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Dwarf Fortress => DF Adventure Mode Discussion => Topic started by: Rob Allen on December 19, 2007, 02:55:00 am

Title: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Rob Allen on December 19, 2007, 02:55:00 am
Are whips any good?  I seem to remember in the last version I played I could never make them very useful.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Capntastic on December 19, 2007, 03:03:00 am
They do a lot of painful damage, but not much actual killing unless you get lucky and tear out some body parts.   Which is realistic.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Rob Allen on December 19, 2007, 03:20:00 am
Hmm, so more of a secondary weapon then?  Hmmm... Might want to try some 2-weapon combos...  Stick a sword in em, let it go and then whip em until they die.  Meh, I think I'll just stick to wrestling for causing pain.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Dae on December 19, 2007, 06:33:00 am
It's a shame wa can't fight with an axe in one hand and a hammer in the other one.
Would be great.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on December 23, 2007, 11:03:00 am
I was kinda thinking....  turns out we CAN fight with, say, and axe and a hammer. And, unlike fighting with two hammers, or maces, it actually has a purpose.

If one of your weapons gets stuck while you're fighting a mob of opponents, and the opponent in whom the weapon is stuck passes out, you can resume bashing others without spending a turn to retrieve the weapon. Not much of a reason to carry around extra weight, but it will let your axeman counterstrike against a lot of opponents easier, worrying less about one of the weapons getting stuck.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Nos3y on December 26, 2007, 02:43:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Capntastic:
<STRONG>They do a lot of painful damage, but not much actual killing unless you get lucky and tear out some body parts.   Which is realistic.</STRONG>

Little late on a response, but... They can do some very nasty damage...if thrown.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Red Jackard on December 26, 2007, 02:53:00 pm
Are there chain whips? Can adventurers go all Castlevania on enemies?
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 02, 2008, 07:59:00 am
Nos3y, everything does nasty damage if it's thrown.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Kagus on January 02, 2008, 01:13:00 pm
I find it strange that whips can only be made out of metal...  To me, a +Steel Whip+ just seems unorthodox.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Dark on January 02, 2008, 06:22:00 pm
Im using a whip right now and im shredding everything in this cave. I even managed to tear out the throat of a giant cave swallow and two or three times I managed to tear monster's brains.

Do whips still suck? Heres your answer:
:p

[ January 02, 2008: Message edited by: Dark ]

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Kagus on January 03, 2008, 02:22:00 am
Indiana Fruitchambers and the cave of beershrivel, the new action-packed movie!
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Rob Allen on January 03, 2008, 04:30:00 am
I guess skill and good craftsmanship can make a whip kick ass (or at least tear it off in a bloody arc).  Scourges seem to be interesting too, a bit more damage and still uses the lasher skill.

What they should do though is give whips a bonus to penetrating shield blocks.  In real life, that's the main advantage of a whip, it's very difficult to block with a shield.  In fact, many flexible weapons are designed that way, but because of the great length of the whip, it is the best at it.  Flails and Ball & chains have a similar advantage.  Chinese flexible swords could also do well around shields.

[ January 03, 2008: Message edited by: Rob Allen ]

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 03, 2008, 06:03:00 am
I made a lasher to test it out; he causes epic tearing. Behold, his exploits in a cave with iron armor and an iron whip:
 
quote:

You've been spotted!
The naked mole dog strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You miss The naked mole dog!
The naked mole dog charges at You!
The naked mole dog strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The naked mole dog collides with You!
The naked mole dog is knocked over and tumbles backward!
You lash The naked mole dog in the lower body with your Iron whip!
It is badly ripped!
The naked mole dog's pancreas has been torn!
You lash The naked mole dog in the upper body with your Iron whip!
It is broken!
The naked mole dog's liver has been broken!
You lash The naked mole dog in the upper body with your Iron whip!
It is torn into pieces!
The naked mole dog has been struck down.

~~Vs. Quest Minotaur~~

You begin sneaking.
The spinning vomit strikes The minotaur in the left hand!
It is battered!
The minotaur's left wrist has been sprained!
The minotaur's thumb, left hand has been badly bruised!
You've been spotted!
The minotaur charges at You!
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The minotaur collides with You!
You are knocked over!
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You lash The minotaur in the left upper leg with your Iron whip!
The shot glances away.
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You lash The minotaur in the head with your Iron whip!
It is torn!
The minotaur has been stunned!
The minotaur's right ear has been torn!
The minotaur's nose has been torn!
The minotaur's throat has been torn out!
The minotaur's brain has been torn!

The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You lash The minotaur in the left lower arm with your Iron whip!
It is torn!
You lash The minotaur in the left upper arm with your Iron whip!
The shot glances away.
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The minotaur is no longer stunned.
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You lash The minotaur in the head with your Iron whip!
The shot glances away.
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You lash The minotaur in the left upper arm with your Iron whip!
The shot glances away.
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
The minotaur strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
You counterstrike!
You lash The minotaur in the right lower leg with your Iron whip!
The shot glances away.
Balad Ikudsosad, minotaur has bled to death.


EDIT: Fixed badly formed code.

[ January 03, 2008: Message edited by: Pandarsenic ]

[ January 03, 2008: Message edited by: Pandarsenic ]

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Tayrin on January 03, 2008, 08:49:00 am
I don't have the logs to show this, but when I first played DF, I tried Adventurer mode before Fortress mode, and I created a Lasher. The second creature I ever fought was a dragon, as requested by a mayor.

Even though I was just beginning to learn as I played, and had no idea what it was actually like to face a dragon in DF, the whip lashed out both the dragon's eyes, causing the dragon to eventually bleed to death while I sat on it, attempting to choke it with my whip.

I think the only "injury" I sustained was just being "Tired", from trying to choke the dragon for so long. So, I got quite a good first impression of whips.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Dark on January 03, 2008, 02:53:00 pm
I really want a ≡Steel Scourge≡.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Kagus on January 03, 2008, 04:16:00 pm
http://www.bay12games.com/cgi-local/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=13&t=000180

Anyone?  Please?  I want to hear war stories.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Ostsol on January 03, 2008, 11:27:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>I find it strange that whips can only be made out of metal...  To me, a +Steel Whip+ just seems unorthodox.</STRONG>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_whip
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Kagus on January 04, 2008, 04:38:00 am
Yeah, but still...  Indy Jones didn't use one'a them.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Railick Stonemane on January 04, 2008, 04:36:00 pm
What about a whip sword that uses lashing and swords depending on how close you are to the attacker? Or chain sword, whatever you wanna call it :P That'd be >phat<   :roll:
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on January 04, 2008, 05:06:00 pm
Make the name "tipped whip" and you'll have "iron tipped whips" instead of iron ones. Not a lot more meaningful though..

Since most of everything is made out of just one, solid material in DF, I would have to presume that the "steel whip" might be a steel handle, with a length of steel cord attached. Or just wire. I don't know how would dwarves go around making steel cords though...

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: beorn080 on January 04, 2008, 05:42:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Serondal:
<STRONG>What about a whip sword that uses lashing and swords depending on how close you are to the attacker? Or chain sword, whatever you wanna call it :P That'd be >phat<    :roll:</STRONG>

You would be referring to swordchucks, I believe. The problem with those lies in the ease in which your own limbs can be chopped off.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Armok on January 04, 2008, 06:56:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Serondal:
<STRONG>What about a whip sword that uses lashing and swords depending on how close you are to the attacker? Or chain sword, whatever you wanna call it :P That'd be >phat<    :p
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Railick Stonemane on January 04, 2008, 07:07:00 pm
I'm talking about the kind of sword you see on Dead or Alive, the one woman uses a segmented sword that can either be used as a sword or can be released and used like a bladed whip.
Now adding cutting your own limbs off when using exotic weapons and having a critical fail would make the game just a slight bit more interesting than it already is : P Though most of my adventures end with having my head bit off by a pack of lions or something or wrestling a bat man for 2 hours trying to figure out how to choke him out.
Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Kagus on January 05, 2008, 01:27:00 am
It's called an Urumi or a Chuttuval, and it's and Indian weapon.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Urmi-Payattu.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/Kalari-Urumi.jpg)


Now stow any mention of weird Japanese video game fantasy weapons before I lash yer head off.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: DuncanFrost on January 05, 2008, 09:29:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Serondal:
[QB]I'm talking about the kind of sword you see on Dead or Alive,[QB]

Don't you mean Soul Calibur?
Anyway, i'm heading for the raws so I can mod in BURNING WHIPS OF AGONY.

Title: Re: Do whips still suck?
Post by: Dark on January 05, 2008, 08:24:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by DuncanFrost:
<STRONG>Anyway, i'm heading for the raws so I can mod in BURNING WHIPS OF AGONY.</STRONG>

Hell yeah.