Bay 12 Games Forum

Dwarf Fortress => DF Suggestions => Topic started by: bool1989 on December 14, 2022, 05:35:45 pm

Title: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: bool1989 on December 14, 2022, 05:35:45 pm
We need crates to hold stones in, 10 stones to a crate.

I've asked for them twice now, and I thought you would finally add them in the Steam version.

But they weren't there.

Toady, I don't like to have to stuff all my stones into a garbage pile just to make my fortress look nice.

Please add crates, we need them.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: Salmeuk on December 15, 2022, 12:18:54 am
bruh this is not a catering service. . .
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: Bumber on December 15, 2022, 02:06:42 am
Rather than add crates, Toady would probably just adjust things so stones fit in bins. I don't think he intends to though, with the reason being that mining out areas is supposed to generate meaningful debris.

bruh this is not a cratering service. . .

FTFY
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: Crab on December 15, 2022, 06:56:58 am
Bins are crates. Bin didn't pick up the modern meaning of a rubbish receptacle until the mid-19th century. Before that, a bin was a wooden frame for storing things in, which is to say... a crate.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: bool1989 on December 15, 2022, 11:19:05 am
I think bins and crates should be kept separate.

Bins are for small things, crates are for big things.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: A_Curious_Cat on December 15, 2022, 11:33:09 am
Bin didn't pick up the modern meaning of a rubbish receptacle until the mid-19th century.
That depends on where the speaker is from.  In some places (the U.S.A. for example) it’s always meant a type of container.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: brewer bob on December 15, 2022, 12:09:12 pm
I think bins and crates should be kept separate.

Bins are for small things, crates are for big things.

So are you suggesting crates couldn't hold small things? Like, they'd be able to store more than bins, but for some reason you could only put boulders (or other stuff with the same volume) in crates?
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: bool1989 on December 15, 2022, 12:28:27 pm
I think bins and crates should be kept separate.

Bins are for small things, crates are for big things.

So are you suggesting crates couldn't hold small things? Like, they'd be able to store more than bins, but for some reason you could only put boulders (or other stuff with the same volume) in crates?

Well if you can put ten boulders in a crate, but only one boulder in a bin, then obviously you would use the crate to store boulders.

And if you can put ten crafts in a bin, but only one stone, then you would reserve bins for crafts.

I just want a means of storing my stones without having to stuff them in a garbage dump.

Edit: Also, bins are easier to carry.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: SixOfSpades on December 15, 2022, 07:11:41 pm
Minecarts (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Minecart) hold 5 stone. Is there a feasible way to use them as a high-concentration stone stockpile, preferably a stationary one?
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on December 15, 2022, 08:59:18 pm
Is there something especially wrong with garbage dumps? I mean aside from the break from realism one has to accept in dumping a potentially infinite amount of debris into a single tile (which I'll assume is the OP's primary issue until they correct me), they have about the same degree of functionality as a crate. In fact crates would hardly come without problems of their own, considering the amount of stockpile space they'd take up relative to a single-tile garbage dump.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: Salmeuk on December 15, 2022, 11:18:59 pm
Is there something especially wrong with garbage dumps? I mean aside from the break from realism one has to accept in dumping a potentially infinite amount of debris into a single tile (which I'll assume is the OP's primary issue until they correct me), they have about the same degree of functionality as a crate. In fact crates would hardly come without problems of their own, considering the amount of stockpile space they'd take up relative to a single-tile garbage dump.

yeah, even if you don't go the somewhat cheaty route of quantum stockpiles (which afaik still work in the new version, though I have not personally tested), you can just huck all stone off a cliff into a pit and problem solved.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: bool1989 on December 16, 2022, 12:50:32 pm
I mean aside from the break from realism one has to accept in dumping a potentially infinite amount of debris into a single tile.

This is my whole problem with it, it's a break from realism.

yeah, even if you don't go the somewhat cheaty route of quantum stockpiles (which afaik still work in the new version, though I have not personally tested), you can just huck all stone off a cliff into a pit and problem solved.

How do you do that on the steam version? I wouldn't have a problem with it, since it's a bit more realistic.
Title: Re: Toady, I asked for Crates, where are the crates?
Post by: Gaxxian on January 14, 2023, 08:00:29 am
Minecarts (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Minecart) hold 5 stone. Is there a feasible way to use them as a high-concentration stone stockpile, preferably a stationary one?

Uhm... i suppose that you could designate a relatively small stone stockpile, and then a bajillion minecart routes that are just a stop point into the floor with the "pick from X stockpile" and no move conditions...
But at the same time, idk if then those stones would be stuck there... xD