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Title: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: vagel7 on November 16, 2008, 09:12:35 am
how do i do this?

i try the bad guy,good guy method.

i beat the guy up with my lead interrigador without food or water and always in chains.then when i beated him for a long period of time i take out my founder,give the guy food/water take him out of chains and talk to him but he still stays firm.

how can i sucesfully interrogate?
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: Singularity on November 16, 2008, 10:44:46 am
I've been using only the founder to interrogate, and I have successfully converted a few people to sleepers in the last game I played.  However, my founder was, I believe, a mix of D and E options, so he had a fair amount of skill to begin with.  I also never resorted to beatings.  I had a lot of money last game, so I always used the props and the drugs, sometimes combined with sleep dep. and no food or water.  I find that if your founder / lead interrogator has high enough Heart or Charisma (not sure which), he'll console the automaton even while he subjects him to the drugs and lack of sleep.  This helps a lot, believe me. :)
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: mainiac on November 16, 2008, 11:35:42 am
In interrogation as it exists right now it's most important to 1) have high interrogation skill and 2) have stockholm syndrome happen.  Get the first by training your interrogator(s) up on weak conservatives such as janitors, extra sleepers is never a bad thing.  To get the second you need to give your good cop interrogator time with the conservative treating him relatively gentle i.e. no beating, no starvation or thirsting more then 2 days.

To see an exact method read the spoiler and take all the fun out of figuring the system out for yourself, completely unbalancing the game:
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Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: vagel7 on November 16, 2008, 11:49:25 am
i just found out a great way to interrogate,i dont use any chains or anything,have 1 man with me and i use drugs,give food/water and then just talk to him.i can normally manage it in about 4-13 days.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: E. Albright on November 16, 2008, 01:04:16 pm
No restraints substantially ups both suicide and escape risks.

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Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: vagel7 on November 16, 2008, 01:10:47 pm
i know but  my founder is a great interrogater and the guy is always on drugs.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: mainiac on November 16, 2008, 02:48:31 pm
It's very risky to not restrain a captive and it can actually hurt your speed since being too comfortable makes it easier for them to resist.  Even if your not beating, be a little rougher, it's possible to turn arch conservatives in a single day.  That should be your goal because it is awesome.  You want go start going easy on conservatives if they're in very poor health or are close to suicide.  Drugs IIRC are only useful for overcoming social skills.  If they don't have a social skill or your skill is higher in it, don't bother with drugs.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 16, 2008, 03:13:42 pm
The effect of drugs is more complicated, but the most potent effect is definitely stripping away their social defense, which normally would just require a high level of stress (or matching skill in the interrogation team) to overcome. One of the other things it will do is to make the experience more stressful, and increase the chance of either alienating and pleasing them, depending on what sort of hallucination you trigger. A good hallucination is more likely if they like the interrogator.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: vagel7 on November 17, 2008, 08:42:38 am
so i should but them in chains,not give them water/food and try to turn them?
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: mainiac on November 17, 2008, 09:34:43 am
I do that, but you should play around with the system to get a feel for it.  There's no one right way.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: beorn080 on November 17, 2008, 05:57:49 pm
Note that an interrogation based Founder actually sucks in the long term at interrogating. He starts with 2 intelligence and max interrogation is (charisma + intelligence) /2. My stratagem is leave the guy with someone who needs training in interogation for 4 or 5 days of no food, sleep, water, or light. Then bring in either the founder or a specially trained person with high interrogation for a couple days of talking unbound. If he escapes the police come if he doesn't he gets converted. Either way is  good for me.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 17, 2008, 07:25:04 pm
Note that an interrogation based Founder actually sucks in the long term at interrogating. He starts with 2 intelligence and max interrogation is (charisma + intelligence) /2.

Wow, this is practically a bug. I've been wanting to improve the intelligence scores of tracks D and E for awhile now, and this is just reinforces the need to do that. I have to give that guy more intelligence.

I like your strategy, by the way.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: Cosmonot on November 17, 2008, 11:41:25 pm
Note that an interrogation based Founder actually sucks in the long term at interrogating. He starts with 2 intelligence and max interrogation is (charisma + intelligence) /2.

Wow, this is practically a bug. I've been wanting to improve the intelligence scores of tracks D and E for awhile now, and this is just reinforces the need to do that. I have to give that guy more intelligence.

I like your strategy, by the way.

The entire founder generation setup needs work, frankly. There are a lot of choices that give you weak bonuses, or a weird mix of bonuses, like heart+interrogation and strength. I would probably give all the mutually exclusive choices equal attribute (not skill) bonuses, and try to make each choice give you bonuses in one general area rather than have odd mixes like Intelligence and Sword skill. There's nothing stopping the player from picking Intelligence in one question and Sword in the next if a well-rounded character is desired.
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: Jonathan S. Fox on November 18, 2008, 02:27:14 am
I'm actually redesigning the founder questions from the bottom up, and have been for the last few hours. Hopefully you'll be significantly more satisfied with the outcome. :)
Title: Re: how can i sucesfully get a sleeper by interrogading?
Post by: mainiac on November 18, 2008, 05:13:07 am
I disagree cosmonaught.  The bizzare match ups give your founder character.  In game skill gains are enough to make it so your starting stats aren't too vital anyway.