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Dwarf Fortress => DF Dwarf Mode Discussion => Topic started by: Salmeuk on September 27, 2023, 10:08:22 pm

Title: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Salmeuk on September 27, 2023, 10:08:22 pm
so like if a arsonist dragon shows up all intoxicated and starts a few fires, does that count against the elven contractual limits? science may be needed here. time to piss off the elves for the umpteenth time


due to an impoverished upbringing I cannot decipher the elven legalese, and the Dwarfen Encyclopedia (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Elf#Trading) has no reference to this particular topic
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Wolfkey on September 28, 2023, 04:20:16 am
They dont.
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Saiko Kila on October 01, 2023, 03:27:52 am
Another way to legally (and more safely) destroy trees is by ballista. Useful when preparing or maintaining roads for wagons, or remodelling the caverns.

Once you have agreement with elven civs, you can always check on the world map how many are allowed after a particular tree-killing activity.
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Bumber on October 02, 2023, 12:18:05 pm
Another way to legally (and more safely) destroy trees is by ballista. Useful when preparing or maintaining roads for wagons, or remodelling the caverns.

I'm pretty sure this counts the same as cutting, last I checked. (IIRC, it increments the tree cut count in the plot info struct, though I didn't look at the individual diplomatic agreement counters.)
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Saiko Kila on October 03, 2023, 03:42:12 am
Another way to legally (and more safely) destroy trees is by ballista. Useful when preparing or maintaining roads for wagons, or remodelling the caverns.

I'm pretty sure this counts the same as cutting, last I checked. (IIRC, it increments the tree cut count in the plot info struct, though I didn't look at the individual diplomatic agreement counters.)

I last used this in current version (v.50.10) and it doesn't decrease the "lumber limits"  numbers shown in the civ agreements, so I say that it works. But maybe it has some other, hidden repercussion. That would be fun, actually.
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Wolfkey on October 03, 2023, 01:25:32 pm
Most recent update made ballista count as chopping a tree for elven diplomacy
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Saiko Kila on October 03, 2023, 03:01:18 pm
Most recent update made ballista count as chopping a tree for elven diplomacy

Damn. Do they read the forums or what? Nasty   >:(

According to the changelog, since v.50.11 (which just updated for me), it counts now. However, I've checked with my current fort, and it definitely doesn't work (i.e. the destroyed trees don't decrease the counters, still). Maybe because the world (and save) is created in older version? I don't know, will check up periodically to see if this new "feature" starts working or not.

Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Salmeuk on October 03, 2023, 10:34:58 pm
alright, good to know.

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Ballista arrows etc. that chop down trees now count for treecap diplomacy

Saiko's post, amazingly, was invalidated in only two days, after the most recent update. heh


Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: brewer bob on October 04, 2023, 12:40:46 am
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Ballista arrows etc. that chop down trees now count for treecap diplomacy

Saiko's post, amazingly, was invalidated in only two days, after the most recent update. heh

Elf spies have infiltrated the forums...
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Putnam on November 17, 2023, 11:18:17 pm
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Ballista arrows etc. that chop down trees now count for treecap diplomacy

Saiko's post, amazingly, was invalidated in only two days, after the most recent update. heh

Elf spies have infiltrated the forums...

If you'll believe it, I actually just sorta found it after looking at clang's compiler warnings, total coincidence. It was a bug preventing it from working.
Title: Re: do burnt trees count against the elven woodcutting limit?
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on November 20, 2023, 02:30:36 am
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Ballista arrows etc. that chop down trees now count for treecap diplomacy

Saiko's post, amazingly, was invalidated in only two days, after the most recent update. heh

Elf spies have infiltrated the forums...

If you'll believe it, I actually just sorta found it after looking at clang's compiler warnings, total coincidence. It was a bug preventing it from working.
Wait, Putnam is an elf?
Toady has grown a beard and got elven helpers?
It is Xmas already?