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Finally... => Forum Games and Roleplaying => Mafia => Topic started by: FallacyofUrist on July 15, 2023, 06:09:26 pm
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The four robed figures stood in the cave, glum and grim.
"One of us has to be colluding with those damned investigators."
This is a mini-mafia setup designed to run quickly.
There are four players - three Cultists, and one Snitch.
The Cultists all win if they Execute the Snitch.
The Snitch wins if they are not Executed.
The game will operate over the course of 72 hours from its start. Each player will have one vote, which may be placed on other players and moved at will. When the duration ends, whichever player has the most votes placed on them will be Executed.
When the game starts, all the roles will be distributed via PM. Players may not directly quote their PM message or edit the posts they make in the thread.
Finally, after the first 24 hours of the game have passed, the Snitch must privately choose one Cultist player to Kill, which will be resolved once the second 24 hours of the game have passed. The Killed player will be removed from play and will no longer be able to vote or be Executed. Which player is Killed will be publicly revealed. (They can still win.)
Signups:
- Maximum Spin
- sofanthiel
- Knightwing64
- Quarque
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In.
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Hey! If you guys allow newbies, I'm IN.
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IN
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Hey! If you guys allow newbies, I'm IN.
That we do. We'll take anyone at this point.
Just need one more person.
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Ok, I'd like to try this kind of game so I'm IN.
This game will be short indeed. If we execute the wrong person in round 1, the snitch will kill another cultist and with just 1 cultist left, the snitch cannot be outvoted any more.
This is bad news, because from reading previous games I've noticed that Knightwing says almost nothing, meaning that you can never get a better read on him than 25% Snitch. Which would help to get us killed and right quick. So Knightwing, if you could please be a little more active this game, that would be appreciated.
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I think if you miss the execute you just lose immediately.
Also, Gate of Dreams When?
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I think if you miss the execute you just lose immediately.
Correct.
It's a single-phase game. The Snitch kills someone, then the two remaining Cultists have to use the interactions in the thread and the information of who the Snitch chose to kill, to figure out who to Execute.
Signups closed. Game starts tonight.
Also, Gate of Dreams When?
AAAAAAAAAA
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It becomes increasingly clear that you cannot verify your identities through hearsay alone.
But your instincts, the prickling on your neck, tell you something is wrong here.
One of you is not a member of your holy and arcane order.
Maximum Spin (0):
sofanthiel (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Quarque (0):
Not Voting (4): Maximum Spin, sofanthiel, Knightwing64, Quarque
The game has begun. The first 24 hours will have ended Friday, 1:20 AM Central time. The second 24 hours will have ended Saturday, 1:20 AM Central time. The third 24 hours will have ended Sunday, 1:20 AM Central time, and at that point the game will be over.
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All right, Knightwing64 I'm voting on you.
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So, what's our strategy here? Does anyone have any ideas?
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Right now, my strategy is that Quarque is the snitch.
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So, what's our strategy here? Does anyone have any ideas?
Well we should talk to each other and hope that the snitch betrays themselves somehow, basically. Randomly accusing someone for no reason and hoping it teases out a response is one way to do it.
Mix with gut feelings for best result. ;)
Right now, my strategy is that Quarque is the snitch.
I'm guessing you're doing the same here. Frankly I had been hoping for a more original opening from the only experienced player in the room.
Unvote, for now. Still hoping you will participate in some way this time, Knightwing.
For the moment, my bet would be
sofanthiel as 80% cult and 20% snitch, the innocuous opening feels sort of genuine.
Maximum Spin as 67% cult and 33% snitch. Standard opening doesn't mean anything.
That leaves Knightwing as 47% snitch for the moment.
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Well we should talk to each other and hope that the snitch betrays themselves somehow, basically. Randomly accusing someone for no reason and hoping it teases out a response is one way to do it.
Sounds reasonable, but wouldn't a generic "I know what you're trying to do here, and it's not me." be enough to pretty much completely combat this approach? Being able to tell if someone is lying without seeing their live response, meaning the accusant has plenty of time to plan out exactly what to type, is already (at least in my unexperienced opinion) nigh impossible. On top of that, no kills or decisions have been made whatsoever, so there is no real reason to suspect anyone enough to vote them out. That's kinda the whole idea behind day 1 in regular mafia; no one actually gets lynched as people get to know each other. Alas, we have to vote for someone.
If I had to make a decision right now, it'd probably be Knightwing, on the grounds of them not saying anything at all. Not even a reaction to the accusation made against them, which can be a strategy in and of itself, or maybe they just didn't have an opportunity to engage yet? Guess we'll see!
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Being able to tell if someone is lying without seeing their live response, meaning the accusant has plenty of time to plan out exactly what to type, is already (at least in my unexperienced opinion) nigh impossible.
Oddly enough, it isn't.
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Sounds reasonable, but wouldn't a generic "I know what you're trying to do here, and it's not me." be enough to pretty much completely combat this approach? Being able to tell if someone is lying without seeing their live response, meaning the accusant has plenty of time to plan out exactly what to type, is already (at least in my unexperienced opinion) nigh impossible.
It's not an extremely reliable method, but then again there is no extremely reliable method.
Alas, we have to vote for someone.
No, don't vote yet. It thought so at first as well, but we need to vote after 72 hours and the murder will happen after 24 hours, so we can wait until the snitch has murdered someone to gain a little more information.
Maximum Spin, what is your read of sofanthiel?
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No, don't vote yet. It thought so at first as well, but we need to vote after 72 hours and the murder will happen after 24 hours, so we can wait until the snitch has murdered someone to gain a little more information.
Yeah, I realized I misread that part only after posting, and editing is not allowed. Forgive my lack of proofreading, as I just recently woke up due to my rather unorthodox sleeping schedule :)
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Knightwing64 has been Killed. He was a Cultist.
To vote, please write a player's name in bold red.
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Lmao. Getting yourself killed by the snitch before you said a word has got to be some kind of new world record.
So which one of you did it? It's an odd choice. Sofanthiel, you could have killed Maximum Spin if you're the snitch and probably have convinced me to vote on Knightwing.
The same applies to you, Maximum Spin. If it was you, killing either one of us seems like it would have been more logical. But I feel you're the kind of person who could have done this for convoluted reasons. I don't see a better option than to vote Maximum Spin
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But I feel you're the kind of person who could have done this for convoluted reasons.
Nah.
I think there's still a possibility that it was the couch angel, so I'll wait a minute.
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I could be wrong, but I feel the alternative is less likely.
24 hours is pretty short when it's on a sunday, I hope you read this in time, Sofanthiel.
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By my count we only have about 6 hours left until the deadline and still no reaction from Sofanthiel. Maximum Spin, are you there? At this point I'll gamble that my first hunch was wrong and vote to execute Sofanthiel.
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Ultimately, your claim not to know why Knightwing was killed doesn't ring genuine to me, but I don't know you that well. It's possible you really don't see why it would have been necessary to kill Knightwing. Can you convince me of that?
Of course, if the couch of god doesn't come back, that's all we can do anyway, so I'll accept that option if it comes down to it.
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Ultimately, your claim not to know why Knightwing was killed doesn't ring genuine to me, but I don't know you that well. It's possible you really don't see why it would have been necessary to kill Knightwing. Can you convince me of that?
Now I'm curious why you think it was necessary.
If I'd been the snitch, killing you would have been an easy win for me. Number one, KW seemed oblivious to the fact the game had started and would likely have let the deadline pass without voting. Number two, Sofanthiel already seemed to be suspicious of KW. Number three, knowing KW (sorry if you read this dude) any attempt from them to defend themselves would have been clumsy at best.
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Actually, I think this reveals a difference between you and me. I feel you approach other players as rational agents. I don't. From a game theory perspective you might be right.
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Quite the contrary. In this case, "irrational" social reasoning is exactly what matters.
Consider: would you have believed Knightwing is the killer when he has not even BEEN here? By all appearances, he didn't even know the game had started. He hasn't even logged in. Frankly, I think it was a mistake for FoU to have even started the game without getting everyone's acknowledgement first, but that's beside the point.
If you don't kill Knightwing, then the one active cultist player remaining knows who the snitch must be, and the game either ends in a draw or becomes a desperate duel to get Knightwing to show up and vote for the other player. Or, that is, at least you run the risk of that happening if the cultist player figures it out.
Besides, a snitch couchy would probably have expected me to vote for you after my opening.
Anyway, if I were the snitch, I would've easily voted sofanthiel after you did and then just dropped the argument there for an almost certain low-effort victory. You can argue that's WIFOM, but I don't believe in making life harder for absolutely no reason just for WIFOM. So you have your answer.
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no reaction from Sofanthiel.
Yeah, sorry about that! I was just busy watching some movies.
By my count we only have about 6 hours left
Do we?
The third 24 hours will have ended Sunday, 1:20 AM Central time, and at that point the game will be over.
Frankly, this whole time thing is pretty confusing. The game was supposed to end earlier today, but I'm guessing what happened is that the snitch was late to PM the GM, so the kill was delayed. This actually makes me wonder whether the snitch messaged the GM at all and consider the implications of that. Crazy thought, but who knows? Knightwing hasn't said anything, after all, and it would be quite humorous if FallacyofUrist chose to execute the snitch themselves, as the game would've been botched regardless. Either way, it's best to operate under the assumption the snitch still is among the living.
So which one of you did it? It's an odd choice. Sofanthiel, you could have killed Maximum Spin if you're the snitch and probably have convinced me to vote on Knightwing.
I agree with you on one thing; it definitely is odd! The snitch, whoever they are, could have killed one of us and, with knightwing AFK, gotten a rather easy victory. Maybe they decided to spice things up?
Now, I really don't have a lot of info to work with. All that said, from my personal experience with these types of games, I think I'm voting for Quarque. You did switch your position quite a few time with, in my opinion, not the best reasoning. You are also the most talkative (not at all a bad thing, but that's usually how mafias behave; trying to act as the leader by saying as much as possible, even though the information may not always be the most helpful)!
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If you don't kill Knightwing, then the one active cultist player remaining knows who the snitch must be, and the game either ends in a draw or becomes a desperate duel to get Knightwing to show up and vote for the other player. Or, that is, at least you run the risk of that happening if the cultist player figures it out.
Ha ha! I guess you type faster than me ;)
I feel you approach other players as rational agents. I don't. From a game theory perspective you might be right.
Just like Maximum pointed out, there is also some irrationality involved. I think of it as somewhere in the middle; a mix of game theory and psychology!
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You did switch your position quite a few time with, in my opinion, not the best reasoning.
I switched twice. First, I switched from KW to MS because KW was killed. Second, I switched from him to you because you seemed absent and if you hadn't shown up without me voting for you, no one would be executed and the snitch would have won for certain.
You are also the most talkative (not at all a bad thing, but that's usually how mafias behave; trying to act as the leader by saying as much as possible, even though the information may not always be the most helpful)!
I'm trying to play the game. Consider this, Sofanthiel. Among the three of us there is one who thinks it is logical for a snitch to kill KW.
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I switched twice. First, I switched from KW to MS because KW was killed. Second, I switched from him to you because you seemed absent and if you hadn't shown up without me voting for you, no one would be executed and the snitch would have won for certain.
Yeahhh, but you also accused Knightwing out of the gate. Even though you admitted it was a strategy, I don't know if that feels trustworthy. Regarding you voting for me, please do elaborate on that, as I still don't actually understand the logic behind the switch. It would make sense to vote for someone who you think is not voting as a snitch, so you are on the side of the only other person playing the game. Even if your assumption was correct, what about me being absent makes me more suspicious? I know I overexaggerated both of my points, but ultimately I did say I don't have much to work with; those reasons represent my hunches more than anything.
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Sorry, needed to deal with real life for a moment.
Regarding you voting for me, please do elaborate on that, as I still don't actually understand the logic behind the switch. It would make sense to vote for someone who you think is not voting as a snitch, so you are on the side of the only other person playing the game. Even if your assumption was correct, what about me being absent makes me more suspicious? I know I overexaggerated both of my points, but ultimately I did say I don't have much to work with; those reasons represent my hunches more than anything.
The only reason I switched was because if you had not shown up, not executing anyone is an autoloss. And because of timezones and real life I can't stay on the forum until the deadline hits today. I didn't think it made you sus. Now that I know you're here I'm back to voting for Maximum Spin
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As amusing as this all is, the truth is that I slept in and the game is over.
Maximum Spin (1): Quarque
sofanthiel (0):
Knightwing64 (0):
Quarque (1): sofanthiel
Not Voting (1): Maximum Spin
By virtue of the vote being tied, nobody has been Executed. Since the Snitch was not Executed, the Snitch wins.
Maximum Spin appears to be napping, and no matter how much sofanthiel tries to wake him up to get his cooperation, he doesn't move.
Quarque appears to have slipped away in the confusion.
The Snitch (Quarque) wins! All other players lose.
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Yeah, I think this game failed due to the timing problem. You should have waited till after the weekend to start, probably, as well as making sure everyone was HERE first. I was 90% sure it was Quarque, but I didn't want to let sofa get away with not posting in case of that ten percent... which took forever to happen.
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Consider: this is the best possible result, because Knightwing lost.
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Good game, everyone!!
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Consider: this is the best possible result, because Knightwing Maximum Spin lost.
Fixed that for you! :P
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Thanks for the game, everyone.
I wasn't lying when I said that killing you would have been an easy win, Maximum Spin. I killed KW instead to keep the game interesting, although what you said played through my head as well.
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Woah.
My power goes out for a week and I win?
W?
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Woah.
My power goes out for a week and I win?
W?
Sorry, but you lost
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He avoided being part of the entire game, which sounds like a win to me.