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Other Projects => Curses => Topic started by: Jetman123 on December 02, 2008, 09:41:25 am
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I just found out that if your leader is on death row, and you disband and then recreate the liberal crime squad, your leader is released from prison as if nothing had happened and in fact is not executed on the set date.
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Maybe your founder promised to be good this time and everyone within eight miles of the prison is an idiot.
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Maybe your founder promised to be good this time and everyone within eight miles of the prison is an idiot.
Only eight miles? Your speaking of the same version of America where people pledge their eternal loyalty to you because they had good sex after a trip to chucky cheese.
This is the same verson of America where the court system is based purely on rhetoric with no basis on evidence and often the weight of their crimes.
This is the same version of America where people read on the news about how a group of genocidal madmen have been killing doctors, policemen, old ladies, and actors and take it as a sign that they should throw away everything they believe in and sign up with the madmen's ways even though they are contradictory to their methods (unless it is the CCS)
Trust me, finding a mile where no one is stupid to the point where incest must be the national passtime is a miracle
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Well, I could see it be a 'feature'. Disbanding means that you are stopping terrorist activity because you believe you have 'won' the war. I don't like the idea of disbanding for 6 months only to resume terrorist activity (even though that what some terrorists like the ETA do on a regular basis)...but I wonder if you could choose to disband your squad permenatly in return for the government giving you leinancy (as part of a deal with terrorists). If you disband in this way, you would still have a chance to win via society turning L+, but it is rather unlikely.
This is the same version of America where people read on the news about how a group of genocidal madmen have been killing doctors, policemen, old ladies, and actors and take it as a sign that they should throw away everything they believe in and sign up with the madmen's ways even though they are contradictory to their methods (unless it is the CCS)
You aren't really convicing people to give up their old Conservative ideology much more as forcing these people to pay attention to Liberal Issues such as gun control, animal rights, and abortion. You are killing these civilians because they promote something that you feel is morally wrong. Many people will react with revulsion of the crimes you did, but if you get more and more people to talk about these issues and talk about why you did what you did, you have a chance of getting more people to turn Liberal. They hate your means, of course, but they do support the ends you are striving for.
"There will only be peace when there is no more injustice."
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That is what they want you to believe Servant Corps
however that doesn't explain why the Conservative Crime Squad is just as effective killing Liberals as you are killing conservatives when it comes to the issues.
LCS: "Ohh no some madmen are using guns we should ban it"
CCS: "Look the CCS are killing innocent people... Uhhh... we should have guns?"
Unless I guess the CCS is making people too afraid to go Liberal...
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Because the Conservative Crime Squad, when it attacks to change the views on gun control, is killing people who support gun control or try to enforce laws on illegal guns, in order to protect themselves against the Liberal Crime Squad and save those very Conservative people who are being killed.
I haven't said that the LCS' tactic works.
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Trust me, finding a mile where no one is stupid to the point where incest must be the national passtime is a miracle
One word. Arizona.
Just kidding, just kidding.
I think that a high writing skill (say, over 10) would let you influence what the normal papers write (with the percentage chance rising with how many people over 10, perhaps with added bonuses for every level over 10), so that they would paint the CCS as bad FOR you; and would cover up LCS hypocri- I mean, the Liberal Destruction of a Conservative Society.
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I think that a high writing skill (say, over 10) would let you influence what the normal papers write (with the percentage chance rising with how many people over 10, perhaps with added bonuses for every level over 10), so that they would paint the CCS as bad FOR you; and would cover up LCS hypocri- I mean, the Liberal Destruction of a Conservative Society.
How and why would the newspaper journalists change what they write because you have skilled writers working for you?
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I personally don't see why you cannot write very excellent articles and send them to the newspaper where they would judge if it is good enough to print or not.
I mean... you can do that in real life.
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Exactly as Neonivek says; if it's written well enough, they'll print it (unless they are incredibly conservative - but again, if you write something well enough, the conservatives might not notice before it's too late) - though it'd be better if there was some kind of building for the paper where Authors and Corporate Managers worked; so you could sleeper your way into making it more likely that an article will be published.
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I personally don't see why you cannot write very excellent articles and send them to the newspaper where they would judge if it is good enough to print or not.
I mean... you can do that in real life.
You can write editorials but those are quite different from articles.
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If you dress your press release up well enough they might just use that...
The DoD's done it a time or two.
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Or the LCS engages in Astoturfing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing), which I expect sleepers to do too.
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Perhaps sleeper editors could increase the chance your articles are accepted and left unedited.
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As far as newspaper reporting goes, they're going to use their own journalists to write the front page news. You can be an ace writer, but they don't care. They have a staff reporter on the job. If you have sleepers, that's different -- and indeed, journalist sleepers are among the more influential sleepers, though they don't currently affect the newspapers -- but simply writing good essays won't change the way they spin their reporting on the LCS or CCS.
Now, that doesn't mean you can't get your words into the papers. Already you can write letters to the editor, which essentially is a weaker form of writing for the Liberal Guardian. Your soapbox is less influential than when you have your own paper, but it's still there.
Eventually I'd like to have newspaper offices you can visit to offer interviews and hand over documents without needing the use of a printing press. Not printing it yourself would deprive you of any juice bonus and reputation for the Guardian, of course.
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I still remember that mafia game where buying all the newspapers is a HUGE advantage!
Of course you also could also kill reporters who write bad things about you
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You mean Italy? Bonus points if you get the reference.
I really like the idea of being able to give interviews and so forth -- but there'd always be the inherent risk of a Sneaky Conservative Ambush.
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I'm not so sure if this should be changed.
Altough all the news stories I have received of the CCS were postive (in that they protrayed the CCS as 'political activists' as opposed to EVIL RAMPAGING BABY-EATERS), if they were did turn negative, that would be a sure indication that the CCS has alienated the area, and that their raid actually had a negative effect on Conservative public opinon. At the same time, all the LCS raids are also protrayed postively, but if I accidently alienated moderates, then those stories would protray the LCS in a negative light, showcasing that the raid actually was counterproductive. The more conservatives I kill, the more people hate Liberalism, instead of how it usually works.
Having newspaper editor sleepers mess everything up basically means that me and the CCS can shoot anybody, Liberal and Conservative, and still get good press...even when they alienated everybody else. And besides, one of the good things about the Public Newspaper is that it's netural. I'd prefer it that way, a more accurate layout of the battleground is always useful to terrorists of all stripes.
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The point of writing articles is to alter the viewpoint of the audiance, not just to show the Liberal Crime Squad in possitive light.
A real life example is whenever a cop is killed by drug drug dealers you will sometimes see articles or comments that are along the lines of "That is why we should have legalised it". (of course neither the cops or the drug dealers want that to happen... but you get what I mean)
So articles could focus either on the issue, which is easier, or on showing the LCS in a better light, which is nearly impossible without sleepers.
The Media isn't as powerful in LCS as it probably should be... but that is alright...
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That's true you see comments like that, but I don't think you see the comments in the actual news article. The newspapers articles themselves have to at least PRETEND to be netural, as opposed to opinon pieces and 'analysis'. That's what I desire.
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That's true you see comments like that, but I don't think you see the comments in the actual news article. The newspapers articles themselves have to at least PRETEND to be netural, as opposed to opinon pieces and 'analysis'. That's what I desire.
Right, for example people say that the news is usually biased towards one political party but they never go out and say "Hey Mr. Politician is EVIL!!!" they just downplay faults of one party and play up the faults of another it can also prep the audiance to take
One interesting way news Media does play against one political party (usually on the internet though) is my making its header entirely innaccurate to the article. "Mr. President murders woman" when the inside may be about how he ate a turkey dinner.
Though there are exceptions. I've seen hillariously biased newspaper articles before (most were by guests) and WOW some of the readers ripped right into her!