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Dwarf Fortress => DF Gameplay Questions => Topic started by: hedgerow on June 30, 2023, 11:11:28 am

Title: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: hedgerow on June 30, 2023, 11:11:28 am
Used to, in an older version (possibly Masterwork), clearing boulders and rock on land was as easy as smoothing and paving over them.  After which, the pave would be lifted, and the ground would be nothing but plain, flat dirt ready to grow grass and make turf.

Nowadays, on an older version (not the latest classic, but the latest LNP), dirt can't be paved over and cleared.  The rocks can be smoothed and built over, but they cannot be removed and filled with dirt, making actual clear clean turf impossible.

How do you clear rock from the surface and pad the ground with dirt again?
Title: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: hedgerow on June 30, 2023, 11:16:34 am
Here's a preview of what I'm meaning:

Spoiler: Turf (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Development (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: A_Curious_Cat on June 30, 2023, 02:22:10 pm
To my knowledge, you were never able to leave dirt behind after smoothing over boulders.  It just left behind a rock floor on which nothing could be planted.  I even made a suggestion (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=179021.0) based on my frustration with this!
Title: Re: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: Ziusudra on June 30, 2023, 02:46:31 pm
Quote from: A_Curious_Cat on June 30, 2023, 02:22:10 pm
To my knowledge, you were never able to leave dirt behind after smoothing over boulders.  It just left behind a rock floor on which nothing could be planted.
This is half correct, but you could then build some thing like a wall on that tile and then remove it, which leaves the tile as what ever the base layer is at that place. That's usually what ever soil is around there, but I think maybe on mountain biomes it might leave stone?

Given that you're using the LNP you could use DFHack's tiletypes (https://docs.dfhack.org/en/stable/docs/tools/tiletypes.html) to paint soil in that place instead.
Title: Re: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: A_Curious_Cat on June 30, 2023, 02:56:42 pm
Does the wall have to be stone, or will a wooden one work just as well?
Title: Re: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: hedgerow on June 30, 2023, 06:05:43 pm
Quote from: Ziusudra on June 30, 2023, 02:46:31 pm
Quote from: A_Curious_Cat on June 30, 2023, 02:22:10 pm
To my knowledge, you were never able to leave dirt behind after smoothing over boulders.  It just left behind a rock floor on which nothing could be planted.
This is half correct, but you could then build some thing like a wall on that tile and then remove it, which leaves the tile as what ever the base layer is at that place. That's usually what ever soil is around there, but I think maybe on mountain biomes it might leave stone?

Given that you're using the LNP you could use DFHack's tiletypes (https://docs.dfhack.org/en/stable/docs/tools/tiletypes.html) to paint soil in that place instead.

Gonna have to disagree, the latest classic Masterwork includes debouldering with its paved roads feature as long as you can build atop them.

You might be right about walls because the assimilar feature.  I'll have to get a time.
Title: Re: How do I dig up boulders on the turf?
Post by: Mobbstar on July 02, 2023, 03:57:21 am
As far as I know, in 0.47.05 and prior, stone could only be replaced by soil the following way: