time.
Arrr, Web, did NJW answer yon question about his knowledge of soaking? I didn't spot it. Also, lurker tracker.
Please do point me to the question though. Would be very helpful. Does it exist?
NJW, pardon me bad old eye but I seem to recall you claiming why you bussed yourself with Jim. I just can't find the post now (searching has come up empty). Maybe I dreamt it?Well, I thought I put them in my livejournal, but as it turned out, they're somewhere on the bottom of this page. Have a gander (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=110577).
Webadict: you did eventually answer my questions, but it was a very long post.
Spoiler: the most relevant part (click to show/hide)
Am I right that the gist is "NJW avoided scumtells and wasn't voting at the end of the day"? Because that's a remarkably weak case, and also not a defence of the D1 attack.
Also, "but MaximumSpin did all that" is never a defence.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:42:00 am
But, I can always accept being stupid Town. :)
How does this post sound to you? Because I can make it sound happier if it stops you from berating the entire Town. Put in some uwus and Pokememes. Will that help bring you back?
@NJW: Indeed, Max doing it isn't a defense. It's an attack on your attack because you'd be doing your attack on Max if I had died instead. It shows that your attack has less merits because it doesn't show scumplay at all.
Anyway, yes, I did try to kill you. I don't see it as wrong, I saw it as you trying to be inconspicuous. That was how I remember MVM3 or whichever one it was. This isn't wrong. I don't see trying to kill me for my play as inherently wrong. I see it the same way I see an inspection, but truer.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 09:50:10 am
Anyway, yes, I did try to kill you. I don't see it as wrong, I saw it as you trying to be inconspicuous. That was how I remember MVM3 or whichever one it was. This isn't wrong. I don't see trying to kill me for my play as inherently wrong. I see it the same way I see an inspection, but truer.Psychopathy Webadict. Do you want dead town over confirmed town?
Post by: TolyK on October 20, 2022, 09:52:29 am
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:55:39 am
I mean, one is technically the other. Dead scum is also confirmed scum. It's not wrong to be psychopathic.Anyway, yes, I did try to kill you. I don't see it as wrong, I saw it as you trying to be inconspicuous. That was how I remember MVM3 or whichever one it was. This isn't wrong. I don't see trying to kill me for my play as inherently wrong. I see it the same way I see an inspection, but truer.Psychopathy Webadict. Do you want dead town over confirmed town?
Also, rereading, I'm understanding why ToonyMan is calling me stupid Town. I literally quoted the post that said that Knightwing's action wasn't necessarily a confirmation. I actually don't remember that, as I was really fucking tired that day. All I remember was Knightwing cheering. I didn't even remember Toony posting his action, I got really fucking tunneled on the being saved part.
Well, dead town usually is confirmed town... :PAh, c'mon, I was gonna say that.
Post by: Mamobo on October 20, 2022, 10:01:35 am
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-> webadict --3-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420256#msg8420256), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420256#msg8420256), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420520#msg8420520),
EuchreJack --1-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420504#msg8420504),
Nakéen --1-- Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420109#msg8420109),
NJW2000 --1-- webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420324#msg8420324),
Vector --1-- notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420042#msg8420042),
Jim Groovester --0--
juicebox --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
notquitethere --0--
TolyK --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --6-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420404#msg8420404), Jim Groovester, juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420399#msg8420399), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419929#msg8419929), Nakéen, TolyK,
7 to Hammer. Day ends on October 16, 2022 at 02:00 Central Daylight Time (-104 hours and -1 minutes remaining.)
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 10:09:11 am
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 10:10:24 am
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 10:12:11 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 10:29:25 am
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 10:38:18 am
Post by: Vector on October 20, 2022, 10:57:54 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 10:59:57 am
Juicebox can confirm Nakeen only performed one action on N1.Aye this be a very salient point.
Web, quit ignoring me:
Arrr, Web, did NJW answer yon question about his knowledge of soaking? I didn't spot it. Also, lurker tracker.
I don't care about yer bickering, this seems to be an actual point of substance. I've done a read back and NJW claims he doesn't have an ability related to soaking but he did claim to know this is true. So did you unpick this NJW?
Bussing yerself with another player is an extremely marginal ability. Me ole gut says that there's more to NJW's power and the bussing is but an unwanted downside to its true purpose. The more I think about this claim the less I buy it. NJW didn't even think Jim was lock town on D1. This is the very last thing he said about peg leg Jim:
Lean Town:
Jim - need to see more from them but thus far helpful with reasonable insights, and not powerwolfing. Yes, I have too many meta-reads, but they're easy and reading games this big is tiring.
This, coupled with the evasion about soaking is bringing up destinations only NJW has the treasure map for...
NJW2000 you slippery son of an eel. Arr, answer me this:
1. How do ye know about soaking if it's not an ability?
2. What be the real purpose of your bus on Jim? I don't see you gloriously taking a bullet for someone you only think "leans town".
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 11:16:02 am
Web, quit ignoring me:? Sorry, I've probably not been paying enough attention. As far as I can remember, NJW hasn't answered about his knowledge of Soaking, but I'm not feeling super reliable at the moment.Arrr, Web, did NJW answer yon question about his knowledge of soaking? I didn't spot it. Also, lurker tracker.
I don't care about yer bickering, this seems to be an actual point of substance. I've done a read back and NJW claims he doesn't have an ability related to soaking but he did claim to know this is true. So did you unpick this NJW?
Bussing yerself with another player is an extremely marginal ability. Me ole gut says that there's more to NJW's power and the bussing is but an unwanted downside to its true purpose. The more I think about this claim the less I buy it. NJW didn't even think Jim was lock town on D1. This is the very last thing he said about peg leg Jim:
Also, I'm not bickering anymore, cool your jets. I think Jim's right, though, I think NJW might actually be Town. I'm making a list, but NJW isn't offscript from how he played in Demon Mafia, even his reliance on scumtells is in his first several posts there. I also think his reasoning is NAI, as there's reasons to bus with Jim as Town or Mafia. His bad takes are also NAI, as he makes some really horrible takes as Mafia, too, based on... one of them that I ran? I forget which one. But, I think that ToonyMan nails it correctly that he willingly sacrifices himself to vote me out, which is, just, really dumb, but I don't see him pulling off ridiculous stunts like that as Mafia, and his bad takes tend to be really innocuous and in the background, like MVM3 and the game I can't remember right now.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 11:18:32 am
Post by: Mamobo on October 20, 2022, 11:21:15 am
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Post by: NJW2000 on October 20, 2022, 11:24:33 am
I thought town!Jim was a plausible kill candidate. Not that many people scumreading him, strong player, able to power up town players. I also found his play relatively townie towards the end of the day, which I literally didn't have time to post about.
I also thought there might be scum shenanigans involving scum trying to redirect the items onto them or copy the ability or whatever, and I wanted to get all up in those. And finally, if he was scum, there was a chance he'd give himself an item and I'd get it, which would have been nice.
NQT: I literally did not know what the question was and you made me look for it. I'm pretty sure there wasn't actually a question.
If you have clearly stated mechanical questions, fine, but otherwise stop making me reread Web's ISO.
Toony: when you were considering scum!NQT, did you think his mistake today was real or fake? And if fake, do you think he actually has an inspect? Both possibilities seem a bit odd.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 11:33:40 am
Anybody want to make a list of them?
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 11:36:21 am
Here's some that were in there:
If I flip Town, who do you plan to go after?
If I flip scum, who do you plan to go after?
Why do you leave yourself out of people complicit in Roden's elimination?
What are the reasons to believe that I was and wasn't the target of the Mafiakill?
I’m almost positive that somebody who claimed to target Web is lying because there is no way to tell.Only you and Vector claimed targeting me, and I am confirming that both of those Actions are likely to have happened.
Anybody want to make a list of them?
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 11:48:21 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 11:49:28 am
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TolyK - 10
Nakeen - 7
Aye indeed the most quiet 3 were also the lowest posters on the first day. Arr... quality be not the same as quantity, but I have long observed that the most engaged players are usually not scum.
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 11:57:36 am
Spoiler: V Iso (click to show/hide)
Not a lot to be said there! I'm happy to drop anchor in Vector's port, so to speak, while we await the goods.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 12:02:23 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 12:04:46 pm
TolyK, did ye ever explain why you left it until the end to claim miller? That's a borderline hanging offence.
No, I did not explain. For one, I didn't (and don't) intend on remaining a miller for long. For two, I wasn't too active earlier in day 1. Finally, by now I've claimed a significant portion of my current role (and part of my non-current role); I was quite hesitant to give too much too fast, but after the other claim had realized that claiming miller after being investigated is quite dumb & counterproductive.
And I suspected (correctly!) that inspects are pretty much nerfed in this game anyways. Turns out target redirection is a big thing.
@Tolyk: WTF is up with this "I'm a miller yesterday, but I'll presumably waste some action just to not be a miller, even though I'm already tainted anyways." I don't see this as helpful to finding Scum. Could you explain further?
I'll drop mine in EuchreJack's instead.Thanks Tric. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 12:06:05 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 12:09:21 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 12:31:59 pm
# Unique Serious Targets by EOD D1:
High engagement
webadict - 5
Max 4
TricMagic - 4
notquitethere - 4
ToonyMan - 4
Default engagement
Roden 3
Jim Groovester - 3
EuchreJack - 2
juicebox - 2
Disengaged
NJW2000 - 1
Nakeen - 1
TolyK - 1
Knightwing64 - 1
Vector - 1
Well, no surprise the no-shows and new players are at the bottom. This chart can pick up lurkers and ineffective buccaneers... Aye, you can see the value in the metric in how high Roden and Max appear. Juice is a puzzle (and it's no surprise I was suspicious of the whelk), but unless he's a godfather OR redirect results can lie about the target in the PM AND I be redirected, then he's not scum.
What be the theory, ye may ask... well it's simple: loyal crew members are genuinely paranoid, suspicious of others and want to find scum. Most scum players, unless they be exceptional actors, want to have enough targets to seem active but not so many that they make enemies. Their natural inclination is to avoid bringing the wrath of the sea upon themselves.
I'm no saying that scum are all in the bottom set... but I am saying:
1. The most engaged probably be town (Web, me, Tric, Toony)
2. Third-parties and some of the scum are likely to be found among the least engaged, savvy?
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 12:40:58 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 20, 2022, 12:43:43 pm
Arr, here be the stats o post count up to and including today:
webadict - 63
notquitethere - 44
ToonyMan - 41
TricMagic - 24
EuchreJack - 17
Knightwing64 - 14
NJW2000 - 14
juicebox - 13
Jim Groovester - 12
Vector - 10
TolyK - 10
Nakeen - 7
Aye indeed the most quiet 3 were also the lowest posters on the first day. Arr... quality be not the same as quantity, but I have long observed that the most engaged players are usually not scum.
Wew, I at least thought KnightWing or Vector were behind me in the ladder. I will probably keep last place, I can't imagine posting to pad the count. And the less filler the better. The clock is ticking though and I won't be able to create an effort post until a while at least, but I will be able to answer questions.
Quick question to other players, has there been a case of a lunatic role that changes alignment every Day/Night cycle? Also I would love to get more info about the dragons because I'm not one, but I feel like it will just make us run in the wrong direction.
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 01:26:25 pm
That sounds like bullshitArr, I decided to check the last game to see if the theory still held water or whether it were a leaky vessel.
Spoiler: Supernatural D1 Unique Targets Non-RVS (click to show/hide)
Arr, and what I found were very interesting. The pattern more closely followed the classic 3-roles (I mentioned earlier (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420486#msg8420486)). You had me as the power wolf, throwing out votes everywhere, Persus blending in the middle o the pack, and Hector sleeping in the crows nest. If we applied the same pattern to this game, it'd give us a scum team like Web/Jack/Vector.
Interesting though, it gives us something of a meta read on some of the crew here. Aye, I'll go into that soon, but I have to nip to the shops for me grog n' ship's biscuits.
Until next time, yo ho ahoy!
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 02:03:55 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on October 20, 2022, 02:10:24 pm
And you haven't named a game with a vigkill claimed by the Mafia because there isn't one. Any game with Mafia having an extra kill is never claimed, including the only game I had an extra kill as Mafia in Sup10 that wasn't claimed. Because there's no point in claiming it as Mafia.You're repeatedly and I think intentionally ignoring the possibility that you are mafia with the scumkill. Mafia can lie. They can also kill, so can claim a kill action. Also, you did not demonstrate an extra kill, and while there is a mechanical explanation for this, I don't think there's proof you have one. It would be unusual for you to claim a vig kill as scum, but your scum game is unusual.
I am not going to rule out the possibility that you're scum just because you repeatedly yell that I should.
Please stop bothering me with this. You clearly have time for it, but I do not.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 02:26:07 pm
Web claims soaking a bunch of people and roleblocking me. Nobody has counter claimed and I can confirm both these things have happened. So while it's possible Web killed still I don't think they shot Max with a crossbow while also soaking people and blocking me (via Shock? Can Web explain what exactly roleblocked me because that was no shock) the same night.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 02:35:40 pm
Not a lot to be said there! I'm happy to drop anchor in Vector's port, so to speak, while we await the goods.I don't think it's Vector unless the Revive itself has other Actions tied to it or the Mafia have ways to shoot through it, which, like, possible. Vector isn't known to give me free things, as seen in MVM3.5, so my assumption is that their ability to give me stuff was tied to the inspect they claimed. The best reasoning you could give is that the inspect is a cover for them giving me a Revive or that the Revive actually is a cover for something negative. Regardless, I'm not willing to suspect them on that.
Overall, I don't see why you didn't jump on TolyK instead. I understand skipping Nakeen, since he's been under scrutiny here, but TricMagic and EuchreJack bring up good reasons to go after him.
I'll drop mine in EuchreJack's instead.Hmm... I'm not feeling EuchreJack yet. There's some behavior that seems scummy, but I have a feeling that he doesn't know anything, given his conversation with ToonyMan, he'd be much more likely to join in with NJW2000 and vote me if he were scum unless you think he's scum with me.
I do think that TolyK is a good person to probe, though.
Arr assuming me count is correct (could we have an automated list o' D1 votes? Can Mamobo do that right?), this here be a list of the number of people each player serious voted (i.e. I ignored votes immediately rescinded in the same post, and RVS votes). Cast yer eye upon this:I can do that, though it's not super organized, and I've been having some issues with Mamobo that I've been trying to fix in my spare time.
You said it was a possibility, which is true, but it's as easily dismissable if you have no cases proving your cases, especially when there are many cases disproving your case. You only feel like it's true, just like you feel like claiming Miller is NAI and that you feel like scumtells are scummy. There's significant evidence against what you're saying.And you haven't named a game with a vigkill claimed by the Mafia because there isn't one. Any game with Mafia having an extra kill is never claimed, including the only game I had an extra kill as Mafia in Sup10 that wasn't claimed. Because there's no point in claiming it as Mafia.You're repeatedly and I think intentionally ignoring the possibility that you are mafia with the scumkill. Mafia can lie. They can also kill, so can claim a kill action. Also, you did not demonstrate an extra kill, and while there is a mechanical explanation for this, I don't think there's proof you have one. It would be unusual for you to claim a vig kill as scum, but your scum game is unusual.
I am not going to rule out the possibility that you're scum just because you repeatedly yell that I should.
Please stop bothering me with this. You clearly have time for it, but I do not.
@NJW:My shock is a kill if the target is simultaneously Soaked and no one else targets them. If neither of those happen, they basically get "electrified" and roleblock their target. I don't get it, I didn't make the action, but that's how it works. I neglected to explain that part because it would've been explained in my roleflip or the target would've been died. I don't understand why it's convoluted, but those are my two strongest abilities.
Web claims soaking a bunch of people and roleblocking me. Nobody has counter claimed and I can confirm both these things have happened. So while it's possible Web killed still I don't think they shot Max with a crossbow while also soaking people and blocking me (via Shock? Can Web explain what exactly roleblocked me because that was no shock) the same night.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 02:42:51 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 02:43:33 pm
My shock is a kill if the target is simultaneously Soaked and no one else targets them. If neither of those happen, they basically get "electrified" and roleblock their target. I don't get it, I didn't make the action, but that's how it works. I neglected to explain that part because it would've been explained in my roleflip or the target would've been died. I don't understand why it's convoluted, but those are my two strongest abilities.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMF1epIXsAYDEeM.jpg)
So, apparently Jim got Tri Attacked. Would a player know they got zapped?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 02:55:23 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 02:59:51 pm
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EuchreJack voted NJW2000 [#67 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336)]
Roden voted NJW2000 [#69 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417341#msg8417341)]
juicebox voted Jim Groovester [#70 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342)]
notquitethere voted ToonyMan [#75 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417384#msg8417384)]
ToonyMan voted Nakéen [#76 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417405#msg8417405)]
webadict voted Roden [#77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417409#msg8417409)]
TricMagic voted TolyK [#105 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417493#msg8417493)]
notquitethere voted TricMagic [#108 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497)]
Roden voted TricMagic [#150 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631)]
TricMagic voted juicebox [#157 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417645#msg8417645)]
Maximum Spin voted notquitethere [#166 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678)]
webadict voted notquitethere [#167 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681)]
NJW2000 voted TolyK [#174 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695)]
Roden voted notquitethere [#191 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417752#msg8417752)]
Roden voted Maximum Spin [#193 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759)]
notquitethere voted TolyK [#203 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828)]
juicebox unvoted [#204 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831)]
ToonyMan voted EuchreJack [#210 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417853#msg8417853)]
TricMagic voted ToonyMan [#217 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417880#msg8417880)]
webadict unvoted [#223 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417900#msg8417900)]
TricMagic voted TolyK [#224 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417902#msg8417902)]
webadict voted TolyK [#225 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417919#msg8417919)]
Maximum Spin voted Roden [#240 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418020#msg8418020)]
Jim Groovester voted TolyK [#246 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058)]
webadict voted Roden [#249 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418084#msg8418084)]
EuchreJack voted juicebox [#262 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418123#msg8418123)]
EuchreJack voted NJW2000 [#294 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217)]
Nakéen voted TolyK [#318 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372)]
TricMagic unvoted [#324 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418382#msg8418382)]
notquitethere voted juicebox [#347 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437)]
ToonyMan voted NJW2000 [#348 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418442#msg8418442)]
Maximum Spin voted NJW2000 [#350 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418445#msg8418445)]
Jim Groovester unvoted [#364 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418469#msg8418469)]
webadict voted NJW2000 [#368 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418475#msg8418475)]
TricMagic voted juicebox [#392 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418509#msg8418509)]
TricMagic voted NJW2000 [#396 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523)]
NJW2000 unvoted [#402 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534)]
juicebox voted NJW2000 [#410 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548)]
TolyK voted juicebox [#412 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550)]
Knightwing64 voted TricMagic [#417 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562)]
ToonyMan unvoted [#423 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418569#msg8418569)]
Maximum Spin voted Jim Groovester [#437 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418586#msg8418586)]
webadict voted Jim Groovester [#438 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418587#msg8418587)]
webadict voted Roden [#460 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624)]
Vector voted Roden [#478 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652)]
Maximum Spin voted Roden [#486 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418660#msg8418660)]
Jim Groovester voted juicebox [#488 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418662#msg8418662)]
Nakéen unvoted [#502 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418676#msg8418676)]
juicebox voted Roden [#508 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418685#msg8418685)]
ToonyMan voted juicebox [#509 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418687#msg8418687)]
ToonyMan voted Roden [#538 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418725#msg8418725)]
Jim Groovester voted Roden [#539 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418726#msg8418726)]
notquitethere voted Roden [#540 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418728#msg8418728)]
Post by: juicebox on October 20, 2022, 03:37:58 pm
Finally got a little bit of down time today. I should be able to be more active later on tonight, and I'll also be able to get on my computer tonight. So as for NJW and Webadict, I think at least one of them is town, I don't think they both draw this much attention to themselves as w/w especially when Web's going to draw attention to themselves anyway.
Post by: juicebox on October 20, 2022, 03:47:02 pm
Jim is also hard to get a feel for, sometimes they don't seem very engaged, other times they're putting in posts with quite a bit of effort behind them.
Post by: juicebox on October 20, 2022, 03:58:00 pm
Tric has been doing much the same thing they've been doing day 1, which along with the information from D1 is enough for me to townread them right now.
Post by: juicebox on October 20, 2022, 03:58:56 pm
Post by: juicebox on October 20, 2022, 04:00:15 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 04:11:52 pm
So, apparently Jim got Tri Attacked. Would a player know they got zapped?Not as far as I know, but I can ask Fallacy.
I think TolyK's late miller claim is suspicious, however I feel they are working alone which makes them third-party at worst.You think so? I see TolyK's claim as a way to catch himself in a possible inspect, as he seemed the most worried about it. Turning it around twice isn't a good look. I see it as a bit panicky Town at best, but I don't think I see TolyK panicking with Miller claims, but I can't backup that claim without looking at TolyK's old games.
Jack I'm not sure of at this point. Think I need to do a couple of rereads on them to get more of a feel for them.I'm kinda feeling that same issue. A lot of my motivation hit a hard wall with a long Night. I kinda feel like the only person putting more than their share in are ToonyMan and NJW (and don't tell him I said this, but also Tric, probably), though I don't necessarily think ToonyMan is Town because of it. But he IS trying harder than most are, that's for sure.
Jim is also hard to get a feel for, sometimes they don't seem very engaged, other times they're putting in posts with quite a bit of effort behind them.
Additionally, my biggest concern with you is that your Actions make you very suspicious. Semi-rolecopping + no Action on Night 1 is pretty scum-sided. I can't say I don't think reading ToonyMan as Town is wrong, but it seems like it's easy to say. I think that you aim too much at people that are already in the lenses of others, and you don't spend enough time on me or Vector, especially when you have an unfinished post pointing out a potential link.
I feel you are scumlean at worst, though. The biggest issue is always the lack of action, but that's an extra factor on top of other minor issues.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 20, 2022, 04:41:14 pm
If KW is scum, someone has managed to successfully coach him, and his independent game has improved substantially. Meta read.
Ok, on a reread, there's a slim chance Web is town. He doesn't usually try this hard to create discord instead of successfully townhunt, but it's possible this is a reaction to people contradicting him more than usual. I'm a bit reminded of MVM4, when a confusing night and strong disagreement led to a purely mechanical focus.
I don't think NQT fakes a mistake about their role PM... it's extremely wild as a way to hurt town, however effective it may have been, and goes against their inclinations. The mistake from NQT only happens if NQT is mafia with a bunch of gunsmith inspections and 3p detection, and thinks they should elim a town player with a gun. This looks entirely possible... the idea Juicebox "probably" did the kill here in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419981#msg8419981), the preemptive attack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419991#msg8419991)on the idea juicebox would hold a kill. Even the dozens of poor reads thrown out at the same time as a claim that he'd basically caught scum looks odd... most players would immediately zero in on their night result, and probably start doing associative reads.
I can still see this as scum!NQT misreading their PM here and thinking this is an opportunity to kill a town vig and look clean.
His lack of contrition about wasting people's time also suggests a non-town mindset as NQT is usually a team player as town and quite gentle/supportive in scumchat. It is however possible that while mild-mannered NQT would blush bashfully after realising his mistake,
Nakeen still does not look particularly eager to solve the game. The posts today are doing stuff, but the stuff is mechanical, and doesn't always look entirely relevant to the elim.
Unsure about Toony. He looks town today, but he honestly wouldn't struggle to, it's an easy position. This (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419766#msg8419766) early post not admitting his watch was roleblocked looks like a town gambit. His votes yesterday do not look so good.
Nakeen: what's the balance of mechanical analysis and tone reading in your thought processes at the moment?
I.e., are you 100% trying to figure out who did the kill based on claims, or are you 50% focused on understanding the mechanical nature of the game and 50% focused on trying to figure out who's mafia from tone, or are you 80% going by tone, etc?
Post by: Nakéen on October 20, 2022, 04:57:08 pm
Nakeen: what's the balance of mechanical analysis and tone reading in your thought processes at the moment?
I.e., are you 100% trying to figure out who did the kill based on claims, or are you 50% focused on understanding the mechanical nature of the game and 50% focused on trying to figure out who's mafia from tone, or are you 80% going by tone, etc?
At the moment I am still very much 90% thinking in terms of mechanics, as I wasn't yet able to compile people answers to form tangible reads. To fuel my "tonal" analysis, I will focus mostly on taking a look at other players reactions or lack of reactions to my analysis.
I don't think I will have enough time to go on a full analysis of players interactions, and I will definitely make dumb mistakes if I try to go for it with the remaining time.
Post by: Nakéen on October 20, 2022, 05:01:11 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 05:10:14 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 05:12:52 pm
Arr, here be the stats o post count up to and including today:
webadict - 63
notquitethere - 44
ToonyMan - 41
TricMagic - 24
EuchreJack - 17
Knightwing64 - 14
NJW2000 - 14
juicebox - 13
Jim Groovester - 12
Vector - 10
TolyK - 10
Nakeen - 7
Aye indeed the most quiet 3 were also the lowest posters on the first day. Arr... quality be not the same as quantity, but I have long observed that the most engaged players are usually not scum.
Wew, I at least thought KnightWing or Vector were behind me in the ladder. I will probably keep last place, I can't imagine posting to pad the count. And the less filler the better. The clock is ticking though and I won't be able to create an effort post until a while at least, but I will be able to answer questions.
Quick question to other players, has there been a case of a lunatic role that changes alignment every Day/Night cycle? Also I would love to get more info about the dragons because I'm not one, but I feel like it will just make us run in the wrong direction.
Tolyk apparently. Yeah, let's vote them so they actually post something substantial before end of day.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 05:13:51 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 05:18:04 pm
And fer the record, me hearty, I was a mite bit contrite (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420041#msg8420041), aye, as apologetic as a brash and blustering buccaneer can muster. You'll like me better if we both make it to tomorrow, matey!
Nakéen, I have never seen rotating alignments in any other game, but, arr... it's not impossible. Just as likely as a shark in me pantaloons.
As promised, here be me meta reads from comparing the last game's vote frequency. Yargh, it be the exact same NQT fancy that you all love to ask me for and then ignore when I do, but I do fer me own desire to understand the crew:
Spoiler: Cross-Comparison Map between the two games (click to show/hide)
Avast! Let it be known there were seven players in common between the games. Here's how their # of unique targets compared:
Matey Max: Attacked 1 more person compared to when he was a 3rd party (who eventually sided with town)
Bosun TricMagic: Attacked 1 more person compared to when he was town.
Cap'n NQT: Attacked less people D1 this game compared to when he was power wolfing, though still in the top 2.
Quartermaster Jim: Had the same number of targets compared to when he was town.
First Mate EuchreJack: Attacked 3 less people on D1 compared to when he town.
Cabin Boy KW: Had one less target than when he was town (still low both times)
Arr, so far, so dull. But there be one big outlier in the midst... first mate EuchreJack. When he were a loyal crewman, he was MUCH more feisty. And now there's also the question mark over the unknown wet stain on his pantaloons...
Where was yer grit yesterday, man?
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 05:20:37 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 05:26:19 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 05:30:48 pm
Is anyone going to bother to answer any of my more recent questions?Which questions do ye have? Arr, only one recent, TolyK thee asked to enlighten ye. Before that, Vector the unseen did ye ask if the had info on our crazed webadict. What reason did ye have to vote'em at the time?
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 05:43:37 pm
Crazed makes me sound undignified. I'd like to think of myself as Adamant or Bold.Is anyone going to bother to answer any of my more recent questions?Which questions do ye have? Arr, only one recent, TolyK thee asked to enlighten ye. Before that, Vector the unseen did ye ask if the had info on our crazed webadict. What reason did ye have to vote'em at the time?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 06:33:41 pm
I'm tempted to say "Folks, just hammer me so I can go play Kenshi", but there is still work to be done.
Did Jim & Toony figure out whether to roast Jim's Nuts? (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419817#msg8419817)
Will Tolyk answer?
Will NQT actually explain his charts? We know he can't read them himself...
Hm, it appears that work has in fact severely limited my posts and comprehension of the game, as I only have questions to Vector and TolyK left unanswered (I think):
Respect for Toony's suspicions.
I mean, nobody even mentioned my absence at end of day 1.
My explanation for that is simple: I was sleeping and missed it. Sorry!
Working a lot today, so that limited my ability to post. I also didn't want to get in the middle of NJW & Web's thunderdome.
Since I didn't post much, there is no explanation of my vote for Vector, so I'll give that now. According to NQT's chart, Vector visited Web. And Knightwing64 claims any action directed at Web is redirected to Max. Vector was also on the Roden wagon. So overall, I suspect Vector.
@Vector: When you inspected Web and got a Town result, did your ability do anything else? Did you learn anything else about Web?
TolyK, did ye ever explain why you left it until the end to claim miller? That's a borderline hanging offence.
No, I did not explain. For one, I didn't (and don't) intend on remaining a miller for long. For two, I wasn't too active earlier in day 1. Finally, by now I've claimed a significant portion of my current role (and part of my non-current role); I was quite hesitant to give too much too fast, but after the other claim had realized that claiming miller after being investigated is quite dumb & counterproductive.
And I suspected (correctly!) that inspects are pretty much nerfed in this game anyways. Turns out target redirection is a big thing.
@Tolyk: WTF is up with this "I'm a miller yesterday, but I'll presumably waste some action just to not be a miller, even though I'm already tainted anyways." I don't see this as helpful to finding Scum. Could you explain further?I'll drop mine in EuchreJack's instead.Thanks Tric. :P
@NQT: I think, if I were in fact awake for end of day, I would have voted...NJW. Bad reads, useless double votes, yeah don't see why I should have voted elsewhere. Also trying to stay more on votes to increase their impact. But I'm not sure what I did Monday, so whatever.
@Knightwing: Could you avenge me when I get lynched? Find the scum at fault. Don't trust Toony too much (or too little). He might be town, but he's a poopy head. He'll probably blame himself and do stupid shit for a couple days.
Vector targeted Web, and anything targeting Web got redirected to Max.Is anyone going to bother to answer any of my more recent questions?Which questions do ye have? Arr, only one recent, TolyK thee asked to enlighten ye. Before that, Vector the unseen did ye ask if the had info on our crazed webadict. What reason did ye have to vote'em at the time?
I've since revised that, since Web has so heavily defended Vector. So the theory of Vector killing Web means scum's ELITE STRATEGY was to kill themselves.
Also: You're not a pirate, NQT is the pirate. Knock it off, yer scurvy dog.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 20, 2022, 06:35:43 pm
@Fallacy: Is there a dead chat?Yes.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 06:38:53 pm
@Web: You have Soak. Any idea whether it's a Spreadable On Any Kontact, or is Jim just making up things due to Noita deprivation?
Best news all day. I can die happy now.@Fallacy: Is there a dead chat?Yes.
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 06:42:36 pm
Pokes Fal with a stick. I know that means there aren't any revives around.@Fallacy: Is there a dead chat?Yes.
You going to walk the plank Jack? Sleep with the fishies? Meet Davy Jones in his locker?
Post by: NJW2000 on October 20, 2022, 06:58:42 pm
I want to see NJW's face when he sees me flip, it's gonna be great. If you could take a picture, I would appreciate it.This is +scum equity, but sure, I'll take the picture if we do.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 07:02:03 pm
TricMagic: Misreading night results lists, jumping on any wagon he sees, eager to hunt. Yeah, this is the Town!Tric motto.
notquitethere: Arcane charts only he can misread. I dunno, I just want to see the next personas, and I don't see anything tripping my scumdar, so place as Town.
Knightwing64: Slightly more active, trying to play the game. Town that needs a solid poking, like always as Town.
ToonyMan: Could be a complete screwjob, but this seems like dumbtowntoony.
webadict: I can see Web soaking me, not telling anyone, then waiting until a wagon builds on me just to see the results. All as town!web. I could see town!web even sacrificing me to the wagon for info. Thanks Web.
juicebox: Since I'm choosing to believe NQT, that means juicebox probably has no kill, unless Godfather. But I'm not sure how NQT's ability even affects Godfather.
Now we're getting to the "I have no fucking clue"
Jim Groovester: Too cool for town? I really sympathize with wanting to play video games and family obligations.
Vector: Will get back to us later. Probably.
Suspects:
Nakéen: Some good analysis, but do we know what they did last night?
NJW2000: Oh look. He's just picking a fight with one player and double voting him all day. Real valuable use of that double vote.
TolyK: Yes, I continue to vote them.
Now I'm going to watch Young Sheldon.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 07:12:40 pm
I haven't read the thread yet.
I resolved TolyK's choice and the result was very good. It's actually similar to Jim's nuts but I can also use it to make a kill action piercing. Jim should know what the other thing is since it's basically the same thing he gave me. Jim and TolyK should not reveal what this other ability is.
I think TolyK is very likely to be town or third-party here, not mafia. Their ability basically makes a townie very good, or gives scum the ability to bypass protections. This strikes me as a not mafia role and balanced in the fact that TolyK has to risk making a mafia very powerful instead of a townie if they whiff.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:18:24 pm
Also, I tend to Suspect Web, since the most likely reason I'm soaked is because Web just lied about his targets, excluding me.That's a great acronym. It was indeed spreadable. That's how TricMagic got hit. I really do think Vector is Town, those revive powers are mmm, delicious.
@Web: You have Soak. Any idea whether it's a Spreadable On Any Kontact, or is Jim just making up things due to Noita deprivation?Best news all day. I can die happy now.@Fallacy: Is there a dead chat?Yes.
Reads List:Hmm... Yeah, okay, I Soaked Jack. Let's not vote him out. This is a bad wagon and a solid reads list.
TricMagic: Misreading night results lists, jumping on any wagon he sees, eager to hunt. Yeah, this is the Town!Tric motto.
notquitethere: Arcane charts only he can misread. I dunno, I just want to see the next personas, and I don't see anything tripping my scumdar, so place as Town.
Knightwing64: Slightly more active, trying to play the game. Town that needs a solid poking, like always as Town.
ToonyMan: Could be a complete screwjob, but this seems like dumbtowntoony.
webadict: I can see Web soaking me, not telling anyone, then waiting until a wagon builds on me just to see the results. All as town!web. I could see town!web even sacrificing me to the wagon for info. Thanks Web.
juicebox: Since I'm choosing to believe NQT, that means juicebox probably has no kill, unless Godfather. But I'm not sure how NQT's ability even affects Godfather.
Now we're getting to the "I have no fucking clue"
Jim Groovester: Too cool for town? I really sympathize with wanting to play video games and family obligations.
Vector: Will get back to us later. Probably.
Suspects:
Nakéen: Some good analysis, but do we know what they did last night?
NJW2000: Oh look. He's just picking a fight with one player and double voting him all day. Real valuable use of that double vote.
TolyK: Yes, I continue to vote them.
Now I'm going to watch Young Sheldon.
Ha, I can't believe you're still giving me scum equity.I want to see NJW's face when he sees me flip, it's gonna be great. If you could take a picture, I would appreciate it.This is +scum equity, but sure, I'll take the picture if we do.
Post by: Mamobo on October 20, 2022, 07:19:29 pm
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-> EuchreJack --4-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420504#msg8420504), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420530#msg8420530), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420649#msg8420649), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420653#msg8420653),
TolyK --2-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420644#msg8420644), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420661#msg8420661),
webadict --2-- NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420256#msg8420256), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420256#msg8420256),
Nakéen --1-- Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420109#msg8420109),
Jim Groovester --0--
juicebox --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
NJW2000 --0--
notquitethere --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
Vector --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --5-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420399#msg8420399), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419929#msg8419929), Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419929#msg8419929), Nakéen, TolyK,
8 to Hammer. Day ends on October 21, 2022 at 20:00 Central Daylight Time (~24 hours remaining).
Post by: TricMagic on October 20, 2022, 07:24:26 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 07:24:40 pm
Hmm... Yeah, okay, I Soaked Jack. Let's not vote him out. This is a bad wagon and a solid reads list.
You fucker.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:26:50 pm
I'll admit, that was really fucking funny. I wish Max was hear to enjoy this. That one was for you, buddy!
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 07:27:30 pm
EXPLAIN THINE SELF
Can soaking someone kill them?
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:28:35 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:29:33 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:30:15 pm
... webadict. I' am seriously starting to doubt you.Frankly, deserved.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 07:31:04 pm
Yeah bullshit.
webadict
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 07:32:37 pm
Hmm... Yeah, okay, I Soaked Jack. Let's not vote him out. This is a bad wagon and a solid reads list.(https://i.imgur.com/3S1NJty.jpg)
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:34:25 pm
'I actually knew that I soaked EuchreJack the entire time and rather than clarify this for the people raising this as a question I decided to let this misunderstanding continue just to see what would happen'I wanted more information. Voting EuchreJack on the Soaking alone is a terrible premise. It really undermines playing the Day game. I frankly deserve to be voted out, but I promise you I'm Town.
Yeah bullshit.
webadict
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:35:17 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 07:35:59 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:37:57 pm
NGL Web, I don’t know if I’m going to vote you right now, but this kinda made me lose any trust I had for you.But you gotta admit, that was reeeeeally funny, right?
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 07:38:27 pm
But this buccaneer be three sheets to the wind if he thinks that this kind of play makes sense.
(Arr, unless the goal is "fill the day with more turns than a port-side cathouse"...)
Unvote while we unpick, aye.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 07:42:02 pm
NGL Web, I don’t know if I’m going to vote you right now, but this kinda made me lose any trust I had for you.But you gotta admit, that was reeeeeally funny, right?
I'm pissed
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 07:42:33 pm
'I actually knew that I soaked EuchreJack the entire time and rather than clarify this for the people raising this as a question I decided to let this misunderstanding continue just to see what would happen'I wanted more information. Voting EuchreJack on the Soaking alone is a terrible premise. It really undermines playing the Day game. I frankly deserve to be voted out, but I promise you I'm Town.
Yeah bullshit.
webadict
Did you actually learn anything? Tell me.
If you're actually town, fuck you. It's not like BYORs aren't complicated enough already without people intentionally trying to frustrate analysis.
Man I fucking love it when people PURPOSELESSLY waste my time.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:45:58 pm
Dude.NGL Web, I don’t know if I’m going to vote you right now, but this kinda made me lose any trust I had for you.But you gotta admit, that was reeeeeally funny, right?
I'm pissed
It was all just a prank.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 07:46:55 pm
Dude.NGL Web, I don’t know if I’m going to vote you right now, but this kinda made me lose any trust I had for you.But you gotta admit, that was reeeeeally funny, right?
I'm pissed
It was all just a prank.
*finger twitches
Post by: notquitethere on October 20, 2022, 07:48:02 pm
Web, me old salt, while this has been amusing (for ye at least), it is very peculiar way to spend the day wasting everyone's time w' speculation and the like. Any reason? Just larking? Care to spin us a new one on how yer power actually works?
Aye and what it does look like is either town-web tryna save town-euchre now he sees his nonsense has landed someone on the plank. OR scum-web saving scum-euchre. Scum-web doesn't save town-euchre in this scenario, does he?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 07:50:46 pm
There's amusing yourself with innocuous bullshit like repeatedly posting DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ to literally no one else's amusement, and then there's misleading and frustrating the good faith efforts of multiple players without good cause.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:51:44 pm
Also, fuck you, this isn't funny.I disagree. This is funnier by 10 or so magnitudes. Memes are temporary. Extreme emotional manipulation is family.
There's amusing yourself with innocuous bullshit like repeatedly posting DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ to literally no one else's amusement, and then there's misleading and frustrating the good faith efforts of multiple players without good cause.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 07:52:57 pm
GET FUCKEDDDDDD
EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION DEEZ NUTS
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 07:53:47 pm
GOTTEM
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 07:55:33 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 07:58:42 pm
Either Web is scum
Or is the most assholish person to ever exist and made a joke that made everybody hate him.
Eitherway,
Web does deserve to go.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:01:58 pm
Bro webI know I'm an asshole. I just want to make sure EuchreJack doesn't get voted out incorrectly. He seems Town.
Either Web is scum
Or is the most assholish person to ever exist and made a joke that made everybody hate him.
Eitherway,
Web does deserve to go.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 20, 2022, 08:02:31 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:05:37 pm
Ur reverse psychology won’t work on me.It's regular psychology. I literally think EuchreJack is Town and he's being voted poorly.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 08:07:56 pm
Also, fuck you, this isn't funny.
There's amusing yourself with innocuous bullshit like repeatedly posting DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ to literally no one else's amusement, and then there's misleading and frustrating the good faith efforts of multiple players without good cause.
Wow, this statement is completely wrong in every way. Town points to Jim.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:15:13 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2022, 08:16:39 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:25:00 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:30:09 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:33:58 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 08:37:52 pm
Currently, no, Jack is still mafia to me. The entire reason I suspect them is because of their behavior and weak claim. I speculated about the soak thing after as additional reasons for why he could be suspicious as being soaked implies they targeted somebody they didn't! Thank you for wasting my brain power Web. Let me read the thread now.
Post by: Nakéen on October 20, 2022, 08:43:38 pm
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 08:58:59 pm
I'm still fuming and need to catch up on the thread. I wouldn't post...composed if I stayed around here the last 20 minutes.No problem, bro!
Currently, no, Jack is still mafia to me. The entire reason I suspect them is because of their behavior and weak claim. I speculated about the soak thing after as additional reasons for why he could be suspicious as being soaked implies they targeted somebody they didn't! Thank you for wasting my brain power Web. Let me read the thread now.
My role is It's only a prank, bro! [GONE WRONG!] [GONE SEXUAL!]
During the Night, I can perform two actions, as long as one of them is an epic prank, bro!
I can negligently set up a bucket of water over someone, Soaking them and anybody that I feel like because it's just a prank, bro.
I can electrocute my roommate, bro! If they're Soaked and no one is making sure they're safe (aka, targeting them), they die, WHOOPS! Otherwise, they're resuscitated and thank their target profusely, blocking them!
I can drive my car off a ramp without telling my passenger! We both are untargetable for the Night, but if they used a Kill action during the Night, it stops working, because we're both in the hospital!
I can make a sandwich with actual sand in it and feed it to someone! My target loses all of their shots from a random shotted ability!
I can start a fight with a random stranger! If they were targeting someone, they target me instead! If they're using a kill action, it's posted publicly to the thread when I upload the sweet clip.
I can threaten someone over the phone! The police show up and give them protection for 2 Nights!
I can poison my friends! This one causes two targets to become Poisoned, forcing them to only perform no Actions during the following Night because they can hardly move.
I can make a "fake" bomb jacket! This one kills me as I accidentally wire a real bomb to it, but also removes someone's entire role because of the explosion.
Just didn't want my good pal EuchreJack to get executed when he was totally innocent, bro!
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:28:02 pm
I'm still fuming and need to catch up on the thread. I wouldn't post...composed if I stayed around here the last 20 minutes.I disagree, he's been pretty Town as far as I can tell, and I don't want him voted out. And I'm willing to throw myself on the fire to prove he's Town. Otherwise, I'm letting an innocent man die. This is how you defend someone.
Currently, no, Jack is still mafia to me. The entire reason I suspect them is because of their behavior and weak claim. I speculated about the soak thing after as additional reasons for why he could be suspicious as being soaked implies they targeted somebody they didn't! Thank you for wasting my brain power Web. Let me read the thread now.
I'm still willing to vote out TolyK or even possibly Nakeen, though, but that's assuming I get to choose.
I'm unwilling to let EuchreJack get voted out though.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 09:37:36 pm
I do want to post quickly that I'd like to see a bit more out of Nightwing and TolyK, I don't have nearly enough from them to get a solid feel on them yet.
Spoiler: I am welmed (click to show/hide)
TolyK and Juicebox are suspiciousI disagree.
Brief thoughts.This is a good post.
YarrThis is a good post.
Tolyk
TolyKI'm like 90% sure TolyK isn't mafia after the choice resolved (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420682#msg8420682).
Also, I tend to Suspect Web, since the most likely reason I'm soaked is because Web just lied about his targets, excluding me.
webadict: I can see Web soaking me, not telling anyone, then waiting until a wagon builds on me just to see the results. All as town!web. I could see town!web even sacrificing me to the wagon for info. Thanks Web.This doesn't make any sense. You suspect Web and then immediately townread them for the same reasons.
PPE:
I disagree, he's been pretty Town as far as I can tell, and I don't want him voted out. And I'm willing to throw myself on the fire to prove he's Town. Otherwise, I'm letting an innocent man die. This is how you defend someone.Too bad.
I'm still willing to vote out TolyK or even possibly Nakeen, though, but that's assuming I get to choose.No.
I'm unwilling to let EuchreJack get voted out though.I will continue to vote Jack just to spite you.
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:50:15 pm
Rude, but admirable. I can't even be mad, given what I just claimed. I'm wondering if you would do that as Town or not, and I think you probably would as either. That's hard to decipher.I'm unwilling to let EuchreJack get voted out though.I will continue to vote Jack just to spite you.
What happens when either of us flips Town?
Post by: webadict on October 20, 2022, 09:57:53 pm
I don't really like doing this, even if I'm pretending that I am, but I'm really against EuchreJack being voted, and I would like to advocate for someone else. Is there an alternative that you would be amenable to?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 10:59:40 pm
I should go reread Day 2 in light of this new revelation but I'm still aggravated and annoyed.
haha lol justaprank ha ha ha ha ha ha :|
webadict, please answer the following:
Why did you decide to withhold that you soaked EuchreJack?
What did you learn by withholding that you soaked EuchreJack?
Would you have revealed that you soaked EuchreJack if he hadn't collected votes?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 11:13:20 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 20, 2022, 11:20:33 pm
I was reading D1 as well since I want to figure out who Web and Jack are with if there's a third. I think a third mafia makes the most sense with either Vector or Tric. Maybe I'll do an opinion piece for D1 as well if I'm feeling really spicy. That's not happening tonight but maybe tomorrow.I'm currently leaning Web/Jack/Vector because Tric is town-clearing Jim, among some other things. Mafia should have killed Tric last night like I recommended.
There's probably a 50% chance TolyK is third-party, but if we kill three-ish mafia and the game doesn't end we can just kill TolyK.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 20, 2022, 11:37:31 pm
There's also how aggravated I am with webadict that motivates wanting to test within that group as well.
Post by: Vector on October 20, 2022, 11:53:41 pm
But, someone should shoot him.
I haven't followed a lot of today, but I'm going to say that as someone who isn't really familiar with Roden's scum vs. town meta, what I saw was that I couldn't vote obvscum Nakeen (who I am still voting by the way because his D1 posts were passive garbage, something that has not changed) and at the time I didn't like the NJW bandwagon. I'm convinced that Juicebox is town... well, I was. That's wavering a little bit now but I'm willing to clear them for Today.
Point being, yeah, I reread the game, I pulled quotes, I thought that Roden was scummy but Nakéen was scummiest. I couldn't vote Nakéen but I took the second-best option. That's that.
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 12:01:54 am
webadict made me angry enough to make me ask myself whether what I was doing was actually worth my time which resulted in me working out which I hadn't done in a month. So thanks, webadict.You're gonna get jacked, bro! I swapped out your protein powder for BROTEIN BROWDER.
I should go reread Day 2 in light of this new revelation but I'm still aggravated and annoyed.
haha lol justaprank ha ha ha ha ha ha :|
webadict, please answer the following:
Why did you decide to withhold that you soaked EuchreJack?
What did you learn by withholding that you soaked EuchreJack?
Would you have revealed that you soaked EuchreJack if he hadn't collected votes?
As for your questions:
1. I had a fever dream where it would be a hilarious thing to do. And you know me. I'M a fever dream every day of my life.
2. I learned it's really easy to vote Jack for bad reasons.
3. I dunno, I didn't plan that far ahead.
::)I was reading D1 as well since I want to figure out who Web and Jack are with if there's a third. I think a third mafia makes the most sense with either Vector or Tric. Maybe I'll do an opinion piece for D1 as well if I'm feeling really spicy. That's not happening tonight but maybe tomorrow.I'm currently leaning Web/Jack/Vector because Tric is town-clearing Jim, among some other things. Mafia should have killed Tric last night like I recommended.
There's probably a 50% chance TolyK is third-party, but if we kill three-ish mafia and the game doesn't end we can just kill TolyK.
Okay, so what do I do when Jack flips Town? Do I get to die, too? That'd be preeeeetty epic!
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 12:11:38 am
As for your questions:
1. I had a fever dream where it would be a hilarious thing to do. And you know me. I'M a fever dream every day of my life.
2. I learned it's really easy to vote Jack for bad reasons.
3. I dunno, I didn't plan that far ahead.
I was hoping for a convincing rationale that would make me not want to vote you or EuchreJack.
I really should go reread the game but I doubt I do that tonight.
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 12:21:04 am
I'm kinda passed rational arguments at this point, don't you think? I think that EuchreJack is Town. And if I get voted out, then oh well, I gave it a shot, but also, I get to prove ToonyMan and NJW wrong, so that's the real win here.As for your questions:
1. I had a fever dream where it would be a hilarious thing to do. And you know me. I'M a fever dream every day of my life.
2. I learned it's really easy to vote Jack for bad reasons.
3. I dunno, I didn't plan that far ahead.
I was hoping for a convincing rationale that would make me not want to vote you or EuchreJack.
I really should go reread the game but I doubt I do that tonight.
Post by: Nakéen on October 21, 2022, 01:05:11 am
Soak and webadict
On the webadict case. Due to witholding information about the soaking, his trust has plummeted and so has the trust in Soak. It appears to me to have been a clever but mishandled plan to force players into showing their hands. The unknown factor of the Soaked status generated confusion and doubt, causing players to be more willing to share their actions.
Web's bizarre case:
On D1 claims to have a Kill action, drawing attention and setting themselves up to die or be roleblocked. Knightwing claimed to have protected them, redirecting actions to Maximum Spin.
+ Combined with the Soaked fiasco, we have:
-> if webadict is Mafia, then Mafia!web is pulling some incredible gambit by making themselves purposefully so disruptive we would double guess and not vote them. OR they are protecting someone with more useful abilities.
-> if web Mafia, then Knightwing is either an unaware Town, or a Mafia that followed some convoluted plan with a high chance of blowing in their face if it failed. To me it increases the odds of KnightWing being Town.
-> if webadict is Town, then all of this is a gamble gone wrong, or a gamble still in process to oust mafia/town/3rd parties.
-> Knightwing could then be a Mafia trying to look good, who got caught up in the gambit.
If webadict flips Mafia then Jack would logically be next, unless it is another gambit to make us think they want to drag Jack with them.
So to sum up. webadict is either piling gambits and/or hiding more things, or made a bizarre mistake that is exploding in their face.
To me KnightWing is Town.
Dragon Highlanders?
Dragons have been rather open about their existence to me, leading me to believe that they are unlikely to be Mafia. Why ?
Because we were told that Dragons get some benefits from outlasting other Dragons. It creates an incentive to find and kill other Dragons if they are on opposite teams, or 3rd party.
None of the players killed were Dragons. And Tric the most definitely Dragon is alive. This leads me to believe that Dragons are either very careful, or not tying to kill other Dragons.
Given Tric is alive, it is likely none of the claimed Dragons are mafia. The Dragon Highlander claim was made on D2, so a Mafia!Dragon would in all likelihood killed Tric. Unless they were coordinating, it means this is not detrimental to dragons to reveal this mechanic. They may be a 3rd party with their own wincon though, but that also seems unlikely.
To me TricMagic is Town.
ToonyMan's Merry Men
A core is also forming around Toony, composed of TolyK and Jim. Toony confirmed the two, who seem to trust Toony, which leads me to believe it is unlikely all of them are mafia.
Cannot have Mafiakilled
Cannot be ToonyMan who got roleblocked and delayed.
Cannot be Knight or Tric (because I see them as Town)
Voting webadict.
I will then Delay Vector because they technically targeted web, which was deflected on Spin. I can't trust the supposed GM mistake web made as it could still be a bluff.
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 01:09:31 am
webadict.
That's Hammer.
Post by: TolyK on October 21, 2022, 02:09:58 am
And I had a whole post and everything. Well, okay.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 21, 2022, 04:41:24 am
No, I calculated correctly.
webadict.
That's Hammer.
Loserrrrr
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 21, 2022, 05:18:54 am
@Fallacy: Would we know if Maximum Spin was Soaked?Forgot this earlier. Yes.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (1): ToonyMan
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (1): EuchreJack
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (7): NJW2000, NJW2000, TricMagic, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Nakéen, webadict
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: juicebox, Knightwing64, notquitethere, TolyK
8 to hammer.
webadict eagerly and with a strange form of glee places the seventh vote upon himself. Moments pass, then minutes, then hours, as you wait for his death to arrive.
Eventually, Most Elder pokes his head into the room and reminds you all that the current number of votes required to trigger a hammer is eight, not seven. To trigger a hammer, the majority of all votes must be placed on a single player, and seven votes is half the votes - not a majority.
In the absence of a hammer, the Day will end today - October 21st - at 8 PM Central time, in approximately 15 hours time.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 21, 2022, 05:22:08 am
I have to manually double vote.
HA
WEB
YOU THOUGHT
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 05:29:38 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 05:38:41 am
The less hopeful interpretation be that he's a foul mutineer who has wanted to suck up all the discussion on himself to save his hapless plotters.
Tis a frightful mess.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 06:30:56 am
Maybe he is scum and his team mate needed to be the one that lived. Especially if he has a revive without a flip.
EuchreJack, you're extremely lackadaisical about this whole thing. Taking the lies as a funny jape, and not something that almost got you ejected. What do you think Web's plan o' action was here?
And for that matter, what's to explain about me charts? They're all straightforward enough, even for a non-navigator.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 07:09:58 am
:|Let loose my friend.
And I had a whole post and everything. Well, okay.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 21, 2022, 07:24:25 am
unvote unvote though, I'm not 100% and I don't fancy letting him control the elim.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 08:14:07 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 08:14:29 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 08:21:01 am
(pirate speak device o' translation): Arr ye landlubber! I thought somethin' been off, ye've been buildin' a town core the entire time. Most o' us be town, but there's one person who ye 'aven't argued with yet. Toonyman themselves! ye two always argue when ye be on opposite sides, what's changed!
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 08:34:36 am
I resolved TolyK's choice and the result was very good. It's actually similar to Jim's nuts but I can also use it to make a kill action piercing. Jim should know what the other thing is since it's basically the same thing he gave me. Jim and TolyK should not reveal what this other ability is.The kill piercing is the other half of the ability. That part of the gift is completely useless to me because I have no kill.
I think TolyK is very likely to be town or third-party here, not mafia. Their ability basically makes a townie very good, or gives scum the ability to bypass protections. This strikes me as a not mafia role and balanced in the fact that TolyK has to risk making a mafia very powerful instead of a townie if they whiff.
The beneficial part I can actually use is very good for town. Jim and TolyK have both given me very power item (Jim) or ability (TolyK) of their own free will, well mostly for Jim since I was choosing his possible targets heh.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 08:42:22 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 21, 2022, 08:42:37 am
I agree that he genuinely asked for those votes... it looked like a self-hammer to shut down discussion, stop Vector or TolyK contributing much, etc. One question though:
Maybe he is scum and his team mate needed to be the one that lived. Especially if he has a revive without a flip.
EuchreJack, you're extremely lackadaisical about this whole thing. Taking the lies as a funny jape, and not something that almost got you ejected. What do you think Web's plan o' action was here?
Without a revive or similar heavily mechanical considerations, do you ever see scum!Web sacrifice themselves for scum!EuchreJack?
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I see town!Web sacrificing themselves for EuchreJack either.
Hm... I think the key question now is whether or not Web genuinely thought they were going to die when they kicked this whole thing off. Need to know their motivation. Was it ending the day, a mad gambit to look town by trying to hammer themselves, etc?
This day has been tiresome.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 08:52:28 am
So, we should vote you out instead?...
Anyway, Webadict does say he can Soak someone along with three other targets:
My Soak action is supposed to Soak anyone that targets my Soak target plus three other people I target (because fuck me, my actions suck, that's why). I targeted NJW but got Bussed, and I assume that the Bussing doesn't count for Soaking, but I'll ask Fallacy just in case. TricMagic getting Soaked now makes sense, since he targeted Jim, so that one's solved. EuchreJack getting Soaked doesn't unless EuchreJack also targeted Jim.I'm not sure why he hides the Jack soak here while also admitting he can target three people besides NJW/Jim. If I had caught this post the first time I may have noticed that.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 09:01:17 am
Spoiler: Secret Map O' Confirmations For Day 3 (click to show/hide)
Avast! It be one o the rare times that an info-plankwalk be somewhat justified on first mate EuchreJack.
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NJW, there definitely be more than meets the eye here. But I can't see a situation where a scum-Web dies for a town-EuchreJack. So flipping EuchreJack is probably the more useful choice.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 09:09:50 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 09:14:41 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 09:28:49 am
Granted, that makes me look suspicious, but I don't believe web has a kill or second action? Looks at old chart.[/i
How would a delay look to Toony on the recieving end? Or did Nakeen get a result that says it did nothing. Moving further down that line, would Nakeen know they've been roleblocked by juice, and/or juice receive notice of their action's result?
Is Knightwing/Toony town? Or were one of them the one to do a kill. hell, TolyK could have made Toony unstoppable and this choice already decided. It sounds town, but is it really? Web is at the center of most of the claims, and with him lying they all fall apart into a complete mess...
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 09:48:53 am
2. Nakeen said they performed their action on me.
3. Juicebox said their multi-block on Nakeen failed.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 09:55:04 am
I can confirm that Web (via Jim), TolyK, and Jim targeted me.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 09:58:29 am
1. I have no indication of being delayed.1a. Fallacy does not give indications of redirects in role results.
2. Nakeen said they performed their action on me.
3. Juicebox said their multi-block on Nakeen failed.
2a. Fallacy does not give indications of actions failing if they went through to the target.
3a. Nakeen only performed 1 action.
So Nakeen and Juice would be cleared by that. Jim is cleared. Web's outed. NJW is also outed by the results, though no alignment indications. NQT and EuchreJack are also cleared.
Knightwing64
ToonyMan
TolyK
Vector
Among these names are the one who could have preformed the kill. So, which is it?
Nin. So, that narrows your choices down to Knightwing and Vector, yeah? (Or Nakeen as an outlier.)
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 10:12:18 am
As I said in me chart, the only buccaneers who have anything suggesting they haven't two actions are me, Nakeen, Toony and Juicebox.
BUT if we wanted to make walk the plank someone who had nothing going for their claim, we'd throw overboard Vector, or perhaps the cabin boy KW (but not really KW, as his claim would have been easy to counterclaim, so there's no reason to suppose he'd lie that way).
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 10:20:55 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 11:11:28 am
No, I calculated correctly.
pfffffffftahahahahahahahaha
Without a revive or similar heavily mechanical considerations, do you ever see scum!Web sacrifice themselves for scum!EuchreJack?
If EuchreJack's role is valuable enough, yes. There might be some role synergy that would make it worth sacrificing webadict for EuchreJack.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I see town!Web sacrificing themselves for EuchreJack either.
I'd expect webadict to be very loud about it and badger people relentlessly about it, but never hammering himself to save EuchreJack.
Among these names are the one who could have preformed the kill. So, which is it?
This is still bad reasoning to use to decide who to lynch since multi actors etc.
I think webadict is still a pretty solid choice for the elimination today just to cut through the WIFOM he generated. We probably need to eliminate EuchreJack as well, especially if he remains quiet.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 11:32:07 am
No, I calculated correctly.
pfffffffftahahahahahahahahaWithout a revive or similar heavily mechanical considerations, do you ever see scum!Web sacrifice themselves for scum!EuchreJack?
If EuchreJack's role is valuable enough, yes. There might be some role synergy that would make it worth sacrificing webadict for EuchreJack.Come to think of it, I'm not sure I see town!Web sacrificing themselves for EuchreJack either.
I'd expect webadict to be very loud about it and badger people relentlessly about it, but never hammering himself to save EuchreJack.Among these names are the one who could have preformed the kill. So, which is it?
This is still bad reasoning to use to decide who to lynch since multi actors etc.
I think webadict is still a pretty solid choice for the elimination today just to cut through the WIFOM he generated. We probably need to eliminate EuchreJack as well, especially if he remains quiet.
And I think you're stupid for not realizing that Web probably lied about calculating correctly, and Web probably lied in his self-hammer.
WEB LIES!!!!! And it's Null, not scum, not town. Ergo, why Web is null. But hey, he fessed up and saved me, so I'm calling that townie behavior.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 11:34:08 am
And as mysterious as it be, it's damned informative how this all went. It's an unforced error, aye, Web wanted to walk the plank. Earlier he said his roleflip would tell the tale (dead men be surprisingly informative on these high seas), thar be a slip, he expected ta die today.
Maybe he is scum and his team mate needed to be the one that lived. Especially if he has a revive without a flip.
EuchreJack, you're extremely lackadaisical about this whole thing. Taking the lies as a funny jape, and not something that almost got you ejected. What do you think Web's plan o' action was here?
And for that matter, what's to explain about me charts? They're all straightforward enough, even for a non-navigator.
It's hard for me at least to be pissed at Web for two reasons:
1) I was RIGHT.
2) Web confessed in time to save me from being eliminated.
It's you lot that wanted to wrongly convict me that have reason to be pissed.
Your charts make no sense to me. But hey, I have to get back to work.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 11:37:24 am
1) Double-voter Knightwing traditionally sheeps Toonyman.
2) Both TolyK and Jim has claimed to give Toony really good stuff that the rest of us should just believe on faith. Not sure if it's worse if true or false.
3) NJW2000 and his double vote are likely to defer to Toonyman for taking his side in the Great NJW2000/Webadict War of Day 2.
And possibly other stuff that I don't have time to break down. I REALLY have to get back to work.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 11:46:08 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 11:46:53 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 11:47:39 am
Web is also very vocal about self-hammering as town. Or rather voting yourself as town. This is a complete side-swerve for them Jack, don't be fooled. The only reason the day didn't end is cause of a single vote from a doublevoter. The clear goal of webadict was to die today, for whatever reason. Hell, it could be an intricately planned Jester plot, bastard as that would be. More likely web wanted the entire day to be useless rather than save a single person, he could convince people otherwise. (Why did it post?) Trading himself for Jack makes absolutely no sense for scum-web, but they're the only one who would deny town info.
I am very much not.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 11:49:51 am
I'm very content with either a webadict or a EuchreJack lynch.Arrr, the booty to be found in EuchreJack walking the plank is that him flipping town clears Web. Whereas worst case Web flips town or jester, and we're none the wiser about Jack. Savvy?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 11:53:06 am
EuchreJack.
I'll trust that you've thought harder about this than I have.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 11:53:54 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 11:58:01 am
Arr, but Jack flipping town would clear Web, as scum-web never sacrifices himself for a townie. You don't need to be up the crow's nest to see this.
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 12:01:15 pm
Also, Jack is Town, and you can still execute me.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 12:02:00 pm
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 12:12:17 pm
I figured my flip clears him, NJW starts playing, and I get to vacation in deadland.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 12:14:14 pm
EuchreJack then.
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 12:17:51 pm
That doesn't actually clear them given double actions. They could have hit someone you soaked.That's pretty dumb. I know exactly who I targeted, so why wouldn't EuchreJack. That also means that Euchre didn't do the kill because Max wasn't Soaked.
EuchreJack then.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 12:21:34 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 12:24:00 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 12:25:17 pm
Yes, but you Soaked Jack yourself correct? Why couldn't Jack kill Max?That doesn't actually clear them given double actions. They could have hit someone you soaked.That's pretty dumb. I know exactly who I targeted, so why wouldn't EuchreJack. That also means that Euchre didn't do the kill because Max wasn't Soaked.
EuchreJack then.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 12:29:19 pm
Web has just completely scrambled any hopes of understanding what's going on. Congrats on making an unplayable game that you didn't even design.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 12:35:01 pm
Finally, vote ToonyMan since I'm starting to get concerned over the massive amount of power that Toonyman seems to be accumulating.Power!! Unlimited Pooower!!!
1) Double-voter Knightwing traditionally sheeps Toonyman.
2) Both TolyK and Jim has claimed to give Toony really good stuff that the rest of us should just believe on faith. Not sure if it's worse if true or false.
3) NJW2000 and his double vote are likely to defer to Toonyman for taking his side in the Great NJW2000/Webadict War of Day 2.
And possibly other stuff that I don't have time to break down. I REALLY have to get back to work.
With great power comes more power.
I'm pretty sure my support crumbles if we don't hit any mafia.
Post by: Nakéen on October 21, 2022, 12:37:34 pm
1) Claim a killer action on Day 1.
2) Draw attention on themselves on Day 2.
As a byproduct of 2, the vote has been disrupted and attention from EuchreJack temporarily redirected on webadict.
It could be an elaborate plot to vote EuchreJack out to protect someone else.
Someone EuchreJack suspected?
Someone who hasn't drawn attention much?
Someone who was starting to get attention, or made a mistake we didn't notice?
Also web has stopped posting eeveelutions. Maybe that means something?
Post by: Vector on October 21, 2022, 12:39:18 pm
I cannot for the fucking life of me understand why we weren't voting Nakeen before that on the basis of behavioral clues.
I want to say for the record that I think the B12 meta of not killing off third parties and claimed millers has gone a little far. It should give us pause when someone says that they're an SK miller, for example.
My momentum has been killed a bit by the mod error situation TBH. I can understand why Webadict would feel that way, too. It's not FoU's fault that this has happened per se but it's frankly really freakin' hard to play around incorrect inspection results.
Webadict, for bein' sus and as an act of mercy.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 21, 2022, 12:48:36 pm
Nakeen does seem to be trying to win the game now. Good.
NQT.
On the basis of the dubious takes and thread issues, and the fact they look like scum trying to out town-with-a-gun early today. Also, what kind of role tells between third parties with or without gun, town-with-gun or mafia, and town? It makes more sense from the mafia side. Juicebox also may have looked SK-like to scum yesterday, I dunnot. Any tone read largely prevented by the module stuff.
One vote only because democracy.
Yeah, I'm voting one of the most active posters. I have almost nothing to go on with the more absent ones, and what I do see doesn't give me enough for a worthy elimination.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 01:04:31 pm
I don't know. Web probably wouldn't go this far as scum. Nothing has happened today that they didn't manage to be front and centre of. I'm not going to vote them out here, A) because I think they're town that wants it to happen, and B) because they don't deserve to get that.That's not democratic, since you can just hammer with the unused second part of your vote. That's Authoritarian.
Nakeen does seem to be trying to win the game now. Good.
NQT.
On the basis of the dubious takes and thread issues, and the fact they look like scum trying to out town-with-a-gun early today. Also, what kind of role tells between third parties with or without gun, town-with-gun or mafia, and town? It makes more sense from the mafia side. Juicebox also may have looked SK-like to scum yesterday, I dunnot. Any tone read largely prevented by the module stuff.
One vote only because democracy.
Yeah, I'm voting one of the most active posters. I have almost nothing to go on with the more absent ones, and what I do see doesn't give me enough for a worthy elimination.
By the way, CAN you split your vote?
Anyways, back to work (I'm in my own office now, so I can check in when I need a break from work).
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 01:07:40 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 01:25:46 pm
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Aye, and NJW, EuchreJack literally confirmed that me role does Exactly that you bottom feeding bloated lazy son of a manatee. If you thought I were lying about that and scum, then you'd think Jack was scum. So what in blue blazes are ye voting me for???
If you're town, admit your error
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 01:51:10 pm
We've got time, I want to hear from more of ye (as miserable as that might make the defeatist Web). All hands on deck!
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 02:44:09 pm
Gunner Webadict: Either lied to save a fellow mutineer, or fancy played a lie to nobly prevent a mislynch. Perhaps he has a revive, perhaps he really does want to quit, but if he wanted to quit before, then why did the blasted wretch post more than anyone else? No one was forcing him too. Doesn't hold much water. But then, saving a scum team-mate doesn't hold water either unless he has a revive, as it would risk condemning them both.
Ship's Cook NJW, he puts in enough posting time to bicker endless with Web... but not enough posting to actually understand the game state (aye I made mistakes too earlier in the day, but always searching towards coherence), and comes out with a blustering half-baked attack. And then there's his lack of votes on D1. Just a particularly ineffective town player, or scum? Doublevoter, and KW can also get extra votes. Two town multi-voters would be a rum setup...
First Mate EuchreJack, came in and cleared me straight off. Could have kept that information to himself and let me hang through the confusion. Aye, that was towny... but his posting, vote range, and this thing with the soaking and with Web, it's all raising a lot of eyebrows. He's now inextricably linked.
Then there's the quiet ones, who could be blackhearted mutineers laying low, waiting for town to off each other (as is traditional)...
TolyK, purportedly cleared by the mate Toony but it's weak, big time lurker.
Vector, who Web likes, been on shore leave so long it's impossible to get a fix on them. Has no confirmed action.
Nakeen, allegedly delayed Toony... but why, as far as I could see there was no reason given, and indeed Nakeen never voted Toony or expressed any earlier suspicions. It be an odd target for a powerful ability like that, savvy?
They probably can't all be bad, but this is the pool I want to pick the plank walkers from.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 03:03:16 pm
2) Both TolyK and Jim has claimed to give Toony really good stuff that the rest of us should just believe on faith. Not sure if it's worse if true or false.Tric has claimed (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420031#msg8420031) that Jim targeted me last night, just me.
You're right that TolyK's gift (more like an exchange...) is only known between myself and them.
Nakeen, allegedly delayed Toony... but why, as far as I could see there was no reason given, and indeed Nakeen never voted Toony or expressed any earlier suspicions. It be an odd target for a powerful ability like that, savvy?Nakeen gives further reasoning on D2 here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420147#msg8420147).
Post by: webadict on October 21, 2022, 03:09:17 pm
I can't remember, the only way to know for sure is to vote me out, innit it?Yes, but you Soaked Jack yourself correct? Why couldn't Jack kill Max?That doesn't actually clear them given double actions. They could have hit someone you soaked.That's pretty dumb. I know exactly who I targeted, so why wouldn't EuchreJack. That also means that Euchre didn't do the kill because Max wasn't Soaked.
EuchreJack then.
Maybe my replacement will know better, but I'm already dead.
Post by: Vector on October 21, 2022, 03:13:37 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 03:19:23 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 03:25:11 pm
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (1): ToonyMan
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (1): EuchreJack
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (7): NJW2000, NJW2000, TricMagic, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Nakéen, webadict
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: juicebox, Knightwing64, notquitethere, TolyK
8 to hammer.
This catches scum! <---Obvious sarcasm
Temporary unofficial votecount that will probably be invalidated 2 seconds after I post (or before)
EuchreJack (2): ToonyMan, Jim
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (1): NQT
notquitethere (1): NJW2000
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (5): Knightwing64, Nakéen, webadict, Vector, EuchreJack
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: juicebox, Knightwing64, TolyK, Tric, NJW2000
Who COULD be voting more: Knightwing64, NJW2000
@Knightwing: If you can use your double vote tomorrow and today, you should use your double vote today.
@NJW2000: You should use both of your votes, unless you intend to keep someone from L-1 (or L-2 if Knightwing is a consideration). And if you CAN split your votes, you should at least consider the utility of doing so, even if you prefer not to say.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 03:27:15 pm
EuchreJack (2): ToonyMan, Jim
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (1): NQT
notquitethere (1): NJW2000
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
webadict (5): Knightwing64, Nakéen, webadict, Vector, EuchreJack
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: juicebox, Knightwing64, TolyK, Tric, NJW2000
Who COULD be voting more: Knightwing64, NJW2000
@Knightwing: If you can use your double vote tomorrow and today, you should use your double vote today.
@NJW2000: You should use both of your votes, unless you intend to keep someone from L-1 (or L-2 if Knightwing is a consideration). And if you CAN split your votes, you should at least consider the utility of doing so, even if you prefer not to say.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 21, 2022, 03:31:43 pm
To be honest, my double vote has been a curse, as I wasn't around to use them in the explosion of activity at the end of D1. They've mostly been used for dumb wagons done while I was asleep.
NQT: reread your role pm, check you haven't missed anything.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 03:42:16 pm
Nakeen gives further reasoning on D2 here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420147#msg8420147).Thanks me hearty, I had forgotten that response. Makes me feel a bit better about their reasoning...
Web, I'm bepuzzled. How did ye lose your vim and vigour all of a sudden?
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I usually see this defeatism set in when a scum team is routed. But it could be more manipulation, see, to encourage a mercy kill. Arr, what a twisted course this ship be sailing... Either interpretation would mean a mutineer Web.
NJW, arr, on your request I reread it and I learned... nothing I didn't already know. Should be no more mistakes from hereon. More to the point, I'm not walking the plank today, and your reason for voting me isn't just bad, it's not believable from a town-perpective. Ye think I'm lying about my ability, the ability that EuchreJack confirms AND I'm willing to push for a EuchreJack ejection? You haven't thought this one through.
Put your votes somewhere useful, you splintering wreck or I'll throw you overboard meself. Last chance.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 03:44:19 pm
Didn't think about splitting them... not sure who else I'd go for. I don't think anyone other than Web or EJ is likely to be the elim, and I don't particularly like either of those.
To be honest, my double vote has been a curse, as I wasn't around to use them in the explosion of activity at the end of D1. They've mostly been used for dumb wagons done while I was asleep.
NQT: reread your role pm, check you haven't missed anything.
So, you could use your double vote to start a wagon you believe in, or start two wagons. You could also ask people you think are town to join you in votes.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 03:47:34 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 03:51:18 pm
Can you explain yourself here?
Also, I tend to Suspect Web, since the most likely reason I'm soaked is because Web just lied about his targets, excluding me.webadict: I can see Web soaking me, not telling anyone, then waiting until a wagon builds on me just to see the results. All as town!web. I could see town!web even sacrificing me to the wagon for info. Thanks Web.This doesn't make any sense. You suspect Web and then immediately townread them for the same reasons.
@Tric:
Question, how did KW get his double votes?Knightwing's second target died (Max) so they claim to get a second vote from it. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420469#msg8420469)
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 03:56:47 pm
Assuming Knightwing's is limited, then I would be perfectly happen with an NJW lynch if it goes that way.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 04:08:51 pm
@Jack:
Can you explain yourself here?Also, I tend to Suspect Web, since the most likely reason I'm soaked is because Web just lied about his targets, excluding me.webadict: I can see Web soaking me, not telling anyone, then waiting until a wagon builds on me just to see the results. All as town!web. I could see town!web even sacrificing me to the wagon for info. Thanks Web.This doesn't make any sense. You suspect Web and then immediately townread them for the same reasons.
My reads list was from Town to Scum (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420679#msg8420679), so Web was marginally in the town category. Above juicebox, who only gets into the town box due to NQT's scan which shows No Gun.
To be clear, I suspected Web of SOAKING me. And I used classic blue text to put pressure on Web to tell the truth.which spectacularly backfired
And I could NOT actually vote Web as TolyK had failed to answer. And now the panic of almost dying is fading, TolyK still hasn't answered.
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 21, 2022, 04:11:35 pm
NJW, arr, on your request I reread it and I learned... nothing I didn't already know. Should be no more mistakes from hereon. More to the point, I'm not walking the plank today, and your reason for voting me isn't just bad, it's not believable from a town-perpective. Ye think I'm lying about my ability, the ability that EuchreJack confirms AND I'm willing to push for a EuchreJack ejection? You haven't thought this one through.Nah, you just told me I wasn't up to date with the game state, so I reminded you about that one time you totally caught scum.
And I don't think you're lying about your ability, I think you're telling the truth about it. I just think the ability and your way of losing it makes it look more like a scum ability than town.
Question for you then, NQT: You seem very sure here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419904#msg8419904) and here (http://) that Juicebox is scum. You then FoS a lot of people, and post a lot of reads. Why did you only post one associative read, given you were pretty sure you'd found scum?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 04:11:38 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 04:13:06 pm
(https://mydailyartdisplay.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/gian-girolamo-albani-by-giovanni-moroni-1568-70.jpg?w=840)
Could I interest you in a TolyK lynch? One or two votes, up to you really.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 04:13:42 pm
NJW and TolyK are terrible lynches.What, did NJW give you bribe money too?
Post by: juicebox on October 21, 2022, 04:17:57 pm
Sorry for the extended absence, work's been killing me, and I've had barely enough time to sleep. Also, eod is happening at a bad time for me, so I don't know whether I'll be able to be on for it.
So for right now I'll leave my vote on webadict, who's play so far has been quite antitown, and whose lynch would give us quite a bit of information.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 04:19:07 pm
NJW and TolyK are terrible lynches.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 04:19:26 pm
And now the panic of almost dying is fading, TolyK still hasn't answered.
And now the panic of almost dying is fading
panic
Jack "panicking":
Best news all day. I can die happy now.@Fallacy: Is there a dead chat?Yes.
Reads List:
[blah blah blah]
Now I'm going to watch Young Sheldon.
Also, fuck you, this isn't funny.Wow, this statement is completely wrong in every way. Town points to Jim.
There's amusing yourself with innocuous bullshit like repeatedly posting DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ to literally no one else's amusement, and then there's misleading and frustrating the good faith efforts of multiple players without good cause.
Also: DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ.
Vote count while Jack was "panicking":
Vote CountFour votes, eight required to hammer.
------------------------
-> EuchreJack --4-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420504#msg8420504), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420530#msg8420530), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420649#msg8420649), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420653#msg8420653)
You're full of shit.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 04:21:08 pm
The main point is your post content/behavior anyway.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 04:24:13 pm
NJW and TolyK are terrible lynches.Yar, now that Web has given up, it falls on me to spat with NJW.
Nah, you just told me I wasn't up to date with the game state, so I reminded you about that one time you totally caught scum.I'm beginning to dislike yer manner.
And I don't think you're lying about your ability, I think you're telling the truth about it. I just think the ability and your way of losing it makes it look more like a scum ability than town.Arr, scum could make use of a power which told them who was a vig. It'd be a damn sight less infallible in the hands of scum, as they already know who they are, so the Beta result wouldn't get false positives. As it be, with the false positives possible on 2/3 results, it's clearly built and balanced for a loyal crewmate.
Question for you then, NQT: You seem very sure here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419904#msg8419904) and here (http://) that Juicebox is scum. You then FoS a lot of people, and post a lot of reads. Why did you only post one associative read, given you were pretty sure you'd found scum?That first link was a bait post. I knew I could have a false positive (a town vig) so I were trying to bait him into claiming he had no kill. If he said, "I have a kill but didn't use it" then I'd have backed down and explained. Your second link be broken.
I got caught up trying to make sense of all the mechanical claims, but if you recall I did try to puzzle out who was trying to save Juicebox from walking the plank. You'll remember that because you said the analysis was bad.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 04:33:18 pm
NJW gave me the best gift of all.NJW and TolyK are terrible lynches.What, did NJW give you bribe money too?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 04:48:39 pm
Webadict, cheer up.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/4d/81/5d4d8189e26a69a18f6d384386cf3425.jpg)
Still mind games to play, even if it seems bad.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 04:49:09 pm
Twenty posts left NJW for you to make a real case. Or I'm throwing you to the sharks meself just like I said. This here's not an idle threat, buccaneer. If you want to stay in the game, make a real case.
Crew, I'm giving NJW a chance to show me he's town. In the meantime, I still think EuchreJack is a good pick, and one I will support at EOD, though in my heart, I like him for confirming me rolepower. Is that scumwork? Aye I can see the argument both ways.
It'd probably be pro-game to throw out Web, but arr, I can still see a world where he's fancy-playing town (perhaps with a revive).
I think Vector needs dangling overboard by an ankle at least once today.
Post by: TolyK on October 21, 2022, 04:56:38 pm
TolyK, did ye ever explain why you left it until the end to claim miller? That's a borderline hanging offence.
No, I did not explain. For one, I didn't (and don't) intend on remaining a miller for long. For two, I wasn't too active earlier in day 1. Finally, by now I've claimed a significant portion of my current role (and part of my non-current role); I was quite hesitant to give too much too fast, but after the other claim had realized that claiming miller after being investigated is quite dumb & counterproductive.
And I suspected (correctly!) that inspects are pretty much nerfed in this game anyways. Turns out target redirection is a big thing.
@Tolyk: WTF is up with this "I'm a miller yesterday, but I'll presumably waste some action just to not be a miller, even though I'm already tainted anyways." I don't see this as helpful to finding Scum. Could you explain further?
Having the miller part taken away isn't the main point of that action, but rather switching roles (outside the game, not with a player). Since I intend to switch at some point in the near future (for other reasons), I won't be a miller. I'll let everyone know if/when that happens.
And I've claimed that part before (e.g. becoming a Dragon), so yeah.
That's honestly a good point. TolyK, why would you spend an action to frame yourself as town? That doesn't actually change anything for you.See above.
There's no info to be got by lynching Webadict. He can just go shock himself at night or slip on some ice or something.
Basically invalidating the whole Day 2 was not a nice move. Like, not cool. I had to throw it out, disregarding whatever Webadict says, and trying again. (That's actually a lot faster because hooo boy does Webadict post a lot for someone who doesn't want to be here...). Appreciate the vote bot runs, though.
I'm assuming Toony is town (due to choice info) (if you're mafia then gg), so I'll trust this:
<probably most readable post summarizing the claims>
I think there's four possibilities here:
1. Jack is hiding something.
2. NQT is hiding something.
3. Webadict also Soaked Jack and is hiding it.
4. Someone else Soaked just Jack and is hiding it.
(Also Toony congrats on Mythic.)
I'm mostly assuming Jim is town due to not taking the game seriously (ok and everything checks out).
The whole "mod error" thing and Vector then "no comment" on revive giving and also inspecting web makes it seem like they're trying to buddy to webadict. Also just old familiarity, of course, but in the game context it was just baseless buddying from both of them (ok I said I'd ignore Web's comments...). So, basically no usable information. (Update w/ latest post - mod error situation seems reasonable but still, not much to go by).
One thing I've noticed is that Jack has just... come up with several theories during D2 that I can't find the reason for (no quotes, only notes - "what if x?" is not useful & just seems like active thinking).
I really have no clue about NJW, all I got written down was confirmation of Juice actioning them D1 and very likely confirmation of N1 action.
kw64 - townish, not much read from me except that there weren't any action contradictions. Could've still done the Max kill while redirecting?
NQT is active & was basically led astray by Webadict and so I really doubt they're the same alignment. However, could've faked the gunsmith information, given the apparent self-error (in a successful attempt to get out of being caught lying).
So somewhere between EuchreJack, Vector, NQT, Knightwing64, Nakeen and juicebox from my count. I'd go for Vector (primarily for webadict-buddying) or Jack / NQT (most info from interactions + could be lying about N1).
If I missed something particularly important, please tell me.
Post by: TolyK on October 21, 2022, 04:57:18 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 21, 2022, 04:58:10 pm
Ok, but seriously why not NJW?NJW gave me the best gift of all.NJW and TolyK are terrible lynches.What, did NJW give you bribe money too?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 05:01:29 pm
That there particularrr post be nice an' all... But it be all mud, no polish. Ye big disgrace to pirates everywhere.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 05:02:34 pm
Arr, I'm happy to back Toony's read on TolyK for one day, and it's encouraging he's finally posting something with a bit o' bite!
He's absolutely right that Web's ejection is not maximally informative... especially as his reckless play hints at a revive.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 05:12:34 pm
EuchreJack (2): ToonyMan, Jim
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (1): NJW2000
TolyK (2): EuchreJack, Tric
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (1): NQT
webadict (5): Knightwing64, Nakéen, webadict, Vector, juicebox,
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: Knightwing64, TolyK, NJW2000
Who COULD be voting more: Knightwing64, NJW2000 (and TolyK, honestly)
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 05:15:00 pm
EuchreJack (2): ToonyMan, Jim
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (1): NJW2000
TolyK (2): EuchreJack, Tric
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (2): NQT, TolyK
webadict (5): Knightwing64, Nakéen, webadict, Vector, juicebox,
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: Knightwing64, NJW2000
Sorry TolyK, I missed your vote on Vector.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 05:20:54 pm
Arr, fine information, Jack. So tell me about TolyK: the bottomfeeding blighter has been lurking, aye... what do you think about Toony's argument that the power he was given was very pro-town? Is that in any way compelling? I think it's a mild reason in favour giving TolyK another day.
But if I be honest, the reasons are small fish. There's a surfeit of traitors and only one plank.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 05:52:32 pm
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Arr, fine information, Jack. So tell me about TolyK: the bottomfeeding blighter has been lurking, aye... what do you think about Toony's argument that the power he was given was very pro-town? Is that in any way compelling? I think it's a mild reason in favour giving TolyK another day.
But if I be honest, the reasons are small fish. There's a surfeit of traitors and only one plank.
Three things:
One, this requires me to believe Toony, whom I eminently dislike.
Two, apparently the gift has been given, so TolyK's survival doesn't influence Toony's ability to use TolyK's gift.
Three, this sounds like blatant bribery. So apparently, both Jim & TolyK can give Toony stuff, and that means they're both town? Toony did the same bullshit to get a radio from me in a previous Fallacy Game, then used that communication channel with Max & Me to manipulate us into throwing the game. It was the last of Fallacy's Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3, Round 5. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post to the discord.
@Fallacy: Am I allowed to link to the discord for Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3, Round 5? It looks like it is still active: You should probably change it read-only.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 05:53:36 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 21, 2022, 05:56:30 pm
notquitethere cuts NJW2000's throat!
Because a major Day action has been used, the Day has been extended by 24 hours. The Day will now end Saturday, October 22nd, 8 PM Central time.
webadict has requested a replacement.
@Fallacy: Am I allowed to link to the discord for Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3, Round 5? It looks like it is still active: You should probably change it read-only.I probably should change it to read only, yes. You may not link to it, but as that game has finished, you may post screenshots from it as evidence if you choose to do so. The spirit of such an action is the same as the spirit of taking a quote from another Bay 12 mafia game.
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 05:59:23 pm
On that note, Webadict.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 06:03:34 pm
Don't hammer anyone prematurely I still need to decide on my day action.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 06:03:50 pm
@NQT: Do you have a post restriction, or is this the countdown to NJW2000 Armageddon?Both! When the countdown ends, it's curtains for NJW. I can stop the count whenever and save him, but he'd have to give me an extraordinary reason now after being so extraordinarily bad. The Age of Piracy has ended. Soon the silence will come for him.
I still don't believe he bussed himself to save Jim. Oh I believe the bus may have happened, but I don't believe NJW does it for that reason.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 06:08:39 pm
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Arr, fine information, Jack. So tell me about TolyK: the bottomfeeding blighter has been lurking, aye... what do you think about Toony's argument that the power he was given was very pro-town? Is that in any way compelling? I think it's a mild reason in favour giving TolyK another day.
But if I be honest, the reasons are small fish. There's a surfeit of traitors and only one plank.
Three things:
One, this requires me to believe Toony, whom I eminently dislike.
Two, apparently the gift has been given, so TolyK's survival doesn't influence Toony's ability to use TolyK's gift.
Three, this sounds like blatant bribery. So apparently, both Jim & TolyK can give Toony stuff, and that means they're both town? Toony did the same bullshit to get a radio from me in a previous Fallacy Game, then used that communication channel with Max & Me to manipulate us into throwing the game. It was the last of Fallacy's Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3, Round 5. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post to the discord.
1. Eminency received.
2. I don't believe TolyK is mafia so yes, their continued survival is in my current interests.
3. Your argument would mean I'm mafia, not Jim and TolyK.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 06:11:52 pm
I warned him! Fair as fair, I warned him:
Put your votes somewhere useful, you splintering wreck or I'll throw you overboard meself. Last chance.
Ultimately, I can't trust NJW to make good choices. He's better dead than having two votes at LYLO. If he can't read me as town after the day I've put in today, he's either scum (very likely) or just really bad at this game. That alone would be a reason to daykill him.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 06:17:15 pm
I understand your reasoning, but I think you're wrong.
NJW should get a chance to respond at least before your final judgment.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 06:22:25 pm
I probably should have killed Web, if I knew he was definitely replacing out, that would have been the move to make for the good of the game. That said, I think it's less likely he leaves his team as scum, but it's not certain. I can see why the failed hammer was demotivated, he thought he'd gone out with a bang. I don't believe he has a revive now.
Good of Fallacy to extend the day. Means I can go to bed. I'll give plenty of time for NJW to respond. Another reason: votes are town's main weapon, and who has been more scared of using his votes? Big red flag for me.
Everyone, don't hammer while I'm asleep, please.
Post by: Nakéen on October 21, 2022, 06:26:44 pm
@Fallacy: how do replacements work?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 21, 2022, 06:30:34 pm
@Fallacy: how do replacements work?A member of Bay 12 from outside the game may accept the replacement request at any time. Once they do, they take webadict's place in the game, and receive a full log of all actions webadict has taken, and their results.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 21, 2022, 06:34:27 pm
If you're going to do something, NQT, please do it, rather than waste people's time.
Post by: notquitethere on October 21, 2022, 06:38:34 pm
The countdown is a part of the ability, it's not deliberate time wasting. I'm going to sleep. Maybe I'll feel differently in the morning.
Post by: juicebox on October 21, 2022, 06:40:23 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 21, 2022, 06:42:58 pm
NJW2000 uses Cool Shades.
NJW2000 now possesses an additional (currently unused) vote.
This would be the point where I post a votecount, but that'll take a bit, so give me some time to do that.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 21, 2022, 06:45:57 pm
WDYM throat cut?
WHAT DID I MISS
Post by: TricMagic on October 21, 2022, 06:47:11 pm
In response to having his throat cut, NJW2000 puts on a pair of sunglasses.... Sigh.
NJW2000 uses Cool Shades.
NJW2000 now possesses an additional (currently unused) vote.
This would be the point where I post a votecount, but that'll take a bit, so give me some time to do that.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 21, 2022, 06:55:09 pm
In response to having his throat cut, NJW2000 puts on a pair of sunglasses.(https://i.imgur.com/uM6gEZP.png)
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 06:58:57 pm
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Arr, fine information, Jack. So tell me about TolyK: the bottomfeeding blighter has been lurking, aye... what do you think about Toony's argument that the power he was given was very pro-town? Is that in any way compelling? I think it's a mild reason in favour giving TolyK another day.
But if I be honest, the reasons are small fish. There's a surfeit of traitors and only one plank.
Three things:
One, this requires me to believe Toony, whom I eminently dislike.
Two, apparently the gift has been given, so TolyK's survival doesn't influence Toony's ability to use TolyK's gift.
Three, this sounds like blatant bribery. So apparently, both Jim & TolyK can give Toony stuff, and that means they're both town? Toony did the same bullshit to get a radio from me in a previous Fallacy Game, then used that communication channel with Max & Me to manipulate us into throwing the game. It was the last of Fallacy's Mostly Vanilla Mafia 3, Round 5. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post to the discord.
1. Eminency received.
2. I don't believe TolyK is mafia so yes, their continued survival is in my current interests.
3. Your argument would mean I'm mafia, not Jim and TolyK.
You realize that you didn't actually respond to me, despite your responding to a post that I made to another forumite, right?
1) No attack on my word choice of "dislike" over "distrust"? You're slipping, Toonyman.
2) No comment on whether or not the survival of TolyK is necessary for your ability to be used? Instead, you state what should be obvious from your point of view.
3) NO, this statement by you is patently false and poor reasoning. My argument is: In a past game, scum!Toonyman gave an item (a bulletproof vest), to town!Jack and this endeared town!Jack to scum!Toonyman, leading to a town read. That town read meant town!Jack gave scum!Toony access to a neighbor chat, with which scum!toony manipulated town!Jack & town!Max into losing the game. How curious that YOU should know that, and that the only other player who was so heavily involved in that neighbor chat should be dead, hm?
*) Additionally, scum!UselessMcMiner in Totem Mafia 3 pulled a trick (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179207.msg8332791#msg8332791) where he claimed to have sent scum!Toony a message. Scum!Toony decided his odds were winning were higher if he claimed to NOT get the message. So the whole TolyK-Toony "really good action" could be long con.
Post by: Nakéen on October 21, 2022, 07:00:12 pm
In response to having his throat cut, NJW2000 puts on a pair of sunglasses.(https://i.imgur.com/uM6gEZP.png)
I suggest adding notquitethere's profile picture in the right or left upper corner.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 07:01:06 pm
In response to having his throat cut, NJW2000 puts on a pair of sunglasses.(https://i.imgur.com/uM6gEZP.png)
The man who now has THREE votes to squander pointlessly!
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 07:06:20 pm
@NQT: Is this a Doctor Who reference, or what? If you could answer this when you otherwise be posting, thanks.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 07:15:19 pm
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 07:27:40 pm
In response to having his throat cut, NJW2000 puts on a pair of sunglasses.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: EuchreJack on October 21, 2022, 11:01:03 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 21, 2022, 11:39:15 pm
What's the biggest thing you've stored? (Relevant) (https://youtu.be/QPdw2PIOdDg)
You got me, EuchreJack.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 01:19:28 am
1) No attack on my word choice of "dislike" over "distrust"? You're slipping, Toonyman.Are you implying you think I'm town, but don't like me? Because your later statements here go against that.
2) No comment on whether or not the survival of TolyK is necessary for your ability to be used? Instead, you state what should be obvious from your point of view....No, TolyK doesn't need to be alive for me to use their ability as far as I'm aware.
3) NO, this statement by you is patently false and poor reasoning. My argument is: In a past game, scum!Toonyman gave an item (a bulletproof vest), to town!Jack and this endeared town!Jack to scum!Toonyman, leading to a town read. That town read meant town!Jack gave scum!Toony access to a neighbor chat, with which scum!toony manipulated town!Jack & town!Max into losing the game. How curious that YOU should know that, and that the only other player who was so heavily involved in that neighbor chat should be dead, hm?First, you're correct. There's nothing proving TolyK isn't hoodwinking me. Jim however is not unless Tric's town inspect is false in some way. My impression of TolyK is that they're third-party at worst but it is possible they're mafia who gave me a very strong ability for some reason. Do I believe that? No. Also, it's an even better item than a bulletproof vest and the dual nature of it would mean it would benefit mafia just as heavily (as mafia giving themselves bulletproof vests isn't usually that great, that's one of the reasons I didn't care about giving you one in that game).
Second, you're accusing me of being mafia and killing Max to keep this public knowledge hidden. I don't have any comments about that. I didn't kill Max and I'm not involved with their death. Why are you implying you trust (but dislike) me in the first part of this post, but then jab at me with suspicion here?
*) Additionally, scum!UselessMcMiner in Totem Mafia 3 pulled a trick (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179207.msg8332791#msg8332791) where he claimed to have sent scum!Toony a message. Scum!Toony decided his odds were winning were higher if he claimed to NOT get the message. So the whole TolyK-Toony "really good action" could be long con.This was a miscommunication where my scum partner UselessMcMiner wanted to do that role-claim, but I had already claimed that nothing happened with me last night. I couldn't go back on what I said, so I decided to say I didn't receive anything from them. Roden and others were able to spot how strange and unnatural this exchange was between us, because it was strange and unnatural.
I'm not in secret communications with anybody in this game. Look at the interactions between TolyK and myself, this will prove that. You won't find any unnatural interactions with me because I'm not scum.
How are you going to dig your way out of the shit Jack? (https://youtu.be/ifGdAcDryXk)
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 01:25:37 am
Overall, I'm not liking the new NQT persona. Sure, cutting throats is fun, but I'm not sure what is the theme.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 02:08:44 am
I'm enjoying a brief moment of clarity before slipping into my third bizarre persona tomorrow. I did plan on keeping piracy up during the end here, but it wasn't necessary and I found myself longing for clarity. No overbearing theme now, just quiet contemplation and the indication that when I am done, I shall remain silent until tomorrow.
There's a very real effect to embodying different voices. As a pirate I was more aggressive, quick to post, and consequently more slapdash, than I was as a robot. Feel much more calm now, despite the blood pooling on the floor.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2022, 02:56:06 am
1) No attack on my word choice of "dislike" over "distrust"? You're slipping, Toonyman.Are you implying you think I'm town, but don't like me? Because your later statements here go against that.2) No comment on whether or not the survival of TolyK is necessary for your ability to be used? Instead, you state what should be obvious from your point of view....No, TolyK doesn't need to be alive for me to use their ability as far as I'm aware.3) NO, this statement by you is patently false and poor reasoning. My argument is: In a past game, scum!Toonyman gave an item (a bulletproof vest), to town!Jack and this endeared town!Jack to scum!Toonyman, leading to a town read. That town read meant town!Jack gave scum!Toony access to a neighbor chat, with which scum!toony manipulated town!Jack & town!Max into losing the game. How curious that YOU should know that, and that the only other player who was so heavily involved in that neighbor chat should be dead, hm?First, you're correct. There's nothing proving TolyK isn't hoodwinking me. Jim however is not unless Tric's town inspect is false in some way. My impression of TolyK is that they're third-party at worst but it is possible they're mafia who gave me a very strong ability for some reason. Do I believe that? No. Also, it's an even better item than a bulletproof vest and the dual nature of it would mean it would benefit mafia just as heavily (as mafia giving themselves bulletproof vests isn't usually that great, that's one of the reasons I didn't care about giving you one in that game).
Second, you're accusing me of being mafia and killing Max to keep this public knowledge hidden. I don't have any comments about that. I didn't kill Max and I'm not involved with their death. Why are you implying you trust (but dislike) me in the first part of this post, but then jab at me with suspicion here?*) Additionally, scum!UselessMcMiner in Totem Mafia 3 pulled a trick (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179207.msg8332791#msg8332791) where he claimed to have sent scum!Toony a message. Scum!Toony decided his odds were winning were higher if he claimed to NOT get the message. So the whole TolyK-Toony "really good action" could be long con.This was a miscommunication where my scum partner UselessMcMiner wanted to do that role-claim, but I had already claimed that nothing happened with me last night. I couldn't go back on what I said, so I decided to say I didn't receive anything from them. Roden and others were able to spot how strange and unnatural this exchange was between us, because it was strange and unnatural.
I'm not in secret communications with anybody in this game. Look at the interactions between TolyK and myself, this will prove that. You won't find any unnatural interactions with me because I'm not scum.
How are you going to dig your way out of the shit Jack? (https://youtu.be/ifGdAcDryXk)
I do appreciate the info. It's late and I'm tired, so I'm not sure how I read you right now.
My item #1 was specifically tailored to trigger a response from you, because I'm just unsure about you.
You're certainly not doing anything to earn my trust, but you have earned the trust of others.
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2022, 04:56:41 am
Wait, cut throat and shrugged it off, then NQT has a new schtick. Which is counting down the posts. Doomspeaker vibes? Probably not.
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 07:43:31 am
I'm not going to leave the game (unless one of you kills me). The count is a part of the power. It gives NJW an opportunity. One he doesn't seem interested in talking.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 22, 2022, 08:32:57 am
Webadict Webadict
Post by: NJW2000 on October 22, 2022, 08:45:34 am
I know I haven't played that well this game. Irritating that having an extra vote in a 14 player game means my daygame has to be that much better than everyone else's, while people get a pass on not using strong night abilities that well.
Web was wrong when they said anger motivates me... it makes me post unhelpfully for a short time, then leaves a void.
Spoiler: NQT (click to show/hide)
I'll post some reads, but that's probably about what I can do today.
Spoiler: reads (click to show/hide)
Will look further at game, time allowing. Happy voting out anyone less than null on above list, but accept it if people just want to get rid of Web. Note that this does however give
One from hammer, I think. I assume NQT and other people are going to want to post more, so maybe don't do that.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 22, 2022, 08:54:16 am
Unvote?
Post by: Nakéen on October 22, 2022, 11:46:10 am
Also what happens if a replacement can't be found?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 12:43:52 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2022, 12:45:32 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 12:59:05 pm
I really liked that last post from NJW. I substantially don't disagree with his reads. After giving myself time to cool down I am leaning towards not killing NJW.
Look, town spend most of any mafia game attacking and suspecting town. Him suspecting me is not a scumtell.
I think this escapade has been educational.
It's interesting that basically only Toony has come forward to give their twopence here. A scum NJW would have team mates who might at the very least try to hammer before my count down finishes to save their buddy. I'll give it a few more hours, but that's where I'm at right now.
Stepping away and coming back cool has definitely been good for me.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 01:33:10 pm
It's awkward because I need to submit it before day end which means I can't use knowledge of the flip.
I lied about a part of how my day ability works so if my target is confused, that's why. Pick the person that you think will lead to the greatest success.
I say we vote out web and just save us the trouble of needing a replacementFor the good of the game this is probably best...
Webadict Webadict
The reason I'm trusting Toony is due to the way he handled the first day (hence choice of target) and the second day. Additionally, his end of the bargain didn't make sense to me if he's a bad guy. I agree that my side is more iffy in this case, but not much I can do about that.You think the ability I gave you is something only town could have? I guess I could see it, it's another information type action.
I recommend using that ability when it becomes relevant.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 01:38:12 pm
It's interesting that basically only Toony has come forward to give their twopence here. A scum NJW would have team mates who might at the very least try to hammer before my count down finishes to save their buddy. I'll give it a few more hours, but that's where I'm at right now.I'm just saying how I feel.
We could think about it some more.
NJW immediately triggered their Cool Shades action, which seems to be a way to boost his number of votes for a day? I don't believe a mafia!NJW would burn his lylo breaker if there was a chance for him to survive the day, such as getting Webadict hammered to end the day early or by appealing to NQT to not kill him.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2022, 02:14:05 pm
I think if he were scum and Web were town, he'd use his three votes to hammer before dying.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 03:07:00 pm
There is the point that NJW doesn't really know when he's going to die.Even if they were both scum NJW may have done that since Web is likely to be lynched and that would mean both a mafia!NJW and mafia!Web die the same day.
I think if he were scum and Web were town, he'd use his three votes to hammer before dying.
Post by: TolyK on October 22, 2022, 03:13:27 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2022, 03:14:58 pm
Revealing a day kill on Day 2 does not seem like something scum would do.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 03:36:15 pm
Looking at the other side, does this town clear NQT?If I was scum and had a daykill I would definitely announce and use it...and I would kill town with it of course.
Revealing a day kill on Day 2 does not seem like something scum would do.
If NQT doesn't kill NJW and wastes their valuable daykill not killing then that's town points to me, even if their suspicion was correct and NJW really is mafia.
Post by: Vector on October 22, 2022, 04:08:33 pm
If NQT doesn't kill NJW and wastes their valuable daykill not killing then that's town points to me, even if their suspicion was correct and NJW really is mafia.
I agree with this.
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2022, 04:09:51 pm
VectorIf NQT doesn't kill NJW and wastes their valuable daykill not killing then that's town points to me, even if their suspicion was correct and NJW really is mafia.
I agree with this.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 04:12:52 pm
I would say the opposite. You used the kill, you should see it through no matter the result. Taking it back for town points is something scum could do, especially with them almost confirmed by jack right now.Killing a town player "for free" basically is more valuable than town credit in my opinion.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2022, 04:25:17 pm
If a player uses a daykill, then cancels it because they think their suspect under pressure appears actually town, this is townie behavior.
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2022, 04:26:08 pm
... Starting to think there are 3 mafia. Really Jack? Don't really trust Toony here.
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 04:28:05 pm
This is an intriguing point to draw out. Toony and Tric are both right in their different ways:
- If I gave up a free kill on town, that would a town-sided act
- If I refused to see through an action purely to make myself look more town, that would be scum-sided
Credibility is important, yes even for town... building that core. But also acting to take out scum is the core activity we should be doing.
So it all comes down to: do I believe NJW is scum? By my broad-brush scum hunting metric, often right but not always, NJW is not great. But he's not the worst player, no. This was really kicked off by him making a bad case while I was feeling particularly fired up.
How will I feel if he does flip scum later and I didn't kill him? Will I be kicking myself for the lost opportunity?
Oh and as I said earlier, Web is a bad pick in general, but a good pick for the game.
Webadict
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 04:39:32 pm
At this point, we're purely speculating on the NQT Daykill. We don't know if it's reusable if cancelled.You're kidding me right?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 04:40:58 pm
... Starting to think there are 3 mafia.This has been my assumption since game start.
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 04:44:23 pm
It's definitely not a reusable power, which won't surprise anyone who's thought about it for a few moments.
I had assumed 3 mafia all along too. 3 maf, probably 1 3rd party, 10 town. Something like that.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 05:16:47 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 05:20:26 pm
Regardless I think I'd rather see daykills used rather than threatened.
Post by: Nakéen on October 22, 2022, 05:30:59 pm
I feel like the players with kills were way too trigger happy, between webadict (supposed) N1 kill attempt and now NQT's countdown. Especially since you have an inspect, I'm confused as to why you wouldn't want to wait to confirm your target really is scum before risking it. It's too much of a gamble especially since there are still a dozen (eleven if we count webadict out) remaining players.
Killing NJW2000 is not a good move. Having reveal he has 3 votes is enough of a success in my opinion, because his tiebreaking power has been revealed to everyone. It would be best to rely on one of the inspects to confirm his alignment rather than kill him to flip him, because I can't see Mafia letting him live if they are not one of them.
My vote remains on webadict.
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2022, 05:38:47 pm
webadict
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 05:41:16 pm
AND WOULD IT KILL THE MODERATOR TO POST SOME REGULAR VOTE COUNTS DURING THE GAME
Post by: Nakéen on October 22, 2022, 05:43:44 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2022, 05:53:32 pm
AND WOULD IT KILL THE MODERATOR TO POST SOME REGULAR VOTE COUNTS DURING THE GAMEProbably
Post by: Egan_BW on October 22, 2022, 05:59:10 pm
Indeed, for that would take up valuable time that the mod should be spending on starting Gate of Dreams already.AND WOULD IT KILL THE MODERATOR TO POST SOME REGULAR VOTE COUNTS DURING THE GAMEProbably
Dangit.
Mod Mod Mod: GATE OF DREAMS WHEN
Post by: Nakéen on October 22, 2022, 06:03:19 pm
Indeed, for that would take up valuable time that the mod should be spending on starting Gate of Dreams already.AND WOULD IT KILL THE MODERATOR TO POST SOME REGULAR VOTE COUNTS DURING THE GAMEProbably
Dangit.
Mod Mod Mod: GATE OF DREAMS WHEN
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 06:05:39 pm
We're on 6 votes for Webadict. NJW could hammer.
Spoiler: My vote count (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 06:10:01 pm
I feel like I complained about this the last time I played one of FoU's games. And I think I complained about it the previous game as well.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 06:11:47 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 06:14:05 pm
11
We're on 6 votes for Webadict. NJW could hammer.Spoiler: My vote count (click to show/hide)
Also riddle me why you're voting webadict when you convinced me that EuchreJack was a better choice for lynching today.
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 06:15:15 pm
Oh nice there's been an extension. I'll try to post something later then, also unvote , I dont want web hammered while I'm away.
Spoiler: My vote count (click to show/hide)
I wouldn't be voting Web if he wasn't replacing out. It's unfortunate! But it's not like we have anyone in the waitlist, and it's better to have active players. That's literally it, that's the whole reason. I remember the bad old days of dead slots and mafia killing the active players.
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2022, 06:17:16 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 06:19:00 pm
Post by: notquitethere on October 22, 2022, 06:21:36 pm
Once we get some more flips, then player's activity today should be very useful to look back on. Who tried to kill who type of stuff.
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One good feeling about the Web lynch now I think about it is, yeah, a town Web makes this play know it's not going to be catastrophic for town. So unless he's some mega supersaint jester (unlikely) we should be safe to eliminate him.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 07:26:28 pm
My deadlift is weak. I need to get it higher. What's the point of weightlifting if you can't use both your physical appearance and the amount of weight you can pull off the floor to intimidate anyone?
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2022, 07:35:17 pm
I could be deadlifting right now but instead I'm reading through Day 2. :|Muscles? Being healthy? (Not having flabby triceps. They do not want to leave, but getting there.)
My deadlift is weak. I need to get it higher. What's the point of weightlifting if you can't use both your physical appearance and the amount of weight you can pull off the floor to intimidate anyone?
Post by: NJW2000 on October 22, 2022, 07:50:12 pm
reading briefly late at night... sry about that, busy day.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 22, 2022, 08:13:07 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 08:52:10 pm
Because I think juicebox is suspicious but your action ''''''''''''clears'''''''''''' him.
I could be deadlifting right now but instead I'm reading through Day 2. :|Muscles? Being healthy? (Not having flabby triceps. They do not want to leave, but getting there.)
My deadlift is weak. I need to get it higher. What's the point of weightlifting if you can't use both your physical appearance and the amount of weight you can pull off the floor to intimidate anyone?
Being superior to other people is the only worthwhile pursuit in life.
Quote from: NJW2000
Day 2 hasn't been stupid enough. I will do something about this.
Quote from: notquitethere
I will help you.
*siiiiiiiiigh*
NJW2000's reads are pretty bad and if they're accurate we should all be embarrassed by how we're playing. I guess it's good he doesn't want to vote because if he was proactively using his votes he might save EuchreJack or webadict from being lynched today which would be a mistake.
NQT threatening a day kill on NJW2000 is also a wonderful example of terrible decision making. Does NJW2000 try to thunderdome webadict if NJW2000 is scum? I don't really see this but NQT ignores or apparently forgets this when he cuts NJW2000's throat.
Also, I tend to Suspect Web, since the most likely reason I'm soaked is because Web just lied about his targets, excluding me.
@Web: You have Soak. Any idea whether it's a Spreadable On Any Kontact, or is Jim just making up things due to Noita deprivation?
If this is what EuchreJack believes doesn't he need to vote webadict here instead of just FoSing him?
Wouldn't you normally expect EuchreJack to wildly freak out at the suggestion that he was being framed by night results?
webadict: I can see Web soaking me, not telling anyone, then waiting until a wagon builds on me just to see the results. All as town!web. I could see town!web even sacrificing me to the wagon for info. Thanks Web.
'I could see webadict intentionally causing mislynches as town.'
????????????????
Also a reversal of his twenty four minute old suspicion of webadict, but this is in character for EuchreJack.
And I think you're stupid for not realizing that Web probably lied about calculating correctly, and Web probably lied in his self-hammer.
WEB LIES!!!!! And it's Null, not scum, not town. Ergo, why Web is null. But hey, he fessed up and saved me, so I'm calling that townie behavior.
This is an unbelievable defense of webadict even coming from EuchreJack.
Because I lied about lying. It just seemed like EuchreJack was being setup, so I claimed that I Soaked him. I dunno how he got Soaked, but it doesn't seem like he knew either, which makes it pretty obvious he wasn't scum.
I figured my flip clears him, NJW starts playing, and I get to vacation in deadland.
The ultra impressive double lie misdirection!
How many layers deep do his lies go? How many layers of lies can he weave before it becomes completely unbelievable that he's town?
Tune in next time, to Dragon Nut Z!
After reading all of Day 2 I think both webadict and EuchreJack have very goods odds of being scum and if either of them or both of them are town then what the fuck what the fuck is even the point of playing mafia stupid fucking waste of time game
EuchreJack - scum due to getting soaked somehow (but webadict said he soaked EJ (but actually that was a lieeeeeeeeeee)) and EuchreJack's attempts to defend webadict are very suspect
webadict - scum for intentionally (but this was actually a lieeeeeeeeeee) misdirecting role analysis for most of Day 2 and then trying to self hammer
ToonyMan - town
notquitethere - maybe town but several questionable actions and decisions
juicebox - bad cases, really don't feel like my impression that they're hopping on bandwagons has changed much in Day 2; cleared by NQT however
Vector - I guess technically in the game but not really doing anything
TricMagic - town
NJW2000 - very bad takes but probably town and a waste of lynch and a day kill
Nakeen - relatively muted presence but I feel like they're town
Knightwing64 - probably town
TolyK - quiet but nothing they say when they do post offends me; going to trust ToonyMan here about TolyK
web/EJ/Vector maybe? juicebox bugs me as well. If there isn't at least two scum between webadict, EuchreJack, Vector, and juicebox I am going to go insane.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 08:57:51 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 09:01:56 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 22, 2022, 09:03:41 pm
Dun Dun Dun
Jimmy boy
That’s pretty amongsus
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 22, 2022, 09:05:51 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 22, 2022, 09:22:06 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 09:30:59 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 22, 2022, 09:35:29 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 23, 2022, 04:22:57 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 23, 2022, 08:44:49 am
ITS A MYSTERY
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 23, 2022, 10:03:42 am
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (1): ToonyMan
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (1): NJW2000
TolyK (1): EuchreJack
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (1): TolyK
webadict (5): Nakéen, webadict, notquitethere, TricMagic, Jim Groovester
No Execution (0):
Not Voting: juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, NJW2000, NJW2000
8 to hammer.
The scribe needs to be shaken awake by the time it is all over, for it is darker than anticipated, but soon enough the vote is tallied fully.
webadict's avatar is struck down by a bolt of death, and he does not stir afterwards.
Revelation comes - the truth is revealed for all to see.
Are you surprised to find that webadict was neither good nor truly evil?
webadict's alignment was Mafia-Ally.
You learn of a true agent of chaos, with a stake in the game but no supportive legion.
webadict's role was All of the Eeveelutions crammed into a single Pokeball.
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All of the Eeveelutions crammed into a single Pokeball (mafia-ally):
(Auto) Agents Of Chaos: It’s a bit cramped inside your Pokeball. It’d be so easy to let out some tension by causing mischief. You may use an additional action every Night as long as the action used originated in your own role.
(1-Shot, Night) Hydro Wave [target]: Your Vaporeon unleashes a torrent of water, Soaking your target in water! You may also Soak any number of other players of your choice in water, but you do not visit them.
(1-Shot, Night) Reckoning [self]: Your Flareon sets every player who visits you On Fire!
(1-Shot, Night) Conduct [target]: Your Jolteon electrifies your target, roleblocking everyone they visit this Night! If they’re Soaked and only you visit them, this action kills.
(1-Shot, Night) Shroud [target]: Your Umbreon shrouds your target in darkness, granting them investigative action immunity for this Night!
(1-Shot, Night) Headspin [target]: Your Espeon mind blasts your target, causing them to be randomized this Night! You also trace your target and learn who they visited.
(1-Shot, Night) Ice Wall [target]: Your Glaceon makes a wall of ice around your target, protecting them from kills this Night and the next Night.
(1-Shot, Night) Vinesnare [target]: Your Leafeon surrounds your target in tangling vines, causing non-kill actions used on them this Night to fail!
(1-Shot, Night) Soul Drain [target]: Your Sylveon drains your target’s vital self, and removes all shots from a random shotted ability they possess!
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(Reference) (Status) Soaked: You are soaked in water! This has no innate effect apart from being publicly visible.
(Reference) (Status) On Fire: You are burning! This has no innate effect.
Eleven left now - and not a single greater foe yet revealed. Perhaps you celebrate at this, perhaps you frown. Either way you step into the darkness.
Night 2 has begun. Please submit your actions by 5 PM Central time Monday, via PM or alignment-confirmed public chat.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 24, 2022, 06:16:40 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 24, 2022, 11:18:47 pm
Today, you perform the traditional ritual of FBYOR - rising to a morning where nobody has fallen, to the Most Elder's faint and distant disappointment.
The eleven of you that lived after webadict's execution have all returned.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (13): EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, Nakéen, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, TolyK, ToonyMan, TricMagic, Vector
7 to hammer.
Time begins to quicken. The early stages of the game of FBYOR are done, and now the hastened times begin.
Day 3 has begun. Day 3 will end October 26th, Wednesday, 11 PM Central time, or upon a hammer. You may now post and get to frantically accusing each other.
Post by: Vector on October 24, 2022, 11:25:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 24, 2022, 11:26:35 pm
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nobody is dead
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2022, 11:34:08 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2022, 11:38:00 pm
I'll verify who it is when they claim.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 24, 2022, 11:44:56 pm
these nuts
to anybody. I did something different.
I'm glad webadict was a mafia ally because then he purposefully made everything confusing which stings much less than if he were purposelessly doing it.
Nobody dying is a really obnoxious outcome since the Day 3 decision will have to be made with Day 1 and Day 2 information and whatever nonsense the Night 2 information brings, which is almost guaranteed to be confounding nonsense. A flip would have been nice to help focus the search a little.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2022, 11:46:47 pm
Why NJW is town:
1. Mally!Web tried to kill NJW on N1 by Soaking and Shocking him so Web must have felt confident that NJW was town.
2. NJW didn't try to quickhammer Web to survive another day before NQT killed him on D2, that would take some solid nerves as mafia.
3. NJW put his life on the line and drew a lot of attention to himself to try to vote out Web, this seems very risky as mafia.
On D2 I restricted Nakeen's targets on N2 to three players. I could say who but I'm curious about a couple things. Such as Vector's snap vote and the lack of kill.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2022, 11:50:09 pm
I didn't hand out any ofI should mention that my watch ability has a mandatory effect that goes along with it. 8)
these nuts
to anybody. I did something different.
Post by: Nakéen on October 24, 2022, 11:50:16 pm
So I ended up not doing anything!
1) Someone tried to suggest me to do something by limiting me to some targets.
2) I got roleblocked anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: Nakéen on October 24, 2022, 11:51:31 pm
I was tempted to watch NJW since he's so obviously town, but Jim is confirmed town by Tric and more likely to draw the kill so I watched Jim instead.Oh Ninja! Well I'm glad I understood it well, I ended up being roleblocked. I crashed into a broom closet, wasn't someone previously who also got that?
Why NJW is town:
1. Mally!Web tried to kill NJW on N1 by Soaking and Shocking him so Web must have felt confident that NJW was town.
2. NJW didn't try to quickhammer Web to survive another day before NQT killed him on D2, that would take some solid nerves as mafia.
3. NJW put his life on the line and drew a lot of attention to himself to try to vote out Web, this seems very risky as mafia.
On D2 I restricted Nakeen's targets on N2 to three players. I could say who but I'm curious about a couple things. Such as Vector's snap vote and the lack of kill.
Post by: Nakéen on October 24, 2022, 11:53:04 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 24, 2022, 11:53:31 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 24, 2022, 11:56:53 pm
I'm sorry Nakeen but I know you're mafia nowWhy
I didn't expect that coming from you, shouldn't an inspect have cleared me?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 12:02:14 am
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 12:04:36 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 12:14:46 am
Anyone want to claim to visit me? Second claimant is probably scum, so I would advise claiming ASAP.
I visited you. Or at least, I attempted to. You should have been roleblocked.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 12:15:51 am
I'm bluffing for a reaction, don't worry I don't know for sure.I'm sorry Nakeen but I know you're mafia nowWhy
I didn't expect that coming from you, shouldn't an inspect have cleared me?
I don't really believe you were roleblocked by someone other than me. My day ability roleblocks the player if they don't target one of the players I give them. I think what happened here is you targeted one of them and were redirected off of them? It's suspicious though since nobody died last night, that's understandable yeah?
So who I suspect is ToonyMan redirected me toward three potential targets: TolyK, Vector, and juicebox. I saw this as a subtle message, and went to Delay TolyK instead, but crashed into a broom closet afterward.That is correct. I gave you Vector as the player you said you would delay as well as TolyK or Juicebox as alternatives. I was going to do Jack instead of Juicebox but I wasn't sure if we would actually lynch Jack over Web.
I think there's a high chance mafia is inside Vector/Nakeen.
I still think Jack is mafia too.
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 12:17:56 am
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 12:19:22 am
Yes that's pretty understandable. Is it possible for the Mafia to choose not to use the MafiaKill by the way?I'm bluffing for a reaction, don't worry I don't know for sure.I'm sorry Nakeen but I know you're mafia nowWhy
I didn't expect that coming from you, shouldn't an inspect have cleared me?
I don't really believe you were roleblocked by someone other than me. My day ability roleblocks the player if they don't target one of the players I give them. I think what happened here is you targeted one of them and were redirected off of them? It's suspicious though since nobody died last night, that's understandable yeah?So who I suspect is ToonyMan redirected me toward three potential targets: TolyK, Vector, and juicebox. I saw this as a subtle message, and went to Delay TolyK instead, but crashed into a broom closet afterward.That is correct. I gave you Vector as the player you said you would delay as well as TolyK or Juicebox as alternatives. I was going to do Jack instead of Juicebox but I wasn't sure if we would actually lynch Jack over Web.
I think there's a high chance mafia is inside Vector/Nakeen.
I still think Jack is mafia too.
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 12:20:39 am
NakeenSo fast I thought it belonged to the previous day. Where you the one who roleblocked me Vector?
Post by: Vector on October 25, 2022, 12:24:52 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 12:30:37 am
Anyone want to claim to visit me? Second claimant is probably scum, so I would advise claiming ASAP.
I visited you. Or at least, I attempted to. You should have been roleblocked.
Want to confirm being roleblocked Jack?
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 12:34:20 am
NopeThat's not helping much. What did you do for an action last night then?
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 12:36:35 am
I can confirm that I was roleblocked. So we know one person that visited me.Anyone want to claim to visit me? Second claimant is probably scum, so I would advise claiming ASAP.
I visited you. Or at least, I attempted to. You should have been roleblocked.
Want to confirm being roleblocked Jack?
Anyone else want to claim to have visited me?
Post by: Vector on October 25, 2022, 12:38:09 am
NopeThat's not helping much. What did you do for an action last night then?
:V
Post by: TolyK on October 25, 2022, 01:53:33 am
I only got confirmation that I had done my action. My target should probably wait a bit to say who they are, given it's easy to confirm and there isn't too much info around them this night yet. Also, don't assume it's exactly the same choice.
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 03:37:33 am
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I really suggest you at least tell why Nakeen. Is it mechanical or read-based?NopeThat's not helping much. What did you do for an action last night then?
:V
Post by: TolyK on October 25, 2022, 04:13:30 am
nyah~~!oh no
Also, DO NOT HAMMER VECTOR.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 04:15:26 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 25, 2022, 04:36:00 am
So I did nothing
Bruh
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 25, 2022, 04:37:39 am
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Post by: TricMagic on October 25, 2022, 07:41:13 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 25, 2022, 07:42:20 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 08:57:18 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 09:14:00 am
Action Claim:
I used an ability that forced Vector, Toony and Nakeen to target me. As far as I know, it worked.
Results Claim
Vector visited me; I was told this. I also was given a status that undeniably looks a bit anti-town.
Vector: care to comment?
Also, I was magicked pretty hard in the night. I know I was asking for it, but would anyone like to claim?
...aaand I lost an item. Toonyman: how come you know someone lost an item?
Vector is the meowfia, nyah~~!Uh... you couldn't go back to the countdown of normal posts that kills me, could you?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 09:17:15 am
I knew something was off because my watch ability also steals an item from my target and Jim shouldn't have any items unless he was lying. The item I got is something I believe NJW would have.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 09:22:42 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 09:29:36 am
OHH
Knightwiiiing, how sharp are your teeth? Are you a killer like me? This is sewious business, mew!
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 25, 2022, 09:42:05 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 09:44:07 am
Jim stopped Jack from killing while Vector gave NJW some bad status.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 09:55:48 am
My watch result was that Vector visited Jim. FoU screwed up at first and told me both Nakeen and Vector visited Jim.Uh-huh... and you are being coy about the name of this item because?
I knew something was off because my watch ability also steals an item from my target and Jim shouldn't have any items unless he was lying. The item I got is something I believe NJW would have.
What?I think he's claiming an inspection result on you indicating you have a kill or something.
Probably a good idea to respond to that.
Jim stopped Jack from killing while Vector gave NJW some bad status.This makes sense, but nothing's solved if you've not proven mafia never none'd.
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 10:08:00 am
Knightwiiiiiiiing, do you like to eat the little mousekeys too? Do you have little bit of MURDER in your heart, mew?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 10:19:27 am
Want me to say what I took from you? I don't see the point in letting mafia know what I have unless you really want me to say.My watch result was that Vector visited Jim. FoU screwed up at first and told me both Nakeen and Vector visited Jim.Uh-huh... and you are being coy about the name of this item because?
I knew something was off because my watch ability also steals an item from my target and Jim shouldn't have any items unless he was lying. The item I got is something I believe NJW would have.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 10:28:03 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 10:28:37 am
Knightwing and Tric both none'd, but they're very likely town.Jim stopped Jack from killing while Vector gave NJW some bad status.This makes sense, but nothing's solved if you've not proven mafia never none'd.
Post by: Vector on October 25, 2022, 11:03:52 am
Vector visited me; I was told this. I also was given a status that undeniably looks a bit anti-town.
Vector: care to comment?
I targeted Toony with it, and Toony has told us he doesn't have a kill.
I also inspected Toony (apparently you). You are town.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 11:27:22 am
I.e. as far as I know, all that happened to me was an announced visit by Vector; a status Vector has semi-confirmed they bestow; and an item getting stolen from me.
Vector:
So... your visit is normally self-announcing?
Also, you're aware how dubious the status you gave me is, right? Like, it's difficult to believe that a town player would give it to people? While there's a specific use case for the mafia given by this game in particular? And that in that case, you'd have used it exactly correctly N1?
You see how bad this looks?
NQT: are you looking to get KW eliminated here? And if you're willing to tell us, Alpha, Beta or Omega? Answer carefully.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 11:37:00 am
I mean if you got poisoned or something then Vector did it. Vector is the only one that targeted you besides me taking your shit.
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 11:39:31 am
My watch result was that Vector visited Jim. FoU screwed up at first and told me both Nakeen and Vector visited Jim.
I knew something was off because my watch ability also steals an item from my target and Jim shouldn't have any items unless he was lying. The item I got is something I believe NJW would have.
Is this why Nakeen was roleblocked? They weren't allowed to target NJW on N2 because of me so it should roleblock them if I understand how this works.
I'm sure the roleblock is because of a 2nd party. Either someone directly roleblocked me, or redirect me from TolyK to someone that is neither Vector nor juicebox.
KnightWing64 are you sure you didn't use your redirect this Night?
Anyone else can shed some light on what happened around TolyK and me last night?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 11:42:21 am
You got redirected to NJW by NJW. It's probably the other ability that Juicebox saw D1.
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 11:44:23 am
Ok, was hoping for a claim from Vector, but I think their workday has begun.Ah sorry, I didn't read carefully enough. So I got redirected on you NJW, which thus caused me to be roleblocked by ToonyMan's day action because you weren't part of the targets I was restricted to.
Action Claim:
I used an ability that forced Vector, Toony and Nakeen to target me. As far as I know, it worked.
Results Claim
Vector visited me; I was told this. I also was given a status that undeniably looks a bit anti-town.
Vector: care to comment?
Also, I was magicked pretty hard in the night. I know I was asking for it, but would anyone like to claim?
...aaand I lost an item. Toonyman: how come you know someone lost an item?Vector is the meowfia, nyah~~!Uh... you couldn't go back to the countdown of normal posts that kills me, could you?
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 11:46:54 am
@NJW:Not exactly.
I mean if you got poisoned or something then Vector did it. Vector is the only one that targeted you besides me taking your shit.
I want to hear NQT announce his results before I go into what this is, I think. If I do at all. That might solve some stuff.
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 11:56:19 am
Post by: Vector on October 25, 2022, 12:00:58 pm
So... your visit is normally self-announcing?
Also, you're aware how dubious the status you gave me is, right? Like, it's difficult to believe that a town player would give it to people? While there's a specific use case for the mafia given by this game in particular? And that in that case, you'd have used it exactly correctly N1?
You see how bad this looks?
I can choose whether to announce myself or not. D1, I didn't announce myself to Web. D2, I thought "my feet are in the fire, better confirm my action somehow if people are going to keep claiming I did shit I didn't do."
It's a flawed status for sure, but again, if you have learned that someone doesn't have a kill, it's functionally a free bulletproof, so that's not bad.
How the fuck did you think we were getting all these inspects? It's not that Fallacy didn't put tons of inspects into the game -- he apparently did. At least in my case, he just gave me an inspect with flaws.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 12:05:18 pm
You won't hear one more meow outta me before Kniiiigghtwingg spills the milk! ~~nyah!Ok, see this post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417555#msg8417555) Either you deny an SK-result, or you deny you belive the claim, I don't see what else needs to happen.
Okay, claim:
The status Vector gave me makes it so my kill actions cannot kill a mafia-aligned player. And another thing.
And they successfully used it... on the person with the claimed kill. Who turned out to be the mally.
The fact that they just announced a bulletproofing is also dubious as heck.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 12:16:14 pm
I'm guessing that mafia!Vector didn't think Web was a mally so they targeted Web on N1 to stop them from possibly killing mafia with their Shock. So on N1 the mafia killed Max while Vector tried to shut off Web from killing mafia, however Knightwing redirected Vector to Max so it didn't matter.
The whole revive thing Web was saying on D2 might have been a lie to see if Vector was "in on it" or not? I'd have to double check their interactions again.
And yes, the amount of inspections seems really high.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 12:22:02 pm
You won't hear one more meow outta me before Kniiiigghtwingg spills the milk! ~~nyah!Good job inspecting the miller.
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 12:25:49 pm
Either you deny an SK-result, or you deny you belive the claim, I don't see what else needs to happen.Nope! I want to hear it with my little fluffy ears from Kniiighhhghhghtwing himself, mew!
All he needs to say is "I'm not meowfia and I don't actually have a deadly ability" if that's the truth!
Good job inspecting the miller.I'm not a silly kitty, I know exactly what he claimed before! ~~nyah!
Post by: TricMagic on October 25, 2022, 12:26:13 pm
... Vector, you see how sus that is right?You won't hear one more meow outta me before Kniiiigghtwingg spills the milk! ~~nyah!Ok, see this post. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417555#msg8417555) Either you deny an SK-result, or you deny you belive the claim, I don't see what else needs to happen.
Okay, claim:
The status Vector gave me makes it so my kill actions cannot kill a mafia-aligned player. And another thing.
And they successfully used it... on the person with the claimed kill. Who turned out to be the mally.
The fact that they just announced a bulletproofing is also dubious as heck.
Is it just mafallies all the way down?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 12:29:49 pm
Anything else?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 12:56:46 pm
Jim stopped Jack from killing while Vector gave NJW some bad status.This makes sense, but nothing's solved if you've not proven mafia never none'd.
Do the mafia not kill during N2? It's possible but I'd say they at least try to.
mousekeys
meowsekeys
Okay, claim:... Vector, you see how sus that is right?
The status Vector gave me makes it so my kill actions cannot kill a mafia-aligned player. And another thing.
And they successfully used it... on the person with the claimed kill. Who turned out to be the mally.
The fact that they just announced a bulletproofing is also dubious as heck.
Is it just mafallies all the way down?
The existence of an ability that prevents kills against mafia targets doesn't necessarily mean that it's a mafia only ability.
It would be like if you had a role that was town but it had a Godfather auto.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 01:19:38 pm
So, someone DID try a kill last night, ON ME. I have an ability that prevents me from being night killed, and it triggered last night.
I have an ability that scrambles a player's targeting. Since I didn't trust how much power Toony had amassed yesterday, I was attempting to use it on him. But I got roleblocked, and almost killed.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 01:30:38 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 25, 2022, 01:40:20 pm
I mean, if I redirect someone with a kill action into somebody else, that might kill them? But I don’t have actually kill action and I’m town soooo
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 01:43:46 pm
I have an ability that scrambles a player's targeting. Since I didn't trust how much power Toony had amassed yesterday, I was attempting to use it on him. But I got roleblocked, and almost killed.I have even more power than yesterday now, fear me.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 01:49:17 pm
(Item): A transferable, mobile ability. Multiple rules apply:Wow I'm stupid FoU talked about the public item pool before game start...it's just not in the OP.
-As a Day action you may choose an Item ability you possess and give it to another player, which resolves at the end of the Day but before the execution.
-You may not give away an Item ability the same Phase you gained it.
-If you die while your role contains an Item ability, it enters the public pool. The public pool is always visible during the Day. As a Day action, you may attempt to retrieve a specific Item ability from the public pool and add it to your role. This resolves at the end of the Day, after the execution. If multiple players go for the same pool-bound Item, nobody gets it.
-If an Item ability is shotted and all of its shots are expended, then it is destroyed after effect resolution.
If Jim wants I can give him his nuts back today (unless he thinks someone else should have them), I don't really need them. I think that uses up my day ability action, but whatever.
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 01:52:19 pm
Anyway I didn't target you! I was being a tricky kitty.
Nakeen, on N1 I investigated Juicebox. You were one of my top suspects on N2. So tell me...
Do you have sharp claws? Do you have the power to kill, mew? Are the tasty little birdies unsafe around you? Be honest! ~~nyah!
Post by: TolyK on October 25, 2022, 02:56:56 pm
NJW apparently tried to action me, but got redirected/blocked. As far as I know, no other statuses with me have changed. I've give out another choice, I think the target is still considering, which is a good idea IMO.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 03:05:29 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 03:17:45 pm
That's purrfect mews, Kniighttwiiingg!notquitethere I have a night kill action, but it's tied to my Delay ability as a bonus effect, which I am not able to use. Here is what it does: if I delay a kill action, the next Night I am told so and I can choose to essentially redirect it. It is explicitely stated it counts as a kill action, and I lost my delay if I use the kill component.
Anyway I didn't target you! I was being a tricky kitty.
Nakeen, on N1 I investigated Juicebox. You were one of my top suspects on N2. So tell me...
Do you have sharp claws? Do you have the power to kill, mew? Are the tasty little birdies unsafe around you? Be honest! ~~nyah!
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 03:25:55 pm
Unvote so Vector isn't hammered. Still waiting to figure out what is going on today.As far I know I am the one who got redirected. I targeted you but Jim forced me to target him.
NJW apparently tried to action me, but got redirected/blocked. As far as I know, no other statuses with me have changed. I've give out another choice, I think the target is still considering, which is a good idea IMO.
Post by: notquitethere on October 25, 2022, 03:56:36 pm
I like the fishy, so I was fishing to see which of you I trust least might trip! So... Nakéen admits to sometime being a naughty pussycat... Plausible!
I was having a catnap last night and I did sweet nothing, mew! Even though I didn't see it through, using my claws on D2 meant I had no night action. As no one guessed, but makes purrfect sense if you stop and think about it, the powers I have match my current personality, so I won't have an inspect until you see Mr Roboto again! ~~nyah!
(What will I do tonight?? Lick someone's fur? Get under their feet and trip them up! Meeeee-ow!)
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 04:05:16 pm
It would be nice if the second person that voted me claimed, but they probably won't.
So, someone DID try a kill last night, ON ME. I have an ability that prevents me from being night killed, and it triggered last night.
I have an ability that scrambles a player's targeting. Since I didn't trust how much power Toony had amassed yesterday, I was attempting to use it on him. But I got roleblocked, and almost killed.
I lied a little. I actually tried to kill you. My action was both a roleblock and a kill. I really wanted to eliminate all the WIFOM webadict caused so you had to go too.
Lucky that you survived.
If Jim wants I can give him his nuts back today (unless he thinks someone else should have them), I don't really need them. I think that uses up my day ability action, but whatever.
I don't care, you can keep them or give them to someone else.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 04:11:35 pm
It would be nice if the second person that voted me claimed, but they probably won't.
So, someone DID try a kill last night, ON ME. I have an ability that prevents me from being night killed, and it triggered last night.
I have an ability that scrambles a player's targeting. Since I didn't trust how much power Toony had amassed yesterday, I was attempting to use it on him. But I got roleblocked, and almost killed.
I lied a little. I actually tried to kill you. My action was both a roleblock and a kill. I really wanted to eliminate all the WIFOM webadict caused so you had to go too.
Lucky that you survived.
So there was probably no second person who targeted you. It was meee.
Post by: TricMagic on October 25, 2022, 04:15:48 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 04:18:28 pm
Mafia Inventor strikes again.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 04:22:40 pm
EuchreJack.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 04:27:15 pm
Jim GoovesterTry harder Jack.
Mafia Inventor strikes again.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 04:53:25 pm
Cuz mafia claims their one shot kills.See, you didn't say that before.
EuchreJack.
Voting works!
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 04:53:59 pm
Jack - tried to randomize Toony, got roleblocked, had their protection trigger to survive a kill
Tric - none'd
Knightwing - none'd
Jim - roleblocked and tried to kill Jack
NQT - none'd
NJW - made Toony, Vector, and Nakeen have to target NJW
Toony - tried to watch Jim, watched NJW instead and saw Vector target NJW, stole an item from NJW
TolyK - did something with someone?
Vector - tried to inspect Toony, inspected NJW instead and gave them a negative status, got a town result
juicebox - probably none'd? they claim to have no night actions
Nakéen - tried to delay TolyK, got redirected to NJW and roleblocked
Nobody died at night.
Jack is accusing Jim to be mafia and that Jim tried to kill him last night.
Is Jim a godfather, was Tric's inspect on N1 being messed with, or is Tric in cahoots with Jim?
1. Jim is a godfather
Maybe, I guess it's possible.
2. Tric's inspect is being messed with
We already know NJW bus swapped himself with Jim, so we already cleared up the redirect thanks to NJW. It's still possible another unknown redirect happened though.
3. Tric in cahoots with Jim
Unlikely, Tric tried to inspect NJW on N1, not Jim. If Tric was in cahoots with Jim they would have tried to "inspect" Jim, not NJW.
If Jim is town then mafia chose not to kill or were roleblocked.
Likely players that could have mafiakilled include Jack, Tric, Knightwing, NQT, Juicebox, and Nakeen. (don't know what's fully up with TolyK last night though)
I don't really think mafia choose not to kill here so we can remove Tric, Knightwing, NQT, and Juicebox.
That leaves Jack and Nakeen as players that were roleblocked. I think it's likely one of these players tried to kill and failed.
That's not the main reason I'm voting Jack though. Jack has been scummy this whole game and we need to see him flip.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 05:00:56 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 25, 2022, 05:24:59 pm
Not when I've already inspected Jim. He's town.Cuz mafia claims their one shot kills.See, you didn't say that before.
EuchreJack.
Voting works!
Post by: Nakéen on October 25, 2022, 05:48:20 pm
Nakéen, how do you know you were redirected?Honestly I don't know. I know I was roleblocked, probably by Toony and NJW's combo, but there was no mention of a redirect. I assumed I was redirected based on NJW and Toony claims.
Spoiler: ToonyMan's analysys (click to show/hide)
I wouldn't immediately dismiss the No Action claims so quickly if I were you. With webadict's flip and nqt's day action, it would be very strange not to try to do something on the following night.
Based on webadict's flip the one we should focus on is clearly EuchreJack, and a close look should be kept on Vector. They tried to give something to webadict on N1, and overall has been a lurking submarine the entire game.
@EuchreJack needs to go and I won't be convinced otherwise. Furthermore Jack's flip will also give us information on notquitethere, and whether or not we can trust the cat-robot-pirate-assassin.
In addition @Vector, despite being mostly passive the whole game you have been on my back without giving an explanation. The others at least put some effort on that end, and even I can get a little grudge :(
Post by: NJW2000 on October 25, 2022, 06:06:56 pm
Also not going to rule out mafia none-ing, if only to further screw with town's heads. It does seem unlikely though. If we're following a pattern of Unconfirmed N1/ Roleblocked N2, it's Nakeen we're looking at. To introduce a further element of WIFOM: does mafia have the same person kill twice? Probably only if there's another ability they want to use each night.
Vector/Nakeen is still plausible to me. Could this be distancing?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 06:13:23 pm
Nakéen, how do you know you were redirected?Jim and Nakeen both got a list of who they're allowed to target the next night. NJW's redirect would be hidden from me, Vector, and Nakeen though.
NJW probably thought Vector or Nakeen would try to kill last night so he targeted them along with me to make sure I would watch and know which players could have killed him.
I'm okay with voting Vector today. Don't really think Nakeen is scum.
Post by: juicebox on October 25, 2022, 07:00:26 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 07:55:21 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 25, 2022, 07:56:18 pm
Well, Vector ain't me, so whatever.Well, this ain't Town Jack.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 25, 2022, 07:58:10 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 08:01:09 pm
It would be a lot easier if I wasn't always on defense this game.Well, Vector ain't me, so whatever.Well, this ain't Town Jack.
I mean, I know I'm town. I don't know Vector is Town. Ipso facto, Vector's death is preferred to mine.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 08:01:34 pm
Well, I do hearby declare that quite a few fellas are acting very strange
Which ones?
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 25, 2022, 08:31:00 pm
You, Vector, Nakeen, hell, even Toony.
Something is up
Post by: EuchreJack on October 25, 2022, 09:11:35 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 09:18:10 pm
It would be a lot easier if I wasn't always on defense this game.You can do whatever you want Jack.
All of the onesMuahahahaha!!
You, Vector, Nakeen, hell, even Toony.
Something is up
Post by: ToonyMan on October 25, 2022, 09:20:24 pm
^Well, Vector ain't me, so whatever.Well, this ain't Town Jack.
Tric being observant.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 25, 2022, 09:35:37 pm
Sorry guys, I haven't been feeling well lately. Also, I didn't use any of my day actions. From what I've read so far, My top suspect is Nakeen
But why? I think Nakeen has pretty good odds of being town.
It would be a lot easier if I wasn't always on defense this game.Well, Vector ain't me, so whatever.Well, this ain't Town Jack.
I mean, I know I'm town. I don't know Vector is Town. Ipso facto, Vector's death is preferred to mine.
What does EuchreJack's solution to the game look like then?
Post by: TolyK on October 25, 2022, 11:38:34 pm
I didn't try to action you... where are you getting this info?I meant Nakeen who claimed a few posts before. Late night & all that, sry.
Post by: Vector on October 25, 2022, 11:46:31 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 26, 2022, 12:02:19 am
1) Web's Mafia-ally flip means Vector is suspicious, since they seemed to be working together. Web did a pretty good job of implicating me. We still don't know how I was soaked, although I still think Web soaking me is the most likely explanation.
2) juicebox was cleared by NQT, but I find juicebox's ability use and restrictions to be suspicious. NQT appears to me to be Town, as NQT attempted to kill a player they felt was scummy, then upon further examination while the player was dying determined that player was town and thus saved that player.
3) I have generally given Knightwing and Tric a pass as Town. I'm 98% sure about Tric. I'm less sure about Knightwing, but this very much seems like town!Knightwing
4) TolyK continues to worry me. Apparently nobody cares though.
5) NJW2000 is someone that I am unsure about.
6) Nakeen seems to have an alibi for now.
7) Jim tried to kill me. Null, as I could see that as vigilante, which was claimed properly. Or could be on the team that tried to kill me.
8) Toony is totally scum. Actually, he's been pushing for my lunch for so much of the game, I just can't be objective. Few seem to be scum reading him, and some are so convinced he's town that they're openly helping him.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 01:47:06 am
I'm probably not going to be around that much for the duration because of work. I think EuchreJack is a pretty good vote but there's a bit more I'd like to look into to firm up my position but I doubt I'll be able to do that.
Vector, is the status webadict erroneously received from you during N1 the same status that NJW2000 received? It seems like you targeted both of them with the same action.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 01:50:35 am
notquitethere, does your ability you used on juicebox work on actual alignment or apparent alignment? E.G., how does a miller fit into your Alpha, Beta, Omega categories and how does a godfather fit into it?
notquitethere never answered this.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 26, 2022, 04:29:43 am
Vector: why did you try to give this status to the player who had explicitly declared they were going to kill N1?
Post by: notquitethere on October 26, 2022, 04:42:20 am
mew...notquitethere, does your ability you used on juicebox work on actual alignment or apparent alignment? E.G., how does a miller fit into your Alpha, Beta, Omega categories and how does a godfather fit into it?
notquitethere never answered this.
unless he's a godfather OR redirect results can lie about the target in the PM AND I be redirected, then he's not scum.
I inspected Juice and they are definitely NOT mafia (unless they're a godfather or such, but let's set those sails when they come).
TolyK, Juicebox explicitly claimed all their powers, not a miller claim among them is there? That's the whole reason I didn't target you, as the mod told me when I asked that a miller ability might mess with me mojo.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 26, 2022, 04:45:21 am
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (4): Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, Nakéen, TricMagic
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
Vector (2): notquitethere, EuchreJack
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (6): juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, NJW2000, NJW2000, TolyK
7 to hammer.
Day 3 ends today, at 11 PM Central/Forum time, approximately 18 hours from now. Or upon a hammer.
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 05:36:25 am
Even though we have one less player than Day 2 and three less players than Day 1 and eleven players total with zero scum found, it is nonetheless a good time to change the days from 72 hours to 48 hours and as a result the day ends in less than 24 hours which means quite a few people need to get a move on it.My current read of the situation is a bit dependent on my action results. To be a bit more clear, I gave someone (not Toony) another choice.
with the same action.
However, here is the gist:
1. Vector is my #1 pick, primarily because of Webadict association, not-really-checkable actions last few nights, and some from the day game. The flawed inspect is interesting (I think it's not inconceivable for such an ability).
2. Jack's recent posts are... yeah. Hard to tell if frustrated mafia or really frustrated town, but I'd lean towards the first. :D
3. Tric seems pretty decent. Healthy skepticism. I had some odd feeling D2 but I'm not sure where it came from.
4. Jim seems quite town and direct.
5. Toony hasn't given much reason to doubt him yet.
6. Knightwing64 not actioning is suspicious, but besides that kinda null read for me (didn't pay much attention while rereading).
7. Nakeen - townish null read.
8. Juicebox - honestly, I don't remember much at all.
9.
Juice why is Nakeen your top pick?
Nakeen:
So who I suspect is ToonyMan redirected me toward three potential targets: TolyK, Vector, and juicebox. I saw this as a subtle message, and went to Delay TolyK instead, but crashed into a broom closet afterward.
If I had been delayed, would I know? If not, and your delay was actually successful (and not roleblocked?), it might change my decision making this day...
PPE: Well then. Got results...
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 05:45:50 am
Now... Everyone, given how many inspects we seem to have, how likely is it for mafia to actually have inspection powers of their own? Or is it supposedly balanced by negative effects + millers and such?
Given the mafia-ally reveal, I'm actually slightly more worried about mafia having true inspects.
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 05:48:08 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 26, 2022, 06:13:44 am
Looking at D1, Web's listed possible targets and Vector's scumreads/wagons seem to mostly align. I guess Web didn't 100% say where he was going to shoot, but it certainly didn't look like town!Vector would want to stop the shot.
I think just Vector here, unless there's like, a really good explanation?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 07:03:04 am
What'd you offer Tric? Another inspect?
Post by: NJW2000 on October 26, 2022, 07:54:51 am
Anyone considering EJ over Vector I thus consider dubious as heck. Especially older and stronger players like Toony ???
Also, on a meta-level, EJ's tell is calmness, not aggression. See MVM1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=178730.msg8316185#msg8316185)where Toony successfully reads them on this (bit below post I linked, but point is scum!EJ looks like Patrick Bateman, not Iago.)
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 08:12:37 am
@TolyK:Something related.
What'd you offer Tric? Another inspect?
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 08:17:55 am
@TolyK:Very much a gift of the magi. My inspects can't be obscured. But I no longer have an inspect to use. Also it renders me uninspectable...
What'd you offer Tric? Another inspect?
hua... The latter isn't really needed, but better people know about that particular bit. Specifically, investigative actions, which feels more chaos-aligned. So we know what Fal's theme for this game is.
Ninja.
Post by: notquitethere on October 26, 2022, 08:38:29 am
There are a lot of inspect powers but they each have
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:07:40 am
I see. TolyK appears to hand out two-sided abilities that either benefit town or mafia depending on which side they want to use. In this case the ability to have an always true inspect or to become uninspectable.@TolyK:Very much a gift of the magi. My inspects can't be obscured. But I no longer have an inspect to use. Also it renders me uninspectable...
What'd you offer Tric? Another inspect?
hua... The latter isn't really needed, but better people know about that particular bit. Specifically, investigative actions, which feels more chaos-aligned. So we know what Fal's theme for this game is.
Ninja.
Why'd you give your inspect away? Why didn't you inspect on N2?
@NJW:
You don't think Jack is playing just like MVM3 Round 1?
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 09:23:01 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 26, 2022, 09:33:24 am
@NJW:Not really... this seems more aggressive, less controlled, but also more constructive in certain ways... trying to start wagons even when not under much pressure, pushing people with their vote, and so on. It's true that they haven't exactly townspewed, but they're also not as hyperfocused as they were in MVM1.
You don't think Jack is playing just like MVM3 Round 1?
To be honest, I can't read EJ all that well compared to a lot of people on the forum. I know I've claimed otherwise, but I was mafia and lying then :P
Vector I can't read at all tonally, they're highly skilled and don't give much away. But I do know that they try to make mafia win when they're mafia, and don't when they're town, so I think the N1 action and their announcing my bulletproofing is incriminating enough.
Not doublevoting due to hammer, but be aware that I intend to use the other one at some point.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:39:06 am
I've already said my abilities are 1-shot toony. Did you forget, or are you mafia? You meshed really well with webadict.How'd you hand over a spent one-shot ability?
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 09:46:32 am
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:47:51 am
To follow up, Juicebox can refill one-shots. Didn't care to ask him or are you unable to read still?I've already said my abilities are 1-shot toony. Did you forget, or are you mafia? You meshed really well with webadict.How'd you hand over a spent one-shot ability?
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 09:58:27 am
I'm assuming TolyK's is filled already, otherwise really is a story of magi.
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 09:59:36 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 10:05:05 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 10:06:51 am
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 10:34:33 am
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 10:39:47 am
Post by: Vector on October 26, 2022, 11:56:09 am
Vector I can't read at all tonally, they're highly skilled and don't give much away. But I do know that they try to make mafia win when they're mafia, and don't when they're town, so I think the N1 action and their announcing my bulletproofing is incriminating enough.
LOL.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 12:23:49 pm
I did miss/forget about the one-shottedness of your inspect, otherwise I would've chosen someone else. :PIs the inspect that Tric gave you spent? Juicebox could refill it for you to use tonight. This is highly telegraphed, but that didn't stop them ignoring Tric on N1.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 02:49:23 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 03:10:11 pm
Give us the juice.
Squeeze your Juicebox.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 03:21:31 pm
I have nothing substantial to add to this day.
Don't hammer because I need to decide on a day action before deadline.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 03:38:01 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 26, 2022, 03:50:01 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 03:54:16 pm
Jim I know you want to kill someone, but :PAlternatively, they're lying and don't have a recharge action. Go on, give town some juice.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 26, 2022, 04:21:39 pm
I may well be asleep for day end, and I have stuff in the rest of my evening.
And I suggest people put their votes where they want them for the end of day. This game has vote-based powers, so holding back or forgetting to move your vote could be extremely damaging.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 26, 2022, 04:24:55 pm
So be careful. Anyone that brings us to hammer or one from hammer early is going to come under heavy suspicion.
Post by: Nakéen on October 26, 2022, 04:42:55 pm
Nakeen:So who I suspect is ToonyMan redirected me toward three potential targets: TolyK, Vector, and juicebox. I saw this as a subtle message, and went to Delay TolyK instead, but crashed into a broom closet afterward.
If I had been delayed, would I know? If not, and your delay was actually successful (and not roleblocked?), it might change my decision making this day...
PPE: Well then. Got results...
That's unclear. My ability doesn't mention a roleblock, but it says the recipient will be told their action failed. So I can assume that if you were told your action failed but you were not explicitly roleblocked, then I probably actually managed to delay you through a roleblock?
That sounds very unlikely though.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 07:14:23 pm
Would juicebox do something as nakedly town as recharge a kill one shot action? Would he do something as nakedly town as show faith in another player like that?If there's three mafia I want to believe it's Jack/Vector/Juicebox. I don't have any evidence of this. I don't really have time to look into older game posts today before day ends, but I will if I'm alive tomorrow and we have a flip today that's enlightening.
I think this setup is either three mafia with a mafia-ally or maybe two mafia with a mafia ally and SK. That's it.
But then, I hear you ask: "Toony, if there's a SK then where have the second kills been?"
Well I'm glad you asked! If TolyK is some form of Devil like in Supernatural then he already has me and Tric triggered for death. I believe he picked both of us because he knows we'll accept the offers. Do I think TolyK is SK? Not really, but it's something to keep in mind if the game doesn't end with the mafia.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 07:20:57 pm
Do I think TolyK is SK? Not really, but it's something to keep in mind if the game doesn't end with the mafia.Let me rephrase that: I'm still 50/50 like before, but I don't really care right now until all mafia are dead.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 26, 2022, 07:32:09 pm
Dunno if that helps any, but…
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 08:56:28 pm
I need to send my day action before then and I should probably go to bed soon so I'll do that. I had a question for FoU but they haven't been on so whatever I'll just send two actions and see which one works.
I think Vector is probably mafia so if they flip mafia I don't really have much to think about.
If Vector flips town I'll be very confused and have to think about stuff.
Post by: TricMagic on October 26, 2022, 09:04:13 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:04:34 pm
Nah TolyK didn't get delayed. They PPE'd that they got their response from Tric here. You did delay me on N1, but I was roleblocked so nothing happened. You weren't able to delay TolyK on N2 since I roleblocked you when you went to NJW instead.Nakeen:So who I suspect is ToonyMan redirected me toward three potential targets: TolyK, Vector, and juicebox. I saw this as a subtle message, and went to Delay TolyK instead, but crashed into a broom closet afterward.
If I had been delayed, would I know? If not, and your delay was actually successful (and not roleblocked?), it might change my decision making this day...
PPE: Well then. Got results...
That's unclear. My ability doesn't mention a roleblock, but it says the recipient will be told their action failed. So I can assume that if you were told your action failed but you were not explicitly roleblocked, then I probably actually managed to delay you through a roleblock?
That sounds very unlikely though.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:05:09 pm
When vector flips town you won't have anything to think about. You're mafia.When? Not if?
Post by: juicebox on October 26, 2022, 09:27:47 pm
Jim I know you want to kill someone, but :PAlternatively, they're lying and don't have a recharge action. Go on, give town some juice.
Sure if you want a refill I can give you one
I Play Pot of Greed.
This ability actually allows me to do one of two things depending on who I target. If I target myself, I can use two extra actions other than this one. If I target another player, then two random shotted abilities of theirs each gain a shot.
Post by: juicebox on October 26, 2022, 09:29:40 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 09:32:13 pm
Post by: juicebox on October 26, 2022, 09:33:06 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 09:34:51 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:44:15 pm
Post by: juicebox on October 26, 2022, 09:47:37 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:49:57 pm
Post by: Nakéen on October 26, 2022, 09:50:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 26, 2022, 09:52:23 pm
Oh I missed that. Well in that case I can switch my target to JimJUICE HIM UP
GATORAAAAADE
MONSTER ENERGY GIVES YOU WINGS
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 26, 2022, 10:20:14 pm
I doubt I'm around for the deadline. I need to drive two hours back home tonight.
Post by: Maximum Spin on October 26, 2022, 11:26:10 pm
What are the votes at and who hasn't cast a vote? I prefer EuchreJack but I'm okay with Vector but I also want to avoid a carefully orchestrated tie.
I doubt I'm around for the deadline. I need to drive two hours back home tonight.
EuchreJack (3): Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, Nakéen
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (1): TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422390#msg8422390)
TricMagic (0):
Vector (5): notquitethere, EuchreJack, TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422360#msg8422360), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422391#msg8422391), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422478#msg8422478)
No Lynch (0):
Not Voting (3): juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64
7 to hammer.
Day 3 ended twenty-five minutes ago, at 11pm American Central Time.
Fallacy, you owe me a $20 votecounting fee.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 27, 2022, 12:58:54 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 27, 2022, 04:29:11 am
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (2): ToonyMan, Nakéen
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (1): Vector
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (1): TricMagic
TricMagic (0):
Vector (6): notquitethere, EuchreJack, TolyK, NJW2000, NJW2000, Jim Groovester
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (3): juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64
7 to hammer.
The scribe simply nods, and inscribes the results of the vote, and calls upon Most Elder for judgement.
Vector smiles slightly wider before a bolt of death strikes them and their avatar breathes no more.
The truth must be revealed, and so it is. This may be your first triumph - or your first loss.
For Vector's alignment was Mafia.
The spirit of their avatar rises, waves goodbye cheekily, and slips away, much to your astonishment.
What unnatural magics did they call upon?
Vector's role was the Public Universal Enemy.
Quote
Public Universal Enemy (mafia):
(Disabled, Auto) Speak of Evil: Your words are vile and honeyed. When you act on a player, you may choose to give them the “Congregation” Status. When you act on a player, you may choose to let them know you visited them.
(Auto) Wandering Spirit: You may communicate in the scumchat after your death, as your spirit rises from its grave.
(Night) Dire Revelation [target]: You listen for unearthly knowledge, and learn your target’s alignment, along with whether or not they visited a player possessing the “Congregation” Status this Night.
(Night) Mesmerizing Sermon [target/self]: You demand to be heard. Each player with the “Congregation” Status changes their target to your target if they (the player being redirected, not your target) are using a single single-target action this Night.
(1-Shot, Night, Mafiakill, Innate) Unholy Martyrdom [target]: You breathe your last and claim an unfortunate soul for your own. You may, and may only, use this ability the Night after your death. If your target has the “Congregation” Status and they are Town-aligned, their alignment changes to Mafia-Ally. This does not count as a kill action.
Quote
(Reference) (Status) Congregation: You are claimed by an unearthly power. If you would be killed, the kill action fails without informing its user. If this occurs, you lose this Status. However, if you use a kill action on a Mafia-aligned player, it will fail without informing you. (Conditional kill actions don’t count if they don’t trigger their lethality.)
Ten left. For you, this may be a setback or a step towards victory. Who can tell?
The shadows welcome your avatars.
Night 3 has begun. Night 3 will end Friday October 28th, 6 PM, Central/forum time. It is unlikely to end early.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 27, 2022, 05:20:44 am
Give me a few hours. If I don't take care of this immediately after that, then I'll extend the Night end to make up for it.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 27, 2022, 10:15:49 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 27, 2022, 08:10:46 pm
Right, I’m handling that after I get home from work. As such I’m extending the Night end to the same time Saturday, with much higher potential to end the Night early.All processing has been completed.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 29, 2022, 12:50:08 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 29, 2022, 05:54:13 pm
Ten remain.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (12): EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, Nakéen, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, TolyK, ToonyMan, TricMagic
7 to hammer.
What remains to be done? There are still villains amongst you all - perhaps you even are one.
Day 4 has begun. Day 4 will end on Monday, 6 PM Central time, October 31st, or on a hammer.
Post by: TricMagic on October 29, 2022, 06:15:17 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on October 29, 2022, 06:20:05 pm
... Although I would say that, wouldn't I?
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 29, 2022, 06:20:23 pm
I gave
these nuts
to TricMagic.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 29, 2022, 06:21:16 pm
Bloodred ink splatters through the windows and crashes upon the floor. It washes over you all briefly, splattering, surging, binding.
It drips down and etches sigils, runes. Quickly it describes numbers. Time passing, and the inevitability - of your death.
You realize (unless perhaps you caused this?) that this is the Mafiakill itself. That spell shared amongst the true villains of every FBYOR, that lethal action.
You have just been mafiakilled.
Well, not yet.
It's more accurate to say that you will be mafiakilled. That is... unless you stop it.
An ability's full text has been publicly revealed!
Quote from: Final Countdown
(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 29, 2022, 06:23:05 pm
After the day began though. Hm.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 29, 2022, 06:24:51 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 29, 2022, 06:25:28 pm
An ability's full text has been publicly revealed!Quote from: Final Countdown(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
:|
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 29, 2022, 06:31:34 pm
Nakeen just went offline very, very quickly.
After the day began though. Hm.
Yep, I only see you, me, TricMagic, and Nakeen have been online recently enough to have done that, although I suppose it could have been an action sent in a discord chat rather than a PM to the moderator.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 06:37:26 pm
Swapped myself with TolyK and dodged Vector's conversion...It doesn't matter. The fact is you're not mafia and not worth voting. Whether there was no kill last night because Vector converted you to mally or not doesn't matter.
... Although I would say that, wouldn't I?
I was roleblocked again. It couldn't have been Webadict this time so obviously mafia did it so I couldn't watch my target which I don't even feel like claiming.
WTF another Yugioh cardQuote from: Final Countdown(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 29, 2022, 06:39:08 pm
Yeah, the mally thing is very upstaging... was going to enjoy the drama of being the accused detective who has to clear their name and find the killer, but at this point, nobody's wasting the elim on me :-\
Anyway, g'dnight for real.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 06:43:29 pm
Yep, I only see you, me, TricMagic, and Nakeen have been online recently enough to have done that, although I suppose it could have been an action sent in a discord chat rather than a PM to the moderator.I want to say this doesn't mean anything. :|
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 29, 2022, 06:45:20 pm
WTF another Yugioh cardQuote from: Final Countdown(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
Talk me out of immediately voting juicebox.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 06:52:54 pm
Juicebox isn't necessarily the culprit since FoU could have just happened to give someone else a day ability that just happens to be the name of a Yugioh card. I do think Juicebox is a top pick though. I need to see how confident I feel of Juicebox being mafia with Vector (and probably Jack) since we know Vector was mafia now.
It seems really unfair to me since there's 10 players alive and we only have two cycles to kill them, that's like a 20% chance if we guessed randomly. Although I believe some players are very clearly not mafia which raises our chances slightly.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 07:01:13 pm
Oooor FoU lets the mafia use day abilities at night, in which case not much to go on... Hmph. Seems a bit meta-gamey, but will have to investigate that.I tried using a day ability last night so that it would go off right when the day started, but FoU said they wouldn't pre-queue day actions unless they were really important and that I could submit my day action as soon as the day started instead.
The way they phrased it would mean you could pre-queue a day action if it was important, which this definitely would be I feel.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 07:06:44 pm
I really prefer Roden to Juicebox. C'mon... folks... whose with me^^^
Vector wanting Roden over Juicebox during the tie.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 07:08:55 pm
Vote Count
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-> juicebox --4-- ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418687#msg8418687), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437), TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418662#msg8418662),
-> Roden --4-- juicebox* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418685#msg8418685), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624), Vector* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652), Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418660#msg8418660),
NJW2000 --2-- EuchreJack* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523),
Maximum Spin --1-- Roden* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759),
TricMagic --1-- Knightwing64* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562),
Not Voting --3-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418676#msg8418676), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534), NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534),
Post by: juicebox on October 29, 2022, 07:22:43 pm
juicebox did not, in fact, give me the juice.
I gave
these nuts
to TricMagic.
Yeah so according to Fallacy, day actions happen immediately on use, and I can't just change the target several minutes after using the ability. So I was forced to target Tric.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 29, 2022, 07:27:32 pm
Who do you think is mafia? Who paid 2000 LP and activated Final Countdown?
Post by: juicebox on October 29, 2022, 08:14:47 pm
Based on gameplay, Nakeen is still suspicious, but I don't think Vector would have been gunning for them that hard as their partner.
Jack is also suspicious to me atm, their D3 play was quite weak, and I can see them bussing one of their scumbuddies. I can also see them being scumbuddies with NQT.
Yeah i think the scumteam right now is Jack/NQT.
Post by: TricMagic on October 29, 2022, 08:27:36 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 29, 2022, 09:21:31 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 12:49:21 am
I kinda want to say NQT, considering they used another ability with a countdown, I feel as though they could have another one.Yeah, but what about the fact it's a day ability that could be named after a card like Pot of Greed?
Based on gameplay, Nakeen is still suspicious, but I don't think Vector would have been gunning for them that hard as their partner.I noticed you wanted Nakeen over Vector on D3. I really don't think Nakeen is mafia.
Jack is also suspicious to me atm, their D3 play was quite weak, and I can see them bussing one of their scumbuddies. I can also see them being scumbuddies with NQT.I don't think so.
Yeah i think the scumteam right now is Jack/NQT.
NQT could be mafia, but they've been building a lot of towncred by "clearing" you and not killing NJW. NQT was also pushing for Jack on D2.
Post by: TolyK on October 30, 2022, 01:08:45 am
Swapped myself with TolyK and dodged Vector's conversion...You would in any case.
... Although I would say that, wouldn't I?
Can you remind me what exactly swapping would do?
I had quite the interesting night, and I'm not sure what exactly happened. Happy to claim in a bit.
The sky rumbles. Lightning crashes, and booms. It rains blood for just a moment, then the weather fades.Ok, I thought this was D4 end, but thankfully we have 2 tries and maybe something at night.
Bloodred ink splatters through the windows and crashes upon the floor. It washes over you all briefly, splattering, surging, binding.
It drips down and etches sigils, runes. Quickly it describes numbers. Time passing, and the inevitability - of your death.
You realize (unless perhaps you caused this?) that this is the Mafiakill itself. That spell shared amongst the true villains of every FBYOR, that lethal action.
You have just been mafiakilled.
Well, not yet.
It's more accurate to say that you will be mafiakilled. That is... unless you stop it.
An ability's full text has been publicly revealed!Quote from: Final Countdown(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
Mod Fallacy, does this mean no mafiakill abilities can be used? Or just that particular one?
If needed, I can (semi) prove that this wasn't me, as I have a day ability that can be public. (Semi, because I don't have multiple or free actions, but I wouldn't be able to prove that part...)
We don't have to kill all the remaining mafia by the end of Day 5, only the mafia player who started the Final Countdown.Exactly. Given the player count and mafia ally role from the start of the game (or was it? I guess so...), it's 1-2 players left.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 05:51:35 am
So. TolyK's ability as buffed my scales to a mirror sheen, meaning I can block another mafiakill. Not that that matters anymore. TolyK, want to collaborate your claim a bit more directly?
Post by: TolyK on October 30, 2022, 06:23:46 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 06:34:56 am
Still, the other half of that sentence. Can you confirm?
Post by: NJW2000 on October 30, 2022, 06:36:12 am
I just bus drove myself with you. So any single-target actions targetting you instead target me, and vice versa.Swapped myself with TolyK and dodged Vector's conversion...You would in any case.
... Although I would say that, wouldn't I?
Can you remind me what exactly swapping would do?
Hmph... yu-gi-oh and day actions. Doesn't look good for Juicebox.
NQT's investigate returned no kill action, looking back on it. So scum!Juice couldn't perform the mafiakill? Or at least, not unless NQT was a mally, and faked the misread once they'd found their partner. Otherwise, raises the question of who killed N1... not Vector, not Juicebox, not Webadict... huh.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 06:38:12 am
The latter is easily confirmed just by having him juice someone up NJW. Theoretically TolyK should have investigated last night. Which makes me thing you're either mafia or the mally now.
Post by: notquitethere on October 30, 2022, 06:40:18 am
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Post by: TolyK on October 30, 2022, 06:40:52 am
That last part is the most suspicious part.
PPE: In fact I did investigate one of the targets, but got no results.
Ninja 2: dammit the
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 06:44:31 am
Sorry about that TolyK, I aimed at NJW with my dragons breath. It roleblocks. And sets people on fire as usual.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 06:52:23 am
Post by: notquitethere on October 30, 2022, 07:11:36 am
EuchreJack: Not Found.
Jim Groovester: Claim: Gave nuts to TricMagic
juicebox: Claims to have submitted a Yugioh role. This matches day mafiakill ability. Previously inspected as Not A Killer. Possibilities: Godfather or town. Puts forward highly implausible NQT/Jack scum team.
Knightwing64: Not found.
Maximum Spin: Dead town. Most likely killed by Vector as per previous assessment.
Nakéen: Not found.
NJW2000: Thunderdomed and spared by previous personality installment. Claim: bussed self with TolyK.
Roden: Dead. Town ejected D1.
TolyK: Claim: Was limtied to three targets, and blocked.
ToonyMan: Claim: roleblocked.
TricMagic: Found. Claims blocking NJW, redirected onto TolyK, giving Flame status. This confirms TolyK and NJW's night action. Claims being buffed by TolyK.
Vector: Dead. Mafia, as predicted by earlier analysis.
webadict: Mafia Ally. Dead. Ejected D2 after critical self-hammer failure. Was open about protecting mafia team member Vector. Did the same for TricMagic and EuchreJack. Likelihood that some town protection was chosen as cover: HIGH.
Macro Scan Analysis
33.33% suspects not found.
Most suspicious: Juicebox. Reason: Day actor, Yugioh card submitter, bad scum-team analysis.
Recommendation: Wait for full claims.
++Macro Scan Speculation++
- Who blocked Toonyman?
- What was the action of ROBO-NQT-4000's previous personality module? [CLAIM PENDING. REASON: TRAP]
- Juicebox is very likely the day killer. This matches this unit's previous analysis (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422380;topicseen#msg8422380) that one scum is a godfather, to match the game theme of "many inspects, many false results". Alternative possibility: the earlier Yugioh claim was deliberate setup to soak up attention when the Final Countdown was initiated, so the real Yugioh player would remain unsuspected.
- What did Nakeen, Knightwing, and EuchreJack do?
- Does TricMagic confirm Jim's claim?
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 07:15:10 am
How did toony get roleblocked if TolyK had a limited list of people? Also, Knightwing? Would the real dragon stand up?
Post by: notquitethere on October 30, 2022, 07:38:30 am
NQT's investigate returned no kill action, looking back on it. So scum!Juice couldn't perform the mafiakill? Or at least, not unless NQT was a mally, and faked the misread once they'd found their partner. Otherwise, raises the question of who killed N1... not Vector, not Juicebox, not Webadict... huh.
Argument:
P1. [NQT is a Mally] OR [Juicebox is town]
P2. IF [Juice is town] then [no one could have been killed N1]
P3. [Someone was killed N1]
C. Therefore: NOT[Juicebox is town] AND [NQT is a Mally]
Analysis:
- P1 is false. Juicebox could be a godfather. NJW's imagined setup would entail two scum, two mafia allies and a third mafia ally on death conversion. NJW probably does not believe this is the setup.
- P2 is false. Vector most likely performed the kill on N1, as they claimed a town inspect on Webadict (later discovered to be redirected). Clearly, Vector the mafia player did not perform and inspect.
Recommendation: NJW should reassess previous game state analysis before making invalid speculation.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 08:01:45 am
In Example A, NJW is mafia and has been consistently avoiding investigation.
In Example B, NJW was town and did it anyway, so they got converted. Their post is consistent with a Mafiaally's reasoning.
In both examples, it's extremely negative.
In Example C, NJW is town. They're just very very bad at it. If they were worried about being converted, then they were hit with Conflagration earlier and didn't tell about it. They should have bussed with someone they thought was mafia. Which would mean my roleblock would have hit that person. Instead they target TolyK.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 08:11:44 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 30, 2022, 08:38:33 am
NQT: yeah, no shit there's stuff that could make my reasoning invalid, it's a BYOR, I'm not the one who's been constantly insisting on solving through night analysis. Also didn't know your gunsmith inspect doesn't work on godfathers, but w/e.
Also, Vector probably didn't do the kill N1. They probably tried to target Web to hit them with Congregation, so Web wouldn't kill mafia. Hence the stuff with the mod error giving Web what looked like the Congregation status. Obviously.
Your formal logic is obviously very impressive and all, but just slow down on the posting and think for a bit first. Please. I've asked this before.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 08:49:14 am
Post by: Nakéen on October 30, 2022, 08:49:19 am
My claims
True to what I said on D3, I targeted EuchreJack with my delay. This time I wasn't roleblocked, so I assume it worked. I will know next Night if Jack used a kill action, but that will be too late considering the bomb that dropped.
There is nothing to suggest anyone acted on me, so I assume no one targeted me. Unless Jack targeted me, which if I managed to delay means I won't be afdected until next night.
I will need a bit more time before processing what was said. I will follow up with another post as soon as possible.
Post by: Nakéen on October 30, 2022, 08:50:48 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 08:53:56 am
You just threw your bus on the one person with an investigative action that is publicly known. That is not town behavior. Had they targeted you, you would have just robbed town of an investigation. (Which you did since I roleblocked them.) Had they targeted TolyK, you would have been converted instead, causing the same thing you claim to have been avoiding. Which makes you the mafia-ally.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 08:58:41 am
Post by: Nakéen on October 30, 2022, 08:58:47 am
TolyK was limited to three targets, which is ToonyMan's ability. So it is very likely ToonyMan targeted TolyK last night, all that remains is for Toony to confirm.
Next I'm surprised Toony was roleblocked. Unless someone was hiding a roleblock, I wzs under the impression only Jim and NJW had roleblocking abilities.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 30, 2022, 09:15:25 am
Put more simply NJW. Your actions are not town-aligned. You're more worried about being town than helping town. Which is a sign of mafiahood if there ever was one. A question to you, who would hit jack?Yeah, I wanted to stay town and win, as scum have been repeatedly eliminated - in no small part thanks to me. If you genuinely believe I was scum at the start of the night, after Web's flip and Vector's flip, I don't really know what to say.
You just threw your bus on the one person with an investigative action that is publicly known. That is not town behavior. Had they targeted you, you would have just robbed town of an investigation. (Which you did since I roleblocked them.) Had they targeted TolyK, you would have been converted instead, causing the same thing you claim to have been avoiding. Which makes you the mafia-ally.
You chose to target the person with a self-bus, when they were very clearly going to use the bus unpredictably. Targeting someone there was a clear rationale for me to target would have increased my chance of conversion. If you ended up blocking someone with an inspect, that's on you for not thinking through your night actions.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 30, 2022, 09:18:25 am
It does not help that that status would have been really nice to know about yesterday. Or the day before. Which day did you get it?D3, when I talked about Vector giving me a status that stops any kill actions I have killing mafia. The status that was then revealed on Vector's flip.
This is in the thread... you could have known about it. You really could.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 10:20:53 am
NQT, can we get a chart of all night actions from the nights?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 10:42:38 am
Hua... I just don't trust you at all NJW.Tric.
Tric.
NJW isn't mafia. Everything they're saying makes sense.
1. They bussed themselves with TolyK so it wouldn't be possible for Vector to convert him, if mafia even tried.
2. I made TolyK have to target me, Tric, or Vector so the fact they were roleblocked (and presumably set on fire (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423580#msg8423580)) means that you are the one that can confirm that NJW actually did bus themselves with TolyK, since you were the one that roleblocked TolyK and set them on fire.
3. Everything I said here about NJW on Day 3. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421943#msg8421943)
I don't even think they were converted, not that it matters.
So far I noticed people missed one obvious claim.Yes, I targeted TolyK and basically forced them to target me or Tric. I didn't want them handing out any more offers to new players just in case, and they'd also maybe able to use the inspect they got from Tric on one of us too.
TolyK was limited to three targets, which is ToonyMan's ability. So it is very likely ToonyMan targeted TolyK last night, all that remains is for Toony to confirm.
Next I'm surprised Toony was roleblocked. Unless someone was hiding a roleblock, I wzs under the impression only Jim and NJW had roleblocking abilities.
I have no idea why I was roleblocked. There was no status effect or anything so it wasn't Tric.
My claimsMaybe this is why no one died last night?
True to what I said on D3, I targeted EuchreJack with my delay. This time I wasn't roleblocked, so I assume it worked. I will know next Night if Jack used a kill action, but that will be too late considering the bomb that dropped.
Also, Vector probably didn't do the kill N1. They probably tried to target Web to hit them with Congregation, so Web wouldn't kill mafia. Hence the stuff with the mod error giving Web what looked like the Congregation status. Obviously.I agree. Vector tried to Congregate Web on N1 and me on N2.
Someone like Jack or Juice killed Max on N1. Although Juice would have to be a godfather if they actually killed Max. Would Final Countdown show up as a killing ability? Probably...
Post by: NJW2000 on October 30, 2022, 10:46:10 am
NQT: Would your inspect discover final countdown as a killing action?
Post by: Nakéen on October 30, 2022, 12:39:17 pm
Maybe, but we would only know next day which is a bit late.My claimsMaybe this is why no one died last night?
True to what I said on D3, I targeted EuchreJack with my delay. This time I wasn't roleblocked, so I assume it worked. I will know next Night if Jack used a kill action, but that will be too late considering the bomb that dropped.
Quote
(Reference) (Status) Congregation: You are claimed by an unearthly power. If you would be killed, the kill action fails without informing its user. If this occurs, you lose this Status. However, if you use a kill action on a Mafia-aligned player, it will fail without informing you. (Conditional kill actions don’t count if they don’t trigger their lethality.)
This status can be used to prevent a player from killing Mafia, or protect a Mafia player from any kill once.
N1 Vector must have given it to web to prevent a mafia being killed by web on N1 and setup a flip.
N2 Vector could have given the status to NJW to setup a flip, or to protect a potential mafia!NJW from one kill.
If NJW was a mafia all along then that would be very clever.
Also unlike NJW got more than 4 abilities, I am certain NJW can't be the countdown player as we know all their abilities:
- a bus
- a redirection on self
- some auto double vote
- a day one shot additional vote (cool shades)
Apart from webadict's case, it seems the standard set is made of 4 abilities.
So even on the pretty unlikely off chance NJW would be a mafia or mafia-ally, voting them makes no sense with the Final Countdown ticking down.
Also what's the point of trying to find out who made the N1 kill at this point of the game? That seems totally pointless.
Post by: Nakéen on October 30, 2022, 12:40:43 pm
Quote
Also unlike NJW got more than 4 abilities, I am certain NJW can't be the countdown player as we know all their abilities:I messed up that sentence.
UNLESS instead of unlike.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 30, 2022, 12:50:48 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 12:55:57 pm
This status can be used to prevent a player from killing Mafia, or protect a Mafia player from any kill once.N1
N1 Vector must have given it to web to prevent a mafia being killed by web on N1 and setup a flip.
N2 Vector could have given the status to NJW to setup a flip, or to protect a potential mafia!NJW from one kill.
Vector wanted to Congregate Webadict to stop them from maybe killing a mafia and also to maybe convert them to mally later. Mafia definitely didn't realize at this point that Webadict was already a mally. In any case, this got redirected to Max thanks to Knightwing.
N2
Vector wanted to Congregate me probably so that they could convert me to mally at a later date, this got redirected to NJW thanks to NJW. Vector had no intentions of Congregating NJW on N2 so I really don't think we should suspect NJW here.
Side note:
This also means I'm unlikely to be mafia since why would Vector try to Congregate me on N2? It's a waste if we're both mafia. I already have obviously hinted protection from both Jim and TolyK which I would have told Vector if we're partners.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 01:08:27 pm
Definitely Not
ToonyMan - I'm unlikely to be mafia with Vector, I already started this game with two day abilities (I gave one to TolyK on D2).
NJW2000 - NJW is unlikely to be mafia with Vector, they are also likely to be town (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421943#msg8421943).
Jim Groovester - Inspected town by Tric on N1, really don't think they make a post like this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421417#msg8421417) as mafia.
Nakéen - Do I think Nakeen is mafia with Vector...no, no I do not.
Most Likely Not
TricMagic - Really don't think Tric is mafia here, if you take the opposite of what he's saying then he's right about everything.
Knightwing64 - Claimed SK-miller at the start, I really don't see them working with mafia here.
TolyK - I feel like they're being harassed by mafia a lot in this game, their night actions don't make sense to me if they're mafia.
Probably Not
NQT - Didn't kill NJW on D2 when they could have, is claiming Juicebox isn't a killing role based on N1 results.
EuchreJack - Pretty sure they're mafia, but the Final Countdown doesn't really fit to me.
It's The Guy
Juicebox - Vector didn't want them voted off on D1 when it was between Juice and Roden. The countdown ability matches with their role very well. I really don't think they're lying about their role, but this puts a bullseye on their forehead now.
Post by: notquitethere on October 30, 2022, 01:26:55 pm
CLAIM [ROBO-NQT-4000]: this unit targeted Nakéen with a Cat Themed Untrackable Follow
OUTCOME: Nakéen targeted EuchreJack.
Rationale: This unit observed Vector interacting with Nakéen in a continuous pattern that indicated that either a scum player was defaulting to target an acceptable target OR it was a pattern of distancing. Nakéen was a high suspect of this unit in previous games. To attempt to rule out the latter possibility, Nakéen was followed.
CLAIM [ROBO-NQT-4000]: This unit assesses that the owner of the Final Countdown would appear as Beta AND all mafia players who are not godfathers would appear as beta EVEN IF they have no kill abilities. This has now been confirmed with the SysAdmin[FallacyofUrist].
SPECULATION [NJW2000, Toonyman]: Vector targeted Webadict with Congregate. The Congregate status matches something like the revive Webadict initially claimed then announced was a mod error. This was quite possibly open communication between him and the mafia team he served, as private channels were not available. Reassessment: this unit now accepts that Vector quite possibly did not perform the N1 kill, and instead intentionally targeted Webadict. This only leaves double-actors, isolated pairs of players claiming to have verified one another's claims, and Juicebox as the killer.
Recommendation: Simple and straightforward possibilities should be eliminated before complex solutions are sought. Juicebox may be the simplest solution, the Alpha non-mafia result notwithstanding.
Post by: TricMagic on October 30, 2022, 02:27:58 pm
Post by: juicebox on October 30, 2022, 09:03:18 pm
I Play Pot of Greed.
This ability allows me to do one of two things depending on who I target. If I target myself, I can use two extra actions other than this one. If I target another player, then two random shotted abilities of theirs each gain a shot.
Actually targeting Jim this time.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 11:33:11 pm
This would maximize the amount of chances we have to hit the Final Countdown player.
Theoretically, Juicebox can clear themselves if they refill the shot on me or Jim. If it weren't for the pot of greed giving them two actions. We already know they are a multi-actor.Is this because a player is only allowed to perform one day action per day normally? This makes sense I guess. If Juicebox did the Final Countdown mafiakill today then I don't see how they'd also be able to give Jim a refill the same day, since even if they Pot of Greed themselves that's only for that day and we would know since Jim wouldn't get their refill...besides Juicebox having to announce every time they use Pot of Greed.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 11:46:17 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 30, 2022, 11:52:29 pm
EUCHREJACK IS MY WHITE WHALE
I WILL NOT REST TIL I HAVE SLAIN HIM WITH
DEEZ NUTZ
Even if juicebox does recharge my kill I think it's
questionable
to lynch anybody else except the most likely culprit for the Ultimate Imminent Timer Expiration.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 30, 2022, 11:54:37 pm
The energy level has been
Low
Since Vector died.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 31, 2022, 12:05:22 am
I have not been given the juice.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 31, 2022, 02:31:05 am
So, I could read through the game to draw conclusions, but I don't want to and I don't think my decisions change if I do.
My solution for the game looks like this:
Vote juicebox today.
If juicebox isn't responsible for the Ultimate Imminent Timer Expiration then I do some hard reevaluation, even if he flips scum.
If juicebox is scum and responsible for the Ultimate Imminent Timer Expiration, I vote EuchreJack next.
If it's not EuchreJack after that, then I go for notquitethere. If all that happens and the game somehow isn't over yet, I do some hard thinking since all the assumptions I currently have about the game would be incorrect.
Quote(Reference) (Status) Congregation: You are claimed by an unearthly power. If you would be killed, the kill action fails without informing its user. If this occurs, you lose this Status. However, if you use a kill action on a Mafia-aligned player, it will fail without informing you. (Conditional kill actions don’t count if they don’t trigger their lethality.)
Does this explain how EuchreJack didn't die to my kill?
The only thing I'd have to think through is when would Vector have had the opportunity to give EuchreJack the Congregation status. webadict is tangled with Vector's N1 results even if there was ultimately an error. I guess Vector could have actually targeted EuchreJack somehow but I don't see how webadict erroneously gets the status in that case.
EuchreJack must have something else probably.
Post by: Nakéen on October 31, 2022, 06:39:14 am
One annoying thing is I might have an ability in my advanced catalogue to deal with this. But I only get those if I'm the only dragon left. Which probably rules out knightwing given he's the other dragon. My blessing can't actually protect people from this kill given it's a superkill.@TricMagic: How do you know KnightWing is the other dragon? I don't remember them claiming dragonhood.
Quote(Reference) (Status) Congregation: You are claimed by an unearthly power. If you would be killed, the kill action fails without informing its user. If this occurs, you lose this Status. However, if you use a kill action on a Mafia-aligned player, it will fail without informing you. (Conditional kill actions don’t count if they don’t trigger their lethality.)
Does this explain how EuchreJack didn't die to my kill?
The only thing I'd have to think through is when would Vector have had the opportunity to give EuchreJack the Congregation status. webadict is tangled with Vector's N1 results even if there was ultimately an error. I guess Vector could have actually targeted EuchreJack somehow but I don't see how webadict erroneously gets the status in that case.
EuchreJack must have something else probably.
It could explain EuchreJack surviving, but it's unlikely Vector got a moment to pass the status to EuchreJack. You said so yourself, the meta GM error heavily points toward Vector attempting to pass the status to webadict only to be redirected on Maximum Spin.
I PMed FallacyofUrist to confirm that I have not been given the juice.
I have not been given the juice.
juicebox not giving the juice seems like a dead giveaway? Why claim to do something easy to verify and then not do it?
If juicebox isn't responsible for the Ultimate Imminent Timer Expiration then I do some hard reevaluation, even if he flips scum.
If juicebox is scum and responsible for the Ultimate Imminent Timer Expiration, I vote EuchreJack next.
If it's not EuchreJack after that, then I go for notquitethere. If all that happens and the game somehow isn't over yet, I do some hard thinking since all the assumptions I currently have about the game would be incorrect.
juicebox then Euchrejack sounds good to me, as I can confirm next night if Jack attempted to use a kill if my delay went through.
I'm holding off on dropping a vote until we get some words from KnightWing64.
Time is running short though.
Still unexplained night actions:
We still don't know who roleblocked ToonyMan.
Post by: Nakéen on October 31, 2022, 06:40:02 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 31, 2022, 06:50:31 am
Apologies. My power went out, so I haven’t gone online period for the past couple days.
Nice going Tric. You got me.
I’m a dragon.
Dragon deez nuts all over you
Nah. I’m just kidding, I’m a town dragon. I assume you’re the other one? Good show chap! Jollly good show!
I’m thinking Toony and someone else is mafia. I know Toony couldn’t have used Countdown, because I blocked/protected him.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m 80 percent sure Toony is either Mafia or turned mafia ally.
I might have to re-read the game with this newfound enlightenment.
I don’t think we should vote him out because he didn’t start the countdown though.
I would scroll through the game and point out times he has been acting suspicious, but I’m on a tight schedule at this exact moment.
I was hoping that the other dragons would die out, if I’m being honest.
When I’m the only dragon left, I would be pretty much immune to night kills. Not exactly but basically is what it would be. It wasn’t really a nessitate but rather it was a nice bonus so I haven’t been push in g for people I thought were dragons.
Sorry for any misspellings, I gotta dash. Brb
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 07:19:04 am
@Knightwing:
How am I mafia??
Also, unless your roleblock prevents day actions (I haven't used my redirect yet but I plan to today) then why couldn't I have started the countdown?
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 31, 2022, 07:46:25 am
Also I just said I was rushing and couldn’t give a list of reasons.
Can somebody help me out with that?
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 08:14:48 am
DUN DUN DUN
Apologies. My power went out, so I haven’t gone online period for the past couple days.
Nice going Tric. You got me.
I’m a dragon.
Dragon deez nuts all over you
Nah. I’m just kidding, I’m a town dragon. I assume you’re the other one? Good show chap! Jollly good show!
I’m thinking Toony and someone else is mafia. I know Toony couldn’t have used Countdown, because I blocked/protected him.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m 80 percent sure Toony is either Mafia or turned mafia ally.
I might have to re-read the game with this newfound enlightenment.
I don’t think we should vote him out because he didn’t start the countdown though.
I would scroll through the game and point out times he has been acting suspicious, but I’m on a tight schedule at this exact moment.
I was hoping that the other dragons would die out, if I’m being honest.
When I’m the only dragon left, I would be pretty much immune to night kills. Not exactly but basically is what it would be. It wasn’t really a nessitate but rather it was a nice bonus so I haven’t been push in g for people I thought were dragons.
Sorry for any misspellings, I gotta dash. Brb
Knightwing, you've long known I'm a dragon. And I sincerely doubt immunity to nightkills is your special power here. If you were to die today I have a number of options I could choose from. At this point you're an SK rather than SK-miller, though the lack of kills is odd if there is an SK.
(Jim might also be a dragon, eh.)
I'd be okay with a Jack lynch, followed by a Juice nightkill. Or other way round I suppose. Or even Nakeen given their post today. (Knightwing dying is also fine-ish, I guess. But not going to hit mafia by any metric.)
Post by: TolyK on October 31, 2022, 08:29:07 am
Toony, what was your idea with me having to target Tric or you?
Post by: TolyK on October 31, 2022, 08:29:48 am
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 08:36:23 am
More seriously, Knightwing can't actually kill me right now. So I'm fine. It's a question of who shall go first, Jack, Nakeen, or Juice?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 08:37:48 am
Oops. I was rushing and assumed it was a night action.List of reasons...that I'm mafia?
Also I just said I was rushing and couldn’t give a list of reasons.
Can somebody help me out with that?
I think that's one thing I can't help you with Knightwing.
Look, I plan on day actioning a player today so they should be able to confirm this tomorrow so it at least makes it more doubtful I performed a second day action.
Heck I'll even full-claim my entire role for you.
I am Angry USPS Worker Goes Postal.
I started the game with two night actions and two day actions.
One of my night actions watches my target, but also steals an item they have. I've tried to use this one every night, but got blocked by Web on N1 and KW on N3.
My other night action will remain a secret until I use it.
My first day action forces a player to target one of three players the following night or they'll be roleblocked. I used this on Jim D1, Nakeen D2, and TolyK D3.
My second day action I haven't used and gave to TolyK on D2. They can claim what it does if they want.
That's it, that is all of me Knightwing.
PPE:
I can probably extend the day with a day action. Basically, I can become a big dragon, but it's a pretty shitty dragon TBH.You already gave both of us offers. In the off chance the game doesn't end with the mafia dying I wanted to limit your reach.
Toony, what was your idea with me having to target Tric or you?
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 09:11:30 am
Post by: NJW2000 on October 31, 2022, 09:53:05 am
Flavour + Day actions is convincing-ish, but I'm pretty worried about where we go next if that doesn't work. We still have very little material from some people.
On the plus side, Juicebox has been pushing Nakeen over Vector, mostly townreading people and pushing people weakly on inactivity or minor points, also interacting with Vector kind of oddly. So reasonably confident this is going to find scum. More and more confident that the game started with three mafia and a mally though.
I can see a mod giving a day-actions-only mafia member godfather status, to balance out the fact that they'd be highly likely to come under scrutiny for the nightkill. Checks and balances.
KnightWing: If it helps, I agree that Toony has appeared dubious at moments, although not as flamboyantly as other players. But if you want to convince people of something, you have to explain why you think it, at least a bit more. Nobody's doing a full-reread a ninety page thread to pick out a case for you just because you posted some vague suspicions.
Post by: Knightwing64 on October 31, 2022, 10:28:13 am
Why would I block Toony instead of killing him if I was a SK?
Why would I redirect people away from Web when I suspected that people were going to attack him?
My actions would make no sense if I was a SK.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 31, 2022, 11:06:06 am
Hey I wonder where EuchreJack's bee-
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Why he's even made posts elsewhere on the forum. Confounding.
EuchreJack is worth lynching for shamelessly lurking but I think juicebox is the wiser choice today.
I’m a dragon.
Dragon deez nuts all over you
HA
GOTTEM
Oops. I was rushing and assumed it was a night action.
Also I just said I was rushing and couldn’t give a list of reasons.
Can somebody help me out with that?
You're going to have to do this work on your own. I think ToonyMan is town.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2022, 11:37:03 am
@Jim: My role came with an Extra Life. It had nothing to do with Vector.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 31, 2022, 11:50:36 am
TricMagic: why might Jim be a dragon?
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 12:00:27 pm
Juicebox Juicebox to establish that that's what we're probably doing today. I don't have much to add.Dragon deez nuts.
TricMagic: why might Jim be a dragon?
More seriously, I've got a kill. Knightwing might/should have a kill. Jim has a kill(and dragon deez nuts). Just wondering if they're a dragon godfather to make a trinity. (Unlikely, but I could kill them tonight.) As is, going to None tonight on account of NJW shenanigans. Do not want to protect a kill on mafia by accident. (again.)
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 31, 2022, 12:01:10 pm
DRAGGING THESE NUTS
Being a dragon (deez nutz) I get more powerful if I'm the only dragon (deez nutz) left alive; when I hand out my dragon (deez) nuts if I'm the only dragon (deez nutz) remaining I also get to take one for myself. I've been avoiding claiming that I'm a dragon (deez nutz) out of worry that there's a dragon (deez nutz) related third party whose win condition is related to being the sole remaining dragon (deez nutz) compared to me and TricMagic apparently where we only get powerups to our role if that happens. If such a third party exists I'd probably expect it to be TolyK first and then Knightwing64 after that.
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 12:03:19 pm
(Dragon deez ninjanuts.)
Post by: notquitethere on October 31, 2022, 12:03:53 pm
Updated Reports Since Previous Scan...
JimGroovester: Claims Dragon role (alongside TricMagic, TolyK, KnightWing)
EuchreJack: Votes Toony (reason: NOT FOUND)
juicebox: Claims to have submitted a Yugioh role. This matches day mafiakill ability. Previously inspected as Not A Killer. Possibilities: Godfather or town. Puts forward highly implausible NQT/Jack scum team.
Knightwing64: Obsessed with Dragon aspects of own role. Possible 3rd party. Claims to have jailkept Toony (block confirmed by Toony).
Nakéen: Delayed EuchreJack. Target confirmed by this unit. Possibly this is the reason for lack of night kill.
NJW2000: Sufficiently defended night action targets.
TolyK: Claim: Can extend day with day action.
ToonyMan: Argues that Juicebox be spared due to having a day action. Juicebox has already claimed to be a double-actor during the day (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420051;topicseen#msg8420051), perhaps Toony has forgotten this. Gives another role claim, but given previous false claims it should not be taken as having 100% fidelity.
TricMagic: Took umbrage at NJW2000 action rationale.
Analysis
- Team is most likely EuchreJack/Juice as others have suspected. Juicebox is prime candidate today.
Post by: NJW2000 on October 31, 2022, 12:21:39 pm
More seriously, I've got a kill. Knightwing might/should have a kill. Jim has a kill(and dragon deez nuts). Just wondering if they're a dragon godfather to make a trinity. (Unlikely, but I could kill them tonight.) As is, going to None tonight on account of NJW shenanigans. Do not want to protect a kill on mafia by accident. (again.)Hey, I'm willing to none! I'm basically out of useful things to do, at this point.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 12:42:57 pm
Juicebox used Pot of Greed on themselves D1 though, they can't double action normally. The problem now is that they claim to have targeted Tric on D3, which even if it was an honest mistake means we can't prove anything since Tric doesn't have any shots to fill left, right Tric? But also, Juicebox claims to have targeted Jim today, which Jim has been unable to confirm. So either something is afoot or one of Jim/Juice is boldfaced lying.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 12:46:27 pm
ToonyManI don't understand your vote on Vector during D2 or D3. They didn't seem to have any reasoning behind them. What's going on?
@Jim: My role came with an Extra Life. It had nothing to do with Vector.
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 01:43:34 pm
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 01:45:14 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 02:03:32 pm
Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.Well that makes me like Juicebox slightly more. We should at least wait to see what's going on and if Jim is being impatient.
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.
Please don't waste an inspect on NJW.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 02:05:26 pm
Toony, please don't restrict TolyK from investigation this round? If another offer comes up we know they're probably devil. (And said person shouldn't take it.)I ain't restricting anybody today.
Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhhh
Also hey, forcing TolyK to inspect me or you sounds good to me? You're the one that roleblocked them anyway.
Post by: Nakéen on October 31, 2022, 02:09:32 pm
I am a dragon.The plot thickens! Tric managed to sniff the other dragons out.
DRAGGING THESE NUTS
Being a dragon (deez nutz) I get more powerful if I'm the only dragon (deez nutz) left alive; when I hand out my dragon (deez) nuts if I'm the only dragon (deez nutz) remaining I also get to take one for myself. I've been avoiding claiming that I'm a dragon (deez nutz) out of worry that there's a dragon (deez nutz) related third party whose win condition is related to being the sole remaining dragon (deez nutz) compared to me and TricMagic apparently where we only get powerups to our role if that happens. If such a third party exists I'd probably expect it to be TolyK first and then Knightwing64 after that.
Though if each dragon does have a kill action, then that makes at least half the players with a claimed or confirmed kill action. Not great for NQT's 2 shot inspect.
Delaying Jack again sounds like a decent option for tonight. Unless someone has a better idea because I don't.
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 02:15:32 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 31, 2022, 02:22:27 pm
Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.Well that makes me like Juicebox slightly more. We should at least wait to see what's going on and if Jim is being impatient.
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.
Please don't waste an inspect on NJW.
Still no juice.
Post by: Jim Groovester on October 31, 2022, 02:24:32 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 02:55:34 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on October 31, 2022, 03:07:26 pm
Juicebox: - would you mind commenting on the above?
Refilling Jim's kill could never be a proof of innocence, as mafia have gambled basically everything on this kill. So we'd probably Juicebox anyway, especially as we have reason to believe investigative powers won't work. Might be a reason to kill them tomorrow rather than today though if it doesn't?
Also:
Claim: the item Toony stole from me was my Cool Shades which allow him to give himself an extra vote at any point in the day.
I no longer see any reason to hide this information, and suspect it would be actively detrimental not to reveal it.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 03:15:13 pm
I only got it after the day had ended.Well then, Jim isn't going to know whether Juice fills him up until the day is over yeah?
Do I think Juice is a bad lynch today? No, I do not still. There are multiple factors that make Juice a desirable vote.
1. Their connection with Vector.
2. Their connection with the Final Countdown ability.
The only hard counters I see are NQT's non-killing result from N1.
Claim: the item Toony stole from me was my Cool Shades which allow him to give himself an extra vote at any point in the day.Yep. I already sent in the action to use it today. I believe using items counts as an action (confirm?) so this should publicly show my day action now as opposed to having someone else have to confirm my restrictive redirect tomorrow.
I no longer see any reason to hide this information, and suspect it would be actively detrimental not to reveal it.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 03:16:50 pm
Post by: TolyK on October 31, 2022, 04:56:15 pm
Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.I had tried to use it this night, got roleblocked. Not sure if the 1-shot was used up - sent in a question.
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.
Also hey, forcing TolyK to inspect me or you sounds good to me? You're the one that roleblocked them anyway.Inspecting Tric is kinda useless at this point, given his returned ability. :(
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 05:07:47 pm
No it doesn't. My watch has limited uses, not that you could even tell since I've unsuccessfully used it more times than not.Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.I had tried to use it this night, got roleblocked. Not sure if the 1-shot was used up - sent in a question.
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 05:47:04 pm
Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.I had tried to use it this night, got roleblocked. Not sure if the 1-shot was used up - sent in a question.
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.Also hey, forcing TolyK to inspect me or you sounds good to me? You're the one that roleblocked them anyway.Inspecting Tric is kinda useless at this point, given his returned ability. :(
Which returned ability?
Post by: TolyK on October 31, 2022, 06:17:40 pm
In that case I might not switch today, as the other abilities are less useful.No it doesn't. My watch has limited uses, not that you could even tell since I've unsuccessfully used it more times than not.Per previous note, it filled my oneshots. So Dragon Scales is now a 2 shot.I had tried to use it this night, got roleblocked. Not sure if the 1-shot was used up - sent in a question.
Also TolyK, make sure to check toony or someone else. Maybe NJW since they normally can't be investigated with the self-bussing, since they're abstaining.
Which returned ability?The ability that you got in return for the one you gave me.
Post by: TolyK on October 31, 2022, 06:27:20 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 06:32:06 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 06:32:42 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 31, 2022, 06:55:29 pm
ToonyMan uses Cool Shades.
ToonyMan now possesses an additional (currently unused) vote.
Votecount incoming.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 31, 2022, 07:09:43 pm
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (4): Jim Groovester, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (1): EuchreJack
TricMagic (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (8): juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, Nakéen, TolyK, ToonyMan, ToonyMan, TricMagic
7 to hammer.
Well the deadline for the Day is actually up, but given that nobody (including me) even realized it had happened, I'm going to extend the Day by 3 hours so you all can get your final discussion and/or voting in.
Day 4 ends at 10 PM Central time, or 3 hours from now - or on a hammer.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 07:11:44 pm
NQT
Post by: NJW2000 on October 31, 2022, 07:17:03 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 07:18:29 pm
If Juicebox is town then wtf do we do. Something like Jim/Tric is crazy unlikely but technically possible? NQT could be scum with a lot of players that aren't named Jack. I don't know, there's a very good chance I'll be alive tomorrow so we can all die together if we're wrong about the Final Countdown player.
PPE:
Erm... why?Consider it my opinion if Juicebox is town.
Post by: Nakéen on October 31, 2022, 07:23:05 pm
As if to show off, ToonyMan pulls on a pair of oddly familiar sunglasses.
ToonyMan uses Cool Shades.
ToonyMan now possesses an additional (currently unused) vote.
Votecount incoming.
The shades go so well with ToonyMan's profile picture haha.
juicebox. I thought I had already voted.
Post by: ToonyMan on October 31, 2022, 07:24:05 pm
Spoiler: Don't let this happen (click to show/hide)
Post by: NJW2000 on October 31, 2022, 07:40:48 pm
Post by: TricMagic on October 31, 2022, 07:52:11 pm
Juicebox to move things along. Jim can kill Jack tonight. Or me if they want to just suicide. :PQuote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (4): Jim Groovester, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (1): EuchreJack
TricMagic (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (8): juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, Nakéen, TolyK, ToonyMan, ToonyMan, TricMagic
7 to hammer.
Well the deadline for the Day is actually up, but given that nobody (including me) even realized it had happened, I'm going to extend the Day by 3 hours so you all can get your final discussion and/or voting in.
Day 4 ends at 10 PM Central time, or 3 hours from now - or on a hammer.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 01, 2022, 07:35:59 am
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
juicebox (7): Jim Groovester, NJW2000, NJW2000, notquitethere, ToonyMan, Nakéen, TricMagic
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (1): ToonyMan
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (1): EuchreJack
TricMagic (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (4): juicebox, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, TolyK
7 to hammer.
The scribe marks your signatures and consigns juicebox to death.
Perhaps though... the obvious party was too obvious. As the bolt of death eliminates his avatar, you discover to your fear and horror...
juicebox's alignment was Town.
His well of power will provide for you no more.
juicebox's role was Pot Of Greed.
Quote
Pot Of Greed (town):
(Day) I Play Pot Of Greed [target/self]: When you use this action, you must post its full name in bold text in the public thread, and then explain what this action does. In order for this action to take effect, you must link that special post to the moderator in your action PM. If you do not target yourself, they have two randomly selected shotted abilities each gain an additional shot at the end of the Day. If you target yourself, instead you may use two additional actions other than I Play Pot Of Greed this Day.
(Day) Now I Shall Explain What It Does [target]: At the end of the Day, a random ability in your target’s role is selected. Before submitting their Night actions, they must choose to either let you learn the full text of the ability, or Disable it for the duration of the Night. A given ability cannot be selected again after you have learned it. (They are informed of this requirement, though not of your identity.)
(Day) Competitive Play Ban [target]: If your target attempts to use two or more actions during the next Night, they are roleblocked - Pot of Greed is banned in competitive play!
(1-Shot, Day) Exactly What I Needed: You draw the Swords of Revealing Light, and grant yourself publicly visible kill immunity for the remainder of the Day and the full duration of the next Night.
Night 4 has begun. Night 4 will end Wednesday, 5 PM Central time, November 2nd, or when I receive all Night actions and have time to process them.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 06, 2022, 02:00:08 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 07, 2022, 08:34:41 am
Please resume murdering each other in an orderly fashion.
Nobody seems to have died, but whether that surprises you or not is up in the air.
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (0):
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (10): EuchreJack, Jim Groovester, Knightwing64, Knightwing64, Nakéen, NJW2000, notquitethere, TolyK, ToonyMan, TricMagic
6 to hammer.
Day 5 has begun. Day 5 will end in over 48 hours - November 9th, Wednesday, 6 PM, Central time. Or whenever hammer occurs.
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 08:45:44 am
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 09:06:25 am
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 09:14:48 am
Some people really need to read the thread and think before they act.
Like, if we catch the Countdowner today it won't be catastrophic, but otherwise it was potentially game-losing.
Interested in Toony, Nakeen and EuchreJack today.
Nakeen's early days were dodgy as hell, even if Vector kept saying so, and I think that could have been a bus/distancing still. Also their nights were very unconfirmed.
EJ didn't seem scummy to me early on, but has since apparently lost interest in affecting the game... need to consider whether this would be countdown!EJ or not.
And as for Toony...
The Yu-Gi-Oh reasoning was them. They also play Yu-Gi-Oh... Hmph.
The final countdown seems like a REASONABLY well-known card, but not super well-known.
There're other countdowns... well known songs, for example... But the effect did look like the Yu-Gi-Oh card.
Their N1 watch wasn't actively confirmed, but even for them fakeclaiming a watch would be ballsy as hell.
And there are subtler things this game... moments that are just slightly off, stuff I need to think more about.
So, Knightwing and Nakeen are the only ones who could have stopped the kill. Which is it?
And which kill would this be?
Post by: notquitethere on November 07, 2022, 09:27:30 am
aye in layman's language, the Toon is a third-party!
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 09:30:32 am
Investigating Toony is quite possibly something I'd have done, but I'd still like to hear the rationale.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 09:48:37 am
I have partial confirmation of another player's actions and I'm pretty sure...Jim's should have been recharged?
Some people really need to read the thread and think before they act.
Like, if we catch the Countdowner today it won't be catastrophic, but otherwise it was potentially game-losing.
Interested in Toony, Nakeen and EuchreJack today.
Nakeen's early days were dodgy as hell, even if Vector kept saying so, and I think that could have been a bus/distancing still. Also their nights were very unconfirmed.
EJ didn't seem scummy to me early on, but has since apparently lost interest in affecting the game... need to consider whether this would be countdown!EJ or not.
And as for Toony...
The Yu-Gi-Oh reasoning was them. They also play Yu-Gi-Oh... Hmph.
The final countdown seems like a REASONABLY well-known card, but not super well-known.
There're other countdowns... well known songs, for example... But the effect did look like the Yu-Gi-Oh card.
Their N1 watch wasn't actively confirmed, but even for them fakeclaiming a watch would be ballsy as hell.
And there are subtler things this game... moments that are just slightly off, stuff I need to think more about.So, Knightwing and Nakeen are the only ones who could have stopped the kill. Which is it?
And which kill would this be?
Ninjapirate. Can you cut a fool's neck?
... NJW swapped with Toony, so.. (The night before last)
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 10:01:52 am
I shot EuchreJack again.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 10:06:40 am
Unless it's something Toony did, but...
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 10:36:02 am
Claim: I was roleblocked, set on fire, and killed.
I assumed by Tric, for fairly obvious reasons.
... NJW swapped with Toony, so.. (The night before last)This is not the case.
You know why it is wrong. We discussed me swapping with TolyK. At length. ::)
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 10:40:25 am
Welp.. I roleblocked Nakeen last night, so Knightwing's the only one who could have blocked the kill?
Activating the Final Countdown makes it so that the mafia kill can't be used anymore. There's no mafia kill to search for from N4.
Claim: I was roleblocked, set on fire, and killed.
Why won't anybody DIE
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 10:56:13 am
Oh I know, cause you also got doctored. So, Jim, NJW, Myself.. And Nakeen I suppose. And NQT. 5 out of 9 people. Toony's third party, so 6. That leaves Jack, Knightwing. And TolyK as the actors. Is TolyK town?
Post by: notquitethere on November 07, 2022, 11:03:00 am
Remind me: could that be mally, or is it definitely something else?Avast! He be explicitly not a mally, town, nor scum. What kind of third party, I know not. If he were an SK miller 1. he woulda said and 2. we've already got one of those claimed.
Investigating Toony is quite possibly something I'd have done, but I'd still like to hear the rationale.Arrr, I needed to soothe the late-game paranoia that arises in me gut.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 11:05:09 am
Sadly, I am no longer on fleek due to being on fire, so I lost my extra vote. I've lost everything this game: my sunglasses, my edge, my town-confirmed status, my bulletproof, and even my extra vote.
There's one thing I'd still like to know.
Who tried to kill me?
Fair enough.Investigating Toony is quite possibly something I'd have done, but I'd still like to hear the rationale.Arrr, I needed to soothe the late-game paranoia that arises in me gut.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 11:28:59 am
... That only makes sense if NQT also got redirected to you though, which makes you third party.
Fallacy, will the game end once mafia have all died? If there are third parties aligned against town?
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 11:31:41 am
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 11:42:41 am
con·fla·gra·tion
:an extensive fire which destroys a great deal of land or property.
con·gre·ga·tion
:a group of people assembled for religious worship.
:a gathering or collection of people, animals, or things.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 11:44:42 am
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 11:48:56 am
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 11:59:05 am
Unless remaining scum are NQT + Toony (possible but unlikely?), that's Toony cleared of the countdown, unless they have a bus/repulse.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 07, 2022, 12:07:56 pm
Fallacy, will the game end once mafia have all died? If there are third parties aligned against town?The game ends once the Town win condition or an anti-Town win condition is accomplished.
In the event that all Mafia players are dead, the game will end unless there are remaining anti-Town non-Mafia players that still possess the potential to win.
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 12:35:07 pm
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 12:37:23 pm
I think this is correct, and Mafia probably doesn't have a non-Mafia kill.Welp.. I roleblocked Nakeen last night, so Knightwing's the only one who could have blocked the kill?
Activating the Final Countdown makes it so that the mafia kill can't be used anymore. There's no mafia kill to search for from N4.
Quote from: Jim
Did you try to kill him?Claim: I was roleblocked, set on fire, and killed.
Why won't anybody DIE
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 01:04:57 pm
Post by: Nakéen on November 07, 2022, 01:26:12 pm
I tried to delay Jack again, it was really my default choice.
More importantly I was informed EuchreJack did not fire a Kill Action during N3.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 01:35:23 pm
I already claimed trying to kill EuchreJack.
How come I'm not dead?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 01:56:01 pm
It's not for lack of trying.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 02:17:33 pm
TricMagic roleblocked me and set me On Fire, I can confirm this.Webadict is already dead nakeen. Really should have asked your scumbuddy to help with your claim.
I tried to delay Jack again, it was really my default choice.
More importantly I was informed EuchreJack did not fire a Kill Action during N3.
Post by: Nakéen on November 07, 2022, 02:26:10 pm
But I really am On Fire. I thought that was something you also did?TricMagic roleblocked me and set me On Fire, I can confirm this.Webadict is already dead nakeen. Really should have asked your scumbuddy to help with your claim.
I tried to delay Jack again, it was really my default choice.
More importantly I was informed EuchreJack did not fire a Kill Action during N3.
Quote
You were roleblocked. You are now On Fire! (Status) On Fire: You are burning! This has no innate effect.
Post by: Nakéen on November 07, 2022, 02:26:52 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 02:36:19 pm
Meta would suggest they did get set on fire. Which means NJW is the one lying here.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 02:37:46 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 03:24:25 pm
Remind me: could that be mally, or is it definitely something else?Avast! He be explicitly not a mally, town, nor scum. What kind of third party, I know not. If he were an SK miller 1. he woulda said and 2. we've already got one of those claimed.Investigating Toony is quite possibly something I'd have done, but I'd still like to hear the rationale.Arrr, I needed to soothe the late-game paranoia that arises in me gut.
So, if we know that mafia lose their night kill with Final Countdown, would they still read as Mafia? Beta are Those That Can Kill, and Omegas are Catch All for the remainder.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 03:34:03 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 03:41:48 pm
NQT visits Toony(TP)
TricMagic Roleblocks Nakeen(confirmed)
Jim shoots Euchrejack>Directly to NJW
NJW noned
Knightwing redirected Jim to NJW? Unlikely.
Knightwings claimed actions? As a dragon, is burning something they do?
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 03:45:37 pm
Night 1: Learned the ability that NQT used that night.
Night 2: Was roleblocked and lost one life.
Night 3: Attempted to Randomize Jim so as to Not Die, My action failed.
Night 4: Attempted to preform an investigation, that action failed, Instead Randomized Jim onto NJW2000. Sorry NJW2000, but at least you didn't die!
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 03:47:39 pm
I made a pretty angry rant after the day ended about how unfair this Final Countdown mafiakill is, but because the night took so long I've cooled off and don't think I should post it unless people want to see mad Toony. I think it would be a waste to complain about it at this point and I'm just gonna try to play this game out.
I'm a little upset Tric didn't mention they didn't get the refill from Juicebox until EoD3 up until the very end of Day 4, but it looks like Jim got the refill from Juice anyway?
@MOD: Can you confirm how Day actions work and whether they would resolve even if that player was being executed?
Anyway onto Day 5 comments before I delve into this game further and my reasoning of who I think the Final Countdown player is.
So, Knightwing and Nakeen are the only ones who could have stopped the kill. Which is it?Mafia couldn't have used a mafiakill last night Tric. Final Countdown means they can't use mafiakill anymore, although I suppose other means of killing are valid. There was also the fact that Nakeen claims to have delayed Jack on N3 as well as Knightwing claimed to have jailkeeped me on N3.
Yo ho ahoy me hearties! I have some bountiful news! Last night I hunted the big whale himself: Toony O'Man... and the blasted barnacle botherer is an Omega class...I'm town so you're lying or being messed with.
aye in layman's language, the Toon is a third-party!
Welp.. I roleblocked Nakeen last night, so Knightwing's the only one who could have blocked the kill?You should have used your kill.
Unless it's something Toony did, but...
1. This would have made you very likely town since mafia can't mafiakill anymore.
2. This would have probably removed another player, even if you were wrong it would reduce the amount of possible Final Countdown players.
I thought of explaining this to you, but not until after the day had already ended.
I think your presence has hurt town quite a bit Tric, although I can't scumread you for this.
juicebox recharged my kill.Interesting. I want confirmation from the MOD as well as an explanation from Jack.
I shot EuchreJack again.
I lived because I had the Congregation status from Vector, which is a one-time bulletproof.I'm still pretty sure you're town NJW.
Sadly, I am no longer on fleek due to being on fire, so I lost my extra vote. I've lost everything this game: my sunglasses, my edge, my town-confirmed status, my bulletproof, and even my extra vote.
There's one thing I'd still like to know.
Who tried to kill me?
Not sure who tried to kill you. I would think if Jack was delayed by Nakeen on N3 then that's there kill going off on you N4, but I don't believe Jack would try to kill you the same night Vector was giving you Congregation status.
Being On Fire makes me suspect Tric, but Nakeen should be able to confirm they were roleblocked by Tric?
If you were roleblocked then I suspect Knightwing used their jailkeep on you? So that's why you're alive probably. Knightwing, can you confirm?
TricMagic roleblocked me and set me On Fire, I can confirm this.Thanks for the confirmation.
I tried to delay Jack again, it was really my default choice.
More importantly I was informed EuchreJack did not fire a Kill Action during N3.
Better question, what did you do the previous night(s)?^
Exactly.
Jack, you posted a single time on Day 4 and didn't even claim what you did on Night 3.
I'm like 99% sure you're mafia and 90% sure you're acting scummy as fuck on purpose.
At the end of Day 4 I said NQT was scummy, but didn't think it was with you. But now you've decided to draw as much heat as possible after the Final Countdown started to eat the execution and keep your Final Countdown partner alive for the win. Sure, maybe you're double bluffing, but I don't think you have the balls. Meanwhile, having more players alive probably benefits the Final Countdown ability significantly, so there's no reason to even kill players if you're going for the Countdown win. This means a mafia!NQT not killing NJW is very reasonable and I want to believe he's the Countdown player and you're his partner.
Nakeen makes a very good point here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420244#msg8420244) on Day 2 that maybe Jack didn't really target NQT on N1 since they're partners.
I want to believe Jim, Tric, NJW, and Nakeen are town.
I'm reasonably sure Knightwing and TolyK are also town.
I feel strongly confident that Jack is mafia, but I don't think they're Final Countdowner unless they're going for a crazy double bluff play.
That leaves NQT as my choice currently.
I want more time to think about this though.
PPE:
...This is a good start. Let's get the claims sorted. I don't want to make any assumptions.
NQT visits Toony(TP)
TricMagic Roleblocks Nakeen(confirmed)
Jim shoots Euchrejack>Directly to NJW
NJW noned
Knightwing redirected Jim to NJW? Unlikely.
Knightwings claimed actions? As a dragon, is burning something they do?
I watched Jim last night and saw Jack visit them. I believe it's unlikely Jack would visit Jim if they're both mafia.
I was tempted to watch Jack last night to see if Jim would really try to kill them (and maybe steal shit from Jack), but felt it wasn't worth it in the end. I didn't take any items from Jim so they don't have any items.
Jim, notice anything weird happen?
Jack, why did you visit Jim last night? Also, what did you do Night 3?
PPE AGAIN:
Right, let me see...I see.
Night 1: Learned the ability that NQT used that night.
Night 2: Was roleblocked and lost one life.
Night 3: Attempted to Randomize Jim so as to Not Die, My action failed.
Night 4: Attempted to preform an investigation, that action failed, Instead Randomized Jim onto NJW2000. Sorry NJW2000, but at least you didn't die!
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 03:51:42 pm
Bit of a mess, but TolyK should have an inspect result too. Where is it?
That last one makes no sense Jack. Unless you got hit by Nakeen N3.
Heya, I just finished reading the update. I won't be able to keep a constant presence over the week-end, but I will try to compensate by contributing as puch as possible.
My claims
True to what I said on D3, I targeted EuchreJack with my delay. This time I wasn't roleblocked, so I assume it worked. I will know next Night if Jack used a kill action, but that will be too late considering the bomb that dropped.
There is nothing to suggest anyone acted on me, so I assume no one targeted me. Unless Jack targeted me, which if I managed to delay means I won't be afdected until next night.
I will need a bit more time before processing what was said. I will follow up with another post as soon as possible.
Yep~. Sigh.
Jim, are you the godfather? Seems like it's your fire that burned NJW, unless one of deez nuts also did something fire-related.
Ninjatoony. Want to comment on NQT's inspect of you? (And yeah, the refill came up at end of day. Guessing Juice couldn't change it once fired.)
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 03:52:58 pm
EuchreJack: you're aware that many people suspect that you're the last scum, right? And that we have exactly one elimination remaining? Which is quite likely to be used on you now?
If you're town, why didn't you just let Jim kill you in the night, rather than risk the entire game?
I want to know who claims to have !none'd this night.I none'd. Although I was roleblocked anyway.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 03:57:13 pm
Ok...
EuchreJack: you're aware that many people suspect that you're the last scum, right? And that we have exactly one elimination remaining? Which is quite likely to be used on you now?
If you're town, why didn't you just let Jim kill you in the night, rather than risk the entire game?I want to know who claims to have !none'd this night.I none'd. Although I was roleblocked anyway.
Easy!
That was my Night 3 action...
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 04:06:10 pm
So what I saw last night was your delayed Night 3 action finally hitting Jim and randomizing him onto NJW, who survived the kill because presumably Knightwing jailkeeped NJW.Ok...
EuchreJack: you're aware that many people suspect that you're the last scum, right? And that we have exactly one elimination remaining? Which is quite likely to be used on you now?
If you're town, why didn't you just let Jim kill you in the night, rather than risk the entire game?
Easy!
That was my Night 3 action...
This doesn't explain why your Night 4 action failed, maybe this will come to light.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 04:08:40 pm
So what I saw last night was your delayed Night 3 action finally hitting Jim and randomizing him onto NJW, who survived the kill because presumably Knightwing jailkeeped NJW.Ok...
EuchreJack: you're aware that many people suspect that you're the last scum, right? And that we have exactly one elimination remaining? Which is quite likely to be used on you now?
If you're town, why didn't you just let Jim kill you in the night, rather than risk the entire game?
Easy!
That was my Night 3 action...
This doesn't explain why your Night 4 action failed, maybe this will come to light.
What makes you think Knightwing jailkeeped?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 04:08:53 pm
Why didn't you claim on Day 3?
Also, I want you to explain (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423891#msg8423891) the reasoning for your Vector votes on Day 2 and Day 3. They seem unnatural and random.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 04:09:18 pm
What makes you think Knightwing jailkeeped?I am completely guessing.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 04:09:33 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 07, 2022, 04:11:35 pm
@Jack:
Why didn't you claim on Day 3?
Also, I want you to explain (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423891#msg8423891) the reasoning for your Vector votes on Day 2 and Day 3. They seem unnatural and random.
Ah, missed Day 4 questions. Yay.
Vector looked scummy, so I voted them. Web looked scummy, and seemed to be working with Vector.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 04:11:51 pm
What makes you think Knightwing jailkeeped?I am completely guessing.
You're already outed, so nope. A jailkeep wouldn't have killed the target. Unless Knightwing is third party.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 04:25:29 pm
You're already outed, so nope. A jailkeep wouldn't have killed the target. Unless Knightwing is third party.Fuck you. I'm busting my ass to help town. Even if you believe NQT's incorrect claim it still means I'm not mafia, I think the only third-parties that would want to help mafia in this situation would be a second mafia-ally or a Hunter targeting town.
Spoiler: Look at my Day 2 reads (click to show/hide)
I'm trying to find mafia. I only chose Juicebox over Jack (or NQT) on D4 because of incredibly unlucky circumstances and Vector's well played shading of Juice on D1.
NJW being alive after a kill targeting them and also being roleblocked makes me think they were jailkeeped, how is this unreasonable during the time Knightwing isn't here to confirm?
In addition, while I'm thinking about that...
@MOD: If a player none'd are they still notified that they were roleblocked?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 04:48:50 pm
I made a pretty angry rant after the day ended about how unfair this Final Countdown mafiakill is, but because the night took so long I've cooled off and don't think I should post it unless people want to see mad Toony. I think it would be a waste to complain about it at this point and I'm just gonna try to play this game out.
I want to see mad ToonyMan.
Jim, notice anything weird happen?
Negative.
Jim, are you the godfather? Seems like it's your fire that burned NJW, unless one of deez nuts also did something fire-related.
Negative.
Unless the On Fire! status spreads somehow which it does not indicate it does, then nothing in my role would cause NJW2000 to be on fire from anything I did to him.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 05:10:38 pm
Congregation also acts as a bulletproof, once.You're already outed, so nope. A jailkeep wouldn't have killed the target. Unless Knightwing is third party.Fuck you. I'm busting my ass to help town. Even if you believe NQT's incorrect claim it still means I'm not mafia, I think the only third-parties that would want to help mafia in this situation would be a second mafia-ally or a Hunter targeting town.Spoiler: Look at my Day 2 reads (click to show/hide)
I'm trying to find mafia. I only chose Juicebox over Jack (or NQT) on D4 because of incredibly unlucky circumstances and Vector's well played shading of Juice on D1.
NJW being alive after a kill targeting them and also being roleblocked makes me think they were jailkeeped, how is this unreasonable during the time Knightwing isn't here to confirm?
In addition, while I'm thinking about that...
@MOD: If a player none'd are they still notified that they were roleblocked?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 05:12:25 pm
Maybe. I'm getting mad.I made a pretty angry rant after the day ended about how unfair this Final Countdown mafiakill is, but because the night took so long I've cooled off and don't think I should post it unless people want to see mad Toony. I think it would be a waste to complain about it at this point and I'm just gonna try to play this game out.I want to see mad ToonyMan.
Congregation also acts as a bulletproof, once.You're right. I missed that because it's been a fucking week.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 05:20:00 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 07, 2022, 05:21:49 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 05:29:55 pm
Question is, who else walks the plank?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 05:37:59 pm
Every action that targeted Jack instead went to ToonyMakes sense. You don't trust me and trust Jack for some reason.
So, we kill Knightwing then? Jim's action got randomized after all.No. I think Knightwing is probably town.
I don't believe mafia have any incentive to try to kill at this point. This is confirmed by Nakeen who claims Jack's N3 action was not a killing action. I don't believe there was a mafiakill even performed on N3 and there couldn't have been a mafiakill on N4. Maybe mafia tried to kill me on N3 and Knightwing blocked it, but this is also unlikely as Vector probably truthfully claimed they tried to Congregate me on N3.
I believe Jack killed Max on N1 (they were not redirected by Knightwing, they clearly went for Max while Vector tried to Congregrate Webadict for later) and that Jack probably tried to kill on N2, but was blocked by Jim.
Tric, why didn't you try to kill last night?
Post by: notquitethere on November 07, 2022, 06:00:57 pm
Mafia most definitely wouldn't appear as Omega, kill or no kill, that I be certain as the sea is wet. Unless they have a miller effect, alas (but look where that horrible thinking led to with poor mate Juicebox). I really did double-check the sextants, maps, and the role pm too!
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:04:18 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:16:10 pm
No. I think Knightwing is probably town.To expand on this:
Knightwing's actions have come into conflict with the mafia this whole game.
1. He redirected actions from Web to Max on N1 which threw off mafia!Vector. He then eagerly admitted he received two votes to everyone.
2. Knightwing none'd on N2 for some reason, not sure about that.
3. On N3 he jailkeeped me while Vector also probably tried to target me to Congregate me, but Vector got redirected to NJW thanks to NJW. Not sure why mafia!Knightwing would do this because if Vector actually Congregate'd me I wouldn't be able to kill mafia anyway (not that I have kill).
4. On N4 he redirected actions from Jack to me. This doesn't mean much unless he was partners with Jack, which I don't believe...
In addition, he opens the game by claiming SK-miller which is already a towntell to me.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:18:30 pm
Vector tried to Congregate me on N2 since they were executed on D3. It doesn't line up for when Knightwing jailkeeped me N3.
Post by: notquitethere on November 07, 2022, 06:21:21 pm
You seem very concerned.And what precisely do ye mean by that, lubber?
I'll go over all the claims and the like and draw up me treasure maps... but in good time when everyone has had time to say their piece and I have time to have me kip. Rush on the deck and you risk rolling the boat. I made enough mistakes the last time I cast onto these seas, no need to make more.
I'm not going to read back now but when I do I hope to see the answer to what all those alleged delays did.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:22:47 pm
You seem very concerned.I'm being sarcastic here because I don't feel NQT actually cares about finding the Final Countdown mafia.
I would like them to prove me wrong by presenting a convincing case of who this player may be.
I'm probably going to bitch about the game balance whether we're right or wrong.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:27:08 pm
How much do you believe your N4 results? Give me your inner soul thoughts.You seem very concerned.And what precisely do ye mean by that, lubber?
Your opening post today gives me the impression you're very convinced, which I am extremely disappointed of.
I'll go over all the claims and the like and draw up me treasure maps... but in good time when everyone has had time to say their piece and I have time to have me kip. Rush on the deck and you risk rolling the boat. I made enough mistakes the last time I cast onto these seas, no need to make more.Thank you.
I'm not going to read back now but when I do I hope to see the answer to what all those alleged delays did.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 06:29:26 pm
Every action that targeted Jack instead went to ToonyMakes sense. You don't trust me and trust Jack for some reason.So, we kill Knightwing then? Jim's action got randomized after all.No. I think Knightwing is probably town.
I don't believe mafia have any incentive to try to kill at this point. This is confirmed by Nakeen who claims Jack's N3 action was not a killing action. I don't believe there was a mafiakill even performed on N3 and there couldn't have been a mafiakill on N4. Maybe mafia tried to kill me on N3 and Knightwing blocked it, but this is also unlikely as Vector probably truthfully claimed they tried to Congregate me on N3.
I believe Jack killed Max on N1 (they were not redirected by Knightwing, they clearly went for Max while Vector tried to Congregrate Webadict for later) and that Jack probably tried to kill on N2, but was blocked by Jim.
Tric, why didn't you try to kill last night?
Toony. What use would killing do? I could kill Jim, or kill TolyK. Notably, my only source of kill also Roleblocks. Killing Jim means going against my investigation result. Killing TolyK derives town of an inspect. (They better have one.) Blocking Nakeen means if the kill doesn't occur, it's Knightwing. Instead we get this.
Make no mistake, would have killed Jim if in case of a godfather, but doing so loses the game if paranoia is wrong. Or I could just target Nakeen with an inspect and solve it that way, but I don't have...
hua... TolyK inspected NJW. Which would set him on fire.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:34:13 pm
hua... TolyK inspected NJW. Which would set him on fire.?
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 06:38:44 pm
Also might confirm knightwing sending everything to NJW, but still marks them as third party for after all this I guess.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 06:50:31 pm
Remember the devil thing? I gave them my inspect, they got it as a 1-shot. It still sets people on fire. Ergo TolyK is our mysterious firesetter.That makes sense.
Want to confirm your full results TolyK?
Also might confirm knightwing sending everything to NJW, but still marks them as third party for after all this I guess.I don't understand what this means. Are you theorizing that Knightwing redirected actions to NJW?
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 07, 2022, 06:54:17 pm
I'm probably going to bitch about the game balance whether we're right or wrong.Well you would be right to complain. I messed up the balancing in several ways, which I won't detail now but I will be fully willing to discuss once the game is over. I'll need a break from running mafia after this, so it's a good thing the queue is so long.
@MOD: Can you confirm how Day actions work and whether they would resolve even if that player was being executed?A Day action either resolves immediately (if it is important / it's no strain on me to use in that way) or at the end of the Day (for other ones).
A Day action can be used, then resolve after the player using it is executed. Usage and resolution of an action need not be simultaneous.
@MOD: If a player none'd are they still notified that they were roleblocked?Yes. Now that I think about it, that's a stupid answer because roleblocking is a type of action failure, and a player that performs no actions cannot fail. I'll go with 'Yes, for this game and the sake of internal consistency, but I'm changing my response to No for all future games.'
ToonyMan covers his eyes against the bright, painful sunlight, and groggily puts on a pair of sunglasses to dim the lights.
ToonyMan uses Cool Shades.
ToonyMan now possesses an additional (currently unused) vote.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 06:56:37 pm
Every action that targeted Jack instead went to ToonyMakes sense. You don't trust me and trust Jack for some reason.
Why does Knightwing just state this as fact?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 06:59:54 pm
Every action that targeted Jack instead went to Toony
Why does everyone conspire to prevent me from killing EuchreJack
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 07:09:11 pm
To note, f Jack was dead and town, we'd have a pretty simple solution, just kill knightwing/nakeen and lynch the other.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 07:09:51 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 07:20:52 pm
It's true, Knightwing just comes in and states their night action and leaves. I don't think that's enough to scumread them though.Why does Knightwing just state this as fact?Every action that targeted Jack instead went to ToonyMakes sense. You don't trust me and trust Jack for some reason.
I've no clue. Would have really simplified today. Which is why I'm suspicious of Knightwing for doing so.I agree with this. We could theorize that Knightwing protected Jack because they're partners. I don't believe this is true though, however in this scenario it would mean Jack is the Final Countdown mafia which I find strange considering how much of a scapegoat they've been acting since the Countdown went off on D4.
Granted, if your kill really was randomized due to delay, that makes me suspicious of nakeen here.How does Nakeen factor into this? NQT confirmed Nakeen targeted Jack on N3 with a delay (after the fact I might add), and you can confirm that you blocked Nakeen on N4. Do you think Nakeen was able to control Jack's randomization that they delayed?
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 07:24:03 pm
Correct! I got the result that NJW is town, and didn't do anything this night. Given nobody else is on fire, I probably was not redirected or messed with. I think they're probably safe.Remember the devil thing? I gave them my inspect, they got it as a 1-shot. It still sets people on fire. Ergo TolyK is our mysterious firesetter.That makes sense.
Want to confirm your full results TolyK?
Post by: Nakéen on November 07, 2022, 07:29:09 pm
Correct! I got the result that NJW is town, and didn't do anything this night. Given nobody else is on fire, I probably was not redirected or messed with. I think they're probably safe.Remember the devil thing? I gave them my inspect, they got it as a 1-shot. It still sets people on fire. Ergo TolyK is our mysterious firesetter.That makes sense.
Want to confirm your full results TolyK?
I am On Fire though...
Post by: NJW2000 on November 07, 2022, 07:34:49 pm
I don't want to waste your time, but this is stuff I'd like to know.
Post by: TricMagic on November 07, 2022, 07:51:06 pm
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 07:52:35 pm
By the way, if people have ways of extending the day, we'll probably want to do that. I will probably do a public day action today, though idk whether it will extend the day...
I'm honestly not sure what to think today. Do we have much more info today? We could start by elimination of probably-not-mafia-bombs: NJW inspected, Jim inspected, me cuz I couldn't have actioned (though feel free to suspect me anyways). Who else? I don't feel like rereading, but I'll have to. :-[
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 09:06:03 pm
Toony: could you fullclaim, please?You're right. It's effectively lylo anyway.
I don't want to waste your time, but this is stuff I'd like to know.
I am The Worst Possible Post Restriction.
I wanted some goofy post restriction, but instead FoU made me a mailman.
I have a night action called Oh Tiamat - It’s The Post Inspectors which gives a player the status "Post Inspectors". Post Inspectors is a status that a player is told about, and it tells them that if they receive any items then they go elsewhere instead. This elsewhere is me. I haven't used this night action because the watch is better. It also technically counts as an auto because of the status or something which confused me so I thought I could use two night actions at once on N1, this isn't the case and FoU clarified with me.
I have another night action called Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction which is a two-shot that steals all items the player I target has, as well as watch them and see if anybody visits them. I was able to successfully use this on N2 and N4 so I'm out of shots.
I have a day ability called Customs Restriction which allows me to restrict a player's targets to three living players at the time. If they don't target one of those players the following night then they are roleblocked. I used this on D1, D2, and D3.
I had another day ability called Lockdown that's a one-shot. It allows me to for one day prevent any players from taking items from the public item pool, and learn the name of any players that do so. I never used this and gave it to TolyK on D2 as part of their offer. The public item pool has never been relevant.
On D1 I targeted Jim with Customs Restriction and made them have to target me, Web, or Jack.
On N1 I received an offer (from TolyK), got Dragon Walnuts (from Jim), and was roleblocked (by Web). I tried to watch Web with Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction but got no result because blocked. Dragon Walnuts are an item that prevent me from dying for a night if I use them. I haven't used them.
On D2 I accepted an offer and gave a player (TolyK) Lockdown in exchange for Devil's Grace, which is an auto one-shot that protects me if I were to die, or gives a kill action that has piercing. I also used Customs Restriction on Nakeen and made them have to target Vector, TolyK, or Juicebox.
On N2 I targeted Jim with Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction and successfully got a result that Vector visited Jim while also getting Cool Shades from them. It's pretty apparent that I actually targeted NJW since Vector targeted NJW and NJW had the Cool Shades.
On D3 I used Customs Restriction on TolyK, forcing them to target me, Tric, or Vector. Vector died on D3 so it was basically just me or Tric.
On N3 I tried to use Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction on Jim, but was roleblocked.
On D4 I used Cool Shades on myself.
On N4 I used Absolutely Nightmarish Post Restriction on Jim and got the result that Jack visited Jim.
On D5 I used Cool Shades on myself.
Too late in the day apparently.You know Tric, just for that I'll post what I originally wrote up when the day ended. Jim probably wants to see this anyway.
Spoiler: Don't open for the faint of heart (click to show/hide)
Some of my thoughts at the time are wrong, but I didn't realize at the time.
I think Tric roleblocking you is what made you On Fire, but yes you're right.Correct! I got the result that NJW is town, and didn't do anything this night. Given nobody else is on fire, I probably was not redirected or messed with. I think they're probably safe.Remember the devil thing? I gave them my inspect, they got it as a 1-shot. It still sets people on fire. Ergo TolyK is our mysterious firesetter.That makes sense.
Want to confirm your full results TolyK?
I am On Fire though...
I'm honestly not sure what to think today. Do we have much more info today? We could start by elimination of probably-not-mafia-bombs: NJW inspected, Jim inspected, me cuz I couldn't have actioned (though feel free to suspect me anyways). Who else? I don't feel like rereading, but I'll have to. :-[I think Jim and NJW are locktown unless you want to believe Jim and Tric are partners somehow, which I don't.
Nakeen I think is also super town unless there's insane distancing between themselves and Vector, which I don't believe.
Tric is probably town and just being dumb. Knightwing is probably town.
You're probably town TolyK.
Which leaves Jack and NQT in my eyes.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 09:11:37 pm
On D2 I accepted an offer and gave a player (TolyK) Lockdown in exchange for Devil's Grace, which is an auto one-shot that protects me if I were to die,This didn't come out right. What I mean is that if I have a kill action then I can get piercing on it if my target has some form of protection.or gives a kill action that has piercing.or gives a kill action piercing.
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 09:52:22 pm
Why is Nightwing town?
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 09:59:05 pm
D1 I had to choose a role from several, I chose Imaginary Devil.
N1 I did give Toony the choice, he agreed and gave me the Lockdown (he didn't know what he was getting, he did get what he claimed).
N2 I gave Tric a different choice, he gave the inspect to me (he didn't know I was giving him inspection clarity + millerdom, but I didn't know his inspect was 1-shot).
N3 I tried to inspect but got blocked by having to target non-Tric/Toony/Vector.
N4 I inspected NJW and found he was Town, didn't go anywhere, and is now on fire from that.
I am currently the Imaginary Devil. I still have a do-over if I want. Not that it gives me much of anything besides proving a day action.
Post by: TolyK on November 07, 2022, 10:01:27 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 10:30:33 pm
From what I can tell, Toony is telling the truth.Knightwing's actions don't make sense to me if they're with Vector.
Why is Nightwing town?
They seem to be acting on their own.
Wait. NQT had a countdown post restriction... What were his night actions, again?Juicebox also thought NQT was suspicious on D4 when I asked them due to their sort of countdown role.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 10:44:20 pm
Why isn't NJW dead though? I need to sort the N4 actions.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 10:58:39 pm
I think I get it. NJW was roleblocked because Jim's roleblock/kill targeted him instead of Jack last night thanks to Jack's delayed action. NJW is on fire because TolyK inspected them with Tric's one-shot thing they ended up using on Jim N1 before.Right right, Tric clarified that NJW had Congregation thanks to Vector which protects them from a kill...uh thanks mafia for sabotaging yourself I guess? Not that it really matters when we're in a 9 player lylo where we have to hit a single mafia.
Why isn't NJW dead though? I need to sort the N4 actions.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2022, 11:00:51 pm
NINE PLAYER LYLO
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 11:13:55 pm
In a game without the Final Countdown town would be in phenomenal shape.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 07, 2022, 11:39:14 pm
I am very aggravated about the Final Countdown power since it's a stupid fucking I win button that no mafia game has any business having, but probably more aggravating is that it changes the scum team's strategy from accumulating long term credibility while advancing goals into stalling for just long enough to win. Even sacrificing a member of the scum team is viable in this stalling strategy while under other circumstances it would be detrimental.
I think EuchreJack is scum and I have been denied multiple times to prove this. But he doesn't really give a shit since he made one post on Day 4 that was a vote on ToonyMan which is complete fucking nonsense. EuchreJack doesn't have stake in finding out who the countdowner is.
If ToonyMan is the countdowner then he's either on a team with notquitethere which doesn't work since it's a team without EuchreJack on it or a third party miller which I guess is possible but would be absolute fucking bullshit. ToonyMan has also shown investment the entire game and interest in finding out who the countdowner is. If ToonyMan is scum he would win without the final countdown so if ToonyMan is scum I am okay with him winning. I also don't think ToonyMan writes an angry rant about the Final Countdown if he's scum because if he did then that would be a cruel mockery of the town players.
NJW2000 has been inspected town twice now I think? The one shot bulletproof he got from Vector also procced during N4 proving that he was a target for Vector. I guess it's technically possible he could be scum but I think the odds are very low.
I don't think it's TricMagic. TricMagic has been consistently engaged all game long and also interested in who the countdowner is.
I also don't think it's Nakeen. Again, I feel like Nakeen has earnest interest in the outcome of this game.
I've been inspected as town and the Final Countdown is neither dragon nor nut flavored.
notquitethere is the interesting case. notquitethere pushed EuchreJack pretty seriously on Day 2 and was also one of the first people to vote Vector on Day 3. Does notquitethere do this if he' scum? I mean, maybe if he's got the Final Countdown in his back pocket. Does he attack juicebox on Day 2 if he's scum and misread his role? I mean, maybe. Does he cut NJW2000's throat and then not kill him if he's scum? This one is the most plausible I feel; I really don't like day kills being threatened and then not used. notquitethere has bad team synergy with confirmed scum Vector and probable scum EuchreJack but he could be playing the long game and have less interest in his teammates survival if he's the final countdowner.
Knightwing64 has been basically invisible. PPE: ToonyMan explains why Knightwing64 and Vector make a poor scum team.
During the six day period of Night 4 I thought the countdowner might be TolyK since getting to pick your role seems kind of broken and I think I recall mentions of him submitting a silly role and the Final Countdown is pretty broken and would fit a silly Shakeragian role. TolyK seems to care about who the countdowner is though.
So, I'm confused and don't know what to think other than EuchreJack is scum and maybe if we shoot him things might work out somehow but I doubt we'd be that fortunate. It would be nice if notquitethere was more clearly scummy but he's kind of a mixed bag. I have some reservations about TolyK but have a difficult time expressing why other than general unease.
I've been working on this post for a while now so it's time to post it and do something else.
Spoiler: Don't open for the faint of heart (click to show/hide)
This isn't that bad, really. You could've said much worse. TricMagic probably gets it the worst here out of anybody.
I already claimed trying to kill EuchreJack.
How come I'm not dead?
Night 4: Attempted to preform an investigation, that action failed, Instead Randomized Jim onto NJW2000. Sorry NJW2000, but at least you didn't die!
You fucker, you already knew why you didn't die.
Asshole.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 12:44:06 am
This does make me trust TolyK the least out of the players I think are town.
I was looking at Vector's posts in this game. It's hard for me to tell anything from them, especially after being wrong about Juicebox.
Jack and NQT both jumped on Vector pretty readily on D3 so if they're partners then they were already full on the Countdown plan at that point. I don't think mafia were playing to the Countdown wincon at first because they killed Max, but there's no evidence mafia tried to kill after that besides Jim blocking Jack on N2. Mafia probably don't want anybody to die if they're going for it since it makes it that much stronger.
Post by: TolyK on November 08, 2022, 02:24:52 am
I want to reread, but remembering Webadict and NQT interaction (and also, frankly, reading Jim's thoughts on the matter above) I think it's likely NQT.
Post by: Nakéen on November 08, 2022, 03:03:43 am
Going over the list of claims.
Claims
EuchreJack: N3 randomizer on Jim [Most likely delayed to N4], then N4 failed investigation but randomizer on Jim again. Two simultaneous randomizers on Jim is an amusing thought, but it probably didn't do much.
Jim Groovester: N3 shot Jack. Jack lived. N4 shot Jack. Was randomized and it seems the shot went on NJW2000 who was under the Congregate status protection.
Knightwing64: redirected actions on Jack to Toony.
Nakéen: delayed Jack on N4, but was roleblocked by TricMagic. On Fire.
NJW2000: was set On Fire, died, came back no longer On Fire due to Congregate. No action, but was roleblocked.
notquitethere: robot scan on ToonyMan, flagged as Omega (3rd party). Contested by ToonyMan, so there may have been another instance of redirection or it's on NQT here.
TolyK: inspected NJW2000, setting NJW2000 On Fire with the power TricMagic gave them. NJW2000 flagged as Town. NJW2000 then died and revived, losing the On Fire status and with it an extra vote it would seem.
ToonyMan: watched Jim and saw Jack visit Jim. This confirms the randomizer claim.
TricMagic: roleblocked Nakéen. Probably also set Nakéen On Fire?
Additional notes:
- MafiaKill is disabled.
- TricMagic has a kill, but didn't use it.
- Jim used a kill, but it went on NJW2000 who died and lived instead of EuchreJack.
Well I will be honest, the situation hasn't changed all that much compared to Day 4 except juicebox is gone.
The Countdowner
Scum or likely Countdowner
EuchreJack the Undying: the unwillingness to accept death by randomizing Jim confirms once more that EuchreJack if not scum is at the very least very anti-Town. Honestly I still can't wrap my head around the fact EuchreJack is still alive, this is almost comical. Could be the Countdowner, but that seems too easy and one bizarre gambit if Jack really is the Countdowner. If only Jack had died earlier.
notquitethere the Buggy Ninja-Pirate-Cat-Robot: the most bizarre about NQT is that everytime they fire the inspect, somehow the target claims the result is wrong. First time was due to a misread, and second time we are not sure yet. Had a countdown kill, which thematically fits with the Final Countdown, but the last time we lynched someone due to a theme it didn't work that well. Still, that's no reason not to suspect NQT due to overall shadiness? NQT seems to be playing some mind games, but it's hard to tell if they help or confuse Town.
Town or unlikely Countdowner
NJW2000 the Martyr: a lot pointed toward Town, which was confirmed later by TolyK. But we already suspected NJW2000 wasn't the Countdowner due to expending all their actions. Immortal in a different way than Jack's.
ToonyMan the One who wanted post restrictions but got a lousy postman t-shirt instead: very consistent and claimed their entire role and actions, which can all be verified save for the Tiamat one. But given Toony mentioned Tiamat in an earlier day, they are likely not lying.
TricMagic the Erratic Dragon: seems to be trying to help but made the critical mistake of not using the Kill. It would have been better to kill me or someone else rather than roleblock me. So far has a Roleblock-Kill Breath, some kind of Inspect Gaze, some kind of Scales, and a Highlander ability of sort. To be fair TricMagic is still very much mysterious to me, but the Countdown doesn't seem to mesh well with Tric's early claim of gaining something from being the last dragon standing.
Not enough info, but could be the Countdowner
Jim Groovester the Jack-Hunting Dragon: I like because Jim has been shooting Jack for two nights straight. Apart from Deez Nuts and the kill, I have honestly forgotten if Jim had more abilities.
Knightwing64 the Redirect Dragon: I feel is very similar to me because they have only used a single action the entire game (Redirect). Probably because the rest of the toolkit sucks in comparison. Given we have no idea what KnightWing64 can do, it doesn't exclude them from being the Countdowner. May have a kill given the two other dragons have one, but then why did they not use it?
TolyK the Imaginary Devil: some kind of Imaginary Demon, who may be a 3rd party, or maybe not. Pass contracts with other players which involves some exchange of abilities? Mysterious and sketchy abilities wise, and seems built around choices even with choosing his role at game start.
It's still a shot in the dark though.
I am The Too Lazy Too Choose a Role. None of my actions have shots.
Forgetful Yawn, a Night Action that skips my target's Night Results to the next Night.
Weaponized Procrastination, a Night Action that delays my target's actions to the next Night. I am informed the next Night if a kill action was used.
Calculated Laziness, a Night Action that can only be used after I successfully used Forgetful Yawn or Weaponized Procrastination the previous night. If Yawn was used I can also see the skipped Night Results. If Weaponized Procrastination delayed a kill action, I can redirect the kill to a new target except for the source of the kill.
Late Arrival, an Auto that protected me from execution on Day 1. I had a post restriction associated to it: if I posted before everyone had posted, I would lose this protection.
Post by: Nakéen on November 08, 2022, 03:04:48 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 08, 2022, 03:08:58 am
I was looking at Vector's posts in this game. It's hard for me to tell anything from them, especially after being wrong about Juicebox.
Jack and NQT both jumped on Vector pretty readily on D3 so if they're partners then they were already full on the Countdown plan at that point. I don't think mafia were playing to the Countdown wincon at first because they killed Max, but there's no evidence mafia tried to kill after that besides Jim blocking Jack on N2. Mafia probably don't want anybody to die if they're going for it since it makes it that much stronger.
Vector did not give a single shit about being lynched. The lack of protest about it makes me think that it was a team decision.
I think TolyK votes Vector first, then notquitethere, then EuchreJack, followed by NJW2000 and then myself to close out the day. TolyK votes Vector because of association with webadict, which he does before we find out the nature of Congregation from NJW2000. Without knowing what Congregation does voting Vector because of association with webadict doesn't make much sense since webadict was a mafia ally and couldn't have been on a team with Vector. notquitethere votes Vector and then never explains why, which is odd since he expresses that he thinks EuchreJack is scum but opts for Vector without explanation. EuchreJack votes Vector to save his skin, which he does without hesitation, which if EuchreJack is scum points to a decision made early on in the day to bus Vector.
Between TolyK voting for Vector for confusing reasons and notquitethere voting Vector for no given reason despite suspecting EuchreJack, which of them looks worse? For whatever reason I don't mind TolyK voting Vector so much; it's not good reasoning but I could see it happening organically.
This is a good post. I don't think you're the countdowner because you give a shit about the game.
Vector also had it out for you all game long.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 03:10:55 am
I'll be honest, I didnt see you saying not to inspect NJW. I saw him saying he was None-ing, so I wanted to be sure (plus I didn't have a good read on him). And Jack is the non-countdown mafia.Really? You didn't think NJW was town by D4? You could have inspected anybody else besides like Jim or Knightwing. I guess if you inspected Jack it would have went to me instead thanks to KW, but even that would be good to prove NQT's claim is false. In fact, nothing has come up to counter NQT's claim so either he's lying mafia or mafia messed with the results in some way. We can't change the past but I feel NJW was a poor choice.
I want to reread, but remembering Webadict and NQT interaction (and also, frankly, reading Jim's thoughts on the matter above) I think it's likely NQT.
PPE:
Nice post Nakeen.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 03:29:50 am
To be fair TricMagic is still very much mysterious to me, but the Countdown doesn't seem to mesh well with Tric's early claim of gaining something from being the last dragon standing.This rings true to me. I don't think Tric is mafia either, but this reasoning is good.
I think the Countdowner has to 100% be inside Jack/NQT/Knightwing/TolyK so this needs to be true for us to have a chance.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 04:38:42 am
Also, The Final Countdown does not seem to mesh with the lore of the post office (ha), so in any case it's not Toony we gotta elim.Honestly? You're taking Toony at his word. Besides, Final Countdown would have been even sillier if it flavour-outed the player involved. If anything, we should elim toony for making us think that would work.
I mean, I did think it would work too... and the final countdown player wouldn't let on they had a yu-gi-oh role, if they'd googled final countdown at all... man, I think that action sent everyone's mafia ability back five years into the past. Come to think of it, all of Toony's stuff could be from Yu-Gi-Oh, including the Tiamat thing.
Still... unless there's something I'm not seeing with the 3rd party result claim from NQT, it's not relevant, as either Toony is 3p or NQT is scum. Or it's just a wacky but actually very safe gambit to protect the countdowner.
Ugh. Nakeen is still just posting analysis, but I guess it looks like they care. It's like they want town to win more and more this game, or at least to look that way. Might still be scum, I don't think we can reliably second-guess Vector's hyperfocus on them, which came across as a bit forced. WIFOM.
Maybe the scumteam is very small, which is why every mafia-aligned player so far is rewarded for dying, and Jack is just the last scum?
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 04:59:26 am
Between TolyK voting for Vector for confusing reasons and notquitethere voting Vector for no given reason despite suspecting EuchreJack, which of them looks worse?Ahoy! But I wanted that scurvy Vector gone from D2, did I not?
Vector - 10
TolyK - 10
Nakeen - 7
Aye indeed the most quiet 3 were also the lowest posters on the first day. Arr... quality be not the same as quantity, but I have long observed that the most engaged players are usually not scum.
If we applied the same pattern to this game, it'd give us a scum team like Web/Jack/Vector.
Not a lot to be said there! I'm happy to drop anchor in Vector's port, so to speak, while we await the goods.
BUT if we wanted to make walk the plank someone who had nothing going for their claim, we'd throw overboard Vector, or perhaps the cabin boy KW (but not really KW, as his claim would have been easy to counterclaim, so there's no reason to suppose he'd lie that way).
Arr, either someone messed with me to give me a bad result or Toony is a third-party. As Toony denies it, we can be sure he's not a pro-town 3rd party, as he'd just confess t'were he that. And that's about all I can be sure... but what were the claimed actions? Searching for treasure now...
(Avast! What I am sure of if that his latest "full claim" is more barnacleshit. No way he by-chance submits a role name near identical to me own. His actions may be more or less truthfully reported, but the rest be nonsense.)
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 08, 2022, 05:39:22 am
Post by: TolyK on November 08, 2022, 08:03:23 am
I'm still thinking whether the Final Countdown thing was planned ahead by the scum team or not. Because you can easily look town buy mercilessly bussing your teammates, and then win when you're not eliminated.
...
So, NQT vs Toony on the results. NQT claims Toony is 3p, Toony says that's false.
So, one of them is lying (thus anti-town) at the very least about that. Toony has had (mostly) verifiable actions so far. Unless he has only used the Countdown ability outside of everything else (he could've - he didn't force-block anyone that day, right?), that means NQT is lying.
Vector was Mafia. Webadict was mafia-ally. Jack seems quite anti-town - probably non-countdowner mafia. (Wait, why did we decide this?)
I somehow doubt that there are more than 3 mafia + mafia-ally. Not enough kills for a serial killer to be in the game (including an SK miller, ha). It seems much more likely that the inspection confusion and redirection was supposed to be the name of the game.
So, in my mind, it's NQT and Jack. And NQT's role seems much more like a countdown role. He even had a countdown role restriction.
...I mean, I wouldn't count out the flavor being misdirecting by itself. It could definitely lead to multiple people, e.g. "dragon" roles this game and such.
Besides, Final Countdown would have been even sillier if it flavour-outed the player involved. If anything, we should elim toony for making us think that would work.
I mean, I did think it would work too... and the final countdown player wouldn't let on they had a yu-gi-oh role, if they'd googled final countdown at all... man, I think that action sent everyone's mafia ability back five years into the past. Come to think of it, all of Toony's stuff could be from Yu-Gi-Oh, including the Tiamat thing.
Still... unless there's something I'm not seeing with the 3rd party result claim from NQT, it's not relevant, as either Toony is 3p or NQT is scum. Or it's just a wacky but actually very safe gambit to protect the countdowner.
Quote from: NJW
Maybe the scumteam is very small, which is why every mafia-aligned player so far is rewarded for dying, and Jack is just the last scum?Maybe? With 14 players 3.5 scum players is much more likely than 2.5. I don't know whether prob of Jack being countdowner is higher than NQT being scum and countdowner.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 08:27:40 am
That is the role I submitted though. After the previous game I wanted a bad post restriction because I thought it would be funny. This is why I was upset when you and Web started this game talking with wacky post restrictions, Web appeared to be doing it for no reason though.
@TolyK:
I used Cool Shades yesterday and today. I didn't use Custom Restrictions because I wanted a publicly confirmable day action that was immediate instead of having to wait for another player to confirm the next day. I explained this on D4. This is no guarantee because I could have some way to double day action which I can't prove I don't, but that's mafia.
NQT insisted Juicebox inherently had double day actions when they voted him on D4 which I pointed out is incorrect and probably should have took more seriously since that's been NQT's MO this entire game: making incorrect statements.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 08:30:03 am
There's nothing to say Jack isn't the Countdowner, however I believe he's acting like far too easy a target. This could be a double bluff, but based on Vector's own behavior I think Jack is in the same boat as Vector and doesn't care like Jim said.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 08:41:14 am
Jack was voting TolyK.
After NQT slashed NJW's throat:
Looking at the other side, does this town clear NQT?
Revealing a day kill on Day 2 does not seem like something scum would do.
If NQT doesn't kill NJW and wastes their valuable daykill not killing then that's town points to me, even if their suspicion was correct and NJW really is mafia.
I agree with this.
I would say the opposite. You used the kill, you should see it through no matter the result. Taking it back for town points is something scum could do, especially with them almost confirmed by jack right now.VectorIf NQT doesn't kill NJW and wastes their valuable daykill not killing then that's town points to me, even if their suspicion was correct and NJW really is mafia.
I agree with this.
At this point, we're purely speculating on the NQT Daykill. We don't know if it's reusable if cancelled.
If a player uses a daykill, then cancels it because they think their suspect under pressure appears actually town, this is townie behavior.
Jack and Vector reading NQT as townie if they don't kill NJW. Tric against that and snap voting Vector (he's been snap voting all game so that part is less relevant).
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 08:45:27 am
@TolyK:Actually that would just be a single bluff wouldn't it?
There's nothing to say Jack isn't the Countdowner, however I believe he's acting like far too easy a target. This could be a double bluff, but based on Vector's own behavior I think Jack is in the same boat as Vector and doesn't care like Jim said.
@NQT:
How much do you believe your results?
I want to hear your own thoughts on this, not just "aarr he tp or me results messed with".
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 08:55:21 am
Wait. NQT had a countdown post restriction... What were his night actions, again?Avast, feast ye eyes on this:
N1: Inspected Juicebox
N2: Nothing, due to the aborted daykill
N3: Watched Nakeen visit EJ
N4: Inspected Toony and got a third-party result
N4 Claims So As They Be:
Jim: Shot Euchrejack, EJ lives.
Tric: Blocked Nakeen.
NJW: Roleblocked, set on fire, killed
Cap'n NQT: Investigated Toony: third-party result which he denies
Nakeen: Confirms being blocked and set on fire by Tric. Apparently EJ didn't try and kill on N3.
EJ: Delayed randomise from N3 was used to redirect Jim to NJW. Regular action failed.
Toony: Watched Jim, Jack visited them. This was claimed after EJ's claim.
KW: Redirected all from targeted at Jack to Toony. This seems directly contradicted by EJ's claim to have been the one to redirect Jim to NJW, though who knows what would take precedence?
TolyK: Inspected NJW, learning he didn't act, and setting him on fire.
Things I wants to know:
- Have I missed anything from the above?
- Who roleblocked NJW?
- Why is KW protecting EJ?
- Why did EJ's inspect action fail this round?
- Why did I get a 3rd party inspection on Toony?
Avast! One explanation right now is Toony is some kinda scum element, hence the extremely uncharitable readings he's giving ("incorrect statements" my "MO"!! I made about one or two serious mistakes and corrected them, you vile bilge monkey!), his constant role lying. Aye, but on reflection I still think him more likely aggrieved town than deep scum. He be invested in the game and seems genuinely peeved by the mutineer's everyone-dies effect (which, I agree, be a tide of sewage on our fair shore, to say the least...).
So let's say he's town and I were redirected or randomised or whatnot. Who coulda done it? Assuming no double-acting shenanigans:
- Not Jim, his kill is confirmed by NJW
- Not Tric, his block is confirmed by Nakeen
- Not Nakeen, was blocked by Tric
- EJ could have done it as no one confirmed their action today.
- KW's claim hasn't been confirmed by anyone, but it'd be a weird one to make if false
- Not TolyK, as his flame-setting is confirmed by NJW.
- Not NJW, as TolyK says they did nothing.
Arr, so it seems if Toony be town, then EJ be most likely scum, perhaps with his protector KW. OR the scum team be from one of the mutually-confirming pairs, TolyK-NJW, Tric-Nakeen, NJW-Jim. But this seems somewhat less likely.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 09:13:17 am
So many fun options. Second-guessing the mod and voting NQT on flavour! Second-guessing Vector and voting Nakeen! Second-guessing EJ and voting EJ! Second-guessing my gut and voting Toony!
Ok, here's one thing that might help people. I think we're looking for scum that didn't kill. So if we can figure out who likely (super?)killed D1, we can understand why not
Look at Vector's role. It has an innate "mafiakill", but not one that actually kills people. I suspect the same is true of the countdowner. I've asked FoU about whether Vector would have shown a standard kill on flip, but instinct says they would have.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 10:41:56 am
I wrote my claim in a large post which took some time. Just before I posted Jack slipped in with their claim, so yes TECHNICALLY it was immediately right after but it's incredibly misleading to say that without context, aka yes your MO this whole game.
@NJW:
If mafia are Jack/NQT I'm pretty convinced Jack crossbowed Max because Jack claimed results about NQT while NQT claimed results about Juicebox, erroneously I might add just for NQT. This means NQT has a clear while Jack has nothing in that scenario.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 10:51:58 am
Stop grousing and help me with these questions, especially the first one. Did I miss any other claims?
Things I wants to know:
- Have I missed anything from the above?
- Who roleblocked NJW?
- Why is KW protecting EJ?
- Why did EJ's inspect action fail this round?
- Why did I get a 3rd party inspection on Toony?
Arr, we have three unclaimed actions, as far as I can see it. What's yer theory?
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 10:54:00 am
I was cut to the quick with my night claim on D4 meself.(Though, I might add, that were deliberate on me own part, having wanted to see what Nakeen would claim. In any asymmetric claim sequence, you'll usually have one person confirmed and one unconfirmed doing the confirming, savvy?)
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 10:55:50 am
I think if you're town then it has to be Jack and Knightwing, but none of that makes sense unless Jack is the Countdowner, but his actions don't line up with that to me. In addition Knightwing acted in conflict with Vector on N1 and I feel they have been playing pretty independent and are town.
I also don't think it's solo scum since two mafia and an ally is really low for 14 players. Not really feeling an SK right now.
PPE:
Jim role blocked NJW while trying to kill them. FoU confirmed that even though NJW none'd (which TolyK confirms) he still gets a blocked message.
Don't know what KW is currently thinking since they've been busy apparently, but I can believe that. Hopefully they are available today.
Jack's inspect... shouldn't have failed right? Since Nakeen was blocked from delaying them thanks to Trick.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 11:00:40 am
Toony, ye salty dog, I'm not trying to say yer scum over it. Only that yer action is not confirmed. I was cut to the quick with my night claim on D4 meself.Also, screw you. If you look at mine and Jack's posts side by side and think my action isn't 99% confirmed then you have a deep distrust of me and must also think I have insane wizard speed fingers.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 11:12:31 am
If we're looking at countdown!Nakeen, Vector could have just counted on dying in order to make them look good for a day or two for the instawin. Woud be a viable strategy, as Vector gets to create allies or at least uncertainty with the Congregation convert.
I don't see countdown!EJ and scum!NQT, or countdown!EJ with anyone other than Vector. Nice WIFOM if it was, way to make sure town can't turn a 1/7 into anything better than a 1/2 by thinking carefully. But I feel like the countdown player wouldn't have another kill... unless it's just random flavour WIFOM by the mod at this rate, which is fun I guess. So not countdown!NQT.
Flavour-wise, crossbow looks like it might be a superkill (one-shot/long reload, penetrates armour, non-standard kill description), which I suspect the non-countdown, non-Vector mafia would have instead of a normal kill, although this is pretty weak speculation. That would be on EJ? I guess he couldn't have used it twice, or he was successfully blocked/delayed if he tried to use it again.
If we're dead set on scum!EJ, Nakeen does look like they might be coordinating with them quite heavily. Given their mediocre D1, stuff like this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422548#msg8422548) where they take EJ over Vector looks a little too good to be true. And maybe I'm just wrong about how Jack's been playing, I don't know.
I'm leaning towards countdown!Nakeen.
Hey, the claim flavour fits.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 11:13:06 am
But your grumpy indignation here does read as town. I feel the same when you're pointing the finger at me, after all I've tried to do in this bleeding game! If I were scum I could have slept through like TolyK and KW and done bugger all and got a free pass. But no.
On your prompting, I went and looked at the time stamps, and you're absolutely correct Jack only claimed two minutes before you got your post out, a post that must have spent more than two minutes writing. Aye, so it is very likely you're telling the truth.
Arr, thanks for cluing me in on NJW/Jim blocking situation. So only two unknown claims.
Jack's inspect... shouldn't have failed right? Since Nakeen was blocked from delaying them thanks to Trick.Aye, now we're getting somewhere. There's no reason it should have failed that I can see.
but none of that makes sense unless Jack is the Countdowner, but his actions don't line up with that to me.What kind of activity would you expect from the Countdowner then?
Now it seems to this old sailor that:
1. The mutineers know I was a robot and so had to perform the robot action last night (if at least one of them be paying attention, they'd know that I'd said as much)
2. They know that KW appears as SK on inspection (or so he had claimed) AND TolyK had been a miller (did he ever claim to have gone through with getting rid of that status?)
3. They could reasonable assume redirecting me to a miller would cause us to go after one another today.
KW is a claimed redirector and there is no evidence their redirect actually happened last night (or indeed on N1). Or EJ could be the redirector onto KW.
Arr, and we don't know who is the countdowner (which is the big question) but I feel like we're getting somewhere...
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 11:58:36 am
This is a good post. I don't think you're the countdowner because you give a shit about the game.
Vector also had it out for you all game long.
Bad post cause of the fact they misunderstand my kill. I can only kill people that are already on fire, which are TolyK and Jim. My only method of triggering it last night came with a roleblock. So killing Jim means Jim's kill doesn't happen. Killing TolyK might have worked out, but they had the investigation.
Assuming ToyK/Me are town, we know that Jim/NJW are town.
Assuming NQT is town, we know... Hmm, what was NQT's night 1 result again.
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 12:03:19 pm
As a question, do we know who killed Max night 1?
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 12:09:00 pm
N1: Juicebox was town. I got meself in a twist later second-guessing the mod and thinking he was a scurvy godfather.
Arr, and as for who ran a cutlass through poor Seaman Max... if it wasn't the scabrous Vector (and I can see the argument that it wasn't) it musta been a double-actor or KW, whose action was never confirmed by nobody and conveniently only impacted confirmed mutineers, Vector and Web.
POE keeps coming back to KW/EJ as the last mutineers, but I'll have to look at the votes before I say anything more decisive...
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 08, 2022, 12:25:39 pm
Why would I….
You know what?
I’m…
Aarrhehhrdjpnu
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 12:47:40 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 01:03:05 pm
If we're dead set on scum!EJ, Nakeen does look like they might be coordinating with them quite heavily. Given their mediocre D1, stuff like this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422548#msg8422548) where they take EJ over Vector looks a little too good to be true. And maybe I'm just wrong about how Jack's been playing, I don't know.I just can't see Nakeen as scum. Maybe it looks like Nakeen has been really "on the ball" with the game state, but I think that's because they're playing well.
I'm leaning towards countdown!Nakeen.That's true sort of with the Being Late role, but that's about as good evidence as NQT's (or Juice's) claim flavor.
Hey, the claim flavour fits.
I think Jack is trying to get as much heat as possible. A suspicious claim is perfect for this.Jack's inspect... shouldn't have failed right? Since Nakeen was blocked from delaying them thanks to Trick.Aye, now we're getting somewhere. There's no reason it should have failed that I can see.
They'd want to look as town as possible to avoid being executed or killed. They'd also have an incentive to not kill any players to maximum the amount of possible Countdowners. Lurking hardcore and not caring is the opposite of what I'd expect.but none of that makes sense unless Jack is the Countdowner, but his actions don't line up with that to me.What kind of activity would you expect from the Countdowner then?
KW is a claimed redirector and there is no evidence their redirect actually happened last night (or indeed on N1). Or EJ could be the redirector onto KW.I believe Knightwing. They showed a heavy suspicion of me the previous day, so their redirect makes sense to same way they suspected Max on N1.
Thanks for clarifying, your action makes more sense.
This is a good post. I don't think you're the countdowner because you give a shit about the game.
Vector also had it out for you all game long.
Bad post cause of the fact they misunderstand my kill. I can only kill people that are already on fire, which are TolyK and Jim. My only method of triggering it last night came with a roleblock. So killing Jim means Jim's kill doesn't happen. Killing TolyK might have worked out, but they had the investigation.
Assuming ToyK/Me are town, we know that Jim/NJW are town.
Assuming NQT is town, we know... Hmm, what was NQT's night 1 result again.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 01:19:38 pm
I think that's a reasonable request.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 01:37:22 pm
Also also, I am Schrödiger's Catgirl.
I am indeed rolefishing by doing this, what are you gonna do about it, I fucking love fishies, nya~
I believe I've claimed all but me role name and my pirate power... when I'm at a computer I'll fill ye all in on the complete map o' me personalities...
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 08, 2022, 01:51:10 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 02:05:15 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 02:33:32 pm
Honestly, I think Jack is scum acting scummy on purpose to hide the true countdownerSo why did you redirect actions away from him last night?
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 02:35:28 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 03:03:15 pm
A better question is order. Would the randomizer have priority over the redirection? Since with Knightwing redirecting actions against Jack to another, I wonder if that overrode it.
Avast, Tric, as ye are not capable of reading the very post that originated this wicked game we play, I have provided the booty:
I'm using sane Natural Action Resolution. While I reserve the right to make super-priority actions, by default your Night actions are resolved according to the Natural Action Resolution as seen on mafiascum wiki, paradox resolution handled via the emergency list, and then rolling for initiative if even that fails.
Quote from: Mafiascum Wiki
In case of emergency breakdown of the Golden Rule
If there is really no other option, the traditional recommendation of Natural Action Resolution is to pick whichever of the conflicting actions comes first on the following list, and resolve it first:
Copy
Hide
Bus Drive
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Recruit
Inspect
Do not use this list unless actions are actually in conflict; that is, that both affect each other.
If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list.
Sadly, though, this list tends not to help in the majority of conflicting actions; the most common cases of conflicts, e.g. Roleblocker versus Jailkeeper, appear in the same location on the list.
Count minor modifications of the actions listed above the same as the basic action (e.g., randomize would be the same priority as redirect).
Arr, the upshot is, if Governor Fallacy did what he said he would do, then it be completely random whether a randomise would take priority over a redirect, savvy?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 03:28:11 pm
A better question is order. Would the randomizer have priority over the redirection? Since with Knightwing redirecting actions against Jack to another, I wonder if that overrode it. In which case it becomes the question...Why target NJW and not Nakeen?What are you talking about?
Last night Jim's kill got randomized onto NJW thanks to Jack (I can confirm that Jack targeted Jim last night), if Knightwing redirected Jim from Jack to me then I would have been roleblocked and killed (well I wouldn't have died, but whatever). That isn't what happened.
In other words, Knightwing redirected nobody last night as the only player that we know targeted Jack was Nakeen, and they were roleblocked by you.
I have no idea why NQT is talking about stuff that doesn't matter instead of just clearing up your question.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 03:32:53 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 03:36:51 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 03:47:44 pm
Toony, matey, there you go being uncharitable again. And this time it's even less to yer credit. Of course it bloody matters! If redirecting were to take precedence over randomisation, it would show KW was definitely lying, savvy?...
Jack randomized Jim last night.
Jim's target became randomized.
Jim's random target became NJW.
Jim never targeted Jack last night.
Jim was never redirected by Knightwing.
I do not see how the redirect could happen before the randomize unless the randomize operates completely differently than all rationale logic.
Jack my mafia friend, can you explain to us how your randomize works since it's important.
That and a bit tired from workout. Question... Did Knightwing know about you being safe from a kill? Cause that puts him in the worst light if the case, cause his redirect would not cut down the numbers at all.I refuse to believe Knightwing redirected actions from Jack to NJW last night. I think their claim is truthful.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 03:49:43 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2022, 04:02:55 pm
Also: It changed the result randomly, so I guess it could have changed the result back to the original result. Reroll a dice but get the same result, that sort of thing.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2022, 04:07:50 pm
The only way I see it's possible that Knightwing redirected Jim from Jack to NJW is if Knightwing is lying PLUS Jack's randomize made Jim...target Jack anyway.WaitAminute. If a redirect and a randomizer targeted the same player, wouldn't it make sense to just use the redirect and ignore the Randomizer? Or have the Randomizer work and ignore the Redirect? They do the same thing, so only one can act.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 04:15:43 pm
I do not see how the redirect could happen before the randomize unless the randomize operates completely differently than all rationale logic.Aye, Toony mate, I'm not saying it could happen. But if that had been the priority order, it would have caught KW out in a lie. So it was important to know, savvy?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 04:21:13 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 04:22:27 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 08, 2022, 04:25:07 pm
JimBetween TolyK voting for Vector for confusing reasons and notquitethere voting Vector for no given reason despite suspecting EuchreJack, which of them looks worse?Ahoy! But I wanted that scurvy Vector gone from D2, did I not?
Why do you pick Vector on Day 3 over EuchreJack? On Day 2 it looked like you wanted webadict and then EuchreJack and then maybe Vector after that.
role result analysis
Why is this what you're focusing on?
Is this going to accomplish anything?
If we're dead set on scum!EJ, Nakeen does look like they might be coordinating with them quite heavily. Given their mediocre D1, stuff like this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422548#msg8422548) where they take EJ over Vector looks a little too good to be true. And maybe I'm just wrong about how Jack's been playing, I don't know.
I'm leaning towards countdown!Nakeen.
In the periods where Vector does give a shit about playing they try to lynch Nakeen.
I really don't think it's Nakeen.
Since the game could easily end today I think everyone should full role-claim too.
I think that's a reasonable request.
I am DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
I can hand out DRAGON NUTZ from my DRAGON NUTS SACK. I can offer DRAGON WALNUTS, DRAGON PECANS, DRAGON ALMONDS, and DRAGON CASHEWS.
-DRAGON ALMONDS - a one shot that disables a random ability on a target
-DRAGON WALNUTS - a self target one shot that protects against one kill the night it's used
-DRAGON CASHEWS - a free self target one shot that removes a disable on an ability or removes a status effect
-DRAGON PECANS - a one shot that when used with another action makes it so the action is unable to be roleblocked or have its target changed
I can use my ACORN BREATH - GOTTEM! which is a one shot kill that roleblocks the target as well.
I have an auto called THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE. If am the only dragon left, when I hand out items from my DRAGON NUT SACK I can take one for myself as well.
N1 I gave ToonyMan DRAGON WALNUTS. I was set On Fire! and Soaked.
N2 I used ACORN BREATH - GOTTEM! on EuchreJack.
N3 I gave TricMagic DRAGON PECANS.
End of D4, juicebox replenished a charge on ACORN BREATH - GOTTEM!
N4 I used ACORN BREATH - GOTTEM! on EuchreJack again.
Honestly, I think Jack is scum acting scummy on purpose to hide the true countdownerSo why did you redirect actions away from him last night?
Why does everyone conspire to prevent me from killing EuchreJack
Does Vector/EJ/KW make sense? Why tf does Knightwing64 redirect people from EuchreJack to ToonyMan if he thinks he's scum and he knows I am going to fucking shoot EuchreJack
Did Knightwing64 even submit his own action?
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 04:37:36 pm
I can see Vector trying to bus their most powerful scumbuddy in order to be basically town-confirmed. But maybe I'm not getting Nakeen today.
In the periods where Vector does give a shit about playing they try to lynch Nakeen.
I really don't think it's Nakeen.
I really don't think it's NQT because my intuition says that the countdown player hasn't been given the ability to slit someone's throat. I can see scum!NQT, but it just seems crazy that Vector would have no kill, but the countdown player would have a kill and a game-ender.
Or maybe it is, I don't know. The fact that there's probably two scum out there and we have to kill a specific one of them is a bit much, really.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 05:32:23 pm
I really don't think it's NQT because my intuition says that the countdown player hasn't been given the ability to slit someone's throat. I can see scum!NQT, but it just seems crazy that Vector would have no kill, but the countdown player would have a kill and a game-ender.Uuuuuurgh that reasoning does make some sense.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 05:36:31 pm
Does Vector/EJ/KW make sense? Why tf does Knightwing64 redirect people from EuchreJack to ToonyMan if he thinks he's scum and he knows I am going to fucking shoot EuchreJackI don't know
Did Knightwing64 even submit his own action?
I don't know what Knightwing is thinking. I felt their accusation of me here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423808#msg8423808) was sudden, but I could understand the paranoia.
I really don't think Knightwing is mafia. Look, even in that post I linked he has no idea how the Countdown works and thinks he blocked me from using it on Night 3. If Knightwing is acting clueless he's doing an amazing job at it.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 05:40:17 pm
At least your argument for Nakeen makes more sense then your insane number conspiracy in Proc Gen 4.In the periods where Vector does give a shit about playing they try to lynch Nakeen.I can see Vector trying to bus their most powerful scumbuddy in order to be basically town-confirmed. But maybe I'm not getting Nakeen today.
I really don't think it's Nakeen.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 05:46:28 pm
I think not Jim due to play and inspect
I think not NQT due to kill
I think not EJ because the countdown player would take fewer risks, and intentionally drawing the elim as scum is something EJ would do
My gut says not Tric
I suspect not Toony though I'm not sure why... I'm not sure whether or not the 3p result was interfered with. Very hard to read.
I dunno about TolyK
Nakeen pings me hard but people I haven't played with before often do.
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 05:54:19 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 08, 2022, 05:59:07 pm
TolyK possesses a Dragon role!
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 06:09:38 pm
I had a reusable bus-myself-with-someone-else.
I had an extra vote that I lost if I was set on fire or soaked
I had the Cool Sunglasses item.
I also had a 1-shot auto that disabled any ability that inflicts a status effect on me, which hit Vector.
Note from FoU: the mafia always have a straightforward mafiakill. So there you go.
Probably mostly done for the night.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 06:12:03 pm
Can you say the name of your role and abilities too? Not that I suspect you, but I think this is important that everyone mentions them too.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 06:26:21 pm
Role With Excessive Post Restrictions
(Auto) Increasingly Unusual Activity: Avast and alas! I can only use Steal Booty, AI Algorithms and Cat On A Fence if I happens to make a good effort at being the relevant personality the day before. Only get to do the thing if I stick to one personality, mind. Hence the day kill scuttling me piracy from before, savvy?
(2-Shot, Night) Steal Booty [target]: Linked to the ‘Pirate’. I can rob an item.
(2-Shot, Night) AI Algorithms [target]: Linked to ‘Robot’. Learn Alpha, Beta, or Omega classed. Non-lethal Town players and Mafia-Allies be Alpha, Lethal town and Mafia players be Beta, all third parties be Omega.
(Night) Cat On A Fence [target]: Linked to ‘Catgirl’. See who visits target, can't be spotted while at it.
(1-Shot, Day) Most Unusual Post Restriction [target]: Publicly slit their throat with me cutlass, then count down from 20 in non-consecutive posts. If ye reach 0, then the target walks the plank.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 08, 2022, 06:29:30 pm
It suddenly becomes very obvious that TolyK is big, scaley, and scary.
TolyK possesses a Dragon role!
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 06:31:36 pm
@NJW:Hm... why? I suspect 3rd party stuff.
Can you say the name of your role and abilities too? Not that I suspect you, but I think this is important that everyone mentions them too.
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 06:40:02 pm
Nakeen, Jack, and Knightwing are the main suspects today. Jack, answering the last question asked of you?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 06:46:24 pm
That's fine, I don't care about you anyway.@NJW:Hm... why? I suspect 3rd party stuff.
Can you say the name of your role and abilities too? Not that I suspect you, but I think this is important that everyone mentions them too.
Same. NJW got a town inspect from TolyK, so unless both are mafia that clears them.I hate your tone so much holy shit.
Nakeen, Jack, and Knightwing are the main suspects today. Jack, answering the last question asked of you?
Anyway yeah, I want to hear Jack and Knightwing's full role-claims and won't take no as an answer from them.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 06:48:15 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 06:51:31 pm
Nakeen, Jack, and Knightwing are the main suspects today. Jack, answering the last question asked of you?Jack doesn't give a fucking shit about this game. He would have claimed anything about his role ages ago if he cared, and he doesn't. I don't see any mind space where town!Jack shadily holds back anything about their role this far into the game! I don't think he does that, because he has no intent of helping town whatsoever and the idea of revealing more of himself on D4 or D5 to help town hasn't even crossed his mind, because he's not town.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 06:54:01 pm
Argh, here be me role at last! I've synoymised all the names in case there are role stealers/nullifiers who use that information, but I haven't changed any themes. That buccaneer TolyK hinted at being such a disabler at the start of the game, did he not? I also rewrote the descriptions so I be not quoting that Governor Fallacy.This does look believable...
Role With Excessive Post Restrictions
(Auto) Increasingly Unusual Activity: Avast and alas! I can only use Steal Booty, AI Algorithms and Cat On A Fence if I happens to make a good effort at being the relevant personality the day before. Only get to do the thing if I stick to one personality, mind. Hence the day kill scuttling me piracy from before, savvy?
(2-Shot, Night) Steal Booty [target]: Linked to the ‘Pirate’. I can rob an item.
(2-Shot, Night) AI Algorithms [target]: Linked to ‘Robot’. Learn Alpha, Beta, or Omega classed. Non-lethal Town players and Mafia-Allies be Alpha, Lethal town and Mafia players be Beta, all third parties be Omega.
(Night) Cat On A Fence [target]: Linked to ‘Catgirl’. See who visits target, can't be spotted while at it.
(1-Shot, Day) Most Unusual Post Restriction [target]: Publicly slit their throat with me cutlass, then count down from 20 in non-consecutive posts. If ye reach 0, then the target walks the plank.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 06:57:44 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on November 08, 2022, 07:06:43 pm
I'm a Sharp Dressed Man.
Post by: TolyK on November 08, 2022, 07:13:29 pm
I'm now a dragon with an ability quite similar to one that Jim claimed in terms of name (cloud breath, which disables used actions), and one that is identical in name (there can only be one, which makes the breath stronger). And an auto that announces I'm a dragon. And I'm no longer a fake devil, so no Miller.
The third alternative role was one that forces me to act every night & forces others to target me. I didn't switch to them & can't unless my 1-shot gets replenished.
Basically i got 3 roles to choose from, but only 1 was actually powerful. Mostly the information on possibility space was useful.
Do we think we have only people with Dragon roles left as town? Sure could be the case either way.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2022, 07:14:07 pm
Nakeen, Jack, and Knightwing are the main suspects today. Jack, answering the last question asked of you?Jack doesn't give a fucking shit about this game. He would have claimed anything about his role ages ago if he cared, and he doesn't. I don't see any mind space where town!Jack shadily holds back anything about their role this far into the game! I don't think he does that, because he has no intent of helping town whatsoever and the idea of revealing more of himself on D4 or D5 to help town hasn't even crossed his mind, because he's not town.
Hey man, I gotta work for a living, and you know, vote in real life. Looking for the role now...
Post by: EuchreJack on November 08, 2022, 07:28:03 pm
Role Name: RED Troubleshooter
(Item, Night) R&D Equipment: You give out Mandatory Equipment to target player, causing the actions used by them this Night to be randomized.
(Night) Spies Everywhere [target]: Your Secret Society contacts bug your target, and learn the full text of any action or actions they used this Night. You also learn the number of Item abilities they possess.
(1-Shot, Night) Mutation Heat Sense [target]: You determine who target player targeted this and one previous night.
(2-shot, Auto) Extra clones: You have two more clones before you die for good
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 07:29:23 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 07:37:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 07:44:46 pm
Haha very funny. Can you admit that you have no vested interest in this game?Hey man, I gotta work for a living, and you know, vote in real life. Looking for the role now...Nakeen, Jack, and Knightwing are the main suspects today. Jack, answering the last question asked of you?Jack doesn't give a fucking shit about this game. He would have claimed anything about his role ages ago if he cared, and he doesn't. I don't see any mind space where town!Jack shadily holds back anything about their role this far into the game! I don't think he does that, because he has no intent of helping town whatsoever and the idea of revealing more of himself on D4 or D5 to help town hasn't even crossed his mind, because he's not town.
Avast, so it be a two-person mutineer team with EJ/Vector + Web!Mally, with Vector creating another Mally on death, and EJ having extra lives. Game solved.This game is unwinnable if Jack is the Countdowner because even if we execute him today he still has a remaining Extra Life if we believe the two-shot part.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 07:52:27 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 07:56:05 pm
All you buccaneers with abilities to prevent dying, PM fallacy and ask how it interacts with the Countdown
Who knows, maybe he balanced the game around a town core surviving the whole ship sinking...
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 08:06:26 pm
Alternatively I could swallow someone, which would remove them from the game until I died. Which would protect the swallowed, though I'd use it on Jack here.
Probably should ask about Dragon Scales. It might end up a tie scenario if the superkill triggers them and it's Nakeen.
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 08:11:24 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 08, 2022, 08:55:01 pm
K
(Summarizing abilities)
I’m a Reality Warping Dragon of Dubious Morals
(Night) Draconic Barrier [target]: protects them from kill actions performed this Night and roleblocks them as well.
(2-Shot, Night) Draconic Distortion [target1][target2]: single target actions performed on your first target this Night are redirected to instead target your second target. If your second target is killed, gain an additional vote permanently. (Tapped out of uses.)
(Auto) Uncertain Morality: alignment is treated as Serial Killer for investigative abilities. if a Serial Killer aligned player wins the game, you are treated as if you possess the Serial Killer-Ally win condition.
(Auto) There Can Only Be One: If you are the only remaining player with a Dragon role, using Draconic Barrier automatically also self-targets it on you without including its roleblock effect.
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 09:00:59 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 08, 2022, 09:05:50 pm
Those aren’t the full abilities. I cut some parts out so it wouldn’t be just a copy and paste.
Also, I swear, I’m like the only one who realizes that I could just be looking up how to make a convincing role claim and just lying out of my ass and only telling the truth about the redirect?
Not saying that’s the case but
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 09:07:58 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 08, 2022, 09:08:43 pm
The last one is what I have, what Jim has, what TolyKNuts has. You get a pass for now given mafia countdowner.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 09:42:37 pm
Although... the mass mafiakill is unstoppable and irreversible, but how does that work with clones etc.?I highly doubt I would survive even with the Devil's Grace protection. I think the mafiakill ability made this clear.
All you buccaneers with abilities to prevent dying, PM fallacy and ask how it interacts with the Countdown
Who knows, maybe he balanced the game around a town core surviving the whole ship sinking...
@Knightwing:
You need to claim your day ability as well. You admitted to having one and failing to use it by accident on D3 afterwards.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 09:47:23 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 09:48:24 pm
The last one is what I have, what Jim has, what TolyKNuts has.Knightwing and TolyK both claimed a kind of miller too, although it's odd in TolyK's case. KW's miller part implies a SK exists, but does not guarantee it.
Again, if a SK exists I think it's TolyK which is kind of relevant right now since a SK would not be the Countdowner.
I still really feel Knightwing is town. I spent this whole game feeling like TolyK is not mafia too. I think even if TolyK is SK they have an incentive to find the Countdown mafia just the same as town.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 09:52:33 pm
Avast Toony, go ahead, PM and ask! Who knoweth what mysteries lie in the unfathomable depths of Governor Fallacy's mind?!I can ask for the hell of it, but I believe it's a waste of time.
For context:
Quote from: Final Countdown(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
@MOD:
Would a town player survive the Final Countdown going off and killing every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly, be able to survive if they had some form of protection? Would any sort of protection stop a player from dying immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 10:01:53 pm
I think Jack and NQT are making a mockery of this game so Jack NQT.
I'm happy if either die and will laugh at them post-game if they're mafia and proud of even an ounce of themselves.
Will probably do one more big brain post before D5 ends tomorrow if I don't feel terrible.
Post by: notquitethere on November 08, 2022, 10:09:36 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 08, 2022, 10:33:22 pm
I think Jack is clearly scum, and the relationship I sense between you and Jack is that you don't mind (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420818#msg8420818) voting Jack, while Jack has been (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420679#msg8420679) town reading you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421321#msg8421321) this whole game.
Do I think a mafia team of Jack/Vector/Nakeen have Jack and Vector constantly shitting on Nakeen and trying to get them lynched if Nakeen is the Countdown player? No, I don't.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 02:40:03 am
JimBetween TolyK voting for Vector for confusing reasons and notquitethere voting Vector for no given reason despite suspecting EuchreJack, which of them looks worse?Ahoy! But I wanted that scurvy Vector gone from D2, did I not?
Why do you pick Vector on Day 3 over EuchreJack? On Day 2 it looked like you wanted webadict and then EuchreJack and then maybe Vector after that.
Answer me, notquitethere.
Although... the mass mafiakill is unstoppable and irreversible, but how does that work with clones etc.?
All you buccaneers with abilities to prevent dying, PM fallacy and ask how it interacts with the Countdown
Who knows, maybe he balanced the game around a town core surviving the whole ship sinking...
This is a waste of time that you already know the answer to.
Full claim!
Role Name: RED Troubleshooter
(Item, Night) R&D Equipment: You give out Mandatory Equipment to target player, causing the actions used by them this Night to be randomized.
(Night) Spies Everywhere [target]: Your Secret Society contacts bug your target, and learn the full text of any action or actions they used this Night. You also learn the number of Item abilities they possess.
(1-Shot, Night) Mutation Heat Sense [target]: You determine who target player targeted this and one previous night.
(2-shot, Auto) Extra clones: You have two more clones before you die for good
Final Countdown feels like it would fit within this list of abilities. Also the two shot revive is bullshit.
I really don't think it's NQT because my intuition says that the countdown player hasn't been given the ability to slit someone's throat. I can see scum!NQT, but it just seems crazy that Vector would have no kill, but the countdown player would have a kill and a game-ender.
Or maybe it is, I don't know. The fact that there's probably two scum out there and we have to kill a specific one of them is a bit much, really.
This would be a sane assumption about game balance but this is the wrong game to apply it to.
I was almost convinced by this reasoning until I remembered that this game had the Final Countdown in the first place.
I think Jack and NQT are making a mockery of this game so Jack NQT.
Splitting your double vote is a cop out. You want to make it to Day 6 you have to pick one person.
YOU GOTTA GO ALL IN BABY
I can't decide if I want to vote EuchreJack or notquitethere.
notquitethere does not feel like he's approaching Day 5 from the same perspective as ToonyMan, TricMagic, NJW2000, Nakeen, and even TolyK to some extent. It's pretty clear who the countdowner is is at the forefront at their minds but it's hard to say the same for notquitethere. notquitethere spends much more focus trying to sort out N4 actions and identify why he got a third party result on ToonyMan because ?????????????? and much less effort and focus on who is responsible for the Final Countdown.
EuchreJack is scum and is lurking super fucking hard but maybe it's not because he's trying to draw attention to himself and away from his teammate but because he actually is responsible for the Final Countdown and is wisely shutting the hell up lest he run his mouth and give up something about himself. And maybe notquitethere is right about EuchreJack in that claiming to have two revives is an attempt to make him a less viable lynch target.
Fuck it EuchreJack deserves to be lynched more.
Somebody convince me it's notquitethere.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 03:32:37 am
Dragon Highlanders (I was right on the reference)
Because of the There Can Only Be One shared ability, I don't think the Countdowner is among the Dragons so that's at least TricMagic, Jim Groovester, and KnightWing64 out of the way. I don't consider TolyK a true dragon because the role changing is extremely sketchy, but TolyK is more likely a 3rd party than a mafia in my eyes.
>>> Countdowner can't be a Dragon.
What-ifs for non-Dragons and non-NQT/Jack
NJW2000 as Countdowner: only possible if TolyK lied/messed up the inspect, and if NJW2000 has a 5th ability.
TolyK as Countdowner: not so impossible because they break the 4 actions limit. Overall their role and actions seemed built around curing favor with other players, which could fit with a Countdowner trying to buddy up with everyone be they Mafia or Town. Seen from this angle, TolyK as the Countdowner doesn't seem unlikely at all!
ToonyMan as Countdowner: I just realized it now, but ToonyMan can't be the Countdowner at all due to using Cool Shades last day. Unless they had a double day action, which seemed pretty unique to juicebox. I feel dumb for realizing that only now.
NQT and EuchreJack
Jack is Scum. NQT feels less helpful than past days, but their full claim feels pretty solid unless they were playing the long con. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have an ability that can be used independently from their acted persona.
Final thoughts:
Countdowner is among EuchreJack, TolyK, and maybe notquitethere.
TolyK because there is already the Jack wagon, which I will hop on when I wake up and nothing has changed. Maybe people who passed a contract with TolyK will be able to bring some better insight. Who knows.
Post by: TolyK on November 09, 2022, 07:55:22 am
My "actual" role only has 3 abilities, and the replacement roles have 2-3 abilities. Honestly, with players having so many lives, it feels quite underpowered (besides the Fake Devil one). Jack claiming two revives indeed feels like BS vs "force other players to target you". :D
In fact, I think that scum and 3rd party roles might be significantly stronger than Town roles. With townies having buffing roles (Jim giving out deez nuts, for example) or inspecting roles (with caveats... but Vector had an inspection role too?)... ok I don't know.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 08:08:40 am
Okay NQT NQT.
I don't think Jack is Countdowner and he wants to be targeted, that's just how I feel even if you're suppose to play mafia by voting the player you think is most likely scum. I do think NQT is less suspicious than Jack, but I can't play this game the way I want.
I think Jack has an unexplained action failure last night because he's lying. I think town!Jack would be trying harder.
I think NQT is claiming an Omega inspect on me because he's lying. Redirection is the most likely answer if he's being honest, but then it hit Knightwing or TolyK or something? Do I believe mafia would be able to orchestrate that? I can't do it.
@Nakeen:
I think...that's an okay assumption.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 09, 2022, 08:17:39 am
For context:Well, if you're killed immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly, then it resolves instantly, can't be stopped, and you can't come back to life afterwards. So there'd be no protection that works against it.Quote from: Final Countdown(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
@MOD:
Would a town player survive the Final Countdown going off and killing every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly, be able to survive if they had some form of protection? Would any sort of protection stop a player from dying immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly?
The two potential counters I can see would either be some extremely esoteric effect, or a commute type ability - even an unstoppable kill can't affect someone who isn't present in the game space, since they're not even a valid target.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 08:33:03 am
I'm genuinely unsure if NQT wants town to win too. Seems more like he's taking up space in the thread with stuff that obviously won't work or isn't helpful, or trying to push the elim onto Jack.
If EJ isn't scum, he's just very busy town. I don't think he's the countdown player, but I can't be 100% on this because it would be an effective WIFOM.
I could vote NQT today.
Mod: Would you mind doing a votecount?
Post by: notquitethere on November 09, 2022, 08:51:38 am
The Web flip! Arr, if you recall no one knew for sure Web was a mally until he died and the map pieces all it together. Vector was already in me top 2-3, and their connection with Web shunted them firmly into #1 place. Irony upon irony that being right about scum for once should make me look suspicious because town are meant to be bumbling no-nothings, savvy?JimBetween TolyK voting for Vector for confusing reasons and notquitethere voting Vector for no given reason despite suspecting EuchreJack, which of them looks worse?Ahoy! But I wanted that scurvy Vector gone from D2, did I not?
Why do you pick Vector on Day 3 over EuchreJack? On Day 2 it looked like you wanted webadict and then EuchreJack and then maybe Vector after that.
Post by: notquitethere on November 09, 2022, 08:52:03 am
Aye mateys, so I've been a might bit busy, but I'm back in the thread and I want to solve it. I don't know what bloody world Toony thinks scum have two day kills... but he's just in lalala confirmation bias land now. His whole argument seems to rest on the belief that my inspect is faked to make him look bad... arrr, but I haven't even been arguing that in any shape way or form. What a load of bilgewater.
This whole thing is absurd, how in the blue blazes are we meant to know which scum player has a specific ability???????????????
So the only thing it seems to do is make the certain scum walk the plank and hope for the best. And that be EuchreJack
Post by: notquitethere on November 09, 2022, 08:56:39 am
(No offense matey but if you're town then you're wrong about me. But if you're not town, then full offense meant and I hope you get your ears nibbled by eels.)
Post by: notquitethere on November 09, 2022, 08:59:30 am
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 09:26:09 am
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 09:30:43 am
(Arr, now, mind, I have my portion to blame in the proceedings. I shouldn't have got piqued about that sailor NJW, I should have followed through on me kill and used it to do in Web or Vector or one of the lurkers. That were my error.)Eh, we didn't know it would come to this. I'm willing to clear you of the countdown on the basis that mafia don't get three kills.
Could it be TolyK? I don't really feel like it could. The miller thing seemed townie, and the panic when people piled up on them D1 looked real. Vector and EJ didn't love the TolyK wagon but EJ's comments were mid-day and Vector was handed a town-elim on a plate anyway, plus quite possibly was spreading WIFOM pre-flip.
Having another look at Toony's scum endgame play in some other games now. I feel like I keep coming back to Nakeen, but I guess I'd be willing to vote EJ too.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 09:47:21 am
I'm willing to vote EJ or Nakeen.
Even if I'm right about alignments, still a 50/50. But it was always going to come down to that.
I do feel that eliminating scum should give an extra day on the timer or something. Would have felt much more reasonable.
Post by: Mamobo on November 09, 2022, 09:53:36 am
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-> EuchreJack --3-- TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426219#msg8426219), Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426330#msg8426330), notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426382#msg8426382),
-> notquitethere --3-- TolyK* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8425918#msg8425918), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426371#msg8426371), ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426371#msg8426371),
TolyK --1-- Nakéen* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426336#msg8426336),
Jim Groovester --0--
Knightwing64 --0--
Nakéen --0--
NJW2000 --0--
ToonyMan --0--
TricMagic --0--
No One --0--
Not Voting --3-- EuchreJack, Knightwing64, NJW2000,
6 to Hammer. Day ends on November 09, 2022 at 18:00 Central Standard Time (9 hours and 6 minutes remaining.)
NOTE: In the event of a tie, no one dies, which is a severe injustice!
Post by: notquitethere on November 09, 2022, 09:56:21 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 10:04:39 am
I don't think it's Jack and Nakeen because Jack and Vector have both shown a genuine willingness to vote Nakeen in my opinion. I also don't believe Nakeen would delay Jack if they're partners when there's so many dangerous town abilities floating about.
NQT has shown a genuine willingness to vote Jack, as shown recently. I don't believe Jack has shown a genuine suspicion of NQT in this game.
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 10:08:24 am
Arr, as for Nakeen... I know Nakeen targeted EJ. And the scurvy EJ's effect did seem to be delayed until today.. you reckon that is the pair colluding to get confirmed actions?If you're still that focused on the night, then yes, potentially. If scum activate final countdown, then apart from dodging inspects they don't have any pressure at night.
But mainly those are my top two most likely countdown users, right now at least. Given we don't know if there are three scum or two scum and two mally or whatever, I'm not sure how reliable associative judgments would be.
EuchreJack
Would prefer a switch to Nakeen, but I don't imagine I'm going to get it.
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 10:20:04 am
I don't think it's Jack and TolyK because Jack has tried to throw shade on Jim and TolyK for giving me stuff on N1. Jack has shown genuine willingness to vote TolyK in my opinion.You're making the mistake of there being 3 mafia, 1 ally, 10 town, and a conversion effect, on top of a third party. The existence of an SK win condition suggests there is in fact an SK around. Try and throw people off all you like, but that's the gist ToonyMan.
I don't think it's Jack and Nakeen because Jack and Vector have both shown a genuine willingness to vote Nakeen in my opinion. I also don't believe Nakeen would delay Jack if they're partners when there's so many dangerous town abilities floating about.
NQT has shown a genuine willingness to vote Jack, as shown recently. I don't believe Jack has shown a genuine suspicion of NQT in this game.
At the end of the day, Jim/NJW have been investigated as town, and NJW's actions/role was confirmed by Jack earlier. If Jack is town, he wouldn't lie. If Jack is scum, he couldn't lie. Either way, that's been confirmed. Knightwing, Nakeen, and Jack are the only possible mafia here. (Outside of godfather anyway.) Knightwing's unlikely to be mafia, which cuts it down to exactly two. And that's Jack doing his best to survive despite claiming to have self-revival at the last minute, instead of yesterday when the action plan was occuring.
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 10:21:00 am
You both have three letter names...I don't think it's Jack and TolyK because Jack has tried to throw shade on Jim and TolyK for giving me stuff on N1. Jack has shown genuine willingness to vote TolyK in my opinion.You're making the mistake of there being 3 mafia, 1 ally, 10 town, and a conversion effect, on top of a third party. The existence of an SK win condition suggests there is in fact an SK around. Try and throw people off all you like, but that's the gist ToonyMan.
I don't think it's Jack and Nakeen because Jack and Vector have both shown a genuine willingness to vote Nakeen in my opinion. I also don't believe Nakeen would delay Jack if they're partners when there's so many dangerous town abilities floating about.
NQT has shown a genuine willingness to vote Jack, as shown recently. I don't believe Jack has shown a genuine suspicion of NQT in this game.
At the end of the day, Jim/NJW have been investigated as town, and NQT's actions/role was confirmed by Jack earlier. If Jack is town, he wouldn't lie. If Jack is scum, he couldn't lie. Either way, that's been confirmed. Knightwing, Nakeen, and Jack are the only possible mafia here. (Outside of godfather anyway.) Knightwing's unlikely to be mafia, which cuts it down to exactly two. And that's Jack doing his best to survive despite claiming to have self-revival at the last minute, instead of yesterday when the action plan was occuring.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 10:24:04 am
Do you mean Juicebox checking NJW on D1? I don't think Jack ever checked NJW.
Also, if you really believe I'm SK even a SK would have every interest to find the Countdown mafia today.
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 10:26:37 am
Sue me, there names both start with N and are three letters. Flow of thought is like that.You both have three letter names...I don't think it's Jack and TolyK because Jack has tried to throw shade on Jim and TolyK for giving me stuff on N1. Jack has shown genuine willingness to vote TolyK in my opinion.You're making the mistake of there being 3 mafia, 1 ally, 10 town, and a conversion effect, on top of a third party. The existence of an SK win condition suggests there is in fact an SK around. Try and throw people off all you like, but that's the gist ToonyMan.
I don't think it's Jack and Nakeen because Jack and Vector have both shown a genuine willingness to vote Nakeen in my opinion. I also don't believe Nakeen would delay Jack if they're partners when there's so many dangerous town abilities floating about.
NQT has shown a genuine willingness to vote Jack, as shown recently. I don't believe Jack has shown a genuine suspicion of NQT in this game.
At the end of the day, Jim/NJW have been investigated as town, and NQT's actions/role was confirmed by Jack earlier. If Jack is town, he wouldn't lie. If Jack is scum, he couldn't lie. Either way, that's been confirmed. Knightwing, Nakeen, and Jack are the only possible mafia here. (Outside of godfather anyway.) Knightwing's unlikely to be mafia, which cuts it down to exactly two. And that's Jack doing his best to survive despite claiming to have self-revival at the last minute, instead of yesterday when the action plan was occuring.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 10:29:26 am
You really think this setup is something like 2 mafia 2-3 third party when Vector also has a conversion ability? I don't want to believe it.
If there's a SK they have only killed Max at most and I don't care at all until we deal with a more immediate issue. This is why the only SK I could think of would be TolyK triggering us for death or something, but I don't even think they're SK at this point either.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 10:31:45 am
Jack doing his best to survive
HAHA
Post by: TolyK on November 09, 2022, 11:21:04 am
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 01:50:40 pm
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2022, 01:57:30 pm
Can we get a vote tracker for this whole game? We haven't had one in awhile and I can't do it myself right now.Uh, I'll try, I don't have the previous Days set up correctly, let me try.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 01:59:07 pm
It all comes back to Jack in the end.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 02:00:39 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 02:01:48 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 02:04:43 pm
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2022, 02:09:47 pm
Day 1 Vote Tracker
------------------------
EuchreJack voted NJW2000 [#67 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417336#msg8417336)]
Roden voted NJW2000 [#69 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417341#msg8417341)]
juicebox voted Jim Groovester [#70 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417342#msg8417342)]
notquitethere voted ToonyMan [#75 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417384#msg8417384)]
ToonyMan voted Nakéen [#76 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417405#msg8417405)]
webadict voted Roden [#77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417409#msg8417409)]
TricMagic voted TolyK [#105 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417493#msg8417493)]
notquitethere voted TricMagic [#108 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417497#msg8417497)]
Roden voted TricMagic [#150 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417631#msg8417631)]
TricMagic voted juicebox [#157 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417645#msg8417645)]
Maximum Spin voted notquitethere [#166 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417678#msg8417678)]
webadict voted notquitethere [#167 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417681#msg8417681)]
NJW2000 voted TolyK [#174 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417695#msg8417695)]
Roden voted notquitethere [#191 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417752#msg8417752)]
Roden voted Maximum Spin [#193 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417759#msg8417759)]
notquitethere voted TolyK [#203 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417828#msg8417828)]
juicebox unvoted [#204 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417831#msg8417831)]
ToonyMan voted EuchreJack [#210 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417853#msg8417853)]
TricMagic voted ToonyMan [#217 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417880#msg8417880)]
webadict unvoted [#223 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417900#msg8417900)]
TricMagic voted TolyK [#224 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417902#msg8417902)]
webadict voted TolyK [#225 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8417919#msg8417919)]
Maximum Spin voted Roden [#240 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418020#msg8418020)]
Jim Groovester voted TolyK [#246 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418058#msg8418058)]
webadict voted Roden [#249 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418084#msg8418084)]
EuchreJack voted juicebox [#262 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418123#msg8418123)]
EuchreJack voted NJW2000 [#294 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418217#msg8418217)]
Nakéen voted TolyK [#318 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418372#msg8418372)]
TricMagic unvoted [#324 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418382#msg8418382)]
notquitethere voted juicebox [#347 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418437#msg8418437)]
ToonyMan voted NJW2000 [#348 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418442#msg8418442)]
Maximum Spin voted NJW2000 [#350 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418445#msg8418445)]
Jim Groovester unvoted [#364 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418469#msg8418469)]
webadict voted NJW2000 [#368 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418475#msg8418475)]
TricMagic voted juicebox [#392 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418509#msg8418509)]
TricMagic voted NJW2000 [#396 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418523#msg8418523)]
NJW2000 unvoted [#402 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418534#msg8418534)]
juicebox voted NJW2000 [#410 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418548#msg8418548)]
TolyK voted juicebox [#412 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418550#msg8418550)]
Knightwing64 voted TricMagic [#417 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418562#msg8418562)]
ToonyMan unvoted [#423 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418569#msg8418569)]
Maximum Spin voted Jim Groovester [#437 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418586#msg8418586)]
webadict voted Jim Groovester [#438 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418587#msg8418587)]
webadict voted Roden [#460 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418624#msg8418624)]
Vector voted Roden [#478 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418652#msg8418652)]
Maximum Spin voted Roden [#486 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418660#msg8418660)]
Jim Groovester voted juicebox [#488 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418662#msg8418662)]
Nakéen unvoted [#502 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418676#msg8418676)]
juicebox voted Roden [#508 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418685#msg8418685)]
ToonyMan voted juicebox [#509 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418687#msg8418687)]
ToonyMan voted Roden [#538 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418725#msg8418725)]
Jim Groovester voted Roden [#539 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418726#msg8418726)]
notquitethere voted Roden [#540 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8418728#msg8418728)]
Day 2 Vote Tracker
------------------------
Knightwing64 voted ToonyMan [#553 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419763#msg8419763)]
notquitethere voted juicebox [#589 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419904#msg8419904)]
Knightwing64 unvoted [#592 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8419929#msg8419929)]
notquitethere voted Vector [#652 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420042#msg8420042)]
TricMagic voted juicebox [#655 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420045#msg8420045)]
TricMagic unvoted [#656 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420046#msg8420046)]
juicebox voted Nakéen [#668 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420060#msg8420060)]
EuchreJack voted Vector [#681 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420075#msg8420075)]
TricMagic voted webadict [#690 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420094#msg8420094)]
webadict voted Nakéen [#694 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420101#msg8420101)]
Vector voted Nakéen [#695 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420109#msg8420109)]
NJW2000 voted webadict [#721 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420256#msg8420256)]
webadict voted NJW2000 [#735 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420324#msg8420324)]
TricMagic unvoted [#739 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420334#msg8420334)]
ToonyMan voted juicebox [#742 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420349#msg8420349)]
juicebox unvoted [#761 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420399#msg8420399)]
EuchreJack unvoted [#765 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420404#msg8420404)]
ToonyMan voted EuchreJack [#790 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420504#msg8420504)]
TricMagic voted Nakéen [#793 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420511#msg8420511)]
TricMagic voted webadict [#800 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420520#msg8420520)]
Jim Groovester voted EuchreJack [#807 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420530#msg8420530)]
notquitethere voted NJW2000 [#810 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420538#msg8420538)]
notquitethere voted Vector [#819 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420555#msg8420555)]
TricMagic voted EuchreJack [#820 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420557#msg8420557)]
TricMagic voted TolyK [#823 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420564#msg8420564)]
notquitethere voted Vector [#827 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420590#msg8420590)]
EuchreJack voted TolyK [#846 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420644#msg8420644)]
notquitethere voted EuchreJack [#848 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420649#msg8420649)]
TricMagic voted EuchreJack [#850 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420653#msg8420653)]
webadict voted TolyK [#852 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420661#msg8420661)]
TricMagic voted webadict [#862 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420688#msg8420688)]
Jim Groovester voted webadict [#869 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420696#msg8420696)]
notquitethere unvoted [#875 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420703#msg8420703)]
Knightwing64 voted webadict [#883 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420714#msg8420714)]
Nakéen voted webadict [#911 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420787#msg8420787)]
webadict voted webadict [#912 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420788#msg8420788)]
notquitethere voted EuchreJack [#919 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420818#msg8420818)]
NJW2000 unvoted [#921 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420824#msg8420824)]
TricMagic unvoted [#923 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420833#msg8420833)]
TricMagic voted Vector [#937 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420886#msg8420886)]
EuchreJack voted ToonyMan [#941 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420901#msg8420901)]
Jim Groovester voted EuchreJack [#946 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420909#msg8420909)]
TricMagic voted notquitethere [#947 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420910#msg8420910)]
TricMagic voted EuchreJack [#952 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420918#msg8420918)]
TricMagic unvoted [#957 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420926#msg8420926)]
Vector voted webadict [#960 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420929#msg8420929)]
NJW2000 voted notquitethere [#961 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420931#msg8420931)]
EuchreJack voted webadict [#963 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420934#msg8420934)]
notquitethere voted NJW2000 [#964 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420937#msg8420937)]
TricMagic voted NJW2000 [#978 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420965#msg8420965)]
EuchreJack voted TolyK [#979 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420971#msg8420971)]
juicebox voted webadict [#984 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420978#msg8420978)]
notquitethere voted Vector [#991 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420995#msg8420995)]
TolyK voted Vector [#992 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8420996#msg8420996)]
TricMagic voted TolyK [#995 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421000#msg8421000)]
TricMagic voted webadict [#1003 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421019#msg8421019)]
juicebox unvoted [#1014 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421033#msg8421033)]
Knightwing64 voted webadict [#1033 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421206#msg8421206)]
Knightwing64 unvoted [#1035 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421213#msg8421213)]
TricMagic voted Vector [#1048 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421314#msg8421314)]
notquitethere voted webadict [#1052 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421324#msg8421324)]
TricMagic voted webadict [#1059 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421352#msg8421352)]
Jim Groovester voted webadict [#1079 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421422#msg8421422)]
Day 3 Vote Tracker
------------------------
Vector voted Nakéen [#1090 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421936#msg8421936)]
TolyK voted Vector [#1114 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8421987#msg8421987)]
notquitethere voted Vector [#1115 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422000#msg8422000)]
TricMagic voted Vector [#1148 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422135#msg8422135)]
TolyK unvoted [#1157 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422167#msg8422167)]
EuchreJack voted Jim Groovester [#1165 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422189#msg8422189)]
Jim Groovester voted EuchreJack [#1166 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422191#msg8422191)]
ToonyMan voted EuchreJack [#1167 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422192#msg8422192)]
EuchreJack voted Nakéen [#1170 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422202#msg8422202)]
Nakéen voted EuchreJack [#1172 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422215#msg8422215)]
juicebox voted Nakéen [#1175 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422228#msg8422228)]
EuchreJack voted Vector [#1176 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422249#msg8422249)]
TricMagic voted EuchreJack [#1177 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422251#msg8422251)]
TolyK voted Vector [#1194 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422360#msg8422360)]
TricMagic voted ToonyMan [#1204 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422390#msg8422390)]
NJW2000 voted Vector [#1205 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422391#msg8422391)]
NJW2000 voted Vector [#1223 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422478#msg8422478)]
Jim Groovester voted Vector [#1245 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8422577#msg8422577)]
Day 4 Vote Tracker
------------------------
Jim Groovester voted juicebox [#1314 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423758#msg8423758)]
EuchreJack voted ToonyMan [#1329 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423869#msg8423869)]
NJW2000 voted juicebox [#1330 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423873#msg8423873)]
notquitethere voted juicebox [#1334 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423880#msg8423880)]
ToonyMan voted notquitethere [#1359 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423990#msg8423990)]
Nakéen voted juicebox [#1362 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8423996#msg8423996)]
TricMagic voted juicebox [#1365 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8424005#msg8424005)]
Day 5 Vote Tracker
------------------------
TolyK voted notquitethere [#1457 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8425918#msg8425918)]
TricMagic voted EuchreJack [#1526 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426219#msg8426219)]
ToonyMan voted notquitethere [#1542 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426256#msg8426256)]
Jim Groovester voted EuchreJack [#1545 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426330#msg8426330)]
Nakéen voted TolyK [#1546 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426336#msg8426336)]
ToonyMan voted notquitethere [#1548 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426371#msg8426371)]
notquitethere voted EuchreJack [#1552 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426382#msg8426382)]
NJW2000 voted EuchreJack [#1561 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426413#msg8426413)]
Nakéen voted EuchreJack [#1571 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180394.msg8426472#msg8426472)]
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 02:22:05 pm
EuchreJackThat puts Jack at L-1.
It all comes back to Jack in the end.
Does he self hammer?
I would prefer he's not at L-1 so we don't just instant lose.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 02:26:23 pm
I miscounted, I still thought Jack was at 3 votes.
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 02:33:56 pm
Have had suspicions about him for a while.
Looking at day 1. He has 3 votes. One is RVS, one is to pressure juice, and then switches back to his RVS and sits on that.
Not that much better day two. Also this. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?action=post;quote=8420901;topic=180394.930;last_msg=8426488) It showcases a survival ideology. And Day 3 can just be seen as leading the bus due to a busy vector who wants to die, and this thing.
Well, Vector ain't me, so whatever.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 02:44:24 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 02:55:44 pm
Jim and NJW - 0%
Tric, Nakeen, TolyK - 5%
Knightwing - 10%
Jack - 20%
NQT - 55%
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 03:04:34 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 03:11:47 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 03:57:36 pm
I think he's town, this doesn't look like his scum endgame. In those, you can kind of tell from the tone he's sure of what he wants, but not really here.
Ugh. I don't know, NQT doesn't seem too likely given the other countdown thing, but ech, can't really go on anything in these games. I feel like however well or badly I played today, WIFOM considerations meant I never had more than a 50/50 chance. Three hours to go, no real consensus or strategy, don't really think there can be.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 04:36:54 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 04:37:09 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 04:37:25 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 04:39:44 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 04:40:22 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 04:50:36 pm
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2022, 04:50:47 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 04:53:35 pm
I think that is hammer, so shush time
You've heard of dragon, but have you heard of suggon?
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 04:55:05 pm
I think that is hammer, so shush timeOh shut up nobody cares.
well, it was unlikely to go in our favour anyhow. gg I guessI should have believed your read of Nakeen more. I think I've been discrediting your town play a lot recently.
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 04:56:18 pm
You know I'm just going to change my vote to Nakeen if by some miracle there was another hammer fuck up.Nakeen
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 04:57:10 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 04:58:43 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 09, 2022, 05:00:47 pm
Feel free to complain, I rushed this game’s design instead of taking the extra time that was truly needed to scale things properly, resulting in horrendous balance, inequality, and unfun chaos. Your feelings of unfairness are justified and valid and that’s completely on me. I will try to learn from all your complaints and completely reasonable criticism.
Still better than FBYOR 2 (had a player that was both town and mafia), 3 (jumped the shark) and 4 (never actually ended).
Full credit and praise to Nakéen for excellent play, NQT for amazing post restriction roleplay, and NJW for actually figuring out who the Countdown user was.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:02:50 pm
Nakéen played quite well. Vector played well also. I basically flailed to the finish line.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 05:04:08 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:04:49 pm
An SK that wasn't TolyK or Knightwing??
...It was probably Jim
Post by: Lenglon on November 09, 2022, 05:05:03 pm
It was not.An SK that wasn't TolyK or Knightwing??
...It was probably Jim
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:05:18 pm
My congratulations to everyone, and especially NJW2000 and TricMagic! Tric was rightfully on mark about me, and I had expected that as we had already played other games together before. Excellent deduction on NJW2000 for figuring out my overall plan with the delays.
You will find it in the scum chat, but I was also quite uneasy about using the Countdown due to the issues raised by everyone. But well, it was too tempting not to use.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:06:40 pm
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:07:51 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on November 09, 2022, 05:09:55 pm
of
dreams
when
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:10:40 pm
Honestly, just put the next game up, please.
Ah shit, that is me. Ok, should be up tonight.
But...@Fallacy: Gate of Dreams when. :P
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 05:11:09 pm
Was Knightwing the SK
WAS KNIGHTWING ACTUALLY SK
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 05:11:23 pm
It was not.An SK that wasn't TolyK or Knightwing??
...It was probably Jim
Wait(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b5f58929-9897-4105-b513-0749d8fe42da/d5uup0u-0d92731e-1e09-4572-9c7a-ede27a79f91b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2I1ZjU4OTI5LTk4OTctNDEwNS1iNTEzLTA3NDlkOGZlNDJkYVwvZDV1dXAwdS0wZDkyNzMxZS0xZTA5LTQ1NzItOWM3YS1lZGUyN2E3OWY5MWIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.2pEZD4FkJAgG6CSUVpEq9zbldxQ6fvRH3z7dcbTGsaI)
Was Knightwing the SK
WAS KNIGHTWING ACTUALLY SK
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:12:12 pm
Wow, really Tric?(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b5f58929-9897-4105-b513-0749d8fe42da/d5uup0u-0d92731e-1e09-4572-9c7a-ede27a79f91b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2I1ZjU4OTI5LTk4OTctNDEwNS1iNTEzLTA3NDlkOGZlNDJkYVwvZDV1dXAwdS0wZDkyNzMxZS0xZTA5LTQ1NzItOWM3YS1lZGUyN2E3OWY5MWIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.2pEZD4FkJAgG6CSUVpEq9zbldxQ6fvRH3z7dcbTGsaI)It was not.An SK that wasn't TolyK or Knightwing??
...It was probably Jim
Good job buddy!
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 05:12:50 pm
It was not.An SK that wasn't TolyK or Knightwing??
...It was probably JimWait
Was Knightwing the SK
WAS KNIGHTWING ACTUALLY SKSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Did you win if you eliminated all the other dragons?
Post by: Fluffe9911 on November 09, 2022, 05:13:17 pm
Anyway Gate of Dreams when?
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:14:30 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 05:15:21 pm
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Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:17:03 pm
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Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 05:17:42 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 05:21:35 pm
This is about as good as town!Toony does with only one wrong mafia read, oh well.
GG Nakeen
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:24:04 pm
... Wait. Fallacy, you never actually clarified? That superkill is still a kill, so would it trigger my scales flames given Nakeen was also On Fire?
Mafia wins in the split second where the superkill has killed you and your flames have not yet killed Nakéen.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:25:02 pm
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:25:33 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:26:47 pm
Jack lives anyway!Nah, I got executed before Final Countdown hit. But Ghost Vector still gets to gloat over the corpses.
My ACTUAL Role:
EuchreJack:
You carefully pen your thousand page essay on the nature and personality and meaning of a little-known character in your favorite historic epic work - light reading for a few hours, for a dragon such as you.
The Most Elder just blinks at you slowly.
It seems that you will be putting that tactician's skills to the test as a member of the Mafia.
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Zhang Fei (mafia):
(Free, 2-Shot, Night) Diversionary Tactics: You may take an additional action this Night. Additionally, that additional action cannot be seen visiting its target or targets.
(Item, Night) Maddening Alcohol [target]: You share intoxicating wine with your target, causing the actions used by them this Night to be randomized. Your anger boils after you drink, and you may only use lethal abilities the next Night - but any lethal abilities you use cannot be roleblocked or Disabled that Night.
(Night) Scouting Party [target]: You scout out your target, and learn the full text of any action or actions they used this Night. You also learn the number of Item abilities they possess.
(1-Shot, Auto) Body Double: You possess a double made of straw which will let you survive one kill used upon you during the Night only.
(1-Shot, Night, Mafiakill) Victory Through Outmaneuvering [target]: You use your honed, devious tactical mind to kill your target and bypass any protect abilities used on them this Night. This also allows you to bypass kill immunity. If you successfully kill them, you then steal all their Items before they roleflip.
You carefully activate the whisperstone given to you by the Most Elder, and your soul slips into the scumchat, as it is called.
EDIT: As you can imagine, the Kills were based upon a Crossbow being fired. This gave away that my role was doing the Kill, so I was never able to truthfully claim.
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 09, 2022, 05:34:58 pm
... Wait. Fallacy, you never actually clarified? That superkill is still a kill, so would it trigger my scales flames given Nakeen was also On Fire?Uh… let me get back to you on that. You may be right. Uh oh.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 05:35:42 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on November 09, 2022, 05:41:27 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 05:46:13 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 09, 2022, 05:49:39 pm
Post by: Lenglon on November 09, 2022, 05:49:46 pm
Post by: NJW2000 on November 09, 2022, 05:55:54 pm
There's nothing about Final Countdown bypassing or preventing blocks, it's just "unstoppable", so potentially only overrides the bit of Scales about stopping the kill and leaves the rest. Obviously a matter of GM's discretion that should be decided based on how the roles were intended to work.Ooor by coinflip. Either's good.
Man... I wouldn't have realised Tric was SK, though I guess that if we got Nakeen and the game didn't end, we'd have eventually started killing dragons.
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 06:06:55 pm
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b5f58929-9897-4105-b513-0749d8fe42da/d5uup0u-0d92731e-1e09-4572-9c7a-ede27a79f91b.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2I1ZjU4OTI5LTk4OTctNDEwNS1iNTEzLTA3NDlkOGZlNDJkYVwvZDV1dXAwdS0wZDkyNzMxZS0xZTA5LTQ1NzItOWM3YS1lZGUyN2E3OWY5MWIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.2pEZD4FkJAgG6CSUVpEq9zbldxQ6fvRH3z7dcbTGsaI)... Wait. Fallacy, you never actually clarified? That superkill is still a kill, so would it trigger my scales flames given Nakeen was also On Fire?Uh… let me get back to you on that. You may be right. Uh oh.
So yes, setting Nakeen on fire did help my victory. A dragon does not just lie down to die. (If it does work out like that)
Also Knightwing wins too thanks to their dubious Morality.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 06:07:31 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 06:21:23 pm
Scumchat: https://discord.gg/5fpNb8Zn
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 09, 2022, 06:36:10 pm
Man... I wouldn't have realised Tric was SK, though I guess that if we got Nakeen and the game didn't end, we'd have eventually started killing dragons.More accurately, everyone left alive would immediately vote to execute me and put an end to the game.
Okay, let's dig into the legality of this.
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(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
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(1-Shot, Auto) Dragon’s Scales: Your scales resist harm. When someone would kill you, you survive it, and the player who attempted to kill you is set On Fire. If they are already On Fire, you kill them instead.
Tric actually has two shots of Dragon's Scales thanks to juicebox, but that's not relevant.
My records indicate that Nakéen is On Fire. Final Countdown kills unstoppably, so Tric does die, regardless of having multiple layers of scales. However, Dragon's Scales 'set-on-fire' effect is not stated to be conditional on surviving the kill. So 'you survive it' is voided, but 'the player who attempted to kill you is set On Fire' is not voided. Which leads us to 'If they are already On Fire, you kill them instead.' My intent when writing this was that instead of igniting the player, they would be killed, though as with many abilities in this game, it could do with more clear writing.
End result: EuchreJack is executed. Final Countdown resolves. All non-mafia players are killed, and then Tric's ability kills Nakéen.
Nah, Nakéen was alive for 0.2 seconds longer than everyone else, so Mafia wins. Sorry folks.This is, actually and unfortunately for the Mafia, wrong. Nakéen was in fact alive after everyone's death, at least before Tric's ability resolves. However, it is stated in the rules OP in multiple places that the Mafia's victory is conditional on there being no ways to interrupt the fact that they outnumber the other players.
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The Mafia win once the number of uneliminated Mafia equal or surpass the number of remaining uneliminated non-Mafia players, so long as there is no way to interrupt that condition and at least one Mafia player is still alive.Nakéen outnumbers everyone else for a brief moment, but Tric's ability is about to kill them. So I can't rule this as a Mafia victory.
If Tric was Town, nobody would win. However, he is a Serial Killer.
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The Serial Killer wins when every player that is not themselves has been eliminated. If every player including themselves is dead, they also win.
Every single player is now dead. Thus, TricMagic wins.
Oh, and Knightwing too, due to Uncertain Morality.
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(Auto) Uncertain Morality: Your morality is… flexible. Your alignment is treated as Serial Killer for the purposes of investigative abilities. Additionally, if a Serial Killer aligned player wins the game, you are treated as if you possess the Serial Killer-Ally win condition.
For future reference, cutting out part of your ability text and posting the rest of it in the thread is still a violation of the no direct quotes rule.
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2022, 06:38:42 pm
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(Reference) (1-Shot, Auto) Dragon’s Scales: Your scales resist harm. When someone would kill you, you survive it, and the player who attempted to kill you is set On Fire. If they are already On Fire, you kill them instead.
The conditional phrase appears to only activate if you would survive:
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(1-Shot, Day, Mafiakill) Final Countdown: The end is nigh. This action can only be used on Day 4. When you use this ability, its full text is publicly revealed in the thread. The Mafiakill can no longer be used. If you are still alive at the end of Day 5, after the execution, kill every living non-mafia player in the game immediately, unstoppably, and irreversibly.
Debatable on this, but the immediately parts implies that this Action happens without any other Action happening. The unstoppably part also applies here, so you cannot survive it.
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When someone would kill youWould kill you implies that this happens as a reaction to this Action. I think immediately would not have that chance, but acting at the same time might be possible.
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...you survive it, and the player who attempted to kill you is set On Fire. If they are already On Fire, you kill them instead.
Part of the issue with this phrasing is that it implies that you must survive it to set a player On Fire. Since the following phrase is an addendum to that conditional, this seems to imply that Nakeen would probably not be killed by this Ability.
Now, that's entirely debatable, so whatever. Personally, I think you'd have to accept that this is a Mafia win, if only for the fact that a Mafiakill Ability that kills every other Player causing the Mafia Player who used it to die kinda makes no sense from a game design philosophy, but this whole fucking game doesn't follow any reasonable interpretation, so it's entirely within the realm of possibilities that TricMagic wins, regardless. That could be considered a weakness to the Action, since having more teammates makes this a viable action.
Personally, I feel like Max was right, and that he and Roden are the true winners.
This game was a pain simulator.
Ninjad.
Post by: hector13 on November 09, 2022, 06:40:56 pm
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2022, 06:42:36 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 09, 2022, 06:44:20 pm
Oh, and Max shouldn't have died. That mess-up was when I started making interaction spreadsheet-like tables for Night results, which saved me a lot of time and trouble.
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2022, 06:45:02 pm
A 9 player lylo shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Jack being obviously scum isn't impressive
Tric not doing anything SK to hide the fact he is SK isn't impressive
I'm just gonna high five Jim and call it a day. I think this is the first game we actually played power town together since Webadict wasn't able to fill this role.
Sorry NQT.
EDIT:
Oh, and Max shouldn't have died.Great
Post by: hector13 on November 09, 2022, 06:45:30 pm
Post by: Roden on November 09, 2022, 06:47:30 pm
The course of history drastically changes if Tric actually got voted out Day 1 though. I'm not sure what mask I would get from him but I think this might've turned into a mafia win regardless. Unless his mask made me a SK, maybe.
Post by: TolyK on November 09, 2022, 06:49:58 pm
Well GG Nakeen in any case.
Post by: TolyK on November 09, 2022, 06:51:56 pm
TolyK:
You don't technically exist. The Most Elder sees you anyways, nods, and offers you a selection of homunculi to choose from. It seems you'll be joining in as a Town dragon.Quote“Hey Fallacy, Could You Give Me A Role That Technically Isn’t In The Game, But Where I Can Pretend I’m Playing?” (town):
(Auto) Sure Thing: This role is not in the game space. In spite of its nonexistence, you still possess access to its abilities. Since otherwise this role would not flip upon your death, this ability outputs the total text of this role after your death-triggered roleflip.
(Setup) Well, Technically No: Since this is an FBYOR, you need an in-game role! Before the start of the game, choose one role from the list below. At the start of the game, that role is created and granted to you.
(1-Shot, Day) Do-Over, Please: Since this role ought to do something, this ability erases your current in-game role and replaces it with a different role of your choice from Well, Technically No’s list. You keep any Item abilities you possessed, though.Quote from: Well, Technically NoQuoteImaginary Dragon (town):
(Auto) Big Scary Dragon: Since you’re so big and obvious, when you gain this ability or it ceases to be Disabled, it is publicly announced that you possess a Dragon role.
(Night) Cloud Breath [target]: You breathe thick imaginary clouds all over your target! This Disables any actions they used this Night until the end of the next Night, after those actions resolve. The occluding clouds also protect them from kills.
(Auto) There Can Only Be One: Dragons grow stronger if they are unopposed. If you are the only living player with a Dragon role, Cloud Breath performs its Disable before the target’s actions resolve, instead of after.QuoteImaginary Devil (town):
(Auto) The Bad Guy: You alignment inspect as though you were a Mafia player, because you’re clearly a villain.
(3-Shot, Night) Dealmaker [target]: You whisper in your target’s ear. Choose either Devil’s Wisdom or Devil’s Grace. Your target may choose to accept or refuse, and they are informed of the consequences of acceptance. This does not expose your identity. If they choose to accept, they must choose a non-Item action ability they possess, which is given to you - but transformed into a 1-Shot. They then gain the Devil’s auto-ability you chose. Players cannot gain a Devil’s ability that they already possess.Quote(Reference) (Auto) Devil’s Wisdom: You possess unearthly wisdom. Your investigative actions always return accurate results, bypassing obfuscation abilities, but investigative actions used directly on you always fail.
(Reference) (1-Shot, Auto) Devil’s Grace: You possess unearthly grace. When you would be killed, you survive the kill. When you would fail to kill due to kill immunity or a protection, you instead pierce it.QuoteImaginary Duelist (town):
(Auto) Widespread Myth: Due to your prolific violence, you must take action every Night, and cannot target the same player with any action you possess two Nights in a row.
(Night) Challenge [target]: You challenge your target to a duel! You force them to target you with any single-target abilities they use this Night. If they would kill you, you kill them first - though they still kill you if they survive that.
Please make the decision of which role to materialize, as per your (Setup) ability, before your first post.
Post by: TolyK on November 09, 2022, 06:54:01 pm
But hey, I was mostly right on the mechanics bits!
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2022, 06:55:07 pm
I would disagree with you on the semantics of Tric’s ability; “and” is used to join to separate sentences together so its presence doesn’t mean that Tric has to survive in order for it to trigger an On Fire, but I think I made clear my feelings on Final Countdown heh.Oh no, I'm not saying Final Countdown was a good Ability, nor that the Mafia deserved to win. But the Mafia got fucked in every conceivable way by their Roles. Final Countdown existing is, somehow, the most balanced aspect to the game, because their Roles are, inherently, not powerful in the slightest.
Technically, you are right about the and, though. It should not have a comma to designate following, but it does appear to be that way. Thus, interpreting it as two conjoined conditionals:
"When someone would kill you, you survive it."
"When someone would kill you, the player who attempted to kill you is set On Fire."
is not an incorrect interpretation.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 07:01:28 pm
Oh, and Max shouldn't have died.
You have to be fucking kidding me. The mafia should have killed successfully exactly zero times but still would've won because of Final Countdown were it not for a silly technicality.
What a very memorable trainwreck of a game.
Post by: Vector on November 09, 2022, 07:02:47 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 09, 2022, 07:05:03 pm
You have to be fucking kidding me. The mafia should have killed successfully exactly zero times but still would've won because of Final Countdown were it not for a silly technicality.No, gimme a little more credit, I would've pushed Nakéen out if I were still alive. :P
What a very memorable trainwreck of a game.
Post by: Nakéen on November 09, 2022, 07:06:15 pm
You have to be fucking kidding me. The mafia should have killed successfully exactly zero times but still would've won because of Final Countdown were it not for a silly technicality.No, gimme a little more credit, I would've pushed Nakéen out if I were still alive. :P
What a very memorable trainwreck of a game.
I agree! It was good for me that Spin died early.
Post by: TolyK on November 09, 2022, 07:25:26 pm
Post by: TricMagic on November 09, 2022, 07:54:28 pm
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My records indicate that Nakéen is On Fire. Final Countdown kills unstoppably, so Tric does die, regardless of having multiple layers of scales. However, Dragon's Scales 'set-on-fire' effect is not stated to be conditional on surviving the kill. So 'you survive it' is voided, but 'the player who attempted to kill you is set On Fire' is not voided. Which leads us to 'If they are already On Fire, you kill them instead.' My intent when writing this was that instead of igniting the player, they would be killed, though as with many abilities in this game, it could do with more clear writing.I am now imagining I'm waring a dragonscale coat made out of dragonscales. (Shed of course. I'm no killer.)
End result: EuchreJack is executed. Final Countdown resolves. All non-mafia players are killed, and then Tric's ability kills Nakéen.
I am now Dragon, your vic
On an SK not killing, I would need to make a concentrated effort to do so. Which would out me pretty quick in such a large game. Instead I focused on hunting down mafia. (And hinting at third parties occasionally, as you do.)
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2022, 08:10:33 pm
I am now Dragon
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 09, 2022, 08:17:06 pm
FUCKKKKKKKKKKkKk
I swear, NQT was on me the whole game even though everything pointed to me not being mafia.
The crazy part is, I suspected Tric because he wasn’t acting obviously scummy like he does while town, but I didn’t want to throw a accusation around with no solid proof.
Nakeen?
Huh.
It’s always the quite ones.
I was busy for most of the time the game was going on, so it sucks that I didn’t partipate as much as I could have but…
It was fun.
Final Countdown was bullshit though. It actively discourages the mafia from killing and just makes it a game of stalling till day 4 or 5 or whatever.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 09, 2022, 09:48:56 pm
More importantly, Toony & Jim LOST because they're losers.
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ indeed.
Post by: notquitethere on November 10, 2022, 02:49:24 am
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 10, 2022, 06:45:56 am
Congratulations Knightwing64! Your excellent play contributed to your win with Tric.
More importantly, Toony & Jim LOST because they're losers.
DRAGON DEEZ NUTZ indeed.
:)
Good going Tric
Post by: EuchreJack on November 10, 2022, 12:14:12 pm
I was right about Vector and EJ and my gut read that Vector was distancing from Nakeen was absolutely correct (the reason I followed Nakeen)! I should have followed that up further. So, if it weren't for mafia having an I Win button, I think town would have gotten there.Oh, and I also Randomized YOUR results. I only claimed the Jim Randomizing.
So you almost certainly scanned Tric instead of Toonyman, which I only know now that the game is over. I wasn't told whom was the new target. But I knew your results on Toony were probably wrong.
Post by: TricMagic on November 10, 2022, 12:22:31 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 10, 2022, 12:23:59 pm
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Also, I can see that both me and Toony were right about KW: I was right that he was scum, and Toony was right that he wasn't on the same team as Vector. Makes sense that there'd be an SK given that they're explicitly named in one of the player's role abilities.
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 10, 2022, 12:49:28 pm
No.
I was town
I just had a passive that let me win if a SK won
U were in me for no reason
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 10, 2022, 12:49:50 pm
NO I MEANT ON ME
NOT…
S
Gt evegretgbbrtbrg
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2022, 01:35:40 pm
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2022, 02:21:47 pm
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Post by: webadict on November 10, 2022, 02:27:06 pm
Post by: Egan_BW on November 10, 2022, 02:28:36 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2022, 03:22:39 pm
American Draaagon (https://youtu.be/8o3JrdPMNdQ)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Outstanding.
Post by: Nakéen on November 10, 2022, 03:23:41 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 10, 2022, 03:39:30 pm
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 10, 2022, 06:28:02 pm
Quote from: Voting Board, Now Alphabetized
EuchreJack (6): TricMagic, Jim Groovester, notquitethere, NJW2000, Nakéen, EuchreJack
Jim Groovester (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Nakéen (0):
NJW2000 (0):
notquitethere (3): TolyK, ToonyMan, ToonyMan
TolyK (0):
ToonyMan (0):
TricMagic (0):
No Execution (0):
Not Voting (2): Knightwing64, Knightwing64
6 to hammer.
In the end there is much uncertainty as to who is channeling the foul ritual of the Final Countdown. It's clear enough that there is no disagreement as to whether or not EuchreJack is a traitor, but while it is still being debated whether he is the ritualist, Nakéen reveals their true colors and helps EuchreJack sacrifice himself.
Much like with Vector, there's a strong hint of smugness on his avatar's face as it is obliterated by a bolt of deadly energy.
You all know what comes next.
EuchreJack's alignment was Mafia.
Nakéen's foul ritual completes, and a howling, dark wind washes over you all. Layers of protection are stripped bare, devil's warding rendered useless, protective nuts out of reach. Nobody survives but Nakéen, who watches your avatars all perish with a grim grin.
In the end, only bones remain, most of them crumbling to ash.
TricMagic, however, seems to be holding out far better than the rest of you. His avatar is dead, but death has stripped the disguise the game grants you all, and his bones refuse to yield. The flaming, skeletal dragon approaches Nakéen, and no matter how much impossibly strong dark energy they bring to bear, the avatar of flame and bone persists.
It is nearly disintegrated when it leans down and bites the head off Nakéen's avatar.
In the end no player remains alive, but that does not prevent TricMagic from smugly claiming the victory within the lounge of the fallen, which now includes all of you.
Knightwing64 points out that he was assigned enough flexibility to align himself with TricMagic at the very last moment, which is dutifully accepted by the Most Elder.
Game over. TricMagic (Serial Killer) and Knightwing64 (treated as Serial Killer Ally due to Uncertain Morality) win! All other players lose.
Scumchat (https://discord.gg/8GYmXkXc4f) here.
Deadchat (https://discord.gg/N6veewAqsg) here.
I kinda hate how this game went, but that's on me, and you all played it out amazingly despite my design faults. I'll post the roles and actions as far as I have them recorded eventually. I'll also post what your roles should have been, if they were flawed.
Post by: Nakéen on November 10, 2022, 07:00:09 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on November 10, 2022, 08:29:25 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 10, 2022, 09:05:06 pm
Nice job Tric, I love winning
Post by: NJW2000 on November 10, 2022, 09:24:33 pm
While there were not-great aspects, I'm pretty happy with the ending, Tric and especially KW deserved that win for hiding their SK status (scum did not deserve anything like a win, arguably performing the worst of the three alignments). Great showing from KW especially, I think this marks a pretty major development in their play.
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2022, 09:26:33 pm
The only thing I could actually do is die so that the Mafia could live one more Day. It did not feel like a fun game for me.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 10, 2022, 09:43:34 pm
Granted, I personally played awfully on the first couple of days. Not sure how I should have played Day 2 differently. But my teammates played well to the roles they were given.
Post by: Vector on November 10, 2022, 11:26:41 pm
Town made a choice to let Roden be wagoned D1, and also a choice to let my chainsawing Juicebawks and staging a fight with Nakéen influence your decision-making. You can say whatever you want but within the constraints of not being able to predict our own moves, a ton of inspects and an SK flying around, we weren't all that ineffectual within the context of what we had to work with. There were multiple double-voters and none of them were on our team.
Honi soit qui mal y pense :I
(all praise memelord Toon)
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2022, 11:27:38 pm
In defense of the scumteam, our actions were sort of dictated by the roles that we got.
Granted, I personally played awfully on the first couple of days. Not sure how I should have played Day 2 differently. But my teammates played well to the roles they were given.
You know, the scum team may not have deserved to win, but aside from the WIN BOTAN our power roles were kind of ass due to redirects and randomizes making it so that nothing we did whatsoever would have a predictable result. We got specifically fucked multiple times due to nights being processed incorrectly.Absolutely. I 100% agree that you guys played to your outs, considering that half the Town had confirmable Actions, and the other half had Action disruption. There wasn't really anything to do here other than that.
Town made a choice to let Roden be wagoned D1, and also a choice to let my chainsawing Juicebawks and staging a fight with Nakéen influence your decision-making. You can say whatever you want but within the constraints of not being able to predict our own moves, a ton of inspects and an SK flying around, we weren't all that ineffectual within the context of what we had to work with. There were multiple double-voters and none of them were on our team.
Honi soit qui mal y pense :I
(all praise memelord Toon)
It's not like you guys wanted to go for a Kill-less game. I tried to kill someone. You guys tried to kill someone. I'm not entirely sure why every Kill Action had to be convoluted. Why did my Kill Action have to involve using both of my Actions, AND NEED TO HAVE A SOAKED TARGET? Why did NQT's Kill have to involve counting down from 20?
I'm really confused. I'm really mad. I'm really frustrated. Those are my feelings. This is not to disparage you, Fallacy, and I thank you for running the game. I'm really just explaining exactly how I felt playing the game. Those aren't really constructive criticism, though, so I'll try to explain what made me feel all of those.
The first is that the game kept... going... slowly. Days did not have exact ending times, which meant that the Days weren't 72 hours; they were more like 3.5-4 days. Nights had the same issue. Nights weren't 24 hours but usually 48. This is really just a time issue, but it's one that severely affected the game's pacing. I think if you were to run this game again, you need to give the Day a hard ending time of 72 hours. Once that time is hit, no more discussion. End of story. End of Day. If you have to, give a quick "X is voted out, here's their role" and then add flavor later. It'll let people do Night Actions faster, and Nights should be shorter, too. I know you're busy, but if you put a time, I'd rather be told "Night will end in 48 hours" than "Night will end in 24 hours" followed by "Processing actions" 12 hours later followed by 12 hours later the Day starting. I feel like morale gets crushed when you extend Days and Nights, and I would rather get stomped fast by an active Town than win slowly because the Town gave up. Having hard end times is pro-Town (except Day ends, which is pro-scum, because they can vote shift at Day end, but it loops back to pro-Town because otherwise, scum are incentivized to do nothing at Day end and not engage.)
Second, ties should be decided by the Mafia. Shortens games, and makes the Town come to decisions better. This is also beneficial to scum, because vote-shifting is a legitimate strategy for scum to employ.
Third, I am unsure what my role was intended to do. Was Soaked meant to do more? Was On Fire meant to do more? My Protection felt so painful to use, because it's a double-Protect, which means I need to use it on scum or it potentially makes their Mafiakill useless (I can't really turn it off, now can I?) My Inspection Immunity felt bad because I have to outguess who's going to get Inspected, and it's not like I'm going to be able to make that Action do something useful, or sound like a Townie Ability. It has pretty niche uses, but why couldn't I... I dunno... steal their Inspection results? Why was my Kill being tied to two Actions and required the target to not be targeted in a game where everyone has Abilities with a really weird roleblock mechanic? Soaked felt like a way for me to have multiple ways for my Kill to fail, instead of giving me more ways to potentially succeed. What Abilities would I need to drain a random usage from, and why couldn't I learn what the Ability I drained was? I felt like being given a randomization tool was horrible, when I had no idea where the Action would end up targeting. Did everything truly need to be 1-Shot?
Overall, it felt like I was given a Swiss Eevee Knife in a game where everyone gets Vorpal Blades, and when I unfolded the tools, they were all rusted sporks, so I tried to give myself Tetanus so the Mafia wouldn't kill me. I could only use my own brains to find the Mafia and help them as best as I could, and I eventually settled on the Mafia being EuchreJack, Vector, and NQT, so I tried to vote myself out so that I could get out of their way and hope they could kill someone now that my Abilities were pointless. I mean, had I not been voted out, I would've randomized Nakeen.
I dunno. I'm just unsure of what my role was intended to do. I had to find the Mafia myself, learn what their Abilities were myself, use my Abilities to help them with that information, cover for the Mafia as best as I could off of this, AND avoid being on their murder list. I didn't want to do all that, so I chose death instead.
I'll shorten third to I felt like I was being given multiple ways for my role to fail instead of multiple ways for my role to stand out. It's a lesson I sometimes forget when I make a role, where I make a role that is explicitly made to cover for some weaknesses and strengths in other roles, but I'm not even really sure how I covered for the Mafia's weaknesses or the Town/SK's strengths. I got an Ability that sets people On Fire, which seems to only be a mechanic used by the SK. And I couldn't even target it.
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2022, 11:37:05 pm
I could've had Surf for Vaporeon.
Thunder for Jolteon.
Fire Spin for Flareon.
Confusion for Espeon.
Umbreon... Could use... Uh... Sand-Attack? Or maybe even Moonlight? I dunno, this one's weird.
Leafeon could be Leech Seed.
Glaceon could be Mirror Coat, I guess.
Sylveon could be Draining Kiss.
Post by: TolyK on November 11, 2022, 01:34:30 am
Post by: NJW2000 on November 11, 2022, 07:34:14 am
Post by: EuchreJack on November 11, 2022, 08:53:43 am
My role was actually pretty decent. Probably the most pro-scum of the roles.
Town can blame itself for voting juicebox. Our scum team mostly just got out of Town's way while they lynched town. Frankly, Town should have lynched me Day 4, then spend Day 5 trying to find the countdown player. Since there was some chance I was the countdown player, I was unfortunately outed as scum, and keeping me alive let me vote on Day 5. I was amazed and delighted that Town didn't figure out that last part. I even voted once just to say "Hey Town, you can't afford to keep me alive".
Post by: NJW2000 on November 11, 2022, 09:16:44 am
Vector's distancing from Nakeen drew attention to them if anything, it was awkward and forced; I probably wouldn't have found Nakeen without it. Town was just very tired and had few options.
Post by: webadict on November 11, 2022, 10:04:52 am
Though, NJW is wrong about Vector. Toony had control over the Town, so Toony saw the same interaction and concluded the opposite. Everyone was going to follow Toony's lead, especially since everyone was tired. If the game were quicker, I think Nakeen could've been found out, since discussions are going to happen if everyone's engaged.
This game had several lessons to learn, but very few of them were about the Town's play.
Post by: notquitethere on November 11, 2022, 10:29:40 am
Post by: FallacyofUrist on November 11, 2022, 12:40:53 pm
Quote from: Maximum Spin
“A Heart Full Of Neutrality” (town):
(Auto) Steady Heartbeat: Your heartbeat is steady, unwavering, unshakeable, unchangeable. Your alignment cannot be changed, your action targets cannot be changed, and your non-Item abilities cannot be Disabled.
(Night) A Fair Arbiter [target]: You judge your target fairly. If and only if they successfully killed another player this Night, you learn their alignment. Otherwise, you do not.
(1-Shot, Night) Heartthrob - Neutral Ending [target]: You link your heartbeat to your target’s, and give them the Heartbound Status.
(1-Shot, Day) Speak From The Heart: You bear your heart, and reveal your unbiased justice. You reveal and mod-confirm your alignment publicly. At the end of the next Day after the execution, your heart gives out under the strain, and you are killed.
(Reference) (Status) Heartbound: Your heart beats in synch. If you are killed, the same kill also affects Maximum Spin. If Maximum Spin is killed, the same kill also affects you.
I think Spin's role was one of the saner and more reasonable roles around. If every role conformed to around this level of power, with a bit extra for our local SK and scum, I think everyone would be happy.
I don't have any revisions for Spin's role. A Fair Arbiter may seem weak on first glance, but being able to confirm that someone didn't kill is actually pretty useful. I think if I hadn't mistakenly killed him he would have gotten a lot of value out of his one-shots, as well.
Quote from: Knightwing64
Reality Warping Dragon of Dubious Morals (town):
(Night) Draconic Barrier [target]: You shroud your target in a resilient spatial barrier. This protects them from kill actions performed this Night and roleblocks them as well.
(2-Shot, Night) Draconic Distortion [target1][target2]: You twist space and create a wormhole. All single target actions performed on your first target this Night are redirected to instead target your second target. If your second target is successfully killed this Night, you harvest their soul and gain an additional vote permanently.
(Auto) Uncertain Morality: Your morality is… flexible. Your alignment is treated as Serial Killer for the purposes of investigative abilities. Additionally, if a Serial Killer aligned player wins the game, you are treated as if you possess the Serial Killer-Ally win condition.
(Auto) There Can Only Be One: Dragons grow stronger if they are unrivaled. If you are the only remaining living player with a Dragon role, using Draconic Barrier automatically also self-targets it on you without including its roleblock effect.
I don't think this role design conforms to the theme Knightwing intended well enough. I like some of the concepts, but in a better game I'd have revised it. Draconic Distortion is too weak for what feels like a keystone ability, and Barrier is bland.
Quote from: Revised Version
Reality Warping Dragon of Dubious Morals (town):
(Night) Transfer Consequences [target1][target2]: You warp cause and effect. All action results that would have an effect on your first target this Night instead affect your second target. If your second target dies this Night, you drain their soul and gain an additional vote for the duration of the next Day.
(1-Shot, Day) Absolute Partition: You separate the world into two demiplanes. Compose two lists of living players other than yourself, with no player existing in both lists, and the number of players in each list being as close to equal as is possible. The next Night, no player in your first list may voluntarily or involuntarily target any player in your second list, and vice versa. (This fact is publicly announced.)
(Auto) Uncertain Morality: Your morality is flexible and pragmatic. Your alignment is treated as Serial Killer for the purposes of investigative abilities. Additionally, if a Serial Killer aligned player wins the game, you are treated as if you possess the Serial Killer-Ally win condition.
(Auto) There Can Only Be One: Dragons grow stronger if they are unrivaled. If you are the only remaining living player with a Dragon role, this ability transforms into the ability Mirror Warp.Quote(2-Shot, Night) Mirror Warp: You reflect reality across an ethereal axis. All effects you would experience this Night are transferred to their sources. If this directly causes another player's death, you consume their soul and gain a permanent additional vote.
Quote from: Jim Groovester
DRAGON DEEZ NUTS (town):
(Night) DRAGON NUTS SACK [target]: You reach into your bountiful hoard, and grant your target a DRAGON ALMONDS, a DRAGON WALNUTS, a DRAGON CASHEWS, or a DRAGON PECANS. You cannot choose the same Item two Nights in a row - variety is an important part of any nut enthusiast’s diet!
-(Reference) (Item, 1-Shot, Night) DRAGON ALMONDS [target]: You poison your target with deadly, cyanide-ridden DRAGON ALMONDS. A random Auto ability they possess is Disabled.
-(Reference) (Item, 1-Shot, Night) DRAGON WALNUTS [self]: You eat resilient DRAGON WALNUTS and protect yourself from up to one kill this Night.
-(Reference) (Item, Free, 1-Shot, Night) DRAGON CASHEWS [self]: You eat healthy DRAGON CASHEWS. Un-Disable one ability you possess or remove one Status effect you possess. You choose what to affect with this ability.
-(Reference) (Item, 1-Shot, Add-On) DRAGON PECANS: Not the best on their own, but DRAGON PECANS are useful as an ingredient in all sorts of other abilities. Use this with an action, and that action cannot be roleblocked or have its target changed this Night.
(1-Shot, Night) ACORN BREATH - GOTTEM! [target]: You breathe acorns on your target. Hard, sharp acorns. The overwhelming acorns kill them, and roleblock them for good measure.
(Auto) THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE: Dragons grow stronger if they are unrivaled. If you are the only remaining living player with a Dragon role, whenever you use DRAGON NUTS SACK you may also choose any DRAGON NUTS Item ability to grant yourself.
As much as Jim's role was really funny, it's become clear that roles that give gifts or grant abilities can be too confirmable, and despite getting two uses of his kill, Jim never managed to kill
A less drastic revision would be nice here.
Quote from: Revised
DRAGON DEEZ NUTS (town):
(Night) DRAGON NUTS SACK [target]: You reach into your bountiful hoard, and grant your target the boon of DRAGON ALMONDS, DRAGON WALNUTS, DRAGON CASHEWS, or DRAGON PECANS. You cannot choose the same nut two Nights in a row - variety is an important part of any nut enthusiast’s diet!
-DRAGON ALMONDS: You poison your target with deadly, cyanide-ridden DRAGON ALMONDS. A random Auto ability they possess is Disabled.
-DRAGON WALNUTS: You feed your target resilient DRAGON WALNUTS and protect them from kills this Night.
-DRAGON CASHEWS: You feed your target healthy DRAGON CASHEWS. Remove all their Status effects and un-Disable all their abilities.
-DRAGON PECANS: Not the best on their own, but DRAGON PECANS are useful as an ingredient in all sorts of other abilities. Your target's action or actions cannot be roleblocked or have their target changed this Night.
(1-Shot, Night) ACORN BREATH - GOTTEM! [target]: You breathe acorns on your target. Hard, sharp acorns. The overwhelming acorns kill them, and roleblock them for good measure.
(Auto) THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE: Dragons grow stronger if they are unrivaled. If you are the only remaining living player with a Dragon role, this ability becomes the ability DRAGON GIVING TREE.Quote(Auto) DRAGON GIVING TREE: You share your wonderful DRAGON NUTS freely. Each Night you may choose one of your DRAGON NUTS types, and all players who visit you are affected by that effect this Night (for ALMONDS, WALNUTS, and CASHEWS) or the next Night (PECANS). You may not choose the same type two Nights in a row, however - variety is important even to an evolved dragon.
Quote from: notquitethere
Role With Increasingly Bizarre Post Restrictions (town):
(Auto) Increasingly Bizarre Behavior: You may only use Plunder, Machine Learning, or Catspaw Snooping during the Night if you made a good-faith effort to adhere to the associated character-based post restriction during the Day before, and did not attempt to adhere to any other post restrictions during that time.
(2-Shot, Night) Plunder [target]: Associated with ‘Pirate’. You plunder from your target, stealing a random Item ability from their role and adding it to yours!
(2-Shot, Night) Machine Learning [target]: Associated with ‘Robot’. You compute your target’s behavior into a coherent model, and learn if they are Alpha, Beta, or Omega classed. Town players without lethal abilities and Mafia-Allies are Alpha classed, Town players with lethal abilities and Mafia players are Beta classed, all third party aligned players not otherwise covered are Omega classed.
(Night) Catspaw Snooping [target]: Associated with ‘Catgirl’. You’re too sneaky, so when you use this ability, you can’t be seen visiting your target. You still learn who they visited this Night, if anyone, though!
(1-Shot, Day) The Most Bizarre Post Restriction [target]: Is the silence of death. You publicly cut your target’s throat. If you then successfully follow the following post restriction exactly, you kill your target at the end of the Day, before the execution resolves. “Do not double post. Start each of your posts with a number. The first number is 20, then each subsequent number is 1 less than the number before it. Do not continue counting below 0.” You only kill your target if you reach 0.
I actually really like this role. Categorization is a good way to limit alignment inspection, and The Most Bizarre Post Restriction is hilarious. I think Plunder was a little too weak, though.
Quote from: Revised Plunder
(2-Shot, Night) Plunder [target]: Associated with ‘Pirate’. You plunder from your target, stealing all Item abilities from their role and adding them to yours!
Post by: EuchreJack on November 11, 2022, 02:48:49 pm
Post by: notquitethere on November 11, 2022, 02:50:31 pm
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 11, 2022, 02:50:50 pm
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 11, 2022, 02:54:24 pm
I think if I hadn't mistakenly killed him he would have gotten a lot of value out of his one-shots, as well.I probably wouldn't have used them UNLESS I could secure juicebox's cooperation to refill the heartbeat. Getting myself conftown in exchange for dying just doesn't seem that valuable to me since I don't think anyone was likely to scumread me in the first place. Meanwhile, I wouldn't risk becoming lovers unless I could take a decent chunk of people down with me. Otherwise the risk of killing two town is too high.
Post by: webadict on November 11, 2022, 04:20:26 pm
It still feels too risky to use. I think Max's role is surprisingly weak, given what it is. Being unable to be redirected was good, but the rest could be improved.I think if I hadn't mistakenly killed him he would have gotten a lot of value out of his one-shots, as well.I probably wouldn't have used them UNLESS I could secure juicebox's cooperation to refill the heartbeat. Getting myself conftown in exchange for dying just doesn't seem that valuable to me since I don't think anyone was likely to scumread me in the first place. Meanwhile, I wouldn't risk becoming lovers unless I could take a decent chunk of people down with me. Otherwise the risk of killing two town is too high.
An Inspection Ability without confirmation attached isn't a strong Action, but this is tied to the number of Abilities that cause Inspections to be incorrect. This one's... fine, since he can't be redirected or bussed? Getting an alignment or a kill check isn't terrible. I'd probably make his Actions confirm its target after redirection instead, though (Because he's not going to stop the Actions or anything, but he's following that neutral heart of his.) This is beneficial for the scum, who had randomization Abilities, since they can have a bit of control over how powerful Max could be, but it also gives Max some ways to see redirection and bussing Actions himself. The only downside is that Max probably needs a second Action here instead of his Heartbound, which should be changed with Knightwing's weird Auto Ability. Let Max Heartbound himself to someone and shift to their Alignment (consuming it) or rebind it if he wants. Max is a heart full of neutrality, so shifting sides at a whim feels much more in line with that. I think Heartbound acting as a suicide bomber isn't the right feeling for this role, nor is confirming your alignment. You want a Neutral Action, you go with Removal. It's a very upsetting type of action, but if you let Maximum Spin remove a target's role, (extra) votes, or Abilities, that's pretty neutrally-inclined, AND it's a great way to fight. Power removal is the great neutralizer, bringing people to a level playing field.Quote from: Maximum Spin“A Heart Full Of Neutrality” (town):
(Auto) Steady Heartbeat: Your heartbeat is steady, unwavering, unshakeable, unchangeable. Your alignment cannot be changed, your action targets cannot be changed, and your non-Item abilities cannot be Disabled.
(Night) A Fair Arbiter [target]: You judge your target fairly. If and only if they successfully killed another player this Night, you learn their alignment. Otherwise, you do not.
(1-Shot, Night) Heartthrob - Neutral Ending [target]: You link your heartbeat to your target’s, and give them the Heartbound Status.
(1-Shot, Day) Speak From The Heart: You bear your heart, and reveal your unbiased justice. You reveal and mod-confirm your alignment publicly. At the end of the next Day after the execution, your heart gives out under the strain, and you are killed.
(Reference) (Status) Heartbound: Your heart beats in synch. If you are killed, the same kill also affects Maximum Spin. If Maximum Spin is killed, the same kill also affects you.
Max's role not being affected by target manipulation makes it what it is, but his other Abilities are... pretty futile feeling. I have a feeling that he only inspects using that Role, and that there's zero instances where not inspecting is actually better (except in the case he described by working with juicebox, but that's not a combo I'd bank on being able to use.)
Surprisingly, Knightwing's role was what I found to be overpowered, given that he can gain permanent votes by redirecting and has a backup wincon and can gain more power in certain circumstances. The rewrite fixes the permanent votes, but still gives Knightwing a lot of power.
Knightwing has a jailkeep and a redirection. Those are strong Abilities on their own, as the Redirection can be used to find people whose Actions don't line up and as a pseudo-Protect (against all Actions, as well), and the Jailkeep is semi-confirmable by the target, as they'll be Roleblocked and Protected, ensuring that they don't die. He can pick and choose what the greatest threats are and pick the right Action for the job. Knightwing was given good options on Actions to use.
Knightwing being a Reality Warping Dragon with Dubious Morals having the jailkeep doesn't sound fully right. Protection doesn't feel like it'd be in his repertoire (though, I'd feel like a role like this could have a protection if you make the Action Morally Dubious, like having the protection work by delaying the Kills effects by a Cycle.) The redirection feels fine, but I feel like that's possibly a role that could actually deserve some random factors here (How much control could a reality warping dragon have, anyway?) Change it to 3 targets, and split the Actions randomly between the two. Reality warps should be things that are weird. I think the "With Dubious Morals" part here should be wanton carelessness in regards to their reality warping. If someone dies from his Abilities, that not Knightwing's problem. That's their problem for being targeted by Knightwing! Like copying a Player's Action(s) from a previous Phase and using it on someone. Potentially dangerous, but oh well! Or stealing Actions from other people and using them on yourself! Knightwing doesn't feel like he should be an SK-Ally here. The role name feels more like a dangerously powerful psychopathic dragon that an SK would try to manipulate to bring about their goals. He'd do things like not care about rules to win, not kill everyone gleefully. (Assuming, of course, Knightwing is rolled Town here.)
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 11, 2022, 04:45:32 pm
Max's role not being affected by target manipulation makes it what it is, but his other Abilities are... pretty futile feeling. I have a feeling that he only inspects using that Role, and that there's zero instances where not inspecting is actually better (except in the case he described by working with juicebox, but that's not a combo I'd bank on being able to use.)This is exactly how I thought when I got it. There was basically no chance of me ever using anything else. And the inspection itself is pretty weak, especially in a game where the only person to ever get killed was me.
Post by: Nakéen on November 11, 2022, 05:11:07 pm
To ever get accidentally killed!Max's role not being affected by target manipulation makes it what it is, but his other Abilities are... pretty futile feeling. I have a feeling that he only inspects using that Role, and that there's zero instances where not inspecting is actually better (except in the case he described by working with juicebox, but that's not a combo I'd bank on being able to use.)This is exactly how I thought when I got it. There was basically no chance of me ever using anything else. And the inspection itself is pretty weak, especially in a game where the only person to ever get killed was me.
Post by: Maximum Spin on November 11, 2022, 05:29:49 pm
I mean by an action, as needed to make my inspect work, rather than a lynch, of course.To ever get accidentally killed!Max's role not being affected by target manipulation makes it what it is, but his other Abilities are... pretty futile feeling. I have a feeling that he only inspects using that Role, and that there's zero instances where not inspecting is actually better (except in the case he described by working with juicebox, but that's not a combo I'd bank on being able to use.)This is exactly how I thought when I got it. There was basically no chance of me ever using anything else. And the inspection itself is pretty weak, especially in a game where the only person to ever get killed was me.
Post by: Knightwing64 on November 11, 2022, 05:44:21 pm
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