84 * 4 = 336
When last I checked, there were 365 days in a year. Are dwarven years shorter or is the wiki wrong?
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Originally posted by Sowelu:
<STRONG>(Compared to real-world years) Dwarven years are shorter.</STRONG>
quote:
Originally posted by Sean Mirrsen:
<STRONG>Very fitting to dwarves, I must add.</STRONG>
You should both be ashamed of yourselves.
Now somebody has to add that to the front page of the Wiki.
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Originally posted by Fenrir:
<STRONG>Are the years shorter in DF or aren't they?!</STRONG>
YES.
People should start using metric time. 10 hours per day, 100 minutes per hour, 100 seconds per minute. Much easier to do math in. Since normally there's 86,400 seconds per day, but now we have 100,000, we simply account for this ratio: each metric second is 0.864 times as long as a normal second. Or each normal second is 1.15741. No more of this base 60/60/24 babylonian crud.
Kinda strange though. I'm clueless as far as the metric system for weights and measurements is concerned, and I have no luck with Celsius temperatures. I still think they're smarter than the systems I'm used to, however.
/rant.
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Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>Yes, but then we'd need to grow some extra fingers and toes.</STRONG>
Or find an alternate method of counting on fingers. Heck, when I was little I learned a method (think it was called Chisanbop or something weird like that) that lets you count from 0 to 9 on one hand, thus allowing you to use one hand per digit and count to 99 on your hands. Or 9999 if your feet are agile.
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While we're on the topic of time, has there ever been any discussion about a day/night cycle and perhaps lighthouses that can be built to illuminate areas?
I notice some creatures are nocturnal, but judging from the map, the fortress is a happening place, day or (lack of) night.
Example: lets say base 12 sconds, base 12 minutes, somehow. I say 34 minutes, how many seconds is it. 34 * 12 is not something I can do in my head. If under a base 10 time system though, I say 34 minutes, I say 3400 seconds, 0.34 hours, 0.034 days. Try 1342.56 minutes. I can say 1.34256 days, or 13.4256 hours, or 134256 seconds. Base 12 would be... egads, I am still not going to try. And I don't feel like trying in the 60:60:24 system either ^.^
Another point in favor: once you get into decimals of seconds, you use a base 10 system, because if you had to use fractions to do the math in our base 60, 60, 24 system, or even base 12, it would be really difficult.
[ March 12, 2008: Message edited by: Pickerel ]
0 - freezing
10 - cold
20 - cool
30 - warm
40 - hot
There you go. Freezing, Cold, Cool, Warm, Hot, starting at 0. Celsius is sooooo much easier then Fahrenheit.
AS FOR BINARY, Another lowdown!
Binary is base 2. We normally use base 10.
00, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19
That's base 10. Base two is...
00, 01
10, 11
There you go. Now, binary is stored in Bytes. Each Bytes has 8 bits. In laymens terms, the computer stored stuff in chunks of 8 digits.
00000000
So, how can you easily see what is being shown?
01001011
It's not easy to look at a huge stream of 1's and 0's and figure stuff out. So, it's split into two four-digit groups, called Nybbles. Nybbles, Bytes, get it? haha?
Anyway, split into two different groups of 4 digits.
0000
0000
Each group of four digits can count up to a max of 16.
0000 - 0
0001 - 1
0010 - 2
0011 - 3
0100 - 4
0101 - 5
0110 - 6
0111 - 7
1000 - 8
1001 - 9
1010 - 10
1011 - 11
1100 - 12
1101 - 13
1110 - 14
1111 - 15
Since we started at 0, thats 16 different possible numbers. Well, heck, lets just count in base 16! Base 16 is:
00, 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 0A, 0B, 0C, 0D, 0E, 0F
10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 1E, 1F
As you can see, the extra numbers are replaced with letters. Now we can represent bytes with two hex digits, like so.
FF = 1111, 1111
F0 = 1111, 0000
etc, etc.
NOW YOU KNOW!
(The same applies for base 8, but that's for 3 bits, 000)
Also, with a little practice anyone can learn their base-16 tables. Just remeber where your median values are. I mean if you remember that 04H*08H= 20H than it's easy to inferance that 04H*09H=24H. (1*9=9. 2*9=12. 3*9=1A, 4*9=24)
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Originally posted by Puzzlemaker:
<STRONG>Did someone say... Celsius?0 - freezing
10 - cold
20 - cool
30 - warm
40 - hotThere you go. Freezing, Cold, Cool, Warm, Hot, starting at 0. Celsius is sooooo much easier then Fahrenheit.
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You must live somewhere really warm to consider 68ºF cool and 86ºF merely warm.
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Originally posted by BurnedToast:
<STRONG>You must live somewhere really warm to consider 68ºF cool and 86ºF merely warm.</STRONG>
Ah, crap, my bad. I have a 25C in there usually that I like to use in my internal calculations, and it threw me off.
0 - freezing
10 - cold
20 - normal
30 - hot
100 - boiling
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Originally posted by Pickerel:
<STRONG>Example: lets say base 12 sconds, base 12 minutes, somehow. I say 34 minutes, how many seconds is it. 34 * 12 is not something I can do in my head. If under a base 10 time system though, I say 34 minutes, I say 3400 seconds, 0.34 hours, 0.034 days. Try 1342.56 minutes. I can say 1.34256 days, or 13.4256 hours, or 134256 seconds. Base 12 would be... egads, I am still not going to try. And I don't feel like trying in the 60:60:24 system either ^.^</STRONG>
Under base 12, 34 would be written 30. 3*12 + 0. 12-base 17 would be 12-base 15 (1*12 + 5). 10-base 10 and 11 would be marked by a single character, likely A and B. 6 + A = 14 (10-base: 6+10=12+4), 20 - 2 = 1A (24-2=12+10), 14+8 = 20 (12+4+8=24) etc. 20/2 = 10, 20/3 is 8, 20/4 = 6, etc.
10 is 12, 100 is 144, 1000 is 1728. 20736 12^5--248832, 12^6--2985984, 12^7=35831808
As far as your examples go...
First, how many seconds (12 seconds in a minute) are in 34 minutes? In base 12, 12 equals 10 and 34 equals 2*12+10 or 2A.
1 minute has 10 seconds. How many seconds are there in 2A minutes? 2A*10 = 2A0.
2A0 is 2*144 + 10*12 + 0, or 408.
Let's see if that's right: calculator says 12*34 is... 408! Conversions back into ten-base are tricky, but calculating in 12-base really is that easy.
Second, calculating 3400 in 10-base:
3400 - 1*1728 = 1672
1672 - 11*144 = 88
88 - 7*12 = 4
4 - 4*1 = 0
It's 1A74 in 12-base. Going through the above calculation in base-12 is easy:
1A74 - 1000 = A74
A74 - A00 = 74
74 - 70 = 4
4 - 4 = 0
10-base 0.34 would be... slightly over 12-base 0.4 which would be an exact 1/3.
Base-12 0.2 is 1/6, 0.3 is 1/4, 0.4 is 1/3 and 0.6 is 1/2.
I won't bother calculating Pi. :P
I'm not even sure why I did this, but you didn't even think your examples through. Base 12 will have problems with numbers that are easy in base 10 (like 10, 100, 1000) and with dividing by 5, but base 10 has problems with numbers that are easy in base 12 (like 12, 144, 1728) and with dividing by 3, 4 or 6.
Only someone who's done this will know what I'm talking about.
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Only someone who's done this will know what I'm talking about.
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Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>Show someone how proficient you are with binary numbers by counting to four on one hand, using the binary system.
Only someone who's done this will know what I'm talking about.</STRONG>
Yeah, I got in trouble in elementary school for binary counting to 132 in front of a teacher. That was actually how I found out that hand gestures can make people angry. My mom didn't punish me because I had no idea what it was, then she taught me so I would know not to do it again. Now I avoid counting to 132 at people unless I intend to be rude to them. :D