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Title: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on October 10, 2023, 10:41:24 pm
Northern States Administration Team Thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182127.msg8506079#msg8506079)
Kingdom of The Southern Star Team Thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182128.msg8506080#msg8506080)

The year is 1912 and humanity stands between order and chaos. Small border clashes between nations around the world threaten to grow into regional and ultimately global conflicts, and this is especially true for The Northern States Administration and Kingdom of the Southern Star. These two nations have nothing but the most extreme levels of contempt for one another, and they have already clashed a number of times throughout history. With global tension at a peak, war is inevitable once again.

The Northern States Administration is a nation run by a council of one hundred elected officials out of their forest-city capital. While they don't deal with every issue within the Administration, they deal with a lot of them. This has resulted in the Administration turning into a bureaucratic nightmare full of subcouncils, and committees, and subcommittees, with overlapping oversight on different treaties, proposals, and agreements across the entire spectrum of anything a nation would have to deal with. With an imminent threat on the southern border, the War Committee has approved of a new council to oversee preparation for and execution of a plan to take the south for good.

Buried within the mountains of the south, the Kingdom of the Southern Star is one of the last absolute monarchies remaining in the world. Society is heavily divided, with the kingdom's lords and generals sitting at the top and largely dictating the course of the kingdom with little oversight beyond each other. The king has final say in all matters, and has recently flexed his muscle once more in order to pass an edict declaring the formation of a new council to oversee preparation for and execution of a plan to take the north for good.


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Greatest War Arms Race is an Arms Race based in an alternate universe on a planet of humans about to enter their equivalent of our World War I. The setting is a fairly flexible medium science fiction: as long as you can give a reason why something should work (more than "because it can") then it should be possible. If you're not sure about the viability of a proposal, you can always ask and I'll let you know if it's at least within the scope of the game, with a little more advice at the start.

You take the role of either a Administrative Engineer or Royal Engineer responsible for designing the weapons of war for your nation. Neither side has any "starting tech" in terms of the game, as both sides will be responsible for filling out their armories throughout the course of the five turns leading up to total war. Make sure you only read this thread and the thread belonging to your team!

Once the war begins in earnest the team will vote on how to advance, detailed in "Strategy Phase and the Combat Lanes" below.

The first five turns will also have Design and Revision phases that will be different than your standard turn as explained below, though the details to the changes will be posted in the individual thread as the turns go by. Turns are the equivalent of three months in game time, and are represented by the four seasons (Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter). Below are the rules for the game!


Spoiler: Expense Levels (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: "Map" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Preliminary Turns (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: There Are No Navies (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Combat Phases (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Additional Rules (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Powder Miner on October 10, 2023, 11:24:38 pm
I will declare for the Northern Administration, obviously following my federal bureaucrat roots
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Maxim_inc on October 11, 2023, 12:08:34 am
I declare for the King!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: The Canadian kitten on October 11, 2023, 12:35:00 am
Spent too long debating so fuck it

I DECLARE FOR KING AND COUNTRY
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Thanatos Russ on October 11, 2023, 01:03:41 am
Forking and Country!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Quarque on October 11, 2023, 01:08:49 am
joining north
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 11, 2023, 05:37:08 am
To find out which side I am joining, please fill in Alignment Reveal Form 47-B2, and submit it to the Department of Disclosure.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: UristMcRiley on October 11, 2023, 05:47:21 am
Blessed is the southern star
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: FallacyofUrist on October 11, 2023, 06:53:22 am
I will join the Southern Star because I believe I'll be more likely to successfully push entirely unreasonable and insane proposals there.

Rules of war? No, comrade, we make the rules of war.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: TricMagic on October 11, 2023, 08:23:18 am
For Southern Stars shall fall upon you.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Funk on October 11, 2023, 08:29:10 am
For the north!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: chubby2man on October 11, 2023, 09:34:59 am
For the South!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Aseaheru on October 12, 2023, 12:34:12 am
Well, seems to be a few less folks north, and I am partially here to fill out numbers...
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Kot on October 12, 2023, 02:49:41 am
Green is the new red. Glory to the NSAstotzka?
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Light forger on October 12, 2023, 11:40:53 am
The ouroboros of forms has been completed, glory to NSA
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Thanatos Russ on October 14, 2023, 05:31:36 pm
Gonna change to the NSA. Let me know when I can, as I have participated a lot in the southern thread so opsec would be ruined
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on October 14, 2023, 06:17:57 pm
I'm not going to go around having half a team swap to the other side on the first action of the first turn. These games are about collaborating with your teammates to come up with ideas to flex on the other team. The other team only has their shit together right now because they happened to share a singular (likely drug-induced) vision, but that will not last. It never does. And then they'll find themselves in the same exact position your team is in right now. Just like every other arms race team.

Not necessarily looking to point fingers, so I'll just say the team in general needs to do less drawing lines in the sand and more reaching across the aisle. You're a team, for Pete's sake. Act like it.

inb4 nuke vomits seeing this come from me
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Sensei on October 14, 2023, 07:41:58 pm
I, for one, would happy to accept some sensible individuals with the mere misfortune of having been born in the wrong country who wish to join our Northern States Alliance. That is provided they fill out their NSA-CA-IR6a-1-2 form correctly, submit in triplicate, receive their return NSA-CA-IR6b-2-1 form from the Migration Approval Ministry, submit that form back to the immigration office NO LATER THAN 6PM six office days from the initial NSA-CA-IR6a-1-2 form disbursal (so, do fill it out right away because the mail takes a day or three both ways) and finish their NSA-CA-ES1842c-14-5 citizenship exam with a score of 90 per-cent or higher. You should study about the founding ministers of the NSA while you wait for your NSA-CA-IR6b-2-1 in the mail. Remember the hotels in the border zone are only open to citizens of NSA member states during times of war, so plan on bringing a tent but stay out of the designated no camping zones and the special espionage exclusion zones.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Maxim_inc on October 14, 2023, 09:17:07 pm
I, for one, would happy to accept some sensible individuals with the mere misfortune of having been born in the wrong country who wish to join our Northern States Alliance. That is provided they fill out their NSA-CA-IR6a-1-2 form correctly, submit in triplicate, receive their return NSA-CA-IR6b-2-1 form from the Migration Approval Ministry, submit that form back to the immigration office NO LATER THAN 6PM six office days from the initial NSA-CA-IR6a-1-2 form disbursal (so, do fill it out right away because the mail takes a day or three both ways) and finish their NSA-CA-ES1842c-14-5 citizenship exam with a score of 90 per-cent or higher. You should study about the founding ministers of the NSA while you wait for your NSA-CA-IR6b-2-1 in the mail. Remember the hotels in the border zone are only open to citizens of NSA member states during times of war, so plan on bringing a tent but stay out of the designated no camping zones and the special espionage exclusion zones.
I don't mind.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Funk on October 14, 2023, 10:06:41 pm
The 11 page ! size disparity mighty just be the south haveing mass heat stroke...
But it will make your thread better reading later.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: Kot on October 15, 2023, 05:09:37 am
The lastest news from across the border are a clear sign of superiority of a well oiled bueraucratic machine created by, and for, the people! The Tyranny of Southern Star is already internally divided and breaking under the lightest of strains! They haven't even drawn up proper design documents and technical drawings in single copy, much less three, they're still out there drawing lines in the sand like some sort of primitives! It's like they haven't designed paper yet! Victory is a matter of formality at this point, we will be home by NSA-PH-XMs1225! All goyrl to the people of NSA! All goyrl to the War Council!

What? Yes, of course I have my public proclamation permission right here...
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: BBBence1111 on October 15, 2023, 08:02:37 am
I'm hearing tales of great chaos from down south, and thus I simply must join them
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Spring 1912
Post by: force200 on October 15, 2023, 01:57:10 pm
I'll be joining the sout as well.
Title: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on October 21, 2023, 09:29:41 pm
Greatest War Combat Report, Spring 1912

A cold winter broke into a mild spring as the armies of The Kingdom of the Southern Star and The Northern States Administration massed more and more forces along their respective borders with the demilitarized zone separating them. Grasses up to waist-height obscured vision from the ground, although some hills, the occasional tree, and a comrade's shoulders gave each side the ability to observe their opponent in action. Most of the soldiers lived in tents in the distance behind their dugouts and the occasional log wall. While certainly one of the most volatile borders in the world, defenses had been practically nonexistent until continental unrest gave both nations an excuse to raise more than just a scattered border guard. And besides, everyone knew The Kingdom was biding it's time while The Administration was busy debating and discussing the terms and precise wording for their declaration of war against the South.

Originally introduced in August 1909 in the 24th Meeting of the Board of Labor and Employment, the Workers Against Regents Act was pushed forward which listed grievances laborers had with what little interaction they had with Southern workers and materials. As the conveniently named WAR Act made its way through every committee possible it was altered further with additional grievances until a tome as tall as a man was dropped before The King in December 1911. For the next three months The King crafted a response addressing each grievance, turning this book of grudges into what many in the future would cite as the inspiration for all future diss tracks.


Private Wojtek had climbed into a tree overnight for his shift on watch the next morning. It was one of the tallest trees on the Southern line's West Flank and only a dozen meters from the line, making it a large target but also a convenient natural observation point. This wasn't Wojtek's first time up The Tree, not even his first this week, but something about it felt different to him. The armorer and a Major he'd never seen handed him his freshly tuned Gryf's Szybki Rifle, his standard allotment of ammunition, and a marked magazine to use in the event that war finally broke out. This Pęknięcie Ammunition was experimental, and based on his test scores and evaluations Wojtek was chosen to test it in the field.

So when the sun started to rise, Wojtek was only mildly surprised to see shadows being cast across the dozen or so trails of crushed grass snaking across the demilitarized zone. He had to move some leaves out of his way to get a better view, managing to spot the Administration soldiers and call out in alarm just as they launched the sneak attack everyone saw coming years in advance. A couple Administration soldiers rolled into Southern dugouts wielding their rifles doubling as spears, the NSA-SR-12-3-5, ADM Index: 5N1 "Bunaiteach". Wojtek watched in horror as one of his countrymen was disemboweled before he could shoulder his weapon. Shouts, whistles, and gunfire erupted just in time to drown out the pained screams of the recently maimed, signalling to the Administration soldiers still in the grass that their best bet was to turn around and keep concealed in the grass. As quickly as the raid had started, the Administration sought to disengage, but Wojtek wasn't going to allow it. Gunfire going both ways passed beneath Wojtek's tree as he lined up his sight with the back of an Administration soldier trying to crawl back through the grass. The round struck the man in the leg and blew it off at the knee. Two more were doing a hunched run to put distance between them and the Kingdom line. Wojtek missed his first shot, blowing up soil behind his feet before another Southern soldier managed to put him down. Wojtek's next shot at the other fleeing soldier struck the base of his neck, popping his skull like a cork and sending it flying forward while the body dropped the moment it got it.

Wojtek would have vomited if he hadn't managed to take a round to the chest at that exact moment. He felt a lot of pain in his ribs as he hit every branch of the tree on the way down. It turned out that the North was also deploying soldiers with the NSA-LR-12-4-2, ADM Index: 5N2 "Banchéile". Soldiers armed with this rifle proved immediately highly effective at hitting what little they could see through the fields hiding behind cover or in a hole hundreds of meters away.

Over the next few weeks as tensions rose and the occasional exchange of gunfire rang out, Administrative rifles proved to be quite effective overall. It was clear where most melee engagements would fall, but another daring raid had yet to materialize after the first failed. Instead, the superior accuracy, power, and range of the Administration's weapons made up for a lower rate of fire as casualties ticked up more steadily for the Kingdom during these opening skirmishes. While the exploding bullets the South showed off were terrifying for anyone who heard about them, the rumors of their existence did more than the single magazine ever could. This first exchange seems to favor the Administration, but both sides have decided hold back from committing any further until they build up their forces some more.


In other news around the world, there was a failed expedition to one of the poles, a large ship carrying many people sank, and a pioneer of aviation passed away.


It is now the Design Phase. Return to your respective threads and continue your shenanigans there. Unless you want to talk some shit, that goes here.
TURNTURNTURN
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: BBBence1111 on October 21, 2023, 09:42:42 pm
Yes! Fear the single magazine of bullets we made!

Also, I'm sure Wojtek lived. He'll be back on his feet soon enough.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: IronyOwl on October 21, 2023, 09:51:32 pm
All soldiers are Wojtek deep down. Where one falls, another shall inherit his supply of bullets and determination to decapitate our foes!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Quarque on October 22, 2023, 12:59:54 am
We are all Wojtek.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Kot on October 22, 2023, 03:37:55 am
This is horrible. You're doing Polish names and I'm not there to stop you from mangling them (which you have already managed to).
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 22, 2023, 07:55:51 am
MoP has used abbr to provide equipment descriptions. You won't see them on mobile browsers, so I've extracted them for anyone who (like me) read this thread on their phone and missed the descriptions. I would suggest future BRs include a spoiler with the new equipment descriptions at the bottom (just copies of the abbr ones) for the benefit of mobile readers.   
[/abbr=A self-loading 105cm long, 3.3kg rifle firing 9.5x35mmR rounds from a tube magazine with a 10+1 capacity. Captured gas is used to cycle the weapon, and the system can be disconnected in the event of a malfunction to allow manual bolt action operation. Tangent sights match the rifle's 600m effective range, and mild recoil provides an improved ability to maintain accuracy with a higher rate of fire. Comes with a 50cm bayonet.]Gryf's Szybki Rifle[/abbr]

[/abbr=Spitzer-shaped bullets with copper jackets that carry a small payload of mercury fulminate. Tip of the bullet houses a spring and rod assembly that that strikes the fulminate to detonate it. Rounds detonate shortly after striking targets, causing some explosive damage, fragmentation of the copper jacket, and a slight chance of collateral injuries. Some might say slightly over-engineered.]Pęknięcie Ammunition[/abbr]

[/abbr=A 110cm long, 3.8kg straight-pull bolt action rifle firing 7.5x55mm copper jacketed spitzer rounds from a six-round magazine reloaded through charging clips or individual bullets. Tangent sights rest at 50m and are marked every 100m out to 1000m. Has an effective range of 800m. Reliable. Comes with a cleaning kit and 600mm sword bayonet sporting a 450mm double-edged straight blade. Comes with a belt sheathe. White beech and blued steel along with a nearly flush magazine provide a slick appearance.]NSA-SR-12-3-5, ADM Index: 5N1 "Bunaiteach"[/abbr]

[/abbr=Bunis modified for range with a 5x scope mounted 45 degrees off the centerline, a bipod, a muzzle break, and comfortable padding. Scope is adjusted via screws, marked for 100m-1000m, and have a small silhouette for a human at 100m and 500m. The scope provides the weapon (but not the human) a 1300m effective range.]NSA-LR-12-4-2, ADM Index: 5N2 "Banchéile"[/abbr]
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2023, 08:00:05 am
Behold, the generic rifles with similar specs. The only difference is range apparently. And giant spear blade.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Quarque on October 22, 2023, 08:40:06 am
Behold, the generic rifles with similar specs. The only difference is range apparently. And giant spear blade.
I can't imagine the shame of being beaten by generic rifles. :-[
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on October 22, 2023, 08:47:23 am
read this thread on their phone and missed the descriptions. I would suggest future BRs include a spoiler with the new equipment descriptions at the bottom (just copies of the abbr ones) for the benefit of mobile readers.

Huh, I didn’t notice that before. But then I don’t see it used too often and it’s not something I’ve looked for on my phone. I’ll be sure to do the spoiler for people using the small magic boxes.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: NUKE9.13 on October 22, 2023, 09:18:28 am
Behold, the generic rifles with similar specs. The only difference is range apparently. And giant spear blade.
If by this you mean to compare our two rifles, of course they're similar, one is a revision of the other, we couldn't exactly make something completely different in a revision.
If instead you meant to compare the service rifles of north and south, that's absurd. One is semi-automatic, one is bolt-action. One uses pistol rounds, I think? Also, both have bayonets of comparable size.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: TricMagic on October 22, 2023, 09:38:26 am
Behold, the generic rifles with similar specs. The only difference is range apparently. And giant spear blade.
If by this you mean to compare our two rifles, of course they're similar, one is a revision of the other, we couldn't exactly make something completely different in a revision.
If instead you meant to compare the service rifles of north and south, that's absurd. One is semi-automatic, one is bolt-action. One uses pistol rounds, I think? Also, both have bayonets of comparable size.
In the south, the main argument was the traditional gun, and the crazier options that didn't use gunpowder. It was the crux of the arguments.

While one can see that the two guns of our sides are different, their basic principle is standard gunpowder and bayonet. So generic options fitting WW1 tech in real life.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Kot on October 22, 2023, 10:01:44 am
I'll do my best to convince my team to vote for a design which utilizes laser propulsion to throw little pixies fitted with solar sail parachutes and suicide vests next time, just so you don't get too bored and drop out of the game prematurely.
Speaking of suicide vests - I assume, based on the exploding mercury bullet thing, that asking people around about places called Hague or Geneva will only get me puzzled looks?
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on October 22, 2023, 10:17:30 am
Are those, like, a pastry?
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: IronyOwl on October 22, 2023, 04:48:04 pm
I'll do my best to convince my team to vote for a design which utilizes laser propulsion to throw little pixies fitted with solar sail parachutes and suicide vests next time, just so you don't get too bored and drop out of the game prematurely.
Idea stolen. You will rue granting your foes the methods of your own destruction!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Maxim_inc on October 22, 2023, 05:37:44 pm
I'll do my best to convince my team to vote for a design which utilizes laser propulsion to throw little pixies fitted with solar sail parachutes and suicide vests next time, just so you don't get too bored and drop out of the game prematurely.
Idea stolen. You will rue granting your foes the methods of your own destruction!

The worst part is he's serious.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Quarque on October 22, 2023, 05:58:25 pm
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here. This is the war room!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Kot on October 22, 2023, 05:59:29 pm
Then this is shaping up to be the fastest Arms Race finished by one side actually winning.
I'm sure at least some of you will be able to make a decent case for insanity at your crimes against humanity trial after the war but even then you'll probably die of old age while waiting for the sentencing.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Vivalas on November 03, 2023, 06:01:41 pm
Green and blue fighting over north and south in the early modern period? Hmm...

Well I'll go green for the North if joining is still permitted :)
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on November 03, 2023, 06:19:45 pm
Always looking for more meat to throw into the grinder.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Kot on January 10, 2024, 03:51:29 am
Personally I count this as another notch in my Arms Race victory belt.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: Man of Paper on January 10, 2024, 02:18:00 pm
Hey, as long as the W doesn't go to tric and maxim!
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: FallacyofUrist on January 10, 2024, 08:37:37 pm
Personally I count this as another notch in my Arms Race victory belt.
You can take it, I cannot imagine trying to duel the other players in my faction for influence for any longer.

My headcanon is that our entire royal palace got destroyed by a rogue invention in the middle of a spirited 'debate'.
Title: Re: Greatest War Arms Race (CORE THREAD) - Summer 1912
Post by: TricMagic on January 10, 2024, 08:44:30 pm
Personally I count this as another notch in my Arms Race victory belt.
You can take it, I cannot imagine trying to duel the other players in my faction for influence for any longer.

My headcanon is that our entire royal palace got destroyed by a rogue invention in the middle of a spirited 'debate'.
Was probably a water elevator.