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Dwarf Fortress => DF Suggestions => Topic started by: DonerKebab on April 17, 2008, 09:01:00 pm

Title: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: DonerKebab on April 17, 2008, 09:01:00 pm
It would be cool to have Dwarf Musicians that play music in-game that the player can hear.  This could entertain and give good thoughts to the other dwarves.  The higher their skill the more songs available.  They could use different instruments etc.
Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Capntastic on April 17, 2008, 09:09:00 pm
Music and dwarf instruments are discussed constantly, as recent as three days ago.
Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: DonerKebab on April 17, 2008, 09:42:00 pm
Oh wow, I guess we're not supposed to talk about it then.  I did search the dev pages and didn't find anything.  Looks like I ran into the forum cops.  You know, the best way to kill a thread is simply not to respond.
Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Othob Rithol on April 17, 2008, 10:08:00 pm
I'll support your idea if you can tell me where I can get one of your namesakes in the US.
Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Capntastic on April 17, 2008, 11:53:00 pm
Yeah, we can talk about it, but why not keep the discussion of the topic in one thread instead of posting another thread and ignoring the discussion of others?  I'm not trying to kill your thread, I'm trying to point you to a discussion of the topic already in progress so you can better contribute to it.   No need to get snarky.
Anyways, from the dev notes:  

Core21, SOUND, (Future): Make all music/sounds optional, in groups. More songs (possibly seasonal), incidental music (like spotting the first kobold in a cave, etc.), various combat type sounds and ambient sounds, pleasing interface clicks.

Musical Instruments:  Perhaps in certain contexts the player might play notes on an instrument. These could be played through the speakers for added effect... will have to look into it.

[ April 18, 2008: Message edited by: Capntastic ]

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Capntastic on April 17, 2008, 11:57:00 pm
Quote is not edit!

[ April 18, 2008: Message edited by: Capntastic ]

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: DonerKebab on April 18, 2008, 09:25:00 am
For the record, I don't see how those dev notes link the playing of music to actual dwarves, which was my idea.

Truly Mediterranean in SF has an excellent Shawerma.  That is as close as I have come.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Capntastic on April 18, 2008, 11:10:00 am
I'll give you that, but it has been brought up in previous threads.

And for the record, a kebab shop opened up near my house 6 months ago and it's nothing but bliss.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Draco18s on April 18, 2008, 01:04:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Capntastic:
<STRONG>Quote is not edit!</STRONG>

No it is not.  Alas, the number of times I've done that.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Othob Rithol on April 19, 2008, 02:50:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by DonerKebab:
<STRONG>
Truly Mediterranean in SF has an excellent Shawerma.  That is as close as I have come.</STRONG>

quote:
Originally posted by Capntastic:
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And for the record, a kebab shop opened up near my house 6 months ago and it's nothing but bliss.</STRONG>

Damn you both to hell. It's been FIVE YEARS since I've had one. I have to make do with gyros from second generation greek immigrants...which is about as close as potato chips are to tacos.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Kagus on April 19, 2008, 03:31:00 am
Back in Vegas, we just make 'em...  It's not like it's that hard, provided you've actually got (the space for) an outside grill.  Put some stuff on a stick and roast it.

I suppose that might be a bit harder in an apartment complex, but Mrs. Taylor really didn't need that daisy flowerbox anyways.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Othob Rithol on April 19, 2008, 06:19:00 am
I think I could get into the idea of having 3 or 4 dwarves have a jam session in the Dining Hall. It'd be nice if you could designate a specific area for them to play.

Good/Bad thoughts depending upon performance quality (modified by skill and item quality).

Someone did mention random music in a recent thread. (I think the one Capn linked)

Kagus - not quite the same thing. We made shish kebabs on the grill last week. What I'm/We're talking about is: this, which I think is best served like this. Except get rid of the tomato, and make the cabbage red.

I got addicted to those when I was studying in Mainz.

[ April 19, 2008: Message edited by: Othob Rithol ]

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Mikademus on April 19, 2008, 07:03:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by DonerKebab:
<STRONG>Oh wow, I guess we're not supposed to talk about it then.  I did search the dev pages and didn't find anything.  Looks like I ran into the forum cops.  You know, the best way to kill a thread is simply not to respond.</STRONG>

This forum is overflowing with new threads, drowning all suggestions, good and bad. Therefore, it is for your benefit as well to locate and reuse the already existing threads since it makes your ideas more likely to survive. Also, notice the rules stated in no uncertain terms above the thread list.

Also, continue and building on existing discussion is better for ensuring conceptual quality than constantly restarting new ones.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Kagus on April 19, 2008, 07:58:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Othob Rithol:
<STRONG>Kagus - not quite the same thing. We made shish kebabs on the grill last week. What I'm/We're talking about is: this, which I think is best served like this. Except get rid of the tomato, and make the cabbage red.

I got addicted to those when I was studying in Mainz.

[ April 19, 2008: Message edited by: Othob Rithol ]</STRONG>



Ahhh, okay.  Yeah, that'd be slightly different.  

I'm sure you could just google for restaurants that serve them.  Hell, there's probably a discussion forum centered around good places to get it.  I mean, if there's a photograph archive of moist towelettes, there's gotta be a kebab forum.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Mikademus on April 19, 2008, 11:19:00 am
quote:
Originally posted by Kagus:
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Ahhh, okay.  Yeah, that'd be slightly different.  

I'm sure you could just google for restaurants that serve them.  Hell, there's probably a discussion forum centered around good places to get it.  I mean, if there's a photograph archive of moist towelettes, there's gotta be a kebab forum.</STRONG>


It seems that we use the word "kebab" differently in different regions of the world. In Europe, a kebab is a plate of grilled meat shavings usually served with chips/fries (a shish kebab or just "kebab") or in bread (döner kebab). The original (turkish?) meaning of shish kebab, though, simply means "grilled lamb", and that is probably how you use the word.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Kagus on April 19, 2008, 11:57:00 am
Yeah.  Eating it off of the stick is essentially just a harkening to the old days when they figured out they could roast stuff by putting it on a stick, and then didn't to take the stick back out before eating what they'd roasted.

I thought I'd read somewhere that "shish" meant "sheep" in Persian, but Someone else said that it meant something different (something which I currently do not remember).  Considering that someone else is Persian, his opinion in such matters has a bit of weight.


Of course, I've never actually had it with sheep.  Normally we make it up as a combo of mushrooms, bell peppers, cherry tomatoes (which I pick off, since I do not and never have cared for tomatoes), and sometimes tuna.

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Mikademus on April 19, 2008, 12:19:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>Of course, I've never actually had it with sheep.  Normally we make it up as a combo of mushrooms, bell peppers, cherry tomatoes (which I pick off, since I do not and never have cared for tomatoes), and sometimes tuna.</STRONG>

Hijacking and derailing this thread completely, that sounds utterly horrible to us Europeans! Well, ok, we do have some salad on the plate, and you can compose that anyway you wish, but to image we get is shaved beef strips mixed with tuna and paprikas!

The conventional way to serve it in Scandinavia is a pile if beef shavings drenched in a "white sause" (crème fraische and herbs), a garlic sause, or a hot tomato sauce ("red sauce"), or a highly sophisticated slop'em-on mixture of all three. Chips to the side, those too drenched in sauce optional but recommended. Salad on the side, generally left on the plate or eaten by those who wand to trick themselves into having had some kind of nutritionally correct intake.

(http://pappaj.blogg.se/images/blunch_1160051362.jpg)

[ April 19, 2008: Message edited by: Mikademus ]

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: DonerKebab on April 19, 2008, 02:08:00 pm
You are cracking me up Milka.  You just couldn't resist could you?  I did a little study on these things when I was in Paris.  Gyros (Sandwiche Grec), Chawerma (Chawarma or however they choose to spell it), Doner Kebab all seem to have similar roots.  One greek, one arab, one turk.  One interesting bit: I actually got a restauranteur in the quartier latin to admit that "all the bosses get together and set the price".  Most of the gyros stateside are sad sad sad made of some weird pressed meat block.
Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Mikademus on April 19, 2008, 02:17:00 pm
Yeah, Gyros are of Greek origin and very similar to kebab. However, here, gyros (or giros) are actual slabs of meat, generally pork, put on a spit and roasted, and served as cuttings rather than shavings, while kebabs are shavings from "trunks" of processed beef. Giros are generally served with a garlic sauce. Apparently, probably because tzatziki has garlic, every sauce with garlic is "greek"...
Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Dari on April 19, 2008, 04:02:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kagus:
Yeah.  Eating it off of the stick is essentially just a harkening to the old days when they figured out they could roast stuff by putting it on a stick, and then didn't to take the stick back out before eating what they'd roasted.

I thought I'd read somewhere that "shish" meant "sheep" in Persian, but Someone else said that it meant something different (something which I currently do not remember).  Considering that someone else is Persian, his opinion in such matters has a bit of weight.


Of course, I've never actually had it with sheep.  Normally we make it up as a combo of mushrooms, bell peppers,cherry tomatoes (which I pick off, since I do not and never have cared for tomatoes), and sometimes tuna.


Horrible things aren't they?

[ April 19, 2008: Message edited by: Dari ]

Title: Re: Dwarf Musicians
Post by: Derakon on April 19, 2008, 04:36:00 pm
quote:
Originally posted by Dari:
<STRONG>Horrible things aren't they?</STRONG>
I'll take yours if you don't want 'em.

Mind you, store-bought tomatoes tend to be hideous little things, since they're chosen for durability and color, not flavor. But a good fresh tomato is a wonderful thing.