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Dwarf Fortress => DF Adventure Mode Discussion => Topic started by: Sappho on August 02, 2007, 10:29:00 am

Title: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 02, 2007, 10:29:00 am
I know that adventurers can interact with objects in their own inventory but I've never been able to figure out how to get them to interact with objects on the ground.  Can an adventurer pull a lever in an abandoned fortress, triggering whatever it's hooked up to?
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: wallish on August 02, 2007, 11:22:00 am
I believe you use 'u' for 'use' on levers.
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 02, 2007, 11:28:00 am
Excellent.  I'm in the middle of creating an entire world full of fortresses specifically designed for adventurers to explore, and I wouldn't want my efforts wasted!
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Deathworks on August 02, 2007, 11:47:00 am
Hi!

But I am just wondering. The fortress is being kind of reconfigured during the change from fortress to adventure mode. I may be a worrywart, but isn't it likely for the levers to get disconnected in the process? I suggest you make some test run to make sure.

Deathworks

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 02, 2007, 11:48:00 am
That would make me very unhappy.  Does anyone know for sure, or will I have to do a test run?
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Toady One on August 02, 2007, 02:52:00 pm
The levels it comes up with in adv mode for old fortresses don't change how the levers work.
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 02, 2007, 07:11:00 pm
So if I make a maze based on pulling levers in DF mode, it will work as I intend for Adventure mode?

Excellent!  Thanks Toady!  :D

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: wallish on August 03, 2007, 09:52:00 pm
Oh I hope so.  I'm planning on making a gigantic tomb/crypt/labyrinth that has all sorts of traps.
"Whoops! I pulled the wrong lever and a floodgate popped up behind me blocking my exit.  And is that the sound of rushing water I hear from the corridor that just opened?"
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Deathworks on August 04, 2007, 07:20:00 am
Hi!

These thoughts, of course, make it interesting to exchange maps. I mean, you create a few fortresses with such traps and knacks, then save the map and make it available for others to explore. Of course, you do not give them the blue-prints of the fortresses :) :) :)

That could be quite neat.

Deathworks

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 04, 2007, 04:04:00 pm
I plan on doing this with the maps I'm making now.  I'll build a few fortress dungeons, mark their locations on the world map, and upload it for all to enjoy.  I want to see what stories people can come up with based on them as well.
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 10, 2007, 07:45:00 pm
New question on this project of mine: can adventurers open coffins?  As in, if I have a dwarf who has created an artifact buried in a tomb with all his stuff, will the adventurer be able to open the coffin and get out the artifact?  Or should I be sure not to create tombs for such dwarves if I want adventurers to be able to recover artifacts?
Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Angus the goblin killer. on August 10, 2007, 07:48:00 pm
I would ask if anyone can give a 101 lesson on adventure mode on basic thngs you can and can't do. Basicly what diffrences are there between what your dwarfs can do on fortress mode and what your adventure can do on adventure mode.

PS don't note the spelling, I know its wrong and I have no idea how you spell it,

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Grek on August 11, 2007, 03:27:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Sappho:
<STRONG>New question on this project of mine: can adventurers open coffins?  As in, if I have a dwarf who has created an artifact buried in a tomb with all his stuff, will the adventurer be able to open the coffin and get out the artifact?  Or should I be sure not to create tombs for such dwarves if I want adventurers to be able to recover artifacts?</STRONG>

The body will be in the tomb. You walk next to the coffin and press [g] to pick it up. The artifact is not in the coffin. When a dwarf with and artifact dies it becomes property of the fortress and will be strewn around like all the other items.

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Ravendas on August 12, 2007, 05:34:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Grek:
<STRONG>

The body will be in the tomb. You walk next to the coffin and press [g] to pick it up. The artifact is not in the coffin. When a dwarf with and artifact dies it becomes property of the fortress and will be strewn around like all the other items.</STRONG>


That is for generic burial receptacles. If you actually mark something as a tomb, and assign it to a dwarf before he dies, supposedly his possessions will be buried alongside him in his tomb. I haven't ever done this, but it's what others have told me.

If this is true, I wonder if those items will stay in that tomb, or if they will be scattered randomly like other items in a fortress, when explored by an adventurer later. Could be a pretty cool way to store treasure for adventurers if it works. Sappho should savescum a bit and try this out.

\/\/ He describes it well \/\/

[ August 12, 2007: Message edited by: Ravendas ]

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Deathworks on August 12, 2007, 06:44:00 am
Hi!

Okay, I have had my bitter experiences with designated tombs before, so here is what they act like in fortress mode:

The naked body is put inside the coffin.
All possessions are placed within the designated room, one item per tile.
Clothes will be put into cabinets if the tomb contains such. Note that for a fully clothed dwarf, you will need two cabinets for all their clothes.
I don't know about other items, but other containers like chests are probably also used if applicable.

After having that one experience, I ceased giving out tombs to everyone since I didn't have enough space and time.

Deathworks

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 12, 2007, 10:03:00 am
Well if no one else has tried it out, I guess I'll give it a shot.  I'll put my dwarves in tombs with their possessions, explore it in adventure mode, and see if everything is where I left it.  I hope so, it would help immensely with this project...

I only hope I have time to get this whole thing done before the next version comes out.  I've put soooo many hours of work into it, but it won't be compatible with the next version, and I'm pretty sure nobody is going to be playing with my old saved worlds when there's hot newness to check out!

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 12, 2007, 12:57:00 pm
Well isn't this interesting.........

I killed off the dwarf carrying Ostar Fikod, an artifact bed and watched the others carry her items and corpse to her tomb one by one.  Finally, only the bed was left.

And that was it.  Nobody came and got it.  Apparently the bed became fortress property and was not buried with my carpenter.

Can anyone confirm this?  If an artifact creator dies and has a tomb ready, is the artifact not buried with them?

Ugh, this is awful.  I thought I had finally figured out a way to do this...  Sunufabitch.

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Sappho on August 13, 2007, 12:25:00 pm
Alright, after many hours of work (most of them getting my adventuring character strong enough to take on the massive mob of troglodytes and trolls in my old fortress), I have learned some important things.  Maybe I'll add them to the wiki, if they're all not already there:

1. Definitely true that items in trade depots and stones, gems, and ore do not move when the fortress is shuffled.
2. Levers work as intended.  I drowned my character testing this.
3. Doors that were locked when the fortress was abandoned remain so.  I assume this means that levers which have been pulled remain in the same position as well.
4. The cabinets in the tomb were moved a couple of squares, but still contained all the clothing and remained in the tomb itself.  The other furniture in the tomb stayed where I put it, including the artifact bed, which I built inside the tomb.  I'm still not sure if all artifacts become property of the fortress when the creator dies, or if it's only furniture items.  Toady?

I didn't see any of the masses of food or drink that I had left in stockpiles.  I also did not see any of the skulls or leather that I had left in stockpiles.  Basically, with the exception of the items in the tomb, the minerals, and the trinkets in the trade depot, I did not find any of my items.  I did not explore the entire fortress yet, however, so it may be the case that they are simply hidden deeper in.  This particular fortress was filled with loads of strip mines (looking for iron which I never found), so there's a lot of area to cover.  If I have time I'll try to look through the whole thing.

Is there any new information here?  I hope this helps someone other than me.  I only wish I could get dwarves to claim items other than their clothing so that I could make treasure tombs!

I have never started the economy, as there doesn't seem to be much good that comes of it.  Once you start the economy, do dwarves claim other items and keep them in their inventory?  If so, does anyone know if they end up in their tombs, or if they get reclaimed by the fortress when they die?

Title: Re: Can adventurers pull levers in fortresses?
Post by: Toady One on August 13, 2007, 01:14:00 pm
Dwarves can never own artifacts the way it is now, although I was going to change that later when I did other artifact interactions.  They can just become possessive of artifacts and seek to hold them.