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Other Projects => Curses => Topic started by: Servant Corps on December 13, 2008, 11:22:07 am
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Something that bothers me about the LCS.
For an organization that claims to support free speech, its killings of Conservative civilians such as janitors and Lab Techs and its tactic of brainwashing people to be sleepers, doesn't that seem to interefere with the Freedom of Speech?
Being coereced to believe in Liberalism, either due to fears of being starved to death or being shot to death, doesn't sound like 'freedom' to me.
EDIT: Of course, if this was intended, I salute you.
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You're forgetting what's happening during all those interrogations. The lead interrogator reveals the truth to them. They merely resist.
Conservatives don't believe in free speech. So killing them promotes it.
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That's the joke. That's also why they carry guns while fighting to ban them. It's a pastiche of real liberal terrorist and ecoterrorist groups like ALF and PeTA, who are quite given to hypocrisy and "it's only acceptable if we do it," justifications.
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I heard about a group somewhere that puts railroad spikes in trees that are to be cut down, and when the trees are being cut up at the sawmill, the blades hit them and blow apart, killing people.
But man, those trees. Gotta save them.
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It's a satire game. You expected it to make sense? :D
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This game should exclaim you're playing a TERRORIST organization. Not a liberal political party.
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Apperantly the Liberal Crime Squad was real... or so I hear
Of course they failed and were arrested almost as soon as they started :D
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It's just a mega-satire, both of actual liberal activists and of how conservatives perceive them.
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It's just a mega-satire, both of actual liberal activists and of how conservatives perceive them.
Oh... It couldn't be a NORMAL satire that would be too mundane...
No it had to be a MEGA satire. >:(
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What? I thought this was all real.
Are you telling me I shouldn't have just gone out and killed 3 people because they were conservative, indicated by their red clothing?
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Conservatives are indicated by red clothing? Up until now I've just been shooting everybody who isn't green...
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Conservatives are indicated by red clothing? Up until now I've just been shooting everybody who isn't green...
Well the training program we've been using has shown that people dressed in white are moderate, green is liberal, and red is conservative.
Other colors seem to be glitches.
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Their trained to wear red to confuse the communists!
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This game should exclaim you're playing a TERRORIST organization. Not a liberal political party.
As a player, you might think of the LCS as a terrorist organization. However, there are two reasons they are shown in the game as they are:
1) The game is from the standpoint of the LCS, which doesn't see itself as a terrorist organization, no matter how many terrorist acts they commit. No, they're freedom fighters! Remember, history is written by the victors.
2) The game allows many ways of playing. If you'd like, feel free to play as a group that never does more than civil disturbances, freeing caged animals, destoying liberal equipment, and publish a newspaper. If the LCS is a terrorist organization, it's only because YOU are playing them as such. They're your organization, and they kill on your orders. Feel free to rename your squad "Evil Liberal Terrorists". Or whatever you feel is fun.
EDIT: I just wanted to clairfy, I'm not trying to attack anyone, just enlighten them.
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This game should exclaim you're playing a TERRORIST organization. Not a liberal political party.
Do you expect EVERYTHING to explain itself to you? It's satire. The fact that the game claims it's a liberal political movement instead of a sociopathic terrorist group is half the point.
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Do you expect EVERYTHING to explain itself to you? It's satire. The fact that the game claims it's a liberal political movement instead of a sociopathic terrorist group is half the point.
I think he just phrased himself badly. If I'm not mistaken he meant 'What are you talking about? The game oozes irony and clearly shows that the LCS is a terrorist organization, not a truly liberal organization'
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Even if the LCS is not terroristic, in the sense that they are not using "terror" for political purposes, they usually still commit crimes. Freeing animals, sabatoge, graffti, brainwashing, and
leaking acquiring documents are all criminal activities, and the LCS is, in fact, a Crime Squad. Even Liberal Disobiedence can net you some felonies.
I have heard that it is possible to win the game just by writing, so I'll need to test to see if merely recruiting writers and having fundraisers to pay for the Liberal Guardian would change society. I highly doubt it though. Without special issues (and the crimes needed to get them), your Liberal Guardian would never be able to counteract Conservative Media bias.
(EDIT: I just realized that it might be okay to 'leak' documents, but you still need to acquire those documents, either using sleepers, hacking, or outright robery. I'm sure all those things are criminal activities.)
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Even if the LCS is not terroristic, in the sense that they are not using "terror" for political purposes, they usually still commit crimes. Freeing animals, sabatoge, graffti, brainwashing, and leaking documents are all criminal activities, and the LCS is, in fact, a Crime Squad. Even Liberal Disobiedence can net you some felonies.
I have heard that it is possible to win the game just by writing, so I'll need to test to see if merely recruiting writers and having fundraisers to pay for the Liberal Guardian would change society. I highly doubt it though. Without special issues (and the crimes needed to get them), your Liberal Guardian would never be able to counteract Conservative Media bias.
IIRC, the liberal guardian is equal to conservative media in power with a high skilled liberal. This would fight them to a standstill, but you would need something else to push public opinion towards liberalism.
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I'll then use community service then to do the push. Safest and most legal method there is.
The main problem is managing recruits to ensure you have as much men as possible...while ensuring that at the same time, you don't die due to old age. Should I use an earlier version of LCS that had the "infinite sweatshop workers" cheat? On second thought, nope. Hiring illegal aliens is also a criminal activity.
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Even if the LCS is not terroristic, in the sense that they are not using "terror" for political purposes, they usually still commit crimes. Freeing animals, sabatoge, graffti, brainwashing, and leaking documents are all criminal activities, and the LCS is, in fact, a Crime Squad. Even Liberal Disobiedence can net you some felonies.
I have heard that it is possible to win the game just by writing, so I'll need to test to see if merely recruiting writers and having fundraisers to pay for the Liberal Guardian would change society. I highly doubt it though. Without special issues (and the crimes needed to get them), your Liberal Guardian would never be able to counteract Conservative Media bias.
IIRC, the liberal guardian is equal to conservative media in power with a high skilled liberal. This would fight them to a standstill, but you would need something else to push public opinion towards liberalism.
If you had multiple people writing for the Liberal Guardian, would that be enough of a push, or does that not make a difference? ???
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I think the more you have, the more they equalize the conservative media. On their own they are pretty powerless in 'shifting' the country, but if you perform on-site actions, you can get massive PR points.
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Even if the LCS is not terroristic, in the sense that they are not using "terror" for political purposes, they usually still commit crimes. Freeing animals, sabatoge, graffti, brainwashing, and leaking acquiring documents are all criminal activities, and the LCS is, in fact, a Crime Squad. Even Liberal Disobiedence can net you some felonies.
I have heard that it is possible to win the game just by writing, so I'll need to test to see if merely recruiting writers and having fundraisers to pay for the Liberal Guardian would change society. I highly doubt it though. Without special issues (and the crimes needed to get them), your Liberal Guardian would never be able to counteract Conservative Media bias.
Just finished a 30-year Liberalization with 0 crimes committed. I recruited 6 sleepers, seduced 5 more, let them recruit as many as they pleased (total recruits numbered 74 in 2037; 2 died of old age), then sold art and tee shirts with my lonely founder 'til I could afford a printing press to start the Guardian. In retrospect, I suspect I could have stuck to letters to the editor, but the Guardian might have sped things up very slightly or helped protect me early on when the country was leaning Arch-Conservative.
To my mild amusement, I passed 3 or 4 Elite Liberal Amendments, because we had a Liberal President re-elected when the Congress completely flipped, so he kept replacing retiring LE Justices with Liberal ones.
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Thanks Ealb. Hm. In the future, I strongly suspect such pacifisit runs to be made a tad harder...
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Oh, it wasn't easy. At one point maybe 3-5 years in the House was C+, the Senate barely holding onto C, the Pres C, and all the issues split between C and C+ except lonely moderate Free Speech.
It was like any successful run under the current model. Tough early on, but once you clear a certain critical mass, almost inevitable so long as you keep doing what you're doing, and at the very end the good was the enemy of the perfect. Only difference was that I took 2-3 times as long as a violent run, and spent all my time holding down "w" for 30 days then mucking about in the sleeper screen instead of hitting "w" once then mucking about on-site every day. :P
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So it was quicker from a Real-Time prospecive?
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Hard to say. I suspect not, but maybe. It's been a while since I've done a full game with normal violence levels. I'm not sure I've played one to completion since before the L-to-L+ Congressional bug was fixed a version or two ago, so the last "normal" game I finished took longer from both a real-time and in-game perspective. I will say it was probably more tedious, though, because there was very little variety in what I was doing. But that's relative.